spoiler-chat

[woeful patio]

Next week nintendo process warframe for having pets that can fight a

[wild wind]

isn't it more likely that'd be PETA or something

[zenith jacinth]

I grew up with nintendo I have a justified hatred

[woeful patio]

You know... Nintendo is the same company that process a guy bc he draw bowser......dong....

Right?

[zenith jacinth]

Nah peta doesn't sue they just make crappy bootlegs

[wild wind]

Hadn't heard that. 9/10 though when people say stuff like that, they're either wrong or something else is actually happening

[woeful patio]

They will make a campain against warframe bc we use stray dogs and kata cor war

[wild wind]

But this isn't the nintendo channel so I'll leave it there

[thick jolt]

On the other hand it's nintendo we are talking about

Uncle mario does like his lawyers

[zenith jacinth]

Nintendo is retroactively submitting patents to fight palworld

[thick jolt]

Lol

[woeful patio]

If they take amir from warframe

A wrath of amir fandom will be unleashed

Wich it scares me...

Alot.

[wild wind]

It's really unlikely

Not an expert but I've worked on audio recordings before

Most recording sessions are pretty quick, unless it's like book narration or a movie

Mario only has barks, so it'd be less than a day's work

[woeful patio]

Pokeball process.

If that was a thing

Taking amir for then bc he dub mario will also be a thing

Actually...i want to see this hell unleashed

[zenith jacinth]

Can't patent voice actors

[thick jolt]

Shhh don't give nintendo ideas

[woeful patio]

They tried to patent a gameplay resource that exist way before pokemon...

[zenith jacinth]

I think that'd violate some basic human rights

[thick jolt]

Kinda sad i can see them as the company that would try that

[woeful patio]

Human rights???? Nintendo???

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wheeze-gif-14488819

[wild wind]

fam

Are we going to talk about how slave labor makes iphones

[zenith jacinth]

It can stop them

[woeful patio]

Now i wanna stalk amir to hear him make ripoffmario noises

[uncut solar]

It didn't work out though

Their patent was rejected, quite obviously

[fringe pond]

Hey so uh
how many confession opportunities do i have for Eleanor?

Is it just the monster one?

[wild wind]

you can ask her out in person at any time

[fringe pond]

but you gotta confess feelings before you can bro

she's that kind of hex member

[royal fox]

shes really not

i got with her through askig

in oersin

[fringe pond]

Well
I don’t have that yet
But I was hoping to get a confess message in but I accidentally chose the wrong one because i thought it did something else >:(

[wild coral]

chat hear me out

we have void angel incarnon stufff right

what if we get devil themed upgrades for the stuff that didnt get an incarnon for devil's triad

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-atlas-atlas-prime-it's-peak-peak-gif-3220313257552045606

[south fable]

I finally got level 5 cavia

I get to hug the bird now, im making him look like a chicken, my baby

[rain otter]

You get to hug all 3 cavia

And they deserve it.

[south fable]

The animations… oh my god im sobbing, I will be drawing all of those scenes with my Oberon, the cuties

[hearty pendant]

a shame that we can't hug loid
though idk if he'd let us
prolly why we can't

[south fable]

Hed probably burst into tears

[wild wind]

or shoot you

[echo basalt]

yea dudes strapped

[flat loom]

Make sure you have quincy as a wingman, helps that much if you failed

Unless you block yourself entirely from romancing her

On an unrelated note, just realized the a lost time display picture frame reflects how you color your transference suit, neat detail

[solid otter]

I think he'd let us if we were the operator. Don't think he particularly needs a hug from drifter

[solid otter]

He does have a zylok prime. And its huge, but he wouldn't hurt a child.

[echo basalt]

given how he soumds during the begin of WITW yea dude would probably pop a cap in someones ass when push comes to shove

[solid otter]

He has done that, but he also is very much a soft person when it comes to kids. We know for sure that helped raise Euleria's, maybe even Euleria herself, partially. We can see his soft spot about it in the trailer for the old peace.

But he'd probably slap drifter if they tried to hug him

[echo basalt]

yea probably a back hand at that

[solid otter]

He probably learnt how to backhand folk from the orokin w their long arms

[tropic venture]

Loid presumably was around as the grandchildren grew up

[solid otter]

Oh no, he was, like. For sure. Son mentions being carried around on Loid's shoulders when he was younger

[tropic venture]

oh yeah true

[solid otter]

Personally that shit is so sweet. I like that they're continuing that trait of Loid's, that he has a soft spot for children, even when he's being screwed over

[fringe pond]

He is, but I told him it was good well lmao
Like I didn’t fail anything, just missed the opportunity to confess

[flat loom]

Can always confess via hollvania mall

[fringe pond]

Option hasn’t shown up yet

[flat loom]

Okay so work with me, when your confession dialogue for her appeared and missed it, what affection rank are you at currently

Close or bestfriends is I think the chemistry rank you need for the confession options to appear

[tropic venture]

Depends on who you wanna confess to

[flat loom]

They're asking for eleanor

So I'm answering with eleanor

[tropic venture]

ah right

[fierce kiln]

best friends is the requirement

should be for all who are romanceable

[thick jolt]

Some are earlier than others

[tropic venture]

No, some you can date earlier

[fierce kiln]

huh

[thick jolt]

Can't remember who tho

[flat loom]

You can confess on other hex members early

[thick jolt]

Maybe quincy and aoi?

[flat loom]

Like aoi

[fierce kiln]

wow the dementia is setting in ive only dated aoi

dementia at 19 🥹

[flat loom]

Aoi's the easiest to get along with. Eleanor, Arthur, and Lettie are the ones that need best friends with

[tropic venture]

Amir too IIRC.

tho maybe not as early as those two

[flat loom]

And yeah I think Quincy and Amir too for easy rank up

Quincy just flirts with you by default lol

[thick jolt]

I only vaguely remember from the patch notes that some you could romance earlier

[flat loom]

You're with Aoi man, quite understandable

She's like the most hex member anyone could vibe with, literally the wild princess of the group

[solid otter]

I never really liked Aoi

[flat loom]

Or whatever the term is

[solid otter]

Manic pixie girl. Eugh.

[thick jolt]

Fairly sure she mocks you if you try and treat her like that

[tropic venture]

I still have not dated anyone just cause I don't really want to

[solid otter]

Yeah, still doesn't mean she aint one

[tropic venture]

also have never reset them

[flat loom]

Hey man, even if I'm with Eleanor, I will not stand for Aoi slander

[solid otter]

She very much still is

Aoi is insufferable to me

[fierce kiln]

i assume you dislike amir then too

[flat loom]

Altho it would be crazy af if you do end up breaking both minerva and velimir, you get an option to date either of them lol screwed up

[solid otter]

Yeah, don't like him much either.

[flat loom]

Why do we hate them

[solid otter]

Just don't. I find them insufferable and annoying.

[flat loom]

Elaborate

pulling the drifter the therapist

[solid otter]

Too much all the time. Overstimulating.

Even their voices make me upset

[tropic venture]

I think they overplay the goofy personalities a bit to the point of almost feeling like satire rather than actual people

[fierce kiln]

so id be right to assume you have ordis turned off too

[uncut solar]

Manic Pixie Cephalon

[solid otter]

Aoi just feels shallow and undefined by her lack of actions, Amir feels like a dogwater attempt to show someone w Adhd

[flat loom]

So it seems liek the auditory experience itself is the cause of distress

[solid otter]

A lot of what we really know about Aoi comes from others

And i think it could just be done better

[fierce kiln]

havnt noticed the adhd connection yet

buz i can see it

[tropic venture]

He has chats directly talking about it

and those are pretty good don't get me wrong

but for the most part he feels like the stereotypical hyper speedy adhd charicature

[solid otter]

Thats the issue. Amir is supposed to have it, but like. As a person with it and who have lived with others with it, it feels like it was dumbed down to haha fast

[fierce kiln]

yup i got it myself and didnt notice and forgot lol

[tropic venture]

His chat about why he's so obsessed with Cephalons is very good, but yeah it feels more like they make his adhd out to be something for comedic relief

[flat loom]

Oof, okay that's the kicker right there

[fierce kiln]

his getting along with quincy arc is sweet

[solid otter]

And ignoring that it is something that should be handled seriously. They did good with Rell and his autism, even having the same sorta emotion cards i have, but like. Then you get to Amir and it feels lacklustre

[flat loom]

Not to try and put words in y'all mouths, but would you consider it as lazy writing at this point? Like, the dialogues themselves are like a joke?

[solid otter]

I got the deadly autism/adhd combo w a great helping of cptsd, maybe i was bound to not like them

[solid otter]

Yeah.

[fierce kiln]

i quite enjoyed them

[solid otter]

I find the writing for amir and Aoi feels shallow and incomplete

[fierce kiln]

maybe not being a marriage advisor but aside from them i liked it

[tropic venture]

in Amir's case yes, considering how many other cases there are of Warframe handling similar topics very well

[fierce kiln]

amirs whole gimmick was just put into spamming messages

[solid otter]

Feels like the standard dismissal of "adhd isn't a disability" all over again. Probably unintentional but it feels like it

[tropic venture]

it feels a bit like they wrote Amir starting from wanting a speedster person for Volt, rather than making him Volt to fit his personality, if that makes sense

[solid otter]

Like no real mention of executive dysfunction or any other struggles with ADHD

[tropic venture]

yeah I doubt there was any malicious intent on DE's part, but it's still unfortunate

[tropic venture]

Well his KIM chats do have that a bit, and some of them are very good, but others kinda sound more like the "bored child" personality

[flat loom]

I think y'all have great points and are very spot on, while some people enjoy them, it would be like they're incomplete writing for people who do experience those or people who understand what it's like to have them, for the lack of a better term, it almost feels like a disrespect

[tropic venture]

Yeah if anything the part that annoys me the most is the inconsistency, since some of his chats portray it very well

[fierce kiln]

the chats do way more personality building than any interaction outside of it

[solid otter]

Yeah, i am thankful for the chats, just. Some feel unfinished

Hopefully they add more with the triad

[flat loom]

I agree. Hopefully, future characters that touch on those topics get the consistency and respect that Rell did

[solid otter]

Though. I have my issues with the triad

[tropic venture]

As a whole Amir just feels like much worse representation of NPF than like Rell

[solid otter]

The triad feels like. Super random to do

[cerulean kiln]

Not really

[flat loom]

Makes you think how it'll fit the narrative considering we're going to tau, huh

[tropic venture]

yeah I feel like Protoframes as a concept have kinda lost their initial charm and appeal for me.

[solid otter]

I mean more from a writing perspective

They have a purpose but like

[fierce kiln]

more rell stuff seems always interesting

[tropic venture]

might just be the inevitable reduction of mystery but

[solid otter]

They just show up. "Oh entrati did the same shit again" and like. no mention of them.

[fierce kiln]

i found it rather random but after the descendia reveal im very hyped, both gameplay and lore wise

[solid otter]

Albrecht failing to mention the time he imprisoned a orokin cuz he didn't like him™

[tropic venture]

I just don't feel like the Triad being Protos seems to really be for a direct reason narratively, tho I should probably hold off on this until we actually play it

[fierce kiln]

albrecht doesnt mention anything thats not necessary for his plans tbh, if anything it fits that he hasnt mentioned stuff like that imo

[tropic venture]

and I still think Equinox would've fit way better as the nun of sol and lua archetype than Wisp

[solid otter]

Albrecht has weird priorities

Mention that he does drugs
Doesn't mention the triad

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, instead of calling it random before you have it should pass judgment after you get it

[tropic venture]

they just chose Wisp cause she's popular

[flat loom]

We're prolly missing a solid narrative reason as to why the protoframes are a thing now methinks

[fierce kiln]

TRUEEE

[cerulean kiln]

We haven’t got their lore to call it random yet

[tropic venture]

well we know why he made Protoframes in 1999

[flat loom]

Would be great if equinox is a surprise protoframe

[solid otter]

Homedawg he mentions that while getting high with Loid, he thought of the cavia. He felt the need to mention the fact loid got sick from it. He mentions weird shit

Weird priorities

[flat loom]

Hmh, made them as a diversion for wally boy

[tropic venture]

He was smoking a yaoi blunt

[tropic venture]

Made them to extract their DNA for the Vessels, and as a backup for the Chosen Operator in case they couldn't get normal Warframes into 1999

[fierce kiln]

ah fair in my mind i was seperating lore texts from what he says in cutscenes and stuff, as in what he directly tells the drifter

[solid otter]

Wisp doesn't even look like a nun. Ive always thought her helmet looks more like a hijab over a cowl tbh

[flat loom]

Makes you think about what he has in store for a final confrontation, or prolly not even final

[solid otter]

That was actually after he made them

We don't know why he did it originally, he just went to 1999. Loid pointed it out after

[tropic venture]

oh right

[solid otter]

"It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Grey Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents to Warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary... assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found."

[tropic venture]

Albrecht is very smart but I love that when faced with a metaphorically big threat his solution was literally big WarfrMes

[solid otter]

I mean

If your gun doesn't work, get bigger gun

[tropic venture]

it's like printing physically larger bills to combat an economic crisis

[cerulean kiln]

It worked didn’t it?

[tropic venture]

Well so far we haven't really gotten to see the Vessels in full use, we only just completed the Kalymos Sequence after all

until now they weren't fully operational

[solid otter]

The vessels won't probably be used, they're uncompleted.

[cerulean kiln]

Still have Wally emotional damage with it

[tropic venture]

They were uncompleted until the Kalymos Sequence was fulfilled

now they are fully operational

[cerulean kiln]

The missing piece was us considering Albrecht mentions assuming a chosen Operator could be found

[solid otter]

Hm. I assumed they were meaning how they were physically not finished 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Some were unfinished

But many were finished

Just without the person to use them

Albrecht should’ve just used transference tech is he stupid?

[tropic venture]

He might be!

[solid otter]

He probably wouldn't, he was scared of kuva lmao

[tropic venture]

Transference is not Continuity

[solid otter]

No, but imagine his thought process

Oh i might be the man in the wall. Better not transfer myself to something physically

[undone lodge]

“I might be the Man In the Wall, I should transfer myself to some random fish”

[cerulean kiln]

It could be because it is tech based on the man

Wally had the ability before we ever did

[flat loom]

Hopefully he does make big ass warframes

ADIS PILOTED A BIG SENTIENT MECH, WE SHOULD GET HUGE VERSIONS OF OUR FRAMES ROO

[cerulean kiln]

Vessel vs whatever Adis was using when?

[flat loom]

DE PLEASE

[tropic venture]

The Hunhullus

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah that

[flat loom]

That rolls off the tongue nicely ngl

Also wtf it's been 4months already since the hunhullus teaser, or literally the tease for the old peace??

[tropic venture]

yep

1999 is almost a year old soon

[flat loom]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-existential-existential-crisis-gif-22706230

[tropic venture]

meaning it's almost 2001, for better or worse

[flat loom]

Where'd all the time go

[balmy storm]

Into the loop

No idea if my math is right but the Hex should have lived through 13 loops (years) by the time 1999, the update is one year old

[reef compass]

so a little speculation: will we get mod system for Amps in Old Peace, or forward on Tau?

we have this military academy studying stuff, wonder if they will have research on implementing the mod segment with THE Tenno weapon

I dont know how strong our Amps were back when they released compared to the rest of our weapons/warframes, but I always wondered if we would ever be able to actually fight for ourselves on high level content (I know Madurai is a thing and stuff like that)

[balmy storm]

Iirc the tenno didn’t have amps back during the war
But we do know that the focus schools will each get an expansion, an ult for each

[Onkko bends down to retrieve from under the table a coffer, similar to the one uncovered in Saya's Vigil. He hefts it onto the table, rotates it to face the Tenno, and pushes it towards them. With his right hand, he unlocks it, and it opens to reveal a device, pink and beige, reminiscent of Sentient architecture – an amp.]

Onkko: "From memories of a past that has yet to be, the Unum knows you as a terror to the Eidolons. This has been waiting for you, to deliver upon them a terrible ruin."

[The Tenno approaches the table and reaches into the coffer with their right hand, and the amp attaches to their wrist. When they take their hand out to examine the amp, it glows briefly with Void energy. The Tenno flicks their wrist to set the amp in firing configuration, then flicks it back. Satisfied, they look back at Onkko.]

With amps being made of sentient parts I do kinda doubt the sentients would be chill with us using them, let alone improving upon them
Our exact history on when the tenno were in action during the Old War is somewhat hazy too, we know they were in cryosleep (the second dream), we know they weren’t during the Old Peace and after that it seems like they mostly went back to cryosleep, though the Lotus utilizes some seemingly awake tenno during the end of the Old War to blast Erra

[amber terrace]

Where was Hunhow during The Old Peace? I desperately want to see more of him

[wild wind]

I think they let slip that the Tauron Strikes are going to be tied to a relic/regalia of some kind

[balmy storm]

So an alternative to the amps maybev

[wild wind]

maybe!

I think it's you'll probably get one for a school of your choice during the quest and have to spend focus/Old Peace resources to buy the other four

[echo basalt]

ah shit not again

[flat tree]

Oops wrong dialogue option, pay 50 plat for Tauron Narmon

[hearty pendant]

kinda three options for that
locked into naramon, as that's what was already shown in the demo
whatever school you currently have equipped
whatever school was chosen in TSD
or ig you just pick one but that's basically the same as option 2

[tight pagoda]

If we're not locked into Naramon for the quest, I'm assuming the Tauron Strikes are all offensive attacks, since it seems there's a part in the quest where you need to use it to disable that big gun

Not sure how the Unairu hammer will reach it though

[obtuse gyro]

I think varzia has a line about amps

[balmy storm]

now that you say that it does sound vaguely familiar

[tight pagoda]

"Not looking to settle any old scores with your kind, Tenno. Working with Aya... I saw the way your amps carved people I loved in two. Don't think I didn't. But... we're all different people now."

[balmy storm]

I do still doubt they'd be used during the old peace specifically

[tight pagoda]

So this sounds like it's referring to the final revolt

[balmy storm]

so they at least had them during the fall of the empire

maybe it's partially due to the events of the old peace that we uncover void beam going through sentient = powerful?

[tight pagoda]

Unless Varzia had some people she knew on the rebellion side of the Old Peace

[balmy storm]

which, since the sentients are literally amping up our focus schools, I can see that happening later

[balmy storm]

I do think this line predates them thinking about that, but we never really know and could easily mean that instead if they want

[tight pagoda]

For the sake of gameplay I'm assuming we still get to use our Amps

[tight pagoda]

Oh certainly

[balmy storm]

sentient ideals amplify void powers?
maybe sentinet parts amplify voidy blasts!
totally what happened

[balmy storm]

at least for the replayable memory bath, it didnt look like the operator had one iirc during the demo

[tight pagoda]

Did Operator need it much? I think the combat was mostly just Excal Prime

[balmy storm]

it was yeah

they hop out once during combat for the big sword summon

and idr seeing an amp or anything similar

[tight pagoda]

Issue with amps is they can look clunky

So I totally get why they didn't want to have one equipped for the demo

I know they mentioned further amp customization in the future but I don't think that's coming with the Old Peace

[obtuse gyro]

I mean is that not how amps work lol

[flat tree]

I wonder how can we bring stuff from the old peace back into our reality?

[obtuse gyro]

sentient parts do amp void blasts

[balmy storm]

it is yeah lol

with the tauron expansion we just have another instance of sentient things amplifying tenno things

with tauron it was collaborative
with amps I somehow doubt the same is true

[balmy storm]

whatever resource we get will likely not be an actual physical one

[tight pagoda]

Will probably never get addressed but leading theories are that the Operator left the loot somewhere and Old Peace makes them remember they kept it in the origin system, so then they go to pick it up after each mission

[balmy storm]

to me I don't think this works, it relies on us not only taking those resources with us but also finding new hiding spots (and conviently not remembering the untold others)

[flat tree]

Yeah but can't have a content update without anything new in the foundry for it

[balmy storm]

it's like remembering getting a souvenir on vacation and remembering where you put it when you got home years later but multiple times for every memory of every souvenir

[flat tree]

But also how are the endless Tau missions going to work

We're going into memories, you can't alter a memory, we can relive it but unless its some lucid dream thing, everything should be set in stone

[balmy storm]

blueprints and stuff will come from the triad probably, not perita rebellion

[shadow forum]

So lotus left her hat at orbiter and she is in sanctum anatomica waiting and watching.

[flat tree]

that's just a lotus helmet

she got it back

[shadow forum]

Hm

[balmy storm]

for gameplay it may be a bit more of a lucid dream scenario, looking at what Drifter's doing I think that adds up

[shadow forum]

How much lotus does have control over the past and memories It's interesting and how operator has locked out his memories.

[balmy storm]

all resources from them being things we remember, a metaphysical resource, or knowledge that we trade with the triad for goods

[flat tree]

Alll she did was make the second dream, which protected Tenno of the memory and trauma of the night of the naga drums

The rest is we have amnesia from being asleep for so long

[balmy storm]

she doesn't have control of the memory nor did operator lock them away
the memories were locked away by a system from Margulis and the Lotus likely has the key

[shadow forum]

so that is why we will see the old peace

[balmy storm]

not quite, she wasn't around for the night of the naga drums
the trauma she protected the tenno from was the horrors of the zariman, with her tech being used to also seal away other memories like the Old Peace

[balmy storm]

cool memory bath time

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-alien-cat-noted-noting-this-down-glorp-noting-this-down-gif-9671578544383486034

My understanding grows

[tight pagoda]

"Oh right that's where I kept my 48,021 credits, 58 Dax Armor Scraps, rank 0 redirection mod and 45 Endo"

"Gee this is like the 50th bit of loose garbage here, I really should've just kept everything in the same place"

[balmy storm]

exactly lmao

[flat tree]

~~How do the acolytes get into a memory ~~

[shadow forum]

So operator will unlock the worst possible dreams of decisions that even drifter has been gone throught.

[tight pagoda]

Drifter hasn't gone through the Old Peace

If that's what you're talking about

[balmy storm]

we don't know if they'll be showing up there yet
and also they defy lore as is purely for gameplay so

[shadow forum]

Nah he was in the book of the duviri stuck and he is stuck in the ship thanks to the void powers and lotus hand.

[balmy storm]

Operator went to war and now is having to relive that trauma again
Drifter got stuck in a time loop with their old bestie being salty they grew up

[flat tree]

probably

they show up on almost every SP mission there is

and they're still butthurt on an event from almost a decade ago

[shadow forum]

With that character that says again with hands

[balmy storm]

Drifter wasn't literally in the book, they also didn't have any void powers until the New War

[shadow forum]

True

[balmy storm]

we don't know what kind of mission the perita rebellion will even be yet, we don't even know if they spawn in SP Descendia
which if they do, same issue as 1999
they exist there for gameplay reasons, not lore ones

the acolytes being ignored is sadly just there thing cause even the ayatan sculptures got an explaination for why they're in 1999 iirc

[flat tree]

I hope we'll get to see a more in depth look at what missions look like in the next devstream

I wonder how the anarchs will play

[balmy storm]

we don't even know what the acolytes are, we have theories, we maybe know more now that we know more about Stalker but
nothing concrete beyond their one event

[balmy storm]

its specifically about the perita rebellion so

it will cover everything they missed on the last stream (and likely somewhat recover what they showed last time)
oh and we'll be getting the release date

which they have some good options for

ig December 3rd is 10 years since the second dream?

so that's a really nice contender

I think 1999's release last year also had to do with 1999?

[shadow forum]

And the devils triad will appear as the past, looks like entrati has some issues with a past and present.

[wild wind]

They shouldn't spawn in Descendia since that's going to run on Circuit rules, basically

[echo basalt]

it was december 13 a day after the vga's

if memory serves

[tight pagoda]

Correct

Which was a Friday

So Ducky is probably thinking of the Doktor Friday connection there

[balmy storm]

Wait wdym circuit rules?

[wild wind]

It's run based and no Acolytes

AFAIK it's not going to have Duviri rules

[balmy storm]

It was that and the fact 1999 ends and begins on a Friday

Both the release date AND Albrecht’s alias are references to that

Which iirc it was also released on Friday the 13th
Also
13 + 12 - 2024 = 1999

[tight pagoda]

These are the same calculations Albrecht made in the Netracells

[balmy storm]

Pfft

[flat tree]

Stupid question but how the hell are Albrecht's labs so large

No way that man needed that much room for research and study 😭

[fringe pond]

The Entrati had a lot of stuff bro

[balmy storm]

Well we know he got lost so it’s not a new thing

He also def needed that much room, he was making vessels

It is weird cause uh
Deimos ain’t that big, big it def is bigger now that it’s a giant infested skull that’s exploding

[flat tree]

How did he even build all of that

to that kind of size, what did he use? The Void? Necramites?

[balmy storm]

Probably necramites, necramechs or a grineer work force
Or all 3

[uncut solar]

Then there's void taking over

[balmy storm]

The labs have areas for new necramechs to be made so it could just be a lab that can build new rooms on a whim

[uncut solar]

I imagine it would make things worse as well

[balmy storm]

Not the void but Wally

[uncut solar]

Oh yeah, we literally walk on him

[balmy storm]

And with how active it is it’s a more recent thing iirc, it caused issues in the past but I don’t believe it was like
Blowing walls and entire rooms away

[flat tree]

"Look Arb-265, I'm gonna need your work force to construct this same room, several times over, in multiple locations around this area with this very ornate staircase and railings and also add some of these computers too."

[uncut solar]

"we have a machine to press obols into our designs automatically but we decided to ask Grineer to do it manually"

[balmy storm]

Average Orokin demands

[flat tree]

"Oops you set this one up side down, you're gonna need to tear downt he entire thing and rebuild it, I know 300 of you died trying to sset up that tesla coil but it's nothing major."

[tight pagoda]

"Oh yeah and here build a giant portal that I can send a subway through occasionally"

[solid otter]

Its funny to think that he just accidentally killed a few grineer testing it

[warm anvil]

Out of every playthrough I've seen, that "trap" only hit me and like 1 other person. everyone else just either was walking super slow or went around lol

but it's timed perfectly if you are doing some fast movement in there

[warm anvil]

don't forget about the car tornado chamber

or the beam that kills you instantly or spawns a container

[solid otter]

Albrecht's cars in a jar™

[amber terrace]

Would it be funny or stupid to make a potential Nezha Protoframe aggressively blue collar?

[echo basalt]

nah it'd be funny

and just make him from warframe's equivalent to alberta

[solid otter]

Make that proto a giga old man who is like. Super mean.

[undone lodge]

I figured it was just like, they somehow discovered that sentient parts are good for it and just started experimenting with it and making amps for better study.

Like, they can presumably just make the parts on their own without making an actual guy, or just willingly donate and replace the lost parts.

[fierce kiln]

reb implied it, DE remembered they made eidolon shards give focus and how there was no lore reason given for it so they came up with the old peace and how caliban prime exists
internally they had planned that the story would move to tau, but the specifics of the tauron focus upgrades and adis were not written until recently

source from tennocon

[tame canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopCharacterDesigns/comments/1p4thyj/comment/nqe90nj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
warframe rep in the wild

[south fable]

So when does the man in the wall become romancable

[cerulean kiln]

2035

[uncut solar]

all so we could start a kim chat with him using "hey kiddo"

[solid otter]

How we gonna beat him fr

[uncut solar]

that scene in the anatomica was a tease to that

it makes sense, you beat the indiffirence with care

[tropic venture]

enemies to lovers arc trust

[solid otter]

We get loid and Albrecht together again and they go see the family and the pure amount of love and affection between the entrati family + loid will blast wally away

[tropic venture]

like that one panel from Way of the Househusband

[solid otter]

I hate that the family won't know of Loid's existence

Or learn he is alive

At least let him see the people he helped raise if he can't see Albrecht for lords sake 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Blame Belric and Rania

[solid otter]

And they can't do like. The comms that we see them use 😭 god DE please let Loid talk to Euleria and relate about missing Albrecht god please

[obtuse gyro]

but uh, void channeling through sentient bits to make amped pew pew has been in the lore since amps were released

[solid otter]

Actually. No. Bad idea. What if the Family won't remember what Loid looked like. Maybe them thinking Loid is dead, might be better than them thinking he is a stranger

[tropic venture]

There's also the risk of Wally going after the family directly if Loid connects with them

It's hard to say if contacting them would be beneficial, so it's better to hold off for now

[cerulean kiln]

He already knows the family are awake and is doing nothing except trolling them tbh

[solid otter]

Necraloid has been telling Loid about them

[fierce kiln]

i talked about eidolon shards turning into focus

[obtuse gyro]

yea but its in the general scope of sentient doohickey powering void doohackey

hell, theres also something funky going on regarding the eidolon step ephmera, which states that you walk with void energy

[tropic venture]

Sentients might be based on Void principles (at least for like the basic equations of how they work), with exposure to Void sorta overloading/short-circuiting them

like their Adaptation might have been developed using Void-based theories

[obtuse gyro]

what makes you think theyre based on void principles?

[tropic venture]

Just brainstorming regarding their apparent connection to Void as stated above

[obtuse gyro]

Im not squashing the idea, but I think we'd have enough to put some meat on those bones

[tropic venture]

Not really concrete theories or such

[obtuse gyro]

well storm it up then

[uncut solar]

Void resets their adaptation, that's one thing to note

[obtuse gyro]

now heres the kicker, why do you think it does that?

[tropic venture]

yeah my thoughts regarding why has always been that in attempting to Adapt to something as incomprehensible as Void their bodies start to just break down

[obtuse gyro]

My thoughts are that perhaps its like what happens when you run a real strong current through a hard drive

[tropic venture]

it's something their systems can't truly understand yet they keep trying since that's how they automatically work

[obtuse gyro]

its supposed to run on a lower current, but that much just wipes it

[uncut solar]

Also weirdly enough Radiation does extra damage to Sentients, but corpus hijacking their tech produces radiation damage

[zenith jacinth]

In small doses yes

I big doses it straight up atomizes them

[obtuse gyro]

Oooh how about this

the reason why void is deadly to the sentients AND YET we use their bones to channel void energies

[tropic venture]

tbh in a lot of cases Faction damage weaknesses/resistances aren't really a lore thing as they are for gameplay (ofc there are some logical things like Infested being weak to Heat and Slash but)

[obtuse gyro]

is not because the sentients are physically vulnerable to the void

at least not directly

But instead, the same function that sentients have that allows them to fragment apart

is where the damage takes place

[uncut solar]

I always just interpreted it like electricity. They just can conduct it and it won't be very comfortable for them

[zenith jacinth]

Very corrosive electricity

[obtuse gyro]

and so the sentient mental form takes a hit from the void

and it causes their physical form to follow suit

much like dna damage due to radiation

[uncut solar]

And having to adapt to it messes with them, because machines apparently suck with perceiving void

[tropic venture]

I still think Sentients should have actual faction weakness to Void damage

[uncut solar]

It's not a weakness, it's a ragebait

You use it to confuse and mess with them

When you need to adapt to your environmental threat and your environmental threat is quite literally the opposite of existence

[tropic venture]

Yeah that's kinda my line of thought above

Void is beyond what their adaptation systems can understand, but the systems still continuously attempt to adapt to it in vain, to the point of breaking apart

[uncut solar]

They adapt to the environment, they can "channel" it in a way, as a conductor

So you can use that for amps and whatever

[tropic venture]

yeah it does seem like Sentient tech can conduct Void, it just can't be done safely for actual Sentients

[uncut solar]

Unless they're hijacked/dead I guess

[tropic venture]

so the Sentients themselves might not be Void-based, but the scientific equations that were used to invent them might be based on Void-based theories

idk if that wording even makes sense but

[uncut solar]

"we made something that adapts to everything, but we didn't account for it adapting to nothing"

[tropic venture]

well the weakness to Void seems to have been intentional

as a fail-safe to ensure that if they rebelled they'd be crippled, and if they didn't then the Orokin could easily just get rid of them all once their use was exhausted

now what they did not anticipate is how easily the Sentients could just take control of the high-tech Orokin energy weapons

which is what led to the resurgence of ballistic firearms and archaic melee weapons we have in-game

it's cool to think about what the old advanced weapons were like

since we don't really see any of them in-game

Corpus weapons could maybe be similar, albeit much simpler

[solid otter]

Can't reproduce and make a threat if they become sterile from the void

[obtuse gyro]

which is why im saying what Im saying

I think the sentients dont count among the machines that cant see void things

I think by their very nature they must see it

but in the same vein it is their undoing

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf the sterilizing part is from them taking minimal possible exposure

[obtuse gyro]

In me head, void isnt nothing, its the unrealised potential to be anything

In me head, sentient adaptation isnt overcome by baffling sentient systems

its by running it real far back

reverting the specialisation of their "cells" back into the state of capable of being anything again

[sage cave]

So i ve finished 1999 and looped back and forth one thing i don t understand , is entrati dead or is he stuck in 1999 ?

[obtuse gyro]

neither

[sage cave]

So he exists and doesn t at the same time

[balmy storm]

Wdym exactly, their nature of being sentient?

[sage cave]

Can our drifter even get out of the loop ?

[hearty pendant]

he left 1999 shortly after shooting the drifter
"Tau is in sight" n all that

[balmy storm]

He escaped the loop

[balmy storm]

Yes, they get in and out via transference

[sage cave]

In game yea but in universe

Is he still in 1999 or in the.origin?

Or in duviri

[balmy storm]

We don’t know where he is

Likely heading to Tau, somehow

[obtuse gyro]

Orokin have one proven method of creating a lowercase sentient mind, which was taking a pre-existing mind.

Where then could they have turned to lay the grounds for an adaptive thinking machine race? Why are Sentients capable of projecting their selves into many pieces over great distance?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, Drifter can even take the Hex out of it

[sage cave]

So he s not in 1999 , finished the loop and left

[obtuse gyro]

Where did the sentients get their own framework to make a mind and why is that framework disrupted when exposed to the void

[balmy storm]

So due to making fragments, not being sentient?

[obtuse gyro]

Sandcastles return to the beach if they lose their structure

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter even says they might leave for a bit then return or something like that

[balmy storm]

Ok yeah so their physical structure being essentially reset, not them being sentient minds

[balmy storm]

Lettie gets really unhappy if they leave

Which i wonder if Drifter prefers to just stay in 1999 rather than sit in a void bubble watching the Operator
I mean
Probably, right?

[obtuse gyro]

nono

[balmy storm]

Pizza, pretty people, not being in the void
The techrot is weird but it can’t infect them
The only threat is Scaldra

[hearty pendant]

probably an occasional break to just watch for a bit

[obtuse gyro]

Sentient minds undone, physical body follows

[cerulean kiln]

Mine definitely does

[balmy storm]

So you’re saying that because they have sentient minds they can perceive the void, which is what undoes the body?

[obtuse gyro]

Im saying whatever framework gives them minds is why they have a weakness to the void

[sage cave]

My guess he either stays in the dormizone or in the ship , chillin with umbra

[obtuse gyro]

which results in physical symptom

[sage cave]

If he left he can be anywhere tbh

Until he ll be sent to french warframera of la cathedrale

[balmy storm]

I’m trying to understand cause if all that’s needed is a sentient mind then how does that perception actually work, cause Cy is a sentient mind and they struggle to perceive the void
And since sentients are, essentially robots then what do you think Lotus saw?

[balmy storm]

The xx99 exile seems to be a previous trip

[sage cave]

I d say the true nature of the man in the wall

[sage cave]

So it was french update and then 1999

[balmy storm]

Sorry that was for Bau
But maybe!

[sage cave]

It s ok ,i.m.also theorizing many things regarding the sentients

[balmy storm]

He went to xx99 and other 99s before 1999
More he’s likely in Tau

[obtuse gyro]

nonono

Cy is a human sentient mind

[jaunty hornet]

Hi

[uncut solar]

Power of entropy to loop it back around

[balmy storm]

Once he got to 1999 he actually went to 1998 at least iirc, maybe 97
Established a presence, worked with Scaldra, made the hex and the other protos, went back to the origin system at some point, started to make the vessels, left for 1999 one last time to protect Loid, made the loop and then we enter show up

[obtuse gyro]

but a construct version ripped off a human mind

[uncut solar]

That's a very nice take

[obtuse gyro]

but Sentient minds?

[uncut solar]

That actually fits

[obtuse gyro]

thems "natural"

thems grew

[balmy storm]

(He’s also likely looking through a camera but when the Orokin did that they saw nothing)

[balmy storm]

Truuue

Wait didn’t they have the weakness from the start?

[sage cave]

Ohh heck.we ll see him in tau then

[balmy storm]

Before they became sentient sentients?

[obtuse gyro]

yes! because thats how the structure of the minds were set

[balmy storm]

Next year, yes :D

[obtuse gyro]

Its not the sentient bit of Sentient minds that make it work

its what made Sentient minds sentient

[balmy storm]

Their weakness to the void is what caused them to become sentient

[hearty pendant]

-# they really picked one of the weirdest names for these damn robots

[sage cave]

I m waiting for.more drifter operator interactions

[balmy storm]

It’s an accurate name but terrible in conversation lol

[jaunty hornet]

Does anyone know the operator's email address?

[balmy storm]

Best we can offer is Operator War Trauma and Drifter goes to France

[balmy storm]

Everyone and Drifter actually

We get a lot of messages lol

[hearty pendant]

including wally
as he sent us mail through Evil Baro

[sage cave]

I think that what makes the sentients red compared to.blue is beacuse emotions ? I know that sounds lame

[balmy storm]

If that was him, I’m still not convinced it was Wally

[obtuse gyro]

yes yes yes!

[balmy storm]

It’s weird cause in the old peace demo it seems to be due to an override??

[obtuse gyro]

or rather its the other way around

the road that made them sentient is what makes them weak to void

[sage cave]

It s weird in the old peace all sentients were blue

[balmy storm]

Wait, so did they have the weakness from the start or no

[sage cave]

But in.the origin they re all red

[obtuse gyro]

sandcastles! You need water to make the sand dense enough to stick, but the waves can undo the castle

[balmy storm]

Friend :)

[obtuse gyro]

yes

[sage cave]

Sentient friend

But then they become red

All of them

[hearty pendant]

it all seems to match, except for the visual alterations. an odd guy regardless

[balmy storm]

I wanna make sure I’m getting the right
The water/waves is the void, the sand is the building blocks and the sandcastle is the sentient mind and structure?

[balmy storm]

The way he talks doesn’t really match entirely, he def knows of Wally
I gotta look at everything he said at once tbh

It is weird that that mod has baro laughter

[obtuse gyro]

yes yes yes

thats why sentient physical bits work with void bits, it has no issue channeling void

[balmy storm]

Too much water bad

So a void beam is basically drowning a sentient

Like a big one
Not the smaller ones

[hearty pendant]

the "childish bargains with yourself as the fear sets in" line from the first week, requiems from the third, and "rap. tap. tap." from the fourth that push it towards wally imo

• real baro having void drive issues during that time

ah wait requiems were also the fourth

[balmy storm]

I think i interpreted the rap tap tap as like
That’s something he heard, idk he probably he is and im overthinking it

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but it could be Baro having a version of the Drifter

[frank sleet]

yeah could be an eternalism doppelganger of baro

[balmy storm]

It can’t be though

Or or shouldn’t anyway

[tight pagoda]

I just don't see why Wally would ever sell things to us and not act maliciously for 4 whole weeks and not even call us kiddo or laugh demonically

[frank sleet]

why not

[hearty pendant]

the alternate version of baro would be weird, as they were already merged into one as part of his deal

[balmy storm]

The nature of that deal

[frank sleet]

true but wouldnt there still be a seperate baro who didnt take that deal

or does the deal itself counteract that

[balmy storm]

Unless making a deal with Wally always spawns another version of yourself

[balmy storm]

Depends, Operator and Drifter were split due to Wally’s whims, not their own

[tight pagoda]

What's the exact wording of Baro's deal? Or at least what he gave us?

[balmy storm]

If we operate under the logic that he decides, yes an alt Baro could exist

[hearty pendant]

"a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual."

[balmy storm]

Spooky Baro never calls himself Baro iirc either

[balmy storm]

I can absolutely see Wally saying “never said that individual would be you” to Ki’teer
And then he just leaves

The question is then why does making a deal with Wally do that, can he just not decide what to do and goes both

[tight pagoda]

Some of you may notice that Relays which were previously destroyed have miraculously reappeared intact. Conversely, other Relays have ceased to exist. No one said messing with Eternalism would be smooth and uncomplicated.

[balmy storm]

Another option is a ki’teer slipped through the cracks

[tight pagoda]

Interestingly this message poses a good question on the differences between universes and what was a constant and what variables became the "canon"

[cerulean kiln]

Or it is just Wally cuz there’s literally nobody else it could be because another Baro would be Wally breaking his own deal

[hearty pendant]

his emails all sign off with "Ki'Teer" rather than the full "Baro Ki'Teer", yeah

[tight pagoda]

We don't know the extent of Baro's deal with Wally. It might not be "hey little Dune, I can make it so all Baro Ki'Teer become one" but rather "I can give you the customers of all these other Baro"

And Baro just assumes it's all of them

Or some sort of wordplay like how we offer our light and the Wally seemingly accepted that as our innocence or whatever

[balmy storm]

Whatever Wally said this is what Baro thought/heard

[tight pagoda]

WAIT

As it happens, during my last foray into the Void, a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual. Of course, I shook hands on the deal immediately.

A "single perfect individual" and then maybe ones that aren't so perfect.

[balmy storm]

Or one

[frank sleet]

maybe im misunderstanding eternalism but isnt there an operator who doesnt take the deal and then just dies?

[cerulean kiln]

It would be breaking the deal on Wally’s end if there were other Baro

[balmy storm]

I mean

[cerulean kiln]

No?

[balmy storm]

No

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter also had a deal

[tight pagoda]

Well technically yes but that's not something we see

[balmy storm]

The other versions of ourself we see die took the deal too it looks like
That or Wally was collapsing things

[balmy storm]

It’s in the void so maybe not

[cerulean kiln]

I always saw it as him finding the version where we live

[balmy storm]

Wally’s choices seem to matter way more than ours in the void, at least when it comes to something as big as the deal

[balmy storm]

I can see that too

It’s a weird scene lol

[tight pagoda]

I'd love for any elaboration on that

Even acknowledgement tbh

A KIM chat or something

[balmy storm]

Hey Drifter
Talk about that to
Literally any of your friends

[cerulean kiln]

We might get one when we find the other side of the deal

[balmy storm]

Maybe

[tight pagoda]

Those were all the Operators who had "light" and ours and the Drifter didn't

Or something

[balmy storm]

Drifter didn’t get powers and wasn’t saved

At the very least our Operator got powers and was saved

Didn’t Wally say we had to really want it too?

I feel like that could imply our intent mattered

[hearty pendant]

"Time's up, kiddo. I can save them, all of them. But you have to want it... let's say we shake on it."
"But you have to want it" has the usual voidtongue distortion behind it

[balmy storm]

Maybe some level of CE is at play to make the deal happen?

[cerulean kiln]

"Time's up, kiddo. I can save them, all of them. But you have to want it... let's say we shake on it."

[hearty pendant]

hold on is conceptual embodiment just making a tulpa

[solid otter]

Patiently waiting to learn whatever the hell our light is

[solid otter]

Hold on gotta look up wtf this is rq

I suppose yeah

[cerulean kiln]

GITHLI, MIG. OTH RIS-HU.
(Welcome, newcomer. We give freely of our many lights.)

[solid otter]

That is spooky

Yk looking at it all

Wally is stupidly spooky why does he exist who hurt DE

[hearty pendant]

i'd assume so, though it could just be part of whatever wally is that let's him make deals like that
no one else has tried making weird deals in the void with a non-wally entity that we know of

[solid otter]

Well, only so many have even interacted or seen wally, let alone take a deal

[frank sleet]

isnt wally being able to interact with others relatively 'new' considering harrow was keeping him contained

[cerulean kiln]

UUKAREH, UUKAREH, BELIA VEH
(Eternal union, eternal union, I am your counterpart.)

[hearty pendant]

Rell was keeping him contained for a while, yeah
we took up the mantle to let Rell rest, though we haven't been doing the best job at it

[balmy storm]

We’re like
Really bad at it tbh

[cerulean kiln]

We’ve done a fine job at it tbh

[hearty pendant]

duality

[balmy storm]

He’s invading the labs, mom’s been doing more than we have, it’s only now that we’re taking a memory bath to find Albrecht??
Drifter’s done more tbh, saved 1999 and saved Duviri

[cerulean kiln]

We cut a strand of Khra
We gave Wally emotional damage
We kicked him out of Duviri
Where’s Rell doing that?

Consider the fact Wally was less active when Rell was doing it

[balmy storm]

Operator’s been slacking comparatively
Drifter’s done more
Whispers was either one

[cerulean kiln]

So comparably we’re doing a fine job

[balmy storm]

Yeah Balls opening that hole did not help

Like we’re doing okay given the circumstances but it’s still not great

[cerulean kiln]

Also that’s all Rell was doing
We had much more stuff to deal with than Rell

[balmy storm]

What’s even the plan rn
Go to 1999/Memory bath > Find Entrati > Tau > ??? > Stop(?) Wally

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure

[cerulean kiln]

We’re probably going to Tau to get Albrecht to deal with Wally

[balmy storm]

But why’s he going there

[cerulean kiln]

To run away from his mistake

[balmy storm]

I mean a potential answer is
Finger

Get the finger before Wally does

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht has a habit of running away from Wally

[balmy storm]

He does a lot of running but he’s also doing all of this to combat Wally

We just
Really do not know how

[hearty pendant]

his plan seems to be "trust me" and not elaborating

at least, not until that stage is done

[balmy storm]

Went to a bunch of 99s for some reason, ended up in 1999 for a reason, we don’t know, got distracted ig, made the protos, oh hey that can be used for big warframes, leaves for 1999 for the last time, suffers in a loop, we show up, take back the loop, he leaves after shooting us??? and oop turns out he wanted us to figure out love

[frank sleet]

is the finger not in his labs?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[balmy storm]

No, we don’t know where the original(s) are

Just that they’re “locked away” iirc

[zenith jacinth]

We know where they aren't

[balmy storm]

We know where one was

[zenith jacinth]

What

[balmy storm]

Scholar’s Landing

[zenith jacinth]

Did I miss smth

Wasn't that just where he hid the secret to their location

[balmy storm]

Isleweaver

[hearty pendant]

big finger statue(?) hanging in scholar's landing

[balmy storm]

Its def not the actual one or Wally would have grabbed it

[solid otter]

Explodes you

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

[balmy storm]

Maybe thats what it was
In which case we just still know nothing except where it isnt

The big finger in webs suggests otherwise but idr

[solid otter]

Go into the actual building of scholar's landing, the door area and look up. Rando finger

[hearty pendant]

statue feels like a weird word for it but its definitely a similar rock/sand/whatever texture that the rest of that island is made of

[balmy storm]

Either way we still don’t have an original finger

And all we know is that it’s bad if Wally gets one
Idek if we need it beyond making sure he doesn’t have it

[balmy storm]

Bone?

[hearty pendant]

maybe?

[solid otter]

I was doing isleweaver w a few mates for some lore stuff and i looked up to see the random ass finger lol

[frank sleet]

this is a somewhat basic questions but i've never understood why so many orokin look different from 'humans' like how ostrons look vs ballas

[balmy storm]

Whatever Wally’s dust is made of

[hearty pendant]

ig i'm doing an isleweaver run to go look at it rq lol

[solid otter]

They wanted to look fancy

[balmy storm]

Fashion

[balmy storm]

If you have the captura scene use that

[solid otter]

Orokin are human, but they like separating themselves to look more expensive or whatever.

[frank sleet]

right but ultimately theyre still 'human'

[solid otter]

Body modification

[solid otter]

Just as human as a dude with tattoos

[hearty pendant]

don't think i do
probably should've checked before though
meh

[balmy storm]

Welp, have fun :)

[balmy storm]

Yup! Just terrible

[frank sleet]

right yeah, i just find it confusing because the term human is never really used so it seemed to me like teshin and ballas were effectively different species

[balmy storm]

The Orokin are like billionaires or royalty

[balmy storm]

Nah same species
Though both aren’t “normal” humans, both are modified by Orokin tech
The Orokin for fashion and iirc longevity
And the Dax for being super soldiers

Which that’s likely how Teshin survived over a thousand years and didn’t die from Erra snapping him and falling into Duviri (he was also nursed back to health but I’m sure being modified helped)

[frank sleet]

ive also got another question, why are the sentients actually bad

besides erra siding with ballas and narmer clearly being evil, the original sentient war against the orokin seems to just be totally justified

[solid otter]

OH btw chat we kinda figured out what 2 of these things were. A vitruvian, and this thing

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Vitruvian

Gotta put that one there

[hearty pendant]

interesting
the uh. what is it called. related to ivara's leverian or something?

[solid otter]

I know it from the orokin archives thingy so

[balmy storm]

They killed innocents during the war, they’re justified in their rebellion just not how they went about it

[solid otter]

Yeah whatever it is 😭 gonna assume its for data storage

[balmy storm]

They kinda lumped all of humanity together and acted under that, the real and obvious issue was the Orokin who they were rightly unhappy with
They deserved their freedom and got it

[solid otter]

The vitruvian makes sense for Albrecht to own, probably the same one where the requiem logs presumably come from

[frank sleet]

ok that makes sense

[echo basalt]

There's a reason hunhow is referred to as racist space gramps

[cerulean kiln]

Teshin is also racist

He complains about who trained us

[undone lodge]

Could be different kinds of radiation?

[uncut solar]

Warframe radiation is the evil voices in your head radiation

[night grail]

Hi this is from yesterday but theres dialogue from varzia

I see I was beaten to the punch...

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-whispers-in-the-wall-tenno-entrati-1999-gif-16943765476869672917

[forest kiln]

Who exactly is albert entrati and how did he have kids so huge

[cerulean kiln]

He didn’t have giant kids
The Grey Strain made them giant flowers as it makes things grow

[forest kiln]

and is grandmother his wife? he seemed very romantic with loid tho

oh wait

[night grail]

No

[forest kiln]

its his mother

[night grail]

Grandmother is Vilcor's mother

[forest kiln]

hhhhh

[night grail]

Albrecht is Euleria's father

[forest kiln]

ohhhhhh

[night grail]

Separate sides

[forest kiln]

and was he some orokin? i dont get how the world went from 1999 to orokin. were therw orokin back then

[night grail]

All the events in Höllvania are basically preluding to the Orokin era

Techrot is the technocyte obviously

Scaldra ultimately ends up as what we know as the orokin

It's all there

[zenith jacinth]

No

Albrecht is orokin, there are no orokin in 1999

He travelled back in time

[uncut solar]

i keep forgetting that Dagath was Grandmother's name and see that position as her having relationship with a warframe

[undone lodge]

There was basically like, the beginnings of the group that would become the Orokin, basically these rich elites that control Scaldra

A bunch of incidents with Infestation, Radiation, and at some point presumably something with AI

And then at some point after, orokin

[solid otter]

He usually looked like this

Still a bit odd for an orokin

No long arm, no real modifications, actual hair that doesn't look like clay

[cerulean kiln]

Bluebrecht is ugly ngl

[solid otter]

Which... could come from DE being dogshit at textured hair like that for some reason

[solid otter]

More for me then

[frosty tulip]

Albrecht might not have been as vain as the others we see, or the long arm asymmetrical appearance could have been a status symbol for the Seven

[solid otter]

Nah, long arms existed in the entrati family. Albrecht just didn't have one

But he definitely aint as vain compared to others. Especially post void incident

[cerulean kiln]

Does Roathe have one?

[solid otter]

Nup

Its one of my gripes with his design.

[frosty tulip]

I haven't noticed the Entrati having long arms, well, apart from the infested growth spurt they all got

[cerulean kiln]

They visibly do

[solid otter]

Only vilcor (father) doesn't have one cus he got that arm cut off lol

Even the grandkids have em

[cerulean kiln]

Well other than him, yeah

[frosty tulip]

I'll have to pay more attention next time I'm in the necralisk.

[patent kiln]

How much longer do i have if i done the new war

[solid otter]

Vilcor try not to get mutilated by the women in his family challenge (impossible)

[cerulean kiln]

Here’s Mothers

[solid otter]

Wait nvm vilcor has the other arm removed

[patent kiln]

Bro looks mad for no reason

[solid otter]

She is very upset.

[frosty tulip]

Ah, so they do 😂

[patent kiln]

Whatd you do

[solid otter]

Mother is upset about her dad possibly being dead 😭

Or worse, he abandoned her (this is what happened but its safer for her)

[patent kiln]

Bros looking at you like allats your fault

[frosty tulip]

If I was any good at art I'd definitely draw an orokin policeman with he caption 'the long arm of the law'

[solid otter]

It... kinda is

[solid otter]

.... ight

Good thing im an artist

[patent kiln]

Bros the villain in ts

[cerulean kiln]

Father gave the weapon that cost him an arm

[patent kiln]

Reasonable tho never game me enough mother tokens

[solid otter]

And he told mother to move on. Then got stabbed for it.

[frosty tulip]

Was it a weapon? Or didn't mother slice him up with a seriglass shard?

[solid otter]

And he didn't do anything to mother after

[solid otter]

Daughter removed the arm

Mother stabbed him

[patent kiln]

Bro talk about a disfunctional family

[solid otter]

Orokin as a whole caste aren't functional

Its not something they do

[patent kiln]

Yea true

All they do is things that are terrible ideas

[cerulean kiln]

Grandmother damaged the Heart just to stop them arguing

[solid otter]

I mean, id say their dressing style goes hard

[patent kiln]

Bc if i aint mistalen orikan made lephantis the worm ting

[frosty tulip]

At least Suda isn't too bad from what we see, although she was just an Archimedian

[solid otter]

And their disregard for gender is based

[solid otter]

She wasn't a orokin iirc, just a Archimedian

[cerulean kiln]

“You are a waste and must be erased”

[solid otter]

Oh and the orokin hate ai

[patent kiln]

So do i

Biggest W of the game

[solid otter]

Cept they got around that by using slaves

So, its a win lose situation

[cerulean kiln]

They eventually created AI anyway so it isn’t a W

[solid otter]

True

[patent kiln]

At 9:30 am i gey to build protea prime just waiting on the parts

1 part to be specific

[solid otter]

Eh screw it we ball

[cerulean kiln]

Said AI started an Old War then came back for seconds with a new leader

[frosty tulip]

See, this whole ranking thing is a bit cloudy to me. Archimedians aren't orokin, but somehow the tenno are? (At least implied in the TWW when we take command of the Kuva sceptre to let Teshin kill the queen). Unless the tenno were made Orokin at the night of Naga drums before the massacre? Similar to Ordans offer

[solid otter]

And now Loid is just. Somehow content that the daughter of a prolific warlord is in his labs and calling to the terrifying murderous lovecraftian horror in the void

[cerulean kiln]

We just held the staff we aren’t Orokin

[patent kiln]

What the flip

[solid otter]

Its just the possession of kuva as a whole. Most orokin would've all gone through continuity.

[patent kiln]

What do i use kuva for bc its collecting dust in my inv

[cerulean kiln]

Rivens

[patent kiln]

Like the mods?

[frosty tulip]

So just by taking it from her we took away her power over him? Couldn't he kill her in his sleep then when she ain't holding it?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[solid otter]

An Orokin can be an Archimedian it seems, but a Archimedian aint always a orokin.

Albrecht probably is one, given he has Loid who is explicitly a Archimedian assistant

"He has" as if he owns loid lmao

[frosty tulip]

Yeah, you get to play rng by rolling stats on the riven mods

[patent kiln]

Those things are ragebait and a half

[solid otter]

Some can be stupidly broken. Sell for a lot too

[frosty tulip]

He probably did at one point before his encounter with he MiTW made him change his ways

[solid otter]

Nah, Loid was his lover before that, so probably not.

[patent kiln]

Is the 1999 quest main

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[solid otter]

I have a weird suspicion Loid had always held affection towards Albrecht, given the whole "so eager to please me on your first day" or whatever. Albrecht also was like. Not well liked as an orokin

[patent kiln]

I can feel it in my soul loid is gay

[solid otter]

Loid could've been the last choice

[solid otter]

... im gonna hold your hand here

[patent kiln]

Ok im listening

[solid otter]

he and Albrecht are gay

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht didn’t even know he loved Loid till he did

[solid otter]

I think Albrecht can't process his emotions well, especially when he's constantly running

[patent kiln]

I knew loid was too yappy about alberecht to be straight

[cerulean kiln]

He probably made Wally Indifferent

[solid otter]

Dawg have you seen loid? As someone said, he's a male version of bayonetta

He is ragingly queer

[patent kiln]

And not to mention he gave me a litteraly gave me a book as a weapom

That shoots lightning

[solid otter]

I mean, wally isn't indifferent to anything but the effects of his actions on others, which is inline with Albrecht

[solid otter]

Fun fact, the grimoires are all full of sad gay shit. Its peak. Wally mentions it. "Tortured love poetry"

[patent kiln]

So all the poetry is firing lightning at enemys🤣 😭

[solid otter]

Except, Albrecht has a reason to why he is "indifferent" in that way, wally is just acting the same way without the reasoning behind it. Like someone mimicking another

[cerulean kiln]

Mine isn’t

[solid otter]

Mine is, its full of all the alloid fanfic on ao3

Which... isn't a lot

For a canon ship, its really small

[cerulean kiln]

Mine is full of lore and a million ways to make an enemy

[patent kiln]

I crave a void relic mission

[solid otter]

I honestly need to print off some for my trip soon

[solid otter]

I aint paying for airline wifi and i aint risking my phone dying while im over 10 hours away from home

[patent kiln]

Also is there a tatsu prime for the big roadman katana

[solid otter]

So printing it is the choice

[cerulean kiln]

I’m only going to Tau to get Albrechts coat

[solid otter]

God i want that coat.

[patent kiln]

Printing is crazy

Why dont u just email it to the country u goin

Then log onto there email

[solid otter]

Im still gonna be in the same country

Australia is just massive lol

[patent kiln]

Ik i live is aus too its too hot and its the morning

The sun can like chill out we dont need this much sun we playin warframe not getting skin cancer

[solid otter]

Tf you doing up at 6am 😭

[patent kiln]

Im warframing it

Waiting for protea prime to build

[solid otter]

Real

[patent kiln]

All i need is to wait for the systems to build then wait 3 days in despair

The figure out mods like im a scientist

[zenith jacinth]

Well

[patent kiln]

Well

Well

[zenith jacinth]

Technocyte

[solid otter]

Yum techrot skin cancer

[patent kiln]

Digital cancer is mental

[zenith jacinth]

Technocyte isn't digital

[forest kiln]

How do they know about orokin then? Who made hex?

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht, albrecht

[forest kiln]

So he went back in time to make them to counter the nuke or make the nuke

[zenith jacinth]

...yes...

Kinda. Both?

[forest kiln]

So is 1999 the end of the normal world in that universe

[solid otter]

Hhh

The nuke wasn't organised by Albrecht, Albrecht just used it.

Its not supposed to go off as the techrot needs to expand out of hollvania for the radwars to happen

We don't fully know why Albrecht went to 1999 originally, as the idea of the vessels came after the protos were made

[forest kiln]

He made the protos right? Who were they originally? Some cops or something

[solid otter]

Some were soldiers, yes, others were war adjacent. And then you got Kaya, Flare and Amir

Who weren't apart of any military iirc

[forest kiln]

Where is hollvania located?

[cerulean kiln]

Somewhere

[forest kiln]

I really enjoyed the hex quest but the bike controls could have been better ngl. Also who was that woman in charge of that chemical mercenary group thing? Does she also time travel

[balmy storm]

The bike controls were worse, trust me

That woman is Neci Russalka, she led that mercenary group that’s actually a religious military group known as the Scaldra

No she cannot time travel, she let Wally in and he’s been puppeting her since, hollowing her out and it’s through his power that she can time travel (so it’s less her and more him)

[solid otter]

Europe, given the hex's and the Round table's ethnicities. (Thats the right word yeah?)

[forest kiln]

Isn't mag asian

[flat tree]

I mean its kind of obvious wally is at least doing something to her, she can shapeshift during the torture of albrecht and takes the form of Loid who she shouldn't even know exists

[forest kiln]

I'd say it does look like europe because of the architecture

[balmy storm]

They were sent there so idk if we can definitively say Europe based off them
But I think we can based off architecture iirc

[solid otter]

True

[forest kiln]

Hollars was a funny name for a currency

[balmy storm]

Yes, it is
But we didn’t know he was hollowing her out til the KIM message about it

[solid otter]

That interrogation cutscene was lowkey kinda funny

[patent kiln]

I wish in warframe clans could have wars and shii

Bc that would b cool

[balmy storm]

I think there was an old pvp clan gamemode

[forest kiln]

Hell nah I hate pvp

[solid otter]

The humble conclave:

[forest kiln]

Breeding ground for sweats

[balmy storm]

Dark sector I think?
Never played it, Warframe does very poorly with pvp anythings so.

[cerulean kiln]

There was an armistice so we can’t do it anymore

[balmy storm]

Not even just that, the game just is not built for it lol

[patent kiln]

Damn i wanted war in warframe

[balmy storm]

Pvp is basically cursed, every time they try to do something with it ends up being irrelevant

[patent kiln]

Is it that bad

[flat tree]

Kind of sad we don't get to see that much of ||real Neci's personality outside of being told of what it was||

[balmy storm]

Yup

[real niche]

If they're going to keep Conclave rewards locked like this then yeah

They should just give up and let you earn Conclave standing without PvP

[forest kiln]

Honestly it sucked ass trying to traverse through those tiny ass streets with those bike controls. Apart from that I still don't get how people do tricks and shit with the x drive thing. When I try to drive it it gets stuck in inclines.

I guess in the good ending the scaldra is finished?

[patent kiln]

They rlly took the war out of warframe its now battleframe

[flat tree]

The New WAR

[balmy storm]

We do actually, just not very much of it

[patent kiln]

That was 1 war

[balmy storm]

More of a one man coup

[patent kiln]

I wanted 20

I want war canpaigns

[cerulean kiln]

They should’ve just moved all the accessories in Conclave to SP instead

[balmy storm]

We’re constantly at war with and keeping the balance between all the factions pointing guns at eachother or us

[flat tree]

That's the grineer and corpus's job

[patent kiln]

Nah thats just tenno being bullies grineer are trash

[balmy storm]

If you want a war war, go look at the Old Peace demo then get back to us sometime next month

[flat tree]

The only time [iirc] we see her normally is a few times in|| isleweaver and also when she gets shot off the bike||

[balmy storm]

Nah that’s them keeping the balance before all the idiots of the system blow everyone else up

[flat tree]

Come on we get to see Viktor and his maniac ass why not Neci 😔

[cerulean kiln]

We took the War out of Warframe when the War ended

[balmy storm]

Yup. It’s not a lot but its somethin’

[patent kiln]

Nah tenno are the biggest instegators

[balmy storm]

They really aren’t

Lotus woke us up cause the system was in chaos

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas caused both Old and New War

[patent kiln]

No one liked him anyway

[balmy storm]

Half of what we do is just to keep things together

[balmy storm]

Not even his girlfriend, according to him

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas is also the reason the Orokin got killed

[patent kiln]

The other half is to loot bc im greedy

[patent kiln]

Nah even she left lol

[cerulean kiln]

She didn’t even leave him

Somehow

[balmy storm]

More like he let her die cause she was capable of loving adopted trauma children

[solid otter]

It takes some time to learn. Bike is for the street, not the underground parts

[balmy storm]

He could have voted for her to live, literally all he would have to do is say no let her live
Nope
Too petty
To the Jade Light she goes

[balmy storm]

It’s for really any big area or long stretch
So glad they let us use them in any mission :]

[patent kiln]

Have they ever added a santa warframe

[cerulean kiln]

I use them in underground though for fun

[forest kiln]

Yes the bike was getting stuck into cars because the steering is sensitive af

[cerulean kiln]

Grendel

[solid otter]

Also i think it's silly that Albrecht is directly responsible of having bikes that can just blow up

[balmy storm]

He added some crazy augments

[cerulean kiln]

Amir is just terrible on bikes

[solid otter]

I only really use the bike for the first entry part of 1999, yk where you get shot out after the loading screen?

[flat tree]

Grendel going up to a random Ostron kid and disposing the melting corpse of a Grineer beforee leaving

[balmy storm]

I like to think the Hex can summon their bikes with their keys, since when we summon them they appear with void energt

[balmy storm]

“Preznt :]”

[forest kiln]

I love the bike and I wanna. Use it more because it's rad but the controls are my only gripe

[cerulean kiln]

Bike is easy to use

[flat tree]

I use it to get across the orb valis

[solid otter]

Turn down sensitivity maybe? Idk i play warframe w a controller

[balmy storm]

The bike’s controls were awful during the demo

[flat tree]

K-Drives make me suffer

[forest kiln]

Iam so used to games like gta and stuff and it feels so alien driving iin this game

[balmy storm]

If they let us use secondaries on the bike k-drives would die out

[forest kiln]

I was bummed when I found out I couldn't

[flat tree]

Two hands on the wheel

[forest kiln]

It's not about realism when the game is about you controlling a metal human being with your mind

[cerulean kiln]

I swear the bike is the second fastest summonable transportation

[undone lodge]

Japanese (+I think Canadian?), she and the rest of the Hex were part of the ICR, basically this aid group that are like Warframe Earth’s equivalent to UN peacekeepers

Except for Eleanor, who was a journalist

[solid otter]

Peacekeepers? They aint so peaceful

[solid otter]

And Amir i think

[undone lodge]

And Amir, who worked at the power plant but got contacted by Entrati

[balmy storm]

Canata

[forest kiln]

I could have never guessed she was a journalist of all things

[undone lodge]

Japan also has a different name I’m pretty sure

[balmy storm]

And Flare and Kaya
Velimir and Minerva are military but I don’t think they’re in the aid group
Marie and Lyon def aren’t cause they’re from a whole other time period
And Roathe’s an Orokin

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I just know it’s different from Canata and that Canata isn’t a city in Warframe’s equivalent to Japan

[undone lodge]

They’re not in the aid group, I think it was that they like, snuck their way posing as for like an essential delivery thing? Or maybe just straight up smuggling

[astral hare]

I see conflicting information on guides related to the new war preparations, so I will ask here:

1. Is it second on last quest that locks you in the quest without ability to exit and go back to farming?
2. Do I need necromech and if yes, then how well modded?
3. How well modded and ewuipped do I need my railjack to be?

I feel confident in 30-40 lvl warframe missions and in ~30 lvl aircraft missions. My railjack struggle with first mission on Earth and I can do that only thanks to crew member dedicated to repairs.

[undone lodge]

And Flare came with their band to perform

[flat tree]

1. You can't leave the new war once you get in
2. You don't need one it gives you one automatically but you don't keep it
3. it buffs your railjack for the quest

But also the quest mostly has you using borrowed loadouts with minimal use of your main loadout until certain gameplay parts

And even then the enemies are like level 12

But make sure to play it with a good timeframe, its a 4-6 hour quest of a lot of shit

But it does save

[balmy storm]

Delivery and I think some smuggling, that’s why they have their wares

[undone lodge]

No I mean like, having themselves smuggled in

[astral hare]

If that's so, then can I finish all the quests in the game with quite basic gear and unlock steel path?

[balmy storm]

Oooh, yeah idr then

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[flat tree]

Depends

Some nodes in this game will beat yo ass 7 ways to sunday without at least a decent loadout

[balmy storm]

It will get harder as it goes on for sure so you’ll want to mod but you should be fine with cinematic quests like the new war

[balmy storm]

How many of those are non SP tho

[real niche]

I remember Disruption kicked me in good without half decent gear

Other than that everything else is pretty baby mode

[balmy storm]

I’d just make sure you don’t go in unmodded and that you mod in whatever way you want/helps

[flat tree]

Mainly high hp targets

[undone lodge]

So, funny story. Our cover identity was meant to be 'corporate sales reps'. So Minerva and I rock up in Höllvania with a ton of merchandise, pockets full of bribe money, replica Scaldra weapons in a hidden compartment in case a coup needs to go down, ya know, usual stuff. Then we got Infested, met Entrati, yada yada, corporate story goes out the window. So now I'm eating cold ravioli out of cans and sitting on a shipping container full of honestly kinda random stock. Ya know, I could cut you a deal if you're interested."

[flat tree]

ALSO WAIT

@astral hare its optional but it'd benefit the story greatly if you want to play with the Ropalyst