spoiler-chat

[undone leaf]

this room matches some of the description given on albrechts void portal lab

[sage cave]

Do we ever return to.the sanctum?

I mean 1999 is cool but i kinda wanna see if we come back to sanctum anatomica

[hearty pendant]

we're somewhat returning to the sanctum w/ the old peace
the memory pool/dark refractory is in there

[echo basalt]

also the triad's time portal

[flat tree]

3 separate hubs in the necralisk😭

[echo basalt]

yea shit is wild

[fringe pond]

It’s most likely a separate thing

[grave quiver]

huh wuh

[open vault]

Dont talk to me or my void demon son again

[balmy storm]

It is, it’s just another void portal

[balmy storm]

Not really returning, Old Peace is Operator’s side of things while Drifter is in 99
The Triad however are a return to the sanctum

[flat tree]

Go to necralisk
Go past mother
Go into operator
Go to loid door
Go into the basement
Enter Sanctum
Go down the stairs
Go past loid
Enter Triad portal
Triad

[balmy storm]

?

you don’t need to be your operator to go through the door as of whispers
I’m also unsure why you sent that lol

For us the players Old Peace is a return
For the tenno it’s in tandem with 1999
With the Triad being Drifter’s return as they’d have to go see the Triad

[flat tree]

The necralisk has 3 main hubs now
Uhhhh
I think I could've worded that better :(

[balmy storm]

It’s awesome :D

Though idk if we should call the triad a hub yet

They aren’t a syndicate, but we’ll find out more next devstream :)

[hearty pendant]

its like. 2.5
same way fortuna has fortuna, backroom, and the airlock

[balmy storm]

Ye

We need more Cetus love
They only got two syndicates ):

Ostron and Quills

[hearty pendant]

an opportunity for more unum lore

[balmy storm]

Real

She’d make a pretty good hub…

[pastel pasture]

new year. new attemptt at not messing up KIM chats. not gonna use a guide this attempt either but now i have META KNOWLEDGE

[rancid pilot]

speaking of that, is it possible that Old Peace and 1999 are happening somewhat concurrently?

[hearty pendant]

drifter is in 1999 while operator is reliving their memories, but the two did not actually happen at the same time

[balmy storm]

That is
What i said

It is in fact very possible and iirc what is happening
I recall the devs saying new players would get to choose after Lotus Eaters
It also wouldn’t make sense for Operator to just sit there doing nothing

[rancid pilot]

My bad I didn't see that

[tame canopy]

watching a wf video rn and it's a lil funny seeing this again, cuz it really shows the gap between protoframes vs our warframes

4 thousand mobs for us is probably like, an average Survival Session

🤣

Pretty sure you can reach it around like 15 mins or so lol

[naive cipher]

realistic logic vs game logic

ngl also the part their didnt unlock full potential yet

[hearty pendant]

they're untrained and unmodded, yes

[tame canopy]

I mean yeah that's the point lol they're still partially human

And now after the hex quest drifter is hanging around doing missions in hollvania, giving them the taste of scifi war crimes

Viktor was still having difficulty capturing/killing the hex and they're basically the equivalent of Some Guys™ in terms of WF powerlevels, Drifter being here with our endgame loadout is basically fighting a physical god lol

[flat tree]

"Congrats stormfall, you're being deployed to victory plaza"

[uncut solar]

Quincy couldn't even use Seek without our help

[hearty pendant]

Viktor watching the Hex, known terrorist group with 6 members, suddenly expanding to ~60 members:

[uncut solar]

And he doesn't use evade

If he had his abilities up he wouldn't have had the tank thing happen to him

[tame canopy]

Quick praise for this bit of diegetic storytelling here, when Drifter used Quincy's 1, I noticed that the skill got a cd afterward

[uncut solar]

Yeah that was neat

[hearty pendant]

is it that he didn't know to use them or didn't want to?
he had returned on a suicide mission, from what i saw

[tame canopy]

99 percent sure of this, and besides this part, he probably was lowkey suicidal and didn't expect anyone to make it out alive

[tame canopy]

I do note that beside the 4 he didn't used the 2 and 3 lol

Fyi Idk what they do, I don't have his wf yet

[uncut solar]

His 2 is like toxin lash but it reloads your weapon and you can choose the element

Geniunely psychotic

[flat tree]

Weapons platform and sniper

If only it was his subsume

[hearty pendant]

don't think it affects his 4, though, no use for it there

[flat tree]

Resupply affects his exalted gun

[uncut solar]

And his 3 is an invisibility with a timer that increases each weak point hit

[hearty pendant]

oh fr?

[flat tree]

yes fr

[uncut solar]

It works on everything but archguns

It works even on Zarr and Bramma...

[flat tree]

I bought him during the sale a while back and let me tell you with the right build you are playing octavia with a sniper rifle

[hearty pendant]

odd
idk i rarely use his 2nd, neutralizer handles whatever i throw it at on its own

[uncut solar]

His 2 is mostly for using other weapons

[flat tree]

It works amazing for guns with terrible ammo economy

gives you both an element without needing to mod for one

and also reloads it for a bit of energy

[uncut solar]

It's straight up negating ammo nerfs while giving you a child of valence formation and toxin lash

Silly strong

[tame canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMSpuIQJEmU
I went and looked it up to see and looks like quincy didn't know he has it, cuz drifter said "See?" then quincy said "yeah. yeah, I do", which feels like meaning he resigned to suicidal ideation in the bad ending but when drifter transferred + turned his 1 on, he didn't gave up and secured the area

Drifter transferring also helps the hex's mental states too, with ex. being eleanor

[hearty pendant]

yea, drifter showing back up after disappearing previously is a boost anyway
along with whatever other affect they have w/ transference

[uncut solar]

Yeah, Helminth fears us because we can calm it. And it worked the same on protos

[flat tree]

I haven't tried it but it works wonders on the Kuva Kohm and Akairus

[uncut solar]

Zarr is the actual monster with him

[flat tree]

But its sad that you can't put it on recharging guns like the Cycron

[uncut solar]

You get a spammable Zarr with extra damage and guaranteed status

[rain otter]

I like

otherthings with him and actually his sniper.

[tame canopy]

Like all the hexs new outcomes are borne from:

1. Transferrence from drifter grounding their minds
2. Drifter helping them uncover their potential (or in Arthur's case, move his body for him)

[flat tree]

Loki in his actual grave right now

[uncut solar]

Loki still has damage decoy

[tame canopy]

Wait really??? is that why it keeps calling me demon????

[flat tree]

because you murder a ton of stuff

[tight pagoda]

Helminth fears us because of the Void

[hearty pendant]

the demon bit is more because of the void connection

[tight pagoda]

The infestation has a direct sensitivity to the void

[uncut solar]

Imagine being a timeless hivemind and then some child comes up and uses void to essentially possess and take control of a part of you

[rain otter]

loki HAS BEEN THAT WAY BEFORE I EVEN STARTED PLAYING.

be REAL.

[flat tree]

Gosh darn it I got the lore thing again

[tame canopy]

Ohhhhh I see then, void problem

[tight pagoda]

It's kinda loves us for that though

For healing pain

Lizzie has chats about it, no?

[flat tree]

Loki has like 4 uses

low level spy missions

really specific builds

helminth food

[tame canopy]

random note, Helminth truly got the best deal as an Infestation Strain
Stay around in the orbiter and maintain its host, and they just come and feed stuff to you

[rain otter]

USE IVARA

[uncut solar]

I think so, it both fears us but kind of on our side since it's helpful

[rain otter]

SHE'S BETTER

she even has as augment to not trip lazers while invise.

[flat tree]

ANY FRAME IS BETTER THEN LOKI

[tame canopy]

In terms of continued survival, helminth probably got the best deal out of all the strains lol

[tight pagoda]

Loki's best use is Switch Teleporting the stupid Plains of Eidolon drone out of something when it's stuck

[uncut solar]

Loki's best use is spawn decoy with deceptive bond at level cap and oneshot himself

[hearty pendant]

"remain useful and nothing bad happens" is pretty much the reason any of the infestation is still around
unfortunately, the rest haven't gotten the message as clearly and are a little out of control

[flat tree]

I like how his 4 only works on factions with guns

this means that its useless against, the infestation, murmer, techrot, sentients, techrot

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[flat tree]

Loki rework in Old Peace please 😭

[tight pagoda]

Apparently it used to literally disarm infested

[uncut solar]

They're not fixing deceptive bond. It's a conclave augment

[tight pagoda]

They confirmed no reworks with Old Peace, they're too busy

[tame canopy]

I LOVE MY PET SIMULATOR

[flat tree]

Ah well

Oberon got it good

[tame canopy]

[flat tree]

-# how

[uncut solar]

Dis-arm

Arms fall off

[flat tree]

Loki getting blitzed by Wukong to spy vaults

But hold on

I've never seen a Hollvania mission at night

[uncut solar]

They both lose to Nokko now

😔

[flat tree]

It's all during the day to evening

[uncut solar]

Face-off

[flat tree]

Oh...

Conclave doesn't matter so it ddoesn't count

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[hearty pendant]

i swear i've seen the other missions at night

[uncut solar]

ETA as well

I'm pretty sure there are some ETA missions that can happen at night

Last week Hellscrub was at night for me

[tight pagoda]

It's dependent on season

[feral tree]

Idk where else to post this, but I must share this achievement. This means so much to me.

[warm anvil]

w double post ty discord

[feral tree]

Not sure why that posted twice

[hearty pendant]

standard discord shenanigans
congrats tho, hell yeah

[feral tree]

A journey 7 years in the making.
I started the same day the switch port launched, and this week will mark my 7th year as a tenno.

Words can't describe how I'm feeling right now about how good it feels to finally have the confidence to consider myself an elite now that I've reached this point.

(now I gotta buy 2 pedestal primes for the other 2 master slates lol)

[tame canopy]

ZAMN
Good job, for real 👍
Ngl I thought of displaying my mastery slab like this too but I stayed in orbiter so it didn't panned out cuz of the size lol
I probably should consider decorating the backrooms haha (I legit like ordis' remarks so I stayed in orbiter lol)

[rain otter]

Okay great job. But the things that stood out was like "wow low FOV" and are you playing on a steam deck?

[timid briar]

Great job, I'm close to being a tenno for a year.

I started last December and I'm MR19 with almost 50 days on Xbox.

[flat tree]

Is this line from the second dream still canon or even relevant?

Lotus: "Within The Moon, lies the Reservoir, the secret to your Tenno power. But this secret is dangerous, it drove the Stalker to madness. Forgive my deception, I was only trying to protect you from the same fate. Now it is time to protect yourselves by ensuring The Moon remains within the safety of the Void."

The Stalker clearly isn't insane in the traditional sense just extremely hateful towards us for destroying the Orokin removing his chance at reuniting with his family that was forcefully turned into warframes

[wild wind]

point of order, Stalker's forgotten about Jade by the time of the Orokin Collapse

According to Jade's memory feather he's long forgotten her by the time they reunite

anyway yeah it's out of date

[flat tree]

I get that but

how does this relate with the resovoir

[wild wind]

They actually didn't plan Jade at all

They mentioned in an interview that it wasn't until Jade Shadows that they decided it would be Stalker's backstory

It's likely he was meant to also be a Tenno at one point

[flat tree]

So they just threw things at the Stalker lore wall until jade shadows?

[wild wind]

They mostly didn't develop his lore at all, so that when they did sit down to do it they could have free reign

[flat tree]

How does this fare for the acolytes? I know their lore is practically dust and just babble about whatever but were they ever intended to be anything more then just followers of the Stalker with a similar appearance?

[wild wind]

as far as I know, never

I'm sure they've bounced ideas back and forth but well....

[fierce kiln]

atp if they wanted them to make sense theyd have to give us a good reason as to how tf they can canonically go to 1999

[wild wind]

I always just figured there were other Tenno coming to help and the acolytes just slipped in with

[fierce kiln]

well, i have hardly an imagination as to how other tenno canonically help us in 1999

[hearty pendant]

given our method of time travel is the helminth, seems unlikely

[hearty pendant]

gameplay > lore in both cases i believe

[fierce kiln]

dont all tenno have an orbiter with one

[hearty pendant]

the acolytes don't

[fierce kiln]

ah

[echo basalt]

Them mates are space hobos

[fierce kiln]

even with the tenno all having a helminth, its still unlikely they canonically visit 1999 bc we see no trace of other tenno in the sanctum which they would need for the right temporal coords or whatever

[hearty pendant]

they could be in the sanctum, but i don't think they'd have reason to go to 1999. drifter has that handled, presumably, if they knew of drifter/1999 at all

[flat tree]

“Hey the Tenno’s doing something, wanna jump him?”

[uncut solar]

I saw that one ugly volt the other day

[fierce kiln]

why do i imagine them popping up like majima now 😭 https://tenor.com/view/goro-majima-majima-goro-goro-majima-majima-everywhere-gif-20471064

[cerulean kiln]

Plus other Hex never mention other Tenno being there

[uncut solar]

Everybody gets one

[flat tree]

Opinions?

[fierce kiln]

didnt read through it but the title alone could make sense just alone for the stalker being on lua while it was still in the void, and strong emotions in the void does things

[cerulean kiln]

They’re stated to be found not created

Plus it is them missing the whole Acolytes have no lore and are gameplay now

[wild wind]

do we know that?

Like, they're Warframes with the Stalker's head, I kinda assumed they were ahead of the game on Helminthing

[flat tree]

We can dream

[hearty pendant]

do we know anything about the acolytes, tbf
stalker has his landing craft but (seemingly) no orbiter it belongs to, i'd imagine the acolytes have a similar setup

[wild wind]

that actually is a good point

[cerulean kiln]

We aren’t shown an Acolyte anything tbh

[wild wind]

presumably they have something for upkeep though, even our Warframes need some Helminth TLC

[cerulean kiln]

Plus nowadays the only way to get Helminth nowadays is visiting Deimos

[fierce kiln]

all we know they formed a club of miserable conscious frames that want to beef with a child

[wild wind]

though, Stalker tried to fix Jade with medical bioplasma

that could even be enough

[cerulean kiln]

They don’t really need a Helminth tbh

[fierce kiln]

idk if its canon that we need the segment to have it in the first place or to gain access to subsuming bc you can remove cysts without the segment

[cerulean kiln]

They can’t do all the cool Helminth things tbh

[fierce kiln]

given some ordis lines the helminth is essential to the orbiter

[wild wind]

Segment is to access the Helminth infirmary

Notably though, it's Son's creation

He's not a Warframe expert

huh actually

Who is it that gives you the archon shard segment

Daughter

[fierce kiln]

its also son

[hearty pendant]

then bird 3 has the last one, yea?

[fierce kiln]

yep

[wild wind]

wiki says Daughter sends the mail

[fierce kiln]

well its sold by son

[wild wind]

that's the original segment

Not the archon shard one

[fierce kiln]

ahh

[hearty pendant]

Son designed it, Daughter sends it

[wild wind]

ah, is that confirmed?

Because I was thinking, Albrecht is the connecting tissue there

[hearty pendant]

"What if I told you that Archon Shards can be used to enhance your Warframes?
My brother designed a new Helminth segment for you."

[wild wind]

yup that's it then

so, credit where it's due, Albrecht studied archon shards during the Old War

[cerulean kiln]

Nah, he made Loid do it

[wild wind]

And Son IS bright and familiar with the infestation

but I feel pretty confident in saying that someone with sufficient inclination and the correct resources could figure out how to manipulate the Helminth on their own

[fierce kiln]

given we can understand it, presumably while in a frame due to it being part of the helminth, tenno can likely somewhat psychically talk to it

[cerulean kiln]

Inbox message:
Pursuant to the study of Archon Shards

Tenno,

As I adjust to the era in which I have awakened, I note with alarm the reappearance of 'Archons', a foe we have not seen since the Sentient War.

Several Archon Shards were retrieved from the battlefields. The Orokin demanded Albrecht Entrati explore the potential inherent in them, a task he immediately delegated to me.

The Necraloid has shown me some examples of Kermerros' work with Shards. Impressive. I believe I can improve upon it, however.

You may acquire the relevant Segment from the Cavia at your convenience.

—Loid

[wild wind]

seems pretty similar to how Eleanor talks

Also I seem to recall Amir plays arcade games with it?

[hearty pendant]

huh. does he always use "Kermerros" or is that linked to having seen that cutscene

[wild wind]

oh, you need to be rank 3 for the helminth system

And you need to have the helminth system for the archon shard segment

[fierce kiln]

well, Eleanor can speak our language and do it to whoever she wants due to being nyx, base helminth kind of just makes noises that i believe to be only canonically noticeable to us while in a frame

[wild wind]

so I think this doesn't send until you have the archon segment and have

[echo basalt]

Not to mention Drifter can just talk to lizzie

[fierce kiln]

in her case she got strings to manipulate soundwaves

[balmy storm]

She also has Flare

[fierce kiln]

and ig orbiter and backroom helminth dont care to try to use their mouth

ig orbiter-minth doesnt have the tongue needed

[cerulean kiln]

In most quests we don’t actually speak at all even though we can

[balmy storm]

They make noises but nothing sophisticated

[balmy storm]

Tbh that wouldn’t even be a problem
It’s the infestation

[cerulean kiln]

Infestation would just make a tongue

[fierce kiln]

there are noises the mouth makes and whispers that i interpret as being its psychic ability on frames

[balmy storm]

Also I’d say that it’s less Helminth speaking to our mind and more so us understanding it

[fierce kiln]

id say it is to our mind given its whispers and no visible source outside of flickering

[balmy storm]

Considering we can hear it without the frame and afaik the infestation doesn’t display psychic abilities beyond the hivemind (if you count that) and the times where frames are literally designed to take control of others (primarily Nyx)

[balmy storm]

I mean it can literally just be sounds from the infestation around them, the infestation doesn’t need a mouth to speak to us

[fierce kiln]

frames are strains of the helminth and the main strain doesnt share their abilities, and for operator/drifter i choose to pick the "devs didnt care/forgot" card

[balmy storm]

The Zealoid speaks to us iirc
We understand Lephantis too I think?
And some other infested species
If anything I’d argue it’s our tenno literally learning it through transferring into a member of the hivemind, the Warframes

[cerulean kiln]

Zeloid yaps

[hearty pendant]

helminth has a special line regarding operator/drifter, though
the only time the alignment system does anything

[balmy storm]

I still would not count it as psychic powers when the hivemind option is right there

[cerulean kiln]

Infestation can even make a person mute

[balmy storm]

Us learning it through osmosis makes more sense

[fierce kiln]

i didnt mean literal psychic powers, but to describe the ability to convey thoughts over to frames and due to transference to us

[balmy storm]

Since it can talk to and about us directly the frame doesn’t seem entirely necessary

For the osmosis of learning the “language”, I can see that
But since the frame need not be present we likely just can understand it

[fierce kiln]

given the whispers have subtitles in brackets, its implied its not intelligeble and either the operator can just understand it or only while in a frame, but safe to say regular people wouldnt be able to tell unless its both a sound and a voice in your head, but then yet again they chose to not give it a VA

so at base line it has to be a voice in our mind, its still up to interpretation if the tenno can notice it on their own or has to be in a warframe

[balmy storm]

The infestation just creates the perfect vibrations that make your brain understand it

[zenith jacinth]

(Helminth's lines are actually vaguely intelligible)

[hearty pendant]

i'd imagine the parentheses just means its a translation instead of just <infestation noises>

[balmy storm]

Yeah that’s what I’ve assumed too

[fierce kiln]

translation of something not conveyed through sound but through mind

is how i thought of it

[hearty pendant]

this too, though. occasionally i can recognize a word or two in the mess

[balmy storm]

I’d have to check in game but I think the other infested don’t speak with the parentheses?

[fierce kiln]

in that case id say thats us hearing it as our voice in our mind, not the helminths

[zenith jacinth]

The "why do you reject my beauty" line is completely audible if you listen for it

[hearty pendant]

i want to say lephantis does?

[balmy storm]

That’s kinda just language
We’re also def hearing something since an audio cue is playing

[zenith jacinth]

It's a completely different voice

[fierce kiln]

hmmmm

[balmy storm]

I think us just knowing it through osmosis due to being consistently connected to a member of the infestation, specifically the helninth strain makes the most sense

[fierce kiln]

well yeah the audio cue thing is our media being limited to that when it comes to psychic talking

[hearty pendant]

i appreciate the wiki having almost none of the audio files. very cool

[balmy storm]

Wait really??
Maybe they don’t know?

[zenith jacinth]

The wiki is impressively bad

[balmy storm]

The archives don’t have any files afaik, just quotes

[hearty pendant]

it has "On first sitting in the chair" lines and general sfx
not sure if what they have under 'sfx' is actually linked to the lines above or not

[fierce kiln]

for helminth quotes, the wiki doesnt list subtitles with audio files together bc helminth lines are not tied to it so its not intelligeble

these are the only ones that have specific ones

but even then it hardly firts what they say at all

[balmy storm]

Oh Ordis even says “is it talking” LOL

so it’s not just in our head if he can hear it

[fierce kiln]

you can percieve hearing without noise existing

[balmy storm]

So you’re suggesting it’s speaking psychically to both our meat brain and Ordis’ glass brain

[zenith jacinth]

...what

[balmy storm]

I feel like you’re overcomplicating what can just be it making noise and us understanding it.

[fierce kiln]

ever heard of tinnitus

all our senses are in the end chemestry in our head

[zenith jacinth]

haha pun

[balmy storm]

How would Helninth even do that, it can’t infect us, it can’t do anything to us
Let alone Ordis (though tbh idek what happened with Jordas other than he did get infected)

[fierce kiln]

well yeah how do we understand it? ordis who isnt biological cant so there has to be more than noise, my idea being some psychic thing involved

[fierce kiln]

yes my whole point is that while were in a frame we can actually understand it canonically

[balmy storm]

He recognizes that it may be speech, so the noises mean something
I’d also argue osmosis makes more sense than an ability that hasn’t been displayed

[balmy storm]

But not when we’re our tenno, for some reason

[fierce kiln]

my explaination for that is devs didnt care/forgot to go that deep into detail, or for the sake of the player always having some more insight to it

in the end, subtitles in brackets can also mean that only us as the viewer can actually tell

[balmy storm]

Tbh this is the most likely answer

[fierce kiln]

and if its not psychic then the noise is able to manifest the translation in our minds

[balmy storm]

But also the lines do change if you’re your tenno

Also why would you not just say it’s due to the hivemind?

[fierce kiln]

yes but that is their reaction to seeing us

[balmy storm]

I guess it does depend if you consider a hivemind to he psychic

[fierce kiln]

felt like that word doesnt convey it clearly enough

[balmy storm]

I think it does tbh

[fierce kiln]

since there is no physical connection from it and our frames it is somewhat phychic, maybe our definitions differ to the word

[balmy storm]

We know it’s a hivemind, we know it communicates, it’d be a clear answer and would explain why we can understand the infestation elsewhere

[balmy storm]

All of the infestation is connected by a hivemind no matter the distance in space or time

[zenith jacinth]

Simplest answer is infestation can just be understandable if it wants but always sounds at least a bit off

[balmy storm]

That’s how we get to 1999
We use the infestation, tell it to make a frame, we use transference and boom: 1999

[fierce kiln]

lephantis says "you are our flesh" and i do believe all strains talk to the frame, not the tenno

• our helminth when the operator enters refers to us in 3rd person, further implying that

[zenith jacinth]

Hiveminds don't need to be physically connected

[fierce kiln]

welp there lies my mistake then

[balmy storm]

Again, the infested can communicate across time
They’re not very limited

[zenith jacinth]

Even irl hiveminds can work without physical connections

[cerulean kiln]

They’re limited on who they can infest

[balmy storm]

Which is what
Us?
Anything else from the void?
And Kavats?

[zenith jacinth]

Uhhhh doors?

[fierce kiln]

dark matter

[zenith jacinth]

There are no infested doors that were different doors originally

That's. Actually a funny idea

[fierce kiln]

errrrr they clearly just want some privacy ☝️🤓

[zenith jacinth]

The infested are scared of the void and doors

[balmy storm]

And kavats

Except helminth who kinda just loves everything

[fierce kiln]

it calling tenno devils,,, i wonder if its due to being made by ballas and thus indoctrinated or if ballas somehow immortallized a fraction of his self into it

[cerulean kiln]

Helminth fears us

[zenith jacinth]

It calls us demons bc we're part void

Note, demons. Not devils

[balmy storm]

Yeah it has nothing to do with Ballas it seems

[fierce kiln]

hmmm

[zenith jacinth]

Going by dnd demons and devils are different

[balmy storm]

It just no like the void

[balmy storm]

I think going by real life too?

Idk I think it depends

[cerulean kiln]

Do you think Helminth knows what we’re doing with his kin?

[zenith jacinth]

Less distinct but generally ye

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Of course, she repairs us

[fierce kiln]

lizzy is the helminth and she is pretty aware

[cerulean kiln]

Helminth saw Wally confirmed?

[zenith jacinth]

The smiling one

[fierce kiln]

the infestation on deimos/ grey strain is said to be receding/ trying to hide from what is implied the murmurs expansion into the labs ever since ending of new war, where wally got more influence due to the portal

so not just helminth

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[balmy storm]

Iirc the murmur were always somewhat present
But after the new war things started getting worse

[fierce kiln]

yes thats true

[balmy storm]

Also it was less Wally gaining influence and more him noticing things if I’m remembering the operator report correctly?

[fierce kiln]

grey strain may or may not have picked it up before nw

[fierce kiln]

at minimum both

at least how i understand it

[hearty pendant]

got bold enough to attack the sanctum's defenses for the first(?) time during whispers
first time since loid went to sleep, at least

[balmy storm]

Idk what more influence he would have tbh

[fierce kiln]

the culverins lore is though that theyre made by father to defend against void incursions, so ages before that

[fierce kiln]

before the stuff he could do was more limited and smaller scale, see it as recources

[hearty pendant]

being around in the labs vs attacking the vitreum and auricle directly, though
"The murmur presumes to destroy our auditory and visual sensors. In all the time I have been asleep they have never ONCE been so bold!" Loid during whispers

[fierce kiln]

neither confirm or deny that the murmur has in some way tried to attack

but that theyre now so bold further proves it getting stronger due to the void portal at the end of nw

[zenith jacinth]

Or correlation not causation

[fierce kiln]

fair

[hearty pendant]

there's also the "After all those years of creeping, silent encroachment... something has changed them. Stirred them up." from shortly after the previous quote

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh

There’s defences for the ones that tried

So it’s not like they didn’t but rather couldn’t

[fierce kiln]

necramechs being able to be called in remotely to me seems like they were able to enter but had far less resources compared to now, and might not have been able to transform entire areas to be that murmor void

like ok there is being prepared but then there is being able to directly deliver a necramech to any position across those giant labs

[cerulean kiln]

And back in the day said Mechs didn’t have the issue of not knowing who their master is

[fierce kiln]

that can be either due to time degrading them or the murmurs influence, those on the surface kinda imply it can be time

can be both

[hearty pendant]

"The Necramechs could never be compelled to attack the Murmur. Albrecht suspected they could no longer distinguish between the Indifference... and himself. A theory he was reluctant to test."
surface necramechs are having issues distinguishing between infestation and anything else, lab necramechs seem to have always had an issue with murmur vs albrecht

[fierce kiln]

so he has tried

[zenith jacinth]

And surface necramechs are allies, only the vault ones are hostile

[fierce kiln]

ya, i simplified surface to include the vaults

[undone lodge]

We dont see trace of Tenno in the sanctum because why would they leave them? And we know other Tenno go the sanctum because of the existence of Operation Gargoyles Cry

[solid otter]

Other tenno go to the sanctum, but only the singular drifter goes to 1999

[flat loom]

Idk if you're being serious, but that's obviously the most fashionable holiday spirit fashion Eleanor has ever worn.

So don't ever talk to me and my bunny ear'd wife with her '3ft tall/5ft on a good day' candy cane and her water nerf gun ever again

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-gif-26439707

[zenith jacinth]

Sure. Holiday spirit. And it's a coincidence that it looks extremely similar to a bunny suit?

[flat loom]

Damn, you were being serious

Don't dig too deep into it mate, no one's gonna over fashion you

[zenith jacinth]

Is it a coincidence?

[flat loom]

No?

[solid otter]

[flat loom]

Why would you assume an exposed shoulder eleanor with an all black color palette a bunny suit?

[zenith jacinth]

[solid otter]

[zenith jacinth]

So the correct answer would've been yes, it is a coincidence

[flat loom]

Man, if you see it as a bunny suit then that's on you I won't judge

I just like the black colors and an exposed shoulder

[zenith jacinth]

Well it's the obvious conclusion when you add on the bunny ears

[solid otter]

Gaslighting final boss lmao

[flat loom]

Yikes, if you think it's a bunny suit then good for you lol

[zenith jacinth]

You answered no when I asked if it's a coincidence so 🤷

[flat loom]

I answered no, on the premise that it wasn't made as a bunny suit

[zenith jacinth]

That wasn't the question though was it

[flat loom]

Idk, was that a question or an assumption?

[feral tree]

PS5

[zenith jacinth]

The question was "is it a coincidence". Answering no means that your intention was what I assumed

[flat loom]

Yeah glad to hear it bud

[zenith jacinth]

You're dodging it so I'll continue assuming I'm right

[flat loom]

Hmh, congrats buddy, glad to hear it

[flat tree]

Just wear Rhino heirloom

Or frost heirloom

[alpine basin]

which warframe is that

talking about the one on the picture

[flat tree]

Secret Valkyr skin

[alpine basin]

oooh

take all my platinum, i want it

[versed cedar]

has anyone noticed moustaches hang from kaya's septum piercing?

[fringe pond]

Wow that’s cursed

[shadow forum]

Imagine seeing that in real life i would question many things, but still it's funny.

[fading current]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Qe8GzhJ0uOY

I. Can’t. Wait.

[shadow forum]

Wait wait just 1 more week after this week.

[versed cedar]

DE better not mess up my princess

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-kevin-home-alone-scared-gif-14735390

[inner breach]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-finger-fisherman-sucking-gif-7875937907254449080

[flat tree]

Void horror

[fervent anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[half light]

i think they shoved dr who references into arthur

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-tardis-smile-gif-13048913

[zenith jacinth]

That is just a normal word/phrase

Just bc he's british doesn't mean everything is a dr who reference

[half light]

is it ?

i know some french phrases are common, but i never heard allons-y before

[flat tree]

Warframe players discover French terminology

[zenith jacinth]

I have, in ye olde gen 6 pokemon

[half light]

sorry, but i only listen to languages which actually pronounce words as they are written 😔

[wicked iron]

Like what?

[half light]

of the top of my head english and spanish ?

[wicked iron]

Cuz if you mean English, I just want to point out act-shoe-a-lee. XD

Basically all languages have pretty big variances in speaking what's written.

And a lot that I know of also have silent letters randomly in words, and such.

[half light]

you actually pronounce all the vowels in "actually", look at "beaucoup" or "jouaient"

anyways, it was just a joke

[wicked iron]

I gotcha lol

[flat tree]

is that what I mucking think it is?

[rain otter]

Probably.

[flat tree]

Is it jade?

[rain otter]

Probably.

[half light]

asked the same way earlier, but apparently those have been there way before jade shadows

[golden flare]

Holy cow holy cow holy cow!! The option for ||“ask on a date” for Aoi finally popped up!! 🎉🎉🎉||
I was told to wait until the ||KIM confession chat dialogue happens before asking her out, ||what do y’all think?

[golden flare]

Should I wait or should I ask now?

[rain otter]

Whatever one you wanna do.

The chat one is more interesting kinda.

[golden flare]

Kinda? You’re making it sound like the romancing overall isn’t even worth the effort? 😭

[flat tree]

its not a bad thing but you can chosee whoever you want, every year you can reset your history with the entire hex if you want to choose a different one,

[gentle cape]

which kinda has some messed up cheating implications if you think about it...

[golden flare]

None of the other hex are particularly interesting to me to romance personally, just Aoi and maybe Elenor? But still, I wouldn’t wanna reset Aoi

[tight pagoda]

The chats don't have to be romantic

[uncut solar]

Yeah there's even a unique end of year animation if you haven't romanced anyone

[fading current]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXz7AxXaZ7U&list=PL1zGR4YZKilKNEx7z46G5ZT0RCI7NX9xE&index=4&pp=iAQB0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

2:01:15 mark. Omg. I am crying with her. This quest is so freaking emotional. Gosh I can’t wait to replay it all when the operator remaster is done next month.

[gentle cape]

i love how this quest just makes everyone cry.

peak writing

[wild wind]

hold up

Is Natah Ballas's AI girlfriend

[uncut solar]

Yes

[tight pagoda]

Bro got rejected by his AI girlfriend after refreshing chats multiple times and immediately died

[wild wind]

he died of cringe

[fierce kiln]

even wally popped in to laugh at his death 😭

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/char-aznable-quattro-bagina-zeta-gundam-i-came-to-laugh-at-you-gundam-gif-24795600

[flat tree]

I played it on 5 hours of sleep and didn't know what was going on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684050432565182477/1253199881506394164/cat-1-1.gif

[south fable]

I played it and just didn’t connect to any of the characters so I didn’t care much

[zenith jacinth]

Well, it really isn't

[gentle cape]

time to replay it w a fresh mind

[fringe pond]

To be fair, most of them come to terms with the sheer idea of it after you’ve dated them long enough
Or at least Arthur does

[half light]

how strong are the healing factors of the hex ?

im assuming they are stronger or weaker for each, since elanor mentions being run over by an apc but then amir dies from a gunshot wound

[fringe pond]

I think that’s less healing and more durability

[gentle cape]

its weaker than the warframes' but its still significantly higher than the average humans'... also yeah its more durability than healing.

[fringe pond]

The healing is just Lettie

[half light]

thought it was a mix of both. i don't remember other examples but eleanor says she can't get piercings or earrings anymore since the holes just patch themselves up

[solid otter]

... Eleanor has earrings

😭

[half light]

i was about to look up the line to show it but cloudfare is down :/

[fringe pond]

She could have been talking about how she has to trim her tongue often

[cerulean kiln]

Warframes dont have healing factors they have Helminth factor

[solid otter]

Yeah that too

[weak harness]

Where's that? (just woke up, waiting for coffee to kick in.)

[fringe pond]

Since people have been going “woah jade” that might be the surface of a Uranus grineer tileset

[silk remnant]

Fun fact: (spoilers for players that dont have second dream and war within yet done) || If u use ur operator voidsling into defense objective part with the tubes where they meet glasslike part u enter quantum state and u either get randomly stuck then teleported out or u go thru ubjective and appear on the other side ||

[half light]

found it, wasn't a KIM thing but a backroom dialogue

[solid otter]

One, what the bloody hell does she mean rattle, two SHE HAS PIERCES EARS

[half light]

2. maybe they are one of those no-piercing kind ? idk the name

[half light]

1. i imagine she had things like these maybe ?

[zenith jacinth]

1. She had a lot of loose overlapping piercings duh
2. See niko's reply

[solid otter]

Mm

See, I don't have my lobes pierced anymore so anything rattling would've scared the bejesus out of me

[silk remnant]

if u have chain like piercings they rattle if u move quick enough and for 2 she HAD as they got great regeneration and it healed the holes for them

[solid otter]

Oh i have... a daith and a healing helix 😭 they aint rattling no matter what i do

[silk remnant]

well u can have chain for example going loose and from ear to lip and that one does rattle with earring or another lip rings if they are big enough

[flat loom]

Chain accessory for the piercing, my wife has one and they do rattle altho very subtle for me at least, but for her she can definitely hear it most of the time for sure

Also funny how kaya still has her septum piercing, one could imagine she had to fight with albrecht not to take them off during the helminth process lol

[solid otter]

Yall are just having rattling. That would drive me mad 😭

[solid otter]

Nah, Albrecht likes piercings, i think he'd understand

He has 4 himself

[flat loom]

Lmao right? People prolly be immune to it

[solid otter]

And there's Loid's quantum septum piercing too

[flat loom]

Oh fr? Didn't fully check his model out yet, I gotta see this

[undone lodge]

They gold or nah?

[flat loom]

Holy shit he does

[solid otter]

In here, silver

[solid otter]

Little gay man with rhe piercings that glow

[flat loom]

Damn la-loid does have a septum one, didn't even notice that

[solid otter]

It disappears outside cutscenes, hence the Loid's quantum septum piercing thing

He can also doublejump for whatever reason

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

Like. Calm down old man

[flat loom]

I first saw this during that quest, and mf's agile af

[solid otter]

Im so scared why can he do that

I don't like it.

[flat loom]

ALSO, BULLETJUMP TO A ROLL?!

Cancelled his bulletjump midway

[solid otter]

Old man behaviour i suppose 😭

[flat loom]

I wouldn't be surprise if that's where the warframes got that ability.

[tropic venture]

gay people can double jump

[flat loom]

La-loid's the blueprint all this time

[flat loom]

The power gay people have

[solid otter]

Guess i missed that update

[solid otter]

Plot twist. He's wearing the double jump boots from doom 2016

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, you probably didn't have enough storage to download it at the time

[solid otter]

Its full of doom lore and alloid content, means i need to delete some and update my software

I can't do that to my mind archives tho

How will i be able to tell people that Albrecht wears docs for whatever reason

[cerulean kiln]

I just want his coat
And DE still won't give it

[solid otter]

If i make a pattern for it, I'll certainly make one for you

[tropic venture]

Albrecht's fit is still so crazy

his belt buckle has the Entrati logo engraved

[gentle cape]

this, too, is a jojo reference.

[flat loom]

Ain't albrecht an orokin?

Random question

[gentle cape]

yes. he stopped the continuity stuff.

[flat loom]

Bro's dripped out af for one

[undone lodge]

Kinda surprised the little hoop things on the cap aren’t gold too

…you think he just got something from a thrift store and got Loid to add to it?

[pseudo creek]

Probably

[tropic venture]

He is, yes

[flat loom]

I'm still actually bewildered how Eularia's his daughter, bro left his wife for yaoi

[cerulean kiln]

She probably died

[tropic venture]

He doesn't have as strong of a blue skin tone due to his needed rejuvenation after his Void accident, and to better blend in with the 1999 humans

[tropic venture]

Grandmother is Father's mom, not Mother's mom

[flat loom]

Oh right different fam

[tropic venture]

She's Eularia's mother-in-law

[undone lodge]

Wait did you think Mother and Father were siblings or did the different sides thing just not click

[cerulean kiln]

Eurelia was raised alone by Albrecht so Grandmother on Albrecht's side is either dead or left him for something else

[tropic venture]

yeah Albrecht's wife has never been mentioned

[solid otter]

Albrecht divorce core

[thick jolt]

All we know is she wasnt around

[solid otter]

She has, twice

[thick jolt]

Well technically she was

[solid otter]

That Euleria has her eyes, and a line from the drifter

[cerulean kiln]

She was mentioned in Kim and once in his logs

[tropic venture]

oh yeah true

[solid otter]

Alternatively, we can go down the funny Albrecht is the mother joke

Which is preferable to Loid is the mother

[tropic venture]

the wonders of orokin medical science

[solid otter]

Nah not even that, Albrecht was in a female body once was an option

[cerulean kiln]

Gender isn't real for Orokin

[solid otter]

Gender is arbitrary when you can change forms on a whim.

[solid otter]

Also, yes

[tropic venture]

Extremely rare Orokin W

[solid otter]

They also hate ai

But they are child murderers

[flat loom]

As they trucking should

[flat loom]

Unfortunately

[tropic venture]

True! But they also hate the sexy sentients 😔

[flat loom]

But hey you romance your warframe bodyguards 🤓👍

Unfortunate what the case was with dagath, but screw those couple anyway

[solid otter]

Yeah that's fine

[cerulean kiln]

Technically
That love dried up when Dagath became a frame

[solid otter]

Debatable if it was love anyways.

[tropic venture]

And this is why canonically Dax are freakier than Warframes confirmed

[flat loom]

They loved the idea of taboo, then got flaccid when dagath got transformed

[tropic venture]

like damn it's not as taboo anymore cause now she's literally a possession, not just a person we possess

[cerulean kiln]

Orokin class system casually having a flaw

[flat loom]

Varzia the woman that you are.

Uncle Teshin abstaining himself of varzia

[solid otter]

I uh

Don't think they care about two daxes

[tropic venture]

Never let Varzia see old man Teshin that woman will become a danger to society

[cerulean kiln]

Teshin probably doesn't even know who Varzia is at this point tbh

[solid otter]

Debatable if they care about Albrecht and Loid

Loid might be bonked but Albrecht wouldn't

Imo

[tropic venture]

Two Daxes being together would be fine most likely, so long as it didn't interfere with their duties

it's cross-caste relationships they hated

[cerulean kiln]

Were Dax allowed to date?

[tropic venture]

Nothing confirming nor denying it

[solid otter]

I wouldn't be gigashocked if they were sterile

[flat loom]

If varzia didn't overstay at maroo's she coulda met teshin then locked themselves in with their worldly desires

[tropic venture]

we know Teshin had Valeria, but we know nothing about her so

[flat loom]

They prolly are

Altho, wasn't the case with umbra

[tropic venture]

That is possible yeah

yeah that's true

[solid otter]

Could be a later edition maybe?

Editon. I mean addition.

[flat loom]

Maybe just a ranking thing, or maybe umbra got recruited and he already has a family

[solid otter]

I mean, they made the grineer sterile, no?

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe they can't date as it might cause issues with serving Orokin

[flat loom]

Was sorren and jade a dax?

[solid otter]

Nup, just people iirc

They looked like just people

[flat loom]

True, their silhoutte wasn't shown to be in dax uniforms anyway

[cerulean kiln]

Sorren was a low guard

[solid otter]

Whatever that means

[flat loom]

He can only guard low attacks

[cerulean kiln]

Guard lower down than a Dax probably

[flat loom]

ba dum tss

[solid otter]

Also there is a chance Albrecht and Loid flaunted their relationship, given their habit offending the orokin, but like. If it put loid in danger...

[cerulean kiln]

Even their soldier ranks had a class system

[solid otter]

Most militaries do, yes

[cerulean kiln]

I doubt we were actually on the class system for fighting

[flat loom]

Wouldn't even be far fetched if the orokin also had a problem hetero couples

Wait

I mean homo

[solid otter]

Nah, i don't think they cared about homosexuality (again, gender aint real to em)

[cerulean kiln]

Chat I saw Tau is this a problem?

[solid otter]

Gender is a construct even for us, let alone some caste that changes on aesthetics alone

[flat loom]

If they have a longer arm than the other, maybe yeah they prolly wouldn't

[solid otter]

Yes. Go take a break and eat 2 litres of icecream

I still will always believe in the headcanon that Albrecht struggled to understand homophobia in 1999

[flat loom]

Lmao true

I bet Queen also existed in 1999

Hence the entrati portrait display

[solid otter]

Daft punk existed in 1999, they aint gay but they are french. So close enough

[cerulean kiln]

Wally actually exposed himself in the ARG by calling us a different race using Albrecht's voice

[solid otter]

Giving hampter Albrecht the song around the world to annoy Loid with

[cerulean kiln]

Congratulations. If you are hearing this message, you are now the best hope to thwart an existential threat against your species. I do not have time to care who you are or why you stumbled into this unsavory business, but the messages you have decrypted thus far were left intentionally. This was, you are, my failsafe against this old, dead end experiment. The solution is simple, but requires the addition of a signal not found in your reality. Unfortunately, our connection will remain interrupted until you cancel the busy signal. All you need to do is hang it up."

[flat loom]

I still have this thing displayed on both orbiter and backrooms, such a great poster

[solid otter]

... interesting.

[solid otter]

I need this for the Albrecht shrine one day

[flat loom]

Man I missed that arg, is why even till now I'm still missing some context of the 1999 lore

[solid otter]

I hope the notes on that page is still Albrecht's and not wallyalbrecht

[flat loom]

Lmao I bought 10 of those, great use of ducats

[solid otter]

Him complaining about things is like. Peak media. And the (benevolently) one too

[cerulean kiln]

ARG was just helping Wally really

At the end of it he shows up on the screen thanking you

[solid otter]

I just hope this is Albrecht or loid bcs the idea of either old men sitting at a puter typing up notes and complaining about lcd screens is infinitely funny to me

Like bro wdym better lcd screens that's all we got 😭

Unless he like.

Wants oled on a damn motorbike

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht went to the past and got shocked that stuff wasn't as good as in the future and complained

[solid otter]

I like to think its Loid typing them up. And like. Albrecht is trying to explain how cool old tech is

"Loid look how innovative they were!!"

"Albrecht. That is a potato battery."

[cerulean kiln]

He likes the look of old tech
His tech is more advanced than how old tech would be

Like the POM is more advanced than 1999

[solid otter]

I wonder how he did that

[flat loom]

I don't even understand how the orokin have like frame less monitors and honeycomb keyboards as futuristic

[solid otter]

I mean, having a wireless display made with no frame for the internals is pretty wild

Like

Where is the display port???

[cerulean kiln]

Easy
Make the screen and box 1999y
Give it a 2000+ interface and stuff

[solid otter]

Where is the light coming from???

Looking at it like its satan incarnate rn

[flat loom]

Prolly just me, if they end up actually making a computer that needs no fans and wiring, my mind would be blown

[solid otter]

Sleeper build. Like those pcs in toasters or microwaves

[solid otter]

Literally tho

They do that shit and its like

I SWORE????

[flat loom]

They already prolly have aside from the terminals, but like wtf how is this shit projecting this shit

[solid otter]

WHEN COULD WE DO THAT HERE

[flat loom]

Albrecht: "it just do"

[flat loom]

Flying cars my ass, all I see is their world still revolves in oil

[cerulean kiln]

The better question should be
Where is the PC with the 1999 PC cuz I only see the monitor

[solid otter]

Id honestly would make Albrecht so uncomfortable. I would ask too many questions and things that i shouldn't

[solid otter]

Under the monitor? Show me a screenie for it tho

Most are under it, or are actually the key board itself

[thick jolt]

The box beneath it

[cerulean kiln]

What box?

[solid otter]

-# Like the commodore 64

If its not clearly there, its likely in the keyboard

[thick jolt]

It is very clearly there

Unless you mean in the orbiter?

But in the backrooms it is obvious

[thick jolt]

Yup

[flat loom]

Ngl, If I saw this thing on a white colored terminal in someone's orbiter? I'd assume it's a toilet with an old monitor

[cerulean kiln]

The PC in labs has an actual disconnected one where Backroom one doesn't seem to have it as a separate thing

[flat tree]

I honestly thing they could be made it look at least a bit better

Looks out of place compared to the other orbiter items

[flat loom]

Plus, NO MOUSE?!

[flat tree]

Transference into the computer

[flat loom]

Damn, you become the cursor

[thick jolt]

it is separate, just laid on top of it

[cerulean kiln]

So they just flipped it?

[thick jolt]

different models

[flat loom]

Nokiaaaaaa

[shadow forum]

3310

[flat loom]

Albrecht wouldn't miss that model for the world

[opaque dove]

KIM Pom 2

[solid otter]

Ignoring the fact that he would've because it came out in 2000

:)

[opaque dove]

It’s an absolute brick of a device

[undone lodge]

nah, before he pinpointed it to 1999 he travelled to somewhere in 2000 on the 9th of September, or as that country’s dating system would say, 00/9/9

[solid otter]

Literally 8 days after its announced lol

Also might I just say

Pretty.

Wait a god damn

[undone lodge]

What

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[opaque dove]

Is that in the rooms you take to bounties?

[reef compass]

incoming devstream in 10 days, wonder how much focus will be needed for the new stuff

[solid otter]

I uh. Figured something out chat. Im so smart

[cerulean kiln]

Did DE say that?

[solid otter]

Idk words but it works

[solid otter]

Check the announcements doofus 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Why check announcements when I have users doing it for me?

[solid otter]

Mm. True.

[solid otter]

Also my pencil behaved well while scribbling this. Felt nice.

[reef compass]

afaik they mentioned school focus expansion

so its not just Tauron strikes in theory

[undone lodge]

Any idea what the 3 little things on the right could be, if anything?

[zenith jacinth]

Clearly those are arrows showing where the orokin came from

If the wording doesn't make it obvious that's a joke

[solid otter]

Im thinking it could be season indicators? Ive had a similar thing as a kid and the rings are often supposed to represent months, days, years, seasons ect

Mm, but thats if the seasons are uneven.

[balmy storm]

Orokin towers

Could be the view from the origin system and the towers are just there?

[wild coral]

What do you guys think all the tauron strikes are gonna be per each school?

[echo basalt]

If you mean the remaining ones

Vazarins is probably a heal nuke

Madaurai might be like a regular nuke

[uncut solar]

Maybe Vazarin will give some form of invulnerability to everyone

Or/or a revive

[echo basalt]

And unairu is could be like dropping a mountain on something or like Atlas 2 on coke

[uncut solar]

Unairu is a hammer

[echo basalt]

Thought that was zenerik

[uncut solar]

It was unairu

[zenith jacinth]

Eh?

[uncut solar]

What?

[zenith jacinth]

What hammar

I only know sword

[uncut solar]

One of the dev streams had an unairu hammer

It sent a massive wave and started spawning universal ammo and orbs

[hearty pendant]

was near the end of the most recent devstream yea

[cerulean kiln]

Devstream 190 showed one of the others

[zenith jacinth]

Of course I miss that

[wild coral]

No this naramon

[uncut solar]

What?

[cerulean kiln]

All we know so far is a giant Sword and a Hammer and in 10 days we’ll know the other 3

[wild coral]

Naramon symbol

[uncut solar]

That's not what I was talking about

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah different thing

[uncut solar]

That's naramom sword yeah

On a dev stream they also had shown an unairu hammer

[wild coral]

Oh i was responding to whoever said they thought it was zenurik

[zenith jacinth]

(Although the ammo+orbs thing would fit zenurik better)

[hearty pendant]

a polearm seems likely though i'm not sure which it would be associated with

[wild coral]

I think zenurik will be infinite ability use for a duration

[zenith jacinth]

Zenurik is all about out-resourcing the enemy

[uncut solar]

Maybe they're all weapons

[zenith jacinth]

That's. Very boring

[uncut solar]

Zenurik will be a staff

[zenith jacinth]

Just a different version of zenurik's main ability

[wild coral]

I mean what else would it do, i don’t see it being a dmg ult

[zenith jacinth]

I'd say crowd control but DE is in a war against it for some reason

[wild coral]

Ima be sad if it’s just a wisp 4 lol

[hearty pendant]

vazarin scythe, perhaps?
or an axe

[uncut solar]

Vazarin does strike me as a scythe

Life and death and that crap

But Zenurik could definitely be a staff

[wild coral]

Doesn’t unairu have that switch to operator on death mechanic

[uncut solar]

It does

It's the waybound ability as well

[hearty pendant]

yea i can definitely see zenurik being a staff

madurai is.. an odd one

[uncut solar]

A gun

[hearty pendant]

ye olde I Cast Gun

[wild coral]

i think gun also cause its the one that deals with operator dmg the most

[gentle cape]

mesa's regulators but make it a tenno ability

[plush swan]

Zenurik Glaive

[zenith jacinth]

Please make glaives die I hate them

[uncut solar]

Yeah I can live with that

Zenurik Glaive seems fitting

[plush swan]

Madurai gets to be a sniper rifle :V

[zenith jacinth]

Madurai would be gauntlets or sparring

[plush swan]

They followed the path of Engage The Enemy. Their swift, uncompromising onslaught, holding nothing back and recklessly attacking their foes, could vanquish an opponent before he had the chance to steel himself. Speed and savagery characterized this school.

[uncut solar]

Claws?

[zenith jacinth]

Sniper doesn't really fit that description

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jump-funny-cat-dog-cat-jump-on-dog-gif-26005103

Lvl cap Thrax after old peace

[plush swan]

To me, it fits because you kill your enemy "before he had the chance to steel himself." -- i.e., before they are alerted

[zenith jacinth]

That's one aspect while the others aren't present at all

[plush swan]

Yeah, I guess you're right

[zenith jacinth]

Snipers aren't exactly known for quick relentless onslaughts lol

[uncut solar]

As a middle ground between a sniper and something fast and melee

Bow?

[plush swan]

It's more like "if they are all dead, then who is going to raise the alarm?"

[zenith jacinth]

Gunblade

[uncut solar]

This description would definitely work the best for a glaive

It's fast, ranged and silent

[plush swan]

Glaive detonations fit pretty well, I guess

[flat tree]

Hayden Tenno glaive

[zenith jacinth]

Silent isn't part of madurai

They're just really quick

[uncut solar]

Rightb

Glaive still works

Or a dagger

[plush swan]

Dual daggers

[uncut solar]

Kunai

[plush swan]

Naramon's description makes it sound like it ought to care a lot about codex scans

And weakpoint hits

Madurai wants to deal massive damage to enemies that are at full HP or smth

Zenurik wants to status

Vazarin wants to do stuff like dodge-rolls, Duviri interrupt/counterattaks and such

Unairu should really be a sword-and-shield

[uncut solar]

Unairu is the wall

The wall warrants a hammer

[zenith jacinth]

Unairu should be a counter

[uncut solar]

I think they want to make all of these abilities universally applicable

[plush swan]

Unairu is about enduring, Vazarin literally has "counter" in the description

[uncut solar]

That's why unairu is spawning orbs and ammo

[plush swan]

Rolling Guard goes on every build :3

[zenith jacinth]

Endure hits and then 'splode

[uncut solar]

I think they'll make them all weapon attacks with a lasting effect, and that's about it

Madurai could be a Glaive throw

[plush swan]

They pushed themselves to Outlast the Enemy, to withstand all aggression without retreat. They believed that if the enemy could not match their endurance, then a battle could be won without having even commenced.
Turns out, if your enemies can't kill you, and you can't run out of ammo, then you win

Revenant Mesmer Skin

Unairu feels like it should be mostly passive durability and resource replenishment, and you just poke your enemies to death over the next 5 hours of mission-time 😛

They believed the clearest path to victory was to Dominate the Enemy. They sought to choke an opponent of all resources; that sheer strength could erase any resistance.
Zenurik wants to debuff and CC enemies until they can't do anything

Glooooooooooom

[uncut solar]

Hammer will probably do pretty low dmg

It looks like it just knocks everything down and starts replenishing resources

[quick mica]

When I max out a focus school do the lenses still absorb affinity?

[fringe pond]

what dialogue options do i pick to get Lettie to join Amir's tabletop game?

it's not on the wiki unfortunately

found it but it doesn't have all the goddamn dialogue options

oh so it's basically any of them

Gonna leave this here for eventual wiki assimilation

[zenith jacinth]

Kimulacrum

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[fringe pond]

Noted

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, you can convert extra Focus into cosmetics

[quick mica]

Wait that doesn't sound so bad

I figured I'd have to just unequip all the lenses

[pearl forum]

did'nt know being a dad was so hard

[drifting sparrow]

you can't unequip focus lenses

[quick mica]

You can just equip a new one???

[pearl forum]

yeah but you dont get it back....

no?

[tight pagoda]

Correct, they're single use

Putting on another essentially destroys whatever lens used to be there

[flat tree]

Meanwhile

[quick mica]

Yeah but if you just use the basic lenses they are cheap

[rain otter]

Yes.

[rain otter]

Why?

You're always get affinity

It's just if you don't have a lense it goes no where BUTA

@quick mica @pearl forum @tight pagoda I was gonna say it's really easy to get Eidolon lenses now cuz you get them in bounties but you can just buy them built from bird 3.

It was eidolon lenses

And not great lenses.

[tight pagoda]

Weirdly you can't even trade Great lenses

I think all others can be traded, even Lua

[quick mica]

If I am done with a Zenurik and have a bunch of things with Zenurik Lenses on them, they will eat into my daily focus cap instead of going to other schools.

[rain otter]

I would use the focus

To buy stuff from the zen store.

[quick mica]

Yeah I just learned that was a thing (I don't even know where it is)

[rain otter]

Its on the Zen (or whatever focus)

And there will be a represent button.

Get the refelica kit first

[quick mica]

Ah I see it (currently locked but I'll get there)

[rain otter]

Oh do you need to like

Way bound stuff?

[quick mica]

So if you have a point in everything you can see "Represent" but it is locked. And says when you upgrade all nodes you get it.

Without a point in everything it doesn't even show Represent lol

[rain otter]

So you haven't upgraded all your nodes?

[quick mica]

Nope, but I'm getting close so I was wondering

[lunar adder]

i do NOT like my lich's dog

[patent pivot]

My dog doesn’t bite ahh💔

Honestly you should spare him just for the dog

[lunar adder]

you're so right

[flat loom]

Hound on crack

[wild coral]

Is that volts amir skin

Like when u use the protoframes to progenitor a pouch it comes out like this

Ah ok

[quick mica]

Do people have any favorite kit guns? I kind of hit high MR before messing with them so now they just seem kind of a lot. I need to build some for mastery though but would like to not just burn through them if there are gems. (I am full rank in all factions so able to get anything)

[tame canopy]

I still think about how much of a crashout pazuul is lol

Bro is constantly tweaking it, like viktor, with way edgier lines

Funniest line ever from him is when he mockingly repeated mission complete, objective achieved from lotus lmao

Like dude that's so petty 😭

His kind of hate isn't exactly for the love of the game, so to speak, bro has the corrosive (heh) kind of hate where he's seething and malding 24/7 lol

[flat loom]

"objEctIve aChieveD, WelL dOne."

[lone axle]

he's halfway between the head priest of his own religion and a petty sibling who's arguing with you to your mom over the last cookie in the jar

[supple dagger]

Pazuul is funny.

[flat loom]

Every time he appears, it makes the whole archon hunt fun

That and and the fact that he actually listens to comms

[opaque dove]

“Children of Abomination, filth-borne, chattels”

[honest smelt]

Tonbfinger and splat was my go to kit gun for a long time

[fringe pond]

People like Tombfinger and Vermisplicer iirc

[velvet wing]

Broooo why am I best friends with Lettie rather than Lovers but we can break up?? I swear I've been dating her for months and I'm still not at max level with her

[flat tree]

You aren't max ranked with the hex

[flat loom]

You need max level with the hex (1)

While you can confess and be with the hex member while not max syndicate, for the lovers title to come in, you'll need to be r5 hex

Go full pizza on that thang

[flat tree]

You didn't have to say this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877693596525031446/1245563936745722008/togif-40.gif

[lusty portal]

Was Protea, in the Deadlock Protocol quest, controlled by a Tenno, or was just the Warframe itself acting on its own accord? i’m leaning towards it being its own self, not controlled, because i’m pretty sure that was the original Protea, made in order to guard Parvos Granum. does that mean all original Warframes had wills of their own due to them being the original person-helminth-infestation hybrid, so they had embers of their former personality and could make their own choices?

[flat tree]

The Protea in the deadlock protocol is a specter of the original protea

[hardy wasp]

She was a specter

[lusty portal]

ah i forgot about that. but what about the second part? it’s something i’ve been wondering for a bit, since we know we can craft warframe and they don’t have their own will or personalities, but it’s been seen and recorded in the lore that some have, aside from Umbra

[flat tree]

When a tenno possess a warframe they do take on their mannerisms but for the most part the original person in there is essentially gone except for generation one warframes like Dante, Kullevero [jade shadows spoiler] ||Stalker, Jade|| and also Umbra. Generation 2 frames like Excalibur, Ash, and the rest don't do this

Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard if a frame has enough reason or motivation to they can move on there own, someone told me this once but I will need clarification

[snow solar]

Something interesting was going on with our warframe at the end of the second dream, I can't tell if that was our doing or of its own volition

[fringe pond]

Considering we weren’t using transference on it, probably the latter

Which is fair
I wouldn’t want Talking Sword Hunhow in my chest

[velvet wing]

I am and have been since like a month after the 1999 update dropped

[flat loom]

You need max affection with her then

[flat loom]

COWABUNGA DOOOD

[lusty portal]

what is this?

[flat tree]

You have reached the [END OF THE YEAR EVERY 4 WEEKS] you have a choice to make the Hex forget their memories [RESETTING ALL CONVERSATIONS TO SQUARE ONE] to start again for a different paths with their conversations or try out a new date

You can say no [BUT] do remember that you'll have to wait another 4 weeks to do this again so if you still have conversations left to go through then [X] but if you really want to go back then [CHECKMARK IT]

[lusty portal]

okay thanks!

[fringe pond]

Bro is Spamton G. Spamton

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-eating-fry-spamton-spamton-g-spamton-spamton-deltarune-deltarune-gif-5427027248121197851

[fringe pond]

LMAO

[flat loom]

Reset

Oh nvm it's been answered

[open vault]

How do we know which frames are G1 vs G2/3/etc?

[open vault]

Didnt Parvos basically say she is the og Protea but had degenerated into a Spectre due to keeping him alive all those years?

[tight pagoda]

Guesswork mostly. If their lore is about them staying sentient they're Gen 1, since future generations were made for Operator possession and thus they should be hollow

Dagath, Gara, Kullervo, Dante, Jade, Stalker

[open vault]

Ohhhh that makes sense.

How does this fit Ballas' lines about the Warframes being failures because they succumbed to the infested madness in The Sacrifice?

That bit has always bothered me

Like this doesn't fit with the concept of early Warframes having sapience/a mind of their own

[tight pagoda]

If I had to guess, some of them were angry enough about the pain they feel from the transformations to rebel

Rhino especially strikes me that way, and then that incident ends up with him encountering the Tenno and then the Orokin learning about the way Operators could calm the Warframes

[flat tree]

Considering the others personalities I would assume Ballas picked more (peaceful people?) or just less reason to go murder hobo

Dante’s a librarian frame
Kullevero and Stalker hate themselves more
Gara is…. Uhhhhh

[open vault]

The goat

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gara-idle-gif-26527293

[flat tree]

I despise grinding for Open world frames

They seem so fun

[open vault]

Yup, same. I straight up bought Hildryn and Kullervo from the market

[hearty pendant]

i'm not sure how those quotes don't fit with the first warframes being sapient on their own?
"minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought." "They turned on us, just as you did."
fits both the conscious rebellion and the 'falling to madness' views of them

[thick jolt]

Think kullervo or dante lore mentions a warframe rebellion

And kullervo crimes mention his kin being exterminate, as in the warframes

[open vault]

Yeah but none of the sapient ones went mad though, at least none of the ones we currently know about (except maybe Kullervo? Idk his story much)

[open vault]

Interesting

So there was a Warframe rebellion and the Tenno rebellion/Night of Naga Drums?

[hearty pendant]

they survived and we know about them because they didn't go mad
those that did were killed
having something to focus on seems to prevent or hold off the madness. stalker had his wife, then his hatred of us. jade had her baby to focus on. kullervo has his guilt. dante, his studies

[flat tree]

Feat. Temple

The night of the naga drums is actually depicted in the opening cinematic (iirc)

[hearty pendant]

the opening cinematic is odd
its just killing a bunch of grineer and dax, then the warframes run off into the temple/tower/structure whatever and go dormant
its probably during the drums or the collapse, though, yes

[echo basalt]

tbf the night of the naga drums was system wide so

[open vault]

I soooo wanna see the Night of Naga Drums one day. Flare's message really hyped me up lol

[flat tree]

You already do in the opening but you can also hear about it

The Leverian has some tales set during it like Grendel’s

[echo basalt]

his was after

[flat tree]

Close enough

[open vault]

Yeah its not as literal as it seems. Did you know its directed by Dan Trechtenberg? The guy who did Prey, Predator Killer of Killers and Badlands

[tight pagoda]

Awesome

[hearty pendant]

i knew it was third-party (and thus not super lore-accurate), though i didn't know who did it
interesting

[tight pagoda]

New information for me

[tame canopy]

In regards to lore interpretation I personally feel there should be some discretion on to what extent the source is faithful to the real events, cuz like, the tenets from parvos sound cool but it's certainly meant to be in-universe retelling of parvos' tale and so idk how much of it is altered for propaganda purposes

[open vault]

Specially now that we know there was an "Old Peace" that was hidden from us for some reason

[tame canopy]

The implications....

[flat tree]

Oopsie we killed a sentient

[tame canopy]

In retrospect, this is low key wild cuz I feel like this is viktor being a climate change denier lol

Like Ozone and acid rain were real phenomenon lol, so bro's probably dissing arthur for being a tree hugging hippie or something

[tight pagoda]

Tbf he is kinda right about Y2K, the machines went berserk long before that

[tame canopy]

Y2K is more like a bug in the systems's coding causing a catastrophe though so it's a disticntly different phenomenon

Anyway, I wonder how prevalent is scaldra's cult in 1999

[uncut solar]

And it was actually real in many ways, everyone just worked to prevent it and succeeded

Now the deniers say it wasn't real

[undone lodge]

Temple and their girlfriend

[uncut solar]

Their girlfriend (Helminth)

[tame canopy]

Suffering from success
You did too bad of a job and they ask why you're here
you did too good of a job and they ask why you're here

[uncut solar]

Imagine pulling up a hivemind

[tame canopy]

You know now that I think about it, is Efervon environmentally friendly?

[hearty pendant]

highly unlikely

[tame canopy]

Cuz like, I remember if you blow up some uh, containers with it in hollvania, it gives corrosive or gas dmg lol

[uncut solar]

It does corrosive and gas damage

I really doubt it's good for your health

[tame canopy]

ok, ok then
and scaldra is out here having their goons wielding it, injecting it to their bodies, using balloons with efervon, etc

[uncut solar]

Yeah, they're a cult

Members probably see it as a noble sacrifice

[hearty pendant]

they'd rather dissolve themselves than get infested

[uncut solar]

Meanwhile their preacher, Victor, is clean

[tame canopy]

Actually I need to really know this, cuz they're very well equipped and they're the one doing the lockdown on hollvania

Like are they the de facto govt now?

[uncut solar]

They are extremely influential around the world

[tame canopy]

W H A T

[uncut solar]

Minerva and Velimir talk about it

In their kim dialogue

[tame canopy]

shit that's rank 5 hex

Im on rank 3....

[uncut solar]

Yeah, their kim chat is basically all about scaldra stuff (outside of personal issues)

You'll learn a lot about it

[tame canopy]

I'm close to rank 5 zariman so there's something to expect

just need ranking mats atp

[solid otter]

Other than the Albrecht portrait i wanted nothing out of the holdfasts

[tame canopy]

I still need to craft some of cavallero's incarnon weapons bp lol