spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

Heck the frames from the foundry probably too

Orokin era foundries are insane

Btw we can’t bring anything to 1999 since we’re not time traveling in a way where we could do that

[tame canopy]

I pray one day we are permitted to bring more than wf and our loadout in non open world missions

[obtuse gyro]

did the KIMs confirm that?

someone claimed that the reason the scaldra can last any bit against us was because of "material parity" and when asked they told me to see the Hex quest

but when I looked nothing of what they claimed was there

[balmy storm]

Idk but we certainly can’t just bring stuff, unless the backrooms arsenal is connected some other way

But if it was then that’s an open connection

[balmy storm]

What

[obtuse gyro]

what indeed

[obtuse gyro]

I think theres that conversation where you tell one of the hex that maybe he turned them so that you might have something to use

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah for sure, I’m talking about the rest of our arsenal
Our other frames, our guns, our vehicles and our companions

[obtuse gyro]

Drifter: Just in case mine didn't come through or... something. He always has backup plans on backup plans.

[cerulean kiln]

I don’t think DE thought far into how it got into 1999

[obtuse gyro]

this would imply to me that our stuff did come through

[balmy storm]

I think that was more for the initial arrival where helminth barfs up an excal

When we get to the backroom we’re fine
Somehow

[obtuse gyro]

cant be about that

[balmy storm]

If there was a canon connection I’d assume that Kaya would have mentioned it tbh

[obtuse gyro]

because this was in regards to drifter having warframes to use, and the hex being those warframes

[cerulean kiln]

I think DE just placed it and called it a day rather than it having a lore reason

[balmy storm]

Cause if it’s our arsenals somehow being linked then that’s a physical connection
Or
They’re connected but the inventory of ours is sent to the 1999 one to replicate it perfectly

[balmy storm]

Maybe
Probably lol

[obtuse gyro]

perhaps the later, quincy does foam at the mouth at the thought of being spares in case the rest of our warframes didnt make it through the helminth

[tame canopy]

Idk if its the convo im thinking of, but that reminds me of quincy's convo interrogating us about wf and his (justified) freakout at the idea of losing his humanity and becoming an object.

He's also concerned once we're out of the loop the infestation in all of the hex will continue to progress and mutate them into the same wf we're possessing - essentially empty vessels

[cerulean kiln]

Luckily he doesn’t have to leave the loop

[tame canopy]

ok imma go now, and play wf lmao

👁️ work over

I will play the hex and see through the story

At last, I finally come back to farm for stuff from old levels

I am now the dude who comes back to starting levels after reach the end of the game or done all the side quests lol

Begin Again

[flat tree]

Ragebait wally

[tame canopy]

Quick commentary
Viktor constantly bulges his eyes out

I cannot unsee it anymore 🥀

Im surprised he's not screaming at the top of his lungs like vay hek at this point lmao

WHAT
DID WE TRANSFERRED INTO ELEANOR?

She speaks after she rips the the tongue off!

We saved them lets' go

I like the fact we get to see his skills right now, and that when my drifter transferred into him, he activated the ability for quincy and you can see the cd lol

👁️ so is that his 1? wallhack?

I legit don't have his wf fyi

[tight pagoda]

Yes

[tame canopy]

Also, is that freaking albretch in a poster?

[tight pagoda]

And adds punch through

[gentle cape]

yes

[tight pagoda]

Yes, Doktor Friday was an urban myth, a man who could cure the Techrot

[tame canopy]

I forgot, but what's his reputation in 1999?

holdup so he's known by a pseduonynm?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[tame canopy]

interesting.......

[tame canopy]

Good bit of diegetic storytelling btw

really cool :3

I dn't think I understand can you explain?

[tight pagoda]

December 31, 1999 is a Friday

Whoops sent the same screenshot twice

[cerulean kiln]

December 31st 1999 was a Friday

[tight pagoda]

And December 13th 2024 (the release date of the update) was also a Friday

[tame canopy]

oh yeah, Im noticing that indifference voice has a feminine accent right now

Like there's clearly a female voice speaking alongside a..... echoing effect 👁️

[cerulean kiln]

They can change voices

[tame canopy]

AOI SAVED YIPPE

[tight pagoda]

It's also ||using Rusalka as its host, so she'll possibly be the primary voice of the Indifference going forward||

[tame canopy]

Drifter gave her ability strength mod /j

[zenith jacinth]

He took over rusalka

[tame canopy]

Also besides the fact im happy she didn't died the previous gruesome death, it's great to see how she had her moment of realization saying oh then used her power more precisely by snapping the rods down then pulling them close to the connecting plugs lol

"None of this matters"
"Then why are you trying so hard to stop me?"
Now this is tuff

[zenith jacinth]

-# Drifter told her what to do/what to look for

[tame canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/baldi-baldis-basics-mogged-mog-rizz-gif-11774215665411580343

Also yeah, what's up with that, actually, for something named the indifference, they care an awful lot about us

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah wally is obviously losing but some people think he's being 100% truthful with lines like that

[tame canopy]

Like bro saying that all while he's constantly pestering us and mucking around our business

[cerulean kiln]

Indifference doesn’t mean you don’t care about anything

[zenith jacinth]

Oh I hope you play triumph of dust later

It is beautifully obvious that wally is not in the advantage there

[tame canopy]

I kinda already did but that was before knowing more of the story, so whatever I gleaned was from the dialogue

👁️ so not much context

Mostly cuz I stalled hex rankups : P

so eventually ran out of chat options to get chemistry up

[zenith jacinth]

Dew it again

[zenith jacinth]

Why

[tame canopy]

Long story short, I was floundering around with wf and wasn't confident I was strong enough to do it, until later on, I paired up with a buddy from my guild to clear up star chart and work on building loadout for SP

I unlocked that now, and I can tackle hex bounties on SP so I'd say im massively stronger now lol

[zenith jacinth]

SP is pointless to me

But good for you

[tame canopy]

Not to mention I was wondering about who to prioritize lol

which syndicates I mean

quills and lil duck for amps
fortuna for archgun / profit taker
zariman for incarnon
sanctum and hex for ETA/EDA

[zenith jacinth]

All syndicates aside from the earth ones obv

[tame canopy]

Im like, uhhhhhhhh, 1/3 in progression of maxxing out everyone ig

r4 quills, r2 duck and fortuna, r4 zariman, r3 sanctum and hex

Them vocas/voidplumes are killing me bruh

Even with buying one copy of each being around that's still taking ages compare to hex

hex is so damm easy its a relief

unlike sanctum and zariman, you earn standing by completing bounties, rather than being required to trade their loot for standing as the only means to gain them

massive QOL feature for me lmao

[tame canopy]

Did you know if you complete all nodes in a planet on SP teshin sends an email congratulating you with rewards like decos and 25 steel essenses?

DE PLEASE backport this to everyone else

Zamn we conjured a parazon for amir

Also I think before that, we induce calmness into amir and made him take a step back 👁️

WE DIRECTLY TRANSFERRED INTO ARTHUR

I see my arcane are still working lol

SEQUENCE COMPLETE

Pure comedy

drifter really went back to troll loid

I know loid was scared shitless when that vessel pulled up

Oh wow loop really is still ongoing

And rusalka's gone

Finally got to reading the emails and damm that poor band got it rough

Now I want to save them 👁️

I listen to party of a lifetime and the great despair and it's great lol

[tropic venture]

The Coda are not the actual On-lyne mutated, they're Techrot copies of the band

[tame canopy]

I mean that's still bad for the band, the email said they're being restricted

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[tame canopy]

I FINALLY KILLED THE CODA I GOT YAY

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Every warframe comes equipped with a parazon

[tame canopy]

Yeah but I didn't know protoframes got them, plus amir doesn't know so that's another ability they didn't know about themselves

[zenith jacinth]

Did you know that weapons like the epitaph are straight up stabbed through the wrist

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, cuz they’re learning still

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine using epitaph with a gemini skin

[tropic venture]

which is funny since it slots quite neatly into the gap in Sevagoth's skeletal forearms

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah but the other wrist guns don't

Maybe seva has the holes there bc of epitaph...

[tropic venture]

true that, ig Onos could, we just don't really see how exactly it attaches

[zenith jacinth]

The other one that looks like a battery also visibly just goes through the wrist

[tropic venture]

Sonicor I think?

[shadow sable]

so we should play 1999 with unmodded protoframes for the real experience

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Super tank v unmodded proto

Would augments be allowed since those are kinda just alternate ways to use the ability sometimes?

[cerulean kiln]

No, cuz they’re Augment mods

[celest hollow]

aoi experiences an owie after getting stuck under a metal truck

[tame canopy]

Don't worry, aoi post-hex quest should lift that ez

https://www.tumblr.com/popopoyotl/791459656842280960/to-add-another-thing-that-probably-give-the

Popopoyotl

🔁 runningwolf62

I think we need to discuss what The Hex looks like from The Scaldra side given they have no clue of anything regarding Warframes.

January 12th 1999, Viktor Vodyanoi is baffled that 50+ new members joined The Hex litterally overnight.

He has no idea which of them, if any, are the Drifter Nightingale keeps talking to on the coms.

popopoyotl

To add another thing that probably give the Scaldra nightmares....

Tumblr · Aug 10, 2025, 2:59 AM

Holy crap this is even better than I thought

We canonically use necramech in hollvania

like man, I think lore-wise, drifter can, and has, use basically everything from the operator's side and deploy it against techrot and scaldra lmao

https://www.tumblr.com/shetookamint/787395193449136128/andrastes-ankles-this-is-canon

the 1999 rabbit hole... it's so glorious...

I legit forgot Wisp canonically opens a portal to the SUN to blast people with

[celest hollow]

megabloke

[tame canopy]

So is that british superman?????

cuz vro, that name stinks lmao

[cerulean kiln]

Superman as a name also stinks

Both names are pretty bland

[celest hollow]

kent clarke

reason 3 million of why i love de ❤️ :

[tame canopy]

nah superman is basic but cool 🤫

he's the blueprint, that's why his name's simple

https://www.tumblr.com/worrywrite/776972171919671296/and-eventually-they-do-catch-the-drifter-in-a

Inkpot-Crackpot

🔁 shaw-punsexualnerd

runningwolf62

I think we need to discuss what The Hex looks like from The Scaldra side given they have no clue of anything regarding Warframes.

January 12th 1999, Viktor Vodyanoi is baffled that 50+ new members joined The Hex litterally overnight.

He has no idea which of them, if any, are the Drifter Nightingale keeps talking to on the coms.

thatanonymoussandwich

Oh my god this idea is so funny

shaw-punsexualnerd...

worrywrite

And eventually. They do catch the drifter in a corner.

"Viktor, that teenager that we thought was looking for Entrati is here. Just... Hanging around."

"I don't care about them! Toss them out of the city! We need to find this drifter. They're the key. They're why this all went wrong."

And then they knock the drifter out and leave them outside the city. Still alive. Just beat up. They immediately void sling back to the mall.

-# #warframe 1999 #viktor vodyanoi #warframe #scaldra #scaldra warframe

Tumblr · Mar 3, 2025, 5:06 AM

This post I disagree, cuz the concept of scaldra knocking out drifter at all is untrue 🤫

If only DE lets 1999 drifter have his melee at least lmao

Even if scaldra got nullifier tech that shouldn't mean shit lore-wise cuz we're that tuff

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter wouldn’t even use melee anymore cuz they have a frame for it

[tame canopy]

not to mention void sling FTW anytime drifter/operator gets cornered somehow

[tame canopy]

True....
1999 lets them do warframes so they don't even need to throw hands themselves

Also ngl, but now that I think about it, does viktor got any friends?

Like by now we know he's clueless about the hex and us, rusakla's gone entirely, so one of his top crews is gone

Oh oh! Imagine fully modded endgame warframes :>

Like the hex are protoframes and viktor and scaldra are still struggling against them

[cerulean kiln]

He has a cult

[tame canopy]

yeah but does that constitutes a meaningful relationship? Like does anybody likes him as a person and is not indoctrinated?

I mean he probably has subordinates and superiors

but arthur's diss on him being friendless in the tank mission just makes me curious lol

Reposting bro's constantly bulging eyes cuz it's so goofy I can't unsee it anymore

[celest hollow]

Viktor when his precious stormfall troops are getting hit with a miku miku beam

[misty veldt]

Honestly its a great reaction face I think

[undone lodge]

He’s also a really, really pompous prick

Obligatory reminder that this mf didn’t take his shirt off for like intimidation or sweat in the Albrecht interrogation scene, he just goes around like that sometimes according to Amir

As in, he goes shirtless on the active and infectious battlefield

[fading current]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0p5kJMGAWk

[hardy shadow]

oh wait so this isnt an isolated incident?
ive had cross-eyed alad v and big-eyed yonda

[tropic venture]

yeah several NPCs have scuffed eyes rn

[wild wind]

Super late but: it's implied by the Minerva/Velimir convos that Rusalka joined Scaldra because of him

[tight pagoda]

Pretty sure my Operator's eyes are scuffed too

She always looks surprised

I'm guessing they'll have that fixed by Old Peace since there's the Drifter/Operator appearance Rework. Hopefully they fix all NPC eyes with the update too

[sleek mantle]

Spoiler alert: Servers are down

[undone skiff]

nah thats a lie

[untold gyro]

Wonderful assumption, you must be a genius

Spoiler alert: Servers are not down anymore

👍

[soft lotus]

Wait so
Uriel's proto is an orokin, right?
Aren't we supposed to hate orokin guts?

[graceful zodiac]

We do, yes

[hearty pendant]

yes
mostly
entrati family are orokin, n we mostly get along

[graceful zodiac]

Well, most of us and most of them

[soft lotus]

The exception that proves the rule

[untold gyro]

especially with Daughter, we uhhhhh really like her

[soft lotus]

-# *mother

[untold gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/true-trueing-morgan-freeman-gif-13670948309525251322

[cosmic prawn]

Operator eyes are weird in the customisation menu because they always look at the cursor. I generally find they look a lot better in gameplay than the menu.

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but he'll likely have some sort of reason why we won't absolutely hate him

Since he's romanceable

[tight pagoda]

Nah ever since this update even during the "My Warframe is strong" transmissions her eyes are wide open

[zenith jacinth]

No

[zenith jacinth]

she
There's the reason, female operator and drifter faces all look murderous, traumatized or surprised or a mix of two or all

[tame canopy]

What?!

He legit goes shirtless in the techrot infested battlefield for the kicks? 👁️ bro is wack

[balmy storm]

You’re describing what would be a perfectly normal reaction for our tenno

[tame canopy]

I mean, yeah I don't blame the tenno for that, it's wild

We got this funny as hell snap back from TNW and I'd say it encapsulates my feelings on WF lore too ;ol

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-shadow-stalker-new-war-hunhow-gif-27625690

And of course, the reaction of all times from stalker xDDDD

[hearty pendant]

there's a reason exists

[rain otter]

We even killed Son's fiancé

[rancid pilot]

besides the Donda, is there any connection between Lyon and Rell?

[hearty pendant]

that we know of, just harrow. n that's a really loose connection
supposedly we might learn more about rell through lyon, according to rebb in the recent tactical potato interview/dev talk
which is interesting, given that an earlier interview claimed they had no relation at all

[balmy storm]

No

[balmy storm]

Wait didnt she say before he wouldnt

[hearty pendant]

that's what i thought, yeah
i'll try to find some quotes

[balmy storm]

Ty

[lean token]

I really hope descendia can be taken to archemedia levels of difficulty.
I want to test my whole build at level 400 without needing to do archemedia

[flat tree]

Ya'll are actually missing out this has lore

||Alad V is alive ||

[hearty pendant]

fortunately or unfortunately, remains to be seen
imo the biggest thing in there is that there's a possibility his storyline is rearranged/reworked

[south fable]

Lyon mention im here

[flat tree]

He's probably going to get the Nef Anyo treatment and se how he's going to go without all of his funding from the Board

[south fable]

Hes the goddamn cockroach of Warframe, you could hit him with a meteorite and he’d still come scurrying from under it

[hearty pendant]

i am not finding Anything on it. no confirmation one way or the other until this dev talk

[flat tree]

Profit and its benefits

[south fable]

I want whatever profits hes getting, the alad v anti death campaign would go hard

[flat tree]

As well from this we have

• 4!!!! New Warframes Ahead

• The old peace will teach us about another Tau and is the beginning of the next warframe's arc, "Tau"

• There will be a special feature for dating 1999 and the Triad at the same time, It is optional

[hearty pendant]

yeah, consent convos with the hex. optional if you Don't Care

[lean token]

Remember, according to DE
It isnt cheating if its time travel

[hearty pendant]

still kinda.. ehhh.

[lean token]

Its a joke lol

[undone lodge]

https://youtu.be/-U6gdyIqO2Q

[undone lodge]

You could throw him into Wally’s decayed universe stuff and he’d just come back as like, evil shitty Dante

[flat tree]

Plot armor known to only main characters

[wild wind]

I mean I kept telling people he wasn't dead

[flat tree]

To be fair

Almost everyone that wasn't up during the new war who was in the frontline either got veiled or died

And Alad was leading the charge on Neptune

[wild wind]

We spent years stabbing him in the face on general principle\

He's not dead until DE says he's dead and even then

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah but still

[prime gust]

mom ?

[fringe pond]

She does that

[prime gust]

Sometimes I play bugframe not warframe

[covert tree]

They are the same game you cannot have warframe without bugframe

[fringe pond]

True!

[tame canopy]

So uh
did I screw this one up?

💀 I can't tell cuz she's not using english

Ain't no way

this about quincy lmao

[undone lodge]

Yeah

“get out of here" or "get out of my sight"

[celest hollow]

I don’t even recognize that conjugation, im scared now

[shadow forum]

So i have a really interesting question, did harrow warframe many years holded man in the wall trapped.

[fringe pond]

Huh

[undone lodge]

Are you asking how many years HarRell dealt with Wally for?

[obtuse gyro]

from sometime after the Zariman returned to Chains of Harrow

[celest hollow]

Long enough to go mad

[shadow forum]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Sometime after the Zariman returned til we help him in Chains of Harrow

[undone lodge]

Somewhere upwards of 1000 years

[balmy storm]

Rell didn’t tho
He’s built different

[undone lodge]

Rell begins doing it and gets a warframe at some point in the OW time period, until a good bit after the Tenno Awakening, and according to Varzia the time between that is something around 1000 years

[inner hazel]

So it has come to my attention that apparently nightwave rewards DO NOT hide major story spoilers for new players and that makes me sad
https://youtu.be/EWokUPGTak4?t=230 (Timestamp linked)

[undone lodge]

The Orokin were playing God?

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[inner hazel]

but honestly it's pretty sad that he got spoiled with nightwave

[uncut solar]

Video isn't loading for some reason

What does it spoil?

[inner hazel]

its a new player so, the existence of tenno as an individual

[uncut solar]

Ah

[inner hazel]

thanks to the reward of the mask of the dead, it shows the mask on a generic operator

[balmy storm]

):

[gentle cape]

yup! it made me go (white man blinking.gif) too

like. yeah ok that might as well be a thing ig!

[gentle cape]

yeah i got upset seeing his reaction bc i was (still am) excited to see him do the second dream... he doesnt fully know whats going on so. the hope is still there.

but yeah the mask was just :/

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/white-guy-blinking-white-guy-blinking-wtf-gif-7831341

[still ferry]

hey, sorry for the necropost, but I was curious and trying to decypher it too, does this seem right:
?

[balmy storm]

I’m not really an expert when it comes to orokin text and translations, sorry

You could try cross referencing with what you got here with how we decipher orokin text

[still ferry]

I got stumped because some of the characters don't seem to exist in the cypher

this one specially

[celest hollow]

imagine it says nerd

[zenith jacinth]

Too many letters for that

[echo basalt]

probably just a static kill counter

[fading current]

do it

[quick mica]

Okay I just found out about Kullervo. Are there any other mood related and/or secret little grinds in the Duviri Paradox?

[celest hollow]

yes technically

not really a grind

[hearty pendant]

Kullervo is in 3 of the spirals (anger, sorrow, fear)
completing each Shawzin song on Virtuoso difficulty gives you a duviri-themed shawzin decoration (and to use in the emote). requires the songs on the archarbor (joy, envy, sorrow) and amphitheater (joy, envy, anger, fear) as well
there's the lost islands of duviri fragment/codex things scattered across the entire map

[celest hollow]

hmph

[wild wind]

Have you found the Duviri bow yet?

Also there's the other Duviri later...

Also it's not really a grind but every spiral has a different location with a unique NPC who is actually Wally

[celest hollow]

He just be laughing at our expense

Silly walter.

[wild wind]

We need a Wally emote

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[celest hollow]

no

t'would spoil events for the newbs

[tight pagoda]

ProtoFrames also kinda spoil things and they've got stickers

[celest hollow]

fair fair

what'd the emoji be? Wally smiling?

[shadow forum]

look at his 1 finger it got cutted down and used for railjacks lol

[wild wind]

yup

[shadow forum]

someone was a savage there for that one

[wild wind]

It's how you can recognize a Wally manifestation

[shadow forum]

was it entrati who cutted it

[tight pagoda]

Accidentally yeah

Wally was reaching out to him and a portal closed, basically Albrecht slammed the door shut on him

[shadow forum]

i wonder how that hapenned i hope they make a scene of that in old peace.

[flat tree]

And he never used continuity again

[flat loom]

There was that one wally fan art I've seen where it's tom hoskisson's art of galactus but it's wally

Wally but this for the emote

[golden flare]

Question! ||When Aoi asks if we think she’d be a good damsel in distress, what’s the best way to answer? Yes I’ll save you, or no you can defend yourself||

[flat loom]

I don't think I've ever encountered that chat with her, but I feel like she would like that you'd answer with "I'll save you" like she's the princess-y type girl

Hm, now that I think about it was it the one where she says "I think u'd make a good damsel in distress too"

[golden flare]

Gotcha gotcha!

[flat loom]

When you say you'll definitely save her

[golden flare]

Ok! I’ll say she can count on me to save her

[flat loom]

Yeees

You'll get a gold chat when she says of course

Also to be fair, drifter has been a damsel in distress for like several millennia lol

[golden flare]

IUUHMM
A blue teather just formed between me and her in a cutscene 👁️👁️

Did I just link with Aoi??

Was that a good thing?

[flat tree]

Oh right
So you need to get to trusted wth each of the hex which requires rank 3 of the hex

you need to get liked with all 6 members before you can revisit the new years tragedy

That link is you getting trusted

Make sure to give them gifts

[golden flare]

OOooh!! I just linked with Arthur now too! That was fast

Good to know!

[flat loom]

What I like about my chat with aoi are the one where she did q heart-to-heart with eleanor and the one with the necramech

[flat tree]

These KIM chats do more for making you care for the characters then any cutscene can do,

[wild wind]

yes exactly

[fierce kiln]

wally would be so much funnier if hed just pop up and give you the middle finger whenever you pick a choice he dislikes

[fading current]

Flare is a little sus from this last message of haunted Baro we got before he left lmao

[uncut solar]

The quizzes in duviri but instead of a red flash on the wrong answers it's a flash of wally giving the finger

https://tenor.com/view/cat-middle-finger-cat-middle-finger-middle-finger-cat-you-gif-14478278070473819982

[south fable]

Thats golden

[fierce kiln]

yes and its only for one frame

[fierce kiln]

and instead of the ominous laugh its AW HELLLL NAAAW

[south fable]

Father Lyon Allard, forgive me daddy for ive been bad or whatever you say to priests

[fierce kiln]

hes freakier he doesnt punish you he punishes himself

thurible whippings

[south fable]

Its amazing, mum says it’s my turn to whip harrow with the thurible

[narrow ore]

Yo how I do ths

I need to stun it but how?

Na it don't work BC I can't stun it

[cosmic prawn]

Press E when it's about to attack you.

[flat loom]

That's why I bought the cursed love making chair from minerva and velimir lmao, fricking wally pops in and out of the backrooms thru that love making chair alone

[tame canopy]

Pain, Agony even

[tame canopy]

Guess Quincy's taking up booty calls with civilians off screens lol (some kim messages does mentions the mall having civs and patients that Lettie treats)

[flat loom]

I sure loved it when civillians started appearing in the mall

Wish there were more, but hey civillians! Actual humans!

[night grail]

It was really neat

And it did help drive home the idea that the drifter and hex were making an impact

[tight pagoda]

At rank 5 ||the mall opens up to people and nameless generic NPCs fill the area up||

[tight pagoda]

Stun it by slinging into it

Same input as Bullet Jumping

[night grail]

They mention there being a camp set up somewhere outside but still near the mall iirc

[flat loom]

Those npc bastards want to ask out aoi too lmao

[night grail]

Not even because you can just double jump

[flat loom]

Haven't heard one about lettie tho

[fringe pond]

If you wanna be specific, Euleria did

[fringe pond]

To be fair, the cogna set didn’t either

It really just banks on a noob not paying enough attention
Which is what usually happens anyway

[quick mica]

Nope, but I guess I should look it up. And I can see the Isleweaver but haven't clicked it yet

[tight pagoda]

Cinta, random drops from the owl puzzles

[fiery turret]

What's a good subsume for Saryn

[fiery turret]

They are also scared of Lettie too iirc

[fiery turret]

Wrong chat mb

I just realised

[celest hollow]

they probably know that she doesn't need to heal them since they'll just return next loop?

like her rats

[flat loom]

As they should, she the true bruha despite calling eleanor one lol

[fiery turret]

She gets along with her more often in the end

[flat loom]

Bruja* mb, spanish and tagalog go a long way of sharing words

Same meaning anyway lol

[tropic venture]

afaik. only the Hex and Roundtable are aware of the Loop

[flat loom]

Truth, they're like besties they just don't agree to it both yet

[celest hollow]

the rats probs are also aware

[cerulean kiln]

And Albrecht

Maybe also Wally

[celest hollow]

definitely wally

ahhh it makes sense how the scaldra are still fighting against portable nukes

oh and the techrot/infestation remembers still

[flat loom]

If there's anything that the helminth can do, it's literally just be aware of any changes be it universal or just reality itself

[tropic venture]

Yeah, but I was meaning like of the people in the mall

[cerulean kiln]

Infestation casually ranking above time

[celest hollow]

infestation def overpowered

[uncut solar]

Rap tap tap

The man in the mall

[celest hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[flat loom]

Love the tidbit of seeing his cut finger

[celest hollow]

mhm his final signa has that ghost finger too

[quick mica]

Okay once I become friends with everyone (in hex) is there any reason to care about chemistry? I like still care but I just don't want to run everyone's boutnies everyday.

[balmy storm]

You dont need to run the bounties

You can just have convos and send gifts

[quick mica]

You can send gifts?

[balmy storm]

Iirc once you get to best friends and the convos stop you don’t have to do more

[balmy storm]

Yeah, go to their profile

[quick mica]

🤯 Wow I never noticed this. I just did bounties and talked to them.

[balmy storm]

Doing bounties every day for them is some dedication lol

Really put in the work for your new friends :D

[quick mica]

The bounty rewards are pretty good imo.

Gotta grind the low ones for Cyte Parts and stuff too

[uncut solar]

Just make sure to send what they would like

The profile overview has notes on it

[quick mica]

Yeah the profile has some nice notes to remember what people are about

[uncut solar]

There are also some gifts that would work only if a certain dialogue happens, contextually but without notes

You'll know

[quick mica]

Okay so... I'm just looking into Kuva Liches. It feels like this is the best place to spend my Void Traces I've ever seen. Cause getting your initial 8 (?) Parazon mods feels like the biggest hurdle.

[late loom]

https://tenor.com/view/peabody-sherman-warframe-hypnosis-hypnotize-gif-1539235486479045049

[wild wind]

if you go in with a group of four you are almost guaranteed a requiem mod even if you don't radiate

[quick mica]

Yeah I'm doing the group opens and we are getting 1 per but man the thought of missing would be awful

Those common drops are actual dog water

[wild wind]

no kidding

According to a friend, someone told Steve that he couldn't find any amber stars so Steve made sure they were in loot tables for a while

[flat tree]

I don't think i can run out of ayatan stars unless I collect way too many sculptures

[wild wind]

I know, it's baffling

[quick mica]

It is weird being annoyed at getting a rare drop

[flat tree]

I got boar prime stock over mag prime chassis

after 3 tries in a row

[wild wind]

one of the worst WF nights of my life was when my buddies and I were cracking for a common part and got literally everything else on the relic and had to quit the game because it wasn't happening

[clear topaz]

So uhh why the hell is GORDAN FREEMAN HERE

Ya know now it makes a lot more sense why the scaldra death sounds were so familiar

They sound like combine lol

[wild wind]

Half-Life changed the world in Warframe's 1999 too

[clear topaz]

Fr?

Is Half Life cannon lol

[wild wind]

[clear topaz]

Honestly pretty coooool

We need an excalibur skin that's just Gordan x3

Crowbar for an exalted blade

[flat loom]

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. We end as we began, Mr. Freeman.

[wild wind]

I liked the part where Wally said "Prepare for unforeseen consequences" and then threw a briefcase at the Lotus

[flat tree]

Holy crap the plot of 1999

[inner breach]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-finger-fisherman-sucking-gif-7875937907254449080

[quick mica]

Well probably 5 hours, or more, and I got my first Kuva weapon. That felt incredibly not worth it especially as I bought an Oull (which was worth it). At least I don't have to wait to craft it.

[wild wind]

what Kuva weapon?

Kuva weapons are basically "primes for other factions" with a level cap of 40 and a bonus element

[flat tree]

-# and also what bonus

-# if its impact 🥀

[wild wind]

Hey the impact ephemera is really cool

[flat tree]

thats only if you're grinding for it

I got impact on my kuva nukor as my first lich

🥀

[I didn't know progenitors mattered]

[wild wind]

See here's the thing

You're shooting punch energy at grineer by doing that

That's inherently funny

[quick mica]

I just grabbed the first one. Ogris (roll 52% fire so that is nice).

[wild wind]

Oh, that's basically one of the best you could get period

[quick mica]

The problem is I have a large arsenal already so this is just another thing to me. Maybe at a different point in progression it would feel good.

[wild wind]

Do you have the Nightwatch Napalm mod?

[quick mica]

Haven't heard of it. Is that the one people use in profit taker to pop the bubbles?

[wild wind]

As a LR4, when I got Nightwatch Napalm into Ogris it changed the entire game

no

Nightwatch Napalm turns Ogris into an area denial weapon

[quick mica]

Oh I need to just grind that one person for the mod, maybe this one was worth it but I really dislike long grinds that have basically nothing else the whole time. Maybe now that I have Oull and the mods already I could knock it out quick.

[wild wind]

or just trade for it

[quick mica]

I probably want a few mods from them anyways see if I get lucky.

[river musk]

yea

ogris is the best primary in the game

[crystal agate]

sobekcels stay seething

[tame canopy]

What just happened?

💀 please tell me I didn't misunderstood something again

Pog, good convo with amir yippe

[winged obsidian]

I don’t think so? Lettie was always more difficult for me because she felt harder to read at times, so I always felt like I messed up

[zenith jacinth]

Ok I won't

[tame canopy]

Bruh

[zenith jacinth]

Wait your sentence is wrong

[tame canopy]

👁️ lmao

[zenith jacinth]

You misunderstood smth again

[tame canopy]

Im pretty sure my sentence was gramatically correct...

Anyway, so lettie's kinda hard to read for me lol

[zenith jacinth]

"Tell me I didn't misunderstood smth again"

[zenith jacinth]

Same and I'm usually good at that

She's too normal

[tame canopy]

that's an expression of shock...

Like I just did a search for this and it is valid vocabulary

Ok moving on
So lettie's a lil hard to figure out for me so far i think

brb coop

Who theh elll is this

nvm its kuva lich

[tropic venture]

It's a Kuva Guardian

[undone lodge]

Its the fat elite bodyguards of the Queen (s)

Remember the invulnerable guys you had to void sling into?

[tropic venture]

They also spawn in Kuva Siphon/Flood as well as Kuva Survival

[soft pumice]

That's clearly a kuva guardian as the name says. They are all female and eat the leftovers scraps of the queens. They are all so supposed to be large and ugly to make the queens look better in comparison. Or is I have been told

[gentle cape]

shes too hard to read bc she doesnt even talk about anything ever (outside of religion) + 99% of what shes saying is in spanish... i just skipped her chats.

[cerulean kiln]

She’s easy though

Plus the stuff she says in Spanish she says the English word for either before or after

[real niche]

idk how anyone could find any of the Hex as difficult to read frankly

if you really wanna boil it down they've got like 3 personality traits. Lettie's is "rats", "stop doomspiralling" and "Call her out on her crap"

[flat tree]

Quincy:

[real niche]

He's the easiest to get along with if you're scuzzy, just flirt with him and he folds under no pressure lmao

[cerulean kiln]

Quincy is probably one of the easiest tbh

[flat tree]

I don't understand any of the slang

[cerulean kiln]

It’s not hard to learn British slang

[real niche]

Yeah and you don't need to if you just wanna get in his pants. He talks straight with you in the more emotionally charged convos like when he wants to hate you

[tropic venture]

How convenient that Drifter also doesn't and they have several chats where you can ask Quincy what he means

[real niche]

That too

[flat loom]

Aoi's also the easiest to click with

Every chat with her feels natural

Arthur fumbled that badly

[gentle cape]

use context. thats what i did (english isnt my native language & the only brit slang ik is "bruv")

as someone who cant read emotions through text at all, quincy was the easiest for me. hes very straight forward & yaps A Lot, enough for me to get a handle on what hes saying.

lettie on the other hand... yeah im just lost, even if she translates her spanish. idk what she wants me to say at all bc she gives me nothing to work with.

-# i also just really dont like her.

[cerulean kiln]

She gives you plenty to work with

[gentle cape]

i dont feel that way,, i think i just got lucky w most of her chats. i was just clicking buttons.

specifically: i was just clicking the first dialogue options.

[graceful zodiac]

If you're doing that I'm not sure what you would expect

[waxen blade]

Hey if you have the Warframe Jade, does Stalker still try to kill you when he spawns?

[graceful zodiac]

Not if there's a Jade, no

[waxen blade]

Ok bet

[flat loom]

He just drops whatever bp he'll drop, great whenever you're farming for him too

[undone lodge]

If the mission has a Jade he says “Never.” And despawns

[flat loom]

"never" like bro will not even lay a hand on the tenno even tho kiddo has a copy of his wife

[undone lodge]

Oh no just if you’re using Jade rn

Like he won’t fight his wife’s copies, we’re still fair game

[flat loom]

Ik, that's what I'm saying lol

[cerulean kiln]

He still fights the other 109 frames

[flat loom]

As he should, bro ain't going to pass that kind of beef

[gentle cape]

beefing w a bunch of kids, fully knowing theyre kids, is wild tho... granted 99% of it is just gameplay mechanics but its still funny.

[cerulean kiln]

Said kids are the reason he lost the only chance to save his wife

[tropic venture]

Said kids are also quite adamant about not wanting to be seen as just kids, both cause of how long they have lived and cause of how quickly they were forced to "mature"

[waxen blade]

I'm laughing at this and gonna try to get Jade later

Thanks to everyone who answered lol

[flat loom]

Don't forget to do kahl's mission to save the other guy that also unlocks a new node for you to farm motes on that you'll need to buy jade's parts from ordis

[gentle cape]

which guy??

[flat loom]

I forgot his name, but you gotta finish the first mission from kahl for him to appear in the drifter's camp

[tropic venture]

Chipper

[gentle cape]

said kids were also the one who saved his child.

the dynamic is so complicated but it can be safely labeled as "HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GONNA TEACH THIS OLD MAN?"

[flat loom]

Yes that guy^^

https://youtu.be/Vaql-xfmU-4?si=qWcZwN4UkbK1RPBU

Also if you can't find ordis in the drifter camp, here's a helpful guide because ordis is smol

As soon as you get out of your orbiter, go straight

[flat tree]

Please add Ordis and Kahl to the backroom

[flat loom]

Sucks that we can't contact them there at all

Cy just stays in the railjack too

[flat tree]

Add a stupid random terminal to the backroom to talk to Kahl and Ordis

[flat loom]

They left us arthur's damn pager and we can't even tinker with it for that 😭

[tropic venture]

Backroom doesn't even have an actual console for Railjack

You gotta go to the pause menu

[flat tree]

Extremely long Cutscene of going back to the main timeline and then to the Orbiter and then railjack

[tropic venture]

well I mean just a console to check the mods and intrinsics, like Orbiter has to the left of Navigation

[waxen blade]

Ive completed all the missions both side and main

[cerulean kiln]

Cy is the Railjack

[vocal tiger]

would be nice if the placable phone arthur gave the drifter was able to contact any npc within kahl’s camp

[vocal tiger]

well it is a railjack ai

[tropic venture]

it showed different messages leading up to 1999's release

[tropic venture]

*Cephalon, not AI 🤓

[uncut solar]

Orokin can't stand conventional technology

They tried it once and it became a slave race that revolted

[balmy storm]

They probably tried it way before the sentients were even a thought, hence why it was illegal

[tropic venture]

the Sentients were a hesitant creation because they already feared true AI, yeah

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-buisness-gif-26885105

[cerulean kiln]

Cephalons are just advanced computers

[tropic venture]

I mean, technically, if you count the human brain as a computer

[mint sundial]

My brain is a computer

[thick jolt]

But can it run doom?

[mint sundial]

Unfortunately no,

[thick jolt]

Aww

[mint sundial]

It only stores useful/useless info

[balmy storm]

Yes, remembering doom is running doom

[half light]

not quite. remembering doom is like watching a video, you're reproducing it not running it

[thick jolt]

Lol

[undone lodge]

Said kids were also also the ones who midwifed for the birth

[uncut ocean]

So I’m talking with flare on the KIM system, and they were talking about how someone they saw on the street and their identity issues. They specifically said:

||> you could have bounced a golden groat off that ass and gotten back two silvers and a bronzie||

is this a reference to something? i don’t know any phrase that’s remotely similar to this, nor what it means tbh

[rain otter]

Basically so tone that bouncing off a coin would give you change of the coin.

Like a quarter into 2 dimes and a nickel

[zenith jacinth]

Probably yes, the human brain is pretty powerful

[golden flare]

Question! When does the ||“ask out in a date”|| option appear for ||Aoi?||

[undone lodge]

It doesn’t

The actual date feature only comes with the Triad in Old Peace

If just you mean asking her out, like Chem 4-5?

Personally I’d recommend waiting to get the special convo where you can confess via KIM though

Since otherwise it’s pretty underwhelming

[hearty pendant]

yea the KIM convos that you can confess in are far more interesting

[undone lodge]

Also just as a heads up it takes a while for it to actually register

Like a couple of days

[tropic venture]

Taking them on dates is only for the Triad, not for the Hex

[rain otter]

Aoi and

Aoi and Quincy i think let you ask them out the fastest.

maybe also Amir.

but for Arthur

Lettie and Elanor it is

4-5

[hearty pendant]

yea iirc aoi, quincy, and amir are one chemistry level lower than arthur, lettie, and eleanor

[golden flare]

Wait, if you can’t ask any of the hex out, then what’s with the chemistry points?

[golden flare]

Oooh! Yeah that’s what I mean XD

[golden flare]

Gotcha! When’s that?

[thick jolt]

Depends on chemistry level and certain conversation options iirc

[tropic venture]

Chemistry is your relationship to them, which affects their dialogue and chats, as well as if you can date them

your max Chemistry and max Standing unlock eachother vice versa

need rank 2 standing for Chemistry level X, need Chemistry X for rank 3 standing etc.

[south fable]

Hang on you can ask th triad on dates? Was there a dev preview of this? What number I need to see thr is

[thick jolt]

Basically an interactive captura scene iirc
And depending on player reception they may expand that to the hex

Should be the latest devstream so october's

Since november's devstream will take a look at the other side of the update

[south fable]

Thank you so much I’ll have a look

[tame canopy]

oh sorry I was typing mid fight so didn't elaborate
i was asking who is giving me that kuva guardian prompt

Also idk, lettie feels the hardest for me to grasp, I think I grasped everyone else decently well, arthur as well

I'm at a point where arthur is candid to me about his gruffness and putting up walls

Although calling out that she's afraid of trusting people lead me to a convo where she admits that's the truth

[tame canopy]

So given what folks said, I suppose that's actually a good thing in the long run

[tight pagoda]

Level 20+ Grineer missions will suddenly flash lights. Killing enemies during that time can spawn a Kuva Lich Larvling and you'll get the transmission for that. Killing the Larvling will spawn a Lich.

[flat tree]

I actually got JUMPSCARED by actual humans dawg 😭

[wild wind]

Meet the Hex

[flat loom]

Wait till you hear their dialogues lol

[flat tree]

I did

https://tenor.com/view/kot-cat-uh-huh-reakcja-gif-6504404546294738355

[quick mica]

So Archon Shards... I really dislike how they display things.
A Tau Amber Shard increases Cast Speed by 25%? 12.5%? or is it 37.5 and 25% is the normal shard quality?

[obtuse gyro]

37.5

[south fable]

Holy crap the new Warframe update for the devils triad looks so good

Ive finally watched the dev stream but ooooh my lord

[tight pagoda]

And that's HALF the update

That's the SIDE CONTENT in the update

[quick mica]

After over a month of relearning the game, and entering Steel Path. I finally dealt 25% of the damage in a mission. No longer am I leeching! (I totally support people coming in and not dealing 25%)

[south fable]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-fell-gif-19263574

Calling my boss, im off December, im sick, im actually dead that month, sorry, paid leave, maternity or something

[celest hollow]

chat we are so getting "laid off" from work next update

[thick jolt]

?

[flat loom]

Drifter's gonna come with

[tight pagoda]

Taking so much PTO to play Warframe they fire us

[fading current]

I just started a new job and they asked if I had any vacations or appointments set that they need to be aware of for the next month and I just said “my family’s going on a trip but we haven’t figured out the date yet. We’ll find out at the end of November wink”
Boss just went “sounds great just let me know so I can make sure you’re off”

[tight pagoda]

I'm starting a job, it's casual but has mandatory full time training for a few weeks— but I'm pretty sure it'll end by the time Old Peace comes out.

[twin citrus]

||Me questioning how large Jade's wingspan is.||

[gentle cape]

large enough to cover a full pregnancy

[near cosmos]

We'll all pray for you

🙏

[rain otter]

pretty big cuz they like enwrap her whole body

when you aren't doing this.

[twin citrus]

I'm assuming she has six wings

[golden flare]

Back for another KIM question! ||Elenor, she talked back at Arthur, knowing his thoughts on Aoi. My drifter wants to know more, and now Elenor is worried we enjoyed her humiliating Arthur
Which option do I pick??
“I’m asking because I like the guy” or “Yikes, That wasn’t my intention, I just wanted to know how someone like that reacts to being confronted”

I’m not picking the “I am enjoying it” option because I wanna stay friends with Eleanor ||

[rain otter]

okay i wanna make sure you got the all conversations on but i can check now.

[golden flare]

Hm? Wuddya mean?

[rain otter]

okay so

in the pom PC you can click the gear to get all conversations

even if you rank up the hex to a higher friendship.

BUT don't do that now.

[golden flare]

Why? I haven’t touched the gear yet because I dunno what it does

Never once

[rain otter]

i'm asking what because i like the guy"

is what you should choose.

But i saying not to do it now to not mess up your current convo.

But turning it on gives you more conversations with the hex basiclly.

[golden flare]

Oooh I see I see, I didn’t know that was an option! I thought you had one go for every time

So I should pick “I like the guy”?

[rain otter]

yes.

[golden flare]

Aight! Thank you!

[rain otter]

also the setting option has different backgrounds and such.

[golden flare]

Cool!

[twin citrus]

True

[pastel pasture]

as i reach the end of KIM chat content guideless I gotta say

I messed up every single conversation except for Temple's and maybe Kaya's.

[tight pagoda]

Well in 19 hours you can begin again

[undone leaf]

I just noticed this when did the thumb disappear

And the signa from 8 claw is only missing one finger

[undone leaf]

Its been missing since at least the conclusion of the new war

[obtuse gyro]

Or perhaps, since when albrecht first met wally

[undone leaf]

No i meant the one we had in the reliquary is gone, the man in the wall lost 2 fingers when he met Albrecht, one was in the reliquary, and one is on the zariman

[obtuse gyro]

lol no

The one in the reliquary is still there, its just the VFX covering it

the one on the zariman is a copy of the original finger

the reliquary drive's finger is also a copy

[undone leaf]

Interesting

Ill review albrechts notes again

Are we able to visit the room where it happened

@obtuse gyro

[night grail]

No

[undone leaf]

Dang

[night grail]

This is just a visual bug afaik

There should be a key in the socket with arboriform poking out the other end

Which reveals the finger within

[undone leaf]

Ok

Interesting, albrechts notes dont actually describe the events of the closing of the portal

[obtuse gyro]

are you reading the right notes?

Because theres two sets of them

[undone leaf]

these ones

Where's the other set

[uncut solar]

Old computer inside the sanctum

[undone leaf]

Those also dont say anything about the moment the finger was severed

[night grail]

Weird

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, what are you trying to find?

because we have the door closing

and we have albrecht describing what he "saw" right after

[flat tree]

What is weird?

[night grail]

That nikana skin is Not Correct

[undone leaf]

Huh? But the runes on the wall skip from "close the door" to "no one believes i saw it"

[obtuse gyro]

For with each passing day, there grew within a tumorous idea. It was minute in those early days: the pale reaching digits severed on the floor… studied with reverence, with greed.

[undone leaf]

Wait did they move around when the sanctum opened

Yeah but it doesnt describe the moment they were cut off

-# i actually have a reading disability be patient with me pls

[obtuse gyro]

And you need that moment for what exact;y?

[undone leaf]

Curiosity

[obtuse gyro]

uhuh

[undone leaf]

I wanna know exactly what happened

Also why did no one believe him when he literally had a piece of the thing

[obtuse gyro]

but to anyone else he could have gotten that finger from anywhere

hell it looks like his own finger

and when everyone looked no one could find what he was talking about

and its not that no one believed him

its specifically that no one could ever find what he was talking about

[undone leaf]

Honestly it does kinda track for the orokin to not worry about where the missing link to using void as a means of well everything came from tbh

[rain otter]

I mean I think people believed him. He wrote a book about it. Just no one saw him.

But Albretch.

Until is and Rell and then Rell basically held him down through pure willpower from when the tenno came out of the Zariman till we free him. @undone leaf

[undone leaf]

Fair

Am getting eepy

[rain otter]

Just reminder that like

he was the only one

to see wally and even then ONLY THE ONCE

even then he still wrote a book him and his dauther wrote books on the void and space time and the pearils of the void. @undone leaf

[quick mica]

Okay so I'm telling Quincy the worst thing I (as the drifter) have ever done. I'm trying to remember what all happened that I (the player) know of. The accident happens at the Zariman, Void infects... everyone? Or is it just the adults. Then the drifter ends up by themselves in this timelines? Are they basically the only teeno in that universe? And no one gets them. I'm just trying to remember.

I'd post this in lore but I don't know what the spoiler limit is in that channel

[hearty pendant]

just the parents, at first. maybe other adults
drifter is not saved, the rest of the children are
no limit on stuff in the lore channel, just be wary of people who may have done less

[quick mica]

Oh so in the prime universe the children are all saved and become the teeno (this is what the operator's lore is)
But in the other universe the drifter was just forgotten/not noticed? when everyone else was being rescued

[tame canopy]

hostage facts convo, I accidentally trauma dumped arthur

I should have picked the kaithe one lmao

[hearty pendant]

operator and drifter's deals are just semantic differences
one of the zariman tablets in duviri says something like "I said I'd save all of them. Never said I'd save you."
operator's deal included them, drifter's didn't
operator got the void powers and was rescued, drifter got neither and had to CE duviri to escape

[quick mica]

Oh interesting. I figured Drifter was some cosemic balancing force of the alternate of Wally's deal wit the operator. But them both having made the deal is very interesting.
So wait. Do we know how Wally saved them? Like did all the Teeno just get void blipped back to safety? And so the drifter was the only child in a ship full of void mad people? Or was it tilting fate to have the Orokin (I am a little confused on who was around) to find the Zariman.

[tame canopy]

Got myself a full set of coda gear just for the sake of having them lol

Question do faction gear like kuva/coda/tenet stuff make it to duviri sprial?

[quick mica]

If the non-faction/prime one is selected and you have the advanced one you get the advanced one instead.

To my understanding

[hearty pendant]

we don't know if wally had anything to do with the zariman's eventual return to origin, just that he definitely gave the kids void powers to deal with the parents that he made go mad, though the orokin did find the children on the ship once it was back
yea, drifter was alone. i think a couple other chats mention the angels stalking around when duviri was CE'd

[tame canopy]

Wdym advanced one?

[quick mica]

I just mean faction or prime

[tame canopy]

afaik if u got a prime that takes priority over base always

[quick mica]

Yeah

[celest hollow]

prime variants show up if you have them

[hearty pendant]

it gets weird when they have multiple variants

[celest hollow]

latron :3

[quick mica]

Yeah I was sort of wondering this one lol

[tropic venture]

It's a loophole in the Deal's wording, and it's still unclear why exactly Wally did it like that

"All of them." (including you)
vs.
"All of them."

[tame canopy]

Yeah like there's several variants out there, prisma, wraith, allt he factions ones, idk how duviri selects them

[quick mica]

Okay so A: Wally caused the void madness to destroy the Zariman?
B: Wait if the Zariman in the prime universe just ends up back in the Origin System. Does that not happen in the drifter universe? If so how are the other children saved for the deal?

[hearty pendant]

something about "two children raised in identical environments being so different" or whatever he's yapping about in isleweaver

[tame canopy]

Ideally I want faction ones to show up cuz they're powerful even unbuilt lol

[tropic venture]

yeah he clearly caused the paradox for a reason, it's just not sure exactly how he'd benefit from it atm

[quick mica]

Yeah I just originally assumed Wally just didn't visit the Drifter. And that was the divergence very different that Drifter has been screwed over (to an extent) by Wally.

[quick mica]

Okay so I need to play Isleweaver (I've been putting it off so much to do)

[tropic venture]

oh nah Drifter did take the Deal "too" (quotations since at that point in time Drifter and Operator weren't separate beings)

[quick mica]

It is kind of funny that the "dating sim" part of the game is doing a great job of filling in lore for me.

[hearty pendant]

we don't really know why he made the parents go mad. curiosity, getting back at the orokin, whatever.
whatever happened in drifter's reality isn't super important, as they're in this one now. its possible that reality collapsed down to just duviri at some point

[tropic venture]

It's a smart way to give exposition in a way that doesn't feel out-of-place

Drifter is explaining to the Protos, but also to the player

[hearty pendant]

my favorite random tidbit from the chats is ostron numbers/counting

[tropic venture]

before 1999 a lot of people believed Drifter did not take the Deal

[quick mica]

Well I'm just in the weird position of having not played for like 5 years so a lot of the lore I've forgetten or is out of order in how I experienced it lol

[tropic venture]

yeah it's a cool bit of small characterization to show that we actually learn the languages

[quick mica]

I mean isn't the Zariman from the Drifter universe? I mean I guess it could just be a void manifestation.

[tropic venture]

There is no "Drifter universe". Warframe has only Reality and the Void. That's it

[tame canopy]

Ok so rn I got coda mire and mire, does coda mire shows up from now on or nah?

[flat tree]

what the mcbricks

[tropic venture]

Less-so timelines as it is a singular kaleidoscopic time

[south fable]

The holy fridge door is open

[hearty pendant]

Drifter's Zariman can be seen in duviri, Operator's shows up in origin
but they're also in the same place, plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane

[flat tree]

It's not suppossed to be grey neither play music 😭

[tropic venture]

which is a very muddy way to explain it but my core point is that there's not multiple "versions" of the world or like a multiverse

[hearty pendant]

that sounds like normal duviri door shenanigans tmk

[quick mica]

Coda shows up now

[tropic venture]

it'll show Coda Mire

[quick mica]

Okay but to this point the drifter only exists then because they got split while in the void. They weren't pulled from an alternate universe. They were just in the void. (this is a question more than a statement)

[tropic venture]

Yes, that is correct. Operator and Drifter only exist as separate beings while in the Void. In Reality they cannot both exist at the same time

it's why 1999 works, since that is simply the ancient past

[hearty pendant]

they occupy the same slot in spacetime
one can watch the other from a void pocket and make thoughts and feelings known, but not much else

[tropic venture]

the only times we've seen Operator and Drifter next to eachother has been on the Zariman, in Duviri and in the Indifferent Gorge

in Reality they exist as one, somewhat sharing eachother's sensations and memories

it's a weird in-between of being fully singular and fully split

[quick mica]

Are they like tranferencing into reality?

[tropic venture]

Not really

[quick mica]

Cause I thought Drifter mentions to one of the Hex that the Operator was just chilling with the Cavia

[tropic venture]

in TNW they synced up, leading to this shared singular existence in Reality

yeah, which is just the far future from 1999

They can both be in Reality at the "same time" because it is not actually the same time

Drifter was in 1999 eons ago when that took place

[quick mica]

Oh in a more literal story sense Drifter went to 1999 and Operator is actually hanging out in the... present? But we experience this (as the player) as using the computer to send text messages.

[tropic venture]

in the actual present Drifter is technically in the shared Reality existence with Operator "taking the lead" so to speak

[tropic venture]

essentially yeah

since in terms of actual time 1999 has already happened long before the game even starts

[tame canopy]

Pog as hel

[hearty pendant]

time travel is weird, as it always is
drifter is "simultaneously" doing stuff in 1999 while operator is probably doing old peace shenanigans, tmk

[night grail]

Hi so, no not really. IIRC KIM tells us that the zariman is this nexus of possibilities (which also is a lore reason for the tileset being randomly generated) of different versions. AND that the drifter doesnt really know what happened to their zariman exactly. Its kinda both in duviri and is in duviri

[quick mica]

I mean either could be the lead right? That is kind of the player choice of the reality they hold? For some people the Operator is in the lead?

[tropic venture]

Some quests use a specific one

Jade Shadows is Operator, The Hex is obviously Drifter, Lotus Eaters is both

Old Peace's two sides are for each person

[hearty pendant]

oh, does Jade Shadows force operator?

[tropic venture]

Drifter goes to XX99 with the Devil's Triad, Operator is in the present remembering their past in the Perita Rebellion

[tropic venture]

It does, yeah. Drifter has only ever truly met Stalker during TNW

[hearty pendant]

interesting

[quick mica]

Yeah the Stalker doesn't have beef with the Drifter (I assume)

[quick mica]

So in a way we are piecing together what has already happened from the past?

[hearty pendant]

beyond being tenno, not really
n even then, drifter didn't kill the orokin
though idk if stalker would really care for the difference

[tropic venture]

The way I like to describe it is; Operator is remembering the life they lost, Drifter is experiencing the life they missed

[hearty pendant]

yeah, old peace is the operator reliving memories of the old peace in the weird pool
though drifter is actually travelling to 1999 n XX99

[tropic venture]

Unknown when XX99 actually is

could be before 1999, could be after

[night grail]

Also not really. Eternalism says that Lintana's parents will live and die. She gets assigned to a reality, but the other is also real and theoretically accessible. The Drifter would have existed regardless, but them being in the origin system is due to Void shenanigans.

Correct in that they werent pulled from their reality, they simply found a way out into the Operator's during a period that the Operator was not present.

[tropic venture]

yeah Reality can't handle both existing since there is technically only one existing

the loophole for that is having both exist as one

[flat tree]

I thought it was just a really large ship

[tropic venture]

It was a massive ship with a Reliquary Drive, the accident was a failed Void Jump

it was gonna do an unprecedented Void Jump all the way to Tau

[night grail]

He doesn't afaik but we don't really know why. We do know stalker is playable in duviri for some reason (other than just because its cool)

Like stalker still doesnt love the drifter they arent besties but he's not immediately a day one hater

[tropic venture]

and tbf after Jade Shadows Stalker's continued hostility towards the Operator isn't really personal anymore, it's moreso just based on principle

[graceful zodiac]

They call it a nexus point with the Holdfasts, which is more flowery language than lore, but you can use it

[night grail]

Yeah after jade shadows stalker has also mellowed out a lot (after hunhow's plead)

[hearty pendant]

Stalker's most aggressive action towards drifter was just pulling them around with Hate iirc
outside of gameplay at least

[tropic venture]

yeah Zariman is a weird in-between where the rules of Reality and Void kinda mix randomly

[hearty pendant]

fits for being stuck halfway between them

[quick mica]

It actually makes a lot of sense that the Stalker helped the drifter but wouldn't have helped the operator now that I think about it.

[night grail]

Yeah its in the Albrecht Membrane so its got void leaking in and being screwy

[flat tree]

So there are just a ton of alternate realities?

[night grail]

None that we know of or matter

Again its all theoretically accessible but NOTHING going on rn gives us a reason to even think about trying

[tropic venture]

Yonta says "the Albrecht Membrane" is what's stopping leaks from happening, so the leading theory is that Albrecht Membranes are a sort of Void-sealing technology used to prevent Void contamiation

[tropic venture]

there is only Reality and the Void

[night grail]

Its a surface tension thing but some things within still get out

[tropic venture]

Reality has strict rules, Void has strict but different rules, the two don't perfectly intersect which can lead to weird interactions when crossing between

[quick mica]

Okay yeah so the whole eternalism thing made me think that the Drifter was just from another reality. As it was a narrative thing to show the splitting of a person in two with a single point. We don't have access to it (really), but it does exist.

[graceful zodiac]

They technically are, yes

[night grail]

They are two but they are one

Dualism

[tropic venture]

it's kinda like
we are based in Reality
looking at us from the Void is like a prism or kaleidoscope; we see many slightly different reflections of the singular thing
the Deal seems to have made all those reflections identical

except for one

[hearty pendant]

i mean, it seemed like the operators in the other "timelines" died, only two were left

[graceful zodiac]

It's the popular belief, though there's no confirmation

[tropic venture]

and now after TNW all the reflections are both the identical ones and the single remaining different one

[night grail]

Afaik the deal collapsed all possibilities into two: they were saved. Or they weren't.

[graceful zodiac]

Maybe

[tropic venture]

but the thing being reflected is still just one single thing

[graceful zodiac]

But yes, all we have for sure is that Operator and Drifter were the same person up to the Deal, and then split with one getting saved and the other stranded

[night grail]

Is this not confirmation

A little indirectly

[graceful zodiac]

Indirect, yeah. I missed a lot of the Isleweaver lines

[tropic venture]

it's kinda like each reflection is now one of those images that look different from the left than the right

forgot what they're actually called

[night grail]

Indirectly but still pretty concrete

[quick mica]

Okay I'm love the discussion on Eternalism. But I'm gonna drag it back to why I asked this. I'm telling Quincy how the Drfiter's parents died. And at that point I don't understand fully what reality is for the Drifter. There is some point of "Made deal with Wally", "Zariman goes upside down", "All the other children are saved" that happens to Drifter and I'm a little confused on order and how it all happened. Cause that affects how I (the player) am going to express how I (the drifter in the past) would have handled the situation.

[graceful zodiac]

The experience for the Drifter is the same for the Opertor to that point

Parents went crazy and had to be put down

[tropic venture]

Zariman's jump fails and the ship is stranded in the Void
Adults go feral from Void exposure
Children hide to survive
Wally appears to us and offers us the Deal
We accept it
We and all the other children get control over the Void (everyone but us get control over the Void)
We're now forced to kill the feral parents with our newfound powers (we have to watch as the others kill the feral parents with their newfound powers)
We live with our newfound "family" of fellow children (we're left alone and can't find anyone else on the ship)
The ship returns to Reality and we are rescued (we escape on our own into the Void, unintentionally forming Duviri)

parentheses being the Drifter

[quick mica]

Okay I don;'t think that is true because it gives me these options to tell Quincy:

Now maybe Drifter is putting weight differently on their actions to where it could be true

[tropic venture]

player choice like in certain quests. Most choices like that have no single canon answer

only one I can think of that does is the one at the end of Whispers

[night grail]

Theres an indeterminate amount of time between the parent thing and the drifter being left alone

[graceful zodiac]

the choice of killing your parent's is up to you, semi based on your choice from War Within

[hearty pendant]

tbf you don't need the void powers to kill your parents, just makes it a lot easier

[graceful zodiac]

Your options are purely how deep you think you would be involved in putting the parents down

[tropic venture]

the important part is that Drifter never got the powers and didn't return to Reality with the others (well technically they did but as the Operator)

[quick mica]

Yeah and like this is how I'm a little confused. Cause IF the timelines are the same for the Drifter and Operator until after this point (cause the children are saved after) then I know how to answer. But I don't know how the other children were saved exact to cause the Drifter to be alone.

Also does the Drifter not get void powers in the Zariman? (as a child)

[night grail]

Its the same until the deal. THAT is the divergence point

[tropic venture]

The powers were from The Deal

[night grail]

They either got powers or they didn't

[tropic venture]

Drifter just didn't get the powers

again, the loophole in wording

All of them vs. All of them

[night grail]

We dont know how the other children were saved but the drifter was left by themself. We just know that it did happen

[quick mica]

I mean I wasn't sure if Wally just blipped away all their friends and left Drifter alone to kill literally the entire Zariman crew OR if Wally just didn't give the Drifter powers.

[tropic venture]

when the Zariman returned to Reality with the children it was as if it had never left, so it seems Wally did some spring cleaning

[tropic venture]

I kinda view it as
Drifter does not get powers
Slaughter starts and the other children with us go out into the ship
Eventually it quiets down and Drifter just cannot find anyone anywhere, as if they'd all just disappeared

[graceful zodiac]

No, the Zariman had damage, Margulis says as much

[hearty pendant]

and eventually the angels are closing in, and drifter escapes to duviri

[quick mica]

Okay I'm also confused cause I assumed their ability to make duviri was void powers lol

[tropic venture]

yeah it almost seems like while there is only one Zariman, the Zariman that temporarily returned to Reality with the children was a different "reflection"

[tropic venture]

That was caused by Conceptual Embodiment, which is just a universal concept not directly tied to our powers

as Yonta describes it "When Void and consciousness meet, a thing is born."

The Void Duviri was born from the Drifter's memories of the storybook "Tales of Duviri"

[quick mica]

Okay so like everyone has some level of void powers then? The Teeno just got a jump start of how to do it?

[hearty pendant]

its more of something tied to the void rather than tied to a person
extreme emotion + the void tends to create things
the tales of duviri was a book given to the children to help them keep their emotions in check
ironic, then, that a scared child ends up focusing on it so much that it becomes real

[tropic venture]

we have control over Void

Void still exists as a force that can influence anyone/thing

[night grail]

No. Conceptual Embodiment is what happens when extreme emotions meets Void. It creates. It is not a power it is a phenomenon

[quick mica]

Okay but like me striking two pieces of flint together creates a spark. My ability to do this consistnently is me having control over making a spark.

[tropic venture]

it's like a chemical reaction but in the Void rather than Reality

[tropic venture]

It's more like how liquid becomes gas when heated

Consciousness can become a thing when Voided

[night grail]

You can create consistently but you cant control the outcome

[tropic venture]

Boiling water would be like intentionally exposing objects with strong emotions tied to them to the Void

the actual reaction itself isn't something you directly did, it's just how the world works

Cavalero accidentally embodied the Incarnon Adapters when he was theorizing on how Void could augment other weapons like it did with the ceremonial weapons aboard the Zariman

[quick mica]

Sure but a person researching this could create consistent ways to create certain results. And knowing that the void reacts means you as someone in the void being chased by angels could just force yourself to freak out more (you might already be) to try and for Conceptual Embodiment. You might not have good contorl over it but you could foce it.

[tropic venture]

Yes, that is true. You can light a fire without being a fire-bender

[flat tree]

How did Erra get their hands on the sentient beasts?

Why did nobody just pick them up in the years between the old war and now?

[tropic venture]

The Beasts fought and fell in the Old War, it's still unclear when they did this and what convinced them to join the fight

[quick mica]

Okay so I can stop leaving poor Quincy on read. The Drifter as a child with no power probably either did a or b, but c is taking responsibility for it (due to the deal)? In our current understanding of the lore

[tropic venture]

It's also unclear when the Archons were made

if it was in the past or just recently

[hearty pendant]

they were,, somewhere in the origin system. and there's no shortage of archon shards. apparently.

[tropic venture]

Seems to be something like that, yeah

[graceful zodiac]

Archons are old war

[tropic venture]

They are "abominations of the Old War", which could mean either that they were created during the Old War, or created as a result of the Old War since that's where the Sentient Beasts would have fallen

[flat tree]

I imagine they are naturally made or manufactured

No way in hell they just have a seaload of archon shards

[quick mica]

It honestly doesn't seem that bad now that I understand the Drifter didn't have super powers lol. Hey my void juiced friends murdered my parents is kind of understandable

[tropic venture]

still kinda messed up since said parents were feral beasts trying to kill you

[quick mica]

Yeah but this is uppose to be a secret that would make quincy hate you.

I feel like knowing that is how the convo start I might answer c.

[graceful zodiac]

And every level of involvement with how your parent's died is screwy

Either you let them die or were directly involved

[quick mica]

Yeah but I let my parents be killed by demigods isn't really that bad of thing IMO

Like what you gotta get void blasted by your demigod friend?

[graceful zodiac]

It's absolutely still a bad things, it's morally off to just stand by and let, presumably, parents you love die or be locked away

[undone lodge]

It’s multiple versions simultaneously

[graceful zodiac]

We had very good reason, and it's entirely reasonable to, but it's still a bad look

[hearty pendant]

i mean, locking them up wouldn't be an option at all if your void-powered friends killed them anyway
it sounds more like a "i can't, someone else needs to"
whether due to emotional attachment or No Void Powers

[quick mica]

Oh yeah I guess the "stood by and watched" implies not even trying to stop.

[tropic venture]

Even if you had no choice, it's still your parents who clearly loved you

[quick mica]

I mean in that moment I don't know if they clearly loved you, as they were probably trying to rip you (and others) apart (I assume)

[wild wind]

adding to this, the Operator and the Drifter have the same Zariman, because their timelines split in the void

[tropic venture]

loved

[wild wind]

The closest thing to the Drifter's Zariman is Duviri itself

[quick mica]

Oh true, need a past past tense phrasing (in the past they in the past had love for you)

Okay so I answer C and it is very much impied I (the drifter) was given void powers and killed my parents

[wild wind]

The Drifter's personal timeline is odd because of that, yeah

[wild wind]

There are a few things that don't entirely gel with what we know

Because the Drifter DID make the deal with Wally, but Wally is the one who ensured they never escaped the Zariman

[quick mica]

Yeah I just assumed Drifter had void powers but wasn't saved

(now that i know that is the pinch point between Drifter and Operator)

[wild wind]

What's interesting is that there are a few lines during Duviri Paradox that are weirdly suggestive

Like, "Drifter has memories of being the Operator" suggestive

[gentle cape]

oh??

[wild wind]

There's a bit when you're in Teshin's cave where you have to inspect some points of interest, one of which is the Narmer mask

Teshin: "Through the eye of a storm… I'm not sure if I was dead or alive at the time. You?"

Drifter: "Huh, it's been too long for me. Maybe I was on that ship… or maybe… the same way you did."```

which is a reference to the end of New War part 1

so if you wanted to compound space trauma, the Drifter could be a version of the Operator who split off during the Zariman timeloops in your headcanon

[hearty pendant]

sounds more like drifter just not knowing how they got there than actually recalling the void portal imo

[wild wind]

That's why it's suggestive

I don't think that's what it's supposed to be, but the door's deliberately opened to it

and it makes for an interesting story in its own right

[jade geyser]

Salve ho un problema con una missione se come ho fatto la missione per la cellula cardiaca viva ma lo ho ricevuto come mai?

[wild wind]

Wrong Discord, this is English-only.

hay otros Discords que son para otras idiomas

[quick mica]

... Why Adaptation not work with Overguard? -1 Forma

[gentle cape]

overguard removes any status effects & cc iirc

[tropic venture]

Adaptation is just damage resistance, does nothing for status effects

[uncut solar]

Probably balancing for the fact it gives you status/knockdown immunity

Damage redirection still works though

And that you can stack it with outside sources that aren't frame reliant

(secondary fortifier)

[tropic venture]

yeah it's kinda like instead of innate damage reduction as the other healthtypes, Overguard has status effect reduction

[uncut solar]

It's simply more accessible and more powerful

Anyone can slap fortifier and survive somewhat with it

(I really need to build one of those...)

[wicked iron]

Wasn't it already said that Drifter is the version of the Operator that never got out of the Void in the first place?

[real niche]

Yeah

[half light]

is the first line a reference to something ?

idk why but "x doesn't bother me any more" sounds so familiar

[obtuse gyro]

you thinking for frozen?

[half light]

the disney movie ? only seen it twice and in spanish

is that like part of the lyrics of a song in it or smth ?

[obtuse gyro]

"The cold never bothered me anyway"

[uncut solar]

I don't think so

He's just protected from radiation poisoning thanks to the solaris body

If you know what they are like under the hood

[thick jolt]

Between augmentations and special hivemind shrooms i would expect radiation to not be a bother anymore lol

[thick jolt]

Ba dum tss

[flat loom]

Random thought, I like how Drifter just did two loops, one is duviri(their past before they meet operator) then now 1999 a different timeline

[tropic venture]

1999 is not a different timeline, it's just the ancient past

[cerulean kiln]

1999 isn’t a different timeline

Time travel doesn’t automatically mean you went to a different timeline

It’s time as in from future to past

[tropic venture]

technically the loop ended eons ago, we're just trying to make sure it's a favorable ending

which the Hex Finale is us sorta succeeding at

[flat loom]

Oh right mb not a different timeline

Ykw, I gotta replay the quests again, been so long since I came back I need a refresher

[wicked iron]

May as well wait for the next update for the face updates!

That's what I'm doing, anyway. XD

[flat loom]

RIGHT?! I'm taking as many 'before' photos just before the 'after' comes

[wicked iron]

I should do that too, come to think of it lol

[flat loom]

YEEEES FOR THE MEMORIES

[wicked iron]

Oh, I hate how mine looks.

Never got him to look at all decent, for what I was going for lol

[flat loom]

Oh, it can't be that bad I'm sure

Hell, I just tried making a decent fashion cause I'm bad with faces in general

This was taken right after I found out you can't have operator in the backrooms lmao

[abstract nymph]

Is there anything special about Janus Vor's 2nd phase? Twice now, after dealing just fine with the fight in phase 1, I've stepped into the arena with him, gotten close, and just got 1 shot through full Shield of Shadows + Health Conversion + max stack Arcane Blessing's 2k HP. I cant even tell what I'm doing wrong, cause I just die.

[zenith jacinth]

...

That's the worst possible eleanor fashion with the "exposed" shoulders

[zenith jacinth]

When I see my operator I feel the urge to Yeet the Child™ so I completely stopped even updating his fashion

[half light]

you're gonna have to get into it for the old peace

[zenith jacinth]

Yea but he's gonna be updated then

I don't like current operator faces