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[tropic venture]

127 and 747 are probably my favourites, both are a good mix of range and AoE

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FxTwitter · Oct 28, 2025, 7:00 PM

[quick mica]

Okay to equip a heavy weapon for deployment. Do I have to use the gravmag on something? The Mausolon already has it so.... If I don't need to I'd rather not burn it

[balmy badger]

You need a Gravimag installed on a weapon specifically to use it with the Archgun Deployer.

Mausolon including a Gravimag is a leftover from when Necramech's used to also require a Gravimag to use the weapon, before that requirement was removed.

[rain otter]

if you have the deployer you can use any that have a gravimag. all the diemos archguns

come with a gravimag installed.

[quick mica]

But I have no "Heavy Weapons" slot in my Load out to say what to use. Or does it use my archwing weapon?

[zenith jacinth]

Do you have fortuna R5

[quick mica]

Yep

[zenith jacinth]

Then go to the 3rd tab in the arsenal

[zenith jacinth]

3rd not 4th

[quick mica]

AH

I thought it was with vechiles

[zenith jacinth]

Used to be I think

[balmy storm]

Yup! I was really confused for a bit after it changed

[zenith jacinth]

I still am

Ig it makes sense where it is but why is the k-drive not there too

[balmy storm]

Vehicle

[rain otter]

Why does your void rig have a normal grattler?

[grave quiver]

AMIR OH MY GOD

ARE YOU OKAY AMIR?!

[quick mica]

I level it up during bounties on Deimos

[fierce kiln]

anti aging creme got rid of aaaaall the wrinkles

maybe more than just that

[grave quiver]

when the anti aging cream ad said i'll turn you 30 years younger, 25 year old amir didnt think it was serious....

[fierce kiln]

wait.... is amir wearing a wig...

[hearty pendant]

the perfect time to mention bald amir from a devstream

[covert tree]

I dont hate how that looks tbh

[quiet hill]

amir but mir

[fringe pond]

Nah bro that’s A

[fierce kiln]

amir minmaxing aerodynamics

[shadow forum]

So they added a new short trailer for devstream 15 hours ago. O.O is it a new prime or something else.

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-tyl-regor-gif-17500853

[tropic venture]

we got a teaser for Gyre Prime already

[winged sandal]

where

[tropic venture]

https://youtube.com/shorts/msqJxJnYY7A?si=WHcX9jHzoaoLRMkt

[winged sandal]

thx

[frail grove]

i think if they're going for Gyre Prime next, we're going to see them shift the release order to M/F/M/F

which makes sense, it will make fitting frames like Temple easier in the future

[real niche]

Could've just done MMXFF for nonbinary frames has always been my take on this.

[frail grove]

they could, but honestly I think single M/F rotations probably work better for them anyway, I imagine it makes it easier for them to be more flexible on what gets released when

[real niche]

I mean if they didn't have a non binary frame for them to put then just go back to MMFF, simply

Then slot the nb frame between two when it happens again

[frail grove]

yeah you're not incorrect at all, I'm just thinking if they split it down to MFMF, it might open up how they can modify release order when they need to, like when they've swapped two frames a few times, which I assume is because the later one was close to ready, and the sooner one needed more time

[balmy storm]

I like that Gyre Prime will be the Prime preceding Old Peace, what with her connection to the Zariman n all
Reminds me of last year with Xaku and 1999 being tied to Entrati

[crystal agate]

I'm just glad we're almost at styanax and voruna prime

worst farms in the game 🥀

and citrine though I guess she's still a long ways off

[fringe pond]

I think fissures should be allowed to appear on Tyana Pass

Ive never seen one there
Only Arbis

[balmy storm]

Voruna’s not as bad, is she?

[balmy storm]

It’d make sense lore wise too cause
Voidhole

[crystal agate]

citrine is probably the worst farm, but I'd say voruna is in the running for second

[balmy storm]

Ahem
Grendel, equinox

[crystal agate]

grendel's not bad these days tbh

[balmy storm]

At least with Grendel it’s a one n done

[crystal agate]

lavos makes it easy even solo

equinox, sevagoth, and gauss have irritating RNG

[balmy storm]

So does Nokko, at least for the survival lol

I joined a friend recently for that one, tried it with Nokko
So easy lol

[crystal agate]

but voruna needs 125 of her currency to build, and you get something like 6-8 per rotation even on SP '

[balmy storm]

She has a pity system iirc, no?

[crystal agate]

and if you don't manage to get BP drops, it's up to another 125 to buy them, too

and a rotation is 5 minutes with no way to speed it up...

[balmy storm]

I wanna say it’s easier on SP but unsure

[crystal agate]

it is faster on SP but it's still very slow

[balmy storm]

At least you can run relics at the same time

[thick jolt]

May take a while but at least you are guaranteed to get her within a set number of runs

Could be worse like some frames that dont have pity systems but are still in rotation C

[crystal agate]

all of those have primes by now

citrine is basically the last arduous grind, everything released after her isn't a big deal at all

[rough crescent]

yeah some of the early frames are.... straight up bs

ash sucked, and whoever drops from ambulus now

[undone lodge]

Trinity

[rough crescent]

and now im remembering saryn, and as a consequence chroma

[fierce kiln]

voruna isnt that bad if you do omni fissure cracking

especially on long runs with increasing drops

[rough crescent]

she also has a pity system, so one way or the other you will get her in a reasonable timeframe

[fierce kiln]

and if you got her already u can use lua plasm to buy and sell arcanes

[inland axle]

Hey guys, do i ask about the late android closed beta system requirement here?

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FxTwitter · Oct 29, 2025, 8:41 PM

[twilit pebble]

vorunas farm isn't too bad in my experience
it's just survival

Also Circulus is a decent map to just test a build on

[tight pagoda]

So, looks like a new church area

[rain otter]

A new church in 1999.

Is my take.

[balmy storm]

What if it’s not 1999 but a different 99
Harrow Proto had xx99 on his concept art sheet iirc

[quick mica]

Now that I'm max rank with Fortuna I can just turn in all the debts for rep right?

[rough crescent]

can also trade them for goods

ticker has a rotating shop with a bunch of decorations

[tight pagoda]

Yeah that's the main reason to keep your debt bonds

You can get standing in a lot of other ways

[proven siren]

So I just finished the new war quest, and I just wanna know if there’s an order I should play the next quests (Duviri Paradox, Jade Shadows, angels of zariman, whispers in the walls)

[covert tree]

Id suggest doing duviri first

Then angels

Then whispers idk about jade's shadows tho

[rain otter]

do duviri. also zariman you can be drifter or operator.

[balmy storm]

You can be either for whispers too

[tight pagoda]

Duviri first. Then it's up to you. Whispers is how you get to the current stuff, the other two options don't have "sequels" yet.

[undone lodge]

I would recommend

• Duviri
• Angels of The Zariman+Content and checking out the ARG
• Veilbreaker + Kahl content inbetween or after AoZ
• Jade Shadows, checking videos and transcripts for the Belly of the Beast Operation stuff and/or Nightcap content at the back vent of Fortuna
• Whispers in the Wall +content and checking the Gargoyle’s Cry operation, also check out some minor voicelines from Nora Night that were added to build hype for it
• Lotus Eaters/1999 and it’s content, after checking the ARG
• Isleweaver in Duviri, and checking out the Operation Eight Claw stuff as well as getting a guide to find all the lore fragments

The ARGs and Operations aren’t really important but they’re nice if you’re interested in the lore which I’m guessing you are from the question

There’s not like a strict chronological order to most of it so I just organised it in the way I figured would be most satisfying

[balmy storm]

If they take long enough they could do Old Peace after Lotus Eaters instead of 1999

[turbid flare]

I just finished the new war and like im so confused lmao how did mr balls go from pet to papa? if op is us if we were saved and drifter is us if we werent, what in the heck was duviri supposed to be? every quest is a whole fever dream this game is insane lol

[real niche]

To the first question, he was tricking you.

Drifter was from an alternate reality.

[turbid flare]

huh and the fancy sword he made for us was just like to trick us even more?

[real niche]

You made it for him

He just gave you the bp

[turbid flare]

i see i see okay thank u!! what about the duviri stuff as a whole? is that just a weird other reality thats just there for the gamemode?

[real niche]

That's explained in Duviri Paradox

Drifter was trapped on the Zariman and was so emotionally unstable he pooped out Duviri with his mind unintentionally from a book that he read, ironically, about controlling your emotions

[turbid flare]

man i need to replay that quest and then replay everything again lmao tysm for trying to help my dumbass!! means a lot <3

[undone lodge]

Dw people get confused with that one alot, usually because of the whole “fakeout” reveal after Teshin’s idea that Thrax was a Tenno who created it

[north hamlet]

Oh I can't wait to go to hell and fistfight Satan

[cerulean kiln]

Sorry, Satan is in the other hell

[north hamlet]

I'll go there and mount his skull on my Orbiter wall

[thick jolt]

Really didnt expect that the rebellion would be a persistent gamemode

[north hamlet]

<@&778745217037238293>

[thick jolt]

Thought for sure that was why they were doing the devils triad
To have a gamemode after the quest

[cerulean kiln]

Gotta have that gameplay loop y’know

[thick jolt]

Well yeah thats what i'm saying i didnt see how they would do it for the whole past memories thing so i assumed they were doing devils triad for exactly that

Pleasantly surprised and incredibly curious about how they will handle the rebellion "replay"

[copper gorge]

Welp, I have some time to think of how to deal with possibility of going both Eleanor and a French Goth Badie Nun...

Do you recon that poligamy is illegal in warframe universe? I mean for jokes I convert all sisters of parvos for my "harem" but dunno if haveing actual one would be legal in this universe

[cerulean kiln]

Tau time loop when DE?

[thick jolt]

More importantly
Endless tower when DE?

Endless descendia

[still swan]

they sayed it is weekly but i kinda want endless one too

[thick jolt]

Loved the idea of more than just go kill objectives in descendia

[pliant saffron]

21 floors, considering how fast they did 7, in total maybe 45min

[thick jolt]

Yeah

I mean combined with all other weekly activities it is fair enough

But also i love the concept of that gamemode so much i want an endless version

[pliant saffron]

Yea, Ascension is mostly annoying due to needing upkeeps and falling

[wild wind]

they said the full version is going to be much longer per floor

[undone lodge]

Probably not

An orokin couple were in an (albeit really toxic and shallow because they’re Orokin) polycule with Dagath and the only issue brought up was the status difference

[copper gorge]

SHIT YOU RIGHT! Polygamy is legal! Man, that means you cna go for both Eleanor "I can fix her" Nightingale, and Le French Goth Badie Nun!

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-except-you're-welcome-gif-10724500870782237719

[rose dust]

counterpoint: The Orokin are the ones making up the laws, so the laws are inherently crap anyways.

[steep totem]

Counter-counterpoint: The Orokin are dead, so it doesn't matter anymore

[merry ocean]

Did they played some Doom recently or what the heck is that demonic update? xD

[copper gorge]

Eh, we have months or so to calculate what is going on... But I still wonder how does dateing both devils triad member and someone from hex work loreways

[copper gorge]

Devils Triad is a sidestory from the drifter to the old peace update.

Yes, we get TWO stories in one update

[merry ocean]

NICE

[copper gorge]

And with that, comes dateable french nun protowisp... Yep, she hot

[north hamlet]

Kullervo just can't get a break, like first he is trapped with a fake Ballas and now he is trapped in hell. Give this man a hug... before he stabs you in the face a dozen times

[copper gorge]

It seems to be orokin hell, so the biggest orokin slayer would fit right in...

[steep totem]

Beh?
Kullervo is there?

[copper gorge]

Yep, one of the bosses you can fight in descend

[steep totem]

Oh
Must have missed that part

[copper gorge]

Also, yep, we going to "hell"

[steep totem]

always somewhat annoys me when media shows "hell" and refuses to add "heaven" to it

[north hamlet]

If you count the Void as some twisted and alien version of heaven

[steep totem]

but I guess the atheists would complain more about "heaven" than "hell"

[steep totem]

I don't

[cerulean kiln]

Void is more like hell than Heaven

[undone lodge]

Have they uploaded a thing to yt

[north hamlet]

So we have hell 1 and hell 2

[cerulean kiln]

We are devils from that other hell

[rain otter]

Huh?

I was busy during the dev stream.

[wicked iron]

After being discovered, they were initially viewed as odd by the Orokin. When it became accepted, they got bored of it. The taboo nature of it seems to have been what they liked, specifically.

[pliant saffron]

so, normal orokin stuff

[turbid remnant]

Different navigation button in the dev stream today

[thick jolt]

Yeah they showed where it lead

[turbid remnant]

Oh mb I just woke up and am going through it

[thick jolt]

The two new gamemodes they showed are on that button basically

Well they only showed one of the modes

But the other is related to the quest and the tennocon demo

Pretty cool tho i do wonder if they will keep the dual button prompt or fold it into the navigation menu

[turbid remnant]

The regular navigation menu is getting pretty cluttered

[thick jolt]

True

[amber terrace]

Heard this while lounging around Nightcap

[limpid smelt]

[amber terrace]

Ope, mb, I try not to ping the higher ups, I saw a scam thingy and thought it would be a good idea to ping

[craggy solstice]

Mod pings some DE members, it's fine to ping mods for this.

[amber terrace]

Mb, mb, I try not to attract so much moderator attention

[zenith jacinth]

Why not

[amber terrace]

Because I used to be a little edgy bugger when I was younger, I never shook the instinct to hide from mods lol

Anyways

I’ve been toying with this idea since Vallis Undermind, how would the Solaris vendors react to Nightcap

The general scheme is some variant of Solaris confusion induced migraine

[zenith jacinth]

The younger ones, just mildly confused. The older ones, utterly bewildered

Oh you specified vendors

All of them bewildered

[amber terrace]

Smokefinger would be both confused and utterly ecstatic to give Nightcap a brief history lesson on all the stuff Nightcap missed while tending to the roots and fruits
Rude Zuud would probably be the least affected by confusion, more curious at what the different fungi can do to Kitguns
Eudico would probably be busy putting the pieces of Nightcap’s story together in relation to different SU operations trying to figure out who this guy is
Ticker would probably have an aneurysm at the one Solaris who was able to actually escape debt through death
The Business would also be with Eudico trying to figure out if the elevator bombing was an SU operation, and also pressing Nightcap about the whole creature release bounties
Little Duck would be pressing Nightcap really hard about the Vomval Trumpets given how they reek of Tau, and the Nononos given how saturated with Void they are
Legs would probably also be less affected by the confusion, probably seeing Nightcap as some urban legend realized
Chipper would definitely be looking to have a few drinks with Nightcap, see what the getup with this dead man walking is

Sorry that’s an entire wall of text, mb

[zenith jacinth]

Smokefinger isn't really a history guy, he's a geologist

[quick mica]

Speaking if Fortuna. No one ever talks about the Hound/MoA companion? Is it just complete MR fodder?

(I just got to max rank)

[tight pagoda]

I think one of the Moas is good for Spy missions because you can make it hack consoles and it won't trip any alarms?

[amber terrace]

The main reason I made Smokefinger the history guy is because he’s one of the older Solaris we encounter, so I would’ve assumed he would’ve had a decent grasp on the happenings between Nightcap disappearing and resurfacing

[rough crescent]

something that just occurred to me, void raider reeks of either fanfiction or void born anomaly, baro and his friend god, who also paid him ahead of time for the honor of working wiht him, treasure hunting in the void

[zenith jacinth]

Hounds are very popular, MOAs exist

[zenith jacinth]

If it doesn't have to do with rocks, probably not

[graceful zodiac]

Baro doesn't do anything with Wally though besides one deal

[zenith jacinth]

I've seen that type do it exactly once. It only disables alarms

[zenith jacinth]

The "friend god" in that is inaros prime

[rough crescent]

that only makes it stranger doenst it? and yes inaros prime

[zenith jacinth]

Or, hear me out, it's just us helping him in exchange for some of the loot

[rough crescent]

oh absolutely thats why i do it, but that doenst change how it looks

[zenith jacinth]

Occam's razor

[rough crescent]

still, its interesting to see bits of a lost religion and culture with him

[zenith jacinth]

Not really a religion, just a myth that developed in a yuvan raising settlement about the frame that gets sent to them

[rough crescent]

it was a religion in its later days

even if it wasnt necessarily that in the beginning

all but extinct now

along with every trace of what the martian orokin colony was like

[zenith jacinth]

Depends on your definition of religion ig

[rough crescent]

during the final stand it was mentioned that some, his mother at least, prayed to inaros for protection as he had done before, baro himself gave up on it until somewhat recently, not out of a lack of faith by his own admission, but rather that he knew his god was dead and no longer able to help anyone, thats the thing about corporal gods, they dont usually do a lot of direct physical intervention after theyve died unless something about the situation changes. we ended up reviving his faith when we gathered all of the parts to make inaros rise again

it had perhaps fallen more to cult status by then, but thats more a thing of level of acceptance rahter than the nature of the beleif

but thats besides the point anyway, its just funny that inaros prime is now in a state to take personal commissions from his last worshipper

[wild wind]

So. You can date the Devil's Triad separate from your 1999 partner.

I will admit, I didn't think that Warframe was going to add "harem anime" to the list of inspirations

[rough crescent]

oh, so more things i need to dodge dating prompts for, good to know

ive already almost ended up dating lettie far too many times now

[tight pagoda]

Some drown while others die of thirst

[rough crescent]

why is the DATE NOW button right next to the faction menu button?!

[night grail]

Dont tell him

[amber terrace]

?

[echo basalt]

who's chipper?

[amber terrace]

Khal’s buddy, the Solaris we meet in Veilbreaker

[echo basalt]

oh right

[steep reef]

so, wait, what frame is this, if not dagath? all the others i recognize, but dagath has no prime...

[rough crescent]

isnt that volt?

[steep reef]

oh. lol.

[rough crescent]

strange pose though

[balmy storm]

That’s volt yeah

I’m curious as to why these 6 are important
My guess? It’s not about the frames but new tenno NPCs!

[rain dew]

that would be neat

[hearty pendant]

i like that idea more than the "6 new protos" that the devstream channel went with immediately
volt already has a proto obviously idk why they all went for that

[rough crescent]

no context, but in a copllection with volt and ash, age is my guess

they are some of the oldest frames

also, we arent super likely to run into the tenno of specialty frames and oneoffs, assuming they even had one, so primes of the more general combat models would be more likely to show up

it actually kinda seems like the more we go the less unusual an independent frame becomes, sure only two are left that we know of, but things keep hinting at more and more who seemed to have been stable

actually, number might be back up to three, if nokko isnt dead but rather reduced

but theres too many unkowns on that for any confirmation

[still swan]

some spoiler on when is it happening in wich year (Devil Tryad) (forgoted to spoil the image so i deleted original)

[balmy storm]

I mean multiple protos on one frame isn’t an impossibility, it’s just highly unlikely

[undone lodge]

Tbh I’d say it is an impossibility, just because of what goes in to each proto

You have to model a whole guy, put all the effort into writing and designing them, introduce another character and put them into whatever group is getting added

And then they’re in a niche that has already been filled, so most people buying plat for the skin will choose between them and the other, so the returns on both will be less

There’s also the issue of it meaning that for any second proto, some other frame and it’s fans aren’t getting their own

The work that goes into just one proto means that making two of the same frame while there’s still so many others is just kinda, not a good choice and not really worth it

Ig maybe a thing with Equinox and their Night/Day stuff could work?

[tight pagoda]

It could also be 4399

Like it's possible they want to write it so that there's some sort of return to the gothic aesthetic in the future

It's entirely up to DE and anything is possible

[undone lodge]

Also couldn’t they just have continued making that style? Or just specifically made them in an old style

[tight pagoda]

I think the Devstream said it wasn't 1999

[undone lodge]

I just meant like, in general

[tight pagoda]

Ah yeah

Me personally I'm hoping it is just 1599 or something, allowing for more medieval sets of Protoframes

Rhino, Loki, Protea, Vauban as knights

A second Roundtable

[obtuse gyro]

The far future? Returning to the gothic style as technology is lost and chaos is rampant as new global hegemons and powers arise? Unheard of!

There's no such thing as the golden throne

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[still swan]

Futurism is not one of theories of time travel so we going further to the past

[obtuse gyro]

thats... not how that works?

4399 would still be the past compared to present day warframe

[still swan]

Oh ye i kinda forgot that

[obtuse gyro]

but also eternalism wouldnt deny travel to the future so

[frail flower]

I CANT WAIT FOR THE OLD PEACE LIKE

THIS IS PEAK

[urban sky]

Yeah but you know, the fact that people have to relay on leaks and data miners in order to get something actual concrete information is really sad, this devstream was a whole lot of nothing

[rain dew]

when i am in a complaining tournament and my opponent is congress of osmium

[rain otter]

What?

[frail flower]

i mean thats why we got the november devstream...
and even then they did show the new game mode

[rain otter]

They literally did.

Also it's called not knowing literally everything.

Have some joy and whimsy and be excited for things you don't know 100% of.

[cerulean kiln]

Leaks are bad tbh

[urban sky]

Sniff sinff, I got pinged

[rain dew]

Also I have literally never heard of anyone relying on leaks for information in Warframe

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[rain dew]

honestly skill issue

[cerulean kiln]

I try avoiding them like the plague

[urban sky]

Sure, if you count the end of Nov as a dvestream?

[urban sky]

Sadly some folks do

[rain dew]

There will literally be a devstream in November with more information, yes

[rain dew]

Again, skill issue

[cerulean kiln]

Leaks are also very often wrong

[urban sky]

Indeed, reason why they do is lack of info on frames and it's power kit and so on but I agree

[rain dew]

💀

that is bait

[jagged sable]

Only thing I'm hoping for in The Old Peace update is that our partners in 1999 and XX99 are aware of each other and gave us the go-ahead.

[urban sky]

Also, half of the devstream was just loud laughter and fooling around

[urban sky]

what?

[cerulean kiln]

The last leak Warframe had was people trying to say Rusalka was going to be a Proto and when it was proved wrong someone tried saying but the leaks exist so it must be true

[urban sky]

As far as I know, you can date both (a little weird..but okay)

[urban sky]

lol I recall that xD

[cerulean kiln]

Leaks just ruin things because it is something that may or may not be true and when it isn’t true they get mad

[urban sky]

Too-right but with what I understand it's kinda of a "Show us info or we'll do it for you" type of thing, I think that was the period where folks got tired of devstreams being memes, rather then show and ship

[cerulean kiln]

Players gotta stop being impatient

[obtuse gyro]

warframe leakers have somehow yet to realise that whatever "data" they think theyre mining isnt going to be as up to date as what DE has

like theres a reason why the dev build DE showed yesterday didnt have any ability icons for uriel

hell, oraxia herself showed how fast DE can change how a frame works

[rain dew]

There will be no more accurate information than what is released live in-game/officially by DE

[cerulean kiln]

What did they change about Oraxia?

[obtuse gyro]

there was the whole thing where her page on warframe.com for the briefest moments had a different kit than what was deployed because that was the "old" kit

so they made it as far as her website stage before finalising her kit

[cerulean kiln]

Ah

[shadow forum]

Guys how will syndicates work in new quest.

[cerulean kiln]

Which quest?

[shadow forum]

On December when they release it.

There will be changes on syndicates.

[cerulean kiln]

There’s no syndicate in Old Peace

[shadow forum]

true

[cerulean kiln]

Well rank up with syndicate

[shadow forum]

So that will stay

[rain otter]

Do we think

Devils triad will have one?

[shadow forum]

[rain otter]

Also I want them to do more Syndicates like they did with Nightcap tbh.

[cerulean kiln]

Devils triad is the syndicate
Just won’t have a rank up mechanic

[shadow forum]

Cool

[rain otter]

Are you sure about that?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[shadow forum]

[cerulean kiln]

They confirmed that in the stream

They mentioned how someone on the team went to Rebb and said they think it is getting stale so it won’t have one

I don’t personally think it is but opinions be opinions

[zenith jacinth]

Not for existing ones

[wise solstice]

Shouldn’t we be able to hear umbra speak? Well in his head of course, but shouldn’t we be able to hear his thoughts when in transference?

It’d be interesting to have Umbra dialogue
Kind of like how the Hex have dialogue

[cerulean kiln]

We can
Doesn’t mean we will

[wise solstice]

Yeah, but it would be interesting to hear his actual voice for the… first time? I think?

[cerulean kiln]

Reason why DE don’t allow us see it in game is hiring VA’s costs a lot of money

[wise solstice]

We could always use someone we already hired who has a variety of voices

[cerulean kiln]

Would still be a lot of work for a single person

[wise solstice]

Fair

[cerulean kiln]

There’s 100+ frames in the game which in almost all cases are made with different people

[drifting sparrow]

almost?

[cerulean kiln]

Lavos priming himself

[wise solstice]

What does that have to do with voice acting?

90% of the Warframes either don’t have voices or are that one whispering voice

[cerulean kiln]

The frames are made with different people

[wise solstice]

Obviously

[cerulean kiln]

So with there being 100+ people framed including base and Prime getting a VA to do all of them is complicated

[drifting sparrow]

and expensive

[wise solstice]

I was saying Umbra should get a voice

Not all 100 frames

[cerulean kiln]

But it isn’t an Umbra specific thing

[wise solstice]

Umbra is our only sentient frame (with the exception of a few others and protos)

[cerulean kiln]

All Warframes are sentient

[drifting sparrow]

they used to be at least

[cerulean kiln]

Still are

That’s why the frame moved in TSD

[wise solstice]

The only other sentient frames I can think of is the one we start with and the ones we get from using Regal Aya

The rest are copies

[cerulean kiln]

All Warframes are sentient but calmed so don’t act unless we are in danger

[wise solstice]

The ones we craft are copies of Sentient Warframes that don’t have voices or most likely thoughts either

They’re basically precepts
(With a few exceptions)

[cerulean kiln]

They do have thoughts and emotions

They are calmed so don’t act

They could even kick us out

[wise solstice]

If that were the case, all Warframes would be able to move by themselves without the idea that they had before umbra
(The collar thing)

[uncut solar]

Pretty sure they all have their mannerisms, personality and such retained, it's just their mind is essentially a lobotomized shell

[cerulean kiln]

The Second Dream

[rain otter]

The animations are remnants of their old personalities

Or That's what the Drifter says.

[uncut solar]

Drifter feels it, drifter's the authority

[wise solstice]

We control the Warframes with Transference from afar pretty much

[rain otter]

Not really true anymore.

[wise solstice]

Similar to how we focused on the Warframe to make them tear the War sword in two

[rain otter]

Before yes

[cerulean kiln]

We couldn’t control the frame at the time it was DE showing you Warframes are sentient it has been shown many times with enough motivation they can move on their own

[wise solstice]

Then why did we focus on the Warframe before they did the action? It’s kinda debatable at that point

[cerulean kiln]

We didn’t

We was being strangled

[wise solstice]

Yes, but we looked at the Warframe and focused on the Warframe

[fringe pond]

That was the camera??

We weren’t doing anything

[cerulean kiln]

It focused on the frame to show you it could move on its own Operator hand didn’t do anything

[fringe pond]

There’s a difference between the Operator themselves focusing on the frame and the camera focusing on the frame

[cerulean kiln]

Of course the camera would pan to the frame to show you what the frame was doing

That’s camera 101

[wise solstice]

The Operator was trying to look at the Warframe but barely could because we were getting choked

Their head is trying to lean down as he’s choking us

[cerulean kiln]

Operator didn’t use any abilities in the cutscene

[fringe pond]

Before we were put on the Chair, the only way we could use transference was by touching the frame

While out of a somatic pod at least

[wise solstice]

True

In that case, I may be wrong then

[fringe pond]

It happens

[wise solstice]

Sorry

[fringe pond]

Np lol

[wise solstice]

It looks like we were trying to look at the Warframe though

To me at least

[cerulean kiln]

Warframes can act on their own with motivation see

Stalker and his plan to kill us

Jade putting her Operator to sleep

Our Second Dream frame of choice

[cerulean kiln]

The camera was we were catching our breath after being strangled

[wise solstice]

Obviously, but I mean while we were being choked and we were struggling

[cerulean kiln]

And looking at a frame doesn’t really mean much if you can’t do anything

[wise solstice]

Stalker and Jade are both sentient frames because they aren’t crafted frames

[thick jolt]

also the light that was present when we controlled the frame by touch when getting out of the pod wasn't present while stalker choked us

[wise solstice]

True

[cerulean kiln]

They’re sentient because motivation

[wise solstice]

I’d say it’s more like a self defense precept when it comes to crafted frames

[thick jolt]

said light also appeared when drifter used the lotus' hand to try and control a frame in duviri so i don't think it was a one off vfx

[wise solstice]

Yeah that’s fair

[fringe pond]

Also your chosen frame moves by itself when the Drifter’s getting their shit rocked by a Duviri Dax

I think Thrax was controlling that thing

[cerulean kiln]

Nah, Drifter did whatever you’d call Lotus transference as shown by hand

[fringe pond]

Fr?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[wise solstice]

Remember: our starting frame is also an old war Warframe

[cerulean kiln]

All Warframes are Old War frames

[wise solstice]

The ones we craft are based off them

[thick jolt]

reminder transference was a technology before it became a tenno technique

[wise solstice]

It’s an Old War model, but it’s a newly built version of them, which isn’t made of flesh, blood, and organs

Considering we basically just 3D print it

It’s way more Artificial

[cerulean kiln]

It’s a 1-1 replica and has the same mannerisms as original

[thick jolt]

ehhhh not really artificial in that sense

it's still very much biotech

[fringe pond]

A built Warframe isn’t just a slab of metal dude

When your shields are broken and you take damage, your warframe bleeds

[wise solstice]

Yes, but it’s way more artificial in the sense that we’re 3D printing the parts with alloys, circuits and used infested flesh

[thick jolt]

also people point to cordylon saying the foundry prints frames by iitself but the cordylon article happened before helminth was introduced

fair chance of outdated info on that one

[fringe pond]

Infested flesh is easier for the foundry to handle at least
The Warframes are just helminth infested flesh and a bunch of tech anyway, so it still sorta works

The helminth probably just assists

At the end of the day it’s still them, just not… them them

[thick jolt]

yeah and we have seen the helminth is capable of holding and replicating memories, as seen with umbra

also the whole lizzie implying the infestation's perception trasncends time

[cerulean kiln]

And literally every frame we use

[thick jolt]

yeah just saying that umbra shows that to our faces

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter says they take them on iirc

[wise solstice]

They’re just versions of the model Warframe without their past memories
They might still have emotions I guess? But they’re basically just precepts… or kind of like being turned into a cephalon without the cephalon stuff

[fringe pond]

To be fair that’s probably easier to pull off when you build a frame using their original parts rather than the blueprint

[thick jolt]

honestly wouldnt surprise me if the memories of the frames we craft are "downloaded" through time because of the infestation

[fringe pond]

It doesn’t really make sense to Warframe behaviours a precept when they’re not even machines

[wise solstice]

The crafted ones? It makes more sense
The ones that aren’t? I get what you mean

[fringe pond]

It’s better to think of crafting as cloning the warframe

[wise solstice]

I wouldn’t say that
Cloning is WAY more complex than just
“Systems, neurotics, chassis”

[fringe pond]

To be fair

That’s most likely the “shell”

[wise solstice]

We’d need every individual organ, exact design, the DNA of the frame, and a piece of their brain

[wise solstice]

Neurotics is literally the entire head of the frame

[fringe pond]

In Mirage’s quest, her Neuroptics are referred to as her “helmet”

[wise solstice]

That’s heavily outdated ngl

[fringe pond]

You think the helminth can’t do that?? 😭

[rain otter]

it's still made of flesh and blood. helminth just upkeeps it.

also if it wasn't made of helminth helminth couldn't subsume them.

[wise solstice]

Alright one sec

[rain otter]

also

[wise solstice]

Gotta find something

[rain otter]

Umbra is made with the foundry.

[fringe pond]

We also had his original parts tbh
But we did have blanks to fill in too

[wise solstice]

We had DNA samples, and we saw them, AND we scanned pieces of umbra

[rain otter]

did we?

[fringe pond]

Yeah you had to scan his parts

[rain otter]

don't we scan

[cerulean kiln]

Not in an advanced system with something that can create and repair frames memories included without issue

[rain otter]

a few warframes? like we scan chroma

we get mesas parts from MESA.

[fringe pond]

Huh?

You get mesas parts from beating up Alad

[rain otter]

wait

no i'm right you get her BP

[fringe pond]

The base blueprint is just from clearing the quest

[rain otter]

from killing her in a quest.

[wise solstice]

We scan chroma, yes, but we don’t have samples of Chroma

[rain otter]

this feels like

[wise solstice]

Not the original at least

[rain otter]

a werid thing to say.

[wise solstice]

It does lol-

[wise solstice]

Pretty sure we bring the body back and probably scan it

It’d be way too dangerous to use the corpse as a base

[rain otter]

that's not what happens

[wise solstice]

Also if we did use the corpse the crafting time would be reduced by a lot

[fringe pond]

I think the way Hunhow refers to warframes makes the most sense

[rain otter]

anyway

[wise solstice]

Didn’t he change his definition like 3 times?

[fringe pond]

He calls them Metal Beasts in TNW

Because that might as well be what they are
They probably have some sort of vestigial sentience, but not sapience

[rain otter]

the helminth "lizzie" talks about how like she could subsume Flare like we subsume warframes like that doesn't workk

if our warframes are different somehow than normal warframes.

[undone lodge]

Organic components are difficult to construct and even more tedious to properly store for future use. The Foundry, while capable of replicating natural and synthetic materials such as fabric or metals, is not properly equipped for the growth of organic life. This also does not take into consideration the complications in growing 'living' subjects – a point of difficulty the Grineer have long tried to overcome.

Infested tissue is the only known exception to this parameter, as it can be easily grown and thrives in any environment

[wise solstice]

Huh

Good to know

Now to read that 3 more times

[rain otter]

lmao

this is what i've been saying.

also we make pheromones and such in the foundry.

[wise solstice]

Why am I getting so many infested outbreak messages

I’m worried-

[rain otter]

lul

[wise solstice]

I’ve been getting them for the past few minutes

I can’t wait for my mesa to craft

My meds? What?

[jagged sable]

I mean....some say the bad guys are the disease and you're the cure. so you wouldn't tooootally be wrong.

[fringe pond]

That’s the Cordylon entry we were mentioning

[wise solstice]

It sounds about right ngl

[wise solstice]

Wdym by that

By the way, are there performance enhancing drugs in Warframe?

[undone lodge]

I think they mean some syndicate or npc calling the enemy a disease and with us being the cure our frames would be the “meds” we administer

[fringe pond]

The grineer probably have some

[undone lodge]

Yes

[fringe pond]

Oh right stims

[wise solstice]

Yeah fair

[undone lodge]

You can get the bp from the Tenno lab

[wise solstice]

BET

I’ll be back

[fringe pond]

There’s 4 types but I forgot what they all do

[wise solstice]

I’ll find out

Absolute DE

[undone lodge]

• Calcifin - Hardens skin, fortifying against damage while restricting movement.

• Adrenal - Elevates adrenaline levels to enable faster movement while increasing sensitivity to damage.

• Refract - Coats the target in a film that refracts light, allowing undetected movement.

• Clotra - Revives a target that is bleeding out, and provides a bonus revive to any allies in range.

[fringe pond]

Yeah these

[wise solstice]

Bet

[undone lodge]

Calcifin as in calcify, I don’t have to explain these 2, and Clotra as in blood clotting

[fringe pond]

I mean all 4 give a good idea of what they do in their names

[undone lodge]

Yeah but a bunch of people wouldn’t know or will have forgotten about clotting and calcifying

[rough crescent]

do most clans even have that research?

[undone lodge]

Probably not

[rough crescent]

iirc, if you had actually nee4ded them, yo wouldnt have had the materials to make them, and they took time to unlock anyway, if you idnt need them then they were just pointless

i can solo defection myself with my trinity at this point

ive never bothered trying that on sp though, rewards not worth that

[zenith jacinth]

My clan has all research except the dojo colors

[rough crescent]

the colors took me weeks of nothing but that, i halted every research as soon as i got the pigment and moved onto the next one to get that p;art out of the way alll together

[rain otter]

There's normal drugs.

Albretch and Loid smoke some weed

And loid couldn't handle it.

[rancid pilot]

wait deadass there is just weed and Albrecht and Loid smoked it?

[hearty pendant]

nestawood iirc, yea
mentioned in one of the logs you get from the whisper minibosses

[rough crescent]

still need to get all those now that i think of it

[hearty pendant]

"I realized my error as I sweated by visionary nestawood cinders, beside Loid who curled pale and sick from chewing too much of the root. " 3rd Cavia fragment from albrecht's notes

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[wise solstice]

Peak

[rancid pilot]

wait so I just got Kaya showing up to Larunda Relay, is this DE just retconning that Kaya has been here and we've seen her before (like the mysterious sibling we totally did have) or Kaya just misinterpreted our actions and Drifter/operator has never seen her on larunda before?

[hearty pendant]

she's assuming that we've already seen her there
she doesn't stay if you reset, but is able to travel back and forth between larunda and hollvania once she figures it out w/ your help

[flat tree]

Eternalism hates this one trick

[rain otter]

That's not what eteranlism means

[rough crescent]

theres some paradoxes going on with that whole situations

all of the 1999 protoframes, but kaya and flare in particular

[hearty pendant]

not really?
what paradoxes

[rough crescent]

something appeared in the future timeline as a consequence of what we did in the past, and its implied as if this had always been the case even though its very much possible for us to have left it unsolved and moved on with the events without having added those elements

kaya is the more obvious one but id argue her being the less important one

[balmy storm]

It is not implied it’s always been the case?

[lapis seal]

Flare has no Paradox, their story just isnt chronological

[balmy storm]

Palimpsest of spacetime
Events can be rewritten
We’re rewriting things

[lapis seal]

Kaya just escaped the loop early

[rough crescent]

shes not there before you finish that route

[fringe pond]

I wish Umbra had shown up in Jade Shadows ngl

A standoff against the Stalker would have looked so goddamn cool

[balmy storm]

Ballas designs Temple, he scared of them
Albrecht steals design
Goes to 1999
He gives it to Flare
Flare suffers
We help Flare
With Kaya Flare takes the long way round to the night of the Naga Drums, now fully transformed as Temple
No paradox

[hearty pendant]

kaya only shows up in the future if you help her, she implies that she'd always been there for you, but she still disappears if the loop resets

[balmy storm]

Her being there hinges on us helping her

[rough crescent]

that was my point yes?

the timeline changes

[balmy storm]

It doesn’t?

We just help her to escape the loop, she has free will to do so by that point

If we reset them she loses that progress

[rough crescent]

how is that not changing the timeline

since it affects her presence in the future

[balmy storm]

She’s not taking the long way??

All we’re doing is helping her leave in a similar way as to how we leave the loop (oversimplifying)

[rough crescent]

sure she ends up there either way but HOW she gets there is a different story

[balmy storm]

She

Doesn’t?
If we don’t help her she doesn’t show up?

[flat tree]

Ballas gaining the sudden inspiration to design a rockstar warframe

[balmy storm]

She figures it out with our help, the only thing being rewritten here is she can leave the loop
Which is contained in the loop

[balmy storm]

Say what you will about Balls (say all of it, all the terrible things about him)
But he is good at what he does, designing Warframes

[obtuse gyro]

That would make it even more not a paradox

because it would imply that she traveled there, as she said she would

[rough crescent]

she also sayd shes been there for ages already

which she hasnt

[obtuse gyro]

"ages" where?

[flat tree]

True

although sometimes I wonder what goes through his head with CERTAIN warframes

Wow so you knowthe absurd thing known as Time Travel exists and did not even thinking about taking it for yourself and just letting Parvos have a whole frame around it

[rough crescent]

her lines, something about we had already seen her so knew she could do it

[hearty pendant]

she's assuming that she was already there for us
we know that this isn't true

[obtuse gyro]

you say "her lines" but which ones actually say shes been there for ages?

[balmy storm]

Let’s not take her saying ages as literal btw

[obtuse gyro]

instead of yknow, her travelling in the recent period after we get to the good ending

[balmy storm]

She’s def exaggerating lol

[obtuse gyro]

does she even use "ages"?

[balmy storm]

No idea but if she does she’s not being literal

[hearty pendant]

why are her larunda lines not on the wiki

[balmy storm]

Knowing her
That’s an exaggeration

[rough crescent]

dont recall her exact wording so dont argue me on that part

the the intent being that we must have already known because she was already there

[balmy storm]

Anyway
This ain’t a paradox

In her story we don’t see her there before we help her

It’d be different if she was always there but her ending isn’t absolute, there’s both a good and bad

[obtuse gyro]

she thinks we must have known, but obviously we didnt, because we, in our entire capacity of meeting her, did not know

[hearty pendant]

found it
"YOU. You knew all along, right? That I'd make it? Because when you left for 1999, I was already here, wasn't I? But you let me figure it out for myself, without helping. Thanks. For not spoiling how my story ends."
yea, she's assuming that we always knew

[balmy storm]

(We did not know, she was not there)

Because she’s only there IF we help her

It’d be different if she was just always there but again, due to the good and bad ending being options she will not have always been there cause we may have not always helped her

It would be a paradox if not for free will

[obtuse gyro]

But also scrolling back to this,

what do you mean all of the 1999 protoframes? How would arthur or eleanor be paradoxes here?

[rough crescent]

its not in sight but the loop does have an end, taking the long way, as its been described, however that ends up looking, and that end becomes part of the past of the current timeline, which raises a question of how much influence anything in there has on the main timeline

either significant or nothing at all

[obtuse gyro]

which raises a question of how much influence anything in there has on the main timeline
Given the at least 18 radiation wars? Very little

[rough crescent]

that was kinda my point, that its an actual fragment of the past, kaya and flare just stand out for having a currently known interaction wiht the future

to what extent any of our screwing around did things without an initial cause

[obtuse gyro]

But having an "interaction" with the future doesnt mean that theres a paradox at play

much less so for any of the protoframes, who dont have any interactions with the future

[rough crescent]

we dont know that for sure, its just not currently known what hepppend to anyone else yet, might have all died ages ago, might still be hiding somewhere, and when i said future i meant future to THEM, not the present, so any part of the past they survived into

[lapis seal]

protoframes surviving or not doesnt make a paradox

[hearty pendant]

the stuff that was impacted was already kinda reset with the initial loop we were present for iirc
"murmur expelled. tau is in sight." n all that
we know that events can be rewritten from the palimpset of spacetime tablet

[obtuse gyro]

its just not currently known what hepppend to anyone else yet, might have all died ages ago, might still be hiding somewhere
And you might realise how much this would disqualify them from being a paradox?

[lapis seal]

Warframes exist without Protoframes, but Protoframes do not exist without Warframes*, its pretty 1-way

[obtuse gyro]

because if somehow they've managed to stay away from everytime if they've survived... whats the paradox here?

like a paradox would need some kind of closed circuit here, but all Im getting from you is a loose thread

[lapis seal]

-# warframe strains* but it just makes the saying messier to read

[rough crescent]

no, they dont need a closed circuit, thats only one kind of paradox, there are other kinds

[obtuse gyro]

ok so which paradoxes are they fulfulling here?

Name 'em

its definitely not the bootstrap or grandfather paradox

its definitely not the twin paradox

[rough crescent]

i dont know, but the present is supposed to be set in stone, but a fragment of the past is not and still suceptible to flux, how does that not cause a paradox

[obtuse gyro]

good sir

at this point youre throwing around the word "paradox" all willy nilly, but you cant tell us which paradox

how can the past being rewritten cause a paradox if you cant tell us which paradox is being caused?

Time being malleable doesnt automatically mean that paradoxes will form

[balmy storm]

The palimpsest of spacetime doesn’t dictate paradoxes occur

[real niche]

The palimpsest of spacetime says "nuh uh"

[obtuse gyro]

its like saying "not washing your hands causes diseases" but what disease are you talking about? each one has got a cause and a mechanism

[rough crescent]

okay, i think i found the issue, im thinking of paradox as per math and logic, not time, you are thinking a time paradox

time is jsut doing whatever, the line is in knots at this point anyway probably, but it makes things wiht wierd logic

[obtuse gyro]

ok so how would the protoframes be a logical paradox

what part of them contradicts something and yet remains a true thing

[mental echo]

yeah its still not even a logical paradox

[tight pagoda]

The only paradox I can think of with 1999 is "if the year is going to permanently loop, how will time progress to becoming the Origin system"

[balmy storm]

It’s like a loop de loop
It both keeps going and also is a loop, within the loop is what we can rewrite
Which is limited and most things will be nuked

[celest hollow]

its a loop but at some point the loop will end and the events will still play out with the nuke and then yadda yadda until modern day

the loop will end when we decide it to end, until then we must hold back the techrot and scaldra

also a paradox is when something that didn't happen still happens

[hearty pendant]

december is all we got

[balmy storm]

November devstream will probably give more info

Might be like last year with 1999

[undone lodge]

Oh yeah @wise solstice it’s not a drug but there is a brain-boost performance enhancer

[At the Archarbor]

16. What are the ideal conditions for contemplating Legems?

A. In a dark place remote from distractions

B. While experiencing the cerebral boost of a light-coil (correct)

Albrecht mentions “light-coil thinkers” in his monologue about history stuff so people using them seems to have been some big thing

It began long before us, we who now live our perfect and dull, endless lives. It began long before these moon-palaces and body-markets hurling around our golden Sun. It began long before our light-coil thinkers, our radiation wars, our oil, smoke….

[cinder marten]

eternalism states that past present and future all happen at the same time

maybe it's not just one timeline loop but it keeps generating more and more timelines

like infinitely

maybe there is an earth where albrecht entrati never went to 1999 so the protoframes never existed and history went as usual

just like how there are two operators where one got rescued and one got stuck in duviri

[hearty pendant]

palimpset of spacetime: events can be rewritten, traces of the original remain
there is one timeline

[cinder marten]

then the rewritten event will become a new timeline

the past can be overwritten but fragments of the original timeline will still persist

[wild wind]

WF doesn't really deal with alternate timelines

They kinda exist but not for you

[hearty pendant]

theoretically accessible

[clear topaz]

So I'm playing through The Hex right now. I'm seeing some Eximus enemies that are glowing green as if Jade has control over them. But afaik Jade doesn't exist in 1999. Any lore reason for that? I know the gameplay reason is just that they needed Eximus units for the quest but it seems odd for them to use powers they realistically shouldn't have yet

[hearty pendant]

no explanation for it, gameplay > lore

[flat loom]

Just purely gameplay

1999 also has the arson eximus

[clear topaz]

There's so many good references in this quest I love it lol

Also I thought so for the Eximus but, had to ask x3

[flat loom]

You're all good! Some of it makes sense some of it doesn't

[wild wind]

Well if you really must.... Wally IS messing around in 1999.

There are some radios around the mall. Listen close and you might hear him up to his old tricks.

[flat tree]

"You know, I think I should give Scaldra some Vestigial Motes, just mess with the Tenno."

[wild wind]

He would tho'

[flat tree]

true...

I wonder how much has Wally messed with 1999

He can't change anything major but he still can mess with stuff

[wild wind]

Directly, not too much

The loop we play during The Hex is the loop he finally broke in

But before that, he got to Rusalka

[hearty pendant]

and the loop he was kicked out

[clear topaz]

So if my assuming is right, all these guys from The Hex are Protoframes? So like humans that got warframe augments I guess?

[hearty pendant]

yea, basically

[clear topaz]

Interesting

[wild wind]

They're humans who were made into Warframes, but didn't get the last dose that would finish the job

[flat tree]

Have you read the prequel comic for 1999, its not required but its a nice read

[wild wind]

They're 85% of the way there

[hearty pendant]

batches were modified to slow the transformation yea

[clear topaz]

Are they jelly that I get to stay as a full human and be an operator while they kinda had to give up parts of humanity? Sounds kinda corny but I do wonder

[wild wind]

They don't grok what an Operator is for

[hearty pendant]

i'll not answer that as one of them might later

[wild wind]

Like, they don't need it

[clear topaz]

There's some lore I'll need to catch up on for sure lol

[wild wind]

It's very interesting to compare what happens with the Hex to what happens with the other "sane" Warframes we know about

[clear topaz]

I always kinda assumed that Warframes were built, not like created from a human

[wild wind]

hahaha

OUR Warframes are

But the originals?

[rain otter]

WELL

[flat tree]

CLONED OR BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP?

[wild wind]

Each and every one was a person Ballas tied down on the Helminth chair

[rain otter]

at some point they where humans but we aren't stealing Jerry the ostron

[clear topaz]

So what would happen if they were to have gone fully through the transformation though? Lose all conciousness?

[rain otter]

from his husband gerry.

[flat tree]

Like that

[wild wind]

Remember The Sacrifice?

Ballas accidentally made a sane Warframe

By leaving him one single memory

[clear topaz]

How long has Ballas' goofy self been around 😭

[wild wind]

2000ish years

[clear topaz]

Matter of fact, when does normal WF even take place

[wild wind]

1000 years after we murdered the Orokin

[flat tree]

"Oh hey there's a person that pisses me off, I should turn them into a warframe."

[wild wind]

He literally made Yareli Prime out of a girl that made him look like a tool

[clear topaz]

That seems a bit backwards. "I don't like you, lemme make you immensely powerful" lol

[wild wind]

Because they became slaves

Like Umbra and Teshin, unable to disobey the Orokin

unable to harm one

[clear topaz]

Well what happens now that Ballas is dead? I know they probably explained that but I'm not very smart x3

[wild wind]

And sooner or later the things that make you human drain away leaving a shell where you used to be

[flat tree]

Narmer's dead

[wild wind]

Oh, Wally's breaking out of the Void

That's why you're in 1999

[hearty pendant]

not really, pazuul is still active, narmer's still around

[wild wind]

Albrecht Entrati ran there, Wally's chasing him

You're chasing both

[clear topaz]

Alright who is this Wally fella

[wild wind]

Entropy

[clear topaz]

Idk the names

[wild wind]

The Man in the Wall

[hearty pendant]

Man In The Wall
guy who flew out of the void portal at the end of the new war

[wild wind]

The Indifference

[clear topaz]

Oh that guy

[flat tree]

In the smallest capacity though

only a headache for Fortuna and Cetus along with weekly Archons doing their thing but now in occupied territory

[wild wind]

He's literally a sentient force of entropy and the death of universes

[clear topaz]

Hrrmmm I'm just hoping they give me the AX-52 to use in normal gameplay lol

[wild wind]

And the only reason he hasn't ended our universe is that he accidentally telefragged his own finger on a void portal

[flat loom]

Vitruvian man

[wild wind]

And Albrecht hid it away

[flat tree]

Just so you know and don't get confused by a few parts you do know how transference works?

[wild wind]

while true, keep in mind that Narmer can break out faster than any other faction

[clear topaz]

That's just aiming at an NPC and using the 5 ability right?

[flat tree]

Lore wise

[hearty pendant]

gameplay-wise, yea sorta

[wild wind]

Once they start snowballing they'll be harder to stop than the infestation

[clear topaz]

Oh lol

[hearty pendant]

there's a reason they took over the system so quickly and with so little resistance

[wild wind]

yeah >.>

[clear topaz]

Uhhh well as far as I know it's kinda like a possession sorta deal. I don't know the exact reasons x3

[wild wind]

While this sounds trite: empathy

[hearty pendant]

basically yea
implanting your consciousness into not your body
requires consent if the other side is sapient, which is why umbra and arthur were able to kick us out

[lapis seal]

all the other frames just allow us

[wild wind]

Or, can't stop us because there's not much there anymore

[clear topaz]

And I guess that's why we can't be the Stalker or his forms?

[wild wind]

Acolytes/disciples, but yes

Stalker doesn't like you and doesn't want you in his head

[clear topaz]

Well I like him and I want to be him lol

He needs to grow up x3

[hearty pendant]

closest you can get is duviri stalker

[wild wind]

You destroyed his reason to exist and threw the system into chaos

[clear topaz]

Honestly just being able to use his version of Hate would be so sick

[wild wind]

He'd really prefer to feed you to the infestation

[clear topaz]

Like the super powered Jade version lol

[wild wind]

er

incarnon

[clear topaz]

Is that the actual incarnon version?

[lapis seal]

its a bit flashier than the incarnon but functions more or less the same

[wild wind]

No, but they reskinned the incarnon to look like the Jade skin

[clear topaz]

I thought it was just for that quest

[wild wind]

In that part of JS

[clear topaz]

Ahhh okay

[wild wind]

That is in fact how it works when you incarnon it

(it rules)

[clear topaz]

Does it at least keep the ranged attack?

[flat loom]

Only two frames that kicked us out, and it's both Excalibur frames lol

[lapis seal]

the Incarnon still has all the projectiles on each swing, but the audio design is very different

[wild wind]

My Jade is my Stalker cosplay

Yes lol

[flat loom]

Poster Child wins again!

[clear topaz]

Pog

[flat loom]

Hehe Paws

Pawschamp

[clear topaz]

I like to say pawg instead of pog but people think I'm saying other things 😭

[flat loom]

HAHAHAH

Perks of having such a name, plus the meaning of pawg is ya know

[wild wind]

Ah, Voruna-posting

[clear topaz]

Yeahhhh lol

[flat loom]

Very something

[flat loom]

Only furry I'll let be lol

[clear topaz]

Is Voruna a furry frame?

[lapis seal]

half the roster is furry frame

[wild wind]

naw

More movie monster

[clear topaz]

Oooooo wolf frame

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-voruna-technocyte-infested-tenno-gif-27182327

[flat loom]

BARK BARK RUFF

[clear topaz]

I havent seen like any good furry stuff wym 😭

[wild wind]

also one of the first voidshells

[flat tree]

Arcane FURRY

[flat loom]

OH TRUE

First void shell skin and exca didn't even get that treatment first

[clear topaz]

Idk why they havent done like dog/cat/fox ears and tails as ephemera and auxillary. They would make so much mone

[wild wind]

they did the tails

[lapis seal]

Voruna launched with Voidshells, similar to modern frames launching with Gemini skins

[flat loom]

Fox tails

[wild wind]

With Voruna even lol

[flat loom]

But that's an ephemera sadly, still a tail tho

[clear topaz]

I do have the kitsune tails

[flat loom]

Then there's gersemi Valkyr who's tail is dead

[wild wind]

isn't there also an infested tail

[flat tree]

Continue 1999 without interuption

[clear topaz]

That's like the only somewhat furry thing I've seen aside from the bunny ears

[lapis seal]

tbf, we do have holographic cat ears now, sorta

[flat loom]

YES

[wild wind]

Viera ears

[flat loom]

Coda lich exclusive

[hearty pendant]

just the bunny ears and a cluster of tails
valkyr heirloom was supposed to have a tail,,,
maybe they'll revisit that now that Uriel has a proper one

[flat loom]

Damn, Haven't thought of that one

[clear topaz]

Finnneeee, I think I'm like halfway done lol

[flat tree]

Continue it and if you have any questions ask #spoiler-chat
we will be sure to respod

[flat loom]

Bone tail that is still ded

[clear topaz]

I shall :3

[flat loom]

But I love the skin

BUFF VALKYR HELL YEAH

[flat tree]

This despair is going to be great

[wild wind]

Valkyr before Salad skinned Gersemi

[flat loom]

If that coat was able to taken off tho

Would be very world premiere of de

[flat loom]

I'm still salty with her prime design, but then again who isn't

[wild wind]

oh, Valkyr deluxe, not the Gersemi skin lol

[flat loom]

Oh lol

But yes, true

[wild wind]

lets be real, no one runs anything except heirloom anymore

[rain otter]

you can get one yes.

[wild wind]

First Descendant at home

[rain otter]

I LIKE THE PRIMES

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-shhhh-cat-fingercat-chillingcat-gif-27671463

[lapis seal]

first descendant if it also had good gameplay

[wild wind]

But it was Goonframe

[flat tree]

The First Descendant if it was a dating simulator

[rain otter]

also I CAN ARGUE WITH YOU IF YOU WANT ABOUT THIS.

cuz THERE'S A REASON IT'S NOT THE SAME.

a few reasons actually.

first Descendant is like trying to be PG-13 or whatever game and they never talk about that stuff it's just for the GAZE and Fanservice of it all. but the fact warframe actually deals with such topics and people like will make things knowing that is like what makes it different.

[flat loom]

👀 uh, I keep her on display in my backroom if that counts

[rain otter]

anyway

it is slightly different or majorily different.

[flat loom]

I've only been using the valkyr deluxe lol, heirloom too bright for my dark mode eyes

Plus there's my astigmatism

Skill issue ik, but I love the heirloom

[wild wind]

I made my Ember heirloom pure white specifically to flashbang people

[flat tree]

Does First Descendant have my man?
And his glorious aerodynamics

[flat loom]

Speak to ya boi quincy huehue

[rain otter]

like if a first descedent character even said a SWEAR it would be FIRST PAGE NEWS YOU CAN'T HAVE IN A VIDEO GAME FOR CHILDERN. it's so santized it almsost feels like you are playing with dolls. Where as with warframe like there's so plot things about how viservcal things ar.

[wild wind]

I would feel bad about it......... if I hadn't done the same thing with Oberon which was a million times worse back in the day

[rain otter]

but anyway let's not talk about like

what counts as what.

[flat loom]

I'd be thankful to be flashbanged by ember ass, but not all the time ples

[flat tree]

For the love of Lua I cannot understand this man in KIM

[rain otter]

no. also I don't like FDs like plot or gameplay.

[flat loom]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

Fricking same man

[rain otter]

he just talks like a british person

with british person slang.

[wild wind]

He talks like people used to talk on IRC

[flat loom]

Thought dude has the hots for me, but he's a flirt

[rain otter]

i mean

[wild wind]

I mean

[flat loom]

I mean

[rain otter]

he could. if you wanted.

[hearty pendant]

you don't rizz quincy, quincy rizzes you

[rain otter]

but also you can ask him not to

if you want and he's cool with that.

[wild wind]

Quincy's one of the two or three characters who'll ask YOU out

instead of waiting for you to ask

[rain otter]

He's like "oh that's fine i don't that if it makes you uncomfortable"

cuz he's a good guy.

[flat tree]

-# huh?

[flat loom]

Bro was my wingman with Eleanor, even tho I lied to him that things were going well (I just confessed and previous interactions with Eleanor looked like I was gonna be blacklisted from ever dating her)

[rain otter]

i mean

you know?

[hearty pendant]

ye he's pretty cool with that
sometimes you miss the convo if you don't have them all on tho

[rain otter]

yee.

[flat loom]

Ngl guys, I wish Lizzie I could date, but Flare got her already

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-warframe-flare-varleon-lizzie-flare-gif-14661909242636135126

[hearty pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303743230247960682/1304599050443821056/attachment.gif

[rain otter]

huh this isn't what i wanted.

[flat loom]

Hell nah, I might be straight but kissing the homies goodnight comes first

[rain otter]

cool beans.

[wild wind]

that fake devstream where they took people's suggestions was hilarious

[rain otter]

I don't like men so quincy not my thing.

[flat loom]

Also ngl, bro quincy was a great wingman

Did a couple of resets and interacted with him, and he's really like your bestfriend bestfriend

[rain otter]

MAKE SURE

[wild wind]

Quincy is one of those rare people who's more tolerable online than in person before you get to know him

[rain otter]

to turn all your convos on.

[flat loom]

Of course I did huehue

[wild wind]

YES

[flat loom]

Also true, no wonder amir gets intimidated

[wild wind]

HAHAHAHA

[flat tree]

Every Conversation after rank 3 is just STRAIGHT trauma dumping

[wild wind]

The best part of having all convos active is getting everyone into Amir's DnD game

there's a reason you're Space Trauma

[rain otter]

oh i have this.

this was funny.

[clear topaz]

Okay this might be a crazy question

[rain otter]

it's not.

[wild wind]

of course after rank 5 you can tell Arthur that you reset the timeline so you can date his sister

[clear topaz]

Does Kalymos have a butthole

[rain otter]

but go ahead.

[clear topaz]

Oh god not this guy again

[flat loom]

I had to do so many resets before I was successful enough for recruiting everyone to his dnd campaign 😭

[hearty pendant]

prolly

[rain otter]

she is a kavat so probably yes but i doubt they would model that.

[clear topaz]

I mean like on the model

[flat loom]

I never got my sequel solo campaign tho, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT AMIR

[rain otter]

oh no? i don't think so Paws.

[clear topaz]

When I was doing the prologue missions to these it looked like it before too lol

[flat tree]

Kalymos my beloved

[clear topaz]

Goofy ahh

[flat loom]

CONE HAT

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dug-cone-shame-sad-up-gif-4083320

[flat tree]

SIts in the backroom all day and does Legacyte harvest

[flat loom]

You sir, just gave me an idea, I thank thee

[flat loom]

Even better

[rain otter]

oh yeah i have this

this was funny.

[wild wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964350333860065302/1338630463253905438/IMG_1840.png

Missed the chance to post this earlier, but this entire chat lol

[rain otter]

i found what i WANTED. also if you feed things to lizzie like flare tastes them seemingly.

[flat tree]

Every Dark Fantasy has its old war that messed everything up that you DON'T get to see

[rain otter]

we wil see

part of it lmao.

[flat tree]

Elden Ring could never 😭

[flat loom]

HAHAHA

[flat loom]

">:)" such a lizzie thing to do

[rain otter]

it's so

HMMMM it implies so much.

[wild wind]

https://www.tumblr.com/shaw-punsexualnerd/774390434108768256/honestly-go-read-the-tags-and-reblogs-yourself

ʎɐp ǝuo ǝɯ ןןıʞ oʇ buıob sı ǝuıɐɹbıɯ ǝɥʇ

🔁 thatanonymoussandwich

runningwolf62

I think we need to discuss what The Hex looks like from The Scaldra side given they have no clue of anything regarding Warframes.

January 12th 1999, Viktor Vodyanoi is baffled that 50+ new members joined The Hex litterally overnight.

He has no idea which of them, if any, are the Drifter Nightingale keeps talking to on the coms.

thatanonymoussandwich

Oh my god this idea is so funny

shaw-punsexualnerd

Honestly go read the tags and reblogs yourself because it's hysterical, here's my thanks for making me almost piss myself

-# #warframe 1999 #viktor vodyanoi #warframe #scaldra #scaldra warframe #doodles #im not tagging al the warframes popping up on the board

Tumblr · Feb 2, 2025, 5:11 PM

single greatest tumblr thread ever

[flat loom]

Plus goddamn, didn't Lizzie eat something that got Flare so disgusted about lol

[wild wind]

Because DE saw it and turned it into a KIM conversation with Arthur

[flat tree]

"Hex, I keep kicking you OVER and OVER again like a big, dumb, dead horse and you DON'T learn and I'm tired! I'M SO! TIRED!! Stormfall, please! Save me the bother!"

[flat loom]

Love this so much

[rain otter]

This is why Nef sounds so depressed in the undermind btw.

[wild wind]

Bullying Nef is a civic duty, and good training for the muskrat

[rain otter]

"how do you keep foiling my plans"

[flat loom]

Would proto kullervo be bleeding

[rain otter]

also yeah BULLY CEOS

[hoary bone]

With the new warframe Victor are going to have to worry about a mushroom. The fact that he’s gonna have to figure out how is their a living mushroom.

[wild wind]

oooh good question, he might have a bunch of piercings instead?

[hoary bone]

Or would it be like hosters

[flat loom]

"WHY IS THERE A SMALL RUNT OF MUSHROOM ATTACKING MY MEN"

[rain otter]

"there's a mushroom that puts down mushroom's and then throws a bouncy mushroom"

[wild wind]

Since Father Leon and Marie have different accessories than Harrow and Wisp

[rain otter]

@flat loom Aoi is already bleeding.

[flat tree]

IS THAT A SOL DAMNED BLOCK OF CONCRE-

• Last words before gaining Cancer X30

[flat loom]

Truuuee, plus it's so cool that marie has prosthetics

[flat loom]

Bro you did not

[wild wind]

yeah that was an amazing detail

[rain otter]

what?

it's her fingernails.

[wild wind]

A weapon to defeat the H-09 Apex

[rain otter]

the helminth has taken over her fingernails and they are bleeding.

[hoary bone]

What do you think his reaction would be to oraxia

[flat loom]

I just don't want to be reminded with that aoi treatment before the first rewind lol

[wild wind]

spider Spider SPIDER KILL IT KILL IT

[hoary bone]

Think about it it’s a minion of his boss

[wild wind]

or some variant thereof

Speaking of Helminth and protoframes

[flat loom]

Subsuming a frame with a proto skin on looks so morbid

[wild wind]

Did you know that you can Helminth the protoframes?

[rain otter]

oh. i mean just look at her fingernails. they are fully like "HEMLINTED" and thus are bleeding.

[wild wind]

hahahahahaha

[flat loom]

Lifeless right beside the helminth

[wild wind]

omnomnomnom

[flat loom]

WAIT NO WAY

[rain otter]

yes.

i can get a picture right now.

[flat loom]

I have to see the 3d model for this, holy shit that's quite the detail

[flat tree]

The Scaldra Jeager seeing the Warframe split into 2 people

• wukong

[flat loom]

PLEASE DO

[wild wind]

you sure that's blood and not the ferrous material she's melting and controlling

[flat loom]

I'm a sucker for details like that if anything

[rain otter]

yes

[hoary bone]

A matter of fact is, how is Victor not going insane after seeing all these war frames, bro is he a civilian from Superman? Does he think that they’re like the hex but they’re wearing mask and they definitely have future guns like bro how is he not questioning his enemies

[flat tree]

Must forget each time loop

Being any trooper in this game is a NIGHTMARE

[flat loom]

Every reset he sees the hex members multiplying

[wild wind]

yeah Viktor and Scaldra don't keep their memories

which is where Wally's spookiness comes in

[hoary bone]

Understandable oh yeah, did y’all ever find that secret mission?

[wild wind]

He can drop Scaldra units you already killed back into the timeline during Archemedia

[wild wind]

like, the Baro one?

[flat loom]

"I SWEAR YOU ALL WERE BELOW 10 MEMBERS"

[hoary bone]

No, it’s the one where you can save everyone and prevent the loop

[wild wind]

Oh, not secret

You don't prevent the loop, either

[hoary bone]

Oh, I thought it was

[flat loom]

Y'all keep looping is the thing

[wild wind]

You just change how the FIRST loop (that they remember) ends

[flat loom]

Hence why drifter stuck

Unless he goes thru the helminth

Again

[lapis seal]

Kalymos essentially promotes reattempting New Years eve the moment you finish the main quest

[wild wind]

Drifter can actually freely return to the Origin System

They go through Duviri, it turns out

[hoary bone]

Matter of fact, let’s just switching up real quick what would be reaction if we had operator inside 1999

[wild wind]

canonically the Operator isn't in 1999 because Wally

[flat loom]

Oh right, yeah void stuff

[hoary bone]

But I said if what

[wild wind]

gameplay wise I think it'd be interesting since during the promo before 1999 dropped, Eleanor mentioned seeing two of you

[rain otter]

@flat loom @wild wind here you go.

idk what else this would be.

[flat loom]

That's such an incredible thing tho, making something that just becomes your tunnel using the void is such a good story to work around with

[wild wind]

spooky!