spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

...is it possible to spell modok in orokin script

[half light]

most likely

[balmy storm]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Funni

[half light]

here you go

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-wall-this-man-is-an-egg-head-eggman-doctor-gif-27612558

[half light]

have fun

[zenith jacinth]

Nice

[half light]

lol

[opaque fog]

light flex

[rain otter]

Oh yo.

I should get that.

[celest hollow]

Anyo*

[zenith jacinth]

"Flex"
posts universally shared thing

[opaque fog]

Oh thats universally sharedm

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[opaque fog]

Huh alr

[zenith jacinth]

Most rotating vendors are

[rough crescent]

that reminds me, i need to go hunt another lich, i rolled a really bad bonus on the gun ve been using and am actually looking into fixing it

[zenith jacinth]

Sleep deprivation-sourced image of baro's platform making him rotate

I gotta sleep my brain is starting to devolve into funny

[rain otter]

Wait

@rough crescent you know you can put the elemental vices on any lich weapon right?

Also you can then change it whenever you want

To whatever you want.

Like it's so nice to do.

Just not during a mission obviously.

[zenith jacinth]

That doesn't increase the % which I assume nickle meant with bad bonus

[rain otter]

Sometimes people mean element.

[rough crescent]

bad percentage

[zenith jacinth]

Now I'm annoyed at the tech in my home even more bc I wanted to get a kuva twin stubba

[rain otter]

Elemental vice is so nice

[rough crescent]

so builds perform unusually poorly for me on it

[rain otter]

Gotcha

[zenith jacinth]

I could call it the kuva toe stubber

[tame canopy]

oh? we got one of the man in the wall's fingerbones?

Where is it, again?

[undone lodge]

Multiple actually

[rain otter]

Well a copy of it is in every RJ. Also every pre war shop that void jumped without a solar rail. The only ones that exist now that have it are the Zariman and the RJ.

[undone lodge]

One on the Zariman, all the Railjacks with their Reliquaries, the og hidden somewhere, and however many else there might be

[rain otter]

But the original

Used to be on Albretchs duviri island

He's since moved it.

[cerulean kiln]

Nothing suggests Albrecht owns the original

[tight pagoda]

We have copies, we don't know where the originals are (which is what he really cares about). Isleweaver reveals that ||the originals were at some point on Duviri, and Albrecht kept them in Scholar's Landing||. Leading theory is that they're now on ||Tau and that's why Albrecht is leading us there||

[cerulean kiln]

Wally would have it by now if he did

[rain otter]

Yes.

[tight pagoda]

Ah yeah the dialogue is "(third stage) Neci Rusalka: "This is where he stowed it away. The secret of my lost flesh. Not lost. Stolen."

[rain otter]

@cerulean kiln In isleweaver Wally/Smoker woman says "He hid it here"

[tight pagoda]

Not that he had the flesh there, just that the secret to where it is now was stowed there

[cerulean kiln]

there's having the location then there's having it

Still convinced Wally could easily get it by reading Albrecht's mind if Wally isn't lying

[echo basalt]

Also there's the chance it's split into 3 pieces

Just to make it harder for wally

[cerulean kiln]

Well there are originals plural

We don't know how many of replica or original exist

[rain otter]

Most of them would be destroyed cuz they would be old war or earlier vessels.

[sharp bough]

there is a possibility that i had thought while i was cleaning yesterday

could Albrecht have stored his memories in ayatans and hide it

as a back up plan in case the void accessed his mind

is that how ayatans work at all? can anyone remember?

[shrewd swan]

So what is the difference on the end of the story quest "the new war" what is different of her identitys.

Just looks and how she speaks?

[hearty pendant]

the name is permanent, the appearances can be bought with plat

Margulis was ballas's lover and a mother to the tenno, was executed for not allowing them to be weaponized
Natah is the sentient mimic queen that was sent to burrow into the tenno nest
Lotus is sort of a mixture of the two, originally created by ballas's tampering with Natah to make her more like Margulis

[undone lodge]

Pick what you feel fits best, if you care about story and fluff, and keep in mind that the chosen is just the “leader”, the other two are still there

[tight pagoda]

There are one or two instances of her lines being different too but nothing major

[hearty pendant]

the ayatans store memories, not sure if they could extract them per se, though
i'd have to look at the quincy chats again

aya stores the memories, the sculptures "play" them
no other info from this chat on that, though

[shrewd swan]

Ig mommy lotus it is

[rain otter]

You'll have characters you can Date so you don't have to thrist over lotus.

@shrewd swan oh wait you can change your login to the Drifter base now if you want.

I should use the Drifter base again it's so cool.

[shrewd swan]

Cool

I aint even done yet lol I just got done with her going crazy on me. Now some thing is a king and he is scared of me

[rain otter]

drifter base is a login you can get after the question instead of your normal ship.

[zenith jacinth]

[undone lodge]

[shrewd swan]

If your picked anyone other than lotus your weird. Natah is ugly, and if you pick the other. Your just a gooner bruh

[cerulean kiln]

Judging someone picking Natah because you find her ugly is irrelevant when you can buy the other skins

Natah and Lotus are both fine options to pick Natah because it is her real name

Lotus because it is who she became

[zenith jacinth]

You say that after calling her "mommy lotus"

[balmy storm]

Natah was her real name, her identity situation is more complicated than that by this point
Better to say it was her “original” name

It’s akin to someone having a deadname and saying “that’s their real name” :p

[cerulean kiln]

Either way, the argument you shouldn't pick it because it is ugly is irrelevant

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure, I think she looks cool tbh

It’s further irrelevant since you can pick her to look however you want, down to the colors

[cerulean kiln]

She's a mimic she can swap

[zenith jacinth]

Think it's slightly different since natah and lotus are technically different personalities

[opaque dove]

Natah:who she was
Margulis: who she became
The Lotus: who she is

[balmy storm]

They are, but it’s further complicated since Lotus is also a more chosen identity, one she grew into, the one that’s most her

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis: Who she was told to be*

[cerulean kiln]

I'd say Lotus is who she became

[opaque dove]

Fair

[balmy storm]

Not fully one she was made to be
Not fully one she was forced to be
The one most fueled by her own actions and self

Margulis is who she was superimposed to be, Natah being who she was and Lotus being the ultimate result
Unfortunately with dying and being brought back alongside being heavily manipulated she split into three

[zenith jacinth]

My argument for picking lotus is still that she literally turned into lotus prime just a few moments earlier

[balmy storm]

Yeah that form feels like the satisfying end to her journey kinda

[zenith jacinth]

It's fairly clear to me that she actually wants to be the lotus

[balmy storm]

Like it’s fully something that’s her, not the Lotus as Ballas made her

Purely in terms of a matter of identity Lotus is the best pick

[zenith jacinth]

People are who they choose to be

-# which is why I am a hyper sarcastic clown

[balmy storm]

It’s also the identity that she most became to be, mostly cause she chose it

[half light]

is nokko supposed to be canadian ?

[zenith jacinth]

What

[balmy storm]

Bro’s from Venus

Also not necessarily

[zenith jacinth]

He's a human mushroom thing

[half light]

i say bc of the alt helmet and idle animations

[cerulean kiln]

What nationality would you even call a person from Venus

[balmy storm]

Some frames are a bit more clearly based on somewhere to some extent (Vauban) but they largely don’t really do that unless it’s a Protoframe

[zenith jacinth]

Solaris

[half light]

venusian

[zenith jacinth]

I don't really get it

Tbf I don't have nokko so idk the animations

[opaque dove]

There’s also the Solaris, tho that’s a specific group of people

[balmy storm]

What do the idles have to do with it btw, his jolliness? The k-drive?

[cerulean kiln]

Can I call Albrecht Deimosiun?

[half light]

can't really find an exact match

[half light]

that dance where he swings his legs from side to side

[zenith jacinth]

Oh stereotype

[balmy storm]

He’s very happy, dances with and without his sister and rides a k-drives and kisses the sprodlings

[cerulean kiln]

I feel that is similarity rather than something making him Canadian

[zenith jacinth]

This channel is good at making me angry at my internet and steam deck

[opaque dove]

He and Yareli seem to be the jolliest of any Warframe we’ve seen so far

[half light]

i just found it weird that the helmet looks so similar to that hat lol

[zenith jacinth]

Coincidence

[balmy storm]

At most, loosely based
In reality, bro is just a mushroom forager

[half light]

he does live in the caves of a freezing cold planet

[balmy storm]

Like he has the hat helmet cause he’s going off into the cold environment to look for shrooms

That’s also why he has a backpack with a bedroll and a shovel

[opaque dove]

And animal pelts are pretty warm

[balmy storm]

He’s a forager

[cerulean kiln]

I have actually never seen a Canadian actually wearing that hat

[balmy storm]

Idek if that hat is from Canada specifically

[half light]

i looked up "canadian hat" and got that, so they surely wear that

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

[cerulean kiln]

I don't even think DE thought this far into it and they are Canadian

[opaque dove]

The syandana

I think

[zenith jacinth]

There's a syandana

[opaque dove]

Yes

[balmy storm]

This is bordering stereotypes lol

[zenith jacinth]

[cerulean kiln]

DE did accidentally create Nightcrawler though

[opaque dove]

Huh

[half light]

roathe + wrathful advance subsume

[opaque dove]

My mind almost immediately went to Uriel

[balmy storm]

Me when blue person with a tail has a teleport

[opaque dove]

And has demonic characteristics

[zenith jacinth]

Calling roathe a roach is pretty fitting because wdym there's another living orokin

[balmy storm]

Oh you know someone’s gonna title their wrathful advance uriel as nightcrawler lol

[balmy storm]

Yeah they are like roaches

[cerulean kiln]

And why didn't we kill them are we stupid?

[gentle cape]

• octavia.

[balmy storm]

Oddly enough a majority of the Orokin that we find to somehow not be dead are much better than the rest of them
They’re also mostly ones that we don’t have to worry about

[atomic halo]

Reb said in the pre update stream Nokko would be Canadian

[opaque dove]

I mean, we have seen about 7 or 8 living orokin (6 of which are now infested, but not gone)

[cerulean kiln]

Where

[balmy storm]

Ballas was in hiding, he’s slimey
Nihil was in the weave
The Entratis were on Deimos and a non issue
Albrecht dipped
Roathe was ????

[cerulean kiln]

The Entrati were also in hiding

[undone lodge]

Also like, it’s the obvious pick considering what each of the choices represents

Like I get the choice aspect and how stuff can vary for the player personally with the options they choose, but “we will need compassion and strength in equal measure” is just so Warframe

[balmy storm]

Yeah, though I’m unsure if we know when the moon was put into the void

[undone lodge]

And so fitting with the content we’ve had so far past NW

[cerulean kiln]

We don't ever know when in Warframe exept when the when is now

[zenith jacinth]

Remembered orxvkl, DE still never explained what orxvkl meant

[opaque dove]

Probably shortly after Tuvul got mauled

[balmy storm]

Ah, one of the best moments in WF history

[balmy storm]

We may find out, partially, this arc

Probably not 2026 tho

[opaque dove]

Got what was coming to him

[zenith jacinth]

It was an arg hint

[rain otter]

This isn't a hat

[balmy storm]

I just wish I coulda done it myself tbh

[balmy storm]

The hat is further up

[rain otter]

This is literally a travel backpack with a shovel.

[opaque dove]

I bet it was messy

[half light]

i was showing the syandana scrap didn't know about

[rain otter]

Ah.

[opaque dove]

Caranthele

[atomic halo]

It was a cipher key wasn't it?

[rain otter]

I think it's cute.

[zenith jacinth]

It was a hint that went unresolved

[half light]

why do liches and sisters love their progenitor ?

[opaque dove]

I don’t know, but it’s freaky

[half light]

idk, i wouldn't get close to any lich no matter the personality or quirk lol

[zenith jacinth]

?

[opaque dove]

Little meat…

[half light]

they have some dialogues that either imply it or directly mention that

and yeah, there is those nicknames too

[opaque dove]

Every time…little meat…little meat…why do they say that

[half light]

there is these for example

[opaque dove]

The personalities of the sisters are something else.

[half light]

smth smth spread map smth smth

[opaque dove]

I only remember the names of the Liches, Mad, Jovial, Flirtatious and Calculating

[zenith jacinth]

That's one personality

[opaque dove]

SHE WONT STOP SAYING IT

[zenith jacinth]

Then again, it seems to be the most common bc 3 of my 4 liches had it

[opaque dove]

Most of my Liches were female. Weirdly

[zenith jacinth]

I killed 2 and 3 within the same hour I created them because it annoyed me so much

[balmy badger]

IIRC all of the personalities have equal chance.

It's the quirks that are more rare.

[celest hollow]

• grendel + gauss

[tropic venture]

Grendel is moreso morbid than jolly

[opaque dove]

He ate Karrish. Then nourished the people in the town

[pliant saffron]

reminds me of this one song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCp0sM_yvs this

[wicked iron]

Oull Rhis Xata Vom Khra Lohk? My best guess lol

[zenith jacinth]

It was a hint for what wally said, and that ended up being the common idea. Then they just went and decided he said something completely different

[wicked iron]

Maybe it wasn't a hint about what he said, but was just them using what the community had thought he said as a clue. That was what I made of it, anyway lol

[shrewd swan]

Came back to see that lotus was the right decision, according to everyone else.

[fringe pond]

Isn’t this what people thought Wally said at the end of New War?

[wicked iron]

Yeah, which is why I think it was in as a clue. I think it was a meta clue on purpose, as opposed to being suggestive of what he actually said.

[shrewd swan]

Although technically is right lore wise, since we spend the whole mission trying to get the lotus back. And the lotus is the identity she built for centuries, so I am like 90% sure the lotus is right. But if we are getting in detail the radiant lotus is the correct one. But since you can change her style, doesnt matter gameplay wise. But if you couldnt pick/change her style, and wanted storyline accurate. You would pick radiant lotus or ig lotus bc that's what her style is by default after you pick lotus at the end.

[steady abyss]

Does have one permanent effect though, and that's the inbox messages.
Seems more "correct" having it say "Lotus".

[zenith jacinth]

Seems a bit counterproductive to give an arg hint that's just. Wrong

They said "Nobody has guessed it yet" back then. Yeah I wonder why

[rain otter]

We know now

It was on like some lyrics or something.

[rain otter]

Cuz we where missing one of them.

[zenith jacinth]

Nah it's because the hint was completely misleading

It's not orxvkl it's vnxvml

[rain otter]

I'm saying

For the new war thing.

[zenith jacinth]

What

[amber terrace]

The most ridiculous and facetious power scaling discussion; who has a more chopped debt record, Nightcap or Chipper?

[tight pagoda]

Whispers replayed the voice line at the start, and had subtitles

[zenith jacinth]

I think chipper didn't have any debt iirc

[cunning igloo]

eugh, nightcap continues to shun me LMAO

i was so excited to unlock the last path, and this man still refuses to show his face smh....

[rough crescent]

may need to reload

[cunning igloo]

but! that is a rlly silly fun question,,,

i have tried! and i toggled creator mode on/off

[zenith jacinth]

Are you R5 with SU

[cunning igloo]

..... oh! ok yea that,,, makes sense 😶‍🌫️ cause no,,,

[shadow forum]

So will in old peace quest warframes who got created be as story quest of who they were, as was written in their stories for every warframe that would 30 to 40 npc characters, but to short it down,will they atleast be there in old peace quest as npc just standing and talking about the stuff, that would be cool. And maybe and scene of how warframe was made and transference invented.

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-funny-cat-cute-gif-3799404593284528017

[balmy storm]

No, there will not be pre-helminth warframe npcs
The 3 new protoframes are seperate from the quest
We know how Warframes are made and how Transference was discovered.

[undone lodge]

Absolutely Nightcap

[tropic venture]

Nightcap's records are "chopped" in the sense that his records don't even exist

[undone lodge]

The man was interfering in major deepmine operations, blocked access and eventually blew up expensive property, whatever he had before must’ve been massive

[opaque dove]

Nef says he’s not even in any debt ledger or Work List

Meaning he’s been down there so long he’s either
A. Been forgotten or, more likely
B. Nightcap’s not his real name

[cerulean kiln]

Or just passed down to another family member

[opaque dove]

If another family member exists

[cerulean kiln]

Debt doesn't really get removed from Solaris it is always passed along

[opaque dove]

An eternal cycle of working for Nef mucking anyo.

[undone lodge]

I mean there’d probably be like, a record showing the connection

[fringe pond]

Dawg blew up his debt too

[undone lodge]

Like “Parent”: [List of debts accumulated and paid off]”, then the next of kin who inherited what was left of debt and what that was and so on

[tropic venture]

or considering Fortuna was still early in construction when he sealed off the Deepmines, maybe he just predates Fortuna's debt records

[crystal agate]

he does talk about having debt, though

so I think the idea of nightcap being a pseudonym is probably the most likely

[peak cobalt]

You have to have solaris united maxed too!

[hot yoke]

Do you guys think Wally will ever make an appearance in the giant chair in the sky?

[peak cobalt]

I dont think nightcap is alive in the traditional sense but isnt really fully coming to terms with it or is unable to.

He has debts from his old life that he doesnt realize are not his anymore because hes "dead" and nightcap is def not his original name since it would make very little sense for him to have a mushroom themed nickname before gettung involved with them

[cerulean kiln]

He will

[crystal agate]

eh I think the idea of mushroom necromancy is a bit fantastical for WF

[hot yoke]

I've been patiently waiting lmao. He showed up in my hallway peeking around the wall a few weeks ago but hasn't shown up in the chair yet

[throws out some snacks like bait] here wally wally wally

[graceful zodiac]

Souls are a codified existence that have been brought back for year already in WF. Mushrooms are the least weird thing to use for any explanation.

Like, magic just straight up exists

[real niche]

Would the necromancy necromancy be more your alley (Kuva Liches)?

[autumn kettle]

So, I just got two friends into Warframe, and they're being directed to Duviri and Natah before completing The Second Dream, which is... Baffling to say the least.

I think it really blunts the impact of doing Second Dream, TWW, Natah, and then The Sacrifice. Also seems weird to have access to the Zariman before the Void, and to have the Drifter via Duviri before doing The New War/Narmer.

[crystal agate]

for my honest opinion, not really, the old blood is probably some of the worst lore in the game 😭

everything related to the queens and kuva is bizarre and unlikeable and it seems even the game wants to forget

[crystal agate]

that's kind of my point, magic does exist but it's void shenanigans almost all the time

it would be weird for magic to be found in the dimension of an unknown monstrocity intending on destroying humanity and also some mushrooms growing in a hole somewhere

[tropic venture]

As Loid puts it, "So much of what we did resembled magic. It's no wonder we found monsters in the unknown." (paraphrasing)

[real niche]

Well no, because that's ignoring stuff like Nihil's glass, Transference not being exclusively a Tenno thing, Kuva, weirder stuff like the Narmer Veils...

[crystal agate]

and the idea of nightcap, a pretty nice guy solaris that seems to be quite lucid if a little obsessed with mushrooms, is actually some kind of walking reanimated mushroom corpse

[real niche]

There's a lot of smaller fantastical stuff all around WF

[crystal agate]

that's just a bit of a jump that I'm not sure is either adequately foreshadowed nor really of much explanation

[tropic venture]

I mean, Green Stem Path kinda implies it

[real niche]

A lot of people took it as the mushrooms just taking over his life support stuff rather than him fully dying anyway

[crystal agate]

like, if he is a delusional mushroom zombie, what kind of ramifications does that have?

"so that guy who gave you the bounties in the last update, he was actually brought back from the dead by the power of fungus"
"what?"
"what? anyway, here's the old peace"

[peak cobalt]

He probably is kind of like a thrall to nokko in a sense. Though I think his loyalty to the cause is from himself not from the spores

But I feel like hes probably bound to the place even if he says he can leave

[real niche]

That frankly could be said about the vast majority of updates

[crystal agate]

I don't really think so, I think most of the one-off frame updates are either self-contained or had greater ramifications

harrow and jade e.g. had big story ramifications, while others like koumei and kullervo are pretty easy to understand and don't really change a lot

[real niche]

And Nokko somehow isn't just self contained? Like, it's even mentioned as much that The Prince is probably just obscuring stuff for itself so it's not like we're gonna get more out of it.

[crystal agate]

I mean I feel like the idea that mushrooms can bring people back from the dead is kind of a big deal, yeah

[real niche]

It wouldn't be the first time someone came back from the dead puppeted by something else in this game.

Lest we forget Arlo.

[tropic venture]

well that's moreso Infestation mimicing a person/stealing their corpse, rather than Arlo himself being revived as a thrall

[real niche]

The fact Wally's still currently attacking Duviri is also kinda a big deal, anyway here's mushroom frame.

[tropic venture]

yeah we've kinda jumped back and forth between Narmer and Indifference with Old Peace and Tau coming soon

[real niche]

Like at some point DE just has to move on from one part of their content to the other.

[tropic venture]

ig it's true less time has passed in-game than irl

Old Peace seems to be happening to Operator at the "same" time as Drifter is back in 1999

[real niche]

Giving answers just asks more questions and it clearly isn't worth it in DE's eyes to explain all this. Not to mention not everything needs to be explained and the mystery can just be left as such.

[crystal agate]

I decided to check the wiki page for nightcap's dialogue to see if it could shed some light but

uh, maybe later, I guess

[real niche]

Even then. Continuity?

Like what science explains that lmao

[crystal agate]

but basically I'm trying to say that there seems to be a bit of a gap between the dagath/koumei style "here's a story about an old frame that did stuff at some point" and the nokko "by the way, we're growing mindcontrolling/bodypuppeteering mushrooms down in our back garden"

because the latter feels like a plot thread that feels a bit awkward to leave dangling

[graceful zodiac]

It's the same as every other wacky things we go through once in WF

[real niche]

I mean I could say the same about Dante's missions stuff.

Drusus being rung dry constantly for Albrecht's artifacts by Parvos also is a pretty hefty thing to leave behind but here we are

[crystal agate]

how so? the leverian is not really important to the overall plot

[real niche]

Neither are Nokko's mushrooms?
Also I didn't mean just the Levarian, but the Disruption mission for farming Dante

You just think it has some extra significance for whatever reason you may have

[crystal agate]

using mushrooms to bring people back from the dead isn't a big deal?

because the game does bring people back from the dead but it's usually pretty heavy when it does

[graceful zodiac]

In Warframe, not really

[real niche]

No, because there's been a few other ways people come back from the dead sparringly anyway.

[crystal agate]

yeah, sparingly

[real niche]

Yeah, and the mushrooms revived one guy

Hence, still sparingly

[crystal agate]

like, it was a huge deal for the holdfasts that they were revived and they themselves are super traumatised by it

[graceful zodiac]

Cause it was important to them

[crystal agate]

erra and arlo are possibly back from the dead but they're all messed up

[graceful zodiac]

It's not for Nokko

[crystal agate]

teshin is dead for good

[real niche]

And now Nightcap is stuck being part of the Undermind as a result. Also he was far less antagonistic towards the thing that helped revived him so he's relatively fine.

[real niche]

WHAT?!?!?!

No he's not?!

[crystal agate]

well, the origin system teshin

[tropic venture]

Kuva is tied to Void, so that falls under the Void umbrella

[real niche]

That's the same person as Duviri Teshin. If you want to say that he's practically dead to the Origin System, that'd be a better way to put it.

[tropic venture]

Origin Teshin fell into Duviri. That's the same Teshin, there's only one

[real niche]

That's why you see the Narmer Veil and other paraphernalia in the cove.

[tropic venture]

you even inspect them during the quest

[cerulean kiln]

In all the ages of Thrax's reign, only two strangers have ever been known to come to Duviri.

One was the monk Teshin, who fell from the sky into the lake on the island we now call Hermit's Landing. Seemingly lifeless, he was dragged ashore by Mathila who nursed his return to health. I have never known a constitution to match his; yet unlike us, he has… deteriorated… with the passing of time.

[crystal agate]

oh, fair enough, I thought the duviri teshin was a void ghost or something

I guess that still makes him practically dead in the origin system though, because he can't go back to it

[tropic venture]

That's what we call "missing", not dead

[real niche]

But regardless, Nightcap is far from being incredibly special in the fact that he was revived by something out of his control, and I think you're underselling how much being stuck to a hivemind would affect someone, even considering that he was kind to Nokko and they had no ill will to each other.

[tropic venture]

If you lose your car keys you're not dead to your car

[crystal agate]

I would be if I permanently lost the car keys and could never replace them, I think

[tropic venture]

that just means you can't use that car

In theory, we could probably bring Teshin with us back to Reality

[crystal agate]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at some point but

[real niche]

It's possible he could, Albrecht has traveled back and forth before. It's just a matter of him not having access to any means of being able to do that.

Whatever those means may be.

[crystal agate]

then again I suppose the arlo thing was a good point, I had completely forgotten about him

I guess the crazy undead mushroom golem in the basement feels like a bit of a thematic sore thumb from the rest of fortuna but whatever

[tropic venture]

Zuud and her sisters were a hivemind somehow

[real niche]

Cut to the countless mushrooms already spread around Orb Vallis

[real niche]

Not really, they were a faction of sorts and then the Orb just kinda jammed all their minds into one into the person Zuud we know, hence the Chatter

[tropic venture]

"I was there when we lost Zuud's sisters. For a lifetime, they shared a sensorium, created as one. Losing them crushed Zuud, her universe narrowing to single set of eyes, one pair of hands. The isolation broke her, remade her. A tragic figure, to be sure and loved."

quote from Biz

[real niche]

Ah, weird

[rough crescent]

yeah, zuud is a shattered hivemind, its why she has the voices, they shared a mindspace echoes of the others persist long after

the more i think on that the more i realize she probably barely functions as a person. it wasnt just her sisters she lost, it was the parts of herself housed in them too, shes likely filling in for those with what they left behind

[undone lodge]

It has the quite major personal ramifications of him having actually died, which is generally considered to be a major deal

[undone lodge]

At the very least, she can function enough to enjoy girls nights with eudico

[fringe pond]

I wonder why 1999 Helminth has more teeth than modern helminth

[celest hollow]

To munch on electronic bits

Modern helminth just hoovers food and lets it “body” digest

[rain otter]

yo this is great.

[balmy storm]

I need a Roundtable and Devil’s Triad expansion asap

[rain otter]

may i ask who made this?

[soft pumice]

I have no idea all the language on the webpage I found It on was not a language i can read

[simple remnant]

This is so cute 😂

[formal skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293995102622187521/1430772825043767417/Sprodling.gif

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/sprodling-joy-whimsy-warframe-gif-12974889008438264692

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/live-sprodling-reaction-warframe-gif-6848752564698522764

[alpine sky]

https://tenor.com/view/live-sprodling-reaction-warframe-gif-6848752564698522764

[misty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/live-sprodling-reaction-warframe-gif-6848752564698522764

[wicked iron]

[stoic cloak]

How do I do techrot encore?

[fringe pond]

Wydm

[cerulean kiln]

Complete Hex quest

Both parts

[tight pagoda]

Also get to rank 4-5 with the Hex

[craggy solstice]

I thought it was rank 3?

[undone lodge]

Rank 3 is Hex Finale

[pure knot]

I swear i've heard Efervon somewhere

[opaque fog]

Its in its edgy phase

[steep totem]

Its serrated edgy phase

[undone lodge]

You mean like, outside of warframe?

[pure knot]

Yeah

[celest hollow]

Someone needs to lay off the Reeking Puffballs

[zenith jacinth]

It's not a quest

[peak cobalt]

Its a reference to Enferon from dark sector if that helps

[celest hollow]

What’s dark sector is it like War Sector?

[zenith jacinth]

[peak cobalt]

DE's old video game from 2008

I dont get the joke so I cant play along sorry

[celest hollow]

;-;

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think there is a joke

[peak cobalt]

I thought it was a dad joke I wasnt getting

[cerulean kiln]

What is a joke?

[tropic venture]

Game DE made before Warframe because publishers thought Warframe would be a risky sell

[celest hollow]

With 1999’s teasers, they mentioned a video game called War sector that was basically homage to Dark Sector

[peak cobalt]

Oh, yeah. That! its intended to be a parody of it, I believe

[tropic venture]

Dark Sector is like the scuffed demo of Warframe that DE were forced to make

[zenith jacinth]

Reference to more than parody of

[peak cobalt]

Easter egg, fits better as well.

Ig you cant parody your own work

[celest hollow]

It’s cute they never forgot about Dark Sector

[cerulean kiln]

There are people who still try to argue DS is canon because 1999 has DS stuff

[celest hollow]

They have tamagotchis so there’s def a ds

[tropic venture]

Said people ignore direct statements from DE so there's no use trying to convince them

[cerulean kiln]

There was a person who said they know DS isn’t canon but 90% of their post was DS lore

[zenith jacinth]

Where's the connection?

[tropic venture]

DS = Dark Sector, not Nintendo DS

[celest hollow]

Oh

[zenith jacinth]

Also the nintendo ds released after 2000 so it probably doesn't exist

[celest hollow]

Ah

[tropic venture]

yeah they reference gameboy-esque stuff but not nintendo DS

[celest hollow]

I’m not a Lith Relic so I’m not too knowledgeable about pre-2000 tech

[zenith jacinth]

Like, in general in the wf universe

Bunch of radiation wars happened

Internet cut out

[zenith jacinth]

I'm born in the 200X era and I still know about some pre-2k tech

[celest hollow]

Oh… I guess it’s a skill issue then for me

[fringe pond]

Mango what relic are you

[pure knot]

Ohhhh, that's probably it

[celest hollow]

Likely meso

[pure knot]

My older brother got dark sector for Christmas

[supple dagger]

new endgame 2 minute credit farm

[rain otter]

this isn't NEW. also this is any RJ mission.

you would get more Endo and relics from A veil mission. @supple dagger

also then all the parts are 220 endo each to scrap.

[rough crescent]

people dont like railjack only going in when desperate or absolutely required, so theres a lot of valuable farms in there no one knows about

really sucks cause it makes getting a functional squad quite difficult and the missions are made wiht at least two players in mind

my own railjack is quite well built up and i can solo almsot any node, but i dont like doing it solo, but things are even mroe of a mess in rj matchmaking than normal since your own build means nothing if you get put into a rookie squad

[rain otter]

Okay Nickle I hate having people in Rj lmao.

Or more than 3 specifically.

Cuz my repairman is better than most people.

[rough crescent]

oh so much that yes

also boarder repellant

since apparently no one can aim to stop them

but half the objectives need a second player to do efficiently

[left citrus]

Ok what warframe whold be who what high school stereotype I’ll start Nokko the claw clown

[warm anvil]

nokko would def be the weird kid

[left citrus]

And he whold steal your pencils

[rough crescent]

i vaguely remember there being a sentient tileset that was used for fairly noprmal missions, and not the one used in veil proxima, was that scarlet spear or am i just forgetting where this was

also wherever the sentient railjack fighters spawn

[night grail]

The only fully sentient tileset is the murex

Scarlet spear reused it

[rough crescent]

i recall there being ore tiles to it at one point

cause im doing anomaly runs and just not seeing several places i remember fairly strongly doing some sort of defense/interception objectives in

[night grail]

The only objectives even close would be scarlet spear afaik

[rough crescent]

which hasnt been rerun, fun

[opaque fog]

Stupid shower thought

Is nightcap a pseudo warframe

[cerulean kiln]

No

[narrow river]

started up the hex quest...

[fringe pond]

It’s really a tossup between whether people like Railjack or not

[gilded cedar]

People still yap about how buggy it is nowadays. I’ve done plenty of Railjack since 2021, solo and multiplayer, and I’ve seen very little bugs throughout
On the other hand, Circuit. All of the gravest bugs I’ve seen were in Circuit

[zenith jacinth]

The loud part of the playerbase can't believe that negative things improve

[fringe pond]

Why did the Drifter go to 1999 instead of the Operator again??

[cerulean kiln]

Natah/Lotus/Margulis: "You, my child. The Great Indifference wants to take. I want to let it. I feel... only the call."

[fringe pond]

Ah right

[steep totem]

Semi-serious thought
Maybe that's why Overframe tier lists never get updated

[cerulean kiln]

That's exactly why we ignore the Overframe tier list

[steep totem]

I mean,
I ignore all tier lists
But ye

[cerulean kiln]

It is based on a player voting system and players never change thoughts after a rework and stay stuck in the past

Hydroid is the example of I can think of

[steep totem]

Yareli comes to my mind far more quickly

I mean, yeah, she used to shove you out of the map
But that got fixed

Still, people never forgive, it seems

[zenith jacinth]

Some rj haters definitely think it's still the old layout

[cerulean kiln]

Oberon is still listed bottom of the list despite the rework

[steep totem]

That would be understandable, considering how recent his rework was
But I know it won't change

[zenith jacinth]

According to loud players, things only get worse and never better

[cerulean kiln]

Once you're in the Overframe list you don't get moved up or down based on changes

[twin obsidian]

He’s strong now but everything is strong. So it’s less about power and more about how fun it is to play.

There isn’t any reason for players to use better setups

[zenith jacinth]

I think it's funny how many ppl still hate lavos just bc of the cooldown mechanic

[twin obsidian]

Sadly DE took all the competition and need to get stronger from the game

[cerulean kiln]

Nah
Overframe is just stuck in the past

[twin obsidian]

Most basic builds can technically do EDA

A lot of frames can beat steel path with no mods

[cerulean kiln]

All frames can do SP

[zenith jacinth]

Not for the meta slaves

[steep totem]

I'd adore Lavos for that
But I must admit, I couldn't figure him out the time I tried him
Had too much going on

[zenith jacinth]

He's incredibly simple

[steep totem]

I had the same experience with Voruna, come to think of it

[twin obsidian]

And what’s the meta? Cause EDA, the current endgame stuff is fully random anyways. There is no meta

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos is simpler than chroma bc at least he doesn't do different things based on which element you choose

[cerulean kiln]

Only hard Warframe to learn that comes to my mind is Octavia

[zenith jacinth]

You are aware that the same people also hate EDA/ETA/duviri?

[zenith jacinth]

Limbo

[cerulean kiln]

I still haven't done EDA or ETA

[steep totem]

I kept trying to infuse elements on his abilities
And kept dying from being distracted by it
My own problem, but it was still a problem

[zenith jacinth]

It took me like 2 years to actually understand limbo

[gilded cedar]

Same persons I see saying Circuit is completely fine

[cerulean kiln]

Circuit is fine wdym?

[zenith jacinth]

What about it was distracting?

[gilded cedar]

I’ve had far more issues with Circuit than Railjack. Hell, the worst bugs I experienced were from Circuit

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf I've got the usual combos memorized and saved in my muscle memory

[steep totem]

Pushing 3 buttons to cast 1 ability
I was playing around with his infusion gimmick a bit too much

[zenith jacinth]

1 and 3, 3 and 4, 4 and 2...

[cerulean kiln]

I've had far more issues in RJ than Circuit

[zenith jacinth]

Corro, rad, blast

[cerulean kiln]

Then again I've done more RJ than Circuit

[zenith jacinth]

Bugs I've encountered in rj: 1
Bugs I've encountered in circuit: like 3 or 4

I am very bug free somehow

[gilded cedar]

Worst bug I had in Railjack: Losing helmet, only visual
Worst bug I had in Circuit: The buggiest experience ever: It was in SP Circuit, I was choosing a Decree while as Operator during the stage transition. Somehow, I die and in this process I turned into Drifter. The entire HUD changes to Drifter's. I cannot use Operator anymore, I cannot use Last Gasp, I get instantly revived, I cannot bullet jump, I practically float in the air, I cannot use the Parazon against Corrupted Jackal, The weapons that I had equipped outside of Duviri GAINED AFFINITY AND I GOT STANDING TOWARDS PERRIN SEQUENCE AND NEW LOKA WHILE PLEDGING TO STEEL MERIDIAN

[cerulean kiln]

At least DE patch them pretty quickly

[zenith jacinth]

Just pick a few elements and always infuse those,my go-to ones are rad and blast

[twin obsidian]

Yes. I’m not surprised. Making loadouts random is a cheap method to make things harder. Especially when most frames still make it easy.

There are far better ways to make the game harder.

[zenith jacinth]

Problem being that in a game like wf the only way to make the game harder for the optimizers is either randomness or bullet sponges

[steep totem]

You do realize with Archimedia (to my understanding), you don't actually have to use the loadout they give you?

You just don't get the rewards

[zenith jacinth]

You lose rewards

[steep totem]

A worthy sacrifice to play what you want imo

Then again, I don't understand the need for "harder content"

[rough crescent]

then why are you playing arcimedea instead of something more balanced

[zenith jacinth]

And the loadouts are hard coded to always have one owned item in each category so just... don't have unused gear?

[cerulean kiln]

Nokko has become my new favourite frame

[steep totem]

I'm perfectly happy with base star chart

[zenith jacinth]

I don't get the issue with the archimedea loadouts bc I use all my stuff and thus make it actually competent

[rough crescent]

oh same, but i had to go in a few times cause i was after those arcanes... im never doing it again now that thry have a second drop location

[real niche]

I'd rather that EDA have a "pool" system where I can throw in guns I have built up so I don't have to futz around with my collection. There's certainly 20+ weapons for each category that's worth investing into to make that possible.

[gilded cedar]

Warframe has never really been difficult in my experience. The way I see it, it’s a game that is easy but complicated

[zenith jacinth]

Haven't struggled in ETA yet aside from the already overtuned tank getting torqued even further

[steep totem]

If I couldn't get them another way, I resigned myself to not needing them

[rough crescent]

there was also the idea of how bad can it be, just once or twice to fill the collection slot... turns out it could be quite bad

[real niche]

I don't like how ETA handles difficulty because either I get my overpowered gear anyway, I don't and then I spam Operator and Specters, or I just can't play because the modifiers are just that insufferable

[zenith jacinth]

The modifiers are unnecessary imo yeah

[real niche]

Powerless no gear no operator, just beat me over the head with a brick at that point

[steep totem]

And then they proceed to pull out the tank-shaped brick

[rough crescent]

this last run i bothered with, the difficulty jumped from 11 to 20 for whatever reason as soon ad the survival timer ended and it turned into a mad dash for the exit while bleeding health rapidly

not even from taking damage, judt the modifiers being that aggressive

[steep totem]

Ew

[rough crescent]

everyone else died in the attempt since they actually were taking damage on top of just running

[real niche]

It's just annoying because I know they could made difficult content but that would involve revising basically everything about the balance of this game and they're definitely not keen on doing that since thatd just be making an entirely different game at that point

[steep totem]

Well...
They do have another team down the hall working on Soulframe

[real niche]

I want bang bang, so I'll pass on that. Oh well

[steep totem]

Something I think I might like to see is more puzzles
Like the ones in Duviri
But in Origin System missions

Make the game intellectually challenging, not just "kill more take less damage"

[balmy storm]

Whenever they add crossbows I’ll let you know how they fare

I like the magic weapons they got rn but its not the same
And bows are in a. Interesting spot atm

[twin obsidian]

Debuffs can do it

Temporary and random reductions and restrictions to stats and abilities would be enough to make things difficult

[zenith jacinth]

That's one of the issues ppl have with archimedea

[rough crescent]

well not exactly, stat and abilities are a different beast fromturning the gameplay on its head

dragon keys have been doing that for ages, and do offer some level of extra difficulty and thats without rng involving itself

[real niche]

The random modifiers also just are completely wild in terms of how harmful they are

[rough crescent]

the fully random loadout can be somewhat forgiven due to those stickers that give you known single weapons that can be built to accomodate for bs, but the arena wide bonus hazards just tip the balance

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think those sticker weapons use owned builds?

[zenith jacinth]

NO abilities, NO walking, NO standing still

[rough crescent]

i thought it did? never actually tried it since i dont like those guns

[rough crescent]

titania cheats this combo rather hard, one ability once so ill survive that penalty, not on the ground so the movement based ones are also mitigated or ignored

but getting started in the first place wiht one of those combo sucks

[zenith jacinth]

Restricted energy cap

[rough crescent]

that matters less than you would expect funnily enough

things drop energy so often that i just never ran ou8t

[zenith jacinth]

There's frames that can't cast some abilities with that modifier

[rough crescent]

yeah, pain

[cerulean kiln]

There's always a frame that ignores a restriction placed

[rough crescent]

not necessarily in the offered choices for rewards though

i alwaysw lost points for this cause no, im not dealing with that

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos when any energy debuff:

[rough crescent]

but yeah, so glad those arcanes are avaialbe fromt he dust lottery now, no further motive to do archimedea

and it turns out im running out of equippables to farm faster than i thought, i checked the codex view instead of the mod view and in only down to eight regular mods left to get, the rest is all conclave

[fringe pond]

We have crossbows already
Just
Not a lot

[twin obsidian]

I was thinking more of temporary random debuffs. Like maybe 5-10s after killing a marked enemy. Could be reduced energy or increased energy usage. Less health or armor. Restrictions on abilities. Movement debuffs of some kind. Things like that. Not permanent. But random

It would easily make the game harder and force players to have backup plans.

[rough crescent]

things you cant reliably counter build against, makes sense

[twin obsidian]

Builds would have to evolve.

[zenith jacinth]

In soulframe

[twin obsidian]

You can. But you have to sacrifice in other areas

But since it’s temporary you can’t counter everything

You can’t be a 1 trick pony.

So things like revenant who has a single ability that makes him immortal can’t just meme the entire thing

5-10s of his ability getting disabled would make things far far harder

[zenith jacinth]

Fah harbah?

[balmy storm]

I was talking about Soulframe :p

[rough crescent]

my one trick is not getting hit frequently enough to die, but theres still a skill element since i actually need to get out of the way and avoid fatal status and i still go down sometimes when things get a bit nuts

[zenith jacinth]

(Live albrecht reaction)

[real niche]

I'd rather the game make me use more of my toolset to stay in the game rather than arbitrarily say "nuh uh can't do that" like they're already doing with their super bosses, thank you

[rough crescent]

the game already does this, its called a nullifier, the acolyte and comba nullifiers are particularly bad

everything else in the room is dying cause theyre there and the objective demands it, nothing personal, those guys its personal and im out for blood

[twin obsidian]

Yah but you can avoid nullies. These marked enemies aren’t known. You kill one and suddenly for a short period of time you have a random debuff.

This will make it so the game is changing constantly and a single playstyle won’t work. You have to be good at parts of your build not just 1.

[prime lantern]

The humble actual mechanics

For example a boss you can not shoot at all it has 2 health complete a puzzle to restrain it and open the skylight and your friendly cephalon cy will introduce it to godlike judgment via Lazer weaponry on the railjack

You can not shoot your way through this boss you have to do the one thing warframe players struggle with

Think

[twin obsidian]

thats the point of the debuffs. you cant be a 1 trick pony. oyu have to learn how to use other parts of a build and other methods to stay allive and do damage

by giving a temporary debuff you have to change strats and use other parts of your kit. builds cant be a single thing anymore you have to use everything you have

[balmy storm]

Your “build” is a puzzle that you make, how well it handles the content you’re going up against depends on how you put the pieces together

There can be builds where every aspect focuses on one thing and some where it’s more widespread with everything in between

[twin obsidian]

yup. but right now the puzzle is far to simple. there is np need for diversity

by making the endgame have more random and unique debuffs instead of random loadouts we can promote new strats and setups

[balmy storm]

EDA and ETA def need a bit of a touch up to be less random

[twin obsidian]

yah i like the debuffs but making us use random loadouts... nah thats why i refuse to do them

[balmy storm]

I think it was a Coolkid video that gave a good suggestion of having 4 frame options that fall into the categories of different frames

[twin obsidian]

it defeats the purpose of building up a frame

[balmy storm]

It promotes building up more of your arsenal but some weapons and frames are way too high investment

[twin obsidian]

i think having those 4 randoms and being able to choose your own loadout but more debuffs would be nice

[balmy storm]

Heck I’d take a reroll or a lock and reroll

[twin obsidian]

yah that too

[balmy storm]

I think atm DE is def more focused on Old Peace and then next year is Tau but they could touch it up between OP and Tau or even with Tau

[twin obsidian]

on top of that because of how basic the debuffs and gameplay is right now its easy to get a basic build setup that lets you cheese it

[twin obsidian]

thye said they dont want to make an endgame

no idea why but they were pretty clear about it. harder content sure but no real endgame

[balmy storm]

I’m more so talking about times when they can touch things up for EDA and ETA

And presumably a potential third type of E?A with OP or Tau (probably Tau)

Also endgame will always be fashionframe

[twin obsidian]

yah i have ideas about a new mission type that would work as endgame and push players to make more diverse builds

[balmy storm]

That’s like
Why we got the protoframe emotes

[twin obsidian]

true that XD

heirloom and proto nidus when XD

[balmy storm]

I do think they want to gear more towards more difficult content while also giving us more tools to deal with it

For example:
the recent Archgun arcanes, I can actually see Archguns being used WAY more than ever before
And
The Tauron Focus expansion, whatever that entails

[twin obsidian]

yup

[balmy storm]

Like at the least Naramon looks like a free room nuke with the others either being similar or entirely different

It depends what they go with

[twin obsidian]

i wonder if the random loadouts is to get players to use other frames

[real niche]

You're missing my distinction.

I shouldn't need to have Thing A be disabled for me to need to use Thing B to get through content. Content should already incentivize me to use stuff like Operators without just disabling anything interesting from my Warframes or vice versa, which I'll give the Zariman tileset missions that with stuff like the weird Thrax enemies.

[balmy storm]

They chose the most difficult one to gauge for the others since Naramon is the melee one anyway lol

[balmy storm]

Duviri:

[twin obsidian]

oh ok i see what you mean. yah i get that

[real niche]

Make stuff that incentivizes me to use things rather than doing a "nuh uh can't use it because I said so"

That's the entire problem with EDA

[twin obsidian]

i agree

[twin obsidian]

ok so i guess my distinction is this. EDA n such stop you from being able to use your main kit for the mission and you will almost never get to use your main kit for it. by using random debuffs to disable a random ability for 5-10s you dont lose your kit. you just have to adapt and change strats for a short moment.

[shadow forum]

I'm curious will old peace quest have some hidden rooms, areas and even hidden quests that we need to solve and to find if there is something that we would need to run multiple times.

[wise solstice]

I feel like there will be three endings for each character
Operator endings:
Sol: The Great Pretender
They beat the Man In The Wall… at what cost? They’re tired of fighting so much. They want a break, or peace… so they decide to take the role of Wally via taking the fingers, and replacing them with his, effectively becoming Wally while being themselves.
Mid: Same Old Thing
They decide to contain the man in the wall. They become the most powerful Tenno there is… they have only one purpose, bringing both chaos and order to the origin system.
Lua: The Man Who Sold The World
They decide to take Wally’s second deal, and Wally possesses the Operator, only this time… permanently. Now with a Physical body and godlike powers, they spreads fear through the Origin System, only leaving alive those who worship them.

[balmy storm]

How does beating Wally not give us a purpose?
Why would we bring chaos to the system?
We already took Wally’s deal on the Zariman, we just haven’t upheld our end of the bargain.

[wise solstice]

A different deal

[wise solstice]

Chaos among the enemy

Also them not having a purpose? That’s probably something I have to change or figure out

Considering I came up with this just now

[balmy storm]

I doubt we’d take another deal from him

[balmy storm]

So what we already do which is keep balance in the system

[wise solstice]

That’s why i dubbed it “Same Old Thing”

[balmy storm]

Defeating Wally wouldn’t remove our purpose, he isn’t our only enemy

[wise solstice]

As I said, I’d have to change it-

[balmy storm]

You could take the route, and I really doubt this will happen but.
You could take the route of by defeating Wally our piece of him within us and all Tenno is removed, which then removes our abilities but considering that would go against gameplay I really doubt that’s something they would do for an extended period of time

It would not however remove transference, just our innate ability of transference

[wise solstice]

Yeah true

I gotta fix up the plot holes and things that go against the plot

But I just came up with it on the fly, so there will be flaws

[balmy storm]

Whatever way we deal with him you have to account for:
Gameplay being the same and/or gaining a new ability

[wise solstice]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Like the void arc isn’t the end of the game too so
No ending like that

Beyond Wally DE has plenty they can do, this is just the biggest and oldest set up thing atm iirc

[small zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391098212856889528/1431388415710199981/wprubh4317_2.gif

[wise solstice]

An ending that’s a cliffhanger and an actual ending would have to be the ending to Warframe

Example:
an ending similar to inFAMOUS: first light

[balmy storm]

I mean a sorta cliffhanger we will always have is the fact we will never know what Wally is really

[wise solstice]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

That’s explicitly something we will never know the whole truth on

Which I’d prefer and am okay with

1. Mystery
2. Lets us theorize

[wise solstice]

I feel like the operator (effectively) killing or containing Wally would be the good/mid ending

[balmy storm]

Containment is the best and most likely case tbh

[wise solstice]

The bad ending would be Wally convincing the Operator to make a second deal that would make Wally all powerful (again?)

[balmy storm]

The Murmur need to still be a faction (they are just him) and if he is killed what remnants of him there are may just dissipate (Our piece of him, anything that uses a reliquary)

[balmy storm]

He doesn’t need a deal to do that

[wise solstice]

Effectively killing him

[balmy storm]

He’s been looking for his finger and chekov’s gun says he will get it, for a time

[balmy storm]

This is why he can’t die, on the assumption that killing him nullifies his pieces, pieces he is still connected to

[wise solstice]

I’d say the boss battle would be us and maybe a few other characters protecting one of two of those things

[balmy storm]

There’s multiple but he only needs one

[wise solstice]

True

[balmy storm]

The finger situation, the originals anyway sound like they are paradoxically multiple and singular

He just needs one and he is no longer bound to the strands of khra exclusively

[wise solstice]

Yeah, but I’m sure the moment he finds one while we’re near it, he’d go for that one specifically

And we’d have to protect it

[balmy storm]

Whatever new war-esque situation we get I can see him getting the finger and possibly rewriting history in whatever way he chooses

[wise solstice]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Which would be like
A billion times worse than Ballas taking over the system

The issue then is how we defeat him from there, which will likely involve love as it’s our best weapon against him

We’ll find out in what
2-3 years?

Tau first
Wally later (presumably)

[wise solstice]

The only problem with him having the last finger, is he can just make the Zariman successfully get to Tau

[balmy storm]

*original finger

Also he’s
The one who likely caused the incident in the first place?

[wise solstice]

Do we even know that yet?

It was probably maybe him
But it could’ve just been Engineering failing for the thousandth time

[balmy storm]

It’s hinted at which is the best we get with this game sometimes lmao
Either way he was present, made the adults feral and pitted the children against them

[balmy storm]

It was likely a mix of factors but
He was literally there the day of

He showed up to Yonta as herself while she was in the Reliquary Drive room, smiling away as always

[wise solstice]

True

But he could’ve been there because well
It’s the void

[balmy storm]

Like yes the crew were more than stressed by the Orokin but that’s just perfect for him making things go extra wrong

[wise solstice]

He (probably) has eyes and ears all over the void

[balmy storm]

His

Finger was there
He can speak and move them

Heck he seems to always know where we are, he’s likely always watching us through the piece of himself

[wise solstice]

True

What part of him do we even have anyways?

[balmy storm]

Just a piece of him

Collectively, all tenno

[wise solstice]

So like a random piece of him

[balmy storm]

He’s spoken to us through it like he has with the finger

[balmy storm]

He likely doesn’t have a true form so it doesn’t really matter, it’s all him

[wise solstice]

For all we know we could have a piece of ass skin in our bloodstream

[balmy storm]

It’s like the Murmur
It’s just a bit of him

[wise solstice]

Fair

[balmy storm]

Our DNA is void saturated, I think it goes a bit deeper

[wise solstice]

Also true but you get the joke

[balmy storm]

We also like
Literally turn into void energy on the daily

Ye

[wise solstice]

I feel like the Operator would probably accept a second deal if it was smartly worded
“You let me get my finger… ad you? You’ll be whatever you wish to be. A normal child, a dax… or stay as what you are..! But all I need… that. Stupid. Finger.”

[balmy storm]

He tried that already in Isleweaver with Drifter
Ain’t no way either one is listening to their literal abuser about a deal again

[wise solstice]

The Drifter definitely wouldn’t
The operator? Thats a maybe

[balmy storm]

No…

[wise solstice]

The Drifter has a very different story, remember

[balmy storm]

They definitely wouldn’t

Different or not they both have the same base trauma of the Zariman
The difference is that one got their own personal hell and the other got TO GO TO WAR AS A CHILD

[wise solstice]

True

[real niche]

You're forgetting the fact that everyone on the Zariman had to shoot their way through their parents and then were turned into child soldiers.

[balmy storm]

So uh. No I don’t think another deal is happening with us.

With someone else? Yeah, already has happened
But not us
Never again

[wise solstice]

True aswell, but was the going to war part really Wally’s fault?

[balmy storm]

Yes.

He gave us those powers, without those we wouldn’t have gone to war.

Heck if he is what caused the entire incident there may have not been a war if he did nothing

[wise solstice]

I think it should be a choice because of
A: Player’s Curiosity
B: The Tenno probably know that if they get the finger, they could keep their side of the second deal
C: it’s supposed to be a bad ending, and bad endings mostly mean stupid choices

[balmy storm]

None of those really sound like they’re in character for someone going up against their abuser, an entity that they fear

[wise solstice]

The fear factor can also relate to a dumb decision

[balmy storm]

Curiosity is out the window cause been there done that
“Knowing” we can get the finger is too much of a gamble
And sure, bad endings can happen but not always cause we make a poor decision, what poor decision did we make for Ballas to gaslight our mom, use her up and take over the system?

[real niche]

B is dumb in the context of WF's current story because we know Wally is happy to just fudge the details of the deal to whatever would suit him, see: Whispers In The Walls
C I don't buy from a storytelling perspective in general because a bad end could just be doing everything right but it wasn't good enough.

[undone lodge]

Also wouldn’t fit this being a Moon ending

[wise solstice]

It wasn’t our decision that time

[balmy storm]

Also in terms of player choice you need to still account for gameplay after the fact

[balmy storm]

Yeah, that system isn’t “good option, mid option, bad option”

[wise solstice]

That is true. We could make it a New Game + system

[wise solstice]

That is true, it’s Order, Neutral, Chaos
But it’d be cool still

[balmy storm]

What I’m saying is player choice still needs to result in the same outcome for everyone to some extent

[wise solstice]

True. I’d say every ending either has some kind of ending where something happens that would require a New Game + situation
And I don’t mean SP, I mean a Dying Light new game + system

And the beginning dialogue could be different between Ordis and the Operator where Ordis hid their stuff in the Helmith room or something like that

[balmy storm]

Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready.

This is from Teshin

[wise solstice]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t say it’s order, neutral and chaos

[undone lodge]

Sun is passionate action, Moon pragmatism, and Neutral a balanced approach

[wise solstice]

Chaos can be right
Order can be wrong
Neutral can be… well… neutral

[balmy storm]

It’s not about right and wrong…

[wise solstice]

I know, I’m just saying that Chaos and Order don’t have to be right or wrong

They both can be either or

Or just be in the middle

[real niche]

It's also not about chaos and order, regardless

[wise solstice]

I guess

It does have some relations to those two things though

[balmy storm]

It’s more about personal choice than chaos or order

I wouldn’t even call the tenno chaotic, they keep the balance, they keep a degree of order
Not with a heavy fist to all but only to those who oppress

[wise solstice]

And usually our choices in dialogue are either kind of violent, very violent, or the opposite, or just very eh

[balmy storm]

They typically are emotional, logical or a mix of the two iirc

Y’know
Like how Teshin described

I don’t really see any path where the tenno choose to be chaotic, especially after dealing with Wally

[wise solstice]

Yeah
But emotional responses are usually Chaotic or Neutral
Logical are usually the ‘Order’ actions or neutral

[balmy storm]

So either one being tied to chaos specifically just
Does not work

Also idk any time being logical was chaotic, being emotional is more chaotic

[wise solstice]

True

[balmy storm]

[wise solstice]

I changed it

Saw my mistake

I’m typing fast

[small zealot]

did you know that when u pet a cat the cat is more cat because you're catting the pet

[amber terrace]

What came first, Nokko or Venus’ mushrooms?

[rain otter]

Probably venus' mushrooms.

And then the orokin make him out of the mushrooms and infestation and through that we got our current roots and fruits in the underminds. @amber terrace

[balmy storm]

The Roots and Fruits.

[balmy storm]

It sounds like they didn’t make him tho

[rain otter]

Okay they made nokko just he's made of infestation which is older.

[balmy storm]

What?

Nightcap says he wasn’t some orokin lab leftover

[rain otter]

well "made"

He didn't think he was

[balmy storm]

And the Orokin didn’t make the infestation

[rain otter]

yee.

[balmy storm]

Idk what you mean

[rain otter]

i think we might agree lmao.

But i think he is from a "orokin" lab combining mushrooms with a warframe but the "it feels older" is cuz of how old the infestation is.

[balmy storm]

No
Nightcap says he wasn’t made in a lab-
It’s the roots and fruits that are older than anything from the Orokin

[rain otter]

Okay

i think Nokko was made with mushrooms as part of like ballas trying to do something.

but also the roots and fruits are very old.

[undone lodge]

Icl I wouldn’t trust a random Solaris for valid facts on what can and can’t come out of the labs of an old and notably more advanced empire that he wasn’t apart of

But also I’m pretty sure he’s also not actually saying that he’s not from an Orokin lab

Well look at you, Nokko. You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits."

I think the key bit here is meant to be leftover, as in, he is not a leftover freak, but has become something more than the lab’s creation and joined the circle, because the way the second part is written doesn’t really fit “he isn’t from this”

If he’s just saying that he’s not from an orokin lab, why is he specifying that nokko became part of the roots and fruits, and why say “somewhere along the line”? He’s not said anything about some previous life Nokko might have had before this, so it’d be more fitting for somewhere along the line to be referring to a process that happened

Like, the process of whatever happened in the lab, leading up to his current state as part of the roots and fruits

[tame canopy]

LOL

Imma be real I think this is a legit possible canon answer, I have never seen any irl like animals in the origin systems whatsoever

Like iirc the cephaloh fragments said the animals we're seeing are mutated specimens that got into the wild and eventually adapted to the enviroment

So there's no "sheep" as we know it, but maybe there's something that serves similar purposes, idk

[half light]

the ostrons may have something like that imo, or some animal whose leather they use to make clothing for winter. the rest of the system probably uses temp-adaptive hyper-weave clothing or smth like that

[sick carbon]

How do I get Operator stuff again? The void cascade part of the Zariman quest is kicking my teeth in.

[rain otter]

You equipped like

The siccirro right? @sick carbon

[sick carbon]

Yeah, that's not the problem I think. I think there' s just too much happening at the final objective. TWO of those phantom things are around and a ton of grineer. Struggling to get through that part. D:

[rain otter]

Okay so the thrax when they are "ghosts" shoot them with your amp and they should just die. Otherwise you can hurt them with your warframe until they actually turn into a ghost.

[sick carbon]

Between the cascade failure field AND the void tears creating another field I don't really have room to use my warframe. At least that's what happened the last run.

[rain otter]

The tears you can shoot to make them go away.

[sick carbon]

Figured out what the problem was. The thrax not only left their own red tears, but even their weapons did, that was what was messing me up. Finally got it done. 😄

I'd never faced them before this story mission so there was a lot to deal with at once. >.>

Didn't wanna risk posting about it in non spoiler chat just in case.

The ambience when you're not being attacked on the zariman is so spooky and I love it. 😍

[tropic venture]

Zariman's OST is still some of my favourite in the game

[torpid bloom]

After ending 1999, in lore perspective. What now? Is there something else to do or do I just wait for the next chapter(

[cerulean kiln]

Old Peace
Tau 2026

There's also the Techrot Encore stuff if you haven't done that already

There is also Iskeweaver that is set after 1999’s events

[torpid bloom]

where can i find those, i try to principal missions but they are all over so should i go to secondary or what do i do?? , i am currently maxing out all the reputation stat so thats keeping me active

[undone lodge]

Isleweaver is an option for Duviri, you’ll want to check out transcripts and videos of Operation Eight Claw, the event that introduced it

Old Peace isn’t out yet

There’s also the Undermind stuff in the Deepmines beneath Fortuna and the Vallis, you just go to Fortuna, go to the back and you’ll find a vent with mushrooms coming out of it

Approach to interact and enter it and you’ll meet Nightcap, a Solaris and former Corpus worker who’s been down there for several years

He sells plant decorations, has a Field Guide you can fill by collecting enough mushrooms during missions (which also ranks up the “syndicate” and if you feed a mushroom called “The Prince”, you can unlock visions that reveal Nightcap’s backstory as you progress

It’s not visible at first so just go to the big raised platform and you’ll see the option to feed it

[torpid bloom]

i already did "The prince" but havent really finished the whole collection

[tropic venture]

They're the next big updates

[fringe pond]

The only things that make you unable to use your warframe are those tall grineer guys
Not the Thrax

[steep totem]

Gotta pick 'em all!

[celest hollow]

keep your voice down... they might hear you

bruv might get repo'ed harder than thursby at this rate

[quick mica]

Is either Archimedias something I can be carried through to get Nightwave credit?

[rain otter]

Its possible.

[drifting copper]

started Angels of Zariman

i dont think this is normal LMAO

[fervent anchor]

And I thought the forehead bug was cursed 😭 🤣

[gritty flume]

i just realised something...

nightcap is literally spared from narmer

[tropic venture]

No, but it's oddly fitting

[balmy storm]

They didnt know about him and he was chilling with the roots n fruits

[zenith jacinth]

At the cost of joining a different sorta hivemind

[gaunt star]

Tenno, i chromed my shi

[steep delta]

nyone have a gif of when Ballas commands Umbra to "Stop" in the sacrifice quest...

i need the gif bad

[pliant saffron]

this get dropped here yet?

[steep delta]

That's coming with Old Peace or...?

[celest hollow]

No but I have this

[cerulean kiln]

We haven’t got a release date or anything for it that’s just the concept art we got for reaching 130k donated to Qtcc

[celest hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316121526038433882/1343591938695233536/image0.gif

[pliant saffron]

I wanna say probably old peace, they said they've been sitting on it for a bit

[balmy storm]

How long was it between the reveal during qtcc and the skin’s release in the past? I think they did this at least one other time

[tame canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtF6jiLxc88
remembering that time Arthur ghosted me after I said I liked this

Also, I've been meaning to ask but I somehow stumbled my way onto creating a kuva lich in hollvania, so what are they?

And I got a technocyte coda on me lol (the fact this band is part of the infested 💀 )

[balmy badger]

IIRC, the actual band isn't Infested, the Coda are just clones of them.

[balmy storm]

Yup!

[rain otter]

Well no.

[tame canopy]

Clones??????? Why are they being cloned?

👁️

[rain otter]

They where a replacement to the actual band

cuz they thought they where getting too upitdy.

SO they are actually a AI chat bot basiclly.

that the record company wanted to use instead of the actual band.

and then they evoled in a way to be more than that and out of the hands of the Producer and such that wanted to use them.

[tame canopy]

Wtf 1999 got a faction that's doing cloning via Infestation strains?

Fyi I literally got a coda on me yesterday

It's still there, commenting whenever I log in

[rain otter]

WELL not anymore.

[balmy badger]

(There's a computer in the same room as Aoi in the mall with the story relating to this topic if you want to see all the details)

[tame canopy]

I know nothing about it whatsoever lol

[rain otter]

they just wanted to use them for Audio interviews and stuff instead of the band

as you can TELL they escaped.

[rain otter]

OH they are way easier and funner than the normal version.

of liches.

@tame canopy so first. how many anti virus mods do you have?

[tame canopy]

Ummmm
the green mods, right? Only one 💀

[rain otter]

you can do a bounty to get more.

[tame canopy]

So far I've been getting mods that gives % disinfection and other bonuses.

[rain otter]

its in the bounty board.

[tame canopy]

Oh really? I see I see

[rain otter]

you need those after you figure out what antivirus mod it is.

you check the anti viruse mods 3 at a time. @tame canopy

[tame canopy]

Wait, wdym by figuring out what antivirus mod it is?

[rain otter]

have you done a normal lich before?

[tame canopy]

No....

I also created a kuva lich yesterday, same time as the coda

[rain otter]

you can't have made both.

[tame canopy]

Idk, man, it gave me the achievement and Im pretty sure I got coda at the same time

as in, the coda happened yesterday as well, not that it both occurred simultaneously

I was using parallax in a bounty for hex treasures, found something odd, went and picked it up, and then I think I saw a computer so I walked to it while holding the thing to interact, I hacked it, and it said I created a kuva lich

Sad part is, there were no instructions on either features. the only info I got for Coda is from the tutorial button when you check them out

here's the coda I have

Idk how to find the kuva lich sadly

So idk what to do with this thing lol

[pliant saffron]

Do 1999 missions with the extra symbols and find the correct key mod for your dagger

You can look on the bounty board for the extra symbol

[tame canopy]

Ahh neato neato, I shall try it then, thank you 🙏

[pliant saffron]

No problem

[tame canopy]

Woah, I thought this was a one time-thing, you're saying we can fight him again?

does he give anything else beside his weapon bp?

[pliant saffron]

If I remember right, he gives a pistol riven..... don't hold me to that. There are also cheaper ways to get normal rivens

And the swords a one time drop I believe

Simaris should have the BP after the first fight

[tame canopy]

I see I see ok then, I suppose fighting again is probably only good for codes scanning

[tight pagoda]

Back when the achievement was made, there were only Kuva Liches, but all 3 give the achievement

[tight pagoda]

Here's the tutorial they gave for the Technocyte Coda. The Liches are a bit more complex and I don't think they did a video on them.

https://youtu.be/vomJATTykvg?si=uzSFLUQnQ2qgMxak

[tame canopy]

Awesome, thank you!

[rain otter]

@tame canopy I told you.

@tame canopy okay with coda you can check 3 anti viruses at once when you stab them and there's never a reason to not stab them cuz they don't level up.

@tame canopy also do the mission that gives the anti virus mods to get the ones you don't have have first.

[tame canopy]

So it tells you what antivirus you'll get directly after completion?

[rain otter]

Do you mean?

On the mission on the boity board that gives you them? Yes.

[tame canopy]

yeah something like that

[rain otter]

Also

Stabbing the coda gives you a standing item.

Always.

@tame canopy okay go to the Bounty board now and take a screenshot.

[tame canopy]

All right then

[rain otter]

Yeah do that and then at the end it tells you what you got.

[tame canopy]

Got it. I'll do it later lol

[rain otter]

Yee.

[shadow forum]

so kuva and sister of parvos have scenes, but technocyte in codex didn't got any scene yet 😄 I hope we see and that one.

[sacred pebble]

So why the moon named lua ?

[rain otter]

It can't be named "moon."

Now can it?

[sacred pebble]

Idk that why im asking

No like what happened to the moon to be destroyed like that i don’t remember

[rain otter]

Hampter. We aren't just on earth. We go to other moons.

[sacred pebble]

What

[rain otter]

Okay

Do you know how many moons Saturn has?

[sacred pebble]

Yea

[rain otter]

Or that diemos is mars' moon.

How could we name the earths moon

Just "moon".

[sacred pebble]

Hmm i need to stop playing this game

[rain otter]

Why?

But I'm saying this is like calling your dog "dog".

[sacred pebble]

My brain ain’t working right after i played to much

[rain otter]

Lul.

[sacred pebble]

Does lua mean moon ?

[rain otter]

Just don't play as much.

[rain otter]

Yeah in Latin I think. But it's called Lau cuz it needs a name.

[sacred pebble]

Why didn’t you say that in the first place

[undone lodge]

luna means moon

Like lunar

In a bunch of languages too

Its just called Lua to sound more unique and distant

[undone lodge]

It’s not destroyed but it got destabilised when we brought it back to the solar system from the void by wrecking the machines keeping it there

[sacred pebble]

Interesting so i did the lotus eater quest what does that mean?

[undone lodge]

Hunhow: "Collapse the Void, Shadow, so that my fragments may attack. The Tenno hearts will beat their last."

Lotus: "No! If the Void is collapsed, the Reservoir will be destroyed, and you and the rest of the Tenno will be lost. Get to the Void Control Room and stop the Stalker."

Alad V: "Hiding the Moon in the Void – quite the magic trick, Lotus. But Tenno, you must be asking yourself, 'Where is this heart, if not in my chest?'"

Stalker: "It is done."

Hunhow: "The Moon will soon be crushed by the weight of the Void. The sky will be as it should be."

Alad V: "Void collapse? Oh no; it would be such a shame to lose the Moon so soon after finding it. Of course, you could just put it back in its rightful place, couldn't you Lotus?"

Lotus: "I didn't want to have to do this, but the collapse is imminent. If the Reservoir is to survive we need to pull the Moon out of the Void. Here, help me disrupt Void Compasses to reorient the Moon."

[undone lodge]

It means Wally wants the Operator to go to 1999 so the Drifter will go instead

[sacred pebble]

Oh I thought he gonna eat lotus

[undone lodge]

No its

Its not literal

Its a reference to something from The Odyssey

[sacred pebble]

Oh then tysm

[undone lodge]

Np

[gritty flume]

i botched the convo again, did i not?

[zenith jacinth]

Not yet

[real niche]

You're really early on, you're fine.

[gritty flume]

i mean botched that i have to start all over...

[real niche]

Again, no

[gritty flume]

oh well

[real niche]

Oh wait

I thought this was a question

[zenith jacinth]

Nope

[real niche]

...I think they're cooked, Scrap.

[gritty flume]

yeah ooF

[zenith jacinth]

I got that reply and still succeeded

[gritty flume]

flare convo is like, lizzie wants to hug flare, but she wanted flare to accept it, and flare must accept it no matter what

it's like having to hug a disgusting, clingy thing like the person's fate is sealed to it, amorously if one have to

[opaque dove]

The convos with flare tend to be a bumpy road early on

Wait nvm

[rough crescent]

flare is the one easiest to screw up with the greatest long term consequences

[cerulean kiln]

From whdy I've saw most seem to screw up a certain marriage rather than Flare and Lizzie's relationship

[rough crescent]

the troubled couple is at least on friendly terms with eachother even if you screw it up, which is quite timeline friendly

[plush thicket]

when is the old peace coming?

[rough crescent]

later this year was it? or early next

[cerulean kiln]

December

[zenith jacinth]

Soon

[cerulean kiln]

Tau 2026 is next year

[zenith jacinth]

Omg it's vergil devil may cry

[undone lodge]

It’s Vergil Devil, brother of Dante Devil

[quick mica]

Okay so I just hit max rep with the quills. It is only the first part (prism?) that matters for MR right? So can I just build the cheapest (relative) parts to assemble a bunch of amps to level for mastery?

[hearty pendant]

yea i think its just the prism for mastery

[rough crescent]

if you are building an amp you may as well build one that actually works properly, the price difference between the parts isnt enough to hobble its later use over it

[quick mica]

Is there a "decent" build for each one? Or is it just x77 all the way down lol

Also I might not keep them all I'm not sure I'd even like some of them (and might as well free the points)

[real niche]

You make 547 for Cascade/general Operator stuff, 177 for Eidolons and everything else is irrelevant.

[quick mica]

I haven't done much research but a random post said x4x wasnt' great for Cascade stuff

[zenith jacinth]

Random post is wrong

[real niche]

yeah

[quick mica]

Fair enough

[rain otter]

Oh

i think a 147 is fine

[quick mica]

Can I drag another friend to the Profit Taker / Exploiter Orb queue if they don't have Rank 5 Solaris United?

[tight pagoda]

You can do Exploiters with them by starting in Deck 12 itself

Profit Taker needs the bounties

[quick mica]

Yeah I have some thermia from the event

[fringe pond]

Isn’t 223 the Eidolon Amp

Punch through and stuff

[winged sandal]

What since when?

It's always 1 or 577 no?

[fringe pond]

223 has infinite punch through

So you just shoot up the Eidolon’s leg or something

[winged sandal]

And it hit multiple times?

[zenith jacinth]

Punch through and aoe tends to not damage weakpoint enemies

[fringe pond]

I mean yeah but when it comes to Void damage you can just shoot it everywhere

I guess the tradeoff is raw damage

[real niche]

Not ever since Fortuna Amp parts existed no.

[fringe pond]

I see

[real niche]

177 just has the highest burst damage possible to break shields, which is all that matters with Eidos

[frigid canopy]

I'm a personal fan of 715. It's really fun