spoiler-chat

[cerulean kiln]

I find it funny the Teshin barely knows how to mod

[opaque dove]

Interesting

[lean otter]

? You sure ? Because every time i search them and the host don't have the prince max i can't interact and when i'm the host i can interact

[balmy storm]

I still gotta play it but I can see why they wanted to implant the idea of the dax earlier, I do see the issue cause it's meant to be a sorta surprise during the war within?
like
oh he was/is a dax-

[zenith jacinth]

It's a host thing not a rank thing

[cerulean kiln]

I prefer it being shown earlier as his War Within introduction with no prior introduction for most people sucked

[zenith jacinth]

I interacted with them before ranking prince

[lean otter]

Ohhhhhhh dumb thing 😅

🤔 i find only 7 and the little one in the box with the monitor
If someone find more pls tel me 😶 i kind a love décoration and useless thing in warframe 😂

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1428172300137664604

Here there the 7 i have found

[balmy storm]

His intro isnt the problem, I'm saying him being revealed as a dax much earlier could be seen as a problem

part of the issue is I dont know if newer players like
even know what a dax is?

idr how early they're spoken of

but also someone with eyes could maybe figure it out to some extent due to the opening cinematic featuring us fighting. Dax

[cerulean kiln]

It depends

Originally the earliest you could learn of a Dax was War Within but now there’s Varzia

[ripe tinsel]

I dont think it matters at all
He looks like an orokin soldier, ergo he is one, thats a dax apparently
Or maybe dax is his surname!

[cerulean kiln]

Do you have to do Old War Cinematic to actually see Varzia?

[balmy storm]

Dax are Orokin soldiers, its not a surname...

[balmy storm]

yeah they've changed it over the years

[ripe tinsel]

Yeah but do new players know?

[balmy storm]

and with the intro cinematic again, we see them

[ripe tinsel]

Hence i dont think it mattersas a reveal

[cerulean kiln]

Dax is more of a title added on the end where the last name is

[balmy storm]

I haven't played the quest yet so it really just matters how in depth they go which I doubt is too much on what a Dax is

[balmy storm]

It's a title and just what the soldiers are called iirc
Like the Thrax Dax aren't named Thrax

they're also constructs so a bit different but still

[cerulean kiln]

The quest just glosses over the fact he is it isn’t a centre point or anything

[balmy storm]

Dax is both a title and just what the funny table head soldiers are called

[ripe tinsel]

The name's Dax. James Dax.

[balmy storm]

yeah that's fine then

I imagine Dax is akin to like. Doctor in terms of titles

it's earned and it's respectful to use it but it's also a "profession" alongside a "title"

[nocturne heath]

I mean, there's the availability to play duviri out the gate, yeah? Then teshin could be introduced so early

[thick jolt]

That was scrapped a while ago

[nocturne heath]

I didn't know they took that away, but yeah. I mean having the mystique early on seems cool af. The story to me seemed to kinda lack until Second dream when I was running thru it

It's been a minute since then tho, so idk how it is now with all the QoL

[cerulean kiln]

Does Teshin even mention being a Dax in the Duviri quest?

[balmy storm]

Second dream is when things start to get really good

[balmy storm]

It sounded like Lotus calls him one but that’s it

Ok i would clip it but youtube is throwing a fit

The queen calls him teshin dax
Operator repeats teshin dax and reacts to him working for them
It def feels like it’s meant to be a reveal beyond him working for them

So while the Lotus should knows what he is the Operator doesn’t connect it till the war within

By having it be said earlier the impact of that scene may fall short, specifically for the dax reveal
Ofc idek if dax are ever established prior to the war within so idk if the reveal has as much weight for us the player as it seemingly does our tenno

[cerulean kiln]

Most probably forget it by then anyway from a new player perspective

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure

The impactful reveal is more so about him working for the queens not so much him entirely being a Dax
Of course him being one is why he’s working for them

But the reveal of why he has to work for for them is revealed in the exact same quest

The only information that newer players will have is his title in a one off-line from lotus in the teacher quest

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

In theory, should be fine

At the most you may have some players who do actually remember
But for the most part, most players will forget, but it is odd because technically our operator should not forget
But if the player forgets then it makes sense if the operator forgets

So it may or may not rely on the player, forgetting which
Maybe not the best choice

[cerulean kiln]

All it shows really is Lotus knows his name

[balmy storm]

It makes sense that she knows his name
The problem more so comes from the operator may or may not remember his title

It is a one off-line so it’s understandable if they do forget and currently, I think that would be the assumption that a new player would make by the time they get to the war within

[cerulean kiln]

Considering we have memory issues due to a long sleep we probably forgot

[balmy storm]

That or the truckload of trauma and discovery of themselves, Trump’s remembering a one off-line about a title lol

[balmy storm]

That too!

Some theory should be fine unless the player has such a good memory that they remember a one off-line about his title
Which seems unlikely, considering all of the other information that the player is fed both in terms of lore and gameplay

[cerulean kiln]

There’s still multiple quests till we even see him again considering the quest is at the very start of the game

We haven’t even woken up yet as of Teacher

[balmy storm]

Yeah, should be fine

Emphasis on should

[steep totem]

The player with the really good memory is usually me, unless it's been longer than a year
Then it's a decent memory

[fringe pond]

Hm
Anyone else feel like Erra’s death was incredibly anticlimactic?

It genuinely didn’t feel meaningful in any way, especially with how it happened and how quickly

It would have honestly made more sense for Ballas to kill him for his betrayal rather than dying by getting squished by debris

[real niche]

Nah you're right Erra's death was super limp

"Hey maybe this dude trying to eat the sun is being kind of crazy" and then dies to some rocks.

Like... thanks I guess, barely did anything to redeem yourself from realizing Ballas was a terrible person while under his foot and now you're under someone else's, congrats.

[amber terrace]

I love how this update portrays Nef Anyo as even more of a petulant man child than prior updates did

[pliant saffron]

Lore accurate nepo baby

[rain otter]

he also sounds so sad and done i love it.

bully CEOs

[formal skiff]

so, does the end bounty mushroom give you all the mushrooms you missed in the map or is it the bonus ones you earned doing the bounties?

[amber terrace]

He’s probably like this because every time he tries to do anything in the Vallis, the Tenno curb stomp what’s left of his Grofit margin further into the red

[opaque dove]

Yep, we are the unstoppable force who kick him in the metaphorical loins

[obtuse gyro]

the tenno? uuuuuuuuugh

• an actual line from undermind

[opaque dove]

Can confirm

[obtuse gyro]

I need DE to release a crying nef anyo voice over

[opaque dove]

I’m so used to him talking with so much more conviction that hearing his more normal way of speech throws me off

Like, we’ve really stomped out the energy in the guy. Doesn’t make me pity him tho

[obtuse gyro]

"staaaaaph"

[amber terrace]

And it needs to be in front of a portrait of his “father”, Parvos Granum while in the background, explosions and crewman screaming can be heard

[opaque dove]

Nef is the most miserable, sorry excuse of a person I don’t even feel that bad for him.

[balmy storm]

Maybe we’re slowly reaching a full Nef crashout

And then finally we get the Nef boss fight

[opaque dove]

I mean. There was for a while.

[balmy storm]

Nah like an official one where he whines the whole time

[opaque dove]

Maybe have him occasionally yell at us Vay Hek style because he’s fed tf up

[amber terrace]

I’m reading the red text

Why, in blazes, did demolishers get DA???

[steep totem]

To make them tougher, was the reasoning iirc

[amber terrace]

Also, Archgun Arcane adapters were supposed to be in the bounty drop tables???

[steep totem]

That makes perfect sense

[rain otter]

the bonus is from All mushrooms. it doesn't give you the ones you missed.

if you wanna know what Mushrooms the bounty gives you i can show you. @formal skiff

[formal skiff]

ah, thank you.

[thick jolt]

found the best sprodling

[rain otter]

here is what mushroms you get based on bounty. you always get 2 from colony and 2 based on bounty.

[formal skiff]

amazing, thank you very much

[amber terrace]

On jah fr fr I’m stealing this

[rain otter]

Yeah i figured this out at like 3am and then made this like a hour later.

[balmy storm]

I did weed the garden and didnt get a nonono btw
I gotta run it more but it may just be an increased chance and I got unlucky

[rain otter]

oh yeah you aren't always gonna get it but you will get 2 of the 4

can you get 2 of the same maybe

[balmy storm]

Yeee

I do want more nonono specifically

That and the trumpet
They seem the hardest to get tbh

[hearty pendant]

yea i think i got 2 puffballs in one mission earlier
(also after the hotfix there might be 5 pickups??? massive grain of salt on that tho)

[rain otter]

@balmy storm i just got 2 nononos in a row

[rain otter]

in SP their should be.

[hearty pendant]

ah that would also make sense

[rain otter]

In SP there's 3 bounty 2 colony

but it's a random bounty @hearty pendant

so you know

[hearty pendant]

oh, interesting
didn't really touch the sp variant until today and i had only gotten 4/5 on the runs before the hotfix ig

[balmy storm]

THE DOUBLE NONONOS ARE REAL

[rain otter]

yeah

but yeah you only get the mushrooms for that area on the chart

like you can't get nononos anywhere else unless it's a bonus one.

unless you do the garden bounty

[balmy storm]

Yee

[tight pagoda]

nononononono

[balmy storm]

I love nonono so much

Best shroom(?)

[weary wyvern]

I did a google translate of this
Google says she dropped an F bomb
I know what the word Puta means
Lettie called that guitar a, uh, lady escort. XD

(Unless it's one of those words that translates multiple ways?)

[wild wind]

It doesn't lol

Just means "wh*re"

[zenith jacinth]

It indeed refers to a specific garden tool

[wild wind]

heh

Spanish is such a fun language

[weary wyvern]

HA

I adore Lettie, she's really funny.

[wild wind]

this is also why you don't trust any kind of AI translation!

Yeah she has all the good lines

[zenith jacinth]

Lizzie going >:3

[weary wyvern]

YEAH. There was a brief window where Google Translate was decent. But it's gotta reeeaaal bad

[wild wind]

It's the same thing that always happens with these automatic tools

[weary wyvern]

Yeah :c

[wild wind]

They put too much in.

[zenith jacinth]

Shareholders want the big new thing everywhere

[wild wind]

Back in the day Siri delivered perfect answers about a very limited field of information

When they moved Siri to use Google, it started getting basic math wrong

this is around 2011 mind you

[zenith jacinth]

Ugh now I'm remembering that some crypto company ruined one of my favorite f2p games after buying the dev studio

[wild wind]

OH yeah I know that story

Absolute insanity

[zenith jacinth]

Seeing it fall apart in real time hurt emotionally

[wild wind]

I know that feel

The one and only gacha game that I liked and was actually good went on life support 18 months ago

[zenith jacinth]

Gaming market sucks nowadays man

I only get excited for wf and indie games

Anyways yeah wf

Uh... nokko nokko nokko

[wild wind]

hang on

Oberon has deer horns

Deer in Japanese is "shika"

"Shika" and "Nokko"....

oh no

the meme game is too strong

[balmy storm]

:D

We need an antler signa

You know why
Also it would just look good on him-

He even has pointy ears!
Totally could say it’s a deer!

[wild wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv__9O5CZok

[balmy storm]

I heard the show wasn’t really good beyond the memes

[wild wind]

this is just Warframe promise

[balmy storm]

That being said I like the goofy

[wild wind]

It really wasn't

[balmy storm]

Anyway yeah warframe
Give us antlers

[wild wind]

The memes were strong though

[balmy storm]

Antler signa would go great on every frame

[wild wind]

also if you want something similar look up The Daily Life of High School Boys"

[balmy storm]

the Nokko tennogen helmets are gonna go insane…

There’s so many cool mushrooms

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-bite-gif-8650627598974737671

Imagine this

[wild wind]

Nidus 2.0 😄

[weary wyvern]

Shareholders

[balmy storm]

Horrible gif I’m sorry but I wanted a quick way to show the cool mushroom

The
Idk what to call it.

[weary wyvern]

Mushrooms are very cool and scary

[balmy storm]

They’re the coolest

Aren’t they good against radiation or somethinf

[wild wind]

some are, yeah

[balmy storm]

Ik some scientists made bricks with them that were heat resistant

[weary wyvern]

Some mushrooms have been found feeding on the radation at Chernobyl, I believe

[balmy storm]

YEAH

[wild wind]

there's a subterranean biome about a mile under the planet's surface

[balmy storm]

I did a Nokko based on me remembering something something mushroom something something radiation lol

[zenith jacinth]

"Net trap deployed"

[wild wind]

That has roughly as much biomass as we have here on the surface

[balmy storm]

Yeah ig its a net

I want a helmet with the net
Which his current alt kinda has

I know someone’s already going to do the mushroom that “bleeds”

Like it looks like it has blood bubbles iirc?

[zenith jacinth]

Ah ye you bought nokko. Want me to tell ye the fashion idea I have for him

[balmy storm]

Y e s

I love mushrooms

[zenith jacinth]

I'll DM so it remains as unknown as possible

[balmy storm]

Okay lmao

[zenith jacinth]

Not a mushroom fashion tho

[balmy storm]

Ye that’s ok

[zenith jacinth]

Sent

[amber terrace]

A quirk I love about Nightcap is how he refers to the Corpus as “corporate” more often than “taxman”

It truly makes me wonder about the stratification of Solaris society

[zenith jacinth]

Well he usually calls them "invasives"

[amber terrace]

True

[tight pagoda]

And Mercenaries (merk-merks)

Which is interesting, I never considered Corpus soliders being third-party conscripts (from my understanding that's what a mercenary is in this context)

[balmy storm]

Banger

[amber terrace]

no Narmer
Nice callback
no Grineer
???
no Corpus Usurper
He’s still angy about the deadlock protocol

[night grail]

Notice he never said "no tenno"

Obviously that means we are more than welcome, right?

[steep totem]

I think it means he knows better than to try and keep us out

[rough crescent]

the only time i can recall that the corpus actually kept us out we opted to just drop a bomb down the shaft instead

[simple patrol]

“Corpus userpers” my brother in finance, you brought him back, that was all you.

[rough crescent]

and is it really an usurper when the position was always his to begin with?

[half light]

https://youtu.be/NjKa1sHuIFg?si=jo3rDs-Jwo_U4vb4

this still lives rent free in my head

he really sounds like he's going to break down if he says anything else

[amber terrace]

I genuinely can’t decide what I like more about this update, Nightcap’s existence, Nef whining, or Archgun arcanes

Massive kudos to DE

[golden anvil]

What is the purple stem path and should I feed the prince more before doing it?

[rain otter]

Isn't it the first vision. Do the first vision before feeding it more. I think that's purple path.

@golden anvil its the only path you have right?

If so do it.

[tight pagoda]

Lore

You just get a little high and then learn about Nightcap and Nokko

[amber terrace]

Do I have to play the stem path to rank up The Prince or can I get all three ranks and play the stem paths back to back to back?

[rain otter]

i think you can rank it up to max and then do them.

i don't see why not.

[amber terrace]

Either way, it’s almost 1 AM for me, I only need to max out the Gas, Tau, Corrosive, and Void mushrooms and then I can see Nightcap in the face

TL;DR me tired me almost done me go to bed

Crap, it’s still more than one line of text

[rain otter]

That's just Garden then?

[rain otter]

right?

WEll no

Nonono is the void one

Corrosive is restruceing

[amber terrace]

I am missing exactly one mushroom from each of the zones

[rain otter]

And then Tau i think is Critter.

oh lmao.

remember you can turn in fully alanyzed mushrooms into the currency

[amber terrace]

Gas is starting area, Corrosive is restructuring, Void is garden, and Tau is critters

[rain otter]

well you always get 2 from the starting area

so you should get that soonish.

[amber terrace]

I know the juice is most certainly not worth the squeeze, if I can’t get it next sleep cycle after a good 2-3 bounty A-C rotations, I’m gonna cash in my pity currency to finish out

[rain otter]

I mean it's more like

what else are you gonna do with it

also you can use it buy another nokko

[amber terrace]

For Gas I only need 2(20 whatsits), Tau is 6(60 whatsits), Corrosive is 5(50 whatsits), and Void is 10(100 whatsits)

[rain otter]

yee.

[amber terrace]

That’s like 230 fero-whatevers

Feroglytes

[rain otter]

yee

[amber terrace]

When the notion of a syndicate was mentioned, I thought this was gonna be another week long struggle session, not two ish days

[obtuse gyro]

actually... I only just reached R4 nightcap but I could already see his face

maybe its tied to the Prince

[rain otter]

it is tied to the prince.

[amber terrace]

Wait

So y’all are telling me that if I want to see Nightcap’s face, all I had to do was feed the Prince?

🫩

[rain otter]

yo

i got A NOKKO BP

what do we think is the over under on a echoes update for this

[amber terrace]

I mean, this update lowkey feels like something to keep Warframe players occupied while DE cooks us up some delicious Tau(and I guess devils triad also but whatever)

Not that there’s anything wrong with filler updates btw

[rough crescent]

this is more substantial than most filler updates

and it doesnt feel super tedious, this bounty set is a nice change

though i do need to figure out where the art blueprints are all at

[rain otter]

I Have a question

This title set feels set

Also it's coded like a open world I can tell cuz its not pausable

[rough crescent]

its a set map yeah

each bounty sends you a different direction from the central area

and it probably is coded as part of the valis

that would explain a few other details i noticed

[rain otter]

yeah

that's what i though.\

[junior aurora]

If i keep feeding the prince will anything change?

[cerulean kiln]

After completing it or before?

[twilit tendon]

Yes

But only if you haven’t finished it

[junior aurora]

Ima guess its gonna chance 3 times

[balmy storm]

Did Koumei have an echoes

[balmy storm]

You’d be correct

[zenith jacinth]

No

But koumei was also just one mission

[pastel frost]

why does that small inland by Kullervo's Hold not exist?

[fringe pond]

That’s literally what they said it was lmao

[covert tree]

What's the lore reason for evil baro

[real niche]

Made a deal with Wally. He's not evil, just regretful

[covert tree]

Ah

Is he the same baro as normal baro id assume so because isnt there only one

[undone lodge]

Sprodlings weeping and sobbing rn

[balmy storm]

He did collapse all of himselves into one dude yes

[balmy storm]

They’re good too

[real niche]

There is exactly one Baro now, actually.

Across all realities lol

[covert tree]

Ik

The one the only

So hes just feeling sad atm thats why he decided to be red

[balmy storm]

Could say he’s feeling

Haunted

[undone lodge]

Also did something happen with Baro recently aside from the red stuff

I saw a bunch of people thirsting over him in Region

But they were like, weirdly fixated on it for a bit, even for Region

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nelson-nasa-moon-haunted-gif-11255602506797884933

[covert tree]

Oh

[pearl geyser]

Sounds like Region being Region tbh

[rough crescent]

interesting observance, is nokko actually a warframe?

cause it sounds like he wasnt a built/made thing and probably has no human component, with his transference compatibility probably just being related to the whole fungus mycelia thing

[undone lodge]

He was a normal warframe, but became “something more” according to something Nightcap said

I’d try and a quote but I doubt the transcripts are up yet

[rough crescent]

from what ive seen so far its sounding like hes part of the natural flora somehow

though the part about being from the time of fire, the timescales mentioned could be either the fall after the orokin era or the pre orokin venus

given weve never been given even a rough estimate on how long its been since the fall

[zenith jacinth]

He became part of it

[rain otter]

Yes. I think his infestation combined with mushrooms

And the prince and such is like kinda a hive mind with the benevolence of nokko. @rough crescent

[undone lodge]

Speaking of, just wanted to make sure I’m understanding right

Nokko is just like, out there (potentially dead out there, but out there), right?

[rough crescent]

i havent seen anything that mentions where he actually came from initially yet, though i AM only at r3 so might be new dialog that hasnt come up yet

[rain otter]

Maybe.

[rough crescent]

the implication seems to be that he lost his form at some point for whatever reason, but hes definitely still part of the fungal hivemind

i kinda suspect either that nokko the combat form just wasnt needed during the time of isolation, or maybe the situation with nightcap could have cause the loss too

[quick smelt]

Kinda like most warframes, yeah

Out there
But dead

Well
“Dead” is different for warframes

[rough crescent]

the more recent warframes weve found their fragments where they died, so the undermine is going to be where nokko 'died' to the extent that term could be appllied anyway

and given the apparent intelligence of the fungi its possible its giving us the blueprints fully intending us to restore him

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf fungi are just smart irl too

For a non-mobile lifeform

[rough crescent]

you dont get that much of a network without some level of processing happening

[amber terrace]

I did all of the stem paths and I got Nightcap to R5 and he still isn’t showing his face?

How do I get Nightcap to show his face?

Nvm, I just had to reload Fortuna

But now I gotta see about getting that glyph whatsit

[pliant saffron]

Prince

[amber terrace]

I fed Prince to R3 and did all of the stem paths

Either way, I reloaded my Fortuna and it fixed it

And for some reason I didn’t receive an inbox about the cheeky mini shroom whatsit but I still have them?

[rough crescent]

it wasnt a message, they just got added as pickups

[night grail]

Not even pickups just added to your account afaik

[rough crescent]

it showed up on screen like a pickup for me

nightcaps face opened up right there without haivng to relaod too

i think it not doing that is a glitch

[fathom tundra]

duuude they got rid of the rogue narmers ontop of fortuna

idk when it happened but it was at some point between the start of last month and now

didn't even mention it in the patch notes vro is just gone

[surreal schooner]

Guys is this meant to happen with the drifter?

[balmy storm]

They got better

[balmy storm]

The reflection or seeing your frame through them when aiming?
Cause both are yes

[surreal schooner]

but I'm not aiming, and I'm seeing my frame through the drifter

[balmy storm]

What ephemera are you using on the frame?

Oh wait nvm i see it

I haven’t seen that ephemera cause this but it could be a new bug with it, see if it happens outside of the backroom

[opaque fog]

DOOR STUCK

[rain otter]

I can help you.

I just need a picture that isn't ALLL the way up in the door. @opaque fog

[opaque fog]

dude thats 20 mins b4

The door place is like on a platfotm

[rain otter]

In like a cave with a lot of pipes?

[opaque fog]

If one section is a room, it would be on where two rooms connect it

I think so idk

Forgor

[rain otter]

Cuz if so you gotta find a bunch of Red valves connected to pipes.

There's 4 of them.

@opaque fog

[soft pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/скала-rock-dwayne-johnson-валв-valve-gif-26437924

[warm anvil]

the first time seeing this as a kid freaked me out

[tight pagoda]

Cool as hell bug Ngl

Would be a great Captura the other way around

[knotty cobalt]

Well about The Teacher is this where they supposed to introduce Teshin and Corpus Fraction?

Great Profit

And Nef Anyo is back. Haven’t seen him since his being roasted by the Founder of Corpus himself.

[balmy storm]

He’s featured in the Undermind bounties

[knotty cobalt]

I know. It’s great to see him again since that time I mentioned above

[tame canopy]

Accidentally clicked the wrong choice vro 🥀

I was gonna click the more neutral response but the mouse lagged a lil and clicked the flirty line

😔

oh my god bruh

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-finished-cooked-finished-dog-closing-eyes-dog-with-eyes-closed-gif-8933440936102921947

Im into rping this ngl so im wondering what to pick

Honestly, given that the hex are part of a "batch", and we can make copies of them to pilot, I guess I'll select.... the middle reply

Ok I know he's upset about the thought of becoming wf but ngl the last line is devious lol

"Have you seen my rigs? lol" flaunting our wf like objects in response to quincy who's having a crisis over becoming one 🥀

WAIT
Im friendly to all of them now!

Their profiles all changed and got a lil more clarity than before

Still haven't got fresh slice tho : P

First time sending a gift, does this take real life time or game time?

[tight pagoda]

Neither, it's instant

[tame canopy]

Oh epic haha

[sharp monolith]

I'm doing The New War and I got to the part where I need to use a shield osprey on the breacher moa, but the shield osprey spawns into the wall bugged out, what can I do?

Great I had to restart the whole segment from the start after relaunching

That is...very frustrating

[sharp monolith]

Ah okay the jackal just instakills you

[balmy storm]

It’s the worst part of the entire quest

[sharp monolith]

What's up with the last orphix generator where I have to take down five(5) power nodes in 30 seconds while getting juggled by sentients

[covert tree]

Are you on the teshin part?

[sharp monolith]

yeag

I will say this for this quest: the cutscenes are choice

[hexed ridge]

are the new bounties only underground? I got one on regular orb vallis and cant fine the power cell for the mission

[cerulean kiln]

Yea, it’s called Vallis undermind for a reason

[undone lodge]

The deepmine bounties are like a separate thing in a seperate(?) mini-open world

Idk how you managed to get one of the bounties there, must’ve been a bug

[sharp monolith]

By the void I underestimated how long this quest is

[undone lodge]

New War?

[sharp monolith]

Yeah

Don't tell me I have to kill all 3 archons

[cerulean kiln]

It’s only 3-5 hours

[sharp monolith]

I've never gone this long without bullet jumping

[sharp monolith]

5 hour long cutscene

Praise clem I can finally bullet jump

It's only been 4 and a half hours

[covert tree]

Wdym

[sharp monolith]

The cutscenes were pretty good but everything between them before you get your toys back....not so much

[covert tree]

Ah

I enjoyed it

Enough that ive replayed the quest 3 times

[sharp monolith]

Insane behavior

If i ever have to redo the veso segment or the first two archon fights again I'm killing a hostage

[tropic venture]

I loved the Drifter segments, the more grounded and methodical approach fits me well

[covert tree]

The archons aren't that hard i usually do the snake wolf then owl

I enjoyed teshins gameplay

[zenith jacinth]

It's a skill check

[sharp monolith]

😂

[wanton cipher]

(Whispers in the walls) Now i know why the Doctor left, DEAR GOD THEY YAP ALOT (still love em tho)

[next phoenix]

How it feels every time I go to Venus

[covert tree]

Neff "im so done with this sh_t" Anyo

[cerulean kiln]

He tells you in the quest

[tropic venture]

yeah they were also joking with that message

[chrome nest]

From saving Fortuna from Nef to him getting roasted by Parvos THEN ruining his plans from taking over an underground ecosystem

Buddy cannot catch a break

[cerulean kiln]

It’s what he gets for being himself

[next phoenix]

Nef Anyo's always gonna catch strays, he chose to be a slave master

[pearl geyser]

Yet somehow he is still the least morally bankrupt antagonist we have

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

When did hunhow change his name to nef anyo

[pearl geyser]

Hunhow tried to mentally violate Suda, I don’t forgive that.

[zenith jacinth]

He tried to delete her

That's just murder

[pearl geyser]

By subsuming her entire personality and corrupting it. It wasn’t just murder.

[zenith jacinth]

Murder is not as morally bad as eternal family-spanning slavery

[zenith jacinth]

...no

[pearl geyser]

"The Sentient has infiltrated Suda's mind. We must isolate and destroy her immediately before she corrupts the Cephalon weave."

Simaris wanted to kill her before the ‘infection’ spread.

It was a computer virus, not an assassination.

Drilling yourself into someone’s being and rewriting them into an extension of you is a lot worse than murder or slavery.

[zenith jacinth]

He was using her as a door

Still just murder, but slow

[pearl geyser]

“Before ‘she’ corrupts the cephalon weave.” Suggests Suda was still the vector. Not ‘before Hunhow’. At the very best it’s left open to interpretation, but it’s not clear-cut.

Cephalons are vulnerable to corruption and reprogramming. Ordis and Jordis are the largest examples.

Hunhow’s ‘redemption’ into being a retired grandpa doesn’t undo the fact that he was the overarching villain of the narrative up until Ballas.

[opaque dove]

Says he will spend us to death
Doesn’t realize we are practically unstoppable and have high powered equipment

We also outcheated the cheater

[pearl geyser]

The transcript also calls the entity ‘Suda-Hunhow’.

"Sentients?! But how did they know... What? He's just an Old War memory... Get out! I won't let you take-"

[tropic venture]

Seems similar to how Sentients can hi-jack actual technology

[pearl geyser]

That sounds a lot more like someone trying to resist being taken over than ‘deleted’.

[opaque dove]

Exactly what was happening

[pearl geyser]

So yeah, I rank the violation of suda’s being as pretty evil, even if it’s been largely sidelined for ‘old retired grandpa’ Hunhow.

[zenith jacinth]

It's still only one thing vs the infinite thing anyo is doing

[opaque dove]

Definitely up there with the worst things a person/group has done

Can’t imagine how terrifying that musta been for Suda

[pearl geyser]

One very bad thing on top of trying to take over the sol system. I’m not saying Nef is good, just that Hunhow crossed a moral line he hasn’t.

[zenith jacinth]

Probably experienced ptsd

She got voluntarily glassed due to failing memory, hunhow made her experience it again

By removing her memories

[pearl geyser]

And neither hold a candle to the checklist of warcrimes Alad V does on a daily basis.

[opaque dove]

Nef’s done some bad thing. But not necessarily warcrimes

[zenith jacinth]

Quantity vs... "quality"?

P sure deck 12 actually counts as a war crime

[opaque dove]

Unnecessary loss of life and WMD?

[zenith jacinth]

I don't remember the whole list but wasn't there something about civilians...

[pearl geyser]

Even if you want to say Hunhow is ‘better’, every other antagonist rates far worse than Nef. The Grineer alone go far past slavery into genocide as a matter of policy.

[opaque dove]

Basically whole of deck 12 were workers, and the orb could be classified as some sort of WMD(Weapon if Mass Destruction)

[zenith jacinth]

The starting point was least terrible not most

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, not really

The orbs are pretty weak

[pearl geyser]

When fought by warframes maybe

[zenith jacinth]

Not counting the PT deathsplosion

[pearl geyser]

Each frame is itself a super weapon

[opaque dove]

And we also wield both
A.Necramechs
B. Archguns

So…

[zenith jacinth]

Actually least morally bankrupt antagonist probably goes to natah on a technicality or stalker

Bankrupt

I'm tired

[opaque dove]

Most morally bankrupt is probably some of the Corpus Board.

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas

[opaque dove]

Tracks

[cerulean kiln]

Cephalons can be tired?

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas is literally the reason for most bad things in the game either directly or indirectly

[opaque dove]

cough umbra

[zenith jacinth]

Somehow, the corpus isn't part of the list

[zenith jacinth]

Warframes in general, the old war, sentients, margulis' death, the new war, the grineer uprising, the tenno being weaponized...

[cerulean kiln]

The Old War

[zenith jacinth]

Already there

[pearl geyser]

I’d agree on Stalker actually, yeah. He’s never shown to hurt anyone aside from tenno or corpus.

[zenith jacinth]

Or grineer

Grineer/narmer

[pearl geyser]

Grarmer

[fringe pond]

Once again making me wonder what various factions were doing during the Narmer takeover
Like
Is it possible that the Kuva Fortress could have evaded capture since the damn thing’s moving all the time?

Or
At the very least went down fighting
I bet the Worm hated Ballas’s goofy ass

[undone lodge]

I feel like the factions all definitely had significant holdouts

Because like, after TNW it mostly just goes back to normal

Narmer still has a bunch of facilities and people, but there’s nothing to really suggest there was a particular struggle with getting back to how things were even with all the changes Narmer would’ve made

[fringe pond]

Yeah 😭
It’s basically the way it was “but now there’s evil red guys sitting around”

[chrome nest]

Not Yareli tho

Lost to a fat grineer

[fringe pond]

Entirely possible she was goofing off
No way she was getting tired from standing on Merulina

[rough crescent]

yareli is the rebellious youth, goofing off would be entirely in character

one of those frames balas regrets making

[quick smelt]

His sheer fat simply acted as an insulation, acting like nullifier bubble towards her abilities

[steep delta]

when the new update drops in december i'm buying all the upcoming protoframes and repeatedly subjecting Roathe to high level content induced ptsd lmao

Orokin scumbag gets what Orokin scumbag deserves lmao

[steep totem]

I'm personally convinced Yareli was almost out of stamina from running so much (on Merulina, but still)
If she hadn't cared so much about leading the fat slaver away from the kids, I'm pretty sure she could have nuked him easily, but probably caused lots of unnecessary deaths

[rough crescent]

her backstory would have her clown on a slaver like that to her own detriment to irritate them and/or get others clear of the fallout, its kinda how she ended up a warframe in the first place

[quick trail]

Stalker just a man consumed by vengeance. Natah was forced into becoming a weapon.

Both are incredibly tragic man

[rough crescent]

how would one go about applying morals to the infested

[zenith jacinth]

Don't

[rain otter]

It's werid. Cuz they are all connected as seen by lizzie she sees all the techrot and even into the future and is part of the helminth. But she works with us ans wants to help flare.

[obtuse gyro]

Well, why?

But also, just frame it as that the Infestation is trying to maximise what they percieve as the greater good: all as one, all in one infested love

[rain otter]

The coda weapons are living things that Eleanor keeps and likes but she hates tech rot and infestation but she can even use a combination of nyxes powers and her heightened helminthed Ness to control the hive mind.

And then like we get to like

Is the fungus colony augmented by the Infestion but just controlled by nokko

@obtuse gyro @rough crescent it's a interesting question though.

[rough crescent]

speaking of lizzy, shes an interesting case, shes not as tamed as helminth, shes a natural strain, mostly, but she still willing to talk and negotiate, something the normal straings dont bother with

and the coda weapons are just on our side outright, no negotiation required

though i think most infested weapons are dead

[tight pagoda]

Just a reminder, you can romance him, so the correct thing to do is break up with him just before New Year's Eve

[rough crescent]

everyone is used to the culture they were born in, now matter hyow terrible it looks from the outside. not everyone can break their cultural programming even if they are made aware of its issues

now i say that having not spoiled myself to anything about the upcoming content beyond what little was shown at tennocon

[rain otter]

Okay wait a second

[rain otter]

Calm down he might actually be a good person that got redeemed. Which is actually a big theme in warframe.

See the holdfasts

See Perrin see the family even if you want.

@steep delta

[undone lodge]

Also like, Steel Meridian

[rain otter]

Yeah.

Even NIGHTCAP

WE ALL LOVE NIGHTCAP

Come on.

I think we might even save Vraska

[undone lodge]

Vraska?

Is that the Old Peace one?

[rain otter]

Also lotus Herself was made to kill us. Come on Dawgs. Hunhow is also getting redeemed cuz you just think about he just wants to protect his daughter. @tight pagoda @steep delta

[rain otter]

1999 woman

With the metal arm.

[rough crescent]

you mean rusalka?

[undone lodge]

Rusalka?

[rain otter]

Yes

Lmao WHO IS VRASKA

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[rough crescent]

necci isnt actually as bad as she seems, she was pursued by walley for years before she caved and what we see now its half him

[rain otter]

Oh a mtg character lmao

[tight pagoda]

Oh absolutely, I've been a Roathe defender since day 1, no way we'd just be given a wholly evil, despicable being to ally ourselves with

[rough crescent]

something to account for, we dont hate ballas cause hes orokin, we hate him because hes ballas

orokin can be good people, ballas isnt

[tight pagoda]

I think the Orokin are sort of built on the suffering of others. He at best is probably a second-generation Orokin/ a nepobaby

[rough crescent]

culturally, the operator/drifter is orokin, or at least part of the society, they just got burned particularly badly

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but they're not Blue, blue is like, the elite-elite

But his transformation was probably punishment (and if the Orokin did it, it probably means he's done something against them), or atonement for something he did to the innocent

[rough crescent]

for the counterpoint to that, we dont have a burning hatred for the entrati, and they absolutely were orokin bluebloods

so ballas is special because he4s ballas

[tight pagoda]

Indeed, we ultimately forgive the Family for whatever wrongdoing they did, if any

I don't think any of them were involved in the suffering of innocents anyways, besides maybe Father for making weapons

And I guess Euleria for writing Duviri but you can't really blame her for Thrax torturing the Drifter for millenia

[rough crescent]

they were, some stuff involving son is admitted to in some of the side dialog

but we overlook it now, its been centuries and theyre not unpleasent to be around

its not even like they are ashamed by it exactly, its just not worth mentioning usually

[zenith jacinth]

Wally didn't "pursue" her for years but aside from that yes

[rough crescent]

the exact timescale may be uncertain but the isleweaver lore indicates he was erroding her for a long time

[zenith jacinth]

Where?

All I know is rusalka saying "yeah it offered me a deal when I was dying"

[obtuse gyro]

Along Came a Spider

https://www.orokinarchives.com/along-came-a-spider

[rough crescent]

the isleweaver fragments talk about her slow decent resisting his call, untill she had nothing left

she cast away everything that it tried to attack her from, and for a time it worked, then it came after her again... and again, and again

wally was determined to have her, and it didnt give up until it did

[zenith jacinth]

DE why do you never even hint towards stuff like this...

How does that work tho, did wally accidentally miss albrecht

[rough crescent]

dunno, why it was after her isnt staed, just that it is

[zenith jacinth]

That's not the important part, wally used her as a sort of door to 1999 that's why, but how

I feel like the spider isn't actually supposed to be wally until the last thread

[rough crescent]

thats warfram lore for you, delivered in hidden forms with vague3 phrasing

[zenith jacinth]

Just a way to refer to negative emotion, like how lettie does

Lettie also calls her negative emotions spiders

[obtuse gyro]

ah, were you around for the Zariman ARG?

sorry no not Zariman

the 1999 ARG

[zenith jacinth]

I don't/can't keep up with ARGs, too fast

[rough crescent]

i missed most of the args much to my annoyance, though 1999 i was here for

[obtuse gyro]

in the 1999 ARG Wally imitates Anasi, a Spider God

[zenith jacinth]

I always mute ARG channels out of principle bc they give me a headache

[rough crescent]

theyre good lore

[zenith jacinth]

Hm

[rough crescent]

but a fair bit confusing if you dont know whats going on

[zenith jacinth]

Not confusing, just too much too fast

Like a conversation between multiple people with damaged hearing

I usually get important lore bits afterwards

[rough crescent]

i wont call that entirely inaccurate

[obtuse gyro]

nah thats absolutely understandable

Because most of the action happens when Im asleep i usually just refer to the ARGrakatta doc to catchup

[weary wyvern]

So tomorrow will be my first full year in 1999. I haven't asked anyone to date yet, cause I hear there's a special scene with Kalymos if you do, but is there anything I need to do to activate that?

[obtuse gyro]

nope, romancing no one will automatically default to the kalymos cutscene

[rough crescent]

just be around for the reset, no dating mesn you get the cat instead

[weary wyvern]

Cool! :D

Thank you c:
So, tomorrow, log on before reset and just hang around in the backrooms?

[rough crescent]

nah

just check out the computer

[weary wyvern]

Cool! thank you ^^

[tight pagoda]

@weary wyvern you'll get an inbox message from your romance partner, or presumably Kalymos, after the Weekly reset

[weary wyvern]

Kalymos using her little paws to type me a message...

[rough crescent]

that cat is up to shenanigans and we dont know for sure how void contaminated it is

[weary wyvern]

I will give her smooches anyway

Nothing can stop me from loving a kitty 😤

[rough crescent]

oh thats fun, just noticed that one of the upcoming mods is for the hema

and part of its effect is leeching health from you

such an appropriate effect for that thing

[thick jolt]

It always did that on reload

[rough crescent]

suppose that shows how much use i got out of it after that grind, not worth

[opaque dove]

Yeah. Hema’s a freaky gun

[thick jolt]

It was fun
Drain health to reload
Headshots to heal

[hearty pendant]

i've been using the coda variant and barely noticed the leeching or the health restore
weird thing
dunno if the % is too low or what

[rough crescent]

i run a somewhat numerically fragile build, so anything that ets my points directly is a hard no

[thick jolt]

For the reload it drains up to 5% currently
Looks like the augment bumps that up to 50%

[rough crescent]

yeah i dont fancy losing that much of what i already have little of

[hearty pendant]

interesting
what's the upside to that? haven't seen this augment yet

[rough crescent]

damage and crit i think?

[hearty pendant]

could be worth messing with
definitely not for fragile builds tho yea

[rough crescent]

i assumed the first half of the description was an addition instead of a mmodfier

[rough crescent]

yeah my whole deal is not getting hit and only taking a few points of damage when i do, so anything that hits health directly is a bad time

[hearty pendant]

half the time i'm doing more damage to myself than the enemies are
bloodletting go brr

[rough crescent]

forgot half of what i specced for but its kept me alive through things that wiped out the rest of the squad in restricted revival missions

though actively bleeding health on a panicked run to extraction was fun

we very nearly lost that archimedea run

[zenith jacinth]

Ohh... I'm gonna be using basmu way more soon

[hearty pendant]

gets the full buff if it drains 360 health or above, if i understand right
doesn't mention a duration?
definitely something to mess with i think

both are kinda built for lots of health lol

[zenith jacinth]

Resets on reload probably, most bonuses like that do

[hearty pendant]

that's what i was thinking
720 health and empty mag each reload to keep the full buff sounds reasonable i think

[rain otter]

@rough crescent @thick jolt @hearty pendant okay so the hema also has innate life steal

So you very quickly heal back up to be fair.

[thick jolt]

I did point that out

[rough crescent]

i still only need half a frame to be dead at low health, so im not doing that even briefly

i hate aoe status

[rain otter]

How

[rough crescent]

kinda just what happens when you are on sp with unmodified health

[rain otter]

What are you doing? Every frame i think should have some way or you should mod some way to deal with that

Sometimes it's just kill the enemies fast enough.

[rough crescent]

no health mods, all damage modifiers, when im on a roll i dont die, things go bad, i go down fast

but thats been less of an issue too lately since i fixed my operator build

[rain otter]

For every warframe?

[rough crescent]

nah, just my main

[rain otter]

No adaption

[rough crescent]

adaptation is how i stay alive yes

[rain otter]

No nothing no eclipse or anything

[rough crescent]

its a titania, the mods are all focused on enhancing abilities and demage reduction, health itself is left untouched

[rain otter]

Doesn't titania have a heal

[rough crescent]

only if im rememebring to ability spam

something ive been doing more lately

[rough crescent]

and healing has never actualy been the issue, its things that hit me with three damaging status effects at once and drop me on the spot, i swear theres a glitch going on sometimes

shield gating should give me more time to react than i usuall get

[rain otter]

Okay if you roll you'll get 90% elemental proc DR.

[rain otter]

Are you using catalizing sheilds and like respite?

[rough crescent]

not sure, doubt it

[steep delta]

Pazuul is basically a cow right?

[noble drift]

ram if I recall

[steep delta]

so basically sentient mooing intensifies lol?

[balmy storm]

No

[steep delta]

damnit

[steep totem]

No mooing
But remember
A ram is a sheep

[steep delta]

close enough

still a farm animal

[steep totem]

baaaaa

[obtuse gyro]

just need 1350 hp to max out basmu huh

[steep delta]

So Pazuul is baaaad then heh?

[steep totem]

Baaaaaad to the bone

[obtuse gyro]

lol hema just needs someone to be at 720hp minimum to max it out

[steep totem]

"My gun hungers for justice!"
Hema gurgles loudly
"That- that was my gun."

[steep delta]

lol

[rain dew]

Hema's getting an augment in the next Nightwave, right?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[balmy storm]

@rain dew

[rain dew]

hell yeah

oh basmu too

neat

[simple python]

OH RIGHT BASMU. Idk if I want to pick Basmu back up. I have been burned too many times by it.

Not what I was here for. So. Old Peace. Which Prime you think is dropping with Winter?

I'm thinking it's gonna be Styanax Prime.

Sure, Caliban Prime fit more with Pld Peace. But if he's a prelude of the update, then it's gotta be Styanax for Old War's revival.

[tropic venture]

Could also be Gyre Prime, both cause of release order and due to her connections to the Zariman

[simple python]

And hopefully Styanax Prime gets a prime trailer...

Oh that too. I'm not as excited for Styanax prime tbh, as much as I would by for Gyre Prime. But either way.

[tropic venture]

Tbh he might not get one considering he got the full animated trailer for being the 50th Warframe

[hearty pendant]

they did mention having ideas for the next prime trailer
but its always a thing of if they have time to make one

[tropic venture]

Like don't get me wrong I'd like him to get one

[simple python]

Hmn. Things to think about. But it is important to note that the prime trailers typically separate the frames from their origin. Caliban was made from the Old War, possibly after Peace? But Caliban Prime was commemorative for Old Peace.

[tropic venture]

Caliban was made by Erra to infiltrate and hunt down the Tenno during the Old War

[simple python]

Ah. But which part?

[tropic venture]

wether it's before or after the peace treaty is unknown

[simple python]

Yea.

Hmn. If it is Styanax Prime for Winter, what do you think will be his Alternate Prime? Aside from Afentis P?

[tropic venture]

maybe finally Sepulcrum Prime

[simple python]

Likewise Gyre Prime, since she has Alternox P.

Oooh ye.

[tropic venture]

I was originally expecting Lavos Prime to have that

[simple python]

I mean... Ik Gyre's release had Hespar but Hespar doesn't feel like a Tenno-made weapon. Like it's not a weapon that should be primed but. You never know.

[hearty pendant]

styanax has a weird throwing secondary tied to him, doesn't he?

[tropic venture]

that's moreso tied to Kahl

[simple python]

No. We're talking abt signatures. Afentis for Styanax. Alternox for Gyre.

[tropic venture]

They have two augmented grineer weapons: the throwing bombs and the upgraded machete

[simple python]

But yeah. Whatever that machete and then that explosive was was from Kahl.

[tropic venture]

Slaytra is the machete (which Kahl uses)

[simple python]

I hope they bring out more dojo primes.

[tropic venture]

can't remember the bombs tho

[hearty pendant]

ah yea
aegrit is in the same shop but nothing really ties it to styanax

[simple python]

Ye.

Maybe Styanax might get a Dojo Polearm? I use Polearms with him and the Afentis. Suits him imo.

Maybe they could stylize a dojo prime to look like his actual spear.

[tropic venture]

I don't think he'll get a melee since his signature is already in one of the two hybrid gun-melee weapon types

[simple python]

(Even though you know. The most recent recreation, Daikyu Prime, was not Yareli-themed.)

Though... Tipedo Prime is Equinox P-themed

[tropic venture]

the generic Primes do have similar styling to the prime frame they release with

Shade Prime to Hildryn Prime, Strun Prime + Magnus Prime to Nidus Prime etc.

[simple python]

Ye. Although. There's a shift when each prime got more grandiose, their releasing prime weaponry is similarly grandiose. At least compared to the early primes though. Maybe its cause no signatures were made yet.

[tropic venture]

ye

base Styanax's design is more similar to the old frames tho so it'll be interesting to see if they do the same for his Prime

[simple python]

True. But personally... I don't actually like Base styanax's tassels. Hope they fix it with his prime. The tennogens do make it more app3aling tjo

[echo basalt]

what tassels

[pliant saffron]

Funny side, double tassels with the deluxe ones

[north hamlet]

Wait, Nightcap is dead. Ol fruits and roots man is dead, and the mushrooms revived him?

[cerulean kiln]

He tells you he didn't die

[rough crescent]

its unclear if he remembers the end or hes just lying, as far as he remembers he may have just passed out and woken up later. but he makes comments that imply he cant leave

whether or not he was entirely dead, he wasnt in anything resembling a healthy state and its been long enough since then for his debt ledger to be deleted

[zenith jacinth]

Debts don't get deleted

[rough crescent]

if its been passed to someone else or he was the last of a line with no one to peg it on, it may well have been

or at least marked inactive in a way that makes it difficult to locate

no point to continue running calculations on an account that will never see activity again

[cerulean kiln]

Debts get passed down not deleted

[rough crescent]

he was inside a mine when he detonated the only way in or out, its quite safe to say that whatever happens when they die happened to his account, his name wouldnt be on the active ledgers anymore

[amber terrace]

Something funny I noticed while doing Deepmine bounties, Nef’s fake beard thing doesn’t have the flowing corpus text it usually has the other times we’ve had to listen to Nef whine

That is to say that we’ve bankrupted Anyo so hard he doesn’t have the dosh to keep the lights in his beard on

lol, lmao even

[rough crescent]

and i was talking about his account, not the debt itself, its unclear who might have inherited that

we dont exactly know much about the inheritance process and know even less about who he might have had that might be affected

[amber terrace]

Y’know, I wonder if SU has noticed anything about Nef’s plans with the Deepmines

Eudico probably has noticed Solaris being freed from Forward Base talking about Tenno running about

I hope that The Business has noticed that Vallis critters are going missing and then randomly popping up, probably with an amount of fungal particulate in their coats

[rough crescent]

oh right, something nightcap mentioned, he wonders on if fortuna has been completed yet, and it seems like it has, if fortuna was still being built when he went down wonder if he might have come from one of the other settlements or if he was part of fortunas founding generation

[amber terrace]

I mean, being a part of Fortuna’s founding generation makes sense given how different his chassis looks compared to other Solaris

[rough crescent]

i hadnt actually thought of that, i just pegged it as beig a specialist chassis, there are plenty of those aorund

[amber terrace]

If I had to provide a nauseating amount of headcanon filled speculation, Nightcap is likely a lot older than his head’s looks make him out to be. If I had to guess his secret to looking so young, a good mushroom filled diet and Nokko preserving his body after Nightcap blew the elevator to the deepmines

[rough crescent]

the lore hints at that much, as usual we dont know how long its been, and nefs lifespan is the only estimate we really have on that

but that could still be in the range of centuries

[tropic venture]

Darvo was still seen as young when he was around a century old so Origin lifespans (at least for the Corpus elite) are definitely longer than irl lifespans

[amber terrace]

Even though Nightcap doesn’t want it to play out, I’d pay good credits to see Nightcap meet the SU crew

[tropic venture]

Nightcap takes one breath of somewhat fresh air and instantly dies

[rough crescent]

id guess su and what it stands for was still a distant dream in his time

[tropic venture]

Fortuna was still in construction when he sealed off the Deepmines so very likely

[amber terrace]

I was told that SU predates Fortuna by a decent margin

Deck 12 was the proof

[rough crescent]

do we actually know when deck12 was constructed relative to fortuna?

[amber terrace]

Maybe something like Eudico trying to organize an operation in the deepmines and the Tenno having to admit that we’ve already been ruining Nef’s day for a little bit at that point and instead of playing messenger, we decide to either drag Nightcap to Fortuna’s backrooms or set up a video call and watch as Eudico, The Business, and Little Duck’s brains all collectively melt at how this guy managed to death fraud his way out of a 67 mangorillion credit debt

[rough crescent]

not exactly, deck 12 was their old base, fortuna almost certainly already existed

the survivors of deck 12 fled to the already built fortuna

its interesting though, deck 12 does sow off something else though, nef doenst care in the slightest if his project is damaged if it means maintaining control

deck12 would have been in the habitable range while it was active, its not anymore

[amber terrace]

I mean, I’d owe that to a difference in company Grofit margins

[rough crescent]

so the habitable area has shrunk or moved

we physically cant reach it anymore because the entrance elevator is in the worst of the storm winds

[amber terrace]

By the time Deck 12 happened, I’m willing to bet that the biggest hit to Nef’s Grofit margins was his Index addiction and when the Tenno of ages past clowning on him during False Profit, Tubemen of Regor, and the Razorback popups

But even after all of those humiliations, he still had his attempt at paradise in the Vallis

And then the Tenno showed up and curb stomped his Grofit margins. And after we humiliated him at Fortuna, then Narmer decided to take Fortuna

TL;DR Narmer probably nuked Anyo’s Grofit margins

[tropic venture]

It's funny how he's currently on like his 7th attempt at winning something and every single time we've gotten involved to stop him

[rough crescent]

if he wants a space to himself that we wont screw with him, hell, might even help, check out sedna, lots of realestate there that no one will make a fuss if someone comes in and burns it clean

[amber terrace]

Oh yeah I also nearly forgot that Parvos also humiliated Nef so hard that Nef was on the brink of crying

[rough crescent]

yeah sure your my son, but such a worthless one at that

[tropic venture]

If you're my son then you're a mucking disappointment

[rough crescent]

which incidentaly is another one of those timeline curveballs that makes the timeline interesting to nail down, parvos is from the orokin era

[fringe pond]

I feel like a surprisingly large amount of people are from the orokin era actually

Cause it’s clear that there’s probably all sorts of life extension procedures available

[rough crescent]

given parvos i suppose so, the elites were mostly exterminated, but parvos proves it wasnt just the highborn who were candidates for life extension

at this point they will be mosly high ranking corpus and tenno id imagine though

[fringe pond]

Given that the old Corpus ideology is basically “anyone can be rich if they try hard enough”, yeah

“Not highborn? Okay, go make yourself one then.”

[rough crescent]

the grineer never lived all that long and the common folk probably didnt bother or couldnt afford it, and the bluebloods mostly ended up splattered across the walls, which mostly leave corpus

[fringe pond]

Yeah

Darvo’s like, over 100 i think

And he doesn’t look that bad actually

[tropic venture]

yes, and even then he was considered a youngling

[rough crescent]

one of these days well get to see a normal corpus city

[tropic venture]

we do get to see it on Neptune from the Proxima

[fringe pond]

I wonder what happened to Corposium

That was the Corpus city

[wild wind]

cough Point of order: Parvos is a cult leader. The old Corpus ideology is "anyone can be rich if they follow my 12-step plan and pay me my cut."

[half light]

but...money begets money...

[wild wind]

Also Parvos: sells his family into slavery

[half light]

but...charity...

[wild wind]

for disagreeing with him

But yes Corposium is still around.

See the lights on Pluto? That's Corposium.

[half light]

they could've chosen a prettier place

wait, is pluto the planet where it rains diamonds ?

[night grail]

I kinda interpreted that as "yeah his memory is kinda lapsed"

Also he doesn't seem to know about narmer

[wild wind]

isn't that a side effect of him spending a few decades dead for tax reasons?

....that joke's super funny in a Corpus context

[rough crescent]

we dont exactly have an answer to when he woke up, could have been quite recent, plus hes not exactly in contact wiht the surface to know the goings on

[opaque dove]

We know it was probably sometime around TNW. Though we can’t be one hundred % sure

[rough crescent]

i mean up close, we see a lot of things from orbit

[unreal crown]

Quick question:

Did something change with Janus Captain Vor? I tried activating the fight, but inputting the password just made something pop up that said "Janus Captain Vor 1/2", and then he didn't turn into a superboss. I did this before months ago and this didn't happen

I just tried again and it said 1/3. What is happening

[zenith jacinth]

Didn't janus vor need multiple terminals

I don't remember since I don't fight the superbosses

[tribal stone]

okay so uuuh I got a lil problem.
my drifter and Arthur agreed on dating through a KIM chat conversation. the next few chats I got with him were working according to the romance, BUT.
I got no new year kiss cutscene, and the relationship on his KIM profile still states ''close''. and aslo he's not appearing in the backroom..
I don't think I've done anything wrong ??
I completed his romance twice already, and reseted it two loops ago to catch up on dialogue pieces I missed previous times. oh yeah and at the previous reset 4 weeks ago, I didn't pick any romance, and didn't get a kalymos scene for new year..
chat is my game cooked...? 🥲

[zenith jacinth]

It can take a few days for it to update

[tribal stone]

oh alright, I'll wait then..
and I guess I'm good to wait 4 weeks again for the scene... sighs

[zenith jacinth]

Second thing is just a bugframe moment

[tribal stone]

yeah... I hope it's not that...
I was kinda surprised of not getting a kalymos scene last loop either, I just hope nothing's broken about my game..

[zenith jacinth]

Well due to the nature of the game, if it's broken for you it's extremely likely to be broken for everyone so I doubt it's that

[night grail]

You have to be at "loved" and "best friends" with everyone else (or with everyone if you want kalymos) iirc

Excluding round table

[tribal stone]

oooooh okay that makes sense.
thanks !

[dark belfry]

Just did The Teacher quest. Doing said quest post-New War AND Duviri is hilarious. I got to beat the crap outta Tesh with his own blades. Also, I like Thornbak's design.

[wise solstice]

I’m only now realizing how much potential The Zariman had and has
Zariman quests could’ve been mostly puzzle based areas with horror elements
Example: the ghosts/flashback kids of the Zariman
And the Angels being a thing either as an optional boss and occasional jumpscare or a different type of Assasination mission called “Hunted”
And you can strictly play as the operator/drifter with whatever amp you have and the Lantern
And making it first person would add to the horror effect

[wise solstice]

Blue Dye of Orokin Blood… sounds like a good head canon idea… can’t wait to wear blue cloth in Warframe now

To add to the “Warframe/Tenno horror effect”
That should be a myth for any blue colored frames

[rain parrot]

heres a pic i made after feeding the prince fully

[vague temple]

The flashing image of margulis in the old peace showcase is quite unsettling, wonder what DE is playing at with that😭

[opaque dove]

We ‘bouta get a lore slap to the face.

[zenith jacinth]

We know she got blinded by rell. Now we know what it looked like. That's it.

[cerulean kiln]

We don't know if she got blinded by Rell or cast him out specifically after getting blinded by a Tenno

[zenith jacinth]

Safe to assume it was rell

[obtuse gyro]

It was safe to assume it was rell, until wally started blaming us for it

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think wally is a very reliable source for that

[vale cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/sseth-ssethtzeentach-vibe-check-grab-gif-20363655

[celest hollow]

It wasn’t rell

Rell was never taken in by margulis because he was different than the others

[zenith jacinth]

Wrong

[steep totem]

Seems Chains of Harrow needs a replay
I distinctly remember that Rell was cast out by Margulis

[thick jolt]

To be cast out he would have to be in first

[steep totem]

Yeah, was about to say that

[zenith jacinth]

Was gonna elaborate but you did it for me

[celest hollow]

He wasn’t taken in by Margulis and was taken in by the Red Veil

[thick jolt]

....

[celest hollow]

I’ll replay it on Halloween

[zenith jacinth]

No, yes

[steep totem]

He founded the Red Veil

You can't exactly be taken in by a group that don't exist yet

[zenith jacinth]

"Blinded, she cast him out"
Nah she definitely never accepted him

[celest hollow]

Not sure about him founding it but he is a prophet of sorts in that syndicate

[zenith jacinth]

Hhhhhh

H o w .

[celest hollow]

I must be remembering wrong mb fams I’ll see myself out

[zenith jacinth]

Yes. Completely.

[steep totem]

You don't have to see yourself out though
Big lore brains like Scrap will just correct you if you're wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

Maybe a bit snarkily but yes

[steep totem]

Come to think of it, I don't think we've met a Cephalon that doesn't snark at people

Scrap is just following the trend quite well

[cerulean kiln]

Margulis: "Love looks not with the eyes but with the mind. They won't hurt anyone; I just need more time."

Also Margulis

Let's kick the kid odd kid out

[zenith jacinth]

Suda

[steep totem]

Possibly

[zenith jacinth]

Melica has some snark in one or two lines

Suda is just kinda extreme chill

[cerulean kiln]

“You are a waste and must be erased”

[zenith jacinth]

"I am not allowed to directly compete with my fellow cephalons, but I will simply observe that my students have collected far more accolades"

[steep totem]

In Octavia's Anthem:
Suda: "Yes, I know. I am a cephalon, a creature of data and memory. You need not repeat yourself."

Seems kinda snarky to me

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

Tbf I only played anthem once

[steep totem]

To be fair, you have to really piss her off to get those lines

[steep totem]

Same
I just remember that line because it made me laugh

[celest hollow]

What about Cephalon Sark from the index?

Mm actually no he’s pretty snarky

[zenith jacinth]

Only things I remember are simaris being a tsundere and ordis being incredibly hyped about getting to help us fight

[cerulean kiln]

Sark is insane trust

I wanna know how Corpus can even have Cephalons

[steep totem]

They're probably from the Orokin Era

[zenith jacinth]

They take them from orokin ruins and copy them

[steep totem]

The Corpus Cephalons, I mean

[zenith jacinth]

That's explained in a quest somewhere iirc

[steep totem]

Oh, that's neat

[cerulean kiln]

Corpus think they're Orokin don't they

[zenith jacinth]

One of them does

[celest hollow]

I mean that’s why Parvos was hated back in the day

[zenith jacinth]

Parvos was hated by the orokin because he outsmarted the orokin

[cerulean kiln]

Parvos was hated for other things such as blowing up Ballas’ Warframes

[zenith jacinth]

Parvos was also hated by his brother for being literally enslaved by him

[cerulean kiln]

I theorize Ballas only made Protea to make him stop doing that

[undone lodge]

Cephalon Snark

[zenith jacinth]

Wait isn't sark the one that's extremely sarcastic in index

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

Also has a hint of bias

[zenith jacinth]

And it's not towards anyo

[covert tree]

Because anyo is beyond annoying

[celest hollow]

Anyo is such a cute nickname for a tyrant

[zenith jacinth]

It's

Just his name

I sometimes call him sniffle nef to reference the legendary roast he received from parvos

[cerulean kiln]

"'My name'. Hmm... I have watched you. Monuments to narcissism. Demanding others sweat in your stead. Gorging upon that upon which you have not earned. Watched... as you claimed for yourself my teachings of self-reliance, perverting them into a flaccid philosophy of sloth. Of... Idleness. Is that you, my son?"
"You know nothing, falling short as you do of every ideal that I value. Your words, your efforts, are the model of inadequacy. I called you, Nef Anyo, but I do not need you. I need... ... them."

[zenith jacinth]

You gotta include the nef lines

[undone lodge]

“Father. Permit me to show you all I have built in your name. Do Nef Anyo that honour.”

“And I’ve got to say in all honesty, uhm… it’s the biggest piece of dogshit, that I have ever seen”

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-gif-11005437677577227415

[slow cairn]

Is there a survey we can fill out regarding the new teshin quest?

[cerulean kiln]

No actual surveys

[slow cairn]

Hmm hope they release one so we can get feedback in, think it's a good first step but certainly more that needs to be done

[thick jolt]

Probably a post somewhere in #1427788070706745344

[slow cairn]

Aight thanks

[thick jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1427805970091999252

[celest hollow]

So uh is Nightcap alive or is he a zombie and doesn’t know it

[cerulean kiln]

He isn't a zombie

Warframes can revive people

[balmy storm]

It sounded like it was more than our funny revive gas

I think it’s just mostly left ambiguous as to what Nightcap’s fate was and in the end it doesn’t really matter? He’s still here, still helping, still himself

[undone lodge]

Apparently Nightcap mentions that he can’t leave now but without context or transcripts that could be anything from duty to lack of living identity in the outside world rather than like, him not being able to leave the mushrooms

[rain dew]

He says he can, just that he doesn’t want to

[rough crescent]

he says it in that way when an addict claims they can quit when they want, so theres definitely one reason or another he feels he cant

and his comment about feeling rooted further implies the reason

[fringe pond]

Shroom addiction?

[celest hollow]

i mean it doesn't really matter what happened to nightcap but like he might've died and the shrooms infected him and basically resurrected him

and the reason why he feels rooted is because he is rooted to the deepmines

[fringe pond]

Man
The Orokin should’ve just achieved mushroom immortality instead of Continuity

[celest hollow]

well the shrooms didn't exist yet bc venus was still hot and lacked the coolant to make it habitable for shroomlife

[rough crescent]

dont think they would want this sort of tethered immortality either

[fringe pond]

Just bring the deepmines with you

[rough crescent]

its implied they may predate the teraforming

[celest hollow]

Just bring a sprodling

[rough crescent]

or at least have survived just fine after the first run failed

[hearty pendant]

with the orokin's terraforming tech, they could

[celest hollow]

hmm did the orokin even make nokko? i feel like he's just born from the deepmines and the infestation

[rough crescent]

al we have on that is that nokko was just there already when nightcap went down, not much of anything about where he might have come from before that

its possible he was never created in the normal warframe way and is a naturally occurring mutation

[celest hollow]

nokko was tripping on shrooms which is why we don't have earlier lore on him

[fringe pond]

Instead of joining the Night of the Naga Drums he was just tweaking

[celest hollow]

but yareli and nokko are siblings and yareli prime was one of the yuvan

[fringe pond]

Was that confirmed yet?

[hearty pendant]

it isn't 100% if they were actually siblings or if that was just the Vibe

[celest hollow]

im starting to think its vibes like how Gauss and Grendel are like blood brothers or smth

[rough crescent]

havent seeen anything in the lore that even suggests this yet

they just both come from the valis and have similart attitudes

[fringe pond]

I’m pretty sure we were just joking about that

Like how people also joked that he was Nezha’s boyfriend

[celest hollow]

yareli prime being one of the yuvan is confirmed i think

[rough crescent]

yareli yes

[celest hollow]

rebelious popstar :3

[rough crescent]

but nokko has no currently known connecton to anyting outside of venus

[celest hollow]

oh well i guess the lore is lost to the deepmines

[hearty pendant]

only "outside" connection is the guy who saw waverider graphicas while hallucinating that one time i think?

[fringe pond]

But if they do end up being siblings, then Yareli ragebaited Ballas so hard he warframed her damn bloodline

[rough crescent]

but yeah yareli was meant to be a sacrifice, made a joke of the orokin so ballas punished her by making a warframe of her and she just didnt stop clowning on them

[celest hollow]

based

itd be cool if we get a nokko prime animation where he square dances with yareli prime

[rough crescent]

this was probably BEFORE temple incidentally, since by then he had learned not to mess with rogue warframe strains, a lesson he obviouslt hadnt learned wiht yareli

[fringe pond]

At the very least it happened twice before he learned his lesson

Given Mirage said “f—k you” and changed how she looked

Ngl
Getting Warframed but maintaining your whimsy is quite the feat

[rough crescent]

temple prime is gonna be a fun one to explain

the orokin obviously never made that one

[hearty pendant]

i could see them priming themselves w/ material from the comet
lizzie's still awake n active, if she's supposed to wake temple up for the drums

[steep totem]

Also, comets can apparently have decent amounts of gold in them
I could see Lizzie getting hungry and eating some

[quick smelt]

Lizzie shows up to Orokin place
Proceeds to eat some Orokin furniture first

[opaque dove]

She’d probably hungry enough to do so. And maybe some orokin too

[tight pagoda]

Just a reminder, Lizzie herself doesn't eat anything, she makes Flare do it

[wild wind]

Oh that's totally how Temple Prime is going to work, yeah

She's going to DECORATE them

[stoic cloak]

why is the text thingy so difficult

[zenith jacinth]

Means you're bad at regular communication

[night grail]

Also just thematically

Would make sense given they always want to stick it to the man

And appropriating their decor in spite of them would be doing that

[stoic cloak]

im bad at reconizing emotion from people

[zenith jacinth]

Same, I normally just pick options that I'd go for irl too

I'm friendly but blunt by default so that tends to result in choosing the good options somehow

[rain dew]

dang, congrats

[gritty flume]

idek why lizzie freaks me out

and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

it's as if she always talk, with flirtatious remarks

like flirting with a stranger you don't know of, w/o introduction beforehand even

[tight pagoda]

Well ||you've technically been inside her the whole time||

[half light]

does the fumulo signa have orokin script in it ?

[balmy storm]

It looks like it, I asked someone who knows how to decipher it and it was gibberish that maaaybe says “medic”

[half light]

do you have the untranslated thing maybe ?

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, modok