spoiler-chat

[night grail]

And in a meta sense, its just not really the point of her character

[balmy storm]

It takes time to transform
She’d need to accept the infestation which. She just doesn’t
And it’d just be a Drifter v Operator situation

[balmy storm]

That too yeah lol

[wise solstice]

Hence why it wouldn’t happen

[wise solstice]

She of course doesn’t accept the infestation, but she’s also a perfect candidate for Albrecht’s Protoframe stuff because she doesn’t accept it
Eternalism can make it so she prevents infection via maybe a change in skill via past choices, or maybe choosing not to go to where it happened, preventing the accident

[tight pagoda]

All of Albrecht's choices were accepting of it though? At least, those who were aware?

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-princess-bride-inigo-montoya-meaning-are-you-sure-of-that-gif-7536490

[wise solstice]

He’s a Scientist

[hearty pendant]

minerva, velimir, and flare were the only ones aware of it tmk
maybe kaya too? she doesn't talk about actually getting the proto serum-whatever iirc, just tracking down entrati

[tight pagoda]

Well he also seemed to have made the Protoframes with the explicit purpose of giving the Tenno some weapons in 1999 and also to power the Vessels

[night grail]

eternalism was a mistake

[wise solstice]

Ive shown people the Eternalism stuff, and some had different ideas on how it worked, some similar

[tight pagoda]

Oh, true, they were the only ones who knew what would happen, but I'm just saying he didn't kidnap them and forcibly turn them into the Protoframes

[rain dew]

Gonna justify all my crackpot theories with ETERRRRNALISMM from now on

[wise solstice]

Eternalism was never explained well enough

[cerulean kiln]

How it works is explained right to your face it doesn’t need interpretations

[hearty pendant]

oh, yeah
even if they didn't know what would happen, none of them were outwardly opposed to albrecht until after their transformation

[tight pagoda]

Drifter regrew Lotus from her severed hand. The rest of her body? Eternalism says it's still in the Void. Her name is Sutol and she is EVIL

[wise solstice]

Ahem…

[cerulean kiln]

Eleanor seeing a Nunn

[wise solstice]

Fair
It’d be funny if they scrapped that and said
“Hey, that nun is actually Wisp!!”
(This is a joke)

[night grail]

What even sparked this discussion btw

[rain dew]

L o t u s

[wise solstice]

The Lotus

We went from Lotus, Sentients, Godlike entities, 1999

[night grail]

[hearty pendant]

yeahh

[wise solstice]

At this rate I’m trolling

[tight pagoda]

Yes, this chat was basically like how DE went from robot space ninjas to a 1999 boyband made of flesh

[balmy storm]

I gave a brief timeline of events

[wise solstice]

Somewhere in the middle of the chaos

[hearty pendant]

the slight implication that standard 1999 boybands are not made of flesh

[cerulean kiln]

The reason I don’t like Eternalism is players missing the keyword of theoretically accessible so start using it to explain everything they can’t do

[night grail]

Also claiming 1999 isnt the real past because eternalism obviously

[cerulean kiln]

They really didn’t pay attention to the whole Time Machine

Last I checked time travel isn’t Eternalism based

[rain dew]

-# ETERRRRRRRNALISSSMMMMM…….!!!!

[night grail]

Is it not?

[rain dew]

I needed that laugh, I might be going through a breakup this weekend so g’night y’all

[tight pagoda]

Same with thinking the Old Peace is gonna be a different universe

[cerulean kiln]

Time Machine specifically

A Time Machine wouldn’t be connected to Eternalism

[night grail]

We don't have confirmation albrecht's time machine utilized the void but i also dont think its unreasonable to think so

[cerulean kiln]

Almost everything he builds utilises it lol

[obtuse gyro]

I think more accurately put is:
The "alternative timeline" aspect is not in play, but the block of time perspective is

[night grail]

Yes that is why I got crossed out and cropped that out

[obtuse gyro]

the former being the go-to thing whenever someone says eternalism

and the latter the more important thing that no one cares about

[night grail]

Yeah I was specifically highlighting the future and past being real and theoretically accessible

And with the time machine most likely using the void

On top of what we learned from Kaya

[obtuse gyro]

mhmm mhmm

[obtuse gyro]

which makes this bit extra funny

because it means that they forgot the underlying reason why there can be alternate timelines in the first place

[balmy storm]

I mean we utilized the infestation

[cerulean kiln]

Infestation casually transcending time

[night grail]

The tenno did, yes

I dont think albrecht did though

[covert tree]

<@&778745217037238293>

Another one

[quick smelt]

…
We can change the Frame of War

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, Kaya used a combo of Void, her Nova powers and Drifter’s trail from the future to 1999 to go into the future

[obtuse gyro]

<@&778745217037238293>

[livid portal]

The old peace is our actual past from what people have said is it not?

[livid glen]

Well, a memory, but yes.

We don't know for sure if it's 100% accurate, considering Loid called them "polluted" memories.

But most of it should be pretty accurate to what happened in the past.

[echo basalt]

yea considering 1. we've been gaslight gatekeeped and girlbossed before 2. warframe has a lot of truths more then hard fact when it comes to something like the old war

[fierce kiln]

rebecca has stated its not

[undone lodge]

God can you imagine how that kind of player would feel if we finally did get a different universe/timeline?

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

Actually no, that’d imply that most haven’t kept up the delusion of it

[real niche]

These are the same people who've been saying "Tau soon" for the past 7 years

[covert tree]

Well tau is happening

[real niche]

Yeah and I'm saything they're not special for guessing Tau since everyone's been guessing Tau for so long

[covert tree]

Yeah

I only started playing warframe like a couple years ago and I spammed tau

[shadow forum]

we need to summon TAU spammers.

[livid glen]

Honestly I hadn't seen Tau to be really talked about until Jade Shadows (and then, mostly as a joke regarding Hunhow). It wasn't until 1999 that Tau actually started to be mentioned, and mentioned alot.

[cerulean kiln]

It has been constantly talked about previously ever since TNW

[urban sky]

I do wonder tho, if it's the past then is it just gonna be a glorified quest or is it gonna be simliar to maybe 1999, where it gives us a new place to go to (New Missions/etc)

[livid glen]

It's going to be similar to WitW most likely.

So the memories are like the 1999 section in that quest

[urban sky]

Cuz the more I think about this update the more I think it's just gonna be a Secound Dream thing, where they give you a cool one and done quest, a slap on the back for a well done and then a single weapon

[livid glen]

With the new nodes probably being in the sanctum.

[urban sky]

WitW?

[livid glen]

Maybe, but at the same time, Uriel. Need someplace to grind him.

[livid glen]

Whispers in the Walls

[urban sky]

Oh lol

[livid glen]

Also the ultimates will probably need a new resource.

Speculation, but that's how it worked in the past.

[urban sky]

Yeah, I mean sure the update will be "Big" but, I can't shake this feeling that the update is gonna be kinda mid, like sure a long quest and all, but after, a weapon to play around with?

Cuz let me break it down for you:

Op rework is just revamping the schools and such (most players have it fully unlocked)

a new warframe, Protoframe skins and ofc weapons and what have you

And that's it, no new misisons or nodes, no new tileset or whatever 1999 is as a mission, etc

Tau 2026 sounds like what will be pretty much Cetus/Fortuna (or 199 for a bit smaller) type of content

[livid glen]

I mean, there is going to be atleast one new mission for Uriel, seeing even minor release got their own Dante, Temple, ect.).

[urban sky]

To farm for his parts, sure (sounded better in my head lol)

[livid glen]

And probably some new mechanic, if only via the school Ultimates (which would already be worth it in my eyes)

On top of the quest.

I expect it to be around Whispers sized

[urban sky]

Yeah, but will they be already unlocked for players who have entire focus thing unlocked like, what half of the players?

[livid glen]

Unlikely

More likely than not it will require a new resource

[urban sky]

If that's the case, then we should get a new tileset, so maybe not Tau, but Tau's Moon?, full of nodes and such (dammit cat)

[livid glen]

Definitely not anything in Tau

I'm expecting an expansion to the Sanctum

[urban sky]

Hm

[livid glen]

Or, if not

[urban sky]

I mean, that could be alright

[livid glen]

Then wherever the new Protoframes are, assuming they aren't in 1999

[urban sky]

Cuz it feels kinda weird somehow, to have Adis just be well, a dream (heh) and not have him be part of the update, maybe alive and we have friendly sentients?

[livid glen]

(Now that I think about, considering they are part of the same quest, they almost certainly aren't as you can do the Old Peace before the Hex)

[urban sky]

I was kinda open that Tau's Moon would be accessible or atleast the past thing was a Alt Timeline we cuold go to, like 1999 (Drifter has 1999/ Op has Old Peace)

[livid glen]

The thing is that, unlike 1999, the Tau we see is simply a memory.

Perhaps not even an accurate one, depending how you interpret Loid's comment

[urban sky]

Hmm

[livid glen]

I'm hopping more Narmer stuff to be honest.

[urban sky]

Also, I just love how, Our Drifter is having the time of their live, rizzin up the Hex

[livid glen]

If we're lucky some new nodes in the Murex tileset.

[urban sky]

While our Op is suffering xD

[livid glen]

Always been like that, lol.

[urban sky]

"Hey Kid, I'm back from 1999, how was your day?"

"I KILLED HIM!, AGHHHHHHHHHHHH"

"Okay....this is why I stay in 1999"

[undone lodge]

Yeah, the way some convos and stuff are phrased makes it seem like Marty coming back to the future is gonna happen after the Operator going to Tau first

[livid glen]

From my understanding it's probably at roughly the same time.

Drifter heads to 1999, Operator unto the memory bath

[urban sky]

And dammit, I want to Riss a Sentient

[livid glen]

Only question remains - why do they think that Tau is where Albrecht went to, before Drifter was done in 1999.

I saw a theory that Albrecht mentioning Tau at the end of 1999 wasn't because of anything the Drifter did.

But actually what was happening in the Sanctum.

(Which makes alot more sense, assuming the quest explains why we are memory hopping in the first place)

[urban sky]

Lotus: "Okay, let me flip a coin, Opp, Drifter go and save us from Wally, you'll have a cool bike, plenty of folks to Rizz and hey you'll be finally happy"

Lotus: "My child, I shall drown you in bathwater until you have terrible memoires"

[urban sky]

Hm, I can see that

[livid glen]

I need more Narmer

[urban sky]

Ye

[livid glen]

Pazuul, my beloved

I need more dialogue of his

[urban sky]

One thing I RELLY want is more Sentient weapons, like the ones we didn't' get, like that Sentient speargun

[livid glen]

And his head as decoration

[rain dew]

Hopefully we’ll be getting more Hunhow too next year

I love my frumpy war criminal space grandpa

[urban sky]

Makes me wonder tho

[urban sky]

When Wally appears in our ship or so, is he physical or just inside our heads?

Cuz, I can't be the only one who'd deck the hek out of him, for suddenly appearing

[livid glen]

Ordis never mentions them

And Loid doesn't see him in Whispers

[urban sky]

"Hey Kiddo" <BONK>

[livid glen]

But the Cavia can

So I dunno.

[urban sky]

Cuz I know at some point Lore wise, my Drifter dropkicked Wally out of the office chair during the night getting scared

Now I want a Emote to dropkick wally and have him be on the floor like family guy death pose xD

[livid glen]

He probably is immaterial

I doubt we can physically interact with him

[urban sky]

If you have a date at your place, they just look up and say "Come back to bed dear"

[thick jolt]

We do have a precedent for beings with synthetic senses not being able to detect wally tho

Cy, and (tho this isnt straight up confirmed) when lotus answers nothing when we ask what she saw at the end of the new war

Compare that with yonta's sightings near the reliquary

[urban sky]

Be kinda cool if Wally was coded to be hostile (like the ball you can have) and your Kavat just yeets it

[livid glen]

Not only synthetics though.

I believe Loid couldn't see him either

[urban sky]

You log in, just to see your Kavat launch wally into the ceiling

[thick jolt]

Dont remember any dialogue about that

[livid glen]

While he was hanging next to fibonacci, before the John golem

[craggy saddle]

I'd give my kavat so many treats for that.

[thick jolt]

Nope he has dialogue speaking to wally so he can perceive him i think

[urban sky]

exactly xD

[livid glen]

Ok, after re-checking the dialogue it was alot more... vague than I thought. I might be wrong in that regard.

[thick jolt]

At the very least he can hear wally

[livid glen]

I mean, the necraloid can also, I think, although I have to watch gameplay to make sure

[craggy saddle]

I think because Wally was directly taunting him.

[balmy badger]

I was under the impression that Wally was only visible to those he willingly shows himself to.

[livid glen]

Since her reacts to the "Voul ne xata vok, mara lohk" thing.

[thick jolt]

Oh and them using organic eyes and ears to keep watch for wally is another point for synthetic sensors not being able to perceive him

[thick jolt]

That was organic loid not necraloid, at least if we are talking during whispers

[livid glen]

I was referring to this

Before awaking organic Loid

Again, though, I don't remember if it's a reaction

Or just a "coincidence"

For dramatic effect

Have to rewatch gameplay to make sure

[thick jolt]

Could be also necraloid using the aforementioned organic sensors scattered through the labs i suppose

[thick jolt]

Another thing i noticed is that although the transcript calls out the void tongue in that moment as being wally directly, it could be an effect of his realm manifesting or one of his minions, like something manifesting physically enough that synthetic sensors could catch it

[night grail]

Don't know where this misconception came from

[livid glen]

Misremembering of what Wally said

My bad

[night grail]

Its like the third time ive seen it

[rain dew]

hey gais did u kno loid couldn’t see walter…

Actually who all have seen Walter?

Us, Albrecht, Loid, Yonta, the Hex, Barooo..

Lotus

Cavia..

[graceful zodiac]

Seen, or know of

[rain dew]

Actually seen

[graceful zodiac]

All of Duviri are well in the know, with bits of Wally seen

[night grail]

Would we count thrax and mathila literally seeing him attempt to take over duviri

[rain dew]

Truuuuue

[safe pumice]

@glossy thistle

:3

[tight pagoda]

And it's very obvious that it's our memories

[fierce kiln]

yeah, nothing screams alt universe

[fierce kiln]

gormatru/mother when she pulled albrecht out and cut off wally's finger doing so

oh yeah Rell ofc

[tight pagoda]

There are also some scrawlings of MITW in the Zariman tileset, so some other kids might've seen him too, unless it's implied Rell was the one who drew them all

[reef compass]

Ngl I am extremely surprised that it was Mathila the only one emotion representant that popped there in Isleweaver, specially with Sythel directly experiencing Wally

[tight pagoda]

Mathila's husband died preventing the Indifference from invading

[hearty pendant]

there's a line about there being a "crack" in mathila's mind that let wally in, implied to be her dead husband, garmi
trying to find it but the wiki's failing me

[craggy saddle]

I know she has absolutely no memory of her dead husband, and while some of the NPCs suggest it's the trauma of losing him, there's subtext that something more nefarious is going on.

I'm only going by what I remember overhearing in Duviri personally.

[hearty pendant]

i'd always thought she was repressing the memory so heavily to remain "happy"

[tight pagoda]

I think she does have memory, she's just actively ignoring it and trying to feel happy instead

[reef compass]

Do you mean she joyously killed him or something? Oh.

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah no, her story is pretty clear she's repressing any grief

[tight pagoda]

No, the Watchers Island story outright tells us how he died

There was a Rain of Chains that breached Duviri and caused massive chains to destroy his lighthouse

[reef compass]

I reeeeally need to gather the remaining shinies i guess the important stuff is always on the last page

[tight pagoda]

The Rain of Chains being us, freeing Harrow/Rell

[graceful zodiac]

Presumably

[tight pagoda]

Of course, not spelt out but the implication is heavy

[hearty pendant]

there's a lot of similar/shared terms between the two

[hearty pendant]

ah here it is, when energizing a shrine
"Don't tell Mathila it was the crack in her mind that let me in."
-# odd that the wiki doesn't have that line at this point. its.. been long enough to.

[night grail]

I have a solution

[lament birch]

Ah makes sense. Mathila always made me feel like she was the representative of toxic positivity in the cycle. Neat to know there's a lore reason for it

[zenith jacinth]

Mathila is supposed to just represent happiness but her void self ended up losing so much she went a bit crazy

[still trench]

Is there any possibility for us to get new necramechs, or get more customizations possibilities?

[echo basalt]

whenever DE wants to add more

[still trench]

I mean.. we're about to get tau.. so..

[pastel frost]

well, turns out I for whatever reason do not have the option to drain the cyst - and yes, I have one, and yes, it should be more than mature already!

11 days - and not the option to drain it into a kubrow

[noble drift]

So you get to this screen and don't see the drain option at the bottom?

[covert tree]

I beg for new nechramechs

[craggy saddle]

Do you have spare kubrow eggs? Or a pet needing naming/maturing?

[pastel frost]

yes

[noble drift]

puzzling... the frame is equipped, the bright pink cyst is there and has a tendril, you've got the egg and the incubator core. That should be all the requirements.

[shadow forum]

Well guys I'm more curious about man in the walls, why did he copied entrati and that daughter of those 2 parents from the hex,plus operator tenno and others like loid, why is he copying them are they because they are afraid of something huge.

Ot that man in the walls doesn't know the true love.

Why would entrati tell him that word.

[hearty pendant]

he seems to take the form of whoever he feels like
he's been in direct contact with albrecht and the operator, he uses loid's form against albrecht, and he's possessing rusalka

similarly, he likely adopted the "man in the wall" form we see at the end of the new war because that's what Rell called him

[shadow forum]

But how he was released

I'm more concerned maybe he was released from the hidden message quest.

[hearty pendant]

Rell was holding him back until we release Rell during Chains of Harrow, which is when we take on that burden
we're not doing a great job at it, but we're trying

[shadow forum]

Looks like even when devs told that man in the wall continues his missions, looks like we will see him maybe in old peace quest and even tau.

o.o I'm more curious, how he will be stopped.

[hearty pendant]

i've not seen any evidence that he'll be in the old peace

he'll likely follow albrecht to Tau, if that's where albrecht has gone

[shadow forum]

oh man looks like all this hidden message will give some answers to our man in the wall.

No wonder albrecht told that word to him.

Love

[cerulean kiln]

Old Peace is probably sometime around when Rell was busy locking him up anyway

[noble drift]

Albrecht refers to him as the "man trapped in the wall" in some of his notes as well, unclear on the timing of the notes being recorded, but they refer to a period before Rell.

[shadow forum]

So 1 Important question, will we ever find a way and patience to stop that darkness. Man trapped in the wall.

[hearty pendant]

huh. well, one of the two, then

[shadow forum]

Well he was the only one who was talented and qualified to stop him, even his mother supported him.

[amber terrace]

If someone would be able to help my confusion, wasn’t the Zariman marooned in the Void for who knows how long? I also thought that it was confirmed that the Zariman never made it to Tau? Wasn’t it also a thing that once the Tenno were removed from the Zariman, they were cooped up on Lua blinding Margulis and vaporizing or mutilating others, until the Sentients came back because they hated the Orokin before it was cool, which at that point the Tenno were told to get in the robot, Shinji(or transference pod whatsit)? The attached screenshot is from the Old Peace demo during Tennocon 2025, where Loid fishes the Tenno out of the water and asks Lotus why she keeps on making the Tenno live through Tau. I find this important because I think it brings up the question of whether or not the Old Peace we play during the quest actually happened?

[livid glen]

More likely than not the Old Peace did happen, considering Caliban Prime and all the comments from Reb about this being the past and focus schools using sentient parts and what not

However

The events may not have happened this exact way

Or perhaps they are corrupted in a different way

(E.g. the Margulis frame)

[quick smelt]

Polluted to me is more like it’s probably somewhat weirded

Due to these memories being repressed memories. There’s no telling how we’d recall these events since it’s been so many years of them being locked away.

The brain is weird after all

[amber terrace]

Another point I forgot to put in my wall of text, why would the Sentients be all happy happy joy joy to work with humanity/the Orokin after we tossed them through the Void and permanently kneecapped their ability to reproduce? I mean if Elon musk sent me to Mars and gave me a vasectomy with the goal of making Mars habitable, I wouldn’t be particularly happy to work with the folks he sends to Mars

[craggy saddle]

I kinda wonder if the quest is going to have it so our Tenno is the one who accidentally burnt out Margulis's eyes, for extra angst factor, or if it's just a bad thing that happened.

[livid glen]

We didn't

[exotic gate]

they didn't go though the void on their way there, only on the way back.

[livid glen]

The Sentient only went through the Void on the way back

[quick smelt]

They can reproduce on Tau
It was the ones that traveled back to fight the Orokin that lost their reproduction capabilities.

[amber terrace]

That makes a lot more sense

[exotic gate]

I'm questioning if it was actually Rell who did it, might be a secondary cause he was abandoned.

[shadow forum]

🤌 imagine final battle comes in TAU between lotus,tenno,drifter against the man in the walls to stop him from harming further and to save entrati, that would be one of the biggest ways to see what would happen there and how it would affect, maybe we see and old pals.

[pastel frost]

the cyst doesn't actually appear on the warframe, but when I go to the helminth, it tells me it can remove the cyst, and it's also 11 days since I created the warframe and got myself the infection

[balmy badger]

Considering "Blinded, she cast him out", I think it was Rell.

[velvet bison]

so i used the stalker in steelpath circuit and man it was bad

if only it was the daddy stalker version with baby

[noble drift]

That sounds like something is bugged. Might have to try and get the cyst from a different frame through transmission then.

[livid glen]

But wasn't he cast put in the Zariman, according to the comic.

He wasn't with the other kids.

[noble drift]

The other kids kicked him out, but I would expect he'd be put back with them when the officials got them off the Zariman. He was certainly with them on Lua through the cold sleep and long enough into the Old War to get involved in the warframe project and have his own frame.

[craggy saddle]

I thought Lotus mentioned she didn't recognize him during Chains of Harrow, like he wasn't among the Tenno who were placed in the reservoirs.

So there's an odd gap for him.

[balmy badger]

Palladino says that Margulis cast Rell out herself, so. It wasn't just the other Tenno.

[noble drift]

Lotus may have not recognized him because he was removed/exiled before she (Natah) took over from Margulis

[velvet bison]

i regret wasting my points on stalker

[livid glen]

Yeah, but Palladino also worked on legends and stories past on by generations

Not exactly a reliable narrator

[craggy saddle]

Dang, poor kid had it rough, I forgot that part of the mission text. I guess she must have sensed something off when Wally took interest in Rell.

And then, yeah, if Margulis rejected Rell, Lotus definitely wouldn't have known.

[opaque dove]

Rell just wanted to fit in, and everyone he met cast him out when he needed them most. Rell has to be one of the saddest characters in Warframe.

[noble drift]

he managed to keep his warframe with him when he left, and he wasn't just jade lighted. I don't think it's just a simple rejection and exile despite what the "public" message might have been.

[open holly]

hey so do any of the kaithe's abilities make it worth using in the origin system outside of "hehe funi horse" and "THE CAVALRY HAS ARRIVED!!!" jokes?

[hearty pendant]

not really

[quick smelt]

Best I know that is official about Rell

His autism allowed him to T-Pose on Wally for a lot of centuries. He truly was the goat.

[livid glen]

No, just funi horse

[wicked iron]

I've been able to clean house with him on SP.

[open holly]

and why cant origin system drifter use shawzin or kaithe??? why is it locked to warframe??? it cant possibly be an animation issue since its already in duviri

[velvet bison]

must have been lucky with decree and loadout then

[wicked iron]

Just don't forget to be invisible with Stalker. He gets a big bonus to crit while invis.

[velvet bison]

yeah i was and it still sucked

[wicked iron]

Nah, I just stay invis and use 2 and 4 for aoe killing when needed.

Hardly ever matters what weapons I roll when I get him. XD

[livid glen]

Because gameplay wise he's just the Operator, and DE didn't bother changing the code to make him an exception.

[velvet bison]

well good for you i didnot get and will never pick him again untill we get daddy with baby version

[open holly]

rare DE L moment 😔

[quick smelt]

One day we will totally get Stalker Prime 100%

Stalker Heirloom

(Help me I’m stuck on Delusion Gas)

[livid glen]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[noble drift]

and this is why we don't try to assassinate Kela during Dog Days.

[quick smelt]

Please DE, my copium is running ou-

KALA’s JUST HUFFING OUR COPIUM
It all makes sense now

Kela*
Kala?

H m

[noble drift]

"How DARE you forget how to spell the name of THE KELA DE THAYM"

erm, sorry, seem to be having another security issue with my com channel... why is this hardware so flaky?

[winged obsidian]

A chance of getting possessed by Kela de Thaym is low but never impossible

[warm wharf]

Got my Drifter and the lip and accent colours are wonk

[open holly]

hey I forget how do you access the stairs down to the cavia area if you went to the necralisk first

[noble drift]

through necraloid's back room

[open holly]

well I meant

im in the room with necraloid where hes just named loid

but I forget how to access the stairs cause its just that blue energy well thing

oh wait

I figured what happened, the game bugged cause I used the fast travel to get to him

both ways in or out of this room are locked

I can fast travel to the cavia tho so that should fix it

im unstuck but the room is still locked lmao, borked server

[upper flax]

god it feels so good being bisexual

[zenith jacinth]

Phrasing

[real niche]

What phrasing

[still trench]

Uhm..

[tight pagoda]

Yeah if you try coloring them, they just disappear. To fix this, switch to your Operator and back, the colors will now show up. However, if you try changing them again, they'll disappear again. So to "preview" you have to repeat the process a whole bunch.

[misty veldt]

Is there a way to make the highlights and tips to work on the hair for the operator/drifter? Cause no matter what I do they never show up

[tight pagoda]

Depends on the hairstyle

Older ones don't actually have a place to apply channels, I think

[misty veldt]

Noted

[opaque dove]

Hmm yes

[open holly]

omg how did i just notice-

the tenno, are from the zariman ten zero
or
zariman 10 0
(pronounced ten oh)
tenno

this is stupid I hate my life

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah you're very late to the party

[open holly]

yeah I can tell

[open holly]

sorry to ping ya but do you happen to know how to fix the bug that prevents transference in hub locations (fortuna, necralisk, cetus, etc.)

[zenith jacinth]

No

[craggy saddle]

Hey, it's more fun to discover that on your own, no matter how late, instead of just being told.

[open holly]

I always just assumed it was the name of their people, from wherever they came from before the zariman

I was pondering stuff in the rift as limbo while my team carried an elimination phase of a bounty (as one does) and I put 2 & 2 together

or rather

[undone pagoda]

yeah, same
or it had some meaning that i didnt know
yeah now i also feel dumb as crap :3

[open holly]

10 and 0

[tight pagoda]

There's a Lich line that goes something like "Ten Oh— that's our score"

[open holly]

I just got Solaris maxed and I hate it so much please help im dying

[hearty pendant]

you can turn on spoiler mode to revert it iirc
hides a bunch of other stuff too
i have no idea where in the settings it is tho

[open holly]

its called streamer mode iirc

hides music that only shows later in the game, shuts up certain ordis lines, makes him his original self, makes lotus default, idk what it does about you playing as drifter/operator tho

"creator mode" in social.

[craggy saddle]

You know, there's a specific "mute Ordis" option for people. I wonder if "hide Solaris" could also be a future toggle.

[open holly]

well its called "ordis orbiter transmissions" but yeah

[warm wharf]

Playing New War. Is there an archon I should leave for last?

[craggy saddle]

Most people leave Nira for last. Her fight is a real pain for Drifter only, and she's nicely thematic (and more straightforward) as the last.

Since she was the one to attack you so early.

[warm wharf]

Oki, thanks

[craggy saddle]

No problem. I just remember I had a buddy who started with Nira, and it was a really frustrating fight for him. Lot of stealth and timing sections.

[warm wharf]

Oh God, yeah, I'll leave her last then haha

[covert tree]

Personally I did snake wolf they felt the easiest I hate that owl ive played new war like 3 times and always did that patern

[warm wharf]

I'll see how I get on then

[covert tree]

Honestly just do what you want to go with

[livid glen]

The only difficult part of Boreal (the owl) is the screech to be honest. Just throw a smoke bomb to bypass it though.

[craggy saddle]

Boreal is a pain to hit, but once you figure out his rhythm (especially with his shielding/self heal mode), it's easier. Granted, I'm sure Nira's petrify cycle is something you get used to as well.

[covert tree]

I never learned how to actually do boreal

[craggy saddle]

Yup, it's smokebomb as he screeches.

[covert tree]

Well i never have to do it again anyway so meh

[livid glen]

I played it twice and never used the somkebomb to be honest, I just spamed rolls lol

[covert tree]

I just saved him for last because I hate him and he deserved the painful death

[livid glen]

Both times I did Boreal then Amar 'cause leaving Nira for last just makes the most thematic sense to be honest.

[livid glen]

Nira is the only Archon who's moves I don't know and just spam Protective Sling and shoot to be honest.

(In Archon Hunts)

The rest I know what to do and how to avoid

[covert tree]

Oh I just rolled shot my bow heal repeat I dont do hunts often im trying to focus on other stuff

I barley learned amar i just shot the clones at random

[livid glen]

The clone is the only one holding weapons, I think

Also the Drifter's radar shows the correct one

[covert tree]

Oh im so dumb

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[warm wharf]

Done! That was easier once I knew what I was doing!

Also that smokebomb tip was definitely needed

[craggy saddle]

Nice! Glad to hear it!

[steep totem]

Lol, I did Nira first
I didn't notice if she was a pain or not, I think I just nuked her with Nataruk

Boreal...
Boreal was pure pain

[livid glen]

I did Boreal first and after I googled how to get past the bubble (I didn't actually read it properly and didn't realise I could use the smoke screen lol) it wasn't that hard.

[steep totem]

I didn't read anything
I just charged the bubble with sheer willpower

[livid glen]

I mean, that's how I ended up bypassing it, by just rolling though it.

It's just that at first I thought it was just something to avoid

But Boreal kept healing with it

And then I read I had to hit him from within the bubble

So I just spam-rolled my way into it.

[steep totem]

No, no
I didn't even roll
Just slowly charged at him, then sniped his stupid head with a perfect shot

Man, it took me ages

[craggy saddle]

Sheer anime protagonist willpower.

[livid glen]

I... didn't even know that was possible lol

Sprinting into it usually got me reppelled

[steep totem]

I was a stubborn little Drifter

It's been a little bit, but I think what I did was hit the bubble, then press the sprint key

Slowly but surely, I made my way inside to shoot Boreal

[eternal flume]

SAME

Wasn’t that slow for me actually

I also read nothing.
Well, really just remembered nothing

I read it and remembered that you don’t let snake lady look at you or smth

And uhhh smth abt boreal’s tridents giving you time to dodge? I forget

[shadow forum]

Well guys I'm curious, if operator will go to TAU, I wonder will we see a cutscene from the past about lotus and margulis and sentients with tenno, that would be a huge story I hope there won't be just some expansion but a huge mission quest ever,will it last for 40 to 50 hours .

[livid glen]

As much as I would enjoy a 40 hour quest, that is certainly not happening.

As to what we'll see from the past

I imagine Margulis will play a part

Considering the single frame that appeared in the trailer

[urban sky]

You know, something just hit me

[hearty pendant]

with how much people complain about being locked into the new war, absolutely not

[urban sky]

Where will the new Protoframes be in the Mall?

[livid glen]

Considering that the Old Peace can be played pre-Hex

They won't be in the mall.

[hearty pendant]

there's plenty of space
and if they want to do the roundtable bar trick again, still a bunch of closed doors

[winged obsidian]

I was theorizing that and saw a pretty big empty space at the Round Table near Flare and Lizzie. So I’m thinking they’ll be there, but who knows

[hearty pendant]

Devil's Triad is a side-story though, it probably isn't fully connected to Old Peace

[winged obsidian]

We don’t know if they are gonna be in the mall or not, but Devil’s Triad is a side story and since they’re protoframes, it’s safe to assume they’ll most likely be part of the 1999 gang

I’m just really excited for more Lua and Sol lore

[hearty pendant]

oh yeah
the Sol and Lua bit lends itself far more to dualism than anything orokin-era

[livid glen]

While I know it was referred to as an "entrati side-story", other than that, is there any other confirmation that it's not part of the same quest?

Considering that Uriel is front and center on the key art

[winged obsidian]

And with Lyon’s concept art, I am very interested on how much of zealot he’ll be too. I do have a theory we might actually have to fight them because they might see Drifter as the devil because Void shenanigans

[hearty pendant]

the term "side story" implies that it is disconnected from the "main story" of the update
n Uriel could be the connection point between them

[winged obsidian]

None so far. But it would be interesting to have Uriel in both quests

[livid glen]

I mean, I think we were supposed to play as him before they changed that to excal prime, don't remember where I heard that though.

[winged obsidian]

I don’t think so because of those teasers before Tennocon had prime Mag, Volt and lastly Excalibur. Maybe we eventually meet Uriel later on, if he’s part of Old Peace.

[livid glen]

True, but at the same time, it's specifically an Entrati side-story. As in, while it's not the main story of Tau, it doesn't mean it can't be in that same quest (since we are still in the Sanctum and we saw Entrati stuff being activated).

Ofcourse, we probably won't find out until the quest releases, but it is interesting to theorise on how it will all work.

[winged obsidian]

I did notice Uriel is more silvery in the Old Peace promo art than how he looked in Devil’s Triad trailer, but I could be wrong

[urban sky]

Maybe

[urban sky]

Who knows, but I rather them be in the Mall honestly

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, there are other places in the Mall as well like the food court and that particular radio, so they could also be there. Or maybe they’ll be scattered throughout the Mall.

Maybe even the Internet cafe, which would be cool to utilize as the Triad’s location

[hearty pendant]

definitely looks more white/silver in the old peace key art
not sure if that's lighting reflection though
the two environments are lit very differently lol

[livid glen]

What I find the most interesting is that we have yet to see the actual Protoframe for Uriel

Either he isn't the third

Or

More likely

There is something about his protfeame form

I for one am hoping that we will get a peotoframe where the infestation started with the head

And then went downwards

Although him being an Orokin is also an interesting idea

[hearty pendant]

Quincy and Flare were also the last of their groups to be revealed, iirc
new frame gets their proto shown off last seems to be the pattern

[livid glen]

But did we seethe base frames before their protos?

Been a while, don't remember

[hearty pendant]

i think Cyte was shown off before they properly did the 1999 gameplay demo during that tennocon
and i think Temple was talked about if not shown on a devstream before the Encore trailer dropped

[livid glen]

But hoe did that compare with the other protos

'Cause I don't remember there being that big of a difference between their showcase

(Again, it's been a while, my memory isn't that good lol)

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, that’s why I’m a bit doubtful because it’s entirely different lighting in both, but I guess we’ll see once Uriel is released

[hearty pendant]

iirc Quincy and Flare were shown alongside the other protos from their groups (sans Arthur n Aoi, as they were teased in whispers and promo art), Uriel is definitely different in that we've seen Father Lyon and Marie but not the 3rd proto, but it still isn't out of the "pattern" that the new frame's proto is being hidden until closer to release

[steep totem]

Or maybe Uriel is a sentient frame like Stalker

[livid glen]

But then who's the third protoframe

[steep totem]

Exactly
It's not a protoframe, it's the frame himself

discounting the likely possibility that I missed an official statement saying there will be three protoframes

I just feel like three protos would be unbalanced

[cerulean kiln]

-# (Taken from the new TennoCon Major Reveals trailer)

"In addition to offering up Protoframes for Wisp and Harrow and the new devil-themed Warframe, Uriel, The Old Peace will also set the stage for a major new expansion into the Tau System coming later in 2026."

[livid glen]

To be fair that's rather vague

[steep totem]

Hmm
No three protos
Just Wisp and Harrow

[livid glen]

It could mean that it's 3 protos

[real niche]

It's weird wording but if they wanted to mention a Protoframe for Uriel, they wouldn't have separated it like that.

It'd be "In addition to offering up Protoframes for Wisp, Harrow and the new devil-themed Warframe..."

[livid glen]

We do know that we are getting 3 new KIM chats though, if I'm remembering right.

[cerulean kiln]

And yes DE confirmed 3 new protos at Tennocon

[steep totem]

Ah well

[real niche]

Yes but if it was going to dead certain be Uriel, I doub they would've done the wording like that

[quick smelt]

It’d be weird to make a random protoframe that’s not Uriel

Because that’d be weird to see these three in the same room
But then DE going like
“Oh, here’s Proto Rhino btw” and pan over to him being in the corner

[steep totem]

Maybe the third is Caliban
probably a pipe dream, I know

[livid glen]

It's actually Proto-Loki in the middle of the room

That was invisible the entire time

[steep totem]

Don't do that
Don't get my hopes up

[quick smelt]

Imagine they do that
Full release video
Shows the two Protos and Uriel leaving the room and just Loki decloak noise
Proto Loki in the middle of the room

[steep totem]

I can
I love it already
I don't want to be disappointed

again

[livid glen]

Little known fact: Proto Loki is in every Hex scene. You just can't see him 'cause he doesn't know how to disable his invis

[quick smelt]

If they add Proto Loki, I want this to be canon
And just
“But why didn’t Eleanor tell us?”
Eleanor: “We thought it would be hilarious if I didn’t say anything.”

[steep totem]

...

[real niche]

I wanted there to be a proto Loki when they first showed off 1999 but he's like dead and left in a pile of garbage when they mentioned the current starters were shown to be protos

[livid glen]

Alas, DE seems to forget Loki exists.

I still can't believe they changed the Heirloom pattern just as it was approaching him

[steep totem]

That might be funny to some
But I don't think DE would like the implications involved

[steep totem]

Afaik, he has the same problem as Limbo
They want to rework him, they're just not sure how to update his kit without changing his flavor

I know Pablo has explicitly said he doesn't want to make Loki into a straight nuke

[livid glen]

Yeah, pretty much. In Pablo's opinion you can't rework it without turning him into a viral spreading damage dealer.

For some reason.

[quick smelt]

Daily reminder
Stalker dropped a Loki head in Second Dream
Clearly this means Headless Loki is currently recovering in a Helminth room somewhere waiting for the right moment to return in some godly moment

[livid glen]

He'll arrive riding on the explosive roomba from 1999 to deal the finishing blow to Wally. Mark my words.

[quick smelt]

Honestly Loki could be reworked if they just
Merged some of his augments into his baseline abilities in some way

He is a trickster
I can imagine his decoy being able to be put on enemies or his disarm also applying a status effect or so

Switch tele with an enemy to prime them that, when killed, explodes to apply some effect to enemies around them.

Like it doesn’t even have to be status effects

Damage vulnerability
Armor strip
Slowness
Etc.

[open holly]

idk who the third is but I was told we were getting wisp and harrow

[noble drift]

three new protoframes, but they're all just Xaku.

[shadow forum]

What is those new protoframes are the quest thingy first from some area.

What ya think.

[noble drift]

If they don't drop Uriel as the third, Equinox might be an interesting choice. Angling off the whole Sol/Lua religious dualism with someone who embodies both.

[zenith jacinth]

What

[tight pagoda]

We're probably going to be given the Tauron operator outfit for the quest, right? Seems like in the demo, they were wearing the standard Zariman suit during the Sanctum scenes

[wise solstice]

Wally when he takes our form
“I AM YOU, YOU ARE ME, YOU ARE I, I AM WE, WE ARE ONE, SPLIT IN TWO, THAT MAKES ONE…”

[wise solstice]

True

[wise solstice]

(He’s messing with us)

[balmy storm]

That’s coming with Caliban Prime later this month

[craggy saddle]

Considering that Uriel got completely infested rather than partially like the protoframes, I wonder if part of the quest is helping Uriel's base human to fight off the strain and regain some of their humanity.

[wise solstice]

That’s so dumb
It should be with the quest
If not the new peace

[balmy storm]

What
New peace???

[opaque dove]

I hope the Oberon rework and Lavos deluxe comes with him

[wise solstice]

The quest where we go to Tau

[balmy storm]

Counterpoint, not dumb cause they literally said it was coming :p

[balmy storm]

That’s not coming this month, that’s in the fall update

[balmy storm]

That’s not called the new peace
We don’t have a name, just “Tau 2026”

[wise solstice]

Still not a good move for DE
It makes so much more sense if the outfit was a quest item considering we USED TO WEAR IT

[wise solstice]

yeah but I like to call it that

[balmy storm]

We used to wear all prime suits :?

[opaque dove]

Sadge

[wise solstice]

Ehh… not true
Other operators maybe
(NOT INCLUDING THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A PRIME VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL OPERATOR SUIT)

But not us

[balmy storm]

They wore it in the demo and showed caliban prime cause both relate to the old peace, they’re just old war era items same as all other prime gear lol

[balmy storm]

I mean maybe, but the suits still existed so the logic is there

[thick jolt]

plus wherever our old wardrobe was it's probably long gone

[wise solstice]

To be fair, we were wearing the regular operator outfit when we woke up and told Loid what we saw

[balmy storm]

We did have an old arsenal that we’ve had to build back up, that includes our cosmetics

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, and?
My point is that we could have worn any number of prime regalia back in the day, not just the tauron suit

Which the tauron suit is with caliban prime cause
Same place
And he has to come with something and this is what they made

[thick jolt]

i remember wearing a lot of clothes i don't own anymore so this isn't the best argument

[balmy storm]

We will very likely get more operator cosmetics with the update, new hair is def coming for example and the operator in the demo had an odd forehead item and wore a respirator of some kind that we haven’t seen since

[wise solstice]

True, but I’d say we either wore
A: That one prime access fit that resembles the operator’s original
And the Tauron one

[wise solstice]

It’s more a lore thing

[thick jolt]

it isn't

[wise solstice]

And either way it still fits the operator

[balmy storm]

What prime regalia that matches the zariman suit?

[zenith jacinth]

What is going on

[wise solstice]

Think so..?

[balmy storm]

No, what prime regalia is there that matches the zariman suit.

[thick jolt]

old peace is about remembering stuff

saying we should receive the clothing just because we remember wearing it is a bit of a stretch to me

[balmy storm]

I have all of them and none are 1:1

[wise solstice]

Let me check

[zenith jacinth]

If I got my old stuff every time I remembered it I'd be rich

[wise solstice]

Saita

Saita Prime

[balmy storm]

Eh, I wouldn’t say it’s 1:1

[zenith jacinth]

Saitama

[wise solstice]

No but it looks very similar

[balmy storm]

Anyway
We def had more than one outfit and the tauron regalia has a connection to caliban prime so it fits with him perfectly since both connect to tauron academy in general
Would it be cool if we got both in the update? Sure
But that’s not what’s happening

[wise solstice]

Yeah, it’s not happening, but it’d make sense to be kind of like the Operator Voidshell outfit

[balmy storm]

Not really?

Old Peace takes place in a memory
We can’t pull anything from it physically

[steep totem]

I have an overwhelming urge to make my Drifter bald now
Thank you

[wise solstice]

Fair, but Tau 2026 makes it possible for us to get it

In fact, extremely possible

[balmy storm]

If there’s new physical resources in it, which has yet to be seen, then they may have to explain how we have those
But the main thing we’ll learn, the tauron focus expansion is tied specifically to knowledge
So
We can extract that by remembering it

[wise solstice]

Even if it’s a blueprint

[balmy storm]

Yeah cool let’s wait til next year for a suit they said was already coming :p

Also like
We don’t know the current state of Tau, if anything Orokin survived

[noble drift]

the sentients have had a while to do whatever they like there, and I can't imagine the Old Peace ending with us on very good terms with them.

[wise solstice]

Fair… well other than the giant mech

[balmy storm]

It’s possible the Sentients destroyer as many reminders of the Orokin as they could
We just don’t know beyond the big egg possibly surviving

[opaque dove]

Doubtful considering how sentients are about orokin

[balmy storm]

Considering after the old peace Hunhow goes on to destroy the rail?
Yeah it def doesn’t go well ):

[wise solstice]

They’d still steal a few things for themselves
Spoils of war, it’s called.

[balmy storm]

The Orokin hate the Sentients and don’t wanna share
The Sentients just want their home
The treaty is broken and the old war must continue and unceremoniously end with Hunhow destroying the rail, severing Tau and the Origin System

[noble drift]

I'm not sure the sentients would care all that much about war spoils? They're aware, but they're also terraforming robots. They might just disassemble everything down to component atoms and use it to build something useful.

[hearty pendant]

not when your goal is wiping them out entirely

[balmy storm]

I mean they def have the capacity to care, but they probably would just recycle stuff yeah

[wise solstice]

True, but killing them and taking their stuff are two different things

[balmy storm]

Especially with how long it’s been since the old war?
Yeah I can see them largely moving on, some likely still remembering

I mean it looks like the sentients don’t uh. Want a war tbh

[wise solstice]

They might have some kind of museum or something
(With a few added things as propaganda)

If they’re still around

[balmy storm]

I don’t think they’d need propaganda tbh, the sentients have always been victims

[zenith jacinth]

Sentients don't seem like the sort to do propaganda

[balmy storm]

They can have a museum that’s accurate and it still gets the message across

[balmy storm]

Closest we’ve ever had is Narmer which is a literal cult started by a non-sentient

[wise solstice]

True ngl

[zenith jacinth]

Wrong channel

[balmy storm]

The sentients deserve a home

[wise solstice]

“Heal the pain of independence…”

[wise solstice]

AGREED

[zenith jacinth]

Healed*

[wise solstice]

Fully agreed
The Operator too ngl

[zenith jacinth]

Op has a home

[balmy storm]

They’re not 100% innocent ofc but they’re absolutely victims and their crimes wouldn’t have happened if they just got their home

So once again it’s the Orokin’s fault lol

[wise solstice]

Not really… they have a friend, and a ship with a few things that help with making it like a home, but does it truly count?

[steep totem]

The Seven's fault
I'm not convinced every Orokin is evil

[balmy storm]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

The zariman is their home

[wise solstice]

Albrecht wasn’t evil
He’s the average scientist

[wise solstice]

Too chaotic at the moment

[zenith jacinth]

A home can be chaotic

[balmy storm]

The Operator’s family is big
Lotus
Ordis
Teshin, though he’s harder to get to now
The Zariman / Holdfasts
Literally everyone we’ve helped

[balmy storm]

They often are chaotic

[wise solstice]

Not “die in your sleep” chaotic

[balmy storm]

Like we literally help the Entrati family and become part of that family, the Operator isn’t alone

[zenith jacinth]

Not to mention the zariman is referred to as the operator's home multiple times

[steep totem]

Eh, carbon monoxide is still a thing

[wise solstice]

I didn’t say he’s alone
I said he has no proper home

[zenith jacinth]

Dormizone and crysalith are safe

[wise solstice]

Not a proper home

[balmy storm]

The Orbiter with literal living quarters:

[wise solstice]

For now

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh

[balmy storm]

Yeah your home is safe for now too, this is not a valid argument

[steep totem]

The dojos might be the closest and safest we can get to a stable home

[wise solstice]

Eh.., it’s more a living room, but the chair room is more of a bedroom

[balmy storm]

Idk the Orbiter is fairly safe too

[steep totem]

By that logic, anyways

[wise solstice]

Agreed

[zenith jacinth]

Not really a home

[wise solstice]

You could make it a home

[steep totem]

I agree
But by the logic they're using, apparently it's not

[balmy storm]

I mean it can arguably be whatever you want
The whole orbiter is our home, it’s where we rest, it’s where we keep our stuff

[zenith jacinth]

It's a base for a clan, not a home

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but I don't think we'll be forced to buy it, we'll still be wearing it for the Old Peace quest

[balmy storm]

If the logic is complete safety then that’s an impossibility

[wise solstice]

It’s kind of safe, it isn’t because it could be found (it’s extremely hard to find, like Queen’s Fortress)

[wise solstice]

I’m saying safe enough to rest in

[zenith jacinth]

The zariman is referred to as the operator's home, the zariman is the operator's home.

[balmy storm]

I think we will have to buy it beyond the quest
It’ll be a excal prime situation where we can use it in the quest but that’s about it

[balmy storm]

That’s the Orbiter then.

[tight pagoda]

Yep, that's what I'm meaning, sorry if that was unclear

[balmy storm]

You’re good

[wise solstice]

The orbiter, yes
But there are times when the orbiter were infiltrated

[tight pagoda]

Everywhere can be infiltrated

[balmy storm]

your home can be infiltrated

The logic of “it’s completely safe” does not work because that does not exist

[zenith jacinth]

Zay doesn't believe in homes, clearly

[wise solstice]

Of course, but it’s more than normal to be fair

[balmy storm]

The Orbiter is the safest physical home option for the tenno

[wise solstice]

The orbiter has been infiltrated, or attacked about 5 or 6 times
And that’s on camera

[tight pagoda]

The Dojos aren't in some secret part of space that will instantly kill anyone who isn't a Tenno

[balmy storm]

It’s been broken into twice
By the same guy
Who we’re chill with now

[tight pagoda]

They can still theoretically be infiltrated

[balmy storm]

Huh??

[zenith jacinth]

Twice

[balmy storm]

Stalker broke in twice and that’s literally it

[wise solstice]

Wait wrong place

[hearty pendant]

what would the other times even be

[zenith jacinth]

Don't get orbiter and landing craft confused

[tight pagoda]

The Grineer Queens in War Within? But that was a hallucination

[wise solstice]

Yeah I got them confused

[tight pagoda]

And weren't even shown physically on the ship

[balmy storm]

They also never got in, they invaded our mind not our home

Which is worse

[noble drift]

an entire societal elite partaking in immortality based on regularly mindwiping young bodies and taking them over is pretty evil

[wise solstice]

But twice by the same damn guy is kinda paranoia inducing

[noble drift]

but some of them have at least gotten decently chill since then. (Grandmother)

[wise solstice]

You’d ask yourself
“If he can, who else can?”

[balmy storm]

Even the least evil orokin did that lmao

[tight pagoda]

Not to the Operator. They basically shrugged the second time off

[balmy storm]

Also like
You can be paranoid and feel unsafe in your home

It’s still your home

[wise solstice]

If I had paranoia in my own house, I’d try to move out as soon as I could

[zenith jacinth]

I think the writers get to decide what counts as a home to the operator, not the players

[hearty pendant]

he's very good at infiltrating. its almost his whole thing

[balmy storm]

Anywhere can be broken into, it’s not a valid argument
The Orbiter is the safest place for us and always has been

[tight pagoda]

Paranoia isn't tied to a location

[balmy storm]

It’s almost like he’s literally a space ninja…

[zenith jacinth]

Stalker can find the player pretty much anywhere

[noble drift]

Home is wherever the devs enable decoration mode.

[wise solstice]

No, but moving somewhere else can give the idea that you’re safer there

[tight pagoda]

when the guy named stalker stalks you 😱

[balmy storm]

Yeah this one wins

[wise solstice]

Exactly
(Dojo counts depending on what kind of clan you’re in)

[balmy storm]

Good thing the Orbiter can constantly move

[zenith jacinth]

This is a pointless discussion full of goalpost moving

[balmy storm]

Caliban Prime is more than a week away :)

[wise solstice]

REAL

I can’t wait to be Iron-Man again

[steep totem]

Careful, Scrap
Your Simaris side is showing

[zenith jacinth]

I hope calp's materials work with base cal helmets

[wise solstice]

By the way… if your pfp is your Cephalon design
Peak

[zenith jacinth]

My annoyed side is showing

[wise solstice]

Simaris sounds annoyed or calm 24/7 ngl

[steep totem]

Simaris always sounds annoyed to me

[zenith jacinth]

It's the curse of seeing from operation gargoyle's cry but purple

[balmy storm]

Scrap is peak cephalon form confirmed

[balmy storm]

You are cursed with sight

[wise solstice]

Still looks great

[zenith jacinth]

But I might keep it permanently

[wise solstice]

Purple Cephalon is so good

(My favorite color is purple 💜)

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[balmy storm]

We’re overdue for a purple-frame

[wise solstice]

Hell yeah brother/sister

[steep totem]

I've always had a fondess for purple too

[wise solstice]

Years overdue

[steep totem]

Sevagoth?
na, not enough purple, really

[zenith jacinth]

I see all that happens in my domains

[wise solstice]

Bro has all notifications on

[balmy storm]

Bro’s seen it all

[zenith jacinth]

Nah I just check roughly once per hour

[wise solstice]

Real

[wise solstice]

Average modern day person

[balmy storm]

Fun fact
Sevagoth came out on homestuck day

[zenith jacinth]

Of course you know that

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

Seva has a great purple

[balmy storm]

You have the curse of sight
I have the curse of knowing

[zenith jacinth]

Who has the curse of hearing

-# Schizophrenia be like

[steep totem]

Me
I hear everything I don't want to
And nothing I need to

[balmy storm]

rap
tap
tap

[zenith jacinth]

Most autistic people technically, actually

[steep totem]

I've barely heard of homestuck
Do I even want to know?

[balmy storm]

Yesn’t

[noble drift]

it's a very deep rabbithole

[steep totem]

So I've seen...

[balmy storm]

It’s actually currently impossible to read cause the original creator has a ballas level ego

*impossible to read easily

It’s very long
With mixed pacing
Dated
But very good, interesting characters and concepts and good humor most of the time

Also the music is peak

[noble drift]

I wouldn't be keen on transitioning all those old flash animations to something else either to be honest.

[steep totem]

I've read The Silmarillion
I think I can handle difficult books

[zenith jacinth]

That seems unlikely

[zenith jacinth]

It's difficult to access

[balmy storm]

So some fans actually made an unofficial collection that did all the hard work to make a readable and authentic experience and the creator of homestuck took it down for no reason basically
It’s a big mess

[balmy storm]

Hussie sucks

[balmy storm]

It’s difficult to access, not a difficult read if you pace yourself

[steep totem]

Oh
that kind of difficult
joy

[real niche]

I'm pretty sure it's still up??? Like right now???

[balmy storm]

Nope

The website exists sure but you can’t really read it
All the images are just
Gone
Most pages won’t even load

[steep totem]

I don't think I'll bother

[tight pagoda]

Just realized Lullaby of the Manifold is probably gonna be the Old Peace's login music, won't ever log in again because I'd be too busy listening to that banger

[zenith jacinth]

Homestuck creator getting inspiration from nintendo
Making everything old enough inaccessible

[balmy storm]

It’s presently too much of a hassle
If you are curious enough look up the let’s read, it’s unfinished but goes far enough

[real niche]

Oh the website is gon

Ah that's what confused me

[balmy storm]

It’s a really weird time to be a homestuck fan

The comic is physically difficult to read
But we’re getting something we’ve always wanted with the animated pilot

[zenith jacinth]

Homestuck fandom getting fused with undertale and hazbin fandoms to create the most cursed thing to ever exist

[steep totem]

I read a fanfic that tried applying the weird romance cluster mechanic to the characters' friend group
I think I'm good

[balmy storm]

They were already fused with undertale, Toby Fox made a lot of the music and lived in Hussie’s (Homestuck’s Author) basement while he made Undertale lol

[zenith jacinth]

Ok but he wasn't popular back then

[balmy storm]

I vaguely recall a video that talked about how some of the weird relationship things in homestuck have become more real
Idr exactly but ik it was about platonic relationships

[balmy storm]

Back then, yeah

Megalovania is in Homestuck

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder how many ppl are aware that toby made music for pokemon sw/sh

[balmy storm]

Iirc he snuck in bits from a homestuck song into some of those

I won’t say what one cause it’s insanity and has barely anything to do with the comic

[zenith jacinth]

I love how distinctly toby fox the battle tower battle theme is

Anyways, warfrsme

[steep totem]

I know he did the Glimwood Tangle music
That's about all I know his hand was in

Yes, Warframe

[real niche]

It's the Battle Tower theme and the reference is wild as hell

[steep totem]

I wouldn't know, I don't have a Switch to play it on

[balmy storm]

Warframe!

[steep totem]

Right
Which war we gonna frame now?

[balmy storm]

Fungal

[vagrant edge]

a rather fun guy

[craggy saddle]

Watch, it'll be a clown frame, not a fungus.

[gray cedar]

A fungus frame would be cool tho, clowns are goofy

[rain otter]

We already Have a clown frame

Mirage is literally a jester.

[balmy storm]

My guess is fungal frame cause the oberon rework is at the same time so
Maybe a nature themed update???

[rain otter]

A infested garden update

[balmy storm]

It’ll be the Halloween update so

[rain otter]

YO

[balmy storm]

Infested pumpkins

[rain otter]

Maybe.

[balmy storm]

I personally wouldn’t call mirage a clown frame since from my understanding jesters are different, her abilities aren’t even clownlike
Or jesterlike tbh, they’re all light based

Ig the closest for her is fun house, tricks, all that

[craggy saddle]

A mime frame would be funny as hell.

[zenith jacinth]

Mirage is a harlequin

[balmy storm]

We need a good mirage deluxe

[zenith jacinth]

Jesters aren't clowns

Jesters in history have a political background, clowns don't

[balmy storm]

We need a clownframe that embraces being silly

Give em a big exalted hammer

[zenith jacinth]

A frame that represents the weirdly common "acrobatic assassin" thing jesters get associated with would be neat

[supple dagger]

Can someone explain, what are the tenno? What do they do and where do they come from? I never fully understood

[zenith jacinth]

Have you completed the story so far?

[supple dagger]

I've made it as far as fortuna in venus

[zenith jacinth]

You still have a few quests to do before it gets explained in-game then

[craggy saddle]

Yeah, anything we explain would be major spoilers best explained by the quests.

[tight pagoda]

As of the point you are at in the story, what you need to know is that the Tenno were powerful warriors from an Old War who now work with people like the Ostrons and Vox Solaris (Cetus and Fortuna) to help the innocent and prevent the Grineer or Corpus from gaining too much power.

You will learn more as quests go on. The story really picks up at Uranus.

[supple dagger]

So I was right a species of space warriors fighting evil aliens got it 👍

[tight pagoda]

Not quite aliens

[zenith jacinth]

There are no aliens in warframe

[tight pagoda]

Everything has a human origin (except maybe the infestation)

But it's been millennia between where we are now IRL and in the future so you can assume there's some evolutionary changes

Won't say too much, again, spoilers

[craggy saddle]

I know one of the quadruped infested mobs is a twisted Grineer soldier suffering some serious anatomical rearrangement, so, yeah, they're kinda complicated.

[winged obsidian]

I would say Infestation is as alien as it comes, but traditional aliens like Mass Effect or Star Wars? Nah. But as you progress through the story, you’ll find out some secrets

[supple dagger]

Your telling me them ugly ahh grineer are humans 😭

[craggy saddle]

At this point, I think were human is kinda workable. They've been cloned and cloned and cloned so much most of them are genetically and physically falling apart.

[humble coral]

i just got the bloodshed sigil from profit taker...is that rare?

[echo basalt]

yea and canonically &#%@%!% bat#$%@

[zenith jacinth]

They were once

[zenith jacinth]

Kinda

[echo basalt]

yea have you not seen the handsome grineer face model @supple dagger

[tight pagoda]

3% chance it drops it so yes

[wise solstice]

Lemme see-

[echo basalt]

<it'll be in one of the devstreams, which one? It'll be past 120 but before the latest tenolive, if I remember correctly it's the one that discusses the cinematic opening that was added with the newer player experience>

<probably devstream 140ish>

[hearty pendant]

this one?

[steep totem]

Sith Grineer?
we're all gonna die

[echo basalt]

yea

[rain otter]

This is probably just for "prime" grinner.

[covert tree]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-squidward-beautiful-gorgeous-gif-6025465

Lookin

[steep totem]

Am I the only one who finds those glowing eyes creepy?

[open holly]

bouta guild my first amp, any name suggestions? I got nothing.

actually wait, its one of those rapid fire but not beam amps, how does "swiss cheesinator" sound

[covert tree]

Perfect

[tight pagoda]

It's him. Jack Grineer himself

[wise solstice]

“LIAR!!” Looking grineer
“I HATE YOOOUUU!!” Head ahh

[wise solstice]

Glowing eyes are beautiful
Unless it’s Anakin’s sith eyes
Like those

Yeah I get what you mean

I know someone that made a Prime Grineer model that has blue glowing eyes

(By made I mean “found” and modified)

Names will not be disclosed

[undone lodge]

Not a species, a caste

[night grail]

But do I want to say goodbye to all the glowing eyes?

[urban sky]

This Op rework, I assume it effects their faces, tho only thing I noitce is the eyes been updated

but I assume Drifter faces will get the same treatment, or at least the eyes anyway?

I ask that cuz in the New War, your Drift copy and pastes your OP look, so that might be a problem

[tight pagoda]

No, Drifter will not be affected

They said this when they announced the Operator rework late last year

The rework seems to be more about textures than head shapes

but i'm no game dev

[covert tree]

The whole face has been changed the dont look as smooth

[covert tree]

Would of been grand if they got a face-lift aswell

[tight pagoda]

100%

Drifter needs it more than Operator IMO

[urban sky]

Hm

[tight pagoda]

Actually in my experience, FemOperator looks fine, MascDrifter looks fine (so long as you've got a beard), but MascOperator and FemDrifter look 'off'

[urban sky]

Well, I guess it's to shut up the people who love their children soldiers but I assume the Drifters are just gonna be left out?

[covert tree]

Idk my fem drifter seems fine saying that she wears stuff over her face

[tight pagoda]

I've been using FemOperator since the beginning (started in Dante Unbound) and Masc Drifter until last month

So it might just be me viewing my new FemDrifter as uncanny

[night grail]

The beard textures are so damn bad

[covert tree]

Yeah we need new beards

[urban sky]

I used FemOperator & FemDrifter until the beards came out, then I swapped but my Op remain Female

But the only reason why my Op looks so "decent" is thanks to @livid glen

But my Drift looks like that guy from Spiderman homecoming

daredevil I think his name is?

I have the Stygean glassses and Auhur hair and my Drift look in fine af

[tight pagoda]

Screenshot 👀?

[night grail]

Mine look good i think

[urban sky]

hold on

[night grail]

Got them airpods in

[tight pagoda]

Only pic I think I had of my male drifter, in his Orokin phase

[urban sky]

yup, they are from Nigtwave but they are a little big

[night grail]

The pixels 😭

[night grail]

I thought about using them with a chymerist look

[urban sky]

But I do use the goth earrings

[tight pagoda]

In my pic? Looks high-quality on my end, unless you're referring to the bar at the top

[covert tree]

Here's my op and drifter

[urban sky]

Oh, you can't see it but he has Ink too, but his hair covers mostt of it

[tight pagoda]

oh, wait, I had this other image of male-drifter too

[urban sky]

How he looks without the glassses

I really want lip and nose rings tho

[night grail]

I wish drifter had somatics (i dont care if it doesnt make sense)

[tight pagoda]

This happens if you enter the Dormizone captura with Operator equipped

[night grail]

It used to idk if it still does

[livid glen]

We're showing Operator/Drifters?

[tight pagoda]

My Operator

[night grail]

This is how my drifter has evolved (the first one was SO bad)

The clipping and the face

Just made it unbearable for me

[urban sky]

We also need cheek inks too

not just weird ones

[tight pagoda]

My current Drifter

[covert tree]

My old operator looked oily and old drifter was boring

[night grail]

Back in the day I used the manduka suit

Then they ruined the hood 💔💔💔

[covert tree]

Wdym

[night grail]

They added physics to it

[covert tree]

Oh

[night grail]

It used to be a static collar

[covert tree]

Sad

[night grail]

This is what made me decide to nuke him and start anew

[peak cobalt]

drifter skin textures really give

[covert tree]

He looks like an a-hole

[night grail]

The visage ink does some good lifting on the current iteration

[covert tree]

Yeah

[night grail]

I do think the face is good without though

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter faces needed an upgrade before Operator imo

[zenith jacinth]

Nah

[cerulean kiln]

Should've just done both

[covert tree]

Yeah both shoulda been updated

[misty veldt]

The hair sometimes pulls the face together

Left is before right is after

Ill get a better picture of my operator and drifter later

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter-intended hair looks bad on operator

Extremely oversized

[misty veldt]

The aurther hair didnt fit him either. He just gets a big forehead i feel (I took these pictures i think 2 days ago)

Might be the angle I got him at tho

[livid glen]

Meh, I like both the Kaya and the Rusalka hair to be honest

[covert tree]

https://tenor.com/view/knuy-nuy-forehead-selfie-gif-15590321

He has that budabubaba hairline

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-logo-golden-arches-gif-14733897

[snow grove]

what is this chat for

[echo basalt]

bruh seriously?

[peak cobalt]

He has the vibe of one of those guys that turn into an infant when they shave...severe baby face 👼

[snow grove]

but what are you spoiling

your drifteras outfit?

[supple dagger]

i guess drifter is still a spoiler

[covert tree]

The games story quest locked mechanics etc

[zenith jacinth]

Face issue, not hair issue

[misty veldt]

Noted ill change his face later.

I feel like operator looks fine right?

[amber terrace]

How much of a cornball do I sound like when I call Velimir and Minerva and Neci, the Viral family?

[thin yew]

This

[open holly]

why cant the funny tracking sentient pistol use the 1999 pistol skins

[quick smelt]

[open holly]

why does the "Arthur's kinepage" decoration say "custom decals @ zevila"

[amber terrace]

Leftovers from 1999 ARG

[sinful thistle]

there were a series of messages on it as part of the arg for 1999's final devstream, that was the last clue. ZeViLa is the name of the manufacturer of Atomicycles.

https://www.warframe.com/1999/atomicycle

Also, a bit of a fun thing to point out - the manufacterers of Railjack components are Zetki, Vidar, and Lavan. Make of that what you will 😉

[open holly]

so its meaningless, got it, was part of some lore stuff but now its just a random interactable with nothing useful

[sinful thistle]

I mean if you want to be dismissive and annoying about it, sure. I thought it was interesting. Sorry to bother you, I guess.

[supple dagger]

LMG hehejajdjeisjdjsjs

THIS ISNT GENERAL

[open holly]

nah you didnt, sorry, I was just annoyed cause I thought there was more too it

[tight pagoda]

These were all the messages

[wise solstice]

It’s giving Void damage
(Because your hairline is in the void)
(Joke btw)

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

The world if the Orokin had one damn ounce of originality

[tight pagoda]

Tbf maybe Zevila split up and became competing manufacturers of Railjack parts

[balmy badger]

Now I feel dumb for not noticing that until it was pointed out to me.

[open holly]

nah they still one company fr its just each branch manufactures different core stats

[open holly]

wait so if the tenno that we first see harrow from was autistic and that was harrows whole thing... is the protoframe gonna be autistic or entirely unrelated to that bit of lore (cause way before the tenno)

[livid glen]

Unrelated

[zenith jacinth]

Unrelated

Also protos are after the base frame

[open holly]

pretty sure protos were before the base frame

as the base frame was made by the orokin, after albrecht made the prototypes in 1999

using ✨️ time travel ✨️

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht used samples of the strains for the base to make the protos

Like, that is explicitly stated by albrecht himself

[open holly]

yes

I know

but, time travel.

he did it in the past using stuff from the future

[zenith jacinth]

The protos can't exist without the base, thus the base came first

[open holly]

not necessarily true

[cerulean kiln]

There’s no bootstrap in 1999

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't matter if the protos are earlier

[zenith jacinth]

It is

[open holly]

thats just not how time works

regardless, limbo protoframe when

[cerulean kiln]

Ask DE

[rain otter]

Unrelated to rell but could be Autistic.

[open holly]

yeah thats what I was assuming due to just how we got harrow to begin with, but at the same time I asked anyway incase it was mentioned in a dev stream at some point

[zenith jacinth]

Time travel is inherently illogical

[open holly]

exactly

[tight pagoda]

Besides Flare/Temple, none of the ProtoFrames are the original Warframe.

And even then, Temple was still created by Ballas

Just never used

[cerulean kiln]

Just never built

[wicked iron]

I think it was explicitly stated that Temple wasn't, at least according to the inbox message from Flare.

[livid glen]

I think he meant created as in had the strain be designed

If never built

So it's not something made by Albrecht/Techrot whatever

[wise solstice]

Favorite lore section
Or great concept that could be better
(In Warframe)
?

A great concept is Duviri
Could’ve been done way better

[obtuse gyro]

only if you restrict yourself to thinking linearly

[wise solstice]

Bro got scrapped lol

[livid glen]

Not really a concept that could be done better I guess but I am sooo excited for more Orokin Architecture. I love the Lua tileset, and I wish the Void tileset was slightly more varied.

The Albrecht's Labs are amazing but they just lack the... grandeur, I guess. I would love a refresh similar to that for the orokin stuff.

[cerulean kiln]

Scrapped by Ballas picked up by Albrecht

[wise solstice]

Agreed

[wise solstice]

Uhm… Orokin Archives?

Lemme check that out

Okay seems cool so far

Lore101 explains Warframe pretty well

CorgettheMighty

[oak dove]

I feel like the upcoming proto frames will be weird to talk to, lol

[cerulean kiln]

Why?

[zenith jacinth]

Gonna be too busy staring?

[oak dove]

No, just hoping they won't get so odd

I know how priests and nuns can be in fiction sometimes, lol

Had odd experiences, so I'm just hoping the KIM chats aren't weird or their dialogue in general

[tight pagoda]

That'll probably be one small but important part of them

I doubt they'd have every single chat be talking about religion

[zenith jacinth]

[oak dove]

Nah, less of the religion stuff, but more of me just being wary and presumptuous

I think I've just had a lot of bad experiences with people's kinks and fetishes getting blasted everywhere, so I'm just kinda weirded out rn, lol

[tight pagoda]

It'll also be a fictional religion (based on real ones of course) so if we do get conversations it'll just be elaborating on the Dualism faith

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

[tight pagoda]

I have no clue how to respond to that other statement

[zenith jacinth]

Whst the hyuk

[oak dove]

It's okay, you don't have to respond. It's quite random so I get it

[cerulean kiln]

I remember hearing a person ask if the triad existing means the gods they believe in are real

[oak dove]

Might be interesting if so

[cerulean kiln]

It probably isn’t considering that’s not how religions work irl

[livid glen]

I mean, didn't Ballas basically confirm that the Sol and Lua Dualism thing died later on? I feel like if that religion was truth it would have stuck a bit more... firmly.

[cerulean kiln]

It may have died later on for some but doesn’t mean everyone stopped believing in it

[balmy storm]

Huh?? 😭

[balmy storm]

That is ridiculous what

[cerulean kiln]

It really misses the whole point of religions

[gilded sierra]

Ye know, its really not cuz 3 warframes believe in their religion that their god is real.

[balmy storm]

This feels like they asked the question not even knowing that dualism has specifically 2 gods-

[gilded sierra]

It might or might not be

[balmy storm]

We only know that 2 believe since we have zero info on the 3rd

[gilded sierra]

it wouldn't be a "religion" if it was a proven fact ye know?

[balmy storm]

Which I uh. Kinda doubt Sol and Lua (the gods) exist

[cerulean kiln]

Doesn’t Lettie believe in a different religion that’s basically the same thing

[balmy storm]

Having characters refer to Wally as a god while not fully understanding him feels like eternalism being brought up during the new war