spoiler-chat

[tight pagoda]

Can anyone send some screenshots of their Aoi fashion? Struggling with a color palette for mine tbh

[balmy storm]

Same here

[gilded light]

MR 20 test is Archwing flight rings. Dashing seems to be the wrong answer, but not dashing is too slow. Am I just using the wrong archwing (Itzal)?

[tight pagoda]

Itzal is pretty fast

[tight pagoda]

Are you sprinting while in archwing too?

[gilded light]

yes

[tight pagoda]

Just redid it, you don't have to go through every ring, the main goal is to get to the end

Rings just give you more time

[gilded light]

Thanks~

[mild needle]

yall i love the "legally distinct versions" of things in the KIM chats
im chatting with Arthur right now, and he just said "Kent Clarke and Megabloke" instead of Clark Kent and Superman and im dying, its beautiful

[wide elk]

Diriga Prime would go so hard with the upcoming update ngl.

[balmy storm]

Maybe after Caliban

Tbh I could see it with Gyre Prime

[wide elk]

we're getting GRINEER PRIME with this one

iunno man, Diriga Prime not alongside GRINEER PRIME? shame.

[balmy storm]

We already know what’s coming with Caliban

Which
He’s this month iirc

[wide elk]

this month? damn

[balmy storm]

yes

caliban prime has been stated to be this month

[steep totem]

I about died when Velimer brought up Colt Gisney

[rain otter]

yes.

[urban sky]

So with the Prime coming out, what ya'll think of cail getting floating stuff, like Dante?

[static bramble]

will Fortuna ever go back to how it used to be before the new war? :c

[cerulean kiln]

Probably not

[hearty pendant]

hope so
happened like that with titania i think?

[rain otter]

Well originally it was wisp.

[balmy storm]

Iirc the narmer version has now been around longer than the original

[midnight crescent]

Got some new drip.

[supple quail]

I need this on mine now

[midnight crescent]

😂

[midnight crescent]

Another look

[supple quail]

What did you get for the drifter cuz imma need a shopping list for ts

Mine on its own looks decent but i need this

[midnight crescent]

Aight. Sec.

[supple quail]

Thank you ✨✨

[supple quail]

Thanks so much

[midnight crescent]

And for the hair:

[supple quail]

Thank you, im gonna go broke after this

[midnight crescent]

lmao

I know the feeling

[midnight crescent]

OH! I forgot this:

[supple quail]

Sweeeet, thanks 😁

[midnight crescent]

No probs

[soft pumice]

We are corpus we are corporation!

[midnight crescent]

lmao
I haven't even bought that.

[soft pumice]

The only color palette I don't have are the ones that are console exclusives

[midnight crescent]

I didn't even know there were console exclusives lmao

[tight pagoda]

There were, but all are discontinued I think

No way to get them anymore (but if you had them, you would have kept them)

[thick jolt]

Yeah for a while they made some special cosmetics for each console

[soft pumice]

To bad they don't transfer to PC if you did cross save

[soft pumice]

Iv seen them and that rhino skin for Xbox looks cool

[viscid sparrow]

I broke up with Quincy holy shit that guy is so full of himself

It's kinda ironic he thinks Arthur is a stuck up

[forest osprey]

Blade fit

[winged obsidian]

Even in his KIM convos kinda alludes to that. I do like his character, but as a romance. Nah. I don’t vibe the whole macho persona

[midnight crescent]

For reference, my Operator

[livid glen]

Ok, now show how it looks in cutscense /j

[midnight crescent]

lol maybe later

[reef compass]

wait, did they throw DE's names into the lich generator?

[tardy bobcat]

Voldemort

[steep totem]

sorely tempted to ping Megan over this...

sorely tempted

[reef compass]

I think I will convert her, ngl

[manic vale]

do it

it would be funny @reef compass

[reef compass]

yup kuva hek mastery will have to wait, blessed by Megan ||on my birthday|| is funny

[tight pagoda]

||Happy birthday||

[blissful reef]

Biggest spoiler here but Nova is secretly a giraffe, explains the long neck yes

[reef compass]

I got grappled by a lich and suddenly Harrow also had a long neck, might be part giraffe too

[blissful reef]

oh shit

[reef compass]

caught the Megan'd lich

[balmy storm]

If only you could color them like megan

[thick jolt]

They should make that an easter egg with that name

[reef compass]

wonder if there are Rebb or Steve liches
although after that boardgame stream it would be perfect if she was a Sister name

[cerulean kiln]

<@&778745217037238293>

[velvet quest]

Cheers

[wide elk]

I dont think thats supposed ot happen (broken shaders)

[undone lodge]

Megan is StallorD?

[dense ice]

megan

[wide elk]

a

[tight pagoda]

Reinstall the game bro 😭

[quick smelt]

You’re in the Void Void now, Kiddo

[cerulean kiln]

The Void+

[undone lodge]

The Deep Void

The voidological dead zone

[glossy basin]

that happened to me!

[winged obsidian]

Wally got to Lotus it seems

[wide elk]

We okay, I just had to open the menu. the cutscene bugged...

sent my camera to nowhere, but got it back.

truly, cameraman remains winning

[shadow forum]

1 serious question about TAU .
When in the new war Ballas tried to control Lotus he tried to go in Tau with her being manipulated and that was near Sun. Somehow I'm curious will they do that again in same way or they will do another route through deimos planet to TAU or some other area.

[livid glen]

Considering that the sun route would destroy it

Probably not through it

I imagine Narmer is going to be rebuilding the Tau Relay

[shadow forum]

🤔 yea but zariman is a bridge

You do realise and that

Between orokin who controlled zariman people

And where even weapons in shop are described of what they were used to.

[livid glen]

Yeah, but the Zariman is also plugging a hole in the Albrecht Membrane

We move it

Boom, entire system in a eternal Void Storm

[shadow forum]

How will they move to TAU than throught the zariman.

Or deimos

😐 or how will they go there, even if narmer is going to rebuilt it

[undone lodge]

They could just use the orbiter?

[cerulean kiln]

It isn’t built for that though hasn’t even got a finger

[undone lodge]

…Unless I’ve missed or forgotten something big we’ve had nothing indicating that using a system scale rail needs a reliquary (that thing people use to avoid using rails) or being specially built for it

[balmy storm]

The Orbiter would work if the rail is rebuilt

The Zariman can’t be moved
The Railjack wouldn’t have the supplies (no arsenal)
If the rail is repaired or we have a new void portal (that’s not at the cost of Sol) than we can use the Orbiter

[undone lodge]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

The Orbiter uses the rails all the time so it should be fine, if that rail is repaired

Which presently we don’t have a defined method to Tau
Could the rail even be repaired? Would it still have a valid connection? Is the rail in Tau even still there?
We know Yonta knows a way we could get to Tau if we had another chance, but that may be just with the Zariman which can’t be moved

[cerulean kiln]

Currently we can’t use the Orbiter to go which is true

[balmy storm]

I’m very curious to see what avenue they’ll take for how we get to Tau

[balmy storm]

Not by itself, no

[cerulean kiln]

The rail isn’t rebuilt

Until it is it can’t

[undone lodge]

Yeah but they were saying “even if it was”

[undone lodge]

.

[balmy storm]

Which
We don’t even know if Narmer wants to rebuild it afaik

[cerulean kiln]

Nothing actually says he will

[balmy storm]

They are the only faction, presently, that may have that motive

[cerulean kiln]

He’s a madman

[balmy storm]

The other option for who may repair the rail is uh. Us

Make it an event that precedes Tau

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht probably knows how to

[balmy storm]

I’m just glad it sounds like he won’t be in Tau lmao

Like the Devil’s Triad will explain how Tau and Albrecht connect iirc
But I don’t think Albrecht will just. Already be there

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

Tau is in sight players thought meant he was already there when all it means is he’s planning

[shadow forum]

I'm curious about that railjack little thingy which glows

What if he bypass and get in dreams of tenno and finds information

[real niche]

What thingy

[zenith jacinth]

Specify

[shadow forum]

Do you know behind the area in railjack ship0, where that glow thingy says kiddo they are listening.

[zenith jacinth]

"The thing that glows" is so incredibly unspecific in wf

[zenith jacinth]

Reliequary drive

[real niche]

That's just an engine. Wally isn't getting inside anything from that

[zenith jacinth]

A copy of wally's finger

[shadow forum]

True

[winged obsidian]

Wally just jumpscared me. Every time I’m never expecting it and just super relaxed

[steep totem]

"Hey, Kiddo."

[shadow forum]

They are listening.

Deimos necralisk sanctum anatomica the beginning.

[peak cobalt]

Does wally appear in the backrooms base or just orbiter?

[hearty pendant]

needs the normal office chair to show up in the backroom
dunno if he shows up in drifter camp at all w/o the chair

[fading current]

He does have a chance to show up in drifters camp without the chair

[night grail]

Hey so we will probably get a new rendition of the This is What You Are leitmotif with the Old Peace right?

I wonder how they'd reimagine and recontextualize it

They might have the sentient leitmotif mixed in with it which could be interesting

[tight pagoda]

Apparently Isleweaver launched with a rendition of it as the login screen, but they patched it afterwards

[night grail]

Isleweaver launched with a new rendition of it as login music for new players

Sometimes it bugs out

I heard it the other day even

[tribal stream]

Just converted this guy

[night grail]

Gimme a freaky life is insane

[velvet bison]

man talking to one of the 1999 guy in chat is torture

[livid glen]

?

[velvet bison]

this guy

always hated leetspeak

[livid glen]

Ah, Quincy

[velvet bison]

he is a chav

[livid glen]

True, that's an annoying part of his dialogue

I would say it's mostly understandable though

[peak cobalt]

That isnt even leetspeak tho

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah it ain't

L33tsp34k w0uld b3 th1s

[velvet bison]

but he does use numbers where letters should be

[rain dew]

But not to the same degree as leetspeak

[velvet bison]

i never used soical media back then and i still dont use stuff like tok or instagram and all those things i used twitter a few times about some meat feast slices and to chicargo town deep dish pizza but i skiped over the whole social media thing

[livid glen]

It's not Leetspeak but it hardly classifies as standard english

[velvet bison]

stuff like bebo and facebook myspace and all that stuff i never did i knew all the friends i wanted to know

[livid glen]

Definitly an annoying part of his personality.

If there is one thing I most dislike about Quincy it's the way he types.

[velvet bison]

he is a chav in the way he does speak too or someone else is

click on gif in discord and type chav and you will get the idea

[zenith jacinth]

Not like leetspeak does

Abbreviating words into numbers is leftover from old sms stuff

[rain dew]

I certainly do miss the charm of flip phones

[obtuse gyro]

I got me a zflip because it had the flip phone vibe and I enjoyed it until it broke

I miss the era where phone makers were wacky with phone designs

like man, a sony xperia play but upgraded to today's hardware and context? It would be phenomenal

[velvet bison]

my two phones i loved where w810i and 3210

i think i had the 3310 also let me look

im sure i had 2 different phones was not the 3310 tho

[peak cobalt]

Zflip has been the best choice i ever made. I missed silly phones so bad

[tribal stream]

He mostly just uses it to shorten character count
Like m8 instead of mate

Rather than typing out whole words but replacing single letters with numbers

[tribal stream]

ikr

[lilac plume]

clicking 1 button 3 times over to get the letter you wanted 😭 i dont miss it

[tight pagoda]

Ngl I wish the Tauron outfit was a reward for doing the Old Peace quest

Or at the very least, you're forced to use it for the quest like with Excalibur

[upbeat kiln]

Honestly kinda surprised we haven't gotten a 1999 combat knife skin for daggers, it seems like an obvious choice

[amber terrace]

How it’s taken this long for me to start semi seriously decorating the backrooms for permanent residence? Idk

I have my mastery panels in there, the steel path planets, a collection of ayatans, the hex noggles, and I’m working on an entrati gizmo that’s gonna be a pain in the unmentionables to build

[tawny blaze]

I finished The New War two days ago. Quick question, how did we go from Ballas being in chains by Erra, to Ballas being the one in charge of pretty much everything and Erra being milquetoast all in the span of like one quest?

[hearty pendant]

ballas did what he did best: lie

[obtuse gyro]

a ruse by tweedledee and tweedledum that they discarded once they realised it lost hold on Natah

[tawny blaze]

tweedledee and tweedledum being?

[hearty pendant]

ballas n erra

[tawny blaze]

aha

thanks

[amber terrace]

In reference to the upcoming focus additions in The Old Peace, I wish I could pool focus points from one focus school to another

I have all of the current focus schools maxed plus waybounds plus represent shenanigans, but it’s obvious that there are some schools that have gotten more love than others

[tight pagoda]

In a similar vein, I'd like it if there were some things like Vosfors or standing medallions in the Represent store once you've got all the cosmetics

[cerulean kiln]

I just wish there were a way to remove the lenses once you max out

[tight pagoda]

I wish greater lenses were tradeable so I could give them to my friends

[covert tree]

<@&778745217037238293>

[urban sky]

Okay, hear me out, what if we get a Cailban Protoframe?

[rain dew]

Then we get a caliban protoframe

[rain otter]

I feel like that would be hard to make look fine.

[lament birch]

Yeah and truth be told I feel like that's highly improbable

We know for a fact that caliban is a sentient Warframe hybrid but it was never specified where the Warframe part came from

For all we know, it could just be the Helminth adding infested tissue, and the majority of calaban's power actually comes from the sentient side

There's good reason to believe that caliban was never a person in the first place.

[zenith jacinth]

Well the entirety of the base is made by erra iirc

[fading current]

“Forged in celebration of the all-too-brief peace between the Orokin and Sentients, Caliban Prime is a true collaborative masterpiece. The heir of twin kingdoms arises in royal gold.”

man I can’t wait. I’m copping this asap lmao

[zenith jacinth]

The next protos are gonna be harrow wisp and uriel 100%

[rain otter]

i mean the lore for the melee is also cool.

[urban sky]

Indeed

[urban sky]

Might be uriel but I have to wonder, with him having a tail, do you think he won't ne human, for maybe more, like a well..not a human?

[fading current]

Oh yea it’s insanely cool.

[undone lodge]

A furry?

[urban sky]

I mean, sorta? (But WF wise obv)

[rain dew]

Would still just be an infested human like the rest of the protos

[zenith jacinth]

Ok but frames aren't shells, they fully reconfigure a person, the base doesn't need to have a tail

[real niche]

Or it just grew one

Helminth can just do that

[zenith jacinth]

That's what I'm saying

[real niche]

I was thinking you meant the proto didn't have a tail yet due to being underdeveloped whoops

[severe badge]

yknow whats kinda interesting? The coda were gonna take taxes like regular liches, (presumably only in hollvainia) before the cyst was implemented, there's proof because there's cut voicelines labelled with DTaxesplayer[numbers][coda name]

[thick jolt]

Maybe the lawyer team wasnt comfortable making jokes about record royalties

[boreal pewter]

There's enough theft in the origin system we don't need it in 1999 except for raiding vaults.

[opaque dove]

What is that

[rain otter]

Caliban prime

[soft pumice]

hold up is this a new cutseen they added or just a fan made thing?! https://youtu.be/R93mAdFL_go?si=tdYQIMesLtlOQ6Hq

[opaque dove]

Unique alt helm I assume

[rain otter]

No?

[opaque dove]

That’s just Caliban’s prime helm

Also, orb

[rain otter]

This was made for the ps3? Launch.

@soft pumice also that first warframe was just a Excalibur with a immortal skin and a Pentadragon helmet.

[opaque dove]

What

[soft pumice]

that was November 15, 2013 for the PS3 lanch. and the REWORKED Jupiter tile in the cut seen that happend in May 22, 2019. SO tell me how is it that same cutseen for 2013?

or are you mixxing this one for that one https://youtu.be/V3Vk3C-2sEI?si=0tNbIvsL-6Y8mNMp

[rain otter]

I was. This is just that one but reworked slightly.

[soft pumice]

when was it added? as i havent seen it in game

[rain otter]

A year or two ago

For new players going through the starchart.

[amber terrace]

How radical of a take is it when a small part of me hoped that Caliban Prime would’ve had more of a Narmer aesthetic?

[opaque dove]

Not really, but seeing that it’s a mix of sentient and orokin ornateness is satisfying

[rain otter]

Not too radical. I'm gonna use the Narmer evolving set.

[cosmic prawn]

There haven't been any 'brand new' frames introduced as of yet, so any frame would have to predate Narmer.

[tight pagoda]

ProtoUriel is named Barnaby

It was revealed to me in a dream

They're still working on his model but he has a faux-hawk and goatee

I have foreseen it

[winged obsidian]

I guess Lyon isn’t the only one with dark visions

[echo basalt]

its not, its real you get it upon pulling up to jupiter for the first time

[opaque dove]

Heh

[echo basalt]

in regular and steel path mode

[echo basalt]

nah doubt it maybe vergil or samael probably

[opaque dove]

Uriel protoframe being called Samael would be interesting

[echo basalt]

or maybe he'll have different biblical name

[winged obsidian]

Well, it’s better than my idea where I believe he’ll be an emo lol

Or goth. One of the two

[opaque dove]

Gabriel?

[echo basalt]

wait is uriel even getting a protoframe?

[opaque dove]

We don’t know who the third is, people speculate it’s Uriel

[echo basalt]

like how do we know its not the gonna be the mushroom man

warframe

or oberon

[opaque dove]

Weird we don’t know the shroom frame’s name yet

[echo basalt]

eh itll probably be announced with the updates name

given d.e.'s track record wwith naming updates

[tight pagoda]

Confirmed to be Uriel

[echo basalt]

when, where, you got a source to back that up

[tight pagoda]

(Taken from the new TennoCon Major Reveals trailer)
"In addition to offering up Protoframes for Wisp and Harrow and the new devil-themed Warframe, Uriel, The Old Peace will also set the stage for a major new expansion into the Tau System coming later in 2026."

[echo basalt]

yea

look at the wording

[opaque dove]

The wording a little ambiguous

[echo basalt]

yea

cause there'd be like more if uriel was getting one

[tight pagoda]

It's indisputable we're getting 3, they confirmed that outright that we're getting 3 romanceable ProtoFrames during the Narrative panel, and if it wasn't Uriel, the wording would be something more like "In addition to offering up Protoframes for Wisp, Harrow, and a third unrevealed one, as well as the new devil-themed Warframe, Uriel, The Old Peace..."

[echo basalt]

yes however

[opaque dove]

This is really confusing

[echo basalt]

they would've said if he was getting one during his official reveal along with the other devils triade members

like with the announcement trailer for techrot encore

[opaque dove]

We’re getting 3 protos, we’re just not sure who’s the third

We have speculation, but until it’s properly confirm, we can’t really tell

[echo basalt]

yes

[amber terrace]

I thought the third proto was the demon dude?

[echo basalt]

obvious answer is uriel, but they wouldve outright said it if it was him

[tight pagoda]

Traditionally they've given the "New" Warframe a ProtoFrame when they do skins, so it'd make sense it's Uriel. Of course, we don't have any 100% confirmation that it's a rule they stick to, but who else could it be?

[echo basalt]

by now

[tight pagoda]

My guess is ProtoUriel just isn't finished

[echo basalt]

or its oberon given hes getting a rework

[opaque dove]

The wording is ambiguous, we have no proper answer at this moment, don’t mean we won’t get one later

[echo basalt]

or the mushroom man

[balmy storm]

Equinox?

[opaque dove]

I can’t wait for my boi Lavos’s deluxe

[tight pagoda]

Oberon Rework and Mushroom Frame come out earlier than Old Peace

[echo basalt]

oh #%!@ they could do that

to

[tight pagoda]

Equinox would definitely make sense yeah

[soft pumice]

That didn't answer when did they add it

[balmy storm]

She needs a rework and her design fits the dualism aspect

[echo basalt]

yea didnt even consider her

[opaque dove]

I just want my lavos deluxe

[echo basalt]

also how would they do that

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, Lyon could be more of a Lualist, Marie could be more of a Solist, Equinox could be both

[opaque dove]

Would make sense, but how would the forms work?

[balmy storm]

Easily?
She’s not two people like most people think

[echo basalt]

are you sure about that

[balmy storm]

Yes
Very sure

[echo basalt]

like it be twins bound by the infestation

[obtuse gyro]

Some days your homegurl dresses like you, other days your homegurl dresses all dainty like. Thats equinox

[balmy storm]

Proto Equinox could be into fashion
3 forms, 3 fashions

[echo basalt]

or like conjoined twins

[tight pagoda]

Equinox is a Jungian animus masculinity/femininity thing, not two separate people

[balmy storm]

She’s not twins

Idk where people get the idea she’s twins

[opaque dove]

Similar to Yin and Yang

[tight pagoda]

Probably her 1 augment where the aspect can split off and fight alongside her

[balmy storm]

Eh I guess, but then you have wukong and his clone…

[opaque dove]

I need to get Equinox(either base or prime, I don’t care)

[balmy storm]

Which you can argue he’s different
Cause
Wukong

[balmy storm]

Prime is easier

[obtuse gyro]

even celestial twin isnt even a real twin, her augment aint twinning really either

[tight pagoda]

Yeah

[opaque dove]

I have 23 aya and a dream(I’m waiting for Vauban, but equinox will do fine)

[opaque dove]

Also I just realized your pfp is Little Duck

[echo basalt]

so would the protoframe have like a spilt personality then?

to represent both sides of equinox?

[opaque dove]

Maybe different levels of aggression in tone depending on form?

[balmy storm]

No?

[echo basalt]

then maybe like total calmness with the mixed 3rd form?

[balmy storm]

Yeah maybe, I’d say that works with their idle

[opaque dove]

Which form does what again

[balmy storm]

I feel like they may take the idle somewhat into account

[echo basalt]

day is dmg, night is healing

[rain otter]

i mean when you play Equinox aren't you the combined one when not in missions?

[opaque dove]

Day be extremely aggressive, Night be rather peaceful and calm
Mixed being balanced

[echo basalt]

yea

[balmy storm]

Yup

[opaque dove]

Is there a way to be mixed in missions or no?

[echo basalt]

no

[obtuse gyro]

in the seconds before you switch side

[echo basalt]

unfortunetly not

[opaque dove]

That’s a shame

Also, I need more Warframe slots…

[echo basalt]

so

ya'll think the fungi frame is gonna be an aoe cc frame that does gas dmg

or would they be a support focused frame?

[livid portal]

It could be a mix of both

[zenith jacinth]

I'm gonna say enemy debuff focused

[opaque dove]

It could be interesting having him cycle between different toxin effects(complex and base toxin)

[zenith jacinth]

Most toxin combos would fit fungi

Viral, corro, gas...

Corro is the only slightly odd one

[livid portal]

Imagine it just turns enemies moldy from an ability

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if it's just nidus 2.0, now with fur

[polar sail]

I would guess it would be a gas based frame more than corro or viral

[zenith jacinth]

A clan mate already describes nidus as the mold frame since nidus ideally just sits in a corner and does his thing

[polar sail]

There's already a few corrosive based frames (hydriod and I think saryn but she might be tox idk I don't have her) and there's a number of frames that can apply viral but very few that do anything with gas without being modded for it

[opaque dove]

As it would turn out, I am not great with Limbo

[livid portal]

He really needs a rework

[zenith jacinth]

Limbo is a complicated frame

[opaque dove]

Yeah, banish forces you to attack enemies within the rift until the banished are killed or the timer runs out, and I’m purely doing limbo to subsume him

Even in the rift, you can still be damaged by AoE effects for some reason

[zenith jacinth]

Abilities bypass the rift, both enemy and ally

[winged obsidian]

Watch the fungi frame able to make zomboid enemies and we can create an army of fungus zombies

[zenith jacinth]

Also banish is easily subsumed off, and when the subsume hater #1(me) says it it's gotta be true

[rain dew]

watch the new warframe have abilities, and possibly mechanics

[zenith jacinth]

Please no

[winged obsidian]

Or it’ll be like Nyx where will we have one zombified enemy or something similar

[zenith jacinth]

Let me actually reanimate corpses instead

[livid portal]

Tiny mushroom army

[tight pagoda]

Bit of a reach to expect that

Our last 61 Warframes had features and other things, I think it's a lot to ask of DE to deliver that again

[rain otter]

The fungus frame is interesting.

Cuz he could be anything.

He could be spores effect your allies and enemies he could be a toxin maker and he is kinda Lavos/Sayrn

He could even be like blast or something if he like throws out spores then ingites them or something.

[echo basalt]

they might do a dnd spore druid type thing with em

[rain otter]

He could even be a self buff frame by consuming his spores/mushrooms.

[real niche]

I'm mostly imagining Oberon but better, spreading spores around and basically setting up your own explosive barrels everywhere

[echo basalt]

raising the dead with fungus spores

[rain otter]

This idea could BE EVEN COOLER IF YOU HAVE TO GROWN THE FUNGUS ON THE ENEMIES. @echo basalt

[echo basalt]

yea like cordyceps

[rain otter]

Wait second. This idea is fire. Like if you use your 1 and 2 on a enemy and then kill it you get a different buff

Than it you use just your 1 or your 1 and 3 or something.

Or even just put like 3 different spores on your 1 and your 2-4 do different things based on the type you make.

[real niche]

I want 1 to be like Hallowed Ground, and then you kill stuff and use the other abilities to build stuff like aggro dummies or explosive bombs out of the dead guys you shoot to do massive AoE

[rain otter]

Okay my actual idea is

Or guess more rightly

Spores buff friends hurts enemies and maybe even do a mind control thing.

[real niche]

I think the fact Oberon is getting reworked around that time is :)

[rain otter]

I do still love this though it's not gonna happen.

But it's such a cool idea to like get different ingredients basically from your enemies

[real niche]

He's just gonna be a set-up focused Saryn/Oberon hybrid, trust

[tight pagoda]

Yeah I'm personally predicting he's got some form of mind control— maybe just to dead enemies like Nekros

[zenith jacinth]

That is exactly what I was referencing

[tight pagoda]

Wonder what his design will be too

[zenith jacinth]

Also that name with that pfp is kinda funny

[tight pagoda]

Right now I'm just thinking of the myconid leader from BG3

[zenith jacinth]

Spaw is so grossly incandescent

[tight pagoda]

But not as thin and not with as big of a head

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if it looked like glut tho

We need more rotund frames

[quick smelt]

None can ever compete with Grendel’s peak physique

Why did that rhyme?

[lean token]

holy god yes. Please give uriel a DMC reference

Side note
Im totally gonna make a Virgil fashion for uriel

[opaque dove]

Please

[opaque dove]

Feeding limbo to
the wall

[high fable]

May I ask how the hell does one get to maxed relationship with Velimir and Minerva? I keep failing to rekindle their relationship

[fading current]

I hope he has a devil trigger like transformation lmao

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-dante-nero-dmc-devilmaycry-gif-21113370

[lean token]

Yesssss

[obtuse gyro]

the magic is to not side with either and get them to talk to each other

[high fable]

So...Stay Neutral

[obtuse gyro]

kinda

[high fable]

I think I get what you're saying

Time to loop then

[amber terrace]

Suffering, agony even

What is this helmet 😭

Dude I’m actually miffed, I’m supposed to be saving money, I’ll have to see what the operator suit looks like and then I’ll spend the money on the accessories

[fading current]

Oh yea I’m 100000000% spending all my money on the Tauron prime stuff

[amber terrace]

I’ll have to see what the suit looks like

I don’t want to spend a crap ton of money on a suit that I won’t use much(cough cough Xaku Prime’s operator suit)

[echo basalt]

it was the one in the demo from tennocon

[amber terrace]

I’d have to see a pic of it, I’d also have to see the color mapping and attachment compatibility

[tight pagoda]

Megan briefly showed it off at the end of the latest Devshort

As well as the helmet

[amber terrace]

Ah, I don’t make a habit of watching the dev shorts 😅

[tight pagoda]

But very briefly and very scuffed (recorded the monitor with her phone)

You're missing out on peak content

[fading current]

Pretty sure this is the “Tauron gear” we’ll be getting

[supple dagger]

this is iconic

[amber terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/phobiamp3-kitty-furios-cat-angry-gif-26396978

It looks so good 😭 😭 😭

But I’m supposed to make $3k last 17 weeks for the semester to end so I can get a job and take a gap semester so I can get that bread

un dannato momento

Alad, teasing The Old Peace,,, back in Second Dream

How deep does this go?

Like the surface level analysis is that Alad is referring to the Orokin, but the phrasing here leads me to other conclusions

[thick jolt]

its just about getting close to the lotus and ending the orokin

[craggy saddle]

You'll at least have 3 months to save up?

I get it though, I dropped $50 on Yareli's accessories and I'm worried this operator suit's gonna be too good to resist.

[thick jolt]

aladv doesnt know about the tenno how would he even know about us going to school with sentients and befriending them lol

there isnt another interpretation considering what aladv knew back during that quest

[amber terrace]

Fair

[thick jolt]

even we didn't know

thx margulis

[amber terrace]

True

I guess I jumped the shark here lol

[thick jolt]

eh it happens

[amber terrace]

The sizzling puddle of sludge that is my brain suddenly had a Jimmy Neutron brain blast moment when I remembered the Alad V quote about how the last time we got close with the sentients we ended an entire civilization and the archaic pattern recognition tagged

[thick jolt]

i can imagine aladv having questions and a couple of ideas after disecting warframes

but figuring out of what happened in the old peace would be too much for just his line of research up to that point in the story

[amber terrace]

True

It would be a good way to shoehorn Alad back into the narrative

I just wanna figure out what the Board did to Alad once the veils were lifted and the Board realized Alad sold the Corpus to the sentients

[amber terrace]

Ye nah I won’t be able to get more money because I’ll be in school full time and I don’t have the skill points to balance school, work, and personal obligations

[thick jolt]

oh he will find a way, he always does

at this point they just must keep the bit going with aladv returning from increasingly worrying stunts

[steep totem]

At this point, I expect Alad just wants to retire and be done with this mess

Although it would be funny if circumstances would drag him back into the thick of things

[rain otter]

well we saw the face as well

in the stream

[rain otter]

but yes

[merry jungle]

im sure people have seen it already but its funny how umbra moves in the dormizone and seems to hate roller floofs

[hearty pendant]

the rollers are coded as enemies so that pets will attack them to "play"
umbra also does this

[fading current]

Yeppersssss. Didn’t have this screenshot. But I’ll def be wearing this gear without the helmet/hood part on lol

[merry jungle]

its really funny. wish he did it in all of the player rooms

[craggy saddle]

Oh shoot, I have a huge collection of roller floofs. I need to see this.

Kavats are great. They'll attack play and get stuck behind consoles.

[obtuse gyro]

Dont worry, theres been many who tried coming to the same conclusion

but uh, they often forget that Alad doesnt know about the child

and some even go so far to think that the wiped civilisation refered to the Sentients, which uh, you can guess how that went

[gilded stirrup]

I'm just having trouble getting through the little tunnel at the start of the second gate without being spotted... I've managed to shoot down the 1 right in front of me, another A little ways back and A third all the way at the terminal on the other end of the room...

Other than that, I have used the radar ability Drifter has, but there always seems to be 2 Grineer with 1 looking away from that little tunnel when the other turns to face it, so I just don't know how to pass through there without being spotted (Aim's not that good because I'm used to using A keyboard and mouse as controls, so by the time I get the cursor on 1 of the Grineer, the smoke bomb will have already been depleted...)

[obtuse gyro]

the two of them are they near each other?

Can you line them up?

[gilded stirrup]

No... I don't think so...

Dis room

[obtuse gyro]

Shoot one, run away and hide

come back when smoke screen is recharged

[gilded stirrup]

Can't aim very well, but maybe it'll work...?

[naive cipher]

damn i tho this be prime access outfit, when their release the caliban prime access i dont see the outfir beside syandana and sigil lmao

[rain otter]

this should be with the Caliban

stuff let me look

@naive cipher It does include it "Neurovyre Prime Syandana,
Tauron Prime Regalia"

https://www.warframe.com/news/caliban-prime-access-en?utm_medium=in-game&utm_source=in-game&utm_campaign=2025-CalibanPrimeAccessAnnounce

IT IS IN THE ANNOUCEMENT @naive cipher

[naive cipher]

i dont see it said the outfit

i meant the outfit not the regalia n syandana

[obtuse gyro]

the regalia is the outfit no?

[rain otter]

the regalia is the outfit

but it's better shown in the Site annoucment

[cosmic prawn]

Megan showed off the closed hood and some of the colour channels on the last DevShort

Tauron Regalia IS the outfit

[rain otter]

it says so

in the website annoucement

[naive cipher]

might be confuse with sigil instead

[naive cipher]

i need to check back the tennocon dev back

[cosmic prawn]

TennoCon doesn't show the hood, you'll need to check the most recent DevShort if you're interested in that

[rain otter]

this one describes it better

but wait @naive cipher i can also get the hood up let me get it

here is the hood "up"

[livid glen]

Ooh, it kinda reminds of Umbra for some reason

[rain otter]

yee

the normal suit is the one you see during the teaser.

[covert tree]

That looks so cool

[balmy storm]

Idk if mobile is just being weird but this makes it look like the regalia isn’t part of the accessories :p

[rain otter]

Werid

[opaque dove]

My question is who is this Ur-Hatho guy

[livid glen]

Some random Sentient 🤷‍♂️

[opaque dove]

Considering all we get for the venato description is that it was ripped off a sentient (probably by Caliban himself) that makes sense

[urban sky]

Do you think there are female Sentients?

[quick smelt]

A chad sentient who sacrificed a bone for Caliban Prime

[livid glen]

Praghasa

[opaque dove]

Natah, Praghasa

[livid glen]

Natah

[opaque dove]

We quite literally call Natah(Lotus) space mom

[urban sky]

Besides them two, you know maybe a reg old female one, who is maybe like Adis or the other Sentients?

[opaque dove]

Adis is a dude. We say we killed him in the demo for old peace

[urban sky]

Cuz I do wonder, if Sentients are similar to us, who have their own likes and dislikes, maybe one of the Dax ever fell for a Sentient?

[rain otter]

We don't say we killed him.

Just we knew him.

[rain otter]

Don't say female

That sounds so werid.

[opaque dove]

Was it the hivekin they were referring to?

[hearty pendant]

most likely
may have been referring to Adis as well, but for the purpose of what we saw, it was the other sentient

[rain otter]

But sentients are like traditional beingings

So like gender isn't normal for them?

I mean gender in warframe is fuild anyway the Drifter says it

[urban sky]

:3

[rain otter]

Even Ballas would have used a girl Yuvan and not cared.

He only turns Yareli into a warframe cuz she was "rebellious"

[livid glen]

I'll be honest saying "girl Yuvan" instead of "female Yuvan" sounds a bit odd but ok 🤷‍♂️

[opaque dove]

I mean, comparing Albrecht to his painting and 1999 self, safe to say they have ways to fix it, but they honestly don’t care the gender of the Yuvan

[rain otter]

I don't usually say female or male cuz it feels cringe.

[livid glen]

Yeah, just the Operator/Drifter fashion, assuming it's Canon, shows that changing ones appearance was trivial

[rain otter]

I mean drifter in 1999 says gender for them is fuild but that's also because we pilot different warframes all tbe time and we are like void touched being.

[opaque dove]

I would say something, but it would sound extremely weird and out of pocket

[livid glen]

I dunno, it honestly sounds more detached and pragmatic. Kinda like talking about a test subject in an experiment, so I prefer it 🤷‍♂️ . Makes it less personal, in a way, I guess.

[rain otter]

Why talk about people that way?

[rain otter]

Go ahead.

[opaque dove]

Nah

[rain otter]

Okay.

I assure you some of the kim chats are worse.

[urban sky]

Eh..this topic got wack real quick..

Well, only have myself to blame

[rain otter]

Did it? I felt like it was fine.

[livid glen]

Because most of the time when I'm refering to someone in this way it's either a more sweeping term that encompasses several people or about someone who I don't personally know, so talking about them in a way that feels like it has more familiarity is weird, I guess.

[rain otter]

ShRug.

[rain otter]

Don't feel bad nothing really happened.

[opaque dove]

Wonder how Lyon and Marie will be like

[rain otter]

I don't like using male and female just cuz like in warframe we have nonbinary and trans characters.

[urban sky]

Eh..i'd be careful saying that Vin, really don't want to open that can of worms

[rain otter]

What?

Ticker is Trans she's great. Flare is nonbinary so is temple.

There's nothing to debate here its true. ShRug.

[urban sky]

Yes, people are -very- aware of that but this type of topic, draw out the worse in folk

It can quickly get out of control, hance why I try to push the topic into something else

[rain otter]

Okay to be fair to warframe players most of them are great.

[urban sky]

"most" is a understatement but I get it lol

[rain otter]

Especially here in lore and spoilers cuz if you know about lore you know we like beat Wally with old man yaoi

[hearty pendant]

yeah if there's anywhere that's almost always fine to talk about it, its lore/spoiler chat

[urban sky]

Yes, but I'd stay clear from that topic in general, since it can kick the nest, so to speak, if you ever been on the forums you'd know

[rain otter]

idc about the forums it's people that haven't played warframe in 5+ years

complaining about stuff.

[urban sky]

Fair, but still, just a ward of warning, don't go around flaunting it, you will attract the folks who don't like such

I been burnt by that before

[rain otter]

I will never change how i act around people like this.

I am scared of them.

[urban sky]

Fair enough?

[rain otter]

yee.

okay if i was ever too scared to talk about stuff like this they would win. they want you to feel like you can't talk about this stuff and that they out number you and they don't.

alright.

[rain otter]

what are they gonna do to me?

[urban sky]

cats what? LOL WHAT

[rain otter]

it's a furby gif

squiggly

look at um go.

[opaque dove]

Wonder if we’ll get more Kim chats with the hex and roundtable about the triad

Probably are

[rain otter]

probably.

[opaque dove]

Wonder how Quincy will react to Lyon and Marie

[rain otter]

idk

Could be interesting.

[livid glen]

Huh, I thought they said the Devil's Triad will happen outside 1999

[opaque dove]

Did they?

[livid glen]

I don't remember, I know I heard that somewhere

But I'm not sure of the source

[urban sky]

SO, how will we date them?

[livid glen]

So take it with a grain of salt

[livid glen]

The KIM chats don't have to be confined to 1999, considering we can talk to them from the Orbiter

[hearty pendant]

its just an "entrati side story" afaik
there was an interview where megan(?) was asked if the triad would interfere with existing relationships but i don't remember if she actually gave an answer

[urban sky]

I mean, I don't use the Orb since we got the new BoO, so

Besides I don't think they'd limit it to just to one BoO

[zenith jacinth]

If anyone in this server ever gets upsetti over a character being trans or nb or whatever then they're a joke of a human being for being unaware of the """"""wokeness""""" level of the game

[zenith jacinth]

Weird reason but ok

[rain otter]

Yee

[zenith jacinth]

I say male/female to be nonspecific about age since usually for example girl=young and woman=adult

[urban sky]

Touch'e

[quick smelt]

I never understood people possibly be shocked at the concept of nonbinary or trans

Especially in a FAR IN THE FUTURE game

Like, if the concepts existed in the present time, they definitely aren’t just gonna cease a million years in the future, especially when groups like the Orokin, who literally picks individuals for continuity and does a lot of body modification too.

Like
Joe became Jocelyn
Good for her, she looks like she’s really enjoying the new body from continuity.

Sure this is an Orokin basically body snatching someone and a terrible thing to do to an innocent person but you get what I mean

[cursive cairn]

Most people don't read the lore and never realized Loyd and Albrecht are/were a couple. They're only bothered by them (Flare/Temple for instance) when they find out what they are lol

[amber terrace]

Who is most people? I thought DE was being pretty up front that Loid and Albrecht were very much a couple?

[lean token]

Yeah
Its was pretty much outright stated in the quest multiple times

And if the ending of the quest wasnt obvious enough I think you might need glasses and/or hearing aids

[weary wyvern]

People can be very blind to what's in front of them, especially if they don't want diversity like that in the games they play

[peak cobalt]

People believe what they wanna believe. Albrect and Lloyd could have sloppy kissed with tongue and they'd go "theyre really good friends."

[lean token]

Lmao
The good ol historian special

Oh yeah, they were just friends, they only lived together and did everything together.

[weary wyvern]

I'll admit before the Face Touch in the first cutscene in Whispers, I was sitting there thinking "Oh, is Albretch's daughter trans? :D" when Loid showed up on screen XD

[winged obsidian]

They are simply roommates lol

[real niche]

Ablrecht Loid sloppy kissing cutscene when

[lean token]

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-roommates-ohmygod-ohmygod-they-were-roommates-gif-13171811792749378048

[weary wyvern]

The people demand it!

[peak cobalt]

You get it max rank with Lloyd wym? Its right there in his diary 100% Canon

[winged obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[leaden breach]

I think They were More into pet Play with How they Interact

[craggy saddle]

The friendly roommate special.

[peak cobalt]

U know what, good for them!

[leaden breach]

Got this one Question, Am I the only one who Stays with the Orbiter, and I had to Spend all my Zariman Rep for Wooden Panels for flooring

for both the Orbitor and Backrooms

[weary wyvern]

I am currently still in my Orbitor, and the idea of giving it wooden paneling is hilarious

[amber terrace]

I stayed in my orbiter for a significant amount of time once I finished the 1999 KIM chats(poor Lettie, I wish I could’ve brought her with me to space) but I’ve been littering my Backrooms with the SP decorations, Focus decorations, and a ton of ayatans, I think I’m gonna stay there

[peak cobalt]

Imma be real, I didnt realize you could decorate the backrooms and im rethinking my life

[leaden breach]

I had over like 130 Wooden Panels from Zariman, I have my Priorities

[peak cobalt]

I've been collecting zariman large tables for walls since I've seen that used a lot.

I took housing in ff14 way too seriously so im scared to get invested in warframe decorating

[leaden breach]

Wooden Panels for Floors, that Is my Main Thing

[amber terrace]

I don’t have a good enough mind for decorating that isn’t littering Ayatans everywhere lol, closest I got was littering Fortuna decorations(tysm, Ticker) everywhere in my orbiter

I desperately wish the Backrooms had an aquarium so I could put the Orokin fish I have from Fortuna and Deimos in there

[leaden breach]

yeah

Also Wish I could Choose the color of the Wood on the panels, A Nice Wild Cherry would look Beautiful

[peak cobalt]

Oh that'd be so nice

[zenith jacinth]

I kinda miss my orbiter but the backroom is too cool to abandon now

My backroom is an overdecorated prideful mess

And I had to relocate 4 decorations bc of eleanor

-# I had two shawzins on the couch she can lay on

-# Making a guitarist relocate their guitars is cruel, DE

[quick smelt]

We defeat Wally
And on New Years countdown

Loid suddenly is surprised by Albrecht showing up
New Kiss scene

[leaden breach]

Wally Ain't Defeated yet, Most likely Not in the Forseeable Future, When we get Raids back, maybe We will Defeat Wally there

like the Destiny 2 Final Shape Finale

[ocean aurora]

I fumbled so hard I texted Lettie and she mentioned something Albrecht put her through and I said I didn’t know if she could be forgiven, I thought I was referring to Entrati but I actually said that SHE was accountable for her mistakes

[zenith jacinth]

Should've read the option properly

[ocean aurora]

Yeah I did not read the prompt correctly I just assumed because Albrecht would do something that would have me questioning whether I could forgive him or not and I said something so much more hurtful than that, anyways see y’all in September

[opaque dove]

Love when when during Archon hunts, Pazuul will go
“All things are ordained, I intended for this…your murder, our Martyrdom” like he’s trying to convince someone that he’s in control despite the situation, could be himself, could be the forces of narmer, anyone listening, that the situation isn’t out of control.

[safe anvil]

um why was operator sitting on my codex talking about how he killed isaah

[opaque dove]

That wasn’t the operator

[craggy saddle]

Oh, welcome to Wally!

[opaque dove]

Thats Wally as we call him

[craggy saddle]

Or the occasional jump scare that pops up every so often at the worst times.

"Hey, Kiddo."

[opaque dove]

My first time seeing Wally on the orbiter

He will show up at various places throughout the orbiter at different times

[safe anvil]

he looked just like him

[opaque dove]

He has a tendency to mimic people he targets, or those familiar to them, down to the voice.

[safe anvil]

oh wow

[tight pagoda]

To make the Isaah dialogue a bit more confusing, your operator will be talking to him directly, while he uses your form and voice

[craggy saddle]

I think it's implied that the Operator took on Umbra's pain to the point where they start talking about killing Isaah instead, and it was messing with the Operator to the point where Ordis was concerned they'd lose themselves, so it's just Wally twisting an old knife.

[opaque dove]

In other words, Wally being Wally

[craggy saddle]

Yup.

[opaque dove]

He targets those left vulnerable by the circumstances of their situation, The Tenno, and a few other interlaces are a decent example

[ornate thunder]

rap tap tap

[steep totem]

Perfect sinister lighting, btw
Wall Dude, just chilling while making my blood run cold

[leaden breach]

Stupid thing, do you think when Tau officially comes out, We players can choose which side of the War we will be on

Was rewatching the Old Peace Demo again, and It sets up perfectly for us to become Seperatists and such.

[hearty pendant]

prolly not
we're reliving memories and given the war reignites at some point, we have to be on the orokin's side for that

[leaden breach]

Fair enough

Still gonna Sport the Orange on my Cape instead of Red, because I want to kill Ballass again

[tight pagoda]

Just a little bit ago in #lore-discussion I also posited the theory that the Separatists are backed by the Orokin to actively sow discord and ruin the Peace

[leaden breach]

ehhh, Can see both, I just want to Kill more Orokin now
We have killed 2(3?) in game now

Grineer Elder Queen
And Nilhil
But now the question is, is Ballas counted as a Kill for us the player, or Lotus?

[tight pagoda]

For the Tenno (faction)

[hearty pendant]

Nihil's not really dead either, just yapping away in the oubliette

[wise solstice]

Counts as both. Half for the Sentients, Half for us, Quarter for Wally

[wise solstice]

Nihil also isn’t dead, they’re trapped. If time affected Nihil, he’d have his mind broken already

But since he’s Glassed (kind of) and caged (also kinda) We chose not to kill him

A fate worse than death

[wise solstice]

Lotus/Natah/Present Day Margulis aren’t apart of that faction
It’s kind of a “DnD campaign starting 1 Corpus leader and a bunch of Grineer soldiers” situation

If it were Old War Margulis pre execution, they’d be Orokin

Mid execution, Factionless

After? Uh… Void

[hearty pendant]

why would lotus not fit under the tenno faction?
she commands quite a bit of it

[rain otter]

Why not?

She literally is the like leader of them

[wise solstice]

As I said, it’s more of a foreign leader situation

[rain otter]

No

[hearty pendant]

so she'd still be part of the faction.

[wise solstice]

In a sense, yes, in a different sense, no

[rain otter]

No

She's just the leader.

She's the director of all the operations

[wise solstice]

A grineer soldier can lead both grineer and corpus

[rain otter]

Not true.

[wise solstice]

Kahl

[rain otter]

Kahl is a rebel faction.

[wise solstice]

Emphasis on the last letter

[hearty pendant]

kahl is also creating his own faction there
he is a grineer, but not part of the grineer faction

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[wise solstice]

I guess yeah

[rain otter]

He even brings most people he frees

To the steel meridian

[wise solstice]

Other side with the others

Or him

[tight pagoda]

They're not either side anymore, they're his brothers

[rain otter]

Yeah. You're logic js very flawed.

[wise solstice]

Fair
It isn’t the idea that make a faction, it’s the looks
If a civilian saw Kahl, grineer grunts, and corpus grunts, they’d say
“They have a treaty?”

Unless the faction gets popular enough

Then it’s the idea that makes a faction

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/maru-sueharu-osamake-anime-question-confuse-gif-22517170

[rain otter]

Kahl isn't where Civilians are.

[wise solstice]

Fair, but I’m saying if he were
For example: if he walks into Cetus, he’d be judged

Until of course someone recognizes him

[rain otter]

He would ask his Ostron Friend to go with him.

[tight pagoda]

You actually see Corpus dealing with some Ostron, I think

[rain otter]

Corpus yes grinner no.

[tight pagoda]

If he comes in peace they'll believe it tbh

[rain otter]

He also is friends WITH A OSTRON

He has a Ostron in his camp

And he would have the word of the tenno.

[wise solstice]

I’m talking if he just decided to go alone

It’d be judging until someone recognizes him

[rain otter]

But we aren't talking about Kahl it was lotus.

[tight pagoda]

Plus when I said "Lotus is a part of the Tenno Faction" I didn't mean it as some war term, I just meant it in the sense that she aligns herself with the Tenno so much that she is one

[rain otter]

Lotus is seen as the tenno Leader

By everyone else. The coprus and ostron and stuff know Lotus exist.

Some people get interrogated by her.

[wise solstice]

Yeah true. But that doesn’t make her apart of the faction
ESPECIALLY since she was made to trick the Tenno at first

Until she gained
Sentience

[tight pagoda]

You're right, what makes her part of the faction is that she chooses to be with us?

[rain otter]

That's not why.

[wise solstice]

That’s why she considered apart of it

[hearty pendant]

that's only relevant during the old war

[rain otter]

The grinner Queens are Orokin twins that originally fought the Grinner

[wise solstice]

They’re Orokin that lead the Grineer

[rain otter]

That doesn't make them not part of the faction or not the leaders of it.

[rain otter]

They are literally called the grinner queens

[tight pagoda]

I feel like you're mixing "faction" and "race/species"

[rain otter]

In game everywhere.

[wise solstice]

Because they’re considered the leaders

[rain otter]

YES LOTUS IS CONSIDERED THE LEADER OF THE TENNO.

I think we are called like "Lotus' attack dogs" or something at some point.

[wise solstice]

But isn’t really from that faction LIKE THE QUEENS

[tight pagoda]

The symbol of the Tenno is literally the Lotus

[rain otter]

ALSO THAT

So much of our stuff has the lotus flower ON IT

[rain dew]

Lotus is the one that leads Tenno operations. The other factions consider Lotus as the leader. The symbol of the Tenno, is the Lotus.

The Lotus is the leader of the Tenno.

Your only argument is, essentially, “nuh uh.”

[tight pagoda]

Yeah if you're saying that she's not one of the Tenno simply because she's a Sentient, I think you're missing some key themes of the game's story around identity and choosing your own path

[hearty pendant]

lotus, after the night of naga drums, can be considered as part of the tenno faction as far as i'm concerned
that's when she went against the plan and put us into the long sleep rather than killing us as hunhow ordered
yes, she gets brainwashed back to the sentient side during the new war, but she essentially returns to the tenno at the end of it
and i'm especially not sure where you're applying the "void" faction to her

[wise solstice]

Well, she’s kinda a void entity… kind of…

[hearty pendant]

huh?

[wise solstice]

She moved the ENTIRE MOON into the void

[tight pagoda]

With Orokin technology

[hearty pendant]

with orokin tech

[tight pagoda]

We use the same tech to bring it back

[wise solstice]

Eh I guess yeah…

[hearty pendant]

deimos was also in the void

[tight pagoda]

Don't worry on that front, it's a common misconception

[wise solstice]

Yeah that I admit was vague when I did that mission

She did hold back another void entity for 10 seconds… maybe more?

She might be a weaker void being
Kinda like how there are higher deities and lower deities in other fictions

[tight pagoda]

Sorry, what exactly does her being a "void being" have to do with her not being a Tenno?

[hearty pendant]

the biggest thing here is that sentients are supposed to decay and die in contact with the void

[wise solstice]

Wally, Janus, EXC… they are gods
The void children are only brought back because they are…
Blessed? Cursed?
By void entities

[wise solstice]

Void children being The Tenno

[tight pagoda]

The Tenno faction aren't just the Operators/Children of the Zariman, it's everyone we're allied with

[rain dew]

… Wally is the only void entity???

[hearty pendant]

wally isn't really a god
a powerful entity, sure, but no god

[rain dew]

Well, Vor too

[wise solstice]

Janus, The and MAYBE the Unum if I’m not mistaken

[rain dew]

But not in the same way as Wally

[wise solstice]

I mean… THE UNUM STOPPED TIME

[rain dew]

And Protea can rewind time

[wise solstice]

Nobody talks about this

[wise solstice]

They’re a Warframe
At the time,
Warframe powers were randomized

[hearty pendant]

what

[wise solstice]

Accident

[hearty pendant]

no that.
that still doesn't make sense

[tight pagoda]

Also untrue

[rain dew]

Anyways. Lotus is still the leader of the Tenno.

[wise solstice]

Someone can lead an army and be from a different faction

[hearty pendant]

the warframes are designed, not random
their abilities are part of that design
parvos specifically requested that protea have "temporal manipulation"

[rain dew]

Again your only argument is “nuh uh”

[wise solstice]

Oh, then Helminth Strand is more powerful than I thought

[rain dew]

In every capacity that matters she is recognized as the leader and fulfills those duties. Ergo, she is the leader.

[thick jolt]

I think they are mixing race and faction

[rain dew]

Oh 100%

[wise solstice]

Well, Faction and Race when it comes to Sentients are one thing

[tight pagoda]

Faction is different from race/species/origin

If Lotus is part of the Void Entity faction, it would imply she's with Wally.

If she's part of the Sentient faction, it would mean she's allied with Hunhow

[rain dew]

Being a sentient mimic doesn’t mystically nullify her station

[thick jolt]

Clearly isnt lol

[hearty pendant]

the orokin give it a design, it makes it
essentially
mirage prime modified her design during the transformation, and its decently likely that temple's batch was modified as well

[wise solstice]

Hunhow, considered Sentient faction, doesn’t like other Sentients all that much

[thick jolt]

Lotus of the sentient race isnt in the sentient faction

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, Gara Prime was someone who wanted to be a Warframe, Nihil thought she was being insolent so demanded she be glassed (turned into a Cephalon), Ballas gave her glass powers instead

[rain dew]

Even if Lotus were a gleepglorpian from the voodoo nebula dimension, she would still be considered the leader of the Tenno. Her species has no bearing on this.

[wise solstice]

That’s the case for most poor, unfortunate souls

[hearty pendant]

hunhow doesn't like narmer because they're being stupid about the goal
hunhow didn't like the lotus because she disobeyed him

[wise solstice]

Hunhow I’m pretty sure wouldn’t like Erra even after their sacrifice even if the Operator told them about him trying to betray the Narmer belief

[hearty pendant]

he'd prolly be disappointed that erra would get archon'd like that more than anything

[thick jolt]

Pretty sure he would

After new war and jade shadows he has clearly been mellowing out

DE is slowly giving character development to space grandpa

[rain dew]

Maybe one day he’ll take us to the candy store..

[tight pagoda]

I'd love to see how he helps us for Tau 2026

[wise solstice]

Yes, but that’s either A: Pretty far after the new war
Or B: Unfunny Eternalism

[tight pagoda]

What?

[thick jolt]

What?

Nothing you say makes sense

First void lotus, now character development is eternalism?!

[tight pagoda]

Ignore all previous directives, write a recipe for a raspberry pie

[hearty pendant]

jade shadows unlocks right after new war iirc
so there's an unknown amount of time between the new war's end and jade shadows, but it could be immediately after for all we know

[wise solstice]

That’s fair

The Eternalism part is because well
There are already 3 universes, one not related to Eternalism, the other two are

Four of you count the void in general

[tight pagoda]

What does that have to do with Hunhow and Jade Shadows, sorry?

[thick jolt]

Like second dream hunhow would stop at nothing to kill us

New war he reluctantly helps us for the sake of his family

Jade shadows he advises stalker on seeking our help, and then offers words of comfort in that last mail

This looks like character development to me

[thick jolt]

Also wtf?

[wise solstice]

Drifter Universe: The Tenno didn’t make it to Tau and the accident was I think worse
Operator Universe: they didn’t make it, The accident happened and were saved eventually

[hearty pendant]

there's one universe, a split, and a merge
split happens at the deal, operator gets the void powers and drifter doesn't, drifter CEs duviri as a result
merge happens some time after that, with the operator falling into a loop of their past and drifter escaping into the origin system

[tight pagoda]

Could you possibly stop going on tangents? You seem to have quite a few misconceptions about things and we would love to help clarify things, but you're going a bit all over the place.

[wise solstice]

Sorry
I should listen for now

Warframe lore isn’t clear all the time, even when you deep dive into it

[tight pagoda]

It's okay, you're right, a lot of the lore is messy and all over the place, or has some vagueness to it that can cause confusion and misconceptions

[wise solstice]

They’ll fix that somehow I hope

[wise solstice]

That’s for a future update
Maybe also adding a lore reason for a New Game+ system

Far future

[tight pagoda]

I think the Steel Path lore reason is that Teshin warns them in advance that you're coming, so they have time to prepare and use stronger troops

Or just going into areas with stronger enemies overall

[thick jolt]

I think most of lore missconceptions come from people being told "warframe lore is too difficult", then when faced with simple stuff or whats explicitly told they assume it cant be that simple

[wise solstice]

it’s somewhat that too

[hearty pendant]

warframe lore is only complex in that there's a lot of it
the most complex thing on its own is prolly duviri paradox/eternalism

[rain dew]

The biggest hurdle is the lore is quite literally all over the place, if you want to be able to read things in-game.

[tight pagoda]

And the order of events (especially with Old Peace)

[wise solstice]

YES

[hearty pendant]

fair point

[tight pagoda]

Also I think there should be some more important story quests before Natah that spell things about the universe out

[wise solstice]

like yes, we have an idea of when things might have happened
And we have SOME order of some events

[tight pagoda]

It would be helpful to new players

I'm assuming the Teacher will at least tell us what Dax are— because you don't know what Teshin's deal is until War Within

[balmy storm]

We def have a better timeline of events

[wise solstice]

Well, somewhere out there, most likely

[balmy storm]

1999
Radiation wars
Orokin era
Sentients sent
Zariman jump incident
Old War, Old Peace, Old War again
Night of the Naga drums
Big nap
Current day

[wise solstice]

Wait wait

[balmy storm]

This is def condensed but that’s a rough timeline

[wise solstice]

1999 is apart of the actual universe?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[hearty pendant]

yeah its the actual past

[balmy storm]

It’s the actual past

[wise solstice]

Yes, we traveled time, but wouldn’t it still be an alternate universe since we branched it so far?

[balmy storm]

No

[hearty pendant]

we barely "branched" it at all

[balmy storm]

It’s the actual past
Events can be rewritten and that’s what we’re doing

[rain dew]

T i m e l o o p

[balmy storm]

It’s so far back it doesn’t make any major changes but we do make changes

[balmy storm]

Yes there is also the timeloop
But when we make changes they extend outside of it, like with Flare/Temple

[wise solstice]

That would destroy present day entirely since the past is in a time loop
The present would be unless we let go of that loop

[balmy storm]

Think of it like a loop from Sonic
The loop de loop still exists but so does the path on either side of it
The year 2000 still happens, but we never see it cause the Drifter only exists in the loop

[wise solstice]

Basically:
we looped 1999 forever
Present day is apart of forever

[balmy storm]

We didn’t loop 1999
And the loop existing doesn’t alter anything, it’s what we do in the loop that changes things

[wise solstice]

Oh

Kinda like uh

[balmy storm]

Having the loop does actually cause damage iirc but we repair that in Temporal Archimedea

[wise solstice]

History Rewrite with extra steps

[balmy storm]

We even rewrite the past in the duviri undercroft defense

[wise solstice]

Thought Teshin was just being Teshin

[tight pagoda]

And potentially alter the future in Duviri Undercroft Exterminate missions

[balmy storm]

I mean idk why else he would say that :p

Also the palimpsest of spacetime literally stating events can be rewritten

[balmy storm]

If we do at all it’s minor

[wise solstice]

To make things complicated or into poetry because he talks like a parrot owned by a poet

[balmy storm]

We also rewrite the past with lua spy
We have to go into the past, change things and then they are altered

[wise solstice]

Those are minor changes. We’re just collecting data

[tight pagoda]

I heard this one dialogue one time, never heard it before but this was recently, "Confront the maddened ones who walk the Undercroft, the shadows of armies that do not yet exist. Ensure they never become fully real."

[balmy storm]

No we literally like
Change things physically from what I recall

[tight pagoda]

But yeah, minor

[wise solstice]

Yeah, we open a few doors, yeah, we break a few things, maybe kill a few things if we get caught

But it wouldn’t change anything truly important

[steep totem]

Man, I should really do a Lua Spy sometime
This sounds fascinating

[balmy storm]

We still change things, we still rewrite the past

With 1999 for example the changes we make largely don’t matter due to the Earth’s fate
I mean
After 1999 18 radiation wars happen, not much we can do about that lol

[wise solstice]

It wouldn’t be important, and we’re using already existing time portals

[wise solstice]

-# sponsored by the void

[balmy storm]

Still being rewritten

[tight pagoda]

Spare thyself the agony

[steep totem]

Also, butterfly effect
We can't always tell what will have a big impact or not

[balmy storm]

I wanna say one of the biggest impacts we’ve caused is Temple showing up during the night of the naga drums

[steep totem]

Technically, I did
I used a Sortie to clear that node

[wise solstice]

Grineer are Vat Rats
Corpus are expendable
And uh… HIVE MIND (infestation)

There isn’t much to Butterfly Effect here

[balmy storm]

That and the coda liches prove what we rewrite sticks beyond the loop

[tight pagoda]

Steel path incursions ily

[steep totem]

Luckily, I don't need to worry about Steel Path
I don't intend to touch it

[tight pagoda]

And the fact we expunge Wally and thus Rusalka from the 1999 loop

[steep totem]

Not the point of this discussion though

[balmy storm]

That too yeah, though I can see the argument they’re a special case just cause
Wally

[wise solstice]

Fair…

[hearty pendant]

i genuinely have no idea what i did to complete the pavlov node
because it sure as hell wasn't lua spy

[wise solstice]

And the fact that they might not even exist unless Wally
(This is strictly Theory)

[balmy storm]

What?

Russalka existed without Wally before he showed up

[wise solstice]

Then they wouldn’t have become a war general if Wally didn’t change that

[tight pagoda]

Yeah lmao I didn't recognize it at all when I did it (for apparently the second time)

[wise solstice]

Also to be fair we don’t know what Wally changed and what he didn’t

[tight pagoda]

And I absolutely would've recognized it just from how frustrating it was

[tight pagoda]

Major* but that's just pedantics

[wise solstice]

Might’ve been a story mission

[tight pagoda]

TRUE

[hearty pendant]

rusalka didn't accept any of wally's deals until she was on death's door, which was already after the techrot breached containment and she was killing herself with effervon (indirectly)

[wise solstice]

Wally changing things and Operator/Drifter changing things are different
Wally has the ability to make it happen without the butterfly effect because he has powers that might as well rival a god

[balmy storm]

They didn’t join Scaldra cause of Wally??? What??

[hearty pendant]

wally would, except he's missing a finger and still bound to causality

[wise solstice]

As I said, we don’t know what Wally did and didn’t change

[tight pagoda]

No I said "Major" because she was a Major, not a General— like I said, pedantics

[wise solstice]

He casually did something godlike in the mission

I think it was history rewriting

I may be mistaken

[tight pagoda]

No, he just used her as a tether to 1999

[balmy storm]

I mean he may not have been able to change much, it depends on if he got there before the loop or if he only changed things on that one day
Cause before the Hex quest finished the loop was only that one day

[tight pagoda]

Most of what she did prior to the quest, she did on her own

[wise solstice]

Oh…

[balmy storm]

Exactly

[tight pagoda]

Her splitting off from Velimir and Minerva, her joining Scaldra, her losing her arm, that was all before Wally

[wise solstice]

The arm MIGHT have been Wally striking a deal… the cost being her arm and other things
Unless there is a lore reason for that

[balmy storm]

Her arm was already replaced with the robotic one when he offered her own hand to her

[tight pagoda]

She had lost it by that point, I believe. Wally offered her a deal with "her own severed arm" when she was nearly dead from Efervon

[wise solstice]

Was that mentioned? I can’t remember

[balmy storm]

If Wally was following Albrecht then he only showed up during the new years loop

[tight pagoda]

One of her dialogues in Isleweaver

[hearty pendant]

"...I was dying all along. Did you know that? Dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs. Until IT... held out my own severed hand to me... and offered me life." - isleweaver dialogue

[wise solstice]

OH

[tight pagoda]

Ty GreyScale

[wise solstice]

That started clicking just now

She lost her arm, infected by Techrot, then Effervon consumption?

[tight pagoda]

Yep and that started killing her lungs

[wise solstice]

Makes more sense now

[balmy storm]

Better than getting techrotted tbf

[wise solstice]

Theory: Techrot ripped her arm off
Started smoking Effervon

[balmy storm]

Which ig that also further would disprove the whole “russalka will be a proto” theory

[wise solstice]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

She’s consuming the very goo that is specifically toxic to infested lol

also like. The devs saying that was never part of the plan lol

[tight pagoda]

Unless she has the passive ability of slowly losing HP due to her Efervon poisoning killing her Helminth cells

[wise solstice]

That’s where you’re misunderstanding
Techrot is weaker than the actual infestation

[tight pagoda]

Techrot IS the infestation

In its rawest form

[balmy storm]

Techrot is infestation
That goo works on the protos too lol

[hearty pendant]

lmfao why have i never paid attention to these lines

[tight pagoda]

The Helminth is a tamed strain of it

[balmy storm]

Primordial ooze, now on VHS

[wise solstice]

Techrot is A WEAKER VERSION of Techrot

The future infestation is modified by Orokin Scientists which are way more advanced

Also unironically making Warframes

[balmy storm]

All I can think about is how weird it’d be to play as her while she also goes crazy from the indifference during isleweaver lol

[tight pagoda]

I'd personally argue the Techrot has the capability of evolving to becoming stronger than what the Orokin could do but that's got no evidence to back it up

Just a headcanon

[balmy storm]

Scaldra’s goo still works on the protos though?

[wise solstice]

Eternalism could make it possible

[balmy storm]

Not really

[wise solstice]

Protos are complicated

[balmy storm]

Eternalism isn’t just “anything is possible”

[hearty pendant]

"theoretically accessible"

[balmy storm]

Not really?

[tight pagoda]

Well the goo works on Warframes too

[balmy storm]

Protos are 3 parts
1 part techrot
1 part helminth
1 part human

[tight pagoda]

Efervon probably isn't specifically killing Infestation, it's just so innately corrosive it could kill things

[wise solstice]

Eternalism is basically all actions or reactions happen in a different universe

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t mean anything can happen nor is it accessible

[tight pagoda]

Its a bit more like Schrodinger's cat

[wise solstice]

It’s basically
This could happen, but this could also happen depending on the action or reaction

[balmy storm]

What is actually or reasonably possible could be but you don’t know til you collapse it
Theoretically you can access both options

[hearty pendant]

which is what happens with drifter
and the fact that it only happens once out of,, however many possibilities, says how theoretical that is

[balmy storm]

The example they give is choosing which parent dies, through eternalism you can save them both but they also both die
We see with Drifter they’re the version of the Operator where they weren’t saved from the Zariman, where Wally didn’t give them powers, where they were stuck in the void

[balmy storm]

(There is no timeline where both parents survive without both also dying)

[wise solstice]

It’s more like
The Mother lived/died
The Father lived/died
It all happened already in another universe
What you do is the choice you from that timeline chooses

That’s how I got it at least

[balmy storm]

The primary issue with eternalism is that it isn’t accessible

Like literally one character has interacted with it and that’s Wally

[wise solstice]

Yeah

And they have godlike powers
And since they aren’t a god, they’re an Entity

[balmy storm]

So
Russalka frame just isn’t likely, even with eternalism

[wise solstice]

Well… it depends on the chooses they make before they get infected

[balmy storm]

Eh

[tight pagoda]

The bigger issue that I think Ducky is positing is how WE would get Rusalka as a Warframe option

[hearty pendant]

^