spoiler-chat

[near cosmos]

And did it on accident

[winged obsidian]

Tbh I think Rell would be slightly more in control compared to most of the kids, but would still have difficulty just like the rest because of Void powers being foreign and potentially Wally. I mean, this guy figured out how to be immortal through his Warframe after he physically died, which is insane imo.

[balmy storm]

That “blinded” could be referring to her ignorance about Rell

[hearty pendant]

hadn't thought about that but yeah

[cosmic prawn]

Also, Paladino and the Red Veil are relying on lore they were told. None of them were there for it. Who knows how the story has drifted over time.

"The Tenno blinded Margulis" and "Rell was cast out" becomes "Rell blinded Margulis and was cast out" pretty easily

[gilded gazelle]

Its almost like the space version of folk lore

[fading turret]

Does Lotus always appear in her Radiant outfit in cutscenes post New War?

Like if I started Lotus Eaters, but she had the Natah appearance would she be the giant sentient hulk, or would she be... Lotus?

I know she'll have the Margulis, Lotus, and adjacent appearances, but what about Eidolon Lotus or Natah, or Amaga?

[hearty pendant]

Natah definitely shows in Lotus Eaters
its a little jank because the rigging is weird ig?
i'd imagine the others work fine

[fading turret]

Aye

I was wondering because of The Old Peace, that particular scene where everyone is in the pool

I know Lotus can shapeshift so maybe they'll use that to explain her not being a giant freakin sentient

But yeah

[hearty pendant]

yeah the way she's faced away from operator/camera could be awkward with the natah appearance

[fading turret]

I would not be upset if they made her default to the Lotus/Margulis appearance for cutscenes

If it would be easier for them

[cerulean kiln]

Nah they make that player choice

[runic flame]

I think it would be cool if they made lotus's name be linked with the different bodies like if it's one of the lotus bodies have it lotus vise versa with the margalus and natah bodies

[winged obsidian]

Honestly I would love to see Natah during that moment because it just sounds so funny lol

Someone should do Eidolon Lotus too. See how janky that’ll be

[simple python]

As janky as lotus eaters was?

[queen burrow]

I'm not sure if this is where i should put this but if i shouldn't let me know and ill remove it
So i did some thinking
||in Warframe Caliban is the next Warframe to get a prime
before him it was Yareli (currently newest prime)
guess what?
the release order of them matches it too
after Yareli was released Caliban came out
the order matches
so to my theory after Caliban prime, Kullvuro will be the 4th prime to release
but if I'm right the order will go Caliban, Styanax, Voruna, Citrine, then finally Kullervo||

[lament birch]

Wrong, you forgot gyre

[queen burrow]

sorry just trying to remember different warframes lol
gemmi a sec

ok so the order is
Caliban, Gyre, Styanax, Voruna, Citrine, then finally Kullervo
if I'm correct this time Kullervo is going to be the 5th next Warframe to get a prime

[lament birch]

Potentially

[livid glen]

After Caliban it's probably going to be Styanax

Then Gyre and Voruna

[lament birch]

But not guaranteed

[livid glen]

'Cause MMFF order

[lament birch]

Man I've got to wait so long for the wolf pack

That's like at least what, a year?

Considering primes usually come out in 3 month intervals

[livid glen]

It's basically a year, yeah.

[lament birch]

I've waited long enough, I can wait longer

[zenith jacinth]

That's not certain anymore

[ionic cloak]

seems like they doing F-M now
but might be just coincidence with the updates
but oh well

[livid glen]

True, which is why I said "most probably"

[zenith jacinth]

F M X M F

[livid glen]

Until the announcement for next prime after Caliban I'm going to assume exception for the last rotation

[zenith jacinth]

They changed the pattern so ppl don't say "xaku is [gender]"

[lament birch]

Oh damn it they're probably going to have to do the same for temple too

[cerulean kiln]

They'll just put it on n the X category yeah

MFX

[quick smelt]

They’ll probably switch around the pattern again when they make it to Temple

[lament birch]

It's going to be pretty funny

[zenith jacinth]

I still think they'll use xaku to get out of the pointless pattern

[edgy zodiac]

is it ever confirmed how long the new war time skip is? is it just like a couple of months or did it take longer for the entire system to fall?

[obtuse gyro]

not confirmed

[lament birch]

Yeah... When it comes to actual time frames, unless it's related to in game, Warframe never tells you about when things happen

[rain otter]

@livid glen @ionic cloak it's FM whatever they want repeat. So they can put Nonbinary or otherwise gender differen frames there.

[gilded gazelle]

How far things have come:

[quick smelt]

You started with Loki too?

[marble owl]

After the new war when else is railjack used?

[lament birch]

Railjack missions, and any kind of adversary

Both lich types, and sisters of parvos

As well as a quest related to Sevagoth

That's pretty much it as of right now.

[lime pebble]

hey guys
after completing the hex finale (2nd time), then stopping playing for a while, came back to the backroom, and there's Kalymos waiting for me
should I restart the quest again (3rd time) or is the car just chilling?

[marble owl]

Huh, so i could do more of the story missions
Although I really need to make my operator not look like a frog during cutscenes

[gilded gazelle]

Nah, I started playing the game 5 years ago, I just found this image funny

[quick smelt]

Oh
I joined at the period of weird time where Loki was a starter frame and then it went back to Volt I think

[lone axle]

reached legendary 2

but as you can see, i died at the end lol

[gilded gazelle]

I remember being told that loki used to be a starter

[lone axle]

loki used to be yea

[lime pebble]

any ideas guys?
3rd time's the charm or the cat be just chillin' there

[gilded gazelle]

if you did the hex finale you don't have to redo it

The car do be chillin

[lime pebble]

i see, thank you
i thought they added smth new, because like half a year ago he wasn't there, if i remember correctly

[gilded gazelle]

Nah he just sits there, forever now

[lament birch]

You know what's something that doesn't make sense to me?

[lime pebble]

*we can't even pet him 😭 *

[lament birch]

Why did they shorten rhino's build time, but didn't shorten the build time of Excalibur mag or volt

[gilded gazelle]

As they thought, people would farm for Rhino first as he technically the "first farm able frame"

But it would be nice that other frames got a shortened time too

[lament birch]

It just doesn't make sense to me that the frames who are literally the first ones you can pick in the game aren't also some of the easiest to build

[gilded gazelle]

Game wise, its just a way to keep new players engaged.
Lore wise, imagine the more research you do into something, it becomes easier to get? I imagine that with these frames, as they were the originals

Well technically speaking

We dont know what the first frame was lore wise

[lime pebble]

excalibur (?)

[gilded gazelle]

I wrote an entire paragraph and I totally misread the sentence XD

Oh wait no I didnt Im just being stupid.

[gilded gazelle]

Is he? I always said to myself, just because hes the first one you could get doesnt technically mean hes the first.

There could of been other frames out there lost to the void

[lament birch]

My money is still on Excalibur or nyx being the first

[obtuse gyro]

He'd be the first for Tenno-frames

no concrete idea for the first warframe of all time

[thick jolt]

Its about placement in the starchart

[lament birch]

If you want to be technical technical, the first Warframe of the idea we have now would be Temple lol

[lament birch]

I know, it still just feels stupid to me

[thick jolt]

Rhino is on venus for example, volt is in clans and excal.... was somewhere

[lament birch]

I'm fairly sure you get Excal pretty early

[thick jolt]

Mag is on phobos so maybe that one

Also its still something they are experimenting with

[gilded gazelle]

I could imagine, something in Tau may give us an idea to something like that.

[obtuse gyro]

Not sure if we'd get a chance at that, since by the Old Peace Tennoframes were the Orokin play

unless they make us sit in school and learn about the war so far

[gilded gazelle]

Maybe when we actually get to Tau in 2026? Idk but thats probably too much speculation

[obtuse gyro]

which given how well eternalism classes went... DE pls no

[hearty pendant]

-# despite how much the community needs it...

[gilded gazelle]

Yeah, me trying to learn what it meant, I think the drifters explanation was better lmao

[lament birch]

It's annoying too, because eternalism is pretty simple. it's multiverse possibility theory.

[gilded gazelle]

"You were me who got rescued from this shit, and I am the you who didnt"

[lime pebble]

Umbra quest might be a good confirmation that first frames may just be excaliburs, made from dex soldiers
but it's just a theory in my head

[obtuse gyro]

umbras quest is a poor confirmation of that lol

umbra exists in the time of tennoframes

[hearty pendant]

umbra would've been around the end of the old peace actually, huh

[obtuse gyro]

umbra was taunted by the idea of being a tennoframe

[hearty pendant]

assuming the vitruvian is part of the old war resuming ofc

[ionic cloak]

at any point between margulis death and naga drums

so yea, might be

[gilded gazelle]

Its not bad of a concept, DE were just piss poor at explaining it.

[lament birch]

Yeah even just having a little bit more dialogue from the game to explain what eternalism actually is would have been helpful

[lime pebble]

yeah adding timetravel definitely clarifies the lore :D

[obtuse gyro]

time travel has nothing to do with this

[lament birch]

Imagine clicking the answers and, after a correct one, The voice explains more about what eternalism is before going onto the next question

[obtuse gyro]

much further than margulis's death

the attack on lua happens after the old peace ends and we know umbra is turned into umbra because he found ballas giving the reservoirs cordinates to hunhow

[gilded gazelle]

I found it funny, cuz in that scene one of the students goes "my head hurts" and I just went "yeah me too"

[ionic cloak]

oh, is it ?
I thought umbra becomes a warframe bc he founds out ballas is trying to defect from the orokin
didn't know we had the specifics abt what he knew

[lament birch]

I should have known ballass was behind it

[obtuse gyro]

it was literally in the vitruvian where ballas was like "I give you the coordinates"

[hearty pendant]

umbra gets helminthed because of finding out about the vitruvian

[ionic cloak]

nono
Ik that part
I just thought umbra knew something else
not the vitruvian specifically

but wouldn't exist another clue to him to know ballas is defecting
so makes sense

[gilded gazelle]

I was about to ask "Why did Ballas give hunhow the coordinates?" Then I remembered, he hates us XD

[lament birch]

That and also he's a scheming and nasty piece of work

[gilded gazelle]

The New War really showed the extent of his madness, doing absolutely anything to have Pure power and control, over something that happened YEARS AGO.

Like godamm, lotus chose us over you, accept that you lost

[lament birch]

Yeah

This is on top of also realizing that he was also trying to force lotus into being something she wasn't

Regardless of if she initially did it to get close to the Orokin for espionage

[gilded gazelle]

His crush on Margilus really knew no bounds 😭

[lament birch]

Lol. I wouldn't say crush.

More like obsession.

[hearty pendant]

transcended death in the worst possible way

[gilded gazelle]

He really didn't know to realise how childish he was being, to a point even when the Lotus to the visage of Margilus, he started obsessing over her 😭

Like godamm, you aren't gonna get her back

[quick smelt]

Orokin for you

[gilded gazelle]

I get the orokin are nigh-immortal but that doesnt mean you have to follow the same person till the end of time

[ionic cloak]

orokin were imortal and they got impatient abt how long sentients were taking to get to Tau so they made the zariman
do u really think the orokin has any qualities ?

[gilded gazelle]

That is being very impatient despite being immortal lmao

[lament birch]

A lot of their impatience can be boiled down to entitlement to be honest

[gilded gazelle]

Since they already had the sol system, they wanted alot more

You already have one system, why not have 2? XD

[quick smelt]

They saw themselves as gods
It’s more of him thinking he deserves Margilus
That she “belongs” to him

His love was not what we see as actual love

[gilded gazelle]

Its more falsified, it was more of ownership.

Then when he couldnt have Margilus, he pursued the Lotus.

[quick smelt]

Bro ended the entire Orokin empire solely because “They killed what’s mine”.

And sought be the only “god” then

[gilded gazelle]

The Orokin Empire was in shambles, even when the Seven had been killed.

Hell, I believe their own ignorance killed their Empire.

[quick smelt]

It was bound to die at some point but Ballas played a heavy part in setting things up to do it quickly

[opaque dove]

Then proceeded to almost doom the entire system to freeze

[noble drift]

The Orokin "immortality" was entirely dependent on there being a steady supply of underclass for their continuity. If they were worried that the economic situation in Sol would collapse (mostly due to orokin greed, the 1% here are very 1%) they might have been quite worried that they might, gosh, actually die.

[gilded gazelle]

Im guessing the population of empire must have rained in the trillions before it collapsed

[quick smelt]

It was high enough they were destroying the resources of the solar system faster than they could fix it

To put in perspective
Titanium, a very common metal irl, is only possible to find in space in Warframe

Because they used it up that much

[opaque dove]

Considering the Grineer were effectively manufactured army, pre Granum corpus had to be huge, and the sheer size of the Zariman, I don’t doubt the orokin had billions if not more people under them

[gilded gazelle]

Thats actually insane to think about, and I thought we used more resources than we replenish (well we do, we use about 1.7 earth's a year but still)

[opaque dove]

Do we even know how many Dax served under the orokin

[quick smelt]

A lot tm

[gilded gazelle]

Possibly in the millions

I would of thought they were just the equivalent of royal guards if anything

[quick smelt]

Nah they were enough to be used in wars to put in perspective

[gilded gazelle]

Well, before the sentients and warframes were introduced.

[noble drift]

presumably orokin infighting and putting down rebellions.

[opaque dove]

Most old gen Warframes were probably Dax volunteers(though some taken against their will)

[noble drift]

I think the grineer at the time were clone labour and hadn't yet been militarized so the Dax would have been the primary military arm of the Orokin

[gilded gazelle]

Most likely, they were big enough tbat the only thing they had to fight against was themselves.

[opaque dove]

Vor does say we went sleep with Grineer slaves and woke to Grineer warriors, and buddy boy is probably ancient, so, it checks

[gilded gazelle]

Im guessing they sped up the research during the old war, as we seen them in the old peace quest.

[quick smelt]

Not like Dax could say no anyways

[opaque dove]

And these were Prime, Pre-rot Grineer. I think they’re taller than the Heavy Gunners

[quick smelt]

They can’t disobey their masters unless it’s like
Something Ballas did, which would betray the entire Orokin Empire, which I guess bypasses that rule because it’s to protect the other Orokin Masters

[noble drift]

yeah, the grineer millitary were the second(?) anti-sentient effort... we can't bash them with our tech and our dax, can we just outnumber them? No, no you can't.

[obtuse gyro]

vor would be evidently proven wrong since we were awake during the Old Peace

[opaque dove]

And certain items kept them from disobeying orokin
stares at the queen’s scepter

[opaque dove]

I’m sure they were still technically slaves to an extent.

[noble drift]

Sortof... slave warriors? Not like they were anywhere near in charge during old peace.

[gilded gazelle]

Shows how successful the cloning was, until it wasnt XD

[obtuse gyro]

they were very much soldier type grineer then

[opaque dove]

And I think the queens are biased to females.

[gilded gazelle]

Probably just cannon fodder to throw at the Dax Seperatists.

[quick smelt]

The cloning worked well
Until the Grineer had started to have to clone the clones

And clone those cloned clones
And clone those cloned cloned clones
And-

[gilded gazelle]

Now they look like, well like they are mow.

[noble drift]

the queens are straight up Orokin (though low class ones) who have had the indignity of having to inhabit rotting clone bodies... I'm sure they had their pick.

[opaque dove]

When you take replicated dna chains, things get messy when you keep replicating them

[opaque dove]

Only best of the best of the Grineer. And we know only highly notable Grineer get the chance to get Kuva as is evident with Liches

[gilded gazelle]

Probably better than what most of the slaves had to go through. Atleast they had a choice.

[lament birch]

I am both excited and terrified to see the grineer in their full non-degenerated Glory

[opaque dove]

They’ll be working with us. I think

[gilded gazelle]

Seems we will just be fighting against the Dax Seperatists in this quest.

[opaque dove]

I mean, at least they won’t be shooting at us

[lament birch]

Wait I just had a realization

[noble drift]

Oh I've got negative levels of sympathy for them, I'm mostly being snarky.

[lament birch]

We're probably going to get more Grineer slurs

Someone's going to be able to translate it

The fact that we might be able to hear more of the language makes me happy

[gilded gazelle]

I wonder if the Orokin Empire ever experimented with Kuva and the Pre-rot Grineer.

If so, they would be the most advanced liches.

They would definitely be alot stronger than what we see.

[gilded gazelle]

Wait, more? You saying we already have in game slurs for the grineer?

[lament birch]

I forget, but I'm pretty sure they do have expletive curses in the game

I might be wrong but I think I remember hearing something about it

[gilded gazelle]

If so that is very funny lmao

[lament birch]

At the very least I know they're pretty prone to hurl insults

Okay I checked

[opaque dove]

I mean, we get Tenno Skoom thrown at us occasionally

[lament birch]

There's at least one voice line of grineer calling you a "son of a can't say that"

[quick smelt]

Silence VOID LUGGER

[lament birch]

My bad

[opaque dove]

And Lodun saying he’ll “bash our [insert expletive] brains out”

[lament birch]

"Rhue, gar Tenno son-of-a-gutora!" - "Die, you Tenno son-of-a-bonk!"

[lament birch]

This is straight from the wiki

[opaque dove]

What even was daklo working on in that scene, wasn’t paying much attention to it

[gilded gazelle]

Caliban Prime.

[gilded gazelle]

Sounds like hes calling us a son of a b

[noble drift]

Kaya had a swear in one of her voice lines too, though they hotfixed it so that an ability soundeffect bleeps it out.

[opaque dove]

This isn’t playing for me for some reason

[opaque dove]

Checks out as he says “waste of orokin gold” and “Aberration”

[gilded gazelle]

They also revealed what Caliban Prime was gonna look like in one of the panels

[opaque dove]

I’ve seen the concept art.

[gilded gazelle]

That sentient sniper looks dope tho

[opaque dove]

I need this. Grant us this soon, DE

[lament birch]

Weird, hold on

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Grineer/Quotes#Alerted

[gilded gazelle]

We still have that fall update, forgot about that. I wonder what its gonna be about

[lament birch]

Modding quest, oberon, lavos skin and fun guy

[opaque dove]

Please have a cool syandana and a shotgun skin

[gilded gazelle]

Wonder how they gonna fit the shroom frame into the game.

[lament birch]

hopefully area control gas frame, but we dunno yet

maybe mind controlling spores? dunno

[gilded gazelle]

Saying like lore wise and how to obtain parts etc.

[ionic cloak]

we wait for the september devstream with hypeness

[gilded gazelle]

September too long

[opaque dove]

Have a spore ability that swaps between the toxin complex elements and pure toxin

[lament birch]

ah, yeah. Hopefully there is a pity system again

[gilded gazelle]

Hope so, I managed to get all Oraxias parts in 45 mins XD

[lament birch]

shes great too, my spooder aint even specialized and she does her job

[noble drift]

bought absolutely everything from the brat king during isleweaver op and still needed to spend some of the pity currency to get one of the weapon parts.

definitely one of their better adjustments to the drop system.

[lament birch]

i bought her pack because she seemed up my alley, i was very right

i love interesting movement mechanics

[gilded gazelle]

She's just a status Queen, pair with something like the Cedo or Sobek. She can destroy alot of things quickly

[lament birch]

I like the acceltra with primary blight lol

[gilded gazelle]

Oh thats very unique

[lament birch]

not the best, but any excuse to use it ill take

[gilded gazelle]

lmao

[lament birch]

zipping around in the vallis is great

is amazing for jade's node

decent crowd control, decent finisher setup with scuttlers

Love her

though i wonder how the new frame will be. They seem like they miiight play similarly

[wicked iron]

Okay, hear me out.

WHAT IF ON-LYNE... COMES TO THE MALL?!?! 😮 I would love that lol

I want to be able to meet and talk to them, dang it. XD

[rain otter]

That would be cool.

[quick smelt]

Aoi would go insane though

[wicked iron]

[lunar tendon]

Yo I just hit best friends on the entire hex at the same time

now I can finally date who I want but Im tempted to wait another 4 weeks so I can see the kalymos hug

[wicked iron]

I really hope we can one day really restore planets and places in Warframe. The TennoLive trailer really made me want to have restored Grineer, Plains, Fortuna, and just a general improvement to the system. I want to feel like we're making some progress towards improving things. 😮 Refreshing so many tilesets and such would be a huge undertaking, though, so I get why, if they can't do it. It would be cool if some OG ones like Valdur are in cryo somewhere that we can save, though. Would love that.

[lunar tendon]

bruhhh Im best friends and still getting rejected what the hell

[wicked iron]

_< You may have rejected them or skipped the starting flirt options with them.

[lunar tendon]

yeah I dont think they ever gave me the option lmao

[wicked iron]

It's easy to miss, or mess up, stuff for some of them. Others are more direct lol

[lunar tendon]

I better not have to reset to get it again

[lone axle]

yeah you need to start before hitting best friends a lot of the time haha

also 1999's characters are pretty complex lol

[wicked iron]

You might need to if they are all rejecting you. Or you can wait for the new ones to romance one of them.

[lunar tendon]

I mean Ive only tried one

also couldnt date bc I needed rank 5 so damn

maybe I really am gonna get that kalymos hug afterall, damn

[wicked iron]

Also would love to see a repaired and restored, uncracked, Moon! 😄

[lunar tendon]

crap just looked it up and yeah seems like I somehow missed a bunch of triggers in the close category

thats what I get for getting as much chemistry as I could I guess

[wicked iron]

Don't worry. 2 new Protos are on the way!

[opaque dove]

Know who else would? Aoi

[opaque dove]

I thought it was 3? You know, Devil’s triad and such?

[wicked iron]

Ah yeah, 3. Only 2 that we have seen so far lol

[opaque dove]

Lyon is a definite buy when they finally drop

[wicked iron]

I'm getting them all.

I still hope #3 will be Loki, as likely as it is that it will be Uriel. q_q

[opaque dove]

I do have wisp, not my tempo

[wicked iron]

I just want every Proto, every Deluxe, every Heirloom lol

[opaque dove]

Also Lavos is getting his deluxe when the fall update hits

Can’t wait for that

[wicked iron]

For sure! It looks awesome. 😄

[thick jolt]

I just might have to get some plat for it, love lavos

[lament birch]

<@&778745217037238293>

[neat oar]

They sent to every chat

[gilded gazelle]

Loki Fans do dream about a loki Proto 😭

Wait till you lot get an new heirloom

But im guessing since Obereon is getting a new rework, most likely hes the next heirloom.

[lament birch]

Nah, vauban

Been talked about already

[gilded gazelle]

Is that definite or just chatter?

[lament birch]

https://www.warframe.com/news/valkyr-heirloom-collection

Down at the bottom of the page

[gilded gazelle]

Ah I see, maybe the next next year then XD

[tight pagoda]

It was also revealed the same time they revealed Valk Heirloom

[gilded gazelle]

Guess it will get more people to play Vauban (including myself)

[lament birch]

I still don't know his deal outside of the squad™ and the orbital strike

Crowd control I think?

[gilded gazelle]

Hes basically the tf2 engineer in warframe.

He build, he help, he defend.

[lament birch]

Yeah I might have to check him out eventually, but I've already got a lot of new frames I don't need to add another one..lol

[tight pagoda]

his needle ball is probably the best thing in the game

[cosmic prawn]

Overdriver is also pretty good, free +25% weapon damage, stacks with his passive.

[open vault]

🥹🥹🥹

[gilded gazelle]

Godamm this is so sad

[urban sky]

So any idea when this update is gonne be out?

[cerulean kiln]

Nope

[livid glen]

The Old Peace should be around December this year, while Tau should be around December 2026

The announced Fall update is probably around October I think

[urban sky]

Well darn, no lesson learnt then?

[livid glen]

?

[urban sky]

The Show and Tell thing, IIRC isn't showing off a update that is months away and might not even be doable at it's date a bad thing, like how Railjack turned out, etc? (or 1999)

Don't quote me on this but all I know is that updates like this either get delayed or are so buggy they are a unplayable mess while conveniently the holidays are right of the next day?

It seems kinda like a common tread if I'm not mistaken?

[livid glen]

Yes. But one that is years away, not months, like the New War or Duviri being shown like 6 years before release. The Old Peace is mostly done probably and the only thing we know of Tau is one picture

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think its quite fair to lump 1999 into that

plus like, both 1999 and Old Peace are the last major updates of their years. Its not really fair to say DE should have "learnt a lesson" in not showcasing whats coming in their major annual convention

[obtuse gyro]

plus duviri and new war were delayed due to this not-so-lovely thing called Covid so like

unless DE had clairvoyance, its not really a lesson for them to learn about showcasing their plans for the future

[livid glen]

Yeah, sometimes I wonder what we could have gotten if it wasn't for Covid

I can't help but feel they scrapped alot of things for the New War due to it

[urban sky]

Still, it's the whole thing of "Show and Ship" and as far as I recall, there was some issues with not doing exactly that in the past?

IMO anyway, it shouldn't be in a spot where, they tease something and then have it not come out until Dec or the risk of next year, I'd porb roll it as "coming soon" so it's in a state where all it needs is some polishing and then ready to be shipped at least within the next month, etc.

[livid glen]

I mean, we don't have a date

It's just based on the previous updates

It's 99% going to be in December

[urban sky]

Fair enough but still really a bad move IMO 🤷‍♂️

[livid glen]

It worked for Whispers and 1999 🤷‍♂️

[urban sky]

I know :D (Ijustwanttheupdatemandx)

Ayo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvSQsBORY90

[livid glen]

I'm definitely afraid for DE when it comes for Tau next year

[urban sky]

Go on?

[livid glen]

These are expectations on the level of the New War

I'm really not sure if they will manage to pull it of

What I'm most afraid of is it's going to be similar to 1999

A great quest, yes

But otherwise a couple new nodes, 1-2 new gamemodes

And maybe an echo update to add something akin to ETA

Oh, and a new Syndicate

Void I'm so fed up of Syndicates

Obviously, while great I guess, it's just not the... scale I guess of something that was effectively waited for almost a decade.

[obtuse gyro]

I agree that Tau has been expected for a while, but I dont think its on the scale of a decade's wait

since the Sentient focus in the game, much less that of Tau, came in later in Warframe's development

certainly much less a "core" part of the narrative than Destiny's Light vs Dark saga, and even that had rocky beginnings

[livid glen]

I mean, the Second Dream came out quite a while ago, and while I wouldn't say Tau has been expected since that long ago, it's still much, much bigger expectations than say 1999

[obtuse gyro]

Oh yea no doubt bigger than 1999

but not to the extent of being that old of a wait

If anything heading to Tau is more in line in terms of narrative flow with Destiny's new saga than it is with the previous, in a way

its not addressing something that was critical to the backdrop of the game prior, that was The New War's job

but its addressing a hanging thread, like the new saga does with the Nine

[livid glen]

Fair, I guess, but I would put it in line with the New War to be honest.

I mean, we're traveling to the place that started 90% of the conflicts we see

[rain dew]

I would definitely put it up there

[livid glen]

Including Warframes themselfs

[obtuse gyro]

In terms of "bigness"? I'd say its a fair guess, although I would hope for it to not be as long

[rain otter]

I like Syndicates like 1999 and the zariman but that's just me. Also the Zariman is my favorite update so you know im basis.

[livid glen]

I do hope it's as big as the New War, although I imagine I'm in the minority here lol.

[obtuse gyro]

not because i couldnt take it, but given how folks couldnt properly absorb the events of the game due to its length, I wouldnt like it if I had to explain, idk history war class to a new set of folks

[obtuse gyro]

Oh no dont mistake me, if it was as long I would gobble it up, my only concern is the headache afterwards

then again, I should just expect it anyway

since its a constant theme for warframe players

someone is going to go to Tau in 2026 and call it an alternate timeline anyways

[livid glen]

The Zariman is great, I mean no other update of recent added 3 new gamemodes (refreshed Mirror Defense and Survival don't count), it's just we had a new Syndicate every major update, just from a new player perspective having to grind out like 6 different ones at the same time will be such a pain.

[obtuse gyro]

Doing mental math, 1999 would have 2 new gamemodes, but one of them aint exactly a hot thing, unless you want conclave standing

[livid glen]

Yeah, probably. But then apparently some people consider everything post Second Dream non Canon so it's definitely will happen.

[livid glen]

Oh right, Face off. I completely forgot about it. Still a new gamemode, I guess, although it still doesn't reach the Zariman's 3.

[cerulean kiln]

<@&778745217037238293>

[azure solar]

ordan WAS him tho...

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh that message was 3 days ago

[azure solar]

the warframe slowly deploys their parazon

to "get FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-far out of our way" in fact

hehehe

mods the armaments perfectly

i cant mAKE THE JOKE THAT CAME TO MIND

[covert tree]

What joke dm me it

[azure solar]

im ashamed

[rain dew]

[wicked iron]

[azure solar]

thats the actual qoute

when you start the defence part

[rain dew]

I know

Please stop pinging me

[gilded gazelle]

Hello spoiler chat

So quick question, its somwthing thats been bugging me for a while. What the hell is the difference between the Man in the Wall and the Indifference? Or are they just the same thing with 2 different names?

[rain dew]

Different names for the same thing

[gilded gazelle]

Yeah I thought so, I found it confusing when I hoped into 1999 and they were saying the "indifference" not knowing what it was XD

[rain dew]

Most are, probably. Whispers is where the Indifference name started up IIRC.

[obtuse gyro]

Actually it was in Chains of Harrow

Palladino: "Yes. He commanded we chain it within the depths of the sacred temple. An eternal vigil against the Indifference."

[rain dew]

TIL

[lament birch]

Yeah, indifference, Murmur and the Man in the wall are kind of used interchangeably. Even if the "murmur" is technically for the enemy faction we fight.

Pretty sure it's been stated that all of the Murmur we fight are people who walked out on a deal with Wally?

[steep totem]

The Murmur are bits of the Wall Man himself iirc
although if both are true, then that implies a very unfortunate fate awaits those who go back on a deal with him

[amber terrace]

Because I like being an irritating little void lugger, the next Devstream should be sometime in late August, correct?

[obtuse gyro]

might be? Ive seen some talk about it being in sept but I cant confirm it

[covert tree]

You cant use that word

[amber terrace]

lol, lmao even

[amber terrace]

[wicked iron]

Man, I want all these updates. All of them. XD

[urban sky]

Anyone got a idea when the cert update is?

[livid glen]

Probably unannounced fall update so October, no?

Or wait, when does the summer event drop (forgot it's name). Probably then.

[lone axle]

the next one should be this years dog days iirc

next week i think

[urban sky]

Ah ok

cuz Cailban Prime is coming, given the way of wording in the post

[noble drift]

hmm, prime cycling is most often 3-4 months, though 2 isn't entirely unprecedented.

[urban sky]

Well, CB will be a outright buy for me

Only 2 frames, ever got a Full Outright buy and that was Wisp and Xaku IIRC

[zenith jacinth]

I doubt that he's gonna be this soon

[fluid mirage]

I just realized your PFP looks like it could’ve been an early form of one of the Hive gods or the crown of sorrow

[urban sky]

:(

[fading current]

Caliban prime is def coming when old peace launches. Considering he’s a big part of our backstory and that’d be the perfect time to release his prime access and what not

[urban sky]

It kinda does, I used to play D2 (a ton) but now it's in the trash (Also thank you for reminding me lol I need to change it)

[mild needle]

iirc, in today's devshort they said they're skipping august and that next devstream will be september

[thick jolt]

Would be far too late to be the next prime

[fluid mirage]

No no, I didn’t say you needed to change it

[zenith jacinth]

He also just. Shows up there

[urban sky]

Oh I know, don't worry

[fluid mirage]

My pfp is also from my destiny days

[urban sky]

I have to squint hold on

[fluid mirage]

Course, after final shape I consider myself retired now

[urban sky]

Is that a Titan, I can't tell lol

[fluid mirage]

Yatzhee

I was a major titan player, and a lore nerd. But, again, I consider myself retired from destiny. Final shape was the jump off the bus moment

[urban sky]

Huh, there isn't a off topic channel (Unless I'm blind..)

[zenith jacinth]

There isn't

Nothing off-topic and no memes are allowed

[fluid mirage]

Wow.

[urban sky]

Ooof

[zenith jacinth]

We still go off-topic sometimes because it's at least tolerated

[fluid mirage]

I’d share my pfp art but I don’t think that’d be allowed

[urban sky]

I was a Hunter Main, Stasis was my baby for so long but then Strand came and it was the only thing I loved, then Prismatic but was just Statis and Strand mix and eh...quit after Final Shape, Killin Witness was kinda of a let down (I can't spell today)

[fluid mirage]

Strand for me was my preferred as Titan. Sure, it was unoriginal to have ANOTHER melee based super, but the suspending and woven mail was so OP.

I remember doing Lightblade on grandmaster pre strand and after. It was so difficult without suspend and woven mail.

[urban sky]

Okay, each time I see the name Alex Muson, I keep reading it as Mason

Alex Mason from that CoD game xd

[fluid mirage]

thenumbersmasonwhatdotheymean

[fading current]

Then idk lmao

[thick jolt]

i have a feeling that panzer being the only one that isnt rare outside deimos is a poke at the playerbase lol

[opaque dove]

Prolly

[opaque dove]

That is what made me get one. Her names vulpy

[gilded sierra]

"harmless" puts 10 viral stacks on you "see?"

[opaque dove]

I think harmless as in rather docile

[rain otter]

hey now the predasites are also good.

[steep totem]

Would have been nice if we could talk about other Infested pets
I don't even have a Vulpaphyla

But I do have a Helminth Charger

[zenith jacinth]

Ok?

[velvet bison]

when will i know i have found a void angel to interact with?

[balmy storm]

They spawn in every Zariman mission iirc

[velvet bison]

it says interact so i thout it was something i interact with to summon one

[obtuse gyro]

youd be interacting with the angel

[velvet bison]

it was a angel you choose to interact with that was the question i was asking and you interact to summon it

[late wind]

aoi best girl?

[thick jolt]

More like wake it up, its literally the angel you fight right there just asleep

[ripe hamlet]

Absolutely, she’s sooooo sweet- one of my friends and I fight over who’s likes her more LOL

[undone lodge]

Best Proto

[livid glen]

Honestly I vibed with Aoi the least. She just seems a bit... over the top, I guess?

[lament birch]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again

Quincy is the worst

[livid glen]

I atleast understand Quincy

His form of speech is annoying

But he isn't generally wrong

[lament birch]

I just dislike Quincy's lifestyle. There's something about his personality that rubs me the wrong way. Probably because of all the dialogue with him being interested in parvos granum.

I don't think he's bad per se

I just think he's the one that consistently gives me bad vibes

Even if I know he's not all bad as a person and has hidden depths

I do agree with earlier though, Aoi is great. With how depressing things have been the past few years, her personality is kind of admirable.

It's nice to see anything that's Happy or just having fun these days, cuz it rubs off on you, you know?

[livid glen]

I dunno, she just seems to be... too much, I guess? It just doesn't feel genuine.

Like she's living in her own pocket reality

Quincy can't type to save his life, but Aoi just... rubs me the wrong way, I guess, same as you with Quincy.

[lament birch]

Do you think it's because she to you feels a little dissociative?

Like the kind of toxic positivity that Mathilda kind of references/represents?

[livid glen]

Maybe? I'm not sure.

[lament birch]

Not trying to make assumptions I'm just trying to make sense of it

[livid glen]

Meh, not really like Mathila, no, I don't think so

I'm trying to come up with the words to describe it

I guess it's more so... bland? Like, I know she has more to her personality than just the "happy one", but where as I found the other Hex to be rather interesting and relatable, Aoi just felt... annoying to talk to?

It's not quite right in what I'm trying to say

I guess I just can't really understand that... "bubbly" persona

[lament birch]

Fair enough, I can't really understand lettie

It's both her and Quincy I have trouble with. But I've got respect for the occupation

[livid glen]

Fair, lol. Lettie is just very... work driven. I can definitely understand and respect that attitude.

[lament birch]

I understand it as well, but you need a joke here and there to lighten the mood

You can't always stay tense

It's just her personality that while I both understand it, I also chastise it LOL

[livid glen]

Yeah, fair, although I would say Arthur probably has the bigger stick up his... yeah

Unless his Drunk

Then it's a completely different story, lol

[lament birch]

He does, but at the same time I also understand Arthur a little too much

He's essentially a character that was taught to repress, and doesn't know how to deal with the emotional side of things

I'm not saying that he doesn't have a stick where the sun doesn't shine, but a lot of his commanding personality is probably just how he manages to get through the day-to-day

[wraith eagle]

Hey, I persume someone has realised the line from Alad V about "Last Time you got close with the Sentients you wiped out an entire civilisation" is probably related to the Old Peace?

[obtuse gyro]

assuming that alad knows about adis and wasnt just referring to the Lotus

[junior aurora]

I hope we get to see the og archons on tau

[dense ice]

they are the og archons

[cerulean kiln]

Considering it wasn’t even in development plans yet, probably just referring to Lotus

[dense ice]

but we do have more archons

it's just that they are unnamed and have no visual image of them, only inferred

[livid glen]

Didn't the Lotus say about only having 4?

With the Ram being the leader

Or am I misremebering

[junior aurora]

Yk what I mean tho

[dense ice]

from what the wiki had written, the 4 are the only known archons. I haven't seen any confirmed number of archons active on tau so I figured there will be more archons to be introduced and fight

[cerulean kiln]

There’s only 4 we know of

During the Old War before we probably killed some beyond being able to be framed

[junior aurora]

They were once beasts created to protect tau

[cerulean kiln]

Pazuul never refers to himself as a Beast from Tau

He calls them above him

"Above, the Lords of Tau. Below, my people. Below them, yours. And I, I shall serve as shepherd and minister."

[opaque dove]

Pazuul is effectively the archons’ puppet

Their voice

[livid glen]

Huh? Didn't the Lotus say that the Ram was the leader

[cerulean kiln]

Leader of the Archons

Scroll up

[livid glen]

Scroll up where

You mean the quote?

[livid glen]

This one?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[livid glen]

Right, but I meant the Ram (who I was referring to as Pazuul, probably incorrectly). I can't find the quote, so I was probably hallucinating, but he's almost certainly a Beast of Tau

Based on other quotes

This specifically, I think

Probably not a leader though, yeah

[dense ice]

but pazuul currently is the de facto leader of narmer

[livid glen]

Yes

It's just the Ram that wasn't necessarily the leader of the beasts back on Tau.

[zenith jacinth]

Pazuul is the ram

[livid glen]

Kinda? He's a combination of the Ram and Erra. Mostly the Ram, but Erra is present.

Unless you mean in name, I have no idea if they had the same names pre-archon, they are always refered to as the "Wolf" or the "Owl", ect when talked about that time period.

[zenith jacinth]

Pazuul is the name of the ram, same as the others being amar, nira and boreal

[livid glen]

It's the name of the Archons. Unless I'm missing something whenever the Lotus talks about the beasts back in Tau it's always been with the animal name.

I dunno if that means the names changed

[zenith jacinth]

The archons are the beasts

[livid glen]

Or just for clarity

[livid glen]

They are the Beasts combined with warframes

[zenith jacinth]

[livid glen]

They were separate entities before that from what I can gather

In the same way as you don't call a Loki "Boreal" or a Rhino "Amar"

I dunno if we can call the Owl "Boreal" or the Wolf "Amar"

Could be wrong though

Hopefully we'll see in the Old Peace

[junior aurora]

"Pazuul the Ram was once a Sentient Beast, which were Sentients created by Praghasa and Hunhow to serve as the peacekeepers of Tau. The Ram acted as the de facto leader of the beasts, with Boreal, Amar, and Nira only answering to him.

The other beasts participated in The Old War, dying and becoming resurrected by Erra who converted them into Archons; hybrid abominations of Sentient and Warframe."

The pazuul wiki page

[livid glen]

Ok, so the names stay the same

That's the part I wasn't sure of

[junior aurora]

They're essentially henchmen named after war heroes to sentient now

Or better yet a warning to all sides

[cerulean kiln]

Wiki is fan run better to find an actual quote in game 100% calling them the beasts

Don’t think the game actually calls them the beasts

[junior aurora]

This wasnt from the fandom wiki btw

[livid glen]

No, I don't think so, which is why I was confused. The Lotus always calls them by the Title when talking about the Tau beasts.

[livid glen]

The "official" wiki is still fan-run

[obtuse gyro]

Lotus: "Be on guard, Tenno. Archon Amar is stalking his prey. This is the grotesque truth behind Pazuul's gospel of a new Eden; Sentient Beasts ruling over a docile human herd"

Lotus: "Whatever Pazuul may preach, Boreal and his fellow Beasts are the ones destined to rule. Erra is merely a tool to them. We must strike where we can."

Lotus: "Pazuul preaches of Tau, where once the great Beasts held dominion. But none have seen Tau in centuries, nor heard it speak. Nira and her kin were doubly abandoned."

[junior aurora]

I just wanna see what they were like before they got the Frankensteins monster treatment

[cerulean kiln]

Like a Sentient

[junior aurora]

Im fully expecting them to just look like their animal counterparts with a bit of sentient flare to them tbf

[steep totem]

Sorta
Lotus says at multiple points (and I think Hunhow does too) that the Sentient Beasts were modeled on ancient Earth creatures
They probably looked reasonably close, if not exactly like their inspirations

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder what ancient earth creatures looked like

[junior aurora]

Id assume like a cross between what we have now and what we have now

Love how the sentient looked at a ram and thought yes this thing is deadly enough

[livid glen]

Minus the fact that Amar is not indeed a wolf but actually a dolphin...

[junior aurora]

Still a predator just a different kind now

[soft pumice]

A different type of predator for sure. at least a wolf kills you.

[zenith jacinth]

Amar is a wolf

[livid glen]

His "skull" is a dolphin

[zenith jacinth]

It's not

It's a sentient stylized wolf head

[livid glen]

It's not a perfect 1:1 to either but it's wayyyy closer to the dolphin head to be honest, with the elongated snout. I think someone actually found the dolphin species it was based on, don't remember exactly.

Yes the sentients were trying to make a wolf. It's still a dolphin. (Wolfs went extinct way to long ago for them to have accurate depictions based on Lotus' dialogue, this is probably intentional to show that)

[midnight crescent]

Anyone know what armour this is?

[obtuse gyro]

its the conquera armour

you'll likely be able to get it the next time conquera comes around

[thick jolt]

Isnt that the dex suit?

[night grail]

Yeah there isnt a conquera operator suit that I know of

[thick jolt]

Pretty sure that's the dex operator/drifter suit
Which comes around every anniversary

[obtuse gyro]

hm, might be, either conquera or dex, Im just gunning off the flowers on the arm

[midnight crescent]

Thanks!

[midnight crescent]

Thank you so much

Yeah,the helm is what I noticed first

[exotic gate]

If you want a funny picture of what Pobbers might actually be. Go look up a wet chinchilla.

[livid glen]

It's 100% Dex

[exotic gate]

Can confirm, its Dex

[midnight crescent]

Thanks !

[red peak]

Hi, had a random thought. Will we ever get a Lotus Heirloom skin?

[livid glen]

Probably not

I guess it's not, in theory, outside the realm of possibilty

But it would be very, very unlikely.

[lone axle]

i did make a fan design but yeah its not extremely likely lol

[covert tree]

If we got an heirloom lotus then everything would get an heirloom like pets sentinels operator/drifters

[rain otter]

We will more likely get a "prime"/ other deluxe skin that includes lotus/natah/marg

I wouldn't be to surprised if some Prime access had a skin for her at some point.

We got a Necramech one and a Landing Craft one.

[fluid mirage]

Sheep too!

As evidence by KIM chats with the hex

[livid glen]

I imagine most of the animals on earth went extinct to be honest

With the Orokin

[cosmic prawn]

It was more likely the Infestation and the 'Radiation Wars'.

[rancid condor]

Huh... what if it was the Operator who ordered Cy to kill the crew.

[rancid condor]

This isn't even the real Sentient Beast but a recreation of it

[hearty pendant]

his orders were given by the orokin, though

[rancid condor]

You were part of that civilization at the time

[hearty pendant]

not really, though
not in a commanding a cephalon's railjack sense

[rain otter]

I don't know if the operator existed then. It's more likely to be either a programmed order a malfunction or like someone like Ballas stopping Cy from stopping the invasion cuz they where stopping a sentient invading force.

[rancid condor]

I don't think there's even any Orokin in Tau at that point

And they'd have at least some railjacks defending the ground troops wouldn't they?

Hmm that's a point are all of the Tenno railjacks canon or is there canonically only one?

[rain otter]

Well i think the Orokin Invaded Tau First.

But anyway.

[rancid condor]

They sent sentients first

[rain otter]

No I know that I'm saying during the war

That the orokin might have attacked first.

[rancid condor]

Why would they go to fight the war? They're ultra-elites with compliant armies

Grineer, Dax and Tenno sure, but why them themselves until the dust has cleared?

[thick jolt]

Difference between orokin caste and just orokin the empire

[rancid condor]

And if it's the empire, why wouldn't the Operator be a viable candidate?

[winged obsidian]

Most likely due to the distrust the Orokin had with the Tenno or perhaps the Tenno couldn’t have a Railjack due to Orokin’s caste system and Tenno probably were considered pretty low, especially them believing the Tenno are Void demons

[balmy storm]

Ballas was mostly the one who saw them as “demons” and that was due to personal gripes

[winged obsidian]

He’s the only one we saw constantly saying that to Tenno, but there had been others who’ll call you a demon as well, both bad and kinda good. Plus with that one Cephelon not too keen on Adis hanging out with a Tenno kinda shows how many Orokin-aligned saw them

[lament birch]

Yeah, but they probably weren't that far down in the bottom rung either considering Voruna's job, and the fact that the tenno are kind of needed to pilot their war machines

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, probably better than some others. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was almost like a malicious compliance type situation. We don’t know for sure. I wonder if Old Peace would expand more on the Orokin and Tenno strain relations

[rain otter]

there are classes of orokin still.

[noble drift]

Some of them just like a good excuse for a fight... right, Father.

[thick jolt]

Still wanna put father, cavalero and quincy in a room and watch them nerd it out

[opaque dove]

Yes

Cavalero and Father would definitely nerd out together

[junior aurora]

Cavalero would probably shit a brick seeing an orokin after so long and Quincy would spend 15 minutes wondering why one arm is longer than the other

[tight pagoda]

Quincy the second he sees anything in the future

[lament birch]

Yeah, I can't tell if he would be disgusted amazed or just confused lol

Especially after the incarnon weapon discussion

[fluid mirage]

He looks like Drifter from D2 after you tell him that Hive guts can get em high

[zenith jacinth]

Father only has one arm

[hearty pendant]

still correct, sorta

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah but not because one arm is artificially longer

[steep totem]

And then another one when he notices Father is partly Infested

[noble drift]

Father: Casually missing large sections of his torso. Lettie: Developing an, other, anxiety tic.

[lone axle]

arthur would want to burn deimos whole and entire

[undone lodge]

Velmir would also want to

For… other reasons

[zenith jacinth]

?

[undone lodge]

BBQ

[long blade]

@livid glen ||On the screen where we decide what the lotus will be, which one would be logical to choose? Does it affect the story?||

[livid glen]

Doesn't affect the story and the appearance can be changed later

The name is permanent though

Choose what you think is most fitting

[long blade]

its permanent? wow

[obtuse gyro]

theres not much "logical" choice here

[livid glen]

The name only, yes

[long blade]

I was thinking black was a bad choice when the screen was half black and half white.

[fluid mirage]

To me, ||Natah is what she was. Margulius is what she became. But lotus, is what she wants to be.||

[livid glen]

Yeah, I chose the same thing

[long blade]

yeah

[livid glen]

As that's what she chose at the end of the New War

But it really doesn't matter much

[fluid mirage]

With option A and C, it’s more or less moving backward for her. But as Lotus, she can move forward

[long blade]

We guided the game with Lotus at the beginning, now let me finish it as Lotus.

[livid glen]

Also all the cutscenes are made with Lotus in mind so Natah looks goofy alot of the time

[long blade]

I never liked Natah's appearance lol

[tribal elbow]

The "intention" behind the choice, going by the reaction, is Natah: Strength, Margulis: Compassion, Lotus: Balance between the two.

But no one actually goes with that. People usually either chose Natah as "back to her original self" or Lotus as "what she became" (and who we got to know).

Haven't heard of anyone choosing Margulis.

[obtuse gyro]

usually its because choosing Margulis feels like giving ballas what he wants, so theres the stink in the mouth

others choose marge because boobah

[livid glen]

I have. For the... umh, "window"

[obtuse gyro]

see heres one right now

[livid glen]

Not me

I chose Lotus, I meant I've seen people who chose Margulis before

[tribal elbow]

I'd argue that, since Ballas didn't just want Margulis to exit, but to possess her, having a perfectly fine Margulis who defies him - basically, "what he wanted, but without him" - is the greater insult.

He killed the real Margulis because she loved the Tenno. Now the Tenno get to have the replacement Margulis all for themselves.

(I still picked Lotus, I like her looks more.)

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, sure, that is a fair argument to have to picking margulis, letting the woman live finally free from ballas and all, but the low pick rate can be attributed to the more lower hanging fruit of "not letting ballas win"

realistically, regardless of who you pick, all 3 of them are still "alive" all youve really done is watch natotugulis pick her leading voice

[obtuse gyro]

separate reasons could also be attributed to:
natah looking cool as hell
lotus prime
and
wf players somehow just not knowing who margulis is

[tribal elbow]

Also, there's the whole thing with her not actually being Margulis.
You can justify Natah as "going back to who she was", and Lotus as "moving on", but Margulis is just… "bye Natah, we need you to pretend to be someone else instead for the rest of time."

But yeah, canonically, she herself picks which of the three becomes the speaker of the triad.

[cerulean kiln]

Warframe players casually not paying attention to lore

[tribal elbow]

Lotus Ascendant or whatever that skin is called was the reason I picked her, yeah XD

[obtuse gyro]

bingo, I ruled marge out during my playthrough because its still not the real marge, let the woman finally rest (inside natotugulis's head)

just an approximation by a weirdo

unless it was a perfect replica

[livid glen]

Radiant Lotus

[obtuse gyro]

then I might consider it Marge Reloaded

[tribal elbow]

I mean, we don't know how the Margulis personality inprint was done.
Could have been a brainscan or something. Semi-glassing.
Could also just have been Ballas making stuff up. We lack details to judge how precise it was.

[long blade]

I choose Sun from this animal

its the same? like lotus choose

[tight pagoda]

Streamer MoistCritikal chose Margulis as a way to taunt Ballas. "Haha, I have Margulis and you don't". If you know Critikal you know he had much more vulgar words than that of course

[dense ice]

I gagged at ‘marge’. Now i can only think of lotus krumping with the operator

[boreal pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-dancing-homer-simpson-gif-12235449

“Change of plans Tenno.”

[night grail]

How have i never noticed the warframe getting split open here

[livid glen]

I'm pretty sure it's a new addition. Either that or it was broken until recently

(The Gore Particle Effects on the frame)

[night grail]

That screenshot is from a video from 2015

So, no

[livid glen]

Hmmm, I never had it pop up until a recent replaying to be honest

[obtuse gyro]

ONE LEFT

I JUST NEED ARTHUR TO SAY YES TO F&F

[fluid mirage]

Speaking of that

Isn’t there supposed to be a Hex chat when you get all six of them together for it?

[livid glen]

The fact that they reconsider is sooooo nice though, like I was so pissed that at first I only got Eleanor and Aoi.

Atleast when the "every chat" feature is enabled

[obtuse gyro]

yea I was concerned that I'd have to reset just to get the full F&F

[livid glen]

Before it was implemented I only got the chat with Arthur

He denied, obviously

And then I was too high level to get any other chats 💀

[livid glen]

I did, was basically the main reason why I reset, plus seeing the other chats by enabling the "every chat" feature (or whatever it's called) as a nice bonus.

[shy mauve]

I was able to get everyone to join so I think it depends on how much they like you

[livid glen]

In my experience most of then deny the first time and then reconsider on the second time I talk to them

My first "playthrough" however had only one F&F chat as a whole

(That being with Arthur)

Let alone a second chance with him

[zenith jacinth]

It depends on
-who already joined
-the personality of the proto

If only eleanor joined lettie will refuse for example

[opaque dove]

I don’t know how, but I think I got everyone that could join F&F like first try and I don’t know how(maybe it’s the fact I follow a certain pattern with KIM chats)

[zenith jacinth]

Going in a specific order could probably guarantee it. Aoi and eleanor will always join, arthur would likely join after those, quincy joins if arthur does, lettie joins if everyone else does

[coarse rampart]

Can we ping DE over the twitch drops not being available

[zenith jacinth]

No

[balmy storm]

Are you on ios?

[coarse rampart]

Yes

It has no reason to not work

[balmy storm]

Don’t watch through the app
Pull up the desktop version in your preferred browser

[coarse rampart]

I did

[balmy storm]

Iirc it’s an issue on Twitch’s end

[coarse rampart]

It didn’t work

[coarse rampart]

great

[balmy storm]

It should
Selecting the desktop version for Twitch should work

[coarse rampart]

I did during Tennocon and I couldn’t get any of the drops

[balmy storm]

You’re not just pulling up twitch in your browser, you’re pulling it up and selecting desktop?

[balmy storm]

Odd

All the tennocon drops will return through baro at least
Two already have but were only accessible via the special baro

[zenith jacinth]

What were those again

[coarse rampart]

I’m glad no unique weapons were attached to Tennocon

[zenith jacinth]

Well gotva was initially a tennocon drop iirc but now baro sells it

[tight pagoda]

AvaClem glyph and the TennoConcert Lizzie/Flare signed poster

[zenith jacinth]

Sometimes

[tight pagoda]

AX-52 was a Tennocon weapon too but they released it for everyone with 1999

[zenith jacinth]

Yeh

[coarse rampart]

I’m saying this year because I would have had to wait an indeterminate amount of time

[tight pagoda]

Naktavyre armor might be a Tau syndicate item tbh

[zenith jacinth]

Seems likely

[balmy storm]

They would be available with baro too

[coarse rampart]

I understand that i would have been more upset about this issue if i lost out on something an unknown amount of time

[amber terrace]

Am I misinterpreting Warframe’s entire narrative when I say that Warframe is a story about love?

[tight pagoda]

No

[night grail]

Its a little reductive but no

[amber terrace]

I came to that conclusion last night when one of my irls said that if I played my cards right, there’s a slight chance I could rizz someone with my staggering levels of Warframe autism

Something about how people like seeing someone talk about something they’re passionate about

[lament birch]

Yeah, it's not far off. I could say that there's more though

There's an ESPECIALLY big focus on self identity

And finding yourself

Second dream

Duviri

The lotus/natah/margulis choice in new war

[lunar adder]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[amber terrace]

I think the key is to be so genuinely passionate about what your interests are that, no matter how “nerdy”, they still see you genuinely happy and that your happiness can’t help but leave its mark on the people around you

But idk I’ve never been in a relationship that hasn’t imploded after 15 minutes

[tough bloom]

I wonder if the grineer or corpus will have any importance in the future story beats

[noble drift]

Probably something will come up. There's definitely room for more salad on our plate.

[amber terrace]

Ye nah I wanna see what happened to Alad after New War

[tight pagoda]

Story wise, they're not an immediate priority

I assume once we're done with Tau and the Man in the Wall, we go back to dealing with them

[hearty pendant]

they might come with us to tau, tbh
whole new system to plunder of its resources

[tight pagoda]

True, they didn't hesitate at all to try and besiege the Zariman when it showed up

[lament birch]

Lol, alad isn't dead and somehow is on tau, living it up

Continue the bit of him just not dying

[tight pagoda]

Assuming we're going to Tau in a conventional way (rebuilding the solar rail) and not, idk, eating our own fingers to make a single use portal, it would be easy enough for the Grineer and Corpus to follow

[tight pagoda]

Alad V
Mutalist Alad V
Alad V Prime
Tauforged Alad V

Wouldn't be surprised if he somehow went back in time and changed his name to Gregory V, the guy behind the Technocyte Coda

[fading current]

I wonder if remembering the old peace and such will lead to us rebuilding the solar rail to tau…or somehow finding another way to get there. Gods I can’t wait for the end of the year lol. PEAK incoming.

[lament birch]

I mean, he never ordered his own ship to stand down, only the fleet. he could be still alive after new war

[rain otter]

Probably.

@fading current the lore panel one of the panels said we will rebuild it.

[fading current]

Where in the lore panel was that said? Would love to know.

[rain otter]

I don't remember but i remember it being said.

The people that told me that was said I trust.

[fading current]

Like it was said in the lore part of the stream? Or it was said off stream? Cuz I recently rewatched the entire lore stream and don’t recall it being said but could’ve easily missed it.

[rain otter]

I think it was during the stream Pazzul was also mentioned.

[velvet bison]

does jade have any unique interactions with stalker invation or acolyte invasion?

like sif post vs pre dlc

[obtuse gyro]

Stalker will auto disengage if your team has a jade

[velvet bison]

does he say anything?

[obtuse gyro]

"Never"

if theres a jade on your team he will spawn, say "never" and then drop his loot and leave

[velvet bison]

wow that would be op if that worked on acolytes

[obtuse gyro]

@modest verge
"I thinks sentinel right I think shi I don’t rember"
Sentient

and what are the Sentients?

[modest verge]

Uhh an orkin cell ?

[obtuse gyro]

No

Theyre a machine race

[modest verge]

I guess I’ll fully understand after this quest

[wild wind]

Living terraforming machines

[velvet bison]

is the 201 login reward the same for everyone?

[wild wind]

200?

[modest verge]

If they give me my warframe back ong it wraps im clawing in less than 25 mins

[velvet bison]

it would be way higher been playing since 2013 but i take very long breaks

[wild wind]

multiples of 50 are the same, everything else is rng

[velvet bison]

i dont even remember what my loginreward was for 199 so no way am i going to remember any others

[modest verge]

Hey if I choose operator do I get my warframe back ?

[wild wind]

makes no difference whatsoever

[obtuse gyro]

makes no difference

[rain otter]

Wait didn't you play Natah?

[rain otter]

Also you can pick either to get them back.

[tight pagoda]

Yeah from here on, Drifter's gameplay is identical to Operator's

The only choice that matters is the final one, that's a permanent selection

You choose the identity that you want ||Natah/Margulis/Lotus|| to keep. The name is permanent but you can choose the other skins with Plat, and you get the default appearance for free

[modest verge]

Tf is that

I think ima just go with lotus cuz why not

[undone lodge]

The Man In The Wall

The guy from Chains of Harrow and the Zariman flashbacks

[covert tree]

Wally

[fading current]

Welcome to the void saga

[wicked iron]

Random question... From the Hex, who can and can you not date again if you break up?

[modest abyss]

what does operator remaster mean?

operator customization remaster?

[livid glen]

In terms of their appearance

Crisper textures

Possibly new options

[modest abyss]

oooh

thats cool

[cosmic prawn]

From the Old Peace demo, it looks like brand new face options rather than updating the existing faces.

[quick trail]

Oh crap

Am I cooked?

[real niche]

Yeah

[winged obsidian]

Sadly yes

[livid glen]

Yes.

How did that even happen

[cerulean kiln]

Warframe players are unfortunately bad at social interaction

[livid glen]

I'm bad at social interaction and I got the good ending for them first try 😭

[cerulean kiln]

I saw a person wonder why they failed with Amir despite constantly shutting him down

[winged obsidian]

Velimir and Minerva are pretty delicate imo. Their relationship is already pretty fragile to begin with so with how you go about it can really break their relationship fairly early from my experience. I’m so glad DE added that feature with resetting because I cannot go through that again. It felt like disarming a ticking bomb

[honest hazel]

Don't worry you can restart it and choose better the next time

[opaque dove]

Unfortunately

[opaque dove]

I had it pretty rocky with Flare and Lizzie, fortunately I convinced flare. I was constantly wondering at times if I had screwed up

[quick trail]

Don't want a reset the other 2 tho 😭😭

[honest hazel]

I had messed up flare n the couple so i did reset

[noble drift]

DE gives us individual resets... but then they start comparing notes. 😓

[livid glen]

I hadn't messed up anyone other than F&F 'cause the game only let me talk with Arthur and no one else 🤷‍♂️

Main reason why I reset

[winged obsidian]

I always hated how it randomized especially with the F&F because I’ll be trying to recruit everyone on it. Only missed Arthur first time. Second time I forgot. But third I finally got everyone

[livid glen]

The first time I reset I just enabled that feature to have all the chats

[rain otter]

You can turn on all conversations and then just not talk to Amir again until you get them all to join.

[rain otter]

You are cooked. You can just reset the circle now though.

[quick trail]

Same time tho, resetting seems kinda wrong haha

Just a game sure but man DE done an incredible job making everyone feel so real yk

[rain otter]

You can reset just the 3(4) new proto frames. Also you'll be making them happy it's worth it.

[lament birch]

I'm still sad with how stripped back the rest of the hex round 2 is

[rain otter]

I wouldn't say they where that

Just different.

[lament birch]

It certainly felt that way to me.

There wasn't as much of a struggle compared to the original hex

They weren't as.. combative??? I don't know they didn't feel as complicated as characters compared to me

It was pretty disappointing

Also because there's much less content with them.

Meaning you run through the chats quicker. and once they're done, they're done.

[rain otter]

Oh I disagree I feel like thet are more combative.

[lament birch]

Weird, why?

I just want to understand

[rain otter]

I just find lizzie so interesting

And Kaya is just q good Character and way more reversed than any character we talk to before.

The couple are like fun cuz they are good foils to each other.

[obtuse gyro]

perhaps youre more used to engaging folks like the extras, because Ive seen the flowcharts and Ive seen conversational mishaps by other players. Maybe you managed to pick the more diffusing options naturally

like you can absolutely piss lizzie off and she'll hit you with a "jumpscare" on screen

but yknow, if you manage to navigate that properly you'll never see it

[lament birch]

Flare is pretty much just don't be stupid, and of course try and push someone into getting a symbiotic relationship with a sentient guitar why not!?

Yeah Fair... I think at the end of the day I'm just sad that there isn't as much content with them.

When I heard we were getting more conversations with the hex overall, i was pretty happy and then got really disappointed to see that none of the extras were added to that list too

[high heath]

Yet hopefully. Would be nice if we got more conversations with the update that is adding the next 3 proto frames for everyone

[obtuse gyro]

I was going to say that the roundtable did get more lines, but I realise it might have been amir talking about the shenanigans him and kaya got up to

like sending a booby trapped roomba across time and space

[lament birch]

I think a lot of my criticism with the rest of the extras can come down to the originals had a lot more "life"?? Like there's some shenanigans that go on with the originals, need I remind you of square spaghetti?

[obtuse gyro]

eh? didnt you get the jinymon convo with kaya?

[lament birch]

I did

[obtuse gyro]

pet dog?

[lament birch]

My trouble is that's exactly the kind of crap I want more of

I want to know more about these people

Much like how we learned about the hex

[obtuse gyro]

yknow fair, they dont have as many flowcharts

[lament birch]

It feels like the extras were just there to fix their problems and nothing more. Even though that's exactly what it is.

I want to know more about them! I want to find out what makes them tick, what makes them them

I want to hear more about childhood stories, or dumb ideas or like stupid nicknames they had

The little things that make them human

I think my point is personally, is that the round two felt stale in that regard

[high heath]

I feel like they didnt include all of that stuff, since we can't romance them

[lament birch]

I know... And I know all of them have their reasons as why they shouldn't or wouldn't be dating. but it still feels like such a missed opportunity

Though I do think even from the originals that Aoi can still use some work

Love her to bits,but I wish she had more going on.

Besides team cheerleader/ big sister

[livid glen]

I just wish that the Drifter could actually respond to Kaya's questions (if only with a "I don't know") from the get go instead of forcing greetings

[high heath]

I wish they'd lean into more chat options that are exclusive to if you're dating them. Did appreciate how some of the new dialogue took note of how I was dating Eleanor

[lament birch]

Yeah, agreed

[dawn hound]

||Shrek, had babies.||

[shadow forum]

So I have questions,this Ballas guy who was he.

He attacked many planets and after reading and hearing many stuff about what he did. I wonder what in that new quest we will hear in the past

[livid glen]

?

[zenith jacinth]

Well there's stories and stupid ideas, mostly from velimir

[livid glen]

Did you complete all the quests or..?

[shadow forum]

Yes I did

[zenith jacinth]

...really

[shadow forum]

Yea after seeing that new quest demo. I'm curious what was he before.

[livid glen]

Ballas was one of the Seven in the Orokin empire who was behind the Warframe project

(As well as behind the Sentients secretly)

[shadow forum]

I just wonder. Who was controlling Ballas.

[livid glen]

???

[lament birch]

Yeah..but that's pretty much only him. And that's what I don't like

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas is:
The guy who basically killed margulis
Creator of most warframes
Ally of the sentients
Main antagonist starting in apostasy prologue until tnw
The reason the sentients even exist

[livid glen]

No one

[zenith jacinth]

No one

[zenith jacinth]

Not secretly

[shadow forum]

Still that guy whispers in the walls, how he came

With black eyes.

[zenith jacinth]

That's wally

Completely unrelated guy

[lament birch]

No one controlled ballas. Ballas is just a massive insert many vulgar words I can't say on this discord

[shadow forum]

I guess we will see him in near future.

[livid glen]

The codex entry talks about how Ballas used reverse psychology, by appearing against the idea while actually wanting the Sentients. Seems plenty "in secret" to me 🤷‍♂️

[zenith jacinth]

You've seen wally since a short scene in war within, he pops up every now and then disguised as your operator

[shadow forum]

Bruh he freaked me out 1 time

When I was in my ship he was there.

😑 I almost got lost by that words.

[zenith jacinth]

He's hard coded to show up after the snackrifice with specific dialogue

[shadow forum]

So why did Ballas summoned the warframe excalibur umbra.

[zenith jacinth]

He didn't

[lament birch]

He didn't

[shadow forum]

🤔 since he controlled lotus

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra was in that courtyard because of his own free will

[lament birch]

Ballas tortured umbra for umbra finding dirt on him, ballas forced him to turn into a warframe while also killing his son

[shadow forum]

😐 Ballas did that

[lament birch]

Yes

[lament birch]

Think of any crime in the world

Ballas is probably not above doing it

[shadow forum]

🤔 I'm curious next year we will go to tau.

[zenith jacinth]

And probably did it

[real niche]

Not a crime if you're the one making the rules 😎

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas won't be there

[lament birch]

We know for a fact they definitely don't respect bodily autonomy considering dagath

[shadow forum]

But I wonder, will we go there in dreams by lotus or we will go there through a portal machine or some summoned moment as zariman ship appeared.

[shadow forum]

He will be in old peace

As past to see what happened there.

Before tau right.

[zenith jacinth]

2026 will be present tau so not the dreams thing

[shadow forum]

Good to know, still the answer on the question will be answered next year.

[zenith jacinth]

End of this year is past tau through lotus memories

[shadow forum]

Damm lotus has more storage for remembering many stuff.

[zenith jacinth]

DE keeps finding ways to bring back ballas after he died

[shadow forum]

Damn he surely is main villain.

But looks like the puzzle of this warframe will come to righteous place to see the whole picture of what happened.

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe ballas' last name is afton

[shadow forum]

You did saw that big ship

Tennocon and that big character npc made in middle

Who is that.

And what message it would bring

[zenith jacinth]

That's a hunhullus, a sentient weapon from the old war

[shadow forum]

Huh that one

I'm curious about the shrine.

[zenith jacinth]

It shows up in the old peace, which is why it's in the old peace teaser relay

[zenith jacinth]

What shrine

[shadow forum]

The side quest

Where we had to gather resources

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

[shadow forum]

To get 3 items to summon someone's voice

[zenith jacinth]

You mean koumei's mission?

[shadow forum]

No no the syndicate

Do you know loka

[zenith jacinth]

Oh silver grove

[shadow forum]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

What specifically are you curious about

[shadow forum]

That 3 messages from that stone was written, of how titania was made and other warframes who became killing machines who die in the end.

Ballas was behind that project orokin war project

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[shadow forum]

And margulis(lotus) protected that

That backed it away her/him from that project to forest

I hope we see and that story

In old peace

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis isn't lotus

[livid glen]

Margulis is not Lotus

And she is almost certainly already dead

[shadow forum]

🤔 than who was that

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis

[livid glen]

Lotus is Natah mimicing Margulis due to Ballas

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus is a sentient mimic that took her appearance to infiltrate the tenno

[shadow forum]

Uh that is interesting

[zenith jacinth]

Kinda backfired and she ended up deciding that the tenno are her kids

That's info from the natah quest

[shadow forum]

So margulis appeared at that YouTube demo video who lost eyes.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[shadow forum]

When tenno got their powers.

[livid glen]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis was blinded by rell/the tenno

[shadow forum]

Looks like more questions will be answered, once we see the past of what happened to her and other people.

[rain dew]

Marghulis.exe jumpscare

[zenith jacinth]

We know everything important about marge

[livid glen]

We are very unlikely to see her alive

[shadow forum]

And I wonder how tau will be made and where it would be placed.

[rain dew]

Margy got Jade’d, right?

[zenith jacinth]

...what