spoiler-chat

[velvet bison]

is the words not meaning what i think they mean i said it would have been nice if we could

[balmy storm]

I think everyone’s aware of that
But that’s just not how it was designed

[round parrot]

The strat is to just finish all the main quests y’know

After new war it takes like a few hours to finish up the remaining quests

Well maybe like 3 or 4, but then you’re done for a while

[prisma ingot]

I've noticed the round place is different when the old peace demo ends compared to when we first saw it with Adis(it is damaged and missing its round thing at the top of it)

Probably something like a big fight will happen that resulted in that place being like that

[obtuse gyro]

lol, I wonder who has a sword big enough to slice of the top

[round parrot]

They literally give you a captcha so you understand that you cannot do any other content until you finish new war

They give you a warning to make sure you realize it

[obtuse gyro]

He gets it

he'd prefer that it'd not be that way

[velvet bison]

not this shit again f ing read im saying it would be nice

[round parrot]

Well idk that’s just like

A youuu issue

[velvet bison]

no it sounds like a you problem and the others other than bau gets what i mean and why i mean it and why i said it in the way i said it

[round parrot]

🍄

[runic flame]

Ok so it's towards sentients then?

[zenith jacinth]

The cephalon says the void-lugger line in response to the tenno saying "stupid"

[obtuse gyro]

*adis

you can hear the voice filters

[zenith jacinth]

Does it say adis above the subtitles?

[winged obsidian]

He says it before Adis says stupid. Adis is responding to evil Ordis about that comment on him

[zenith jacinth]

Ok tbh I didn't memorize much of the demo

[winged obsidian]

I rewatch it sometimes because there were stuff I did missed like Reb talking about how we use Sentient shards for our Focus and that could be something explored in the demo

[hearty pendant]

Daklo - Disgusting, isn't it? Orokin gold - wasted!
Daklo - I wonder... which of you would this abberation attack first?
(not named) - Stupid.
Daklo - Watch your mouth, void-lugger.

[winged obsidian]

Ok, I don’t remember crap then lol.

[zenith jacinth]

Daklo is an odd name, wonder if he's like ordis

[hearty pendant]

i think Adis is properly subtitled the rest of the time, but there's definitely something weird about that line
maybe its meant to be whispered by the operator but just sounds weird?
can't tell if either of them are moving their mouths, either
unsure

[zenith jacinth]

Klo is also a word for toilet in german so I will now internally call daklo "da toilet"

[winged obsidian]

He has a similar body as Ordis, so he could be Cephelon.

[zenith jacinth]

I mainly mean the name, if it's a combo like ord(an) (karr)is

[round parrot]

DE is very intentionally with their word play most of the times so I’m gonna hope that’s true

Cavia literally means Guinea pigs

[zenith jacinth]

Oh neat

Imagine the meeting "this character is gonna be really rude what should we name him"
"Toilet but make it foreign"

[obtuse gyro]

other way around,

as greyscale shows

what is scrolling

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, someone already corrected me on that. 1am brain not braining today

[runic flame]

Ok so is it a slur towards tenno then

[hearty pendant]

its.. certainly one of the two

[velvet bison]

do you get any mastery rank for the items that get given to you at lv30?

[winged obsidian]

It sounds like it’s to insult those who associate themselves with Tenno

[winged obsidian]

You get MR leveling up weapons and Warframes

[velvet bison]

yeah but i didnot level it

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[haughty lagoon]

Hey all, so, ever since Zariman I wondered when exactly what Yonta mentions would happen, that is, when talking to her she says she know how the zariman would make the Tau jump in one go disabling safeties in sequence, I mean she pretty much goes in small spolilers tbh, "Reconstruction of the past is possible", "Tau jump disabling sequences".

So I'm guessing in 2026 we'll do an über railjack mission disabling sequences to make the jump while defending the Zariman (maybe against murmur and sentients?) and also pretty much fix the past (although, we kinda of did that in '99 tbh), whatever approach DE has in mind it'll probably be a blast.

But thinking about the ramifications of what Yonta says we could literally end up in a whole different timeline (void magic and whatnot)

[obtuse gyro]

wuh?

the zariman under no circumstances should be moved

and for gameplay reasons cant be moved

[rancid condor]

We didn't fix 1999 at all, we just keep resetting it.

It's like we got our ocarina back from the first loop of Majora's Mask but are about to get strangled by the happy mask salesman for not getting the mask

[round parrot]

I mean yeah they could move it

They can do whatever they want with their game

[obtuse gyro]

right, and remove an entire chunk of gameplay nodes

[haughty lagoon]

agreed, but it is thrown there as such, Yonta says they could make it work, alas, I'm just thinking it could be a likely scenario, how they'll explain zariman can be moved tho' it'll be a whole new chapter, when it's there "plugging"

[obtuse gyro]

what an excellent play

or yknow, we have a rail that can be repaired on our end of the system

[rancid condor]

Moved in a part playerbase visual kinda way like how Fortuna looks different for those who have done new war

[round parrot]

They can move it for the quest and it goes back to normal afterwards

[haughty lagoon]

right, that, although it will sound simplistic (to say the least) could be that the zariman does the jump akin to how we just change our Bases, but yeah, most simple and straightforward thing would be to have a rail and go back and forth

[rancid condor]

Or that yeah. Jump to tau then reconnect the rail from the other end

[haughty lagoon]

oh, that as well, I mean, we're talking about months to a year from now, lord knows how they'll handle it but there's many options they can go for, and honestly? They're all enticing

[round parrot]

I think that kaya and Marie will help us get there along with some Albrecht invention

[obtuse gyro]

the issue with the rail is the blown up one on our end, less so trying to open the way at Tau

[round parrot]

Since kaya can independently time travel and Marie is wisp who can open portals to the sun, I’m pretty sure in wisp lore it doesn’t specify she’s opening a portal to our sun

[obtuse gyro]

thats... quite a stretch

a singular warframe armed with the power to open a portal to another system

[round parrot]

Well yeah that’s why I think she’d have to work with kaya and some other albrecht tech

[zenith jacinth]

That alone would have catastrophic effects

[haughty lagoon]

if they're in Origin that's all and well, but if they're not in origin and drifter's back on hollvania keeping the loops then Kaya may be the only choice

[round parrot]

Zariman sucks anyways nuke that shit 💔

[zenith jacinth]

Not on the zariman, on half of the origin system

[round parrot]

Origin system sucks we’re living in tau now

[ionic cloak]

I don't think they can move the zariman

[round parrot]

We could find a way to fix the hole

[wise solstice]

Minor spoiler
EVERYONE DIES

[haughty lagoon]

and difter hulk smashes every loop and we start the game from scratch

[wise solstice]

Real

[haughty lagoon]

Right, it is plugging something worse, but that's only if the hole has no way to be fixed, but she's been aware of it all along, saying it's something she wasn't sure existed (either wally, or some other entity), if it has to be physically plugged then there may be ways to do it which will in turn release the ZTZ, otherwise Yonta can just share her knowledge and allow some other vessel to do the jump

[livid glen]

I mean, isn't the hole in the Albrecht Membrane that the Zariman is plugging the same thing as what we fix in Void Flood mission but on a much, much bigger scale? I need to re-check the dialogue real quick.

[woven wedge]

Or we have Lotus' mom eat the sun

[livid glen]

Archimedean Yonta: "The Angels are tearing through the Albrecht membrane. Void is flooding in through the ruptures they've created."

I mean, doesn't really confirm that it's the same thing

But seeing as the Zariman is plugging a hole in the Albrecht Membrane

I guess in theory we could probably fix it

We would just need such an obsecene amount of Vitoplast it's probably easier to just... build a new solar relay and hope only the last Tau Relay was destroyed and not all of them.

[haughty lagoon]

As far as we know we'd need obscene amounts of vitoplast, but then again, Albrecht knows a thing or two on closing wally and cutting fingers (although, wasn't Euleria the one that closed the door/portal on Wally?) so I'd wager there may be another way aside the vitoplast.

Bet we'll see yet another plan from Albrecht, he was saying tau's on sight so he either planned for it, knew about it beforehand and had already made counterplans or he's like a Lotus counterpart, as in, while Lotus is spoon-feeding the Tenno their memories back slowly he just wants to skip ahead and go to the end of it all disregarding the Tenno's mind for his goal of balancing the scales

[livid glen]

I thought the portal to the void opened by Albrecht was closer to the one in Void Sabotage missions though, minus lacking the machine on the other side, I guess.

[prisma ingot]

True
That would imply the Tenno probably fought Adis or anyone afterwards

Trailer often hide some important parts like in 1999

[prisma ingot]

I'm thinking this part especially the dialogue will be a bit different when the old peace is release

[haughty lagoon]

yep, it should be, still the Entratis were the main (or initial) researchers on void tech but repurposing that for future endeavors sounds like what Albrecht would do, and while thinking about it, Euleria herself, bah, Gomaitru could also jump on to the wagon with more info

One of the biggest unknowns to me is Dagath herself, bah, grandmother, she knows so much more than she lets on, wife (or ex-wife idc) of Albrecht, still remembers pretty much everything, holds the family together, can't recall now but I'd bet she actually knows of the sanctum, I mean, it would be in line with her character thus far

[livid glen]

Pretty sure Grandmother is from Father's side

Not Albrecht's wife or ex-wife

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, she’s the mother of Father and mother-in-law of Mother (gods these names)

[haughty lagoon]

Ahh you're right, at least everything indicates that, well, there goes another plot hole for DE to fill later on, we'll get a whole background on how Albrecht married for political gain but then fell in love with whomever his wife was (eternism, it was Lloid all along but aptly named Lloidina, the small girl Varzia references sometimes when talking to her, JK)

[delicate lagoon]

Do you think by the end of this entire arc, we get to decide if we spare or kill Aberect? Considering that Loid wants to find him, but other people wanna kill him

[graceful zodiac]

Albrecht is almost certainly gonna be dead

He's a screaming death flag for "noble sacrifice"

[steep totem]

Probably be copyright issues, but I can see him charging the Indifference screaming "GLORIOUS PURPOSE!!!"

[livid glen]

Yeah, probably, but honestly I hope we do get to decide.

My only fear is that DE will end up writing him as a villain, which would be extremely lame and waste an amazing character.

[wicked iron]

I've seen him as a villain since we really met him in 1999, honestly lol

Ignoring how he uses and discards people, the gall of him to say love was the poison to The Man in the Wall's plan like he had any idea what love really is was a big nope for me.

[prisma ingot]

Also I wonder what Razul tarat Kanummu means

The fact that Lyon and Marie said it and then wally himself said those words afterwards( YouTube state it was voidtongue so it's definitely Wally)

[velvet bison]

has mar gulis always been said that way or was it once more go lis

[faint thunder]

Guys, what if Marie and Lyon aren't french. What if they were... ||Quebecois||?

[noble drift]

Then I would expect them to have their own, distinct and separate, syndicate.

[zenith jacinth]

Always margulis

[velvet bison]

mor go lis must be from something else then

[winged obsidian]

I think it’s spelled like that sometimes is because of the Orokin writing and pronunciation

[zinc ore]

Anyone else immediately think of this sentinel mask?? It made me really sad when I saw this sentient

[livid glen]

To be fair everything he has done was to defeat the Man in the Wall. He's doing these acts of Indifference so that we don't have to. Personally I will follow him through hell and back because I trust he's acting out of necessity.

But to be honest I was always more of a "ends justify the means" sort of person.

[proven goblet]

Based pfp.
Also yes

[wicked iron]

He abandoned his own daughter and grand children long before he ran to the past like that. 0/10 guy, as far as I am concerned. Then he tried to play the "oh woe is me" card while in Duviri and hearing her voice. He's a narcissist like Ballas, just done a bit differently.

Ends justifying the means was pretty much what Orokin society was predicated on. Of course, the ends for them were their own entertainment, lavish lifestyles, etc...

[zinc ore]

Right back atcha

[livid glen]

The main difference between him and Ballas (and the majority of Orokin really) is that he actually feels guilt. He regrets his acts, his accidental creation of Indifference. Yet he continues doing what he does because it's necessary. Take, for example, the Cavia - while it ultimately didn't work out, if it had dumbed down Wally as he hoped it would it would have been a major victory. Even as it stands, the Cavia are successful running the operations to prevent Murmur from spreading, something Loid by himself would have found overwhelming.

[wicked iron]

I think he is good at pretending he regrets and feels guilt. His actions don't show that he genuinely does.

He is as much of a manipulator of people and events as Ballas was.

[livid glen]

Right, but unlike Ballas, he does this because he truly believes it ultimately benefits everyone. We don't quite know enough about the Indifference yet, but I doubt that Albrecht's actions are based solely on speculation.

[graceful zodiac]

That really feels pretty disingenuous then

Like, we have no reason to think he'd be lying in his own personal notes

[wicked iron]

I don't think he really cares if it benefits anyone, honestly. It sure doesn't benefit all the lives he abandons and destroys in his pursuits.

[wicked iron]

We know he went to Duviri to prepare it for his war, and that includes talking giving instruction to the Drifter and Dominus. No reason he wouldn't lie if it was something we would find later (as we did) to try to convince us to go along with him.

[livid glen]

They are all still alive, no? I think that's a major improvement over living in a giant voidstorm (based on the Void Angel actions in the Zariman) or worse.

[wicked iron]

Not all the people he killed by spreading the Techrot, and his own family didn't survive because of his actions. They almost got wiped out.

His actions didn't prevent them becoming Infected or their near deaths.

[graceful zodiac]

Then as I say again, the take feels disingenuous.

[livid glen]

The Entrati family became Infested due to Son and, in a way, Belric and Rania, while the citizens of hollavania would have either been infected, killed by Scaldra, or from Radiation poisoning when the first Radiation War started.

[wicked iron]

I don't think that was necessarily the first radiation war, but we don't have more information on that. It was just a reactor meltdown. I also don't trust that it wasn't his doing in the first place, honestly lol

[livid glen]

No, not the reactor. There is a Kim chat that says the Techrot becomes a global problem so humanity tries to solve it with nukes, starting the first Radiatian War.

[wicked iron]

I have no trust in someone who says something so foolish as "if I am to be a devil, then at least let me be an honest one," (or whatever the exact quote was) because there is no such thing. His constant lying and duplicity is evidence enough, I'd say. He certainly isn't being honest.

[wicked iron]

Ahh, gotcha.

[livid glen]

My interpretation is that he's being honest to himself. He knows he's commiting atrocities. He knows he falling into Indifference himself. But he also knows that if he doesn't, what has to be done may never happen. If there is one word to describe Albrecht, it's Necessity.

[wicked iron]

I disagree. I view him as a bringer of disease and death that the past, present, and future need to be rid of. He still has that old and rotted Orokin mindset fully at work within him. I honestly think we have a better chance of working things out with The Man in the Wall than with Albrecht and all his meddling.

I liked him when we only had the lore about him (including at the clock in Deimos), but not after seeing how he is in person.

[livid glen]

Personally I think that looking at the small, personal encounters like that risks loosing sight of the bigger picture - yes, he brought pain to many of those around him, but it all ended up being in favour of stopping the Indifference. The lives of the few cannot outweigh the lives of the many.

As to talking with the Great Indifference

[wicked iron]

I truly think that little of Albrecht right now, that I believe we have a better chance with a truly inhuman and unknowable entity like The Man in the Wall. I honestly dislike his character so much, that I would rather The Man in the Wall win (if he can't be reasoned with).

[wicked iron]

I think that's a very dangerous mindset that a great many people all over the world have tried to put into action throughout history.

Both real history and in Warframe's lol

[charred mauve]

I think its also worth pointing out that every single group of people that Albrecht has interacted with has been on the brink of collapse by the time we get there.

[livid glen]

I think we don't know enough about Wally to come to a conclusion. I think, if he could be reasoned with (withought sacrificing humanities scientific progress with the void), Albrecht would have tried.

He has too much invested not too.

[wicked iron]

Albrecht was too driven by fear from that first, brief encounter to try, I think. And even if he can't be reasoned with, again, I would prefer he win instead of Albrecht lol

[livid glen]

If he can't be reasoned with than Albrecht's fears are justified, St which point I would truly prefer living in Narmer (ew) than perish in the non-linear Void hell that would become.

Ofcourse, if he can be reasoned, that's different

[wicked iron]

I'm of the opposite mind. I'd rather the Void happen than Albrecht getting his way. That's how much I dislike him from that one line he said, that he had the gall to say, after abandoning his own daughter and grandchildren. I honestly feel like even his "affection" for Loid is likely fake, just to have manipulated him for so long.

[livid glen]

His affection for Loid is unlikely to be fake 'cause he still showed it (and was mimiced) with Wally in 1999 before the Drifter tried to save him

[wicked iron]

I honestly don't trust him enough to think he really loves or cares for anything aside from himself and his own ego. I just see too many parallels with Ballas in how they both operate.

[livid glen]

But then why is Albrecht doing this?

What would be his selfish motive?

[livid glen]

I really don't think Albrecht is doing this thinking only of himself because what does he gain?

[steep totem]

Albrecht has at least one thing going for him there
He never once brainwashed someone into mimicking his dead lover

[wicked iron]

What doesn't he? He made crazy technological leaps to go back to Warframe's 1999, as opposed to an Eternalism version. He also has practically unlimited people to experiment on for ultimately unknown ends (the Protoframes seem wholly unnecessary since we were being led to the past, and he had a way to sync our present arsenal with the past). Who knows what he could really be seeking for himself, with all the highly unnecessary things he seems to be doing.

[livid glen]

The protoframes were probably a back-up for if the Drifter didn't get the Arsenal, on top of signalling out a few key people the Drifter could attach themselfs to rather than a faceless crowd of civilians.

Also a conceptually embodied world would be in the Void, making a pretty poor way of escaping Wally.

[wicked iron]

Eternalism universes aren't conceptually embodied. They exist in real space, but different versions of it that are theoretically accessible through the Void.

[steep totem]

You mean the Void where the Wall Man lives?

[graceful zodiac]

You can blame him for how Mother ended up, the travesty of the rest of the family is fully on herself and Father

[steep totem]

Sounds like a great place to travel through when your trying to escape that particular entity

[livid glen]

We've never seen proof that they are accessible, though, and it would once again require passage through the Void.

[wicked iron]

He clearly doesn't have absolute authority over it right now. We can beat him in Duviri, and in the part of the Zariman that is in the Void.

[wicked iron]

Eleanor can communicate with other versions of herself, which is a big first step, I'd say.

My point was more about the technological leap he made to truly go back in time in that way and to that degree, though.

[livid glen]

But are those places really safer than a paradoxical loop that (seemingly) doesn't require touching the Void?

[livid glen]

Seeing telepathic messages that could have also been hallucinations hardly count, on top of still needing to touch the Void.

[wicked iron]

Doesn't a time loop require Void energy to work? When we travel to the past on Lua, it's through Void rifts. When time is reversed by Drifter, it is with Void power.

[steep totem]

...I don't think we know that, actually
It might not

[livid glen]

Perhaps. That's why I added "seemingly", since we can't tell yet.

[hearty pendant]

iirc its assumed that he used the reactor's explosion to power the loop before we got there

[steep totem]

That would make sense

[livid glen]

My theory is that 1999's explosion would have prevented the Techrot from becoming a global problem, thus no Orokin and no Wally, creating a Paradox that would slow down Wally as he's still trapped to the strand of khra due to his finger.

[hearty pendant]

possibly, but we don't know if the techrot was in other places, just undetected or hidden

[wicked iron]

The Techrot wasn't only in Hollvania, though.

[azure solar]

to be fair he gave us his powers while albricht shot us in the head

[wicked iron]

If they did it like in Dark Sector, it also exists in the deep ocean, lying dormant. Or maybe awakened by the time of 1999, honestly. Hard to be sure.

[wicked iron]

Also this, yes lol

[livid glen]

He shot us in the head to restart the loop, it was for our benefit.

[wicked iron]

Or just for his plans.

We're only in 1999 because of him, anyway.

[hearty pendant]

minor, but it was the stomach, no?

[livid glen]

Meh, I guess we don't have enough info. I was under the impression techrot originated in hollvania, but I could be wrong.

[wicked iron]

Yeah. XD

[steep totem]

Meaning Saya's Vision is also one big Dark Sector reference
LOL

[wicked iron]

Basically lol

[azure solar]

hes willing to try to kill us to get what he wants

[livid glen]

And I'm fine with that because the alternative is everyone dying.

[steep totem]

And what he wants is the Wall Man dead and/or gone
I say that's a fair trade, but I don't like Eldrich entities

Especially ones that offer deals

[azure solar]

he even says us forming relationships was a means to his ends "i needed your heart to grow-the only way it does- with others"

[graceful zodiac]

That was also with the explicit caveat of restarting the time loop

[livid glen]

Yes, but because it's literally in our own interests- and the interests of everyone else.

[graceful zodiac]

He wouldn't risk us in any other case

[wicked iron]

The information we have about Techrot is that the outbreak in Hollvania is "one of the earliest" known outbreaks. That implies to me it isn't the first.

[azure solar]

did he even know we could do that though? or was he just trying to stop us from getting through

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, he's well aware Drifter is part of the loop

[steep totem]

Might be, might not be
Like most diseases, it's probably the most famous outbreaks that have the longest surviving records

[livid glen]

Getting through to what..?

[azure solar]

or more likely is the first but not the only one

[graceful zodiac]

It's the entire point of everything in 1999

Drifter using the time loop to connect with the Hex

[azure solar]

through with the mission of stopping the reactor

[hearty pendant]

even if drifter didn't restart the loop, the reactor was still going to explode, i believe
going off of the previous assumption that he used the reactor to power the loop, it was going to loop anyway

[azure solar]

so he just shot us in the head for fun then

[livid glen]

We literally failed at that before he shot us, that's the entire point of resting the loop and getting to know the Hex better, exactly what he wants.

[livid glen]

From my understanding, he wanted the Drifter to loop it, the reactor would just be the backup.

[real niche]

The reactor isn't a backup, he needed it to explode to escape. Albrecht was feeling nice to help Drifter save them by extending the loop and keeping it going

[night grail]

No I'm pretty sure he wanted the drifter to do that the entire time

Because it was only AFTER saving them that the Kalymos Sequence was completed

[lunar tendon]

Are the hex dates exclusive, or is it safe to romance all of them

[hearty pendant]

one at a time

[lunar tendon]

but all eventually?

[hearty pendant]

if you break up or reset, sure

[lunar tendon]

oh, hmmm

that sucks Ive been flirting with all of them

if you reset do you have to do all the chats daily again

[hearty pendant]

yeah

[lunar tendon]

and how does breaking up work?

[hearty pendant]

talk to them in the mall, pick the break up option, confirm
they'll be mad for a bit
sometimes the other hex as well
or picking certain options in KIM will end it immediately

[lunar tendon]

god that feels bad lmfao

I want to date 2 specifically but one isnt available yet and the other one is straight up asking if I want to go out with them haha

genuinely not sure what to do

[balmy storm]

Date one of them and either break up or reset later

[lunar tendon]

I dont wanna make them sad ;_;

[balmy storm]

Yeahh

Resetting them won’t do that technically

[lunar tendon]

I mean will breaking up with them have lasting consequences?

or can I come crawling back later lmfao

[hearty pendant]

they won't date you again without an apology that has to come up in KIM
and i think Arthur won't date you if you break up with Aoi or Eleanor? but unsure where i heard that
so there's some links

[lunar tendon]

but nothings permanent? if thats the case then I dont mind dating them one by one

[hearty pendant]

if you run out of convos, you can't apologize
but at that point, you can still just reset

[lunar tendon]

alright sick ty

thanks for helping me with the ethics of fake dating virtual people from 26 years ago

[hearty pendant]

lmao yeah 👍

[lunar tendon]

wait huhhhh

I left her on read and when I came back it just starting a different convo

missed my shot anyway

[balmy storm]

Yeah it’ll do that if you relog iirc

[lunar tendon]

will that convo ever come around again?

[balmy storm]

Yes

It should
Especially if you choose the setting so all convos can happen

[humble coral]

do all amps for drifter look like sirocco or am i crazy

this is my first custom amp

[hearty pendant]

yeah amps on drifter look like sirocco
they have the proper custom pieces on operator tho

[humble coral]

damn

that stinks...

[balmy storm]

We desperately need a new skin for amps on drifter

[livid glen]

We desperately need new Amp skins in general 'cause none of them look good to be honest.

[rain otter]

Turn on all conversations on.

[lunar tendon]

Where

[rain otter]

Gear in kim computer

[lunar tendon]

Ty

[dim niche]

Some tennos out there are really tennos😳

[gilded gazelle]

Wth.

[hearty pendant]

apollo giving the gift of prophecy to random internet users

[robust swallow]

half n half cat

[runic flame]

When they do the operator overhaul are they gonna give us new markings I couldn't find the one from the new peace demo

[livid glen]

Hopefully, don't think anything has been said about that yet

[tight pagoda]

The Operator in the demo had some sort of Somatic Scarring on them, and it looked quite smooth

[uncut ocean]

I have a feeling that we’re not getting missions/content in Tau in the Old Peace and that it will exclusively be seen in the old peace quest until 2026

Because it 1. Doesn’t really make sense to me to have new + old Tau playable at the same time and 2. there has to be a reason there’s also a 1999 expansion with the Devil’s Triad
It gives me big WitW 1999 section but for an entire quest instead of just a small segment

IDK if its been stated for or against, but that’s just what the vibes are for me

[plush swan]

This just occurred to me:

We haven't seen the third new (Thirteenth) Protoframe.

What if they're an existing character?

[livid glen]

It's 99% going to be Uriel

[noble drift]

possible, but most people are expecting Uriel

or do you mean the "person" who was protoframed...

[plush swan]

That one.

I agree with the Uriel Protoframe bit, though

[opaque dove]

Can’t wait to get Lyon. Gonna use him and the Reliquary skin so much

[noble drift]

not sure what options we have for existing people. Does it have to be a 1999 person? Probably not Viktor, he'll be staying as the face for the Scaldra I expect.

They've said romancible, so I think they'd have a player revolt if they used Entrati, also he has more important things to be doing.

[plush swan]

Uriel is male, which cuts off a bunch of possibilities

[livid glen]

I wouldn't mind a romanceable entrati

[opaque dove]

No

[noble drift]

there's always one

[plush swan]

Love triangle

[noble drift]

but I figure most of the rest of the fanbase either hates his guts and wants him dead, or wants him to patch things up and get back with Loid.

[opaque dove]

Seeing as Albrecht’s is an orokin, he’s likely old as balls

[livid glen]

I can share with Loid

[plush swan]

Condemned to torment, [Uriel's] return begs of the Origin System questions of forgiveness and redemption.

[opaque dove]

All I know is we got Priest man and Nun wisp

No doubt Marie’s Gemini is gonna be extremely popular

[plush swan]

Of course, it's also possible that the third Protoframe doesn't come with Devil's Triad for some reason

And might be the shroomFrame, or the Old Peace Frame

[opaque dove]

Thatd just be stupid

[plush swan]

Oh, wait, it looks like Uriel is the Old Peace Frame:

A new Warframe and two new Protoframes (Harrow and Wisp) will also arrive with The Old Peace in 2025.

Come face to face with a devilish new Warframe, Uriel, and continue onto the trail of Albrecht Entrati in a new side story: The Devil's Triad. Can the Orokin ever be forgiven? Someone searches for an answer.

Which makes sense.

Four Frames per year, and we've got:

• Temple
• Oraxia
• [shroomFrame]
• Uriel

[opaque dove]

My question Is when is the shroomFrame happening

[livid glen]

Fall update

[zenith jacinth]

Soon

[livid glen]

So probably october, I think

[opaque dove]

This is random, but I hope the update brings us some new shotguns

[zenith jacinth]

When I think mushroom weapon I think shotgun so imo it'd be fitting

[opaque dove]

I mean, the sporelacer was a shotgun esque kitgun barrel

[zenith jacinth]

Well it's more like a grenade launcher

[opaque dove]

Also the amount of infested shotguns we have is a grand total of 2(3 counting bubonico)

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think funguyframe will necessarily be infested

[azure solar]

dont break up with aoi- then they all get pissed

[zenith jacinth]

Speaking from experience?

[azure solar]

aoi...

[azure solar]

feels the weight of my age

[azure solar]

"oh how much i love you drifter- now die horribly please- your actions inconvienience me" sounds about right for someone who was exposed to the orokin empire

[azure solar]

...maybe

[plush swan]

... wait, what?

[obtuse gyro]

In like a more than normal way

[plush swan]

Ohhh

[obtuse gyro]

like on the way the infested weapons like sporelacer are infested

[zenith jacinth]

Seriously

[gentle cape]

im back after a month of not playing &. is isleweaver supposed to be a short quest or....??

[hybrid dust]

So is my clan the only one that didnt get their gold trophy from the operation eight claws? Cause I got mine up there but I didn't get it. Only got up to silver

[zenith jacinth]

Not a quest

[winged obsidian]

Isleweaver isn’t a quest, but a new mode for Duviri. There is hidden codexes and more bits of lore in there. There is also a hidden Oraxia prex card as well

[fierce kiln]

i liked the theory that the only way to save rusalka from both the rot and wally would be to turn her into a frame

[hybrid dust]

Neci does have the rage of a Valkyr frame. Be surprised if she ends up being Valkyr Protoframe if we do somehow save her

[fierce kiln]

or she becomes shroomframe but what would also fit her would be bike frame

[ocean lichen]

g

[gentle cape]

minerva yanked him away from the keyboard 😭😭

[ocean lichen]

velimir managed to send one of the best message of all KIM conversations before he got the yoinky

on par with arthur chucking gasoline canisters

[rain otter]

The fact Arthur talks about that is funny.

[zenith jacinth]

No, wally does

[noble drift]

not sure I want Wallyframe

[cerulean kiln]

Best I can offer: Qorvex

[ocean lichen]

concrete man

[wicked iron]

That was such a great cosplay. XD

[soft pumice]

a lot of them where amazing. i still rember the florda corpus troopers

[undone lodge]

“Sorry dear, but all your independence and personal strength just really puts a dampen on things, don’t you think?”

“No, wha-”

gets attacked by Dax

[runic flame]

That's why I asked it looks really good and it would be cool to get new markings

[unique mural]

is there a video summing up basically warframe's entire lore

[ionic cloak]

I personally like Brozime's one
tho is a bit old, so we got some new infos here and there

[polar sail]

me waiting for fungusframe

[viral kettle]

The Drifters Camp turns into a settlement by Kahl?? this is the best

[tawny sierra]

Do yall think uriel is going to be another fire frame (i hope not we have like 6 based on fire) or some other element

[tight pagoda]

I mean, from the looks of it, he's either Fire, Slash, or Puncture

Just off his physical design, at least

[fluid mirage]

Isn’t Ivara or Sayrn close to a fungus with one of their skins?

[hearty pendant]

fire would be in line with "devil frame"
but we also just got temple

[balmy storm]

Saryn
Ivara isn’t a mushroom

[polar sail]

possibly. but like, fungusframe. not a skin but an entire warframe

[balmy storm]

Finally a full fungal frame

[polar sail]

exactly

[boreal pewter]

I didn’t know Aya was related to Ayatan Sculptures and Stars but it kinda makes sense.

The only thing is we can’t make stars out of aya ingame, so I’m guessing that’s lost orokin tech or something.

And even though in universe it was done, it’s a weird economic downgrade to turn a material that can give warframe and weapon BPs into something that’s worth petty endo,

[drifting sparrow]

speaking of endo, do we even know what endo actually is? i know it's used to upgrade mods and shi but like wtf is it actually

[boreal pewter]

Required for fusion of mods, maybe an energy source

[plush swan]

It would be very weird if Uriel wasn't associated with fire, but I suppose he might wind up with abilities that don't center around dealing damage.

[plush swan]

"Hey shiny, you know about Endo, right? Those particles you use to boost your mods? Well, the Orokin must share your fascination with it."
-- Maroo

Concentrated energy used to Fuse and upgrade Mods. Can be found in missions, Dissolved from Mods, or extracted from Ayatans.

[runic flame]

Yeah there's a couple of videos that are 1-2 hours but I also recommend the warframe 101 lore videos even though they aren't as caught up

[uncut ocean]

Endo is broken down from ayatan treasures.
In a kim conversation, it’s explained that ayatan treasures are essentially VCRs and that ayatan stars are tapes composed of memories. They were used by orokin to store their most favorite, gruesome memories as a showpiece
So, my theory is that endo is traumatic memory juice.

Which would make sense, trauma is how creatures generally get stronger/be more suitable to survival. So I don’t think its that far off

[winged sandal]

do we know what Albrecht is up to post 99?

[hearty pendant]

"tau is in sight"

beyond that, no

[boreal pewter]

Him saying that implies it’s an advanced step in his plan that may have been difficult before that moment

[frail parcel]

Maybe he'll actually change and finally give his boyfriend the love he deserves

[smoky schooner]

I have thought about how Eternalism applies to The Hex quest and both endings, the only one of which Albrecht shows up in being Ending 2 "Bad End" to shoot Amir and yourself.
Ending 1 being from the beginning of the quest where it is unclear if the Hex were at the reactor or not as it goes up.
Ending 2 is the first one you get playing.
Ending 3 is the true ending after you do all that bonding with the Hex. Despite a voiceover, Albrecht is nowhere to be seen.
Ending 4 is hypothetical, being that even with the bonding, you still somehow fail to stop the reactor from going up.

[balmy storm]

It’s not eternalism, just a loop

Albrecht made the loop
Drifter can reset the loop
They can do that as many times as needed

[rain otter]

i mean you can also just have it as your default login.

[lunar adder]

I replayed The New War quest and I got some epic screenshots alongside my crisis operator.

[wild wind]

legitimately the best animation they've ever done

[fathom nexus]

I think Archon Shards are made from Adis.

[unique mural]

trans operator moment

[lunar adder]

huh

[runic flame]

Does anyone else think their operator sounds different recently I swear my operator has a deaper voice than the one I selected

[fluid mirage]

I think that would be because they swapped the old operator VA’s with the current drifter ones

[wicked iron]

I think Osse is saying your Operator looks female while your Drifter looks male.

[cosmic prawn]

I miss the old Raven.

[velvet bison]

can we get the jade buff that we got just the power of making melee like excalibers 4th

or stalkers 4th is the same but with hate instead of the blade?

[cerulean kiln]

Ask DE

[opaque dove]

Can’t forget “Can the Orokin be forgiven?”

[velvet bison]

when you do the treasure in the glass back when it came out could you take down that big beast thing? i just did it with my gun and bad shotgun did take a bit of time tho

as im guessing that quest was before the new war and what not

sorry quest was called syas vigil

[astral jackal]

What does he mean by the final message?
Kinda trying to think of what he means, but all for naught

[azure solar]

it may be a lower quality of condensed memory like aya

[azure solar]

you remember the message from elanor about her special burgers?

[plush swan]

Eleanor isn't Libertatian, tho

[undone lodge]

What rank are you?

IIRC isn’t Vel libertatian?

[opaque dove]

Amir, Minerva, Velimir, Kaya and Flare are Libertatian, Quincy and the Nightingale twins are Britannic, and I forget what the in universe version of where Lettie is from is called

[plush swan]

Yeah, I think it's a reference to Velimir's convo:

PapaPolar: "hey, maybe it'll be better fried. everything's better fried. and on a stick."
PapaPolar: "that's the other libertatian delicacy, y'know. deep fried everything shoved inside other things, usually covered in butter, on a stick"

[undone lodge]

Ah

I figured it was a reference to the bbq

[opaque dove]

I Wonder what Vel Fried

[plush swan]

PapaPolar: you'd serve me my own set of Stony Mountain Meatballs
PapaPolar: (which i've had once, btw. not that bad, honestly. but everything is good fried.)
PapaPolar: (let me clarify by saying that they were not MY stony mountain meatballs, i was off on location in-)
PapaPolar: (this story has gotten away from me again, hasn't it)

[undone lodge]

VFC
Velmir Fried ‘Cyte

[opaque dove]

Of course they have an equivalent to Rocky Mountain oysters

[plush swan]

Eleanor and Velimir should team up for the team cookout.

[opaque dove]

*Arthur

[plush swan]

Eleanor's burgers are more... exciting

[opaque dove]

Yeah…

[plush swan]

Arthur can work with Aoi and Amir to bring pizza

[azure solar]

that would definatly be an interesting way for the technocyte to spread...

[azure solar]

i dunno about you but i dont want elanors tongue shavings in my mouth

[opaque dove]

I haven’t let Arthur forget the spaghetti incident

[plush swan]

The "A" trio bringing the Italian food.

[opaque dove]

so chewy

[plush swan]

Or whatever they have instead of Italy in the Warframe universe

[noble drift]

Venice took over, decided the entire peninsula should have canals everywhere, and it sank. Now they have the Holy Sea. /jk

[leaden breach]

so, as a Joke about our next story line
Operator having a More and More Space Trauma
Drifter just Building a Friend group and having fun in 1999

[lunar adder]

oh

[rain otter]

I mean yeah

[leaden breach]

My Drifter is just gonna Build a Private Military Company with our Protoframes, call it Veridos Kubrows

[cerulean kiln]

What happened to your eye?

[leaden breach]

Some Kavat Obsessed gunslinger shot me in the eye

[runic flame]

👀 (me who uses Mesa as one of my mains and only uses my kavat)

[undone lodge]

The Hollvania Crew drinking together for their 23rd New Years celebration.

Meanwhile with the Operator

“I miss him so much Loid”

[leaden breach]

"Loid, He stabbed me in the chest after killing the Lotus, again"

I still feel like Ballab will ruin Tau, for some reason

[undone lodge]

This implies that the Operator is the BB equiva- wait.

…in a way, New War is kinda like a weird rushed Warframe version. Even has a Necramech for the Metal Gear

[undone lodge]

Oh absolutely

[leaden breach]

Lotus, Im already a Demon.

[undone lodge]

He was out for blood after he killed Margulis, no way he isn’t somehow involved in things being stirred up

[runic flame]

You guys think the devils triad will be released in the winter update?

[leaden breach]

might be Fall, We just don't know

[ionic cloak]

with the old peace
but will be a entrati side quest

[thick jolt]

Unlikely to be fall imo, just because the tennocon recap page had the fall update separate, and dveils triad was under the "old peace" header

[azure solar]

WHY DID HE THINK MAKING IT A CUBE WOULD BE OK- i mean he doesnt get out of his head much but sheesh

[opaque dove]

Drifter mentioned Zariman food, Arthur says he’d try making something similar, went a little too heavy on the gelatin.

Drifter is disturbed by how chewy it was

He was trying to do a nice thing, but it ended being horrible

[azure solar]

oh i remember how it went

but like... it could have been so much better with a little bit of forethought

[quick smelt]

Are they metal and solid?

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-big-boss-gif-12248663

[quick smelt]

“Loid, I made him cry. Why did I make him cry?”

[lunar adder]

holy we have almost the same outfit

[runic flame]

I replayed the new war and I'm a little disappointed that I couldn't change the name for lotus it would be a cool feature in the lotus customization to be able to select what name you want to show up instead of the name being permanent

[tight pagoda]

They tell you it's permanent for a reason

[zenith jacinth]

Average warframe player reading comprehension strikes again

[opaque dove]

Why I choose Lotus(I’m a neutral choice prick. Except a few things)

[leaden breach]

I use Margulas for Model and Chose Natah as her Name

i am an Enigma

[devout herald]

I heard the Natah model looks bad in the comms.

[cerulean kiln]

It does

[leaden breach]

also, Margulas sounds way Better than All the others in my Opinion

[zenith jacinth]

They all sound the same just with different levels of staticy filter intensity

[amber terrace]

I like the lotus because it’s easier to explain to people I show Warframe clips to, that and she’s classic space mom

[winged obsidian]

I chose Lotus because she has always been there since the beginning of the start of this game. I do like Margulis and Natah, but Lotus will always be the true space mom imo

[amber terrace]

Exactly!! You see the vision

[tight pagoda]

Same, for me Margulis and Natah weren't "her". She was born Natah, made to pretend to be Margulis, but she chose to be the Lotus

Personally I use the Eidolon skin too. because it still has elements of Natah to it— the Radiant skin almost feels like she's 'rejecting' her past in a way

But imo the skin itself is a bit disorientating outside of mission chatter, so when I know she's gonna appear in the story physically (like Lotus Eaters and eventually with The Old Peace), I use the Radiant skin

[winged obsidian]

Also I think my favorite thing about the choice itself is for one, the Operator or Drifter aren’t choosing for her, we are her in that moment of her choice who she wants to continue as. And what makes it even better is that technically any choice can be righty explained without putting it down as “Margulis is a bad because of this”. Any choice is good because of how it can be explained. Natah is her when she was born and is her true Sentient self. Margulis is that part that helped her to understand in human empathy. Lotus is her of her own making after her Sentient origin and that empathic nature of what Margulis had. And what I even love more is that the choice doesn’t throw away Natah or Margulis either. They still exist in Lotus and I do love that because without Natah’s beginnings or the struggling journey of Margulis, she would never had become Lotus we know and love today.

[tight pagoda]

Yes, absolutely. All choices are valid, your reasons for choosing it are valid.

[supple igloo]

I just got the good ending for all members of the roundtable! Yay!

[amber terrace]

Did you find Kaya?

[rancid condor]

Both adventures into manipulated truth. Do not believe what's happening in either story thread. Plugging into Lotus after Lotus Eaters is pretty much insanity.

People seem to think the end of Whispers was some kind of victory of compassion over indifference, but it wasn't. We taught the man in the wall how to impersonate emotional compassion. The poison of its plan is love - as camoflage. Started with the autism tests in Chains. That wasn't Rell, it was wally impersonating him. Now wally is working through Lotus, pushing Drifter to "1999" and seemingly Operator to "Tau"

We already had a peek at where this arc was going with the veils in TNW

The choice system began at the same time as when we discovered wally - those choices are what we're teaching it

It will undoubtedly use that profiling against us at some point

[rancid condor]

And now it has all of our KIM data too

Like how Caleb gets manipulated in the film Ex Machina

Just as our choices led to "hey kiddo", lotus' choices led to "VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?" I wonder if that is her "little bengel" equivalent.

[hearty pendant]

i feel like that's all a pretty big leap
1999 is in the timeline's past. the coda get to the future, ||as does kaya||, so i'm not sure why you have 1999 in quotes like that
and we don't have much reason to suspect lotus is any different, in regards to memory-diving tau.
not sure what you're talking about with the veils, those were last arc and a purely narmer thing. the void n wally had nothing to do with them

[hearty pendant]

what?

[rancid condor]

It's quite literally not 1999 it's a fictional alternate reality

[winged obsidian]

It is. They literally say it’s the far past. One of the earliest recorded of the Infested outbreak

[hearty pendant]

where is this said?
as opposed to numerous things saying the opposite?

[rancid condor]

For heavens sake. LITERALLY

1999 didnt have techrot

[hearty pendant]

1999 was known as the plague year long before albrecht ever traveled there

sounds like techrot to me

[rancid condor]

Y'all forgot reality too

[ionic cloak]

and I say there's no other "timeline" besides the operator and the drifter

not anymore atleast

[winged obsidian]

Also I don’t think Lotus is aligned with Wally in any way shape or form. She’s fighting against the Indifference mentality, which is why she’s kinda distant after Lotus Eaters and why Drifter is sent to 1999 (plus the dating aspect of that section as well)

[rancid condor]

Trying and failing

[hearty pendant]

huh?

[balmy storm]

There are but they aren’t really accessible or relevant

[winged obsidian]

I’m actually confused

[rancid condor]

The literal year 1999 from real life lol.

[hearty pendant]

obviously warframe's 1999 isn't our real 1999

[balmy storm]

Nah real life had techrot, I was there

[hearty pendant]

its a base, not the same thing

[balmy storm]

You just missed it

[ionic cloak]

based on the new war scene where op and drifter shake hands + the dialogues from isleweaver I don't think there are tho
but that's me

[rancid condor]

Before tennocon whispers reveal there was no reason to believe warframe was in an alternate timeline, just the future

[winged obsidian]

They all died that’s why. Thanks to Wally. Drifter and Operator are the only ones who took the deal from what I remember

[balmy storm]

Kaya says otherwise, but again they aren’t accessible or relevant

[hearty pendant]

this is the most nothing sentence i've seen

[ionic cloak]

fair enough
I've not dived that much into the KIM dialogues

[balmy storm]

I wish warframe was real

[winged obsidian]

I’ll recheck Kaya’s dialogue if I ever reset to confirm that because I don’t remember her mentioning that at all

[rancid condor]

Thematics are the point of storytelling. You don't make up an alternate history without a damn good reason. And that reason was not to complete the backstory because all it did was make the backstory make less sense

[winged obsidian]

My memory is crap anyway so I need a refresher

[balmy storm]

She mentions the techrot in variant timelines and how it’s spreading

[winged obsidian]

OH ok i think ive seen that but im not sure

[mental echo]

"Before i went to mcdonalds, there was no reason to believe that wendy's had chickent sandwhiches"

[balmy storm]

Kaya: "So far, there's a Techrot outbreak in every single variant timeline. It's like it's… spreading."

Other timelines exist they just aren’t really relevant or accessible :)

Like Eleanor even interacts with a variant of herself

[rancid condor]

Believe it or not multiverses are not a default of storytelling, they are ALWAYS a narrative device used for comparison

[ionic cloak]

nono
I mean, eternalism is a thing sure sure
but not for the operator/drifter anymore
they don't exist anymore in any other timeline, that's what I consider

[balmy storm]

Oooh, yeah possibly :)

[hearty pendant]

making up an alternate history was probably to not have to worry about real-world events. they could do and parallel whatever in its isolated bubble
that doesn't mean its a strand of khra or void manifestation whatever. that's just easier for story

[mental echo]

yeah but theres no reason to believe that warframe now is analternate timeline before or even after the events of the whispers tennocon

nothing suggests it

[balmy storm]

I mean without Wally we don’t escape one way or the other
It’s just in one the Drifter alone was left behind

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, plus I can see Techrot infesting actual timelines. They’re pretty weird. And yeah Eleanor is actually proof of other timelines. Now we need to get them to revive more of our Operators so we’ll have an army against Wally

[balmy storm]

Lmao

[ionic cloak]

that's what I consider on the scene on TNW + isleweaver dialogues
not that all timelines got evaporated

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-assemble-avengers-avengers-endgame-squad-teamwork-gif-14751505

All operators and drifters

[balmy storm]

Wally def is eating timelines though too

[winged obsidian]

LMAO yes. We need the Kaya and Eleanor team up

[balmy storm]

Iirc he wants 1999 to feed on the possibilities since it’s such a pivotal piece of Earth’s history

[balmy storm]

MY GIRLS
ADD YONTA IN THERE TOO

[winged obsidian]

Yes! And add Lyon. Harrow has dealt with Wally so maybe this funny priest can do something too

[balmy storm]

He def knows something cause he’s been in contact with Albrecht

I hope Drifter will talk to them about Rell
Since we know Lyon is not connected to Rell

[tight pagoda]

"Voull Ne Xata Vok, Mara Lohk?" is directed to us. Other characters refer to us as Mara Lohk.

[balmy storm]

Though ig he does have a rell quote on his outfit??

[winged obsidian]

That would be cool tbh. Maybe like Drifter mentioning Operator talking about Rell to them

[balmy storm]

Yeee

[tight pagoda]

I'd be surprised if there aren't any chats with Lyon that talk about Rell/Harrow

[balmy storm]

I wonder if Marie is a Nun for Sol or Lua
Since
Wisp is literally connected to the sun lol

[tight pagoda]

Out of all Protoframes, besides Temple, Harrow probably has the most lore attached to him

[balmy storm]

True
Him and technically Excal

Ig all of Temple’s lore is Flare’s lore too

[tight pagoda]

Omg ofc, how could I forget poster-child

[balmy storm]

Mr poster boy

[tight pagoda]

Yep, I'm assuming Uriel will get KIM chat lore too. Interestingly, despite Cyte being a 'new' Warframe, we didn't talk too much about him with Quincy. I guess because his history was erased and all

[balmy storm]

To expand on this
I only recall Lua having nuns but maybe Marie is the first of Sol?
And uh. The last?

[winged obsidian]

I believe she a Sol nun because in Lyon’s concept, they mentioned him being very moon themed, which makes sense tbh. She also has hair so maybe being a nun of Sol lets you be and a nun of Lua you have to shave? I’m honestly hoping we get more lore expanded on the whole religion in Warframe because it’s actually interesting

Wisp is like you said just straight up sun based

[balmy storm]

Yeah I’m excited for more on Dualism

New religion just dropped
Hop on board

[winged obsidian]

Same with Temple and Flare too!

[tight pagoda]

Temple's lore is Flare's lore, technically

[balmy storm]

We got a good bit with them actually by comparison to cyte

We just didn’t talk about Cyte at all
But Temple is Flare so their lore is the same

[winged obsidian]

My current theory on proto Uriel, who is most likely the third proto, will be an emo or goth. My third theory, he’s actually an On-lyne fan

[tight pagoda]

Though yeah, bulk of Flare's "lore chats" were more about the infestation too

[balmy storm]

I wonder if Uriel is both the name of the proto and the frame
Since Albrecht just says Uriel

[balmy storm]

Yeah, they’re the infested glamrock pyrotechnic frame B)

[tight pagoda]

I wonder if Proto-Uriel will be the original or not. It would sorta rehash the same ground as Temple/Flare though tbh

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, I wish we got more Cyte lore, but I guess makes sense because that Warframe literally disappeared as soon he was made

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[tight pagoda]

Before 1999 dropped, I was actually expecting Quincy to be the 'original' Cyte-09-- basically what we got with Flare/Temple instead

[balmy storm]

I’m so glad we didn’t get bootstraps

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, that’s what I’m curious. It’s definitely the frame’s name. Maybe some follower similar to like Lyon and Marie, but defy the Orokin and got devilish. I do hope they don’t rehash the Temple/Flare thing, but it can done right if they try again I guess

[tight pagoda]

Yeah I didn't want Arthur, Aoi, Amir, Eleanor, etc. to all just be the original Excal, Mag, Volt, Nyx, etc.

[winged obsidian]

I’m actually glad they didn’t do that

[tight pagoda]

Anywho, new pfp, got it from a pic from the Community museum at TennoCon

[winged obsidian]

That looks so beautiful!!

[tight pagoda]

I'd send a link to the full Brochure btw, but it's a google drive one and the link isn't supported

[fading current]

It’s interesting cuz in the promo she says “SOL and LUA, we will cleanse this follower” she’s praying to both.

[tight pagoda]

Tbf the faith is for both Lua and Sol

[fading current]

Yea but ducky was asking which one she was a nun for specifically

[tight pagoda]

I'm wondering if there's like, Sects or something. Like, Marie is a Solist, and Nun!Eleanor was a Lualist, and Lualism is a bit more monastic, hence the head-shaving

A monastic lifestyle for Lua would also tie into the 'alignment' chart of the gameplay-- reflection, absence of emotion, etc.

[balmy storm]

If she’s saying we then that includes Lyon
So one could be for Lua and one for Sol
But we’ll get more details on it in sure :)

[cobalt scroll]

Neci Kalymos

[tight pagoda]

Best girl

[runic flame]

When I played it the first time I had to rush through due to the switch freezing glitch

I did not know it was permanent when I chose

[cosmic prawn]

A dualistic faith feels like you just worship both, you don't really pick one over the other.

[lyric onyx]

yee sol and lua are principal gods. i believe wisp and harrow pray to both. Orokin is very roman inspired and in roman mythos both deities were important in religious practices, especially in relation to agriculture, am assuming its the same here.

[compact haven]

Yea, when it comes to pantheons/polytheistic religious sects each deity tends to have its own place and role within the beliefs.

[zenith jacinth]

Well sol and lua (the gods) predate the orokin

[lyric onyx]

i know, i only mentioned to orokin cause of entraiti's line before Uriel, proto Wisp and Harrow was shown. " In banishment, answer... can the orokin ever be forgiven ? "

[near cosmos]

Is devil's triad releasing alongside the old peace or nah?

[undone lodge]

Devil’s Triad tomorrow

[near cosmos]

Lol

[lyric onyx]

i believe so. the video description on YT says its coming alonside the old peace but it could be (DE)layed like the boy bands were.

[winged obsidian]

Yes, I believe it is

[near cosmos]

Would've loved it as like a filler thing between fall and old peace

[winged obsidian]

I think it’ll be similar like Jade’s Shadows. Like a meanwhile, and our Drifter is trying to deal with a priest and a nun, and probably the devil

[near cosmos]

Makes sense

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder when jade shadows being a main quest will become important

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe next arc

[winged obsidian]

I remember hearing somewhere it’ll eventually will.

I would love to know how Stalker is doing dealing with Orion/Sirius

[zenith jacinth]

Well duh

[near cosmos]

The kid's gonna be more powerful than any frame

Maybe like jack jack

[winged obsidian]

Omg lmaooo the baby is definitely like Jack Jack. Poor Stalker. Maybe that’s why he still hunts us down. He’s actually trying to take a break from the chaos of his kid

[near cosmos]

So... What's everyone's favourite secondary?

I hate priming so mine is laetum

[lyric onyx]

mine so far is the laetum, grimoire and kuva nukor and that new one that came with isleweaver. tho i still need to play with an bunch more lol

[zenith jacinth]

Lex incarnon

Torxica is rapidly climbing the ranking tho

[gilded stirrup]

I can’t believe DE were so nice that they gave us A ‘99-flavoured John Warframe build for the first half of the The Hex quest (Arthur + Loaned Excalibur, AX-52 for Braton, the Double-O7 pistol I forgot the name of for the Lato and A reskin of the Skana.)

[lime estuary]

I love Sicarus

[opaque dove]

Vesper-77

That’s the pistol

[gilded stirrup]

Ye, the double-O7 pistol! Thanks for reminding me (I just call it the double-O7 pistol because of the silencer barrel… Apparently silencers barely do anything to the noise A gun makes, although it does lessen it A tad…)

[exotic gate]

Well in real life they reduce the noise down quite a bit and remove the rapport of the shot at a distance. adding in sub-sonic ammo makes it much quieter again.

but it is still a explosion going off in a small metal tube.

[wise solstice]

So when’s the old peace?

[zenith jacinth]

Soon

[wise solstice]

Weeks? Months?

Soon is very broad

[zenith jacinth]

Soon

This year

[wise solstice]

We don’t know, got it

[zenith jacinth]

After the fall update

[wise solstice]

FALL

I mean… fall?!?!-

[zenith jacinth]

Likely towards the winter holidays

[wise solstice]

Damn

[zenith jacinth]

Like tnw was

[wise solstice]

Fair

Bruh
No mysterious stranger hood with Baro

[zenith jacinth]

-# buy the baro relay ticket

[wise solstice]

I’m too poor and that’s already over

[zenith jacinth]

-# it's not

-# he stays for like a week after tennocon ends

[wise solstice]

(FIY by “I’m too poor”, I mean I don’t like buying video game stuff at all)

[lime estuary]

Get a job?

[zenith jacinth]

-# brokie

[wise solstice]

I work at home depot

[honest hazel]

Mostly december

[balmy storm]

He’s gone already lol

[zenith jacinth]

Specil or regular?

[honest hazel]

Tennocon relay is gone

regular will go tomorrow

[balmy storm]

Special

[zenith jacinth]

I thought he still had like 2 days ._.

[balmy storm]

It’s been a week since tennocon

[zenith jacinth]

Dam. I needed more stuff

[balmy storm]

Shoulda double checked the time ig

[honest hazel]

He will be back in august

[balmy storm]

Tennocon baro?

[honest hazel]

No regular

[balmy storm]

Oh lol

Yeah no tennocon baro ain’t coming back til about a year from bow

[nimble bridge]

So this has been bugging me since around the time that the New War came out, but have we ever been given a reason as to why Teshin's cape keeps appearing and disappearing? When we first meet him in the relays and during the Natah Quest he wears it, and then in the War Within he originally wore it during the cutscenes on Lua but now doesn't, and then goes back to wearing for the remainder of the quest (Side note: his Orvius used to have a frost effect on it when the camera focused on it during the cave cutscene to demonstrate that the warframe was still being suspended by it in the Real World, but that's also gone now?). Then during the New War he wears it all the way through the playable section, and its only during the asbolute last scene with him that it disappears again? And now, at TennoCon 2025, the keyart for the new Modding turotial quest, they show Teshin deliberately not wearing it???

Like this can't be on purpose, right? Have we heard anything at all about why this happens??

[noble drift]

Teshin's suffering from Shrodinger's Mode? He may or may not have a little voice in his head that goes "NO CAPES".

[nimble bridge]

Perhaps, it's no less certain than anything else I can come up with : P

Also, I just replayed that opening mission of War Within, and alongside that issue, for some reason both the Lotus and Teshin appeared as their placeholder hologram versions in the little communication windows that play mid-mission, which shouldn't be possible? Like those two assets are only meant to be present at two different points in the story?

I'm trying to decide if/when this would be worth writing something on the forum? Its all little things but I feel like cumulatively this stuff is jarring

[zenith jacinth]

DE is just indecisive

[nimble bridge]

I mean if that was the case why not remove the cape everywhere? My best guess personally is that the something in the cloth simulation during certain cutscenes breaks and it was a faster fix to remove the cape than to try and fix whatever obscure problem was occurring in the simulation software, but I've never heard of DE directly addressing this

[balmy storm]

Could just be it looked good in some places and not so much in others

[nimble bridge]

If it was just newer cutscenes where that happened I'd believe it, and maybe my focus on it is irrational, but the cape did look good during that older cutscene, so what choice or issue compelled them to remove it?

[balmy storm]

Possible concern of clipping
Or it was removed due to a bug and it just hasn’t been caught

[livid glen]

It's probably a bug

It looks infinitly better with the cape

[noble drift]

Or updates to the cloth simulation caused it to stop looking good. Are the cutscenes prerendered or in engine?

[livid glen]

In engine

[nimble bridge]

I think cloth is the only dynamic element

[livid glen]

Only cutscene that is prerendered is the Awakening opening

[nimble bridge]

I'm guessing its a bug of some kind too, but like, it's been around 4-5 years, I know new content takes priority over everything, but it feels like more technical gunk keep building in these older quests and it feels like a shame for them to deteriorate over time

[balmy storm]

I’d send a bug report

[nimble bridge]

My plan atm is to run through the War Within quest again (Might need to do it twice because I didn't capture some things) and send a report documenting any issues I come across for the whole thing. There's more than just Teshin's cape that seems to be acting wonky now

[balmy storm]

Very odd

[nimble bridge]

Also largely unrelated but shoutout to 2017 DE for showing operator facial cosmetics in quest cutscenes

[balmy badger]

And Duviri's opening as well (the part before Drifter starts talking).

[livid glen]

I always forget about that one

[spice wyvern]

Ordan Karris asserting dominance (not mine)

[real niche]

Blud thinks he's him

[long plover]

Need some Ordan Karris Drifter cosmetics.

What happened to the 'Ordis getting a body' arc?

[noble drift]

he did.. owl of it.

[cerulean kiln]

The body is discarded when glassed the Ordis getting a body arc didn't happen because the body is gone and it is too late

This is why none of the Cephalons have bodies

[frail parcel]

what if we gave him a Moa as a body?

[cerulean kiln]

He has a trashcan body that's good enough

[balmy storm]

That wasn’t really an arc
In the sacrifice we see the proxy body he uses
In the new war we see it properly where it is also destroyed, but ofc he can make more
In jade shadows we learned that he and other cephalons can factually be in multiple places at once

[long plover]

No, I'm talking about in Jade Shadows, Parvos Granum talks about being able to give Ordis a new body.

[cerulean kiln]

Parvos is also a liar

Ordis also didn't join him even if it was true

[zenith jacinth]

Reminder: parvos is not a good guy

[opaque dove]

Reminder: Parvos May have had some pretty decent ideals, but he is a horrid man

[leaden breach]

Parvos May have had good Ideals, but He Devolved it into another Pyramid Scheme to be on top, Just like the orokin

[rain dew]

Yeah that’s a good way of putting it. For as much chagrin he had with the Orokin, he really didn’t end up all that better than them.

[long plover]

Obviously there'd probably be some kind of strings attached but the way it was discussed led me to believe it was something that might be explored later

[zenith jacinth]

Ordis already has a body, no need for forced servitude to a pyramid scheme

[long plover]

Me personally, I wouldn't consider the funky little owl drone he floats around in a 'body'.

He went from an actual human body to a formless Cephalon, then a floating Roomba.

[zenith jacinth]

It is, by definition, a body

Anything parvos could do would be the same as the drone, not a true body

[long plover]

That's like saying a prosthetic hand isn't a real hand

If Parvos could give Ordis an actual body with functioning limbs, that's very different.

[zenith jacinth]

We could do that without a servitude debuff

[rain dew]

It would also probably come with some big price or caveat

[zenith jacinth]

Ordis is happy as he is now

[long plover]

Oh, most definitely. But you say that as if we as Tenno obviously aren't going to resolve any would-be issues by the end of said quest/mission

[zenith jacinth]

Ordan isn't, but ordis is

[rain dew]

Ordis has very much already told Parvos to get bent

[long plover]

"Haha! Now the cephalon's mind is locked in the body."
45 minutes of Corpus destruction and hacking later
"I'm free now, Operator"

let's not be naive lol, that's exactly how it'd go

[zenith jacinth]

You underestimate the corpus and especially parvos

[long plover]

No, it's more just that we're all playing the same game.

We know how these things go.

[zenith jacinth]

Parvos is intelligent, he wouldn't be so stupid as to not include a failsafe

[rain dew]

It’d be a bad idea to take the offer, all around

[zenith jacinth]

Never underestimate those we have never defeated

[rain dew]

Parvos’ idea of honoring Jade’s legacy was to make an army of Jade Light executioners. He does not care about people, only how they might be used to his own ends.

At best, the offer was a bribe

[opal forum]

Well, the Corpus do believe in violence for personal profit.

[rain dew]

That is my point, yes

They are not to be trusted. Which Ordis said as much to Parvos: “Ordan did not trust you then, and Ordis does not trust you now.”

[lime estuary]

Don't forget what Parvos did to Drusus.

Naive is a sin

[quick smelt]

Ordis would happy if he got a body that can allow him to fight alongside us

Man was happy as heck during Octavia anthem during that fight

But getting a body from Parvos is sketchy

[frail parcel]

unlikely because of void magic, but wouldnt it be possible for Ordis to be given a warframes body?

[woven wedge]

Transference is limited to void kids, so I doubt that Ordis can.

Or maybe with Specters and some stuff

[hearty pendant]

transference is very easy for the tenno, but not limited to them

silvana describes it during silver grove
ballas is partially doing transference during the sacrifice, talking to umbra and preventing his movement

[real niche]

Parvos talks about giving Ordis a new body but idk how much of that is him talking out the other end.

[frail parcel]

i mean im assuming that the warframes still have a nervous system which relies on bioelectricity, and Ordis' consciousness is energy contained already within a metal container.

[tight pagoda]

Ordis could be put into a Necramech

[opaque dove]

Likely

[steep totem]

Necramech Ordis...
That's a terrifying thought

[quick smelt]

“Operator I have obtained a necramech, would you like me to- CRUSH THEM INTO PULP- deal with the enemies?”

[worldly dove]

idk what chat this belongs in but someone brought up the idea of bringing whoever you romance to the orbiter/dormizone and im picturing like talking to aoi at breakfast "oh hey honey and honeys younger older war criminal space child alternate self how did you two (one?) sleep last night?" in unison but with different voices we had nightmares about our void trauma hbu

[lofty delta]

i forgot what reaching rank 5 in solaris does

and got jumpscared

[near cosmos]

What do you guys think Albrecht did after 1999?

I think he's just in tau like "Ah shit what do I do now?"

[covert tree]

Made more sexy warframe people

[balmy storm]

He would’ve made the protos before leaving 1999

Also it does seem all protos need to originate in 1999 thus far

[covert tree]

The new three look the least 1999 aesthetically

[undone lodge]

I mean, 2 of them are literally clergymen so yeah

Regardless of when they’re from they wouldn’t fit the time’s style

Also haven’t we not even seen the 3rd yet?

[hearty pendant]

yeah, we've only seen father lyon and marie
that Uriel is the 3rd is an assumption as well

[balmy storm]

Marie literally calls out the 1999 religion lol

A religion that does not exist anymore in the origin system anymore btw

[covert tree]

Wendy's

[soft pumice]

I'll take a Bacon Jr biggie bag please

[zenith jacinth]

Religious clothing tends to look heavily outdated

[opaque dove]

That’s expected as religious wear tends to be from an older time

[covert tree]

Multiple people have already repeatedly said that I get it

[night grail]

Hes in Tau

Most likely

"Tau is in sight."
"Tau. If that's where Entrati is headed"
"This is the only way we find Al-"

[covert tree]

How do we know know that for that last line we aren't looking for a different al maybe a weird al

[spiral berry]

Where do these phrases come from?

[night grail]

1999, KIM, Old Peace

[spiral berry]

In that order?

[opaque dove]

Yes

[runic flame]

Is there a lore explanation to everyone being able to get every frame minus Excalibur prime

[cerulean kiln]

No

Purely due to legal stuff

[runic flame]

No not why they can't get Excalibur prime

Is there a lore reason on how everyone is able to get every frame

[hearty pendant]

excal prime's blueprints are lost to time
the others.. aren't
we keep finding ways to get them
stored in aya or whatever

[real niche]

There has never been only one of a given frame, minus Excal Umbra. Rev is also weird but eh

[runic flame]

Oh so the blueprints for frames in game are literal blueprints and that's why every frame differs from person to person and its an actual lore point

[lament birch]

Sevagoth is also a weird one, but I guess he can be explained by void shenanigans?? Idk

[runic flame]

So were the only one of a kind frames the first generation cause Isn't our blueprints from the originals

Or did multiple of the people form into the same shape

[real niche]

There's no real distinction on what frames were made before or after the Tenno came back.

[lament birch]

The only thing we know for sure is that the warframes in modern times are weaker than the ones that came before

[real niche]

And it also doesn't really matter since making the frames themselves are 1:1 copies of what the blueprint is made from

[real niche]

There haven't been any Warframes developed "in modern times" they're all from the Old War.

[lament birch]

The primes in lore are nutty

[real niche]

Primes just happen to be the shinier models made in the same time period.

[runic flame]

And aren't sentient other than Excalibur umbra

[real niche]

The sentience part is the weird one

[lament birch]

Wasn't it the case that the primes were the original Orokin design in lore? And most other frames, while powerful are imitations?

[runic flame]

I think cause weren't the original frames people that were transformed into frames

[real niche]

Taps the Varzia sign

[real niche]

They're all made from people. We just happen to use biological material in the making of them (along with Helminth in the ship) to be able to reprint them without having to snag another body.

[lament birch]

Hmm.. 1999 also screws with things doesn't it?

[real niche]

Not at all

[runic flame]

Wait what

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[real niche]

They weren't used in the making of the Warframes as they're known in during the Orokin Era so there's no bootstrap

[runic flame]

I thought the frames we make were just metal puppets

[hearty pendant]

nah there's a bunch of infested tissue in those recipes

[real niche]

They're copies of the originals... which were made from people.

[runic flame]

Ok so originals were people, we use those blueprints and take infested parts and make our frames

[real niche]

There's still a "person" in there just severely braindead and muted.

[lament birch]

Yes which is what leads into why our Warframe can move during second dream

[runic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/manacaru-gif-3884618798839582856

[real niche]

Of course there's weird ones like Dante and Jade who have some strong will and act of their own accord

[runic flame]

I thought we were controlling it with the other hand

[lament birch]

If I recall there isn't anything like that in the quest

I could be mistaken

[hearty pendant]

i don't think we have a full explanation for that scene
if its us, we're a bit busy being choked at that moment
if its the frame, why then? how does it stir just enough to shatter War and then nothing ever again

[lament birch]

It's confusing, but the best answer we have is that the Warframe itself does it

[runic flame]

Well now I feel bad about subsuming all those frames

[noble drift]

We say we don't need new bodies to build our frames on, but we do spend an awful amount of time protecting random cryopods until Lotus can extract them.

[runic flame]

Are those not just other tenno still in cryosleep

[noble drift]

Tenno should all be on Lua I would think.

[real niche]

The Warframes, not the Operator.

...wait

[lament birch]

Yeah...why does it say Warframe cryopod and not operator cryopod

[hearty pendant]

i feel like the cryopods are a bit outdated lore-wise lmao

[runic flame]

This conversation has been going on for almost 50 minutes

[rain dew]

I mean Warframes are still alive, even if largely braindead

[runic flame]

Wait so when one of my crew members on my railjack asks if i feed people to my helminth I am

[hearty pendant]

sorta?
but its also a 3d-printed body, not transformed or cloned or anything

[noble drift]

We honestly have no idea how exactly the foundry "works" other than it's a big section of the orbiter that is inaccessible.

3d printer, cloning facility, helminth horror show, pick whichever one lets you sleep at night.

[obtuse gyro]

?

where did we get that idea

[lament birch]

I've always assumed that The foundry was the embodiment of a super sci-fi 3D printer

You feed materials to it, it takes the blueprint, it makes a thing

Weird comparison, but kind of like how the zonai constructs work in zelda tears of the Kingdom

[noble drift]

I know part of it was based off comparing the size of the orbiter (ie: in the fragment entry artwork) compared to the accessible stuff... but I could have sworn somebody had a line about it somewhere.

at the very least the interface we can see is too small to actually fit a full warframe, landing craft, or archwing system.

[livid glen]

I always thought it was a sort of reflex do be honest. A subconscious form of transference which we then fully unlock in the War Within (having being locked away via the Second Dream during the events of... uhm, the Second Dream quest).

[zenith jacinth]

No, it is explicitly said that we do not use humans

[runic flame]

It being a 3d printer would make sense on why it takes so long to build new frames

[livid glen]

But then we can craft an entire landing craft in the same (or less, don't remember) time frame 🤷‍♂️

[noble drift]

a bunch of printers in parallel doing parts, then bringing them together for the finished product. Frames have less independent parts so less opportunities for parallelism

[rain dew]

The Orbitor is a pretty big ship

[lament birch]

I was going to say no.. but then I remember that the orbiter is a landing craft not the main part of the ship

I forgot about drifters camp

[rain dew]

This is the Orbitor in its entirety

You can see the Liset landing craft allll the way at the front

The walkable space fits into like the front fifth of the ship

This gives a better perspective

[lament birch]

Wouldn't the 3rd door be personal quarters??

[noble drift]

yeah, it's an old image

before the personal quarters were unlocked

[lament birch]

We also know that somewhere there's an area to dock railjack

[noble drift]

That seems to be an umbilical system, RJ can be seen floating above the orbiter in space mode. All the RJ dockyards are either at relays or dojos.

[lament birch]

Yeah, I'm just saying that there still is a way to connect the two

[noble drift]

yep, was clarifying that it fits in "storage space for the hose" space rather than "full drydock" space

[lament birch]

Yeah

[soft pumice]

So glad the digital artist who made this for tennocon posted it on line for folks who couldn't see it in person

[tight pagoda]

All the art is accessible in this pdf

[soft pumice]

Yaa but people not at the con didn't have that code

[dull barn]

Does anyone have screenshots of the harrow protoframe from the relay?

[tight pagoda]

All I could find on google

[dull barn]

Thank you so much

[lunar tendon]

hey what in the world does this mean

[hearty pendant]

the loop's reset
you can choose which group(s) you want to reset chemistry & chats with, if at all
Round Table convos work a little differently from The Hex's, which is why they're separate

[lunar tendon]

ah interesting. what caused the loop to reset? I just hit rank 5

[hearty pendant]

each (real-world) week is a season, the year resets every 4 weeks

[lunar tendon]

I figured itd loop at the end of winter, no?

[hearty pendant]

its a little weird, but yeah it starts on winter

[lunar tendon]

huh alright ty

sidenote, cant believe they made a saryn protoframe and shes not romancable

or wait, is she?

[lament birch]

No

[lunar tendon]

:despair:

[lament birch]

For good reason

She's in a complicated relationship with velimir, and for all she knows her daughter is dead

[lunar tendon]

yeah but shes hot

[lament birch]

Dating most of the round two hex is very in poor taste

[lunar tendon]

haha

[hearty pendant]

Flare's.. taken
Min/Vel are "together"
Kaya's young and has very good reasons to not be dating atm

[lunar tendon]

yeah thats fair I just love saryn so its a bit sad

[lament birch]

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if DE was aware of people liking Saryn and that's exactly why she's not dateable

[lunar tendon]

brother theyre adding a sexy nun wisp and shes dateable

that logic doesnt check out

[hearty pendant]

iirc half of the reason that there's a saryn proto is because everyone thought rusalka was proto-saryn

[lunar tendon]

oh interesting I can see that

[lament birch]

Yeah I remember that

[lunar tendon]

lmfao at kaya on a default trial chat account

[hearty pendant]

yea lol
birthday's even 01/01

[lunar tendon]

pfff

[tight pagoda]

Considering you can actually send her birthday messages on Jan 1st and she's accepting them, it's possible her birthday literally is just January 1, 1980

[lunar tendon]

damn I didnt know they could reject you if you asked to date them lmao

i can do that in real life just fine thank you

[hearty pendant]

yeah
50/50
she doesn't correct you or its actually just her birthday

[amber terrace]

Genuine question: why do so many of the damage attenuated Scaldra enemies spawn in the exterminates?

[zenith jacinth]

What

[amber terrace]

The dedicants

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Scaldra_Dedicant

[zenith jacinth]

Coincidence

[ionic dirge]

Ok the wisp protoframe doesn't even look that sexy. Don't get me wrong her designs good but sexy? I have seen sexier

[zenith jacinth]

Attraction is subjective and wisp is quite popular due to her assets

[lunar tendon]

Also nuns in general are a very fetishized breed

[tight pagoda]

Ngl I would like some more Hex group chats than just the rank-up ones and the "hey look it's a new member" ones

[noble drift]

a group chat reward for getting the whole dang Hex to actually sit down for one of Amir's copyright distinct role playing game sessions.

[lament birch]

Tbh, I don't understand a lot of the community's interest in wisp, especially with her being a nun, but I do like Marie's glowing eyes. I'm a sucker for glowing yellow irises in any character design

[dense ice]

Eleanor

But shes green

[lament birch]

Nah,green eyes aren't the same

[zenith jacinth]

The nun bit is only for marie

[zenith jacinth]

And again, this

[lament birch]

Yeah pretty much

[ionic dirge]

No I get that. And I get that the community is mostly just joking around. But by god the idea of warframe releasing a gooner fram and people agreeing with it ticks me off si much. Especially when aoi and Eleanor look way more pretty and beautiful.

Anyways not the best hill to die on so I will stop here

[zenith jacinth]

Gotta remember that most of the community is very. Bland. Ember heirloom did not get popular because ember is such a great frame

[lament birch]

Aoi is great, I'm just super curious about where the story will go with marie

Because they're framing it as romanceable

I just wonder how they will handle it

[ionic dirge]

Yeah that's what I am more curious about

[zenith jacinth]

Oh it annoys me to no end, but I've given up on getting extra upset over it. I'll still be passive-aggressive tho

[ionic dirge]

The devil's triad seem more unromanceable than the round table

In terms of character mind you not looks

[lament birch]

Yeah, we shall see though

[zenith jacinth]

Easy solution: no celibacy in dualism

[lament birch]

I'm just also happy we're getting more proto frames because that means we'll get more lore and world building on the world itself

That was honestly my favorite bit of the hex, finding out their histories and what they were like

The roundtable additions kind of dropped the ball on that front, to be honest

[zenith jacinth]

Harrow proto is nice, I use harrow a lot

[lament birch]

I wouldn't know.. Harrow's concept puts me off pretty hard

[zenith jacinth]

He's just really good at buffs

[lament birch]

Yeah I know he is I just don't like his theming

For the same reason I don't like red veil

[zenith jacinth]

Harrow isn't like edgelords anonymous

[lament birch]

I know, but harrow still comes off as a zealot to me, someone a little bit too into religion

It's probably just a me thing. he's a fine enough frame he just never interested me

I cannot pass the vibe check

[zenith jacinth]

That... is a completely baseless assumption

[lament birch]

Yeah it is, and I'm very aware

I'm curious to see how the proto will be handled

Might turn me around on it

[zenith jacinth]

Wf is like a magnet for neurodivergent ppl innit

[lament birch]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Makes sense tbh

Maybe I'm biased towards harrow bc I relate to rell

[lament birch]

I mean..the game literally has an entire theme about being what you want to be

[zenith jacinth]

True

[lament birch]

It's been a long time since I've done the quest so I don't remember all of Rell's deal, but a lot of the subtext surrounding rell?? Yeah, that all tracks.

Being isolated because of being different

[zenith jacinth]

Rell is just autism

[lament birch]

Not getting the help you should have gotten

I think the reason why it doesn't stick out to me is that it sticks a little too close to home in a painful way

Glad it's in the game though

[zenith jacinth]

Like apparently my mother did the whole emotion cards thing too bc I struggled with understanding emotions but I completely forgot about it

I still struggle to understand emotions

[lament birch]

Yeah

For me it was always social cues

But yeah.. I don't know.. Harrow just doesn't look interesting to me, whether through concept or design

Rell's story, while I enjoy it being in the game and being told, hits in painful spots

It just kind of leads to me not really wanting to pick him up

[zenith jacinth]

Understandable

[fading current]

Just…play the story and you’ll find out WHY specifically like Reb said ^.^

[zenith jacinth]

Probably a healthier way to deal with that stuff than what I do ngl

Anyways warframe

[lament birch]

I can't wait to meet the racist cephalon

Especially because of how different their design is compared to ordis

Still owl like

But the other one is sharp and angular

[fading current]

I can’t wait to learn more about how caliban prime is essential to Tenno history outside of just being there

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if daklo even is a cephalon, it didn't say so in the subtitles like it usually does

[tough tinsel]

As a Harrow main I do wish his kit did a bit more than what it does now like his 1 stripping armor would be nice

[lament birch]

True I forgot that

[balmy storm]

Erra’s boy was way more important than we thought

[tough tinsel]

when I first got this scene I was really confused cause I didn't know this could even happen

[fading current]

AWWWW NEW YEARS KISSSSSSSSS

[frail parcel]

speaking of our sweet wife Aoi, how does the drifter get internet?

[noble drift]

Probably Entrati setting up a local private server with something to discourage the techrot from eating it. Maybe cartridge flavour coating.

[thick jolt]

I dont think caliban himself is important, just another example of tech achieved by the two sides cooperating

[undone lodge]

People really like her ass, and unfortunately nuns are quite fetishises

[gilded gazelle]

I feel like this is how its gonna go

[undone lodge]

Oh damn that was 5 hours ago

[hearty pendant]

i know its a meme but the want to point out where its wrong is strong

[undone lodge]

Anyway, it’s also partially one of those fandom jokes, where some single joke just gets repeated ad infinitum and gets integrated into the culture as a whole

[gilded gazelle]

Do tell

[hearty pendant]

its not time travel its reliving memories

operator isn't physically going back like drifter does

[gilded gazelle]

True, its just the Lotus giving us "possibly polluted" memories, about what we did in Tau.

Ive still been wondering where this old peace fits, before or after the new war?

[obtuse gyro]

lol, nice typo

thats bound to confuse a lurker or two

the Old Peace takes place during the Old War

not before, not after

[hearty pendant]

not sure if she's giving us the memories as much as she's allowing us to access them
the flash of margulis implies these memories were hidden as well
though she has to be dead by this point so lotus would have to be hiding them in this case

[gilded gazelle]

I was guessing, sorta around during. As there's a conversation between us and || Adis || about "Can't you remember we used to fight each other".

[obtuse gyro]

bingpot

[gilded gazelle]

That a brooklyn 99 reference?

[obtuse gyro]

its also heavily suggested by the website and confirmed by Adrian Bott in an interview

[obtuse gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bingpot-raymond-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-bingo-got-it-gif-23124403

[noble drift]

that and the whole "Warframes exist, Orokin empire exists" one of those things did not before the war, the other did not survive it.

[gilded gazelle]

I do indeed love the show, Andre Baugher was such a good actor, cant believe he passed away :(

[gilded gazelle]

Yeah, cuz Ik she gets blinded by || The Jade Light || so im guessing the Old Peace, takes place a bit after, where || Natah || doesnt show up just yet.

[noble drift]

nah, she got blinded by ||the tenno, killed by the Jade Light||

[hearty pendant]

she gets blinded by a tenno
likely rell

[gilded gazelle]

Ah, I see why Ive been getting my wires crossed then.

[gilded gazelle]

Why Rell? Ive heard people say this but never had a detailed reason to why?

[hearty pendant]

mostly the "Blinded, she cast him out" text during chains
and Rell saying "Mmm. My fault. Touching is too much noise. It makes me... makes me... angry." right after
it isn't 100% afaik tho

[gilded gazelle]

Ah just mainly speculation.

[obtuse gyro]

its possible that DE is solidifying that its the player tenno who blinded margulis, and margulis only cast rell out due to his outburst

which she was already blind to begin with

[hearty pendant]

yeah
rusalka has a line or two implying the player tenno did it
but she could also be referring to the tenno as a whole with that?

[obtuse gyro]

(Locate the eyes of Indifference) Neci Rusalka: "Taking my eyes now, kiddo? Wasn't Margulis enough?"

[gilded gazelle]

It would be interesting though, if it was us. Like why we did it? Maybe the Old Peace may give us an answer to that?

[obtuse gyro]

Im not sure if she'd be referring to tenno as a whole, since by right its only you that "kiddo"

[hearty pendant]

yeah, was about to say that
misremembered the line ig

[obtuse gyro]

Likely the same reason as in ember prime, or similar to rell: got overstimulated, went boom

[gilded gazelle]

Kiddo is referencing us, as it what our Dad used to call us before the indifference stole that line from him and started calling us that.

[noble drift]

or because the tenno weren't all really skilled at controlling the void powers

which is probably the best evidence against it being Rell, as he was probably the most in control of them generally (also I'm hoping DE isn't going to go with the autistic outburst trope)

[gilded gazelle]

Blasted Margiulus with special void treatment? Im guessing that we likely did it on accident.

[obtuse gyro]

I wouldnt exactly say he'd have the most control

we did literally spend a quest where a key part of the theme is we're replaying his control mechanism

which were necessary because he, by his own nature, did not have the neurotypical controls

Like this isnt set up to be a "I am a sturgeon Dr Han" kind of outburst

because well, the triggers are sufficient to make neurotypicals meltdown too

[near cosmos]

I think it was said somewhere that the tenno couldn't control their powers properly yet