spoiler-chat

[tight pagoda]

His finger back, for starters

[wild wind]

His ultimate goal? Yeah basically

[tight pagoda]

And revenge on the Orokin maybe

[plush swan]

Yeah, okay, but I meant in the big picture

[wild wind]

He's going to turn the universe into a not-universe

[plush swan]

Where do we get this from?

[wild wind]

As he's doing to other universes as we speak

Literally everything in Isleweaver

[plush swan]

Uhhhh

[wild wind]

The Murmur are made out of dead timelines

How do you think he's getting them

[tight pagoda]

Making them out of his body?

[wild wind]

Correct

Wally is made out of dead timelines

[plush swan]

The dust of decayed universes, rich in entropy. Entrati's research postulates it as the animating agent of the nightmarish Murmur.

[wild wind]

Exactly

If the Murmur are itty-bitty pieces of Wally, and the Murmur are driven by dead universes, what is Wally?

The death of universes.

[plush swan]

It's actually kinda weird that the Murmur are powered by things that are already in a high state of entropy

Normally, things are powered by moving from a state of low entropy to a state of high entropy, but the Murmur appear to be the reverse.

[tight pagoda]

Barely tangentially connected but I just realized that since a Rusalka is some sort of water creature (as are most Sedna nodes), "Neci" Rusalka is probably a joke about Nessie the Loch Ness monster

[wild wind]

Entropy decided it didn't want to wait

I hate this.

You are absolutely right and I hate it.

[plush swan]

Wally needs more entropy.

Wally: WTT hydrogen for iron

[wild wind]

PFT

[zenith jacinth]

That seems like a jump to conclusion

[wild wind]

The transitive property is the literal opposite.

[zenith jacinth]

Ok the mini thunderstorm earlier has apparently almost killed my internet connection

Works now...

[plush swan]

Wally: in ur base, eatin ur entropyz

[zenith jacinth]

Wallysans: "I remember you're entropys"

[wild wind]

crossover from hell

[plush swan]

If this is accurate, then we can say with great confidence that Wally is a demon.

Maxwell's Demon.

Except that the Origin System doesn't have a Maxwell

[prime lantern]

Or he is causing the death of a universe and eating at the chaos caused by that hole in "space"

[opaque dove]

Maxwell’s demon?

[tight pagoda]

In the thought experiment, a demon controls a door between two chambers containing gas. As individual gas molecules (or atoms) approach the door, the demon quickly opens and closes the door to allow only fast-moving molecules to pass through in one direction, and only slow-moving molecules to pass through in the other. Because the kinetic temperature of a gas depends on the velocities of its constituent molecules, the demon's actions cause one chamber to warm up and the other to cool down. This would decrease the total entropy of the system, seemingly without applying any work, thereby violating the second law of thermodynamics.

Don't know what sort of skooma Maxwell was ingesting for him to think of specifically a demon for this lmao

[balmy storm]

Archon shards are anti-entropic
The sentients are the key to fighting wally

[tight pagoda]

To Tau then! In a couple years!

[noble drift]

Maxwell, highly religious, actually avoided calling it a demon in all of his own letters on the subject. It was popularized as Maxwell's Demon after William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, writing an article on the subject in Nature used the term, likely referring to the greek concept of a daemon being some sort of supernatural power that works behind the scenes. Incidentally the same definition of daemon as is used in computer programming.

I'm more confused by the skooma he was smoking that made him think that this thought experiment would somehow violate the second law of thermodynamics, by claiming that no work is required after introducing an entity which is literally doing work... but it's magic so it's not real work.

[royal zodiac]

Your subjective opinion is objectively wrong, Duviri is great

Anyways, something interesting I was thinking about.

Wally is pretty clearly entropy-coded, but I don't think that's quite true for the rest of the Void.

The Void is energy. Chaos, yes, but it practically leaps at the chance to become more structured. That's what conceptual embodiment is, right? The Void finds an idea or emotion, and shapes itself to manifest it. Chaos becoming order so easily that it takes active training to stop it from happening.

[balmy storm]

The void by itself is nothing
With concepts and emotions it reacts and makes things
Before Albrecht it wasn’t even energy

Wally seems to want the void to return to that nothing
And possibly extending that to everything else

[zenith jacinth]

Did nintendo steal DE's plot with echoes of wisdom or did DE steal echoes of wisdom's plot...

[royal zodiac]

But it was something, though. The fact that Elanor was able to astral project through it to meet Sister Elanor is proof of that. Also, I'm pretty sure in one of the Hex conversations it's mentioned that they still observe void phenomena from a distance.

[zenith jacinth]

The void isn't affected by realspace time. Eleanor went through post-albrecht void

[royal zodiac]

And Albrect's wording that he "feared the Void was simply that, nothing" followed by the rest of the story being proof that it very much WAS something also kind of disproves that.

Unless you're trying to make the philosophical point of "without context, it may as well have been nothing"

[zenith jacinth]

It became something after he went in without the protection of the bell

That wasn't the first attempt of the orokin to investigate the void. That's why it already had that name

[balmy storm]

First attempt with a human tho

Cause it sounds like the cephalon attempts yielded nothing too
Which adds to the fact that Cy perceives the finger weird

Nvm I’m thinking of the terraforming attempts
Though I would assume those too would go in the void

[royal zodiac]

So, what you're saying is that it was a sea of potential that had not been given order yet...? Because "no thing" doesn't change because there is no thing to change in the first place.

[balmy storm]

It was a sea of nothing
Then one inflated depressed ego fell in and BOOM
Energy!
Eldritch being!
Magic fingers!
The stars are in reach!

[royal zodiac]

I think the issue we're running into is the definitions of "nothing". If something is "empty", then it has "no thing" in it. A lack of things doesn't become some things when exposed to other things. If we're saying that the void was a sea of "Nothing" the """substance""", then that is different. That means that the properties of the """substance""" Nothing is that it is effectively raw potential.

It's the difference between a blank page and just not having paper in the first place

[zenith jacinth]

The void is, by itself, a void. Devoid of everything. But introduce something to it and it might respond because space magic

[wild wind]

Nature abhors a vacuum

Which is a synonym for void

[plush swan]

A "true" vacuum is actually considered a very-low-entropy state

[wild wind]

I've thought for a while that the void might be the ultimate alternate universe

[plush swan]

And, IIRC, tiny particles and antiparticles have a tendency to just... pop into existence.

[wild wind]

The one where the big bang never happened

[zenith jacinth]

The void is the empty space between universes

[wild wind]

So it's empty but just a whole mass of potential existence

[plush swan]

A vast emptiness, just waiting to collapse into something

[brave echo]

I actually don't know which one to pick, and where's mention of Saryn or Nekros?

[boreal pewter]

Grendel is the correct answer

[brave echo]

I went with Sevagoth. Devouring the body is brutal, but devouring the soul is next level

[zenith jacinth]

Not as horrifying though

Especially if you consider that you can hear enemies in grendel's gut

[tight pagoda]

"Shag Cannons" instead of Sex Pistols

died laughing

[still trench]

So this confirms that our Tenno has multiple Warframe arsenal

[royal zodiac]

Okay then going back to original point,

Wally is pretty clearly entropy-coded, but I don't think that's quite true for the rest of the Void.

The Void is energy potential energy. Chaos, yes, but it practically leaps at the chance to become more structured. That's what conceptual embodiment is, right? The Void finds an idea or emotion, and shapes itself to manifest it. Chaos becoming order so easily that it takes active training to stop it from happening.

[brave echo]

Seemingly so

[royal zodiac]

Wasn't that confirmed by the fact that there are several quests that directly reference you crafting new frames? Like, how would you have done the quests without a different one?

TWW happens before the Sacrifice, and the first bit of it was the queens getting upset that Teshin brought your warframe instead of you. And then in The Sacrifice... you make and use Umbra.

I feel like I'm missing something

[half light]

can i ?

[wild wind]

That's what I'm thinking, yeah

The Void is potential, Wally wants(needs?) it to be potential oblivion

[royal zodiac]

Called shot, the larger Void is going to devour him because he is working against its own "desire"

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/thelionking-lionking-mufasa-longlivetheking-scar-gif-20263689

Only if we get to be Scar

[royal zodiac]

Actually it would be really funny if we got to see the eldritch god The Man in The Wall experience eldritch horror as he realizes that the Void itself has an even more alien "awareness" than he does.

"NOOOOO I AM BUT AN INSIGNIFIGANT ANT!!!!" cried Cthulhu

[wild wind]

Sounds like a good time, sign me up

[royal zodiac]

New fan theory: "Play Often" is the name of ||Cephalon Mira's|| game studio.

[winged obsidian]

I chose Nidus because of his whole infestation thing. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised being too close would get you infected by the Infestation itself.

[fading current]

I chose this as well. Arthur being glad the infestation stopped where it did for him had me lol a bit.

Like thinking on it…that poor nidus host. I know anyone subjected to the strain by the orokin had a messed up time but nidus sounds like he had it pretty brutal. Being THAT close to being infested. But just barely enough that he’s considered the infested warframe.

[plush swan]

What do you mean by "entropy-coded"?

[royal zodiac]

His depictions heavily associate him with entropy.

[surreal laurel]

Eleanor is no longer in the back room despite us still having the “Loved” status any1 know why?

[obtuse gyro]

im not even sure that its working against its own "desire"

there are two paths it can take, returning to nothing, or full sending the specification. both with resolve any issues with its "material" form being insufficient for its "consciousness"

[royal zodiac]

I don’t understand what you meant by “full sending the specification”

[obtuse gyro]

uuuuuh how familiar are you with stem cells

[royal zodiac]

Oh like that

[wanton sparrow]

So in Dusts Dominion, early on in the song it sounds like the lyrics were going “Oull Ris, Oull Ris, Khra Khra Ris” along with more voidtongue throughout, anyone have an idea of what its meaning is?

Or if I’m just stretching this

[night grail]

Its uuris uuris khra karis

[distant minnow]

Yo

Can someone add and call on discord

[night grail]

Why

[distant minnow]

Im lonely

all my friends are asleep plus they don't play this

[wanton sparrow]

Can’t call rn but I can still add you if you want a friend to play wf with some time

[lunar onyx]

Does anyone know what will happen to Isleweaver after Operation: Eight Claw?

just curious

[wanton sparrow]

I see I see, guess I was reaching, but hey still curious on the meaning

[balmy storm]

It’ll likely just stay as a node for duviri
Like Jade Shadows did

[wild wind]

Yeah, that's what's going to happen

Acrithis will take over the Oraxia store

Thrax and the arcane store will go away

[lunar onyx]

excellent, so it'll stay, instead of being tied to a new "Indifferent" emotion of Thrax, and being like Kullervo.

[balmy storm]

The indifference isn’t making a new emotion
It got in through mathila so it’s attacking during joy

If it was like Kullervo it’d be during Joy

[distant minnow]

Yo anyone down to add me then call on discord

[fading current]

You good? Doing ok?

[distant minnow]

Kinda

[robust swallow]

are those entrati labs?

if not do you think we'll get to see these structures from the inside?

[winged obsidian]

I kinda like having Thrax around in the Dormizone. I’ve been giving him all this stuff for him too 😔. But it would make sense story wise

[nova harness]

Made by same entity not the actual labs

[cold merlin]

why is pogress on operation 8claw so slow? (idk where to even put this message and i figured it was safe here)

[hearty pendant]

lots of factors
some people think that others are hoarding their tokens, as this operation is based on spent tokens rather than obtained tokens
some are blaming it on reused gamemodes n random loadouts (which a lot of people have a problem with, i guess), leading to less people playing it
and there's also that the useful rewards are capped, and at a much lower value than it has been in the past

[nova harness]

Because DE didn’t give me enough to spend tokens on

[cold merlin]

i see

It seems i must bully some people into the event...

[fading turret]

Told Aoi about space travel and the Reliquary Drive and stuff

I offered to tell her about the Solar Rails after the story of the Indifference losing his fingers and she responded with 'lol no'

Also told Eleanor that the Zarimans from 1 through 9 (before Ten-Zero) were unmanned drones or piloted by Cephalons

Which is a pretty cool lore drop

I never thought about Zarimans One-Zero through Nine-Zero before now

[winged obsidian]

Most likely a lot of players not spending tokens since the event relies on spent tokens rather than obtaining them. Honestly if anyone runs out of purchase limits 1 million Cetus wisps are there

[supple igloo]

Challenge accepted. I’m gonna buy myself 1 mil Cetus wisps.

[nova harness]

Can’t wait to see the first proper failed event

[supple igloo]

I’m not worried about failing it, I’m miffed about not getting the Invictus signa.

[raw yoke]

Spoiler

[fading turret]

I mean tbf didn't the progress bar act weird in Belly Of The Beast too?

[nova harness]

DE definitely changed it

[fading turret]

I remember it got stuck at like 80% and we needed a hotfix or something

Pretty sure DE are just staggering the progress bar

Which... is stupid tbh

I mean I know there's enough jobless Tenno to grind and max out the bar in three days if it wasn't staggered lmfao but it's been eight and we're still barely at 25%

Either DE overestimated the amount of activity the Operation would have, or it's bugged.

My money's on Bugframe

[supple igloo]

Yeah, probably.

[nova harness]

There just isn’t enough to spend the tokens on

[supple igloo]

Cause I’ve bought everything to it maximum purchase limit except for Arcane Barrier

[winged obsidian]

Big challenge for everyone, acquire 1 mil Cetus wisps’. I actually plan on getting alot of them because I have an idea for the Dormizone

[fading turret]

You're gonna do the Elden Ring 'vig check' but for peoples' PC setups aren't you

A million floating, animated Cetus Wisps will make 90% of PCs out there detonate instantaneously

[winged obsidian]

That is true I didn’t think about that. Damn, then maybe my Cetus wisp bar idea won’t work

[fading turret]

is2g my PC gets vig checked by peoples' clans it's why I don't go to random players' clan dojos lmfao

When they literally make Olympus and gigantic complex statues and landforms

[winged obsidian]

Plus I have zero clue of the Elden Ring thing. I stopped playing that since the grind was horrendous

[fading turret]

'Vigor Check' was a player who named their character as such and would invade players, put a glowing circle on the ground and instruct them to stand in it. He would then pull out a big hammer, buff himself, and do a fully charged attack. You will get one-shot if your Vigor (health) stat isn't high enough

[winged obsidian]

Nah, I don’t do checks like that. I just thought it’ll be a fun challenge. Plus I had an idea for my Dormizone with Cetus wisps and birds in like a Mos Eisley situation

[fading turret]

It's a play on the meme about players complaining the game is too hard / they die too fast, when they don't level Vigor or 'vig' to increase their HP and not die as fast

Hence, 'vig check'

[winged obsidian]

That’s a bit annoying. Just let people play their game. I just like doing funny and dumb things and thought others would love it too.

Speaking of Cetus, I need to get Thrax little signs. And another bird

[steep totem]

Thank you

[ancient kiln]

DE !!! Please!!! Make the hat and medals from Isleweaver WEARABLE for frame AND drifter, and my life is yours !!! lol
But seriously, imagine the fashion frame and drifter drip possibilities. It would be so cool. This update was nice. We wished to celebrate it.

[jovial pollen]

Captain Cat

[nova harness]

That’s Major cat not Captain

[severe badge]

I was right it was just bugged

[young depot]

So is this the right area to run a weird theory about Wally, kuva, and the orokin past you guys? 👀

[nova harness]

This or #lore-discussion

[young depot]

Sooo we don't know exactly where kuva comes from right? The only thing I could find is that the walls around Cetus (which grow I guess?) helped to produce it, we know that Wally while possessing Rusulka says a few interesting things to the drifter:
Something along the lines of:
"Those who came before you were butchers, they flayed my flesh"

Then in Isleweaver: "he knows what he did, what he took."

We also know Albrect is responsible for Wally's fingers being cut off, I'm left wondering if kuva originally came from that, then the skin and so on from that finger was then grafted into duplicates that we all have on our railjacks.

Lettie also talks about a flayed god, and I think maybe there's another connection there. My whole point is, we know that the indifference/Wally hated the orokin, but wouldn't explain why.

It's a silly thought, but hey, what if it's true?

[nova harness]

Kuva was in use before Albrecht went into the Void

[young depot]

Ohh :/ right that audio

[nova harness]

The Indifference says why he hates the Orokin in the Hex quest making it clear the those before you were butchers is the reason he hates them

Wally says our piece was a gift while the Orokin stole

[young depot]

Ohh. There goes my dreams of thinking it's metal as heck to reroll rivens with the blood of a space god xD

[thick jolt]

I mean could still be his blood in theory
Just didnt come from the door on finger event

[young depot]

I thought so, it would make sense for it giving the ability for continuity. Without another explanation it seems the most likely of its origin.

[nova harness]

I think Kuva being Void blood isn’t accurate as it may be Void derived but that could just mean the Void spits it out across the System not Wallys blood

[thick jolt]

Also kuva isnt void derived, only the mind transfer characteristic

But yeah there is a link between kuva and void

[nova harness]

The weird thing about that is we never see any Void tech being used during Continuity

Tbh tho we have only seen it attempted one time

[thick jolt]

There was a void gate involved tho

The one the creatures voruna had to defend against came from

[nova harness]

True

[thick jolt]

Well at least for the lua ritual that had the highest chances

So we can surmise void proximity increases the mind conductivity

Of the kuva

[nova harness]

Maybe during the quest the Fortress dipped into the Void

Or maybe they didn’t need to do that because our body was enough to get it working

[thick jolt]

I dont think void is required for the ritual
But what i get from the voruna leverian is that it helps increase success rates

Bcs again continuity existed before the door on finger

[nova harness]

Yeah

[rain otter]

The Queens get it from the air.

But maybe from the tenno being near? @young depot

[rain otter]

We know it's void derived but it can occur in normal space.

[rain otter]

No it is though.

[thick jolt]

Isnt as far as we know

Ppl keep reading the tablet wrong

Fluid with void derived capacity

Not void derived fluid

[rain otter]

You're logic is had

And i think your wrong.

Why would the Worm Queen go for the Zariman with Kuva Siphions if tbe void wasn't related to kuva?

They also try to get KUVA FROM THE FINGER

[thick jolt]

Look it has a characteristic that is void derived

Doesnt mean the base object is void derived
Look at incarnons

[rain otter]

With a Big spider device.

[thick jolt]

Incarnons transformation is void derived
But the base weapons arent

And as i discussed before
Clearly it has some link

But that tablet does not in any way say kuva came from the void

[rain otter]

Why would Tampering with the finger get her kuva weapons

If the Finger didn't have kuva in it?

[balmy storm]

Messes with transference
So
Void-based tech?

[rain otter]

It's the spear

It has big Kuva tendril on it.

[thick jolt]

It doesnt say it is extracting kuva from the finger

For all we know she is using the finger to supercharge kuva

Because we know from voruna void proximity clearly heightens kuvas capabilities

[rain otter]

We see her literally going to the ship to get Kuva

That's what they say and we see a big spider machine extracting kuva from the finger

[balmy storm]

Why would there be kuva in the finger

Kuva predates the finger

[rain otter]

It doesn't though.

[thick jolt]

It does

[rain otter]

Okay

[balmy storm]

It
It literally predates it!

[thick jolt]

Also i dont remember the scene quite clearly but wasnt it the same drill effect for when the elder queen was driving kuva into us?

[balmy storm]

Albrecht literally says he won’t take the continuity again AFTER the whole finger debacle!

Which implies he took it BEFORE he went into the void!

[balmy storm]

Yes, it is!

They’re not mining kuva off the finger
I don’t think anything suggests the finger even has kuva

[rain otter]

Okay I said what I meant wrong. Kuva seemingly is void like distilled. Now if you want to say "how did people get kuva before they could go to the void" I would say I think the void comes through into the world at certain times. Like void storms or the Veil is literally like the closest place to the void in know space.

[thick jolt]

Once again things dont need to come FROM the void to have void derived characteristics

[rain otter]

I think your wrong.

[thick jolt]

Like the tablet to me implies later studies discovered the connection between kuva and void

[obtuse gyro]

Given how Kuva missions play out, perhaps there wasnt even a need for a place to have an incident for kuva to be harvestable

[rain otter]

I mean yeah? I think it was always the same and connected the Orokin just wouldn't know that until later.

[obtuse gyro]

cant have been void storms prior to albrecht's incident otherwise no one would be under the impression that the void has nothing in it

[rain otter]

Not nothing no soild ground.

[obtuse gyro]

The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end.
Yes nothing

[rain otter]

This isn't the same as like nothing comes from it. They just 1 can't go there 2 have no reason to go there. But they know it's there people researched into it.

[obtuse gyro]

If there were void storms prior no clown would say that theres no energy to it

[rain otter]

I think their that dumb.

[thick jolt]

Yeah but you are taking it in the sense that it has to come from the void

But it doesnt
We know it has a void derived characteristic
We assume said characteristic gets stronger close to the void (lua continuity ritual)
We know it predates the discovery of the void
We know other objects can have void derived characteristics from void exposure

All of this to me implies it was a naturally occurring substance that had some connection to the void, however doesnt directly bleed from it

[rain otter]

Also we know void conjunctions happened before

Right?

[obtuse gyro]

Before the finger? We have nothing concretely claiming as such

even the lua brand continuity relied on albrecht's research

research he needed a lil sumthing sumthing to happen first

[rain otter]

My question to you is then why would the Worm Queen send "Kuva Sniffers" onto the Zariman then if like kuva didn't come from like void being in the air or something?

[thick jolt]

if it comes directly from the void then why does she send them anywhere else ?

[rain otter]

Cuz no one goes into the void directly.

Besides literally us.

[thick jolt]

void sabotage missions with literal gates to void towers

some controlled by grineer

[rain otter]

We close these.

[thick jolt]

yeah and until then?

[rain otter]

But they can't get vehicles through them.

[obtuse gyro]

scrolling back, whats up with that drill on the finger

[thick jolt]

i think they were trying to control it

effect to me looked like the same one from when the elder queen tried to continuity us

[rain otter]

It has Kuva like Door thing on it.

I still think they just wanted kuva.

[thick jolt]

they probably did

but then found something more important

[thick jolt]

also what makes you think this ?
the disruptor baloons for the grineer and the corpus proxies go through

size aside i don't see why they couldnt

[rain otter]

Small portal.

[balmy storm]

That’s literally not true?
The corrupted are due to factions going into the void

[rain otter]

Yee i forgot about the portals.

[azure solar]

dont we have ingame dialog somewhere that say kuva bled out from duviri- or is that just the constant mirroring that happens- like the chains that yoinked the lighthouse-

[thick jolt]

The later

[thick jolt]

And it also never said it was kuva
We associate with kuva as players

[balmy storm]

Iirc it tasted like iron and was blood from the earth
We just assumed it was kuva cause
War within

[azure solar]

yeah

but then again- the void bleeding seems very bloodlike- that and the fact that duviri is in drifters mind but void- and the operator's mind was getting scrambled by the witch(kuva) queen

so- ergo blood

[balmy storm]

Duviri isn’t in Drifter’s mind it’s made from their mind

It’s not proven to be kuva
It could be kuva
We don’t know

[mental echo]

It’s not to get kuva from the finger, what it looks like it says is that they gather resources that they derive INTO kuva, not that kuva is inherently void

[tight pagoda]

It is worth noting that Operator's actions had an effect on Drifter's Duviri, though, as seen with the Rain of Chains in the Watcher's Island fragment

[mental echo]

It’s like lemon juice vs lemonade

And plus they probably found ways to synthesize kuva differently/better from the finger since kuva is much older than the reliquaries

Or possibly use the finger to hit kuva with that turbovoid mega power yum yum juice

[balmy storm]

Oh 100%
We can assume it was kuva it’s just never proven

[robust swallow]

how's everyone doing on the coin collection?

remember to turn them all in or it doesn't count

[wicked iron]

Minerva and Velimir are the WORST parents. o_O

[waxen sphinx]

Crap I think i already messed up with Flare. I don't remember this dialog of Lizzie being annoyed by us

[wicked iron]

You should be safe, I think.

[waxen sphinx]

Seemed to be back to normal (well, as normal as you can get with Lizzie lol) after the conversation

[balmy storm]

Yeahh
Considering their situation and their daughter it’s not great all around lol

[wicked iron]

The conversation after ||finding all the fragments in Isleweaver...|| o_O

[balmy storm]

||I like that they get to know she’s out there, possibly safe but def alive to some extent||

[balmy storm]

||they still worry but considering their situation and their fields
Makes sense they react the way they do||

[lethal vortex]

I didn't check yet

[rain otter]

They just want their girl to be okay. Also Velamir has been on different sides of many conflicts so I get it.

[carmine needle]

does anyone know who "vodyanoi" is in that one chat with arthur? i tried looking it up but whenever i search "vodyanoi" i get some mythology creature or something and whenever i search "vodyanoi warframe" i just get some tutorials or whatever because i guess it's some mission node or something, so i physically cannot get an answer and i'm really confused.

[rain otter]

Victor's last name is that.

"lt. victor Vodynaoi"

[carmine needle]

how the hell did anyone even figure that out??? i didn't know that and i've never seen it mentioned in-game anywhere

[rain otter]

you can get this from quincy.

[carmine needle]

oh

[rain otter]

[carmine needle]

?

[rain otter]

oh just

good vibes. you just learned something.

is that not a happy thing? that we figured it out?

[tight pagoda]

Before 1999 they had some concept art of Viktor and Rusalka, but he was listed as "Viktor V". I think people came to the conclusion on their own, or DE confirmed it, because we knew it even before the Rapier skin was a thing

[carmine needle]

can you please ping me when you reply to me? it is really annoying when people don't

[carmine needle]

...but couldn't it have been anything that starts with a v? why did everyone just immediately think "vodyanoi" then

[faint thunder]

Well, both Rusalka and Vodyanoi are both actually nodes on the star chart, and on top of that both are in reference to Slavic mythological water beings that are seen as malevolent.

Also some people datamined a couple strings here and there to get into some of the dialogue that Viktor has for the Warframe Wiki. And I think his name was referenced during the 1999 Tennocon as well if I recall, along with Neci.

@carmine needle

[carmine needle]

oh

[carmine needle]

yeah i know you replied to me

[faint thunder]

I have come to a revelation.

So this nightwave has a few hints on what the next big update is about with the solar winds, and its going to connect to the New War. And the next update has to do with the Sentients...

In addition to this, Jade Shadows is listed as a main story quest and we deposit Jade's motes into the sun...

We are not only going to Tau, we are also getting Stalker as an NPC that helps us in missions in Tau, along with Jade. They both will have speaking roles.

Entrati will be the new syndicate vendor along with 3-4 sentient NPC's that will be named after old Mesopotamian gods.

[carmine needle]

what the-

[faint thunder]

I have looked into the void with Nef Anyo, and I have seen the future.

[opaque dove]

More like Vor

[carmine needle]

can you tell me if we ever get a functioning card deck orbiter decoration that i can use to feed my solitaire addiction

[opaque dove]

Enlightened

[faint thunder]

Well when you think about it, Warframe is actually a deckbuilder game because the mods for your mod slots are actually cards.

[carmine needle]

solitaire isn't a deckbuilder game though

[opaque dove]

I Wonder what plants that we can recognize survived to Warframe’s present?

[carmine needle]

but anyway yeah you're right i guess

[carmine needle]

here comes the 5 hour youtube video where someone did wayyy too much research to the point where it consumed their lives for 8 months...

[night grail]

New coolkid369 video

[winged obsidian]

I was about to say. Bro read Vor’s philosophy books on the Void

Honestly that would be hilarious if we got like a random book on defeating Vor and it’s about his view on the Void as a decoration

[unique nymph]

What's the right options with Lizzie and Flares chats? I just said I don't trust Lizzie, which I think is right, not letting Lizzie take over Flare?

[real niche]

Nope, it's making Flare comes to terms with the fact that Lizzie is literally a part of her and (in a twisted sense) genuinely wants to help

[unique nymph]

Oh, odd, I guess I'll try to pivot then.

I guess it makes sense though, not like she's going away

[void granite]

kahl is the only character in the New War set that I find consistently fun to pivot to

the corpus guy was okay, he kinda had a puzzle gimmick

[timid briar]

I did not like Veso.

He was annoying to play.

[balmy storm]

But… veko…

[timid briar]

Yes, Velo was a peak character.

But I did not like playing as Veto.

[balmy storm]

Vemo was awesome wdym

[void granite]

I agree

but I did like the idea
good think Kahl does it better in veilbreaker!

side note, peak.

[timid briar]

I love Kahl.

Kahl fights for brothers.

[timid briar]

I completely agree.

[void granite]

so true
and also that one corpus, because nobody deserves the veil

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[void granite]

I love the fact that veilbreaker also implies the future creation of more kahl quests, though

[zenith jacinth]

The one that just sits there traumatized?

[real niche]

Big doubt. Theres a reason they removed the Archon Shard from its Stock shop

[void granite]

no, the one you free who then joins you in kicking the everliving hell outta sentients

[zenith jacinth]

[tight pagoda]

Chipper?

[rain otter]

Chipper isn't a Corpus.

He actually hates Corpus.

He's a Solaris.

[balmy storm]

Solaris are Corpus

[void granite]

no, it was some random corpus security guy

[rain otter]

He says he's not a coprus and hates them

[void granite]

helmet and everything

[balmy storm]

I don’t see him saying he’s not a corpus
Just that he hates them

Like solaris are part of and are technically a corpus people afaik

[rain otter]

Hmmmmm alright.

[plain knot]

cool. awesome. thank you game.

also apparently if you pause and select abilities during the zariman segments, this happens

[timid briar]

Hey, atleast Quincy's safe.

[plain knot]

no he isn't

he fell into the void and got replaced by wally

[timid briar]

OH SHIT.

[robust swallow]

ayo what?

[proper axle]

https://youtu.be/p8FA25a22dQ I love On-Lyne

[unique pebble]

The second way is, using her assets

[desert flare]

in Slavic folklore, a Rusalka is an undead creature that drowned and is sometimes portrayed to be protecting the waters they drowned in—sort of similar to Sirens.

[sturdy cedar]

Bro the Kim pc is so fire

I fw texting the hex heavy they chill asl

[rain otter]

Most people like it yes.

[sturdy cedar]

Yeah they pretty cool

Amir the best one imo I fw him the heaviest

[gray orchid]

Had a heavy convo with Arthur today, man needs a real hug

[undone lodge]

If you ever get a choice you’re unsure of and don’t want to mess up, you can use the Kimulacrum online to check how a conversation will go. Also I’d recommend turning on the All convos option if you’re still rank 1 and haven’t already, since that way you don’t have to reset to get all the conversations

[sturdy cedar]

Bet

What menu is that in?

Can u do it on the pc or sum else

[rain otter]

The all conversations is a option on the PC.

[sturdy cedar]

Word

[rain otter]

It's by the like gear symbol.

[unique pebble]

He do, but is fine he is getting better slowly 😌

[mild needle]

Bro Arthur's relationship arc is so incredibly satisfying

[unique pebble]

He is the best

No bias, I promise.

[zenith jacinth]

[unique pebble]

[nova harness]

No bias?

[unique pebble]

<_<

[rain otter]

All the relationships are worth it.

[unique pebble]

I might be, just, ever so slightly bias to Arthur

slightly

[rain otter]

Lul

[unique pebble]

None of those were bought by me tho, they are all from crazy friends that keep sending me floofs

[balmy storm]

You need more

[unique pebble]

I do 😔

I had all of those in the desk of the backroom but it was becoming too much

[rain otter]

I like Lettie.

[unique pebble]

ive got a few others scattered

[balmy storm]

I do something similar with the dexcalibur noggle

I got em scattered everywhere

[manic musk]

something happened...

[rain otter]

That can happen with Titania.

[atomic niche]

uh thats weird, (also holy crap a ultrakill fan)

[manic musk]

ultrakill is cool

[atomic niche]

truly a valueable lesson, yes teshin

[manic musk]

LOL

[atomic niche]

todays subject: the void

[opaque dove]

Sweet mother of Hunhow

[unique pebble]

is not as bad as some people I know- they spent well over 3000 plat on floofs

[opaque dove]

Still, that’s a lot of Arthur Floofs

[unique pebble]

And I just have bought (1)

[opaque dove]

I don’t have floofs of any of the gang. If I did, it would be aoi amir and Quincy

[unique pebble]

the first and only floof I bought

now, nap time then more warfarming

[opaque dove]

I would throw hands with Wally bare handed just to save the hex

[half light]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-headpats-protoframe-eleanor-nightingale-gif-8680164481766692212

[timid briar]

Real.

[amber terrace]

Amir you goofy goober, taking me through a text based adventure that took days as opposed to doing a five minute inventory audit

I can sympathize given I also have ADHD, but I’m pretty sure the scales of the neurodivergency is like an ant to the bug thingies you fight in Helldivers 2

[peak heath]

I wonder if all of the responses for Arthur's question of the most horrifying warframes we have access to is mapped yet. I told him about Sevagoth.

[zenith jacinth]

Terminids

[peak heath]

For reference this was my exchange

[hearty pendant]

that last bit makes me wonder about protos of those options

[peak heath]

There were also options for Nidus, Grendel, and Xaku to my knowledge.

Grendel and the whole getting eaten thing is unsettling but that's not a unique hazard considering the techrot and is over relatively quickly.

Vs just having your soul eaten to power a dripped out corsair.

[hearty pendant]

ik nekros isn't an option, despite Terrify being.. one of his abilities

[peak heath]

Also being the other warframe with spirit-interactions.

I do love using Sevagoth though, both frame and shadow form.

[peak heath]

Also Sevagoth uses weaponized bad-vibes with gloom.

[zenith jacinth]

All options give the same response based on that and my grendel version

[peak heath]

That's good to know.

[zenith jacinth]

Guess it's just
-Warframe
-Short description of frame kit

[peak heath]

Considering talks with Elanor and Lettie about the dead, and talking to them, spirits and stuff, heck even Velimir and Minerva. Imagine if that prompt was a group chat and I was like "yeah I eat souls, by the way souls are a thing". Imagine how well that would go over.

To be fair, we eat souls even without Sevagoth and Nekros. We can consume Oro to end the immortality of certain things if conclave is still canon.

Though Oro is distinct from a soul, but beings with Oro can come back to life.

[zenith jacinth]

The only time oro has been brought up in recent times is by albrecht talking about how pointless it is to talk about oro

[plush swan]

Apparently Velimir grills Techrot.

We should introduce him to Daughter's polyps.

The ones that make your world undulate

[peak heath]

I still find a minor disappointment that while I can tell Velimer and Minerva about Neci in Duviri I can't tell them that I'm fighting her back with my army of child-soldiers.

It would fit their vibe of being CIA boogeymen, they love that sort of thing.

[steep totem]

I would love for the protoframes to meet the Entrati family
The interactions would be priceless

[peak heath]

I think the next stop is Tau for the lore.

[zenith jacinth]

Army?

[half light]

Hexamech when DE ?

[zenith jacinth]

We need the fast melee raiden mech

[peak heath]

I'm referring to the other tenno. Technically there is only one drifter which means the other tenno are the operators.

[plush swan]

I don't think it makes sense for Tau to be the immediate next step.

A long-term thing, maybe, but we've got a bunch of local Sentient loose ends to address first, and the Tennocon trailer showed a ruined Murex, like the ones in the Origin system.

[dim heath]

a thought is we are going to travel a little bit and deal with Narmer again since they are still around

or we're going to Tau or something who knows XD

they def kept this big update underwraps more then 1999

[wild wind]

next should be Narmer expansion

Praghasa node near Sol PLEASE

[plush swan]

I want to see Natargulotus's new form

[rain otter]

i still want a necramech warframe.

[jagged sable]

grumbles in atomicycle warframe

[rain otter]

This is like we can litearlly use it everywhere.

this isn't intresting.

[dim heath]

How about a warframe that can tramsform into animals. One can do single target, one can do aoe, one can stealth, and one can do some big damage aka the 4

[fading current]

IM OUT OF CHATS NOOOO. HEX I MISS YOU

[rain otter]

Are you? It refreshes every day for at least a few weeks.

Make sure you have all conversations on.

[fading current]

I do and yea there’s nothing new

[rain otter]

what rank are you?

[fading current]

Max

[rain otter]

/ what friendship rank are you with each hex member?

[fading current]

Loved with Amir. Best friends with everyone else.

[rain otter]

oh so he's in the backroom?

[fading current]

Yea haha

He’s been my hubby ever since 1999 released 😌

[rain otter]

nice.

[rapid forge]

I wanted Thrax to feel a little better about being kicked off his throne.

[rain otter]

oh you got that

so you should have gotten the new vilmir minvera stuff now

that it was fixed.

[pale turtle]

Wait can you customize dominus? Like you can with kahl?

[rain otter]

No but he's a object.

[pale turtle]

Oh that's cool lol

[thick jolt]

Surprised ppl havent stacked sofas on him yet

[noble drift]

he'll get the hang of couch surfing one of these days

[amber terrace]

Question: are there two streams on two different days of Tennocon?

[wild wind]

iirc no

[steep totem]

Not intentionally, but he spawned where I had put an Entrati sofa in my Dormizone
With the way he clipped through, it almost looked like he was sitting on it (the missing legs kinda ruined the illusion though)

[wild wind]

The stage shows are streamed, like the cosplay contest, Art of Warframe, Sounds of the System etc

[thick jolt]

Was meaning more the way people were stacking sofas on kalymos, like on top of her

[steep totem]

Yeah, I get that
I still find it funny that he was literally crashing on my couch (I have since moved the sofa; NO COUCH FOR YOU, THRAX)

[thick jolt]

Lol

[amber terrace]

I could’ve just looked up their twitch, mb

[thick jolt]

Very likely extremely late to the realization but. The call is about neci isnt it?

Dunno if i should or shouldnt be surprised with how long that evaded me

[rapid path]

Glory to Höllvania
Glory to The Scaldra

[autumn turret]

i love how in hex talks we can sometimes just drop "Heres this extremely messed up/crazy thing that happened/happens"

[balmy storm]

Same

[undone lodge]

I love all the little “I don’t know what that is” that’re spread around

there’s enough about animals that Albrecht should’ve left a few kids books too

[signal ermine]

how to count in ostron

[wild bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/birmingham-brittish-brit-pov-sonder-gif-12430170985001984944

[nova harness]

?

[humble coral]

can you replay the whole hex quest yet?

[unique pebble]

Yup

[humble coral]

wait really?!?!?

[humble coral]

YEAAAAAAAAAA

[unique pebble]

Since.... Techrot Encore

[humble coral]

. . .

[unique pebble]

I loved being able to take new pics

[undone lodge]

You have to go to Kalymos to do finale, still

[azure solar]

bite them... im sure one of them might like it

[azure solar]

this immediatly before or after mindless slaughter is exactly how my brain work- warframe my beloved

[manic pewter]

what is gravity

[azure solar]

now i just imagine our favorite little adhd boi sprinting around almond scented corridors and vaporize/charring things that humans were never meant to see- wait i need to be more specific dont i.... (:3)

[azure solar]

varuna...?

[azure solar]

we are essentially 1-4 {insert creature-type} armies

[steep totem]

Voruna doesn't transform though
Otherwise, that does kinda sound like her

[azure solar]

please tell me that i didnt just read that with my own eyeballs...

[azure solar]

i mean technically i could bring out nidus too... since they keep complaining about "these techrotted menaces" or whatever they call the hex... might as well show them how bad it can really be :3

turn up the infestation

[peak heath]

True, but in my eyes it was more of the "same" verses an entirely new kind of terror. Getting your soul eaten.

[azure solar]

do not the shrine
DO NOT

[unique pebble]

Hey is the floof wall

I wanted to make something else in that room, but I didnt know what, and I had all those floofs that were piling up on my desk.

I decided to make it a floof room XD

[plush swan]

Oh come on, that's nothing compared to Eleanor's amazing burgers.

[unique pebble]

And you all complain about the square spaghetti...

[proper frost]

Just got the duviri throne room captura, why is the throne so tiny ...?

From the cutscenes it looked bigger than what it does in the captura scene

Like seriously what

[azure solar]

WE DO NOT BRING UP THE TONGUE BURGERS
im pretty sure that is referring to nsfw though when she talks about those polyps though

[tight pagoda]

Custom made for Thrax's size

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

Probably have but, have you done the All KIM chats setting?

[waxen sphinx]

I kinda wonder, what if scaldra try to mimic Entrati's serum and try to make their own protoframe? leading to us having a scaldra themed warframe?

[zenith jacinth]

He had specific helminth strains to make protos, they'd have to find one of those to use

[umbral willow]

This is ordis??

[undone lodge]

Considering their beliefs it’s pretty unlikely

Unless that one line Viktor can have when the tank is revealed to be infected gets developed in a certain way, but considering it being up to interpretation and his other lines about it that’s also unlikely

[amber terrace]

I hope that Tennocon 2025 doesn’t reveal like Warframe 2 or something like that, where the WF2 like sunsets current Warframe

[plush swan]

We already have Soulframe coming up

[amber terrace]

True

I just don’t want DE to nuke Warframe, given the amount of time I’ve given to the game(not as much as y’all, but still a substantial amount of time)

Xbox says I have 380 days, 5 hours, and 54 mins of playtime

[rain otter]

i very much don't think DE will nuke warframe.

[waxen sphinx]

I think itll be about the Tau system

[undone lodge]

Probably not directly

[waxen sphinx]

could be like a build up to it

[amber terrace]

Ye nah if it were literally any other game studio, Warframe’s potential for Tau would be a sequel title

[undone lodge]

We’ve still got the important step of actually getting a way to Tau, since we didn’t take the portal with Albrecht

And then there could be stuff connected to that too

[amber terrace]

If I am to pester, where did you get this screenshot from?

[nova harness]

Check DMS bot will delete it here

[amber terrace]

Forgive me for being mean, the article was from tennocon 2024

[nova harness]

So?

That doesn’t make the info any less valid

[rain otter]

i mean even then

this was before 1999.

like come on.

[nova harness]

So?

DE still had the groundwork for 1999

Nothing since has suggested otherwise

Pazuul said Tau we didn’t get Tau
Albrecht said Tau we didn’t get Tau

There also hasn’t been anything building up to it so far

[waxen sphinx]

im just really curious, now that 1999 is over, whats gonna be next in story?

[nova harness]

Find out at Tennocon

Third Orb is also Sentient related

That leading to Tau arc would actually be pretty cool

[rain otter]

I don't think we will get tau soon.

But i think it's gonna be a thing in 1-2 years.

[nova harness]

Yeah

[exotic gate]

maybe a conforntation with pazuul?

[nova harness]

Characters constantly saying Tau doesn’t help things

[rain otter]

also i have said for years now that we will get a 3rd orb and it will be about him trying to get to tau.

[rain otter]

Yes cuz the 3rd orb is being brainwashed by a drone.

[amber terrace]

I just hope that the mission to get the third orb isn’t as miserable as the elite archimedeas

[rain otter]

see

i think ETA AND EDA are some of the best content in the game.

but i would assume the orb is more like

[amber terrace]

I’d tend to disagree because some of the missions are borderline impossible to do if you’re relying on public matchmaking and advertising in recruiting chat has mixed results

[rain otter]

a "old school" raid. or just a boss fight.

[amber terrace]

I hope it’s just a boss fight tbh

Heck, I’d even take an “old school” raid, assuming it isn’t as miserable to do as Elite Archimedeas if you don’t have friends or a diverse arsenal of good weapons or Warframes

[waxen sphinx]

maybe new archons in the future?

[amber terrace]

We already have orange purple and green through the crayon melter/mixer in our Helminth

[waxen sphinx]

i mean, we get those from fusing 2 archon shards from the others, but why not have archons that just naturally drop them when defeated?

OR:

Chroma archon that has random chance of dropping any of them

[unique pebble]

We get them in ETA and 1999 clendar 🤔

Mostly tauforged in ETA and normal in 1999

[jade crypt]

also

why tf is the third orb still in the game if they dont intend to do anything about it

[tight pagoda]

They do, prolly

[jade crypt]

even more when the thing has a narmer drone

like yeah it was cut content years ago but who said they cant just use it for something else uh?

[zenith jacinth]

That is indication that they will do something with it

[tight pagoda]

Imagine in two weeks at TennoCon they have a full cutscene for it and point at you directly lmao

[jade crypt]

yeah

[jade crypt]

LMAO that would be crazy

[zenith jacinth]

Where are you getting that from

[jade crypt]

nowhere but theres gotta be people who says that

theyre just not here

[zenith jacinth]

I meant the cut content thing

[jade crypt]

oh lol im sorry

uh idk that what ive heard

it was gonna be a boss fight like the 2 other but they cut it or something along those lines

and now its just sleeping in a pond in fortuna

[zenith jacinth]

Trust nothing without a source

[jade crypt]

i mean ive heard players say that

[zenith jacinth]

With a source?

[jade crypt]

also didnt the orb things came out with fortuna?

like at the same time?

[jade crypt]

i dont remember

[zenith jacinth]

Exploiter was later afaik

[jade crypt]

okay

[tight pagoda]

I think Exploiter came a bit later (at least the fight and reoccuring event, might've been present outside of it)

[jade crypt]

okay when did the 3rb orb appear in fortuna then

[tight pagoda]

Third Orb might've been there the whole time but obviously the Narmer Drone wasn't until after the New War

[jade crypt]

and when did the narmer drone appear around it

[jade crypt]

oh lol

[zenith jacinth]

The orbs have very direct ties to sentients in lore, narmer is inevitably gonna do something with it

[tight pagoda]

I only started playing after Whispers (and I'm addicted)

[jade crypt]

yeah i mean they must be cooking something around that bcz iirc we dont see narmer drones in the plains of eidolon or in deimos open world thingy

but i dont go there often so correct me if im wrong

[tight pagoda]

Deimos wasn't affected by New War at all, I feel

[zenith jacinth]

Correct

[jade crypt]

well there wont be narmer drones there then lol

[zenith jacinth]

Narmer stayed away from deimos

[jade crypt]

what about the plains?

[zenith jacinth]

No drones

[tight pagoda]

there wasn't anything with it in the Quest besides maybe it being locked like the others, and then Daughter helping in Veilbreaker

[jade crypt]

okay well i guess theyll come back to fortuna because narmer is a dumbdumb

but when and how is the question

[zenith jacinth]

The sentient corpses all over the plains probably aren't considered useful by narmer

[jade crypt]

i mean they are dead...

[tight pagoda]

I think partially it's because there are some Solaris who still remain veiled because it's giving them (false) happy memories, which is something they never had, and thus Narmer still has a bit of a foothold there?

[zenith jacinth]

When: soon™
How: by taking over the controls

[jade crypt]

that does kind of make sense

[zenith jacinth]

The archons were too

[jade crypt]

LMAO no i mean when and how like literally we got duviri thingy right now how tf will it tie with rusalka 1999 duviri and stuff

how can you go to duviri things rusalka nanana back to fortuna?

[tight pagoda]

Depends on when we're next fighting Narmer/Pazuul/Sentients

[jade crypt]

wait also isnt narmer ballas?

[tight pagoda]

We went from Whispers to Jade Shadows, we could have a little non-sequitur quest every now and then to set up the "Tau" arc that's theorized as the next big thing

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht flees to tau followed by wally, we need to deal with narmer to follow him

[zenith jacinth]

No

[tight pagoda]

Yep, but we dealt with him, Pazuul took over

[jade crypt]

wait im getting conflicting replies

[jade crypt]

oh okay

[jade crypt]

that does makes sense

so is narmer balls or not

[zenith jacinth]

I've been playing for longer, I'm more reliable

[jade crypt]

LMAO okay

who tf is narmer then

[tight pagoda]

just the name of Ballas' empire

[zenith jacinth]

Narmer is the empire, ballas was the leader

[jade crypt]

okay i wasnt sure

[tight pagoda]

Narmer was the name of an IRL pharoah

[jade crypt]

he really suck at making names

im so sorry please do not curse me with the rah

[tight pagoda]

the Orokin have a bit of an Egyptian aesthetic to them

[zenith jacinth]

Narmer was an irl pharaoh who united egypt

[jade crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-eyeofrah-eye-of-rah-gif-9337038677048830451

LMAO SORRY I HAD TO

[tight pagoda]

First thing someone sees as the Veil boots up

[jade crypt]

LMAOOOOOO

[zenith jacinth]

Ra*

[fluid robin]

Is operation eight claw clan or community based?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[jade crypt]

sorry

[fluid robin]

The progress bar I mean

[zenith jacinth]

Total progress is community

[tight pagoda]

Clan progress is for the dojo trophy

the Signa is for the whole community

[fluid robin]

Okay

[jade crypt]

who am i missing wtf

[zenith jacinth]

[ ? ] obviously

[jade crypt]

youre so right

[amber terrace]

Screamer from Flare defense

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah that prob

[jade crypt]

thank you

[zenith jacinth]

Good luck scanning it in pub though it seems to just cease existing when killed

[jade crypt]

for real

i cant scan it anyways

i stopped bringing helios bcz diriga is better with valkyr

[zenith jacinth]

My helios scans it sometimes

[jade crypt]

helios is slow asf to scan things its really annoying

[zenith jacinth]

Does it do more damage

[jade crypt]

i wish we could do something to speed it up

[jade crypt]

i honestly dont know

thats just what ive been told

also the narmer song slaps so hard

[zenith jacinth]

Deconstructor has extremely high dmg potential

[jade crypt]

is that so?

[zenith jacinth]

Mine does like 3k per hit

[jade crypt]

holy

[zenith jacinth]

Chance to apply 5 different procs too

[jade crypt]

also i have a question, how do you see the new somacord thingy you just got

[tight pagoda]

Dante too

[jade crypt]

like the most recent one i mean

[zenith jacinth]

Look for it in the list

[tight pagoda]

They're in alphabetical order

[jade crypt]

but what if i dont know

i grabbed one from kahl mission but idk what the name of it is

[zenith jacinth]

Not any slower than player scans

[jade crypt]

really?

i feel like simaris scan is faster than helios

[zenith jacinth]

It isn't

[jade crypt]

okay

[zenith jacinth]

I have done so much scanning

[jade crypt]

poor you

[fluid robin]

How is ordis alive I thought the lotus killed him during the new war

[zenith jacinth]

L

[jade crypt]

what

[zenith jacinth]

That was a drone

[jade crypt]

where is it located bruh

[fluid robin]

But it was ordis?

[jade crypt]

yes but no

[zenith jacinth]

A drone piloted by ordis

[jade crypt]

tysm

[fluid robin]

Ohh

[zenith jacinth]

Boss arena

[jade crypt]

are you sure

oraxia or murmur boss?

[zenith jacinth]

I have it so

[jade crypt]

okay

[fluid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[jade crypt]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

Oh no

There's more

[jade crypt]

what

okay guys lets figure out where they are located

[zenith jacinth]

[jade crypt]

what

[tight pagoda]

One is on the tower

[jade crypt]

i cant find it

[tight pagoda]

Here ish

[jade crypt]

what tower theres so many towers

[tight pagoda]

Whoops wrong screenshot

[jade crypt]

lol thanks

if i cant find it thsta means i have it right?

[tight pagoda]

Nah itll be there regardless and you can still pick it up

Maybe a bit lower than this

[jade crypt]

mh i cant find it at all

lemme check again

nope not there

urgh thats annoying

omg i found it finally

i already have it so i guess the one that i need is in the murmur fight

[royal zodiac]

My theory is that DE made Thrax such an annoying brat because everyone complained about the operator and they went "OH YOU WANT TO SEE ANNOYING? WE'LL SHOW YOU ANNOYING!!!"

[night grail]

They existed iirc but not fightable until later

Because profit taker released after fortuna

And exploiter unlocked during Buried Debts

[manic lichen]

i just did the 60 Eye Murmur Fight twice, killed it twice, and when it died, the walls wouldnt let me free

i am just a sitting duck

[night grail]

Yeah

[umbral willow]

What exactly are these versions of the warframe? Humans in suits? Are they similar to umbra? In umbras quest it looks like flesh under his helm

[jade crypt]

protoframes

theyre called protoframes they arent similar to umbra

they are warframes with a strain that got modified

which in result gave us protoframes

[indigo oar]

they're kind of the inverse of Umbra in a way?

[umbral willow]

Hmm well if ballas made the warframes are they the failed experiments

[jade crypt]

something along those lines

[jade crypt]

no because its not ballas that modified the strain

its albrecht

albrecht just took the strain and modified it and injected it in those people

[umbral willow]

You said protoframes so I assumed that meant prototype

[jade crypt]

no, protoframes

the warframes came first

except for temple kind of

[umbral willow]

So he's the one who left loid the human with loid the robot?

[jade crypt]

the temple strain existed ballas just never used it because rebelious or something

[jade crypt]

uh yeah..? i think idk why are you talking about that

[indigo oar]

the protoframe strain was modified to maintain independence, to my recollection.

[umbral willow]

So protoframes is after warframe when albretch went to 99’?

[umbral willow]

Just trying to make sure that's who the quest im on is talking about

[jade crypt]

excalibur, mag, cyte, nyx, trinity and allat existed way before the protoframes

[indigo oar]

yes.

[jade crypt]

albrecht is loid's boyfriend (theyre not rlly a couple)

like i said the only exception in the protoframe thing is temple

because the strain existed but ballas never used it

so albrecht took it modified it injected it in flare and well you know the rest

[umbral willow]

Ok so the codex thing on the ship says Atlas was the first warframe so he is before Excalibur no?

[jade crypt]

what are we talking about right now

[umbral willow]

Now I wanna know who the first warframe was

XD

[graceful zodiac]

It's Excalibur

[umbral willow]

I play games for lore XD

[umbral willow]

So the ships codex lied?

[graceful zodiac]

The codex never said Atlas was first

[jade crypt]

only mention of first on the wiki is that

[umbral willow]

I thought it did.. Hmmm

[jade crypt]

in the atlas thing

[indigo oar]

i checked the levarian entries and it also doesn't claim that.

[jade crypt]

not true that is also mentioned

sorry guys i lied

[umbral willow]

Ok then idk what I read.. My baaad

[jade crypt]

its okay it happens

[umbral willow]

Is their any lore on the motorcycles?

They seam important

[jade crypt]

uh not really

i dont think so?

nevermind

[graceful zodiac]

There's background stuff, but they don't really matter

[rain otter]

well ALL VERSIONS of warframes used to be people.

[umbral willow]

Explain

If you want

[rain otter]

in the umbra like orokin ipad it literally says how they make warframes.

[umbral willow]

Never looked tbh

[indigo oar]

so like. yes and no.

technically, your warframes are made from blueprints

[rain otter]

IT READS IT TO YOU DURING THE QUEST.

[umbral willow]

Waaaiiiit do we get our own protframe

[rain otter]

what do you mean

[umbral willow]

OH THAT THING YES YES

[rain otter]

YES

[umbral willow]

do we get to own a protoframe? Like craftable or no

[rain otter]

oh you can get a protoframe skin for any of the warframes

[indigo oar]

the protoframes are all "Gemini skin" available for plat

[rain otter]

that are protoframes.

they have lines and everything.

[jade crypt]

"i play games for the lore"

why are you lying?

[jade crypt]

thats a lie

the game gives you lore you dont even read it

you dont even listen to it

[umbral willow]

I thought it was something in the orbtor where it talks about atlas ok!! I didn't know it was the thing that read to you! I haven't gotten to all the warfrmaes where it talked about atlas so I thought it was their

[rain otter]

@umbral willow but back to the umbra thing. Umbra is the one that find the orokin Ipad cuz it was what Ballas was gonan give to hunhow. Like Umbra is being turned into umbra because he trying to turn in ballas for telling hunhow about the warframes weakness "the tenno".

[rain otter]

don't be mean.

[jade crypt]

it wasnt supposed to be mean

sorry

[rain otter]

Umbra is special cuz he was left with a singular memory where as most warframes are mind wiped. also he was never actually given a tenno or anything he was just stuck in the moon. @umbral willow

he only gets out of the moon after the second dream where we take the MOON OUT OF THE VOID.

so he's just been stuck in the moon for 1000+ years.

[umbral willow]

Read what I said below this.

[jade crypt]

i saw

[rain otter]

also umbra is one ofthe last warframes made.

cuz he would have to be made after the war was in force and after hunhow was there fighting warframes with tenno.

[jade crypt]

poor umbra

[rain otter]

and after mariguls died.

[umbral willow]

Interesting

[rain otter]

where he gets blasted is where his home was in the flash backs.

[jade crypt]

:(( poor umbra

[rain otter]

so it's been 1000 years he finally gets out of his moon prison

[jade crypt]

at least hes living with us even tho we dont see him

[rain otter]

cuz it's finally out of the void for some reason goes home and sees the person that killed his son

and then gets blasted.

[umbral willow]

Is stalker hunhows minion

[jade crypt]

not really

[rain otter]

after the second dream?

[indigo oar]

for a while

[rain otter]

yes?

[jade crypt]

they were roommates iirc? kind of?

[indigo oar]

they work together temporarily

[rain otter]

well no they never stop working together.

[jade crypt]

iirc after jade shadows stalker stopped "living" with hunhow

[rain otter]

kinda.

[jade crypt]

because uh well he got a child

but idk correct me if im wrong

[rain otter]

yeah but that's most of the game though he was hanging out working with hunhow.

[jade crypt]

yeah true

[umbral willow]

Seemed like it in a new war so that's why I asked

[rain otter]

yee he was.

cuz of the second dream. the start of the second dream

[jade crypt]

and they were roommates!!!!!

[rain otter]

is stalker going to hunhow and hunhow is like "WORK FOR ME SO I CAN KILL THE TENNO"

"CUZ I CAN'T GO TO THE VOID"

[jade crypt]

LMAO

i hope we get news of hunhow

i really like him

like new quests with him and shit

[indigo oar]

we stan an evil transmasc father.

[fading current]

How did umbra exactly get around the origin system? Did he find his own ship or landing craft? I don’t remember lol
I just remember Ordis saying he’s fled into the origin system after we tried using transference on him for the first time.

[rain otter]

@umbral willow have you watched like the gara prime trailer or the Yareli prime trailer? or is there a third one where it talks about the original erson that is based on the frame?

[rain otter]

probaly stole a grinner or corpus one

i would assume.

anyway those 2 prime trailers talk specificly about someone being turned into a warframe. @umbral willow OH WAIT MIRAGE PRIME.

mirage prime is funny cuz it's a warframe that became how they wanted and not how ballas wanted.

[umbral willow]

I went and watched all the ones I can find, not sure if I found those ones tho

[rain otter]

and that's cool.

[umbral willow]

Is it cannon umbra protects the ship while we're gone? If so how does he protect all the ships?

[rain otter]

maybe? also idk.

@umbral willow https://youtu.be/UZCrLzWb-sQ?si=-DhXwK7jnNPoCIUp

i got the 3 trailers.

[umbral willow]

Does the lore talk about the difference from the umbra and regular Excalibur

[rain otter]

but yeah these talk about the humans that where turned into the frames.

[umbral willow]

TYY

[rain otter]

umbra was a specific guy that was made later

excal was one of the first warframes made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYy2XPR-cIo

[jade crypt]

idk but he does roam around we just dont see him

[umbral willow]

So he has no connection to excalaber?

[rain otter]

not really no.

Yareli Prime was even a yuvan (someone that a orokin was gonna conity into)

that ballas might have been but she like was making fun of continity and him.

https://youtu.be/LP9xH9hqC04?si=HU_M5WdrWNc3HLCi

mirage is unique cuz it talks about how ballas makes warframes

and most people while they are changing don't have any control over it or anything but mirage as she was changing manipluated ballas

[umbral willow]

So lets connect the family tree of sorts, hunhow is the dad of erra and lotus, lotus was dating? Ballas, lotus wanted a kid so ballast made the warframes? (that's my understanding I got from the new war

[rain otter]

into making her into a trickster.

[jade crypt]

NO

ballas is jealous of the tenno because lotus treats us as her children

thats all i remember

[umbral willow]

Ah so I misunderstood,

So are the operators hunhows grandchildren by adaptation?

Cause she basically adopted the tenno

[jade crypt]

i never thought of that but i guess so?

idk?

[rain otter]

wrong order. Hunhow is the father of Erra and Lotus. the warframes are made to fight the sentients. The zariman comes out of the void Margilus saves the kids from it She dies and the tenno are used with the warframes. that last thing can happen in either order. Margilus was in a relationship with ballas and ballas refuses to help her and she dies. Ballas then goes to hunhow and works agains the orokin and part of that plan is making lotus who looks like margiuls and ballas is then in a relationship with her. Lotus sees us as her childern and doesn't go through with the part of the plan that was to kill the tenno.

[rain otter]

a lot of people call hunhow grandpa yes.

[umbral willow]

Lord wise you are correct but so am I just not in lore

[jade crypt]

VINNY YOU FORGOT ballas is jealous of the tenno

because lotus loves us more than she loves him or whatever

I REMEMBER THAT i do remember that

[rain otter]

HE'S JEALOS OF LITERALLY EVERYONE

[jade crypt]

YES HE IS HE DESERVES NOTHING

[umbral willow]

HE IS DEAD

[rain otter]

AND NOTHING IS HIS FAULT

he COULD HAVE SAVED MARIGULUS IF HE WANTED

[jade crypt]

ong

[umbral willow]

HE DIDNT EVEN DESERVE DEATH

[jade crypt]

ballas is a failure

[umbral willow]

Ballas is balls

[jade crypt]

no he deserved even WORSE than death

[rain otter]

anyway

[jade crypt]

yes

[umbral willow]

Death is to good for him

[rain otter]

yes people call hunhow grandpa.

also the proto frames might turn into normal frames later.

(well one of them does)

[jade crypt]

flare/temple does but thats a very unique case

[umbral willow]

Hmmm now this doesn't make me sad that tenno had to kill their parents or smth

[jade crypt]

because the warframe never existed, only the strain

ballas never made temple bcz it was too rebelious or smth like that

[rain otter]

Wally made all the parents go mad just to see what would happen.

none of the holdfasts had kids

that's why they didn't go insane till later.

[umbral willow]

Question… why does a shadow version of my operator keep following me

[rain otter]

what do you mean?

[umbral willow]

In quests

[rain otter]

in your orbiter?

[jade crypt]

thats wally babygirl

[umbral willow]

It randomly appears

[fading current]

That’s Wally

[rain otter]

oh in quests. that's the man in the wall.

[jade crypt]

thats wally messing w you

[rain otter]

Wally. the one that Rell was keeping at bay for 1000 years.

the one following ablretch the one that made your parents try to kill you.

[fading current]

The indifference likes to try to jump scare. I find him in random places around my orbiter doing a hand stand or laying on the ground in a pose. Lmao

[umbral willow]

Why the hellll is wally

[rain otter]

yes.

well maybe. might be albretchs fault.

his finger/copies of his finger are in the RJ and the zariman for hyper space travel. @umbral willow

[umbral willow]

but mine appeared when I was doing new war, that cutscene with to wall with a giant body on it had it on its head

[rain otter]

yes both of those are wally.

Smile.

[umbral willow]

Where in the rj I gotta see this

[rain otter]

also Ruskla has wally in her.

[rain otter]

if you have one it's just connected to your orbiter

it's right infront of the operator room there's a like

[umbral willow]

Does wally go away, I don't like wally, wally is like a living version of my intrusive thoughts

[rain otter]

circle you can stand on to go there.

[jade crypt]

HOW tf are we supposed to tell velimir and minerva that bruh

[rain otter]

no.

[umbral willow]

Ik its conected but like where are the fingers inside the rg

[rain otter]

you ARE ABLE TO NOW. you just need to get all the lore fragments and get their good ending.

[rain otter]

let me LOOk

it's the big relquirary drive.

[umbral willow]

What

[jade crypt]

NO WAY OMG im so happy that i restarted the loop

[rain otter]

i gotta SET MY HUB BACK TO SOMEWHERE THAT ISN'T @umbral willow MY 1999 apartment.

i think the drifter camp also works.

i like the drifter camp.

oh you know you can set your login to 1 of 3 places right? @umbral willow

[umbral willow]

Are velimere and Minerva later in the story? I feel like I've heard their names

[rain otter]

yes.

[umbral willow]

Huhhh?

[jade crypt]

yes in 1999

[rain otter]

later in 1999.

[jade crypt]

vinny were so connected

[umbral willow]

Hmm and that's in the hex no?

[jade crypt]

yes you gotta do hex quest for that

[rain otter]

you can have it be your orbiter your drifter camp (From the new war) or a place in 1999.

[fading current]

Fav moment I’ve ever encountered with him so far lol