spoiler-chat

[shut hull]

It's a noble gas though, it doesn't have the right electron structure to form a crystal lattice I think? At least not on its own.

[zenith jacinth]

Argon crystals also likely aren't an orokin creation

[shut hull]

I thought they were presented as like one of the prime examples of their mastery of molecular engineering?

[zenith jacinth]

Where are you getting that from

If you say a loretuber I'm gonna have an atlas hit you with his 1

[shut hull]

I don't remember. I can't find any source on it, maybe I just made the connection myself when the technological level of the Orokin was discussed.

[shut hull]

Also Argon ice apparently is a thing, but it only exists at -189 C or below. So you wouldn't find huge chunks or it just lying around at presumably room temperature like you do in the void.

I'll just take the L on this one.

[zenith jacinth]

Considering where it's found and how it behaves there's a 99.99999% chance its a void product

[shut hull]

I guess I always figured that since they were in the Orokin Towers they were something the Orokin made inside the void.

[zenith jacinth]

They're not found in the ruined orokin towers that exist outside the void

[shut hull]

Fair enough. I'm also struggling to find any reference to Orokin molecular engineering/nanotech rather than bioengineering. I wonder where I got that from.

I might have seen the flavor text on Oxium, Morphics and Forma, and just assumed that Argon Crystals were an Orokin thing as well because they were primarily found in Orokin ruins.

[undone lodge]

100%

Void based radioactive resource that decays every day it is out of the Void.

[sleek roost]

Can someone tell why is there a rule for profanity when in game Quincy says 3-4 swears in a row?

[zenith jacinth]

Game: 16-18+
Discord: 13+

[sleek roost]

So in dc we cant say even censored swear but in game we can?

[nova harness]

Discord isn’t Warframe

[sleek roost]

I get it

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

I don't fully understand it either

[nova harness]

Servers can set whatever rules they want

[zenith jacinth]

-# I can't even name myself scrap in-game though

[nova harness]

Probably because of the word after the S

[tight pagoda]

I don't think the game's got any Verbal f-bombs either, right? Besides Kaya for a day

[nova harness]

Ballas

[zenith jacinth]

I am aware but it's still stupid

[tight pagoda]

Ballas says b*tch, does he say f*ck as well?

[nova harness]

Warframe has swearing in general

DE want the server to be positive so added a filter

[tight pagoda]

I just vaguely remember the reason for Kaya's fbomb being removed was that DE is wanting to save their fbomb for something special

[nova harness]

The Community server allows swearing

[shut hull]

I figured the Orokin used the towers partly to manufacture it and then bring it out for use in other stuff before it faded away, like the prime frames

I'm just talking nonsense, it's not used in Forma

Nevermind me

[zenith jacinth]

The orokin are known to use things they just found and don't fully understand

Main point: The Void.

[shut hull]

Sure, but it could still be that they purposefully did weird void-science to purposefully make something that otherwise wouldn't be possible, rather than it being a natural byproduct of the void. It doesn't seem to appear in the regions of Albrecht's lab where the void has broken through, for example.

[tight pagoda]

Would've been neat if it was on Lua too but I guess with that extra lore of it going back to the void once it decays, it makes sense it's not

[zenith jacinth]

Different void

[shut hull]

In what sense?

[zenith jacinth]

There's multiple isolated bits of void

[shut hull]

🤔

Citation on that?

[tight pagoda]

Duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri, granum void

Even lua was in a void pocket before tsd

[shut hull]

I always thought of those as like islands resting on the sea of the void, but that the void as a whole was a unified thing that's everything that surrounds the world of dust?

[tight pagoda]

Other way around I think

[shut hull]

You have the strands of khra, different timelines reaching through the void, and then you have cut off loops like Duviri and Höllvania, and then everything else around that is the void?

[zenith jacinth]

Wally can't get into either area without difficulty, so they're not connected to his "domain"

[shut hull]

Right, and his domain is the void. So they're looping timelines cut off from the strands of khra resting in the void, but they're not themselves void? Same as how the void allow regular timelines to affect each other with the drifter and the operator, even though both of their original timelines are in the world of dust?

[tight pagoda]

So the white circle is "the void", the yellow circle is like the Granum Void, green is Duviri, red is the Sand area, and the overlap is Isleweaver

[shut hull]

Okay, so you're saying the sand area is another strand or conceptually embodied loop resting inside the void rather than being actual void?

[tight pagoda]

Yeah pretty much

Wait I added the Zariman too, it exists in between real space, the void and Duviri

[nova harness]

The real Scholars Landing was destroyed by Albrecht

[tight pagoda]

And the part of the red that sticks out is the Sand void in the Entrati labs

[shut hull]

I'm a bit lost now with the white

[nova harness]

Void

[tight pagoda]

Just imagine a smoother circle, I only did it that shape because I drew this with apple notes

And it's annoying to edit

[shut hull]

What's the inside and outside of the white circle, in this metaphor?

[tight pagoda]

Inside is the void, outside is the real world, but it's also important to state that technically they overlap

I mean, the Void is probably more infinite than reality

[nova harness]

Zariman is both in and out of Duviri
Duviri is in the Void
Granum Void is in the Void

[tight pagoda]

Yep thank you

Hard for me to explain things sometimes

[nova harness]

Yay me I’m the new Void expert trust

[tight pagoda]

Dr. John Void

PhD

[shut hull]

I've thinking of in like Library of Babel terms. Eternalist time is a Cube, one axis goes from from the best or the future, and the surface and each cross section along that axis represents the space of all possible outcomes. Whenever a choice happens, the strands of khra split off, and each outcome of those choices becomes a real place somewhere. And then you can also manifest other possibilities through conceptual emobodiment, but they just end up as disjointed loops separate from the strands hanging out in the void. And the remaining "space" around those things is the void.

Possibilities that haven't been made real

Or didn't have a way they could have happened

[dry mesa]

Wdym I can't romance Velimir

[shut hull]

He is a taken man in every strand.

[dim heath]

Coming in here it seems it been sort of confirmed that the clan trophy is general ruskalka on the throne actually! One of the hot fix messages mentioned it

[zenith jacinth]

He is married.

[dry mesa]

Listen man I didn't know he was married (or divorcing?) when I first saw him SIGH

[shut hull]

So under this model the Zariman was planning on doing a leap into the void, returning to the same strand at roughly the same time, but at another spatial location within it. Instead they popped a hole in the Albrecht membrane surrounding the strand, and are stuck partly in the untime/not reality surrounding every strand descending from that event, preventing reality from leaking into the void (all the dust dispersing into nothingness).

And then Arkadia is saying the sand area is kinda the opposite of that? It's like a domain the Indifference controls/created that's poking in through the membrane from the outside in Albrecht's lab? Is that why the Indifference is bound by the strands of khra?

[soft pumice]

its da chair

[midnight swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

begin again

[winged obsidian]

Valid

[midnight swallow]

i will see what happens if everyone is up for DND

[shut hull]

The one you can suggest Aoi duct tapes to the ceiling?

[midnight swallow]

no exceptions lettie

[winged obsidian]

My first time encountering the DnD Kim thing and i nearly got everyone except Arthur since he’s such a stick in the mud sometimes. Second time I got Arthur but I guess the game was like “that’s enough. We don’t need anymore”. But I also somehow fumbled Minerva and Velimir 😔

[shut hull]

Is the sandy realm a reflection of how the Indifference sees the world of dust? Everything is impermanent and doesn't amount to anything?

[midnight swallow]

my first one i never got the lettie convo about it at all

[winged obsidian]

Probably. It would make sense since it truly embodies indifference.

[winged obsidian]

Lettie truly was avoiding dnd as long as possible

[fast vortex]

did i miss something?

[shut hull]

If the Orokin towers are just, in the void, and you can just go to them normally with your ship, what makes the hole the Zariman punctured so special? Or is the void the towers sit in a result of the puncture and Untime flowing into reality?

[prisma island]

https://x.com/SilentEcho999/status/1937999285091766557

⚜️ 𝙴𝚌𝚑𝚘 ⚜️ (@SilentEcho999)

[SPOILER]
Found the Oraxia's prex card!

#Warframe

X · Jun 25, 2025, 10:20 PM

[obtuse gyro]

well for starters, the zariman didnt puncture the albrecht membrane, its just plugging the hole after something else did

void towers dont puncture no holes because theyre already in the void chillang

[shut hull]

I thought the hole was the result of the failed jump?

And if they're just chilling in the void, how can we just go to them in our orbiters?

[obtuse gyro]

the hole aint, its a particularly recent development

and like, the orokin have the tech to hop skip and a tip things into the void

they did it with lua, with deimos, and with the towers

[thick jolt]

Also solar rails and the railjack

The portals in void sabotage too

[obtuse gyro]

its the key feature of the rails too, to yeet things through the void from one end to another

[obtuse gyro]

Before you ask, no, we can't move the ship. Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane, and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out, and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury. Which would be fascinating, if memorably horrible. Anyway. Feel free to bring me anything you think I might be interested in. That's all!

[strange geyser]

When we fight warframes at junctions, two questions;

1. How long have the solar rails been disabled? Since we all woke up from cryosleep, or since before cryosleep?
2. Are we killing them, or just almost-killing them?

[tight pagoda]

Warframes at the junctions are just Specters— which I think are like holographic clones?

[obtuse gyro]

1. Dunnow. It could be that theyre not disabled at all, its just locked from you.

2. those are spectres, expendable and easily recreated

[zenith jacinth]

1. Unknown
2. They're specters

[thick jolt]

Could also be there are other rails the other factions use

[tight pagoda]

The main times we fight an actual Warframe:
conclave (hahaha)
Stalker (and the acolytes)
Mesa in that one Alad V mission
Chroma

[shut hull]

That was my read too, that you're more like forcibly adding yourself to the access directory or setting up a backdoor to allow you to use it.

[thick jolt]

Oraxia and kullervo

Was protea a full specter by the time we fight her?

[strange geyser]

ah, fair.

Another question. I think it was in the first mission where Alad V is the bbeg. There's a cutscene where one of the warframes gets all its parts ripped off of it, and I think maybe it was Valkyr was "next" on the chopping block. Was there any followup to that scene somewhere? Because I did the main story mission and there wasn't anything about saving warframes there.

[shut hull]

So the star map is misleading and there's not actually a region of uncontained void right near the Origin system.

[tight pagoda]

How could I forget Duviri!

And I think Protea is real too.

[strange geyser]

I assume if we unlock their blueprint its probably the real one, such as with Harrow and Protea

[terse hornet]

What about Revenant?

[tight pagoda]

Revenant too, totally! I wouldn't say we really fight Harrow

[thick jolt]

I think that is from waaaaaay back then when we didnt have quests so might have been an event

[tight pagoda]

But definitely was the real Harrow we encountered

[shut hull]

Or Jade, even if she's still around

[strange geyser]

we didnt fight Harrow but that was the Harrow warframe up in chains.

[thick jolt]

Idea of it was aladv ripping valkyr apart to make zanuka

[obtuse gyro]

I mean I guess? the star chart isnt showing a bunch of void spilling out, its just showing nodes (aka towers) in the voud

[tight pagoda]

Nah I think that's just for gameplay's sake. Consider we access branches of that same "area" via Phobos, Neptune, and the other planets it's connected to despite them being on totally different areas

[obtuse gyro]

no protea is a spectre in the quest

this much was stated by parvos

[strange geyser]

hmm the wiki does refer to her as a specter

[tight pagoda]

Makes more sense

[obtuse gyro]

Parvos Granum: "But at the cost of all that she was. Now, she is nothing more than a Spectre of her former self. My beautiful Protea."

[strange geyser]

So the specters we fight at the junctions were originally the warframe then?

[thick jolt]

Basically he used the spectre particle to fix her and keep himself safe?

[terse hornet]

If that's true then we could say they simply have ost the memories of their original self's.

[obtuse gyro]

not the conclusion you should be walking away with at all. are the spectres you make the original warframe?

[strange geyser]

No Protea herself kept him safe, locked away in a time loop, but couldn't get out of the loop without luring us there to "reanimate" her as a specter so he could get free

[thick jolt]

Not necessarily

Parvos describes the spectre particle mimics stuff so in a normal use it would just copy not replace i guess
Like the ones we make in the foundry

[strange geyser]

ah. I feel like they throw the word specter out too easily.

[obtuse gyro]

not really, its the same tech

its just that in proteas case she sacrificed herself and all that remained is her spectre

[terse hornet]

But does the original protea turn into a specter? Or did parvos create a specter when she passed?

[obtuse gyro]

^

[strange geyser]

So warframes become specters after they've exhausted their life force?

[terse hornet]

That can't be true... Jade

[strange geyser]

I'm assuming there is always going to be exceptions since warframes are so unique

[obtuse gyro]

again, thats not at all what any of us are saying

like, warframes die

[opaque dove]

Jade just ceased, but she was also carrying a child for a thousand some odd years

[obtuse gyro]

and you aint see spectres out the wazoo

[terse hornet]

It's just curious to me because it's fully possible for you to create Specters so it's possible the originals died and the parts were used to create them. But it's not clear to me because of Protea

[tight pagoda]

Oh I guess the Archons too? Not sure if they count because they're hardly like their Warframe bodies

[terse hornet]

Jade could just be an outlier due to the baby

Protea could also be an Outlier due to the void

[thick jolt]

The spectre particle found by parvos is completely separate matter from warframes

[tight pagoda]

Sevagoth also dies

[opaque dove]

Just slowly sapped her life away. And along came little Orion/ Sirius.

[thick jolt]

Protea turned to a spectre because of parvos not because of a natural process of the warframes

[strange geyser]

Okay so specter particle is unrelated to specters. It just so happens that Parvos figured out how to use the particles to reanimate a warframe which was turning a warframe-specter into a specter-particle-powered-specter-warframe?

[opaque dove]

Well, he kinda was dead for a while when Call of The Tempestarii happens.

[terse hornet]

That was also my original thought but I hate to assume because.. the Void is just crazy

[obtuse gyro]

why is there a need to include "the originals" in the spectres

[thick jolt]

Iirc parvos admits to being the one who discovered spectre particles
He was in the void
His warframe that was protecting him died
He needed a substitute
Pretty straightforward if i understood correctly

[signal token]

uhh.... what the hell.

[thick jolt]

I said unrelated to warframes not spectres
Obviously there is a relation between spectre particles and spectres

[opaque dove]

Wally.

[terse hornet]

There isn't, just a possibility since they have been on the junctions since you first wake up and since the start of the release and we know frames were being captured for various reasons

[signal token]

thanks sherlock holms but what in the hell is this

[reef tundra]

When you're burning through clan names cuz they're all taken and you do a joke one and then it works-

[signal token]

no way thats the real one

[strange geyser]

Principal Skinner: "Uhhh... Excalibur Specter?"

Superintendent Chalmers: "Excalibur Specter?! At this time of year, at this time of day, in this hemisphere of the system, localized entirely within this solar rail junction?"

Principal Skinner: "Yes."

Superintendent Chalmers: "May I see it?"

Principal Skinner: "No."

[obtuse gyro]

the specter particle is related to specters

[obtuse gyro]

not the real one

[opaque dove]

I think it may be him messing with us, or from an alternate existence thanks to eternalism

[signal token]

guess i was right

i used to like eternalism

now i dont, thanks "Mother"

[opaque dove]

I mean, without the drifter wouldn’t exist.

[signal token]

the wall finds a way

[eternal flume]

at least one version of you still does

[signal token]

screw you

you got me there

[opaque dove]

They ain’t wrong

[eternal flume]

dont worry, im sure in some reality you came up with a witty comeback

:D

[opaque dove]

Eternalism and the other concepts that we learned thanks to Eularia are very weird

[tight pagoda]

You can find others...

[signal token]

im trying to find the tablets

[junior aurora]

Soooo is rusalka really gone??

[tight pagoda]

There's one in the Undercroft "lobby"

[night grail]

They've been good about releasing the music for the past few updates

[opaque dove]

More than likely yes.

[tight pagoda]

Prolly not, but we ain't freeing her anytime soon, not with this update at least

[night grail]

There's 3 actually

[tight pagoda]

Keepers

[junior aurora]

I wonder why wally is using her face in duviri of all places

[tight pagoda]

Jeepers

[opaque dove]

I Wonder what happens after Operation Eight Claw

[tight pagoda]

Wth autocorrect

[eternal flume]

I mean, her consciousness has either been consumed by wally or its sitting there unable to do anything

[opaque dove]

Current host maybe? It latched on to her to pretty hard.

[eternal flume]

we kicked it out of its city

it wants something of ours

[night grail]

||there's a chance it's another pazuul situation||

[opaque dove]

Wonder what Wally truly sounds like behind his masks

[night grail]

Sort of

[junior aurora]

Oh how tf did you get that?

[eternal flume]

nothing

[tight pagoda]

Get every fragment

[eternal flume]

he is the mask

[junior aurora]

Oooo

[signal token]

its time we break the ice......

get it?

velimir

god im so funny

[eternal flume]

all he's ever been is someone else

either as a copy or posessing them

[signal token]

real question is

[eternal flume]

because the void doesnt create

[signal token]

where IS she

it immitates

[night grail]

She already beat you to it

[opaque dove]

More than likely thrax’s throne

[eternal flume]

duviri?

[signal token]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-warframe-orange-creamsicle-albretch-entrati-gif-17447654494807688329

[opaque dove]

We’ve seen Wally first as the operator, then Albrecht, copied Loid, and lastly as Rusalka

[signal token]

what about drifter

[opaque dove]

It seems to use those it’s been in close contact to, and the drifter is the us than didn’t accept the deal

I think that’s why

[tight pagoda]

Well it hasn't been in close contact with Loid

[junior aurora]

Albrecht still confuses me

[opaque dove]

First person it really saw

[tight pagoda]

I think it just uses the Operator to mock Drifter. "Haha you're still that stupid kid"

[junior aurora]

No I mean is the mf helping us or not

Is he dead or alive

[opaque dove]

I Read thr Requiems in The Necraloid chamber, and it gives us the story how Albrecht met the Indifference/The Man in the Wall.

[opaque dove]

He’s in tau?

[tight pagoda]

He's stopping it.

[tight pagoda]

Not confirmed but likely

[junior aurora]

I have a theory that hes trying to prevent the orokin from existing so he in the future wouldn't start all this shit

[steep totem]

Doubt it
That would cause a massive paradox

[eternal flume]

he did accept the deal.

or they

[opaque dove]

More he’s running from his problems. He thought it wouldn’t, more couldn’t, follow him to 1999

[eternal flume]

but when drifter and operator accepted the deal, they looked the same.

[eternal flume]

they were the same

[junior aurora]

Also another thing so wally has near to no power in duviri normally?

Why take over something that pretty much resides within your space

[tight pagoda]

I think something was preventing him, much like how Rell was holding him back

[left swan]

From what little dialogue I've heard he's after his body, his fleshy form I guess that'll give him more power

[eternal flume]

a... DUVIRI PARADOX???

:)

[steep totem]

That, and Thrax had that habit of taking every island Wally ever touched and throwing it into the Void

[eternal flume]

whose body?

he has his

he has rusalka's too

he did have albrecht's mech if that counts

[steep totem]

Points for the joke
But in this case, I'm referring to the nasty Grandfather Paradox

[eternal flume]

ooooo

yeah I get it

[left swan]

I'm more interested in this little jab Wally says to the player about how we are stupid for not figuring it out but we—the drifter and Operator, are the same soul raised in different environments and I feel like it's hinting at more than just us. Like perhaps Wally is like that too

[terse hornet]

? What would be the grandfather paradox?

[steep totem]

@terse hornet ^this

[junior aurora]

If albrecht didn't exist neither would we and that means we wouldn't stop him from existing

[terse hornet]

Thanks I missed that

[left swan]

In one of the dialogues Rusalka aka Wally says, they mention how they thought their body was lost or rather stolen and that they must retrieve it. A long with the fact that they say that no matter what we take, a finger, a face, and body, you won't like what smiles back at you from the abyss or something close to that

[eternal flume]

wally isnt really a soul

[left swan]

I'm no lore hound but want to know more since this update and from what I'm piecing together—Wally needs his comporial form I guess so he can go and do as he pleases without limitations and with the remarks about "same soul" and seeing different timelines of past characters in death in this new update I'd assume we r all linked to a specific form of ourselves but yet there is an infinite number of them and all this is starting to feel like Loki and Marvels Multiverse

[eternal flume]

and he was "born" when albrecht entered theh void

[junior aurora]

Perhaps he wants the tenno?

[tight pagoda]

We're not too sure if he was created by Albrecht or just summoned, or given shape

[left swan]

Perhaps he's a clone/void-tainted copy of Albrecht

[junior aurora]

Void flows through us and he wanted us for a reason

[eternal flume]

I mean fair

[eternal flume]

but void flows through us bc of him

[junior aurora]

Its clear he wants us for something atleast

[tight pagoda]

We don't know what he gets out of the deal we made.

The latest updates make it clear he HATES the Orokin

And there's a lot that implies he wants his finger back

[terse hornet]

I don't think wally is innately evil. I think we see him that way due to our own morals. The end justifies the means thing

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, even if you want to run the "he's not innately evil" gauntlet, many struggle to climb over the fact that he takes pleasure in crushing others

he felt pleasure in crusher eleanor

[delicate lagoon]

Wally ultimately wants revenge against Alberect for some unknown thing?

[nova harness]

Fingers

[delicate lagoon]

I mean, yes, papa Entrati stole a finger. But I was curious to know if Dr. E treated him inhumanely or something like that?

[nova harness]

Stealing his fingers

[left swan]

Gave him wet willys with it

[tight pagoda]

I feel like a lot of the things in Isleweaver, like the corpses of Loid and the Protoframes, feel very evil

But the stories attached to them could also just be a "don't you see where I'm coming from?" thing, and he's trying to empathize with us?

[nova harness]

Also aren’t very real

[left swan]

I believe he feeds off of hatred and pain

[signal token]

gotta love the fragmented ost

now its stucked in my head completely

[nova harness]

Feeds off emotion in general

[obtuse gyro]

Unfortunately his approach makes him more akin to Destiny's Winnower

in the way it tries to go "Can't you see that Im right?"

Same Winnower that goes "yea sure you can call me evil, but thats how it be my man"

[signal token]

the guy is in the future and the past

Still he doesnt have full control of it

[left swan]

I wish DE would just give us flat out story with cutscenes like the New War did or maybe something like D2 Final Shape and not this; go hunt for lore and find vague meaning in it all. Isn't this what Destiny 1 did and everyone hated it?

[signal token]

something like that but without having to pay for it

id love that

also while picking frames in the hermit during isleweawer event i can hear this repeated phase from the fragmented ost when changing between frames
"EYPHLAHK ISHLAM JUSS. VEY. SHATTARAH"
(took this from StalordD video)

the first part

no wait

i got it wrong

its actually the murmur combat ost

[prime lantern]

That makes him evil if the argument is that he doesn't abide by our moral code he's not evil then most evil people stop being evil

It like the penance stare operating of guilt

[signal token]

hes curious and is trying to immitate

[prime lantern]

Wally is evil

[signal token]

what we are seeing is little neci way of doing thing

if wally IS evil and want us dead

mf can just pull the plug on our powers

[prime lantern]

Says who

[signal token]

says the one making the deal

unless he cant

i did pull that out of my arse

but its his power

he gave willingly not stolen

couldnt he just yank it back

[prime lantern]

No

[tight pagoda]

If he could he probably would have

[prime lantern]

He vested his power in us

[signal token]

ah right we pissed em off

[prime lantern]

Its mine now nothing says he gets to have it back

[tight pagoda]

Unless we're doing what he wants, or he believes we can still be turned to his side

[prime lantern]

Especially considering a new being unrelated to the deal has our powers now

[signal token]

to be fair wally likes to observe and play with his food

[prime lantern]

Its like the traveler with its ghosts

[obtuse gyro]

the who?

[signal token]

plus we are his eyes and ears

[prime lantern]

Drifter

Unrelated to the deal for power has our power now

[tight pagoda]

Drifter wasn't granted the powers but they are related to the deal

[obtuse gyro]

weeeeell, I wouldnt really say "unrelated" now

[signal token]

related? more like a replace

[prime lantern]

He had his own deal sure but his deal was something else

[obtuse gyro]

wouldnt say "replace" either

[obtuse gyro]

eh?

[prime lantern]

Can't exactly pinpoint what he got out of it

[obtuse gyro]

Drifter doesnt have a separate deal

[prime lantern]

But it wasnt our power

He got a different interpretation of the same deal

[tight pagoda]

Ngl I thought it'd be that Wally set it all up so that Ballas sends the Operator into the Void Loop, then Drifter saves Operator, but not in time for them to stop Ballas from tearing a big enough hole in the Void for Wally to come through

[signal token]

can you post yt links here

[prime lantern]

Anywho point is I doubt wally can just take the power back

[tight pagoda]

Yes

[prime lantern]

You could

[signal token]

so i have been hearing this part https://youtu.be/zVGNIcUzKec?si=1OhEp6csjHIJw26v&t=15
while selecting from warframe to warframes during the isleweawer event

finally a rapper who doesnt mutters

and mumbles

[left swan]

Changing topics slightly—So the future of Warframe and what DE has planned at Tennocon, do we think it's Tau or more into the void stuff? I'm betting we r going to use more time traveling or time jumping

[zenith jacinth]

There's murmuring coming from near the kaithe

[obtuse gyro]

I say more void stuff before tau stuff

[signal token]

nonono too far tenno come back

we got 60 more protoframes to go

[zenith jacinth]

Current story arc name: void war

[signal token]

i say we need to get all of them

[zenith jacinth]

Some wouldn't make sense

[signal token]

thats the lore tablet

[signal token]

except for xaku

[zenith jacinth]

Caliban, voruna, xaku, revenant...

[signal token]

and dagath

voruna is possible

no wait shes like stalker

[zenith jacinth]

Voruna as we know her didn't exist when a left to 1999 permanently

[zenith jacinth]

She isn't

[signal token]

you knoww the protoframe we got are actually albretch stealing ballas helminth strands

[zenith jacinth]

But her current form only happened during the collapse

[signal token]

sucks to be furries fans

[zenith jacinth]

Hence why the frames I listed wouldn't work

[signal token]

i need proto gauss

[signal token]

i mean we got xaku prime

[left swan]

So only a select number of Warframes can be proto frames then?

[signal token]

oh we gatekeeping now?

[zenith jacinth]

Caliban: made by erra
Voruna: see above
Xaku: formed by accident
Revenant: even newer than our current voruna

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty much

[tight pagoda]

I have a friend who would not only start playing the game if we got ProtoGauss played by Yuri Lowenthal, but finish it in 3 days and buy as much as he could

[zenith jacinth]

Who

[terse hornet]

Well honestly I want to see a frost and ember proto frame. Give them a little love

[left swan]

Rev, Caliban, Xaku, and some others could never get proto frames given their lore?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[eternal flume]

dagath

[obtuse gyro]

xaku ez

[zenith jacinth]

Dagath existed back then

[obtuse gyro]

rev no, caliban tough

[eternal flume]

wasnt she a one-off thing tho

[zenith jacinth]

Blueprints exist

[tight pagoda]

Notably plays Spider-Man

[zenith jacinth]

Therefore strain easily could be stolen by a

[left swan]

Ok what about my Bois Dante and Chroma? I want their proto frames (and a big rework for Chroma)

[zenith jacinth]

Dante difficult, chroma ez

[zenith jacinth]

Problem: me german

[tight pagoda]

Ah

[obtuse gyro]

dante not so hard

[zenith jacinth]

Gotta find an untranslated source

[left swan]

As much as I love these two warframes I actually don't know who they're lore so can someone give me a gist of it?

[eternal flume]

could protea?

[zenith jacinth]

Chroma has one sentence

[zenith jacinth]

Easily

[signal token]

dante not so much

chroma is same case as xaku i think

dont really remember

[zenith jacinth]

Nah

[steep totem]

Yuri Lowenthal?
Original voice of teenage Ben Tennyson
Also the English voice of Sasuke Uchiha

[obtuse gyro]

chroma not even same bucket

[zenith jacinth]

Chroma is just another frame

[eternal flume]

wait how about styanax. I know nothing of his lore

[obtuse gyro]

no issues

[signal token]

SPARTAN

[zenith jacinth]

I don't know what the first one is and I despise naruto so

[zenith jacinth]

Leverian

[eternal flume]

temple can't get a prime, correct?

[steep totem]

You don't know Ben 10?
I'm a little offended, but okay
Naruto can be an acquired taste, so I get it

[zenith jacinth]

Could

[left swan]

So Chroma doesn't have a backstory and Dante is what? A close friend to Dr. E and became a research project?

[eternal flume]

how tho

[zenith jacinth]

That character's last name is tennyson?

[steep totem]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

Entrati

[eternal flume]

the prime would have to be flare themselves?

[tight pagoda]

All Warframes will get a Prime. Temple Prime could easily just be Temple evolving while in that asteroid

[zenith jacinth]

Prime is not always original

[eternal flume]

then what

[zenith jacinth]

You don't talk to varzia much huh

[eternal flume]

prime is the old version, while the default ones are the attempts at mimicing it?

[steep totem]

Depends
Sometimes it's original
Other times, it's a later enhanced version

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it could also be Ballas finding Flare after the night of the naga drums and dissecting them for study and making them into Temple Prime, a disgusting attempt to control it

[zenith jacinth]

Primes are just the best of the best, some were primed from the start, others earned it

And then there's lavos

[eternal flume]

IC

[tight pagoda]

Lavos Primed himself

[signal token]

wrong prime are either old or gilded

[gilded gazelle]

Lavos, is questionable

[signal token]

earn by trials

[steep totem]

wonder if he Primed Cedo too

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos is self-primed

[signal token]

what do you mean questionable the guy is the cook of course he deserved it

zero question needed

hes him

[left swan]

I forget the lore of Umbra prime. So can there be more of them or what exactly sets them apart

[gilded gazelle]

Fair lmao, he just thought fine I'll do it myself

[signal token]

china

[zenith jacinth]

Questionable as in how he was primed

[signal token]

only chinese player get to have umbra prime

[terse hornet]

Too bad Excalibur prime is lost to us all 😩

[tight pagoda]

Yeah Umbra Prime doesn't exist in lore

[left swan]

And Umbra ? Regular

[zenith jacinth]

Quest

[tight pagoda]

Umbra Regular is the whole Sacrifice Quest

[signal token]

umbra prime is real

chinese exclusive cause tencent

wait do people even know de is owned by tencent

[gilded gazelle]

Some people tend to either not know/care.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[tight pagoda]

Ballas takes a Dax who was about to snitch on his betrayal and turns him into an Excalibur, I think the black/Umbra aesthetic is just a vibe?

[terse hornet]

Yeah the sale happened not that long ago

[left swan]

Right it's been years since I played it. So I kind of forget exactly why he is named Umbra. And would this also suggest that it's possible for the humanmade into a Warframe and still gain its control/ sentience?

[signal token]

as long as tencent leave warframe alone then im fine with it

[eternal flume]

its a chinese exclusive because umbra existed already, I thought?

[gilded gazelle]

I mean, I think they left all creative designs with DE cuz Holy moly warframe generates them alot of money.

[zenith jacinth]

Chinese exclusive bc they didn't get regular excal prime

[left swan]

Oh okay so being Excalibur is more of a title and given ability rather than just being infested and then becoming a Warframe and then given the name Excalibur

[eternal flume]

yeah

[tight pagoda]

Umbra wasn't the original Excalibur

[eternal flume]

its a strain of the virus

[signal token]

oh wait i just realized i have same profile picture as rebecca

[zenith jacinth]

Excalibur is the particular model of frame with sword abilities

HEh

[tight pagoda]

Excal Prime I believe is confirmed to be the first Prime, and Umbra was made a lot later into the timeline

[zenith jacinth]

Good catch bot

[eternal flume]

"this one is injected with excalibur, this one with mag" etc

[left swan]

Ok ok I understand now

[eternal flume]

like how the protoframes all have (models, I think it was?)

or strains i forget

[zenith jacinth]

@eternal flume

[gilded gazelle]

Umbra's story is so sad to me.

[zenith jacinth]

Model, strain, same thing

[tight pagoda]

Interesting she changed it...

[eternal flume]

but when we meet them it says like "model:excalibur" or smth

for all of them

[tight pagoda]

Yeah they're injected with Helminth serums to make them into the Warframes we know

[terse hornet]

It's alot of sad stories. Grim dark universe so we shouldn't expect too many happy endings

[signal token]

not that dark

[tight pagoda]

I'd hardly call it grimdark

[signal token]

warframe still keep it tame

[tight pagoda]

Some lore sure, but the bulk of the game is about hope

I'd say

[terse hornet]

Grim Dark light I guess you can callbit

[left swan]

Here's an uncomfortable question—Would Jade Prime have the baby in her still or no? Would it still be during pregnancy or after, and if it's like before or during would that mutant the kid more and thus we have baby prime... Could we throw babies at them?

[eternal flume]

anyways, multiple warframes retained sentience.

dante, oraxia, dagath to name a few

oraxia got driven insane a lil later lol

[tight pagoda]

so my theory for Jade Prime is that she'll be Jade shortly after being turned, it's just that the pregnancy started draining her into base Jade

[gilded gazelle]

I never went into Oraxias lore

[steep totem]

Probably will still have the belly, but not the baby
As it's not the original Jade

[eternal flume]

at least, im pretty sure

[zenith jacinth]

Seems to still be sane, just a bit stupid

[eternal flume]

well she got driven a lil crazy by the void

[tight pagoda]

Yeah sounds like she has the same programming as the Necramechs

[gilded gazelle]

It would be funny if jade prime got the lavos treatment

[nova harness]

A Warframe that didn’t go insane is odd

[zenith jacinth]

Nah wally imitated A's voice and turned her against us

[eternal flume]

oh wha

really

thats cool

[gilded gazelle]

I dont think spiders are smart.

Thats probably why Oraxia is dumb

[zenith jacinth]

Humans usually are

[signal token]

i perfer jumping spiders

[gilded gazelle]

Oraxia isn't human though, well she isn't now.

[zenith jacinth]

Still made from a human

[eternal flume]

yeah most sentient warframes still lose a bit

[gilded gazelle]

I wonder how much you lose mentally due to the strain. Even with the sentient ones.

[eternal flume]

dagath for example lostt her emotions

[zenith jacinth]

A lot

[gilded gazelle]

Then no wonder why Oraxia is stupid.

[eternal flume]

somehow dante was still chillin tho

[zenith jacinth]

The sanity loss seems to be vaguely related to emotions and/or intellect

[zenith jacinth]

Loss of sanity is not equal to loss of intellect

[terse hornet]

The Joker

[zenith jacinth]

Good example

[steep totem]

Probably part of his design
He's a researcher, so of course he's going to be smarter than average

[eternal flume]

oooo can they do that

wait wait wait

if they could design warframes to retain sanity and intelligence they would

[zenith jacinth]

They sometimes did based on umbra

[terse hornet]

In Umbras case he was forced to lose his sanity and will

[eternal flume]

he was forced to retain a memory

[zenith jacinth]

The sanity loss was a side effect

[steep totem]

I think Umbra was more of an experiment to see if they could be made to stay 'sane'
Although Ballas coupled that with silencing him to prevent his defection from being reported

[zenith jacinth]

...sanity .:|:;

[eternal flume]

NO

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra was exclusively a punishment

[eternal flume]

NOPE

[steep totem]

Just saying, if Ballas had figured out how to keep warframes consistently autonomous and loyal, he would have phased out the Tenno children ASAP

[zenith jacinth]

He was created later in the war, taunted with possibly being turned into a tenno puppet

[steep totem]

I always got the impression that Ballas made him part of an experiment to see if he would remain autonomous and not devolve into a feral beast
^Drawing mostly from the 'single burning memory' line and the fact that it's been a few since I played The Sacrifice

[eternal flume]

yeah

[pastel frost]

where the f is that?
I can't find him on any of the 4 floating islands!

[zenith jacinth]

There's nothing hinting towards that being the case

[steep totem]

Alright then
I'm wrong 🤷‍♂️

I suppose it's entirely possible that Ballas was analyzing Umbra after the fact with that

still wish we had the ability to make other frames autonomous like Umbra, I'm sad DE scrapped that idea

[nova harness]

I'm happy they did

[eternal flume]

Should have an augment so he doesn’t lose buffs and stuff when u switch to op

[steep totem]

That's a bug, not a feature

[nova harness]

The Umbra attacking thing got annoying and the fact you need to waste a mod slot to remove it instead of just a toggleable option

[eternal flume]

Oh? That should really get fixed then

[steep totem]

I don't care
I'm not a mim-maxer
I just like the idea of my Operator fighting alongside my Warframe

And I'm disappointed I can only do that with Umbra

[eternal flume]

Could the Tenno have swapped frames mid-fight

[pliant saffron]

Oh shit

[versed cedar]

found oraxia prex

[terse hornet]

Oh yeah last night someone found the Cord in the event as well

[midnight rune]

idk if this is the right place to talk about this since it's kindof sort of pertaining to the event??
But have we always been unable to be operator in the dormizone?? I swapped to opreator cause i wanted to see how tall operator was in comparison to thrax and it's just making me use drifter for some reason.
Idk if I'm misremembering but i could have sworn we could use either or in the Dormizone???

[runic raft]

Aparently there's also loid somewhere

[noble drift]

Somacord? I've found three so far.

[steep totem]

I think it depends on how you unlock it
Duviri Paradox is Drifter
Angels of the Zariman is Operator

[midnight rune]

But you can swap between the two I thought, right? like if you enter as operator, shouldn't you be able to step around the dormizone as operator? 🤔
I might just be going a little crazy lmao. I have a memory of walking around my dormizone with operator so i was like am i. just going insane LOL was like is this a bug???

[midnight swallow]

at the top yea

[runic raft]

Yeah thats all of them

Atleast should be

Yeah three

[nova harness]

You could originally but due to Duviri being added they had to make it Drifter only

[plush swan]

I'm missing the last two Fragments from Isleweaver. Is there a guide to where they are?

[noble drift]

I have... complaints... to take up with the dev hiding multiple lore drops in the undercroft lobby with the timer.

[noble drift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1lknerx/isleweaver_all_lore_fragments_locations/ isn't bad, did at least get me in the right direction for the last few I needed.

[plush swan]

I think I'm missing two in the Undercroft lobby

[midnight rune]

If anyone needs a person to sit in a party with while they gather the ones in the undercroft lobby let me know, i'd be happy to help.

[hallow creek]

where i can find Velimir and Minerva's body on Isleweaver?

nvm i see

[hallow creek]

thx dude!

[noble drift]

I did get mine, but it was a bit of a mad scramble to get to the undercroft before the rest of the team and then scrounge around... rough locations: ||one of them is down fairly low in a bit of a hollow, the other is almost directly above it on a small island.|| Having a cooperative teammate who can help out by being lazy about joining is good plan

[plush swan]

I think you need three team-members to make it easy.

You need more Tenno outside than in to stop the countdown

[velvet wing]

How do I find the second to last fragment in the undercroft loading screeeeeeen

[warm anvil]

.

[pastel frost]

thank you so much

[gilded gazelle]

the discord notification made me have anxiety lmao but nice ive been looking for them XD

[smoky snow]

guys wth is the screen appearing after i bought oraxia parts blueprints

it was creepy does anyone know it?

[night grail]

Did it have weird text in the top left

[smoky snow]

yepp

red and white texts

[night grail]

Almost a decade old 💀

Teasing for the second dream

[smoky snow]

it was the first time that appeared to me

we're talking about the same thing right ? it was looking like a chat window with weird texts some red some white and then it closed itself

[ember cypress]

is the top left the order they are in in codex?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[night grail]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Ancient, never removed teaser

[nova harness]

Was picked then listed quickly so can't remember if it’s the actual order

[nova harness]

I'm surprised they didn't think to remove it yet

[ember cypress]

its not, undercroft last 3

[tired osprey]

In Duviri

[round stone]

Not a spoiler in the traditional sense, but I saw a feature marked [PH] when I went to retrieve a resource extractor, and was able to immediately redeploy it.

[plush swan]

For when Sol and Lua align, the lost shall find their way home

There are two eclipses this September, so it could be a reference to one of those. (total lunar, partial solar)

Alternatively, it could be a reference to the total solar eclipse from Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow's backstory that went through Europe on August 11th, 1999.

[plush swan]

This seems good enough, except for the Undercroft stuff

[night grail]

Scholar's landing only has 3 fragmenrs

And a somachord

And 3 corpses

[paper bronze]

The Corpses are really interesting

[zenith jacinth]

It's almost definitely not referring to an actual eclipse

[paper bronze]

Im sure it will be an in game thing. Lua and the hole the sentientd are in the sun will align or something

[round stone]

I've found a couple around the cave where you pick your equipment, and even a couple in the Undercroft before you load into the map

[zenith jacinth]

What

[night grail]

Yes there are 3 in each area

3 in the cave, castle town, scholar's landing, undercroft loading zone, and boss arena

[round stone]

there's some in the boss arena? Man...gonna have to scour that before starting the battle.

[night grail]

Theres a somachord also

[amber terrace]

Does anyone have a handy dandy map of Isleweaver with all of the fragments?

[plush swan]

The cave with a map is Teshin'sThrax's Cave

there's one by the plants, one by the weapons, and one by the horse

[paper bronze]

Think the isleweaver mode is gonna stay or that Orraxia's boss is going to be woven into the normal duviri cycle after the operation?

[tight pagoda]

Isleweaver is here to stay, but the Operation won't be

[paper bronze]

Thats kinda what I was thinking. I just know thrax wont stay a vendor.

[thick jolt]

Does make you curious tho, if anything about the mission will change once it ends

Like with jade the event version of the mission had far more jade eximus

[tight pagoda]

Yeah and that storyline with Parvos

[thick jolt]

Because i didnt notice anything about that in the patch notes

[tight pagoda]

which I don't think is in base-Brutus/Ascension

[thick jolt]

Parvos and ordis bickering is iirc

[paper bronze]

Its not

[plush swan]

Wally's edgy AU fanfic of Duviri will be glued to your starchart forever

[paper bronze]

I just figured since the whole operation is about unterhering the Wally Duviri from our duviri. There should be at least a few dialouge changes I would hope

[plush swan]

OH, that

Well, the endpoint is clearly that we use all of that gold to stick Thrax on the throne in the other Duviri

[thick jolt]

There is already a line by mathila saying she(neci in the wall) will try again so i think they future proofed that bit

[paper bronze]

Fair enough

Not hard to think that Wally wouldn't just give up after one attempt

I do wonder what the overarching plan for rusalka is though, since theres no way they just leave her to rot in duviri with all the little crumbs left all over the place in Min and Vel's dialouge.

[plush swan]

This kind if thing is why I say that "The Indifference"... isn't (indifferent).

"The Indifference" actually cares really a lot about this stuff, and is just trying to present itself as edgy and unaffected.

Maybe because that's what people think is cool nowadays, and it wants to be one of the cool kids

[paper bronze]

Even with this whole thing of Wally using Duviri as a sandbox, I still dont think its "evil" in traditional sense. Or maybe malicious is the right term.

[zenith jacinth]

Or after beating it

[plush swan]

Duct-tape Wally to The Chair and keep an eye on them.

They clearly can't be left unsupervised.

[paper bronze]

There is two things ive been thinking on

1. I wonder if the murmer is made up of all those alternate versions of the drifter and op that got erased in the deal. Because we basically see a whole bunch of them during that scene then end with one. Plus the comment of "two identical souls raised in different environments"
2. How much of Rusalka is still there, or are all of the clarity moments just Wally taunting us. But it doesnt seem like his normal taunting he does to the drifter

[thick jolt]

For 1 Read the description on that new dust resource

[paper bronze]

The temporal dust i know. Made up of destroyed universes

Pure entropy and so on

My main thing about it is that she'll mention that The fragmented you fight "used to look just like you"

And "we still have uses for deal breakers"

[thick jolt]

Oh didnt get that dialogue

[thick jolt]

Yeah but the bit relevant to what you asked is the part where albrecht thinks its what animates the murmur

[paper bronze]

Okay hear me out I may be insane

But what if the people who make the deal with Wally is what allows it to enter their universe?

Wally didnt mess with the ours until albrecht cut off its fingers, and proceeded to wait to do anything else until the Zariman

Where we did/nt make the deal, and allowed it into the Tenno universe.

[thick jolt]

Not sure

As far as i remember the implication was that ballas sun portal allowed it to pass through
Then we get the hole plugged by the zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Wally didn't exist until the albrecht thing

[paper bronze]

Isn't really be sure about anything woth wally tbh. This last year or so has been the most info we've gotten on him. Since his tease in War Within.

[eternal flume]

As far as we know, tho

[frail parcel]

from what i understand it seems like Albrecht was the one to open the door to the void allowing Wallie to enter into our universe

[west shoal]

Rusalka can be spat out yaaaaay!

[paper bronze]

How do we know that though? Honest question, I took awhile off from wf and missed a few things

[zenith jacinth]

Recap pc

[thick jolt]

Well he didnt enter then tho

Remember the door was closed on his fingers

[paper bronze]

What

[eternal flume]

Because when albrecht entered the void, it began to try to mimic (or take) his memories.

[thick jolt]

Behind loid there is a pc that has a recap of the story up to whispers

[paper bronze]

Oh that thing

[frail parcel]

right, sorry sometimes i get confused

[eternal flume]

Including a clone of him

[paper bronze]

I've read through all that but I may have missed something

[eternal flume]

That being said, Wally hypothetically could have existed before afaik?

[paper bronze]

Either way I'm more interested in Rusalka than the potential cosmic horror that the murmer is an alternate universe version of us.

[thick jolt]

Possibly
We don't have an actual confirmation

[west shoal]

Teshin has a mechanical "toy" leg and Thrax has a real human hand now. I think crossing universes (sans the Drifter) forces one to have to become of the new universe.
Also disappointed Thrax and Teshin aren't arguing

[thick jolt]

Just in universe theories and maybes

[paper bronze]

For all we know Wally simply didnt know we exist

[west shoal]

Do we know if there are other defense loops besides Mathila?

[eternal flume]

Thrax is pretty much human I thought

[thick jolt]

Its not "now" its always been like that

[paper bronze]

I believe Teshin got his new leg from the guy he turned into a training dummy

[west shoal]

Thrax has always had a human hand?

[eternal flume]

I mean, aside from being conceptual embodiment

[zenith jacinth]

Thrax is a creation like any other duvirian

[thick jolt]

Yeah thats why ppl had those wild thrax is a tenno theories

[eternal flume]

Well yeah

[paper bronze]

I assumed his "human" hand was like wood or something

I used to think Thrax was a third version of the operator lol

[eternal flume]

I believe you can clip your camera through his new appearance on the zariman to see him

[west shoal]

No it looks like the other people on the Zarimans

[thick jolt]

Just to reiterate we see thrax being born in the last diorama of the duviri paradox

[west shoal]

Wut

[zenith jacinth]

It looks like skin

[paper bronze]

I should really replay some of these quests lmao

[west shoal]

The book you mean?

[paper bronze]

I apperently missed some big things

[west shoal]

Same

[paper bronze]

I remember us giving the doll back to Thrax. Thats how I remember duviri ending

[thick jolt]

Remember the little scene wuth child drifter in panic, book and figure besides him and an arm coming out of the void metal?
That arm is thrax's it has the distinctive weird elbow nub

[paper bronze]

Oh that's scene

[zenith jacinth]

Gotta love the distinctive weird elbow nub

[thick jolt]

Its all in the details lol

[paper bronze]

I figured that was the start of the duviri manifestation and child drifter went to the book since its purpose is to regulate emotions during void exposure

[amber terrace]

Right— just to verify, you get the hat and medals decorations after unlocking the codex fragments?

[hasty rivet]

yes, all 15!

[plush swan]

Just to clarify: 15 fragments, not 15! fragments. 😄

EDIT: further clarification: 15! is about 1.3 trillion.

[amber terrace]

So I don’t have to find the corpses?

[plush swan]

Correct.

I found Minerva's after getting the email

[paper bronze]

So, think the Corpses are real or constructs?

[amber terrace]

I think they’re constructs?

[amber terrace]

Just listened through the Isleweaver fragments, and something I noticed, each of the entries describe an emotion present in the spirals of Duviri

Envy, Fear, Sorrow, Joy, and Anger

[tight pagoda]

Tbf that is, in-universe, just a bit of speculation partially driven from guilt/and or paranoia

[paper bronze]

I dont trust anything tangentially related to albrecht as far as I can throw him.

[jagged sable]

I feel like each of those entires were Wally appearing to Rusalka at different points in her life to try and get her to accept him willingly.

[amber terrace]

If I am to pester, is the Thalys fixed?

It’s been sitting in my foundry, calling me with its siren song, calling to me “Tiiiii~n, claim me and level me to be gooooo~oood”

[dusty helm]

how do you start the isleweaver quest?

[real niche]

It's not a quest, it's just the Triump of Dust "node" in Duviri

[plush swan]

No quest, just a new mission node

[plush swan]

Like Tyana Pass / Citrine

[dusty helm]

oh so in duviri experience?

[fossil harness]

It's unlocked after you beat the hex quest I believe

[plush swan]

No, it's a fourth node alongside Circuit / Experience / Lone Story

[fossil harness]

So if you haven't then it's stay hidden

[dusty helm]

oH

this right?

[fossil harness]

Yup

[dusty helm]

i thought it was like jade's bob thing where it was post quest mission yk

gotcha thanks

[plush swan]

So, according to Wally!Rusalka, Rusalka got a Techrot infection in her lungs and had to use something nasty to clean it out.

If we don't already have info about how she lost her arm, then my assumption is going to be that it was amputated because of a(nother) Techrot infection

[balmy storm]

It wasn’t a techrot infection
It was efervon

That’s what I had gathered anyway
She had to use it to kill the techrot that would’ve infected her

The arm part makes sense though

I really need all the new dialogue on the archives lmao

[plush swan]

The screenshot I have has this bit

Neci Rusalka: "dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs."

Also, apparently that's when Wally made the deal with her?

So it's also possible that she just, like, traded an arm and a leg like in FMA.

[paper bronze]

See that specific line of dialouge makes me wonder if Rusalka is still there rather than just a puppet. And why he needs her body when he just chooses to look like the op.

[wild wind]

he needs a different body to get into 1999

Like, as strong as he is, he's not all powerful, he has to take certain steps to do things

If he wants to show up in person, he needs to send the Fragmented One to open a door big enough for him

In order for the Fragmented One to show up, the Murmur need be around

And for the Murmur to be around, something has to open a door and act as a beacon

In the Origin System, that's presumably the Heart of Deimos

In 1999, that was Rusalka, until we caught her and he bailed

[paper bronze]

Makes sense. I was just missing one connection for it to make sense

Side note I realized you can see the lab from the undercroft

[balmy storm]

The poison is the efervon

Also she lost the arm before she met Wally it seems

[paper bronze]

Sometime after leaving Mon and Vel and before Wally

[plush swan]

Is there a legit way to view the dialogue outside of recording gameplay?

[inner flint]

Vor is coming back boys )-( !

[tight pagoda]

Eventually it'll be on the wiki

[plush swan]

The Temporal Archimedea dialogue still doesn't seem to be on the wiki

[tight pagoda]

Primed Soon

[plush swan]

For example: for some reason, it is super important to never feed pizza to a Legacyte on a Thursday

[west shoal]

Who is feeding Pizza to Legacyte's?!

[plush swan]

Drifter, in a doomed timeline

[remote raft]

Anyone know if I can up my odds of getting the eyeball ephemera because it's the last thing I need

[west shoal]

I have this weird theory. Namely Wally being like "how cruel! The Scholar meant for her to help you!" And then Mathila being like "but this spider will climb back up the waterspout!"
What if Oraxia is snagging the strands of Khra and dragging them close for us to snap apart?

[woeful heart]

will we getting any quest for Entrati or anything in this update or it was just event?

[west shoal]

Like it looks like she's not helping. She is actively holding the thing and in the way etc. But if she weren't involved the job would be much harder-
Like she's collecting the flies but can't kill them. Just collects them in her nest (Scholars landing)
Then gets mad when we invade the nest to kill the fly. Flies are all in one location. Oraxia's quest is the one constant in the loop

[plush swan]

On the Infestation <-> Void connection, from Temporal Archimedea:

Kaya: "You ever, like, wonder if Techrot utilizes Void energy at the molecular level? Like, if we could prove that was true… We need evidence."

Kaya: "So, Marty, you came here through the Helminth, right? Bonkers idea! What if Techrot is entangled with the temporal dimension! I wanna see what happens to my chronometer readings when you take out a whole bunch at once. Go."

Kaya: "Fun fact. Legacyte ancestral memory runs across multiple timelines! Nobody knows how they do it!"

waaaait

[west shoal]

Oh that's busted if so

[plush swan]

follow with me for a sec:

• In Isleweaver, the Fragment email talks about "when Sol and Lua align"
• The total solar eclipse of 1999 is on a Wednesday
• In Temporal Archimedea, Kaya says you should never feed pizza to a Legacyte on a ThursdayTuesday
• In Temporal Archimedea, Kaya asks Velimir: "So if this comes down to keeping the timeline we know and love, OR getting Neci back…"

What if... Drifter feeding pizza to a Legacyte on August 12th10th, 1999 messes up the timeline and allows Neci to be able to escape the previousnext day? (August 11th, 1999)

[west shoal]

Viktor could be the one chucking Pizzas at Legactyes

[plush swan]

The line is:

Kaya: "Good run, all. We identified some real doozies on the timeline. So as long as Drifter never feeds pizza to a Legacyte on a Tuesday, we oughtta be good..."

[west shoal]

Ah
Does Helminth count as a Legacyte then? Or Eleanor? We know she's considered competition

Or it could be a joke

[plush swan]

Yeah, I suppose it could just be a joke

[west shoal]

It would be funnier though if the Drifter romantically was feeding Eleanor some pizza and Kaya breaks in like "you just ruined the timeline!"

[gilded dove]

Quincy has a pet rat now and it's so cute, he thought it was Lettie's but it was a random mall rat

[west shoal]

On his model?

[gilded dove]

In his KIM message, I thought it was cute he feed it pizza and talked to it

[night grail]

Where the hell did you hear this

[plush swan]

Temporal Archimedea:

Kaya: "Good run, all. We identified some real doozies on the timeline. So as long as Drifter never feeds pizza to a Legacyte on a Tuesday, we oughtta be good..."

wait

[night grail]

Drifter is kinda a silly goober

[plush swan]

Tuesday, not Thursday

[night grail]

So Thursday is fine?

[gilded dove]

Ok Quincy needs names for his new pet rat that he found

[gilded dove]

All of them are kinda silly goober, Eleanor told me Arthur uses "The Voice" lmao

[plush swan]

aaaand... Eleanor's birthday is on a Tuesday

[night grail]

Trying so hard to not smile

[plush swan]

More data is required :3

[wraith whale]

LOL

[gilded dove]

Wow even they know what toys are 🤣

[plush swan]

The three types of toy in the Origin system:

• Floofs
• The kind Varzia likes
• Dominus Thrax

Oh, I guess there's also Noggles, so not just three

[night grail]

Articula

Also the solaris truck

[plush swan]

And Rell has that thingy

[wraith whale]

But doesn't that imply that there are ... other toys? 👀

[night grail]

The naberus mobil for babies

Pet toys

[gilded dove]

I'm still curious what Eleanor means by "The Voice" that Arthur has 🤣

[plush swan]

... do you mean the kind that Varzia would talk about?

[wraith whale]

Oh, no. Varzia is very wholesome and innocent.

She just really appreciates .. texture.

[plush swan]

Yeah, Varzia just wants to Varzia Maroo and Teshin.

She's grown out of unwholesome stuff like serving the Orokin. 🙂

[gilded dove]

Unless she's trying to say he has an accent? I don't hear it 😂

[wild wind]

Eleanor needs a bonk

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-vào-mặt-cái-cám-bonk-anime-bonk-meme-bonk-dog-gif-26069974

But no, she means that Arthur has a manly voice, and some people react very positively to it when he's in certain moods

[gilded dove]

Oh, now I understand why she said "we should donate your body to science" after I said it doesn't affect me

[keen obsidian]

last 2 is in the arena or undercroft lobby?

[wild wind]

undercroft lobby

[keen obsidian]

dang it.

wish there was a way to make it not auto transit for 10s in solo..

[ripe crow]

the undercroft ones are in a line one on the little island and the other under the lip just before that island

[keen obsidian]

i think only one i got in undercroft is the one behind on spawn i can't find the other 2 before i get yoinked to the stage

[ripe crow]

they are all at roughly the same height to grab

it is possible to grab them all in the 10 seconds but it is annoing

other option is hoping others don't hop in before you grab them

[obtuse gyro]

arent there 3 of them?

[ripe crow]

yep but the one is pretty much in plane view

the other 2 are on a tiny floating island and tucked behind a pillar down on a lip

[obtuse gyro]

oh so you mean, one on the initial platform, one on a lip below an island, one on an island?

[ripe crow]

yep in a strait line of eachother

[obtuse gyro]

wonderful time to find the 3rd one

[ripe crow]

the lip one you can see from the island one

and vise virsa

[keen obsidian]

oh wait its not 10s its 5s

just been trying for 4 hours now

[wild wind]

I mean, get a group and ask them to wait 10 seconds while you grab the fragments

[fast vortex]

i failed, everybody striked to finish the misson

still need to get the last but one fragment

[balmy storm]

Exactly why they added that tbh

[acoustic heron]

how many hours does it take to complete tnw?

[obtuse gyro]

eh about 2

[acoustic heron]

oh, thats way shorter than i expected

cuz i heard alot of people say tnw takes so long to complete

so i expected like 10 hours or smt

[obtuse gyro]

well, 10 hrs is to me genuinely and I mean it most sincerely

a skill issue

like genuinely you'd need to reevaluate how youre approaching the game if youre taking 10 hrs

like a whole what is going wrong and what can be done to make it not wrong

[acoustic heron]

OMG I GET TO PLAY AS A GRINEER THIS IS SO COOL

AND AS A CORPUS TOO? THIS IS PEAK!!

[warm anvil]

3-5 hours is average

[warm anvil]

veso-r my beloved

[midnight swallow]

"what a beautiful face to behold"

operator animation sets just working on drifter but not being a thing you can do outside of dormizone

[warm anvil]

show them all please

[tight pagoda]

Do they still have this?

Entering the Dormizone Captura with operator equipped caused this to happen

[midnight swallow]

kind of

skinny boy

[low abyss]

After you complete the new war do the veil breaker quest, you'll be pleasantly surprised

[acoustic heron]

am i gonna be playing as the drifter for the whole tnw

[nova harness]

No

[tight pagoda]

You'll get your arsenal back eventually

[acoustic heron]

bro i just encountered a bug

when i got to the part where the drifter puts the thing on his head

i started clipping through walls bro

my god dude i had to restart the game

i lost progress

im gonna have to redo that stealth thing again

this sucks

[tight pagoda]

This is considered the most tedious part of the New War

so once you're past it you should be good

[next hatch]

lol just a heads up the warden for kullervo is bugged now

[tight pagoda]

How so?

If he's not appearing, it's possible you have Kullervo as one of the main 6 objectives for your run

[next hatch]

every time i have tried to talk to him weather is in open lobby or solo it his dialog boxes bug out and dont appear and im stuck talking too him

have to alt f4 evey time cuz im just stuck

[tight pagoda]

Ah yeah that's definitely a bug then

Hope they fix it soon then, really annoying they added a whole bunch of Capturas to the store for Kullervo Bane right after I decided to use my spare ones on credits since I didn't expect there to be anything else, lol

[next hatch]

fr

[severe badge]

so circling back around to this, im 90% sure this KIM chat is bugged? ive been checking the messages at daily reset and nothing yet

[obtuse gyro]

might need to wait for eight claw to end

[severe badge]

oh well time will tell

[zenith jacinth]

They added one

[tight pagoda]

ah

[tight pagoda]

Could be some other collectibles?

Though from the looks of things ||it should trigger when you get the email from her||

[robust swallow]

oooh, secrets

[gilded gazelle]

when did people get this?

Is it a like a hidden milestone?

[zenith jacinth]

Find all new fragments

[plush swan]

Collect all 15 fragments in Isleweaver

[nova harness]

Gotta get all the hidden fragments from new Duviri place

[plush swan]

they look like the regular Duviri fragments

[gilded gazelle]

Ah I see

[zenith jacinth]

Except green

[gilded gazelle]

Im gonna have to look out for more, im half way into collecting all of them

[plush swan]

And they're in the new node (Isleweaver) insteadd of the regular Duviri nodes (Experience, Lone Story)

[zenith jacinth]

Did you get the ones in the undercroft loading area

[gilded gazelle]

I got 2, is there more?

[zenith jacinth]

3 iirc

[robust swallow]

3 in the Teshin cave, 3 in the undercroft lobby area, 3 in the fragmented boss arena, 6 around the rest of the island

[zenith jacinth]

Based pfp

[undone lodge]

The loading area?

[gilded gazelle]

Sweet ill make sure to have a look for the rest

[zenith jacinth]

What else am I supposed to call it

[undone lodge]

Are they at least in easy to reach places

[gilded gazelle]

Pretty much, the first 2 ain't that far to get

[zenith jacinth]

One is right by the place where you enter

[gilded gazelle]

Idk where the 3rd one is

[zenith jacinth]

Just gotta listen for them

[gilded gazelle]

Its that one at the far end I havent gotten yet

[shut fox]

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[zenith jacinth]

Explosion

[shut fox]

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[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[robust swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/kks-duar-explosion-megumin-konosuba-gif-16957822

[zenith jacinth]

It was difficult to keep myself from just sending one of those gifs

[nova ridge]

Perfect spot for the special reward of finding the fragments. 😄

[gilded gazelle]

Thats such a good idea to place them!

[nova ridge]

Thanks!

[nova harness]

I'd prefer if we could actually wear them tbh

[nova ridge]

I'd love that too.

[gilded gazelle]

I really want Rasulka's gas mask for my drifter. Would look really cool!

[nova ridge]

Saaaaaaame. That would be awesome. We can get a LITTLE bit like that with the Scaldra stuff, but not exact.

[gilded gazelle]

Its no where near perfection!

[nova ridge]

Could even be something we get in a next large update. I still get a feeling that we'll be getting more stuff with Rusalka in terms of story, announced at Tennocon.

[gilded gazelle]

We will never exactly know until tennocon anyways but oh boy I am excited for the next big update

[peak heath]

I'm surprised I haven't been able to tell Velimer and Minerva that we've had to return to duiviri with our child soldier friends to hold off an invasion by their possessed daughter.

Your daughter is attempting regime change. They'd be so proud.

[nova harness]

That would only be half truth

[peak heath]

True, but she's only half there anyways. So it fits.

[faint current]

"legendary"

[gilded gazelle]

So this is where all my luck has gone to?

[faint current]

is not your luck since I stole it

[paper bronze]

Imagine we failed the operation and they just delete duviri from the starchart

[supple dagger]

this is pretty late into the arg game but the phone behind arthur doesn't have the prompt to hang up, does that mean i can't continue playing it or?

[wicked iron]

The ARG ended quite some time ago, yeah.

The wiki has all the information from it, though!

[warm anvil]

i also highly recommend the ARGrakata site because that's where majority of the ARG puzzle solving happens. and they document the whole process of the community

@supple dagger

[faint current]

sounds like a reward tho

[supple dagger]

I appreciate it! I guess I won't be able to continue it though since the dial up connection part keeps saying "line is busy"

[faint current]

Some functions & rewards have also been disabled since it officially was over & 1999 released.

(exclusive rewards, baby!)

[plush swan]

Wally!Rusalka seems to think that the Elements in Alchemy (or at least the combinations thereof) are "unnatura", and gets kinda mad about it

[faint current]

that is interesting

[supple dagger]

ngl i wasn't doing it for the rewards i've been getting more into the lore recently and i wanted to experience it first hand

[zenith jacinth]

Nuh uh

[dim heath]

i do have a question after doing the operation for hours lol. Wally is controlling Rusalka right? She isn't in there and he's just munipulating us with things she'd say right?

[real niche]

She's possessed, yeah

[zenith jacinth]

More or less

[dim heath]

Okay that just makes a certain lines they say even more creepy. Honstly I think Wally is just lonely and has no social skills.

[zenith jacinth]

Better to look up the ARGs somewhere since most of the things in-game get disabled after completion

[faint current]

yu ush

[zenith jacinth]

Uh... spelling error?

[plush swan]

Interesting quote:

Wally!Rusalka: "Human hands achieve what figments cannot"

[hallow isle]

I'd like if the timer weren't so damn short to get these fragments. Got the first without issue, the 2nd and 3rd in there are a major headache to get, solo and in a squad, because any players that queue up with me just blast through there.

[radiant finch]

i'm curious, after Operation eight claws, how will we access Isleweaver?

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing stated yet

[radiant finch]

i'm thinking since it follows similar to Lone Story, that it'll be a 50/50 choice of whether its spiral or Isleweaver for Lone Story

[balmy storm]

The node will stay

And Oraxia’s pity shop will be with Acrithis
And
Already is

Also technically the triumph of dust story takes place during the joy spiral

[radiant finch]

oh, well then

[shut fox]

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[zenith jacinth]

No need to spoiler tag in the spoiler channel

[warm anvil]

behind you i think

[robust swallow]

didn't Thrax say that Matilla was the only one who stayed loyal? So it's not necessarily joy, but the only one who remained

[warm anvil]

once you enter that room it's to the right

[balmy storm]

Wally got in through Mathila

Also iirc Thrax basically threatens for Mathila to stay loyal or else
I haven’t heard anything on the other courtiers

[shut hill]

Has anyone found the puddle of Dead Loid and the Statue of Rusalka in the new event map?

[balmy storm]

Puddle??

Bro is just in the dust lmao

[robust swallow]

Main tower, midpoint and the highest spire

[balmy storm]

Minerva is somewhere too

Maybe velimir too but unsure

[shut hill]

He's a puddle lmao

[balmy storm]

He’s not a puddle

He’s in a pile of dust

[shut hill]

I'll accept puddle of dust to meet you in the middle ground on this

[balmy storm]

I won’t cause it’s not a puddle :p

[livid portal]

What's that orokin text at Rusalkas throne??

[warm anvil]

bend thy knee. i believe. just go operator

[livid portal]

Does it do anything?

[warm anvil]

spawns a crate or a spooder

[livid portal]

Thank you!

[pastel frost]

where is the Prex card supposed to be, I can't find it...

[robust swallow]

there is an alcove a little lower on the island

though i'm not sure whether you need max oraxia as usual or it just appears

huh

[pastel frost]

yeah, no idea what those are either

[robust swallow]

i mean, wouldn't it be cool if the next big update happened on the eclipse day?

[wild wind]

Wally confirmed for being a bigot

[robust swallow]

pure elements are in chaos in the void, and we are giving them form, and combine them

[wild wind]

so, we're littering

[robust swallow]

it's like building a lego castle with whatever blocks you have and then some guy comes and starts rearranging blocks into some pattern disassembling the whole castle in the process

like thank you, but it was fine the way it is

[zenith jacinth]

Have you maxed oraxia

[shut fox]

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[pastel frost]

no, that you for the info why I can't find it then