spoiler-chat

[tight pagoda]

Anyone who named theirs Sirius will be disappointed because he will rename himself Orion

Stalker's surname? Pax (Jade shadows announced at PAX east supports this)

Thus

Orion Pax

when he becomes a playable character, he will be Optimus. 4 years later...

https://tenor.com/view/optimus-prime-transformers-autobots-i-am-optimus-prime-gif-3366374337420679747

[eternal flume]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-optimus-prime-transformers-earthspark-you-got-it-right-winking-gif-27166796

[balmy storm]

I’m very curious to see what they do with Stalker’s child

[wild wind]

Us in ten years: "Man remember when there was a Warframe baby, that was crazy"

[balmy storm]

“I hope they do something with that. No? Okay…”

[dark belfry]

inb4 child actually becomes a warframe and is absolutely busted.

[muted merlin]

do we know island weaver date? didnt catch stream today

[fading current]

All we know is within the next 2 weeks lol

I’m predicting the 25th tbh. Last week of June.

[balmy storm]

It already is a warframe and has the jade light
So

[dark belfry]

I mean a playable one.

[fading current]

The operator to the stalker when the child is fully matured: “so uh…mind if I take a blueprint of your kid back to my foundry???”

[surreal socket]

i think they kind of spoiled in the devshort that its at the end of june

[zenith jacinth]

There wouldn't be any blueprints

[fading current]

There would be if Ordis got a chance to scan the frame hehe

[zenith jacinth]

...no. most likely not

[fading current]

Hey he managed to blueprint umbra in the foundry from a few scans and the vitruvian so who knows!!!

[zenith jacinth]

Primarily the vitruvian

I don't think we'd need to make a duplicate if the child ever grows up

[fading current]

Up to DE lol

[zenith jacinth]

Another free quest frame wouldn't be surprising imo

[fading current]

Not at all

But the blueprint thing was meant as a joke lol. I wasn’t actually being serious about us taking a whole blueprint of the kid back with us. Just being silly.

[lone axle]

stood here for at least 30 seconds, none of them know i was here

[limpid echo]

Is it me or does oraxia passive really sounds kinda useless?

[tropic venture]

her 1 will likely count as a Finisher

[limpid echo]

Ok? Still don't see the point increase her hp

[tropic venture]

Might be that she has something that scales off her max HP, hard to say at this point

[limpid echo]

Wouldn't it be way simpler just use the health mod then

[tropic venture]

I mean, you'll want both, that doesn't make the passive useless

[balmy storm]

I wanna say they were gonna look at health tanking so maybe it’ll be good for that?

Also not the first time a frame has had a useless passive

[limpid echo]

Sigh, and I hoped passive is either wall movement or auto Dodge on certain attack like spider sense

[tropic venture]

That's her 4

[balmy storm]

I do hope that her 4 procs arcane arachne

[tropic venture]

4 will likely count as a wall-latch

[balmy storm]

It better!

I need arachne to work on spiderframe!

[obtuse gyro]

the way its phrased essentially says so

targetted surface

[balmy storm]

I’m glad that it seems they figured out her spider legs :)

[thick jolt]

Dunno if they figured walking but seems they at least figured getting to the surface

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait to put archon continuity and a green corrosive shard on her

[balmy storm]

They showed her walking on a devshort
Also bullet jumping

[thick jolt]

Nice

[balmy storm]

No wall climbing footage iirc but I’m assuming they figured that out enough

[tropic venture]

we saw a picture of that

[limpid echo]

Well, hopefully her weapons at least synergize, like the more HP you have the more damage it deals, wait a min, isn't this better for inaros and nidus?

[balmy storm]

Depends if it only procs with her
We shall see

But ueah it could be good for large health frames

[gentle cape]

half of mesa's passive is also useless (the hp thing) so. 🧍🏻‍♂️

[limpid echo]

ohhhh yeah, if no melee equppied, plus 50hp, wow

[balmy storm]

They need to redo some old passives tbh

[limpid echo]

dont think pablo would prio it

[balmy storm]

Probably not unless they were reworking that frame

[limpid echo]

exactly, no way in hell mesa would get a rework, mesa works fine

[thick jolt]

They could be slowly working on them and they just release once they have enough ready

[balmy storm]

Most of the useless passives are harmless enough that it is very low priority

[gentle cape]

........i cant tell if youre being sarcastic at me or at the passive...

[steep orbit]

Fight back

[north hamlet]

Oh god the new murmur enemy has detailed lips, I hate that

WHY DOES IT HAVE JUICY LIPS

[lone axle]

logs in

aoi next to the somachord
"It isn't too bad, being here, like this?"

cut through starts playing
"I like to be here, alone with you..."

tears

[frozen crater]

You are wrong here.

There is one mystifier that allows you to increase strength using the maximum amount of health

[graceful zodiac]

It doesn't matter either way, that was the wrong passive listed for Oraxia

[woven plank]

Is her passive the invis one or the hp one?

Im under the impression it's the invis one

[nova harness]

Invis one, Pablo said that health one was early thing they did that was changed

[woven plank]

flames

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-on-sand-leaving-footprints-at-the-beach-seashore-seaside-gif-15740264

How it feels knowing I won't be able to play Isleweaver the second it comes out

[eternal flume]

rip

I wont be able to watch the stream to get valkyr

[wild wind]

Opposite boat for me, my flatmate is taking off that week and some friends cancelled plans to visit.

Going to order a pizza and stock up on drinks and do nothing else for a day or two

[jade crypt]

L thats why ill never work

(im lying... i think?)

[tight pagoda]

Not working, leaving on a flight to NYC for a month (because travelling all that way for just 3 days makes no sense) so I can go to TennoCon in July

[lucid blaze]

the "something big is coming" part in party of your lifetime reminds me of this meme 😭😭😭https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15iFI8UUhA&list=RDX15iFI8UUhA&start_radio=1

[stiff elm]

How you guys feel about Oraxias kit so far?

[reef arrow]

the 4 is a seriously hard carry

[crystal agate]

^

3 might be good depending on tuning

but her first 2 abilities sound like nonstarters overall tbh

[river kite]

Cool

[obtuse gyro]

Honestly 3 is the one Im subbing off, 1 leans into equi and 2 is a snare + damage vuln, likely similar in use like sea snare

unless her children are based af Im okay with going child-free

[crystal agate]

need to see the tuning tbh but her 1 is single target

unless the orb drop chance is basically guaranteed I don't see it being very valuable

[obtuse gyro]

inb4 its like a 50% base chance

[crystal agate]

50% scaling with strength would be acceptable

[balmy storm]

Imagine if you can use it with voruna’s subsume

[obtuse gyro]

I think comparatively we can look at things like say uuuuh Nezha? Maybe oberon, gara ember for a rough idea where different benchmarks are in practise

[crystal agate]

her passive seems very questionable though

wall latch for stealth? why

it's thematic but I don't see it being very useful

[balmy storm]

Her 4

[jade crypt]

lucky

[tropic venture]

her 4 will likely count as wall-latch

[slow halo]

Wouldn’t that be a bit too busted cause of Arcane arachne?

I guess the arcane is alr BiS for her cause of the passive but still

[tropic venture]

tbf if any frame should be able to use it it's her

[lucid blaze]

de didn't have to call me out like that

is it just me or is stalker a big edgy nothingburger

[thick jolt]

Probably just you, especially after that quest

[gentle cape]

if you still feel this way after finishing that quest: definitely just you.

[lucid blaze]

Hurr durr evil edgy guy shows emotion 10/10 never before seen writing

[real niche]

We gonna forget his complete shock when he first discovered the Operator

I'm not too shocked at the story telling in Jade, I think it's adequate, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking Stalker is one-note

[gentle cape]

yup. just you.

everyone wants him to be playable after they finished the quest.

[tropic venture]

Fellows will see a good execution of an established trope and say "this is unoriginal trash"

[lucid blaze]

never said it's bad

[nova harness]

He is playable after the quest though

[lucid blaze]

just very surface-level

[gentle cape]

only in duviri circuit.

[lucid blaze]

i guess i just have high standards ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic venture]

all Duviri modes, not just Circuit

[nova harness]

Nah you could use him in the event that came with the quest

[gentle cape]

...i only ever see him in cir—OH YEAH BOTB EVENT TOO i forgot abt it

[steep totem]

People will say that about anything established
Imo, they're the ones who are unoriginal trash by complaining about it

[tropic venture]

he can be available for Lone Story and Duviri Experience as well, not just the Circuit

[gentle cape]

huh... i never saw him in those other modes.

[steep totem]

Stalker in Duviri is fun

[nova harness]

That’s because you only can use him temporarily outside of Circuit

[real niche]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, it's really hard to care a whole lot about Stalker when most people's interaction with him is solely from his invasion and like him being an edgelord that hunts you down and they know squat else about him.

I get where the dude's coming from in that regard.

[lucid blaze]

him caring for a warframe that one time=/= dimensionality

[real niche]

...That's his wife

[gentle cape]

.......

[lucid blaze]

and where has THAT been stated?

[gentle cape]

in the quest. itself.

[lucid blaze]

because it wasn't stated ANYWHERE in the quest

[real niche]

HER NAME IS JADE

[lucid blaze]

point at it then

[lucid blaze]

YES???????

[nova harness]

Did you skip the cutscenes?

[lucid blaze]

No?????????

[gentle cape]

so not only did you Not pay attention but you also went ahead & thought hes nothingburger. tell me youre a dmg-only player without telling me.

[steep totem]

As do I
However, I get really irritated when the only thing I hear about how mid or bad a quest is
There comes a point when that just gets old

[lucid blaze]

how curios. you didn't mention the point where it's stated in the story

almost as if you pulled it out your ass

[gentle cape]

its literally in the entire quest.

THE WHOLE QUEST. not just one part of it.

[tropic venture]

"You're going to be a father, Sorren."

[real niche]

Jade (the woman) in the flashbacks from earlier is Jade (the Warframe). The entire thing was about them being turned into Warframes because she's pregnant. That's why you help Jade give birth in the quest

[lucid blaze]

and where is the quest calling shadow sorren? NEVER

[tropic venture]

That quote is from the quest

[lucid blaze]

YES BUT IT NEVER SAYS WHO SORREN IS

IMPLICATION DOES NOT COUNT

[gentle cape]

"sorren..."

[gentle cape]

IT DOES. YOU JUST LACK COMPREHENSION SKILLS THIS SO FUNNYJGJCBSKCBSNFBD

[real niche]

Who else could it be! There's like 5 whole characters in the quest

[nova harness]

Jade calls Stalker Sorren at the start of the quest

[lucid blaze]

people on their deathbed always mention their loved ones? are you a moron?

[steep totem]

This might be the wrong game for you, then
I've seen virtually nothing but implication throughout the entire Warframe questline

[gentle cape]

that wasnt where she said his name... bc she cant talk as a frame. she said in a flashback REPEATEDLY.

this so

[tropic venture]

Have you ever heard of "Show, don't tell"

[lucid blaze]

WHEN SHE WAS TALKING TO SORREN???????

bruh these people

[gentle cape]

YES BECAUSE THATS STALKER'S NAME LMAO

[lucid blaze]

show me where it's stated in the quest

or at least clearly implied

[gentle cape]

bro came in swinging & expected us not to bring the attitude. ok.

[eternal flume]

“Before he became the Stalker, he was once a Low Guardian named Sorren who served the Orokin, and was engaged in an unsanctioned relationship with an individual known as Jade”

Literally in the wiki

[tropic venture]

Sorren and Stalker have the exact same voice

[real niche]

That's not from the quest, Melp

[gentle cape]

its literally in the whole game.

[lucid blaze]

ah yes

lemme open up a wiki containing spoilers MID QUEST

[eternal flume]

They don’t believe the quest…

[steep totem]

I mean, it is Stalker who is remembering this flashback
And judging from the contents of, it was clearly a private conversation

[gentle cape]

they lack media comprehension so we gotta use other sources.

[steep totem]

Who else could Sorren be?

[lucid blaze]

you literally aren't even aware of what people act on their deathbed

probably 14 or smthn

[real niche]

The fact that Jade is both the person and the Warframe, and that the only other person that Jade has been seen communicating with in any part in the quest is with her.

[tropic venture]

ahh yes cause all people die the same

[gentle cape]

[eternal flume]

Stalker wasn’t on his deathbed and this is his flashback

[lucid blaze]

it's never stated that it's his

we literally see things we have no way of seeing during the main quest so don't bs me

that it's obviously hjs

[nova harness]

Jade at the start of the quest says to Stalker “Sorren” because that’s his name before he was given the Stalker batch

[gentle cape]

the whole quest was from stalker's pov.

[lucid blaze]

and?

[steep totem]

now how did I forget to mention pov?

[gentle cape]

he wasnt dying lmao

[lucid blaze]

i think you might be slow

[lucid blaze]

she was on her DEATHBED

[gentle cape]

glad you looked at the mirror!

[lucid blaze]

PREGNANT WITH A BABY OF COURSE SHE'D BE MENTIONING HER HUSBAND

LITERALLY WHAT IS THIS LMAO

[nova harness]

Jade wasn’t on her deathbed she only died after giving birth

[steep totem]

Alright, let's stop this
This is going nowhere

[gentle cape]

WHO HAPPENED TO BE STALKER SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO HER

[lucid blaze]

so why did he have to get her medicine then? lol

[eternal flume]

Lemme find it, the description for the low guardian chest plate states that he was sorren

[lucid blaze]

did you play the quest?

[real niche]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Jade's_Promise
Anyway, here have this if you want extra info. Sorren is Stalker.

[gentle cape]

im done. im going back to my cdrama.

[tropic venture]

Said husband has the exact same voice as Stalker

[lucid blaze]

because stalker's voice isn't heavily edited nor is he quiet all the time

👍

[tropic venture]

he got a new VA with Jade Shadow's release for that very purpose

[lucid blaze]

you're the kind of people to think walter white is a good guy

[nova harness]

Because something was draining her energy

[lucid blaze]

and how would that be a problem if she wouldn't die????????????????????????????

what did you expect to happen when she's drained????????

why did hunhow tell him to ask for tenno help? if nothing would happen?

[real niche]

Okay but I'm pretty sure she was dying then lol

Hunhow flat said as much

[eternal flume]

@lucid blaze “Before he became the Stalker, the Low Guardian Sorren was awarded this mark of valor and loyalty by his Orokin masters. Now, it is yours to claim in acknowledgement of the Orokin's downfall.”

[tropic venture]

It was impossible for her to actually give birth, so she had to just kill herself to "birth" the baby

[eternal flume]

That’s the description of the low guardian chest plate

[lucid blaze]

if you need outside content to explain the story then your writing is not good

[steep totem]

Oh right, the Low Guardian medal
That description is definitive proof

[eternal flume]

Holy shit

[nova harness]

That's not outside content that came with the quest

[lucid blaze]

AT THE END OF IT

AS AN ITEM

[eternal flume]

Anyways, this says more about your reading comprehension than the quest.

[real niche]

Not sure how everyone else here figured out the connection without these extra things, then

[gentle cape]

-# theyre a lost cause.

[steep totem]

Then leave
You obviously don't like the writing anymore
Why are you still here then?
To complain?
Please, stop wasting our time and just go

[lucid blaze]

sorry for having standards

[thick jolt]

Those arent standards

[lucid blaze]

you don't have to read it lol

[eternal flume]

This isn’t something I needed, because I got the obvious implication. This is something you apparently needed to understand that they were the same person.

[gentle cape]

more like none at all

[lucid blaze]

implications NEED clarification if you're planning to tell the answer anyway

in the story not in an item

[real niche]

Again, the quest wasn't break out amazing, but I don't get how you couldn't see that Sorren and Stalker were the same person without needing explicit confirmation from other places because of it when the only characters we see Jade interact with directly are Stalker and Sorren.

[nova harness]

At the start of the quest you hear Jade call Stalker Sorren

[thick jolt]

What did you need "sorren, you who will become a warframe and hunt tenno in the future as stalker, you will be a father"?

[lucid blaze]

why do i even bother

[thick jolt]

This was just sad to read

[lucid blaze]

they could've just made it so she says sorren when they hold hands?

[nova harness]

Pretty sure she does

[eternal flume]

If the quest was “hey guys this is the entire life of stalker transpiring in real time” THAT would be terrible writing

[lucid blaze]

she doesn't they're both silent

[thick jolt]

I have standards, those standards being completely in the face long winded exposition

[lucid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[thick jolt]

Really just sad

[proper axle]

Telling my kids this is ON-LYNE

[lucid blaze]

anyway i'll go spend my time actually having fun you guys should go watch avengers or something i'm sure you'll love it

such depth

mariana trench basically

[tropic venture]

ok feetlover16

[crystal agate]

sorry am I reading this incorrectly

[lucid blaze]

you found out that i'm funny, congratulations

[crystal agate]

did someone really not figure out sorren was stalker from just the quest alone

[steep totem]

Nope

[steep totem]

Yep

[lucid blaze]

LMAO I JUST REALIZED IT'S EVEN WORSE NOW

[crystal agate]

"but why does it say 'some animals are more equal than others'? that doesn't even make sense!"

[lucid blaze]

THEY TURNED HERE INTO AN INFECTED MONSTROSITY WITH A BABY

AND STALKER STILL HATES TENNO FOR KILLING THE OROKIN

peak writing

[thick jolt]

[lucid blaze]

that's not stalker genius

[eternal flume]

Oh please the deepest book you’ve ever read was a dictionary.

And you probably still didn’t understand half the words

[nova harness]

Jade: "You're going to be a father, Sorren."

Sorren: "But... the Legems! If the Lords found out

That's not silent

[thick jolt]

Are we sure they know what a dictionary is?

[crystal agate]

tbf not understanding word is the reason you woudl read a dictionary

[lucid blaze]

i am betting my entire left asscheek you haven't read a single book outside of school

[tropic venture]

He did not know Jade was also turned into a Warframe, Ballas held the promise of letting him see her again like a carrot on a stick. With the Orokin gone, Stalker assumed he would never meet her again

[lucid blaze]

that's never stated anywhere in the story

[eternal flume]

After reading the dictionary I meant

[sacred spade]

That is stalker

[crystal agate]

the thing is, like

[thick jolt]

This has gone past sad into pathetic and pitifull

[crystal agate]

if stalker isn't sorren

then who the hell would he be? lmao

[lucid blaze]

self reflection is important my guy

[nova harness]

At this point he's just trolling

[crystal agate]

like here's this story about jade and her husband, also here's a bunch of screentime of stalker for a completely unrelated reason

[eternal flume]

Nooo it’s sorren how the hell am I supposed to assume he’s stalker

[lucid blaze]

i'm not saying he isn't wtf is this lmao

[eternal flume]

You were

[thick jolt]

Feels less pathetic that way doesnt it?

[crystal agate]

I'm saying how did you not reach the extremely obvious conclusion

[sacred spade]

Yeah jade shadows is actually a story about stalker getting cheated on

[lucid blaze]

reading comprehension 101

[sacred spade]

The enlightened opinion

[crystal agate]

why else would the quest be about playing stalker for most of it if he werent narratively relevant

[lucid blaze]

cuckframe

[crystal agate]

what reason would DE have to do that

[real niche]

That info specifically is from some feathers in Stalker's hideout, yeah

[nova harness]

Cheated out of more like

[lucid blaze]

to show his "human side"???

[crystal agate]

why would they need to do that

why else would he care about jade at all

[tropic venture]

That's what they do, they show who he was before becoming a Warframe

[lucid blaze]

because she saved him?????

he literally wants to save her just because of that and he hates warframes

[tropic venture]

hmm I wonder why she saved him specifically, as Hunhow asks at the start

[crystal agate]

like, the story mentions jade had a husband, and you spend the entire quest playing as a male who clearly cares a lot about jade

like, how do yo not put 2 and 2 together here

[nova harness]

She saved him because she loved him

[gentle cape]

-# more like a colored children's story bc a dictionary would still be too much.

[tropic venture]

"Of all the gods and kings of old, why was it you she saved, this faceless executioner?"

[steep totem]

Also, they reveal that he is in fact a warframe
I don't think that was ever touched on before (except maybe that one part in Second Dream)

[crystal agate]

like, what, is stalker just a giga simpeus and sorren is just some backstory guy?

[lucid blaze]

i bet that makes you feel better about your inferior intelligence

[nova harness]

It wasn't until the feather

[lucid blaze]

yes

[tropic venture]

Well he was pretty clearly one, but they never outright called him a warframe before the quest

[lucid blaze]

sorren is john warframe

[gentle cape]

im not the one who couldnt comprehend high school-level media analysis in a video game soooooooo

[tropic venture]

This is almost worse than the whole "Jade is just pregnancy fetish!!"

[steep totem]

I mean, I was still open to the idea of him being in a power suit a la Iron Man

[eternal flume]

Oh… I’m sorry… you were saying that there was no reason to believe he was sorren, and implying that he wasn’t. But you probably didn’t even realize you were implying anything, because you don’t understand the concept of implication

[lucid blaze]

maybe i couldn't comprehend it because i was expecting actual depth

rookie mistake i know

[thick jolt]

Lol

[crystal agate]

i think you might just be stupid sorry 🥀

horses, not zebras

[nova harness]

Lol

[gentle cape]

uh huh... the kind of depth in isekai harem anime yeah. thats the one you understand.

[thick jolt]

"I am too smart to get simple concepts" now that is funny

[eternal flume]

The fact that you can’t read further than whatever they directly tell you is proof you don’t understand depth

[tropic venture]

implicit writing inherently has more depth than explicit one

[sacred spade]

Maybe its Ballases kid

[nova harness]

At least it isn't this person

[lucid blaze]

that would make dave filoni a phenomenal writer

[crystal agate]

like what, it's the game's fault that you led yourself to a conclusion that the game didn't support whatsoever but contradicted what it did say?

[gentle cape]

nah i'll take this guy over this redditor.

[lucid blaze]

and he's a bigger moron than this bunch

[eternal flume]

They actually understood what people were telling them, even if they didn’t pay any attention during the story

[tropic venture]

depth does not automatically make something good

it just makes it deep

[steep totem]

okay, that's it

[lucid blaze]

he has no depth

[eternal flume]

Depth is absolutely wasted on you

[lucid blaze]

sure buddty

[sacred spade]

Are we talking about the hit game "Depth" a assymetric multiplayer horror game where 4 divers face off against 2 player controlled sharks?

[gentle cape]

boy atp i'll just take the l & leave the conversation bc the second hand embarrassment is getting too much.

[eternal flume]

You would probably drown in the shallow end of a pool dude

[lucid blaze]

what makes you think i value what a bunch of fools think

[gentle cape]

youre still here so.

[crystal agate]

that you are still continuing this conversation lol

[lucid blaze]

because i find it amusing

is that not allowed

[gentle cape]

uh huh. sure jan.gif

report for trolling & move on yall.

[nova harness]

This discussion was so 2024

It’s only 1999 rn got a few more years to wait

New topic

What do you think about my idea to put Terrify on Oroxia giving enemies Arachnophobia

[lucid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/timbersshivered-yikers-gif-23072365

[steep totem]

That is hilarious

[tropic venture]

use her with Archwings for flying spiders

[gentle cape]

is that nekros' ability?? if so itd be kinda funny as a dmg over time combo

[steep totem]

Only thing is, which ability would you replace?

[eternal flume]

The passive

[nova harness]

Probably the 4

[gentle cape]

yeah all of her abilities sound solid...

[lucid blaze]

is isleweaver clan only

[tropic venture]

no, but Operation: Eight Claw might be

or at least have some clan-exclusive rewards

[steep totem]

Hmm
I guess

[lucid blaze]

judging by the description they sound like the same thing no?

[steep totem]

I think it would be funny to see enemies running from Oraxia spider mode

[tropic venture]

Operation: Eight Claw is the Operation event happening with the update's release

Isleweaver is just the name of the update

[lucid blaze]

oh i'm new so idk what operations is

[thick jolt]

Operations usually have special clan rewards but most is still available outside clans

[tropic venture]

time-limited events

[lucid blaze]

alright cheers or whatever those guys say

hope they won't actually omit entrati and just forget about him

would be a shame to waste him

[tropic venture]

considering Oraxia will be on Scholar's Landing, highly unlikely

[lucid blaze]

hope they'll elaborate on to what extent the indifference has influence over albrecht

[lucid blaze]

and let's not pretend like warframe has amazing story the whole operator arc is filled with deus ex machinas

it's alright and has some great moments but it's not all it's made out to be

jade and stalker meeting also happens by chance

[tropic venture]

She recognized him as a Warframe, he did not recognize her

[lucid blaze]

the story starts when she's already saved him

[thick jolt]

You really still salty about being called out?

[lucid blaze]

please leave constructive discussions to adults.

[thick jolt]

Lol

[lucid blaze]

as in we have no idea on how they met

[thick jolt]

We do

[tropic venture]

considering she saved him during the Tenno Insurection, yeah that's true

[lucid blaze]

from our pov it happens by pure chance

[nova harness]

Name all the deus ex machinas then

[lucid blaze]

off the top of my head? our warframe breaking the hunhow sword, us revealing some "hidden power" during the queens quest

[thick jolt]

.....

[lucid blaze]

veilbreaker not fully working on the drifter

among others

[thick jolt]

I could accept the others as a maybe, but during the war within we spent the whole quest unlocking our powers

[tropic venture]

and even before then in Natah and The Second Dream we hear Margulis talk about The Dream

[nova harness]

War Within was regaining the power Margulis caused us to lose by lying

[lucid blaze]

which come from the magic rigmajig that is the void which can explain pretty much anything in the lore

[thick jolt]

Sigh

[lucid blaze]

it's sort of the force from star wars under disney

[nova harness]

The Void can't solve everything in the lore

[lucid blaze]

it has no clear boundaries or definitons

[lucid blaze]

well somehow it always comes to the help we our character needs it

[thick jolt]

It has had some pretty defined boundaries so far

[nova harness]

CE isn't a guarantee
Eternalism is almost impossible to access

Other than that it remains pretty useless

[tropic venture]

it's very useful against the Sentients since the Orokin designed them to be extremely weak to Void energies

[lucid blaze]

but just so happens to make us an immortal killing machine

[thick jolt]

[tropic venture]

Not really, we use the Warframes for a reason

[lucid blaze]

the drifter can't die and neither can the operator i'm pretty sure

otherwise what's the whole "embryo pose in the void" shtick when we die

and getting stabbed by ballas

HE EVE SAYS IT

"you can't kill a devil"

[nova harness]

Ballas stabbing us and leaving us would've killed us

[lucid blaze]

he says we're immortal

"you can't kill a devil, but you can send it back to hell"

[nova harness]

Rell is literally a Tenno that died

Also even DE confirmed Ballas is an unreliable narrator

[lucid blaze]

do you mean the quest ending?

well that makes two of them

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[nova harness]

Quest ending we kill Rell

[lucid blaze]

yeah we

[thick jolt]

Ballas isn't even a specialist on the void, his main achievement are warframes

[lucid blaze]

we're immortal can teleport, take control of certain beings, shoot deadly lasers and other things

[nova harness]

If he were immortal that would mean he would be alive rn

[lucid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-ones-ever-really-gone-mark-hamill-the-last-jedi-gif-26010275

[nova harness]

Rell is really gone

DE also confirmed he is dead

[lucid blaze]

outside content

[nova harness]

Actually inside content

[lucid blaze]

maybe idrc about rell tbh he's cringe

point is

we got stabbed in the heart and lived

and have a special void-related death screen

[nova harness]

The Tenno has been made aware of Rell, a fellow Tenno who was outcast by his peers.

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as 'The Man In The Wall'.

With Rell's death, that responsibility has now transferred to the Tenno.

[lucid blaze]

and are called immortal by a smarty pants wanna-be god

who's the one to stab us in the heart

[nova harness]

Stabbed us in the back actually

[tropic venture]

through the heart

[lucid blaze]

...where the heart is?

have you seen the size of the sword?

[nova harness]

You think the heart is in the back?

[lucid blaze]

if you get stabbed with a sword which enters through your back and goes through your chest yeah i guess you can say so

[real niche]

We have absolutely no idea how Operator survived the stab, but I don't think it's immediate death from a heart stab.

[lucid blaze]

you've got a minute tops

[real niche]

And it's not like Ballas has ever actually bothered trying to kill a Tenno personally before this anyway

[lucid blaze]

also having zero elaboration whatsoever on such a crucial moment is also not ideal

[nova harness]

Wasn't it being thrown into the loop?

[real niche]

idk what "loop" we're talking about but they were definitely sent into the portal after they got got

[tropic venture]

yep, that's how Teshin and Lotus' hand got to Duviri too

[nova harness]

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

[zenith jacinth]

I should've just skipped to the bottom of the channel now I have an annoyance headache

[steep totem]

I'm sorry you had to go through that

[gentle cape]

...this guy is still going??

its been 2hrs...

[whole prawn]

do we have an idea what the oraxia bundle would cost

[nova harness]

Not yet

DE have different prices for their frame bundles so hard to tell

[prime lantern]

For one thats just ballas being ballad secondly the operator report makes it clear ballas doesn't know how to kill us not that its impossible to kill us considering rell (and likely mirages tenno) are very dead

[covert tree]

I'd assume kinda sorta close to the recent bundle prices

[steady ivy]

When will Warframe Mobile be released? 😭

[nova harness]

Ask DE

[covert tree]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-tm-soontm-soonthefinals-gif-7193921574602172103

[steady ivy]

How do I do it?

[rain otter]

You dont

Was a joke.

[covert tree]

It might get a date this tennocon you'll never know

They might drop it out of nowhere when we least expect it (that's the fun option)

[lucid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-crank-dat-gif-19328104

1999 on mobile be like

[covert tree]

It'd look like your actually playing on a pc from the 90s

[wicked iron]

Ballas says why we survived while stabbing us. "You can't kill the devil, but you can send it back to hell." Devil is his loving little term for us lol

[real niche]

Issue is we have no idea how much of that translates to the Tenno actually being immortal, and to what degree, especially when Rell has died

[wicked iron]

We're more powerful than Rell was, especially since we had training that he didn't since he was cast out by Margulis.

[real niche]

Could spin it the other way and say that Rell having to continue using his powers, unobstructed, for lord knows how long along with fighting against Wally meant he has no choice to be extremely proficient at pushing him back.

[steady ivy]

Bruh!!

I want to ping a dev but I get banned

[lucid blaze]

He stabs us in the heart and says we're immortal but that doesn't mean we're immortal? That makes little sense from a writing perspective

[real niche]

He says we're immortal because he's never actually bothered trying to kill a Tenno before, let alone with his own hands. He knows it's not that simple, at very least

[thick jolt]

Anything he knows about tenno powers was probably second hand, from reports and such

[lone axle]

effective immortality vs actual immortality

we're not gods, but we're not mortal anymore

like the difference between a vampire and a person

[amber terrace]

Incarnon heavy scythe
By the Void

[cosmic prawn]

The big difference between us Tenno and Rell is that Rell was awake for the thousand-ish years we slept in the Second Dream.

[thick jolt]

Cant wait for that one

I already like the heavy scythes so an incarnon one will be fun

[solemn glacier]

Have u guys watch Pablo, Oraxia ability showcase?

[obtuse gyro]

Tenno mortality definitely stretches beyond the physical, which Drifter touches on in the KIM

[novel shell]

I hope we get an Arachnophobia mode.. I have it bad and while the frame themselves doesnt trigger for me, but the summons already are, and I dont know how I will be able to function fully in public lobbies that have people playing them

[idle field]

I got lettie status to say close and I rushed over to her to ask her to date but the option is t there, can I not ask her to date in the same day I get her status to change?

[amber terrace]

I had a similar issue, you can only ask her out via KIM

[idle field]

Really? Eleanor I had to go to her to ask. I don't have the option in Kim to ask yet

[amber terrace]

Yea, I know it sucks but Lettie is a hard nut to crack

Caution: there is a conversation after you ask her out where if you say you’ll stay with her forever and not get whisked away by Albrecht or The Indifference, she’ll break up with you and you can’t recover the relationship

[jade crypt]

man lettie sounds so toxic

[idle field]

Huh?

[amber terrace]

I mean, yeah, she isn’t perfect but at least I don’t have to worry about her rummaging through my mind like Eleanor

[idle field]

She will break up if I say I won't be taken?

Weird

Eleanor I like her I don't mind the mind reading and she's got an awesome tongue

[amber terrace]

Lettie knows that eventually we’ll have to leave 1999 for the last time. She wants to know what’s gonna be the thing that whisks you away, she despises fake people who say what they think she wants

[idle field]

Jokes on her I'm not leaving 1999 permanently ill always return lol

So guessing I have to wait yet another 24h to ask her out now

[amber terrace]

If you want someone who knows the goods about Lettie, Vinny’s the go to

[idle field]

I don't want any real spoilers on her yet wanna experience the relationship myself but have to ve able to even do that first lol

[jade crypt]

eleanor said shed never do that thats lowkey very weird of you to think that

but you do you

[amber terrace]

I’m not gonna go through the whole song and dance I did back in December about Eleanor. All I’m gonna say is that I don’t like Eleanor on the premise that she can influence other people to hate me with a similar result of what someone in my personal life tried to do

[idle field]

Eleanor is my first relationship and my favorite but I also like lettie and wanna give her a shot to before I make my permanent choice

I'll try quincy after lettie and then I'll make my final decision

[jade crypt]

okay well if you got trauma about things like that i can understand

thats totally valid actually

[jade crypt]

quincy is my favvvvv hes so hot LMAO

[idle field]

Oh yes he is hot. And he is kinda loving from what iv seen. Eleanor is very loving and seems to truly care about the drifter in a relationship and quincy seems similar but lettie I'm kinds confused on especially now. I promise to stay with her and she breaks up with me? Seems complicated

[jade crypt]

quincy is uh loving? idk to me he seems more like uh........

excited?

idk how to formulate my sentence without using the h word

[idle field]

I get your meaning

[jade crypt]

lol nice

[idle field]

I mean he is trapped where there is women he can't exactly be with lol so he has issues he needs to scratch

I don't mind helping him either

[jade crypt]

also i like how he talks his accent and shi

he reminds me of someone i rlly liked in the past

[idle field]

🤤 same he accent is awesome.

[jade crypt]

for realllllllll

[prime lantern]

Except thats ballas and we already have a good idea as to how we survived

To borrow from myself

How are the tenno immortal

A Tenno possesses a degree of immortality via their Oro, a manifestation of their consciousness:

In the Conclave, Teshin tells us how our Oro is "the binding force for an enemy who, like the Tenno, can survive death." This enemy is the Sentients.

Eleanor, who can see all our memories, tells us she doesn't think we can die—at least, not permanently.

Albrecht Entrati mentions Oro, claiming "It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona," meaning Oro is a quality possessed by any being with a "singular persona."

This aligns with real-world arguments about animal consciousness, suggesting that Oro is likely a form of consciousness itself.

The Sentients can persist after death by separating their consciousness, or Oro, into fragments, making the death of one fragment not affect the whole.

Eleanor compares the Void to a realm of souls. The Void is also the source of the Tenno's power, which allows them to do "impossible things."

The Drifter, in his conversation with Eleanor, states that "Tenno existence doesn't end when the physical body is destroyed," implying the Tenno utilize a metaphysical aspect to persist after death

Tenno can separate their Oro from their body, allowing them to persist after death and, presumably, rebuild or reform a body via unknown means, likely involving Void energy.

Killing a Tenno would require the ability to crush their consciousness after death.

[balmy storm]

To add to that last bit
From what I recall Mirage’s tenno is one of the few that dies as the Lotus mourns them
Their frame blew up and they died, their consciousness possibly crushed from the pain of feeling their frame disintegrate

Whether or not Oro does or does not exist it’s clear the Tenno specifically have a special form of immortality, death is still possible, even potentially inevitable if age truly does come for them eventually, but being stabbed or shot won’t do much to them

[balmy storm]

Mirage’s Tenno:

[lucid blaze]

Fortuna: https://youtu.be/yOf1BC3ygJY

or life for that matter

[prime lantern]

If i had to give a comparison I'd argue it functions similar to an oversol from destiny essentially you and your body are unlinked your death is elsewhere

[nova harness]

There is this comment from Drifter

[prime lantern]

Holy shit

That

That literally proves my entire point

Nemesis what comment chain is this

[nova harness]

Quincy R4 Convo5

[prime lantern]

Holy shit

I'm always right im literally god

[wicked iron]

We don't have evidence that her Tenno died. Remember, her quest was before The Second Dream, too.

As for Oro, it's been all but abandoned as an idea in Warframe. That's why Albrecht talks about not getting into "queasy debates" about it.

[nova harness]

Wasn't his queasy debates argument about cats specifically though not Oro in general

[wicked iron]

Cats?

[nova harness]

It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.

[wicked iron]

Ah, with animal minds in general.

[nova harness]

Yeah

Tbh him saying Kakymos as an exception is really him just being a pet owner

[wicked iron]

Wasn't that after Kalymos was brought back to life through the Void? So he might have meant it more literally.

Or maybe that was before the event.

[nova harness]

Loid says that might have happened but we don't get a proper answer

[prime lantern]

Albrecht just says he doesn't care to debate it but he's of the opinion that regardless of the outcome animal minds are too simple to posses it

He doesn't dismis it as a concept plus you know the other mountain of supporting evidence for tenno immortality being consciousness

Ballas just can't hurt our consciousness

But someone else probably can

Since its popular rn jjk has a similar concept with mahito and the contours of one's soul effectively mahito can not be hurt through physical means whatever damages you do is undone by him simply reshaping his own soul however yuji who can see the contours of the soul can hurt mahito in a way that matters

[deft heath]

Would oraxia want duration

[obtuse gyro]

I would say nothing past a continuity

[deft heath]

What about an archon continuity :3

[obtuse gyro]

Shes looking more strength > range > duration

[obtuse gyro]

Definitely use

[deft heath]

Toxin + corrosive sounds so good

I do wonder if her second if something like nova's

Where it expands over time meaning it's affected by duration

[balmy storm]

This seems pretty obvious that her tenno died and her frame :p

Lotus: "I see the eyes open and the heat blinds me. I hear her comforting me, telling me not to despair as the warframe disintegrates, and I lose her, forever."

[gritty flume]

so oraxia ability 4… can wall latch forever

well i guess patagium would render useless

[wicked iron]

That was pre-Second Dream, and Lotus said a lot of misleading things back then.

[balmy storm]

I mean you can keep saying that but that doesn’t change the fact she lost her forever

[wicked iron]

The "her" could have been the Mirage. The wording lends itself to that, for sure.

[nova harness]

Pre TSD doesnt mean Operator didn't canonically exist DE had this stuff planned

[balmy storm]

^

[wicked iron]

But the Lotus was intentionally misleading to us about our nature before The Second Dream.

[balmy storm]

And yet she still lost her forever and I doubt she was just talking about the frame

[nova harness]

She doesn't care about frames dying she knows cut off their head they can rise again

[wicked iron]

That entire line about losing her forever was likely an intentional misdirection, that's what I am saying.

Because, again, she was concealing our true nature from us at the time.

[nova harness]

We had forgotten we existed anyway tbh

[wicked iron]

And until The Second Dream, she was trying to keep it that way instead of telling us what we were.

[nova harness]

Did she really need to mislead us if we forgot

Actually what type of stuff was she saying about our identity till we woke up

[wicked iron]

Anything she said back then, before The Second Dream, made it sound like we could have been the Warframes, we could have been inside of the Warframes somehow, or such. It was all kept very dubious, until the reveal in The Second Dream.

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Gradivus_Dilemma/Quotes even that event alone conflates the Tenno as being one with the Warframes, with the Lotus actively conflating the two when sending a message just to us Tenno. So no, I do not believe at all that Mirage's Tenno died when the Warframe was destroyed.

Heck, even Rell's Transferenced consciousness survived after Harrow was destroyed. He only died because he chose to "rest" after he was reassured that we would take up the fight against The Man in the Wall.

[balmy storm]

I mean sure but Rell didn’t have the second dream
Mirage’s tenno did and her frame was entirely destroyed

Either way
The tenno don’t die easy

Can’t stab em
Can’t shoot em

Which the speculation on Mirage’s tenno dying is due to the pain she would have gone through, possibly going brain dead
But since it’s before the second dream we don’t get exact answers on that

[nova harness]

And this

[balmy storm]

I could even just see her being in a coma tbh

[balmy storm]

Well yeah

[pastel frost]

quick question, how the f do I open this thing?

[hearty pendant]

shoot the screens around it
don't remember if its the lidless eyes or the other ones that open it

[pastel frost]

ah

managed to solve it by ground slam and increased pickup range xP

[hearty pendant]

also works lol

[wicked iron]

Come on and slam!

[wicked iron]

I wonder... Did they say if this go-round in Duviri is strictly with the Drifter? Or can we take our Operator? Cuz I really hope Operator can go. 😮

[nova harness]

Didn't mention Operator at all

[wicked iron]

Aww. 😦

[nova harness]

They said it’s gonna be Frame anyway

[wicked iron]

I just hope we bring the rest of the Entrati up to speed at some point. I want them involved with all the Albrecht stuff! XD

[nova harness]

Who's gonna tell Mother all she needed to do was look downstairs

[real niche]

No one because apparently Albrecht didn't want them to know for some reason

[eternal flume]

Is the large sandy hole in albrecht’s lab a portal to something

By something, I mean the void

[zenith jacinth]

Which one

Also all the sand and stone bits are void

[eternal flume]

Cuz you’d think that the entrati family would see the copious amounts of sand

[eternal flume]

Oh true

So it’s just a large piece of void under the necralisk?

[zenith jacinth]

Which don't leave the labs?

[zenith jacinth]

I think you misunderstand how the void works

[eternal flume]

Yeah I think I do. Lemme backtrack. This is a portal to the void, right?

[zenith jacinth]

The void doesn't occupy space in reality, so we're basically seamlessly moving between reality and void in the lab tileset

[zenith jacinth]

Still not sure what you're referring to

[eternal flume]

That.

The way it switches between labs and void.

So when we’re in the sandy bits, we’re in the void.

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah wally is trying to take over the place, which results in his void creeping into the labs

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[nova harness]

You're on Wally

[steep totem]

If you have your Operator selected, using Transference in Duviri will summon the Op
I imagine this new node won't be any different, unless it gets Drifter locked like Hollvania

[wicked iron]

I mean in the overworld, though. Not just that area below.

[nova harness]

Drifter’s responsibility

[pastel frost]

at least grandmother, mother and son do or did

[steep totem]

That's what I'm talking about too
The fighting the Murmur in Duviri takes place in the overworld Duviri

[nova harness]

DE don't want Operator to do Drifters task

[steep totem]

And if we're using frames, we should be able to use Operator too
again, unless it's Drifter locked like Hollvania

Won't know until the update, I guess

[nova harness]

We're using them in open world not the undercroft only as the teaser showed and Operator wouldn't know about the events because they're currently separated

[steep totem]

I know that we're using them in the Open world
And I see no reason why the Operator can't be brought up to speed with another Lunch on the Zariman

My point is, unless they changed the mechanics of Duviri to lock you into using Drifter for this version, the Operator should still be usable

[nova harness]

They probably will to fall in line with the story that 1999 started and what KIM backed up

DE want Drifter to do Duviri stuff

[steep totem]

Probably
But in this case, I won't take "probably" as fact until I see it in game

[lone axle]

hello spoiler chat

kahl can wear protovyre armor and evolve it, so technically this is his, but we don't talk about that

[plush swan]

Is the reworked Vor going to have a secret superboss version on Steel Path?

[amber terrace]

By the Void I hope not

[balmy storm]

I recall them saying he was going to have some variation in sp but I’m not sure

Not even sure if there will be a specific reward

[tight pagoda]

He's the same, easy-one-tap boss

except the second you kill him it spawns the Man in the Wall

[wild wind]

They said they wanted to iirc

[plush swan]

How about: If you activate the hidden (SP-only) switches, then the obstacle course segment becomes extra-difficult, and if your whole squad makes it through the obstacle course segment without failing any obstacles, then during the second phase of the fight, Vor "falls apart" into a Murmur superboss

or smth

Or maybe there's some kind of puzzle that requires the Atomicycle, so you can't actually unlock it without someone in the squad being at an appropriate part of the story.

[zenith jacinth]

I meant the sand doesn't leave the labs

[wicked iron]

Wait, so Oraxia's movement has been changed? She won't be moving like Airachnid from Transformers Prime? q_q

[wild wind]

She is! But no wall walking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TeCo6R-QXA

[wicked iron]

Ohhhh, okay. That I can deal with, as long as I don't lose that beautiful Airachnid movement. XD

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/blackarachnia-cheetor-rattrap-reformatted-beast-machines-gif-901074641201619897

I grew up with Beast Wars

[wicked iron]

Wait, she doesn't have the Airachnid movement in that video. 😮

I saw Beast Wars as a kid, too. XD

[wild wind]

1:30ish?

[wicked iron]

Ohhhhh, it's an ability lol

Cool. 😄

[wild wind]

OH yeah haha her 4

[rain otter]

No wall walking?

[wild wind]

Nope, they couldn't get it working

Instead her 4 lets her port and cling straight to walls

[rain otter]

Booooo

[wild wind]

Maybe that'll change! They said in the Tactical Potato interview that stuff is changing day to day

[rain otter]

Yee

[devout condor]

so basically a grapple hook like Valkyr or that one archwing..

[wild wind]

No, it turns her dash into that

[sacred ledge]

Do you know if it that ability would work for the wall cling rivens

[wild wind]

Should yes

[sacred ledge]

Cool

[nova harness]

<@&778745217037238293>

[next bronze]

Possible augments for Oraxia that could be made in the future:
4 - maybe the classic apply element to the allies in range with 100% that element for 30s
3 - when you kill the enemy with 3 on, it transfers on the enemy in x m range

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t Saryn’s augment already do the first one?

I can see the second one for her 3 though tbh, maybe with an extra effect too

I could also see one for her 3 where you skip the process and just make one large spider baby

[steep totem]

It's corrosive, not toxin, but yes
Be nice if Toxic Lash could get an augment for applying to allies, though that might get silly with her other augment

[next bronze]

Oh, imagine Oraxia getting a Tennogen Orb Vallis skin and her spiders being Raknoids 😭🙏

And then she spawns the one big af 😂

[balmy storm]

I think that’d have to be done with a deluxe tbh

Since tennogen only changes the helmet model

[next bronze]

Maybe her 3 augment could be transfer of damage she takes on enemies targeted with her 3 or shortening lifespan of her spiders for example strength of her 3 or her general strength

Like Trinity's leech in a way

[wicked iron]

I can't help but wonder if Harddrive just played at the "dumb jock" stereotype, but is actually the most eloquent of the group in private lol

[prime lantern]

That'd be silly in general

Toxin lash is already the strongest weapons buff by a good margin

[vale loom]

ABout Furis Incarnon "Prelud of Might" : do I lose the crit damage with Secondary Enervate stacks ?

[hearty pendant]

@tidal pumice did that chat end or are you at the next stage you can talk at?
i just remember seeing the "and will you LIGHTEN UP" piece

[tidal pumice]

in mission wait

[tropic venture]

That shouldn't have broken it afaik.

so you should be good still

provided you didn't mess up something else

[tidal pumice]

ye ok done, so basically I picked 2 options for velimir then thought "I shouldn't just pick one side the whole time and try be the middle ground" and picked 1 that kinda favors her more

[tidal pumice]

thanks

I'm on trusted still so hopefully

[tropic venture]

oh you never lose Chemistry

[tidal pumice]

oh I thought u do if u pick something bad

[tropic venture]

if you mess it up, your max rank with them will say Associate instead of Best Friend

[tropic venture]

no, just some mess-ups lock you out of dating and/or finishing their "quest"

the only way to lose chemistry is by making them all Forget on the new years

[tidal pumice]

ye but I do want to help and also I have best friends all the hex so

[hearty pendant]

yeah, that chat can decide which ending, but this choice didn't
you still have r4c4, which should be fine. just in case though, the choices for the good ending are: ||"let's try this again" and "story of you two working together"|| ||"is that what you want me to do" (and its two choices) and "it's clear you two still care" progress as normal||

[tidal pumice]

not going to read those options but thanks for letting me know I didn't botch it

was worried cuz minerva got mad even towards the end, but I guess that's just her

[hearty pendant]

yeah, i spoilered them so it was your choice to see it, but the info was still there
and yeah, minerva is kinda like that with a lot of her chats

[tropic venture]

her and Velimir are both extremely stressed and shocked, they just put up different fronts to try and hide it

it's all about getting them to lower those and be honest

[hearty pendant]

yup

[teal patrol]

Is there a way to kill Amir?

actually nvm, I'll just restart the game. He froze in a mission bru

[eternal flume]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-reaction-meme-stan-twitter-funny-stressed-gif-7713976294327515532

Don’t you dare kill my glorious king Amir

[wicked iron]

[opaque dove]

We don’t talk bout that

[devout arch]

guys, when are we getting new relics unvaulted at varzia?

[amber terrace]

There should be a timer in the bottom right hand corner

[idle field]

What option do I use for dating lettie? I was told the last option is a permanent break up

[hearty pendant]

iirc any but the last one, yeah

[idle field]

Man she still is in the back room yet

3 days having her close

I may just reset and find someone else since she's so hard to get to move

[hearty pendant]

that's the r5c7 convo, she should already be in the backroom afaik

[idle field]

@hearty pendant this is what her profile says

If I go to her and talk in the mall I have the option to break up with her

[amber terrace]

Now you just have to wait for next daily reset. Yayyyyyy 🎉

[idle field]

@amber terrace what you mean?

I mean waiting 3 days for her to finally move lol she has been close for 3 days

[amber terrace]

I thought this was a new development

[idle field]

No been this way for 3 days. I mean the topic about me leaving that was today but her profile said the same for 3 days. And I can even break up with her if I want. I figures once she was close she'd move

[jade crypt]

you have to be "loving" status with her for her to move in iirc

[idle field]

That's annoying lol

[jade crypt]

yes

[opaque dove]

You are now on the road to romance with Lettie.

Good luck, soldier

[covert tree]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-gif-5113892710076061143

Coffee

[jade crypt]

lol

[fading current]

Don’t hurt my husband now…

[zenith jacinth]

What about later

[fading current]

Don’t hurt my husband EVER

[covert tree]

Wasn't planning on it

[fading current]

Very good…that man has been my hubby since reset 1…I will defend him with my life lmao

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe1999-warframeamir-amir-warframe-amir-good-night-gif-7907765189179874025

[teal patrol]

He keep spam the speed ability in mission and mess up my assassin creed Ezio parkour skills 💢

But sorry not kill him

Maybe bully him, cause he give off little brother energy

[crystal agate]

paint a hyperrealistic tunnel on a flat wall

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/amir-volt-speed-run-sprint-gif-5007011770781498109

[half light]

https://tenor.com/view/eleanor-nightingale-warframe-warframe-1999-warframe-eleanor-the-hex-gif-9049148453705591498

[fading current]

How perfectly this gif loops is just…👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[devout leaf]

i fumbled the bag chat... starting my winter ARC lost my latina baddie

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-2049-gif-7993237219332977809

she was my everything

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-fist-bump-reset-gif-10308689426670219188

[obtuse gyro]

there were so many other ways it could have turned out and you got the worse one

[devout leaf]

ong im killing every single tech rot for this shit im dead ass just going out of my way doing mass genocide nuking everything

[devout leaf]

im going into the void and throwing hands with the man in the wall, I want all the smoke

funny enough man i had her as lover then it went to best friend

[tropic venture]

yep, Best Friend is the max Chemistry tier's name if you're not dating

[devout leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-big-boss-gif-12248663

gotta change my trinity skin back to normal now... she was the only reason i picked her back up ima be honest

[tropic venture]

you can Reset come the new years

[devout leaf]

it just wont be the same

[opaque dove]

Poor soul.

[undone lodge]

Look on the bright side, now you can turn on the all conversations option in settings

[devout leaf]

i already took off the gemini skin dawg. There's no coming back from this genocide

[undone lodge]

Idk when the next reset is but it might even be in time for the new convos coming with Islweaver

[devout leaf]

o>

you mean to tell me that

[zenith jacinth]

Should've said the truth instead of lying to her

[devout leaf]

bro who lied i thought that was the right thing to say lol

[tropic venture]

dawg we're leaving 1999 next update

[devout leaf]

o-o

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter can't stay forever, they still have a job to do

[tropic venture]

"never leaving" implies never going back to the future

[zenith jacinth]

Remember, lettie doesn't care about being comforted. She doesn't want a comfortable lie about staying together forever(impossible), she'd rather have painful truths(we'll have to leave eventually)

[devout leaf]

thats soooo true though

i should have gone with the first option

[sweet spade]

Just pretend the Techrot are Orokin. That will put you in the right mindset. I mean, we almost completed an Orokin genocide after all.

They deserved to die, as proven by Ballas.

[devout leaf]

bro never in my life have i heard such poetry

[eternal flume]

Which we literally do like every day, unless you have your base set in the back room

[undone lodge]

Tbf I imagine Drifter stayed for the first cycle at least, which is when the convos happened

[nova harness]

I set my permanent base to Backroom and still go to future through Navigation

[eternal flume]

True dat

[barren hinge]

Русские вы где

[loud ferry]

тут брат тут

кто дс пойдет играть ???

[tropic venture]

I mean lore-wise the Drifter has been staying in 1999 up until Isleweaver

[balmy storm]

Interestingly during Isleweaver we’ll have the first instance of the Operator in Duviri, if you don’t count the Undercroft

Which just makes me want more Operator moments both on their own and with the Drifter

[tropic venture]

true that, might be that now we have an issue that's in the Void we're bringing all the help we can get, including ourselves

like how both the Drifter and Operator checked up on Lotus in Lotus Eaters

[balmy storm]

It’s also kinda a gameplay thing

[tropic venture]

true that

[balmy storm]

Like your tenno is whoever you selected
Since
Operator can be in the Undercroft

[tropic venture]

I'm just hoping we get some scenes with Drifter and Operator alongside eachother, since the Void is where they can actually do that

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we’re getting a quest but I do hope we’ll get more moments of them together in the future yeah

This arc is perfect timing for that
Last time we got anything from the Operator was their message to the Drifter

[tropic venture]

Would be a fun scenario

Drifter comes back from 1999, tells Operator like "I'll explain later, we've got to go to Duviri right now"

[balmy storm]

I do wonder how we’ll know about Isleweaver

Like
Who will send us a message?
Probably Thrax

I mean him showing up in the Dormizone is huge

[tropic venture]

Acrithis might tell us on his behalf

[balmy storm]

True, I hope she’s okay

Omg the Sythel dialogue…

[tropic venture]

she's possibly the one who told him about the Dormizone in the first place

since she has access to it

[balmy storm]

Possibly
I do wonder where Teshin is during this too

[balmy storm]

Not physical access but ye

[tropic venture]

imagine Thrax just ran through his cave into the Dormizone and he just stood there like

[balmy storm]

Thrax being outside of Duviri hard confirms Duvirians can leave though
Which I love and suspected since we could already remove wild life

[balmy storm]

I need a gif of Thrax running way too fast through the cave lmao

[tropic venture]

Still unclear wether they can fully leave the Void or if Zariman just acts as a bridge Thrax can safely be on

[clear pelican]

Duvirians with the deep D is crazy

[balmy storm]

I do suspect they can FULLY leave if they choose since again
We remove wild life without issue

[tropic venture]

Zariman lets Operator and Drifter co-exist so we know Void-tied phenomenons can take place there, at least to a certain degree

[clear pelican]

imo they should be able to leave, i mean if Wally can, why couldn't everyone else?

[balmy storm]

The Zariman is also just goofy in terms of the void

[tropic venture]

it's one giant anomaly of Reality and Void mixing in unpredictable ways

[balmy storm]

I mean Wally hasn’t really left that much is the thing
He’s greatly restricted

[tropic venture]

there's also a big difference between The Indifference and regular CE beings

[clear pelican]

fair, he did come out through rusalka kinda though, or no?

[tropic venture]

he needed her, yes

[balmy storm]

In Whispers he needs a strand to be tethered
In 1999 he needs to use Neci
In Isleweaver he once again needs to tether a strand

[tropic venture]

"In being known, it survives" according to Dante

[balmy storm]

He’s piloting her like a frame
She’s the door essentially

[clear pelican]

wait, how much lore do we know from isleweaver?

sry im not caught up on that

[balmy storm]

Not much
Just what came from PAX

[thick jolt]

That wally is invading and that neci is there

[clear pelican]

that imo sounds like a really cool concept

[balmy storm]

Thrax himself talks about how the false Duviri of Isleweaver needs to be tethered via a strand

[thick jolt]

Or at least her body

[balmy storm]

It’s unknown how exactly he got access to her (possibly the ARG) but she acts as the door

[thick jolt]

Yup

[clear pelican]

wait but isn't duviri just in the void? so then couldn't wally just stroll in anytime? tho i guess if he could he would've already

[balmy storm]

All the other bits of Wally, his Murmur, are ig “small” enough that they can sneak in somewhere
But Wally himself needs a tether

[balmy storm]

He already has

[clear pelican]

ah

[thick jolt]

He has tried invading and taking control a couple of times

[balmy storm]

It’s just for Isleweaver he has his fragmented tether a strand for his false Duviri

[clear pelican]

im so not caught up 😭

[thick jolt]

Usually ended with thrax detaching the affected island and sending it away

[balmy storm]

The Vagabond is him
He’s appeared many times
He’s altered tablets directly

[clear pelican]

ah i see

oh right the tablets

yeah that makes sense

[balmy storm]

I guess this time, with Neci as his physical form, he took the throne and had his fragmented tether a strand so he has control

Which considering it will be a new node to Duviri
That strand may always exist so long as his Murmur invade to tether it down so he can walk in and take control

[clear pelican]

hm yeah

[balmy storm]

Which we’ll see why we have to fight Oraxia to presumably untether it

Hopefully some more solid lore on the strands next week!

Since all we know is
Conceptually embodied timelines that Wally has to traverse to solidly exist there
And that they can be severed by us/love?

[clear pelican]

Unrelated for a second but i love oraxia's 4 so much, its such a 1999 movement frame and so cool. anyways, back to lore

[balmy storm]

Or at least in Whispers we repelled him with love and that severed it

Arcane Arachne and whatever the invisibility one will be so good on her

[clear pelican]

i had a half theory regarding tbis that made a lot of sense but i forgot

[balmy storm]

Love is bros poison

[clear pelican]

maybe it was that the literal opposite of "indifference" is that you care, and get to know the hex

[clear pelican]

hehehe arachne

[tropic venture]

"The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference" is a quote by Elie Wiesel

[opaque dove]

And to paraphrase Albrecht in The Hex “I just found the poison to your plan…Love”

[eternal flume]

Oh.

[tropic venture]

yeah we're there trying to pursue Neci, and we're soon about to find out she's gone to Duviri

[clear pelican]

i like that

[wild wind]

Small note, Isleweaver is a bit backwards because Wally's plan is to create a fake Duviri and replace the real thing

According to the clips we saw from the devstream at least

[opaque dove]

Isn’t there a line that mentions how the Indifference/ Man in the wall is so bland it seeks the unique? If I remember that correct, then this fake duviri it’s trying create May well be an attempt to make itself unique

[balmy storm]

Yee
Create a fake Duviri through his tethered strands to try and replace the real deal

[balmy storm]

I think you’re thinking of one of Albrecht’s assumptions
But we have observed Wally try to make unique things already with the Murmur, trouble is he can’t make anything unique as all his Murmur stem from human anatomy

[opaque dove]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Eyes
Limbs
Hands
Feet
Lips
Teeth
Whole bodies
Yes it’s in weird shapes and growing out of walls but it’s still human

[opaque dove]

This may be one of its attempts to create something unique that is based on human anatomy and it may well succeed in doing that regardless of what we do

[balmy storm]

I mean
His takeover of Duviri isn’t unique really

He’s still just taking something human and twisting it

[jade crypt]

hes such an ass

[balmy storm]

Plus it sounds like he is taking Duviri because Drifter to 1999
It may be a combo of Wally and Neci’s emotions fueling this takeover as Neci seems to still be somewhat present, though it is mostly Wally

He’s taking Duviri cause we booted him from 1999
He’s retaliating directly now

The void war continues :)

[jade crypt]

the mf cant seem to detach himself from humans

[eternal flume]

I mean he kinda left 1999 himself

[balmy storm]

He only exists because of humans :)

[balmy storm]

Mostly cause we got in the way and stopped him

Even us saving the Hex and stopping the reactor was in defiance of him

We have love on our side
Or the Drifter does at least

The Operator and Drifter both have love in different forms
Operator through complex familial love
And the Drifter through possible romantic and platonic love

And ofc through Albrecht and Loid we have solid romantic love

Wally gets fussy when we go to save the Hex
So
We defied him now he acts in defiance against us
We took 1999 by knowing, saving and loving the Hex
He’s taking Duviri in spite of that

Which I’m very keen to see how he will twist the Courtiers
So far Mathila has to make weapons for example

Very excited for Sythel

[haughty rose]

ah s***t chat... sigh.. I need some spoilers

[jade crypt]

you can say shit now

[haughty rose]

am I S.O.L. if I pick ANYTHING but the last one? I feel; like it's just a run around of the same response I'll get

[balmy storm]

Whatcha need

Just don’t pick the last one

[haughty rose]

oh...

[jade crypt]

wdym make weapons

[balmy storm]

Also ayyyy shy!

[haughty rose]

wait that'll piss her off?

[balmy storm]

He’s forcing Mathila to make weapons

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[haughty rose]

oh....

[jade crypt]

WHAT wait you gotta tell me more about that and the others

[haughty rose]

good to know

[balmy storm]

I picked the 3rd one when dating her and we ended up together

[haughty rose]

hey... how'd you know I was dating her 😉

[balmy storm]

That’s all we know :p

[jade crypt]

also wtf does xipe totec mean

[balmy storm]

The update isn’t out yet

[haughty rose]

dawg ieono haha

[balmy storm]

That convo only comes up if you’re dating her lol

[balmy storm]

It’s a god

[jade crypt]

ah

[jade crypt]

oh yeah lol the update isnt out yet im dumb

[balmy storm]

Belladona ~{@: Xipe Totec, the Flayed One, who was the god of rebirth, of agriculture, and war (LettieRank2Convo2

Darn
They need to make the kimulacrum site shareable here lol

[haughty rose]

oh.. I guess that's fair... haha I went from Aoi to Lettie.. like ez mode to expert.. fml my life
haha

[jade crypt]

OMG quincy is so hot

i need to go back in the backrooms smh

[balmy storm]

I went with Lettie first then jumped to Eleanor

[jade crypt]

quincy was the first one i went to LMAO

[balmy storm]

I think if I wanted to I could break up with Eleanor and date Lettie but
I don’t wanna deal with the system atm :p

[jade crypt]

man i resetted awhile ago

i still havent redone the conversations

[balmy storm]

There are new KIM convos happening with the update actually

[jade crypt]

but i might do it like right now

[balmy storm]

Only for the original Hex

[jade crypt]

oh-

OH MY GOD NO WAY

im getting back in the backrooms

[balmy storm]

Lol

[jade crypt]

im giving up my whole decorating orbiter thingy

OMGH MY HUSBAND IS IN THE BACKROOMS

this is goated

HES HEREEEEEE

[haughty rose]

ty homies! I have saved yet another convo! till next time!

[jade crypt]

youre welcome (i did NOT help in any way)

[steep totem]

I bet he'll make Lodun tend a flowerbed

[tight pagoda]

Anyone know what this Warframe is? It was in the Tennocon countdown thingy on TikTok

Might even be a Soulframe thing?

[wicked iron]

That's from Soulframe, yes. It looks, and I think maybe was confirmed to be, heavily inspired by Mag.

[edgy zodiac]

bro 💀

[wild wind]

A bunch of the Ode'n/Cloudcity Soulframe people look like Warframes

[obtuse gyro]

Soulframe thing

Specifically the thing that knocks you down all the way

[balmy storm]

“We are a family” proceeds to smack you so hard you get dumped in the ocean and mistaken for a corpse

[wild wind]

Geez it's called tough love

but seriously I think it'd be real dark if it turned out that an Ode'n was wearing your mom's body

[jade crypt]

LMAO

[jade crypt]

mag soulframe

[edgy zodiac]

-# he just like me fr

[jade crypt]

xDD

[gentle cape]

hes so funny for that ngl

"yeah vel seems fun. his wife is hella hot tho."

[sullen copper]

Oh that’s my bud, deez

[covert tree]

This looks cool oh wait since de owns soulframe soulframe inspired warframe skins would be cool

[zenith jacinth]

Please no, there's still people who think wf and dark sector happen in the same universe, we don't need to add soulframe to it

[opaque dove]

wheeze

[nova harness]

There’s people who think Soulframe and Warframe are in the same universe

[tight pagoda]

I've seen "theories" about Soulframe's map actually being comprised of Lost Islands of Duviri that have merged again

[nova harness]

Terrible theory tbh considering completely separate games in different universes

[undone lodge]

Is what we’ve got of Soulframe even anything like what we’ve seen from Duviri?

[nova harness]

They used Duviri trees in very very early development when it was shown at Tennocon

[sullen copper]

Obviously the soul frames moved to a different universe because they were scared of the overwhelming aura emitting from the Yooka floof

[tight pagoda]

I think the player character has some porcelain aesthetic to some of their prosthetic parts?

[lone axle]

wally finally appeared..

[nova harness]

Hey, Kiddo

[lone axle]

funny how they never appeared in this chair for me until now lol

[covert tree]

Quick slap him before it's to late

[plush swan]

The new operation talks about fighting "The Fragmented", which makes me think there might be reason to fight 60-eyes again.

So... are there any guides for that?

[tropic venture]

The Murmur have breached Duviri

That's where Isleweaver's stuff takes place

[plush swan]

The description of the new Operation coming with Isleweaver says:

Dominus Thrax finds his rule over the kingdom of Duviri challenged by Major Neci Rusalka and the Murmur. Take down The Fragmented to earn Dominus Aureus you can redeem for a three-tiered Signa and a new Incarnon Weapon!
"The Fragmented" is capitalized, which makes me think it's this boss, but in Duviri: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Fragmented

And I was asking about the harder version of that boss, "The Fragmented One", which is often called "60-eyes" because of how you summon it in Effervo

[plush swan]

The Fragmented are also called "Octopedes", which ties into the name "Operation: Eight-Claw"

So yeah, I think we're almost certainly going to be fighting those "The Fragmented" in Duviri

[tropic venture]

"The Fragmented" is also the general name of The Murmur, not just when they form their greater whole

[plush swan]

If they were talking about Murmur fragments in general, I think they would probably have capitalized it differently.

At minimum:

Take down the Fragmented
vs
Take down The Fragmented

[tropic venture]

ok yeah true reading it more closely I do agree

[plush swan]

🙂

[tidal pumice]

I'll do every single chat again but I'm fixing it

[opaque dove]

How did he show up? Doesn’t he stop after a certain point?

[tropic venture]

The Normal Office Chair

[opaque dove]

?????

[tropic venture]

He never stops showing up in the Orbiter and Camp, and the Officer Chair lets him show up in the Backroom

[opaque dove]

I haven’t seen Wally in a while

Seen him all of like once

[thick jolt]

Rng

[opaque dove]

POV: catching Wally in the perfect lighting(this was like shortly after war within)

Last time I saw him outside of quests