spoiler-chat

[wild wind]

No, Albrecht was the first to ENTER the Void

[steep totem]

Whether or not he created it, Albrecht is definitely the reason the Wall Man is so interested in us
Still makes it his fault

[zenith jacinth]

A fluid with void-derived properties

[rustic cargo]

Okay then solar system wide

[wild wind]

They exploited it for energy and mystical effects long before that

[balmy storm]

Kuva isn’t from the void necessarily
It’s origin is unknown, just that it interacts with the void

[zenith jacinth]

Oh bbrother

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht was specifically mocked due to the perceived lack in the void. It is literally why they named the void

[wild wind]

He was mocked because he believed void travel was possible

[zenith jacinth]

I quoted the detailed description given in-game

[wild wind]

They all knew it existed before that

[balmy storm]

I’m aware
That’s not what that description means?

[prime lantern]

The people we fight are slavers and will kill and enslave innocent people for personal gain

[obtuse gyro]

The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end.
❌

[balmy storm]

The important part is the “void-derived CAPACITY to conduct consciousness”
Nothing about it’s origin

[prime lantern]

To have a gentle city you must ring it in spears

[zenith jacinth]

You misinterpreted what I said

[real niche]

...ah

[balmy storm]

What had you said?

Or what did you mean

[zenith jacinth]

It was a counter point to captain, not an agreeing point

[balmy storm]

Ah okay
Sorry Scrap

[rustic cargo]

I'm not being understood on my thing about Tenno being in a morally gray area leaning good so I will just drop it

When can we drink Kuva

[prime lantern]

There is no moral gray

[balmy storm]

You had your chance

[zenith jacinth]

War within

[prime lantern]

We are objectively good

[rustic cargo]

I explained it and people disagree with me, that's okay, not gonna continue the conversation

[balmy storm]

Philosophically there is no objectively good but we do arguably do morally good things

[rustic cargo]

It is opinions at the end of the day

[zenith jacinth]

If killing instantly makes you unable to be considered morally good then I guess all paladins must be evil

[wild wind]

I mean moral relativism doesn't apply when the opposite side is "locusts" or "eternal slavery"

[zenith jacinth]

A third of the common alignment chart wiped out

[balmy storm]

Ethically we are messed up
Morally we are good
But objectively? It’s kinda just semantics but still

The Tenno are better than the other options and thus the objective better option for the innocent
Which
We protect

[steep totem]

Could also extend that to 'any time you eat, you kill something' and say nothing can ever be good
...tho that seems a little pessimistic for me

[obtuse gyro]

come now, you know that its ethically arguable there

like which system are we using here?

Because the utilitarians wouldnt think we're messed up

[wild wind]

If the Grineer and Corpus weren't respectively genocidal and brainwashing hyperexploitive slavers who are also going to genocide them, the Tenno wouldn't be trying to stop them

[balmy storm]

I mean ethically speaking from a gameplay standpoint at least some of the stuff we do is messed up

[balmy storm]

Exactly

[zenith jacinth]

I stepped on an ant as a kid I am now a bad guy

[obtuse gyro]

Ah yes, my intentional groin shots

[balmy storm]

LMAO

[obtuse gyro]

the peener is not safe

[balmy storm]

You are so evil bro, objectively so even

[rustic cargo]

Never safe

[prime lantern]

Also the grineer were shooting munitions that causes earthquakes at random villages

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

That alone is somehow not as bad as some things current humans have done

[prime lantern]

You're right

People do suck

My le bomb le kill people?

[rustic cargo]

Grineer need to start upping their war crime rates

[zenith jacinth]

I am also just generally a prick sometimes but I'd at least consider myself chaotic or neutral good

[steep totem]

They unleashed the Infestation for the second time
I'd say that covers 90% of war crimes available

[wild wind]

Honestly, my big issue with Warframe right now is that people don't think the Grineer and Corpus are the worst

[zenith jacinth]

Unless they control it, nah

[wild wind]

Like put the war back in Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

The infested are doing the war crimes, not the grineer

[nova harness]

Didn't Lohk existing name the Void?

[rustic cargo]

True enough

[balmy storm]

You’re def chaotic good

[wild wind]

Remind people that the Tenno are the balancers, not the big kids on the block

[obtuse gyro]

my brother in void, they called it the void before they could even squeeze void tongue out of it

[balmy storm]

Voidtongue came later?

[zenith jacinth]

Everyone always agrees with that apparently

[rustic cargo]

Yeah I can see how that would be an issue

[balmy storm]

Cause you’re good and you’re chaotic

[wild wind]

And that there's a reason we haven't beaten both factions

[rustic cargo]

Same thing with people enjoying the The Empire philosophy in Star Wars

[wild wind]

Ugh

[zenith jacinth]

I should go back to giving myself the title of "defender of the righteous"

[balmy storm]

There’s enjoying a villain and then there’s thinking they’re the good guy

[zenith jacinth]

...which was originally a music reference

[balmy storm]

Like I like Albrecht as a character
He is a horrible person who deserves Tagfer goat kicking his croach

[rustic cargo]

Yeah, I enjoy villain aesthetic but I also understand what's good and bad

[nova harness]

If we wiped out the factions there wouldn't be much of a game left

[rustic cargo]

me looking at the Red Veil

[balmy storm]

It’d be a different game

[zenith jacinth]

The roach crotch

Orokin are like roaches tbh

[balmy storm]

Red veil is just anarchist
Perrin is somehow better capitalists
And I don’t want to unpack New Loka

[wild wind]

The issue is that Albrecht is probably correct in a lot of his moves

[balmy storm]

I
Hate new loka for what should be obvious reasons

[wild wind]

New Loka actually changed but they can't let them actually change for gameplay purposes

[rustic cargo]

What's the deal with New Loka, idk their lore

[wild wind]

People call them ecofascists and that's honestly pretty accurate

[zenith jacinth]

Red veil is almost comedically evil, while new loka is 1939 evil

[balmy storm]

I just know they hate all Grineer as a blanket statement including the factual good grineer

[nova harness]

Suda wanting to kill people doesn't even make sense considering her whole thing is only caring about info

[balmy storm]

Exactly!
It’s def just a gameplay thing

[wild wind]

They loathe all forms of impurity including the infestation and then sicc ancient healer specters on you

[balmy storm]

Suda is the best syndicate lore-wise

[thick jolt]

Maybe "you are assisting others in destroying info so you must go"

[balmy storm]

I can see that

[wild wind]

And decide to let the planet burn when they find out the Silver Grove is an Orokin creation and not a natural wonder

[balmy storm]

If someone was burning books I’d punch them too

I hate new Loka

[wild wind]

However New Loka and Amaryn realize in the quest that they're wrong and say they're going to stop doing that

....then they don't

[thick jolt]

Funny alzheimer afflicted glass brain that likes music wants to hoard books

[wild wind]

Because six factions lol

[balmy storm]

Thus I hate them

[nova harness]

New Ducky headcanon: she killed the Orokin because they got rid of books

[balmy storm]

She’s me fr in 60-70 years

[zenith jacinth]

Me frfr minus the alzheimers

[balmy storm]

adding that to my lore

[rustic cargo]

Do Suda and Simaris ever do anything together

You would think they would

[balmy storm]

Simaris is too violent

[wild wind]

They dislike each other

[zenith jacinth]

[rustic cargo]

Interesting

[wild wind]

But they fight together during Octavia's Anthem against Hunhow

[zenith jacinth]

Simaris definitely likes suda

[nova harness]

Simaris likes data

Suda gives data

[thick jolt]

I dont think that's what was implied in octavia's anthem

[balmy storm]

Enemy of my enemy is my friend

[zenith jacinth]

"I'm only helping to protect the weave!"
Yeah sure as if you didn't try to cut her off before

[balmy storm]

Suda is based
Simaris is annoying

[thick jolt]

There is probably a very good reason simaris knows so much personally about suda yknow

[balmy storm]

One of my friends hates Simaris so much she refuses to do anything for him lol

[nova harness]

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy

[balmy storm]

Hunhow: 😨

[zenith jacinth]

What if the enemy of your enemy was previously neutral

[rustic cargo]

Y'all think Hunhow is lonely now with Stalker gone?

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[thick jolt]

Yup

[zenith jacinth]

Definitely

[balmy storm]

I hope we can help grandpa someday

[rustic cargo]

We should bring him a phone down there

[balmy storm]

Help him be less racist

[balmy storm]

He has fish at least that shouldn’t survive there but whatever

[rustic cargo]

True, he do have the fishies

[zenith jacinth]

We should extract hunhow and put him in a different deep ocean

[thick jolt]

Find a new cave close to the camp lol

[nova harness]

He has a phone down their it's called Stalker

[balmy storm]

I have red veil as one of my syndicates rn so I can get the hunhow scene

[rustic cargo]

He can chill in the waterfall near the drifter camp!!

[thick jolt]

Not anymore

[zenith jacinth]

Or maybe we should. Not put hunhow somewhere where he'll get eroded

[rustic cargo]

Yeah Stalker gone

He left the nest

[nova harness]

He has a phone down there it’s called fragment 1-25

[zenith jacinth]

I think I have that one, want to trade it?

[rustic cargo]

Hunhow gotta deal with the noise everytime the Tenno take the baby stroller up the elevator to get the parts for Jade

[nova harness]

I wonder why he even went down there

[zenith jacinth]

To hide

It is also described as a tomb so

[nova harness]

Was he expecting his kids to just pick up the slack while he hid?

[rustic cargo]

He was waiting for the call from Natah

[thick jolt]

Pretty sure that was the plan yeah

[zenith jacinth]

But natah forgot her dad's phone number

[nova harness]

I think she blocked him tbh

[thick jolt]

Dad was alergic to the adorable creatures she wanted to keep

[nova harness]

She was allergic to the creatures too though

[thick jolt]

But love will solve it!!

[rustic cargo]

Natah was supposed to betray the Orokin (I think) for the Sentients to turn on them and wipe em out and Natah hid amongst the Orokin and when things kicked off Natah decided she liked the Tenno more and didn't call for Hunhow to wake up from hiding and fought off the Sentients

I might be wrong but that's my memory of what happened

[zenith jacinth]

The creatures killed her brother twice

[nova harness]

Stupid plot armour

[thick jolt]

Second time was the sun

Not our fault

[nova harness]

Pazuul decided he wanted Erras mind

Personally, I think that's a bad idea

[balmy storm]

:O
sure, I have access to Arbiters, Suda and Steel so lmk if you want anything from those

[nova harness]

Tbh Pazuul isn't the rational Archon

[balmy storm]

That’d be Nira if I had to wager

[nova harness]

Niras the oldest iirc

[steep totem]

Boreal is too bitter and angry to be considered rational
Amar seems to be more interested in hunting and killing

[zenith jacinth]

I mean it wouldn't have happened if we
checks notes
Charged our necramech?

[steep totem]

Nira is probably the rational one, ye

[zenith jacinth]

I also have full access to those

[nova harness]

I wonder
If Erra made Caliban did we just casually walk in and give Caliban therapy and steal him away from his creator?

[balmy storm]

Oop ok
What would you like in exchange? Just plat or?

[steep totem]

Lol
Probably

[rustic cargo]

Nah Caliban just chill like that

[wild wind]

I wonder, like doesn't the alt-helmet imply that Caliban fought for the Sentients for all the Old War?

If anything I imagine Erra would pass the BP onto the operator directly during TNW

[nova harness]

Doesn't the alt helmet only confirm he was made in Old War?

[steep totem]

He was definitely there for the Old War
He probably did fight for the Sentients, if he was active

[wild wind]

Don't remember which is why I'm asking

[zenith jacinth]

Eh prob an arbiter syndicate weapon 100-125k standing is a lot, especially with the tedious micromanaging

[nova harness]

“A fearsome alternative helmet to give Caliban a look he has not worn since the Old War.”

[steep totem]

Or Hunhow found it and passed it along

[wild wind]

Yep there we go

[zenith jacinth]

Regular description states he was made by erra

[nova harness]

Yeah

[steep totem]

Honestly, I don't remember how we get the Caliban Blueprint
Is it in market, or emailed to us?

[wild wind]

Dunno if anyone saw the discussion from earlier but I still think it would be fun if DE made a quest where we replay an old quest but fight the Murmur at the same time

Market iirc

[zenith jacinth]

Morkat

[balmy storm]

Lemme know which one when you can

[steep totem]

Time-travel shenanigans back to Vor's Prize 🙏 🙏 🙏

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm slugcat

[zenith jacinth]

Only unranked can be traded iirc but boltace

[balmy storm]

I’ll grab you a boltace

[wild wind]

lol Sortie Archemedia

[balmy storm]

Wait why is the akbolto 25k cheaper lmao

[zenith jacinth]

I'm going for full arbiter loadout, that'd be 2/3

[zenith jacinth]

Syndicate secondaries are 100k, primary and melee 125k

[balmy storm]

Ah
Well I need to get 25k more standing for them but I’ll get that Boltace for you

[steep totem]

Well, that demolishes that idea
Maybe if I could find my Caliban login gift message from Lotus, it'd have better info

...if it hasn't been deleted by all of Varzia's messages

[wicked iron]

Philosophically, you can argue for anything. Total objectivity, total subjectivity, a combination, or even nothing at all. XD

[balmy storm]

Truue

@zenith jacinth got your boltace

[zenith jacinth]

Game says you're offline. Is game lying?

[balmy storm]

Oop I’ll hop in and send an invite

[warm anvil]

i was thinking if we replayed missions we could have access to photo mode during them. i think that would be awesome

[balmy storm]

We’d def see some stuff we shouldn’t lol
That’d be so cool

[gritty flume]

no devstream 187 overview yet?

[tight pagoda]

There wasn't too much to overview

[dense ice]

Only that the next big expansion is duviri/murmur related

Possibly

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe

Also hottest deluxe since revenant was showcased in game

[hearty pendant]

i saw some hate on the caliban augment section
is that like, a general opinion? i thought it was cool
n the augment seemed fun, too

[obtuse gyro]

Whats the aug

[hearty pendant]

ortholysts get a fire rate bonus that scales w/ the mod rank as well iirc

that section is around 54:30 in the devstream

[obtuse gyro]

Free grouping is crazy lol

[glass osprey]

i hope they add the ability to reset individuals in the hex sometime :( i botched the one with flare (cus im skeptical about abuse- and lizzie had way too many red flags- and yea i know she is just super misunderstood) and i REALLY dont wanna reset the others-

[zenith jacinth]

It's not really that lizzie is misunderstood but more that she doesn't fully understand humans

[jagged sable]

Yeah, It's like if a Zombie saw the last living human in a zombie apocalypse feeling lonely and was like "Hey, wanna be a Zombie?"

(well, pretty much exactly like that)

[dense ice]

So did u send lizzie to duviri?

If so, what happened afterwards? Regarding flare, and any signs of lizzie in duviri

[nova harness]

You can't send her to Duviri

She enters the chat and states doing so won't solve anything

[dense ice]

So what actually happens when you choose to not have flare and lizzie together

Any voiceline changes, inbox stuff etc

[nova harness]

No

[half sandal]

Yeah so

how tf do i beat jackal

as veso

[zenith jacinth]

Send in the exploding moa when it's stunned

[half sandal]

its that simple?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[half sandal]

do i just need the send a freaking bomb to him

and shoot him to explode?

[zenith jacinth]

Needs shield drone attached in the 2nd phase tho

You can tell it to follow the moa by aiming at it and casting the ability

[half sandal]

k i beat em

the railjack one is hard tho

i keep dying

[half sandal]

HOLY PEAK

[amber terrace]

I found a way to make Hunhow relevant

I F

We go to Tau, Hunhow would be an excellent character to show us around in an intro quest

Emphasis on the if

[wicked iron]

I want him to be our POC if/when we get a full Sentient syndicate.

[amber terrace]

What’s a POC in this context?

[rustic cargo]

Point of contact presumably

Hunhow as a vendor would be funny

[wild wind]

Completely deranged fanfiction thought

But Albrecht recreated Archon Shards in 1999, so theoretically you COULD feed them to War and get Hunhow in 1999

[steep totem]

If you're referring to them dropping in Temporal Archimedia, I credit that more to time shenanigans (iirc, the lore reason that mission exists is to stabilize the timeline)
The shards could be traveling from the Old War period, or ours, to 1999

[wild wind]

Not just that, but Albrecht copies your arsenal before you arrive, meaning he has archon shards ready to go

[steep totem]

I thought that was just syncing to your Orbiter with funny Orokin tech

[rustic cargo]

I think Hunhow would be chill in 1999

He could be a Senti-human and take a form like Natah and just hang out and message us

His messenger name is Gr4at&Terribl

[steep totem]

Like the idea, don't think Hunhow is a mimic tho, so he probably can't do that

[rustic cargo]

Yeah probably not

But it would be cool

[wild wind]

Part of the reason that Scaldra is more powerful than Grineer/Corpus is that the 1999 arsenal is built out of 1999 materials

[lucid magnet]

Hey,new player,is there a progression guide for getting new warframes,or is it every new planet unlocks a new warframe

?

[wild wind]

It's a bit more complicated than that, basically every planet has a Warframe, every quest has a Warframe, every open world has a Warframe, and a bunch of random activities have Warframes tied to them

This is a good guide but also don't ask this kind of question in spoiler chat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeGZqhDrRvw

[tight pagoda]

I recommend checking the Wiki and going through each Warframe, there'll be a tab that says "Acquisition" which shows how to get them

Try not to read beyond that because you might get a spoiler or two

For around 80% of Warframes, though, you'll want to get to the Duviri Paradox quest, which unlocks around the same time as Uranus. This unlocks the Circuit, which has a rotating set of Warframes every week, you pick one and then after doing a bunch of Circuit rounds (around 20?), you'll get all their blueprints

[glass osprey]

yea- i think its just lizzie says to you "Dummy you arent supposed to seperate us-"
then she and flare just ghost you 3:

honestly was kinda dissapointing...
i thought i was helping someone :(

[zenith jacinth]

Graat?

[jagged sable]

oh, great and terrible.
Like "The Great and Terrible Hunhow"

[zenith jacinth]

4 is a so it'd be graat

[tight pagoda]

Gr34t

[remote shadow]

Ordis is the same as always... Even after working for the Drifter
And him and the Operator sitting at the same table is just brilliant

But... it feels great to know that even the warframes itself are still living organisms
It feels even better to control one of them again!

[half sandal]

Whats the difference between the normal operator and the more human looking version on duvuri?

Are they the same person?

[echo basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[half sandal]

Elaborate

[echo basalt]

play new war

[half sandal]

ı'm already doing it rn

[obtuse gyro]

how far in

[half sandal]

were making my pookie operator a eidolon for some reason

[obtuse gyro]

geh?

[half sandal]

The blue bastard banished my mom into abbys and killed my original operator now ı'm playing as the "drifter"

[obtuse gyro]

ah yes, then keep playingh

[half sandal]

Okay

Ordis is dripped out for some reason

My man got a smokin

[rain otter]

he says he can't kill you.

[remote shadow]

But I'm ready to kill him

[hearty pendant]

valid

[remote shadow]

But I have to get there first... Anything I need to know before I end that war and bring the Lotus back?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[hearty pendant]

you get pretty much what you need to know via the quest

[neat monolith]

I just encountered racist remarks players inside the game. I have reported it in game. I would like to ask if it is possible to post in the community in order to request admin intervention. (Is it possible to send a screenshot containing the other player's personal name?

[nova harness]

Posting it here won't get admin intervention

Only DE can deal with it

[neat monolith]

I know. I was just asking if I could send it to the warframe forums.

[nova harness]

Once you report them that's all you can do

[neat monolith]

okay、thank you🥺

[gentle cape]

person of color hunhow..............

(yes ik its "point of contact" in this context but. the plot bunnies started jumping around in my head when i read this.)

[wicked iron]

[gentle cape]

just smth for me to think (obsess) about

& speaking of: ...1 week until reset??

or is my math not mathing, again??

[zenith jacinth]

Winter is reset

[half sandal]

The new war quest is going pretty smooth so far

[half sandal]

does choosing operator or the drifter make a difference?

[thick jolt]

Not mechanically no

Alters some dialogue a bit

[half sandal]

alr then

im just gonna pick the prettiest one

[half sandal]

k i need help how do u stop the ballas dude from frying our lotus?

[wild wind]

Bounce the lasers

[half sandal]

nvm i finished it

the whole quest
pretty peak ngl

atleast now i have a understanding of the story

[gray ivy]

I have a question for you guys, maybe one of you has looked into it

in the song "it cures", when the this is what you are part kicks in, I just noticed that there's vocals in the background, sounds really good tbh, and I was wondering if anyone had the lyrics to those

because I just can't hear them and official lyrics only contain the latter part of the song, the one you can actually hear

the only way I see hearing it better is using some like audio equipment to perhaps make certain sounds louder or smth but I'm not an audio guy so idk how I'd approach it

and by equipment I moreso meant software

[gray scarab]

Ah, crud.

[night grail]

"It kills me. It burns. (I don't actually know). I wanted this first."

[gray scarab]

As AntiCaesar said, it's just the chorus of The Call, just as Core Containment has stuff from it, The Great Despair, Rotten Lives, and others.

[night grail]

I know a thing or two about core containment

[craggy solstice]

It kills me, it burns
(I'm kicking up all the dirt)
I wanted this first
(Can't shake it but it hurts)

Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjL2r2FoYcM

[night grail]

I haven't listened to the call in a bit so thank you

[night grail]

There's also On Corroded Wings and The Lotus Eaters featured predominantly

[gray scarab]

IT BUILDS ME UP AND BREAKS ME DOWN UNTIL THERE'S NOTHING LEFT

[night grail]

Though there are a few sections I can't entirely place

All the main leitmotifs and vocals I can

But there's a synth section and one Entrati-esque bit i have no idea about

[gray scarab]

Point being it's a big jumble of our present and theirs.

[night grail]

Yes but let me have this i did an entire thing on this track

[versed cedar]

game bugged and removed the red lighting from fortuna

[night grail]

Im sorry but what did you cook in your fashion

[versed cedar]

its great aint it

[amber terrace]

Wonder Bread type beat

[half sandal]

Why is fortuna likes to sing so much?

[amber terrace]

Because singing a tune helps to slightly dampen the reality that your body isn’t your own and that if you aren’t constantly working at max intensity at every moment you’re liable to have your body taken from you

[versed cedar]

thats the second time i see someone say that 😂

[half sandal]

Thats so dark wtf

Fortuna people are human right?

Or just sentient robots?

[amber terrace]

They’re humans

Living and breathing

[half sandal]

But they are not regular ones

Cuz the ostrons the regular ones

Whats up with the ned anyo Guy and machine parts then

Are they in depth?

[amber terrace]

They’re in so much debt that they have to sell their organic limbs

[half sandal]

Jesus christ

A lot of people bought what?

A planet????

[amber terrace]

The brutal cycle is as follows
Born into generational debt
Have limbs taken
Acquire debt getting augments so you can work to pay off the debt of your forebears
Work to pay off debt of limbs
Augments get damaged
Get new augments
Acquire even more debt from new augments
Make the mistake of having kids
Kids are born into generational debt so bad your kid is working off debt from when Granum was in charge

They are working to earn the right to work

And if you fall behind on even one payment, Anyocorp has the obligation to send a repo squad to your hab and take what is rightfully theirs, whether or not you survive is not their problem

[rain otter]

You see it happen to legs. Also if you don't pay at all you get brain shelved which makes you go insane.

[half sandal]

But he came back cuz we paid his debt?

[rain otter]

No

He just doesn't have those limbs anymore.

It's why he only has robot legs now.

[half sandal]

Ah damn

[amber terrace]

Oh no, we didn’t pay his debt, we simply gave him to The Business(who totally didn’t sell him out to incite Eudico) and The Biz fixed him some new Legs

[rain otter]

Yeah Eudico the leader of

Solaris United and the one that is "Vox Solaris" which is when he uses the like Meme face of Nef Anyo

[half sandal]

is she bipolar?

[rain otter]

Like she's a Anynamous

[rain otter]

No she just doesn't want people to get hurt.

[amber terrace]

No, simply very traumatized

[half sandal]

So nef anyo bastard is the head of the anyocorp?

[rain otter]

Also we help people in debt through ticker.

[rain otter]

Yes.

[half sandal]

is he working with corpus?

[amber terrace]

Imagine this, you work at Amazon and you make a Union that is equal parts Union and revolutionary force because in this hypothetical Amazon is the government, and Amazon cracks down on your Union so hard that it gets dozens of people killed and even more children orphaned into even deeper generational debt

[amber terrace]

He, for all effective purposes, is the Corpus, or at least on Venus

[half sandal]

Corpus is just what disney is basically

Everyting for the profit and cred

[rain otter]

Nef is like one of the big 3 Coprus leaders we know.

[half sandal]

But why do we fight them as the tenno?

[rain otter]

Alad V Nef and Parvos.

[half sandal]

idk who pavros is

[rain otter]

Cuz we stop them.

[half sandal]

For making money?

[rain otter]

Do the Deadlock protocol quest.

[amber terrace]

The Corpus is a conglomerate of various corporations who’s only shared property is that they worship money in a perverted version of their founder, Parvos Granum’s, original philosophy of taking action, along with a laundry list of philosophical pitfalls that easily trap young people

[rain otter]

Well Nugget you realize that thet are doing is like basically even their soilders are debt slaves? And they do literally anything and everything including warcrimes to get more of it?

We are fighting space capitalists cuz capitalism is bad.

[half sandal]

Wow

Never thought warframe was that deep

[amber terrace]

Alad V? I mean kinda yeah, but after ||The New War|| I would be genuinely surprised if Alad isn’t in a Corpus max pen

[rain otter]

Also the Corpus are so MARRIED TO PROFIT they will literally sell stuff to anyone.

[half sandal]

He tried to sold the company to balls

[rain otter]

They sell weapons to the Grinner the FACTION THEY ARE AT WAR WITH

And that's fine.

[half sandal]

Lets sell a nuke to grineer

[rain otter]

They probably would

If the grinner paided enough.

[half sandal]

And grinner are worm worshippers who look kinda human but in a mutated way?

[rain otter]

Not worshipers.

The grinner are all clones

[half sandal]

Of whom

[rain otter]

No one

Just clones made for labor

Turned into Soilders.

[half sandal]

By the queens?

[rain otter]

No

The Queens became the leader after.

[amber terrace]

To imagine why the Grineer look and act the way they do, imagine if you fed a piece of art that you did through an AI trained exclusively on your work and you fed what the AI spit out to the same AI and rinse repeat until you have something unrecognizable

[rain otter]

Yeah now they are clones

Of themselves

[gentle cape]

yeah but w a private paramilitary

[half sandal]

Thats weird

[rain otter]

Cuz they don't have the original gene molds rhe orokin used to make them.

[half sandal]

Grineer are bad because the queens do chaos?

[rain otter]

But like I said they where originally just workers then one of the workers killed a Sentient during the old war so the Orokin used him for the basis of grinner soilders.

[rain otter]

No their bad cuz their xenophobic conqueres that only know war.

[half sandal]

But clem is different

[rain otter]

yes

[half sandal]

Why isnt he hostile?

[rain otter]

So is Khal so is everyone in Steel Meridan.

The Corpus in Perrin Sequence. are also a good off shoot of Corpus

[half sandal]

The only grineer that actually red a book

[rain otter]

no

[half sandal]

They are grineer?

[rain otter]

he has a genetic deformatite that lets him disobey.

[rain otter]

Steel Meridan is. go to their base on earth.

clem is there so are a lot of Grinner Soilders

[half sandal]

ı'm their syndicate and general

[rain otter]

WELL they are Ex-Grinner Soilders. this is basiclly a rebel group.

But yeah they are Grinner.

[half sandal]

Wow

[amber terrace]

Oh dude everyone is bad in some degree or another
The Grineer are washing over the colonies pillaging and plundering and adding to their disjointed empire
The Corpus are a money worshiping cult that will repo your heart and not blink an eye
The Infested is a weird tech virus that’s busy eating ships and planets whole
The Sentients are an invading force motivated by not wanting the Orokin to spread
The Tenno will clear an entire ship of its inhabitants because their Sentient mother assets taped to a toaster told them to and also for a few polymer bundles
And the Orokin are responsible for literally all of this mess

[half sandal]

But ıf they are the same clones how do they have genders?

[rain otter]

Perrin Sequence like i said are a corpus company that actually want good for people.

[rain otter]

they aren't based off of a person.

They are just made from Gene Molds

[half sandal]

Lol

[rain otter]

also the Grinner Let the Queens lead them cuz they are/where Idenitical Orokin sisters and the grinner respected that.

[rain otter]

I WOULD NOT SAY THE TENNO ARE BAD.

i still think the Setting is very the tenno are good

[half sandal]

So the orokin is the big bad and a ancient race that ruled the solar system am ı correct?

[rain otter]

Yes.

Welll NOT RACE.

[supple igloo]

they arent exactly good

[rain otter]

i would go into it but we are supposed to be good yes.

[rain otter]

not a race more like royals. anyone if they had the orokin tech could look like them.

[half sandal]

They are blue angelic dudes its a race

[rain otter]

they are normal people they only live a long time cuz they switch bodies. @half sandal they only have long arms cuz they have body mods.

like they could choose to not be blue

[half sandal]

Wow

[rain otter]

or have long arms. they are just basiclly royals.

[half sandal]

So they are human

[rain otter]

they are normal humans yes.

[supple igloo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Dax are Orokin are they not?

[rain otter]

No.they are a lower cast.

soilders.

[half sandal]

But then sentinels start a war

[rain otter]

WELLLLLLLLLLLL

[half sandal]

The old war

[rain otter]

the sentients didn't START IT.

[half sandal]

No they are just the soldiers

[rain otter]

The dax where a classs during the orokin time.

also the tenno killed most of them.

[half sandal]

Dax are human too but specially focusing on elements ı guess

[half sandal]

Why?

[rain otter]

like there's a reason only Teshin and Valria are alive.

[rain otter]

cuz most of them where loyal to the orokin.

[viral herald]

But how are they related to transference like the Dax who was umbra who had a transference bolt on him during his “sickness”

[steep totem]

The Hek you mean they didn't?
They came and invaded first

[rain otter]

Oh Umbra was a dax @supple igloo @half sandal

[half sandal]

Why did we hate the space smurfs?

[rain otter]

WELLLL did they? the reapers lament

says otherwise.

[amber terrace]

||Bro I can go to Höllvania right now and shoot a person, with a family, in the face right now with a weapon that gives them a yet unforeseen virus(Viral damage) and also cause them to hemorrhage out their internal organs over the course of a few seconds(Slash damage) and also explode him so hard that the Viral and Slash literally disintegrate him(AOE)||

[half sandal]

Yeah he died and became umbra frame somehow

[rain otter]

cuz they are evil. did you see ballas?

Ballas is the worst of them but they are all this way.

[viral herald]

Yeah we hate the Orokin

[rain otter]

or where.

[half sandal]

Hes a narcissist pervert yes but İ Thought only he is evil

[rain otter]

even Albretch (an orokin) is still distant and terrible.

[half sandal]

He does say that he betrayed his own kind in umbra flsshbacks

[viral herald]

Sorren and Jade didn’t deserve their fate

[rain otter]

no. this was the norm for the orokin empire.

[supple igloo]

He could have died and then his body could have been used to make the Umbra frame

[gentle cape]

...why wouldnt the tenno hate them?? they literally made them into child soldiers for their own gains AND against their wills. ON TOP OF THAT they sent the tenno on a failing mission & didnt bother caring about said failed mission, no, they wanted to KILL THE 13YO KIDS FROM THAT SHIP (aka the tenno)...

[viral herald]

The Zariman Ten zero?

[amber terrace]

The least evil Orokin we see directly is Albrecht and even then, I’m fairly confident the only reason we don’t uber hate him is because UwU MLM old man with his old man husband

[rain otter]

only one of them was orokin the other was a archemidain i think. but yeah we hang out with the family.

the family are orokin.

[gentle cape]

yup

[viral herald]

Well may Ballas and his lot rot in hell

[half sandal]

For the sake of being evil??

[viral herald]

Wait can someone explain man in the wall

[gentle cape]

...wh???

[viral herald]

I need to know more about this “entity”

[half sandal]

Why do they use the tenno like that ı meant

[supple igloo]

I dont think we have any clear answers on him yet.

[amber terrace]

I am entirely too sober to explain this, I’m gonna hand you off to Vinny

[rain otter]

@supple igloo @half sandal all warframes when they are first made are literally made the same way umbra is made into a warframe. Umbra just is special cuz ballas left the memory of Umbra killing his son in his head. also Umbra was trapped in the MOON until WE do the second dream and take the moon out of the void.

[supple igloo]

Pretty sure hes the current developing villain

[viral herald]

but doesn’t he mock you as you?

[half sandal]

the Warframes are also human right? The orokin turned them İnto war machines and used them with tennos

[viral herald]

Hey kiddo?

[gentle cape]

its bc the tenno are the only ones who can control the warframes (aka the humans the orokin forcibly turned into madness-driven infested ppl w super strength & durability...)

[shadow forum]

Yea he did.

[viral herald]

Through the Helminth strain?

[rain otter]

they are a evil empire. also have you read night of the naga drums? it's what stalker is mad about we killed all the orokin leadership in 1 day.

[steep totem]

Just now reread it
Tell me, where does the Reaper's Lament say the Sentients didn't start the war?

[rain otter]

it was a celebration of the tennos victory against the sentient

[viral herald]

And also the execution of those dang Orokin scumbags

Well least they didn’t know

[half sandal]

All ı know abt stalker is that he is jades husband

[shadow forum]

Stalker was before a human, he worked for a troopers, until he had a child with jade warframe, than he got sended to a some sort of banning him from the places.

[rain otter]

okay So in that it says that the orokin SHIPS AND FIRE and stuff WENT TO TAU. which we thought that the senteints came from tau to invade the origin system.

[steep totem]

Because what I read had no mention of the Old War's start
Just its end

[shadow forum]

🤔 correct me

[viral herald]

Human name Sorren right?

[half sandal]

idk

[supple igloo]

It is

[rain otter]

that's what it became but it was the orokin where honoring the tenno for winning.

[gentle cape]

yup

[rain otter]

yes.

[viral herald]

It sucks that their child has to suffer all of that

Sirius or Orion

And then Jade died-

Man-

[rain otter]

Jade also is pregnant cuz Ballas did it literally to torture her.

[gentle cape]

said child got turned into a warframe in the process... as a fetus.

[half sandal]

So then what is lotus? A sentient that got molded into humanized form to keep an eye on tennos?

[rain otter]

Yes well also a mimic queen.

[viral herald]

Wait wait, so when this child grows up, will he have the powers of Stalker and Jade?

[half sandal]

How do u torture someone with pregnancy??

[supple igloo]

We don't know

[rain otter]

made by the senteints to kill the orokin and then us.

[viral herald]

I’m so curious about this child’s potential power

[shadow forum]

The stalker when he stole shards to save a warframe his wife from.dying, that she turned into a baby.

[half sandal]

But she refused

[gentle cape]

who knows....... de gave us that plot point & dopped.

[rain otter]

by making it where she literally has to STAY STILL FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS TO GET IT TO DO ANYTHING OR GROW ANYWAY

[rain otter]

the second part.

[supple igloo]

I think he leans more towards Jade over Stalker.

[half sandal]

Thats sad

[rain otter]

YES

IT IS

[half sandal]

im glad we killed his blue ahh

[viral herald]

From what I know, when she was pregnant with the child, Ballas injected her with the Helminth strain

[half sandal]

But what abt the guys on deimos
Arent they orokin as well?

[supple igloo]

We should have done more than just kill him

[viral herald]

Entrati??

[supple igloo]

Nice, slow, Norse myth style torture

[rain otter]

they are albretches family on their family MOOON. but yes.

[viral herald]

Not sure about them

[half sandal]

Chop his balls off

[rain otter]

they are the entratii family

[gentle cape]

theyre the only good orokins... more or less (just ignore how toxic & abusive they are towards each other)

[rain otter]

they are orokin.

they are also very infested. also they didn't like the orokin society.

[half sandal]

Why are they so big and where are their legs?

[rain otter]

even then they have a LOT OF PROBLEMS.

[viral herald]

Didn’t father make the the “first warframe- Voidrig”

[rain otter]

orokin can just be that big if they want. BUT they are infested.

[supple igloo]

Infestation, the Grey Strain.

[half sandal]

Oh

[viral herald]

Oh yeah

[rain otter]

not warframe basiclly something to fight the senteinnts

[half sandal]

Okay

[rain otter]

and it failed.

[viral herald]

Oh yeah

[rain otter]

Also diemos is infested

[viral herald]

But wait who was that entity in the end, who destroyed the heart

Did anyone find out?

The one in that Voidrig

[supple igloo]

Aside from Albrecht's laboratories

[rain otter]

cuz they set off a bomb on it to stop the senteints from getting from the heart.

[supple igloo]

those are Murmur territory

[rain otter]

well you get told by them. (it was grandma).

[viral herald]

Wait-

[half sandal]

Grandma the goat

[rain otter]

Grandma was getting the family back together.

[supple igloo]

Yep

[viral herald]

WAIT WHAT WHY-

[rain otter]

TO GET THEM TO WORK TOGETHER

[viral herald]

BUT HUH-

[half sandal]

im curious abt dagath

[rain otter]

aND ACTUALLY ASK FOR HELP

[viral herald]

I never knew about that

[rain otter]

do you have a DOjo?

[viral herald]

But it makes sense

[half sandal]

Yes

[rain otter]

you can listent to her story in her dojo room.

it's even told by g-ma.

[half sandal]

And yes ı did listened to grannys story and got her parts

[viral herald]

I would actually like to

[half sandal]

But the story itself is weird

im guessing dagath was a rich woman who turned into a creepypasta type sht as a warframe

[rain otter]

well she was in a relationship with a orokin couple and they loved her too much that they got jelous of a horse. they wanted to kill the horse wounded her instead and the only way to save her was to turn her into a warframe.

[half sandal]

And actuslly stole grandmas name

[rain otter]

they hated the warframde had a smile on her face.

[steep totem]

Not rich
Just a regular Dax

[rain otter]

So they did that to her and then she got back up and killed them.

[rain otter]

not rich. the story is true. she was a guard for the couple.

Then was in a poly relationship with them.

[half sandal]

Wait wait
A horse?

[rain otter]

yeah.

if you name something it makes it be like a object

[half sandal]

Freaky orokins

[rain otter]

you can love. names have a lot of power in warframe.

If you level up the family

they get names.

[rain otter]

no.

[half sandal]

But not grandma

[rain otter]

yeah she knows who she is

even withouth a name.

[steep totem]

Grandma knows her name
It's just not hers anymore

[rain otter]

the poly part isn't what's bad in the story. you missed that if you think that is the bad part.

[half sandal]

The sisters with glasses is the cutest orokin prob

[rain otter]

everyone had old names they just got new ones. you are bad at this.

i mean sister is cool.

[steep totem]

No, they literally all forgot their names
Except Grandmother, as it turned out

[half sandal]

The bad part is the smurfs got mad
AT A HORSE
And wounded her by accident?

[steep totem]

That's why they get new names in the first place

[rain otter]

yes.

[wild wind]

Killed her by accident

Iirc they Warframe'd her corpse

[rain otter]

the poly part is fine and acceptable.

we love poly people here.

[half sandal]

So u can bring ppl back as warframes

[wild wind]

Ish

[rain otter]

well as she was dying.

they turned her into one.

[wild wind]

The frame version was very different

[rain otter]

yeah. what captian said.

[wild wind]

No memories, no volition

[half sandal]

Why does she have

No face

[rain otter]

they didn't like her smiling face.

[wild wind]

Oh the Orokin couple thought it was creepy

[half sandal]

Just a machine waiting to be controlled

[rain otter]

the face you see on the walls in the hollow.

[steep totem]

Didn't like the perpetual smile, so they had it lazered off

[wild wind]

She was the only Warframe we know of with an actual face

[rain otter]

you can see her warframe face.

in the hollow.

[half sandal]

Where

[rain otter]

on the walls

[rain otter]

EHHHH let me look.

[wild wind]

But since the expression never changed they got creeped out so they decided to kill her with a mining laser

[rain otter]

also they probably asked for that.

which is funny.

[half sandal]

Wait so she had a smiling human face?

[wild wind]

Closer to what we'd call a death mask

Like a metalworked smiling human face

[rain otter]

caliban has a face.

in his helment.

[wild wind]

Caliban barely counts because >Sentient

[half sandal]

Thats creepy

[wild wind]

Literally a different design philosophy

[supple igloo]

So like the important people in Duviri

[steep totem]

Didn't help that she just stood motionless, staring at people

[wild wind]

Yes great comparison

[wild wind]

So yeah her vibes were weird and she was basically a modern Tennoframe

[half sandal]

With no flames

Just a motionless face

[wild wind]

So they punched a hole through her skull and buried her in a shallow grave

....and THAT'S when her memories came back

[steep totem]

and then she dug herself out of it

[half sandal]

So frames can die?

[wild wind]

Oh absolutely

[half sandal]

[wild wind]

It's just very very hard to kill them

[half sandal]

But they dont need to eat or drink or sleep

[rain otter]

but she has horse abilites cuz she was a calavary woman. also part of her animations are her like taking care of her ghost horse.

[wild wind]

They do need some level of maintenance, but they're mostly self sustaining due to the infestation

[rain otter]

well the helminth takes care of that.

[wild wind]

Yep

[rain otter]

you can get her horses stuff for your kaithe.

[half sandal]

Thats cute

[steep totem]

Yup
Dug herself out of the grave, memories came back, and she went and made the couple just as faceless as she was now

[half sandal]

So she is essentially just a human in a warframe body

Wonder how she sees

[steep totem]

...

[rain otter]

THAT'S ALL WARFRAMES DAWG

like we use copies of it

[steep totem]

except Caliban, probably

[half sandal]

But she can think of her own

[rain otter]

no.

[half sandal]

No??

[rain otter]

kinda. also kullevro was a gen 1 he litearlly was like thinking on his own.

[wild wind]

Most Warframes CAN think

[steep totem]

The first gen warframes could
The original Dagath was one of em

[wild wind]

Even ours

[rain otter]

no she wasn't Coshua.

[wild wind]

But they prefer not to

[rain otter]

Kullervo was.

[wild wind]

1st generation just means "people turned into Warframes"

[rain otter]

does it?

[half sandal]

So theres also generations

[rain otter]

idk.

[steep totem]

Then how was she able to take up her Dorrclave and slaughter the Orokin couple

[wild wind]

In this context yeah

[supple igloo]

What about Protoframes?

[wild wind]

Vs. fully grown from infested material and blueprints

Entirely different concept

[rain otter]

idk dawg a lot of this doesn't make sense. Umbra was literally one of the last warframes to be made.

[wild wind]

They're people who have been mostly transformed into Warframes

[half sandal]

Wow

[rain otter]

by albretch.

it's why they hate albretch

[wild wind]

but they haven't been given the last doses of Helminth serum that would push them over the edge

[half sandal]

So wait wait lets say ı take wisp and opened her insides with a knife what would ı see?

[rain otter]

a lot of our allies wanna kill Albretch.

[wild wind]

Infested material

[supple igloo]

That makes sense

[rain otter]

infesation. maybe a skeleton.

maybe some vestigial organs.

[wild wind]

BIG maybe

[rain otter]

yep.

[wild wind]

Alad V talks about cutting Warframes open during Second Dream

[half sandal]

Oh

[rain otter]

yeah he said it doesn't make sense.

and it wouldn't.

[wild wind]

....which is why we've been trying to kill him for a IRL decade

Like, actually kill him not just do assassinate missions

[half sandal]

So cephalons are ai right ?

[rain otter]

no

[wild wind]

No they're also people

[half sandal]

WHAT

[rain otter]

ai is banned nugget.

[half sandal]

WHY İS EVERYTING İN THİS GAME A PEOPLE

[wild wind]

Basically the Orokin had a few really messed up execution methods

[rain otter]

yeah Ordis was a guy. also most celphaons where turned into one as a punishment.

[wild wind]

One was the Jade Light, basically a death laser that blows you up into atoms

[half sandal]

İS MY ORBITER TOILET HUMAN!??

[wild wind]

Yes

[rain otter]

you mean Ordis? he was.

[supple igloo]

So Suda and Simaris were human at one point?

[wild wind]

His name was Ordan Karris

The Beast of Bone

[half sandal]

Omg

[rain otter]

Yes. Suda actually wanted to become one @supple igloo a cephalon she had dementia.

[half sandal]

Whos suda

[rain otter]

a Syndicate

[rain otter]

in the reyals. you have the steel merdians.

[wild wind]

Hello Ordis

Fun fact, if you look at the cephalon fragments in the codes you can hear a weird background buzzing sound

[rain otter]

if you Steel M you could have Suda as one of your factions @half sandal

[half sandal]

Why is it there?

[wild wind]

Move your cursor around to the right spot and a different message will start to play

[rain otter]

also yeah all the warframe celphalon fragments tell ordands story.

[half sandal]

ı am steel meridian

[rain otter]

yeah

[wild wind]

https://youtu.be/wynaW-NQ23s

[supple igloo]

I switched from Meridian to Arbiters.

[rain otter]

you could be Steel Arbs Suda.

[half sandal]

So the warframes are human
Cephalons are human
Tennos are zaruman which is ı guess human?

[rain otter]

that's not a switch you could have Steel arbs and Suda.

[wild wind]

The Zariman colonists were human, yes

After the Zariman project failed the Orokin swapped to the Sentients

[half sandal]

Dude whoever wisp was
ı bet she was popular

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/wisp-cute-warframe-loop-gif-11136109274438645805

[rain otter]

Suda. she does the octavia quest.

celphalon.

[half sandal]

wha

[rain otter]

how did you not know

what

[half sandal]

ı'm dumb

[rain otter]

SHE LOOKS LIKE THIS

[half sandal]

im prob missing a lot of things in this game

[rain otter]

it's okay a lot of people do.

also if you did belly of the beast or acesion.

[wild wind]

Like the Grineer Queen lore hahaha

[rain otter]

Ordis talks to Parvos and parvos talks to him about when Ordis was human.

[half sandal]

They are clones too ı believe

[rain otter]

no

they where Orokin identicial twins.

[wild wind]

They're not, they're Orokin identical twins

[rain otter]

where/are.

[half sandal]

Who was parvos again

[wild wind]

Corpus founder

[rain otter]

original Corpus Founder.

[wild wind]

Golden Hand man

[half sandal]

Ah k

[rain otter]

@half sandal they don't look the same now cuz they have switched bodies a few times.

[half sandal]

They are orokin??

Why dis they choose to be so ugly

[rain otter]

They only had

[wild wind]

"There's a man up high with a devil in his eye/And a golden hand I'm told"

[rain otter]

grinner clone bodies.

[half sandal]

Poor them

[rain otter]

i know. it's why they want your body.

[wild wind]

Yeah that's why the Witch Queen tried to steal your body during War Within

[half sandal]

Oh wait they were trying to steal our body no?

[rain otter]

yes.

[wild wind]

It'd get her a new human body AND your void powers

[half sandal]

Yes ik

ı finished new war today

[rain otter]

they have a few hints in their dialog.

[wild wind]

But real quick, the Orokin hated twins because it reminded them of the Grineer, who also looked identical

[rain otter]

like they say "WE MADE THESE UGLY METAL CYSTS" and stuff like that.

[wild wind]

(Basically it made the queens look like servants)

[rain otter]

idk if it was cuz of the grinner

but yeah they did hate twins.

[wild wind]

It was iirc

[half sandal]

Why do they switch bodies anyway

[rain otter]

to live

forever.

[half sandal]

Couldnt they just build a body?

[rain otter]

yes and no.

[wild wind]

Doesn't quite work like that

[rain otter]

yeah.

[wild wind]

To properly take a body you have to prepare it

[rain otter]

also the sister don't have the tech that the old orokins had.

[wild wind]

Wear down the original personality, conduct rituals etc

most Grineer don't have personalities so they're easy to replace

[rain otter]

also they would then change them to look how the orokin wanted. including dying the subjects skin

enlongating arms that sort of stuff.

[half sandal]

Geez

[rain otter]

so a orokin could go through a lot of bodies and look the same.

[half sandal]

ı just got 57 reasons to hate orokin

[rain otter]

yeah.

[wild wind]

The sisters could capture colonials and take their bodies, but the Grineer are remnants of Orokin bioengineering

[half sandal]

Why did the old wqr even happened?

[wild wind]

Grineer bodies for all their problems are MUCH stronger than normal peope

[rain otter]

sentients

didn't wanna be controlled.

[wild wind]

Two step process

[half sandal]

Based

Kinda

[wild wind]

The Sentients were sent to Tau to colonize it but became people on the way

[rain otter]

they where true AI.

[half sandal]

So after the war the hunhow got sealed under uranus?

[rain otter]

outlawed but the orokin are greedy

and see past their own rules.

[wild wind]

They finished terraforming it and then realized that the Orokin were gonna f it up

So they decided to strike first and kill the Orokin

[rain otter]

no he did that on purpose to play dead. to make the orokin think he was dead.

[rain otter]

the orokin got to the tau system first.

we don't know what happened to make them come to blows.

[wild wind]

Nah that came later

[rain otter]

no?

[half sandal]

The tau is our solar system?

[wild wind]

During the War

[rain otter]

in the reapers latment

[gray ivy]

that's so strange because I thought this but I hear things like "killing me" (not kills me), and stuff like that where it does not sound like the chorus at all for me for some reason

[rain otter]

Hunhow talks about how the orokin ships came.

[wild wind]

Tau is Tau Ceti

[half sandal]

Tau ceti

[rain otter]

ours is the origin system. also the sentients where made to get to tau after the zariman ship failed.

[gray ivy]

wait a minute, I just listened to it again and it sounds so clear now

[half sandal]

i got some more missions to do abt zariman ig

[gray ivy]

idk why it was so hard to hear earlier

perhaps just lower volume helped

[gray scarab]

There are some theories that Tau and Origin are actually the same system, vastly separated by time, but those are just theories.

[half sandal]

imma sleep and dream abt the space mom

Cya dudes

[rain otter]

that wouldn't make Sense we have literally been there.

well not us but we know we could go there.

[gray ivy]

anyway, what's the connection between the call and it cures anyway? because I also found out about the lyrics of it cures essentially being the opposite of the call

[rain otter]

the solar rail existed

just hunhow broke our side.

[gray ivy]

but idk what the call is supposed to be about to where it would have this profound connection to the ending song of the quest

[wild wind]

Some of the Old War lore has changed over the years

Partly deliberately and partly because new writers forgot/didn't check what the previous writers wrote

Kinda like how the Lotus changed between launch and Natah

[gray scarab]

Amateur's guess: The Call is at a point where the Protoframes aren't comfortable with their powers, with their swordsteel bodies, thinking it's a curse. It Cures is at a point where, curse or not, this power can be used to help people. The two reflect the different mentalities of having, for lack of a better term, weird-ass abilities.

[gray ivy]

Could work for sure

[tight pagoda]

So imma guess we're not getting the third Orb mother boss with the next update

Instead the update will be Duviri focused

Based on:

• Devstream had an enemy called DuviriMurmur (working name though)
• Devstream at PAX will give people who attend a Kullervo noggle
• slightly less damning but Kullervo deluxe skin

[amber terrace]

If DE puts in a Tigris Incarnon I will be over the moon

[gentle cape]

...there isnt one??

also yk how the void flood missions in circuit have teshin saying "if the void angels' master breaks into duviri we will have more trouble than just thrax" or smth like that??? i wonder if thats gonna happen...

like. actually happen instead of teshin being scared of it

[gray scarab]

Isn't that just referring to Wally?

[gentle cape]

yeah... which also makes me wonder how teshin knows abt wally...

[gray scarab]

That being said, even after The Hex Finale, Wally's still around somewhere - as beings of his plane of existence would be. Maybe it'll happen.

[gray scarab]

Well, to get to and from Duviri, you need to break through the Albrecht Membrane, right? Maybe some people can glimpse into the Wall as they pass through?

[gentle cape]

teshin was too injured to do any of that tho...

[gray scarab]

Teshin was kinda forced into Duviri, though, like The Lotus' hand.

Or perhaps he doesn't actually know it's the Man in the Wall specifically, but knows there's a powerful presence that can't be released.

Or it's not Wally at all, instead being another being from his plane of existence.

[rain otter]

They should.

We did Sybaris

[amber terrace]

I would still use it even if the Incarnon was mid in comparison to stuff like the Torid, Burston, and Boltor

[rain otter]

Yee.

I think the Sybarius one is great.

[amber terrace]

The Sybaris was a go to for a while, then I got the Trumna Prime

There’s a reason it’s the Lotus’ favorite weapon

[supple dagger]

Is there a somachord you can get from Flare??

[amber terrace]

||no but you can get their Guitar||

[wild wind]

IMO that should be a whole event

Like, Wally takes over Pluto for a month

[balmy storm]

How does he even know what a void angel is, he clearly knows more than he did before

[night grail]

They'll come back though

[night grail]

Hey we saw the rest of the Entrari too. They were fractured when we first met them but they weren't evil

[amber terrace]

Because we, the Tenno, stuck them in a time loop

[amber terrace]

By the time we encounter them they’re more infested literal brain rot pantomiming Orokin than proper Orokin

[night grail]

Albrecht stuck them all in the timeloop originally

The Drifter ran it back to save the Hex

Or maybe albrecht did

Either way it was part of the Kalymos Sequence

To goad the drifter into saving the hex

Also it's the scaldra. It is not our fault they are working for an evil organization

Whether knowingly or simply fell for the propaganda

[night grail]

It took their names sure. But they are still people, of some sort. There's glimpses of who they were before

[urban sinew]

||Ballas making jade a warframe stopped her baby's development. So she felt the pain of knowing her baby won't ever live. Ballas also kept dangling the stalker over her head. Showing her how he didn't remember her or their child. But the reason jade can give birth to Sirius/Orion is because she is putting all of her energy towards the baby.||

[urban sinew]

Ok, so, umbra was never "sick" the thing causing his sickness was the helminth strain. In his iv was a liquid helminth. Ballas fitted him with a special transference bolt, an umbral transference bolt. This special bolt give umbra a will, but it replayed him killing his son over and over and over. Causing him to go insane. Ballas is a cruel man.

[night grail]

The transference bolt was so ballas taunt him secretly. It doesn't have anything to do with his sentience.

The burning memory Umbra has was part of his punishment alongside becoming a warframe

[balmy storm]

Also him killing his son

[night grail]

Yeah true

[half sandal]

im more glad we killed him

[unreal spruce]

finally finished the second dream, the better hair behind platinum is killing me
here's my fairy-type pokemon gym leader

[rustic cargo]

Yeah Operator got some rough hair

[night grail]

Recording lotus lines????

[open vault]

Yeah shes been recording for a whiiile

[night grail]

[open vault]

https://tenor.com/view/lotus-dance-fortnite-warframe-server-gif-12890772055272978214

[night grail]

Now??

[undone lodge]

Yeah

I’m gonna miss all the Borderlands talk 😔

[amber terrace]

The speculation around the airplane looking goobs that showed up on Devstream 187 is making me get excited for the next update and Devstream

[haughty rose]

le....

UGGGGGHHHHHHH

ok... so apparently Flare doesnt wanna cooperate with "lizzie"... does any scenario of this that ends well??

[rain otter]

there is a choice that ends well.

[haughty rose]

like Flare makes peace? I mean I kinda figured.. i just didnt know if I hit a threshold/point of no return... the "Flare is getting desperate" part threw a red flag

[real niche]

You're still really early in the convos

[tight pagoda]

All 3 chats have a good ending and a bad ending. I hope you're able to get the good endings in this rotation , because otherwise you'd have to wait another month for the calendar to reset

[haughty rose]

wel that makes me hopeful

[jagged sable]

I have a weird idea on a potential meaning for this voidtongue glyph.
I think this is a voidtongue prefix. I know there's voidtongue prefixes because there's "Karis" and "Kalohk" Which respectively mean "Unlight"/"Darkness" or "Unvoid"/"The Material World"
Assuming that they'd make a whole voidtongue glyph dedicated to prefixes, I think this is that very VoidTongue prefix: "Ka-"
So, assuming I'm right about this. When the Panel lit up, it said:
"Fass Netra Kalohk Vome Xata Jahu"
Which may translate to: "Chaos Decays The Material World Order's True Form."

[balmy storm]

The closest one that unknown requiem resembles is actually Jahu?

Which even then it isn’t exact
It’s hard to tell cause it’s obstructed

[steep totem]

You know, compared to the other glyphs, that unknown one looks almost like someone just scribbled it in

[balmy storm]

Fass Netra ??? Vome Xata Jahu
If it is the prefix Ka then idk

[balmy storm]

If I had to guess?
It’s one the Drifter is “creating” due to this being the moment they take control of the loop

Could even just be denial or denying

[steep totem]

That's a funny thought

I mean, I was just pointing out something I found funny, and you're considering the serious lore implications of it

Man, I love these lore channels

[balmy storm]

I’m trying to find a better clip that shows the full set on the countdown and the first one is always covered by our head ):

[steep totem]

But no, it would make sense as to why it would look less polished than the other glyphs

[jagged sable]

I knoooow I hate our drifter's head covers Fass.

[balmy storm]

Sorry, I take lore typically fairly seriously
But
Yeah, it does look goofy compared to the rest

[steep totem]

No no, you're good
It's a neat take, and I appreciate it

[balmy storm]

Chaos Decays Deny(?) Lohk Order True Form?

I mean I could see it being deny or something akin to that cause we’re taking control away from Wally whom is a void entity

But
Idk

[zenith jacinth]

Void and order in the same sentence is funny

[balmy storm]

I fear we may be overthinking this but at the same time
Why introduce a new requiem here?
What does this mean when put together?
It feels like it should relate to us taking control OR Wally losing control of the loop

[steep totem]

Negate, perhaps?
It is an interesting idea

Perhaps it's even a personal name for us in Voidtongue

[balmy storm]

Ooo I can see that

I do like the idea it could be the prefix of Ka since we have yet to see how that visually appears when written

[balmy storm]

We are Mara Lohk

Wally refers to us as Mara Lohk
The Cavia refer to us as Mara Lohk
Lotus refers to us as Mara

[steep totem]

I always saw that as what we are, a Void Child
Not who we are, our name

[balmy storm]

Oooo, yee

[jagged sable]

Exactly what my thought process is!
Are Karis and Kalohk their own glyphs?
Or are they 2 glyphs with "Ka-" being it's own glyph before "Lohk or "Ris"?

[lone axle]

externally "mara" is the canon name for the protagonist operator going through the quests in script

imagine the void calling you by your name

[hearty pendant]

i mean, it calls us by a family nickname already

[lone axle]

yeah

i get people trying to translate "mara" into an actual word in voidtongue but i feel like it's a stand in for your operator's name lol

[thick jolt]

It's less a canon name and more of a name for them to read the script that is shorter than "operator"

[nova harness]

Well that’s because all the other words were spoke in Voidtounge

[frail flame]

Mara quite literally means demon, and is associated with demons
It's why they call us Mara Lohk or 'Void Demon", to them this is what we are

[hearty pendant]

why would the cavia call us demon?

[zenith jacinth]

P sure mara is one of the words they explicitly didn't translate in the voidtongue song lyrics

[frail flame]

The cavia became sentient from interacting with the man in the wall from void exposure, and were given sentience through him
It makes since that they call us by the name he calls us, because they learned through him

[hearty pendant]

ballas calls us 'void devils'
and the infestation calls us 'demon'
nothing void related calls us demon directly iirc

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing void related even hates or is afraid of the operator like ballas or helminth

[nova harness]

Unless Mara means Demon

[frail flame]

Mara has many meanings, it is directly tied to buddhism and is a real word, not void tongue
Mara means demon

[hearty pendant]

unless mara means demon
which it could, or it could mean child, which is the other leading theory

[nova harness]

Wally probably doesn’t call us demon because saying demon kinda outs himself as the “devil”

[zenith jacinth]

Real mara. Not voidtongue mara.

[frail flame]

And it coming from that man in the wall is not hatred, it seems more like it's goading us wit the name

[zenith jacinth]

Languages can have overlapping words with different meanings, even if one is fictional

[hearty pendant]

mara detron:

[nova harness]

DE really like the word Mara

[frail flame]

Yes, Im not denying that, but in the context of what everyone calls us, the word devil and demon appear more frequently. This is why in this case, i believe they are actually calling us demon.

[hearty pendant]

lotus also calls us mara at one point iirc
n she definitely has no reason to call us demon

[nova harness]

Margulis calls us Angel

[zenith jacinth]

Devil and demon are only used by helminth and ballas, who both have a fairly negative opinion on the tenno, unlike wally

[nova harness]

Wally calling us a demon would be hypocritical tbh

[real niche]

I'm very certain she has not called us Mara