spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

Actually it does relate to him
It somewhat looks like him and was likely made to tease him to some extent

[tight pagoda]

With a couple plot threads after that

[balmy storm]

Tau
Parvos
Worm Queen
Unum
Literally anything else with the Infested or the void

[hearty pendant]

i can see the sentient resemblance, yeah
but why spoil a big character name via a cosmetic mask?

[tight pagoda]

Yeah the hunhow mask feels intentional, doesn't the description mention him too?

[balmy storm]

Funni

[hearty pendant]

you know what?
fair

[balmy storm]

Knowing DE? I can see that being the answer

[tight pagoda]

Nope literally just says it's "a mask attachment for your sentinel pet"

[thick jolt]

In theory it could work if someone stumbled upon records of the old war i suppose
Not like the old war was a tiny little known event

[balmy storm]

Interestingly the sentinels seem to be derived from the sentients according to their singular piece of lore

[tight pagoda]

Also it kinda looks like a dragon

More than a face

[balmy storm]

I imagine them like
Infested with dog level intelligence and loyalty

They just want to help :)

[thick jolt]

I think that entry says they are suspiciously similar but too helpfull to ignore

[balmy storm]

Yeah, they’re just sentient puppies :)

[hearty pendant]

sentinels don't need a lore update
but i also wouldn't mind one lol

[wild wind]

So like a... infested kubrow of some kind? Man it would be cool to have one of those

[balmy storm]

Speaking of
We’re overdue for new companions

[tight pagoda]

That explains why my sentinel is obsessed with Tau and asks me to bite its head clean off, that's where the good meat is

[wild wind]

(this is your reminder that Helminth chargers can't equip kubrow mods)

[balmy storm]

Aarg I meant sentient not infested
I’m
So tired

[wild wind]

hahahahaha

[balmy storm]

So many factions in my tired brain!

[tight pagoda]

Bird companions alongside a Falconer Warframe

[wild wind]

Dante already summons the Duviri birds

[balmy storm]

If you want birds play Soulframe

[hearty pendant]

oo i hadn't even considered an associated frame
but they did mention bird companions on a devshort
which, yk, usual devshort disclaimer
but they know about it

[thick jolt]

On the border of chartered space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilization. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in peculiar alliance with the Tenno.

[balmy storm]

But also Falconeer warframe was a concept the community could have voted on, that and calligrapher and broken
So glad we got broken
Dante is arguably calligrapher
Where’s our dedicated birdframe?

[balmy storm]

Sentient puppies!

[tight pagoda]

Zephyr 😭

[balmy storm]

Nah

[wild wind]

Zephyr will be a bird when she can fly properly

Until then she's a dragoon

[balmy storm]

Zephyr is bird theme not bird friend

[thick jolt]

Yeah dantes animations do have him writing with his finger quills

[balmy storm]

Unless I can attach a zephyr to my arm and send her out…

[hearty pendant]

is zephyr supposed to be a specific bird? ik garuda is based around a shrike

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dragoon-beloved-kain-ff4-gif-9820975384850053770

[balmy storm]

I blew Gray’s mind with that info

[balmy storm]

Idk but she has a hummingbird-like helmet iirc

Or maybe its a butterfly for some reason idk

[wild wind]

One of Zephyr's helmets references tengu

[balmy storm]

I can’t watch this rn but

https://youtu.be/7qhHkqIeUYU?si=qE96a2_GYrYXWlBX

[wild wind]

Oh whoop well I just checked the wiki

Tengu was her development name

They changed it before she released

[thick jolt]

She does have a tengu helmet

[wild wind]

So, her major inspiration is the Japanese long-nosed warrior bird demons

[wild wind]

Yeah the named the helmet in tribute to her original name

[thick jolt]

Speaking of helmets i was reminiscing the other day about the community making DE swap chroma's default and alt helmets

Those were some fun weeks

[wild wind]

I still don't like default Chroma's helmet

[thick jolt]

Imagine chroma prime if pompadour had remained the default helmet

[wild wind]

Luckily they nailed Chroma Prime

[rain otter]

Now they just need to give his 4 real abilities.

Ba-bam

[wild wind]

lolol

[rain otter]

Chroma is one of rhe warframes that really badly needs a rework.

Down there with like Oberon and Limbo.

and nekroz and vauban

[wild wind]

IMO he's in an okay place now

what no Vauban's Octavia tier

[hearty pendant]

trying to level chroma rn and it kinda sucks
don't know if i'm just not using his kit right or what

[rain otter]

Ehhhh he's so boring and bad. Like he has a single good ability. (Chroma)

[rain otter]

He has a ability.

[wild wind]

You play Chroma by picking an element you like and making his energy color that element

Then you overwrite his 1

I use Jade's Helminth but it's up to you

[hearty pendant]

tbf that already sounds better than what i was doing so i'll try it lol

[wild wind]

Get the Arcane Battery arcane, and Chroma's Guardian Armor augment

Guardian Armor extends Vex's duration every time your squadmates get a kill and heals you, at the cost of taking half of allies damage

That last bit sounds bad but it actually is really cool since it procs arcane avenger and gives you damage that Archon Intensify can heal

[rain otter]

But like

I could play a good or interesting warframe?

[hearty pendant]

chroma being introduced by lotus as one of the most powerful frames and then feeling awful to use is very funny, however,

[wild wind]

peak isn't for the masses

But seriously DE spent years nerfing Chroma directly and indirectly

I hope Tactical Potato is right and they're considering buffs

[rain otter]

just fully rework him

[cosmic prawn]

the concept art in question from 2019. Cyte-09 was also shown at the same time as Frumentarius

[obtuse gyro]

Wasnt cyte frumentarius

[zenith jacinth]

And there's the problem

Helminth should be optional

[real niche]

His 1 is such a bad ability

[cosmic prawn]

Yes, my comment should be read as 'Cyte as Frumentarius'. I can see how it was confusing though.

[sacred mortar]

what is an octavia tier

[zenith jacinth]

The tier of the octavia warframe. Basically, remember to cast your abilities and you can almost afk

[solemn prism]

Truly, his abilities have good potential tbh

[gentle cape]

...after fixing their relationship,, what does minerva mean by "that old, big glacier ground me down." when velimir asked "what did a bum like me do to get with a queen?" or smth like that...??

i cant remember the romantic mall line 1-to-1... but a lot of things they say just make go. ?????????????

[wild wind]

lol Minerva's talking about her attitude

It's funny because Velimir is a Frost proto

People talk about having walls up, well Minerva had a glacier

She made a dad joke

[rain otter]

Their a old couple

[gentle cape]

OOOOOOOH oh ok ok,,, so basically shes saying she got tired of it

[wild wind]

Nah more like he was persistent in not giving up their relationship

[gentle cape]

🥺❤

my shaylas.........

[wicked iron]

I think the implication is that Velimir was the glacier that ground down her defenses by being persistent. At least, if that "glacier ground me down" line is exactly what she says.

[quiet willow]

If the backroom is in the mall... I think... How come I can see the mall in the skybox through the Windows

[rain otter]

Can you?

[quiet willow]

Yeah, you can see the mall when in the backroom.

[wicked iron]

Could be a small spot without another floor above it, and windows that let you see some of the outside of the rest of the mall.

[balmy storm]

We don’t really know how big the mall is in it’s entirety

We’ve only seen it once from the outside and that was in the teaser for the new protos

[wild wind]

cough it's actually not

[quiet willow]

So what's that big building in the skybox?

[wild wind]

Entrati built a void tunnel between the mall and one of his warehouse saferooms

[quiet willow]

So that door we enter is just a portal to somewhere else

[wild wind]

Yep

That's why there's all those void runes

[night grail]

We do have the Void Angels. Whose one of the main points is that they had lost their humanity. The opposite of the Tenno in that sense?

Nothing really backing that up, it's just interesting

Id argue jeliira is more specifically "my heart"

I did not realize thay was 4 AM

Theres another word, belia which is "your counterpart" which looks strikingly similar to jeliira

So i think be is second person while je is first person and li is just a possessive article

[tight pagoda]

Good catch

I hope voidtongue gets expanded on

[night grail]

It did in January so it likely will again

Insane lore drop though "yeah we released the whispers OST officially and btw we put the translations on bandcamp"

[tight pagoda]

I'd love if we got the Lotus Eaters translated too but I guess they don't want to tell us what Mara means

[night grail]

There is also githli which is translated to "Welcome" but I can very easily see it as "our welcome/greetings"

[night grail]

Not yet

Eventually but not yet

[balmy storm]

Aren’t they just called the angels because of their like
Appearance? Like they have “wings” and “feathers” and such and were human but are beyond that

[night grail]

That too

[balmy storm]

Like we are both demons and children, depending on who you ask
But Mara is used by more than just Wally, by the Lotus in her song and by the Cavia and I see no reason why either would call us demon

Only reason I can see why the infested, or specifically helminth calls us that is because we hold a piece of Wally, we are void saturated with a being they do not like
And yet the Helminth loves us

Ballas used it as an insult
Helminth uses it as a name based on what we are
And that’s kinda it

We are Children of the Void, not demons, not devils, traumatized humans from a void-born disaster given a piece of a possible void-based god. Saturated by his gift.

[tight pagoda]

Ballas calls us demons because he hates kids (because Margulis loved us more), the infestation calls us demons because it fears what we are

[balmy storm]

Exactly!

[quiet willow]

Welp uh.. That's another bug I found :)

For some reason the wireframe ephemera breaks my entire game

[balmy storm]

How so?

[quiet willow]

It's even worse now.

[vivid musk]

So I just found out that you can't use your fishing pole or plasma drill while riding on your k drive anymore. 😒 This use to be helpful for hard to reach places to catch fish and get gems from a caves.

[balmy storm]

I think the devs talked about it here
So
They’re aware and it’ll be fixed
Just don’t use it for now

#game-updates message

[night grail]

Do you have a screenshot

I do not see it

[quiet willow]

I don't as of right now

[balmy storm]

How do you know that’s the mall?

We only see the outside like once iirc?

[night grail]

They might be seeing the stadium

Thats the only marked building i see in the backroom windows

[frozen knoll]

soooooooo, on what day can i get a proto Ivara?

[balmy storm]

Unknown

[rain otter]

Oh that's what DEs patchnotes are about. Are you OK a I-PC or something?

[balmy storm]

Unknown if they’re even gonna do more protos at this time

[frozen knoll]

:c ducky, tell me a lie better, lol, i wanna get my white sexy protoivara

[balmy storm]

I think they may if they have a cool idea but they aren’t doing anymore 1999 at this time

[balmy storm]

your what

[frozen knoll]

my White and sexy proto ivara

[night grail]

More protoframes is not a "never" but is is most certainly a "not right now"

[balmy storm]

Define white

[frozen knoll]

i use a white colores on the ibara, i pass u the fashion frame if u want

ivara*

[balmy storm]

Ah

Well
It’s unknown when or if they’ll do more protos at this time

No 1999 for the time being which means no protos since the protos are tied to 1999

tbh 1/6th of all warframes have a proto
It makes sense they want to take a break, the time and effort that goes into them is more than your average skin

[night grail]

10 protoframes doesn't sound like a lot but when it's put as 1/6th it's crazy

[balmy storm]

Yeah lol

[rain otter]

Why is white here the word?

[frozen knoll]

and... i hv a bg question, wf 1999 and the next? wf 2020? or something like this?damm sounds good, and the covid people r the new infesteds xd

[balmy storm]

What

[rain otter]

No.

[frozen knoll]

dont make me this question bro, u know how is spain, here u can say the N word without problems

[balmy storm]

Whatever is next for mainline quests is likely continuing the void war or prepping for what’s next

[frozen knoll]

and be racist on jokes without problems

[rain otter]

Werid. Thing to say.

[balmy storm]

I’m just
Gonna ignore whatever is happening there

[frozen knoll]

thnks

better

[rain otter]

Do you mean

Your ivara is currently fashioned with white color?

If so cool.

[balmy storm]

They do

[frozen knoll]

its an angel :p im based on the Biblie to make it

[balmy storm]

Anyway
Whatever’s next involves the void war, my guess is maybe something with the zariman or generally the void

[rain otter]

Cool beans.

[rain otter]

SOLAR RAIL

[balmy storm]

The next update is def about the Grineer lighting overhaul and the updated Vor fight

[rain otter]

Sure

[balmy storm]

Eeehhh, I really doubt we’re getting anything about Tau this tennocon :p

[rain otter]

I agree.

But 3rd orb fight solar rail huh?

[balmy storm]

Like at most it’s prep for whatever’s next
Which
The Zariman

Yonta knows how to get to Tau, she’s our safest bet and Rebb likes Yonta
But also 3rd orb would be nice, idk bout it relating to the solar rail but it’s not impossible

[frozen knoll]

prob, tau on 5 actualizations or 20, more probably, never

(never about 9 years)

[balmy storm]

What

[frozen knoll]

my

[balmy storm]

If Tau is on the docket then it’s within the next 3-4 years at most
Doubtful it’d be this year

[night grail]

Yeah we still have pazuul's project

[balmy storm]

It really just depends what’s happening with the void war and what’s next, but Tau is a possibility
We will follow Albrecht so we can stop Wally

I do hope Parvos may get some relevance during the void war but I’m fine with more for him being separate too tbh

[frozen knoll]

i say 5 big actualizations, or* 20 small, or 9 years max

but, 3 or 4 years? idk, but maybe

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure what 5 big actualizations or 20 small means

I also doubt Tau is 9 years out

Like if Albrecht went to Tau then we’re going there and so we must prep for Tau, so at most 3-4 years

It really just depends on what’s next

[frozen knoll]

5 big actualizations its, add aventures and 20 smalls, with that, im not sure of all but content, not a path

[prime lantern]

I feel like the next story beat is likely back to Albrechts labs to figure why he went to tau

Then figuring out how to get to tau

[balmy storm]

Ok

[prime lantern]

And then going to tau

[balmy storm]

Yonta :]

[frozen knoll]

the end of the game, my feels its: the most important, its the friends that u maked on the way, the better end for me, and the explosion of the original sistem, and x3 on duviri, i hate duviri, srry

and with the friend power, revert all, like marvel end game xd

[prime lantern]

While keeping sol intact

[zenith jacinth]

You mean updates?

[frozen knoll]

the explosion its, the power of, the man on the wall, exploding, and claiming someone to get idk for what, and u, for a skibidi lore, can talk with all npcs, giving u feels to can fight, and reverting with or own power and the power of the man . . . the origin sistem

[frozen knoll]

more or less yes

[zenith jacinth]

[balmy storm]

Ofc

[tight pagoda]

DE

GRANT ME PROTO IVARA

AND MY MONEY IS YOURS

[tight pagoda]

Ok this is concerning

[tight pagoda]

I am less concerned

Ok I read more and got more concerned

[zenith jacinth]

Only if it's that one cute fanart design

[tight pagoda]

The sole issue I can think of with Proto Ivara is that she'll spend the entire mission invisible and I won't get to see her (unless I change the setting I guess)

[balmy storm]

Share

[zenith jacinth]

Search for feralknights' messages in the fanart channel

[balmy storm]

Idk if I found it

[zenith jacinth]

Just use the search function

[balmy storm]

No I did but idk which one is the Ivara

[zenith jacinth]

°_•

[balmy storm]

I am blind help

[zenith jacinth]

Search. In:fan-art from:feralknights

The latest three arts

[balmy storm]

Scrap
I know how to search

[zenith jacinth]

Don't sound like it

[balmy storm]

I just wasn’t sure if those were Ivara lol

[zenith jacinth]

[balmy storm]

I mean one is wisp-

[zenith jacinth]

I am impressed

Usually I'm the blind one

[balmy storm]

I’m legally blind, scrap

👩‍🦯 < me fr

I’m totally the blind girl from the ghouls comic

[zenith jacinth]

Ngl if there wasn't knowledge to make glasses somehow guide eyes to stay forwards I'd prob be legally blind too

[balmy storm]

We’d be stumbling everywhere my friend

[zenith jacinth]

Idek what's wrong with my eyes but without my glasses I can't see further than like 10 cm in front of me

[balmy storm]

Well I do that anyway actually

I’m an albino but like
not the cool kind
I get all the eye problems and none of the cool white hair 😔

We should probably get back to Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

I also do that because I'm dehydrated most of the time which makes me go full jack sparrow

[balmy storm]

The next comic they do will be the 10th one! Fun fact :)

[zenith jacinth]

Oorfram

[balmy storm]

Oorfram

[zenith jacinth]

Jack sparrow hydroid

[balmy storm]

Lol

Do it

Man
Hydroid Deluxe and Sevagoth Deluxe yaoi when???

[zenith jacinth]

I now have a goal but no tools to achieve it

I lack the hydroid prime

[balmy storm]

Let my pirate boys kiss
Enemies to lovers style

[zenith jacinth]

And I've still only read one

[balmy storm]

Read more

[zenith jacinth]

I don't need to, the one comic has already granted me perfection

The fact that I've seen it get reposted by a user I don't know once means I've succeeded as a memelord

[balmy storm]

Congrats

[tight pagoda]

I think Scrap means this one

[balmy storm]

Ah!
Yeah I couldn’t find it for some reason!

Maybe search is just bugged on mobile
I love that artist though

[zenith jacinth]

I do not

Like. I even said the artist's name. That is not the artist. That is not the art.

[tight pagoda]

I didn't read

[cosmic prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/feralknights.bsky.social/post/3ln42z53jjs2p
This one I think

feral (@feralknights.bsky.social)

Rough week, but I like working on Marian stuff. To be honest, I kind of fudged up drawing the lineart last night so she's shooting leftie for this one. ;;
#Warframe #Tennocreate #Protoframe #OC #Ivara #art #fanart #WarframeFanart

Bluesky · Apr 18, 2025, 4:45 PM

[balmy storm]

Yeah I wasn’t able to find this for some reason

I love that too tho :)

[wild wind]

lmao hey @balmy storm I thought of something funny

[balmy storm]

Yeah?

[wild wind]

What happens if we let the next Razorback/Formorian raid blow up Larunda

Does everyone automatically fail Kaya's good end?

[balmy storm]

Oop

[wild wind]

As my Drifter said, FOR SCIENCE

[balmy storm]

Isn’t it
Like
Impossible?

I thought they disabled being able to fail those

[wild wind]

they almost certainly removed the relay destruction code years ago

[balmy storm]

Or maybe its just due to the amount of players it’s impossible

[wild wind]

But they've never said so

[balmy storm]

I swear I heard something about it being impossible

Maybe that was in one of coolkid’s videos idk

[wild wind]

One of my super vet friends told me that a few years back the servers crashed during one of the assaults

And despite no one being able to log on they watched the numbers tick down

[balmy storm]

Guhp

I wonder if Gray’s seen it

I’ve never even heard of this relay I swear omg

https://youtu.be/yv1UfPujTr8?si=EBjrrrzmpEGMmGty

[wild wind]

Oh I mean the numbers on the enemy's cohesion

[night grail]

Isnt leonov the Europa one

[balmy storm]

Kuiper too omg

Looks like Larunda never blew?
At least from my minimal research of youtubung “warframe relay destruction”

[night grail]

I think i miss my Vesper relay

[wild wind]

The old wiki had a list of destroyed relays

(fun fact Switch was the only console to never lose a relay)

[night grail]

I think larunda was destroyed on Playstation or something

[balmy storm]

Good job Switch users

[wild wind]

We inherited a few destroyed relays from the... Xbox version I want to say

[night grail]

New one has it under eyes of blight

[wild wind]

Nice thanks

[night grail]

I miss my Vesper relay

[balmy storm]

I can’t find any videos of Larunda blowing ):

[wild wind]

One of my friends hasn't started 1999 yet

Going to ask him to check if Kaya's there

[balmy storm]

I FOUND ONE

https://youtu.be/bqvRhnZD5QQ?si=lzJh3r1ce6B9kIcW

[wild wind]

Oh whoa

[balmy storm]

She won’t be
She disappears if you reset and does not appear til that chat with her

[wild wind]

Oh whoa

Huh! So much for bootstrapping

[night grail]

I remember this UI wow

[balmy storm]

Same

[half sandal]

yall is chains of harrow first mission is a jumpscare?

its dark no enemy and im on the objective but cant see nun

[zenith jacinth]

There are no real jumpscares in wf, but CoH is on the creepier side

[crystal agate]

there's the lizzie kim chat

[nova harness]

Hey, Kiddo for the first 5 times
Lizzie if you annoy her

[zenith jacinth]

I wouldn't count either of those as a jumpscare

Lizzie is too silly, wally is easy to miss

[balmy storm]

Wally is 10000% a jumpscare
Lizzie is just
A lame attempt at a jumpscare tbh

Which is sad tbh

But Wally is absolutely a jumpscare the amount of times he had frightened people randomly is insane
I often can’t hear kiddo without thinking of him because of how many times he’ll spook me
And even then he will just
Disappear for months then pop up to make me freak out

[half sandal]

dude its so scary i don wanna move

[gloomy ginkgo]

Whenever wally shows up I just locate him and aggressively dance 🕺 💃 🕺 💃

[night grail]

He hasn't gotten me in a good bit

Wally come home I miss you

[hearty pendant]

i await wally showing up on the chair
there's a roller floof i have placed above it waiting to hit him

[nova harness]

You really want that rent money don't you?

[zenith jacinth]

Your pfp is from BatIM and you're scared in a power fantasy game?

[half sandal]

yes

cuz i dont feel powerful enough

[zenith jacinth]

L

[half sandal]

dude i play yareli

what she gonna do

with them spagetti ahh arms

[zenith jacinth]

Yareli can pretty much go invincible

You can not get more powerful than that

[half sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-mark-grayson-nolan-grayson-gif-6480547052217762637

[tawny ermine]

Can someone catch me up on what happened to some of the relays in the Star Chart?

[half sandal]

i do wanna make yareli work

shes pretty

[zenith jacinth]

Razorback/fomorian

[tawny ermine]

Will the relays be repaired/come back anytime?

[zenith jacinth]

No

DE has just kinda abandoned that whole concept, relays can't get destroyed anymore, we don't get an event to rebuild them

[zenith jacinth]

If ye be strugglin with yareli ye be not worthy of the magical girl power

[half sandal]

noooooo

my struggle isnt with her actually its with my weapons and understanding the game itself

[tawny ermine]

oh lmao haha

[zenith jacinth]

[warm anvil]

she literally cannot die if you play her right

she can bypass a "forced nullifier" effect by going literally invincible for 4 seconds on cast of her merulina

and she has 90% DR from it

[half sandal]

i know

[warm anvil]

good good

[half sandal]

i learned meruline just to move around better unless i get the augment

[warm anvil]

loyal merulina+ strength + efficiency + augur and boom shes S tier

[warm anvil]

oh yeah she's lowkey not worth using in normal missions without the augment IMO

[half sandal]

merulina is so fast

[crystal agate]

I'd agree but with the other augment

loyal merulina is not really worth it

and merulina guardian is mutually exclusive with it

there are straight up like two dozen high DR ability with generic damage buff weapons platforms in the game so idk why people waste an augment slot just to play yareli like one of those

[warm anvil]

loyal merulina is the new one that pretty much everyone regards as a necessary mod for her..

[crystal agate]

no they don't lol

https://overframe.gg/build/451168/yareli/dreadnought-of-gloom-red-crits-casual-tank-permanent-merulina-yareli/ ooh what is this oooh

[warm anvil]

do you /have you mained yareli

[warm anvil]

so no

[crystal agate]

what number would I need to pass for you to deem it acceptable lmfao

[warm anvil]

@stable sentinel opinion on loyal merulina

[stable sentinel]

goated

[warm anvil]

also refer to past convo plez

[stable sentinel]

I don't like riding meru, so having that is basically a must for me on Yareli

Well, she's still really good without it, but I don't really see myself play Yareli without it

[nova harness]

Dryzz opinion on the mental state of this server?

[stable sentinel]

may I get a summary ?

Can't really tell where it starts cuz there's a bunch of blocked messages

[crystal agate]

like literally her invuln gate is not changed by loyal merulina

[stable sentinel]

Not doing great

[crystal agate]

there is no difference to her survivability whether you use it or not

[warm anvil]

just this basically dryzz

[stable sentinel]

yeah but you're not riding meru, which is amazing for me 🔥

[nova harness]

Why do you block so many people?

[nova harness]

Accurate

[warm anvil]

getting stuck on random things and being unable to use your helminth abilities, and being forced to use your secondary isn't exactly an amazing trade off for 90% DR. loyal merulina doesn't even make you miss out due to the used mod slot, you can build her just fine with it

[crystal agate]

skill issue idk just don't crash into things

[stable sentinel]

oh
Well, each weapon platform does something different

Yareli has the biggest dmg vuln in the game, which can cover an entire room really fast with loyal meru
And on top of that, it also works for allies
She's also fun to play overall, her 4 is a fun grouping, her 3 can be really fun to play with its augment
she also has crazy secondary buffs

Each weapon platforms, on top of doing something different, looks different, and feels different

so for loyal meru, it can spam sea snares from meru, and prevents me from having to do k drive to be unkillable, which is why I cannot play yareli without sea snares

riding meru makes you taller, which can be annoying with multiple tile sets, and the controls are just terrible to me

[stable sentinel]

cuz they annoy me
either by just always being wrong, but pretending they're right, or cuz they speak in a way I really don't like, like all the uwu things, etc

I won't say "Loyal meru is a must" in general
But for those, like me, who don't like k drives, it's reaaally good

[warm anvil]

as for the "makes you taller" point, you are hitting your head on the tops of doorways so often you have to slide to actually get under them. it gets tired quickly

[stable sentinel]

yeah that's the main thing I had in mind

[warm anvil]

having to crouch anytime you want to go into a new room isn't ideal to me ngl

[crystal agate]

then it's not ideal to you lol

but it's clearly not universal that you have to use the augment and personally I don't really get why someone would play the k-drive frame to not use the k-drive

her tankiness is nice yes but its not really unique

[warm anvil]

nobody said it was unique

she's an EXTREMELY good CC and tank frame tho

[stable sentinel]

because her k drive part is far from being her best things, objectively speaking

As I said, she got the best dmg vuln in the game, and a crazy sec buffing
she also has grouping, and her 3 with the aug offers some pretty original gameplay and management
She ofc has the invincibility + tankiness which make her amazing

And her design too, many people play a frame for its design

saying "if you don't want to play k drive you shouldn't play yareli" implies that her entire kit and her design are garbage, and she's only worth playing for her k drive

[crystal agate]

I'm stating outright that the only thing unique about her is her k-drive so if you don't want to use her k-drive I dunno what the appeal is in yareli specifically

and sure her cc and tankiness is good but I'd put it basically on par with rhino who is just way easier to get

[wicked iron]

Nothing wrong with people using the Warframes, weapons, builds, etc... that they like. 😄

[crystal agate]

anyway I'm overselling merulina guardian a bit (even though it is good) but the original guy was like "I'll learn merulina, it's fast" and then the reply was that yareli wasn't worth using without loyal merulina

which isn't true at all

it doesn't change anything about her tankiness and merulina is pretty fast in good conditions

it uses the k-drive speed afaik and thats like nearly triple a base frame speed

[sterile mesa]

Also the roll on Merulina has very high range and the jumps go exceptionally high

Also full knockdown/stagger immunity on Merulina

While Loyal Merulina removes one of those two, I can't remember if it was Stagger or Knockdown immunity

[vivid musk]

Host migration ticks me off. 🤦🏾‍♂️ Any spoilers on if that's going to be fixed soon? 😔

[zenith jacinth]

Host migration can't be fixed because there's nothing directly broken about it

It's also pretty important due to how squads work in wf

[vivid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-gif-24718162

Ok, lol

[thick jolt]

Host migration is just a side effect of the game being peer 2 peer

Cant do much about it

[nova harness]

Only way to fix it is Warframe changing to not be P2P

[brisk trail]

hi

[rain otter]

okay host migration currently is actually fine it was really bad before lmao.

so i get this thought but it is currently okay mostly.

[balmy storm]

It can be really annoying sometimes but has def gotten better

[thick jolt]

I just try my best to avoid them, always follow the host

Stalk them like the stalker stalks us

[amber terrace]

When I’m host in ESO and I have to leave because I leveled my weapon, I’ll apologize for causing a host migrate

I honestly don’t feel like it’s enough tho

[amber terrace]

Even though we’ll probably never get a Hildryn protoframe, I’m a massive simp. I F Hildryn were to get a proto, what would her role on the Hex team be? What would be the culture that most inspires her design/personality?

[balmy storm]

Defense expert maybe?
She was made to be a shield

[amber terrace]

Defense expert
Hildryn and Vauban getting into an exceptionally heated argument over how to best reinforce the mall, unless I’m misinterpreting

[balmy storm]

Lmao

Vauban and Protea wanting to lay turrets and more active defenses
While Hildryn just wants pure defense

[amber terrace]

Vauban is prepping for a proper siege, Protea’s looking for round the clock defenses, and Hildryn doesn’t care about siege warfare and just wants the mall to be exceptionally well defended

Hildryn as a defense specialist would be the middle ground between Vauban and Protea

[zenith jacinth]

What culture do you think would inspire the valkyrie shieldmaiden norse name frame

[amber terrace]

Probably somewhere near or around Sweden or Norway, by the coast, where it’s easy to send raiding ships out

[tight pagoda]

I'm a firm desirer of ProtoHildryn being a pro wrestler

[amber terrace]

I love this idea, if I may pester you, how would this background play into her interactions with the Hex?

[balmy storm]

She wants to wrestle arthur and lettie

And velimir

[amber terrace]

Hildryn would probably have a past military career focusing on heavy weaponry, but retired once her service contract was up, so she then decided to go into wrestling to cover rent and so she has an end goal for keeping her divine physique

Her KIM chat end goal is to try and make a shield generator that’s effective enough to cover the vital parts of the mall, with the help of Aoi, she figures out how to extract the Techrot bits that make them have shields and tries to expand the scale of the concept

[amber terrace]

If I may, why would Hildryn want to wrestle Lettie?

Arthur I understand because, while he tries his best to not be prejudiced, I feel like something deep inside his subconscious squirms(in a negative way) at the thought of him getting his handed to him in a fight by a woman

[tight pagoda]

Obviously a pro-Wrestler would be different from most of the other Protoframes by having no military connection, so I think she'd feel a sense of kinship with Flare and Kaya (but especially Flare due to the age being more similar and also being a victim of circumstance rather than volunteering to be turned into a Protoframe)

[steep totem]

Probably comes in part from being Eleanor's little brother

[balmy storm]

She’s strong

[echo basalt]

he's the older twin is he not?

[tight pagoda]

Nah she was born earlier

Her birthday is Nov 2, his is Nov 3

[balmy storm]

Broadsword: She was born two minutes before me at a minute to midnight, and she thinks she's a hundred years wiser. (ArthurRank4Convo2 •

[echo basalt]

ah

[balmy storm]

They totally did that cause they couldn’t have their birthday on the same day for code reasons and it just worked out story-wise

[gentle cape]

proto hildryn 🤝 proto atlas: pro wrestlers.

[undone lodge]

Proto-Grendel being a former gourmet chef who starts a cooking channel you can watch on the TV after his Rank 5 good ending

240p quality because its streamed using random scavenged electronics though

[covert tree]

Yes

[tight pagoda]

Chats with Arthur and Vel where he teaches them how to cook with Techrot

[undone lodge]

Just like how Kaya has that one really important Boolean, your conversation with him about Arthur’s spaghetti is crucial to how your relationship turns out

[undone lodge]

Teaching Lizzie cooking and helping her to come to a compromise with Flare on putting things on food

[naive cipher]

hahaha finally i manage to get daddy n mommy go to date

by i, i mean them

[gentle cape]

VEL'S LITTLE HEART AUGHNGNSNZKANDNND

theyre so sweet what the hell...

[rustic cargo]

Techrot Encore Plot summary

[brisk beacon]

is ballas supposed to talk while playing komi in duviri

[undone lodge]

Its a bug

[vague creek]

I'm a bit lost, have not done Lotus Eater and Hex but the Void creator says that we made a deal (I suposse he's refering to the Operator and it or is it the guy with the hat and the creature) but I do not remember we ever done such thing, what the hell is the creature talking about?

[obtuse gyro]

remember The New War?

[vague creek]

We liberate it yes

[obtuse gyro]

Remember the class room hand shake scene?

[vague creek]

first time they appeared as ourselves yes

need to double check what was said there

[nova harness]

I can save them all of them you just have to want it

Whispers also has
We had a deal the deal was shook and from the deal the wee child ran yet still we end as we began

[vague creek]

Yes that's the part am confused, we didnt shake on it, atleast not to my knowledge

or it was shaken but the flashback cut short?

[nova harness]

We shook the hand

We didn’t say anything verbally as DE want it to be a secret

[vague creek]

Oh I just reviewed, the moment we cross with Drifter

and went back to the original universe/time

[rustic cargo]

We don't know the terms of the deal but there are theories

[obtuse gyro]

We just dont know what we owe, but we know what we got

[vague creek]

Well we broke the deal at the end of Whispers no? So we should get penalized

[nova harness]

We don’t even know how we did that as we don’t know what the full deal is we will definitely learn it eventually

[weak wyvern]

||So I did the silly thing of resetting my KIM cause I wanted to see ALL the dialogue options….but in doing so I ruined The frosty nettle marriage and got to feel like a dirtbag knowing we can NEVER get a polycule with the Hex. Just Amir’s reaction and replies made me feel like the worst person knowing he loves his found family and put a bullet in me for breaking g their hearts. So now when round 3 comes around I’m gonna save mom and dad’s marriage at the cost of my own||

[rustic cargo]

|| Yeah you definitely gotta get em back together ||

[weak wyvern]

@rustic cargo did not want to write this again thanks to adhd and poor WiFi

[rustic cargo]

|| Who knew that the space ninja game would turn out this way, truly good stuff ||

[vague creek]

Thank you for the clarifications guys

[steady stag]

Kaya is in Mercury relay, right?

Baro's gonna go there tomorrow, right?

I... feel embarrased of what she's gonna see

[night grail]

"How do they keep changing the statu-"

[zenith jacinth]

And then the statue changes to a kaya gemini user and she's just like

[sand idol]

I dont know where to ask, but what do I need to have to put emerald, topaz or violet archon shards on my warframe?

[steep totem]

Helminth Coalescence segment, purchased from the Cavia

[sand idol]

Ty

[forest dune]

Spoiler alert!
Big DAMAGE🤓

[gentle cape]

except the consensus ive seen on sites is to break them up instead... "hes not good for her!!" "theyre toxic to each other!!!" etc etc.

(& when i say sites i mean just tumblr bc its the only one ive an account on.)

theyre really sweet,, in a tooth rottingly way... its actually upsetting for me that ppl dont realize that just bc they dont wanna sit down & analyze minerva's + velimir's respective characters...

[rustic cargo]

Not many people have the patience to forge a good relationship

[wild wind]

People don't believe that relationships should take work.

It's just emotional laziness on their part.

[scarlet burrow]

Can Jade's belly be toggled off in the appearance menu?

[gentle cape]

nope

she was made into a frame while pregnant so.

[rain otter]

there is a unique new years kiss for being best friends with everyone. but you don't have to break up with people to get them together but i am glad for the therapy. also warframe has poly couple in lore i guess all the hex are just monogamous.

[steep totem]

That particular couple is not a great example tbh

[rain otter]

@gentle cape @scarlet burrow Jade didn't just get turned while pregant ballas also had her keep it as a fram as part of this werid punishment and it's the fetus wouldn't respond unless she stayed still for days years even.

[weak wyvern]

It’s not like that’s a bad thing either! It just means they wrote up believable good characters that act human when it involves their friends and family

[rain otter]

okay but the reason they are evil has nothing to do with them being poly. like their relationship they actually loved dagath just in very toxic way and too much even.

But the type of relationship isn't like what is pointed out as bad.

[weak wyvern]

Honestly I saw it as usual Orokin bs and how you gotta be broken to even ruin a relationship

[wild wind]

the actual issue is that Dagath was never an equal partner in the relationship

If Dagath hadn't wanted to be in the relationship literally nothing would have changed

OROKIN

[rain otter]

but yeah the point is

[wild wind]

right non-judgmental poly relationship

[rain otter]

the only problem is that they are evil

not that they are a bi poly couple lmao.

you can not fix them chat.

[wild wind]

True actually, a lot of times the poly relationship would be further evidence of their evil.

[weak wyvern]

Power imbalances/abuse is a repeated theme when it comes to the Orokin. I mean even Margulis ghost can’t get any rest from her abuser cause he just imprints it on Natah. Like my god, I never had such rage like that over a video game until mouthwashing

[rain otter]

Yeah also nothing is Ballas fault

It's everyone else's fault always.

[mental vortex]

Is this the lore chat?

[weak wyvern]

more like in-depth spoilers for certain things

[balmy storm]

#lore-discussion

[amber terrace]

#lore-discussion is good if you’re not completely caught up with current update content

[balmy storm]

Beware of spoilers in both

[amber terrace]

#spoiler-chat is like the salty spittoon and #lore-discussion is like weenie hut juniors 😈

[balmy storm]

It’s the other way around

[gentle cape]

yeah..................... having his soul sucked out of his body wasnt enough he shouldve been punted into the sun!!!!

[amber terrace]

I mean, I think that the sun’s gravity might have sucked in Praghasa, and subsequently Ballas’ body?

[gentle cape]

tnw was just us playing jimmy ballas...

(i think his name was jimmy??)

[weak wyvern]

Jimbolaya?

[warm anvil]

where in the world are you getting jimmy from

[night grail]

Yeah who the hell is Jimmy 😭

[gentle cape]

i cant remember his name 😭😭

its not curly bc thats the captain......

[warm anvil]

are you even talking about warframe 😭

[rain otter]

It is jimmy

[rain otter]

They where talking about mouth washing.

[warm anvil]

oh ok

every chat is talking about every game other than warframe 😭

[night grail]

Id love to go back into the Unum

That sounds wrong

[lofty girder]

can we ask the unum to turn fortuna blue again

[rain otter]

do you have any questions?

[rain otter]

no.

[lofty girder]

but i want blue fortuna

[zenith jacinth]

I want green fortuna

Can we put jade motes in the power supply to turn the lights green

[tight pagoda]

RGB fortuna that changes color

Make it a rave

We All Live Together techno remix

[zenith jacinth]

A crab rave

Squish the orb spiders and they look like crabs

[warm anvil]

no im not interested in the mouthwashing game

[rain otter]

i meant ABOUT WARFRAME

lmao

[warm anvil]

i do not

[rain otter]

alright.

are you sure? this is the spoiler chat.

we can talk about funny spoilers. Like how Kullervo is gay or something.

Like how the Unum and Gara where gay.

how Dagath was poly.

Ticker is trans.

Albretch and Loid are gay obvs.

[warm anvil]

first 2 never heard before, last 2 i know are true

[rain otter]

I said 3

but do you mean kullervo and Unum and gara?

[warm anvil]

wait u said 5 mb

[rain otter]

yeah i meant 5 lmao.

[warm anvil]

yeah last 2 i know, all the others idk if ur lying or not

[rain otter]

I have the screenshots and lore for all of them that prove it if you want.

Dagath you can listen to her lore in her hollow

she was in a relationship with a orokin couple.

they loved her so much they didn't want her to love anything else

and she loved her horse the couple got for her and they where so jelous they tried to kill her horse but accidently killed her then she was turned into a warframe and they hated how she was stuck in a permanent smile and that's why she no face cuz they used a drill on her face.

dagath then still kept walking and killed the couple.

@warm anvil if you have a Dojo you can have grandma tell you that story right now in dagaths hollow.

[tight pagoda]

It's debated whether it was consensual or not but it was definitely abusive

[rain otter]

no it was

it was seemingl both ways but the couple was controlling and toxic.

but them being evil wasn't cuz they where poly.

anyway

"You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favor was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood - before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer." "As the Empire burned, you found the one Executor you coveted and despised most." @warm anvil From Kullervos crimes he wanted Ballas to love him and he did so by killing a enemy of him but Ballas was like "YOU DIDN'T ASK FIRST" and was a jerk.

we support gay rights and gay wrongs here.

"The Tower of the Unum. The Tenno scattered, but one remained. Gara. She and the Unum - inseparable."". It was during the day that Gara roamed, yearning to strike it from Creation while it cowered, weakened and blind, to safeguard her beloved Unum" ". Gara yearned to strike out, to lash and tear at the monstrosity that threatened her love, but the Unum forbade it. " It is said that she was Unum's closest companion, and that when the Lotus instructed her children to flee Gara remained, refusing to leave the side of the one she loved best." @warm anvil Here are all the refrences to gara and the unum loving each other in the Glass Shard Fragments you get from Saya's Vigil quest.

[rain otter]

See i have my Receipts. smile.

[balmy storm]

None of those are lies

I have never known Vinny to be a liar
Especially about this

[warm anvil]

yeah i didnt know ab them

[balmy storm]

And now you do :D

[zenith jacinth]

The only lore educated liar is me, and that's just because I'm a sarcastic prick sometimes

[amber terrace]

Am I unfunny for thinking the Le Poisson Steve instagram trend would be funny if someone were to do it with Fish-Oh-Na-Chee?

https://tenor.com/view/steve-steve-le-poisson-poisson-orange-le-poisson-gif-3465189812343830615

[balmy storm]

I would love that omg

[woeful steeple]

man i really want to like the calendar stuff in 1999 but holy crap its so damn buggy

kill 75 scaldra troops with melee weapons, get 300 melee only kills and number doesnt even go up

[balmy storm]

Weird, I haven’t been having issues
What melee are you using?
Are you in squads or solo?
What frame are you using?

[rain otter]

you are killing scaldra right>

[woeful steeple]

yes
@balmy storm was running my melee nova build and going off melee kills in the score screen

[balmy storm]

Odd

[amber terrace]

Is the final blow with melee or ability?

Is the math on screen purple?

[woeful steeple]

i assume so since all the damage riders come from my melee weapon only, and honestly its hard to see anything on my screen with this build i get every colour

[amber terrace]

I don’t know how nova works but I’m gonna yap and propose a different Warframe, preferably a weapons platform/someone who can take a hit and just spam melee button

[woeful steeple]

yeah i just ended up swapping to my chroma and getting it with my glaive

[brisk beacon]

I never thought about it like that, that's interesting! I always thought it was Kullervo trying to be promoted or more valued but that makes sense too

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[rain otter]

It is the thinnest one out of the like 5 I will admit.

[open mortar]

ok does anybody have high quality cool pictures of umbra
i wanna use them for my pfp

also maybe for background of my pc

[rain otter]

@open mortar ?

does this count? @open mortar

[open mortar]

this is cool too
i could use these ones for wallpaper

but for pfp might need a bit on middle of the pic

[rain otter]

i was just finding teasers and stuff for the sacrifice update.

[open mortar]

would love if had more

ok just tried them out but seems low quality for wallpaper

can u link me to source

[rain otter]

i could get a higher quality one of both.

if you want one sec

[open mortar]

that also works

[rain otter]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Sacrifice#/media/File:HeaderBG.jpg

here is the actual image.

this should be better. @open mortar

anyway

back to spoilers.

[gentle cape]

kim chat resets today or...??

[nova harness]

Why would they reset on a Friday?

[gentle cape]

im just asking bc idk when does it reset...

[nova harness]

Every 4 weeks

[cosmic prawn]

You can see the countdown on the calendar on the POM PC.

[zenith jacinth]

Purple...?

[cyan crow]

If I reset my Kim chats does it also reset the new hex members?

[nova harness]

Yes

[gentle cape]

i wish it didnt..........

sorry to quincy but. (squeezes the resident viral status parents) i need them to be together.

[amber terrace]

Ability damage shows up on screen as purple

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

Ability damage is blue...

[balmy storm]

Isn’t shields blue?

[zenith jacinth]

I've never seen purple damage numbers

[blazing coral]

dm

[nova harness]

Isn't purple overshield damage?

[obtuse gyro]

Me me I have

Yea purple is ability damage

You can see it most clearly with gyre for some reason

[weak wyvern]

Hey I’m not alone in these thoughts! (But yeah imma do my baby Quincy so wrong this round.)

[gentle cape]

they wont leave my mind. theyre haunting me. (/pos) i'll definitely mess up quincy's romance bc im bad at memorizing things 😭😭

[craggy solstice]

Overshield damage.

[undone lodge]

You can use the Kimulacrum flowcharts if you’re worried

Alternatively could take screenshots of important moments in chats to repeat later

[amber terrace]

When’s the new Nightwave? Something like late May yeah?

[craggy solstice]

https://www.warframe.com/news/nightwave-noras-mix-vol-9-arrives-may-21

[jade knot]

i just finished up flares story and honestly for some reason it get's to me emotionally, the inbox message really get's to me aswell

i'm posting it here cuz uh spoiler for flare i guess

[wicked iron]

Since Duviri won the return poll.... I want to go to Duviri as Operator. 😮 Just savage everything with your Amp. XD

[wicked iron]

I just hope we find out the exact timing on all that, since we now know it has been established in-universe, by Kaya at least, how much time has passed.

[amber terrace]

Where would be a good idea to bounce fashion frame ideas relating to the tennogen skin coming soon ish

This one

[eager dagger]

Is this coming in a tennogen wave?

[amber terrace]

Yeah

[eager dagger]

Got a friend who's chomping at the bit for any new hildryn cosmetics

Kewl

[manic lichen]

Allot of people didn't catch this

But id like to ask, is the Scarlet Spear Relay there cause they are devs and it just sits there or are they possibly planning on having the Scarlet Spear Event return?

[balmy storm]

I DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE THAT OMG

I was talking about wanting that to come back the other day!
Here’s to hoping!

[manic lichen]

Let's hope, there is some stuff id get my hands on, but seeing that they have a event coming on may 2nd, may not be for some time

[balmy storm]

Fine by me
I got a big surgery coming up

And this new event seems lax enough so I should be fine

Reward-wise

[manic lichen]

Beat of luck to you and your surgery Tenno 🫡

[balmy storm]

Thank you

[gritty marlin]

Hot take: I HATE Velimir and Minerva.

They're some of the most irritating kinds of people to talk to for me. The open aggression that feeds into all possible conversations that you already don't know how to respond to IRL when it seeps out into when you engage with these sorts of individuals.

My inability to respond to that open aggression ended up with me FAILING their KIM conversations.

[night grail]

Yeah but consider the following: velimir is a little silly

[gritty marlin]

Didn't help.

And I shouldn't have to reset all my relationships with all characters to fix ONE.

[wild wind]

I literally never had them get aggressive with each other in KIM chat

not even once

[cursive merlin]

Haven't had any problems with velimir and Minerva. Flare on the other hand, buddy was straight up annoying for like 3 days straight so I didn't pursue that Convo (I prolly should tho since I want the shawzin)

[gritty marlin]

Don't be mean to Lizzie, OR Flare.

That's it. That's how you get it.

[night grail]

/Lotus/Language/Duviri/DuviriMurmurName my BELOVED

[gritty marlin]

You gotta make them actually accept each other.

[cursive merlin]

They were literally toxic right off the get go, I will not be talking to them until I get desperate for the shawzin

[wild wind]

I found Kaya actually annoying because she wouldn't actually talk to me for a week straight, but that's the whole point and I understood that

[hearty pendant]

ik that the in-code names shouldn't be taken as fact-
inaros is "sandman" apparently
but duviri murmur,,,

[gritty marlin]

Trust issues. He is technically in an abusive relationship in the beginning.

[wild wind]

Also Vel and Minerva are the ones with the mystery boolean we don't understand

the only one that might actually be plot relevant

[gritty marlin]

Oh uh.
Quick little sidenote: DO NOT TELL LIZZIE YOU HATE THE INFESTED.
YOU WILL START AN UNNECESSARILY TREND OF NEEDING TO WALK ON EGGSHELLS.

[wild wind]

haha

[gritty marlin]

You'll also get the piss scared out of you.

[wild wind]

kinda wish I got that chain

[rain otter]

no whimsy

no wanting to be funny and silly

[wild wind]

I heard about it and kept looking forward to it

but only serious all the time

[night grail]

Yeah but, we are going to duviri again thats the thing. Murmur enemy under the duviri filepath? Brand new

[rain otter]

yeah she's literally helminth.

[hearty pendant]

i had more trouble with the original hex than i did with the new three
understand and upfront with kaya
compromise with the other two-
three? four?

[night grail]

Actually we also have another boolean with flare we never see used

[rain otter]

Korbin

[wild wind]

Not specifically her, she's part of the hivemind and the point she's making is that every part of the hivemind is connected

[rain otter]

she's helminth cuz she's from Flare.

Flare is helmintized.

[wild wind]

Right but your Mag and your Sevagoth aren't mentally connected like that

[night grail]

One of their bandmates yeah, but it gets flagged and there's nothing that uses it

[wild wind]

Lizzie IS part of the hivemind

[rain otter]

in the way that the helminth is part of the infested hive mind

[wild wind]

not even Flare's song? hmmm

[rain otter]

so like not really controlled by it at all.

[hearty pendant]

that's what i was going to point to as well
there's a whole mess of booleans there

[wild wind]

that's the crazy part, it IS part of the hivemind, but the Helminth strain doesn't try and spread

[hearty pendant]

sure enough
sets but no references

[wild wind]

three ways for it to flip on, but never used

how odd

I'm guessing that's when you tell Flare to trust you because you won't let them be hurt?

[gritty marlin]

Is it possible for the Protoframes to maybe show up in Duviri?

For this next update?

[wild wind]

as characters? Unlikely

[gritty marlin]

I mean it is REALLY leaning into the fact that we're gonna go into Duviri to deal with the Man in the Wall.

[wild wind]

but never say never, DE likes the protoframes and they sell well

[gritty marlin]

(I STILL NEED NOVA PRIME AND KAYA DAMN IT ALL--)

[rain otter]

idk what will be in the next update

[night grail]

Yeah I wouldn't think they'd show up

[rain otter]

i think we will get 2 teasers at pax.

[night grail]

I mean possible, but idk about plausible

[gritty marlin]

Let this speak plenty of volumes.

[rain otter]

okay ehhhhh. I get it but ehhhhh they release things in different orders than we think they will or should.

so like SHRUG.

[wild wind]

I'll admit I was expecting a slightly bigger update featuring the Grineer

because of the Vor rework and the new Grineer weapons

[rain otter]

i think Vor will be rolled into like the duviri update or the other one.

we are getting what 3 more frames this year or something DE said.

[wild wind]

but we're due for a new Warframe in like two months

right

[rain otter]

it's REAL WACKY SHOW WHERE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEn

[wild wind]

I'm just excited for more Duviri

Lost islands! Murmur!

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

I'm ready to BEGIN AGAIN

[hearty pendant]

wonder if there will be a new duviri spiral where the murmur is invading or something

or if they're going to just.. exist

[night grail]

"Thrax, I've come to bargain"

[wild wind]

that'd be crazy but the time lapse would start to push

[rain otter]

we already bargained with him.

we could have controlled duviri but we didn't.

[wild wind]

That's wasn't a bargain we dictated terms lol

[rain otter]

sure.

lmao. I think we will talk with thrax cuz he need to work with us against Wally.

[wild wind]

but maybe you can trigger a Murmur invasion of the Undercroft or something??

[gritty marlin]

We crashed into his throne and said "F**k you and your face."
That's not a bargain 😂

[rain otter]

cuz like Duviri is actually a hold out against Wally.

[wild wind]

yeah

[rain otter]

a Void bastion if you will.

[night grail]

"The time would come, the stranger said, when Duviri would be needed."

[wild wind]

I want to see the Vagrant do more stuff

messed up Wally stuff

[hearty pendant]

hm
drifter goes to 1999, and their previous "home" is (probably) attacked by murmur

[night grail]

Maybe it's the Indifference wanting the drifter to fall back into despair again?

Because it took them back to the zariman and forced them to watch the deaths of the hex. Now it might be going after the closest thing they had to a home before that

[wild wind]

Wally technically is learning and growing all the time just like we are

The Murmur were present in the labs but couldn't cause the breaches that we see into the void plains until Ballas tried to jump to Tau

The Murmur reached 1999 during the reactor meltdown

[night grail]

Someone earlier was trying to argue against that 😭

[hearty pendant]

ig if they got to 1999, traversing void to get to duviri isn't a big jump

[wild wind]

wh--you fight a bunch of the hands???

[night grail]

Literally

They also said the Murmur in duviri was "stupid"

[wild wind]

time doesn't exist in the void, past and present is pretty much the same

Which opens up some REAL fun like DE making us replay old quests with the Murmur involved

[nova harness]

Drifter aged in Duviri

[hearty pendant]

lmao what if we bootstrap ourselves and we moved the frame in second dream /s

[wild wind]

But only as much as they felt

Instead of as much as they should have

[night grail]

interstellar

[hearty pendant]

that would be cool though, i feel like it would have to be done really well to not mess it up

[wild wind]

Also they'd have to pick the right quest

Limbo theorem

I'd probably jump out my window

[hearty pendant]

yeah

hidden messages

[wild wind]

lord almighty

Natah could be cool actually

[hearty pendant]

possibly
could also be a way to rework some earlier quests to make more sense and/or be more interesting gameplay-wise

[wild wind]

hmm actually

Once Awake?

We could actually try tracking down Doctor Tengus at the same time

[hearty pendant]

ooo

is tengus even mentioned after that at all, actually?

[wild wind]

yes in one place

Howl of the Kubrow

Frohd Bek gets mad that Tengus can't grow a proper Kubrow

[night grail]

Vor's Prize

[hearty pendant]

ah
unlocked at the same time tho i think
so more alad v shenanigans

[wild wind]

That's before Once Awake, no?

but yeah what a crazy idea

Hex/Hex Finale kinda play with it

[tight pagoda]

DE: backspacing on their writing because you just predicted it

Anyways with the next night wave being space/stellar/star themed, and the Tennocon Syandana being all rifty and flowy, I wonder if that's all connected

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-connected-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-everything-is-related-everything-is-linked-gif-20161060

[weak wyvern]

Where’s the link for this? My adhd kicks in at THE worst times

[gentle cape]

tbh?? i feel like they embody what 1999 is all about the best: empathy & understanding from drifter. theyre openly aggressive towards each other for valid reasons but once you get past that, you begin to realize why they stayed together in the first place...

[manic lichen]

I had the same thought where the new update is likely Wally seeing the drifter as a threat, especially after what happened during 1999, so now the murmur are invading Duviri (his imaginary home universe)

But either way im hyped for whatever it is.

[balmy storm]

Wally was already invading Duviri, this time he may actually breach it or the undercroft

We don’t see it in-game but the reason so many islands were sent off into the void by Thrax was because Albrecht warned him about Wally and a lot of those islands had threats from Wally

[manic lichen]

We'll see in 14 days. It also may be a distraction for us to think its for duviri. But for lore, we now have pilots for the titans after 1999 and we finished the Kalymos Sequence, now we need to smack the indifference around a bit, then maybe once he is weaker we can finally visit Tau without him interfering like last time

[balmy storm]

Problem being we don’t have a reason to go to Tau other than Albrecht going there, which he’d be going there for stopping Wally presumably since that’s like. His whole goal

Albrecht did say Duviri would he important too so it’d make sense it’d be part of this arc beyond Drifter

We will def use the Vessels at some point tho

They’re just big warframes and I’m sure they have some fun ideas

Maybe fully customizable/modular giant warframes?

[rustic cargo]

Unique Warframe Gundam Mechs to fight the giant Tau

[obtuse gyro]

Pilots for the titans? We've had that since whispers (we are the pilot)

[balmy storm]

Wait yeah I missed that lol

[manic lichen]

Yea but for some reason we need more? That's why Entrati infected random people in 1999

[balmy storm]

The Vessels were made for us
They’re just big warframes made from the Helminth, Grey Strain and the Protoframes
Meaning they’re Warframes that are Big and connected to the Protos

[manic lichen]

I want cosmic attack on titan type battles

[balmy storm]

I mean he didn’t just infect random people, for a majority of them he had clear intent and chose which infusion they got
Even gave some of them a choice

Kaya is the only one who sought him out

Like he chose Temple’s original design for Flare
He told Velimir and Minerva what would happen to them
He clearly chose Cyte-09 for Quincy

[manic lichen]

True

We'll see soon tho!

My only question is how big is this next update going to be

[balmy storm]

I mean the next one won’t be too big

[manic lichen]

And why this is being shown during a PAX thing and not Tennocon itself

[balmy storm]

But for what they’ll show at Pax?
Probably bigger
Then noses down for Tennocon which will be bigger

[balmy storm]

They’re still gonna show stuff at tennocon lol

[graceful zodiac]

Pax is just next mainline stuff. TennoCon is next big story arc stuff

[manic lichen]

They gonna show us the next 2 updates like last year lol

[balmy storm]

Next update is probably just the grineer lighting tweaks, the vor fight rework and the new goofy event

And all the qol ofc

[graceful zodiac]

Doesn't matter till after Con anyways

[balmy storm]

I’m glad we aren’t getting anything too major so soon since I’ll be mostly out of commission for a bit
Thankfully Warframe doesn’t give fomo like some other games

[rustic cargo]

I'm praying Kuva Lich changes coming with Grineer changes

[obtuse gyro]

Theyre not the pilots for the vessels tho

theyre the ones that entrati took samples from, which lead to entrati making the vessels

[manic lichen]

i thought the same since the hex don't have transference cause that is a Tenno thing. not warframe thing, but what further use is the hex if they are trying to get out of 1999?

was it just a pit stop to make friends and thats it ?

[obtuse gyro]

but what further use is the hex if they are trying to get out of 1999?
Well being pilots for the vessels aint it for sure

[obtuse gyro]

whats the most successful weapon against wally right now

currently 2 for 2 against him

[manic lichen]

the Tenno

[obtuse gyro]

❌

What is it that repelled wally in Whispers in the Wall

A vision of the past promised a bleak future, but the unexpected assistance of the Cavia offered a precious second chance. With a memory of love holding the Indifference at bay, Loid prepares to send you back… and perhaps this time, you will not be late.

[manic lichen]

so far i can see the story of Duviri was made for the kids to control their emotions to control the void, hense why the drifter MADE Duviri, further causing the indifference giving us part of his void like godlike abilities for a deal we are yet to know. which caused Entrati to make titan like warframes, the Vessels to fight against the indifference

along with the love thing, entrati said it himself his weakness was love, which may also be why we had to make friends in 1999

[zenith jacinth]

You can't control the void. That was the point of tales of duviri, teaching kids to stay calm so they don't end up creating horrors beyond human comprehension

[obtuse gyro]

for the kids to control their emotions to control the void
Not control the void, to prevent unfortunate and unwanted reactions from the void

further causing the indifference giving us part of his void like godlike abilities for a deal we are yet to know
Cant be the case at all, since the deal is made prior to duviri being formed

[zenith jacinth]

Or a bunch of floating islands based on that very book

[manic lichen]

thats what i meant yea

well we'll deffenetly see quite soon.

fingers crossed for Cosmic Attack On Titan fights

[zenith jacinth]

Fighting almost definitely won't be the answer this time

[manic lichen]

i am NOT kissing the indifference

[zenith jacinth]

Who

Who said that you'd have to

It's repelled by pretty much any amount of kindness

[balmy storm]

We’ll def be fighting to an extent but the actual fight against Wally is utilizing love, compassion, empathy

Basically the Tenno’s greatest power

[prime lantern]

And this gun i found

[balmy storm]

The Sirocco?

[prime lantern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zenith jacinth]

Stug

Clearly the 9x stug bp drop from the last devstream was a hint

[balmy storm]

Stug Prime Incarnon

[wicked iron]

Having Albrecht be the one to say such a thing felt so audacious. The most self-centered scum, next to Ballas, has the gall to say that.

[balmy storm]

Lmao

At least his goal is better than Ballas’
Saving all of reality is better than “my wife loved her kids lore than me waaaa” is better, though his actions are definitely not good

Goodish intentions
Horrible actions

Ballas was just horrible intentions horrible actions

[steep totem]

Glorious typo
Don't fix it

[balmy storm]

What’s the typo

[wicked iron]

Kids lore.

[balmy storm]

OH LOL

I think my autocorrect changed love to lore

You can tell what I talk about

[wicked iron]

Honestly, I don't know if I trust that Albrecht is ultimately trying to save reality.

[balmy storm]

I mean he’s trying to stop Wally because Wally is a threat to reality

[wicked iron]

I think it was "more" that got changed lol

[balmy storm]

Oh you’re right

I’m
Tired lol
You can still tell what I talk about more

[wicked iron]

I want Wally to be the good guy who is just trying to stop the hyper destructive nature of Albrecht, but his lack of truly understanding people and emotions is what leads to his doing things in a not great way.

[balmy storm]

Albrecht wants to stop Wally cause he sees himself as guilty for unleashing Wally

[steep totem]

We can tell, yes
Doesn't change the fact that it's glorious

[wicked iron]

Cuz honestly, I like Wally more than Albrecht. I used to think Albrecht was so cool, until we got more in-game lore about him lol

[balmy storm]

I mean there is the idea that he is just lonely but there’s a point where his actions can’t be excused just cause he didn’t know better

[wicked iron]

Albrecht plays the victim all the time, just like Ballas did.

[balmy storm]

Like Albrecht is absolutely a terrible person

[balmy storm]

Truuue
Orokin moment

[wicked iron]

Even when he talks about ABANDONING HIS FAMILY AND HEARING HIS DAUGHTER IN DUVIRI, he is still acting the victim. 0/10.

[steep totem]

I mean, Albrecht definitely is more of a victim than Ballas was, but I see your point

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf at least he locked himself in 1999 in an attempt to lure wally away from loid

[steep totem]

He didn't mean to unleash a horrible monster
Ballas totally did

[zenith jacinth]

The one positive

[balmy storm]

He is
It still does not excuse his actions

[zenith jacinth]

I am kinda disappointed that albrecht somehow went from "outsider orokin" to just another orokin

[balmy storm]

Like I understand the desperation but it still doesn’t make it okay

[balmy storm]

I mean
He was always an Orokin

[zenith jacinth]

Physically yes but mentally

[wild wind]

Remember, Albrecht's original idea was to spread the Orokin across all of the universe

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we will like
Make Wally into a good guy necessarily, his Murmur still have to exist and while they are separate from him they are also him

[wild wind]

Then he met Wally, and half of the reason he freaked out was the Orokin twin thing

[balmy storm]

And then he was just hyper focused on stopping Wally to the point that nothing else mattered

His family? Nope
Endangered animals? Nah
The past itself and the people in it? Just a tool

[wicked iron]

I stand by wanting The Man in the Wall being the good trying to stop Albrecht since he has all of Albrecht's memories from before and knows Albrecht is actually up to something super sinister. And he doesn't know how to get allies, so he is making a lot of bad decisions due to not understanding people and emotions lol

[wild wind]

TBF he does keep the family out of it as much as possible

[zenith jacinth]

Ig I was just hoping albrecht would've emotionally developed to be less of an utter scumbag like the other entrati

[wild wind]

That's the one thing I will give Albrecht

[wicked iron]

I know this won't really happen, but darn it I like that idea more than the idea of Albrecht being a "decent but misguided" person.

Cuz he is garbage.

[wild wind]

I mean

The absolutely terrible thing is that Albrecht being a monster DOES help the people he's helping

[balmy storm]

Eeh, for Wally to look at Albrecht and go “that’s wrong” he’d need a previous basis to be able to do that, if anything he learned from Albrecht’s indifference and ran with it further

[wild wind]

Strong emotions keep the protos human

Literally hating Albrecht is keeping the Hex grounded

[balmy storm]

Wally was nothing before Albrecht, then boom his one and only example of anything and it’s awful
His first ever influence was terrible, no wonder he is terrible too

[zenith jacinth]

Like kermerros' worst crime that we know of is trying to give his soldier father something to fight again

[wild wind]

I mean I actually do believe that Wally was terrible even without Albrecht

[wicked iron]

The rest of the Entrati family >>> Albrecht. Especially Grandmother.

[rustic cargo]

I think the story is interesting in which Albrecht is aligned with us but also clearly not a good guy either. Warframe really does strive to not have anyone as The Hero or altogether a good person aside from select few groups who aren't major power players

[balmy storm]

Oh same, by our standards he’s still awful

Like without Albrecht he’d likely still just be an indifferent force, entropy

[zenith jacinth]

The players:

[wild wind]

Like, I don't think it would be entirely indifferent, because the malice came from somewhere other than Albrecht

[balmy storm]

While I do think we may use empathy with Wally I don’t think he is or will be a good guy
Cause
He can’t be

Also like
I disagree with forgiving our literal abuser

Wally is the reason our parents are dead, why the Zariman jump happened the way it did, why Drifter was stuck in Duviri for so long
Yes the Orokin too had a hand but Wally is an abuser

[rustic cargo]

We believe we're correct and good because we're the players, of course we'd believe we're good

[zenith jacinth]

Ultimately wally is still an eldritch horror, he doesn't necessarily understand or fall into a human sense of morality

[wicked iron]

The Man in the Wall didn't cause Duviri. That was just conceptual embodiment.

[zenith jacinth]

And because we just objectively are good

[balmy storm]

No I know :p
but he’s the reason the Drifter was stuck alone in the void and stuck in Duviri

[wild wind]

I mean, the game does lay out in the KIM chats that Wally deliberately had the parents go after the kids

And then armed the kids with void powers to watch them delete their parents

[balmy storm]

Yeah, there’s a point where even if he didn’t understand what he was doing that we can’t just
Forgive what he did

[wild wind]

This actually cannot be "accidentally misunderstanding humanity" that is pure evil

[rustic cargo]

Not necessarily, we definitely work for our own interests which is a good thing for us

[balmy storm]

Even those that are evil can be lonely, doesn’t mean their evil is justified at all
Which
It isn’t

[rustic cargo]

And I do think Indifference was inherently evil and would be even without Albrecht being first contact, the story is laying out Indifference and a lack of care being bad and love, connection with others, and building relationships as good

[wild wind]

The Tenno canonically are keeping the Grineer and Corpus locked in a forever war because we can't actually beat one side without the other conquering the system

[balmy storm]

I mean good and evil are arguably subjective to a point but we do the best we can to do good things

Like murder is bad but we do it to protect civilians, those who cannot protect themselves

[zenith jacinth]

In the heavily implied case that albrecht created wally, I suspect it's possible that some of his actions are manifestations of albrecht's scientist side

And scientists can be extremely cruel

[balmy storm]

We literally work to protect those who can’t protect themselves out of selflessness :p

[wild wind]

Eleanor at least says Wally predates Albrecht

Which, maybe

[balmy storm]

I believe he both predates him and was created by him

[zenith jacinth]

Sythel and the lore recap pc say albrecht caused wally

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[balmy storm]

He was nothing before Albrecht, a void like the void
But with Albrecht? He became so much more than nothing

[balmy storm]

Albrecht’s understanding is he created him too

[wild wind]

Sythel doesn't, lore recap just says he's fighting it

[nova harness]

Albrecht thinks he is him

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht is full of himself I trust him as much as I trust ballas

[rustic cargo]

But we also murder and have done so and continue to do so. It's the moral quandary of we are good for being The Good Killers and the other guys are The Bad Killers, and become a very neutral party in an intergalactic war who serves the highest bidder. It's dependent on interpretation like you said

[nova harness]

Albrecht is paranoid about being Wally

[rustic cargo]

Not saying Tenno are wholly evil but we aren't absolute bastions of good either

We lean more on being good

[wild wind]

I mean, setting as listed, if the Grineer/Corpus hadn't started eating the System we'd have slept forever

[real niche]

Are you forgetting the people we murder are:
-The hypermilitary slaves
-Hypercapitalism
-A paracyte zombie virus

[obtuse gyro]

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started!"
She kinda do tho

[zenith jacinth]

"If you kill a killer, the number of killers stays the same"
"Kill two"

[wild wind]

The void predated him

[balmy storm]

Warframe isn’t intergalactic what

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.
Says more than just fighting him

[zenith jacinth]

The void was nothing until the incident

[wild wind]

May

May

Also definitely not true

[balmy storm]

Also again we
Literally fight to protect and for civillians, yes there’s the moral quandary but there isn’t another option lol

[wild wind]

The Orokin used the Void long before Albrecht

[real niche]

The option is let people get slaughtered... or not.

[obtuse gyro]

Eleanor makes contact with Wally in the Loop
Wally already made contact with the loop prior to eleanor's attempt
"may"

[rustic cargo]

Oopies I meant galactic

[zenith jacinth]

...no.

[balmy storm]

From what the Orokin had found the void was nothing before Albrecht stepped into it
That doesn’t mean Wally didn’t exist to some extent kfc

[wicked iron]

They didn't. He discovered it.

[wild wind]

Fam what is Kuva

[zenith jacinth]

That. Was the whole point of the expedition

[balmy storm]

Also not galactic?
Warframe takes place in one solar system, at most 2