spoiler-chat

[rain otter]

matters for the

normal hex not the new protos.

[tidal escarp]

oh, alright, I'll do that thanks

now I guess I'll just wait for tomorrow's yearly reset, wait for me my beloved BG3 narrator 😭

[rain otter]

no that's not the yearly one

yet is it?

[tidal escarp]

I thought it reset on winter?

or was it after winter, damn I can't remember now

[rain otter]

oh is it autum now?

[balmy storm]

It is

[rain otter]

then yeah Winter is the first of the year.

Oh i'm owned.

[balmy storm]

Autumn includes december

[rain otter]

i'm turning into a corncob.

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna drive you around the infested moon

[rain otter]

AHH

[livid willow]

Got that right

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it's slightly confusing because the 1999 quest was very clearly set in Winter and it was definitely Dec 31st, but in actual gameplay when you play it's Autumn in December

[balmy storm]

In the quest I think some points are during spring too
Like the demo

[livid willow]

I liked the demo I also use the skin when I can

[prime raptor]

Even Dax Gladius can't fight against Lizzie

[livid willow]

WhT song is that

[prime raptor]

Seven Nation Army

[prime raptor]

If you need a Shawzin code:

6SAASAMhAQSAWRAcMAgKAwSBASBMhBQSBWRBcMBgKBwSCASCMhCQSCWRCcMCgKCwSDASDMhDQSDWRDcMDgKDwSEASEMhEQSEWREcMEgKEwSFASFMhFQSFWRFcMFgKFwSGASGMhGQSGWRGcMGgKGwSHASHMhHQSHWRHcMHgKHwSIASIMhIQSIWRIcMIgKIwSJASJMhJQSJWRJcMJgKJwSKASKMhKQSKWRKcMKgKKwSLASLMhLQSLWRLcMLgKLwEMAEMEEMIEMMEMQEMUEMYEMcJMgJMkJMoJMsJMwJM0JM4JM8SNASNMhNQSNWRNcMNgKNwSOASOMhOQSOWROcMOgROmMOsKOwSPASPMhPQSPWRPcMPgKPwSQASQMhQQSQWRQcMQgRQmMQsKQwERAEREERIERMERQERUERYERcJRgJRkJRoJRsJRwJR0JR4JR8SSASSMhSQSSWRScMSgKSwSTASTMhTQSTWRTcMTgKTwSUASUMhUQSUWRUcMUgKUwSVASVMhVQSVWRVcMVgKVwSWASWMhWQSWWRWcMWgKWwSXASXMhXQSXWRXcMXgKXwSYASYMhYQSYWRYcMYgKYwSZASZMhZQSZWRZcMZgKZwSaASaMhaQSaWRacMagKawSbASbMhbQSbWRbcMbgKbwScAScMhcQScWRccMcgKcwSdASdMhdQSdWRdcMdgKdwEeAEeEEeIEeMEeQEeUEeYEecJegJekJeoJesJewJe0Je4Je8SfASfMhfQSfWRfcMfgKfwSgASgMhgQSgWRgcMggRgmMgsKgwShAShMhhQShWRhcMhgKhwSiASiMhiQSiWRicMigRimMisKiwSjASjMhjQSjWRjcMjgKjwSkASkMhkQSkWRkcMkgRkmMksKkwSlASlMhlQSlWRlcMlgKlwSmASmMhmQSmWRmcMmgRmmMmsKmwEnAEnEEnIEnMEnQEnUEnYEncJngJnkJnoJnsJnwJn0Jn4Jn8BoA

[livid willow]

I was just wanting to know the song

[prime raptor]

I stole it somewhere

[wicked fjord]

Oh yeah, this song slaps, I can hear it already

[livid willow]

But what song is it

[wicked fjord]

Seven Nation Army - The White Stripes

[prime raptor]

It's custom, not the original from the game, it's like the octavia's mandachord

[livid willow]

That’s why I knew it

It’s seven nation army

[livid willow]

Thanks

[prime raptor]

yes

[livid willow]

I’m aware of that I just knew the beet from somewhere

[sturdy tangle]

anyone got jumpscared by flare?

[nova harness]

Yeah, you have just now

[sturdy tangle]

yea i have, 5 mins ago too

[amber terrace]

Is it possible to play ‘Mary had a little lamb’ on the shawzin?

[sturdy tangle]

yes

[sturdy tangle]

if you want prebuilt song maps theres bound to be some on forums, but if youre smort enough to know which notes are which you can play it yourself, i dont. so yeah

[livid willow]

I try not to be rude to Lizzie and flare

[sturdy tangle]

i push my luck w em

[prime raptor]

https://youtu.be/Ue94sfKuHjc

[gentle cape]

umbra:

(he plays the song for operator, who is very exacerbated but appreciates the effort.)

(this is a silly headcanon of course...)

[quartz pulsar]

Game's throwing this up even though they're bandmates and getting along just fine, writing lyrics. Huuuuh?

[astral jackal]

Somehow, I managed to get the perfect ending for everyone. Even to Kaya. I was kinda rude to Kaya

[tight pagoda]

Bug, everyone got it

Tomorrow you'll be fine, since you got the lyrics chat, which is the good one

[tight pagoda]

Kaya is very very very easy, all you need to do is get the Argon Crystal question right

[prime raptor]

Not everyone

[quartz pulsar]

Oh, thank goodness lol. TY for the info!

[formal fable]

Yeah for me temple not best friends only close

[nova harness]

If you haven’t had any other chats show up for Flare you probably failed

[real niche]

Could've sworn they fixed the bug

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, because umbra is totally not known to enjoy playing the shawzin

[rain otter]

The last chat should fix it.

[bronze glen]

Unite them

I was associated with Flare till the last minute

Last Convo put me up to best friends

[livid willow]

Yup

[zenith jacinth]

Yes that is how it works

[bronze glen]

Nah not really, I was Best Friends with the couple 2 conversations ago

[zenith jacinth]

That's not flare&lizzie though, is it

[worn sinew]

question: is there anyone who got associates with kaya and would be able to show me her profile notes for that ending?

[lapis kelp]

How do I use that?

[prime raptor]

When you use shawzin, there is a function to upload your track via code

[lapis kelp]

[topaz nova]

wth

[topaz nova]

So it's not ok to tease them?

Tho im close with them but they stopped texting me

[nova harness]

If you’re out of convos with them but not got Best Friend you failed and gotta begin Again completely

[topaz nova]

Suspected as much, i need to watch a guide for these types of stuff 😵‍💫

[jagged sable]

Kimulacrum will help if you need to know the right things to say.

[topaz nova]

Don't know how to use it

[jagged sable]

2 ways to use it.
One is where you practice a convo with a member of the hex.
And the other is just simply looking at a flow chart and seeing what responses you pick does what.

[tropic vapor]

so what kinda frame should i use for angels of the zariman? surivivability? armor strip? power?

[steep totem]

A good amp

[real niche]

If you just mean the quest itself, shouldn't matter much since they're still at most level 30 enemeis. Amp does matter a lot more, yeah

[tropic vapor]

i have a 111 that took 3 days just to get the cetus wisps to make

[tropic vapor]

alright, noted, i'll either take frost or ember then

[steep totem]

That will work
Just don't do what I did and try Angels with the Mote Amp

[tropic vapor]

uuuh, i like how that amp works... but damage wise?... you must be a basket case

[steep totem]

I suppose
My reasoning behind that was I had just managed to gild it, and wanted the mastery points

[tropic vapor]

thats fair

question, will what i face on the zariman have armor?

[thick jolt]

Errr sometimes

[tropic vapor]

k, so frost is my best bet then or no? cus my frost does 110% armor strip and slows enemies simultainiuously

[thick jolt]

Honestly between frost and ember i think both would perform about the same
Think ember also has armor strip on 3rd and fire makes enemies flail for a bit

[tropic vapor]

yea, true, tho im still figuring out armor stripping with ember... there is no better way to word that is there?

[thick jolt]

Nope lol

[steep totem]

You could specify 'stripping enemy armor,' but that's a little clunky

[tropic vapor]

also true

[tropic vapor]

made worse by the fact this is my ember...

[thick jolt]

Lol

[steep totem]

Reminds me of the time I put heat on my Epitaph
Enemies would go up in purple flames
It was really pretty

Then they standardized things so energy colors didn't affect status effects

[tropic vapor]

very pretty

[tropic vapor]

why? purple fire pretty fire

yes i like fire, no im not a pyro

[steep totem]

Confusion, ig

[tropic vapor]

fair

[steep totem]

Don't worry, I'm the same
Though I blame my Chem major

They have ways to make fire super pretty

[tropic vapor]

true that

for me it was pheonix project, a stepping stone into fire cadets

[thick jolt]

Black fire is the best

[tropic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/jhope-arson-jhope-arson-fire-bora-fire-gif-26207734

[thick jolt]

Saw it on nile red i think

Or nile blue

Ehh one of his channels

[tropic vapor]

heheh

[still bluff]

white fire tho

[tropic vapor]

true

[thick jolt]

Yeah i mixed it up it was a white flame
Gues black flame got stuck in my head because he described that it looked like it was in black and white

[still bluff]

Oh yeah i get it, but it looks stunning either way

now i need to make my ember have white fire, oh well

[tropic vapor]

hehe

[tropic vapor]

monochrome ember

[still bluff]

finally ill use my all white/black color pallet (i never use it)

[tropic vapor]

i mean, its my go too palete alongside the hallows eve one 🤣

[still bluff]

my go to pallet is tbh the lotus one

i love the colors there

[tropic vapor]

noice

[steep totem]

I did random colors once when all I had was the Saint Patrick's color pallet

Most of them were just NEON GREEN

[tropic vapor]

my usual go to is purples, golds and blacks, sometimes greys, i kinda mix and match

[tropic vapor]

hehehehehe

[still bluff]

dear god...

[tropic vapor]

finally a good shot of my ember frame

[still bluff]

ah yes the gold and black, nothing can beat it most of the times

[tropic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-green-gif-25970986

[still bluff]

i always adore the combo of black red and some gold

[steep totem]

About how they looked, actually

[tropic vapor]

true that, cept frost prime.. he's a lil dull

[tropic vapor]

🤣

[tropic vapor]

noice

well im off to do angels of the zariman with ember

[zenith jacinth]

White fire looks good on ember heirloom

[still bluff]

i wish i had her

[zenith jacinth]

Ha

[tropic vapor]

surprising

im not one either, i got heirloom for the head piece to be honest

its a crown of freaking fire

[zenith jacinth]

I just think it looks cool

[tropic vapor]

that and i like fire

[zenith jacinth]

I have the problem of wasting plat on fashion I use once

Or never in case of nekros' deluxe

[tropic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/fistbump-psych-boom-gif-3553172

[zenith jacinth]

I don't have nekros

[tropic vapor]

fair.. i still dunno how to use him, enemies died to fast for me to learn

[zenith jacinth]

I know how to use him moderately well my helminth just deserved a feast

I very quickly started regretting that bc he was my only loot frame

[thick jolt]

Well thats why you bring them back and have a chat with them

[zenith jacinth]

I feel like that'd be as useful as casting speak with dead on a corpse chained in a prison to ask for the way out

[tropic vapor]

🤣

thats about the only ability i figured out

[tropic vapor]

exactly

[zenith jacinth]

Terrify to get space, desecrate for more loot, shadows for damage and survivability with augment

[full locust]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxyeGrZxnwibkVjowhDF9qvT0neQ87uXP0?si=_KHOIWWi5IyDCCzk

Average reaction to becoming worm

[tropic vapor]

yea, just a little timing is required to use him well

welp now its just whispers in the walls (he's in the walls, he's in the void damn walls!) anything i should know?

[glacial sparrow]

"tau is on sights"

[formal fable]

Wonder can replay with temple and velmir however and stay on best friends with the rest

[zenith jacinth]

No

[jagged sable]

nope. when you make everyone forget. you make everyone forget.

So, if you're in a relationship, be sure to get the good endings unless you want to thanos snap the relationship back to square one.

[amber terrace]

Has anyone transcribed Kaya’s quotes in Larunda?

[formal fable]

So have to restart all again ?

[formal fable]

So press forget and rizz all again ?

[daring pendant]

Yeah, I was gonna reset

[formal fable]

Ah so all the hex members need to rizz again ?

Cause if got option i want to pick only temple and vlemir to rizz only however rest all best friends

[unique kayak]

So I messed up.. Kaya's birthday is the 1st.. I interacted with her the birthday message and now can't reset.

So don't chat with kaya...

[tropic vapor]

so question, what do i need to know for whispers in the wall? as in survivability? power/lesser-nuking? crowd control? and yes lesser nuking, im not at the point of truely nuking yet * editbrain fart

[obtuse gyro]

None

Like at most just make sure your railjack is not paper

[tropic vapor]

well, its not modded out the wazoo but its not paper

[tropic vapor]

had a brain fart cus im monitering my 3d printer, i mean whispers in the walls

[obtuse gyro]

Whispers, you also just need a bare minimum. Maybe some form of survivability

[tropic vapor]

so dr or overgaurd?

[obtuse gyro]

Or shieldgating if possible

[tropic vapor]

hildryn prime?

[obtuse gyro]

Half of the murmur units use armour so ig? Its not a hard mission so you don't have to worry

[tropic vapor]

fair

[tropic vapor]

i still cannot unsee her horns as a roll cage

[tight pagoda]

Or handlebars... 👀

[amber terrace]

There’s a great deal of catharsis associated with not caring as much about the Archimedea activities because you have all the melee arcanes from EDA, and I bought the one arcane I actually wanted from ETA

That is to say that I’m preserving my mental wellbeing by not doing the rage inducing bogus chicanery that is double capture Legacyte and Mirror Defense and unified purpose Disruption

REPLY TO Arkadia and BLOOD_MOON_WOLF
As the resident Hildryn enthusiast, I like to see the horns on her Prime helmet as a Mynki(God rest his soul) style Viking helmet

[wicked iron]

Hm... How exactly did ||Kaya get to the Void to gather Argon Crystals|| in the first place?

Also, it's funny to see Codas walloping other Techrot lol

[thick jolt]

my guess is she pulled it instead of going there and picking it up

[wicked iron]

Like the enemy Codas when they spawn. Last mission I had them, they started beating up the Techrot near them. XD

[thick jolt]

probably opened a portal and saw what came out

[wicked iron]

Opened a portal... How?

[thick jolt]

nova

[wicked iron]

Nova portals don't go to the Void, unless I am mistaken.

[thick jolt]

it is one of her batch's powers but she can control better because she is smarter

[tight pagoda]

Not capable of doing so in gameplay, but Kaya's a scientist so she can probably pinpoint a rough location

[thick jolt]

just like aoi her level of detail when manipulating metals far surpasses what we do in missions

[tight pagoda]

Ultimately the Void is everywhere too so it's more like tearing a hole into it

[amber terrace]

Personally, I thought that the Argon Crystal chat was less about Kaya building a Time Machine out of Argon Crystals, but rather a proof of concept, that one could use the Void to time travel and still come out in one piece

[real niche]

Wasn't her whole strat using Drifter as a reference point in the Void?

[thick jolt]

that's for the time travel part
we are talking a little bit before when she was studying ways to do it

namely how she got argon crystals

[frigid canopy]

Hey, can Kaya now show up in ur Orbiter after she ||breaks out of 1999||?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[topaz nova]

Is it in game? I couldn't find it when searching

[zenith jacinth]

It's a website

[jagged sable]

yeah, google Kimulacrum and you'll find it easy.

[steep totem]

Hmmm
Wonder if they had the 'Paranoid' quirk
I remember that other Adversaries with that quirk will tend to attack their subordinates when left alone (usually with crazed transmission messages about how none of them can be trusted)

[tropic vapor]

"ah dr freeman its good to see you"

in all serious notes how did de get the permission to have a cutout of dr freeman?

[balmy storm]

I still wish we got it as a decoration

[tropic vapor]

damn

also why is there an 8 by the hl lambada logo? is de taking a jab at valve? who still have yet to count past 2

[balmy storm]

Wdym

Also probably not :p

[tight pagoda]

There's a lore reason for it.

Half Life is canon

G-Man in the Wall confirmed

[rain otter]

Valve let's a lot of people use their IP.

Slime Rancher included.

[feral cipher]

guys which one ?

[pliant ledge]

hey, so how do i choose whether to forget my relationships with the hex or remember? the prompt popped up but i accidentally clicked "choose later" which i dont know where to find since i want to reset my relationship with the hex

[covert tree]

Primed sure footed

You'll never fall again

Stupid frigging stomp attacks

[tropic vapor]

Hehe

[tropic vapor]

Interesting

[undone lodge]

White and gold could, but there’s too many things it just looks dirty on

[tight pagoda]

I'm pretty sure if you chose "Choose later" next time you open the game/PC it'll ask again

[lofty girder]

PSF or Shred, vigor is such a niche mod

[sturdy turret]

got lizzie shawzin she sounds great

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604525982929649667/1358756752002384022/shawzin_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67f50056&is=67f3aed6&hm=614e037ef3cc5950470df6a3124d782be31415ab0746c1cd4b33cf519ebee4c4&

[ebon echo]

reset the chats so i can get flare back and not mess up and Amir is still here lmao.
he no no wanna go

[balmy storm]

Where are his legs 😭

[undone lodge]

He went to fast and they phased into the bed

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/pun-silly-mannequin-leg-break-a-leg-gif-5165530

[balmy storm]

rip amir

[zenith jacinth]

He's supposed to be sitting on the couch

[nova harness]

L

[balmy storm]

I know lol

[zenith jacinth]

I don't see the point in building a bed in-game. Then again, I somehow sleep best in uncomfortable places

I am strange

[balmy storm]

I have a “bed” on my orbiter but there’s enough couches in the backroom so I’m chillin’

[nova harness]

I don’t see why there wasn’t a bed in the first place Albrecht lived in it is human and like all humans that aren’t Infested should need sleep

And DE called him one of the smartest people

[balmy storm]

Did the Orokin sleep?

[zenith jacinth]

Is intelligence connected to sleeping in a bed

[balmy storm]

Do we even sleep?

I’m still unsure if we need to eat
We def can and do feel hungry but do we HAVE to eat?

[prime lantern]

You ever sleep on the ground

Its pretty nice sometimes

[obtuse gyro]

I have, many times

Ive mastered the art

[prime lantern]

Many times I will lay on my back on the floor because it makes my back stop hurting and then I'll just fall asleep

[zenith jacinth]

I have fallen asleep in my chair in school many times

[prime lantern]

School desks lowkey are comfy as hell

[obtuse gyro]

Dirt floor? Ezpz. In the forest? The jungle? Ezpz

[thick jolt]

The ancient art shared among scientists known as, pass out on your desk

[prime lantern]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if albretch actually slept like a bat

Idk what it is but I wouldn't be surprised if he did

[thick jolt]

Turns out stalker was only immitating the orokin lol

[zenith jacinth]

Well I usually fell asleep on my arm in a way that it was completely out when I woke up

[prime lantern]

Small sacrifice

[zealous latch]

Right so yesterday kim chat said liked on all profiles

And today it said trusted to them and only aurther on liked???? I am gunning for elenor any help?

[worn sinew]

...what do you need help with??

trusted is higher than liked

[tribal forum]

why is ballas talking to me in duviri

[plush swan]

Why are Aoi (dual pistols), Amir (dual blades), and Minerva (dual pistols) carrying weapons that they don't use?

[gentle cape]

not ballas,, conceptual embodiment of him as kully's prison warden bc kullervo hates himself THAT much.

[gentle cape]

wdym??

[nova harness]

Read the text underneath

[balmy storm]

It’s a bug

[balmy storm]

Nah, that’s a bug
Not Kullervo’s Warden

[tribal forum]

i find nada's explanation more fun

[nova harness]

There’s fun then there’s correct

[balmy storm]

^

[plush swan]

Their gemini skins:

• Aoi has two pistols holstered under her arms
• Amir has two blades holstered on his butt
• Minerva has two pistols holstered on her butt

AFAIK, you can't even get a 1999-style dual-pistol skin

[balmy storm]

Why would Kullervo’s warden care about us playing Komi
All he cares about is Kullervo

[balmy storm]

You can not

Closest thing to Amir’s weapon is the new twin scaldra scythes

[gentle cape]

ah...... weird.

it should say "warden"...

[nova harness]

No, Warden has no Komi dialogue

It’s just a bug

Warden is busy watching his prisoner

[balmy storm]

It shouldn’t because it’s a bug.

That isn’t the Warden speaking, it’s Ballas
Speaking because of Komi minigame.

[tribal forum]

what if ballas is using the void to transfer into the bunny

[balmy storm]

No…

[gentle cape]

the way arthur's voice turned soft & sheepish when saying "hey kaya! at lettie's request..."

this girl showed up & everyone just decided "yeah thats our younger sister-daughter kid." 🥺❤

the thing that gets me abt them the most is the fact that their personalities in kim chats =/= the voicelines you hear between them while standing beside them. like... minerva is more intolerable in those voicelines than she is in the chats, & velimir is less talkative in the voicelines than in kim chats.............

its like listening to 2 separate couples who happen to have the same names.

like. "believe it or not, velimir was quite the operative once. until his priorities shifted." MAAM SO HAVE YOURS WDYM??? YOU VERBALLY CHOKESLAMMED ME IN THE KIM CHATS BC I DIDNT KNOW WHERE RUSALKA IS...

& velimir is far more vulnerable abt his family issues in the voicelines than in kim chats........

like. (scratches head) these 2 in the chats are Not the same as the 2 im listening bicker while afk rn.

[hearty pendant]

people speak differently than they type

• the voicelines have to be more neutral because they don't change with kim progress, other than the last fail/success check afaik
  kaya is fairly nice and agreeable when you first approach her in the mall, compared to the initial kim chats of 'give me what i want, stay out of my way'

[gentle cape]

its just so jarring...

also idt the voicelines are neutral for these two......... no wonder ppl are choosing to divorce them

[rain otter]

I disagree

About Minerva and Velmir.

[rain otter]

I think she should be meaner.

Y'all are too weak.

[gentle cape]

hm??

[gentle cape]

its not that... its the fact that for me, her in kim & her in the voicelines are not the same person. shes much meaner in the vls than in kim.

[rain otter]

I need more women Characters to be adversarial. Make where you can't progress until you actually learn why women might be adversarial to new people and you have deconstruct why you feel differently about women being mean than men.

[gentle cape]

(& tbh?? vel is just as mean. he gives just as good as he gets.)

[rain otter]

Yeah i wonder why people point out the woman? Hmmmm? Anyway.

They are a sweet couple i like them.

They just lost a child.

Like that does something to your relationship.

Kaya should have meaner lines in the hub though. She deserves it.

[gentle cape]

i love them too,,, im just pointing out some inconsistency w their characters...

[hearty pendant]

what, in her mall dialog? yeah, absolutely
kaya has no reason to trust you, nor be trusted when she first shows up
for gameplay reasons, though, you don't want to lock people out of the new high level stuff for weeks because they haven't built up trust w/ her yet
if temporal archimedia wasn't such a big thing, i'd agree with locking it behind chemistry
n don't make access to it reset with the timeline*
although, i don't know if she has different lines when you're at rank 4 and can't properly interact with the newcomers vs rank 5

[thick jolt]

Maybe she was trying to make a disconect between irl and internet to help with her anonymity concerns

[gentle cape]

i pointed out vel's inconsistency too?? ok...

shady af comebacks.jpg

[obtuse gyro]

Remind me, can you only talk to them at R5 or do they start yapping at R4

[thick jolt]

Flare is 4 and the other three are at 5

[obtuse gyro]

Hm, so its not a case of being able to engage with them before chatting. Shame, might explain some of the mismatch ngl

[thick jolt]

Honestly i'd say kaya and minemir have reason enough to act different in both situations considering their backstories
Kaya distrusts everything and everyone in the internet

Minerva and velimir are spies so they are probably wary of remote communication channels

[gentle cape]

i'll say tho,, i love how they gave more complexity to the 90s "hyper-competent mom, incompetent dad" trope...

bc vel Isnt incompetent, hes just doing things in a different way that accomplishes whatever goals he had in mind; hes a spy, he lets others feel safe around him just to get info from them. if hes breaking protocols to do it then he doesnt mind. he doesnt care how long it takes, he doesnt care how much it takes, he Will get that info—hes kind of a liar in the way hes so jovial & friendly bc for an emotional man, he represses So Much of what he wants in order to make Others feel at ease and happy and that Should Be enough for him. (it was... for a time, it was.)

meanwhile, minerva is the way she is bc shes a woman in the 90s... & probably was born in the 70s or so. yeah no wonder she does everything By The (spy) Book bc she wont be able to get away w things the way vel does. she Had to be strict & no-nonsense otherwise the progress will be not be moving as much as she wanted it to... (& she can turn this mode off. thats who she is & thats how she got through the world & thats what she taught her baby daughter—"your tears are your mother's tears and hers are her mother's tears" or however that poem goes...)

...im unwell abt them.

i think minerva & quincy would get along really well,, theyre more alike i think.

ok enough of my daily icedtoxin insanity,,, de had the funniest timing to make stone cold steve austin (atlas proto) be a playable character in the scifi space ninja game &. didnt do that.

like. the mid-late 90s all the way to the mid-late 00s was THE attitude era & the height of wwe... the posters of steve austin & bret hart & undertaker & shawn michaels & triple h were EVERYWHERE.

[rain otter]

Oh sure.

[wicked iron]

If Helminth is able to simultaneously see and act in the past, present, and future, I wonder if the same applies to the other types of Infestation... Cuz if so, history should constantly be getting changed by them.

[hearty pendant]

new headcanon, the infestation has prevented its death via time travel hundreds of times
/j
but that is an interesting point

[thick jolt]

..........
Is....
Is that why noone knows where it came from? Like maybe from a future even beyond ours?

[wicked iron]

That wouldn't quite explain it being present in the distant past on Earth, though.

[zenith jacinth]

Infestation is old

[gentle cape]

its ancient enough that the Orokin forgot it existed until ballas made the frames....

[wicked iron]

I wonder if it is strictly a Helminth thing that lets it be present through time like that. Could be, but I would love to hear if that is the case, and even if it is, hoooooowwwww?!?! XD

[zenith jacinth]

What

[obtuse gyro]

I think in the terms of the vex from destiny, its not like the infestation is going to do anything on that level especially since all they get is information

[hearty pendant]

do we know of anywhere that had infestation and it was removed?
i wonder if we somehow visited deimos during 1999, if there'd be anything there
because if it isn't properly limited by time-

[zenith jacinth]

Deimos got infested via infestation nuke

[wicked iron]

Earth used to be overrun by Infestation, and it was cleansed.

[obtuse gyro]

There'd be a rock, because its 1999 and the furthest humans ever got then was the moon

[hearty pendant]

there's still dark sectors, but yeah
i think that's enough to discount that little thought

[wicked iron]

The Dark Sectors might be new, after the modern Infestation outbreak.

[zenith jacinth]

We also clean out the infestation from a grineer base using some sort of bomb

[wicked iron]

Once Awake, and all.

Cascade Bomb, I believe it is.

[hearty pendant]

mm yeah
i was thinking like
if its active at all times, what stops it from spreading through time "backwards"

[zenith jacinth]

Access to time travel

[obtuse gyro]

Brain travel, body no travel

Cant pump and dump troops if you cant pump anything

[hearty pendant]

yeah
half-baked idea
would've been interesting though

[wicked iron]

If it all does that have that awareness through time though, then it could just change its past actions.

[cosmic prawn]

Infestation might only understand the "present", as in all moments are the present to it, so it can't plan for the "future", since that doesn't really exist for it.

[obtuse gyro]

Then itself would bootstrap

[zealous latch]

What? Really? I thought they needed to be on liked to romance? So i can still romance them right?

[worn sinew]

it goes neutral -> friendly -> liked -> trusted -> close -> best friends/loved/associates (depending on who it is)
aoi, amir, and quincy can be dated from 'trusted', but arthur, eleanor, and lettie require 'close'

[zealous latch]

Ah so i still have weeks of chat to win over elenor then thanks

Turned on the random chat from all tier setting for more chat times

[gentle cape]

idk if this goes here bc its abt the new protos or not but. wish me luck im gonna attempt to draw icedtoxin as this... i havent drawn in a year & a half on my phones.

[prime lantern]

Well knowing what happens next is a really powerful tool

Obviously not as powerful as all the hooplah the vex have going on but I mean odds are I can't really lose a roughly even fight if I know what happens next everytime

[obtuse gyro]

Not when I got this mystery mousekatool

||🔫 ||

[prime lantern]

It'd be likes suburus rbd

[prime lantern]

You shoot me and next time I also have a gun

Knowing happens next all the time let's me not have mystery mouskatools

[obtuse gyro]

There realistically for the infested isnt going to be a next time

If they change that event because of future knowledge theyre going to run into a bootstrap

[prime lantern]

Are you saying the infestation is rendered deterministic?

[obtuse gyro]

I am saying that they will be the first case of running headfirst into a bootstrap

And if that dude from Men in Black 3 is any indication, having sight of time isnt as much of an advantage

[prime lantern]

Never watched any mib movies

But i mean clairvoyance is an insanely strong ability

Hell it's why the quills are nearly unkillabe

Since you know everytime you almost have them cornered it's like they somehow knew you knew about the secret hiding hole and are no longer there

[balmy storm]

Except that one time but that was according to plan

[prime lantern]

Well that's why i said nearly

[balmy storm]

They only die if they must

[prime lantern]

Well i mean

[balmy storm]

I mean
In theory

[prime lantern]

Depends how far into the future they can see

[balmy storm]

Ye

[prime lantern]

If you can see 2 minutes into the future you arnt escaping a nuke unless you have a nuke bunker nearby

[balmy storm]

I’d say what the quills do and what the infested do are different
But
That determines on what the Unum is

[prime lantern]

But you can escape a mugging

[balmy storm]

I doubt she’s infested but with the new info of the infested having info from all the time they exist?

[prime lantern]

That

Is actually a pretty good point

https://tenor.com/view/rene-decart-decartes-i-think-i-am-i-think-gif-15000598568860120443

[obtuse gyro]

Basically the plot included this alien who had clairvoyance, issue is, he couldnt tell immediately where he was on the timeline, or which timeline for that matter

[prime lantern]

So your saying the infestation are blindfolded on a boat with a map of the entire ocean in there brain

Sure they can tell you where all the stuff is but they don't know where they are so it doesn't matter

[balmy storm]

I’m so happy we got some infested lore :]

[obtuse gyro]

It was a running joke in the movie where that alien would say that theyre either in a completelt innocuous situation, or are about to brutally get murdered, and it was only an incredibly small detail that would distinguish the two

[balmy storm]

They clearly can know when to act, see Temple being woken by Lizzie for the Night of the Naga Drums

They did specifically hop on a comet for that too though

[obtuse gyro]

Imo its like asking your windows drive to search for a file instead of using that Voidtools Everything Search Tool

[obtuse gyro]

But thats quite offline I would say

[balmy storm]

They didn’t just
Hide away in a part of the system then get woken up, they specifically took a ride on a comet that would arrive when the time was tight

[obtuse gyro]

Since it doesnt require a Nintendo subscription to the hivemind

[balmy storm]

LOL

Yeah
It’s more Lizzie just going “oh we close enough, let’s wreck some long armed freaks”

[prime lantern]

Which is a pretty interesting thing

I wonder if well ever learn the comets name

[balmy storm]

Do you think Lizzie came up with more songs while she waited?

[zealous latch]

I am lost in this chat temple rode a astroid?

[balmy storm]

Comet.

[obtuse gyro]

"Rockefeller Comet, named because theres a rocker who rocks fellas"

[balmy storm]

I hope if we get to see the night of the naga drums we’ll see Temple there

[zealous latch]

Ok a comet but as duck would say what . The . Balls . How ?

[balmy storm]

Don’t we have the beat of the drums in one of the songs?
I know there’s a lot of srums

[prime lantern]

Thats a pretty good question how are they gonna get to the comet

[balmy storm]

Flare hopped on, transformed into Temple, Lizzie woke them up when they arrived during the night of the naga drums

[balmy storm]

Probably Kaya

[prime lantern]

I doubt space travel is Comercially available

[balmy storm]

It def isn’t

[prime lantern]

Where the hell would Kaya get and make a rocket ship

[balmy storm]

No

[obtuse gyro]

Kaya and her comically long wormhole

[prime lantern]

Ah

[balmy storm]

Wormholes yeah lol

[prime lantern]

That would be an insane amount of precision

[balmy storm]

She’s smart enough

[obtuse gyro]

Kayas wormholes are already better than the ones we get to use ingame

[balmy storm]

Fact

[obtuse gyro]

Since they obviously dont require an LoS check for point to point

[jagged sable]

As for how Temple gets off the comet. I can see them jumping off and just landing on Pluto while jamming on their guitar.

[balmy storm]

Warframes are canonically more powerful than what we use in game iirc

[prime lantern]

So-so

Some are Some arnt

Some are just as powerful and the power they showed in lore also immediately killed them

[balmy storm]

Heck she gets us all the way from the round table to the garage without seeing it

[prime lantern]

Like inaros

[balmy storm]

Also from that rooftop to the mall of

[balmy storm]

Sand

[obtuse gyro]

Imagine when flare shows up at the pluto terminus and ballas both correctly and incorrectly assumes that Entrati was the one who built then

[balmy storm]

LOL

If they have the Riot, yeah probably

[prisma fox]

Just want to fanboy a bit, I'm such a Lizzie fan she is so cool. An extension of an incomprehensible solar-system-spanning hivemind that is trying her best to exist at our scale for her beloved, that's such an awesome concept and they executed it really well!

[junior vine]

This whole situation between Lizzie and Flare, did she like enslave him or something?

[covert tree]

No

Also flares a they

[wicked iron]

The thing I wonder about is the lack of air. We know Warframes need atmosphere, which is why Archwings have built-in life support. How would Flare/Temple survive on a random comet with no atmosphere or air?

[nova harness]

Well I’d assume considering it went fast the frame had enough time to not die from it just like how in TNW we don’t die straight away from lack of oxygen

[balmy storm]

Hibernation, my guess is Lizzie stayed awake while Flare went into a state of suspension
I think what I’m thinking of is what tardigrades can do

[balmy storm]

I mean frames shouldn’t die straight away from a lack of oxygen regardless

Clearly they need it to an extent but can def last longer than a normal human

[wicked iron]

Fast? The hibernation lasted at least centuries if not millennia, didn't it?

[balmy storm]

At least 10k years it sounds like

Notably the warframes can survive just fine on that one infested tileset with the “outdoor” or space portions whereas our tenno immediately start taking damage from the lack of air

[nova harness]

Assuming the Hollvania thing is correct

[balmy storm]

The thing Albrecht wrote?

[wicked iron]

Which thing?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Albrecht literally stated 10k years

[nova harness]

Charting history for 10k

[wicked iron]

Oh, cool. 😮 Where is that terminal or whatnot?

[balmy storm]

Its in the comic

[nova harness]

It’s from the comic

[wicked iron]

Wowza, it feels awesome that we finally have a partial actual timeline. Ohhhh, the comic. Gotcha.

The Hex one, or another?

[balmy storm]

This does seem to imply the Höllvanian government is the one behind Scaldra and O.R.O.

[wicked iron]

Ahh, but that doesn't be necessarily mean it's 10k years between that and the Night of the Naga Drums.

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure

[nova harness]

Actually what is 10 thousand years from 1999?

[wicked iron]

11,999.

[balmy storm]

Who knows how many years there are between Albrecht leaving and the night of the naga drums

We can add at least another thousand since we slept for about that long it seems for the current year
But that’s an estimate and we’re still missing the time-span between Albrecht leaving, the war being won and the Orokin genocide

I’d def argue roughly the year 13,000
Maybe with a couple hundred more added on

[nova harness]

I still wonder how Albrecht even knows about stuff he wasn’t there to witness and with nobody to tell him until us

[balmy storm]

Wish we knew how long the old war was

[balmy storm]

Pom-2

[wicked iron]

I think we slept longer than that. It was long enough for even the Corpus, who live many hundreds of years, to basically see us as mythology.

[balmy storm]

His funny magic PC that’s clearly been watching us

[nova harness]

Can his PC stop spying

[balmy storm]

It def sounds like at least 1k from what Varzia says
Since she likely went into cryosleep sometime after her encounter with Erra and woke up ~1k years later

[nova harness]

Actually his PC hasn’t wrote about any other events

Where’s Kalymos Sequence complete log

[balmy storm]

Yeah

Where’s the “The Drifter smooched some half warframes” portion smh

[wicked iron]

She didn't necessarily say she woke up 1k years later. That line felt more like a metaphor.

[balmy storm]

Possibly
With how much DE does not give exact times for stuff I can absolutely see that

At the very least we slept for a thousand years
likely more but it’s hard to know

[wicked iron]

I think the same for that 10k years line from Albrecht. Seems more like allegory than an actual given time.

[nova harness]

Drifter has met the Hex
The Hex have died
Drifter said no and changed their fate
Drifter has started dating the Hex
Drifter has let them move in

[balmy storm]

If we’re myth to the Corpus and they live well over 150 (which iirc is apparently young for them?) Then who knows how ling

[balmy storm]

albrecht when the void touched child expands their loop at the price of being shot

[balmy storm]

Could also be him lying to get in good with Hollvanian government and Scaldra

[wicked iron]

Not the child. In that case it's Drifter, so the adult. 😛

[balmy storm]

To Albrecht, they’re basically a child

Dude is oooold

[wicked iron]

I just want to talk to Kaya with my Operator, dang it all! And the rest of the Hex. I want to see their reactions to how wildly different Operator and Drifter are from each other, personality and experiences-wise.

[balmy storm]

And if the mara theory is correct they’re a child of the void

[wicked iron]

?

[nova harness]

Someone once tampered with the Orokin wiki entry to call Albrecht one of the 7 proving once again why the Archives is better

[balmy storm]

Same
I’d prefer different voicelines from our chosen partner if we play as the operator too

[balmy storm]

Mara Lohk
Possibly translates to Child of the Void

[wicked iron]

I also want to know if the Operator can Begin Again like Drifter from when they shared their power with the Drifter... Maybe Drifter's power also got shared.

[nova harness]

Probably not

[balmy storm]

Drifter has experience with timeloops, it’s likely the reason they had to go over the Operator

Heck Drifter has direct experience resetting a loop

[nova harness]

Lotus sent Drifter partly because Paradox stuff

[balmy storm]

Also cause
Child can’t date the protos

[nova harness]

And because Wally is angry

[wicked iron]

I don't want Drifter to be stronger than the Operator, honestly. All that we went through with our actual character shouldn't just be getting discarded. Drifter being a version of us is one thing, but we are still ultimately the Operator. I don't want muh boy getting left out and behind after everything. q_q

[balmy storm]

I don’t think they’re stronger, their strengths just differ due to their experiences

I really hope they expand on the Operator and maybe utilizing their void powers

[wicked iron]

Heck, that you can throw them away in The New War, the culmination of Operator and Lotus' story, kind of feels bad. That was the completion of their original story, and you can just leave it all to Drifter.

[balmy storm]

Heck, let us use some voidtongue

[nova harness]

Drifter is only stronger because Drifter had to gain weapon experience

[balmy storm]

I do like the Operator’s reasoning for that though
The Drifter is the one that saved her this time

[wicked iron]

Yeah, but it just feels right that we save her, since she saved us originally.

[balmy storm]

Physically stronger
In terms of void powers I would argue their strengths differ, Drifter has timeloop experience while the Operator has more experience with the Warframes and transference

[wicked iron]

We did too, in the Focus schools and learning to use all the Warframes and their weapons.

We arguably have way more weapons experience than Drifter.

[balmy storm]

We still have room for a 3 and 4 for our tenno’s abilities

[wicked iron]

Weapons training and actual combat experience.

[balmy storm]

We went to war
Drifter was stuck in a storybook

[nova harness]

Wasn’t the only reason the other 2 abilities show up because Drifter was introduced?

[balmy storm]

How does the Tenno not have PTSD
And if they do, how are we dealing with that
Other than
Repression ig

[nova harness]

Wasn’t the whole point of War Within we have PTSD?

Hence you know War Within

[wicked iron]

We've worked through it by this point, I think. Between the long sleep, the amnesia, and working through things as we came to remember them (like in War Within), I think we're okay as can be now.

[balmy storm]

In the new war Drifter has 3 abilities
In Duviri they have 4 (the Kaithe was added)
Their abilities aren’t even abilities, just tech for the most part, external tools

[nova harness]

Come on Wally give us 2 new ones

[balmy storm]

Who needs therapy when you have big naps and repression 😎

[nova harness]

I wonder if a person can actually become Apathetic after dying but living

[wicked iron]

They worked through it as they remembered it in The War Within, though.

[balmy storm]

That was about the Zariman though
I’m talking about the fact the Tenno went to war for an untold amount of time

Like yes we were in the second dream but that still had to have some impact

[nova harness]

Bad dreams exist

[balmy storm]

Bad dreams can still be triggering

We did also kill for so long and were at war for so long that to an extent we may have gone numb to it

Made peace with the fact we just have to kill some people

[nova harness]

I had a dream I was on the Zariman with the upside down sensation or whatever you’d call what Vertigo does with a train I had to grab an Amp

See Tenno dreams are scary

[balmy storm]

Plus the Tenno def mentally aged and matured to an extent despite their body being in cryosleep

[balmy storm]

I had a dream about Hollvania before we ever got any major teasers beyond whispers

I’m actually shocked at how much of the architecture matched up from my dream

[nova harness]

I once had a dream that the Sentients were fighting me in a parking lot and somehow I was losing and Wally was watching

[balmy storm]

classic Wally behavior

[nova harness]

Bro was definitely giving them some godly buffs or something

[wicked iron]

Or you were just fighting OG Sentients from when they first brought into the game, when they gained full immunity to damage types instead of resistance.

[tight pagoda]

If DE ever gives Operator a 3 and 4, what do you think the abilities would look like? Or rather, what sort of abilities would you like to see each class get? Or do you think they'd be more story relevant so all 5 schools just have the same 3&4?

[nova harness]

I swear I have never seen anyone use the abilities we have now

[tight pagoda]

Madurai and Unairu have a lot of practical usage, Zenurik is good for lower level players, but yeah, other than that it's mostly the passives

Like Vazarin invulnerability slings

[wicked iron]

I want my Kamehameha back.

Madurai void blast.

[wicked iron]

I definitely use them. Madurai powaaaaa!!!!

[nova harness]

lol

[wicked iron]

That 1 is awesome for just clean sweeping like crazy.

2 and 1 in combination are great for also getting back up.

[tight pagoda]

Unairu's a godsend if you don't have any form of armor stripping via your weapons or Warframes

Getting rid of shields is great too

[wicked iron]

I'm so glad that corrosive procs can fully strip armor now.

The simplified damage types for enemies is also perfect.

I hope we get more lore surrounding the focus schools at some point. Even visitable locations for where they were, or where new ones have been built.

[topaz nova]

Ok thanks y'all

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think school is meant in the literal sense

[wicked iron]

I just feel like there were training grounds and facilities for the different paths. Just makes sense in my head lol

[undone lodge]

The schools were just general ways of thought/philosophies, not specific tactics or anything

They might’ve had places to discuss them but probably not properly dedicated facilities

[wicked iron]

I just imagine the Orokin made the Tenno's training very structured.

[undone lodge]

The Tenno are the ones that founded the schools, no indication of Orokin involvement

[lofty girder]

Perhaps the Dax had some hand in iy

[ebon ore]

anybody else have that glitch where you just.. cant see extraction on the zariman?

[thick jolt]

Any chance you are doing a bounty and forgot about the bounty objective?

[gentle cape]

...i wonder why didnt the resident parents' mall dialogue change when you get to trusted w them...

i feel like itd have lessened how jarring & inconsistent their portrayals are between the kim chats & the mall dialogues...

[wicked iron]

I think they get new dialogues as they rank up. Old dialogues can still happen as well, though.

[rain otter]

The way to make sure all the old dialog from each rank happens is turn on "all conversations"

[gentle cape]

ik the dialogues change at like,, the highest level you get w them... but before that?? liked > trusted voicelines are the exact same (except for minerva having the new "velimir :))) enough w the cutesy ice crystals. :)))))" one)

meanwhile theyre being completely vulnerable w drifter in the kim chats

[fossil gazelle]

so i just started hidden messages, can i get a HINT on where to go (dont give me the solution)

[amber terrace]

I recommend you catch up on your mythology

[gentle cape]

hidden messages...??

[fossil gazelle]

the quest for mirage

[fossil gazelle]

too many potential places since there isnt an olympus, is it a planets moon?

(theres also not a valhalla)

nevermind im stupid

[gritty flume]

devstream 188 takes place at pax east on may, well that's gonna be a while…

though they seemed to promise big reveals there

i expect next devstream (187) going to be underwhelming again…

[balmy storm]

Mars has mount Olympus

[balmy storm]

Lmao I’m gonna be recovering from surgery while that happens

[edgy zodiac]

the LAST thing i was expecting when playing this game was hearing trent reznor singing but i am so here for it (doing whispers in the walls quest for the first time)

[gentle cape]

HAHAHA RIGHT!!! youll get to hear him & deftones in other osts (youll Know when you get to 1999)

(they aint subtle abt it.)

[edgy zodiac]

i love this game even more omg

[gentle cape]

ok its less actually him & more like. the osts are Very inspired by nin & deftones...

i shouldve worded it better mb

-# but youll probably share my sentiment of "this might as well have been made by nin" once you hear the osts.

[edgy zodiac]

either way i'm happy cuz NIN and deftones are so good

[tight pagoda]

"So yeah our next Warframe is Anansi, he's a spider-themed frame"

[balmy storm]

“The void trickster spider warframe”

I really wanna know what’s up with Anandi

Also love the homestuck reference in the credits for the arg
iykyk

[edgy zodiac]

were albrecht and loid, y'know... 💅?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[edgy zodiac]

that's what i assumed from the subtext, i just wanted confirmation lol

[tight pagoda]

There's a scene in 1999 that pretty much forgoes all the subtext when it comes to their relationship

nothing explicit, just a character talking about it

[edgy zodiac]

awwh that's adorable :3

[night grail]

You forgot to mention Pick a Side which is pretty clearly inspired by the Beastie Boys

[cosmic prawn]

As an aside, I think the next Frame will probably be Fem-presenting, since the last two have been Masc.

[balmy storm]

Temple is nonbinary

If anything the next one would be male if that’s how they’re doing it

Which they kinda just do whatever

From what I can tell they sometimes have a pattern of make, female alternating
But not all the time
And ofc nonbinary frames don’t fit into the. Well. Binary side of the pattern

Prime warframes do follow a specific pattern for the most part though
So
Def Yareli prime next

[cosmic prawn]

Temple is NB and masc-presenting.
One is their gender, one is their, shape I guess.

[balmy storm]

Idk, they seem pretty nonbinary overall to me lol

[cosmic prawn]

Otherwise, I broadly agree. I have a theory that the Prime release order was messed with so that Xaku wouldn't fall into an 'F' or 'M' slot.

[balmy storm]

I mean not messed with too much

The next one should be yareli regardless

[cosmic prawn]

Yareli being next makes the order F, M, NB, M, F, nice and symmetrical

[balmy storm]

Ye

[rain otter]

I mean they literally changed it so they could do this. It's not like MF and then 2 free slots.

pretty sure.

[novel jewel]

What's the condition for the "Detected Scaldra cache"? I was like, 40 kills into an exterminate when the timer started and I had to go through the entire map for 30 seconds left to find and use both keys, and I obviously failed. Is it just bad luck, or is there an invisible timer before it starts?

[hearty pendant]

afaik its unknown, sometimes i get the same situation you described, sometimes it triggers while i'm near the center of the search radius already

[gritty flume]

i wanna bet it's the latter somehow

the moment aoi / quincy told you there's scaldra cache thing, some sort of timer will start

[zenith jacinth]

It just works

[gentle cape]

...i think i made the wrong dialogue choice.

[nova harness]

They sure do

[leaden coral]

They are nonbinary

[echo gate]

so for me he is a he

[leaden coral]

DE said so on stream

[echo gate]

mhm

[leaden coral]

Dont care what you think mate they are they/them

[covert tree]

It's the fact your to stubborn to just use the damn pronouns it's really not that hard

[nova harness]

lol

[covert tree]

I can admit im brought to violence very easily

[nova harness]

Canonically accurate Warframe player

[covert tree]

Im very much (partially) joking

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-walking-away-walk-gif-24993317

[nova harness]

Was more fun watching KnightmareFrame get killed for it

[wicked iron]

https://c.tenor.com/6_NF2kANC8MAAAAC/explosion-explosion-walk-away.gif

I just want my Operator to get more chances to do story stuff. 😦

[indigo vector]

Did that first Rell quest.. rap tap tap had me thinking of 'shake shake shake senora' and I couldn't take it seriously at all.. 😂

[gentle cape]

...yk the funny thing abt these two, for me?? i expected i'd like to pick at velimir's brain & be obsessed w him (bc hes kinda the type of character i'd go for) but. no... no. its minerva. everything she says & does & her logic behind all of it is so.......... complex that you cant really fault her for anything, not entirely, simply bc vel is there. going toe to toe w her in terms of complexity.

the kim chats really, REALLY, dont do them any justice.

hi. sorry im gonna yap abt them for a bit... again.

[lofty girder]

Nah bud, spit yo fax

[gentle cape]

like. an example of this is the reason their relationship fell apart in the first place: the cracks were already there... but for someone who requires so much trust in what she does, minerva really doesnt trust her own family w anything—some situations are for a good reason (shes right in that being heroes wouldve probably gotten vel & neci killed and thus she omitted a whole lot abt scaldra from them even tho that meant these 2 wouldve probably saved more lives if they HAD been heroes), some others are not (she outright admitted she doesnt trust velimir to get anything done right simply bc she doesnt understand his methods. or even him) which... how do you even unpack this.

how do you unpack the fact that your own wife admitted she doesnt & probably has never trusted you...?

& its not even her fault for that distrust, not entirely, bc yeah velimir messed up A Lot—the biggest one being that he let neci join a cult... despite knowing some bad things abt them. and theres probably a lot more cases where minerva did have to pick up the slack...

& rhis is already getting long...

[nova harness]

Operator was in Jade Shadows while Drifter was in 1999 Whispers (optionally) and Lotus Eaters for like 5 seconds Operator has been doing story stuff

[wicked iron]

I just care more about doing stuff with my Operator than Drifter, really lol

[nova harness]

You can do that though

Operator has still been in more quests than Drifter

[wicked iron]

We can't interact with the Hex in any way as the Operator, not even Kaya when she is in the present.

Even with the Operator in the present, she talks to you like you're the Drifter.

[nova harness]

Well Operator and Drifter do share the same body

[wicked iron]

Not really, no. They share the same "space/time" in reality, but they have their own bodies.

[nova harness]

Quinn also mentions 2 Void Silhouettes

It is a banner hulk type thing

[zenith jacinth]

That's not the same as being is the same body

[nova harness]

Quinn: "We've both been gifted a second chance. I perceive two Void silhouettes within you. Do you wonder which is the real one?"

[gentle cape]

but its like... this distrust didnt come out of nowhere for her. this impulse to control things, situations, or even outright people, didnt come out of nowhere for her.

yeah we dont know what shes been through as a child, we dont know her backstory or anything other than her existence in this specific time period (90s)... but shes a woman, probably born in the 70s or 80s (since she describes herself as "old" in the 90s + the cold war ended in 1991) & has a military background. mind you, those two centuries were Not a good time for women in america.

so she grew up in a rough time. she grew up having to control things just to prove herself worthy of people's respect for her mere existence, let alone her skills.

so when someone doesnt do what she tells them to do? when someone doesnt take her seriously like she wants them to? when someone acts the same way velimir does? minerva lashes out. she tries to wrestle that control back (despite the fact that she never lost it in the first place, not w velimir, but she doesnt Feel that way, she doesnt See it that way)—we see her do this w the drifter in the first kim chats.

shes in a constant state of go go go & she has... no idea how to turn that off. she forgot how to simply just... be. to trust in others, to forgive, to... not be in a constant state of anxiety.

(the fact that she lost her kid doesnt help any of this. like, at all.)

basically!!! she has ocd... or more like: im hitting her w the ocd beam bc girl same 🤝

...if you ever see me talk abt them again in here, just know its gonna be abt velimir bc. he makes me feel just as insane as minerva does. they really do deserve each other.

[wicked iron]

Yeah, this is what I was saying. They don't share the same body, but the same spot in reality, basically. XD

[wicked iron]

No, not that.

We don't transform. One is in the Void while the other is in real space.

Then they swap.

Not a transformation, but an exchange of who is in that Void pocket and who is in physical reality.

[nova harness]

At least the other gets a view

[arctic agate]

which means that while drifter is galavanting about in the year 1999, they occupy a different part of spacetime to the operator, who is helping out stalker, is what i get from that

[nova harness]

Pretty much

[feral cipher]

I want my operator to bomb relays 🥰

What happened with the temple argument ?

[rain otter]

Not a conversation.

Or even argument.

It's just a fact of the character.

[balmy storm]

Real

[feral cipher]

Let me guess they refused to use temple’s pronouns thinking they (as in the user) is built different

[undone lodge]

Yeah

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[feral cipher]

Did I say something bad ?

[undone lodge]

They were the anti-Vi, if you will

[rain otter]

No

[undone lodge]

…wait did Vi talk in here or just the Orokin Archive server?

[feral cipher]

K good

[balmy storm]

I don’t recall them being in the archive server

[undone lodge]

I might be thinking of screenshots

And not actual messages

[balmy storm]

I think you are

[gentle cape]

...do yall think the resident parents will be disturbed to learn that the drifter's baby sibling other version is a child soldier or??

not just a child soldier but basically a war criminal too...

[wicked iron]

War crimes didn't exist in the Old or New wars.

[balmy storm]

I mean they exist by today’s standards but not by origin system standards

[thick jolt]

Yknow, with the idea of the orokin erasing history it finally clicked why we call it origin system instead of solar system

Tho it is funny how the names for sol and lua were kept but the system wasnt

Guess they decided to take ownership of it, what with making lua their capital

[wicked iron]

Other things of history were kept, too. Records of old animals and flora, for instance.

[balmy storm]

Remnant from dualism

[night grail]

We powercept Vi no way

[gentle cape]

.......yeah i need an individual reset bc. (cat crying.png)

[clear sparrow]

"Youth." Lady, we are hundreds of years old at this point. Compared to us, you are an infant.

[tight pagoda]

Technically we're not born yet and by the time we are, they're ancient history

I mean obviously several thousands years worth of looping in Duviri might have that topped

[gentle cape]

lemme go see if i can. salvage any of this........... i dont want them to break up

[tight pagoda]

I... think this chat was your last chance...

[jagged sable]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[gentle cape]

man...... theyre the ones i looked forward to talking to the most...

[jagged sable]

couples counseling is a difficult thing to do.

[gentle cape]

im just terrible at reading emotions through texts...

[balmy storm]

You could always use the kimulacrum if you need help

[gentle cape]

i cant even go afk in the mall beside them now.

[gentle cape]

wheres the fun in that??

but yeah individual resets would be a nice qol for kim chats

[balmy storm]

Needing help isn’t always fun

[crystal agate]

honestly I managed to fix velmin\ and I'm not even sure how

I just picked all the options that talked back to minerva

[gentle cape]

idek how i messed it up...

[crystal agate]

I think the key is to make them talk about neci instead of each other

or reminisce about the good things in their past

I remember most of the positive chats about being about those

[gentle cape]

...well. i chose the "remember" option in the reset so

time to wait for weeks for the other reset

hmmmmmngjdbfjsnfnnsndnr

MAN THEYRE HARD TO TALK TO

[solid badge]

got this from Flare after like 2 weeks worth of convos is he hinting at a easter egg? PS it also came with Lizzie as a shawzin

[thick jolt]

No just DE tying loose ends

Basically it is saying they will be there in time for when the tenno revolt against the orokin

[solid badge]

makes sense, my brain was hurting trying to figure out if i needed to play a certain song on Lizzie while Octavia's abilities were active or something lol

[thick jolt]

Lol

[solid badge]

NGL actually tried it for like 30min on the terminus mission

[balmy storm]

They

[wild wind]

guess that confirms that all protoframes were made using the original Warframe serum. Kinda hilarious that Temple's a straight time paradox though.

[real niche]

We already knew they were made from an altered Warframe processes from Albrecht

[obtuse gyro]

Wouldnt really say that temple is a paradox tho

Like the email implies otherwise

Because we are told that ballas was too afraid to build temple, which implies he had the design. If the design exists, then albrecht could take it to 1999 and use it on flare. Badabing badaboom, Temple as we know them is born. Then all versions of temple we subsequently make are off flare's version

[honest nymph]

So, Kaya got out of 1999 somehow

[real niche]

"Somehow" like her entire KIM logs aren't literally about her trying to figure it out

[balmy storm]

I think the only unexplained thing is how Ballas obtained the design, but scans of the comet or it being revealed through the infestation are likely explanations I think

[obtuse gyro]

I would say ballas didnt obtain it, he made the original one, like warden to revenant

[wise swallow]

Hello. So I'm new to the server... I actually came to check the server out and to get some help with the KIM conversations with Minerva and Velimir, that's why I chose to talk in this chat, so it won't risk spoiling their conversations for other people. I've been trying to figure out ways to get the Best Friends status with them for some days but I can't find a consistent "guide". The best thing I could find was the Kimulacrum browse (not posting the link, afraid of rulebreaking), where I checked the flowcharts... So... What does the flowchart mean with the "boolean checks"? Do they all need the be true so I can fix their marriage and get the best friend status?

[balmy storm]

So he made a design, the infestation warped it into temple and he was like “nah too rebellious” and shelved it?
Is that what you’re saying?

[obtuse gyro]

You dont need all the booleans to be active, you just need to make sure you trigger the boolean for them to go on a date, and avoid the boolean for them being apart

[obtuse gyro]

No, he made a design, went "too rebellious", shelved it, and then entrati nabbed it, put it into Theyvid Bowie, Theyvid Bowie turns it into what it is, rides to the future on a rock

[balmy storm]

Oooh okay
I think I understand now
Thank you Bau

I love auto correct

[obtuse gyro]

You unbranded now

[balmy storm]

I unbrand it all now

[wise swallow]

So like... I should activate the booleans MinervaVelimir, for example? I assume they are related to their relationship..

[obtuse gyro]

Pretty much

You need them to talk about each other and their issues

[wise swallow]

Alright, I'll make sure to follow the charts... Thanks Bau

[bronze glen]

What's the lore reason that Mesa's peacemaker can shoot through the rift?

Maybe her bullets hit her targets no matter the plane of existence?

@obtuse gyro Lore Sensei, what do you think?

[obtuse gyro]

Not a sensei, but theres no lore reason really

[bronze glen]

Then I'll think of it exactly like that

If she targets you, she will hit you

[obtuse gyro]

Abilities work through rift plane because otherwise it would be an inconvenience, and thats just gamepla7

[bronze glen]

Naaaaaaah duuuuuude, Mesa shoots through DIMENSIONS

[steep totem]

Void bullets
Not a difficult explanation

[bronze glen]

Hell yeah

[prime lantern]

Some would disagree

[obtuse gyro]

What, theyd rather have their abilities blocked by a dash happy limbo?

[prime lantern]

No i mean with saying abilities going through the rift is just gameplay

I had an argument earlier where some guy kept saying i said limbo was a god and beyond time and space or something

[steep totem]

I was there for that argument, and that wasn't what they were saying
unfortunately, dimensional concepts can be quite strange and convoluted (and i dont have a firm grasp on them myself), so let's not start this up again

[gentle cape]

...yk. since i got the skin: i dont see how velimir's lines are jokes—witty one-liners? sure........... but thats it. idk maybe its bc of the va

like..... idk why the va makes him sound so angry—theres this. grittiness to vel's voice even when hes saying his stupid one liners...

he kinda sounds like wolverine actually...

[wicked iron]

Wolverine is Canadian, in fairness.

[gentle cape]

libertatia is both canada & america?

or is his va canadian??

[obtuse gyro]

No

Catana is canada

Or canata however its spelt

Aoi is from there

[gentle cape]

oh his va also voiced leon!! ..............yeah now that i think abt it vel does kinda have the same witty one liners as a resident evil character

[glad kraken]

Albrecht Entrati the goat

[balmy storm]

WAIT WHAT

[gentle cape]

YEAH!! re2, re4, & re: infinite darkness movie

[balmy storm]

:O

[rain otter]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[balmy storm]

Goat of nothing

He isn’t great, not even good

[glad kraken]

The Goat

[glad kraken]

Exactly, he's a scientist, not great

Bro made Void what it is

It is what it is

[rain otter]

Nah. So many of our allies wanna kill him.

[glad kraken]

"allies"

[rain otter]

Not true. Made it travelable.

[glad kraken]

Exactly, he made nothing become something

[rain otter]

I would call people that help is do literally anything in 1999 and the cavia as allies.

[rain otter]

No? It was already something

They just couldn't travel to it kuva comes from the Void.

[glad kraken]

Void, a dimension with no time and space. Basically nothing

[glad kraken]

Exactly, because if it don't have nothing, not even time

[rain otter]

It's still that. Also it's not no time or space it's different time.

Also the space only happrns when it's acted upon.

[glad kraken]

Without the accident of Albrecht Goat Entrati, getting in the void, and giving it thoughts, emotions and the ability to feel. It was nothing more than a useless dimesion

[glad kraken]

Tell me what different time that you can't travel through time is, nothing basically.

[glad kraken]

And who discovered it? Albrecht Entrati

The other orokins, after the discover of Void, started the search but no result was good enough, because those bih orokins wasn't Albrecht

[rain otter]

Kuva literally came from it. Lua always had void whatever it's called. So your wrong.

[glad kraken]

Albrecht and Ballas, the ones who made everything

[rain otter]

Ballas made nothing

[glad kraken]

The reason of it, it's because Void have biomes.

[rain otter]

He was a cockroach.

[glad kraken]

Albrecht Entrati's daughter and the drifter, who made Duviri, a Biome inside the void

[rain otter]

A whiny child.

[glad kraken]

He made the Warframes

[rain otter]

No he didn't.

[glad kraken]

He did

[rain otter]

Margulis and The Infested scientists did.

[glad kraken]

Tô be honest, the Helminth with Albert whi made the Warframes

[rain otter]

We literally know the lore for this.

Ballas Is a liar.

He never tells the truth ever.

[glad kraken]

Who were the Infested Scientist? Albrecht Entrati

[rain otter]

No

[glad kraken]

Exactly

[rain otter]

It was a archemdian. I forget her name talked about in the titina quest.

[glad kraken]

What's the name of him? Albrecht Entrati

[rain otter]

Albretch not a archemedian.

[glad kraken]

Anyway, Albrecht Entrati it's still the goat of all

Trindade it's going to Delta now, nice to meet you @rain otter

[rain otter]

I disagree. Also you only talked about the good.

[glad kraken]

[rain otter]

Also I agree with it way more than anything about Ballas.

[glad kraken]

I don't care. Also I do talk about the good.

[rain otter]

The whiny baby man that thinks everything is not his fault.

[rain otter]

We literally have multiple characters on our side that want to kill him.

Cuz of what he put them through I feel like we should care.

Tagfer is the last of his kind and his wife died. All of the protos where manipulated and even made to spread the techrot more.

Even Arthur who is level headed really hated Albretch and what he did.

[glad kraken]

Your side, not mine

[rain otter]

They are on your side THEY ARE HOW YOU GET AND SURIVIE IN 1999.

YOU HAVE TO BE FRIENDS WITH THEM CUZ EVEN ALBRETCH SAYS TO

[glad kraken]

They hate because they're not the goat Albrecht, I like Albrecht because he wants to destroy The Indifference, and why he loves Loid

[glad kraken]

Nah I survive 1999 because I was born 2000

[rain otter]

He loves loid but he's really really bad at it.

[glad kraken]

That's the whole point of love isn't it?

[rain otter]

no?

[glad kraken]

Oh no, big texts

[rain otter]

i'm good at it.

you might be bad at it not me.

[glad kraken]

Nice

[chilly pine]

he also wants you to fix his mistake(s) instead of fixing them himself

[rain otter]

also that.

[glad kraken]

I'm good at it too, I even made a whole Warframe for my bf

[rain otter]

oh

very nice.

I won't say anything like that isn't cool and nice it is.

[glad kraken]

I would do the same thing if I had a guy with void powers to destroy a void entity, he's the smart one

[balmy storm]

Not on purpose lol

[glad kraken]

Bro I'm just rage baiting here, I understand why you like the Hex

[chilly pine]

except youre the one who ultimately made him, and is the whole reason hes here to begind with

[rain otter]

why?

[glad kraken]

I had to watch whole 9 hours of Warframe lore

[rain otter]

You didn't have to.

[glad kraken]

To understand why Albrecht is doin that

[rain otter]

also that's like a drop in a bucket.

[glad kraken]

?

[balmy storm]

Not a good video for the lore tbh

[glad kraken]

Say with another words, I don't know English that hood

[glad kraken]

Gonna send you

[balmy storm]

99% of loretubers are not that reliable.

[rain otter]

simple answer Wally scare him wally want bad things. Albretch scared go to 1999.

[balmy storm]

No, I know the video.

[rain otter]

i like the video.

[balmy storm]

I know what I’m talking about :p

[glad kraken]

You dont

[rain otter]

But I want a good video.

[balmy storm]

I do but ok

[glad kraken]

At least the Brazilians loretubers, they do a great job

Because they show you every piece of info and where you get them, so you can even make your own study of the lore of Warframe

[chilly pine]

reminds me of the guy who runs orokin archive

[glad kraken]

I love Warframe lore, more about Albrecht because his story is so nice

[balmy storm]

Sources are importance
Theories are dangerous
That’s the problem with loretubers

[rain otter]

Well Trindade said Brazilain so maybe.

[glad kraken]

I am Brazilian too

[balmy storm]

Maybe

[glad kraken]

Where I can send you the video? Because you definitely don't know the guy and you'rent brazilian

[balmy storm]

But I don’t really have time to watch a 9 hour long video about things I know :p

[balmy storm]

I’m fine

[glad kraken]

This other one it's a playlist, 1h30 total

It's live 5 videos of 30 minutos

Something like that

Btw he use English subtitles

[balmy storm]

Again, I don’t have the time for that rn

I struggle with subtitles so that’s not gonna be an option if he doesn’t speak in english only

It’s a physical limitation, makes it difficult at times

[glad kraken]

The goat wouldn't make excuses

[balmy storm]

It’s not an excuse but go off

[glad kraken]

I love Albrecht Entrati, and his obsession to destroy The Man In The Wall

[balmy storm]

I mean Albrecht is factually a bad person trying to stop a worse thing

[glad kraken]

Exactly

But Warframe lore make us, the players, really think he's just a villain

He isn't, he's more like Doctor Doom

[balmy storm]

Who is a villain

[glad kraken]

Btw, the name of the Brazilian guy, it's Vinoncion

[glad kraken]

No he's a Rapper

Mf Doom

[balmy storm]

Also Albrecht is very much so a mixed bag
We both must work with him but he’s also a horrible person

[chilly pine]

entrati strikes me as being closer to magneto than doom tbh

[balmy storm]

He justifies the ends to his means no matter what they may be
That’s dangerous

[glad kraken]

The operator is a horrible person too

[balmy storm]

Not like Albrecht

[glad kraken]

Good comparation

[glad kraken]

That's the point, both are horrible.

But the fact that we control "the good guy" make ourselves think we the good ones

[chilly pine]

issue with operator, and even drifter to a lesser extent is that theyre also a victim in this

[balmy storm]

The Operator had their situation forced upon them as a child, they didn’t have a say in their fate, in the people they’ve killed, the responsibility they bare
And to an extent Albrecht doesn’t either, but he’s still an Orokin with an Orokin mentality to the situation

[glad kraken]

If you see what Albrecht saw

You would understand why he's doing allat

[balmy storm]

He issues our help because he can not do it himself

I do see :p

[glad kraken]

Nah, he's more a insane guy than a orokin

[balmy storm]

The Tenno are a victim
Albrecht is not

[glad kraken]

That's why he and our operator are the goats

[glad kraken]

Yes, Albrecht is goat

[balmy storm]

He isn’t

[glad kraken]

By the way, I'm still curious why The Man In The Wall, only appeared after Albrecht joined the void without protection

[chilly pine]

i think the first time the tenno had any kind of freedom was the night of the naga drums, which admittedly yes was a nasty event but also, the orokin did kinda have it coming imo

[balmy storm]

Doing horrible things to stop a greater evil doesn’t negate the horrible things
He is not the greatest of all time, he’s a man trying to fix his mistake at all costs

[glad kraken]

Search everything he did, definitely the goat

[gentle cape]

not really,,, theyre a child soldier who woke up one day to find out that nothing's changed after they brought down an oppressive empire... if anything: things got Worse(tm)

[balmy storm]

Definitely not

[balmy storm]

They absolutely had it coming after everything they did

[glad kraken]

Fix his mistakes, it's the reason he's the goat, he would be a horrible person if he just let the circus burn

[gentle cape]

oh yes bc experimenting on innocent ppl & turning them into infested humans is definitely a goated thing to do!! /sarc

[glad kraken]

Exactly

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus is wally

[gentle cape]

........ok youre trolling

[glad kraken]

Who the hell is Lotus?

[balmy storm]

He’s still a horrible person, he’s hurting everyone in the circus to prevent it from burning
He is not a good person

[gentle cape]

.......

[glad kraken]

Nah, I'm just saying Albrecht is the goat, and people don't agree.

[gentle cape]

uh huh. go learn who the lotus is first please.

[zenith jacinth]

You. You are good.

[glad kraken]

Anyway, I gotta go guys, I have job interviews to go tomorrow

[chilly pine]

just going to leave this reply here

[glad kraken]

Hope you guys one day understand

Why Warframe is the peak lore

Of all time

[balmy storm]

We won’t 😊

[gentle cape]

we know why. gl w the interview!!

[balmy storm]

Warframe do be peak tho

[zenith jacinth]

Warframe has the best lore in all of gaming

[glad kraken]

I hope so, play a lot of Warframe is make me insane these days, started to hear the Indifference in my dreams

[jagged sable]

Albrecht's......"trying" but not well.

Like....You ever see a villain who is just so hilariously bad at being evil that those sad attempts at being evil just come off as endearing?
Think opposite of that and you get Albrecht. That's my take anyway.

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait for Albrecht to die

[glad kraken]

10 years of peak, and they don't mistake one

[jagged sable]

ooo he's the anti-doofenschmirtz!

[zenith jacinth]

I will now start calling albrecht dr ztrimhcsnefood

[balmy storm]

No way he gets out of this

[gentle cape]

what ducky said

[glad kraken]

I can't wait for The Indifference to die

[jagged sable]

I love how we both thought the same thing right around the same time.

[chilly pine]

doof also immediately came to mind

[glad kraken]

He probably just like "Yeah I'm going to the woods" and then more 4 years of protoframes

Yo I have a question

What about the On-Lyne band?

Are they Liches now?

[chilly pine]

the coda liches we face are just infested copies, i think its mentioned the actual band is fine

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

As fine as a boy band under an abusive manager can be

[chilly pine]

yep, yay capitalist greed

[zenith jacinth]

Capitalism ☕

[balmy storm]

Well as fine as a boy-band stuck in 1999 while an infested plague is everywhere in their city can be yeah-

[glad kraken]

I like warframe 1999 because it remembers me of Mike Pondsmith cyberpunk universe

And how everything that happens, it's not always a good ending, and the good ending look like an illusion

[prime lantern]

No it doesn't

It makes it very clear he is an anti hero

As he puts it himself if he must be a demon let him be an honest demon
Purpose to leave such blazing foot prints that no unclean thing would dare walk in them

[glad kraken]

Who are you?

[prime lantern]

Mediocre

[glad kraken]

Make sense

[prime lantern]

Sometimes bvf delta othertimes John toxocyst

[glad kraken]

?

[prime lantern]

You asked who am I all 3 of those are names I go by on varied platforms

[glad kraken]

?

Be careful, Selene is watching🌛

I like how Rell dealt with The Indifference too

[prime lantern]

Anywho identity aside albretchs notes make it very clear he is an anti hero his goal is stopping wally at any cost because wally likely is not planning on having a tea party when he gets his finger back

He will kill people if it's necessary no more no less

[glad kraken]

I love how The Indifference just want to rematch with Albrecht

[prime lantern]

Interesting

[glad kraken]

Do you remember how Albrecht description when he got inside the void?

He felt his mind being stole, and a copy of himself looking at him

He thought he wasn't himself, and by the way, Albrecht Entrati actual body, it's because he doesn't want to make the Transference, because even himself thinks he's not the true Albrecht

The way the public of Warframe see Albrecht, it's like cyberpunk fans see Yorinobu Arasaka, they not the villain of Warframe, just the secret hero of the story

[prime lantern]

He stopped partaking in continuity

[glad kraken]

But anyway, no one cares