spoiler-chat

[woeful patio]

Something i imagine being the most closest thing we can have of the neuroptics

Xaku chassi being almost human but at same time not

The waist also being something curious

But i also wonders what is that goddamn ball

[scarlet basalt]

1999 bring 6 boss ?
Please Rusalka boss fight so we have 7 boss fight

[woeful patio]

I mean if i can fight the female vor from scaldra

I can fix her.

Different of the other vor

[sinful matrix]

is this a spoiler

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl with the path they're choosing, i fear that we're going to have MGR reference with rusalka 😭

[wild copper]

no, but it is far too spooky

[tight pagoda]

"Doktor, turn off my pain inhibitors" while fighting Arthur (who, from day one of his reveal, has been called Jetstream Sam)

[ebon ore]

@open stag

okay so kuva liches.. im not gonna get into the lore of them, but basically theyre enemies who you hunt through different planets

you kill requiem murmurs, get your three symbols (obtained through requiem relic missions and which can be placed on your parazon), then do a finisher on the lich (who has to choose to appear in a lich mission) to see if your symbol combination is correct. you have to get the order of the symbols right or itll fail the execution, and the lich will move to the next planet (leveling up and consequently getting harder to fight)

to obtain the kuva lich, you go to a grineer node 30 or higher and kill enemies until your screen flashes yellow. then, you have to kill 25-ish enemies within a small time frame and the lich will spawn. itll have a weapon above its head that you can see. if you dont want it, then you simply ignore the lich and try again. if you do, you do the finisher on it and summon it

these kuva weapons have base elemental stats, influenced by the frame you choose to play. for example, frost is cold and ember is heat

sisters of parvos are near identical, except you go into corpus missions and find a golden parvos hand. you place a token in the hand's terminal, then kill at least 25 enemies inside the area it sucks you into. the sister will spawn, you knock her down and from that point on its identical to liches

i may have explained this like an absolute goober, so i can find a youtube video for you instead if youd like

i can also link the different elemental status of each warframe, and the best element to have on each kuva/tenet weapon

[open stag]

So bunch of RNG and continous slaughter that only gets you a shiny weapon that changes elemental dmg based on your frame?

[ebon ore]

..

yes :D

also gives you a ton of kuva and the possibility of ephemeras. you can also befriend the sisters or liches and they'll appear in your missions to help you randomly

they can also be turned into railjack crewmates if befriended, so long as you have level.. 7 i think? on the crew upgrade tab

[open stag]

God I feel so lost in this game

[ebon ore]

thats completely fair

im lucky enough to have a mr L2 and L4 to help me through most of this stuff, but god this game would be so confusing without them lol

[open stag]

I assume that doing all of that

is just barely scratching the surface of everything else I must do

[ebon ore]

ehh.. ehhh? kinda?

theres a lot of stuff you missed most likely, but if youve finished the entire story and side quests, then kuva liches and sisters of parvos are accessible to you

you may want to upgrade your railjack a bit, since confronting the sister/lich happens in a planets proxima, but 9 times outta 10 youll just find somebody already confronting theirs

therefore, you can mooch off of em :D i know i do

[open stag]

So to do the main thing properly I'd need to do extra levels of upgrading to manage it by myself

[ebon ore]

probably, but its more so just upgrading your frame to handle level 60-90 enemies

hunting liches is pretty easy, and there tends to be at least one other person doing the missions you need to do

[open stag]

Now I will put this politely, is there other options to get stronger or is this the definition of the stepping stone to reach higher

[ebon ore]

hmmm.. its definitely a stepping stone, and its what i used to get into steel path. you could also finish the entire starmap, get into steel path, and do steel path duviris circuit for incarnon weapons

have you done base duviri story at all? idk when that came out so

[open stag]

No clue

all I know, is that I did all of the main story quests and all the side quests

[ebon ore]

so you probably have it unlocked

itll show up like this on your navigation page

each week, you can choose one warframe and 2 incarnon weapons (or riven mods/10k kuva) to farm for. the warframe is regular circuit, and the incarnons are steel path

[open stag]

Oh that big icon

[ebon ore]

mhm

[open stag]

I've done the main story of that one, I think

[ebon ore]

thats all you need to get into circuit

you just click on the icon, click circuit, then you pick the frame you wanna farm for and do the mission. each wave (different gamemode that you play through) gives you progress on the meter

this meter resets on sundays at like.. 6pm cst maybe? smthn like that

then you get to pick a new frame and new incarnon weapons. theres a set rotation for these you can find on the wiki

like i said earlier, sorry if im explaining any of this confusingly. theres plenty of youtube videos that explain it better if you need those instead :)

[open stag]

Ooo, so I went into the circuit and see saryn, vau and nova

[ebon ore]

mhm

sad thing is, youd have to farm the whole thing within like 8 hours today

and it takes.. a while. theres a reason its a weekly reset and not a daily one

[open stag]

thats doable

[ebon ore]

if you think you can do it, you should def try to. its a good source of warframe blueprints

[open stag]

so which one should I pick?

[ebon ore]

whichever one you dont have. novas really good rn tho, and easy to mod

[open stag]

I heard saryn is just one of those "Will forever be one of the best" type of frames

[ebon ore]

thats true.

vauban is hard to farm naturally as well

they all have their pros

ultimately, its up to you. i cant definitively give you a best one to pick, since im not well versed in frames and the ways to get their parts lol

[bitter crystal]

why is there a Blood in Orokin Towers walls? something red like blood

[zenith jacinth]

The unum is made of flesh, that is tower kuva

Temple*

[bitter crystal]

u mean the Orokin Towers walls made of bio-logical remains?

of deads?

[zenith jacinth]

No, it's grown

[bitter crystal]

like wherever i find broken Orokin wall there is Rd liquid on it like bleeding

[zenith jacinth]

The orokin were kinda weird and grew a lot of structures

Orokin towers are basically living things, but only the unum has a conciousness

[bitter crystal]

Growing towers? like made them bio-logical beings?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[bitter crystal]

but they dont do anything as a living thing,

[zenith jacinth]

They're just inherently made of meat

It's possible that they all produce temple kuva too, but we've only seen the unum do that so far

[bitter crystal]

so that's a real blood

[zenith jacinth]

Kuva

[bitter crystal]

ayo this red material is the old blood (Kuva) then

[zenith jacinth]

Looks like blood, tastes like blood, sometimes called blood, but isn't really blood

[bitter crystal]

well dont know about how it tastes xd

thx for info sweetie

[zenith jacinth]

There is a mention that it tastes metallic in the cephalon fragments iirc

Now I wonder if the orokin-made stuff on venus also contains meat...

[undone lodge]

Maybe instead of meat, those ones are mushrooms

[scarlet basalt]

I love eating meat from the flesh tower !!!!

[thick jolt]

Btw the tower itself indicates to the ostrons where to harvest so that other parts can regenerate

The ostrons then sell what they harvest

[scarlet basalt]

oh wait they sell those ?
Make sense why we see them in orb vallis's factory

[thick jolt]

Yeah as much as we joke about eating tower meat the glass fish fragments dont talk about eating tower meat as far as i remember

Instead they sell it

[scarlet basalt]

But they get gilded lung from eating the tower flesh ? Or it's only when harvesting ?

Tbh i always thought that the stench of the meat tower was so horrible that they do soup with it lmao

[thick jolt]

Usually you dont want food to go to the lungs lol

[scarlet basalt]

oh yeahh it's said that gilded lung is from the gold dust when you explode the unum for her flesh

[simple python]

Probably. There's some Platlet-esque stuff going on with some of the Orokin Tower Derelicts in RJ too

Little Big like "Muscle Tissue Combs" on exposed siding of some of the shattered/destroyed towers.

If I visit it later, I'll take a few pics.

[zenith jacinth]

Good point

[lunar terrace]

anyone Elses Archimedean Yonta's "trade for Voidplumes" menu just borked? (like it says "updated wares (like in first screenshot but then its just... Empty (no matter how many times i reload it or reload the Zarimen)

(thought i'd ask it here bcuz Zarimens a post New-war thing so yeah xd)

NVM appearently it fixed after i went to the "Trade lua thrax plasm" menu (nothing else fixed it)

[timid plaza]

hey guys. warframe 1999 gonna be a completely new game?

[scarlet basalt]

no
Seems to be like sanctum anatomica
-Procedurally generated map
-Underground/Ground map
-6 boss fight added (maybe 7 if rusalka is added as a boss fight)
-hex syndicate
-an entire new faction that is only in 1999
-Oldest infestation known to us (+ new ennemies)
-story after WITW/Lotus eater
-Weather system (4 weather ofc)

[cobalt scroll]

Yeah it kinda like Duviri but bigger

[timid plaza]

oooohhh yeah

[thick jolt]

However no open world

[tiny ibex]

I saw the weather picture but did they actually confirm it's a thing?

[fading current]

Yea they did

[tiny ibex]

that's great

[fading current]

Super excited. Getting closer and closer!!

[scarlet basalt]

seems that there's no open world but will spam side objectives ?
Would make much more sense for 1999 with everything about it

[balmy storm]

1999 will def be just like the Zariman and the Labs

Which ngl is better than jumping into another open world

If they do another one I hope they mix things up again like Duviri, I love the ones we have but they can get repetitive

[scarlet basalt]

I think more like the labs
SInce they will go to their root gameplay it make much sense that there would be events that can be activated like how labs can summon a whispers or "secrets"
Tho i feel like 1999 sounds like a gamble for DE bcz yes they've shown cool and all... But will there be a reason to return after getting all of the things ? Jade ascension i feel like could get the same problem bcz you get everything and there's no poitn to return as you could just trade for the arcanes,etc...
Nvm there's the infested liches 😭
well how about scaldra tho 🤔 ? Like we aren't just going to focus on infested liches...Right?

[balmy storm]

Yes, the labs are very similar to the Zariman too lol
Its the same formula and I’m here for it cause its good rn

Also I’ll def be returning just for the vibe if nothing else

Cause 1999 is a major vibe

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think they're going to add fissure to these units... Would be cool to see that tho for more omnia

OHhh also maybe 1999 may go deeper on crossfire mission ? Maybe showing more about it,better dmg scaling,system,etc... ? "Fixing nyx" in some ways

[balmy storm]

Oooo crossfire would be perfect for 1999!

[scarlet basalt]

If they fix Ai vs AI dmg it also mean that they would either buff the health of excavator,grineer squad (deimos),latrox une (deimos),etc... or something else ngl

[balmy storm]

Or a new mix on it

[scarlet basalt]

I think they may try to fix it in some ways bcz Nyx is the only frame that need that type of dmg...Which coincidentally going to get reworked

[balmy storm]

Also I agree that no fissures

Presently that doesnt make sense yet

[balmy storm]

Nyx can deal damage

She can armor strip anything at the push of a button

[scarlet basalt]

Her 1 is pretty...Ehhh sadly

[balmy storm]

Yeah I’m not talking about her 1

Her 2 just strips all defenses on enemies, including liches

The best things about Nyx are her 2 and her 4 (when you have her augment…)

[scarlet basalt]

I think it's going to be mainly like trinity, better stats, feels better
And her 4 may just be completly be removed for something else 😭

I wouldn't be surprised if they will try through 1999 to rework dmg of AI vs AI
This may be something for the future like what they mean by "war" in void war saga

[balmy storm]

As someone who’s played her
Idk what her 1 does
Her 2 needs a slight buff
Her 3 needs to be reworked
Her 4 needs to just be her augment
And she needs a new passive entirely since it doesnt help her

[scarlet basalt]

i will be interested in the babau ennemies
imagine if you see an effervo tank trying to take down that beast
Because...They used the effervo tank for it...Right?

[balmy storm]

I think you’re overthinking things a bit, also I’d imagine if they were reworking the AI at all they’d want to do it when they have more time to hotfix things

[scarlet basalt]

Babau being the first lephantis 😔

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[plush swan]

Fishing and Mining on the Plains/Vallis/Drift should be co-op like conservation and Duviri Fishing

[wintry herald]

I forgot how much fun one of the story quests are. Had to help my son with it. New war, how easy the archons as drifter can wipe the floor with you

[balmy storm]

In what way should they be co-op? As activities they’re inherently solo but something that can still be done with others, right? So wdym?

[chilly pine]

might be thinking of a "rewards are shared" kind of thing where when you go mining everyone gets something but arent ore and possibly fish spawns independant?

[woeful patio]

I think he is talking about squads that go on mining or fishing has the look shared with the whole squad

Sincerely i think it would be good and bad at same time

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure actually

[woeful patio]

Good extra extra loot

Bad bc it would ruin the fun that is already extinct

[balmy storm]

It’d be good for the players what with all the ways we can increase drops

[balmy storm]

Ruin the non-existent fun?
So it’d just be an improvement is what you’re saying lol

[woeful patio]

LETS GRIND 8 HOURS OF FISHING AND MINING

Unlimited resources

[balmy storm]

I can reasonably see that not being the case for balance reasons, I’m not sure if all the ways that double drops work for fishing and mining but I’m sure they do, couple that with extra passive loot from other squad members doing the same task and you’d get a lot of resources fast

[woeful patio]

I think it would only work in isolated cases

[balmy storm]

I could see them maybe doing it for mining since its more rng based but fish can be traded so idk

[woeful patio]

Like fishing and mining wouldnt drop too much

But breaking something

Like those fruit trees

Or the funky looking red rock

[balmy storm]

Fishing only drops fish, that doesnt work

I can see that mining could work, diminished drops from squad members who mine
But fishing? No

[woeful patio]

Fishing is more like a optional minigame

[balmy storm]

So is mining

[woeful patio]

What i mean is

Fishing had a whole category like the fish, the size of fish you has the spear that has unique stuff and baits and lights

Doo it is a whole stuff

[balmy storm]

Fishing differs because the drop from fishing is still just a fish, maybe double or quadruple the fish depending on boosters but you’d get way too many fish way too fast
Which isn’t bad for the players but it would be a balancing issue

[woeful patio]

Different of mining that you basically use a tool to get it

And is just that

[chilly pine]

conservation tags are party share since multiple people can help in catching the animals and their spawns can be a real pain, problems that fishing and mining dont have

[woeful patio]

Yeah you have different and better versions of the mining tool

[balmy storm]

How the system works doesn’t matter if its about the drops

[balmy storm]

Exactly, fishing and mining are tedious sure but not a pain in the same way conservation can be for a squad

[woeful patio]

I already got so many norgs that the "FISH." Would think twice on calling me biped

[balmy storm]

If everyone in the squad got the same resources from mining and fishing that’d be a balance issue
I can see a diminished version for mining since you can get multiple rocks in one go but fishing isnt the same, without boosters you always get 1 fish so there is no way to diminish that

[woeful patio]

But seriously you barely use this stuff

And mostly is used for zar or the AMP's

[balmy storm]

And with boosters, assuming boosters also apply to what squad members catch, then one fishing trip could set you for a long long time

Maybe the solution is just that for fishing its a chance that everyone else in the squad gets the fish too

[woeful patio]

Dont forget the spawn of fishes are random

[balmy storm]

To an extent, you can absolutely force certain fish to spawn if you know where to look

[woeful patio]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Unlike mining

[woeful patio]

But still, most of them gonna be small

[balmy storm]

Mining is entirely rng based, fishing isn’t, or isn’t to the same extent

[woeful patio]

Or other fish

Mining is based on prays and luck

[scarlet basalt]

they should add a boat activity on Uranus and you can fish any fish in Uranus
Bcz yk there's actually for some reason PoE fish in there

[balmy storm]

Can’t you determine fish size before catching?

[woeful patio]

Radioctive fish

[chilly pine]

fishing has alot of conditions for specific fish, location, bait, and time of day/weather. mining is pretty much random, not entirely but certainly more than fishing

[balmy storm]

The Orokin put some fish there don’t worry bout it

[scarlet basalt]

when you do an ascension mission and you see leviathan class fish huh

[woeful patio]

Yeah but to have more fish some fish need to perish

[balmy storm]

Yeah, with fishing you can go after the exact fish you need really easily, sure its kinda a hassle but its not that bad
But mining? Zero control

[balmy storm]

Fish size isnt really an issue if you’re catching a bunch anyway

[woeful patio]

Know what we need the old gen fishing with nova and a loot sentry

[balmy storm]

I like the idea of perhaps diminished rewards for squad members with mining, but I think fishing’s a no go since it doesnt work the same way

[woeful patio]

Fishing is something compared to running dragon keys farm.

[chilly pine]

i mean, mining has 2 pools based on node type, and i think drill aswell, or it used to also have different things based on drill type

[woeful patio]

Tedious, boring, frustating and you always end up with alot of useless stuff that you dont wanted

[balmy storm]

For fishing???
You decide what fish you go after lol

Mining is where you get excess resources you likely didnt ask for, but fishing?
You can go after whatever fish you specifically need, sure it can be boring but at least its less rng based than mining

[chilly pine]

theres also rep turn ins for both gems and fish as a way to get something useful out of something you dont need

[balmy storm]

Yeah, which some extra standing always helps

[plush swan]

Yeah, basically this.

When one person catches a fish, everyone gets a fish in their loot.

When one person mines a vein, everyone gets the ore/gems

[zenith jacinth]

Fish thing could get very op very fast, when I go solo fishing I already catch way more than I need

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-bnp-better-name-pending-fisher-hai-luk-this-one-will-feed-the-whole-family-gif-19010577

[zenith jacinth]

Why did BNP purge his channel

[woeful patio]

Who?

Oh

[zenith jacinth]

Better name pending, the guy who made the video that that gif originates from

[woeful patio]

Bettername

Cataclysm ..

The first video i saw from him was the opticor

And how to speak on corpus

He has a other channel

The grren cat,

[zenith jacinth]

My favorite video

[balmy storm]

I think that works for mining, not as much for fishing
purely because mining is rng based so that’d help, whereas fishing isn’t as rng based since you can go after specific fish

[zenith jacinth]

And shoot the ones you don't want to free up fish spawns

[balmy storm]

I didnt know you could do that but that makes sense

I think I usually just would grab all the fish just cause

plus specific baits exist, there’s no specific bait for mining lol

[real niche]

There's, apparently, going to different chunks of the open world to get better chances of specific materials

[balmy storm]

Is that an upcoming change to open worlds? Do you know where that was stated?

[real niche]

I wish I knew where I heard it from

But I follow the WF wiki and damn, if it's placebo, it's a pretty strong placebo.

[zenith jacinth]

Always been like that it seems, although the credibility of the claim is not high as I have tried it without much success

[simple python]

Wait... BNP...

Wonder if they covered Koumei yet.

[scarlet basalt]

iirc on open world the only thing that could change is the level between parts of it

[rare orbit]

Can we agree that the atomicycle is gauss protoframe?

[tight pagoda]

Nah because that would close the door on an actual Protoframe for Gauss

The Tommys are more like Proto-K-Drives

[balmy storm]

Skateboard, bike, when are we getting roller skates?

[hearty pendant]

yareli proto

[balmy storm]

I still love the idea of every form of transport we have getting an associated frame
So bike frame when?

We got archwingframe
We got skateboardframe
We still need mechframe
We kinda have horseframe

[zenith jacinth]

Rjframe?

[scarlet basalt]

big byte atomicycle leak

[balmy storm]

Sevagoth

Sevagoth is also the frameframe

[zenith jacinth]

Seva doesn't summon an rj

Imagine a frame with an ability that just calls in your rj to crash into the tileset, playing a legally distinct version of He's a Pirate during the approach

[balmy storm]

I know but he’s the closest we got rn 😔
He is more frameframe than rjframe for sure

[balmy storm]

That should be an air support ngl

[simple python]

That's a Zhongli burst. Also I would like a third mobility frame with Rollerblades.

[zenith jacinth]

To add to the comedy, it does as much damage as a single stug shot

[zenith jacinth]

A what

[simple python]

Nezha is specifically based on the Chinese Mythological figure, The Crown Lotus Prince, Ne Zha. He doesn't actually have rollerblades in-game. I'm talking like custom run cycle rollerblade, maybe a cool dodge, Rollerblade frame.

[simple python]

Sh

[zenith jacinth]

[tight pagoda]

Roller Derby Hildryn ProtoFrame/Deluxe Skin would go crazy

[simple python]

I'm tired of bringing fun ideas to the table

Also yes Roller Derby Hildryn.

Iirc doesn't her dodge kinda look like a body check?

[zenith jacinth]

I bring funny ideas instead of fun ones, much easier

[simple python]

She'd probably just be like... a weightlifter.

Oh really? Name a funny frame idea

[zenith jacinth]

Nah full frames gotta be serious

Unless it's yareli

Imagine losing fights in every lore appearance

[simple python]

Uh huh...

[tight pagoda]

Sis lost to some Unkarr Plutt lookin' guy

[simple python]

She did lose to some dude in a scifi baby waddler.

[zenith jacinth]

And whatever was going on before the deluxification

[tight pagoda]

Even the Deluxe skin took an L

Drowned or something, lost to the depths

[simple python]

She was on Uranus.

No wonder she drowned

[zenith jacinth]

Well at least she probably died to an enemy, unlike limbo

Tbf I too would die to math

[simple python]

I'm gonna say it: All Tenno that aren't the plot armored Mara canonically lose tbh

It's us. We're the Mara.

Idk that Walbrecht deal we accepted made us plot armored legit.

[zenith jacinth]

We are the chosen one, destined to bring balance to th- oh wait wrong sci-fi media

[simple python]

Yeah it says "Mission Failed" but a reactor detonation kills us

Technically void shenanigans. And if you'll excuse me I have people to... congratulate.

[balmy storm]

HA

[tender pine]

I just started duviri, and man.......the start of this is making me feel things,

[wise solstice]

Just wait until you get to the real sad stuff

Some of the sad stuff without context in the image below

[tender pine]

it's kinda wild because I've gotten to Lotus Eaters, so I'm already like "I guess driftor escaped this."

don't view it as a spoiler, but it's interesting to think how interconnected this is, with the rest of the story, even though it absolutely doesn't feel like it, at face value

[zenith jacinth]

The entire paradox quest takes place during tnw

[wise solstice]

To be honest, he just visits as a second operator

He’s basically just an older operator
(And cooler in my opinion)

[tender pine]

this quest........has been available from very early on, does it change at all if you play it before new war or second dream? I feel like having the driftor there, and the concept of "oh a human is actually who controls the frames" feels like something most shouldn't know early on

but I suppose by this point it's very much a "cat out of the bag" kinda situation

[zenith jacinth]

It's unlocked much later now

"Sanity is redrawing the map when you have to. Crazy, is throwing it away."

[wise solstice]

Duviri is viewed basically as just out of context Warframe lore and foreshadowing in my opinion

[wise solstice]

yes

Love that quote for no reason

[zenith jacinth]

It was my status for a while when tnw was new

[wise solstice]

Nice

[wise solstice]

Do you guys agree?

[zenith jacinth]

"When the new war was new" is an interesting sentence

[wise solstice]

Fr tho

It’s the old new war

[zenith jacinth]

It's a paradox, chicken or the egg kinda situation

When it takes place is clear, but how isn't as easy. The weapons and frames are sent by the operator as thanks for the stuff drifter does during tnw, but drifter hasn't done any of that yet at the time of the paradox quest

[wise solstice]

More like a chicken and the egg… mainly because of eternalism or whatever the hell it’s called (different reactions or effects to causes)

[zenith jacinth]

The correct answer to the chicken or egg this is egg btw

[balmy storm]

Isn’t the correct answer dinosaurs?

I guess technically chickens are dinosaurs so nvm

[wise solstice]

FINALLY

[zenith jacinth]

Dinosaurs isn't an option

[wise solstice]

Different animal

[balmy storm]

Technically the real answer is single celled life

[balmy storm]

No, birds are dinosaurs lol

[real niche]

Well a dinosaur that's incredibly similar to a chicken would've laid the egg, so egg first.

[balmy storm]

Ye egg first

[zenith jacinth]

Eternalism doesn't really apply there, just average void magic wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

[balmy storm]

In just chickens and eggs

[wise solstice]

The ancestor for an animal can be a different animal, due to magical things called natural selection and evolution

[zenith jacinth]

What have I done

[balmy storm]

Dude, birds as a species are dinosaurs lol

[wise solstice]

True that, but it still applies since it’s alternate outputs to a singular input shown all at once

[balmy storm]

I know how evolution works, birds are dinosaurs
Always have been

[wise solstice]

Not all Dino’s were birds, t-rexes for example

[balmy storm]

Eternalism is you have two doors and normally you can only open one but through eternalism you can open both

[zenith jacinth]

There's... no alternate outputs. Warframe eternalism is basically just a multiverse theory with a weird explanation and unfitting name

[balmy storm]

I know.

[wise solstice]

Yea

[balmy storm]

I’m not stupid smh

[wise solstice]

Real

[zenith jacinth]

I am :D

[wise solstice]

Me too (just not animal dumb)

Anyways I’m going away

/ e Ash invisibility

[rain otter]

Hmmmmmm

Its werid cuz They also seem to say like if you change the "future" somehow the old future still echoes through.

Which I think is why we have the Drifter but idk if we can just like go to a different universe.

Like idk if there are different universe we could go to or just that like theirs a mostly destined path and if you do something drastic the Void like spits out something that is the echoes.

Also the only time we have seen like eterlism is something walking out of the Void so like do those universes exist or is the Void just like spitting out stuff from things that could have happened.

Also the unum literally has a whole like system wide acolytes that do things for her to make sure the outcome she wants to happen happens.

[balmy storm]

The Unum can see alternate possibilities iirc and if the mirror princess story is anything to go off of she may see parallels to the present as well, which could mean the past too

We need Bau, in my head he’s our resident eternalism expert

[wispy jasper]

That was all given in the original premise of eternalism, if we take it as gospel. We experience our own sequence linearly. The past and future of alternative branches are accessible if you have the means.

[obtuse gyro]

que?

[obtuse gyro]

imo latter based off the Drifter entry in the pom-2

didnt say drifter traveled from his to ours, it said he manifested into ours

[balmy storm]

[rain otter]

Yeah

THAT IS WHAT I"VE BEEN SAYING also

it's what the like tablet in um Durivi said.

[rain otter]

yeah i think she can jsut see all the outcomes or all the likely outcomes and just works to do the one the is the best. Cuz that us what Onko talks about that Saya's life turns out way better when he leaves.

[balmy storm]

Yeah, she can see them but idk if that confirms those possibilities to be real

[rain otter]

yeah

[formal grove]

I really hope that 1999 will actually have its own map instead of being another progress check content island

[rain otter]

Y'all still don't understand what content island means.

also what does Progress check mean? @formal grove I swear i hear people say warframe is too easy all the time and they want more endgame content.

[formal grove]

point is, I just hope that 1999 is like Cetus and Fortuna in that it's a hub with an open world that we don't need to start a mission to go to and not a bounty hub like the Zariman and the Sancta Anatomica

[rain otter]

WHAT

[rain otter]

This is literally the opposite opinon of most players.

[balmy storm]

Guess what it is lmao

[rain otter]

wtf

I just don't understand

[balmy storm]

Its a bounty hub like the Zariman and the Sanctum

[rain otter]

Zariman was one of the best updates ever.

I am stunned into silence.

[formal grove]

so I have to start a mission to go out into the city?

[balmy storm]

Aside from the quest, but the faction makes up for it

[formal grove]

no freely going in and out like for PoE and OrbVallis?

[rain otter]

I like the quest.

[formal grove]

that's the point I'm trying to make

[balmy storm]

Likely yes, we don’t know the full details
But it does seem to be that way

It doesn’t mean its not explorable though lol

[rain otter]

it's like zariman or the labs but we will be able to chain missions together.

[balmy storm]

Just do extermination and explore
I do it all the time in the demo

[rain otter]

@formal grove ALSO ZARIMAN WAS ONE OF THE MOST EXPLORABLE TILES

[balmy storm]

The Zariman and Labs are good because they’re made to be explored

[rain otter]

YEAH

[night grail]

The demo has neat details

[balmy storm]

Zariman more so

And 1999 is also very explorable, I have explored so much of the demo

[night grail]

Even some random ones despite being a predetermined layout

[rain otter]

you can find a angel in every zarmain mission

[balmy storm]

I’m going to get so distracted in 1999 lmao

[rain otter]

@formal grove also you never explained what a content island or a progress check meant.

[formal grove]

the point I'm trying to make is that I hope that we can go in and out of the city whenever we want like for PoE and Orb Vallis instead of needing a bounty to go in

[rain otter]

But that isn't

[balmy storm]

I’ve heard people say the open works were content islands lol

[formal grove]

I never said anything about the quality of Zariman or Sancta Anatomica

[rain otter]

what those words mean.

[rain otter]

yeah i could disagree now but the open worlds where the ones people talked about first when saying content island.

[balmy storm]

Is your issue just that you want to explore the city without enemies??

[rain otter]

But you did though. also this isn't what content Island means still.

[balmy storm]

Like I dont see the issue of doing an exterminate mission and just exploring

[rain otter]

also Progress check? it's part of a ongoing arch we are following Albretch to 1999 like is the new war a progress check?

[formal grove]

no, I just want to be able to explore the city freely without having to start a bounty to be able to go into the city

[rain otter]

i don't understand still.

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I disagree they’re content islands personally but I can see why some people see it that way

[rain otter]

I could see it

when they came out not as much now.

[balmy storm]

You know the city is a tileset, it’ll likely be different every time like the labs and zariman

[rain otter]

but zariman labs and Duviri are the least content island stuff ever.

[formal grove]

I just hope the city can be like PoE and Orb Vallis, and Cambion Drift in that we can go in and out whenever and there are stations where we can start bounties

[rain otter]

It's not gonna be that.

But also i wanna know why you used content island with progress checks? what youtuber did you steal that opinion from?

[balmy storm]

We really don’t know how the bounty system works for 1999, thats for the devstream
But it will likely be like the labs and zariman since so far its shaping up to be exactly that

[rain otter]

yeah.

they talked about being able to like do a mission and then do another.

like chaining them.

[rain otter]

i do wanna know this. though. @formal grove cuz you didn't just say this on your own.

[balmy storm]

Oh fr? Thats likely what the infested pcs everywhere are for then

[rain otter]

maybe?

those might be related to the liches.

I assumed it was related to the infested liches.

[balmy storm]

So maybe its a bit of both
Do a mission and then you’re free to explore or start a new mission
Cause the 1999 levels are big from what I can tell and seemingly made to be explored

[rain otter]

yeah

[formal grove]

pretty sure that's about the new "infinite capture" game mode that 1999 will introduce

[balmy storm]

Also possible yeah
Maybe we can choose!

[rain otter]

content island.

i hate how many people use that word wrong.

[balmy storm]

I can see that

I still don’t see the problem of doing an exterminate and just exploring as you go and after
Sure its not immediate but meh

Plus you’re actively getting resources

We’ll also likely get some capturas so depending on the sizes of those they could be good for exploring

[rain otter]

content island and "endgame" are two words that i hear misused the most often.

[tender pine]

seeing this made me so emotional lol

[rain otter]

yeah fair.

It is very awestriking.

[tender pine]

I'm actually still confused by what 1999 is tbh.

I'm not confused in the sense that I'm completely unsure by what it is, I think it's pretty clear we are looking at something more akin to zariman/albrecht's lab, but where I'm kinda confused is that the way it's being advertised in a lot of respects makes it sound even bigger than that.

[balmy storm]

We’ll find out in 2 weeks

It does seem to be larger levels, we have yet to play the infested sewers yet

[tender pine]

I'm seeing so much about "this is the next generation of warframe, this is a new beginning for warframe" etc etc, and I'm wondering if 1999 will amount to a whisper in the walls sized experience, of a 1~2 hour quest and then the activities, or something else.

the buzzwords I'm hearing along with the marketing, and how the setting has been built up narratively gives off the impression of a story quest that is New War in size

[tight pagoda]

I think the adverts are mostly due to how big of a chapter in the story this is. I think Whispers got an equal amount

They have outright said it won’t be New War size though in terms of length

[tender pine]

didn't see that, did they compare it to anything? or just say don't expect new war size

[balmy storm]

Rebb has said the quest is 2.5 hours not including gameplay iirc

Or maybe it was with gameplay

Its been a while

[night grail]

I hope it's on the longer side of things. Not quite new war but still a bit longer than whispers

Whispers felt really short and this is coming from someone who loves whispers

[balmy storm]

Same

[tender pine]

am I correct in the notion that this marks the start of a new arc, for warframe, and that what has come between new war and now, was effectively setup

[balmy storm]

I think it will be, there’s a lot in 1999

[tender pine]

because I could see them reserving New War sized story stuff for the end of an arc

[balmy storm]

The Hex
Albrecht
Scaldra
Hollvania itself
Whatever’s happening with Wally
The Infestation
Other stuff I’m probably forgetting

[tender pine]

and if this is just the beginning, it's reasonable to only be 2~3 hours long.

[balmy storm]

I hope the end of this arc isnt just called the void war

[tender pine]

but also, I'm frankly just relieved that, there's no new open world. I'm sure there'll be a time and space for that, but I enjoyed how zariman/albrecht's lab was different from those

I feel genuinely burnt out with the open world stuff

[night grail]

Angels, Veilbreaker, and Jade all were kinda following up on things from the New War.

Whispers and Lotus Eaters are the beginning of the current arc

[supple dagger]

[balmy storm]

Same!

[tender pine]

I'd argue Angels was kinda closing a door though (same with veilbreaker)

[balmy storm]

I do love Duviri as an open world, its kinda just its own thing

[tender pine]

Jade closes a door and opens a new one, and I can't wait to see how they follow that one up

[balmy storm]

DE please don’t ignore Duviri
Please have it and the Zariman be in the war

[supple dagger]

When we get to romance wally?

[night grail]

But thats still following up on something? I'd agree with angels but they can absolutely still expand upon veilbreaker

[balmy storm]

December

[tender pine]

if they do open worlds again I genuinely want it to be like Duviri, yeah. I just find Eidolons, Fortuna and Deimos, very draining

[night grail]

DE please albrecht literally said duviri would be important please i want to see how it pans out

[hearty pendant]

duviri and the zariman not being involved in the void war would be a missed opportunity imo

[tender pine]

the thing with the open world stuff, is like, with time, I'm sure I'd have an appetite for it (and so would others) but for now.......I'm good lol

[night grail]

Especially after

The time would come, the stranger said, when Duviri would be needed. There was a work of repentance to be done, and he could not do it alone. What he meant by this I cannot say; and cannot now ask, for Scholar's Landing vanished overnight.

[tender pine]

though what they pulled off with the open worlds they have was very impressive, but just from my playing an hour of Duviri, that one is probably their magnum opus from an art style stand point

Deimos is a looker too

[night grail]

Duviri is very pretty yeah

I just hate how the captura scenes of it look

[tender pine]

Fortuna/Eidolon look good too, but they look like what you'd expect for Earth and Venus, the other two very much subvert expectations lol

especially Duviri, I was sharing screenshots with a friend and he was like ".......is that really warframe?"

but I'll say, from my roughly 3 months of playing this game, DE are excellent, at regular content drops

[obtuse gyro]

Check out soulframe, ever since they started preludes I thought it wouldnt be much

I was wrong

DE knows how to make players grind

[tight pagoda]

Check out Soulframe

I would be happy to, if they EMAILED ME A CODE PLEASE DE I WANT IN 😭😭😭

[tender pine]

a friend gave me a code a few days ago, but I haven't had time to check it out unfortunately. Very excited for it though

despite my playing some warframe here and there, I'm unfortunately in my worst academic nightmare atm

[tight pagoda]

Good luck

[hushed kettle]

I just had a realization that could change the way everyone thinks about warframe

[obtuse gyro]

\

[hushed kettle]

Albrecht stated in his notes that every day in duviri, he would wake up to his daughter's voice

Now i took that figuratively, as euleria wrote tales of duviri

But i had the realization today that euleria is the narrator of duviri

Ergo albrecht could hear the narration

The narration is diagetic

[obtuse gyro]

mhmm

they be hearing things

[hushed kettle]

I love warframe

and the voice of stefan rudnicki

I think that was like the one piece of lore i was missing in my head

I know everything about warframe now, well except how to properly mod things

[rain otter]

No we always hear her

She is the narrator.

Yeah.

I knew that way before this. It even says it in the subtitles. @hushed kettle

But yeah it's really cool.

[scarlet basalt]

I hope 1999 go into a semi resident evil scénario ngl

[cobalt hedge]

It might silence our hills even?

[scarlet basalt]

Since it's secluded we could call it a dead island

[rare orbit]

Maybe there’s evil within… too

[scarlet basalt]

There's an evil within albretch

When they put the walls containing infestation , citizens were left for dead

[left slate]

???

[rare orbit]

We need a steel chair melee

[pure vector]

I AM BACK HOME BAZINGAAAA

I LOVE MIRAGE

[scarlet basalt]

I hope there's a reference to that in 1999

[covert tree]

I miss the Internet

[thick jolt]

Congratulations you are still in the internet

[covert tree]

I miss the Internet with no skibidi or hawk tu uh

[soft pumice]

i still enjoy this interacton

[whole prawn]

Any idea on drop date?

1999

[tiny ibex]

nothing solid but the new Hollvania hub goes away around first week of December

[whole prawn]

Can that be concidered a drop timer count down?

[rain otter]

not really

but it can give you a vibe about when it is.

[whole prawn]

I am so excited!

Never been more hyped about any update before then this one

[tiny ibex]

yeah it's definitely not a timer confirmed, but but to fair it's not like they will drop it at the end of December, they're going to have their vacation too

[whole prawn]

It must be early december though if i’m not mistaken

[tiny ibex]

I think the relay goes away in first week of December, personally I would assume the update might drop second week latest

[thick jolt]

They will probably talk about it during this months devstream

[tight pagoda]

Yeah good chances a date will be announced during the devstream

I’m going to guess Dec 13, they might have a release highlight at the Game Awards like they did last year

[plush swan]

Vay Hek seems like he'd be fun to mock.

Can we have some "taunt Vay Hek" voice lines? :3

[balmy storm]

Don’t they typically announce things at least a week in advance, not the day before?

If I had to guess they’ll announce the date on the devstream or the first week of December

[wicked iron]

Release date: December 31st at 11:59 PM.

[balmy storm]

That’d be nightmarish for DE and the playerbase
But it’d be funny

[wicked iron]

If I have learned one thing, it is that DE can be very dedicated to memeing. 😛

[balmy storm]

Yeah but they’ll be on break by then

And while I’m sure some people at DE would love to do that they still need their holiday time
Plus for a portion of the playerbase they just wouldn’t be able to play

[fading current]

Yea ill be out of town for New Year’s so that would suck lol

[balmy storm]

Yeah, overall having it be on new years would be terrible

Now if the quest is replayable from the start then I’ll def be playing it on new years

If not then I’m replaying 1999 next year for new years

[wicked iron]

They made Lotus abandon us right before Christmas. q_q They can give us boy band Liches to make up for it!

[balmy storm]

Lmao

[tiny ibex]

I shall never forgive Lotus for that

one wrong step and she's under scrutiny

and the boy bands can't wait to take em out lol

[tight pagoda]

Announcement was the wrong word, I didn’t mean they would announce it then, just a launch trailer like Whispers got last year, then a little interview maybe

[balmy storm]

Ooooh, yeah I can see that!

Release date with devstream, release trailer at the awards, update the following the day

[tight pagoda]

Ye

[wicked iron]

I wonder what we will see at the end of the ARG, aside from the release of 1999.

[sturdy turret]

de plz fix the ephemera (name of user unrelated just saw him in anatomica and feel sorry for having the look destroyed by tposing copies from the tempora prime ephemera

[tender pine]

so I read some interviews with rebecca yesterday regarding 1999.

it's kinda interesting how she focused so much on the notion that "there is the origin system and then there is 1999"

.......is 1999 going to expand to other locations/settings over time

[tight pagoda]

I’m guessing she just means it’s separate like Duviri is

Probably more of a gameplay thing than a lore thing she’s discussing

[tender pine]

I'm moreso wondering if it's separate like Duviri, but it's also the start of an entire new origin system, that's "1999ified"

[balmy storm]

Wouldn’t that just be Earth?

Since space travel would be heavily limited

[zenith jacinth]

Essentially nonexistant

[autumn turret]

1999 would be like zariman, theres a hub, and you can probably select some mission types from the 'mission door'

probably

[balmy storm]

It’d be from the bike probably, just like the demo

since the demo presumably uses the 1999 hub as the starting portion

[autumn turret]

yea

[balmy storm]

Also 1999 has a day night cycle

And seasons

So I assume we can also pick seasons or maybe that alternates too?

[autumn turret]

its probably random or on a cycle

not our choice

[balmy storm]

I’d assume a cycle

Tbh it could be cool if every week it was a different season

Or maybe it’s dependent on the mission you do?

[autumn turret]

its probably not mission specific, but i dont remember if they were very descriptive of it

[tender pine]

they've confirmed it's a cycle iirc

already saw memes of "season specific" material drops

[balmy storm]

lmao

So a day night cycle and seasons?
That adds some good visual variety

[tight pagoda]

Definitely makes you wonder the scope of the quest too

Prior to the seasonal info, I was assuming the 1999 quest would take place December 31st, but much earlier than we experienced in Whispers, so we’d have time to save the day before New Years

[balmy storm]

I assume we’ll be going throughout the year of 1999

[tight pagoda]

Now I’m wondering when we enter the timeline and also what the post story quest will be

[balmy storm]

I’m curious how much of the 1999 world we’ll get to see

[tight pagoda]

Because if the Drifter introduces themselves towards the end of the year it wouldn’t make much sense for them to work with the Hex somehow before that point

[balmy storm]

I wanna know about the potential precursor orokin

[tight pagoda]

I doubt we’ll leave Hollvania just yet, but I’d love lore outside of there

[balmy storm]

I winder how far back Albrecht travelled

[balmy storm]

Same!
I think we may see the eighteenth radiation war at some point so that could maybe lead to that

[tight pagoda]

Enough to have an almost cultlike following. What if he’s OnLyne’s manager

[balmy storm]

I do wonder how involved he is with them, DE and the 1999 government

If he has ties to any of them he has ties to all of them tbh since On-Lyne and DE work for the government

[tender pine]

so now that I've finished Duviri, does Lotus Eaters basically imply that he escaped the paradox? driftor I mean

[night grail]

The drifter has escaped for a while now

[tight pagoda]

Duviri is set between Act 1 and 2 of the New War

[balmy badger]

Drifter got out into the Origin System at the literal worst time. For them, anyways, good timing for the System.

[tight pagoda]

Tbf they knew they were getting into something, Teshin told them the System needed them I think

[obtuse gyro]

"Oh they need me? To do what play the shawzin?"

Exits into Origin

"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON"

[tender pine]

kinda find it interesting how Rebecca also doesn't dismiss the notion of future protoframes (ie new ones post 1999)

[undone lodge]

I wonder how they’ll handle the Hex in regards to that

Since they’ll have to somehow be outside of the “loop”, especially with the relationships feature and them being a syndicate

[sacred flint]

Outside the loop?

Oh the drifter

[tight pagoda]

They somehow have to know the Drifter since the gameplay loop is ongoing

So we can’t be going to 1999 in December and then they experience all 4 seasons somehow and know the Hex throughout the year

[sacred flint]

Well I assume the drifter goes back to like beginning of 1999 (or mid 1999), meets with the hex which were created by Albrecht before, and deal with Wally

And for gameplay, well we can go to 1999, help the hex ( I am sure they understand some weird void stuff is going on) and then just dip.

To them it would just be another meeting were we help them for something.

However it would be weird for the liches… like we go there, cause an infested strain to basically apocalyps the place so that we can kill them in our time ( millennia’s later) so to the hexes point we abandon them lol

[rain otter]

You would never dismiss more content. Also we will probably get 1999 echoes and it might have a new character.

[vast arch]

Yeah I can easily see them do smaller updates as expansions to 1999, the same way that Duviri got expanded with Seven Crimes of Kullervo

[sacred flint]

But then never again

Cause they ran out of computing space or something

[covert tree]

Warframe is a BIG game that doesn't remove most content heck the haven't even removed pvp even though it has 5 players

It's understandable when they can't constantly add and add

[sacred flint]

Nah I get that. They said they can’t add more island cause there is no simulation space left for the common folks that don’t have insane pc’s.

Cause it all happens on the host pc so

[covert tree]

I'm one of the comman folk stopping them

[sacred flint]

I just know Steve is constantly geeking out on new tech being developed for even more performance so they can do bigger things

Which is honestly a big W for DE to have someone like that. Actually interested in the tech being developed. Unlike some people at blizzard 👀

[covert tree]

De they enjoy most of their job

[sacred flint]

I just love DE so much

[covert tree]

Yes so do I they usually do a better job than most devs

[rain otter]

They should remove pvp

I hate it so much.

[covert tree]

What about ff

[rain otter]

Ff?

[covert tree]

Frame fighters

The only pvp mode where I've had fun

[covert tree]

^

[rain otter]

Oh shRug

[scarlet basalt]

1999 is said to be the biggest update ?
Not sure but the amount of content and replayable content mayyy hint that this is going to be a very strong update

A lot of weapons,syndicate,liches,ennemies,potential new arcane,potentially a lot of endgame content as these will may be the most fair ennemies (more fair than murmur) bcz of eda/netracell type of mission,etc...
Sure there's no fissure but maybe like duviri we would farm ressource with other way

Tho we can say that duviri is the biggest update with circuit bringing incarnon genesis

[rain otter]

Idk if this was said anywhere.

But it's gonna be good.

[scarlet basalt]

Not sure but it really feel like one of the most massive update we'll get
Tho I don't think they've talked about any arcane

[rain otter]

Idk what we mean by fair also I hate the term end game for warframe.

[rain otter]

It will probably be very large overall and good but i wouldn't like put unrealistic expectations if you can help it.

[scarlet basalt]

I kinda want to see if pablo really want to make more difficult ennemies like 60 eyes bcz iirc he think that was very good

[rain otter]

Sure

[zenith jacinth]

Fashionframe is endgame

Fashion is always the endgame in infinite grind games

[simple python]

What did 60 eyes mean?

Like the max eyes for a Murmur assassination?

[obtuse gyro]

if you get 60 eyes during assassination you summon instead a secret boss

that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than its normal version

[simple python]

Oh

Isn't it just... a harder version then?

Lmao. Did anyone try it on SP yet or nah?

[obtuse gyro]

significantly

but you get a nice hood ornament

[simple python]

Is it the eye? Already got it.

[shell snow]

Nah, it’s the hands

[tiny ibex]

it has magnetic on its attack, cancels out stuff like mesmer, can mostly one shot anything you have unless you have a strategy to avoid or tank

[flat magnet]

The eye is from completing EDA with all the modifiers on and choosing from the preselected gear

[cobalt hedge]

You get a landing craft nose decor if you kill the 60 eye SP boss

[simple python]

It's a nose? The murmur has noses?

[balmy storm]

No, nose of the ship
The decor is hands

I think the murmur does actually have noses on some of them, l’ll check

[simple python]

Oh. I got them both already. Tbh the murmur should've had a full thing of body parts just grotesquely misunderstood.

[tiny ibex]

I always imagine it's Wally holding on for his life as the lander speeds through the system

[simple python]

Eyes are there already, Hands, Feet, I think we should include Ears, Noses, Tongues, etc. Go for full cosmic body horror.

[balmy storm]

Okay yeah they dont have noses

[simple python]

Idk. The labratory is freaky already, but it could be more. Unless the mirror defense already has an ear.

[balmy storm]

It has an ear and an eye

[simple python]

Ooh neat. I gotta check it out when I get a second.

[balmy storm]

All the murmur wally faces I can find on the enemies specifically lack noses btw lmao

[tiny ibex]

I guess the "meaning" behind their designs is that it's all Wally, these are his limbs, his extensions, so there's only his face

[balmy storm]

I do agree we should have more murmur enemies, I’ve seen some fun concepts around
Would love one that involves teeth or mouths

[simple python]

I'm not saying have a full face, but make it as weird and abominable as the murmur already is. Give those starfish noses.

[tiny ibex]

I would like to see spiders too, made out of their limbs

[balmy storm]

The Murmur is Wally’s attempt to be like us, but he’s clumsy and struggling so we get these freaks instead

[simple python]

Technically the Tide has that,

But the tide sorta resembles more of a Catepillar or Centipede

[tiny ibex]

I appreciate he sees me as a barely comprehensible eldritch horror

[balmy storm]

Agreed, I dont want a full face but bits of a face spread about the enemies

[tiny ibex]

yea the centipede theme for both that elite enemy forgot its name and the boss

[balmy storm]

He sees you as some limbs and is doing his best

[simple python]

Gruzzlings were a missed theme for chattering mouths

[tiny ibex]

he's doing a great job

[balmy storm]

I still want murmur weapons

My friend has concepted a murmur frame
No idea how either would work but I want them

[tiny ibex]

I think they nailed the creepy design with the Thrax Legatus

[balmy storm]

Would be cool if we got modular weapons via conceptual embodiment

[tiny ibex]

well for now arguably closest we got I assume is Xaku

and Xaku really does stand out

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah, I know
Xaku is the voidframe and my favorite

They’re my baby, my funny lil bones

[tiny ibex]

and I think Qorvex's cement is using materials from the void parts of the lab, the texture and color matches

or whatever the material is lol

[balmy storm]

Maybe, I think he’s just normal cement tbh
Maybe with some infested twist

Whatever material was used to contain radiation
I do know the material he is wasnt very good at doing that though lol

[tiny ibex]

I would say it's meant to redirect and control the radiation more like lol

[balmy storm]

Xaku and Dante are the two frames most tied to the viid afaik, at least in origins and powers

[tiny ibex]

but idk to me if you look at the details, it kinda matches with the materials we see around the void parts

[balmy storm]

Qorvex is concrete

Cause concrete was used for radiation shielding ig

[balmy storm]

Then he’d be part Wally

[tiny ibex]

yeah I would definitely see Albrecht experimenting with using that

[balmy storm]

Since he’s literally the rocky half of the tileset

[tiny ibex]

right concrete, forgot the word

yes that's what i mean, really fancy

[balmy storm]

I do think he’s just normal concrete to act as radiation shielding since radiation is specifically powerful against the murmur

[tiny ibex]

could be

[balmy storm]

And that wouldnt make sense to make his armor out of something that’s weak to what he constantly produces

[tiny ibex]

well for what we know maybe the radiation works not by somehow melting the Murmur, maybe it's like poison to us

I mean radiation itself is probably good because it makes em sick

or somehow the way it reacts with void energy is very effective

[balmy storm]

We don’t know why the murmur is weak to radiation afaik, my best guess is it maybe just destabilizes their form

[tiny ibex]

yeah

so maybe it just makes them fall apart cause it kills their essence

[balmy storm]

whatever reason it’d be not smart to make armor out of a material that’s weak to the primary power of a frame

[oblique dirge]

poor qorvex being built specifically to harness radiation against the murmur only to have that be nerfed hard a few months after release

[balmy storm]

that’s like making a frame that produces fire and their armor is made of leaves

[tiny ibex]

yeah I am thinking it's more along the lines of Gas for infested

when you hit an infested with a really tough carapace, the gas seeps inside and kills it inside, doesn't affect the carapace much

so I am thinking Radiation is like that for Murmur

[balmy storm]

Maybe yeah

[wicked iron]

Aren't they still weak to Radiation?

[warm anvil]

[new war spoiler]

im so lucky that i experienced this game with 0 spoilers. and the only one i saw from way before I actually got into this game was when ||lotus fell into the void during the new war|| but i actually forgot it when i was playing

i was tired of playing incredible games (half life in particular) but having them completely spoiled for me

[tiny ibex]

ohhh it will get exciting when you do the following quests too, keep going

[warm anvil]

ive done everything in the game

[tiny ibex]

oh I assumed you just finished lmao

[warm anvil]

im just happy i've been able to follow this game spoiler free

[tiny ibex]

yeah me too

[warm anvil]

and i wanted to bring it up again

i avoided all youtube/tiktok videos of warframe (i clicked "not interested" on all of them and looked away from the thumbnails even)

[winter nacelle]

I love how trinity is now latina

Trinidad Garcia Rodríguez

[balmy storm]

Just Lettie is, she has the specific trinity helminth strain
We don’t know what the original trinity was

[hoary seal]

Wait, I think this is a bug...

[wicked iron]

The 1999 Protos aren't necessarily the original versions of the Warframes they have been partially turned into.

[zenith jacinth]

They definitely aren't aside from maybe quincy, idk when cyte09 originates

[wicked iron]

We will find out in time about Cyte-09's origins. 😄

[scarlet basalt]

i hope cyte 09 will make single target weapon more worth it 🙏

[tight pagoda]

I'm guessing Cyte-09 was Albrecht experimenting with Warframe technology within 1999, and the "09" part refers to the fact he was the ninth test subject or something. Cyte01-Cyte08 probably didn't make it.

[wicked iron]

Considering stuff like Bird 3, I can definitely see that.

[tight pagoda]

It does make you wonder what Cyte-09 (The Origin System Warframe)'s lore is, and why he's called that. My guess is that it's actually Quincy who's gone full Warframe.

[scarlet basalt]

Amazing that for some reason the warframe can live thousands of year

[zenith jacinth]

It's referring to "cyte batch 09" iirc

[balmy storm]

Void energy

[proper haven]

^^ oba

[arctic sorrel]

come to think of it...
when exactly does Jade Shadows ACTUALLY take place???
because like, with Stalker, you kind of never really know
presumably it's after The Second Dream, at least since Operator apparently mentions Shadow Stalker
but was it before The New War somehow?

[zenith jacinth]

After tnw

[arctic sorrel]

If indeed so, then it makes less sense for Drifter to not have been there at all

[zenith jacinth]

Why? It's not like drifter would know more about helping a warframe than the operator

[arctic sorrel]

Drifter would've made more of an effort to repay Stalker for helping them out vs. the Archons

they could've also consulted Operator when doing so

[zenith jacinth]

The two can't exactly exist in one place at the same time outside of the void

[arctic sorrel]

I just don't get why the quest didn't respect our chair choice for that one quest out of all the post TNW quests

[zenith jacinth]

Because the operator is just objectively better at helping frames

[arctic sorrel]

that still feels like a non-answer, sorry
especially when considering they could've put a way to make the Operator / Drifter choice still work in Jade Shadows
even if that meant using the same exact lines

[balmy storm]

It’s not though?
The Operator specifically has more experience helping Warframes

[arctic sorrel]

frankly unless Operator (the character) specifically does something amazing in a future quest, I would like to never see them again

[balmy storm]

Also it seems that aside from specific scenarios Operator and Drifter don’t co-exist in the same place

[oblique dirge]

how is that bot respecting your choice? even if you normally only play with 1, that doesnt mean the other stops existing

[balmy storm]

Well you will be seeing them again no matter what lol

[arctic sorrel]

then I stand by earlier statements I have made that Operator (the character) needs to have a brawl bossfight, specifically against the creep that keeps saying "hEy KiDDo"

[balmy storm]

We’ll see where the void arc takes us

It seems that Drifter will primarily be dealing with the 1999 side of things and the Operator deals with the Origin System side of things (like the liches) but we shall see

[arctic sorrel]

if DE really does love Metal Gear so much, there's a perfect opportunity for another reference

[arctic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/moonvsclint-gif-18414489

[balmy storm]

I hope they really do not ignore the Operator and thus far they haven’t, they’re integral to our story more so than the Drifter in some ways

It would make sense if the Operator primarily deals with the future story relating to Stalker’s kids since they’re the one that helped

[nova harness]

Drifter was just sent for adult problem

[balmy storm]

Yeah that too

While the Operator is mentally not a child they are physically so no romance for them

All the romance for Drifter

[arctic sorrel]

istg, if the Wally arc concludes without this, I will make an AU fanon animation of it myself
assuming I'm still alive by that point anyway

[nova harness]

I'm still convinced Operator could have Operator beards completely fine

[balmy storm]

Wally doesn’t really have a form for us to fight like that yet but we shall see

We will def find some way to stop him to some extent

Though he’s absolutely getting his finger back

Tbh I’d love if we got our void powers expanded upon specifically to deal with Wally

Let me utilize requiems to do funny things

[arctic sorrel]

this would be almost like Destiny 2 Guardians getting Prismatic during The Final Shape just for The Witness
and I'm all for that lol

[nova harness]

We need those extra 2 slots unlocked

Drifter gets 4 abilities in Duviri

[balmy storm]

Idk what that means but if its cool then heck yeah

[arctic sorrel]

Void Blast needs to make a comeback as a 3rd/4th Operator ability
and Void Sling needs an upgrade to make it almost like Void Dash

[balmy storm]

Nah

[arctic sorrel]

Void Blast at least would've been fine if they added more utility to it

[balmy storm]

Void blast was replaced by abilities and void sling is fine enough as is

[nova harness]

Wasn't Void Blast removed because nobody used it?

[arctic sorrel]

well we need something to spend more focus on besides decor

[balmy storm]

Probably yeah

The abilities are better anyway

[nova harness]

DE need to allow Void sling in all directions

[balmy storm]

I’d love if we got to use the requiems for our void powers, maybe different combos do different things

[arctic sorrel]

with relative ease there could've been real reasons to use it
range / radius upgrades in Vazarin (giving it something offense for once, besides a pull we already have tons of other ways to have)
etc.

[balmy storm]

You can though, no?

[nova harness]

Yeah but you can't swap like dash

Dash you could move around
Sling is in one direction

[arctic sorrel]

I still think current void sling is too sluggish, even when "upgraded"
if the Madurai waybound also reduced the charge up time by the same amount it increases max distance, it would've been perfect IMO
even if the end result still wasn't as fast -- the actual reason they nerfed it, let's be real -- as Void Dash originally was

[zenith jacinth]

Void blast got replaced by melee to insta-frame

[balmy storm]

Its effects were replaced with abilities

I think I prefer void sling over void dash, its more sluggish sure but there’s more control behind it
It would be nice for a faster option but eh, the tenno’s utility is more than just speed

[thick jolt]

If you mean aim one direction dash another pretty sure that is possible

[balmy storm]

Yeah idk what they meant cause you can go in all directions

[arctic sorrel]

the biggest problem I had with Dash was that the distance was always fixed; there was only one setting and that was fast
Sling did fix that but at the cost of being sluggish

[nova harness]

Dash, you could swap

Sling is in only one direction

[balmy storm]

I think that was part of the problem lol

[balmy storm]

Wdym swap?

I’ll take “sluggish” with more control over way too fast

If I want to go really fast then I’ll play a frame specifically for that

[nova harness]

With Dash you could go one direction them go another

[arctic sorrel]

this is one of those hills I'm dying on by the way
especially since they made gaining focus easier

[balmy storm]

Pretty sure you can do that with the sling?

[balmy storm]

I 100% agree tbh

[nova harness]

Dash was a 360 degree thing while Sling isn't

[balmy storm]

Oh
Yeah

[nova harness]

Sling is only one direction which is the main reason people actually hate it

[balmy storm]

I mean

It isnt though, you can sling in all directions

[thick jolt]

"Only one direction" doesnt really represent it well tbh

[balmy storm]

I’m not really sure what you mean cause you can literally sling in any direction

[arctic sorrel]

I think out of all this discussion, we more or less agree that:

1. Wally arc conclusion needs to be epic somehow, on the level of TNW if not surpassing it, with Operator (the character) having a huge role in the finale
2. The need to expand on Focus (and Operator abilities / functionality / etc. by extension)
3. #2 should absolutely be part of #1's update, it makes sense / is fitting / etc.

[nova harness]

You can sling in all but you have to finish a sling then do it Dash yoh didn't have to

[balmy storm]

That and the decor

[balmy storm]

Oh, I guess so yeah

[nova harness]

You could even Dash backwards

[balmy storm]

I do like the dash more because its cancellable

You can sling backwards

[scarlet basalt]

One thing I'm surprised is that they've done an entire 3d model of on Lyne member but it seems that it will go to waste ?
Unless they give us the choice to revert them to their normal state I'm quite surprised by the choice they seems to imply

[nova harness]

Only after an initial sling and it still goes forward

[scarlet basalt]

Would be fun to see packet wielding a weapon of mass destruction while he look like he would be scared to ask for ketchup

[balmy storm]

No?
I’m really not sure what you mean cause I swear I’ve been able to sling in any direction from the get go

[arctic sorrel]

speaking of which, I'm curious to know how converted Technocyte adversaries will work
will they be using a specific Coda weapon? Or something that's the default for each?
even though I don't convert adversaries, having my own reasons for not doing so

the upcoming devstream may or may not have an answer to that

[balmy storm]

Good question since we aren’t getting the weapons from them specifically

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think they use any weapon bcz iirc they said it's currency rotation market

[balmy storm]

Maybe, but it seems focused on Scaldra with the last one being about the infestation

[nova harness]

Backwards slinging isn't an actual thing it's just forward but pointed backwards

[scarlet basalt]

So you will surely spam "difficult" bosses instead of them having specific moveset for specific thing you've done

[nova harness]

Weird animation due to it

[balmy storm]

If you’re going backwards then its.. backwards..
I dont think I get it

[scarlet basalt]

De talked about making a currency system again so you can spam the farm and iirc it's not daily but 2-3 days or smthg like that

[nova harness]

There is no backwards sling imagine slinging into yourself

That's what it is

The animation is only forwards down or up

[oblique dirge]

the animation doesnt matter, you still go backwards

[scarlet basalt]

I hope that they will be difficult bosses tho
I'm not sure how they plan to do it since we've became a nuke on legs
Maybe de will find a way to fix that by buffing ennemies and changing ancient ?

There's no current talk about changing how ancient healer give over guard iirc

[balmy storm]

Yeah I’m confused cause if you’re moving backwards then thats a backward sling no matter the anim

[nova harness]

When you go backwards you are actually going forwards

[thick jolt]

The coda stream was last month's btw

[arctic sorrel]

I'll need to rewatch it then

not sure if I saw / heard / etc. anything in-depth about converted Coda specifically
or if I did then I don't remember

[thick jolt]

Think this month's will show scaldra and cyte 09

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah they haven't talked much about how liches will work if you convert them
But maybe it's only for funny Easter egg idk

[nova harness]

And the other Gemini

[scarlet basalt]

I think this will be wukong hex

[thick jolt]

Please no

[scarlet basalt]

Loki would be lovely for a stealth one for the hex buttttt rebb seems to have hinted more about wukong sadly

[thick jolt]

We dont need more reasons to see wukongs around

[balmy storm]

Are you moving backwards relative to the camera?

[oblique dirge]

theres not going to be any more protoframes for a while at least

[balmy storm]

They will do more later

At least 1 more

[scarlet basalt]

They will have an army wtf 😭😭😭

[nova harness]

Yes basically the animation turns you 360 degrees to make you forward not backwards when slinging so in reality backwards becomes forward

[scarlet basalt]

Also huh... I hope they will work on new things for the drifter in terms of gameplay in 1999 bcz they suck 😭😭😭

[oblique dirge]

more protoframes are just a bonus for later, they arent going to reveal any of then when 1999 isnt even out yet

[scarlet basalt]

Give them the ak fr

[balmy storm]

Cool, you’re going backwards.

[nova harness]

Forwards

[oblique dirge]

if you move backwards relative to where you were facing before pressing a button then you have moved backwards

[balmy storm]

^^^

[nova harness]

If you go 360 degrees from forward, you are still forward

[scarlet basalt]

I think that yeah infested liches will return to their human form ? But it also not make much sense bcz then they would have 0 weapon 😭😭 since it's seems to be locked in a currency system

[balmy storm]

If I push the button to go backwards and I go backwards relative to my prior position then it doesn’t matter what the animation is, I went backwards

The important thing is whats relative to the camera not the player

[nova harness]

It makes that backwards your new forwards

With Dash you could actually go backwards

[balmy storm]

If I walk backward I’m still moving backwards despite facing forwards

[oblique dirge]

backwards becomes your new forwards after you have already moved backwards

[balmy storm]

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-11477089642801859131

[karmic blade]

What in the everloving Sol

[full warren]

I used to walk backwards everywhere at my elementary school, memorized all the paths, am now autistic

[woeful patio]

Being hunted down by a speedsters metal infested bot that destroy everything on its path must be the most terrifying experience possible

[timid rapids]

(Lotus Eaters Spoilers)
Oh, maybe it wasn't the best idea making them look exactly the same

[balmy storm]

mini me moment

[zenith jacinth]

No, no, it definitely was the best idea

[wispy jasper]

Big themed comic villain family energy. Mama and her special children.

[covert tree]

You vs the guy she told you not to worry about you

[timid rapids]

Funny enough I've chosen nearly all the light side choices lol

[odd meteor]

i wish i had known some of the choices would hav affected gameplay tho...wish i could change my choice related to the ||lotus||

[rain otter]

It tells you that choice matters.

And is permanent. Like twice.

[rain otter]

It's not light and dark it's like Ying and yang.

[rain otter]

You have to confirm it like cuz it asks are you sure so you would have to do through like 2 text boxes to confirm the choice.

[odd meteor]

still, all the other choices i had made i hadnt seen affect later stuff in the game, so i just made the choice i thought i should...srry i misunderstood stuff...

[rain otter]

I feel like this is your fault.

Just a little.

[odd meteor]

true, i could hav tried to look into it more before making the choice, but also i wasnt blaming anyone for it

[rain otter]

Fair

[timid rapids]

I feel so justified not having ||drank the kuva|| either of the times I did that quest

I knew that when one of my friends was joking about it that it was a bad thing.

[covert tree]

If you dont like her not being lotus turn on spoiler mode

[odd meteor]

its more that i think i would hav wanted her to be margoliz (not sure the spelling)

[covert tree]

Margulis is it name or skin wise you wanted to pick?

[odd meteor]

ik i can get the skin with plat, but its mainly the name

[covert tree]

Oh

[timid rapids]

I genuinely wonder if anybody picks Natah.

[covert tree]

People have

I am not one of them

[nova harness]

Margulis is the objectively wrong choice

[warm anvil]

i think i know somebody who's going to pick natah for sure

[covert tree]

Yeah....

[earnest temple]

canonically (pom2 records) she picks natah

oh wait nvm it just picks what you picked

[obtuse gyro]

** SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT **

Ballas is dead. The Lotus, now free from Ballas’s conditioning, has chosen a preferred primary name and form.

Continuing to monitor.

it dont say what

[earnest temple]

i swear when i read it ingame it was natah but its not rip

[chilly merlin]

New war.

||Teshin... 😭 ...||

[obtuse gyro]

finished new war or only just finished act 1?

[chilly merlin]

Finished

[obtuse gyro]

then dont worry teshin is alive

then again you dont find that out at the end of TNW

[chilly merlin]

Really?! YAY!

OK I'm happy now.

[obtuse gyro]

yea Duviri teshin is our teshin

[chilly merlin]

Oh yeah. Guess he's always alive.

I also want a warframe that's just teshin. He's my favorite lol

[undone lodge]

You mean a Dax Warframe?

[chilly merlin]

Nope. Just teshin. I like teshin lol

[nova harness]

A frame that's teshin is just Umbra 2

[chilly merlin]

Umbra is close. But I wouldn't call him teshin.

[nova harness]

The only difference would be at best frame and abilities and trauma

Not much difference

[chilly merlin]

I wish there was a game mode where we play as tenshin then lol

[scarlet basalt]

So they've confirmed to keep nyx's 4 huh

[formal grove]

it's funny how in the Gemini skin showcase, Nyx changes to Eleanor in just one frame without anything to block the sight to hide the swap

then again, DE's probably still doing some finishing touches on the swap animations

[merry zealot]

judging by the new comic, were arthur and aoi lovers?

[soft pumice]

Elinor be thicc

[winged oxide]

webcomic was whackums

[bronze glen]

Uhhh

[finite sphinx]

His 1st is like Banshee Sonar

[harsh falcon]

I'm a nyx main. Have been sense game release. Any news on the rework?

[winged oxide]

november 29th at devstream

[harsh falcon]

I hope it's good. I'd love for nyx to be on par with a lot of end game frames

[winged oxide]

very valid, i tried running her on one of my very first steel path attempts for that armour stripping, hopefully they lock in

[scarlet basalt]

oh nvm i thought you meant eleanor lmao
I think they're besties idkk
but they do feel like that

[winged oxide]

lmfao

[harsh falcon]

She has ways of surviving but it's a fine line. Rn they only thing keeping her alive in steel path is her 4th and augment. But I still die when corpus strip my abilities and infested drain my energy

[winged oxide]

so valid, i hope they give her a good buff because most of her abilities seem to just fall short

[harsh falcon]

Agreed. Armor strip is good for big targets, but useless in general aoe gameplay. Her first just isn't enough for anything. Her 3ed doesn't work well enough to make it useful in high levels

[wispy jasper]

I really just want them to destroy the 4 vfx and work on making mind control fun. Everything else is gravy

[harsh falcon]

I miss my og main nyx.

[winged oxide]

I think mind control can be similar to how revenant kinda has his thralls? maybe something there

[harsh falcon]

If they made her 4th have the abilities of the augment without needing the mod, it would be better. For mind controll, if you could take over like 5-10 enemies and have then do things like circle you to guard again incoming dmg, or seek and destroy

[winged oxide]

Oh like a little bit of Kahl gameplay that would be sick

[harsh falcon]

Yes

Like how Spartans form up in a box

[soft pumice]

Good lord don't make them killable by allys

[wispy jasper]

Sounded like they probably weren’t doing much with new functionality unfortunately, but I think she really should be THE intentional control character.

[winged oxide]

Hopefully not lmfao that would render her useless again

[harsh falcon]

Her abilities just aren't significant enough in high level content

[winged oxide]

She should be, but its probably just a change to the stats of the abilities like it was to trinity

[scarlet basalt]

Oh my god
Cyte-09 sounds very good ??
It's more dependant on skills and allow you to nuke through skills hello??

[harsh falcon]

If you mind controlled enemy took incoming dmg instead of you, that would be worth it

As long as you have someone mind controlled you don't take dmg

[winged oxide]

Yeah like they take the heat off the battle, takes heat off of defense targets

[harsh falcon]

Exactly. If her 3ed made enemies believe you were not there, almost like your invisible

Makes more sense

They attack each other like normal but you block yourself from their mind

[scarlet basalt]

cyte 09 could be great against eidolon type of ennemies, maybe he will be very meta against them for a cheap and good one
(i guess his meta will be preparation mod bcz of how you will have to work with him)

[harsh falcon]

Even something like her 2nd strips armor and steals energy from enemies, fulling energy for her 4th

I hope the devs read this. My ideas for nyx have been thought about for years

[merry zealot]

bro what happend here, was she just not wearing pants?

[soft pumice]

If anything I want both revinent and calabain mind controlled subjects to only be killable by the caster

[winged oxide]

So valid

[winged oxide]

I hope so too cuz these are exactly what she needs. What good is an ability if they just get blown up in 2 seconds

[harsh falcon]

Exactly

[soft pumice]

Those abilities are fine but the fact Ally's can kill them basically makes them worthless outside of solo use and how often do you find your self useing those mine control abilities in solo play on those specific frames?

[winged oxide]

^^ exactly the point, with AOE weapons becoming meta or just being popularly used they're just going to catch stray bullets

I know I love the bramma

[scarlet basalt]

Cyte-09 has a single target weapon that AOE

[wispy jasper]

They probably also need to make everything not evaporate quite so fast again, in general. Basically leaves no flexibility for interesting design.

[soft pumice]

steps in Kalvuro and marked for death

[scarlet basalt]

Kullervo making sniper great again

[soft pumice]

Wish marked for death was more useful. It will only deal 150% of the next shot with of damage (doesn't count multi shot and won't do overflow damage if the shot is lethal)

It only deals damage from a single bullet up to Foes maximum hp

So if you shot them with a gun that instakills them but used multi shot to achieve it. It would only deal damage = to the singular bullet not the multiple bullets

It's so bad. Marked for death show be a 1 second window when attacking that all damage is redirected

[soft pumice]

Idk but she got goo on her

[jovial bison]

I'm assuming this says something along the lines of "Target neutralized"?

[still moat]

cyte abilities are out

i suspected there'd have to be some gimmick for the exalt sniper to be relevant in game modes where you have to kill a third of a thousand dudes instead of single target eliminations being relevant

and so there is: chain kills

[north hamlet]

Those abilities really make him the crack shot Quincy claims he is

[still moat]

i imagine seek will be along the lines of...

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zenith

this ol' thing

there's not much point seeing enemies through walls if the punchthrough mechanic is insufficient to actually reach them

resupply is iiinteresting. I wonder which of these will be their helminth?

[jovial bison]

This basically confirms we will be getting 1999 the week after TGA

So I'm betting on maybe Dec 16 or 17 for a release date?

Seems incredibly close to vacation time for DE which worries me lol

[still moat]

also checking out the bundles...

Reconifex (Signature Weapon - Sniper Rifle)
exalt sniper frames comes with a signature sniper, no surprise there

presumably that's the LMG looking assault rifle he's using at the mall for target practice

oh, cool, the comic's out.