spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

Also yes Jade retained sapience for her entirety of being alive

She was focused on Sorren and the Baby

[graceful thorn]

"it was not their force of will, not their void devilry. It was that somehow from within the derelict horror, they managed to see inside an ugly, broken thing, and take away its pain."

[balmy storm]

Yeah, it wasn’t just that the tenno had transference but that they had empathy
Which to an Orokin is a scary super power lmao

[proper frost]

And if so. I wanna know what's fueling his powers, my original thought was frames are kinda like a lens for void energy to be shot through and produce the power, so like ember you get fire, excal sword stuff. Etc. What would be fueling stalkers? Just pure edginess?

[balmy storm]

I was more so just stating the timeline though
Warframes lose it
They’re scrapped
Tenno show up
Transference is discovered
Orokin make the kids pilot the Warframes, now with reduced sapience

[balmy storm]

All warframes are void powered

The tenno do not power the frames, only pilot them

[proper frost]

Ah void pre installed kinda deal

[balmy storm]

Yeah, void tech

It’s how they do. Everything they do p much

That means Stalker may have gotten a lil headache when Grandmother made an attempt on the Heart’s life

[proper frost]

I know for second dream it's kinda like your more powerful since your directly transferring into the frame now so it's like more potent

[balmy storm]

Innate transference

There’s two types of transference, innate and through somatics
The tenno used somatics for a time because their abilities were sealed away but they become unsealed in the war within

In the second dream it’s likely somatic transference tbh

[proper frost]

War within more innate

Since you mess around with tranferring into other mediums, like the maw or the queen. Temporally

[balmy storm]

Btw the difference between the two types is somatic transference is just utilizing the somatic technology, anyone can do it
But innate transference is unique to the Tenno (and maybe Wally)

[balmy storm]

We don’t transfer into the queen

[proper frost]

You void sling into her for a split second to get the staff

[balmy storm]

From what we’ve seen you can’t transfer into a conscious being unless they’re affixed with a transference bolt

[balmy storm]

That’s not transference, thats just void sling

[proper frost]

You popped right out of her body, atleast that's how the cutsecene visually looked to me

Was imagining it like how in legend of Korra spirits can kinda split second body jack someone

[balmy storm]

That was def not transference in that scene though

Just good old void dash sling

[tight pagoda]

Googled “the war within cutscenes” to see it for myself and provide a link for debate

Only results were World of Warcraft

[proper frost]

Damn you wow

[balmy storm]

lmao

[graceful thorn]

Yeah I just see that as passing through her instead of trying to take over her body

[balmy storm]

yeah

We have never been able to control a conscious mind unless they have a transference bolt

[tight pagoda]

https://youtu.be/0PXTHsFFSfw?t=925&feature=shared

Passing through her, not controlling her

It’s like the gameplay mechanic with the Kuva Guardians, it’s just to disorientate them

[proper frost]

Oh I wasn't saying we were, I was saying it looked like we just used her body as a "platform" to get her staff quickly and stun her during it

[balmy storm]

Ah

[hoary seal]

rip ayatan

[tight pagoda]

I don’t think we’re fully within her, it seems like we pass through like she’s a window

[proper frost]

Like not us trying to body jack, but using transference like a quick "hey imma use your body to kinda sling shot me past ya"

[tight pagoda]

Could’ve been the tauforged shard

[proper frost]

Better example, like Skyrim when two objects get stuck together, and we get shot away

Weaponized Skyrim physics

[oblique dirge]

thats still just a void sling, nothing to do with transference

[proper frost]

Further detail, yes void sling, but you do void sling stop inside her cuz there is straight up a moment we are not physically there, we are just all up in her, then come slinging out, like we are inside her physically

[graceful thorn]

Looks like 1 more reason to go murder your lich/ Sister.

[proper frost]

Side note, tenno just being able to do that is not painting fun images, like you can just go through people

[tight pagoda]

Lich, I don’t think sisters steal anything but credits

[graceful thorn]

We can also turn both invisible and intangible so who can actually kill us

[balmy storm]

Void mode

[proper frost]

Yeah rewatching it, there is the void sling effect, along side the transference out effect where our body gets all unwrinkled

We s chest burster her kinda

[graceful thorn]

Seriously we can fall out of the sky at terminal velocity and as long as we are in void mode before we hit the ground then our shins are fine

[balmy storm]

Or if you roll

[graceful thorn]

Can't roll as your operator

[proper frost]

I mean frames also can survive falling from low orbit

[balmy storm]

You can, its just visually a slide but functionally a roll

[graceful thorn]

I think I tried that and took damage but maybe I remember wrong

[proper frost]

You also can't really kill tenno

[oblique dirge]

well its not like you can equip rolling guard to your operator

[balmy storm]

I’m going off of my 5+ years of experience, you do a roll and you dont take damage

[proper frost]

Drifters can roll

[tight pagoda]

But you can send them back to h-

• Ballas

[balmy storm]

If your tenno or drifter fall from a high height and you roll right before you hit the ground you dont take damage

Yes the Operator visually does not roll but mechanically they do.

[oblique dirge]

without rolling guard rolls just give you some damage reduction

[graceful thorn]

Yeah but it's alot easier to just void mode because as long as you have the energy for it, it doesn't require you to time it at all

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying which one is easier I’m just stating a general fact :|

[proper frost]

It wasn't a matter of which is more easy. It's just an alternative, tho one doesn't consume void energy so technically the roll method is more "efficient" technically

[graceful thorn]

I have maxed out void energy and void energy Regen so I don't really care

[balmy storm]

Rolling as your warframe after falling from a high height is also good to do, no knockdown anim

[graceful thorn]

Sliding works too

[proper frost]

Was a joke, if we are being honest you can just transference mid air anyways and if your using an arcane that benefits that then that method is better than both

[graceful thorn]

Fair

[proper frost]

Speaking of transference, anyone think if you have a Gemini skin when you go drifter or operator mode they will behave like umbra? Or be stationary

[graceful thorn]

Guess we'll have to wait and find out

[proper frost]

That would actually be a good middle ground to people wanting more umbras technically, cuz if it's not the. Atleast umbra can use the skin and still move, so you have Arthur fighting with ya

[fading current]

I recently was playing mag and switched to my drifter for a second and she was moving around still. Doing her idle animations or just looking around. So maybe it’ll be like that..?

Was definitely a bug but was still cool lol

[night grail]

Once my friend was playing mag and was in running around outside the warframe and the mag would look at me

Very slightly but it was enough to notice

[fading current]

Lmao that’d be lowkey freaky

[night grail]

It was definitely a bug in regards to them being able to move their head in accordance with the camera but it was weird

[fading current]

Ooooh I did record it!!! Let me grab the vid.

I was like “hold up…is she…is she moving?” 🤣

[signal kayak]

does stalker still hunt us after jade shadows cannonicaly or does he still do so just for gameplay reasons?

[compact haven]

He's still after us I'm pretty sure

Like actually and not just for gameplay sake.

[signal kayak]

ahh ok

i just remembered that ordis had a voiceline where he says somehing along the lines of "ordis hopes that the stalker will let go of his vendetta, one day"

[compact haven]

Especially since he spawns as the green version from the quest and when there's a jade in the squad hes basically just like

[signal kayak]

he doesnt want to sleep on the couch

[compact haven]

Pretty much, he drops his goods and goes home

[balmy storm]

He still hates the tenno but our relationship is more complicated now

[fading current]

Especially after he came to us during jade shadows. That had to have meant SOMETHING to him

[undone lodge]

He chose his grandchild’s secret twin that he’d never met before over the one he had known and gave them the family heirloom

[simple python]

Typical grandfather

[scarlet basalt]

Amazing that he is protector stalker but still go beating a kid

[warm anvil]

i may be a father but im not above beating you up

[zenith jacinth]

He's not the operator's protector

[undone lodge]

He knows about those missed beats during the contractions rhythm game and he isn’t gonna let it slide

[lone inlet]

Dam what is happening

[zenith jacinth]

Erra

[lone inlet]

Very long legs also how u been it’s Been a minute

[zenith jacinth]

I got the other two gauss prime bps I needed earlier

Now I don't have anything to distract me from koumei farming again... a shame

[zenith jacinth]

Got a necramech and railjack?

[lone inlet]

I have a ship but not. Robot

[zenith jacinth]

Oo

[lone inlet]

It look hard asf to build one

Ima just do it whenever I can the open world stuff is confusing for me

[zenith jacinth]

It's annoying even after they made it easier to build voidrig three times

Cut the resource costs in half, added full bp set as a quest reward, added broken parts to father's inventory

And then there's bonewidow

[lone inlet]

Yea it looks like a pain

Ima just try to get stronger stuff

Gotta unlock this steel path stuff

[signal ermine]

new war is cool

[warm anvil]

you cant without playing all the story missions

also necramech is super easy to get now. get the broken parts from father and then just grab the resources needed on the blueprints for the voidrig, if you hover of the resource it will tell u how to get it

[signal ermine]

Pretty big thing to throw at me what does this affect the game?

[tiny ibex]

her appearance you get (you can change after)

and how her texts are named

[signal ermine]

ah.. so if i pick lotus i can still select margulis and natah as skins?

[tiny ibex]

yeah the skins you can change later

the display name no as far as I am aware, and of course the choice also affects your "affinity"

[signal ermine]

good cuz lotus feels like the right choice but i want margulis

[tiny ibex]

I picked Lotus since the game kinda still makes her out to be the default

up to you of course

and imo, that's her true identity now, she was never actually margulis, but took her role to us, so she earned a bit of that

she was Natah, but to be fair to her she did change her allegiance and I guess took pity on us

so idk the middle feels best to me

[signal ermine]

Yeah lotus just feels right

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis is who she was forced to be, natah is the identity she fears, lotus is the one she chose to be

[balmy badger]

Yes, but you will have to buy them with plat, the one you pick is the skin you get for free, and the name she uses regardless of what skin you have equipped.

You also get classic Lotus for free regardless of what option you pick, if you want to revert her back to her original design.

[warm anvil]

YOU CHOSE WELL

anything but lotus just feels wrong to me

[signal ermine]

im getting that margulis skin

ballas might be crazy but he had a nice taste

[simple python]

It's just lotus without her helmet tbh

[nova harness]

Hair with physics too

[simple python]

That's really close to being something else.

[tight pagoda]

I bought the Eidolon Lotus because I wanted Natah’s voice filter (if you didn’t know, the skin affects the voice, Margulis has almost no filter, Natah and Eidolon have a stronger filter, and the other ones have the filter you’re used to)

[nova harness]

Margulis is Lotus without the Sentient voice and calmer

[atomic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[rain otter]

btw you can costumize her colors and stuff at her helment.

[simple python]

Someone play The Lotus Eaters with Eidolon Lotus active.

We can't replay the quest as of rn sadly.

[signal ermine]

Love the drifter camp..

Omg its so easy to go out of bounds on the drifter camp

Ugh... they should prob fix it

:) not doing anything bad just going for a stroll out of bounds to take photos

wow this place is far bigger than what i expected

Ok thats enough out of bounds this place mad scary

[tight pagoda]

We can still approach her, however

[tight pagoda]

You can actually go out of bounds with the decoration tool too, and go all the way to edit the Skybox

[signal ermine]

i did use the decoration mode

[signal ermine]

I assume fixing the out of bounds isn't a priority for them since i found bug reports about it from months ago

[signal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-damn-ar-one-enel-gif-26279142

[tight pagoda]

I hope they don’t, it’s not harming the game

It’d be different if putting things in skyboxes crashes the game or prevents Drifter Camp from functioning

[signal ermine]

:( cant steal all the decorations from drifter camp like i did to dormizone

[tight pagoda]

Yeah there’s not too many “decorations”

There is Caliban’s Prex card though, hidden somewhere if you’ve leveled him to 30

[simple python]

Caliban's on drifter camp?

[tame harness]

Guys I just dreamed of having the new cosmetics of warframe 1999 ( Drifters outfits ) also available for the protoframes 💀

[tame harness]

No that's Styanax

[simple python]

Then Wh.

Where's Failiban????

[tame harness]

He really painful to get from Cetus and Fortuna bounties :
Scroll down to acquisition

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Caliban

[tight pagoda]

His Prex Card, not the Warframe. You need to do the Narmer bounties for Caliban.

[tame harness]

Im guessing ios ? 👀

[tight pagoda]

Yep this is iOS but it works on all platforms

From image 3, take a left and then you should see the rock formation of 4, you can climb onto it and see Caliban's prex if you've mastered him

I've already collected it so that's why its not there

[zenith jacinth]

Gain eyes

[woeful patio]

How you do that?.

[tight pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoDk5PW8OzE

also I used to have the exact same pfp as you until like 3 days ago

[woeful patio]

Wait what?? You also had rat Trinity??

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[balmy storm]

He’s not a failure anymore lmao

[rain otter]

This isn't actually that bad now that The bounties are always up in both.

[tender pine]

what a quest

[shrewd lotus]

thats one of the only things from games that almost left me crying ngl

the other thing was a game called sea solitude but thats another thing completly different

[tender pine]

the music is just

the main theme of the quest has some ghost of tsushima vibes to it lol

[fading current]

Can’t freaking wait for the 1999 comic. It looks so cool.
And honestly more pumped for the short. I’ve seen a lot of the work the line has done so I know for a fact they COOKED

[night grail]

Oh I loved that game

[obtuse gyro]

<@&778745217037238293>

[fading current]

Thank the void the mods are quick

[arctic sorrel]

I just had a wild theory for what Wally could do next in the Origin System

okay so you know how after The New War, sentients / Narmer / etc. just left Murexes everywhere, right?

well hmmm the void is basically poison to sentients, and those structures are also sentient

I thought "well if Wally does anything with those, they melt away from overexposure to void, perhaps"

but then in Conjunction Survival, every now & then the Sentient enemies somehow can become Corrupted

and then I remembered "Well Praghasa is also Sentient, she should've just melted when Wally appeared" but no that's not what happened either

so maybe just maybe, Wally can basically take all the abandoned structures throughout the Origin System and turn them into Murmur strongholds

and then the Murmur becomes a true system-wide threat, one that's not just confined to the Sanctum Anatomica & its surroundings

[arctic sorrel]

speaking of Sentients, it also just dawned upon me that all the original major factions technically have (had) amalgams by now

Wolf of Saturn Six (Grineer)
Corpus Amalgams (thanks to Alad V)
Caliban & Revenant (Infested, despite belonging to the Tenno)
Narmer / Ballas (the Orokin)

[zenith jacinth]

So far murmur have not been able to exist outside of the void

[obtuse gyro]

the muuuuuuuuurmurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[zenith jacinth]

Not during regular conjunction survival

[obtuse gyro]

you know what would fix that?

Void storms from here to mercury

[arctic sorrel]

I meant to say during Omnia fissures there, oof

anyway I need some sleep

[arctic sorrel]

I'd love even just an event where anything can become Corrupted, even the assassination bosses

even during Narmer missions, corrupted Archons lol

then I'd fall in love with Primed <Bane of / Expel / Smite> Orokin even more

oh I saw you said Void Storms, even better! OMNIA for those when???

[arctic sorrel]

💤

[night grail]

I feel like that's just a gameplay mechanic vs lore

Originally nowhere that could spawn sentients could have void fissures and they never thought about coding a special interaction probably if nobody would see it

[zenith jacinth]

Corrupted enemies aren't even void-related, they're just controlled by the neural sentry

[woeful patio]

Wich is orokin technology on void

Because this its bane mods are called corrupted orokin bane

[obtuse gyro]

that is highly incorrect now

[zenith jacinth]

Only orokin

[obtuse gyro]

the orokin faction mods do not have the word "corrupted" on them anymore

[zenith jacinth]

The faction was renamed to orokin because they are, in fact, not void corrupted

[obtuse gyro]

eh, this is an iffy one, since enemies do get corrupted when a void fissure explodes in their face

[zenith jacinth]

Void fissures spawn orokin enemies, so I'm guessing some neural sentry masks just leak out along with them

[scarlet basalt]

Warframe may be one of the two only games with every genre of music (FF14 has also a ton of genre for some reason lmao and it fit)

Bcz like how do you even explain having one update having techno and the other being rock
After another update with opera 😭😭

[signal ermine]

Kahl is looking ready for breaking veils

[simple python]

And niche case music such as Monastic Choir Club.

[scarlet basalt]

Also one thing that I was thinking : since some Warframe will be able to turn into Warframes... Huh did they talked about if they're going to be like umbra 😭😭😭
Bcz It would just be weird to see them a posing while we're in our operator

Like seeing grown adult doing nothing while a kid is doing their tantrum...

Hex Warframe I meant*

[simple python]

Gameplay wise no.

Except exclusively the Excalibur Umbra unit because their gameplay ai is coded for that.

[scarlet basalt]

F

[simple python]

Even if they're a spectre.

The umbra that transference uses, technically.

We'll see when 1999 comes and goes.

[scarlet basalt]

Sad
But quite funny to see a grown man looking at you removing eidolon shield and getting magnetic proc

[simple python]

We should organize a video for that demonstration

[signal ermine]

seeing this made me curious... what happens if u place a roomba in the skybox

[signal ermine]

"Operator I became a world ending entity"

[signal ermine]

Fixed it... I love you ordis plushie, please watch over me and Kahl cuz he's really cool.

I figured out theres a path behind where Kahl is and I was wondering is there something in here? or is it just open space for us to do whatever we want?

Found something

A decoration to add to my collection

[woeful patio]

Kahl got the walking tank fashion

[zenith jacinth]

Remember the eidolotus "fight" during tnw?

That's where it happens

[simple python]

Dang did I forget Yareli's Prex

[merry zealot]

do yall think the exalted blade clash of 1999 is really going to happen?

im starting to think thats just an tennocon/ trailer moment

[thick jolt]

except for og duviri trailer the things shown in tennocon have been in their respective quests

[chilly pine]

also was not expecting the 1999 teaser in wispers to be there too, so its likely going to be the scene when drifter goes to 1999

[zenith jacinth]

Unlikely since that point is when we switch to tenno/frame perspective, and I doubt that DE would force people to use excalimid for any longer than necessary

[chilly pine]

will probably be our equipped frame, they just used excal as the placeholder since well, excals the posterboy

[thick jolt]

dunno i could see it being excalibur

kinda like a probe unit sent to see if loids idea actually works

[chilly pine]

yeah once things settle and we make proper contact with the hex we'll switch to our frame instead of excal

that is another possibility

[thick jolt]

like with using one of the starters in the actual duviri quest

[zenith jacinth]

I'd rather DIE than use excalibur!

[tiny ibex]

why such a tough stance

Excalibur isn't amazing, but he's like home

[chilly pine]

think duviri was originally meant to be an alternate start, even if it made no sense being open from the get go (i still think it shouldve been locked until you get to about new war since thats when duviri actually means anything)

[tiny ibex]

I think it made new players even more confused

[chilly pine]

that was another problem too,

[zenith jacinth]

I just really don't like his lack of innate survivability

I heavily prefer tank playstyle over glass cannon

[tiny ibex]

oh that I understand, when I tried to main Umbra surviving was the biggest struggle

but I think he's just that type of frame meant more for regular relaxed content

[merry zealot]

oh wait, what if they makes us use umbra

[scarlet basalt]

1999 bringing umbra
Arthur is going to have a wild ride

[fading current]

I’m 10000% bringing umbra. I main the boy.

[flat magnet]

I gave my Umbra a retro soldier look (in warframe universe) but I lobotomised him so he’s basically a normal excal

[amber terrace]

Goofy ahh krestion: was the deal our Tenno made with The Indifference similar in face value as a contract with a Devil from Chainsaw Man? Like a Contract has you making a deal with a Devil for an aspect of their power, multiple people can make contracts with the same Devil, but there is some cost laid out in the deal. The only dissimilarity I can see is that in Chainsaw Man, if a Devil breaks a contract, it dies

[balmy storm]

I feel like not enough is known about the deal and Wally to really say

Iirc Baro didnt mention if he had to pay at all so the price could’ve been specific to the Tenno

[zenith jacinth]

I specifically designed a more "primitive" looking umbra with the proto skin, but I'm not sure if I'll bring him along (if we get to choose)

[night grail]

Wasn't it stated that warframe abilities aren't like set in stone and technically any frame could use any ability if they really wanted to or am I tripping

[obtuse gyro]

We should be able, I imagine it would be very tough for people without a base excalibur

[obtuse gyro]

Uuuuuh yesnt and no methinks? Like obviously their powers arent limited to the 4 abilities and passive, but they cant use any ability if they wanted to

[night grail]

I remember hearing it somewhere from someone

But I don't remember the source

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think theres much of a source

If anyone claims that warframes can use any abilities outside what is reasonable for them to use, like frost using embers fireball, then I think theres a case of void pressure bends

As in, that person is delulu

[night grail]

Helminth does make for some weird combinations

[obtuse gyro]

Mhmm, the helminth specifically has to inject a warframe with secretions in order for the frame to perform outside of its abilities

[zenith jacinth]

Frost: casts fireball
melts

[obtuse gyro]

I guess technically, a helminth could replace the whole powerset of a frame with a whole ton of juice, but given that its often a replacement of what was, "any ability" comes with limitations

[balmy storm]

I’d argue some abilities only work with specific frames because they’re outright designed to be the only frame that can utilize it, the more complex and unique the ability is the more likely it would need a specific frame to work

Like idk if Sevagoth’s Shadow or the Vast Untime would work well due to their specific designs and limitations

[pure vector]

The way my drifter said "No s-" is so funny 😭

[night grail]

Yeah that's fair

I know one of the whisper bosses can use exalted blade

[balmy storm]

The ones from the books?
I think that’s different since it’s a void entity

[night grail]

That's true but it is still something I've been thinking about in regards to the exalted blade clash in 1999

[balmy storm]

How is that related to that clash :?

[night grail]

Warframe abilities are fueled by the Void so it may not be impossible for abilities to be used by warframes we wouldn't think but it is still a very strange thing to see

[rain otter]

Drifter has lot of good lines this quest.

[fiery surge]

Pick the one you are most comfortable with

[weak nymph]

Okay

[scarlet basalt]

The fact that for one of the most serious cutscene they used an animation that is most likely related to cartoon is so funny 😭

[simple python]

So crisp

So fresh and so crisp

Anyway despite me hating the drifter part there I did love the quest

[maiden mural]

DE...where is my "Steal Vay Hek's Air" mission?

[soft pumice]

It's on earth go find it

[woeful patio]

We need to find a bug that skips void vor villain monologue

[wicked iron]

It used to be Earth Survival, back when the Grineer would turn off the Earth's atmosphere and you had to use life support. RIP old Earth Survival.

[lusty apex]

In Duviri or Void? Because in Duviri he shuts up immediately once you kill him

Also his speech in void doesn’t makes sense

"Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers."

Tenno don’t use any keys to get into Void

I know it was a thing in much older versions of warframe but it doesn’t makes sense

[oblique dirge]

theres this thing called a metaphor

[balmy storm]

Iirc they used to hence why its there

Also yeah it could be interpreted as a metaphor now

[thick jolt]

it might not be something we do every time we go into a void mission but void keys are still part of getting into the void in other parts of gameplay

not many granted

but id say they are pretty big examples

like the portals in void sabotage and a couple quests

or to turn on the reliquary drive in the railjack

so while not a part of everyday gameplay i'd hardly say they were written off of lore

[lusty apex]

But it wasn’t metaphorical in first place

[oblique dirge]

i take it more like, the tenno only have access to the void because it was granted to them by wally. where vor somehow merged with the void more directly and became part of it

[thick jolt]

thats just like the thing with people thinking lotus made a deal with wally to put lua in the void

if the tech to do that already exists why need a deal ?

[half oriole]

Ehm, guys. Is having still that thing normal?

[native snow]

its an easter egg

[half oriole]

Yeah, I remember stuff of Second Dream... but I did all the quest and so much time happened

*passed

[wicked iron]

That's when the line is from, back when we still used Void Keys to get to Void missions.

[lusty apex]

Ik but why DE didn’t change it

[fierce summit]

Sometimes you just get slapped with a teaser for an update that came out 9 years ago

[mellow herald]

@granite ferry ask here

[tardy kindle]

It would be so simple to just model swap the keys back for real, why keep the cabbages?

[lusty apex]

Requiem relics

You can’t just swap back to keys

[tardy kindle]

True that

[zenith jacinth]

The tsd teaser chance doesn't get disabled at any point

[quick mauve]

W rhino fashion

[half oriole]

not focused to fashionframe

[wicked iron]

I'm actually sad we won't be able to be our Operator in 1999. We went from being the Chosen Operator to suddenly completely irrelevant. 😦

[flat magnet]

Still the same person tho

[native snow]

The operator has been through enough lmao

[balmy storm]

If I had to guess after 1999 we will be able to bring Operator

But also Operator is fighting the fight on the Origin System side of things

[wicked iron]

Not really, since their personalities are totally different and such.

[zenith jacinth]

Not completely irrelevant, it's just necessary that drifter goes likely because they're less connected to wally

Also dating system

Would be weird to do that with the child character

[balmy storm]

Mainly dating system

[flat magnet]

It’s just how their respective circumstances would’ve changed them, it’s really not that different from how you were as a child and how you are now

[balmy storm]

Different traumas, same kid

[zenith jacinth]

I'm still just as stupid and awkward as I was as a kid

[scarlet basalt]

nahh i think those are two different things :

The operator stay as the chosen operator because he will be able to wield the titan construct
To be safe from wally's shenanigan, the drifter who is mostly someone who is not linked to wally (in some way he is bcz of op/duviri) is going to go to albretch without being noticed by wally (?)
Tho it also mean that DE will may show some very drastic change to the warframe universe at the next tennocon

or maybe since they're the same person they're still the chosen operator

[balmy storm]

Wally def knows they’re going to 1999 though, he hitches a ride in our brain during whispers

[scarlet basalt]

i think lotus said something about drifter being the champion should go bcz if it was our operator it would be way too risky and near impossible to return safely

[balmy storm]

Drifter is also “our Paradox”

[scarlet basalt]

we're fighting a paradox with a paradox real

[wicked iron]

I honestly think the reason was because of the romance aspect. Would have been rather not great to have a teen sharing a kiss with an adult lol

[balmy storm]

Yeahh

But I think they also have a real purpose to it too

[scarlet basalt]

ngl i hope that if drifter goes to 1999... He would bring more advanced technology weapon to duviri...
Bcz thrax know too well that he isn't prepared for what is to come

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t Duviri have more advanced tech than 1999?

[scarlet basalt]

yes and no ? They don't have gun tho...
They have bow instead

only drifter has a gun

[balmy storm]

Bows are good too tho

[scarlet basalt]

for some reason thrax didn't felt like putting an ak for them

[balmy storm]

Thrax has Dax

[scarlet basalt]

duviri dax meeting hollow vein and see his body being desintegrated by a laser

[balmy storm]

Or imitation dax rather

[scarlet basalt]

to be fair, thank god dax are trained to work in group
Murmur are...Weird in their movements, they feel somehow disoriented in fight

If murmur were oriented in their fight we wouldn't survive, imagine the legged dude pushing you to the ground while they bring a hollow vein to dissect your
Or anatomizer shooting from afar like turrets
Or gruzzling having reinforcement instead of just walking away

[zenith jacinth]

The vessels currently are just oversized complicated time machines

[tight pagoda]

Yeah as cool as a Vessel mechfight sounds, it would be pretty lame if that’s somehow the final fight against MITW

[scarlet basalt]

he wanted to make kaiju fight for some reason tho

[zenith jacinth]

Who did?

[formal grove]

I hope that in 1999, we can see how the Infestation affects minds through On-Lyne

did one of them get affected then pass it to the others?

[balmy storm]

Albrecht, he made the vessels for a reason

[formal grove]

or were they always Infested from the start?

[balmy storm]

It’s plausible the on-lyne boys were never real and were always infested, any media about them being fabricated

It def seems like the city state of hollvania wants to control through media

[formal grove]

also, does the Infestation work like stripping you of your free will to join the hivemind, warp your perception, twist your thought process, or alter your morality?

also, is it possible that it's a "two people, one body" thing for Infested and host like the symbiotes from Marvel?

[zenith jacinth]

He never got to complete them, and their purpose isn't noted anywhere, is it?

[balmy storm]

No, I don’t believe so

[zenith jacinth]

Hivemind

[formal grove]

yeah, you become part of the hivemind, but what about yourself?

does your morality/perception get twisted, and if yes, how?

[zenith jacinth]

Depends on how well you can continue to exist after being painfully mutated into an often vaguely animal-like creature

[zenith jacinth]

The hivemind removes your self

The entrati are proof, they are actively forgetting who they are

If a hivemind doesn't take away all of what you are then that's not a hivemind, that's just a cult

[wicked iron]

I was under the impression that they had done live shows or such, though.

[wicked iron]

We have been able to help them quite a bit, fortunately. 😄 Same with Granny's remedies, which I initially thought were snake oil lol

[tight pagoda]

He made the Vessels but I doubt it was for combat. I think it’s just for transference purposes. We puppet the Vessel which then mimics what the actual ProtoFrames were doing (like the Nine Inch Nails transition) which then helps us ease into the experience

But that’s just conjecture

Until DE says anything we don’t know

All I’m hoping for is that if we do get a Kaiju fight, it’s not just a button mash

[balmy storm]

I think the only mention of a live show is the stadium but I might be wrong

[scarlet basalt]

The vessels (Albretch's note)

Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.

For some reason he wanted true kaiju fight

[zenith jacinth]

Weird. Well, now they're just time machines

[scarlet basalt]

Albretch is like mrbeast, having a lot of money to fuel his fantasy

[oblique dirge]

theyre not time machines either

[zenith jacinth]

We'll be using them to travel to 1999 so in a way they are

[jagged sable]

As Loid put it they have a connection to the test subjects he believes he can exploit. so....technically not wrong.

[scarlet basalt]

The lore of the arg really feels like the infestation are older than 1999

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, it is the plague year of 1999

[woeful patio]

@celest narwhal you finnaly got your precious xaku, how you feel?

[woven obsidian]

what quest do I need to finish for me to get shedu blueprint?

[woeful patio]

On the erra quest

[balmy storm]

Amazing

[woeful patio]

The blueprints and components is on red veil

[night grail]

What

[simple python]

Iirc the Spotify Description establishes they have been there at least for a decade so far. Weird place for small lore, IK, I gotta find it but iirc they released one song before Party of Your Lifetime.

[winged glen]

It’s in the article from the ARG

[simple python]

This

[winged glen]

Oh i guess they changed it lol

[flat magnet]

Arthur will look back in this moment and be like why Tf did I just start breaking it down in the middle of a plague

that’s how he knew there was someone in his head

[winged glen]

Fun fact that song was released in 1999

[simple python]

Did they also mention when "RUNNING LATE" dropped or nah?

[winged glen]

I think so in the article

[simple python]

Ah. Well I have no heart to get into the arg rn.

Hopefully someone compiles the info once the arg is completed. What is the goal of it btw?

[winged glen]

Here’s the article btw

[covert tree]

Arthur is baby girl

[simple python]

So this is post- Party of Your Lifetime... but not Post New Years.

Oh! That's March or some "-Arch", 1999

[winged glen]

Yeah, new year’s is the confirmed date when the hex loses

As of witw

[simple python]

Considering that Sol and Lua are mythological figures in Höllvania... it's a bit probable that some stuff may have changed, maybe not?

Mars is still called Mars after all, and if you didn't know, March is derived from the name Mars, roman god of War, Masculinity, etc. I'm droning.

[woeful patio]

"Dont get on transference be the transference tenno "

[woeful patio]

Red veil

[simple python]

The chronal dating order is dd/mm/yyyy too. The H is partially bisected with the rest covered under the coffee stain. Hmn. So they released Party of Your Lifetime sometime in 1999... February.

Or maybe January? Judging on how long it'd take for an article and interview to happrn and print.

[zenith jacinth]

Just veil

[woeful patio]

I think from all cephalobs i found ao far... Even simaris has better sense of humor then you

Ops sorry cephalons

[tight pagoda]

From the lyrics “Here on the edge of 1999”, it sounds like Party of Your Lifetime released later in the year

[woeful patio]

Infested back street boys

I wonders what will be the connection on lotus and the 1999

Like what will happen on middle of it

Will she quit again

Die

Kidnapped

[zenith jacinth]

The joke wasn't funny

[simple python]

Yeah but the date on the article is probably March, and the article itself mentions Party of your Lifetime.

Anyway, about that lotus thing. Idk. She might be posessed by the indifference. Maybe.

Either way its clear that like the sisters, the coda viruses are hype boys for the big bad. For the sisters, it was Parvos.

For the Coda Viruses, it's clearly Walbrecht

[tight pagoda]

They probably won’t get rid of Lotus again after there was a 4 year period of her being gone, plus now she’s got cosmetic items worth Plat

[simple python]

True.

She might be on the backburner at least

[woeful patio]

Proving my point again dont ya

[woeful patio]

"lotus eaters"... The indiference death threatening lotus, lotus with the same air of self sacrifice again, she saying she will keep wally on the bay

Idk but something not so good will happen with lotus

Or she will be rlly rlly wounded again

Or will lose alot of her powers

[zenith jacinth]

If you have to explain a joke for people to understand it then it's just objectively not a good joke

[woeful patio]

🤓☝️

[zenith jacinth]

Out of arguments?

[woeful patio]

Nope just dont taking it seriously

[zenith jacinth]

*not 🤓 ☝️

[woeful patio]

"Using my spells against me potter?"

[balmy storm]

If this turns out to be the case then I wonder if that’s why the infestation fears the void

[simple python]

Idk. It could be that the void messes up the hivemind if they aren't impervious to void radiation like humans.

[scarlet basalt]

I think they're showing basically that for some reason the link of vessel and hex member somehow allow time travelling
So there could be like infestation always has been time traveling ? After all they're smart
The hivemind could fear wally because of the constant presence in the void he could be ? Like somehow detecting him

[woeful patio]

Well i mean we cant use the vessel anymore bc we kinda messed it up

And its cuddling void vessel

I think this is the main reason we will be traveling around... With railjack i think?

[scarlet basalt]

Loid say that we will use the vessel to go in 1999
Railjack for the last part of infested liches

[simple python]

We'll maybe use Eleanor's Vessel

There's a ton of vessels scattered around the place. Not sure if us inhabiting the vessel was supposed to transfer us to Arthur. Doesn't feel like it according to Loid's surprise.

[woeful patio]

You mean the female looking vessel?

Well its almost full complete like arthur's vessel

[scarlet basalt]

with how 1999 is shown this may be... Weirder ?
Like :

We used the vessel of arthur to be in his head for a moment while he kill infestation and try to find albretch (who seems to have been possessed by wally) WITW
Loid tell us that we're going to use the vessel to go there by some weird link somehow linking within the void, the first time DE broke the "4th wall" (iirc from a prime access there was some lore about how there's a wall that no one could go beyond)
We spawn from a 1999 helminth ?
I don't really understand ngl

[tropic venture]

Current guesses are that we in Lotus Eaters set up the "date" on the Kinepage, so we can get the Helminth to 1999, for it to produce a Warframe we can then Transference into, thus fully reaching 1999 ourselves

[scarlet basalt]

That would be wild if our we travel to 1999
From our helminth
But you make a ton of sense somehow lmao

[tropic venture]

we do know that we'll only play as Arthur in the beginning

[scarlet basalt]

i mean dude eat our cat, he never told us that he can't eat us

[tropic venture]

so that Excalibur he meets might very well be us

[scarlet basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-helminth-burger-eat-nom-nom-nom-gif-27322680

IIRC de told us that yes this is us
They added pvp against the hex lmaooo

[tropic venture]

Arthur saying "What devils follow you, Entrati?" is also a big hint

since the Tenno are "devils from that Other Hell"

[scarlet basalt]

to be fair
They don't know that we exist
he must have referenced it to the spiky helminth spawning replica of excalibur

[tropic venture]

yeah he's not mentioning us intentionally, but contextually it hints to that Excalibur being us

[scarlet basalt]

No wonder people are scared of the tenno, must be wild to see a child kill hundred of soldiers in 1 minute

[tropic venture]

the Sanctum Vessel being diverted to Arthur was likely how Albrecht planned to get his encrypted message to us, since said message was hidden in the Transference Stream

kinda showing us the "bad ending" if we're late

the Excalibur is pretty much interrupting Arthur when he's on his way to that ending

[scarlet basalt]

5d chess against an eldritch monster

Game going wild

[warm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/pibble-gif-3189076933757992368

feeding the helminth void gel for the billionth time

[tropic venture]

mmm I'm so full from Voidgel Orbs and Nav Coordinates yum

[scarlet basalt]

i hope they're going to rotate the ressource to remove archon shard bcz wtf
Stop with the bile

also why the hell are we feeding void to the infestation wtf is wrong with us

no wonder we can go to 1999 if they can even eat voidgel

[tropic venture]

the Helminth is according to Ballas "a hybrid", so it likely has aspects of Orokin Void tech in it

[scarlet basalt]

yeahh also the hex iirc are primed but he also said that there's some void in them

[tropic venture]

well the Protoframes are kinda like mutated only part-way, but Albrecht wasn't able to just fully stop the Helminth put in them, hence the stuff like Arthur and Eleanor seeming sick

[undone lodge]

Not Primed as in Prime frames

[tropic venture]

Void is repellant to Infestation (granted it repels all Reality) so that might be a part of how he managed to stop the mutation part-way

[undone lodge]

To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation.

He means Primed as in in making them ready to use, like priming an explosive

[tropic venture]

ye

[scarlet basalt]

yeah that's what i meant lol

Man really became nova for some moment

[tropic venture]

I think they never actually say "thing got primed" in the context of Primes in-game

might just be a fan-term

[scarlet basalt]

wait fr ? i thought it was said

[tropic venture]

Varzia or some other might, haven't really checked

[tropic venture]

yeah, but that's not referring to Primes capital P

[scarlet basalt]

It really feels like warframe is going to put the funniest text sometime
He said primed
Are the hex going to say : "we're a frame of war, a war frame"

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[tropic venture]

well Ballas says "my frames of war" in the Vitruvian

[scarlet basalt]

ohh true

[tropic venture]

and it's a pretty straight-forward name. They're "frames" whose designs can then be mass-produced, and they're meant for war

and with the Tenno controlling them they're kinda like frameworks for different fighting styles/abilities

[zenith jacinth]

And it was outright said that that's when we switch to our frame's perspective

[simple python]

They probably used Excal as the default and that scene specifically is just a tennocon exclusive

It was cool but also like... a real limiter

[thick jolt]

still think it might be a exploration unit situation but we will see

[ripe crypt]

my Nos of Ten

[fathom carbon]

Can someone tell me about the war within

[obtuse gyro]

what about it do you want to know?

[fathom carbon]

Every single piece

[tropic venture]

Margulis was an Archimedean who took care of the retrived Zariman children. To try and save them from the horrors they had experienced, she sealed away their memories and put them in a stasis called "The Dream."

The War Within involved Teshin helping you recover your memories to recover your full Void powers along with them

[fathom carbon]

Ohhh

Ok

But how do I go operator mode

Like get out of my warframe

[twin moth]

Hit the pad button

[fathom carbon]

Ok

[ripe crypt]

cmon, i wanted funny interaction between the operator, Cy and the BROTHERS

veilbreaker was a nice side quest

[wicked iron]

I chose Lotus, but there's no wrong choice. 😄

[scarlet basalt]

the best choices are the one that matters to you

[lone inlet]

Yoooo playing as a griner is wild

[austere anvil]

i think Ordis is Lotus from now

[simple python]

Wh?

Where is drippy at?

Forgive me. I must compile the hex's photos

It looks like, to me, the Hex are fundamentally a little more different to their og counterparts.

It's cause I was trying to read if Eleanor actually spoke instead of just eye telepathy, and she does. At least she's programmed to in HCM.

When I noticed she has different scrawls on her legs in I'm gonna say, "Entrati text".

[night grail]

Might be a bug

Considering amir was missing his goggles

[simple python]

Oh the mouth talking thing?

Yeah probably. Her eyes at least glow when speaking.

WAIT-- Prime time!

[queen mirage]

Got the Drippy Glyph, DE got really good at hiding secret passageways (kinda not fair to use foliage that goes transparent to reveal the truth once you're IN it, but whatever)

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis is the wrong choice

[signal ermine]

Ah hell nah umbras tweaking

he shooting nothing

haaa its a bug.. u can shoot stuff through the wall

[autumn turret]

i hope we can use the hex skins on normal frames (like use the body part with a normal helmet)

i dont see a technical reason why it wouldnt work

[signal ermine]

A TRAIN?!

this quest is so cool

[simple python]

Probably can't

At least not yet. They may add legacy with Tennogen options but not Primed.

[autumn turret]

i dont see what you mean

i dont think you and me mean the same thing

[signal ermine]

I think this quest isn't Leafar proof

Who could imagine entering the cutscene in operator would cause 2 umbras

[autumn turret]

i mean like say i have exalibur, i would have access to the "exalibur hex" or "excalibur arthur" skin which will be just the version of the excal body that arthur uses

[tight pagoda]

You should've seen the bug where you can (finish the quest first before reading. Or don't, I'm not your mother) ||enter the 1999 sequence as your Warframe instead of Arthur||

[signal ermine]

I just got to the ||1999|| part xd and damn is that really a bug? xd

[tight pagoda]

Yeah if you pressed Transference right as the cutscene started, you'd load into the gameplay as your Warframe, not Arthur-- but you'd still have all of Arthur's moves and gear regardless, I believe

[signal ermine]

NOOOOO I DIDNT TAKE A SCREENSHOT

wally was in there

Wally was in the ||1999||

i was just messing around and found him

[tight pagoda]

YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO GO BACK HERE, KIDDO

[signal ermine]

XD

[simple python]

Maybe some tennogen artists will make Tennogen of "Sol" and "Lua" skins.

[autumn turret]

tennogen literally cannot

it adds geometry, tennogen cannot do that

[simple python]

Oh say that to Khora Miyabi.

[hollow totem]

at mall secret cave behind stage

[simple python]

Just get them to retexture the already existing skins.

[tight pagoda]

PC steam workshop might be able to, but not official tennogen. They're only allowed to make new helmets and textures I think

[autumn turret]

tennogens are just retextures for skins

[tight pagoda]

Did they bring the mall back?

[fierce summit]

You must also mention the importance of the hole.

[autumn turret]

yes

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[hollow totem]

yes

[simple python]

As I am saying and no one appears to understand. Just put some of the more seamless textures from the hex onto the frames.

Like Lettie's Lobster Leg things. With the grenades and stuff. Idk if they actually are grenades tho.

Or Arthur's chestplate thing. Also Eleanor's chestplate thing

Or their SHOES

[autumn turret]

...they cannot hadd the extra geometry

the hex skins have extra geometry

[simple python]

I'm not saying to add extra geometry.

[oblique dirge]

and the way you get those details is by swapping between protoframe/normal frame. theyre meant to be two separate modes so being able to apply everything from one to another just kills the point

[autumn turret]

and de would never approve a tennogen skin that is just a worse version of an official thing

[hollow totem]

new easter eggs

[simple python]

[autumn turret]

so the whole "just make a tennogen" makes no sense

also like the entire point of my hope was for the added geometry stuff

[simple python]

I highly doubt you'd get that.

[signal ermine]

Bro warframe hyping me up with this quest and the ||1999|| stuff

[simple python]

Maybe if they add it in like Tennogen and prime details with a prime frame.

[autumn turret]

why do you keep on mentioning tennogen

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-warframe-kinepage-kinepage-gif-10385472377235344520

[signal ermine]

Wally is acting up might have to beat the s out of him

[jovial pollen]

The kuva is strong in this one

[signal ermine]

Shut up wally!

[hollow totem]

is there a way to keep the beeping ringing tone sound in ship ?

[tight pagoda]

DE should make a 3hour Somachord tone that's just the ringing

[balmy storm]

from the pager?
no

[signal ermine]

Might make this my pc background

[balmy storm]

(laughter)

[hollow totem]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-dino-sad-in-tears-gif-12015507

[balmy storm]

It just exists to notify us of a message

[tight pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i6znuGbnDg

Listening to this on loop

[hollow totem]

i thought it is ment to silence ordis 😂

[fierce summit]

I have translated content from the D R I P H O L E

[balmy storm]

YAY DRIP HOLE

[signal ermine]

SON OF A.. I actually jumped

[autumn turret]

oooh thats a new line

relatively

[tight pagoda]

It's not random, he only says it during this specific part of Whispers

[autumn turret]

ah, didnt see it

[nova harness]

What suit is Wally copying?

[signal ermine]

The new ones

necra something that came with xaku prime

[balmy storm]

its just called Necra

with the alt helm being Necra Vitalis

[fierce summit]

Also calling back to my post from like four months ago #spoiler-chat message but I think I finally know what yonder graffiti says

[signal ermine]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN whispers in the walls is such a good quest

[buoyant pawn]

Hey, guys! Sorry for the silly question, but has anyone translated this yet? still haven't found it here )-:

[signal ermine]

better to ask about those in the #lore-discussion

[buoyant pawn]

Srry, thanks!

[fierce summit]

So I don't have a direct translation but I do know that this was one of the earliest 1999 assets easily accessible to the community (it appears in Netracells) and so the 1999 Script was in part derived from this board. Here's an image from a reddit post from a year ago that has a bunch of half translations from that period (credit goes to u/Sitchrea)

[buoyant pawn]

Oh my! Thank you so-so much! You're my hero <3
I've read all your transcriptions (probably?), so was hungry for another translation. TY!

[lone inlet]

What do u do when jackal is stunned in nw

[nova harness]

Blow up the legs with the moa then dodge him then rinse and repeat

Btw you gotta blow up the moa

[balmy storm]

The jackal fight is the worst part of the new war

[nova harness]

Nah the stealth part is

[balmy storm]

the jackal is a lot more confusing than the stealth part

[fierce summit]

Here's a (mostly) complete translation

[wispy jasper]

There any reason there's a tv in hollovania which has flowers playing

I assume the decoding people already talked it over if it's anything special

[buoyant pawn]

It's interesting...! Thank you for your hard work! <333
The menu has a taste of betrayal from the Doctor, funny :-D

[lone inlet]

Wait is the drifter the operator

[balmy storm]

kinda yeah

the new war explains it

[tight pagoda]

New War spoilers: ||yes and no. The Drifter is the Operator from a timeline where they weren’t saved from the Zariman by the Man in the Wall||.

[lone inlet]

Whose the man I. The wall exactly

[balmy storm]

eternalism is brought up as a concept specfically to explain the Drifter's existence

[tight pagoda]

That’s the question, kiddo

[shrewd lotus]

i dont think u need to mark as spoiler messages here xd

[balmy storm]

a void entity created by Albrecht, that's kinda all we know

he didnt intend to create it fyi

[tight pagoda]

I’ve seen people ask for clarity on quests before they’ve finished the whole story, just wanna make sure

[lone inlet]

So the zariman aren’t the Tenno

[balmy storm]

huh

[lone inlet]

Idm spoilers I kinda wanna know a lot

[balmy storm]

the Zariman was the home of the Tenno

[tight pagoda]

The Zariman Ten-Zero is a ship— 10-0, Ten-oh, Tenno.

[shrewd lotus]

wasnt actually just discovered??

[balmy storm]

Zariman 10-0
Ten-Zero
Ten-0
Tenno

[lone inlet]

Ah

[shrewd lotus]

as he has been always there in the void from what i understood

[balmy storm]

yes and no

[tight pagoda]

There’s implications that the Void manifested him because Albrecht was fearing the Void— so the Void gave him something to fear

[balmy storm]

we've had some dialogue that suggest that Wally was created when Albrecht first stepped into the void

[tight pagoda]

It’s likely was always there but Albrecht gave him form

[balmy storm]

and going by how the void works this is incredibly probable, conceptual embodiment and all that

[oblique dirge]

seems like the void taking on a human-like conciousness by mimicking albrecht

[balmy storm]

I'd say possible, not likely

idk if anything really suggests he existed prior to Albrecht

[shrewd lotus]

well the void is like a big crash of reality itself so makes sense to not have a specific origin to its entities

[balmy storm]

Wally is not the void

[balmy storm]

except the entities do have specific origins lol, its called conceptual embodiment

we've observed it a few times now
the void has never just done a thing by itself

[tight pagoda]

The Void and reality are separated by some sort of barrier— called the Wall of Lohk. The Man in the Wall appears to be existing between the two, hence the name (and also his “true” appearance, but it’s not clear if he always looked like that or if he took on the form because of the name)

[balmy storm]

my understanding of it is that when Albrecht stepped into the void his feelings about everything that was happening, including his feelings towards himself, are what created Wally

[shrewd lotus]

hmm

[balmy storm]

I feel like he took that form because it was a name given to him

[shrewd lotus]

thats a great take on it but have to admit for me it looks more like it was just given a shape but has always been there

[oblique dirge]

i think thats what wally is. a portion of the void that became capable of acting on its own like a person by taking on aspects of the people it makes contact woth

[shrewd lotus]

looks more like what a parasyte needs a host to live

the void exists but needs someone to act since it cant by itself

[balmy storm]

I think he's a void entity same as any other, just different and stronger
a part of the void in the same way Thrax, the Holdfasts and any void-made thing is

[tight pagoda]

Sythel has this line of dialogue in Duviri:

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started!"

[shrewd lotus]

could corrupted vor have a bigger plot in the future to explain how all this works??

[balmy storm]

possibly

[tight pagoda]

We end as we began

[shrewd lotus]

that would be an amazing way to end the whole lore

like a big loop of never ending chaos

kinda like duviri but without the control over all

i mean technically with the theory presented in new war (forgot its name) this can be posible since all desitions exist in different timelines

[balmy storm]

eternalism

[shrewd lotus]

that

[balmy storm]

which is a real world concept btw

[shrewd lotus]

ye ik

[balmy storm]

but Warframe's version is slightly different, iirc its got a splash of the multiverse theory in there

[shrewd lotus]

personally love how it works and feels like one of the best views on the universe xd

[balmy storm]

it does seem eternalism primarily existed to explain Drifter and, before they were collapsed, the different platforms

[shrewd lotus]

yeah

i like how they give lore even to stuff like why baro has the same shop in all plataforms (as u mentioned)

something so basic and they still care to explain

if not mistaken baro said it was a void entity who gave him the oportunity

im asuming it had to be the man in the wall

[balmy storm]

it was wally yes

[tight pagoda]

I believe he said “A dashing stranger”— of course he’d compliment himself— and later said “I can hear opportunity rap-tap-tapping at the door”

[balmy storm]

he collapsed all Baros into one singular Baro

[shrewd lotus]

i wonder tho was it with inaros present

[tight pagoda]

Not the exact quote

[shrewd lotus]

as he usually helps baro in his void trips

[balmy storm]

nah

I dont believe Inaros actually helps him out directly

[shrewd lotus]

welp i cant really give an opinion in this since i play in spanish xd

[shrewd lotus]

oh i asumed it does based on the special node

[balmy storm]

like any Tenno can have an Inaros and help him yes

[shrewd lotus]

like from all the comments he says when using inaros prime and also the stuff said inside that mission

[balmy storm]

but unless there's a dedicated tenno who uses only Inaros in the lore that specifically helps Baro idk about tat
and it wouldnt just be an Inaros by itself since it'd go feral in time

[balmy storm]

yeah, he's a big Inaros fan
if you haven't you should play sands of inaros cause it explains it there

[shrewd lotus]

dw i got all quests done

besides that and the revenant one on this new account

but i did it when started 4 years ago xd

[balmy storm]

lmao

if you ever wanna reread the transcripts I reccomend the orokin archives btw

great source for all things lore related

[fierce summit]

The wiki technically has the transcripts but it force-loads all of the sound files when you go to one of those pages so it loads very slowly. OA is just better in that sense.

[lone inlet]

Crab man?

[balmy storm]

Crab grandpa

[lone inlet]

Evil version of my self ?

[obtuse gyro]

*** VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK***

[jovial bison]

Feels like a liminal space

[lone inlet]

Buddy

[balmy storm]

Where’s this at :o

[jovial bison]

Behind the garage wall that leads to the open world

[balmy storm]

How do you get there?

[jovial bison]

#spoiler-chat message

[lone inlet]

What the

[balmy storm]

I just realized the protoframes skins will be accessible in open space via railjack
hopefully the infestation is somehow keeping them alive

[tight pagoda]

Instant death

[covert tree]

Rap tap tap

The man in the wall

[ripe crypt]

Wally

[digital hearth]

Does anyone know what happens when you hang up the phone behind Arthur?

(I interacted with it and nothing happened.)

[obtuse gyro]

thats for the ARG

[digital hearth]

Ah, I feel like that's going to be abit too complicated for me to figure out anything lol.

[obtuse gyro]

dont worry the folks at ARGrakata have a document containing all the steps

[digital hearth]

Interesting, might check it out on my free time.

(I say as I'm ingame with my rhino sitting on a bench in the mall lol.)

[plain onyx]

no xaku prime trailer..?

[covert tree]

Yup

[lone axle]

all hands are on the 1999 deck
i don't think we're getting a new prime trailer until 1999's out

[covert tree]

E-yup

[plain onyx]

good lord why is xaku prime expensive in plat

[covert tree]

Because he's new either farm or wait for price drops

[vale sorrel]

Did they bring the hollvania hub back or are you talking about in the demo?

[digital hearth]

Yes they brought the mall back.

[vale sorrel]

Hopping onto the mall when I get home then

[undone lodge]

Does it still have the music?

[covert tree]

Yes

[tight pagoda]

There’s also a new secret area that has a free Glyph if you interact with something

||From spawn, since you’re on stage, start facing the “audience”, and go about 8 o’clock from there, past the sliding doors, until you reach the stairwell. Go underneath the stairs, through the plants. There’s a hole in the ground. The path from there is pretty straightforward.||

There’s also a new interaction in the room with Arthur.

[simple python]

Both are about the arg

[balmy storm]

Xaku Pants

[plain onyx]

no way...

[gritty flume]

half life cutout is still there...

[fading current]

The chat lmao

[gritty flume]

but i rogrof where to find that half life cutout

[still moat]

three coda weapons have yet to be revealed, new ones

what if one's an archgun?

[simple python]

Heyo, uh can someone translate the Entrati Script on Eleanor's legs?

I'm calling it Entrati script cause... idk if they gave it a name but it's distinct from Orokin Vosphene and Tennobet.

Aaaaanyway, here is the script

[simple python]

It's not based on her Immortal skin as Nyx, I swear. Plus... my pics are terrible, I know. This might not be accurate and we'll have to wait till 1999 drops for a much more in-depth look from Captura

[fierce summit]

It’s classic Tennobet I think but I tried yesterday and couldn’t get much progress. That being said the highlights certainly help

[wicked iron]

What if, after 1999, we get Warframe 999?!

[steady stag]

I think I got scammed by Arthur's pager
I dont see any deal at Big Bytes

[normal latch]

Does the choice in new war for which lotus to pick matter

I'm torn

[tiny dove]

It's a cosmetic / name choice in terms of who pops up during communications on missions, etc. If I recall correctly.

You can purchase the different skins for her with platinum.

Maybe it will have future impact on the story, but we don't know.

[simple python]

Probably just minor line changes. Typically it has little impact.

At least long-standing choices have little to no impact. Idk.

I'm gonna try to get more pics of the scrawl because... I think I did it wrong.

Okay. I have... mostly hand-wrote it on my phone. Made sure to mark any pressured points in the characters as those may be important

Maybe it's... supposed to be read from the inner thigh outwards, which would flip my image here...

[lone inlet]

Excalibur???

[simple python]

Yea

[lone inlet]

How wtf

[simple python]

Not time travel bs, just a partially made Excalibur

[simple python]

Think of Excalibur like a Superhero Powerset rather than a person. Uh... to make it even easier, One for All can get passed on right? Warframe cells can get made into a serum to inject and completely replicate the Excalibur viral load (or any other chosen Warframe) in any person.

[lone inlet]

Ahh ok

[simple python]

The reason that Arthur and Eleanor, as you will see within Höllvania, look so similar is due to them being in-universe sibilings

We're... unsure why Warframe's proper Excalibur and Nyx look so similar, outside of the fact that they share a deeper history with Dark Sector, Warframe's predecessor

(They never gave us a lore reason on it rather than a practicality purpose.)

[tardy kindle]

Maybe, just maybe, dark sector is canon now

[simple python]

Yeah it seems like it.

[balmy storm]

Until outright stated Dark Sector isn’t canon

[trail comet]

someone said the language might be portuguese!

or at least resembles it? maybe inspired by?

[dark bloom]

the language?

[drowsy wind]

Iron Man dies in the end..

Wrong chat?

[trail comet]

no, i'm just bein' a dummy apparently 😆

the language already been long translated, i was told

[dark bloom]

ahh, the Hollvania language

[trail comet]

yus

So, we got a kynepage message today that said "Gr8 deals @ Big Bytes" and someone says there's a TV on in the food court that wasn't before, but all it's showing is the panels that are in the back of the Pizza Stand around the TV that has the Hex's logo on it.

So I don't know if that TV really wasn't on before, or if it wasn't, if those things mean anything... X.X was hoping to find an interesting tidbit, but no luck so far.

[brazen lotus]

It's part of the current ARG in #decoding-signal-1999-arg . After the message the big byte website updated to show another clue for us.

[trail comet]

ohhhh. oki

[nova harness]

It is canon as a movie

[arctic agate]

i like how half life is canonically a thing that exists in warframe's continuity

i wonder if half life 3 ever got released in that timeline

[balmy storm]

And a novel!

[scarlet basalt]

"in each timeline, the number 3 is a curse" -valve probably

[tight pagoda]

Valve created the Technocyte plague while trying to make a new engine for Half-Life 3

[simple python]

Judging if plague year ended or persisted? Probably not

No one translate those scrawls I made yet?

[normal saffron]

Is anyone active here

[zenith jacinth]

No

[balmy storm]

Anyone else hoping for a new parazon skin with 1999? 🥲

[raven fractal]

They all die

[tight pagoda]

In regards to the ProtoFrame skins entering Archwing space, I think I found the solution. I was playing Duviri and this effect appeared on my Drifter— a holographic blue shield on the head and hands, where the ProtoFrames have skin exposed.

[balmy storm]

The protos dont have their hands exposed
But yeah maybe they’ll use that effect for when they’re in space

What’s that blue effect from btw?

[tight pagoda]

No clue at all, it happened on its own which makes me feel like it’s something spilled through— it also was not appearing on my friends’ side

[balmy storm]

interesting, I'm not sure its connected to the protos tbh since afaik the Drifter's animations and bones and all that differ from Warframes but I do think the holo effect on the head would be perfect for the Protos in space

it looks like it only is applying to the drifter's face and the lotus' hand

[tight pagoda]

Oh good point about the Lotus’ hand, missed the fact my left hand wasn’t affected

[woeful patio]

Hollvania returned... And embers returned too its impressive

[proven wadi]

who is this?

[obtuse gyro]

For the tenno we lost irl

Prominent members of the community

[tight pagoda]

And Lettie

[tight pagoda]

IRL tribute to someone, DE have stated they won’t say out of respect for the family’s wishes

[errant wind]

Any news regarding 1999 release date?

[tiny ibex]

nothing no but, while it's a stretch, the Hollvania relay timer kinda suggest around middle of December

[balmy storm]

Iirc the relay will leave on the 6th, 1999 could be the week after

We’ll probably get a release date during the devstream ngl, it’d be a good finale to the arg

[tiny ibex]

definitely, now I assume they won't release in the absolute last days on December because they will have their break time and I am sure they will expect needing hotfixes

[scarlet basalt]

1999 is locked until we figure out the arg
Source : i work at de (no i don't)

[arctic agate]

I have an uncle who works at de and he says 1999 is an elaborate prank, and that Warframe will be shut down and replaced with dark sector 2, which will cost £80 and have more microtransactions than a Korean MMO

(this is a joke btw)

[warped knoll]

I bought a code from another player, it shows me in invetori that I have it, but when I go to make it it doesn't show me imprint .hellp!!!

[thick jolt]

Did you forget to build the kavat segment before trying to get kavats?

[warped knoll]

i hawe some kavat like pet

[thick jolt]

Not what im saying

[thick jolt]

Looks like you are missing genetic codes to make a kavat

Havent done it in years but pretty sure even with genetic imprints you still need the base materials to make said pet

[warped knoll]

but i hawe imprint you see in photos and when i wana pick them dont show me like on that 2 photos up..

[zenith jacinth]

Nope

[scarlet basalt]

"Why do you always do this, pick the hardest path? One of these times, you may not be so lucky"
Fibonacci after 60 eyes
Meaning that maybe DE will try more and more to make "hard" (can be cheesed by shield tanking...) boss fight. It wouldn't be surpirisng if the tank could get some variant, smilar to orowyrm SP

[zenith jacinth]

Yes that is how game difficulty tends to work

[scarlet basalt]

i mean maybe effervo tank will get a variant 😭
And maybe rusalka (if she is fightable, would be weird if not since... They modeled her entire body) and onlyne member could get more moveset the angrier they are ?

IIRC since we will likely be able to play 1999 with all of our warframe, it could be that 1999 will be allowed to have SP ? And those ennemies hit...really hard,even on the demo they can easily kill you if you're not fast enough

[warped knoll]

@errant eagle hellp????!!

[simple python]

Idk why y'all pinged DE. You are required to:
1:Have Kavat Genetic Segment installed
2: Have 10 Kavat Genetic Codes
3: Have your Incubator Core Ready
4: Select your two imprints
@warped knoll

[wild copper]

not the best idea to ping devs

[simple python]

Definitely the absolute cold hell take to try and ping DE Staff.

Guys, keep in mind forever; You are required to have your 10 kavat codes and your imprints if needed.

[scarlet basalt]

So techrot ennemies are likely more...About being a literal transformer 😭

[simple python]

They're like those things from Zoochosis.

They aren't but like. Idk. Are they actually gonna transform or nah

[warped knoll]

Do you see the pictures above or not?

[simple python]

Are you using a Helminth Charger for your imprint for your kavat?

[warped knoll]

No one is looking at the pictures, you're commenting on something.

bro i hawe kavat like pet

[scarlet basalt]

Oh wait
Now that i think about it : Those thing are called to be large.
So surely they will be smaller than lephantis
But it also mean that since they're smaller than lephantis, maybe the infestation was able to make very very big things when it wasn't dealt with huh

[oblique dirge]

and you still need genetic codes to get another one

[simple python]

You're required to have two kavat imprints

[warped knoll]

i hawe them in ivetory !!!!!

DO YOU SEEE

[simple python]

Mhmn. You got your 10 kavat genetic codes too?

[warped knoll]

mm no why i need when i can do like this

but they don't show me there and I have them in invetory

thats is the problem

[simple python]

Then do that.

[warped knoll]

i nact

cant*

seee

[simple python]

Hmn... alright lemme check what exactly each thing is coded as.

[oblique dirge]

… because you have kubrow breeding selected not kavat

[simple python]

[warped knoll]

only that imprints dont work other imprit work great i dont know why bcs that i text here for hellp

[thick jolt]

You are on the kubrow breeding section in this picture

[warped knoll]

no bro when i in there to pick imprint dont show me

[thick jolt]

You cant see kavat imprints in the kubrow section thats a given

@warped knoll so like i said in the beginning

Get kavat genetic codes (the bare basic of getting a kavat)

Then you will be able to when breeding a kavat select the genetic templates

[night grail]

"Crazy fool, why do you always jump? One of these days you're gonna land on something as stubborn as you are! And I don't do bits and pieces"

[winter nacelle]

Please tell me that if I max out the little ducks syndicate she's not going to open her stomach compartment

[stiff osprey]

smiles at you

[nova harness]

Oh she will

[scarlet basalt]

when we will fight rusalka but she do instant kill move if you don't dodge/parry

really make me think that 1999 ennemies will be huh... Way harder than current (less than 60 eyes ofc)

[winter nacelle]

@nova harness oh no

[simple python]

To be fair she is quite eh... I wouldn't say attractive but like she points it out to you that she's a looker. I am not interested in LD like that tho.

Don't worry tho, iirc LD doesn't use her 5th rank transmissions for stuff like disruption or PT

[winter nacelle]

Thank god fortuna people have that weird uncanny valley thing

[simple python]

Bro that's just Warframe's facial models.

Tbh they've gotten better with it but still... it's a little uncanny to look at directly. Especially Walbrecht.

[scarlet basalt]

Loid and arthur really look human at least

Eleanor,quincy,amir really look way less uncanny than fortuna lmao

[simple python]

Oh true

They have gotten way better at it

Fortuna's from like... 2017, 2018?

[scarlet basalt]

idk
I think Aoi still look uncanny but it make sense ngl

[simple python]

I'll look at them all again but tbh they are a far step ahead. Although I think thwy might've had extra care put in due to them being much more relevant than previous syndicates.

[scarlet basalt]

albretch look cool... And has white eyes iirc, maybe he is somekind of blind ?

[simple python]

Albrecht is probably not blind. Maybe.

Might just be the piercing white eyes thing.

[scarlet basalt]

It's said that it can be the Norrie disease but idk if we have to think much about his design

Sure he said he was blinded and healed tho

[simple python]

Oh true.

[scarlet basalt]

oh wait, it's because he has norrie disease and that he somehow healed that that it's part of his design 😭

[nova harness]

I screamed, but my voice was gone. Forever. I looked, but my eyes would never see again. I swept my fist across the floor, snatching broken shards. And in gripping tightly, I filled my hands with ink. Close it! I wrote.

[simple python]

OH

I'm gonna look that disease up. Norrie is the name right? There's no localization errors or dialectal shortening going on?

[nova harness]

Loid probably healed it but the scars from it still remain

[scarlet basalt]

something like that

[simple python]

Tbh Albrecht's eyes are very light. Trying to find a pic of his eyes fully intact with no filters over it is gonna be a tight window. I think his only appearance was the end of WITW with the 1999 teaser.

[scarlet basalt]

only in the end of witw we fully see the eyes tho

[nova harness]

Thing is Albrecht became blind right after falling

[scarlet basalt]

yeah norrie disease is in embryogenesis iirc

[simple python]

Okay so the man himself ain't so munch uncanny as it is just... him suffering from a disease.

Does he... kinda remind you of Steve?

[scarlet basalt]

nvm that's just regular blindness 😭

[simple python]

Oh.

You think Kalymos is his service animal?

[scarlet basalt]

tho it's quite impressive that they thought of that

i think kallymos is a safe way to go to the plague year + Is surely as strong as a warframe maybe ?
+service animal bcz i can't recall correctly if he cured himself

[simple python]

I think it's a nice way to look as to why Kalymos is with him.

[nova harness]

Albrecht became blind from the fall

Albrecht can seemingly still see

[scarlet basalt]

Albrecht Entrati: "Loid… you gave me back my sight, but I would not spare you a glance. You gave me back my voice, but I never spoke to praise you as I should have. For you were my right hand. My strength, my support, my sanctuary. Even when the galleries hurled scorn upon me, your sole desire was to suffer it in my stead."
How tf did he gave him back his sight 😭

[simple python]

Oh right. Hmn. Despite all that his eyes still have the blind coloration.

[scarlet basalt]

yeah, i thought he would remove the blind coloration lmao

[simple python]

Tbh I'm gonna be a bit. I am motion sick rn.

Car rides. Stir-craziness.

[nova harness]

It depends on blindness really

[simple python]

He fell right? From the Seriglass bell? That he broke?

Hmn. You think it was head trauma that developed Cataracts then?

[nova harness]

Maybe

[simple python]

We'll maybe never know.

[fierce summit]

I always interpreted the inconsistencies as “Orokin medicine be wack”

[wise solstice]

Honestly I wanna see someone draw Ballas and Drifter but it’s the Drifter from Duviri (with the spear)

But I’m too broke to commission

[wise solstice]

“This Orokin healing medicine ain’t sh-“
-Dr. Entrauti

[tight pagoda]

not mine

[nova harness]

Stevebrecht Entrati

[simple python]

Steve Entrati.

[left slate]

I think he's being metaphorical

I think he's trying to say the importance of loving others

Something like that

[zenith jacinth]

It is quite literal, the bacta tank medicine thing albrecht was in seems to have fully restored him

[trail comet]

where can one read the hex comic, btw?

[balmy storm]

It isnt fully out yet

[trail comet]

ok

[warm anvil]

eek

[simple python]

Iirc it arrives Nov 20th?

[simple python]

Snorpus this entire archetype that the Lotus is filling out is three: The Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

Well really they're feminine variations of the heroes journey. The Fool, The Guardian, and The Mentor.

[warm anvil]

holy crap the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe

[simple python]

We're really the Wardrobe

[woeful patio]

I wonders if the other warframes are like this( the before 2°gen ) or it is just xaku that is a exception(also thx @twin granite for the funny full 4k HD xaku bones)

This pic also bring alot of interesting things about xaku and orokin technology

The chest having some reiforced parts just like human chest

[tight pagoda]

Half-Life 1 came out late 1998. Interesting that there's still promotion for it in 1999