spoiler-chat

[scarlet basalt]

Even murmur ost aren't that fast

but ngl, if koumei somehow make Poe way better by putting a better plague star with older forgotten ennemies from emissary... I would like it

iirc emissary ennemies are the strongest currently ? in terms of debuff they could 2 shot you ?

[tight pagoda]

The Koumei OST definitely feels fast but not “tough”, if that makes sense. It’s not as though there’s a struggling going on. It feels like something you’d listen to while mowing down infested

[scarlet basalt]

i'm too used to doom ost to think like that ngl 😭

it really feels like a stressfull situation for the ostron the ost and a message to Koumei's failure ?

[tight pagoda]

Funny enough that’s exactly what I was thinking, this sounds like a track from DOOM made for Warframe

Maybe that’s just because I think Koumei’s the one singing and she’s threatening the infested in a way

[scarlet basalt]

I always thought that the ost is :
Strong voice = Unum, lower voice = her whispers , Male deep voice choir = the quills

[strange sentinel]

Nearly every update brings QoL changes, that isn't good evidence towards Koumei not being post-TNW

I think it would make the most sense to be post-TNW. Just something small like Jade Shadows

[balmy storm]

It’s gonna depend on what Koumei brings, if its a sister update to Dagath’s then we can probably look to that for what it may bring

Dagath’s update didnt bring too much in the way of lore, Grandmother’s story and her original name was revealed as well as Dagath’s story but not much else iirc

[strange sentinel]

There are two kinds of frame-centric updates in this world:
Jade 😀
Dagath 😦

[obtuse gyro]

If koumei involves the unum, it really depends if DE wants to use pre-tnw unum or post-tnw unum

[balmy storm]

I’ll take either by this point 😭

[grand fulcrum]

Did little duck’s dialogue in the new war change recently? I was watching someone play through it and I remembered her saying slightly different things

[sacred flint]

it most likely would be post nw cause Reb already stated that new quests were gonna be expanding on characters and events after nw. like with jade shadows it was continuing with stalker post nw. Same with angels of the zariman quest (zariman reapearing) and wispers in the wall (aggrivation of Wally). 1999 however is a continuation of the WiTW story line but i think these in between quests is still going off post nw mentality.

also if koumei is exploring cetus post-nw i wonder if they'll do a quest for fortuna post-nw and maybe add in the narmer orb that has been swimming in that pond.

[static nimbus]

Wait that Orb is post-NW?

I was wondering if I had seen it before on PoE

[tight pagoda]

The one in the lake in Orb Vallis is named as a Narmer Orb

[static nimbus]

Ah, we're talking about that one

Isn't there also an orb floating in a pond somewhere on PoE

[zenith jacinth]

...no?

[sacred flint]

there is only one mysterious orb that is floating in a pond with a narmer drone hovering around

[nova harness]

There’s a Sentient that died in PoE not an Orb anywhere

[scarlet basalt]

amazing that albretch told himself : "oh i should steal his sword"

[static nimbus]

Albrecht is a cat lover because he has their habits.

[thick jolt]

He also stole cars and put them in a jar so.... at this point i believe he will steal anything not bolted down

[scarlet basalt]

amazing that for some reason he steal cars

[nova harness]

Huh?

[thick jolt]

One of the new tiles added with dante has a giant jar with 3 cars floating inside

[nova harness]

Was definitely from 1999 because the system doesn’t have any cars

[strange sentinel]

Are we getting cars or just motorcycles

[thick jolt]

Useable? Just atomicycles

Hah just remembered that one time DE showed a possible experiment for a driveable truck that was considered for fortuna

[twin fossil]

Cars would probably be too much

[strange sentinel]

I wondered what that was in the funny compilation I watched! It was never finalized?

[thick jolt]

They realized it was far too big and clunky for the terrain in either open world (keeping in mind fortuna was still being developed)

[twin fossil]

Imagine having to exit that for combat each time lol

[strange sentinel]

They should add a warthog

Instead of some big silly six-wheeler, just a fast buggy thing with a gun

[twin fossil]

Vehicles with multiples seats for your squad would be pretty fun

[viral compass]

My Atmos went nuclear Randomly

[prisma fox]

How much do we know about how Atomicycles will play?

[nova harness]

We know small customisation and that they can destroy things and do tricks literally it

[scarlet basalt]

there's no way they won't add Racing with rusalka or other hex members

[warm anvil]

we've seen gameplay with them and we know they are summonable in any open world

[fading current]

Brainiac vibes lmao

[fading current]

They keys to the bike also seem to be a…thing lol

[warm anvil]

oh yeah there were physical ones made and given away at tennocon too

i think only 2 were given away

[fading current]

Yea!! It looked so cool. They definitely made them seem important in-game as well haha. So I’m definitely interested. Like if we can even customize our keys I’d literally lose my mind. Idk why but I would cuz DE just loves to add the smallest of details to things that I absolutely freaking love

[runic cove]

Im thinking that on the release of the wf1999, these atomicycle is only use for story, and explore the city....other than this its basically useless outside

[knotty frigate]

what do i do about this

[obtuse gyro]

is that the archon shard section or?

[knotty frigate]

i js realized i was supposed to craft the pther segment part 😭

[flat shadow]

Check your foundry? Usually those blueprints need to be built and installed.

[humble wharf]

I finally obtained the dual toxocyst incarnon

[trail comet]

I was wondering, if anyone knew whether we were going to eventually have all the operator outfits ported to drifter. I really like the orizu edit: Manduka suit and... yeah.

[nova harness]

Maybe but that's not something DE have told us yet

[trail comet]

dang. okie

[zenith jacinth]

It was a goal at some point iirc

[trail comet]

thas good. thanks~

wasn't sure if mentioning the drifter should go in here or not lol

[nova harness]

Drifter isn't much of a spoiler anymore

DE have used him in trailers and Duviri was once a starter path

Operator is pretty well known too

[balmy storm]

I think they both are considered spoilers for the most part

If you’re a new player going into the game blind you wouldn’t know about either

[humble wharf]

Wait duviri isnt a starting path anymore?

[strange sentinel]

affirmative

[humble wharf]

why would they remove it though? It was a perfect starting point

[strange sentinel]

not really

it was very confusing especially since 90% of the marketing for Warframe was not Duviri-related

95%

[thick jolt]

Too many people confused by the change from duviri into vor's prize

[humble wharf]

okay that makes more sense, how do you unlock it now?

[thick jolt]

Think its post second dream rn

[balmy storm]

^
Iirc you get it around neptune?

[humble wharf]

I heard it was the uranus junction

[thick jolt]

Would have to look but all i remember is it was changed recently

[balmy storm]

And for the better tbh

[thick jolt]

Agreed

[balmy storm]

Duviri is good but too confusing too early
Which I get its meant to be confusing but many people may not remember what happened by the time they get to the new war

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Duviri being at hour 1 vs the new war at hour 50~ doesn’t work as well as I think they’d hoped

[thick jolt]

Many people still dont get it and think that thrax is "real"

[balmy storm]

Now all they need to do is make Duviri replayable because there is no excuse for it not being replayable

[balmy storm]

I mean he is real, all conceptually embodied things are real

[thick jolt]

Thats what i meant by the quotes

[balmy storm]

thrax and duviri aren’t terribly story relevant until much much later

[thick jolt]

Yknow the people that think thrax is a tenno

[balmy storm]

Or worse, our brother

[strange sentinel]

who even

I'd like to meet the guy who perpetuated that fan fiction

because that's what it is, it isn't even a theory

[zenith jacinth]

Thrax is wally and an orokin and our brother and a tenno

[thick jolt]

And also an orokin bcs why not

[zenith jacinth]

There's also occasionally still people who think the post-new war version of the system is the drifter timeline

Duviri and new war confused some people

[thick jolt]

Many*

I would go so far as to say most

[strange sentinel]

Most just didn't care I think

[zenith jacinth]

I suppose I don't see most of the community since I prefer to limit my interaction to a few servers, so I must've missed how many were confused by those quests

[thick jolt]

Well most of the people who would even care to at minimum watch cutscenes i mean

[thick jolt]

This is the right path lol
Limited exposure

[balmy storm]

The new war gave us eternalism which was such a double edged sword cause
Great concept, used to explain Drifter (and maybe Rev prime?)
But everyone immediately jumped on using it to explain everything I swear

[thick jolt]

Yup

Like those two lotus lines people decided meant lotus made a deal to put lua in the void

[balmy storm]

Loved how easy that was to disprove

Considering we
See the tech used
Lotus instructs us on what to do with said tech
We know Deimos did the same thing
And the Orokin could just put stuff in the void

I guess the Orokin made a deal with Wally to put all those towers in the void

Yup makes sense mhm

[tight pagoda]

I think Lotus made a deal with him, but not for Lua, obviously

Rather at the end of NW

[balmy storm]

I don’t think she did personally cause nothing really suggests that she did beyond what? A smoking hand? A smile?
And if there was ever a time to reveal she did it was likely Lotus Eaters

[tight pagoda]

Fair enough

[balmy storm]

It also sounds like she both did and didn’t see him, it seems that digital beings don’t perceive Wally but can recognize he’s there

See all of Cy’s lines regarding the finger and Lotus literally saying she saw “nothing”
I don’t think she wasn’t lying to us, she saw a nothing and that nothing was Wally

Which it makes sense that a camera or any machine capable of perception would perceive something like Wally in a truer way, their minds may not be as susceptible to his tricks so they see the truth
That truth being Wally is a nothing, like the void

[nova harness]

When she said she saw the walls face evening it was a lie or truth she never said deal

[plush swan]

Teshin's "trained by a Sentient over a Dax" line in Duviri (Envy) is bugging me, 'cause it feels like it's got two blatantly false premises:

1. That the Tenno weren't trained by Dax via their Warframes (which are, you know, made from Dax)
2. That being trained by a Dax could have changed the outcome of TNW part 1

Obviously it goes great with the Envy Spiral, but

Only as "Teshin being overcome with envy"

[nova harness]

2 Dax being beat up by a Sentient

The same one in fact

Lotus knows what Teshin doesn't considering she's Sentient

[balmy storm]

Not every warframe was a dax
Nor would that mean the tenno were trained by them

Its really just Teshin being a racist old man

[nova harness]

We only know of one Dax Warframe

[plush swan]

There is an explicit game mechanic for getting more skilled by training with more Warframes.

[balmy storm]

We know they very likely used many Dax, but not every frame was made using a Dax

[plush swan]

Two explicitly: Umbra and Dagath

[chilly pine]

2 i thought, umbra and dagath

[balmy storm]

Nor does using a Warframe mean you’re training with a Dax

[chilly pine]

wait this is spoiler chat tf am i doing spoilering text here

[balmy storm]

Umbra and Dagath are the only two explicit examples of Dax frames

Out of the two we realistically would have only trained with one

[nova harness]

The only thing Teshin taught involves emotions

[balmy storm]

Regardless, Teshin is blatantly wrong and kinda just being racist
Man fought against the sentients, his views on them are realistically not going to be great

[balmy storm]

Hey now, he also taught THE CONCLAVE

[nova harness]

Didn't help him fight Erra now did it?

[balmy storm]

Nope, though I’m sure it didnt help he was fighting against the veil too

[nova harness]

He ripped the Veil off

[balmy storm]

Honestly, Teshin came out a winner in that scenario
Not only did he not succumb to the veil but he somehow managed to survive?
Granted, Erra seems to suck at killing Dax

[nova harness]

He's the original veilbreaker

[balmy storm]

Erra unfortunately just seems to suck, man needs a win ):

[sour adder]

Is there a way to completely resist a veil? (Asking as an idiot)

[plush swan]

Yeah, but the rest are referred to as "We took our greatest, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultured reagents."

Which is obviously not 100% Dax, because Jade and Sorren, but...

[plush swan]

Define "completely resist"

[nova harness]

Teshin ressisted it enough to get it off and Drifter managed long enough

[balmy storm]

Yeah, they def used Dax but we don’t know how many
Just at least 2

[balmy storm]

Drifter had an upper hand too as the Veil was reading them as the Operator and thus it didnt work

[plush swan]

Two Dax, two Low Guardians, 67 unknowns?

[plush swan]

[Citation needed]

[balmy storm]

Are we really on 67?

[sour adder]

Like it’s supposed to let ballas dictate what you perceive as reality (I think), but what if you’re just dead set on something?

[balmy storm]

We. We see it happen
The veil gives Drifter info the Operator would know but it doesn’t work on the Drifter because they don’t know what the veil is on about

[nova harness]

Umbra might be a better fighter as a Dax than Teshin when he cuts a Sentient it dies

[balmy storm]

They barely know who Ballas is
Or the Lotus for that matter
Or Margulis

^At the time of the new war

[hearty pendant]

the veil shows memories of lotus/margulis n ballas iirc. drifter has no idea who lotus or margulis are at that time in the quest, likely are only aware of ballas due to pre-zariman stuff. but operator does.

[balmy storm]

If we’re really on 67 frames then we’d technically be on 69 total frames as Xaku is composed of 3 lost frames

[nova harness]

3 combined into 1

[plush swan]

We don't actually know how much Drifter knows during TNW, because she's just as obnoxiously cryptic as every other character.

She definitely knows about Hunhow, though.

[hearty pendant]

55 frames acc to a quick search. unsure how accurate it is

[strange sentinel]

I just realized that on my most recent playthrough

Drifter was probably just like "uh what?? ok??" the whole time

[chilly pine]

styanax was 50 right? how many since him?

[plush swan]

Hm... no, actually, I mathed off something that was not actually indicative.

[balmy storm]

Regardless of what we know the Veil uses emotional manipulation, which doesn’t work if you dont have emotional ties
The Drifter doesn’t really know who Margulis is, or the Lotus, maybe a handful on Ballas but not a lot
There’s a reason the veil doesn’t work and that’s cause it’s reading them as the Operator, not the Drifter.

[strange sentinel]

"balls? the old war? marguerite?"

[plush swan]

I was looking at how many Helminth abilities there were. XD

[nova harness]

Whats the most recent Warframe

[plush swan]

Jade

[strange sentinel]

game or lore

[balmy storm]

How many are we at :?

[nova harness]

Jade is the 57th unique Warframe to be released.

[plush swan]

There are 70 Helminth abilities.

[hearty pendant]

there's also the three defeated/erased frames from ivara's leverian

[balmy storm]

I mean frames not helminth

Cause however many frames we’re at add 2 more to the count cause again, Xaku’s a composite of 3

[plush swan]

Yeah, I realized that, I was explaining how I got thr wrong answer

[balmy storm]

So we’re at 59

[fiery kettle]

60th frame o-o

[balmy storm]

Ye you good
Easy mistake

[strange sentinel]

that's why she's called koumei-60

[thick jolt]

we also already know of the next two
tho cyte 09 is debatable

[balmy storm]

We’re at 59 known frames in lore
57 in gameplay
Koumei is 58

[strange sentinel]

and cyte-09 is the 9th warframe

[balmy storm]

Cyte 09 is coming with 1999 which will be after Koumei

I dont see any major updates between Koumei and 1999 happening

[fiery kettle]

wat

[plush swan]

The only way that Drifter could not know who Ballas is is amnesia, because Ballas was a thing before the Zariman.

[chilly pine]

itll likely be koumei then warframe 1999 with nothing but the usual hotfixes in between i think

[plush swan]

Does this count Stalker?

[thick jolt]

yeah but until it becomes clearer how or when cyte 09 came to be it could be more or less relevant to the discussion

[strange sentinel]

you got me

[balmy storm]

Shoot it doesn’t
So in lore we’re at 60 including Stalker and separating Xaku into 3

[hearty pendant]

unlikely
iirc they only mentioned Lotus Eaters, Koumei & the Five Fates (Unannounced 2024 Update), and 1999 during tennocon

[thick jolt]

also very known to the system as for narmer sang by the solaris mentions him

[strange sentinel]

5 seconds prior

[nova harness]

They killed the guy who sings we all lift together

[strange sentinel]

irl

[balmy storm]

I disagree, if we consider Koumei into the census then we consider Cyte-09

[chilly pine]

another question is, do we count the prime frames as seperate?

[strange sentinel]

they aren't unique

[hearty pendant]

not for this count, no

[nova harness]

There's 101 frames if we count both

[thick jolt]

well the og discussion had something to do with dax as frame material right ? depending on how or when cyte 09 is made then their relevance could be lessened
like say if it was an albrecht original for whatever reason during his stay in 1999

but we dont know yet

[balmy storm]

Drifter: [chuckles] "Yeah. Still missing a few from the deck. Hunting that golden freak, I figure… what's his name?"

[The Operator reacts with incredulous surprise.]

Operator: "Ballas? Wait, so you don't know—"

Drifter: "Ballas, right. You ought to be more careful. I might not be around next time."

Drifter was stuck in Duviri so long they didnt even remember how they got there, think less amnesia and more so much info over time that they did forget.

[obtuse gyro]

2, not 3

[hearty pendant]

is it only 2?
i'm probably mixing it because like
standard squad is 4

[plush swan]

And yet somehow Drifter knows all about Hunhow.

[balmy storm]

I don’t think I’m understanding what you’re saying

I’m trying to gather an overall census on how many frames there are, both in lore and gameplay
and we know Cyte-09 exists and will exist in some way in the Origin system so they count

[thick jolt]

ahh misunderstanding on my part then

was still back in the whole how many dax could be warframes thing that started this

[balmy storm]

Its never stated but we can assume Ordis filled them in on some things
But yeah, we dont know how they knew of Hunhow exactly

[obtuse gyro]

At minimum 119 individual units

[balmy storm]

I’m assuming that’s including the 2 from Ivara’s leverian, Xaku’s 3 halves and the primes?

[nova harness]

Ordis told them

[obtuse gyro]

Not including the deleted frames from ivara and the lost frames from xaku

[balmy storm]

Is it stated?
Cause I’m def assuming Ordis did but maybe I missed if it said that

[obtuse gyro]

Its literallt (59 x 2)+1

[chilly pine]

"Xaku's 3 halves"

[balmy storm]

So 123 total with them included?

[obtuse gyro]

Ivaras companions should not count, since that was the testing phase

[nova harness]

Not stated but nobody else could do it

[balmy storm]

We can call them halves ):

[balmy storm]

Ah okay

[tight pagoda]

Cyte-09’s Prime lore is going to be wacky

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna count the lost frames from Xaku into the census cause we do technically use them

[nova harness]

They are mashed together into 1

[balmy storm]

3 as 1

[plush swan]

[Citation needed]

[balmy storm]

There’s a reason Lotus got the Xaku skin

[thick jolt]

the point is that the 3 would have to be made first before the incident happened where they became one

[balmy storm]

They were 3 now they are 1

[tight pagoda]

Teshin might’ve done some filling in too

[plush swan]

Drifter regularly received guidance from the Lotus in Duviri. Who knows how much information was conveyed through that connection?

[tight pagoda]

He probably can’t leave Duviri but he at least remembers the Origin system

[chilly pine]

now that i just thought about it, another stupid question what about some of the skins (yareli pandea and such)?

[nova harness]

The guidance wasn't information on people just locations in Duviri

[tight pagoda]

Yeah that’s a good point, it sounds like there are two Yarelis

[balmy storm]

Clearly not enough if they forgot Ballas’ name while dismantling his archons lol

[strange sentinel]

There are multiples of a lot of frames

[chilly pine]

think hydroid and sevagoth and probably a couple other frames have that too where it seems there are multiple variants operating

[balmy storm]

Now thats a whole other can of worms
Cause then we consider any canonical skins, including Umbra and the Protos
In which case Cyte-09 becomes weird cause we dont know what his situation is gonna be

[thick jolt]

the fact both lore yarellis lose could mean its the same loser in different points of their loss streak

[balmy storm]

Which came first, the 1999 cyte-09 or the origin system cyte-09?
We dont know

[strange sentinel]

I'm willing to bet Cyte is the only one who survives into the Old War and he's found and shaped into what he is when we find him in our actual time

[tight pagoda]

I still like the theory that Origin Cyte-09 is ProtoCyte-09, Quincy having festered so long that he becomes a Warframe

[chilly pine]

what i think, is cyte-09 wasnt finished being developed by the orokin for whatever reason, seems like a technical/placeholder name, so a cyte-09 frame doesnt exist until after we go to 1999

[balmy storm]

He’d have to survive a very very long time for that to happen

[strange sentinel]

you can survive sitting still for one thousand years pregnant in the warframe universe

it ain't that hard

[tight pagoda]

Cyte-09 is an Albrecht original from the sounds of things

[balmy storm]

I’d prefer not unless he was hidden away
I really dislike the idea of a potential bootstrap origin for the frames

[plush swan]

I'm pretty sure Drifter was just mocking Ballas at that point, given that Drifter refers to Ballas by name earlier.

[strange sentinel]

bootstrap would suck

[thick jolt]

probably the 1999 just based on how it matches albrechts naming scheme
bird 3, cyte 09

[balmy storm]

Could be, could be they genuinely forgot

[plush swan]

Well, if they did, then it was after talking to Hunhow.

[balmy storm]

Thats what I’m thinking too

[tight pagoda]

For Cyte-09 it might not technically be a bootstrap (if I understand the term right), it’s not like he’s done anything in the Origin system yet. In fact he’s probably already dead, having fallen on December 31st alongside Aoi. We might have to interfere to save him

[nova harness]

A lot can happen in 1000 years of dying

[chilly pine]

we dont even know how long it was from 1999 to the old war, tho i wonder if we can get an estimate now with jade about the time passed between old war and now

[balmy storm]

If the origin system cyte-09 is the 1999 cyte-09 I’d really prefer he was hidden away beyond the Orokin’s reach
Keep the plausibility of a bootstrap origin outta here

[plush swan]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't 1000 years from Drifter meeting Hunhow in TNW to the scene where Drifter and Operator share a meal in TNW

[balmy storm]

Long enough the Orokin terraformed most of the system

Also long enough the Orokin became a thing

[hearty pendant]

no, but duviri time is certainly not entirely connected to origin system time
which is i think what they're referencing

[balmy storm]

We dont even know what the 1999 government is aside from it possibly having two primary rulers depicted as the Sun and Moon
But that could be a religion?
Idk

[tight pagoda]

The point they’re making is that Drifter calls them Ballas to Hunhow, then acts like they forget his name when talking to Operator

[balmy storm]

Or genuinely did forget

They kinda had a lot on their plate

[tight pagoda]

Albrecht’s also getting a lot of reverence

[nova harness]

Why does Hunhow and Stalker get brain fog

[tight pagoda]

It’s contagious

[chilly pine]

also doesnt duviri happen before the second act of TNW?

[balmy storm]

That too, we dont know his ties to the 1999 government
Though I doubt he’d jumpstart the orokin

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it’s Teshin gameplay — Duviri — something happens that lets Drifter leave — the rest of the game

[nova harness]

Duviri starts when the hand landed

The 2 quests connect together

[chilly pine]

the quest starts yes, which is after god knows how long, and is the final loop the drifter goes through before being able to return to the origin system i think

[tight pagoda]

He negotiates with Thrax allowing the loop to restart so that Teshin lives

[balmy storm]

Operator gets stabbed
Drifter gets stabbed
Hand lands
Duviri quest plays out
Drifter leaves
Operator is stuck in a timeloop of the zariman incident

[balmy storm]

That. Is not what happened lol
The Drifter took control and caused the restart to save Teshin

[tight pagoda]

Oh right

It would be nice if the quest was replayable

[balmy storm]

Yeah it really would be

[nova harness]

Drifter sits on the throne and does it

[balmy storm]

Begin again.

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-paradox-mesa-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-7660166023002399518

Lmao looking up duviri in gifs is awesome

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-farm-gif-9949198291138973259

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-arthur-nightingale-warframe-1999-1999-gif-4632106320046100632

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-minor-disagreement-ember-prime-gif-25597566

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-amir-volt-volt-warframe-warframe-volt-gif-15529542256210010185

[balmy storm]

banger

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-little-duck-solaris-gif-21084918

[balmy storm]

My secret
Revealed

[nova harness]

Someone had to

Though not much of a secret considering the name

[balmy storm]

[strange sentinel]

it's only a bootstrap if he's based off of himself

this is why my random mutation theory is the best warframe creation theory 😌

[balmy storm]

If he’s the only bootstrap then that’s fine
Just leave the origin of Warframes alone 😭

[strange sentinel]

he does seem the most likely to survive all this time

so he probably just turned into a unique frame after his helminth shot (unlike the others who turned into already-discovered frames) and then survived into present day

[formal grove]

Koumei theory: either a follow-up/sequel to Plague Star or introducing Infested Ghouls

[thick jolt]

We will find out later this week possibly

[chilly pine]

could be both and more

[formal grove]

or Vay Hek made a "Ghoul" strain of the Infested like how Moldy Salad made a strain of the Infested that could affect machinery

[balmy storm]

Its not really a possibly, the devstream is about the update lol

Really hoping Koumei somehow involves the Unum

[thick jolt]

They probably will not spoil the quest contents tho

[chilly pine]

if the lyrics and background from the teaser are related to koumei then she has to be involved somehow with the unum/quills

[thick jolt]

Like maybe concept art

[balmy storm]

Do we even know if it’s a quest?

[thick jolt]

But i dont see them revealing it all

[thick jolt]

Rebb mentioned it in an interview iirc

[balmy storm]

I mean
It is called Koumei and the 5 fates

[thick jolt]

Someone posted a screenshot with the subtitles some time ago

[balmy storm]

👀 we just keep winning

[thick jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1252338659680718878/1279670804573061132/image.png?ex=66f1a20e&is=66f0508e&hm=39babddacde5adcfaedc187c2fe6952cbc4caf34d1b4de04f6c6709fbc8b1c3a&

@balmy storm

[chilly pine]

two and a half hours? sounds like theyre cooking something good

[thick jolt]

Wait this might be about 1999 let me check

[obtuse gyro]

its about 1999

[nova harness]

It is

That was the interview about 1999

[balmy storm]

Thats for 1999

[chilly pine]

2.5 hours for 1999, sounds about what id expect

[nova harness]

The next update we don't know much about

Do we even know if the next update is a quest?

[chilly pine]

seems like we know nothing about the next update, aside from some things that definitely didnt get leaked somewhere

[balmy storm]

Somehow had said Koumei is gonna be the sister update to Dagath’s
Which I can believe considering it’ll be in October

[balmy storm]

We know there’d 3 deluxe skins and a rework coming with it

And a new frame that Pablo had said something about during tennocon, just that it was wild or something like that

[chilly pine]

3 deluxe skins huh? we know who?

[balmy storm]

We also know the name and the song which we can gather some info from

[obtuse gyro]

3? I know we have caliban, who are the other two

[balmy storm]

Caliban
I forgot who else they said but they deliberately didnt specify the third

[chilly pine]

caliban makes sense since rework and giveaway, there was also pets getting a rework too i heard, not sure if anything else is getting reworked

[balmy storm]

I think it was one of the community streams where they mentioned it, but take my words with a grain of salt as I would not be able to find exactly what was said

[balmy storm]

We also know what his looks like already lol

There’s also some new incarnons coming

[chilly pine]

will be nice to see what theyre like on their weapons

[thick jolt]

Yup really mixed the two up

[balmy storm]

Pablo had said “its one of the craziest designs I’ve made”
This was at tennocon and we now know this was in regards to Koumei

We also have item favoriting coming!

[balmy storm]

It happens

[chilly pine]

oh god yeah, all the upcoming QoL stuff, good lord they just keep coming

[thick jolt]

I thought we did but we dont just checked the more recent devshorts and the news page

[nova harness]

Can't you already favorite stuff

Or was that just colours

[balmy storm]

There is companions 2.0 part 2 coming

[chilly pine]

loadouts yes, but i think thats it, and colours

[balmy storm]

Not items like frames and weapons

[nova harness]

Bout time we have frame favoriting

[thick jolt]

Yup pet rework part two was mentioned in tennocon as part of the then unnanounced update which we now know as koumei and the five fates

[balmy storm]

I really wanna know what Pablo was talking about

Very excited to find out

[thick jolt]

Well we are getting close to knowing

[chilly pine]

im sure all will be revealed, friday or saturday cant remember which

[thick jolt]

This week will either pass by in a flash or slog by
Knowing me it will feel like a slog

[balmy storm]

Friday, depending on timezone ofc

[tight pagoda]

Volt, and as Ducky mentioned they haven’t stated the third

[obtuse gyro]

Oh right! the picture people mistook for koumei

[balmy storm]

Forgot about the volt one lmao

[strange sentinel]

thrax is volt

think about it

[fading current]

how

[fiery kettle]

how

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow

[nova harness]

Huhhow

[native snow]

wohnuH

[covert tree]

Hunny

[prime raptor]

Hug how?

[covert tree]

HugNOW

[nova harness]

Hungdown

[native snow]

HungaBunga

[wild copper]

H. Howard

[bronze glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1283277246127411200/image.png?ex=66f2e351&is=66f191d1&hm=8d0acd7649c0d816edd6333273cb4d2f3afbedc6bb1757441830843ad7a2d0b3&

[gusty mesa]

Stalker appears and gives his big winded speech
Jade: That's nice dear, please pick up the milk on your way home
Stalker: .....

fine

[ember mulch]

I doubt we're ever going to give arthur his kinepage back in 1999, so how is he going to communicate with us? Is he going to just use the computer or keep borrowing lettie's? Can we steal his computer next?

[fierce summit]

His romance arc begins when you give him his kinepage back and apologize with a 🥺

[nova harness]

I'd give it to Eleanor to troll him with first

Make him think he was just not looking well enough

[shell snow]

You kidding? Put it back in his area in just a slightly hidden spot that he definitely looked without telling him to make him think he’s going crazy

[thick jolt]

I have been thinking
Someone might die during the quest
And then we receive the atomicycle at the end with some message to the effect of "they would have wanted it to be put to good use"

[nova harness]

Amir dies
He never used his bike he would want you to have it putting it to good use

[thick jolt]

Lol

Do you think he even has a bike?

[nova harness]

Yes

[thick jolt]

Or when gathering gear he just went
"Nah just bring me batteries for my walkman"

[nova harness]

They all have one

[thick jolt]

I didnt stop to count them during the mall relay

[nova harness]

Just Amir never uses his because he is a living running bike

DE made a thing that said he rarely uses iirc

I'm sure he wouldn't mind us commandeering it

[native snow]

this is my headcannon now

[native snow]

pretty sure thats whats gonna happen. amir doesnt need his anyway so might as well give it to us

[nova harness]

I'll steal it either way

He can't stop me I'll just Out Volt him

[native snow]

or pick gauss

[nova harness]

Or fly over him with Titania

[zenith jacinth]

Loki swap with him while he's driving

[strange sentinel]

kill him

[tight pagoda]

Break his knees

https://tenor.com/view/teen-titans-go-kid-flash-broken-leg-robin-wally-west-gif-224338162861209196

[native snow]

Does that ivara bug still works where you can catapult yourself of her zipline? would be a good contester as well

[woeful patio]

Volt infestated agility+ speed skill+ pure strenght and durability
Pros= it can not be as fast as Gauss but you do have waaaay more agility and control
Cons= its more expensive then corpus tax.

[nova harness]

Even if slower than Guass its definitely faster than Volt Proto

[woeful patio]

Bro go running instead of bike he is a complete no worth.

[nova harness]

Gets his steps in

[zenith jacinth]

Gameplay volt can go faster than gameplay gauss iirc... I wonder how accurate that is to lore

[strange sentinel]

I think that was debunked

[warm anvil]

i don't think that's a bug? if it's with her augment it scales with abikity strength

[vale helm]

the only thing that makes gameplay gauss slower are the walls in his way

[scarlet basalt]

If the hex get fought fiercely and somehow be part of the main hivemind, could it be that we will see more frustrating ennemies ? Like imagine an anti volt unit from the infestation

[prime lantern]

That and he's just slower than volt and most other speed frames

[pale wigeon]

how is this spoilers

[nova harness]

Read the context you'll find out

[pale wigeon]

okay

[worthy oracle]

chat who's the baddest?

[obtuse gyro]

pick based on name, the look can be purchased with plat

[worthy oracle]

i see

4 months of legit crafting necramech is paid off

the quest was a blast

[nova harness]

Margulis objectively worst choice

[worthy oracle]

bruh i pick margulis

[zenith jacinth]

Lore-wise

[worthy oracle]

i see

[strange sentinel]

She also looks kinda stupid

They should remove the name part of the choice from the game

Every NPC and quest and stuff still calls her Lotus

[balmy storm]

To others she’s still known as the Lotus
The point of the choice was her deciding which personality will take charge

[nova harness]

She had an identity crisis

[balmy storm]

I would too after everything she’s been through

aka Ballas

[fading current]

The three faced goddess

[balmy storm]

Born as Natah, forced to act as Margulis, finds herself becoming the Lotus, then killed and brought back as essentially a zombie then fully revived just for her personality to be fractured between the three

To me she’ll always be the Lotus as it was the only personality she had where she had a real choice

[pale wigeon]

ya true

but 6h is loong

[pale wigeon]

^

[clear saddle]

So Drifter is going to 1999

[clear saddle]

Imagine Drifter riding a motorcycle

Now he can drift with the motorcycle

[scarlet basalt]

we still don't know if DE will allow us to play drifter, but i hope so, bcz imagine if drifter's specialty is to be more of a tactical unit

[nova harness]

Well Eleanor expected 2 of us, not 1

[cursive ferry]

I can't wait to see other prototype we might find in 1999

[scarlet basalt]

but what's a mara lohk 🧐 ?

man it will be fun to send every hex against the murmur

[nova harness]

That's the question isn't it, kiddo

[scarlet basalt]

the hex thinking the tech rot is the worst thing... They don't know

[nova harness]

In 1999 it probably is

Think we will ever being the hex to our time?

[scarlet basalt]

we are the hex for our future i guess ?

[obtuse gyro]

gemini skins says yes

[obtuse gyro]

protoframe, not prototype

[thick jolt]

Would be fun if they had new dialogue after using the gemini skins and we go back to the mall

[nova harness]

Actually, some relays apparently have hex in them now

[scarlet basalt]

"What the hell was that titan roaming around Eris ?"

[thick jolt]

Wait what?

[warm anvil]

WHAT?

[nova harness]

Yeah some pictures have shown them dunno if it's a bug or not where they have been in relays

[obtuse gyro]

how bout you show those pics

[nova harness]

That's one post I saw

[warm anvil]

yoooo whatt

[scarlet basalt]

small man

[bronze glen]

Lotus was an idendtity she picked before

I let her pick it up again

[nova harness]

That depends on how you look at it actually

[bronze glen]

That's how I look at it lmao

[nova harness]

Ballas made her into Lotus trying to make her Margulis

[bronze glen]

But she accepted that identity when she decided to care for the Tenno

[nova harness]

Ballas made her that way

Brainwashing

[strange sentinel]

hey he got you here

[bronze glen]

Me and Nemesis are cool though

[bronze glen]

Then she got brainwashed into going back to being Natah. Poor girl been through so much.

[nova harness]

Then she had an identity crisis

[real niche]

brain fard

[nova harness]

Mess with a mind long enough it's bound to happen

[real niche]

It's weird because Natah was her original personality, and then she got comfy as Lotus and then was yanked out of it

[radiant bough]

I chose Natah because she didn't have to hide and pretend to be someone else anymore. The Lotus may have been an identity that she chose, but it was every bit as much of a mask as Margulis

At least that's my interpretation

[fading current]

Ayo what the heck

[strange sentinel]

no way

[scarlet basalt]

What do they mean by : "I've been waiting for this, your nightmare become real"
On koumei's ost, this is such a strange thing to say despite the fact that there was war,titan ghost,etc...

[chilly pine]

could be a few things, speculation is it has some sort of connection to plague star (lyrics also reference "corruption infesting your lands" i think) so theres that, we also suspect koumei will be related to some kind of yokai of which there are many vengeful types from what i understand

[strange sentinel]

What if the story and song aren't even about Koumei

What if the song is a description of Koumei

A nightmare

[chilly pine]

honestly we dont really know a whole lot and wont until the devstream

[rustic finch]

🔥Who are you pledged too🔥

[balmy storm]

Suda
I love her pursuit of knowledge

[rustic finch]

Enemies but ok

[zenith jacinth]

Arbiters

[rustic finch]

Well well well...

Here you go

[balmy storm]

I’m also chill with the arbiters
And SM

All 3 are the best options to me

[zenith jacinth]

The veil still likes me because I regularly do syndicate missions for meridian

[balmy storm]

They used to like me

But then I discovered Suda
Now they don’t like me

[zenith jacinth]

Well, the rank is slowly going down

[balmy storm]

All cause I love the pursuit of knowledge and art 😔

[rustic finch]

Do y'all have a favorite Warframe quote?🔥

[zenith jacinth]

I just like fighting bad guys, and the arbiters encourage it despite their stated mission...

[nova harness]

You are late

[balmy storm]

Most things Yonta says

I guess specifically could maybe be Xaku’s old description

Or the entirety of Albrecht’s notes

Too many good picks

[zenith jacinth]

Or albrecht's line about being an honest demon

[thick jolt]

"Corpus greedy milk"
General sargas ruk at some point

Also the whole profit +growth= grofit

https://youtu.be/76pK9G8CVP0?si=MMkVUtF7e4ZBIE6p

[bronze glen]

Yes

Bite my head clean off, Mother! That's where the good meat is! Suck the guts until the little legs kick, kick, kick!

[balmy badger]

Best roast in the game.

[tight pagoda]

“Vainglorious Whelp” from Hunhow

[nova harness]

That's it off you go to die

[wispy jasper]

"Okay. Does everyone see the Tenno? Listen. Jarka has dealt with them before. Wait until it starts mining. Or fishing. Then attack!"

[scarlet basalt]

I also, think that Koumei should be pre TNW, like new player can experience whatever they will bring
And that it's also on Poe

[wispy jasper]

Probably will be if it’s your regular standalone content

[strange sentinel]

there's enough pre-TNW content for new players

[scarlet basalt]

since it's the sister of dagath's update it wouln't be surprising if it's pre tnw

[tight pagoda]

We’ll know in 4 days

[nova harness]

Huh?

[scarlet basalt]

Rebb iirc said that Koumei & five fates is a "sister" to dagath's update
With QOL and all maybe ? 1 new gamemodes i guess
Bcz iirc dagath brought some companion rework ?

[graceful zodiac]

But why would that indicate if it's pre or post new War. Dagath gives no indication to either or. It's just related to a holiday at best.

[scarlet basalt]

I would say because it is said to be "sister"
But likely i do think that it will be post tnw bcz of the fact they use way more BPM and vocals on her songs
But the ost being likely focused on Infestation (from the violin the infestation has) it could be related to plague star + that they show POE ? so pre tnw

[graceful zodiac]

Again though, sister doesn't mean anything in relation to the timeline

[scarlet basalt]

true, it will be a strange update i feel like

But like every warframe update is strange in the end 😔

[graceful zodiac]

At best, it would just be an indication of the type of content coming in the update

More so given they're pretty much the same structure

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC Rebb said that the ost is a taste of what the new content will feels like ? Maybe infestation will be wilder than before lmao

[graceful zodiac]

New frame, new mission, some frame lore

[scarlet basalt]

ngl for a content to have this kind of ost, i feel like it will be a very surprising update

even 1999's ost felt more calm than whatever koumei may bring 😭

[cursive ferry]

I hope Koumei's quest is involved with the Arbiter of Hextis

[nova harness]

It won't be but we don't even know if its a quest

Arbiters are just Warframe fan club

[cursive ferry]

oh well

Arbiter need something at least, I mean New Loka get one and they're literally tree purist

[nova harness]

Arbiters have Arbitration

[cursive ferry]

that's not a story quest

[nova harness]

They aren't completely neglected

[cursive ferry]

every syndicate get at least some lore to them, Arbiter as far as I can tell, get a gamemode

[nova harness]

If they had a quest it would either be a minor role or them understanding what they want to know making their whole mission worthless

[cursive ferry]

That's a you assumption that I will not subscribe to. I just wanna see them do new stuff

[nova harness]

Don't subscribe then but looking at all the facts they only have one goal and once tht goal has been accomplished they become pointless you still haven't gave an idea for a quest you just think add them to a quest because they haven't got one

They are literally just Warframe fanboys who want to learn the full truth

I gave you an actual example of what a quest would be with the facts we have

Plus we aren't in the syndicate arc rn

Easier to save them for later if ever

[cursive ferry]

What do you mean by syndicate arc, is there a period between story update that's routinely dedicated to syndicate or something

(also you made your point)

[strange sentinel]

an Arbiters story could just be a Tenno story with them as the driving force

say they realize we need more power than we have to beat Wally so they help us grow in the Void

[nova harness]

Actually, imagine to fight Wally all the syndicates team up to help

[strange sentinel]

question

how did the Red Veil interpret Rell's teachings as "purge the universe"

[nova harness]

No, rn main 6 syndicates aren't the arc or connected to the arc in any way, especially Arbiters

[strange sentinel]

I'd say the Arbiters are the most connected out of all of them

[nova harness]

I'd assume it was when Rell got took over by Wally

[strange sentinel]

Except maybe Red Veil

Arbiters have an advantage though because their thing is just "Tenno"

[nova harness]

Nah Veil are thier jesus was a Tenno

Arbiters are just Tenno fan club

[strange sentinel]

and they had Wally stuff

[nova harness]

Veil is realistically the only right choice

Arbiters aren't even happy when we use self defence

[strange sentinel]

I don't think there is a right choice

They're all flawed, just some more than others

Majorly flawed

[nova harness]

Yeah but looking at Veils goals I think it aligns the most based on what happened to Rell and stuff

Red Veil revenge story

Plus they were forced to hurt allies

[obtuse gyro]

if there's some entity that can wear other people's faces, I'd imagine that translates to "anyone acting off is wally, and they must be purged" which is at complete liability to Red veil's interpretation of "acting off"

[jovial bison]

It's very odd that we never got a Kinepage message yesterday, maybe we'll see something around TGS?

[tight pagoda]

TGS will have some 1999 stuff, they said so in the dev short

Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some big reveal

[balmy storm]

The main reveal will be for Koumei
Cool we’re getting some 1999 too

[tight pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ueeys4aAWtc?feature=shared&t=4m18s

Part 1 is Koumei and the Five Fates, then QoL, then a teaser for 1999

Sounds like an animated short focused on Aoi from the sounds of things

[fading current]

Only animated short we’re getting is the one being done by the Line and that’s said to release closer to 1999 or alongside it. There was one article with an interview of the peeps working on the short and they said expect that around November time frame.

[native snow]

will we be getting some more info on the new lich system in the next devstream?

[fading current]

We don’t know what kind of info we’ll be getting as of yet. All we know is we’re getting some 1999 teases this upcoming stream with the va for Aoi being there and that’s it.

[thick jolt]

If we do it wont be details

This coming devstream is focused on the update before 1999 which has the new lich stuff

[rustic finch]

I forgot to make the chin longer

[rain otter]

I thought we get the liches during 1999?

[thick jolt]

Hmm i can see how that came across ambigous but what i meant was
Devstream will focus on koumei and five fates
Infested liches are 1999
Therefore devstream even if it mentions them wont have details

[rain otter]

Okay.

I could see it adding Infested lich rj or something.

[balmy storm]

I’m still wondering how a stadium from 1999 is in Earth’s orbit

If the infested liches also go from planet to planet would they be on tour?

[thick jolt]

How does a big boil launches off of eris(or close iirc) and lands on earth

[balmy storm]

You talking about the plague star boil?

[thick jolt]

Yup

[balmy storm]

I can reasonably see the modern infestation having some way to propel itself
The more impressive thing is it accurately landing tbh

[thick jolt]

If that boil can go from around eris to earth

I could see the stadium lifting off "my people need me" style

Of course something will probably happen in 1999

[balmy storm]

I could maybe see the stadium’s infestation propelling itself somehow but like. How has it just been chilling there, and if we change the past to cause it to be there how would it go untouched?

[thick jolt]

But one can dream

[thick jolt]

One thing is certain
Albrechts oversight will cause issues yet again

[balmy storm]

I could see it somehow propelling itself or we blow it sky high
But how has it just been chilling there, cause that’s presumably what’s happened

Did the Orokin just notice the infested object in orbit and just decided “lets not touch that ever”
Cause
I doubt that

Cause it would be seen as a threat, one they could easily handle

Another possibility is the stadium is rebuilt via the infestation

[thick jolt]

Hadnt earth been abandoned to the megaflora at some point? Could be part of the whole ignore that this whole planet happened?

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah but the stadium would be there for all of Orokin history

[thick jolt]

Hmmm but wasnt it also enveloped in a huge infested mass during the demo?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[thick jolt]

Enough dirt clumps on top of it it could look just like any old asteroid

Maybe

[balmy storm]

Put yourself in the shoes of the Orokin, you know there’s been an infested dormant mass in orbit as long as you can remember
It poses a potential threat
You really gonna just leave it there?

There were also speakers in space

It could have just been seen as more garbage in orbit but idk, depends how dormant it was I guess

It’s also stadium sized so. 🤷‍♀️

[thick jolt]

The image i currently have is of a bunch of dirt clumped around the infested mass
Feasably you could have the clumps(speakers atached) break off as the infested mass wakes again

[balmy storm]

Big enough and I’d assume the Orokin would at least have tried to mine it if they identified it as an asteroid

My point is even if it was hidden I’m kinda doubting it remained hidden forever, its a stadium sized piece of rock and infestation
That’s going to be noticed at some point and I don’t see why it wouldn’t be investigated

[tight pagoda]

I think the stadium was built as a forced evacuation procedure
“Hey everyone OnLyne is performing, everyone go into this stadium now. Ok everyone’s in the stadium, launch them into space so they don’t get infested. Oh crap OnLynes been infested this whole time dang it”

[balmy storm]

Unless of course it’s known that it’s known what it is and that its entirely dormant

[balmy storm]

Weren’t they evacuating to outside of the city though?

[thick jolt]

Hmmm maybe

The way ballas talks about the outer colonies does kinda sound like they left the infestation alone when it behaved and stayed whereever it was

[balmy storm]

The stadium would also make people sitting ducks for the infestation

[tight pagoda]

I mostly said that as a joke, no way that the government put resources in sending a boy band concert into space

If I’m right about this though all of you owe me a resource booster

[balmy storm]

If the Orokin government started in 1999 and it was observed that the stadium was heavily infested and launched itself into orbit I could reasonably see them keeping an eye on it, and due to it being dormant it was just accepted it was chilling and never bothered with it

[thick jolt]

This quest will be such a mess

[balmy storm]

The stadium doesn’t look like it has engines or anything like that, it looks like it was ripped from the ground

[balmy storm]

No

[thick jolt]

The timeline is about to resemble warfarme's code

[balmy storm]

Such a beautiful mess
Like the infestation :D

[thick jolt]

Yup

[thick jolt]

Infesgetthi

[balmy storm]

I dont know if it’ll muck up the timeline that bad, it depends what happens though

[rain otter]

I hope we get a Infested update that does something with Infested RJ. Cuz otherwise I dont understand.

[balmy storm]

Most I can see is simple time travel and our actions causing some changes, but nothing that shatters the timeline
Like creating an infested lich

[rain otter]

Anyway. I hope we get a Infested update soon if this isn't it.

[balmy storm]

I can maybe see Koumei being that to some extent
Or something after 1999

[rain otter]

Sure.

[thick jolt]

Warfarme lore just might become as complicated as people who skip cutscenes think it is

[balmy storm]

[scarlet basalt]

Could warframe do crossover through skins but like yk the 1999 things that allow you to go with arthur instead of excal ?
Like imagine if we're closer of a Warframe x D2 crossover lmfao so everyone stop comparing those two very different game

[balmy storm]

How would a crossover get people to stop comparing them?

[fading current]

Yea what lol. I feel that like that’d just make people think they were more alike than before

[scarlet basalt]

idk space magic

[balmy storm]

[amber terrace]

If I may glaze Warframe in the weirdest way, the significant time investment associated with getting good and having fun in Warframe, kinda self gatekeeps the game from toxic people. Sure you’ll see a few bad apples in fissures or eidolons, but those are few and far between, whereas with Destiny 2, if you don’t have the uber good kill em all exotic that you can’t get anymore because Bungie removed the content associated with getting that weapon, you’ll never be able to raid

Like with Destiny, given that literally anyone can get in and play current update content, you often find that toxic people have an easier time flowing through the cracks, meanwhile with Warframe, given that you have to play 11 years worth of content to get to a stage where you’re fit to play the current update content, it’s a lot harder for toxic people who bounce from game to game and don’t have patience for high investment games to really stick

[strange sentinel]

yet somehow not harder to play with friends

it is an interesting and appreciated balance

[scarlet basalt]

I hope de release the infestation ost in tgs bcz I can't wait

De please

Do you guys think the unum and albretch interacted ?

[nova harness]

They haven't

Unum doesn't just allow anyone to speak to her and Albrecht hid in Deimos away from everyone and then 1999

[wispy jasper]

Depends on the timeline of Unum exerting her consciousness I guess. Albrecht may have lent some tech to the creation of the towers. Whatever Unum is, I doubt the Orokin intended her self-actualization. I could see maybe Albrecht discovering her and leaving some safeguard for the future in her care before timelining himself, but given his personality I doubt they would be buds.

[scarlet basalt]

Unum for the whole era when god was discovered :

[nova harness]

Warframe has no gods

[scarlet basalt]

I was joking 😔

[nova harness]

You committed a deadly sin

[scarlet basalt]

Oh no, I will get killed by lotus herself 😭

[nova harness]

The Indifference wants to take

She will let it

[scarlet basalt]

I hope she doesn't become a witch, which what she implied with lotus eater :w:

[nova harness]

With her mimic powers I am surprised she isn't already

[wispy jasper]

Based on the line I guess that’s what she envisions her next role. She’s done being Daughter and Mother, resolved to hold vigil and provide us guidance on the battle she can no longer lead on herself.

[tight pagoda]

New Naberus Lotus Witch skin

[scarlet basalt]

It would be awesome

[nova harness]

Someone pick a quest other than anthem for me to replay

[scarlet basalt]

The angels of the zariman

[wispy jasper]

Waverider

[tight pagoda]

The New War

[nova harness]

I'd love to replay Aotz but you can't

[scarlet basalt]

Wait what ? I thought they let us wtf

[nova harness]

Wish Lotus Eaters was

[wispy jasper]

Chains of Harrow is probably a good revisit if you haven’t in a spell

[nova harness]

Rap Tap Tap

Realised I forgot to replay Vox Solaris

[scarlet basalt]

That would be cool if de buff survivability mods bca they take so much place but doesn't do much

[tight pagoda]

Unreplayable quests according to the Wiki

[scarlet basalt]

Wtf that's weird for mask of revenant ,angels and hod

[tight pagoda]

Prelude to War is weird, I think they just mean the parts of the quest where you follow MITW, since you can replay the cutscenes

[scarlet basalt]

Idk it just doesn't make much sense if angels can't be replayed but witw can be ????

[tight pagoda]

Yeah ultimately they're the exact same quest that showcase the new nodes and gamemodes you're unlocking

[nova harness]

They made the Rising Tide replayable

[tight pagoda]

Jade Shadows initially wasn't replayable either

Same with Whispers

[scarlet basalt]

Jade shadow is peak Warframe but people fear my opinion
Loved that quest and osts

[tight pagoda]

Weird way to spell Waverider smh

[scarlet basalt]

This quest made me hate more the ventkids 😭😭😭😭

Glinky is like a slur to me now

[nova harness]

They made Rising tide co-op

[tight pagoda]

IMO if they make any of these quests replayable it should be

1. Duviri Paradox (personal preference)
2. Angels of the Zariman
3. Heart of Deimos
4. Veilbreaker
5. Vor's Prize
6. The Prologue quests but especially Lotus Eaters

[tight pagoda]

MUCH easier with that, especially since multiple friends on the same point makes the progress go so much faster

[nova harness]

They show just make all replayable

[scarlet basalt]

Thank God yt vidéos exist

[nova harness]

Can't see any reason not to

[scarlet basalt]

Iirc they said bcz it break sometime the game not sure

[nova harness]

Spaghetti code be damned

[scarlet basalt]

11 years of spaghetti code !!

[balmy storm]

Darn good spaghetti

[strange sentinel]

Pfft yeah I'd love to replay Mask of the Revenant

[topaz storm]

From about where in the game am I good to run around with ||Umbra|| and be reasonably sure I won't spoil people

I kinda put off doing the sacrifice for a few weeks

[tight pagoda]

Look, the Sacrifice is an update that’s been around for years now, don’t worry too much about spoilers either

Most players will assume it’s some Warframe ability

[topaz storm]

I mean, fair enough.

[tight pagoda]

That’s actually what I thought when I saw Operators

[topaz storm]

The people I joined with were careful to say nothing about operators until i met mine

made the moment more fun for sure

tho on actual spoilertalk

So, we're making replicas of the original warframes in our foundaries yeah

[tight pagoda]

Oh, definitely try not spoiling anyone, it’s nice to be nice. But don’t sweat it if you do inadvertently reveal anything

DE themselves use Operator in marketing by this point

[topaz storm]

But somewhere out there, some guy got biomodded to hell and back in order to run at the speed of sound and freeze-cook everyone nearby, and being permanently armorplated and unable to hold still

That's gotta suck

(gauss main)

[obtuse gyro]

about there yea

[topaz storm]

I know there's a few frames where we're more explicitly finding a specific version of them

but by and large we're duplicating people that are long gone or lost

[obtuse gyro]

instead of having to reinfect someone with a specific type of helminth and cultivate it to achieve the same frame, we're just skipping on that and building the same thing directly

[topaz storm]

Helminth being the name for the infection strain that makes warframes that was elaborated in the sacrifice cutscenes/lore?

[tight pagoda]

Yes, the only frame we’re remaking with their “original” is Umbra— he requires Kuva to be made, and Kuva was used by the Orokin to move along consciousness to new bodies which is kinda what we do here

[obtuse gyro]

uh

[tight pagoda]

That’s not stated

Just a guess

[topaz storm]

That makes sense to me

[obtuse gyro]

I highly doubt that we're moving umbras conciousness, since hes not the only frame with kuva in the recipe

[topaz storm]

I'd rather not this become a tangent argument

[tight pagoda]

Oh right Garuda

[obtuse gyro]

especially since: we dont actually use any of umbra's bits to remake him only scans

[topaz storm]

either way he's a frame with his thoughts from before

Honestly, love some meat in my robots sometimes, so this is a cool revelation to me.

I'd also wondered why the various frames have "personalities" in their idle animations after learning about the operator being at the helm

and Soylent Frames Was People is a good enough answer to me

[strange sentinel]

Transference is a merging of minds, not complete control

[obtuse gyro]

probably a remnant from the original folks, kept within the neural pathways of the frame. Who knows.

[strange sentinel]

The Operator has the will and the wheel but there are quirks that carry over from who the frame is

[topaz storm]

that's what I assume

that being said I did replace gauss noble animation with zephyr harrier animations

he's still grooving but less all over the place

dancin'

But yeah, I think one of the cooler things in this game's lore that's not being said outright is that, uh

Once you peel back the layers it's been humans all the way down

[obtuse gyro]

bimngo

[strange sentinel]

It is a very unique approach

[topaz storm]

Assuming Orokin are superadvanced humanity in the first place which makes sense to me

[strange sentinel]

Sci-fi has been oversaturated by aliens

[topaz storm]

Orokin? Humans
Greneer? Human clones that cloned clone-clones
Corpus? Humans whose org came out of Orokin Serfs
Tenno? Humans that got voided-up
Warframes? Humans that were given helminth transformations
Cephalons? I've yet to read that one comic, but at least some were literally human brainscan prisoners

It's pretty neat

[balmy storm]

All cephalons are human minds digitized or “glassed”

Everything in Warframe is human or directly caused by humans
For caused by humans you have
Sentients
Infestation (not confirmed but likely)
Void manifestations (Duviri, Holdfasts, Wally)

[strange sentinel]

Not to be confused with Halo's "glassed"

[topaz storm]

right, the sentients, which were machines the orokin sent out/controlled for ages but whom rebelled because "they're going to ruin this other star system as well"

[balmy storm]

Idk what that is so I can’t be confused by it

[topaz storm]

yah?

[obtuse gyro]

its uh, very literal

[strange sentinel]

Completely obliterate a large area of land or an entire world with plasma beams

[topaz storm]

fascinating

[obtuse gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/boldtalkforsomeoneinglassingdistance-halo-reach-gif-13025870

[strange sentinel]

Turning it to glass

[balmy storm]

Superheating til glass?

[topaz storm]

also to be clear in this spoiler discussion, I do not have the lore on Wally or Duiviri yet

[obtuse gyro]

yeap

[topaz storm]

I've met harrow and seen Wally around a few times, but I've not done da paradox or gotten to the man in the walls quest

[balmy storm]

You should!
I hope you have fun continuing the quests

[obtuse gyro]

Oh man wait till you hit Whispers

[topaz storm]

I'm pacing them out, some, I waited a few weeks after momther lotus abandoned us left before I did sacrifice

[balmy storm]

Awesome

[topaz storm]

got a few more farmes, upped my mastery, got gud at railjack stuff

[obtuse gyro]

actually wait do you have a railjack and necramech?

like critical here is the possession of a railjack and necramech

[topaz storm]

I've yet to build a necramech, but through my buddy's dojo I've got a decently upgraded railjack now

I'm getting there

[balmy storm]

You should try to get a better amp too though you will get an upgrade at one point

[topaz storm]

I also need a better amp, especially after fighting Umbra, that was painful

[obtuse gyro]

ok if youre going to pace things out, I highly recommend dedicating your time to making a necramech

this is required for The New War

[topaz storm]

It's one of the next things on my list before I get to new war yeah

I'm not great at keeping track of games with so many things to upgrade but I'm workin on it

[tight pagoda]

You physically cannot enter the New War without the Necramech

[balmy storm]

If possible you should work towards the helminth segment from Deimos but that isn’t required for any story purposes

[tight pagoda]

Luckily you don't need to mod the Necramech much, you don't use it much in New War and the enemies during that sequence can easily be taken down by a default one

[balmy storm]

Do make sure to gear up by the time you get to whispers, the game stops holding back around then iirc

[strange sentinel]

can confirm

I had to run past a lot of enemies

they should put a warning on that one instead of TNW

[nova harness]

Nah

By Whispers usually, you should know enough to manage

New War even gave you a bow that can easily manage them

[night grail]

I waited a few years. Not by choice.

[topaz storm]

oh I'm aware

years of purple lotus sounds like a pain

I'll get caught up soon enough I'm sure 🫡

[night grail]

Honestly most of the time I tune her out

Visually at least

[night grail]

I was reading a halo novel and that's unironically how I learned glass is made from silica 😭 I thought minecraft just pulled it from nowhere as a kid

[nova harness]

I honestly forgot about fake Lotus

[night grail]

Real

[strange sentinel]

I aced an early geology quiz thanks to Minecraft

[nova harness]

And they say gaming teaches nothing

[strange sentinel]

Only a thousand year old simpletons say that

I'm a little tired of the mediaism in this modern era

Video games should be recognized as an actual thing like movies and books

[nova harness]

The old SENCO on my high school said it

If I was still there and the Labs existed I'd tell her Warframe taught me what magic books are called

[strange sentinel]

Lol

[zenith jacinth]

Playing on minecraft servers is how mostly learned english

[nova harness]

What other language do you speak

[zenith jacinth]

German

[nova harness]

On the other server, someone said they think Grineer sounds German what do you think?

[zenith jacinth]

It's similar to german with the way they pronounce stuff

[nova harness]

Tbh it is English but at the same time the Royal family are part German lol

[zenith jacinth]

Grineer speech kinda sounds like a native english speaker trying to do a german accent but not too strong

[balmy storm]

Video games are largely being seen more as art
You can thank Journey for that

[strange sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[balmy storm]

Agreed
We need more

The devs that made Journey have made other artsy games
Flower for instance was quite fun

[umbral moon]

My question to de is was the man in the wall always as prominent in the story in the early days of wf and that the story has been one hell of a build up with it in mind at all times,
Or if he was just such a mysterious thing that he was expanded on because of everyone's interest in the chains of harrow quest

[eternal plinth]

I believe the earliest mentions of him was Chains of Harrow

There was some lore before that pointing at his presense,

But nothing conclusive

[umbral moon]

I'm just curious if de is doing some oda type of build up like one piece lol

[nova harness]

They planned the story in advance

Same as now

[eternal plinth]

^^^

[umbral moon]

Man I love de.

[eternal plinth]

X)

[umbral moon]

The hype for 1999 is crazy

I want quincy as a frame :(

[eternal plinth]

It's getting close thats for dang sure XD

He is one, comes out with 1999

[umbral moon]

Is he the one who Pablo stated was the most technical frame to date?

With an exalted sniper rifle?

[eternal plinth]

Both Quincy and his warframe name something something -09

[umbral moon]

Cyte I belive

[eternal plinth]

Ah okay

[umbral moon]

The eye that is in 1999 monitors is his symbol I believe

[eternal plinth]

Yep.

[umbral moon]

I could be so wrong though lol

[eternal plinth]

There is actually a good number of Proto frames that are planned to come out after the original ones do

Might see, Rhino, Loki and or Ember.

and maaaybe Saryn

But nothing is confirmed yet

[nova harness]

Yeah DE said new frames get one

Or something like that

[eternal plinth]

hm. :o

[nova harness]

Doubt every new frame will but a few

[eternal plinth]

Aye.

Two of my absolute favorites are there off the get go, so

Nyx and Excalibur :)

[balmy storm]

The eye symbol seems to be tied to Albrecht, not Quincy

[eternal plinth]

I approve of the name and profile image, my friend XD

Top tier character :)

[nova harness]

Albrecht best Warframe character imo

[eternal plinth]

Heh

Albrecht is really cool yeah

Its like you think Ballas is wack, wait until you see this guy

[balmy storm]

Thank you, Little Duck is fantastic

[eternal plinth]

except this time he's either struggling with Wally or has already been taken over by him.

[nova harness]

Albrecht has the best walk

[balmy storm]

Ballas is way more wack than Albrecht
At least Albrecht is trying to do something good

[eternal plinth]

True!

[balmy storm]

That’s why we don’t want to be late lol

[eternal plinth]

Exactly!

[balmy storm]

Albrecht isn’t a good person exactly
But better than Ballas for sure

[eternal plinth]

Yep.

[strange sentinel]

Albrecht is like Cave Johnson

[balmy storm]

Worst thing from memory Albrecht did purposefully was kill mountains of animals to try and dumb down Wally
Meanwhile Ballas’ worst things list is 10 miles long

[eternal plinth]

lmao

[nova harness]

Ballas’ worst thing is literally everything

There’s no r1 worst thing because they are all as bad as each other

[balmy storm]

Least bad thing Ballas did was breathe and that was still pretty awful of him to do tbh

[eternal plinth]

XDDD

Let's be honest almost all executors were down right evil XD

[nova harness]

Ballas breathing was bad that stab not killing him was stupid

Should’ve let Erra take control so we destroy him

[eternal plinth]

:p

Ballas is evil.. bur probably not as evil as what ever my profile image is smiling about LOL.

[nova harness]

Killed at least 30 Grineer

[strange sentinel]

plays earth missions specifically to kill kubrows

[nova harness]

That’s cruel

Even I’m not that cruel

Unless it’s on Deimos

Making son mad is funny

[tight pagoda]

I think Kubrows have the highest chance per population at dropping those Affinity pickups so I guess that’s an acceptable reason for Kubrow genocide

[rain otter]

memember when you could only have 1 Kubrow egg in your inventory at a time?

[nova harness]

That was so annoying

[rain otter]

that was really werid.

[nova harness]

DE: Have millions of resources we don’t mind
Also DE: Oh no eggs don’t follow this rule

[fiery kettle]

dna regression

[night grail]

Carrier being the only companion with vacuum

[amber terrace]

Question about the Devstream, will the audio be in Japanese? I ask because I normally have the Devstream running in the background while I play Warframe

[gusty breach]

been doing narmer missions for isoplast and blueprints, and have been getting nothing but endo for the past 4 hours.
i made this for the occassion.
im losing my mind.

[rain otter]

Endo good.

[night grail]

Maybe reb will speak a little Japanese but probably not considering most people can't speak it

[thick jolt]

Rebb and DE will speak english

There will however be an interpreter on stage for japanese

[gusty breach]

ive gotten 30k endo just from narmer bounties.
ive gotten 15 isoplast.
i need 99.

[strange sentinel]

Having my language slowly take over the world as the universal language is a great feeling

[warm anvil]

huh?

this feels "off"

[strange sentinel]

What do you mean

[worthy oracle]

steel path slap my ahh so hard

definition of bullet sponges ong

[eternal plinth]

Well, they really pick up difficulty in that mode, Its just about leveling and improving your builds :)

[worthy oracle]

all i have are standart mods, not primed or above TwT

[eternal plinth]

you can do it with normal mods too :)

[wispy jasper]

oh, the devstream is in the PM? Totally didn't pay attention to that. Why did I even wake up, to another day without fresh Warframe speculation? Do they expect me to go about my day, work, play games in this condition

[eternal plinth]

But yeah having some good weapons helps too, but you can get away with the ones you currently have ^^/

[shell snow]

Also phenmor. That also helps

[eternal plinth]

Not many people are going to have that when first entering steelpath sadly :v

But yeah going for phenmor can help, its just kind of a investment X)

Same with Laetum

[prime raptor]

Grandma has an orowyrm ornament on her forehead, or is it just me?

[gusty breach]

its similar, but not the same

it could just be typical orokin design

[nova harness]

The Orowyrm one has one the thing she’s wearing has a thing in the middle

Maybe Eurelia designed the rings from the design of the ornament

[thick jolt]

Always considered grandmas ornament as a throwback to a sideways cap
Because she's cool and handles kdrive races lol

[gusty breach]

i guarantee you she consumed substances in her prime

[balmy storm]

Bluva was actually a wild drug, not diet Kuva

[nova harness]

I should stab an Orokin to see if they bleed blue

[shell snow]

You should just stab an orokin

[balmy storm]

Please stab an orokin

[nova harness]

I would’ve but Mom didn’t give me a chance

[native snow]

grandmother prime when?

[nova harness]

She already is Prime

All Orokin start out as Prime

[native snow]

fair

[ember mulch]

I know not what thought or logic has led me to this, but I want to eat an archon shard.

Sparkly electrolyte rock

[nova harness]

You’ll break your teeth

[rain otter]

Okay we have seen a lot of similar ornaments on orokin stuff that looks like that. Also mother made the orowyrms based on Orokin stuff.

[autumn turret]

yea its a common orokin motif

[rain otter]

So if anything the orowyrms are based on things like this not this based on the orowyrms. @prime raptor

[nova harness]

Isn’t the whole of Duviri based on Orokin

[rain otter]

Yes

IT'S A BOOK

That mother made. The orowyrm is on the cover.

[balmy storm]

I swear I’ve been calling them jolly ranchers since their reveal
They are just candy

I hope we can someday read the actual Duviri book

[nova harness]

What would happen if I took mother to Duviri

[balmy storm]

I can def see how turning into an Orowyrm could be analogous to losing control of your emotions and bad things ensuing in the void

[nova harness]

Would Mother survive in Duviri

[rain otter]

She would hear her own narration.

[nova harness]

Would she hate it

[ember mulch]

"Ayatan I don't remember writing that part"

insert the guy in duviri thats basically wally

[nova harness]

Vagabond

[rain otter]

Idk. She would probably wanna know about what her dad did there.

[nova harness]

We must reunite them one day

Can Albrecht leave 1999 still

[ember mulch]

Randomly wondering how different a tauforged shard tastes from the usual ones
Tangy sparkly space rocks 🍽️

I'm no atlas main but i think these rocks would be very nice to eat

[nova harness]

Don't eat them they will break your teeth

[ember mulch]

No physical limitation shall halt my conquest

[nova harness]

Rip teeth then

[balmy storm]

Ballas ate one and he was fine

I mean he like
Died when it got sucked out of him, but that’s a skill issue

[prime raptor]

Forbidden jelly beans

[nova harness]

He sucked it into himself somehow not ate with his teeth

[balmy storm]

Shhhhh
He totally munched that thing down

[undone lodge]

He grinded it down, snorted it and it reformed inside him

[nova harness]

Eating one would 100% break your teeth

[prime raptor]

What if you take the archon shard with kuva? Not by chewing, but by swallowing

[nova harness]

Doubt the Kuva would change much

[prime raptor]

Tauforged Bloody Mary Supreme my beloved

[amber terrace]

“Amir we talked about this” Kinepage message

What did the uber tism goober(/pos) do this time?

[balmy storm]

He probably keeps stealing stuff

Is Arthur really gonna call out every single member of the Hex?
Is he gonna call out Albrecht then finally give up and just ask “who is this?”

[shell snow]

What’s funny to me is he’s using the kinepage to try and talk to the Hex even though he could just walk up to them like he presumably did with lettie to borrow hers

[warm anvil]

every time i see /pos, instead of "positive" i keep reading it as "piece of ****"

[amber terrace]

F in the chat moment

[amber terrace]

Ah yes, a glowing jolly rancher with riven juice

[ember mulch]

aight thats archon shard taste test #3

Do NOT take the archon shards with riven juice

disgusting stug dissa-pointican

...now what would aya taste like?

[thick jolt]

Memories

Its obvious the orokin ate aya, why else would regal aya be cookie shaped?

[ember mulch]

That tastes like ratatouille

[thick jolt]

[ember mulch]

Aya is pasta its not pasta, veggie cookie 👍

[amber terrace]

Question that’s gonna boil my brain until it melts out of my ears and onto my boots: is Warframe’s concept of Eternalism just the concept of a particle being in multiple states at once taken to its logical conclusion?

[nova harness]

It’s just you can theoretically get to the place where your mom doesn’t die but not that you will

[zenith jacinth]

Choice-based split timeline multiverse with a fancy name

[graceful zodiac]

I'd say not really, it's just the real theory of Eternalism with a shine of multiverse theory