spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

As real as the rest of duviri

[strange sentinel]

They can be seen flying through the normal void though

[nova harness]

Yeah Duviri is in the Void

[tight pagoda]

Only during the Citrine quest, which was close enough that it can be seen as promo for Duviri, it's possible that parts of Duviri are bleeding out

[strange sentinel]

Waiting for warframe's "dragons invade the real world" story

[nova harness]

And in Railjack

[strange sentinel]

Every good universe has one

[zenith jacinth]

Also during void storm mission transition in rj

[tight pagoda]

Oh, didn't know about that!

[strange sentinel]

Are Kaithes real?

[tight pagoda]

I think so

Dagath's got them as an ability and her backstory is about her being a rider

But I'm not sure if they were explicitly called Kaithes there

[zenith jacinth]

There's kaithe pictures on the zariman

[strange sentinel]

Neat

[tight pagoda]

Pictures like photos/paintings or kid's drawings? It's possible Kaithes are just what Unicorns are to Horses

[zenith jacinth]

Photos

[tight pagoda]

But so far then, here is a list of things in Duviri that are "real".

• Teshin
• Drifter
• Architis (?)
• The Lotus' hand
• Kullervo
• Albrecht
• Man in the Wall as the Vagabond
• The Zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Wait, correction, closer to some mediocre art you'd see in a school textbook

[tight pagoda]

Still, we know horse-looking things are real

[nova harness]

Is the Zariman real?

[tight pagoda]

Whoop

[strange sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-youre-mocking-me-gif-5147096

[zenith jacinth]

Are we real?

[dusky rover]

No

[strange sentinel]

But to be honest

The merchant lady comments on that

[zenith jacinth]

Arthritis is just a more aware duviri citizen

[strange sentinel]

She says that nobody ever talks about it, almost like it "isn't really there"

[tight pagoda]

Definitely real I'd say, it's just a matter of which Zariman it is. The Drifter's or the Operator's. When you're in the Dormizone you can see Duviri in the Zariman hole

[nova harness]

I might throw the Holdfasts into the backgarden to see if they are real

[tight pagoda]

I always got the vibe she's from the Origin system but much like what happens to other things that are exposed to the void long enough, she's changed

But I guess there's no actual evidence so good point

[zenith jacinth]

I want to try taking a duvirian out of duviri

[strange sentinel]

They aren't real until they devour you whole (connect to your void instead of the zariman's)

[nova harness]

Is Melica real?

She’s in Duviri

[strange sentinel]

We see her in the normal one too

That's the cephalon right?

[nova harness]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[strange sentinel]

Yea and in the opp's flashbacks

[tight pagoda]

You're right, sounds like she's just a Duviri-an

"There's a whole universe out there, beyond the wall. The one that old thingy-bob in the cave comes from. Or perhaps you already knew that."

"You're not like us at all, are you? I've worked out that much. Now I want more."

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin "Thingybob" Dax

[tight pagoda]

I'm getting this from the Wiki and there's no voiceline for this one. "The Warden is a repugnant, self-righteous man, speaking as though he too came from beyond the Zariman, but deep down he and I are well aware, he is of Duviri. Of the Void. We know our own."

[nova harness]

Is Dax their actual name or just part of their rank

[dusky rover]

Ngl I hate glem

[zenith jacinth]

Blasphemy

[dusky rover]

Nuh uh

[tight pagoda]

Part of their rank I think

[zenith jacinth]

I've heard that one a few times before

[strange sentinel]

Either rank or they're all part of the same family

[tight pagoda]

I'd hope not because Varzia definitely wants to jump on Teshin's bones

[zenith jacinth]

Hopefully not the latter

[strange sentinel]

She calls him uncle but that might just be playfully

Probably is just playfully

[tight pagoda]

She calls him that like a "Say hi to your Uncle Teshin" way

[nova harness]

DE make references to stuff community says

Steve even once gave Rebb a T-shirt that says the mother who calls her children losers

[strange sentinel]

Lol

[solemn cloud]

Dax are the soldiers. It's their word for their Royal Army.

[solemn cloud]

During the War Within, Teshin has dialogue that gives context to "Dax", during his talk about the Yuvan Theatre as you come up the mountain pass.

[amber terrace]

Where would be a good place to chit chat yap about naming our Operator? I’m asking here because there’s people fresh out the cryopod/statue thingy in general and I don’t want to spoil the Big Twist for them

[strange sentinel]

naming?

[amber terrace]

Yeah, like coming up with a name in your head for your Operator

[nova harness]

Why come up with another name when you already have a name

[amber terrace]

I didn’t want to make my Operator a 1:1 stand-in for myself

[nova harness]

Enemies call you your name

[amber terrace]

Ehh, I don’t really think “TinhornName4” rolls off the tongue that easily as a name

[rain otter]

Seemingly high up soilder and bodyguards. Cuz father was a soilder as well and he's not a Dax. He was on a RJ.

Also the grinner are soilders also also we see normal non Dax Soilders in the mag prime codex.

[solemn cloud]

That's why I was specific about "Royal", answering directly to the Orokin.

[nova harness]

We also see a non Dax Soldier every other week

He tries to kill us

[solemn cloud]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/tag/dax/

[amber terrace]

I don’t remember where I heard this, aren’t Dax supposed to be the best of the best with highest honor(behind the Tenno), while the Grineer tuber goobers were meant to be cannon fodder?

[flat magnet]

And mainly slave labour

[solemn cloud]

Definitely recommend checking out the above Orokin Archives tag - the context is that the Dax is/was an elite military regiment.

[amber terrace]

Like if you were a dissident cell of the Orokin, you’d probably expect to see a squad of Tuber Goobers at your door, but if you were a particularly annoying and well armed cell that’s done enough damage to warrant a stern response, you could expect to see a Dax cutting through your buddies like a flame powers through a forest or how a tsunami powers through a coastal town

Is this conjecture true?

[nova harness]

Dax was elite then a War started and they became cannon fodder

[solemn cloud]

The best analogue for the Dax would be the Sardaukar in Dune.

[nova harness]

All it took was a war for Dax to become cannon fodder

[solemn cloud]

Funny, just like the Sardaukar, too! 😅

On Arakis they had desert power, but in Warframe we have to cultivate Void Power 😅

[nova harness]

So they are Inaros?

[solemn cloud]

😅 my main is definitely powerful 😎

[signal ermine]

love when i get a lotus that isnt supposed to be shown to me yet

its supposed to be the ologram purple lotus

[amber terrace]

So how many big events in the Origin System have attracted The Indifference’s gaze? So far I can think of Albrecht’s first voyage, Lotus shifting Lua to The Void, and Ballas trying to hightail it to Tau after trying to eat the sun

[balmy badger]

That's a New War teaser.

Very occasionally when you have holo-Lotus between Sacrifice and New War, you get Natah instead in transmissions.

[strange sentinel]

I don't think that's supposed to happen

Cause why would natah be narrating our missions

[nova harness]

What mission is that?

[balmy badger]

It is actually a confirmed easteregg for when you are in that point in the story. Not a bug.

[graceful zodiac]

Only the one really, Albrecht first opening a portal. Wally had been constantly on the fringes of the system ever since

[nova harness]

In a deranged attempt to transport himself and his cult to Tau, Ballas opened portals between the Void and conventional reality on an unprecedented scale.

This has attracted the attention of THE INDIFFERENCE, whose freedom of action appears to have drastically increased.

The threat posed by THE INDIFFERENCE is now at a critical level.

[strange sentinel]

so it's an easter egg?

[nova harness]

Where was it confirmed?

[balmy badger]

I don't remember.

[prisma fox]

Sonic comic book series currently under IDW Publishing

[sour adder]

Ah, I thought it might’ve been a new series. Thanks, cyber.

[honest dagger]

Vanquish or convert? (Are sister's spoilers???)

[sour adder]

60% is the highest bonus for a tenet or Kuva weapon you got lucky

[honest dagger]

Can't decide if I should kill or convert her though. Do people want the tenet envoy? But then she has an ephemera too...

[sour adder]

Do you want the envoy?

[honest dagger]

Not really lol

[nova harness]

Do you want a free soldier?

[robust fjord]

I'd convert her she's worth alot of

[honest dagger]

Oml I love how they email you a contract when you convert them

[celest verge]

Hi. I'm from Russia. We don't have access Zendesk. Is it possible to write to technical support directly by email?

[supple dagger]

Playing the new war right now and at the point of picking op or drift, which one did you guys choose and why? Seen ppl say op bc its not drifters story and op deserves the closure, seen ppl say drifter because they did not just bend over backwards just to be kicked on the side + they started it, so they should end it

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter because drip

[halcyon gull]

Honestly yeah same reasoning here

[supple dagger]

Whats up with ordis being offended that drifter is around after the choice? ||I thought he died 😭||

[ember mulch]

Ordis cares about drifter enough to sacrifice one of his many sentinel bodies
But not enough to bother having new lines calling us drifter outside of NW.
Which is fair

Ordis does not want to bother with differentiating between tall and small operators

[covert tree]

Drifter becomes the "operator to ordis at the end of nw"

[fading current]

Late response, but I chose operator personally cuz I felt he’d want to figure out his “mothers” problems. Especially with ballas.

[covert tree]

I started the game knowing who drifter is anticipating there return I feel more close to drifter than op. Op felt like a stepping stone

[supple dagger]

Man i hate that ballsack guy, gotta kill em with hammers u right

[tight pagoda]

Guys do NOT enter the Dormizone captura scene while having Operator chosen

[zealous cairn]

I think this is one of the funniest bugs I've seen

[main panther]

Lmaoo

[zenith jacinth]

That is the angriest looking creature I have ever seen

[ember mulch]

Lol that reminds me of that one operator-size umbra glitch (no idea if its fixed) (or was it an umbra operator) that happened once post-sacrifice

[tight pagoda]

This creature is actually smaller than the Operator

I’ll record gameplay one of these days

[ember mulch]

Its the eyes of la creatura that does me in

Why he so angry

[tight pagoda]

If the Man in the Wall’s reason for destroying all other instances of the Operator when they made the deal was to prevent this creature from existing, I think I’m joining Wally’s side

[ember mulch]

Just wanna make sure
does this only happen in the captura pause or does it also happen when unpaused

[tight pagoda]

Also when unpaused

And it’s not just a one off thing

[ember mulch]

Is it like a constant shrink or only when the operator moves

[tight pagoda]

I opened the scene twice

[ember mulch]

swear to sol if this is the dwarf umbra bug 2.0

[zenith jacinth]

It knows that it's not supposed to exist, and that makes it angry

[solemn cloud]

The Man in the Captura

[nova harness]

Captura in the Wall

[covert tree]

The thing that shouldn't be

[tight pagoda]

Instead of the Indifference it’s the Intrusion

[supple dagger]

Lore on the lotus is confusing, is that her own identity that she chose or was that an identity forced upon her?

[noble beacon]

We have chosen an identity because she couldnt choose

However what now remains is an new identity build from the other 3

[hearty pendant]

not sure if they're referring to TNW choice or before that

[noble beacon]

After

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[noble beacon]

Please watch thedesiege video

[zenith jacinth]

I will not

[noble beacon]

Then you will remain wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Loretubers are wrong 99.999999% of the time

Or just really convinced that their opinion/theory is correct

[noble beacon]

Thedesiege isnt

[noble beacon]

Thats literally impossible

[zenith jacinth]

Sure

[hearty pendant]

a good amount of them that i've cared to look at have had at least a couple big things wrong
mostly due to outdated info, but still not addressed anywhere later

[noble beacon]

Please give him a try

[noble beacon]

I do admit i stopped watching some because their video was outdated and 2h long about the timeline

[zenith jacinth]

I've exclusively heard criticism for him around here

[noble beacon]

Desiege actually admits when Hes wrong

[noble beacon]

Look he isnt the most perfect being🗿

And no i dont take everything he says 100% truth, its just that some stuff i personally havent thought about actually make sense

[tight pagoda]

Anyone, please please please correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not entirely sure about this either.

Margulis was an Archimedian taking care of the Tenno. After her death, Ballas hated the other Orokin
Natah was created by the Sentients alongside Ballas to find the Tenno and corrupt them to turn on the Orokin
Natah then either got sentimental and loved the Tenno enough to turn on the Sentients, or she was captured by the Orokin and forced to betray them (this is intentionally left ambiguous). Regardless of which of these is true, her love for the Tenno eventually was real, and she became the Lotus.

At the end of the New War, she chooses which one she identifies with the most

[nova harness]

Cephalon Cy is Wally
Parvos is Wally
Warden is Wally
Duviri is the Tenno’s dream

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas wasn't involved in the creation of natah, but he did force her to become like margulis, creating the lotus

[zenith jacinth]

Everyone knows konzu is wally

[noble beacon]

Parvos we see at the end of protea quest can be Wally, idk about warden or cy, duviri is indeed the tenno dream if you think about it

[prisma fox]

Early lunch for the Indifference

[noble beacon]

You go in, you do work, nobody but you comes out

[zenith jacinth]

1 It's parvos
2 definitely not
3 no

[noble beacon]

He had to learn the hard way that abusing someone, changing hier entire psyche and then throwing em away isnt a nice thing to do

[nova harness]

Nuh uh we all know Ordis is Wally

[tight pagoda]

The Warden is Kullervo’s manifestation of guilt and self loathing, in the form of Ballas

[noble beacon]

We dont see parvos, he has only his hand

Parvos has definitely made at least 1 deal with the indifference

[noble beacon]

Oooh i thought you meant revenant og

[nova harness]

Wouldn’t say definitely

[supple dagger]

That’s the thing, i also cannot choose because it should be her choice why is DE making me choose 😞

lotus makes the most sense as thats what she became on her own accord (from what I understand), inspired by margulis and rebelling against her own kind to save and care for the tenno, which also serves as a bridge between power and logic versus care and compassion. (Im lost as to where it was said margulis’ personality was forced into her mind)

but natah could be her starting out fresh and new as her own self, but in her rawest form

BUT, the same could be said about margulis, she knows she isnt margulis, and she never was, but it could also just be another form of a clean slate for her to start fresh on, and a way for her to heal herself while healing others and the system

[zenith jacinth]

No reason why it would be wally

[noble beacon]

He literally says he has made a deal and something about creepy smiles

During Dantes quest

[zenith jacinth]

All three have arguments for and against them

[supple dagger]

Can i just choose ordis instead 🤤

[tight pagoda]

God it would be so sick if Ordis’ chatter had a corrupted twist around some point.

“Operator, when you are in Cetus, do not drink the kombuchi. I need you to answer some of my questions, kiddo…”

[noble beacon]

I picked margulis because thats what i feel is best for her, a loving caring mother to look after the others

[hearty pendant]

many consider Margulis to be the "worst" of the three, while Natah and Lotus are more on par with eachother, though there's no actual "wrong" answer. just be aware that the name is permanent

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis has the strongest argument for not choosing her: it's just lotus imitating a dead person using memories that aren't her own

[noble beacon]

"Remember when you returned covered in blood and made a mess in the orbiter? I did not mind at al- remember the deal kiddo"

[noble beacon]

Unless you chose lotus or buy the others

[hearty pendant]

you can buy the appearances, but the name stays as whatever you choose there

[nova harness]

Margulis is objectively wrong

[noble beacon]

Nah

Shes mother, the actual one

[nova harness]

It’s her naming herself after a dead woman

[supple dagger]

Some say its a last screw you to ballas, besides, he doesnt win if we pick margulis bc natah was right, marg picked death over him, and either way, both real and (fake-ish) marg loved the tenno more that they'd ever think about loving him

[zenith jacinth]

It's at the very least morally questionable

[noble beacon]

Yes its the one made by ballas but we are not throwing her away after she has completed her purpose

[obtuse gyro]

For context, she did choose its just gameplay that we made the choice, but lorewise it was her choice for who to lead the rest

[hearty pendant]

but still one that is long gone, something else wearing the moniker

[noble beacon]

This

[zenith jacinth]

What purpose, limiting our potential? I need more power, not less!

[noble beacon]

She isnt limiting us

[zenith jacinth]

Looks at large collection of vergil pfps

[supple dagger]

But what if, love is power (proven by ballas’ fear of tenno being able to control the frames just bc they got along and tamed em)

[noble beacon]

?

[tight pagoda]

I picked Lotus because it just felt like the ‘canon’ choice, call me vanilla but I like it. My Operator is also female and my Drifter male

[zenith jacinth]

Margulis was the reason we had to unlock our memories and related abilities during TWW (iirc)

[zenith jacinth]

"I need more power"

[noble beacon]

At least we didnt go extinct

[tight pagoda]

Margulis also shunned Rell

[supple dagger]

Oh my god yeah rell 😞

[nova harness]

Rell also blinding her

[noble beacon]

Rell blinded margulis

Its honestly fair

[supple dagger]

Wait whyd he even do that in the first place?

[noble beacon]

And rell was the only one keeping Wally at bay

[nova harness]

She had it coming for being too pushy

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, most likely dooming a child to die because it was scared and couldn't control its weird void powers

Very fair

[noble beacon]

He was not used to the void abilities and in a moment of confusion and stress he blasted her eyes like how simaris blasts mine during so and eso

[noble beacon]

She was p badly wounded mind you

[supple dagger]

Simaris blasting my screen with orange whenever im in a relay

[tight pagoda]

I also interpreted it as Margulis being afraid of Rell because of his acknowledgement of the Man in the Wall

[noble beacon]

Why do devs even use white screens, why not a black one

[tight pagoda]

I think Ghost of Tsushima actually has an accessibility setting that does this

[noble beacon]

This can be understandable

[supple dagger]

Alberitch Entrati would’ve loved Rell 😞

[hearty pendant]

black screen = easy transition to skyrim intro. we can't let him get away with it again

[noble beacon]

Honkai star rail actually has an black loading screen instead of Genshin impacts white

[zenith jacinth]

That's a new spelling

[tight pagoda]

“Hey Kiddo… you’re finally awake.”

[supple dagger]

Im too lazy to look it up and spell it correctly 💔

[noble beacon]

Nononono dont give him ideas

[noble beacon]

Albert Einstein basically

[obtuse gyro]

Marge wouldnt know about wally tho

[zenith jacinth]

Or dark souls "you died" screen

[tight pagoda]

What if Albrecht becomes a playable ProtoHarrow

[noble beacon]

Rell literally talked about Wally but others were afraid of him because they couldnt notice Wally around

[supple dagger]

What do you mean by this? 😭

[obtuse gyro]

Thats a stretch

[noble beacon]

puts technocyte into rell

[noble beacon]

The manga

[supple dagger]

Sigh time for another 40 hours in story missions

[obtuse gyro]

Rell didnt even know wally then, they shunned him because he was "different" not because he was talking about wally

[noble beacon]

I could be wrong but the kids were afraid because rell was knowing something was with them but nobody else knew

[noble beacon]

He knew about wally

Almost the entire time

[noble beacon]

I love story

[supple dagger]

Also because they just thought rell was really weird (he’s just on the autism spectrum)

[obtuse gyro]

Incorrect, he had yet to figure wally out. This is literally how the comic ends

[zenith jacinth]

Alberitch wouldn't risk "killing" someone so valuable to his research

[noble beacon]

True

[noble beacon]

He literally would gain more knowledge, he can even turn rell into an cephalon then put the cephalon back into the warframe

[obtuse gyro]

The final panel is of rell saying that he had someone to figure out, ergo, he had yet to know wally as wally

[zenith jacinth]

He'd gain more from not doing anything like that to rell

[noble beacon]

I see

[obtuse gyro]

And even before that, the reason the kids kick him out is directly stated by the kids

[tight pagoda]

I think that was moreso the other kids shunning Rell because he was “weird” (autistic) and they didn’t want to risk it. They knew there was some risk with emotions

[supple dagger]

I need this to be real, i need ordis in a frame now

[hearty pendant]

Host Migrator frame when

[noble beacon]

Ive been saying this since deimos released

[noble beacon]

NO

[zenith jacinth]

No they were just acting like kids. And kids are cruel

[tight pagoda]

Won’t contain him

He needs to pilot a Necramech

[zenith jacinth]

Not all were against including rell in their group

[noble beacon]

Kids are actual psychopaths because a childs brain is in emotions spectrum as developed as an psychopath

Their frontal cortex is as developed as that of a psychopath

[supple dagger]

Frame for ordis, nechramech for Ordan Karris

[noble beacon]

Nah we need ordan karris as a frame

The Beast of Bones

[zenith jacinth]

I was just making a metal gear reference but that's interesting

[supple dagger]

No- that poor man went through enough trauma already and erases his memories everytime he remembers 😭😭

[noble beacon]

I have delved into the Rabbit Hole of Psychology and dark Psychology

[noble beacon]

Which means he needs a therapist --us-- much like umbra

[zenith jacinth]

Original limbo:

[noble beacon]

Literally true

[supple dagger]

Youve got a point, and a great way to be inside ordis

[noble beacon]

Nah it wasnt host migrator, it was grief migrator

[noble beacon]

Cmon Pablo, cook up the Beast of bones

[zenith jacinth]

What.

[noble beacon]

i want to play with this frame and shred enemies with my arms covered in sharp bones

[tight pagoda]

Cavalero is exactly what I think Ordan Karris looked like in my head

[supple dagger]

I may have a very biased preference to a certain white tinted rubiks cube shaped cephalon

[noble beacon]

Same

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, ordan wasn't bald

[supple dagger]

Speaking of ordan karris, some forum said he was a grineer?

[zenith jacinth]

The image used for him in the transmission screen is a grineer with a mire stuck to his back or something

[tight pagoda]

I need to check those fragments out at some point. I’ve got a whole bunch but I haven’t read them yet, nor have I found every secret message in them that you get when hovering over the image

[nova harness]

I doubt he was actually Grineer but now I want to see a Grineer Cephalon

[tight pagoda]

“LOOK AT THEM”

[zenith jacinth]

I'm staying away from my codex until I have all of the fragments

[supple dagger]

It’d probably be yellowish orange like grineer console hacking screens

[nova harness]

Should’ve turned Elder Queen into a Cephalon

[zenith jacinth]

, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void.

[hearty pendant]

Put the Cephalon'd Elder Queen into the broken scepter. for fun

[supple dagger]

Wait a minute, if Simaris considers Ordis an antique, does that make Ordis older than Simaris and Suda?

[nova harness]

Even Cephalons have generations

[supple dagger]

Yeah

[hearty pendant]

Ordis is probably one of the oldest cephalons we know about
i think only the zariman one would be older?
though i don't know all of them
feel free to correct, idk much about the general cephalon lore

[zenith jacinth]

Melica should be the oldest cephalon we've seen so far

[obtuse gyro]

While the time frame for when ordis turned into ordis isnt specified. Melica being zarimans teacher cephalon is certainly ancient

[nova harness]

Could Suda be older

[supple dagger]

There should be a quest to retrieve Melica but then idk where DE would even put her since she only seems to be made for teaching/taking care of kids with the way she talks

[zenith jacinth]

Suda got cephalon'd during the old war

[supple dagger]

I assume Suda is somewhere around Simaris’ age as it’s speculated that Simaris is her forgotten significant other

[nova harness]

Imagine we got a Cephalon release order

[hearty pendant]

iirc the comic around suda implies that simaris and suda knew each other before becoming cephalons
i'd guess Melica > Ordis > Suda > Simaris

[supple dagger]

Seems about right with what we know so far

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl now i'm thinking , does every cephalons know each other since the weave exist ? (like at some degrees ?)

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[nova harness]

Do they know Nihil

[zenith jacinth]

Most likely

[nova harness]

Who’s smarter Suda or Simaris

I wanna see a knowledge off now

[zenith jacinth]

Suda

Simaris isn't as universal in his focus

[strange sentinel]

Simaris seems like he gathers his data more professionally, and it's mostly pertaining to things that would help the Sanctuary

While Suda is trying to become google

[vale helm]

simaris is more like that kid that collects bugs to watch them fight each other

[viscid quarry]

Aka suda is bing and simaris is a digital zoo

[strange sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-im-something-of-a-scientist-myself-scientist-donald-kimball-gif-14910706

[manic iron]

hearing normal lotus voice again ... sounds weird

was half expectng to hear the gltich noise

[strange sentinel]

congrats on beating the new war

[sturdy turret]

is there anything on the pager?

its empty for me

[nova harness]

“Who stole my Kinepage”

[sturdy turret]

oh alr

[vale sorrel]

It's unused right now, but will probably be given a use in 1999, so don't leave it somewhere you'll lose it

[zenith jacinth]

Not exactly unused, it got updated

[vale sorrel]

Mostly unused, it's still just one message so far

[nova harness]

1 message is used

That's a little bit of the 2mb of data

[sour adder]

Oh, y’all seen the Kinepage updated?

[nova harness]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Nah

[timber moon]

What is that

The thing from lotus eaters?

[stone reef]

@warm anvil it says "who stole my kinepage"

[sour adder]

But like, how is Arthur saying that in the kinepage when we have it? Unless it’s just some time travel stuff

[stone reef]

i have no idea

[sour adder]

Also I like this new nightwave

All stalker themed and stuff

[timber moon]

Is there any site/video that show the new nightwave

[strange sentinel]

on youtube, search "warframe new nightwave"

[nova harness]

https://youtu.be/40MJkrI0F9w?si=YU4F5GeORU0ijTUy

[ripe owl]

I want to be able to reply, "It was me, Dio!"

[nova harness]

Watch the reply back be “Who is thee”

[plush swan]

Arthur is using something else to page his own pager.

Like calling your own phone to find it in your couch cushions

How it's reaching across time... IDK

[warm anvil]

in orokin?

[nova harness]

No

[weak zealot]

Does the Kinepage have a use?

[nova harness]

Its a working pager

[static wadi]

How long did the lotus have the kinepage for before the lotus eaters quest

[nova harness]

She didn't

She picked the one up off the floor

[static wadi]

Oh

I kinda skipped through the entire dialogue

[strange sentinel]

here my paradox, i found this for you

[warm anvil]

why

[tight pagoda]

The Orvius being called an "Enigma Disc" sound so cool

[north shore]

Who stole my kinepage

[supple dagger]

Can i have blue fortuna back? Its so ugly in orange (imo)

[amber terrace]

Sadly, once you complete New War, you can’t revert Fortuna to purple and pink, even if you use Creator Mode iirc

[nova harness]

Permanently, no
Temporarily, you can if you help a new player

[balmy storm]

We did

[north shore]

:boohoo:

Dammit my emote

[lapis kelp]

Emotes from outside are not allowed here

[supple dagger]

[solar monolith]

Is it just me or is someone getting a quest mark on their Orbiter that's leading to the kinepage?

[strange sentinel]

just you

[nova harness]

Yeah there’s a new message it’s DE giving you a subtle hint

[zenith jacinth]

As subtle as a brick to the face

[solemn elbow]

I just had a mad shower thought regarding Sorren's son.

We can name him Sirius or Orion, which would have been Jade or Sorren's choice respectively, right?

He's a baby Warframe, eventually he'll grow up and he should theoretically have powers of his own.

Imagine if DE released not one, but both Sirius and Orion as separate Warframes, two sides of the same coin. Sirius would be more of a support frame, whereas Orion would be more aggressive.

Also, depending on what name you picked in Jade Shadows, either Sirius or Orion will be present in the quest and subsequently rewarded from it. Then you'd have to farm the other frame.

Of course, that begs the question of how we'd have access to both Warframes, if they're the same being.

Eternalism, that's how.

[amber glade]

Ofc to both, people will complain endlesly if not

some still cry about ex prime lel

[nova harness]

If they ever show up again DE will probably just make it show the name you picked not being 2 of the same character

[amber glade]

Member Sun/Moon mechanic? Me neither

[solemn elbow]

It'd be an unfortunate waste of potential, but it's also a possibility nonetheless.

[nova harness]

Generally name choices are a one thing not a 2 whole people thing

[solemn elbow]

That's true, yeah. Look at Natah.

However, it doesn't mean that two Warframes shouldn't happen, especially when it has a canonical explanation.

Besides, even something as simple as a name can make a drastic difference.

[woeful patio]

Its my impression or fortuna is gradually going back to what it was?

Pretty pretty slowly but it looks like it

[zenith jacinth]

I haven't seen any differences

[native snow]

i do like pre war fortuna better

[nova harness]

Everyone does

[real niche]

They shot the "We All Lift" intro dude out back during TNW

[amber terrace]

Keith Powers? Pardon my confusion, I thought Keith Powers also did For Narmer?

[covert tree]

I'm fine with post nw fortuna as I don't go there enough to be upset or have an opinion

[zenith jacinth]

Old fortuna had an npc that you could speak to to replay the intro

[amber terrace]

At the start of The New War, I was ready to kill Ballas but I thought of it more as an obligation than a real want. Then I saw what that golden freak did to Fortuna, and then all bets were off, the gloves came off, it was time for a degree of violence

[amber terrace]

Ooh, yeah, that guy

[nova harness]

Does Cetus have an npc to replay theirs?

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think so

And unless they updated it even pre-nw fortuna doesn't have the npc now

[nova harness]

The guy should’ve done more pushing to still be alive

[zenith jacinth]

His debt was too much

[nova harness]

So when they run out of body parts to pay debt do they just kill the person

[zenith jacinth]

Brain shelving

[covert tree]

During new war I was upset but post is just normal with some changes

[nova harness]

I’m more upset Cetus tower still hasn’t been repaired

[covert tree]

They'll get to it

[rain otter]

brain shelving is apparently so like bad it makes you go crazy.

Tickers lover person literally forgot who he was and everything he used to know.

even after Ticker payed off his debt and got him out of brain shevling.

[slender rapids]

is it just me or is it so much harder to see into our railjacks reliquary drive now?

[strange sentinel]

just you

I think the only time we can actually see in it is when we first activated it

Otherwise it's just a cloud

[nova harness]

It’s always been hard to see the finger inside it

[solemn cloud]

It surprises me that the fandom doesn't call it the Thumb Drive.

[nova harness]

Isn’t it a copy of an index finger though?

[solemn cloud]

/j

😅

[nova harness]

Index drive

[solemn cloud]

That would be more true to what it is, certainly.

[regal summit]

is there anything about how the tenno canonically feel towards albrecht

like/dislike him that sort of thing

[nova harness]

Nah

But considering we was let into his family I’m sure we fine with I’m for now

[solemn cloud]

While nothing really confirms how we feel, either way so far - I think since we "saw" the Entity catch up with him in the version of the past we experienced, and that we got that message asking for our trust - we at least sympathize with him for now. I imagine we see Albrecht as something of a victim in all this - albeit also the cause. Or, maybe we just see that the danger is far beyond Albrecht and that it's more important to focus on the mission.

In a meta sense we could apply the same 3 choices to how we feel in the Sun/Moon scale and they'd all be valid.

Obligation to the Mission
Sympathy for Albrecht
Blame Albrecht

[scarlet basalt]

what is a kinepage ?

[teal galleon]

some kind of pager i'd assume, also cursed

[scarlet basalt]

I think it's just arthur's phone ?

Literally we just stole from him 😭

[solemn cloud]

Just the Warframe word for a pager. Warframe can't have normal terms for things 😎

[teal galleon]

given that the description says "from Kinemantik" it's more likely a branding thing

[nova harness]

Kinepager

[covert tree]

It's a phone but alot worse

[scarlet basalt]

It will be fun once 1999 drop i will drive Arthur to Railjack and say to him : "that's the most unplayed content"

[teal galleon]

wait it actually say Arthurs not albrechts, what?

[covert tree]

I'm gonna rizz the censored out of arther

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah for me it kinda make no sense bcz like : we took albretch's phone from lotus's hand not arthur's one ? Like we only answered on the call in 1999

Unless arthur's phone was here for unknown reason

[teal galleon]

I mean who knows what else Albrecht has in his vaults

[covert tree]

Don't me I'm gay

[scarlet basalt]

90's sitcom

[teal galleon]

and lesser horrors

[zenith jacinth]

(Maybe) same

[teal galleon]

aren't you playing AS Arthur in that Dating game irc?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[nova harness]

No you’ll be Drifter and can date all of the Hex

[zenith jacinth]

You only play as arthur for a small part at the start of the 1999 quest, after that it's all drifter

[teal galleon]

ah alright then

[nova harness]

Wasn’t it you play as Drifter controlling the Hex but Arhur for first mission?

[zenith jacinth]

And now I got that saved for future copy pasting since it has to be explained like once per week

[zenith jacinth]

I thubk it's just drifter

Wow. Thubk.

That could be a lich name

[nova harness]

Egg Thubk

[zenith jacinth]

Egg is best lich name

[nova harness]

Scrap can’t remember if you were there for it but remember when everyone was grammar police

[zenith jacinth]

I don't thubk I do

[nova harness]

I remember it

You should go through your old messages

Nowadays people don't do it

Well not much

[zenith jacinth]

I have so many messages here

[native snow]

bopp bipp

[stone reef]

english

which means that Arthur and the others speak english

and that orokin probably wasnt a thing at that time

[tight pagoda]

There is some sort of other text that we can see in all the posters in the Mall relay

Not the same Orokin font that we see in things like the random Margulis teasers for the Second Dream

[thick jolt]

Uses mostly the same key

Lots of people have translated it when the mall was open

[nova harness]

Still annoys me how we still see the SD teaser

Getting it after doing whatever quest was before TSD I would understand but once you do it and have seen it 30 times it gets annoying

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl, it wouldn't be surprising if DE try even more with helminth.
Since helminth is literally the scientist that change everything in you... I wouldn't be surprised if they try more ways to upgrade a warframe, unlike Archon shard who are specifically used for the niches need, there could be a use for Only one need, for example Health/armor/DR

[nova harness]

Invigorations

[scarlet basalt]

In comparison with archon shard who try their hardest to cather to everything despite having literally only 5 slot (and low amount of stats) 😭

They should give invigorations for every warframe at the same time fr, but well i should try it now that you said it lol

also strange that hema iirc is the only lifesteal gun ? (headshot replenish health iirc)

bcz like if Lifesteal could be a mod for gun it would kinda make sense, it would cost 1/8 mod slot so you need to choose wisely, if you want comfort or lifesteal ? (iirc we only have 6 mandatory mod in the end ?)

[solemn cloud]

Also every 10 invigorations, you get one week when you can choose a Warframe to invigorate.

I'm looking forward to spending a week with Styanax supercharged 😎

Eventually, anyway 😅

[tight pagoda]

Would be neat if the message changed to something else. Even better would be to have that appear BEFORE I HAVE ALREADY DONE THE QUEST

The same thing happened with the Natah instead of HoloLotus thing pre-New War. If I had known that was a thing I wouldn’t have rushed into the quest like that

[soft lotus]

w h a t (cavia r5)
what is this game bro
lmao

[tight pagoda]

Make him green now

[woeful patio]

a yes give me this damn fish i know someone on a specific village that will threat him perfectly.

[soft lotus]

sir yes sir

[soft lotus]

"the smell... is quite something..."

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[woeful patio]

Now give me. This will feed a whole family.

[soft lotus]

and the cousins too

tagfer looked terrible red, couldn't do it to him

[amber terrace]

Do we think Orokin society would have allowed Loid to take the Entrati last name? Especially given how I’m fairly certain Albrecht loved his Loid more than he loved Euleria’s mother?

[tight pagoda]

Prolly not

Not because of homophobia but classism

[obtuse gyro]

^

Not blue? Boohoo

[frosty tulip]

It's another paradox, we used it to go back in time, but then we pick it up from where Arthur is in the Mall to get back to the future

[vale helm]

i think he'd side with wally if he knew how many norgs get slaughtered by tenno

[woeful patio]

He called me biped.

[vale helm]

he's jealous u have legs

[woeful patio]

I took it personal >:c

[solemn cloud]

Even better - Albrecht made several trips to the past so it's possible that Albrecht stole Arthur's Kinepage multiple times now, before we ever stole it as well.

[shrewd sentinel]

Bird 3 called me Bird 4. My life is now complete.

[scarlet basalt]

I hope de will try more non mandatory mod but will fit niche aspect of building issue

[fiery kettle]

[soft lotus]

Same

[shrewd sentinel]

ok, so I get why Fortuna looks the way it does after TNW, and even some of the changes outside, but why is Orb Vallis itself so changed weather-wise? was there something explained in lore that I missed explaining why it is no longer the way it used to be

[nova harness]

Fortuna was changed before both Wars

Terraforming made it snowy

[shrewd sentinel]

I mean the dramatic change from before TNW to directly after finishing it. I understand pretty much all planets in the origin system have gone through some form of terraforming or other

Did the Sentients/Narmer accelerate somehow that terraforming?

[nova harness]

Doubt it

Sentients went back to kill people not terraform

Terraforming was done before the Old War

[zenith jacinth]

The coolant towers were made to work properly again

Post-new war vallis is closer to what it used to look like in orokin times

[nova harness]

Isn’t it almost exactly the same?

[zenith jacinth]

Most of the snow is gone

[nova harness]

Still wanna kick that Ballas statue into the Void

[sacred flint]

yea vallis is melted after new war

i kinda want the old one back

or at least more snow

[nova harness]

Buy some snow then

[sacred flint]

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-spongebob-sad-spongebob-crying-gif-21679826

[nova harness]

DE should’ve done a rebuilding the system event

[sacred flint]

trueee

[nova harness]

I want a repaired Unum

[tight pagoda]

Wonder if the Unum will ever get killed off

[zenith jacinth]

I want the fortuna intro guy back

[nova harness]

you can't kill Unum off she's hardly in the story to begin with

[shrewd sentinel]

AH! thank you

[sacred flint]

what is the fortuna intro guy?

[nova harness]

You could rewatch the Fortuna song

[sacred flint]

oh the guy to view the cinematic?

[tight pagoda]

Pre-New War, there was an NPC you could interact with that would replay the Fortuna 'We All Lift Together' intro cutscene

[zenith jacinth]

An npc that existed before tnw that you could interact with to replay the intro

[sacred flint]

ohhhh. wait that guy is gone?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[sacred flint]

damn

NOOOOO MY WHOLE DAY IS RUINED

[zenith jacinth]

Unless they fixed it, (which I doubt,) even new players don't have him

[nova harness]

I'm more sad they never added a Cetus guy

[sacred flint]

yea...

[zenith jacinth]

Cetus doesn't have a cool intro song

[sacred flint]

the cutscene is cool tough

[nova harness]

Yeah

[sacred flint]

it shows you the unum being eaten

alby it being a very small piece

very small

[shrewd sentinel]

I hope they expand on the Unum down the line

[zenith jacinth]

Next update likely will

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, "Fate" in the name + Cetus in the teaser almost guarantees it imo

[shrewd sentinel]

here's hoping

[sacred flint]

wait fate... does that mean more quills????

a quill inspired frame?

[zenith jacinth]

And/or unum

[tight pagoda]

No clue what Koumei's shtick is

[sacred flint]

i think 5

[zenith jacinth]

Protea

[sacred flint]

protea?

[zenith jacinth]

Time magics

[sacred flint]

oh

[tight pagoda]

Apparently they were said to be female, don't know where, but might've been in the DevShorts

[zenith jacinth]

Closest thing you can get to quills

[tight pagoda]

Baruuk gives a Quills vibe ngl

[sacred flint]

there is so much in cetus that we don't know man. such an underdeveloped region

[nova harness]

Cetus isn't that underdeveloped

It has tons of trading and stuff

[tight pagoda]

Underdevloped in terms of recent lore, plot, and relevance

[zenith jacinth]

We know everything there is to know about cetus, even some unimportant side info thanks to nakak

[nova harness]

The only real mystery in Cetus is the tower

[sacred flint]

what about the quills? why are they like why do they exist?

[zenith jacinth]

To make sure everything happens as it should

[tight pagoda]

My theory with the Unum is that the flesh that made her was derived from a Void-touched woman so something-something Eternalism gives her the powers, but there's probably something that refutes that

[nova harness]

Don't the quills guide the Tenno too?

[sacred flint]

isn't that like a very mysterious answer? like what do they follow? how does one become a quill? how big are they actually?

i am just interested into that

[zenith jacinth]

1. The predictions of the unun
2. By choice
3. Unknown and not important

Ah yes, the ününün

[tight pagoda]

The Unum somehow gives them the ability to see many different timelines, and they've gotten to the point where they no longer see the past, present or the future as one fixed thing. Their network is large enough to expand to Venus, at least

[sacred flint]

yea venus

[zenith jacinth]

The quills see eternalism

[sacred flint]

mmmh

idk man i am just so intrigued by them.

[nova harness]

Eternalism annoys me because everyone uses it wrong

[zenith jacinth]

The game used it wrong, which has lead to the community using it wrong

[sacred flint]

the game used it wrong?

[shrewd sentinel]

I see the Quills as a group who is trying to make a specific timeline / future happen. They have seen or experienced the others and know where they lead to.
Onko chose to remain hidden from his partner because he saw the other timelines/realities.
The Unum to me is sort of the center of the qhole Quills thing. It interfered during TNW to help the Tenno because it needed that specific outcome

(all speculation)

[zenith jacinth]

Warframe eternalism is pretty much fancy name multiverse

[tight pagoda]

The game basically described it as Schrodinger's Cat too

[zenith jacinth]

Real eternalism iirc is just "everything is now"

[sacred flint]

isn't eternalime just every possiblity is real and true and can be accessed theoratically?

[zenith jacinth]

That's warframe eternalism

[sacred flint]

it's not like an actual multiverse

[tight pagoda]

Except Warframe described the Schroedinger's cat thing by saying "Just because you know the outcome it doesn't mean the other outcome isn't also a thing"

[zenith jacinth]

That is actual multiverse

Every choice happens

Every choice creates a timeline where you chose a different thing, leading to a multiverse of split timelines

[sacred flint]

nah what i mean is either you have an actual multiverse, with physical universes side by side or you got what warframe has which is the material and the void of which every possibility has the same realness

[zenith jacinth]

"It's quite simple really"
-mumbo jumbo

[zenith jacinth]

The alternatives do exist physically

[nova harness]

I'm fine with DE changing it a little to fit with Void stuff but people thought it theoretically can be meant will be

[shrewd sentinel]

While I am sure it will also create a whole bunch of new questions, I feel that 1999 will clarify a lot of thigns about eternalism, at least in how it is with regards to Warframe.

But I am in the camp that I don't want every single question answered, there always being some mystery, specially if it is evolving, keeps things very interesting.

As long as it isn't 90% unplanned confusing for the sake of being confusing (i.e. Lost)

[tight pagoda]

I mean, isn't that exactly it?

[nova harness]

No can be theoretically and will be are different

[zenith jacinth]

The other realities are theoretically accessible

[shrewd sentinel]

The motion designer in me (along with my ADHD) wants to do a deep dive on the "timeline" (As chaotic as it is) of WF and make a cool video about it.
The part of me that is massively behind on work reminds me i need to get back to it and not keep adding additional crazy projects to that already massive list 😅

[tight pagoda]

It seems it's not a matter of "Could be" or "will be", but "are"

[zenith jacinth]

It's physically impossible to make a timeline because we don't know any years except 1999

[tight pagoda]

Well we still know order of events

[zenith jacinth]

The alternate realities exist. The alternate realities are not accessible. Anything that happens in the alternate realities is irrelevant.

[shrewd sentinel]

you can make one of what we know so far, as in, Orokin empire on to present, and illustrate a bit of the confusing mess, putting together all the random bits that are given

its ok for a timeline to have chunks of "and then something happened here"

[nova harness]

Universally true that there's a timeline where they both die and live but doesn't mean we will access it

[shrewd sentinel]

For example, the references to "the plague year of 1999" to me imply the WF universe exists in a totally different universe than ours from a timeline perspective. Events from even before 1999 are entirely different from ours in fairly dramatic ways

[strange sentinel]

Don't want it to end up like Destiny where every foundational mystery is solved and really the only theorizing you can do now is how the characters' relationships work

[shrewd sentinel]

there is a quote from Tolkien I think, i cant remember exactly, but it went something like there always needs to be a mountain in the distance that readers wonder about, that they want to reach but never can.
You can't solve every mystery, answer every question, tidy everythign up, because that in itself is entirely unrealistic, and simply, becomes boring. That's why I said that I want there always to be some mystery, always new questions being opened up by any that are closed.

[nova harness]

Destiny gave all the answers?

[shrewd sentinel]

All i know, is that if DE ever kills Bird 3, im burning the whole Origin system down and then uninstalling.

on that subject. I loved the whole Cavia line and man...the voice acting. But i haaaaaated the whole sand uncovering illustration schtick for the leveling intermissions. I so would have loved to see some in-engine cinematics for that.

[strange sentinel]

For the most part

They basically went "oh yeah you know every bad event ever? Those were all caused by this guy so you can stop asking now"

[nova harness]

Warframe has this same answer

All bad events in Warframe trace back to the Orokin

[shrewd sentinel]

FF to 2028 where it is revealed that the Unum is actually Minn, who after she was sucked out of the bell into the void, found herself in the past, and her new , void-given consciousness found a way to leave her dying form and inhabited the Orokin tower in Cetus. She helps the Tenno as she knew it was the only way to save Tagfer. DE, i'll dm you my address for the check.

[strange sentinel]

It started with that though

That's why I don't like where they're going with Albrecht

The only character your story should hinge that majorly upon is the main character

[nova harness]

Wally was possibly created by Albrecht

[strange sentinel]

Exactly

I don't like that

[shrewd sentinel]

I pretty much think that's 100% assured by now given what we know

but i guess there's always room for DE to throw a curveball in there

[strange sentinel]

He and his daughter wrote every relevant book, he might've created the big bad, he and his family invented every void thing ever, we've had two nearing three updates where him or his family are the focus

It's just too much

[nova harness]

I wonder what will be after the Void arc

[strange sentinel]

He's at least an alright character, unlike Destiny's hinge (the Witness)

[shrewd sentinel]

At some point in the future, I have a feeling we will make it to Tau, in some form or another

[tight pagoda]

I heard DE's written roughly the next 5 years of updates and there's no plans for Tau yet

[strange sentinel]

From who

[tight pagoda]

I remember seeing a Devshort talking about the Tau thing but I don't have a proper source outside of here and Reddit for the 5 years thing

[strange sentinel]

No Pastebin? ☹️

[shrewd sentinel]

The thing with WF is, they've created a universe with soooo many possibilities to expand into. This is one thing that always keeps me interested.
But as far as the 5 year thing: no long-term plan like that survives. Some of the recent additions surely went through a ton of evolution while they were being developed. Also positive that there's some master, overarching story thread they have kind of mapped, but I doubt it's set in stone for a couple of years, much less 5.'

and at the end of the day, DE is still a company looking to make a profit, which is understandable, they will react to trends and reactions to content that comes out.

I'm pretty sure that there was going to be far more Archwing and Necramech content, but they moved away from that based on the general reception those received initially.
(which is a shame, I think both could stand to gain sooooo much from some more love and fleshing out the mechanics)

[strange sentinel]

All they need to do is fix some of the jank and I'd like them more

[nova harness]

All we know is we aren't getting Tau in the foreseeable future

[prime lantern]

I mean yea that's how a conclusion to an arc should work

Like I should have the ending to a 10 year arc and be left with very few questions

Also I can literally blame ever issue to ever exist on ballas

[nova harness]

Infested on Deimos you cant

[zenith jacinth]

There's still a lot of unexplained stuff in dark souls lore

Would be funny if michael zaki actually forgot about the furtive pygmy...

[nova harness]

Scrap what do you think the Sentients would've thought if they had the chance to keep going deeper into Deimos?

[zenith jacinth]

Idk I don't understand sentient thoughts

Probably would've been terrified of the murmur

[nova harness]

Think they would've got thrown out by Murmur

[zenith jacinth]

Why do sentients appear in conjunction survival

[nova harness]

Hunting Space Mom maybe

[zenith jacinth]

Sometimes when I ask a lore question it sounds like a setup for a "why did the chicken cross the road" type joke

[nova harness]

I swear sometimes the Sentients weakness is Void kills them instantly or the Void only makes them sterile

Swaps a few times

[real niche]

The wording is it's "like poison to them"

[balmy storm]

Idk if they’ e necessarily written up the next 5 years but they do have a plan for the next 5 years
Iirc it was talked about on either the reddit ama or during tennocon?

[nova harness]

They probably have it on their whiteboard but not set in stone

Even Rebb admitted they didn't have much time to sort Lotus Eaters

[balmy storm]

Yeah, probably an outline for the next 5 years and they kinda tackle them as they come

I’m sure they have the main points of the void arc written out ofc, but iirc we dont know if the void arc is the next 5-4 years or not

[nova harness]

Bet it was like this
Void Arc
Labs
Jade and Stalker quest
Lotus labs thing
Unannounced update to announce
1999

[real niche]

That update being Komeui or however it's spelt?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Koumei and the five fates

[sacred flint]

Damn you seens the hotfix?

Saya’s vigil is updated to only being solo and only day time

Big W cause I have seen many new players getting rolled in that quest and being hella confused cause it was night and people were spawning.

[nova harness]

Wasn't it always solo?

When I tried to help my friend with it months ago it was solo

[signal ermine]

It scared the crap out of me

literally just logged in

First time I see that

[nova harness]

Thats the idea

But you should've seen him before

[zenith jacinth]

"Hey kiddo"

I haven't been visited by wally in a while

[sacred flint]

Idk it was in the patch notes. Or I might have read them wrong. But I have seen people having public in de saya’s quest

[signal ermine]

first time i see him in my ship

[prime lantern]

Hey why was the grey strain bomb on deimos detonated

[sacred flint]

Or I might be stupid

[zenith jacinth]

Sentients

[prime lantern]

And whomstve is responsible for them

[zenith jacinth]

Afaik unknown scientist

[nova harness]

Perintol and his stupid ideas

[sacred flint]

Citrine wanted to save her lovers so she farted the whole place

[prime lantern]

Ballas

[zenith jacinth]

Ah perintol

[prime lantern]

The entire crewman synthesis is that ballas conspired to get the sentients project approved

[zenith jacinth]

Peptobismol

[sacred flint]

wait are we talking about deimos fart or the sentients?

[prime lantern]

Every issue is ballases fault

[zenith jacinth]

But he didn't make them

[prime lantern]

Wally being funky guess who ripped a massive hole in space time attracting it's attention

[prime lantern]

That wasn't the question

[zenith jacinth]

The zariman stuff wasn't ballas' fault

[prime lantern]

The question was whomstve is responsible

[nova harness]

Ballas only made sure it got approveed

[sacred flint]

Ofc just when Wally has given up on invading our world Ballas had to say kiekeboo

[zenith jacinth]

He never gave up

[prime lantern]

What governing body would approve sending a definitely a military ship full of absolutely 0 children into the void

[zenith jacinth]

All of the seven

[prime lantern]

Which means ballas aswell so it is still partially his fault

[sacred flint]

i thought the computer said he was slowing down

[nova harness]

You can't put all the blame on Ballas for that one

[prime lantern]

Everything is ballases fault in the same way Everything is the witnesses fault in destiny

Everything eventually leads to it

[zenith jacinth]

Slowing down and giving up are different things

[prime lantern]

It's just a really really long road

[zenith jacinth]

Was probably looking for alternative strategies

[sacred flint]

yea but i was talking in a jokingly matter, thought that was obvious with ballas saying kiekeboo

[nova harness]

Albrecht casually going to the Void on his own with nobody caring or believing I'm his idea

[zenith jacinth]

You're albrecht's idea?

[sacred flint]

eyo?

[prime lantern]

I'd imagine the people he presented his ideas to the 7 like everyone else did

Probably in a much classier and rich manner

[nova harness]

Yes and they rejected it

[prime lantern]

But to the 7 nonetheless

[nova harness]

Most of the things in the game is the Orokins fault

But not Wally by Ballas

[sacred flint]

Ballas was just manipulating everyone. just like any politician is doing now a days. probably by making some deal here and there. but ultimaty the project eventually got approved. but you can't blame ballas for the old war cause he didn't actually know they were gonna become sentient

[obtuse gyro]

but if we draw the chain of culpability for the Old War, we end up with Ballas manipulating approval for the Sentients at the start of the chain

Ballas not doing that =/= no Old War

[prime lantern]

Perintol is rhulk ballas is the witness

[zenith jacinth]

Words are words

[sacred flint]

yea true

[prime lantern]

I disagree

[obtuse gyro]

is he responsible for the Sentients becoming Sentient? No. Is he responsible for creating the extremely niche opportunity for the Sentients to become Sentients? yes

[obtuse gyro]

but words are words. Which is why I can say things like

Skibidi ohio toilet rizz with a side of fanum tax for my level 10 gyatt

and watch all of you take 4d6 psychic damage

[prime lantern]

I'm immune

[sacred flint]

nah don't every say that again

[long rose]

same here

[zenith jacinth]

I'm immune to the damage but I get stunned for 2 turns instead

[sacred flint]

i am definitly not immune and i am currently melting away

[undone lodge]

Sigma Gangnam

[viscid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/flamethrower-protective-gear-burn-it-all-burn-it-to-the-ground-gif-17551547

[vale helm]

Ohio Skibid-AAAAAAAAAA

[strange sentinel]

Except it wasn't an arc

Not until a year ago when they said "this is actually all one big light vs dark SAGA"

[prime lantern]

It was literally always "light" vs "dark"

We guardians forces of light fighting a majority of time the forces of darkness

[strange sentinel]

That's what they say after the fact, but let's look at what this so called arc was

1. We fought robots and destroyed a dark heart. Sure, light vs dark
2. We fought a hive god, sure, light vs dark, but it was more about the hive than the darkness itself
3. Rise of Iron
4. Fought another hive god just because he was invading, nothing mainline to do with light and dark

Somewhere in there we put down a fallen house because it was rebelling

Next, we are invaded by rhinos and they take our light, with nothing to do with darkness

Then we fight robots again, then we fight the Hive again but it's focused on the Hive themselves again, not the darkness

[prime lantern]

The hive are

The hive are forces of "darkness"

[strange sentinel]

Then around Forsaken I'd say is when they really started doing Darkness things

[prime lantern]

Literally everything the hive do revolves around the ideology of John darkness aka the winnower

[strange sentinel]

Yeah and guess when we learned that

[prime lantern]

Shadowkeep is when the winnower got mentioned

[strange sentinel]

Yes

After Forsaken which is what I said

[prime lantern]

They were always doing darkness things because the hive are darkness

[strange sentinel]

My point is it clearly wasn't all part of a cohesive "saga" until only recently

[strange sentinel]

That shouldn't count, we weren't fighting them because they were doing darkness things, we were fighting them because they directly threatened the City

It wasn't until after Forsaken that they started saying "oh yeah they're actually led by the darkness guy and all this stuff was using a power called the darkness"

[prime lantern]

And say why would the hive be threatening the city did we
Take there lunch money
Call there mom a bad name
Exist
Call them booger eaters

We knew the hive have been using darkness since forever

[strange sentinel]

No, we knew they were using hive magic

"The darkness" in D1 wasn't a power

It wasn't a force

Our enemies were just under the blanket title of "the darkness", even the Fallen

Because they threatened to snuff us out

[zenith jacinth]

Where oorfram

[strange sentinel]

And this is why the Orokin are bad

They are evil people because um the uh

They

[prime lantern]

Oryx literally mentions the darkness in his book in ttk

[strange sentinel]

He says the deep

[prime lantern]

I don’t know where the Darkness-which-is-the-Deep came from, nor the Traveler that I hunt. But I will learn. I will learn.

[strange sentinel]

Look I didn't mean for this to turn into a thing, you are correct that by the end of an "arc" the majority of questions should be answered

[prime lantern]

He literally said this

[strange sentinel]

My point was that Destiny's thing clearly wasn't any sort of cohesive story until recently, and they answered the questions just by going "yeah it was this guy all along"

Every single calamity ever

[strange sentinel]

A single reference among an entire book talking about "the deep" and how it's kind of a person giving them power

Not calling the power itself the darkness

I gotta wipe, I don't want to argue anymore

[prime lantern]

The Darkness is a gift. Let my will set you free.
What you call Darkness is the end of your evolution
He says this in regicide

[obtuse gyro]

But you are armed to respond in kind. Savathûn’s mothers have listened carefully to our teachings. We will not give you the Deep, King Auryx — that power is for us, your gods. But we will teach you to call upon that force with signs and rituals.

Small minds might call it magic.
Late to the party but it was a force

The Darkness which is the Deep is indeed a power that the hive use, especially oryx around the DPS phases of King's Fall where Oryx specifically calls upon the Darkness

[strange sentinel]

Okay this has got to be a Savathun prank or something

I said exactly, it is not a power, it is not a force, it was just hive magic back then

Then the Book of Sorrows says in the exact same order the complete opposite 😭

She's real, Savathun is real

[obtuse gyro]

Im on the moon, its made of cheese

[strange sentinel]

Ok so yeah but that was mostly background stuff, you've got to agree with me that the darkness and all that was not really a focus

They just kind of did whatever in D1

And vanilla D2

[obtuse gyro]

I will agree that Destiny's story wasnt a thoroughly planned one from the start, however, their writers in the early days were really good with leaving threads to be picked up on in the future

and I mean really good

[strange sentinel]

I refuse to believe they've been planning this whole thing this whole time, because it's all mostly unrelated until recently when they say "oh yeah that was all related"

[obtuse gyro]

for instance, the entire exo backstory? that was from a D1 grimoire card about the exo

[strange sentinel]

Yeah, D1 excelled in that department

Mystery

[obtuse gyro]

the basic conceptual design of the pale heart? d1 grimoire card

The basic concept of the witness? d1 grimoire card

[obtuse gyro]

KIV "inverted earth"

[obtuse gyro]

KIV "giant in the cataract"

[strange sentinel]

There was something about a head of smoke too

[obtuse gyro]

KIV "someone wanted to live forever"

[strange sentinel]

Or a mountain of smoke

[sleek tangle]

Boiler chat

[lost summit]

anyone know if the drifter intrinsics will work in 1999?

[balmy storm]

No, we dont really know what the 1999 gameplay will be
If I had to guess though the intrinsics that apply to the Origin System will work in 1999 will likely be Warframe gameplay and not Duviri gameplay

Its kinda vital lore-wise that we have a frame, the Drifter would have a hard time surviving or doing anything otherwise so I personally do expect normal frame gameplay
Hopefully we’ll see some gameplay in a devstream after Koumei’s launch

[nova harness]

Think Loid knows there's 2 in one body?

[balmy storm]

Operator and Drifter?
Yeah

[nova harness]

We did launch into the Labs outside with both probably giving Loid a shock

[sleek tangle]

Nah if more i think it only hex standing since drifter’s is only in for dubiri

[tight pagoda]

There will probably be a few Drfiter intrinsics that will carry over, like how the health regen one does in Origin system gameplay

[scarlet basalt]

If 1999 is actually a win situation for us...
What will the indifference do ? I mean he has some people digging to deimos through other planets, it may hint to a cult for the murmurs (so wally) ? Maybe they could really go on a terrain that will be weird but could work, with ennemies that are like cultists,etc... from WH40k 🤔 ?

Because not gonna lie, since we know that Thraxx are likely some kind of old grineer,dax,etc...
It wouldn't be far fetched to think that wally would try something like it ? Like units told from the leverian like myrmidon,etc... (if wally... which i guess know the existence of it)

[tight pagoda]

Another question is why 1999 (or more likely, midnight, January 1st, 2000) is such an important time for the Indifference.

[tardy knot]

theres a lot of assumption there.

but the indifference is the man in the wall, same thing different names. and eternalism would dictate that the pathways between planets and realisties already exist and dont exist simultaneously across multiple realities and timelines.

despite the murmurs, we assume that the indifference is "bad", despite being called indifference, its equally likely that the entity is both amused, confused, and conflicted with the human conflicts and encroachments into the void.

given what we know about the orokin and entrati, its far more likely that albrect is infact the antagonist to be concerned with.

[obtuse gyro]

we assume that the indifference is "bad", despite being called indifference
Being called the Indifference doesnt change that what its done so far to the people around it can easily be described as "bad"

hell, tagfer specifically points out the absurdity of the name

[tardy knot]

if you go into someone elses house, play with thier things and then they kick you out and you get hurt, whos the bad one?

[obtuse gyro]

The Murmur… the 'Great Indifference'. It doesn't seem so indifferent to me. Seems to me it knows exactly what it wants."

[tardy knot]

yes lets trust the opinions of psychologically and genetically altered experiments thrown into a void test at the behest of an a-moral scientist.

[strange sentinel]

It wants what it is owed. I wonder what it wants from Entrati?

[strange sentinel]

We see ourselves that it clearly isn't "indifferent"

[obtuse gyro]

if you going through a tunnel, and then your car breaks down, and then someone comes and drives your parents mad, puts a gun in your hands and tells you "good luck", who's the bad one?

[tardy knot]

not the tunnel

[strange sentinel]

The locust I ran over isn't evil that's for sure

Good riddance at that

[obtuse gyro]

Wally made the cavia smart enough to understand him, I would think they have some basal insight that is of note

[strange sentinel]

This is like those people discounting Rell

[tardy knot]

you assume it wasnt an act of pity after how many had died prior or an act to understand these creatures from its position. theres more than one variable to present a different point of view.

[strange sentinel]

Despite him dedicating his life to understanding the Void and containing Wally

[strange sentinel]

So even then it wouldn't be indifferent

[obtuse gyro]

You assume tha it was.

Based on Dante's leverian, this move wasnt to give the cavia a "better existence" it was so someone could understand wally.

It teaches to be known. To be known is to exist. To exist is to survive

[tardy knot]

i never said i did, i just said theres more than one variable, they arent all mutually exclusive

i can not care about something but still decide not to kill it.

[prime lantern]

He is actively attempting to assault to physical reality

[tardy knot]

i dont go out of my way to step on ants or not step on ants

[prime lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/oryx-the-taken-king-gif-25284412

[obtuse gyro]

You dont look like you dont care if your move was to enter the bell and make animals smart enough to understand you

[prime lantern]

Is he evil?

[strange sentinel]

He was a good guy

[obtuse gyro]

But wally specifically went out his way to make the cavia smart

[strange sentinel]

All as one

[obtuse gyro]

Wally specifically went out his way to 1) drive your parents mad 2) give you the tools to kill your parents

[strange sentinel]

If 343i really wants a spartan story they should look to Warframe to see how to write a main character

The whole story basically entirely revolves around us and the consequences of our single action

[tardy knot]

if youre a cosmic entity without human emotions or intelligence, and then upon first meeting beings like albrect or the zariman crew, with fear and anger, etc, thats what you reflect. you cant assume its some intentional act of malice

[prime lantern]

Does this then make any and all cosmic entities incapable of evil?

Is your argument evil is based on intentions rather than action

[tardy knot]

my argument, if anything, is not everything is binary, and that you cant just reduce an unknown to a single variable.

[strange sentinel]

The Zariman crew was trained to not express deep emotions in the Void

[prime lantern]

Wally being evil is a very open and shut case

[obtuse gyro]

I cant assume its some intentional act? What kind of reflection is "Ill drive you all mad save for the children and then Ill arm the children"?

So when wally shows up in duviri and makes multiple child clones of everyone in the classroom, Im to take it as unintentional?

[strange sentinel]

Why didn't the Drifter CE his parents back instead of conjuring a throne world

[prime lantern]

Mind you all of the arguments you've made could also be applied to oryx to make him not evil

[strange sentinel]

I guess cowboy roleplay would be more important to a stranded child than his parents are

[prime lantern]

Oryx however is incredibly evil

But he is a cosmic entity and God of wisdom and really he was just acting in defense of his child when he came here with the intent to save all living beings in sol from suffering

By killing them

[strange sentinel]

Ballas just wanted peace too man

The Narmer cult was a good idea

[obtuse gyro]

Its not our fault his kid made a stronghold on our moon and was a major threat to us. We should have just coexisted

[glass sun]

ouh my ~

oh crap

imma hold my cross now

[solemn cloud]

Key kiddo.

[fickle estuary]

Is the Lotus that broke that she had to steal Arthurs phone instead of buying an new one 😭 😭

[solemn cloud]

She wanted a secret phone for exchanging secret messages.

[scarlet basalt]

Lemme break it down on why I says that :
As we know for some reason duviri was with daxes and grineers who look like the originals (?) as they're taller stronger,etc... And those units are here because of drifter creating duviri so he likely knew that those exists
Wally is known to have ?from whispers in the walls transmission) some kind of... Cultist who are trying to dig to Deimos which I guess could start a true cult ? (Well Warframe seems to have a lot of cult tbf so idk if they really are going that route)
The void can somehow touch the cephalons. So can we think that somehow drusus could have been touched by the void (we know that CY somehow can be touched by the void from reliquary drive, which should be impossible) which report lore from ivara (myrmidon), styanax (leviathan),etc... ?
I feel like it's fair assumption to have, like to understand what the indifference can do as DE could give us a lot of info and we connect the dot to potential danger ?

Also ofc drusus was maybe affected by the void while Dante was fighting

[nova harness]

The Grineer and Dax in Duviri aren't the originals
Wally doesn't have a cult he just found some miners and took control of their body

[scarlet basalt]

Man thought that digging would allow him to reach Deimos 😭😭😭

[nova harness]

It wouldn't

It at best would've failed somewhere down the line

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl I'm kinda hyped to see after 1999 bcz it will surely be a win, but then it won't stop the indifference

Bcz only a part of the kallymos sequence will be done iirc

[main panther]

We getting what type of frame in autumn?

The logo looks very asianish and Chinese

[tardy knot]

Ok I don't wanna go into a long thing about the moral subjectivity of good and evil paradigms again..s
Lemme just say this. if you take the time to play all the quests. Collect collectables and go through the in-game lore. Either in order or retro-ordered. The import thing to remember is that when it comes to the entity it first contact with humans as far as we know was Albrecht..who is not a good person. And it became a reflection of him, where we got the reliquaries from the severed fingers, which of course have properties of quantum void entanglement resulting in a domino effect towards everything else. The void is a place where thought and consciousness transcends physics and manifests into reality.

So if you're into philosophy and science fiction great. If you're into simple dichotomy of good vs evil...uh good luck making sense of metaphors and metaphysics. 🤣

[fickle estuary]

Idea on how to troll Wally

1. Get enough Nullifier corpses to make an replica of one of Saturns Rings
2. Put it around the Zariman
   1/3 void holes sealed
3. Put another one around the regular void rift thing
   2/3 void holes sealed
4. Get an giant ball of Nullifier corpses and put them in the Sanctum
   3/3 void holes sealed
   Well boys we did it, the Murmur is no more

[fickle estuary]

I am assuming Samurai since there is an bunch of cherry blossoms in the teaser image iirc

[zenith jacinth]

A warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Samurai would be hard to do with gara's visual design already being based on that and excal taking all the sword stuff

[tardy knot]

I think the best way to "defeat" the entity is to defeat Albrecht. I think that's probably the entity's goal (unpopular opinion).
Not domination. But rather a response to a perceived threat outside the context of time.

I think if the entity is a reflection created by those who intersect the void there is largely trauma involved.. but the seed being Albrecht than in some way potentially self-hatred might exist.

To quite a scanner darkly

“Any given man sees only a tiny portion of the total truth, and very often, in fact almost ... perpetually, he deliberately deceives himself about that little precious fragment as well.”

[tardy knot]

Koumei and the 5

[zenith jacinth]

I think you accidentally copy pasted the first half of the message there

[tardy knot]

Yeah discord got weird cause I wrote the name of the author Philip k d... Which apparently is banned word on this channel.

[glass sun]

ouh my~

[tardy knot]

I totally forgot about that skin.. gunna have to check my lotus helm.

Might be time for a change

[scarlet basalt]

We will have more wacky ennemies line the murmur I get it

[obtuse gyro]

Funny enough despite our differences on if wally can be considered evil (which he should be given his arguably disproportionate response), I agree that Wally's goal is albrecht. Not because of a perceived threat but because it is the next step in creating/defining a self, something wally does not have because he's scrolling human minds.

Blah blah blah Intersubjective Theory by Benjamin, killing albrecht is necessary in order to separate wally from albrecht, since albrecht is already concerned that his own machines cant tell the two of them apart

[tardy knot]

I mean.. a scanner darkly right?

"if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I myself do, then we are cursed, cursed again and like we have been continually, and we’ll wind up dead this way, knowing very little and getting that little fragment wrong too.”

Though I'm not sure it's disproportionate or evil necessarily rather than a calculated or even a measured response given the continuous multiple incursions to the void by multiple factions. I think it might in fact be more akin to white blood cells grouping up attacking viral cells.. But this is all subjective really. We can't even assume that the entity has a single consciousness or construct other than the ones we perceive in game as machinations or expository devices through DEs creative lens.

I do think it is fascinating none the less.. obviously. And can't wait for the next chapter.

1999 😅...🤔 I wonder if we will have to connect on "hi-speed dial up"🤣

[scarlet basalt]

y'all know how powerful songs are in warframe like soprana,lotus,Luscinia
We will sing a lullaby to wally fr

[strange sentinel]

I mean we nearly kissed him last time

[scarlet basalt]

what

oh... You're right, kinda

[nova harness]

https://youtu.be/raXAWBCRYQA?si=S8uycCE-29fgvxKJ Have you watched this interview yet? It gives info on 1999

[scarlet basalt]

more than 2h30 quests we won 🙏

The monster & pizza bike sounds peak

[nova harness]

Moms about to get eaten again isn't she

[strange sentinel]

Oh, that Lotus 😂😂😂😂always with the being kidnapped and consumed 😂

Gets me every time 😂😂

😂

[scarlet basalt]

Arthur shouting to Amir & quinn to find albretch while they're drifting with their atomicycle

[obtuse gyro]

I understand your perspective, however I do believe with what we know in the game we're not seeing a white cell response.

I'll give a more detailed answer when Im more free but in sum:

We've gone past the land of shark attacks and are deep into the land of shark financial advisors

[obtuse gyro]

And regarding to FA if youre of a certain SEAsian nation, you know just what kind of FA im talking about

[tardy knot]

Keep in mind that your analogy in and of itself is one propagated by humans to justify shark hunting and has become part of the English lexicon itself through misrepresentation as shark attacks are extremely rare and if not almost always provoked.

In any conflict there is room for negotiation. Most just struggle to find the middle ground. Stating the obvious, the tenno are the middle ground.

[obtuse gyro]

Oh Im entirely aware about the misunderstanding about sharks. The choice was intentional. Mind you wally attacks and sightings in truth are extremely rare for the amount of "incursions". Much like how shark attacks are actually not all that Jaws made them out to be

[nova harness]

What have I returned to?

Why we talking about sharks?

[tardy knot]

I think the most telling part of the entity's "personality" is done with two words.

[obtuse gyro]

"Little sh-"

Oh yea that

[tardy knot]

Because sharks are misunderstood

[nova harness]

But Warframe so far doesn't have sharks

[tardy knot]

to paraphrase Bau, ☝ shark

Wallshark ?🤔🥱

[nova harness]

Man in the shark

[north trail]

the great sharkdifference

[dreamy mountain]

still want to know what this metalic part is...

[strange sentinel]

Dude

Warframe helmets don't mean anything, they don't even have mouths

Enough about this, or you're probably going to get booted

If you feel that strongly about it you could just not play as her

[native snow]

what warframe is that

[strange sentinel]

Jade

For context he was making a big deal about that in general and was told to stop

[tardy knot]

Iirc the concept for the alt helm? It's just a loose design reference to some character from...uh .. Kimetsu No Yaiba . But if you need a practical function...ummm.. air filter. Spit filter. The original designed it to shut her up. Feel free to be imaginative.

[tardy knot]

Doesnt grendel have a mouth though?

Tummy mouth?

*Also a design reference from gluttony from Fullmetal alchemist iirc?

[strange sentinel]

You know full well I wasn't counting him

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-growl-grr-mad-angry-gif-4765534

[tardy knot]

I don't reallt think a pumpkin counts as a mouth anyways. It's more like a beartrap with a vaccun.

In any case DE is known for and avidly expresses in Livestreams that they are anime fans and game fans and often take design and other cues from things they like. Sometimes more subtly than others . They don't always have to have deep lore or cannon meanings.. im

sure if you look hard enough you can find they've probably already responded to someone about how X is based on Y from Z in some forum or devstream at one point or another..

[soft pumice]

Will we get more narmer related stuff to do besides the things, khall, bounty's?

[balmy storm]

Probably at some point but the current focus of the devs is the main story, which is the void arc
And narmer has no place in this arc atm

[soft pumice]

Well yaa after the important story is done cooking but I just don't want them forgotten considering how "impactful" they were to that entire sol system with their remnants still being an active dangerous threat.

[nova harness]

If you want more Narmer stuff go Swiming in Fortuna

[obtuse gyro]

there is a reason DE put a narmer drone on the 3rd orb mother

[soft pumice]

I went swimming underneath that orb mother in the lake with the narmer drone orbiting it, didn't expect to have the underside of that orb even fully modeled but DE has impressed me yet again

I guess I mostly want new narmer themed gear and loot.

[strange sentinel]

Calling it now

Five Fates will have a mission where we fight Narmer and learn what they've been up to from a narrator as we raid one of their vaults or something for something more important

if im wrong you can eat my cat

[nova harness]

Get your cat ready then

[soft pumice]

It best be smeet

[strange sentinel]

I got my dog and my cat seasoned already

1999 will be their year 🙏 🙏

[soft pumice]

So who are you going to try and romance first in 1999

[strange sentinel]

a woman

I got no clue what any of them are called

[soft pumice]

I'm going for the nyx one

[strange sentinel]

I know Arthur

Actually I might not do anyone

My Drifter will be alone forever

[dusky remnant]

raise your hand if your going for major Rusalka 🙋‍♂️

[fierce summit]

Eleanor gang Eleanor gang

[dusky remnant]

fr

DE cooked

[strange sentinel]

Oh neat

[soft pumice]

Nyx has been one of my favorite frames for over 12 years now

[fierce summit]

My brother mains her. He has dedicated himself to trying to make Mind Control work

[strange sentinel]

Why do they keep using Ember's idle for everything 😭

[dusky remnant]

they know what the fans want

[fierce summit]

Close to A-pose / open stance so it shows everything well?

[strange sentinel]

you could call it an open stance

[soft pumice]

Iv been a nekros main for years nyx was my first taste at ai manipulation and for that she holds a spot. I made her into a good sniper support for steel path in recent times.

[balmy storm]

lmao he got a new butt

[strange sentinel]

LOL I didn't even notice that

[balmy storm]

Also Eleanor gang
I made Nyx good specifically for her

Assimilate is my new favorite augment

[native snow]

on-lyne

[river tangle]

Im way too excited for 1999

[native snow]

same

[river tangle]

I really like the vibes and maybe the story might be cool

[native snow]

i'm genuinely tweaking

[river tangle]

Sameeee im like counting the days

[soft pumice]

I hope we can convert the infested liches and have them singing in the helminths room

[river tangle]

Lol