spoiler-chat

[ember mulch]

Ordis please just get me my cold weapons, even cryotic will do, this is too fire

[weak sparrow]

The ost already oml

[ember mulch]

ORDIS ITS REACHING THE OPERATOR ROOM WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[weak sparrow]

Imma start it now but the music is already MMMM

[ember mulch]

The quest menu is 3d too

[nova harness]

This might be the first time in ages an update on Xbox didn’t break

I got a second log in reward

[ember mulch]

Im going to start the quest right now

god the music is too good and too fitting

[wispy jasper]

Well. That was brief.

[ember mulch]

Feels like im going to explode from joy
10

[sullen pagoda]

So… what was that?

[proven grove]

Bro just chills here now

[ember mulch]

oh its over

[nova harness]

It was only meant to be short

[ember mulch]

i kinda expected to kill something though

way too conditioned to do that by this game

[proven grove]

How does this exactly set up 1999? It’s just the drifter wandering around

[wispy jasper]

Biggest development is operator knowing the pain of having a mom addicted to social media

[proven grove]

[ember mulch]

ig it implies that drifter is meant to be the one to go to 1999 and not operator

space mom get off the phone

[nova harness]

Can you even go to 1999 as Operator in this quest?

[proven grove]

Probably cause relationships with a child would be weird

[ember mulch]

i think if operator was sent, wally would intervene somehow and mess it up

[wispy jasper]

Interesting to see both avatars interacting in the same sequence again, and with different character functions

[proven grove]

Works for me. My drifter looks significantly better than my operator

[nova harness]

How does this have any connection to Lotus Eaters at all?

[ember mulch]

where is the lotus eating

[proven grove]

I think it’s literally just setting up who goes where

[wispy jasper]

Glad I updated both my operator and drifter aesthetic before hand so I didn't have just a couple of clowns talking Lotus down from the edge

[ember mulch]

the real lotus eaters were the internet places we saw along the way

[proven grove]

Oh loid has new voice lines

[nova harness]

Lotus better be careful Wally might start pushing people

[nova harness]

I don’t see any new Loid lines wdym

[weak sparrow]

oop wrong chat

[proven grove]

Maybe I just haven’t spoken to him in a bit, but I’m hearing new lines

[nova harness]

He got new lines with Dante Unbound

[proven grove]

Yeah yeah I heard those. I’m hearing new ones now.

Stuff about tagfer, being half zookeeper half shopkeeper, etc

[ember mulch]

Do none of them say anything about the lotus being... there?

How did lotus get there anyways

[halcyon crag]

Anyone happen to have the base stats for Sev Prime? Wanna know what changed

[narrow mural]

So I'm guessing Lotus Eaters is showing how the Drifter is going to back in the past, through the radio the Lotus is holding?

[nova harness]

How can Lotus even be in the labs with her alergicness

[ember mulch]

what if that lotus was another wally clone
janus key help us with this

i wanna know how the lotus looks like in the labs with the sentient skins

[nova harness]

If Wally has made a Lotus clone I’m banning him from Warframe

I say that then she pushes me off the edge wtf

[jagged sable]

Arhur's Kinepage can actually be interacted with in the orbiter.
I got a hunch that when it gets closer to 1999's launch, we'll get a message on it.

[umbral matrix]

I can never take quests seriously anymore man.

[proven grove]

Bro

[umbral matrix]

I did the operator as a bit once and forgot about it for years.

[nova harness]

Why does Lotus look like she is doing her makeup?

[north hamlet]

That is some funky phone call

[cedar robin]

So they are confirmed to be two different people

Why are they clowns

[ember mulch]

If we go to 1999 do you think lotus would call us across dimensions or would she facetime us or something similar

[nova harness]

It’s been confirmed since New War lol

[cedar robin]

No?

[nova harness]

Yes

[cedar robin]

No, it never explicitly said we shared a universe with them

[nova harness]

Yeah but it was always 2 separate people and confirmed as such

[cedar robin]

But it was never confirmed we shared a universe with them

Bro why are you arguing with me

[nova harness]

AotZ also confirmed they share a body

[cedar robin]

What? When did it confirm that

[nova harness]

We've both been gifted a second chance. I perceive two Void silhouettes within you. Do you wonder which is the real one?"

[nova harness]

The door got opened after the Whispers quest and she heard the song is my guess

Bruh why has Arthur left me on red?

[wispy jasper]

New Lotus idle lines. Witnessed on 2 dialogue rotations with her. May not be comprehensive:

"I kept vigil while you slept through the dark centuries. I can do it again"
"I will not let it devour one instant of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light"
"It is hungry, Tenno. And I...am a distraction"
"Within this shell the three of us entwine. We forge a new strength"
"Lua. The miracle. Do you understand what it cost?"
"I will guide you, as I always have"
"You know what it gave. But what did you promise it in return?"
"The system is changing. We are changing. If I become something you do not recognize, do not mourn"
"I was the Daughter. I became the Mother. In time I shall be the Witch, blind once again, empty of all but wisdom"
"Lotus. Margulis. Natah. We live...we rise...we endure"

[nova harness]

How can Lotus handle being by the Void

[main panther]

Did we just call Albrecht back to 1999?

That's some strong signal connection then for a very old phone lol

[nova harness]

He is already in 1999

[main panther]

Yea ik but how did she call him 💀

[nova harness]

The pager

[main panther]

What

[wispy jasper]

Sentients don't instantly evaporate in the Void and I guess Sanctum is kind of a liminal space. Maybe places with more stabilized concepts are less volatile? Maybe equivalent to long form camping outdoors for us?

[main panther]

Weird how "behind" or "bellow" Deimos is just another dimension

Well Void but u know what I mean

[shell geode]

So Sev's #4 no longer has the change of music apparently

[main panther]

There was a change of music?

[shell geode]

his non-prime version has some change of music similar to during his quest line

[nova harness]

A pager, also known as a beeper or bleeper, is a wireless telecommunications device that receives and displays alphanumeric or voice messages. One-way pagers can only receive messages, while response pagers and two-way pagers can also acknowledge, reply to, and originate messages using an internal transmitter.

[main panther]

Didn't know

[main panther]

Oh ok

[terse gyro]

Interesting. When you walk up to Lotus in the Sanctum after the quest, she has a few lines of dialogue. One of which is "Lue. The miracle. Do you understand what it cost?"

Did she also make a deal with Wally, I wonder?

[nova harness]

Probably not

[terse gyro]

"It is hungry, Tenno. And I am a distraction."

[thick jolt]

Its the deluxe not his base skin or prime

[north hamlet]

Who knew the power of time travel was inside a little Nokia

[valid jolt]

1999 not CE confirmed?

[nova harness]

Pager

[valid jolt]

Loid just calls it a perilous time

[thick jolt]

Good old days when nokias were indestructible

[terse gyro]

CE?

[valid jolt]

Conceptual Embodiment

It’s how Duviri was made

[nova harness]

It’s how I’ll kill Wally

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, not really? Cuz Khra means time

A Strand of Khra is literally just "Strand of Time"

[heavy pollen]

That quest was like walking to the front of my orbiter to the back

[valid jolt]

Also this shot is cool

[terse gyro]

It is just a prologue. Apostasy is not any longer and DE was transparent with this.

[heavy pollen]

Ima do that too

[heavy pollen]

I appreciate it tho

[terse gyro]

Yeah, it's nice.

[heavy pollen]

So now the drifter can go to 1999

[terse gyro]

These lines are very interesting.
"I will not let It devour one instance of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light."
"It is hungry, Tenno. And I am a distraction."

Could this be why the Man in the Wall is so interested in us? Does it want to feed off of our negative emotions, our pain and sorrow? Is this why it is repelled by positive emotions like love, like it was at the end of "Whispers in the Walls"?

[heavy pollen]

Wow

[obtuse gyro]

the opposite of Love is Indifference after all

[valid jolt]

I wonder if those lines are different depending on what personality you chose for Lotus/Marg/Natah

[jovial socket]

Fellas, is it just me or does yall hwve the same situation

[terse gyro]

After everything the Tenno have gone through, I can imagine they would be a tasty meal for an emotion eater. Maybe the Void powers it gave us are just to add flavor.

[jovial socket]

I cant hear drifter operator and lotus's sound

And nor can hear them speak

[terse gyro]

I doubt it, because she also has a line addressing her three identities.

[valid jolt]

True

[terse gyro]

Did you turn off speech volume in the options?

[obtuse gyro]

did you turn down the character voice settings in the audio settings?

[jovial socket]

No, and also i cant see the subtitles

[terse gyro]

Not sure if it's "speech" or "transmissions"

[jovial socket]

Never did tbh

Lemme do a quick restart

[terse gyro]

Restart your game, maybe

Yeah

[jovial socket]

Aaaaand it works now

[terse gyro]

Sweet

[jovial socket]

And my drifter's gone when answering the call-

guess ill just sleep, close to 1 am for me now

[nova harness]

Did this quest bring any new weapons?

[ember mulch]

only item the quest gave us was arthur's phone as decor

No new weapons excluding epitaph prime from sev prime

[thick jolt]

Swiped the poor guy's phone

[ember mulch]

2 mb storage is such amazing and revolutionary stuff

[terse gyro]

Pretty nuts to think about how far we've come with our technology.

The first computers took up entire rooms and could only do basic calculus.

[ember mulch]

Dont forget how big one bit used to be

[obtuse gyro]

your phone has more computing power than the computer used to put people on the moon

[valid jolt]

Crazy

[cunning estuary]

this shot goes so hard

[valid jolt]

Ikr

[nocturne kiln]

Rap

tap

also, mfw you cant replay the quest to get the screenshot

[terse gyro]

You can never replay quests on launch day. That usually gets added a week or a month later.

[nocturne kiln]

Bleh

[terse gyro]

What are you tapping here?

[nocturne kiln]

wdym?

[terse gyro]

The "tap" prompt. Is there a new Wally interaction I don't know about or is Nihil just out of view?

[wispy jasper]

Should get on making a family photo outfit set for when they do get the replay functionality in

[lost plume]

Have we always been able to see Wall-e (version at the end of The New War) at the Edge of the Sanctum Anatomica when looking up?

[golden pelican]

Nihil 's Oubliette?

[terse gyro]

Yes

[nocturne kiln]

Nah, its the ticker floof

[terse gyro]

Oh okay. Didn't know that has an interaction

@lost plume You can also see Wally's vitruvian man shadow if you look down into the abyss.

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, ticker says random messages of encouragement through his floof

[terse gyro]

Aww. That's sweet

*her

[lost plume]

Aye, the bit between the actual Sanctum and the edge.

[terse gyro]

Ticker is a she

[terse gyro]

Honestly such a small, yet ominous effect.

[lost plume]

It is. I love it when they have these kind of details in the game if you look for them.

[rain otter]

she like Slender said. ticker is even a trans woman as DE has said.

[nocturne kiln]

Im gonna be honest, its a videogame character. I really dont care. I really dont want people @ ing me over this

please dont ping me about it

[thick jolt]

Ticker is a she and you deserve this ping

[frail meadow]

WHAT?! Kaeli now has an earphone and she's listening to Party of your Lifetime when you speak to her?!

[thick jolt]

She always had the earphones but the song is new lol

[frail meadow]

Yeah, I expected that she always had it but It has to be where the music comes from now right?

[thick jolt]

Yup

Took me quite a while to notice she had earphones

Think it wasnt until the second narberus in deimos that i noticed

[frail meadow]

I love her Naberus gear. All the glass shards and everything.

It reminds me how much of a precious light she is to her family, specially with how Kermerros talks about her.

Anyway, seems fitting she's the one who would stan OnLyne lol

Omg is she Rebecca F.?

[thick jolt]

Lol

[terse gyro]

I remember someone on the Party Of Your Lifetime Youtube video commented "Daughter is 100% going to ask us for an autograph when we get to 1999".

Now I wonder if they'll be right.

[frail meadow]

Oh, 100% now lol

[gritty flume]

like daughter is a typical fangirl towards boybands

[terse gyro]

Wait, does that mean Daughter is now extremely early foreshadowing for 1999 and the Technocyte Coda?

[gritty flume]

in which she'll ask tennyo to find that one boyband related stuff for her like some on-lyne merch

[undone lodge]

Every time you go up to her you have a 7% chance of seeing an Onlyne poster sticking out of her infestation flower thing

[terse gyro]

Like, does she listen to that song even if you just finished Heart of Deimos?

[nova harness]

Does Daughter have new lines?

[thick jolt]

Maybe

[terse gyro]

Sadly, she does not

[gritty flume]

if only

[frail meadow]

She got new lines twice. Meanwhile, Son is the only one that I cannot think if he ever did.

But right now, no. If she does it might be for some extra thing to do with the Coda in 1999

[tawdry socket]

Very happy to see both Op and Drif in the same place at the same time, it's very cool and the split dialogue options was very cool

[thick jolt]

Yup

[frail meadow]

Oh yeah! It was awesome. And it shows off how they are different characters even if gameplay-wise they can be interchangeable

[tawdry socket]

especially after me saying it would be cool and others here saying it was impossible nyehehe

[frail meadow]

Hahaha petty vindication

[tawdry socket]

My favourite

[frail meadow]

The Operator and Drifter have to be different characters. One lived all it's life with a loving mother and one didn't. The choices are very telling of that

[zenith jacinth]

They're the same person from different timelines

[frail meadow]

Yeah but they are in fact two different people. Like narratively, you wouldn't call them "the same character"

[nocturne kiln]

Drifter: "That would be a lot easier to understand, wouldn't it?"

They are and are not. a paradox

twins yet not

Also, its interesting that she calls the operator my child but the drifter "My champion"

[nova harness]

She says wake up Tenno in DP

[nocturne kiln]

Thats not what I mean

Theres an implicit difference in how she refers to each

[nova harness]

Her calling Drifter champion does make sense as he did get 2 out of 3 of the shards

Even without a Warframe

[cedar robin]

Frrr

[ember mulch]

Gotta cut our(other)selves some slack

[whole blaze]

i was kinda hoping for more other than just a few lines of dialogue and walking through somewhere we've already seen

[ember mulch]

Seeing kalymos (barely) interact with us was nice though

Very perceptive cat

[uncut ocean]

I love that the Drifter is the Lotus' champion, it's such a cool name for them.

[nova harness]

And it makes perfect sense

He saved her and got 2/3 shards without a frame

[ember mulch]

Our drifter's feats are just that good

dont forget how fast we learn to use frames and their weapons

[uncut ocean]

It also kind of calls back to Drifter's time in Duviri, where society's very greco-roman. Being a champion seems pretty common place there

[ember mulch]

We're both the king and the legendary vagrant

[nova harness]

Drifter is the hero of Duviri

[cedar robin]

In 1999, will we play as drifter or operator?

[ember mulch]

Drifter most likely bc of the dating

[cedar robin]

Cuz when I did the quest I went into the phone as drifter

[ember mulch]

The quest kinda implies that operator shouldnt be the one to go

[cedar robin]

Imagine playing as drifter and having the operator talk to you, that would honestly be peak

The drifter deserves so much more

[ember mulch]

Drifter in 1999, operator being on the comms for the bounty quests

[cedar robin]

Yes!! Perfection

[ember mulch]

Would be so cool (though dr. entrati prob will be the comms person)

[cedar robin]

Aslong as he doesn’t hit us with “your Warframe is strong”

“Attack the drifter and he will counter”

[nova harness]

If we don't get to save Albrecht I'm conceptually embodying him back

[cedar robin]

Imagine we get gameplay like duviri and new war drifter

[ember mulch]

It would also be funny to see the drifter pick up weapons like in duviri for 1999 as opposed to warframing

[ember mulch]

The cool stealth sections, the dragon grappling, bullying with bloodborne counters

[cedar robin]

Albrecht and loid holding hands and kissing must be apart of 1999

[nova harness]

The only reason he would do that is if Wally does that move again

[cedar robin]

As long as there’s no… deacons

[undone lodge]

Drifter, Lotus says it has to be them

[cedar robin]

Will we ever get another quest that revolves around Pazuul?

[regal summit]

i hope not he’s a freak

[ember mulch]

Think the gemini skin system is also going to be ingrained into the 1999 quests? Like switching between two different separate characters/positions would sound cool for a puzzle fight

[cedar robin]

He’s the perfect freak 😍

I want him to bite my head off and suck out my guts till my little legs kick kick kick/j

[ember mulch]

100 primed soons(tm) when tau content is finally released

[regal summit]

😟

[uncut ocean]

I hope so, they need to fix his archon shard not showing up in comms

[cedar robin]

So my friend plays genshin impact and there’s characters in that game called archons, there’s this one guy called venti, I looked at him and thought “green archon shard”

[cedar robin]

What’s his shard again?

[ember mulch]

The blast one (amber? i really dont remember)

[uncut ocean]

He's supposed to have an amber one jammed right in his head

[cedar robin]

Ah I see, like nira?

[ember mulch]

Wait no its topaz

[cedar robin]

Oh

[spare wind]

I don’t think it would make a lot of sense to get something like that

[ember mulch]

Ok i have no idea by this point

[cedar robin]

What did bro say

[edgy sierra]

so would that mean there's 2 more additional archons to come (for green and purple)?

[spare wind]

Scam?

[cedar robin]

Venti and raiden shogun (don’t murder me im joking)

[uncut ocean]

Why not? It's literally in Veilbreaker. It just doesn't show up in comms for no reason

Here it is in game

[edgy sierra]

expect a death squad in the future o7

[cedar robin]

Noooooo

[ember mulch]

Raiden? Raiden Metal gear rising revengance? From the death battle with excalibur warframe? Warfram■■■■■■■

[regal summit]

is that an archon shard

it doesn’t really look like one

[cedar robin]

Solid snake

[regal summit]

i thought he had some weird time crystal so he didn’t die or something

[edgy sierra]

Solid snake? Like how Nira is a snake?
😱

[cedar robin]

NO!! That is NOT solid snake!

[ember mulch]

The ram simply found the body and went "lol imagine if i" and did

[cedar robin]

I gotta see a lotus eater screenshot with someone who chose natah

[uncut ocean]

I think the lore is that Narmer found Erra and fit the ram onto his body with the Topaz shard so that they'd have a new leader after Ballas died

[ember mulch]

I've yet to see such sillyness and require such a sight

[uncut ocean]

I did it, is the quest replayable?

[nova harness]

I wonder why Sevagoth Prime occupies 2 slots yet only one counts in inventory

[cedar robin]

Idk I’ll check soon

[cedar robin]

Cuz he thick

[edgy sierra]

maybe his Shadow is bugged

[edgy sierra]

so then why doesn't Wisp Prime take up 4+?

[nova harness]

Sevagoth Proto confirmed?

[uncut ocean]

Lotus eaters isn't replayable, and now that I finished it, I can't see the screen on the Lotus staring into the void either :(

Just his ugly mug

[ember mulch]

shrimple: lack of feet means less space taken up

[cedar robin]

Loid will kill you

[uncut ocean]

I can take on a drone, easy

[regal summit]

he really thinks he’s jotaro kujo i swear

[cedar robin]

The real loid

[edgy sierra]

the Necraloid Loid would put up more of a fight

[uncut ocean]

Oh.

... I can take on a human, easy

[ember mulch]

just noticed that albrecht is doing a smile but its not struck 12 yet
Probably just a little silly. Probably

[cedar robin]

Are people on the zariman like, incarnon people? Cuz of the mayo on them

[uncut ocean]

That's because you're not late

[ember mulch]

you gotta get the void feathers to wash that icky off

[cedar robin]

I no wanna do zariman standing

[uncut ocean]

I need Stefan Rudnicki (Albrecht's VA) to say Yare Yare Daze

[supple dagger]

We able to talk about the lotus eaters here?

[regal summit]

at the very least a good grief

[ember mulch]

also theyre probably closer to void apparations since they basically just returned from nothing via conceptial embodiment and other void magic

[ember mulch]

spoiler is a spoiler is a spoiler

[cedar robin]

Is it normal to hear cavalero shouting in my dreams?

[ember mulch]

i think you are lacking in the shooty things department then

[uncut ocean]

I mean, I still hear Father yelling "ORPHIX" all the time from the Orphix Venom event

[supple dagger]

Well I'm just shocked by how quickly it's over. I get it's a prologue, but it didn't really do much for me

[cedar robin]

I wish we could save teshin from duviri

[supple dagger]

Like, this is supposed to get us hyped til December?

[ember mulch]

'janus'

[cedar robin]

Is duviri linked to the zariman??

[vocal flicker]

How to use the phone?

We did get a phone

[regal summit]

i played it on my lunch break lol

[supple dagger]

They look the same area wise

[ember mulch]

pretty much just decor, for now at least

[supple dagger]

I just got off work and did it. Like dang

[uncut ocean]

Think of it as those TNW prologues that got released, it's just an appetizer of the vibes of the characters

[vocal flicker]

Hmm

[ember mulch]

could have a use soon

[cedar robin]

What if thrax left duviri and came to the origin system, that is what it’s called right?

[supple dagger]

I've been in the game for two months so I'm just now all caught up

[ember mulch]

zariman plugged in void hole, part of zariman leaking into duviri, albiet not the same zariman necessarily

[cedar robin]

Is there a way we could get teshin out of there?

[vocal flicker]

Possible now that he dne in our system

[ember mulch]

hes basically a void manifestation kinda like the zariman, locked to a single area by being between the impossibilities of death and life

[cedar robin]

Imagine teshin replacing lotus for missions

[ember mulch]

so uh nah teshin is retired

cant even go on holiday to saturn

[cedar robin]

He should never have died, his death should have been more, impactful

[uncut ocean]

Oh, well, congrats, welcome to the game.

You had to do stuff like the Apostacy Prologue and a couple other prologue quests before you got to do the New War. When those updates released, they were very similar to how Lotus Eaters is now. It wasn't much, it was just leaning into TNW.

[regal summit]

did they ever explain shadow teshin in the relay

[nova harness]

He’s alive

[cedar robin]

Ik he is

[nova harness]

Teshin is in Duviri so can’t be in Relays

[cedar robin]

Shadow teshin mate

[dawn mirage]

is that the same Teshin though

[regal summit]

he was a shadow dead guy thing before duviri

[ember mulch]

ig its like the holo he puts up in war within (as well as holo lotus post apostasy to pre new war)

[cedar robin]

Like lotus hologram

[ember mulch]

holo lotus would be funny as a skin

[cedar robin]

Fr

[ember mulch]

hate having to see that mirage (not the frame) that spells out 'lack of space mom' but holo lotus did look cool

dang it easy warframe names

[cedar robin]

Love the new menu music

For lotus eaters

[ember mulch]

'this is what you are' esque themes just pack a punch when you're a late/endgame player

[cedar robin]

OH ITS THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE

[ember mulch]

did u not realise before..?

[cedar robin]

OMG THIS IS BEAUTIFUL

[cedar robin]

No, I only started this year lol

[ember mulch]

fair enough

[cedar robin]

I started in Dante unbound

[ember mulch]

pretty sure most login musics were either this is what you are redos or had motifs of it

[cedar robin]

So is this the normal login music?

[ember mulch]

ngl it would fit being the default

[cedar robin]

I turn 18 when 1999 comes out, mad

[ember mulch]

Im going to check now when the login music changes started bc every 'major' update seemed to have new login music

[cedar robin]

I didn’t like the jade music

[ember mulch]

Login music changes started with the sacrifice it seemed

[nova harness]

Oh so you’re only like 11 now and when the year 1999 comes you become 18?

[cedar robin]

……huh?

[nocturne kiln]

Lets not make this wierd

[ember mulch]

clem judges your decision, all warframe music is peak

[cedar robin]

Ik but I didn’t like it as much compared to other songs

[ember mulch]

albiet it did kinda get annoying with the elevator just blasting it everytime

[cedar robin]

Beautiful at first, I used that mission as a way to rank stuff up

It genuinely was a great xp farm that mission

[oak lantern]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[cedar robin]

Oof

[nova harness]

Do a node

[cedar robin]

If he has any left

Which he probably doesn’t

Maybe he has a steel path one

[nova harness]

There’s RJ

Doubt that’s max for them

Duviri you can max easy

[ember mulch]

Still hate rj intrinsic farming

[cedar robin]

I just hate railjack straight up

[ember mulch]

Tried the r9 farm but switch load times makes it so... boring

[nova harness]

I only have one RJ rank left

[ember mulch]

How fast am i meant to do r9 cloud anyways to farm efficiently

[nova harness]

When I maxed them there was Gian point

[supple dagger]

I personally use the Corpus Veil Survival

Its pretty fast for how little effort you need to put in

And no load times either

[ember mulch]

Survival wasnt very efficient for me but fun seeing my torid just fill the screen with red numbers

30 min for 100 instrinsics at a pluto (mightve been neptune) void storm

Idk if i had a booster on or not

[supple dagger]

I can guarantee speedrunning Grineer missions takes longer than this

The fighters just arent worth enough xp, and the crewships slow down the run alot

Unless you deliberately hunt down and kill every normal enemy in the POIs, you wont get enough.

[potent vine]

Well noe I know what those phone things are called. Kinepage

[balmy storm]

Its a pager
Now we know the brand name

[cloud stump]

atleast we dont have to down anyone to answer the pager (thanks lotus for not being Bane)

[fast orchid]

i have a feeling like the new quest has some hints here and there when we answered the pager

like the board or the CCTV

next to that it wouldnt suprise me that the albrecht in the 1999 world would be TMITW since he's speaking voidtongue.

[fading current]

You think Arthur’s frantically looking around for his pager now lmao

[nova harness]

Nah he probably has a few

[hidden dawn]

Y'all think the pager things gunna be important once 1999 drops?

[thick jolt]

I mean with the way he was looking for his keys he probably just figured someone swiped it again

[hidden dawn]

Or is it purely decorative

[cinder steppe]

I was too young too know about pagers so I googled a bit and found some interesting information that is probably why they are relevant:

-They are much more reliable than mobile phones because they use satellites rather than signal towers. This is why they are being used during crises.

-they use a host based message and receive system, so there's no middle stop in between messaging and receiving. So in theory if you would indeed travel through time with one, you would still be able to send and receive messages

[zenith jacinth]

They were probably the most easily available thing for the hex to use for communication

[nova harness]

Don’t doctors still use them?

[hidden dawn]

Imagine we use the pager text the Hex through time to flirt with them when not in hollvania when they add the dating sim lol

[autumn turret]

probably gonna do stuff once 99 drops yea

[rough hawk]

So its true

Lotus make the bargain with Wally in the past...that's how she got moon in the void

one of her new lines hints on it

[fiery kettle]

: o

so is she singing the tenno theme to drown out the throat singing

y tho

[thick jolt]

That wouldnt make too much sense i think

How would putting the moon in the void through a deal work with us pulling it out through breaking stuff in the second dream?

[rough hawk]

Lotus put the moon in the VOID in the past to protect us while we where sleeping. We yet not know what the deal was but we didnt know there was a deal in the first place. And its make sense considering how hard put whole planet in Void without "help"

[thick jolt]

Yeah but how would that work with how we took it out

If she put it there theough a deal shouldnt we have pulled it out through breaking the deal or smth?

But we took it out by breaking stuff

[rough hawk]

She put moon to protect us...deal was about protecting us. It did, but we don't know what agreed price was

[thick jolt]

I feel you are mixing several quotes here

[rough hawk]

?

[thick jolt]

The new line she has about lua does not mention a deal

The line about her asking us of our deal does not mention lua

[rough hawk]

She talks about price

moon and price in one sentence

[thick jolt]

Yeah and then you extrapolated that there was a deal with wally to put the moon in the void to protect us

[rough hawk]

and Wally she LIED about didnt see him at the end of The New War

Its not directly stated yes

but its half of game lore this way

[thick jolt]

So there being a cost to putting lua in the void directly means that she made a deal with wally to protect us is what you are saying

[rough hawk]

yea

[thick jolt]

Completely ignoring how in the second dream it was the machinery we broke that was keeping the moon there

[thick jolt]

It is a stretch

[rough hawk]

And whats a problem with it?

[tight pagoda]

When Lotus says “There was a cost to putting Lua in the void”, she typically only says that when Thrax forces are attacking during conjunction survival, as if they’re the cost

[thick jolt]

Voruna leverian talks about how even before lua being sent into the void there were aparitions in a certain section

And that when doing the ritual and opening the portal to enhance the ritual monsters poured theough to the point of needing bodyguards for the ritual there

So its not necessarily related

[tight pagoda]

Makes sense, Kuva being void juice and all

[thick jolt]

Also considering the keywords
Lua, miracle, and cost

It could very well refer to continuity rituals held on lua

[rough hawk]

She cant put whole Lua in Void herself...she cool and all but not that powerful. We know she lied in The New War so there was a reason as if she new something about Wally. Now she tells about price again when Wally wants her for "reasons".

[thick jolt]

Again ignoring the machinery on lua itself huh

[rough hawk]

Yea...which under any normal circumstances would became corrupted under the void energy

[thick jolt]

Ignoring lua tileset and orokin towers tileset

[rough hawk]

Not counting

We need to look at lore and build assumptions on what we know today

not on how it was when the Second Dream was released

[thick jolt]

.....

Suuuure lets ignore lore to make wild assumptions on lore

Makes total sense

[balmy storm]

The moon had physical components to keep it in the void, the void compasses and the pendula
These were also likely used to get it in the void

The pendula was what kept the moon in the void specifically while the compasses are what steered the moon through the void

Likely to keep it in a relative position to the Earth

[rough hawk]

I doubt Orokin build this to place they're Capital in void

[rough hawk]

that's more likely

[balmy storm]

Then why would that machinery be there?
Why have void compasses?
Why have a pendula?
Because the void was a good way to escape if things got bad

[rough hawk]

Nope it wasn't

[balmy storm]

The compasses would keep it relative to earth, not the pendula

[cinder steppe]

This Lua might actually be a void copy.

[rough hawk]

what?

[balmy storm]

???
Got more than “no”?

[balmy storm]

Doubtful

[thick jolt]

What do you think orokin towers we visit in the void were?

[balmy storm]

Deimos was in the void too, it got in and out easy enough
Why is Lua different? Especially when we see the mechanisms ON Lua

[rough hawk]

Orokin never used void on such scale to themselves

[rough hawk]

Don't remember deimos in the void

[balmy storm]

Blatantly not true
They used void tech everywhere and escaping to the void is a viable, albeit nuclear option

[cinder steppe]

I mean it made a void copy of the Zariman

[balmy storm]

Deimos was in the void before it appeared back in the system, its one of the first things Loid ever says to us

[balmy storm]

Not a copy
Its as much of a copy as the Drifter is to the Operator, which is to say not a copy.

[rough hawk]

Zariman not a copy...its alternative version

[rough hawk]

What Loid out of two?

[balmy storm]

Necraloid

Loid: "We are in crisis, Tenno. Our defence against the Gray Strain has failed. The Necralisk is in lockdown, but it doesn't matter. The Infestation has compromised the very Heart itself. We have been forced to re-phase into Martian—"

And while there isn’t much info on what exactly happened when Deimos came out it did just pop onto the map once the Derelict got into position
It did in fact just pop in and we have confirmation it re-phased into martian orbit/space

Phasing into and out of the void is possible, they have the technology, Lua just shows it to us directly

[rough hawk]

derelict not relevant to any of this...devs just merge tilesets for reasons

[thick jolt]

I'd like to reitarate this as well

[balmy storm]

I was mentioning what physically happened on the map
But yes, it isnt relevant

It is a lot more likely she’s talking about what took place on Lua

[rough hawk]

I guess I need to wait Starlords vid on this

[balmy storm]

lol ok

[rough hawk]

[balmy storm]

She’s def not talking about putting the moon into the void

Especially since, again, we see that tech and actively deactivate it and know the tech exists elsewhere (Deimos)

[rough hawk]

Cant tell...she is to familiar with Wally. And its NOT relevant to Margulis memory as she cast out Rell herself

[thick jolt]

Oh boy now i know why you are so bad at this

[rough hawk]

LOL its one of the two best lore YT out there

[balmy storm]

What does Margulis have to do with this?
What does any of that have to do with the fact that we know the process of how the moon got into and out of the void?

[balmy storm]

Check out Orokin Archives

Idk how many theories Stallord does but the Archives just gives straight facts

[rough hawk]

Theories much more interesting to think about

I mean my take is also more of a theory

[balmy storm]

I prefer theorizing on my own, taking in the official info and coming to my own conclusions
Or talking about it actively with others

[balmy storm]

Your theory is she’s talking about putting Lua in the void
But we know its put in there due to machines

Plus she didnt even know about Wally until later

Second dream happens before chains which is our teaser of Wally

[thick jolt]

If it ignores other lore its not a theory its a headcanon

[rough hawk]

That's big question after the New War

[balmy storm]

She knows about him now

But not back then

[rough hawk]

To much to fast

[balmy storm]

???

At the time of the second dream she had no idea who the man in the wall was
She doesn’t even hear his name until chains of harrow
She doesn’t have any encounter with him until the new war, that encounter is likely how she knows what she knows

Nothing tells us she knew anything prior to chains

[tight pagoda]

She also knew about him before that though, as Natah, during the Ropalolyst fight, she mentions the Void’s other face

Lemme find the quote

[thick jolt]

I have seen the wall's other face

[balmy storm]

That happens after the sacrifice

Which is after chains

[rough hawk]

In this new Prolog it looks like she knows to much about Wally...in such short period of time.

[balmy storm]

Okay?

That doesn’t suggest she’s had info since the second dream.

Or prior

[rough hawk]

But then...why dose she lied to us?

[tight pagoda]

Yep, I’m just saying that her interaction with him at the end of New War isn’t the first time

Natah: "I have seen the wall's other face, too. I have heard the voice."

[balmy storm]

Lie about what?

[rough hawk]

I saw...saw nothing

[tight pagoda]

Tbf she says she saw “nothing”

Indifference, quite literally, is nothing

[balmy storm]

Oh, we don’t know
Likely trying to protect us

[balmy storm]

Seeing him and knowing of him are two very different things

[thick jolt]

Reminder lotus is a sentient an artificial being

The other key interaction of artificial being x void are cy's comentaries about the reliquary drive

Stuff like him feeling like something touched him which is impossible

Cant remember the exact quote about beholding a void(implying not seeing anything iirc)

[thick jolt]

Paradox, you behold an absence, describe it

[balmy storm]

examining Reliquary drive, variant) "Attempting to perceive: cognition algorithms fail to prove a negative. Something touches me. Impossible."

(examining Reliquary drive, variant) "Paradox. You behold an absence. Describe it."

(examining Reliquary drive, variant) "Crew. A colour you have never seen – imagine it. That is where you are."

[thick jolt]

Lotus as an artificial being seeing wally as nothing
And cy's descriptions match imo

[balmy storm]

Remember that Cy isn’t entirely artificial either
He’s a cephalon, a human mind digitized
But it still holds merit as he is more data than human by this point

[rough hawk]

God forbid they did something to Lotus again

[thick jolt]

To word it better their senses are synthetic not biological in nature

[balmy storm]

Yes

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, i can’t remember where I read this, but for most people, the Void is literal nothingness, they don’t see all the blue energy, only the Tenno (and other void-touched beings like the Holdfasts) do

[balmy storm]

Def gotta source that

[thick jolt]

Thats albrechts description of what people had found the void to be before his first encounter

The part he says people were mocking him for studying nothing

[balmy storm]

Everything indicated the void to be nothing
Until Albrecht stepped in

[rough hawk]

Interesting actually

[balmy storm]

The void by itself is nothing, but mix in emotion and concepts and you get things

[rough hawk]

what so special about Albreht

[balmy storm]

He was the one to step into the void, the first

[tight pagoda]

That’s the question, isn’t it, Kiddo?

[balmy storm]

The leading expert on the void too

[rough hawk]

Its sad we didnt have Void IRL

woul be so cool

[balmy storm]

As far as you know

But also, as cool as it’d be, would largely be considered to be nothing

[rough hawk]

universe is quite boring

[balmy storm]

And by stepping in its not like you have control, the void makes people go mad

[balmy storm]

Not really but okay

The void by itself is objectively more boring

[rough hawk]

Like everything is predetermined

[rough hawk]

its at least fun

Like u can bend reality by emotions

IRL we didn't normally stepped into cosmos and already handcuffed by light speed and other BS

[balmy storm]

You would have little control

[rough hawk]

true

[prime lantern]

According to?

How can you make a claim like that when theres still things physics doesn't understand

[balmy storm]

lol

[rough hawk]

Actually talking about WF...it would be cool if DE revealed what was New War in each iteration

[balmy storm]

each iteration?

[rough hawk]

I mean...New War was obviously in production hell

[balmy storm]

Phew, thought you were gonna bring up eternalism

[rough hawk]

Cant tell how much time they rewrite the script

like mother who died off screen

[balmy storm]

????

Praghasa?

[rough hawk]

And even with Duviri we still dont know how Drifter save Lotus parts

[rough hawk]

yea...remember old teaser?

2k18 one

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Wdym?

Her hand crashes into duviri, Drifter takes it back
She regrows from a hand

She’s a sentient, they can do that

[rough hawk]

U think?

[balmy storm]

That is what we know, yes

[rough hawk]

If it is the case we have PROBLEM

like REAL PROBLEM

[balmy storm]

Wdym

[rough hawk]

Where other body???

[balmy storm]

Gone

To the void

[rough hawk]

Gone?

[balmy storm]

Nor would it be a problem

The way sentients work it’d still be her
Its not a separate being, just a fragment of her

[rough hawk]

In the void nothing is going to waste

[balmy storm]

Untrue

Duviri islands have been consumed by the void due to Thrax casting them out

[rough hawk]

yea...sure not Dictator film meme

[balmy storm]

Plus without protection her “other half” would just be gone
She was dying as is

[balmy storm]

Thats what happened to the lost islands but ok

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, the Void is poison to sentient as well

[balmy storm]

The only reason her hand survived is because it fell into duviri and the drifter managed to get her out

[rough hawk]

I mean...we know Void take them, but they are likely just floating somewhere

corrupted

[balmy storm]

Iirc they’re essentially digested

[rough hawk]

or turned into bone

[balmy storm]

Why would they turn into bone?

What says they turn into bone??

[rough hawk]

Its cool theory

check "The Alchemy of His Soul and The Abandoned Vessel"

[thick jolt]

......

[balmy storm]

I dont see how void constructs would turn to bone though

[rough hawk]

Its prime material

[thick jolt]

Honestly @balmy storm i would give up actually talking warframe lore with them

[balmy storm]

I’m mostly on the archives rn lol

Reading is fun

[thick jolt]

Very good use of time

[rough hawk]

U can theorize about WF lore

its not forbidden

[balmy storm]

I am aware

[rough hawk]

sry

its miss not to u

haha

[balmy storm]

But theories need some evidence to back them up
Hence why I go to the archives for those facts

You’re good to theorize ofc
Its very fun

[thick jolt]

Theory vs headcanon

[balmy storm]

I just like having that info to back up theories

[rough hawk]

If u base you're understanding of lore only on text...bruh

[safe venture]

What does the Operator say when you select the third option? Every video I've seen so far only selects the first option (and I've only seen one that selected the second option).

[thick jolt]

You were the one ignoring elements of gameplay and storytelling that weight on lore earlier

[balmy storm]

I mean
The text is the transcripts and actual happening from the game, so its more substantial than a fun thought

[rough hawk]

There is also music and other soundscape, art style and design

etc

[balmy storm]

I try to only pull my information from the game, base my theories on what info we get from the game and official source
The Orokin Archives are the best source for all of that, while it isnt official itself its much better than say the Wiki or replaying an entire quest for a bit of dialogue

[balmy storm]

Yes, I also factor those in as well

Often times I look up playthrough for the visual side of things

My source is whats present in the game

[rough hawk]

Did u know about screams in the labs?

[winged ridge]

Is the new login screen music out officially on yt and spotify? Its so good

[balmy storm]

And not to bring it up again by the compass and pendula are literal parts of the environment and we’re told what they do via dialogue
We know how the moon can enter or exit the void

[balmy storm]

I dont think so but I hope it will be soon

Give it a week tbh

[winged ridge]

Fingers crossed, love the new iteration of this is what you are

[thick jolt]

So yeah you were the one ignoring other sources of lore

[rough hawk]

They are OLD. That's the problem.

[thick jolt]

......

[balmy storm]

Thats not a reason to discount them when nothing says otherwise other then your theory that the Lotus is talking about putting the moon into the void

[rain otter]

What is old?

[balmy storm]

You don’t just discount the old cause its old, you only discount it once there’s solid facts that say it isnt true anymore
And nothing says that

[rain otter]

Cuz like we have new stuff that says the moon was in the Voi

[rough hawk]

Reason because I put possibility that DE forgot about this

[balmy storm]

Additionally Deimos also mentions rephasing into martian orbit/space

[rain otter]

Like the recap PC is there.

It mentions it so they didn't forget.

[balmy storm]

That’s an assumption

[thick jolt]

The real reason is probably just because it doesnt fit their headcanon so they ignore it

[balmy storm]

Deimos shows us that the Orokin had this tech and used it in multiple places
Lua literally shows us the tech as we deactivate it

[rain otter]

Also I think we might actually fight that part of her body being like puppeted by Wally.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

[balmy storm]

I can see that tbh

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[rough hawk]

yea...it would be interesting

[balmy storm]

We don’t know what exactly happened to it other then it fell in

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

But its not like there’s 2 lotuses walking around

Cause if that part of her was alive, it’d just be her
In 2 places
Cause she’s a sentient and they can fragment

[rain otter]

Yeah I think if it's brought back up it will be Wally like puppeting basically a dead body.

[balmy storm]

mfw Wally puppets our mom’s old dead body

[rain otter]

But yeah it's literally only her hand we see in the new war and the rest of her is just a GHOST when we re-log in.

[rough hawk]

Or maybe there is not other part and Drifter collected all of them and DE forgot to inform us is the right way. Not the first time tbh

[rain otter]

Also it explains why drifter doesn't know who the lotus is but wants to help her cuz like the hand saved the Drifter from duviris loop.

[balmy storm]

Considering it hasn’t come up, I doubt it

[rain otter]

Then why is she literally only a hand in thencutscene?

[balmy storm]

That too

We quite literally regrew space mom from her hand, the only part of her that survived

[rain otter]

Also like I said the Drifter doesn't know her name cuz they actually haven't talked to her

Until like the end of the new war.

[rough hawk]

I mean after Ballas mental gymnastics with plan to give us a Sentient Slayer sword to stab us

[balmy storm]

???

If Drifter had her body, which we don’t see after she falls in, then we would have seen it in the new war
Why hide it away? What would be the purpose when we were already hidden? Especially by now, it would have come up

Nor the Drifter know about the paracesis or who the Lotus really is or any of that

They know Duviri, the hand, getting out and what bits Ordis would have filled them in on
Which, granted, we don’t know the exact details of that, but even if they knew why hide the rest of her body? Why focus on the hand and not the rest of her?
Because it was lost.

[rough hawk]

I mean story about what happens what in the first drafts u plan to kill Lotus in the NEW WAR (even CGI was about confronting her) and than u make it about Ballas and his plan that not make any sense

[balmy storm]

How are suspected first drafts relevant

[rough hawk]

Its about DE ability to make a grate story that will eventually ignore something in the already existing lore

[rain otter]

You don't play to kill the lotus. You want to save her and then Teshin is like "ill kill her if I have to" cuz he's our BOI

[balmy storm]

But there’s no evidence they ignored anything

Not in relation to this

[rough hawk]

not yet at least

[safe venture]

I don't recall ever seeing anything related to the Operator wanting to kill the Lotus...

[balmy storm]

There was a time where players wanted to, but never our operator

[safe venture]

That I'm aware of.

I just didn't think DE would actually do that.

[balmy storm]

We always wanted to save her, hence Teshin saying he’d do it because we wouldn’t

They didn’t
At no point does our tenno decide “ok ima kill mom”

[rain otter]

Also they literally set up like Parvos talking to the man in the wall in The deadlock protocol fragments for it to come up in the whispers update.

Idk how that is them ignoring the lore.

[balmy storm]

They’re pretty good about remembering things

[rough hawk]

Its was not about Operator but about what is right to do. Ballas was different in Chimera prolog as well as Nata in first The New War teaser. Erra was not existent as well.

[balmy storm]

Ballas was lying to us

[safe venture]

How is killing the Lotus the right thing to do? What would be the motivation behind the Tenno doing that? How does that achieve the Tenno's goals?

[rough hawk]

Yea...outplayed everyone

sure...cool story Bob

[balmy storm]

Yeah
He did
He lied to us, manipulated Lotus and Erra
Wormed his way to the top

[rain otter]

Ballas is literally a liar.

[safe venture]

There's so much evidence to show that, too.

[rain otter]

He's a weasely little liar dude.

[rough hawk]

And as such all characters are idiots

[balmy storm]

Unrelated fun fact
In the sanctum atomica captura scene the kinepage is still on the floor, ringing

[rain otter]

Even how he takes over Is literally like a Gas lightning mask.

[balmy storm]

I mean Erra was but Lotus had been actively manipulated by him for years

As stupid as it may seem from an outside perspective you can’t always see manipulation

[rough hawk]

He didn't exist in lore in those time...whole direction was different

[rain otter]

Also they set up natah being controlled like during the oprhix venom event. Cuz if you took the first letter from each transmission of natah it says "I AM DYING"

[safe venture]

This basically consistent to blaming the victim. The Lotus was a victim: simple as that.

[balmy storm]

I’m done here

[safe venture]

Not a perfect victim, mind you.

[rain otter]

Eh

[safe venture]

But a victim nonetheless.

[sour adder]

What fresh hell have I just come into

[rain otter]

Idk

Folks

[sour adder]

This dude writing an essay god damn

[rough hawk]

Love when WF community try to seat on all chairs...like I to love DE but whole story with Ballas so called "plan" is total BS and super copium. New War was in production hell (covid 19 not helped as well), and devs had a problem where to lead story. Its 100% a coincidence that CGI trailer for New War was pointing on clash with Lotus...100% also to deceive us

[rain otter]

k

[safe venture]

Um...

... what?

[sinful tusk]

[sour adder]

But ballas did have a “plan”, ie to get as much power as he could, new war style. He manipulated both erra and lotus (in the early stages) to get there. I’m not 100% confident in myself to know every tidbit of lore, but ballas most definitely had a plan.

He’s always been a a-hole, even as early as the sacrifice.

[lucid abyss]

all my homies hate ballas

[obtuse gyro]

In those time? Care to elaborate what you evidently barely think is "those time"

[sour adder]

Well it definitely wasn’t in that time ||joking||

[thick jolt]

Think is a very strong word there

[nova harness]

99.9% of the community do

[sour adder]

Ballas ain’t got no redeeming qualities

[obtuse gyro]

Homie has been typing for very long

How long of an answer do you need to answer what "those time" means with regards to "when did erra exist"

[sour adder]

I told you he writing an essay

He finna reach char limit

[obtuse gyro]

Long words a thought out answer does not make

[sour adder]

Ok master oogway

[obtuse gyro]

Mmmmm monke

[thick jolt]

Baoogway

[stoic briar]

What relics have sevagoth prime in it

[rough hawk]

wrong chat

[thick jolt]

I guess there are new ones but i havent looked yet

[stoic briar]

Where do I ask then

[thick jolt]

Should be able to filter sevagoth relics in the relic console

Here is fine

[stoic briar]

Thanks

[sour adder]

Do Ganymede and Sinai on Jupiter. I checked myself earlier and all of the relics drop there.

[sour adder]

Obviously there are other places but two are on Jupiter for all the relics so

[stoic briar]

Thank you!

[sour adder]

Hit me/ us up if you need any more assistance matey

[thick jolt]

The chat hivemind is aaaalways watching

[nova harness]

Nothing better to do

[thick jolt]

Yup

[tight pagoda]

I’m such an idiot, I spent my steel essence yesterday on Relic packs for Aya, completely forgetting the plan was to save them for Sevagoth today

[nova harness]

Day 200 of Warframe players doing stupid things

[tight pagoda]

Still got my Syndicates though

[prisma fox]

Is it a bug that eyepiece cosmetics don't seem to show during the Lotus Eaters quest or intended behaviour?

[tight pagoda]

It seems like most of the time you’ve got headwear of any sort when the Operator is visible in a cutscene, the game removes it

[thick jolt]

I guess intended so they can have a proper dialogue

[prisma fox]

Makes sense, but it's a bit jarring when the eyepiece cosmetic removed is the dual oculus, i.e. the one that looks like a mundane pair of glasses

[thick jolt]

Lol i can imagine

[balmy badger]

They remove facial accessories during cutscenes to show the facial animations better. But personally I'd rather that be a toggle than forced.

[fading current]

They also take off all attachments and Syandanas on your drifter during most cutscenes as well.
I gotta get a better look for my drifter without the attachments cuz rn he only looks good WITH that stuff on.

[fiery kettle]

is there any difference in the dialogue options

[tight pagoda]

No consequences, it seems, but obviously each dialogue says something else

[fiery kettle]

is it replayable

[tight pagoda]

Not yet

Jade Shadows became replayable after the first update since it

[fiery kettle]

loss

[wicked iron]

Random question... Has anyone translated this?

[tight pagoda]

@nocturne kiln your time has come

[nocturne kiln]

I'm not too fluent in proper orokin but I'll give it a shot. By the way, the bottom part says
"December 31st, 1999
Next apointment in"

[nocturne kiln]

N10
Mal
Folder

[wicked iron]

Awesome, thanks!

[nocturne kiln]

No problem

...wait, thats a moderator. Am I an official translator now?

[viscid quarry]

Yes

[rain otter]

Discord moderator not necessarily related to the actual DE team that much.

[viscid quarry]

He’s a moderator translator

[wicked iron]

This, indeed. 😄

[viscid quarry]

He now serves only to translate things the moderator want to be translated

[nocturne kiln]

man, you ask a silly question for funsies and people go straight for the jugular. Why would DE even need translators when they have the people who write the stuff?

[tight pagoda]

[Insert actual answer instead of accepting that as a rhetorical question]

[mystic comet]

Lil guy

[nocturne kiln]

Thank you though. I will resume translations later on today

[weary fern]

Yall anyone else disappointed while playing lotus eaters?

[limpid pollen]

Nay

It just add a bunch of info and my head is storming with theory now

[amber terrace]

I just finished the update and placed Arthur’s Nokia answering machine whatsit in my orbiter

Can’t believe that DE almost took Lotus away, again

What in the second rate shaboingery is this? Why is Daughter listening to On-Lyne?

[fading current]

Not at all. Was as short as I was expecting tbh.

[mystic comet]

Infested girl likes infested boyband

It just makes sense

[amber terrace]

I mean fair, but doesn’t that mean that the Family is one step closer to knowing what’s going on in the basement?

[obtuse gyro]

or perhaps its a sign that time has changed?

[amber terrace]

It’s too late and my brain is too small to comprehend what you’re implying, I’ll get back with you in about 4 hours and 45 mins when I wake up in the morning

[jagged elbow]

noticed this too, i just started the veilbreaker quest and heard it

[dusk socket]

Lotus eater bug? the cinematics remove attachment, and my drifer \ operator helmet when they talk to lotus. Popped back when im in control

[fading current]

Don’t think that’s a bug

[amber terrace]

Say, what happens if I stay away from Kalymos for too long? As I was doing the quest, I noticed that Kalymos had a radius around it and when I backed away from Kalymos for too long, I heard The Indifference making Indifference noises

[candid finch]

Lotus Eaters: ||Anyone else think this was gonna be like... an actual quest?||

[obtuse gyro]

no, they were kinda open about it being like apostasy prologue

[covert tree]

Or other prologues it's ment to build hype for the party of a life time

[rain otter]

Nah

[covert tree]

I'm upset no lotus was eaten

[zenith jacinth]

I think lotus eaters refers to the wally faces in the skybox(I know it's based on some story but that's even less related). Still kinda weird quest name

[balmy storm]

I think it refers to the fact she’s using herself as bait
She says he’s hungry, so she’s the distraction

[tight pagoda]

It’s also Lotus’s guilt eating at her

[balmy storm]

Wally is the Lotus Eater

[balmy storm]

Guilt?

For what?

[tight pagoda]

Well less of guilt and more of what you’re saying, that presence Wally has trying to get Lotus to give up the Tenno is eating at her

One line she has is something like “I will not give him my pain. Not Ballas, not even the Jade Light,” so it’s as if Wally is tempting her into feeling Indifferent

[gritty flume]

not necessary

[fierce summit]

I'm 9 hours late to this but I'm gonna do it anyway

• Modern Orokin on the label - "ehn-1-0" - "N10"
• Modern Orokin on the upper screen - "m-ael f-ohl-d-ehr" - "Mail Folder"
• 1999 Orokin on the Lower Label - "d-ihs-ehm-b-ehr 31, 1999" - "December 31, 1999"
• 1999 Orokin on the Lower Label - "02: uhp-oh-een-t-m-uhn-t ihn" - "02 Appointment In"

[zenith jacinth]

People who are disappointed/annoyed by the quest didn't listen when it was said that it's just a prologue

[covert tree]

Anyway what do yall think unannounced fall update could be?

[nova harness]

Us getting ready for 1999

[wicked iron]

Y2K update!

[cosmic quiver]

When was the bird added to the undercroft course?

[covert tree]

No we know 1999 is coming winter so it's probably something else

[zenith jacinth]

Y1K?

[covert tree]

It's probably either a frame or a another prologue or a short quest I have no clue

[nova harness]

Stage setting part 2

[covert tree]

Hopefully when is it being announced?

[nova harness]

Gamescon I think

[covert tree]

Isn't games con done

[nova harness]

SEP 26
~
SEP 29
Tokyo Game Show 2024

[covert tree]

Damn that's not to long away

[icy hound]

login screens are having a lot of void tongue, is there a translation of dante unbound login/this new version of this is what you are ??

[tight pagoda]

There's not a whole lot of direct Voidtongue translation, I believe

I don't think there's an official 'Rosetta Stone' for Voidtongue like we have with Orokin

They do say 'Mara Lohk' after the first bit of singing from Lotus, which we can guess translates to Void Child based on various bits of evidence

[nova harness]

Voidtounge is the only language that isn't just English but written weird

[tight pagoda]

To further explain this, "Lohk" is confirmed to mean Void, thanks to the Requiem Mod and Albrecht's display. Meanwhile, "Mara" is DE's internal development name for the Operator. Voidspeaking characters talk to the Operator and call them Mara Lohk-- first when MITW shows up at the end of New War, and the Cavia also call you that (Tagfer says it during Whispers when calling you so he can give you a keyglyph, and Fibonacci can say it when completing an assassinate)

When MITW shows up at the end of New War, he says "VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?". We also know Xata means 'Truth', again from Requiem mods / Albrecht display. "Voull" sounds like "Oull", the Reqiuem mod that constantly shifts, but we don't know what that translates to. A popular theory is that the full line translates to "Now do you see the truth, void child?"

[regal summit]

i thought mara meant demon

[obtuse gyro]

fun thing, mara's meaning is not confirmed anywhere, its speculation at best

[regal summit]

makes sense

i like the idea of it being demon i think that’s cool

[nocturne kiln]

It's not 100% clear. Kind of like how sometimes words mean multiple things

Pft. Kinda funny though, if the void compares children to demons. There's a parenting joke in there

[balmy storm]

It means demon in a real life language, but the voidtongue meaning for Mara is unknown

I’m not gonna check every bit of dialogue in the game but from what I’m seeing on the archives “Void Child” is never said anywhere directly, closest thing is the Lotus calling us a “Child of the Void” in the Angels quest
Which happens after The New War

[nocturne kiln]

and its unlikely to mean tenno since tenno is a created word and not a proper term for something natural. Kind of like the name of a company

[real niche]

I think old Ordis calls the player "Star Child" during The Sacrifice when he gets rebooted.

[nocturne kiln]

At the begining of the wispers in the wall quest, when the wall gets blown away, just beforehand mitw says "LOHK. TOHK. TENOK" Tenok is probably the closest we'd have to the void saying Tenno

[nova harness]

Old Ordis? you don't have to diss him like that

[nocturne kiln]

and the star child diadem

Which I still need to make fashionframe around that doesnt make me look like a dork while wearing it...

[balmy storm]

He does, he calls us star child a handful of times in the sacrifice iirc

[formal rose]

I'm late, but did anybody notice the giant man in the wall above us, that doesnt have his mouth open? so eerie

[obtuse gyro]

yeap been there since whispers

[formal rose]

i never looked up until lotus eaters, so there is that. Its very creepy ...also the statue we calm down has a heartbeat and its creeping me out

[viscid quarry]

All of them do

[nocturne kiln]

Even the one in the simulacrum

Think of them as an attempt to make working anatomical models. And by working, I mean do everything a human can, internally and externally

[balmy storm]

Except think or speak or move or have a consciousness because they’re basically empty

Until we come along that is

[fading current]

I noticed in the caliban rework tease image the statues are moved, and have wires attached to where its heart could potentially be?

[balmy storm]

Can you post the teaser?

[balmy storm]

Oh, those were already there

Some vessels just have those

[thick jolt]

The tile they took those pictures in looks like the sanctum simulacrum

[balmy storm]

That room can also be found in the labs, though its rarer from my experience

[plush swan]

Do any Drifter Melees have projectiles?

[balmy storm]

Some/most do as their charged attack iirc

[plush swan]

As Drifter?

[balmy storm]

In Duviri yes

[thick jolt]

Yup but if they wanna see it might as well tell them the surefire one lol

[balmy storm]

True

[thick jolt]

Sun & moon for example

Its the heavy attack while holding block btw

[balmy storm]

I don’t recall if they’re actual projectiles or if its visually just a projectile

[zenith jacinth]

Almost all of them do

[balmy storm]

Might be thinking of a different weapon

[zenith jacinth]

Actual projectiles

[thick jolt]

Duviri sun and moon does shoot two waves

[balmy storm]

Good
Cause I vaguely remember something visually having projectiles but it didnt actually do anything so I’m glad its not those

[zenith jacinth]

I regularly use the sun and moon one to remove entire thraxdax groups

And syam's realspace one for the same purpose against different enemies

[rain otter]

I know in duviri their is the like decree that does it when you do a heavy attack.

[plush swan]

On regular heavy attacks, or just power strikes?

Because I was testing Argo & Vel in the cave, and it didn't seem to launch its projectile

[zenith jacinth]

All the special attacks are power strikes, heavy attacks get a projectile decree

[plush swan]

Ah, so none of them have their heavy attack projectiles in duviri?

I wasn't sure, because it didn't say clearly on the wiki

Except for syam

[zenith jacinth]

They do, power strike and frame heavy attack are the same

[plush swan]

uhhh

Are you sure?

[zenith jacinth]

Animations are different, projectile is the same

[upper patrol]

why is sanctum anatomica so freaky

[zenith jacinth]

Sun and moon lose their projectile for frames though

[upper patrol]

oh noooo

[pulsar magnet]

wait i just realized, sevagoth got no prime trailer?

[upper patrol]

hey guys ive completed all availible story quests
is it normal for my operator just be around a corner and then quickly hide?

in the sanctum

[balmy storm]

wdym
where?

[upper patrol]

near the lotus hes gone tho dw about it

[balmy storm]

Was it during the lotus eater quest?

[upper patrol]

nah long completed

[balmy storm]

Interesting

Did they laugh or do anything?

[nova harness]

Probably wasn't time due to update and Tennocon

[distant hare]

is there a cosmetic to make my hate like the green one stalker used in jade shadows

[zenith jacinth]

There was during the operation event

[distant hare]

Aww so not anymore

[zenith jacinth]

Probably returns later

[balmy storm]

It’ll likely be back again
Hopefully anyway

[distant hare]

Yeah i hope

[zenith jacinth]

But not soon

[distant hare]

Aw

[zenith jacinth]

Soon™

[plush swan]

Just tested Argo & Vel power strike: no projectile visible

[zenith jacinth]

For some weapons it's more ""projectile"" than projectile

Azothane's barely hits like 3 meters in front of you

[plush swan]

I can also say that I'm pretty sure that Syam doesn't have its projectiles as a Drifter weapon

They are rather distinctive and quite long-range

[plush swan]

Azothane has a reach of 3.2m, unmodded

that's not a projectile, that's the regular melee attack

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah and the projectile doesn't reach much further

[plush swan]

Origin System Azothane has a 10m range on its projectile

[amber terrace]

Take: as someone who uses the Azothane in duviri(I like big sword), the only legit use case for it’s special heavy is to get stacks of Royal Wrath

[plush swan]

I have tested:

• Syam (Nikana)
• Edun (polearm)
• Argo & Vel (Sword & Shield)
• Sun & Moon (dual Nikana)

And only Sun & Moon has a projectile on its power strike

In Duviri

[late lynx]

probably Wally mate

[mystic comet]

I wish Azothame had it's special attack in Origin system 😔

Just cause its fun

[zenith jacinth]

It does

It's on the neutral block attack iirc

[warm anvil]

that's wally

[mystic comet]

It has the heat dmg shockwave with impact proc in origin system, in Duviri it gets the 5 cold waves with guaranteed cold procs.

And I much prefer the cold

[quasi ravine]

Trailer Prime?

[ruby pumice]

Mannn

Post prologue lotus lines are kinda sad

She definitely made a deal, didn't she?

[nova harness]

What makes you think that?

[ruby pumice]

Think what?

As to why its sad? Or the deal?

[nova harness]

She made a deal

[ruby pumice]

Alad V called her omnipotent and that always made me think because she is just a sentient like any other. And then New War gave me the theory that she made a deal too to gain such power. And NOW, standing at the ledge, she just said "Lua. The Miracle. Do you understand what it cost?"

I feel like that supports my theory idk

I think she is talking about how she hid the Moon in the void

[nova harness]

Lua. the miracle. could be anything really

[ruby pumice]

The only miracle we know of so far, is how she hid it there. I know we dealt with the void compass and stuff but still

[nova harness]

Her hiding the moon wasn't anything magical it was with Orokin tech

[ruby pumice]

If it really was tech, Alad wouldn't have called her powerful for doing it, dont you think?

[nova harness]

It was with tech

You even use said tech to put it back

[thick jolt]

why do people keep ignoring the part of the second dream we disable/destroy the tech keeping lua in the void

if lua was in the void via a deal then destroying machinery wouldnt bring lua back to the origin system

[ruby pumice]

Is it implied in the quest that Lua was 'moved' using tech?

[nova harness]

Yes

[thick jolt]

not implied shown through objectives

[ruby pumice]

As far as I understand, the tech held it there

In the void

[nova harness]

And the same tech can put it back

Like it does

[thick jolt]

we also have the example of deimos being in the void and then being brought back out in necraloids opening speech to us during heart of deimos

[ruby pumice]

Deimos was in the void?

[thick jolt]

besides as i have said yesterday that line could very well refer to the empowered continuity ritual talked about in voruna's leverian

[nova harness]

You can see the Void underneath it

[ruby pumice]

I see

[nova harness]

And the Wally void

Is on Deimos

[ruby pumice]

Right

True

Well, whatever it is, time will tell. Until then we wait.

[obtuse gyro]

Loid: "We are in crisis, Tenno. Our defense against the Grey Strain has failed. The NECRALISK is in lock-down but it doesn't matter. The Infestation has compromised the very Heart itself. We have been forced to re-phase into Martian--"

[covert tree]

No it doesn't show the meeter so no

[strange trail]

Is there still no word on what alignment will actually do?

[thick jolt]

I dont think that will ever be a priority

[nova harness]

There was a word they said its cosmetic

[strange trail]

Oh okay

[amber terrace]

So is Arthur’s Nokia/Mobile Answering Machine whatsit gonna be important for 1999?

I hope that as we draw nearer and nearer, we’ll see messages on the answering machine

[balmy storm]

Yes, Arthur’s Pager will be important

It seems to be our physical link to 1999

[nova harness]

Does Kahl know we kill his brothers?

[real niche]

There's no shot he doesn't

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, there's another instance of "jeliira" in the new login music

[balmy storm]

Supposedly Mara can be heard in the lyrics near the beginning, if it is there then Mara meaning Child seems more likely

[viscid quarry]

Yeah I hear mara

[rain otter]

Why would the Detron Mara he called that then?

[nova harness]

Child Detron ftw

Maybe Mara Voidtounge and Mara gun name aren't the same

[rain otter]

This feels werid for it not to be especially if they are both from the Orokin Era.

[balmy storm]

They aren’t the same

[rain otter]

Idk

[balmy storm]

Its coincidental
Like the Sirroco weapon and the Sirroco cosmetic

[rain otter]

I mean this can both be the same we have many overlapping names.

[nova harness]

Voidtounge and Orokin are 2 different languages so it still could be

[rain otter]

Like especially in Orokin time people would be named the same as like object.

Like we have 3 different things named Aya.

That all seemingly come from the same base word.