spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

I like that I accidentally found an explanation for not knowing about other cephalons with "they don't want to talk to me"

We only know for sure that they happened after the crash

Not if anyone was glassed before

[balmy storm]

The crash?

[nova harness]

Cordylon spoiled the Sacrifice before the Sacrifice

[balmy storm]

That’s kinda funny lol

[nova harness]

Cordylon notes in entry 12 that while the Foundry otherwise cannot synthesize organic life, Infested tissue is an exception.

[zenith jacinth]

They should hire me to do a sequel to cordylon

[balmy storm]

Real

[nova harness]

Go work for DE then

Scraps notes

[zenith jacinth]

I already have a similar sense of humor
(Evidence: my favorite cordylon answers)

"Also, blue"

[balmy storm]

Scrap wdym by the crash?
Do you mean the jump or the sabotage?

[zenith jacinth]

Jump

Jump, crash, pretty much the same thing

[balmy storm]

They glassed people before the jump

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not good at jumping

[nova harness]

Go work for DE or I’ll make you eat the Void

[balmy storm]

Lol

Before the jump they were already glassing people and using them for on-board systems, they wouldn’t have been able to do so afterward as all the adults either went insane or were killed

[nova harness]

Who in their right mind made Scrap a Cephalon

[balmy storm]

Melica can reasonably be one such individual who was glassed and used, precepts keeping her in check as a teacher

[zenith jacinth]

My rj pilot would probably make the jump to tau just to fly straight into the closest asteroid there

Dude was probably hit over the head with one at some point

Probably

[balmy storm]

I very much so doubt Melica was a willing cephalon at all, its possible but unlikely as there isn’t really a way to know beyond interactions with her
And of those interactions a majority are after she’s already lost it

[rain otter]

Crash?

[zenith jacinth]

Some very stupid orokin

[balmy storm]

They meant the jump lol

[rain otter]

Which jump?

[balmy storm]

The failed jump

[rain otter]

Oh we know for sure they glassed before the jump.

[balmy storm]

The zariman’s failed jump to tau

[balmy storm]

That’s what I’m saying!

[rain otter]

Cuz Quinn literally did it with his "index"

I forget the name his tablet.

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm... "they" does feel more fitting somehow...

[balmy storm]

Hey, gender identity is something important to ask yourself about
If you feel it fits better then more power to you my friend

[nova harness]

Crystal index

[zenith jacinth]

I'm trying to figure some stuff out lately, been feeling slightly more comfortable and confident with every bit of progress

[balmy storm]

Heck yeah!
I’ve been on my own journey regarding other things personally
I wish you luck!

[rain otter]

What Ducky Said support always.

[zenith jacinth]

Same to you

[rain otter]

The Crystal index was used to glass people before the jump though.

Smile.

[zenith jacinth]

Both, everyone always needs luck

[nova harness]

How does glassing feel Scrap?

[balmy storm]

I imagine its uncomfortable

[zenith jacinth]

Not sure

[nova harness]

I’d rather be shot with the green beam of instant death ngl

[zenith jacinth]

I can try asking the grineer once I get nihil's sword, been too long since I got glassed

[balmy storm]

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah same

[zenith jacinth]

It's only a matter of scraping together about 300 more oxium

Why does a mostly glass sword need oxium

[nova harness]

Blame the Orokin

[balmy storm]

I imagine glassing is an incredibly disassociative experience where one still feels like themselves but only their mind, no sensation, no senses, not dreamlike but like severe sensory deprivation

[nova harness]

I remember making rocks in my dojo and a moon rock needed circuits

[zenith jacinth]

That's no moon

[balmy storm]

I wonder if there’s automatic precepts to account for an individual suddenly not hearing bodily noises they’re used to hearing, I’d imagine there’s an eerie silence once glassed

I could also see the initial pain of being glassed feeling like thousands of glass shards splintering through every part of your body until you don’t feel or see or sense, you just are a mind that’s being altered and changed on the whim of whomever glassed you

[nova harness]

I wanna glass Ballas and lock him in a random spot in the Void

[zenith jacinth]

Sounds about right

Force him to listen to ordis' many opinions

[balmy storm]

He’s too good for that, glass him and throw him somewhere worse

[zenith jacinth]

Put him into my part of the weave

[nova harness]

Put him in the camp with Ordis I’m sure they’ll get along great

[balmy storm]

Put him in a fish tank

[prime raptor]

Would the Grineer queens eat Ballas if we gave him to them?

[balmy storm]

No, but I can see them trying to steal his body

[rain otter]

It is a perfectly good Orokin Body.

[balmy storm]

Exactly

One they’d absolutely ruin with time but hey, they’ll take what they can get

Unfortunately only 1 queen remains and Ballas’ body is long gone by this point

[rain otter]

Only 1 remains active

For now. Dun Dah

[zenith jacinth]

She won't remain for long once I figure out where she's hiding

[prime raptor]

Worm Queen somehow looks harmless to me. I don't want her to die

[graceful thorn]

What if she tries stealing your body like the other queen did

[prime raptor]

Then she'll have to go to Tyl Regor's tube therapy

[solemn cloud]

Worm is more likely to try and take some pretty and young Ostron (but why then were they forced to use Grineer bodies if that were possible?)

Anyway, Queenie seemed like she wanted us because they wanted our power, along with our health. Worm will likely need a new body soon, regardless. She's already a danger in her current state, so she could be a force to be reckoned with in the future, if she takes on a new body.

[sharp isle]

grineer bodies are genetically engineered to be stronger iirc? and though they're degenerating, a grineer body might last longer than an ostron one anyway. just spitballing though

[ember mulch]

cant forget how long lived the people in warframe are
corpus can assumedly live for centuries given that darvo is 105(?) and considered a teen
Grineer probably have significantly shorter lives (ignoring our involvement, we're the #1 cause of young grineer deaths) but could still be longer than the average human

or not, they were originally genetic labour slaves

Worm queen should just possess corpus bodies, easy

[sharp isle]

we don't get to see too much of how normal life is in the origin system, so. they could have good reason. but the worm queen could also just have A Type™️ in the same way all Orokin seem to for their next bodies

[warm anvil]

i would love to just see a normal city or underground community that was hidden for a while

[sharp isle]

Closest we got is the Solaris. Normal people in a normal living situation.

[warm anvil]

that and cetus

[sharp isle]

Cetus has the eidolons and the Unum, they're far from a representative village

Whereas it's likely all Solaris are in debt and constantly under threat by the corpus

[scarlet basalt]

i hope that DE make more things for the murmur,like there are more than current ennemies

[sharp isle]

Same. Murmur lich when

[scarlet basalt]

murmur liche they give you an incarnon adapter

[tawdry socket]

Well, it was

It's kinda
Sentient-y, now

Still find it funny just how grafted he got for some stomach surgery, but actually didn't umbra's sword go right through him in Sacrifice? Cause that would be some lower spine surgery

[prime raptor]

A second after the release of the infested liches, I will already be asking when the sentient liches will be

[flat shadow]

Some folks have been asking for them for years already. Heck, we have folks asking for murmur liches.

[viscid quarry]

What do you expect when you unleash the sleep paralysis demons from the walls as an enemy faction?

[zenith jacinth]

The archons are better sentient liches

[nova harness]

Cephalon Liches when?

[viscid quarry]

No

[prime raptor]

Orokin liches could give prime variants to some guns that don't have them...

[nova harness]

Corrupted Orokin or Orokin Orokin

[flat shadow]

That could be an interesting method. I think it would be too confusing for newer players, though.

[prime raptor]

More likely corrupted, although both options can be done

[covert tree]

Probably if we ever get another lich type it'll be either sentient or maybe something void based

[noble beacon]

Is it just me or did i just realize entire sanctum anatomica is inside or under him

• at the bottom Theres a shadow of a tall humanoid with an missing right arm only visible when lightning is happening

[viscid quarry]

Yeah people notice that Wally is over the lab every so often

But not really in him

[noble beacon]

No no his head is directly on top of sanctum

[covert tree]

He's in the murmur parts only its just void bs

[viscid quarry]

Not really

He’s not so much as ontop of it but over it

[viscid quarry]

That’s just the sky there

[covert tree]

We know he's there he's looming over it not ontop

Also that sandy bit is technically a different place

Or am I wrong

[covert tree]

The sandy bit is an alternate place wich has been linked into sanctum

[viscid quarry]

That “sandy place” is iirc Wally’s bit of the void

Aka think of it as his domain

[noble beacon]

Also i didnt know the core of deimos was orokin like

At the right of him you can see an gigantic structure that resembles tech from orokin iirc

And i know for sure Albrecht did not do it himself

[thick jolt]

He did .....

Its albrechts labs for a reason

[noble beacon]

Thats impressive then

[ember mulch]

To be fair, its not that impressive of an overhaul when you think about venus

The orokin certainly has very drastic terraforming technology to have turned venus, basically a scorching twin of earth, into a cold planet

*not to mention the whole tau stuff

[noble beacon]

True that but i was saying it as, Albrecht doing that solo

[ember mulch]

i mean he do have robots

robots carry

[viscid quarry]

He’s also orokin

[ember mulch]

could very well see it as a solo since hes orokin and got cool robots

[thick jolt]

The labs have several parts that show it can still fabricate necramechs

[viscid quarry]

So he doesn’t really need to do it himself when he could hire a veritable army for that

[thick jolt]

Continuously replicating workforce

[viscid quarry]

Or have a veritable army of drones built

Aka what the lab is doing with the necramechs

[ember mulch]

corpus are recieving another copyright strike

now that i think about it thats a lot of continuously replicating workforces we fight throughout the game

[noble beacon]

Fair enough

[covert tree]

I know it's wallys domain expansion

[viscid quarry]

Ah ok

[fierce summit]

It is Wally. Now you are the man in his walls.

[visual shoal]

plot twist... Wally's not the man in the wall... we're the folks in his wall....

[covert tree]

I hope we get a quest based during the first war with the sentients

[nova harness]

We did

[covert tree]

Did we?

[nova harness]

Old War cinematic

[obtuse gyro]

Ex. The Erra cinematic where we watch hunhow assault lua

[covert tree]

Oh I ment a fully playable quest

[obsidian cargo]

tbf I'd love that too. To play within the Old War, maybe DE can add that later on, would be sweet if they gave us extra battle options and more methods of enemy execution as well. Like rolling on top of the back of an enemy, puching them in the guts to stun them, shooting their knees to let them kneel, etc. I know Shadow of Mordor was pretty good in the variety of its execution methods... If we had some execution movements more complex like that..

[visual shoal]

LOL like... so yeah... we're going back to 1999 so you get to re-live everything all over again, Tenno... Except this time via actual missions and quests, and not cinematic backstory...

[balmy storm]

The old war is something that happened in the tenno’s past
Going to 1999 is something that will happen in Drifter’s future
One fits as a cinematic cutscene and backstory, the other does not as it isnt a retelling of events that already happened

That being said it would be very cool to get more on the old war, but it’s something that already happened meanwhile 1999 has not

[nocturne kiln]

SO

crazy idea

one of the grineer queens has been missing for a while

Now, I know, I know

We killed her, Teshin killed her, we left her to die....

BUT

The consiracy theorist in me has spotted the next threat in 1999 besides the infested

[sour adder]

I thought it was implied that the queens would be alive in 99?

[nocturne kiln]

If WE could transference in...

Im just saying. All we need is some time waves from tampering with the time stream pr the Palimpset or whatever the orikin called it

maybe....

[sour adder]

We could take out both I stead of one?

Ngl that would be interesting if that’s what you’re on about

[visual shoal]

Ik Ik.... LOL just wishful thinking.... why ya gotta burst my bubbles 😭

[balmy storm]

Sorry, just being realistic 😔
Its good wishful thinking though cause it would be legitimately amazing to see more of the old war

[balmy storm]

The “sublime majesties” are the sun and moon figures we keep seeing
Not the confirmed dead grineer queen

[balmy storm]

They wouldn’t be

[nocturne kiln]

Maybe, maybe not

Could be a fun conspiracy

[balmy storm]

No, they’re very much dead lol

[nocturne kiln]

How do you know one isn't the elder twin?

[balmy storm]

There’s only 1 option that really allowed for her to live but in that scenario she explicitly is left to rot

[nocturne kiln]

w>

[balmy storm]

She’s gone, may she rot in pieces

[nocturne kiln]

We never see what happened

[sour adder]

That’s the war within, but we’d be going back in time to way way before that- >_>

[nocturne kiln]

w>

[balmy storm]

In 2 of the scenarios either we kill her or teshin kills her

[nocturne kiln]

I mean, we brought Vor back

[balmy storm]

The grineer queens were children during the orokin era.

[nocturne kiln]

In duviri

[balmy storm]

He had the Janus key and has a connection to the void

[nocturne kiln]

Oh God, you said it

[balmy storm]

[nocturne kiln]

He's a comin

[sour adder]

You said that they were very much dead 🤔

[balmy storm]

But fr, there’s no real way for either grineer queen, let alone the dead one to be in 1999

[nocturne kiln]

What

[balmy storm]

One of them is, the one who dies in the war within lol

[nocturne kiln]

Wait. Why did I get a warning?

Is it cause I said the v word?

But that's his name!!

[balmy storm]

But they were Orokin children who vibed with the Grineer and weren’t alive during 1999

[sour adder]

No there wasn’t an e at the end

[nocturne kiln]

I just got a warning

[balmy storm]

There’s no way for either queen to be in 1999

[nocturne kiln]

Then it disappeared

Ehat just happened to me

[balmy storm]

Idk

[nocturne kiln]

What in the transference static is making me lose my mind?

[balmy storm]

Loid dislikes you I guess ):

[sour adder]

Something something inappropriate for Warframe discord?

[balmy storm]

Mighta been the link you shared

[nocturne kiln]

Ah

Well... it was just V talking about how he was reborn

Tried to complete my joke

Sad face

[balmy storm]

Oh, maybe his speech is banned lol

Its very spammable

[nocturne kiln]

Ah, no, I looked at the gif. It ended inappropriately but I didn't watch it all the way through

Sadface but deserved

[sour adder]

Kekw

[nocturne kiln]

There, I'm done

Can we now talk about how aparently your housekey has the ability to keep someone alive indefinitely in the void? It's really wierd but also makes (no) sense in an eldritch horror setting like the void

[balmy storm]

The janus key is like a master void key iirc

I don’t think its known how exactly or why he’s still “alive”
If I had to take a guess his proximity to the key and his death resulted in him coming back similarly to the holdfasts, so he’s a conceptually embodied ghost of a human mind
But unlike the holdfasts he isn’t left incomplete and the Janus key acts as his light (for the holdfasts we are their light and for the angels its the finger)

Vor may also have ties to Wally now, iirc he has knowledge of him to some degree so this could also be a factor for why he’s still “alive”
If nothing else its probably why he’s in Duviri

[nova harness]

He tells you in a lengthy conversation

[balmy storm]

He does and I don’t have the bandwidth to go through his monologues atm

[nocturne kiln]

I doooo!

[visual shoal]

Weekend coming up... time to open up bandwidth.... speaking for self of course

Have any of you used the LFG chats and found good groups?

[nova harness]

I don’t even have recruiting set up in game I have it filtered to only show clan recruiting messages

[sour adder]

I don’t, personally. I either go solo or duo with my friend. For anything that isn’t hydron, that is.

[nocturne kiln]

"I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn"

[balmy storm]

Sounds like conceptual embodiment to me

[wicked remnant]

how to get the enlightened hate skin ?

[chilly pine]

you cant, not anymore currently

[hearty pendant]

can't anymore, clan operation exclusive likely
might return in the next, or one later

[visual shoal]

These events are usually once a year? or are they on some form of rotation?

[chilly pine]

varies, some events are annual, coming back around the same time every year. others are usually one offs and are whenever DE wants to run them (usually alongside a big update)

[visual shoal]

ah gotcha, thanks

[nocturne kiln]

Time for kiteer

[visual shoal]

Would Baro even carry event stuff like that? Then there's hope for a lot of other things i've missed over the years

[undone lodge]

Idk about Barro but sometimes non-regular event items can come back in an event

I remember 2 weapons came back with Belly of the Beast, and I’m pretty sure they came back for the one before that too

[visual shoal]

Ah yeah i snagged Gotva... this time... for collections lol

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think the hate skin will become a baro item, it's too special for that

[nova harness]

Which is why you listen to the words of Loid and be on time

[balmy storm]

He finds a lot of weird stuff in the void, I don’t think it’s an impossibility good it to appear there

[nova harness]

And a lot of weird people

[nocturne kiln]

Wasn't there that beam canon from the orb valis fractures in his inventory?

[noble beacon]

I think the Janus key healed him from first 3 fights and in the void he made a deal with Wally is what i believe

[noble beacon]

I think it was Wally talking to him through the key

[noble beacon]

Where

[shrewd sentinel]

It just hit me.....the hand that falls from the sky in the Duviri Paradox....is Natah's/Lotus's hand that Ballas cut off half way through The New War.
I am not sure why I never made that connection, I guess I kindof forgot.
Also, there's a parallel from the Operator being stabbed through the chest from the back, as well as the Drifter right before retrieving the hand.

Time is all wonky in the void so in a sense, the paradox lies in that the hand arriving allows the Drifter to eventually leave Duviri and be a crucial part of the loop that makes that hand be cut off in the first place.

[zenith jacinth]

The hand isn't part of any loop

[shrewd sentinel]

if it is Lotus' hand, how wouldn't it be? the Drifter wouldn't have broken from the endless cycle of being killed and restarting over and over

[thick jolt]

The hand cant be part of the loop precisely because it brings change

Drifter exclaims "this world can change?!" For a reason

[zenith jacinth]

It's the lotus' hand, yes, but there's no loop about it getting cut off

[shrewd sentinel]

Maybe loop is not the right word I am looking for, but it is a paradox.
The hand doesn't get cut off unless the Drifter receives the hand after it is cut off. that's essentially what I meant

if you consider the Drifter's involvement instrumental to the resolution of that timeline

[zenith jacinth]

The hand is cut off before the drifter part of tnw

[bleak dust]

Is the strun prime in the relics?

[shrewd sentinel]

hmm maybe i need to rethink it, I thought it happened before

so Duviri Paradox happens essentially halfway through TNW then?

[thick jolt]

The hand being cut has nothing to do with drifter

But the hand landing in duviri does help drifter escape duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[thick jolt]

Before during and after its why its a paradox

[chilly pine]

duviri paradox happens while youre logging back in

[zenith jacinth]

Not really, the quest definitely happens during the time skip

[noble beacon]

Remember Wally using her hand

[shrewd sentinel]

hmm remind me, when did this happen?

[thick jolt]

Handshake scene

[shrewd sentinel]

OH

im an idiot, i never connected that effect with it, but yes you are absolutely right

[zenith jacinth]

I was gonna quote the scene but I don't actually remember exactly what he says

[noble beacon]

I can save them...all of them...but YOU HAVE TO WANT IT

Lets say we shake on it

[zenith jacinth]

You just have to want it*

[noble beacon]

Insert funny smile

[thick jolt]

Yes really
Our operator helps drifter find the thrax doll and escape duviri

But if we are stuck in the limbo of our timeline as the lab pc puts it we couldnt help

But for us to escape our own loop drifter must escape theirs

And so on and so forth

[zenith jacinth]

Quest still for sure happens during the time skip

[shrewd sentinel]

Is it me, but while it may be entirely self-serving, Wally sometimes feels like he is more interestied in things happening the way they are happening more than anything.
Like arguably, it is helpful at times

[zenith jacinth]

It starts when the op gets stabbed and ends with drifter escaping to the messed up origin system

[noble beacon]

Wally is curious and wants to know about our world

[thick jolt]

Again for drifter to escape we need to escape ourselves

For us to escape drifter needs to have escaped first

Or do you think that when ballas sent us to the void we were just hanging out in the zariman interacting with drifter in duviri, only to afterwards forget drifter to the point we ask who drifter is during the new war?

[shrewd sentinel]

before/during/after i think is hard to apply when dealing with the Void. Part of the whole thing with it is that it is not linear, so yeah I can see that there is more to this that just a linear explanation for it. it is a paradox. Cause and effect are put on the blender and "frappe" is pressed

[zenith jacinth]

That part is paradoxical, but it's hard to argue about where during tnw it takes place in real space

[noble beacon]

Operator could also been recovering inside zariman the whole time

[shrewd sentinel]

which brings me back again to where I started (again, loop not the right word) but if you ignore the timing, I can't think that the drifter and the operator beign stabbed through the back is just a coincidence.

But again, "the whole time" doesn't have to be the same amount, time is not the same in the Void. I think if we are looking for it to be a 1:1 relationship in any way, it kindof goes against the whole narrative of what it is (and the whole eternalism, etc )

[zenith jacinth]

The stab 1000% isn't a coincidence considering it's a ghostly paracesis and ballas' line about sending the devil back to hell plays during it

[shrewd sentinel]

ok I need to replay or rewatch a playthrough, i am obviously forgetting some details from it

[chilly pine]

its mentioned in the sanctum reports that the operator was sent into their own timeloop when ballas "killed" them and drifter escaping duviri had also disrupted that loop

atleast from what i remember

[solemn cloud]

Both being "stabbed" at the same time is definitely intentional - because the next events line up as well:

Lotus' severed hand crashes to Duviri, just as Drifter is about to start another spiral.

[noble beacon]

"you cant kill a demon you can only send it back to the hell it came from"

[chilly pine]

think the quote was closer to "you cant kill the devil, tenno, but you can send it back to hell"

[zenith jacinth]

Just a little off in the wording but close enough

[zenith jacinth]

(And that's why I returned to the server after being gone for 10 months )

[chilly pine]

lol

[noble beacon]

This does sound better ngl

[noble beacon]

Yeah, its terrible memory and way too much lore to filter away

[shrewd sentinel]

https://youtu.be/VBWefqxvEPs?si=xISe--NoJrrcb_JX&t=257
Yeah man, see, i never noticed Parasesis being what stabs him, in my memory it was one of the guards

[noble beacon]

Having to dig through all warframe knowledge from lore to modding is a pain when trynna quote smt

[shrewd sentinel]

(linked to the timestamp)

[zenith jacinth]

My memory for useless information is infinite

[chilly pine]

im usually pretty good about remembering general stuff, but quotes not so much. did help mentally playing it back in ballas's voice and style

[zenith jacinth]

I think I'll try to figure out how to imitate ballas' voice just because

[solemn cloud]

My autistic writer brain can latch onto meaning and intention, more than the specific wording of something. Frustrating, but also helpful considering I'm ironically blind to social subtext.

[zenith jacinth]

It's either ballas or goro majima, both seem equally fun

[viscid quarry]

So most of us here?

[chilly pine]

wouldnt surprise me, i remember just about everything on most cod zombies maps but anything pertaining to the real world? nah

[noble beacon]

You ll need arrogance and ignorance in your voice

[zenith jacinth]

I still remember most of the void plume spawn locations

[viscid quarry]

That and genetically altered vocals

[viscid quarry]

That’s useful information

[zenith jacinth]

I can easily get tone right, it's the voice pitch and stuff that I need to work on

[noble beacon]

Nah just some voice training if your already near the range

[chilly pine]

i feel im one of those people who remember best when im actually using the information, i could sit and read a rules book but i find it easier to just hop in and learn mechanics and rules when they become relevant

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[viscid quarry]

It’s ballas

Your not gonna find anyone who wants to sound like ballas

But yeah you likely could get someone to sound like him

[noble beacon]

Besides the dumb stuff ballas did i like him or at least his orokin design

[viscid quarry]

….

We did it, we found the one ballas fan

[chilly pine]

does that make ballas fans more common than caliban ones now or nah?

[noble beacon]

I also like caliban just not his kit

[viscid quarry]

…

[chilly pine]

honestly calibans alright, in theory just not in gameplay

[noble beacon]

Like i said, i like ballas body more than ballas mind because he made the conscious decision to continuously build stuff that turned on orokin

[noble beacon]

On paper

[chilly pine]

yeah

[viscid quarry]

Not really

[viscid quarry]

He didn’t know it would turn on the orokin

[noble beacon]

Plus the conscious decision of turning ppl into warframes left n right

[noble beacon]

After the 3rd time you would think... Hm Maybe i should take a vacation

Maybe i shouldnt make smt

[chilly pine]

honestly i feel like the worst thing he did, was what he did with/to the tenno, poor kids scared to death, rejected by everyone, then turned into weapons. entirely justified in what they did to the orokin imo

well, maybe not entirely, but the orokin were crap

[noble beacon]

The tenno were not evil, they were forced to do evil things to survive

+they were technically still kids so they had 0 moral compass really

[viscid quarry]

These are the orokin

Morals are not their thing, nor are ethics or consideration to humans as they see themselves above humanity

[noble beacon]

Specifically ballas

Iirc he was in control of the warframe project

[prime lantern]

Caliban is atleast better than chroma

[chilly pine]

i mean, at the age they were (atleast the ones we see) theyd probably have some sort of moral compass, but ultimately theyre victims, victims that were meant to be used and then discarded, because thats how the orokin were.

[prime lantern]

Granted everything is better than. Chroma

[chilly pine]

chroma atleast has a use, one singular use

[noble beacon]

Oh you want to be cured? Heres an bacteria/parasite that turns your body into flesh like metal so you cannot get sick again

[prime lantern]

Caliban has the best defense strip and good shield gating

[chilly pine]

that i think is more 1999, than the original WF project

[noble beacon]

I love his sentients and how they make me waste ammo on them trynna kill em

[viscid quarry]

Except the djinn

[noble beacon]

Ballas walked around and eventually found nameless women who he turned into a warframe and later named dagath

[prime lantern]

That's not how that happened

[chilly pine]

the warframe project iirc used healthy individuals, some of whom were volunteers,

[chilly pine]

thats... not what happened with dagath, at all

[noble beacon]

Short form version

I know the story but rn its not important

[chilly pine]

dagath got her name from grandmother i think, and her situation was because of other orokin

[noble beacon]

Thats because i said later on

[viscid quarry]

Ballas didn’t go walking around til he found a nameless woman either

[chilly pine]

what you said tho suggests ballas had everything to do with dagath when he had nothing or very little

[viscid quarry]

He got commissioned iirc to make dagath with a face

[thick jolt]

Yup

[chilly pine]

dagath broke a promise to her orokin lovers, which got her critically wounded. those lovers had her turned into a warframe to save her.
when they decided they didnt love dagath anymore they had her executed, which failed, putting the hole in her face.

[noble beacon]

True that

[viscid quarry]

She then wakes up in a garbage truck

Makes a spirit version of her beloved horse and ends up haunting folk who don’t have gifts during naberous

She got the name from grandmother when she didn’t have gifts one naberous

[sour adder]

dagath gets assigned to an orokin couple

they love her because of “taboo”

had a rule that she couldn’t name her kaithe because it would “make her a person”

named it anyways

got in trouble and had face blown off by a beam o’ sorts
survived and haunts to this day

(Based off of a guy who did/does lore on warframes on yt, may or may not be right)

[zenith jacinth]

Dagath has lore?

[sour adder]

Yeah?

If I can find the guy on YouTube I’ll tell ya his name

[chilly pine]

theres a thing in dagaths hollow in the dojo that tells her story iirc

[chilly pine]

pretty much yeah

[zenith jacinth]

I dislike loretubers

[sour adder]

He’s the only reason I know her lore

I’m actually curious what the beam was because it did have a name

[fading current]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-grandmother-dagath/

[zenith jacinth]

Jade light?

[fading current]

“She lay down obediently when instructed, showed no emotion when the restraints clamped her limbs, and made not a sound when the full force of the dissolution beam blazed through her head and out of the back of her steel skull.”

[sour adder]

Dissolution beam! Yeah that uh..probably wasn’t the best move they could’ve made.

[wispy jasper]

No good decisions were made by the couple at any point in the story to be fair.

Also to be somewhat pedantic, Dagath wasn’t punished for naming her horse, which she did in secret; the couple were jealous of the horse and arranged a hit on it which accidentally injured Dagath as well.

[sour adder]

Ah. I have some of her lore wrong. Thanks

[tight pagoda]

Yep, and they still felt possessive of her, so they got Ballas to “fix” her, so he turned her into a Warframe with a smiling face.

The couple got bored because it’s heavily implied they only liked her as a Dax because relationships between the Orokin and Dax were forbidden but with Warframes it was less so.

[viscid quarry]

That and she was a warframe

Not really much emotion or romantic love to be had from one

[tight pagoda]

Considering that, as a Dax, she was probably only “in love” with them due to the restraining bolt…

Found a video with the full story from Grandmother (which you can view in-game in Dagath’s Hollow)
https://youtu.be/SNa9n6HG4pc?feature=shared

[fading current]

And I linked the transcript here if anyone just wants to read it!

[visual shoal]

Oh sorry that was from Baros relay ticket thing

[rain otter]

I don't think that's true.

[rain otter]

Well to stop her from dying.

They are a evil couple but let's be correct about it.

[tight pagoda]

Ah, yeah, I'm sure there's some things that I'm reading into a bit. The restraining bolt thing was definitely just an assumption.

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[noble beacon]

I wanted to buy it but i got on vacation

[nocturne kiln]

Hardest grafiti Ive tried to read...

[balmy storm]

k the peh

[nocturne kiln]

I translate what i can, it doesnt always make sense. Some of that picture was left out entirely because I couldnt read the characters

[fierce summit]

"eemam" is "eeh-ooh" or "you" (this is one of those "h" is too long so it looks like "m" but it isn't because it's still an "h")

So it's "Are you serious?" and "There is no (cure)", where I know that the last word is "cure" because this graffiti is used elsewhere with the word "cure" visible.

[balmy storm]

Could an99 be 1999?

[nocturne kiln]

I think its referring to 1999 with the 99 but the An characters arent like the numbers

I also could be wrong with the 99 translation

[balmy storm]

Dang

[fierce summit]

I can make out "...k dth-ehm p-ae", or "...k them pay", which I believe is "Make them pay" since once again that line appears elsewhere.
Wake Up looks correct tho, "ooh-eh-k uhp" looks to be it

[nocturne kiln]

Also joins the agressive "Wake up" nicely. A call to action. Make them Pay, Wake up

[fierce summit]

It never occured to me that this says "Mall Service" because I originally read it as "No Service", which also makes sense but not as something you paint onto a phone booth.

[nocturne kiln]

I really wish I could make out that small strip of paper above the number pad but I think thats a bit beyond me

[fierce summit]

Here ya go; ignore the "no service" because that should actually say "mall service".

[nocturne kiln]

All hail the hypno - toad Cat

[fierce summit]

Wow this one sucks. I think the second word is either "p-r-awd" or "f-r-awd", i.e., "prod" or "fraud" but that first word is illegible
And for once I don't have outside knowledge from this line appearing elsewhere because I've never seen this one before

[balmy storm]

What about proud?

[nocturne kiln]

Speaking of Fraud

[fierce summit]

I don't think so because the "ow" vowel is unlikely given the shape. It's either an "aw" or an "uh" over the final "d", "ow" would be a distant third possibility.
("aw" looks like a z, "uh" looks like a backwards c, and "ow" looks like an o someone forgot to close)

[nocturne kiln]

Might work... No guarentee though. We're trying not to guess without basis

[nocturne kiln]

We've had words be mispelled before though

Eitherway, we have no basis other than guesswork, which isnt good

[fierce summit]

WAIT THAT'S THE SAME GRAFFITI

[nocturne kiln]

Is it?

[fierce summit]

And of course half of it is cut off

[nocturne kiln]

Sorry, I'd get a better angle if I could but its too late now

[fierce summit]

Look at the last two symbols in the first word - it's a "d" with an "ah" over it and an "h" or "m" with an "ee" over it
Those are the same two characters that can still be read from the first word on the Big Bytes example
And then the entire second word matches

And then look at the silver motif in the background of those two words; it's a rectangle-ish shape with some lines radiating out from it and it's on both

[nocturne kiln]

Well, Ive done a lot tonight. Its getting late and up next are vending machines with some pretty legible buttons. I think Ill save those for tomorrow. I only wish I knwe when you got on Paest because its usually midning or one in the morning when we look at these. Im tired.

Hopefully Ive helped make some sense of... something

[fierce summit]

I'm more or less lurking the whole day... I have work but it's remote and contract-based so I can basically peep in here whenever I want >:)
It's also midnight for me too btw

[fierce summit]

Still stumped by the mystery word but I think "The Promised Land" is incorrect; I've got
"dth-ihs ooawz p-l-ahn-d", which is "this was planned" (double-vowel over the "z" to create a w sound followed by a "aw" for "was")

[nocturne kiln]

That could also work.

probably works more than what i got

I hate the run on sentence structure

[fierce summit]

The words could definitely use with more obvious spacing

[acoustic wharf]

so I've gotten to max rank with Solaris United, but apparently there's something supposed to happen where they "reveal" themselves - this is not so for me and I was wondering if there was any way to fix this so that it works as I've seen?

[solemn cloud]

Check your settings and if you have "creator mode" turned on, it will hide things like that to prevent spoilers.

[acoustic wharf]

Ah right, forgot that since I haven't streamed in like a year and a half now lol. Thanks.

[supple dagger]

I can talk about new war in here right?

Nvm I read pinned LOL uhhhhhh does picking drifter vs operator make an impactful difference in the lore?

[obtuse gyro]

No

[nova harness]

No they have the same void silhouette

[obtuse gyro]

Not the same, together they have 2

[tight pagoda]

During the quest it’s just personal preference

[solemn cloud]

It only matters for who you want to see in the cutscene at the end - and after TNW you can freely swap back and forth between Operator and Drifter.

[clear seal]

When lotus was in eidolon mode she attacked us right?

Could’ve sworn she said she used us

But like she was being toxic too

Did the quest a long time ago

But like in general she’s a horrible mother

[balmy badger]

She wasn't herself at the time, she was more Natah than Lotus. She only started acting closer to Lotus again when she saw the Operator.

As Ordis said: "She's full-on Sentient, she doesn't know who you are!"

[nova harness]

Its funny how Ordis says that but the word that stops her is Tenno

[viscid quarry]

More accurately it’s when a child appears

-# a non capellan child

[obtuse gyro]

good thing the transcript exists so people can fact check themselves

[viscid quarry]

If they do that

[nocturne kiln]

Ah yes, driven nearly insane, half undead, and being manipulated.... Toxic behavior

[wispy jasper]

The narrative delivery of Lotus' character arc is I think confused by some due to the length of time between the Sacrifice and the fruition of the New Ware, but I always try to encourage anyone looking at the whole thing in reflection to consider these major points:

The amount of self-actualization Lotus must undergo to keep coming back around to protecting the Tenno when every other important character in her story consistently and horribly wrongs her is a huge testament to her strength of character.
The parallel journey of the tenno to grow up from under their mother-figure's protection and take charge as protector and Lotus to find herself in truth outside of this assigned role and freely choose her path forward is pretty central to both characters.

[noble beacon]

Infestation is smt like an infohazard? Got it

[noble beacon]

She was dying + we put some arch shards into her

[clear seal]

Do you think she would’ve done the same?

[noble beacon]

Such sentient power can influence the mind + dont forget shes an mimic which served many roles so that can mean she thought we were someone else

At the end she even says, all these voices in my head are speaking and they all fight for dominance, Maybe you can choose which guides you

Smt like that

At time of death the brain goes through all past memories(actual proof) and maybe this caused lotus to attack us while having a flashback

[swift spoke]

I don't mean to hand wave away questions about Lotus/Margulis/Natah attacking us, but perhaps waking from near death in an unfamiliar place with multiple personalities - including the vestiges of actively murderous archons - and a person that she does not recognize is not conducive to peaceful discussion

[noble beacon]

This

[wicked iron]

In fairness, she didn't think we were someone else, Drifter was indeed someone else. She knew it wasn't the Tenno from The Second Dream.

[nocturne kiln]

Injecting core programming into a machine is unlikely to not have a major effect on how the machine operates without recalibration

[zenith jacinth]

And that unknown person claiming to be a tenno despite clearly not looking like one

[noble beacon]

Nor having the powers

[nocturne kiln]

Also using orokin technology (ordis/orbiter)

[noble beacon]

Yup

[nocturne kiln]

Also somehow having the ability to take down massively powerful sentients like the archons

[noble beacon]

True

"i have no void powers but i solod 3 of the strongest warriors the orokin send to the old war"

[swift spoke]

Honestly my biggest question would be not about why she attacked and more the lack of hesitation from Lotus and Margulis. But I guess it's entirely possible an Archon fueled Natah is just About That Life and took the wheel

[visual shoal]

Ahhh, don't worry. I'm sure your vacation triumphed over a gotta. Also I'm pretty sure he will carry it again so just keep a lookout for it.

[noble beacon]

True tho

• it was very expensive for just a ticket for a limited time

[nocturne kiln]

*The sentients created from prime warframes

[noble beacon]

True

Well Yes and no, they were created during the war when iirc ballas walked over the battlefield picking up pieces of primes and sentients and fused em

[nocturne kiln]

Oh yes, the man who betrayed the orokin empire by purposefully putting the sentients in a position where they'd be resentful, thus causing all the hardship your people have, abused your best friend and then wanted to use you as a 1:1 replacement for her is something we should downplay to just being part of the orokin

not to mention how he left her to die when she burned out

[noble beacon]

True

Ngl imo spiders should be fine in warframe as Theres already weird gore and interesting quests

[viscid quarry]

I doubt that’s all on purpose

[noble beacon]

Anyway, i cant wait for aug 21

[noble beacon]

Wdym

[zenith jacinth]

Erra

[noble beacon]

Ty for correcting your right

[nocturne kiln]

I admit, Im a little curious as to how a tauric frame could work. I'd assume it'd count as some kind of exaulted weapon, or like Sevagoth's shadow or Titania's razorwing so the noble and agile animations of the base frame could still be used on other warframes

[noble beacon]

Sounds interesting, an frame build from tau

[plush swan]

"Tauric" meaning "centaur-like"

[noble beacon]

Aaah

I thought tauric as in tau + name for civilization

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't there a frame with animations sets that other frames can't equip?

[noble beacon]

They can it just shows half of the animation

Like Harrows and his weird thing

[zenith jacinth]

Styantax error's animation sets always summon the shield even on other frames, right?

[graceful zodiac]

It wouldn't. It's the same reason why Voruna doesn't move around on all fours. It'd be too much with making an entirely new animation model and making it work with everything

Or rather for Voruna, she only moves on fours, but all combat animation are the usual stuff

[prime lantern]

They need to make her 4 a pseudo exalted

[noble beacon]

DE missed the opportunity to make voruna on all 4s on her 4

[noble beacon]

This, we need it to be either modable or stat stick based not its own melee

[nocturne kiln]

That's why I brought up sevagoths shadow. It doesn't share animations with anything does it?

[graceful zodiac]

I wouldn't know, but the Shadow works because it still uses the regular animation model

DE could easily apply out to everyone of they make him a general melee stance

[nocturne kiln]

You could have parts of the animation "hidden". Like either making the legs invisible when switching forms or pulling them up like mandible while extra limbs do the moving

[zenith jacinth]

The shadow is very scuffed looking

It technically has a full regular body, most of it is just invisible

[viscid quarry]

Eh I’d say make it so that you can mod the wolf pack overall

[graceful zodiac]

You could, but the issue is the amount of work you'd have to put in to make every animation work a one off model

[zenith jacinth]

Ephemeras that fully cover a frame's surface reveal the body

[viscid quarry]

Not like all 4 individually but let them be modded with pet or sentinel mods

[graceful zodiac]

Is the same reason Pablo has said they aren't planning to do anything about Umbra

[nocturne kiln]

True. I know we're not likely to get one... but the cost of development wasnt what I was wondering about. Only how it could work

I like my idea of pulling up the legs so they look how some spiders raise their mandibles while being threatening

[graceful zodiac]

That would likely run into model size issues, like you can see when kubrows go for finishers

[noble beacon]

Yes great idea

[nocturne kiln]

I hope we get a good old fashioned pump shotgun in 1999. Specifically something of similar profile as a mossburg shotgun

Having a choice between an AK and a pump action is just

Then there's also those daggers Amir had...

[ivory dagger]

There's a "This what you are" motif in the 1999 trailer

[solemn cloud]

Yeah it's a signal to us that this is the moment in the quest that we as Drifter appear and take over.

Presumably in whatever Warframe we have equipped - but for the purpose of the trailer, they used Excalibur.

[fierce summit]

Still waiting to find out if we somehow time travel our frames back (meh) or if we send our model info to the past so that the not-a-Helminth can construct a local warframe copy for us to use (dope). It's probably going to be the former but I can dream.

[tight pagoda]

A similar motif plays during the See It in The Flesh somachord (the combat music for the 1999 bit in Whispers)

[solemn cloud]

I'm convinced it's actually the latter - we use transference into a Warframe copy in the past.

Right before that scene with Excaluibur, Arthur experiences a momentary transference surge (the qte) and then we appear instead.

[fierce summit]

It makes the most sense for lore purposes but I'm not sure how our fashion (which is a critical game mechanic) would get back there as well. Like I would be infinitely more certain in the local-Warframe theory if only we didn't have drip.

[balmy storm]

I wonder how the gemini skins will work lore-wise

[balmy storm]

Because the infestation can’t make drip?

[solemn cloud]

It's just more stuff for not- Helminth to recreate. Not sure why it wouldn't be possible

[fierce summit]

Well yeah, some drip at least. We know Helminth doesn't like gold bits because they hurt his tum-tum.

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t mean it can’t make them
Helminth made primes but it won’t eat them

[solemn cloud]

That's our Helminth. We don't know anything about proto-Helminth

[balmy storm]

This too

The techrot helminth may be able to recreate more things

[solemn cloud]

It may be able to replicate metal bits more efficiently, since that strain seems more attuned to technology, than ours.

[fierce summit]

I suppose. It just stretches my suspension of disbelief if a helminth spits out a fully-functioning lucra syandana complete with working electronics and a live feed to the corpus stock market... unless of course it could do that the whole time

[balmy storm]

Also fashion is a gameplay mechanic to some extent, not every deluxe is canon afaik but can be used in quests so

My verv syandana is so lore accurate

Or whatever that failed streaming service was

[brazen cloud]

i think we get to upgrade our helminth in our orbiter with the techrot one

would make sense imo

[scarlet basalt]

The new way to make specter 😭 ???

[amber terrace]

What’s the thematic importance of the phrase “We end as we began.” It’s present in the requiem poem that Albrecht reads in the Necraloid vitruvians, it’s the final line in the Albrecht’s Notes fragments(kinda), and “Albrecht” says the line in the final cutscene from Whispers In The Walls

It has to mean something

[balmy storm]

We end as we began

[amber terrace]

My brain is a smooth gray jellybean, I don’t understand

[balmy storm]

It means we will end as we began

If we began as nothing we end as nothing

[solemn cloud]

It speaks to a cycle - but we don't have the exact context yet.

[viscid quarry]

*I will repair what I have broken, no more and no less. The scales must balance. And in such a monstrous penitence as this, I shall take no heed of the dust that may fall upon them on either side, the dust of petty lives.

The builders of old tempered their mortar with blood, to appease the most ancient of land-spirits. We should have been so wise. Yet it is not too late to learn.

The sands fall. The circuit completes. I return to the place of the beginning.

Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;
The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.*

(Sorry I had to)

[balmy storm]

[amber terrace]

The most my micro brain can make of it is that it might be referring to the state of the game in a nauseating meta sense, like we started with the system in chaos, with everyone at everyone else’s throats, and that’s exactly how the system will be when(more hopefully if) the game ends

[plush swan]

Probably something about Albrecht's seemingly Sisyphean struggle to escape Wally.

[nocturne kiln]

Im going to assume it will be umbra. Itst he only warframe everyone would be guarenteed to have at this point. Either that or they give you a generic excal. No way they dont have that sword clash in the game

[nocturne kiln]

Its easier to make sense if you remember the "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" saying. Before we are living, we are unliving. After life, we are unliving. We end as we began.

[tight pagoda]

Yep, I think the same thing. Maybe within the quest it’s all like “We need an infested machine to cross the fold between here and 1999, your Warframe won’t be able to handle it without going berserk— oh, but Umbra’s nearly sentient, he can handle it!”

And then as the quest progresses you find a way to get your other Warframes through

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, the difference between umbra and your standard frame is autonomy, not sentience

The point of the sacrifice was that frames were all like that, save for the autonomy

If your standard frame is going to go berserk, so would umbra

[nocturne kiln]

Not exactly. Umbra already went berserk. He was tempered by the Tenno. He already knows how to deal with the rage

[prime lantern]

Did

Did you play the sacrifice on mute?

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra being "tempered" by the tenno is what the tenno do for all frames

This does not change that whatever happens to the standard frame would happen with umbra

[nocturne kiln]

Other warframes lose what could be considered thier humanity. Umbra still has reasoning.

[sharp isle]

personally don't know if the warframes even went 'berserk' tbh. Ballas ain't the most reliable narrator, after all. Umbra attacking the operator could be explained by a number of things, from Umbra not wanting the kid to get in the way to being mistaken and thinking the operator was on the Orokin's side still.

[obtuse gyro]

Based on Loid and Albrecht's comments regarding Dante and the protoframes, as well as what happened with the early rhino-type, warframes going berserk is on the docket

[sharp isle]

Mmmmm. Yeah Dante could be handwaved by the void, but protoframes I ain't got nothing for :P

[obtuse gyro]

Ok, doesnt change that what the tenno do for umbra, theyve done for all the frames. Umbra having autonomy does not detract that the frames all lose their caca, and the operator takes their pain away

[sharp isle]

then again Albrecht was Orokin

[nocturne kiln]

Umbra went mad with grief. He lashed out at any and all, relying on his dax training to let him unleash his vengence in the most effective way

[obtuse gyro]

Handwaved for the void not really, he was one of the lucky ones that still had their caca together

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht told the protos about what theyre getting into, he and them recognise that their mental state may not last

[sharp isle]

that just means there's variation between different frames. which is cool, I like complexity

[zenith jacinth]

There's been quite a few frames with that in their lore recently

[obtuse gyro]

Correct, but that means the usual default is going unpocoloco

[obtuse gyro]

Like 3, and one of them is one foot in the loony bin

[sharp isle]

yeag I'm more meaning his experience with Warframes is colored by being Orokin, which means a potential rebellion would've gone against him too

[obtuse gyro]

No 4, and 2 of them are a foot in the loony bin

[zenith jacinth]

Still more than I expected

[sharp isle]

i think it's more than 4, also. Jade does her own thing, Limbo writes a journal of his travels, Umbra, Dante, Mirage, Revenant and Inaros maybe????

it gets confusing with some of 'em albeit because. some have operators, some don't, and it's not always made clear

[obtuse gyro]

Limbo, Mirage, Rev and Inaros are not indicated to have no operators

Reminder than Limbo and Mirage are pre-TSD frames, you wouldnt encounter an operator mention in their quests

The secret is not revealed to you

[sharp isle]

right, good point

[zenith jacinth]

There's also kullervo

[obtuse gyro]

Kullervo is in Dante's boat as the only 2 known gen 1 frames

I.e built without operators in mind

[sharp isle]

Mmmmhm. Dagath doesn't go berserk, but she also doesn't seem completely there anyway

er, she does after getting laser'd maybe? i forgor 💀

[obtuse gyro]

Dagath kinda uh, went back and killed the couple, I say that counts

[obtuse gyro]

After getting lazered she regained her autonomy

Headcannon is laser to the face the transference bolt goes kaput

[sharp isle]

mmmm. cool life hack

[zenith jacinth]

Oh right I knew I forgot something after finally getting done with voruna farming. I still need to check out dagath lore

[sharp isle]

It's some of the first lore I read about tbh

[zenith jacinth]

I didn't even know she had lore until a few days ago

[sharp isle]

i'm. still not fully convinced that calling warframes 'berserk' isn't just a way for the Orokin to clean their hands of their sins tbh.

like, for Dagath. Yeah, she killed her former lovers, but they did also just shoot her in the face

and i don't know if the super Grendel and Gauss bros. whole story was before or after tsd, since they were released in my dead years >.>

[obtuse gyro]

Oh sure its not cleaning the orokin of everything

Its one thing for your biodrones to go crazy, its another for them to have instant beef with you

[sharp isle]

yeee, that's really the big thing I'm stuck on. Especially after being tortured and having one's brain essentially disconnected from control over one's own body

to say nothing of how being duplicated in foundries must feel

[obtuse gyro]

Dont think it feels like much, aside from being alive again

[sharp isle]

I hope so. don't like the idea of having my brain 3D printed tho lmao

[obtuse gyro]

The fortunate thing is that based on Jade's pov, the operator doesnt arrest control from the frame, they really do try to soothe the frame in some sense, even if jades operator got uno reversed lol

[sharp isle]

the canon operator really seems to have a nack for soothing frames

if not all of 'em. Ballas' whole thing at the end of the sacrifice makes it sound more like mind-merging than mind control

[obtuse gyro]

You ever watched Kamen Rider?

[sharp isle]

nope, but I have had friends infodump about it to me and I've seen the one where the guy and his motorcycle both transform

[obtuse gyro]

Damn thats all of them

[sharp isle]

lmao

it's the goth lookin' one

[obtuse gyro]

Anyways, Kamen Rider W, two people share one body

[obtuse gyro]

With a an orange mask?

[obtuse gyro]

Not exactly the same as a warframe since both people still moce

[sharp isle]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-ichigo-henshin-motorcycle-typhoon-gif-5590276691924557847

this one

[sharp isle]

but yeag that sounds about right. closer to mutalistic possession

[obtuse gyro]

Oh the remade series, very nice

[zenith jacinth]

...now I feel like I have to deal with the vainthorn farm. That story is too good for me to just leave the bps to rot in my inventory

Also, is the music from that obtainable for the somachord?

Doesn't look like it is

[sharp isle]

uhhhhhh I don't think it is yet, no

[near rune]

Looks like "espresso", "hazelnut", and maybe "regular"?

[nocturne kiln]

Oh good, I was hoping to run into either you or Paesty

I was analyzing this message with Paesty earlier and we had to stop due to obscuration or bad angles. We're trying to figure out this grafitti

[near rune]

I concur with "fraud" but the first word is unclear to me. Looks like "F?ADEeH". The letter you translate as O doesn't seem in the right place for a vowel but I don't know what it is.

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah. I decided to go with what it looked like rather than the placement. There are no such round shapes outside of the vowels

[near rune]

"Duvowl" is "double"

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, that makes sense

[prime raptor]

As an old player, I don't really understand the current quest progression for new players. First, we play as a warframe, then we have to explore open locations, reach Saturn, after which we get the Duviri paradox, and only after the Duviri paradox do we get the operator quests. After that comes the New War, and then the Angels of Zariman. Why do we get the drifter's story before getting the operator or before Zariman? Maybe I forgot some logic of progression, but wouldn't it be better for us to first get the operator, then go through Angels of Zariman, then the Duviri Paradox, and only then, having seen the history of both characters, meet them in the New War?

Perhaps placing the Duviri paradox after the New War and/or after Angels of Zariman would also be correct, but at the moment I don't understand why we need to go through the Duviri paradox when we don't know about the operator or Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

while I understand your confusion, and agree that duviri should be available only after TNW, duviri is not part of the required quest list to progress

you unlock duviri, and then you can skip it until after TNW, but the fact of the matter is that it is unlocked

the philosophy from what I recall is that DE just wants you to be able to play the cool stuff soon, so they still kept it quite early despite removing it as an alternate start for warframe

[fierce summit]

Wow a perfect clean shot and I still have no clue what that first word is. Is the first letter an F or a P is the last letter an H or an N and what on earth is that second character? It looks like an R but I don't know if it is! My best guess at this point is some kind of proper noun that we're just not privvy to yet.

[solemn cloud]

It's the paradox of live service - that new expansions have to come after older ones, but also need to be made available to new players ASAP - for both growth and retention.

[fierce summit]

Gonna agree with you there

[noble beacon]

Espresso
Hazelnut
Dual

Ah someone was earlier

[wicked cairn]

Klawaetn could be "Claritin" or "Clayton" but I feel like it's kind of a stretch

[fierce summit]

Looking at it closer I might have missed a nearly-invisible "oo" above the "l", which would give us "k-ool aw-aet-n" or "Cool Await ???"
I still don't know but as far as indecipherables go it's very much on the "spend some time with it and it should make sense."

[noble beacon]

Its for ice coffee

[wicked cairn]

I honestly keep forgetting that iced coffee is a thing

[noble beacon]

I love bottled coffee from supermarket fr, especially when you approach the sketchy zone of caffeine after drinking 5 in 1 sitting

I personally never did it i just checked the caffeine amount

[wicked cairn]

I've honestly been more of a tea guy, I can't really stand the taste of coffee imo, too bitter for me

[noble beacon]

Just add sugar and or milk..

Before someone says it, Yes tea contains caffeine, a small amount but an amount none the less

[wicked cairn]

I have, it's just Idk if I still have the aftertaste when i sip it the first time, but it still tastes bitter

[meager sapphire]

yes

[wicked cairn]

I've honestly really been loving the Eldritch Horror sort of direction that DE's been going towards with Warframe's lore recently, I've always been a fan of lovecraftian stuff so I got really giddy when I played through Whispers of the Wall

[tight pagoda]

There was a discussion here about the Drifter’s hand being restored after the Duviri Paradox and before the New War

I’m watching the cutscene with the conversation between Drifters and Operator during New War, and for a brief moment, Drifter’s hand glows— though this might just be a sign about the deal.

[zenith jacinth]

Is it during the handshake

[tight pagoda]

It’s before they sit down at the table, and right before you choose who you finish the mission with

Though the Drifter says something like “guess that’s my cue to leave” when that happens, which does make it feel more like the Eternalism side of things rather than however they got their hand fixed

[nocturne kiln]

I'm just gonna say they had a long time after coming to the orogin system to find out how to fix it

[wicked cairn]

I mean it’s kind of implied that Drifter goes back into the origin system during the events of new war. Since there can really only be one version of our tenno in the continuity at a time

[nocturne kiln]

Implied?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121442158891892736/1272036776630026381/image.png?ex=66b98410&is=66b83290&hm=a7d428a47c1ed1028231d68a96b4a65b2b6da866522a9892f14b3a0a01781c2f&

And that's besides playing the whole quest and all that

I dont understand how you could think they hadn't

[wicked cairn]

I meant, as in pretty recently, with Operator getting trapped in the void and their own history and all, I know that’s exactly what happened, but it always felt like to me that, when drifter shows up during new war, they just got there very recently, and maybe learned what they needed to know from either Ordis or our Codex

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, that's probably just existence getting angy over the same person existing twice

[scarlet basalt]

One thing i'm thinking is that, if song seems to affect the void
For example Soprana to " bridge the gap between worlds with her song."
And Luscinia to sing to calm Dominus thrax.
Could songs be a way for the infested to stop the tenno? Somehow it jams the "instrument" of the railjack which are not the turret btw, idk if it means the Main artillery,cannon,etc...

[obtuse gyro]

My thoughts are more songs have a concrete affect on the psyche of people which then relates to their mental state influencing the void

[scarlet basalt]

Now that the infestation are getting that, maybe it means that it will have an effect against us ?
Like if we consider that the infestation is just a big organism maybe it's their "white blood cell" trying to go against the tenno which is considered for them as a parasite 🤔 ?

[wicked cairn]

Special variant of toxic that halves our health when in their presence

Probably won’t happen, but it’ll be an interesting way to make the infested liches more difficult

[scarlet basalt]

so the regular toxin eximus 😭 ?

[wicked cairn]

Yes but steel path and also worse

[zenith jacinth]

I would personally go to DE and delete the update from existence if they did that

[wicked cairn]

Give them a ranged grab to welcome you to the slam too😈

[noble beacon]

I think it means smt like the transference bolt but for rj

[noble beacon]

I think the void angles and infested are more connected than we think after watching the gameplay teaser

[upper patrol]

erra keeping track of how many of his archons got beaten to a pulp by 4 madmen that keep having to jump in a spiral motion

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-thank-you-another-one-tally-tally-marks-gif-10112569362863026414

[noble beacon]

Erra is ded tho

[obtuse gyro]

Still alive in pazuul

Like literally fighting pazuul on the inside

[noble beacon]

Huh

He became pancake right

[scarlet basalt]

yeah the slingshot felt like it couldn't work because of songs
One thing i thought is that it would "Soothe" the reliquary drive, making us have a hard time

[noble beacon]

It is kinda counter intuitive knowing its powered by Wally finger

[scarlet basalt]

Well, isn't that the point ? Like idk the infested hate us so they don't like us having void artifact that boost a railjack

[nocturne kiln]

There's a couple of things here. One is that duviri is based off of a an orokin book for children which is a story about emotions. Songs have always been tied to emotional expression which, if you want to add on warframe's examination of science could also be linked to a philosophical view about responses to auditory waves and patterns with the right frequency and the further math that can be thrown into examining music mathematically and spiritually.

In the same vein, as for the infestation, that's looking more along the lines that humans can be programmed somewhat through sound. Omewhete between Pavlovian reactions and the signals of the markers in dead space. It's quite tantalizing to assume there may be some science to explain why our brains retain songs that get stuck in our head. Without much study, you can indulge in the creative setting that a song could be doing something to us.

Now, the difference here becomes much different as we are looking at a realm that is affected by sense of sm3ll as much as the laws of physics since both of those are "rules of reality" brought in from outside the void. As a foreign concept to this alternate dimension, they don't quite work the way we would expect them to as the void does not "understand them". Reality's rules have as much strength as a child's imagination.

With the infestation, this is more exploring the idea of how our biology could be turned against ourselves. Cancer cells that controll your body, foreign agents causing horendous mutations, and now the idea of biology being programmed like a computer through the use of sound engineering.

[scarlet basalt]

Can you explain it in a more grineer way pls

[nocturne kiln]

Void about the mind affecting reality. Infestation about how weaponized cancer is body horror

Not the same. Void explicitly stated to be incompatible with infestation

Void talk about song affect mind/soul/reality of void. Infestation use music to reprogram/prime you for infestation

[scarlet basalt]

yeah i see 😔 would have been interesting if it could affect transference

[upper patrol]

lotus is natah but not marguilis

natah is the lotus which is a shapeshifter disguised as marguilis @karmic rain

[karmic rain]

Alright

[obtuse gyro]

They meant for the final option to choose, I dont think theyre asking about it lore-wise

[karmic rain]

I'll just pick lotus

[upper patrol]

Oh you mean that

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus primed

[karmic rain]

Yea final opinion

Worng spelled but uh I picked the lotus

So it doesn't matter

[nocturne kiln]

I will say, I wish you could rechoose her name.

Sometimes I dont want Margulis, sometimes I want the Lotus.

[nova harness]

Then change the skin

The name doesn't reałly matter

[nocturne kiln]

That doesnt change the name for me

I-

Did you miss the part where the name was what I was talking about?

[nova harness]

The name doesn't matter in the grand scheme of you wanting her to be Lotus or Margulis it is visual stuff that changes that

[real niche]

You're still missing the point.
They want to change the name.
The name is what matters to them

[nocturne kiln]

Cause, you know, I had no idea we could change the image afterwards. If I HAD known

[vale helm]

i font know if they fixed this or not but theres a chance that the game can bug and rechoose your option if you replay the quest

i changed mine from lotus to natah (DE please donot revert my change)

[real niche]

They did say to consider careful when making the choice...

Oh wait you mean the skin

[upper patrol]

ah ofc ill replay the 6 hour quest for a skin change

[vale helm]

no it dont change the skin tho

just the name

[nocturne kiln]

I just want the name changed. buyer's remorse

[upper patrol]

even more meaningless

[vale helm]

i mean all joe wants is the name

[nocturne kiln]

Look, i bought the radiant lotus appearance. I just didnt know you could change the appearance later

[scarlet basalt]

Railjack infestation also mean that they would have to make something for the crewmate, so you don't literally lose them 😭

[nocturne kiln]

Ill try playing the new war over again when I get home from work

[nocturne kiln]

They missed a big opportunity for Railjack prime with Sevagoth prime

[scarlet basalt]

what do we have with sevag prime ?

[nocturne kiln]

sentinal attachments and one of the halo things, which will instead be used as a feather in his hat than floating overh is head

[scarlet basalt]

Oh... No sevagoth ship prime 😔

[nocturne kiln]

ikr?

Tempestari remains the true railjack prime

[balmy storm]

I can kinda understand why they wouldnt do it but a prime railjack skin would have gone so hard

[vale helm]

nah i dont think its worth it cuz it only changes if your game glitches

[nocturne kiln]

so dont try it because the worst case scenario is being in the same situation im in??

[wicked cairn]

Would've loved to fly into battle, flexing on my enemies by rolling up in a gold-plated battleship

[balmy storm]

I mean you can still do that it just wont be “primed” 😔

[wicked cairn]

true, but that wouldn't have the same feeling of pulling up to a grineer or Corpus railjack mission and imagining them going "Oh no, he doesn't just have an orokin-era railjack, he has a Prime orokin-era railjack, we're so screwed, he's him"

[balmy storm]

Lmao

[wicked cairn]

that looks pretty convincing, but don't you also just wanna see what a prime railjack could look like? as in, officially?

[balmy storm]

It’s just not the same ):

[nova harness]

Don't disrespect my Walmart RJ Prime

[balmy storm]

Sorry 😶

[scarlet basalt]

To think that if they do that the prime access would cost like around 30 or 50 more lmaoo

[zenith jacinth]

Just for a skin? Doubt it

[scarlet basalt]

but it's a ship 😔

[zenith jacinth]

How much did nidus prime access cost? A mech skin seems comparable to an rj one

[nocturne kiln]

I do want that mech skin next time it comes back...

[undone lodge]

They knew the indecision between Prime and Tempestarii would be too great 😔

[upper patrol]

tempestarii prime

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[upbeat bay]

Guys what is the name of the prime shotgun that u use at the begining of the new war using kahl 175 or somthng like that jaja

[zenith jacinth]

Corinth

[upbeat bay]

niceee txs

[nocturne kiln]

*Corinth Prime

[zenith jacinth]

Well duh

"The name of the prime shotgun". Why would I need to add prime myself?

[scarlet basalt]

It would be not... Surprising if DE takes the siren mythology and integrate it to the infestation
I mean, now that they have confirmed that they use song,replica,creating creature...
I think it could actually make sen sense that current infestation would try to do a siren unit that lure their prey with a voice that cannot be resisted

Weird theory but imagine a siren unit against us lmao like it would try to corrupt the Warframe like how infested alad v boss fight do

Maybe there will be more infested unit that the current two we've seen in 1999
I sure hope

[zenith jacinth]

False hydra-based infested

[balmy storm]

False hydra void entity?

[zenith jacinth]

I don't know which one could be a creepier design

Actually, probably a void one

[formal grove]

imagine for the Infested lich tax system, they thank you for attending their concert, remind you to check out the souvenir shop, tell you off for ordering pineapple anchovy pizza, etc

DE please make this happen, especially the pizza one

[nova harness]

Or they could tax you for not paying and take mission credits

[formal grove]

"Look, buddy, I get you want to watch the concert and all, but you gotta pay the admission fee"

[tight pagoda]

Or some fake 1999 slang

[brittle juniper]

i got my first sister and I thought "You know what would be cool? Sentinel lichs." But then I realized thats jsut the archon people. but then I thought about lichs being able to just give you an amp, which led to the idea of amalgam and narmer lichs

also is tenet plinx any good, i got a 54% impact

[sour adder]

Totally not rad, Dude!

[brittle juniper]

so let the sister live?

[tight pagoda]

Kill her if you want, imo the Adversaries aren't much better as crew members

At the very least you can merge your Tenet Plinx with another Tenet Plinx of another element

[scarlet basalt]

They're opening up so much possibility for infested ennemies fr I feel like after void arc infested would have more weird ennemies fr
It wouldn't be far fetched if they reach for shielder units like a rioter in tower defense

[warm anvil]

i want hunt showdown levels of body horror

make the infested weird and creepy

[scarlet basalt]

Deimos infested were only weird
Not creepy, actually they can't be creepy in the context of Warframe, bcz like jugulus are terrifying iirc they're like 3 meter tall

Like imagine going up against a jugulus alone in first person
This lad shoot dart and smash the ground

[nocturne kiln]

Well, tried playing it again...Still cant change the name

4 hours gone... I really wish they let you change the name if you bothered to do the whole quest again

I doubt there's many people asking it to be changed but...

I really dislike the idea that I have something about my account that I need to "fix"

If I had known there was the ability to change Lotus's apearance, I would have gone with Lotus instead of Natah. But thats the thing about not looking up spoilers

I have heard before that DE unofficially is okay with people modding warframe as long as they're not giving themselves paid content. In otherwors, purely cosmetic

I wouldnt get my account banned for changing the name margulis in the files to Lotus, would I?

This just really sucks tonight...

mods are dead it seems

I hate how I cant fix a choice I made two years ago

[near rune]

I think they make it pretty clear in the moment you can't change the name.

[nocturne kiln]

Ive given the above reasons. Its been over two years and I didnt know we'd be able to change her appearance

[near rune]

I have not heard that. I would be extremely wary about doing it, myself.

[near rune]

Yeah I do get that it's this thing you can never fix. I can sympathise with you.

[nocturne kiln]

And thats just it. I dont like that I feel like I need to "fix" my account

Heck, if there was a way to reset story progress but let me keep my items, I'd do the entire story over again just to change this one decision

Well, I guess never go into warframe blind again. my fault for wanting the authentic experience with the questline

I just bought some platinum. Would love to be able to pay my way out of this

[tight pagoda]

The choice’s impacts won’t be too drastic, I feel

It’s not as though you’ll be locked into any specific endings with Lotus/Natah/Margulis

[nocturne kiln]

Agreed, but this is very frustrating for me tonight. It comes and goes. Sometimes I dont care, sometimes, like right now, it really bugs me

[tight pagoda]

It does seem purely cosmetic, considering that you can buy other skins that you weren’t initially offered

[nocturne kiln]

So, like I said

I didnt know that

Otherwise I'd have picked lotus

man, my original choice was purely because I didnt want her locked out of having hair

This would be a lot less annoying if she just had the name of the skin you have her use

I wish there was some kind of appeal form you could fill out, like how sometimes you can get refunds for items if, say, someone was playing on your account and bought something from the market. Had that happen once back in the day... My little brother bought shoulder armor he thought was cool

DE helped me out and reversed the transaction

checked warframe support. They cant change it

[solemn cloud]

I definitely get why for lore reasons, Margulis may not be the most appropriate choice, but thankfully it's only the identity she chose "to lead the others". In that sense choosing Margulis means they took on the likeness of that mother figure who cared for you after the void jump accident - and when coupled with the ability to change her appearance cosmetically, adds a touching layer to how she interacts with you, the Tenno.

It's a more human identity, and fosters a deeper connection with her (even if the identity itself isn't as genuine, as say, Lotus).

Now if you chose Natah and got stuck with Robo-Mom, I'd totally understand wanting to change it 😅

[nocturne kiln]

I wanted hair. That was it. If I knew we could change afterwards, I'd have picked lotus

[covert tree]

I picked margilus but changed to the pot skin I'm more annoyed about

We should be able to pick her name

[nova harness]

You can pick her name

[covert tree]

I ment after the quest

[nova harness]

But that wouldn’t fall in line with what replaying a quest really is

[grand fulcrum]

If helminth chargers are created by infecting a kubrow with the helminth, does that technically make them almost Warframes?

Weird question I know

[nova harness]

No, because they haven’t got sword steel

[grand fulcrum]

Wasn’t that a by-product of the helminth?

“Their flesh blossomed into sword-steel”

[ember mulch]

since the cyst was drained into the egg, the kubrow would've been born infested rather than becoming infested like a warframe
If anything a helminth charger is closer to our resident warframe baby orion/sirius than any other frame

[grand fulcrum]

True

[supple dagger]

we just finished the deep archimedea alchemy mission

actual worst mission of my life

[swift spoke]

Weird question however is Jade and Stalker's child effectively a Tenno with a natural Warframe body?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[swift spoke]

Just a Helminth kid?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

Unless the kid agrees to a pact with wally to get void powers like the tenno

[viscid quarry]

Which won’t happen

Atleast I doubt it would

[zenith jacinth]

And even then it's not a tenno because it's not a zariman kid

[swift spoke]

I'm not sure if Wally is necessary with Hunhow, but I'm not sure if the timeline works out where Sentient muckery is really relevant.

Also I'll accept that they're just a Helminth kid, but I did phrase it as "effectively a Tenno" for that exact reason of them not being on the Zariman.

[graceful zodiac]

They still wouldn't be a Tenno in any real way then

[swift spoke]

[fickle estuary]

They could have inherited void powers from Jade TBH, and they would probably be free from Wally's deal as well

Wait are all Warframe abilities void powered or is it just Xaku

I forgor

[zenith jacinth]

All are

[fickle estuary]

Bro got the perfect spawn

😭

[nova harness]

Even Stalker?

[zenith jacinth]

What else would they be powered by, his anger?

[visual shoal]

Well, if they do, hope they do get to another frame with dual aura...

[fickle estuary]

I love how Stalker is called the "Tenno hunter" despite only destroying like 8 frames and having 0 actual Tenno kills

[nova harness]

Well to most of the System they think the Tenno is the frame

[nocturne kiln]

I'd like to clarify that warframes have powers without tenno. The Tenno just make them overpowered. Think modded versus unmodded warframe

[nocturne kiln]

As far as the universe at large knows, the tenno are inside warframes rather than controlling them remotely

Killing a single warframe is a massive effort, much less multiple

[nova harness]

Nah they don’t even know there is a kid

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly- well, kinda. There's a nebulous distinction between 'Tenno' and 'Warframe' even if they're synonymous. It's the distinction between warrior and equipment since most people are unsure if warframes are armor or thier actual body. Even less know they used to be people

[nova harness]

Most people probably don't even think Warfranes are real considering how it was before their time and we don't visit a lot of the system just military targets

[nocturne kiln]

Says so in the Mag lore. They think they're folktales and ghost stories at best. They're the in universe version of Chuck Norris jokes. Noone actually thinks it happens

[fickle estuary]

That makes us pulling up to Cetus to fish even funnier

Imagine seeing an mythical warrior of legends and the first thing they do is complain about rare fish

[nova harness]

This is underneath Arsenal

[covert tree]

That's for your vehicles I think?

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah but when people get told about it by Ostrons, they think its more of this wierd "Uunum this, Uunum that" nonsense. They probably assume its something in the water Ostrons drink

[nova harness]

I just got sucked into it somehow

[nocturne kiln]

/unstuck

[nova harness]

You can't unstuck out of mission lol

[fickle estuary]

Forever sealed away in Arch-wing and Necramech dimension

[urban stone]

||DN||

[nocturne kiln]

fast travel to foundary or arsenal

[nova harness]

Honestly forgot we have fast travel lol

[viscid quarry]

We have that?

[nova harness]

Yeah

You can even fast travel to Baro now with it

[viscid quarry]

Damn

[nova harness]

It's whatever you press to open stuff like gear wheel

[static steppe]

Did de mention returning to sentients one day?

[nova harness]

No, but look in Orb Vallis

[supple dagger]

Finally going to the Zariman. Hearing the Lotus say I'm no longer a child makes me think I'm finally out of the tutorial

[nova harness]

Oh you're still in the tutorial trust me

Tutorial never ends

[supple dagger]

Like, is steel path considered just the game?

Given the game keeps teaching me new stuff, it all feels like a giant beginning lol

[nova harness]

Fashionframe is the one true Endgame

[zenith jacinth]

Fashionframe is endgame

[quiet hill]

Fashioning the unfashionable is

Fashion frame is mid - end

[zenith jacinth]

Fashionframeisendgame

The ultimate goal

Gotta fashion 'em all

[balmy storm]

If you dont have a fashionframe for every single Warframe then what are you even doing?

[lyric grove]

Playing Wisp 24/7.

[supple dagger]

Oh okay, so we just not gonna talk about how you're Proto Excalibur in whisper in the walls

Y'all just holding out on me until I experience it for myself huh

[zenith jacinth]

What

[supple dagger]

Have you played Whispers in the Walls?

[zenith jacinth]

[supple dagger]

There's a section you get to play as Arthur

[zenith jacinth]

Yes?

[balmy storm]

That’s how not spoiling things works, yes

[sour adder]

Also why we use ||spoiler tags|| if there’s recent quests people haven’t done yet, if it or it’s lore is the topic of conversation

[supple dagger]

That must've made the 1999 reveal go all the harder

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

[balmy storm]

The initial reveal was alongside the reveal of whispers and it went as hard as it did in the quest

[zenith jacinth]

For some reason whenever I see arthur all I can think of is a strange brazilian man with a sword

[viscid quarry]

Nah clearly it’s a Jamaican man

[zenith jacinth]

I know what I'm referencing but what are you referencing

[lunar thorn]

Will sevagoth prime come in resurgence to buy with (aya) or will it be like gauss in random relics??

[bronze glen]

You deny your sword its true purpose

[zenith jacinth]

Resurgence is, as the name implies, for returning frames

[zenith jacinth]

My sword is a tool of justice

[bronze glen]

BESIDES THIS ISN'T MY SWORD

[zenith jacinth]

Skipped ahead a little there

[nova harness]

if you stab a Warframe with a sword would the sword break or the Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Neither until the frame decides it's time to break the sword

[nova harness]

Are Warframe hands strong enough for that

[bronze glen]

Hasn't your warframe canonically broken a sword?

[nova harness]

Not with their hands

Broken War snapped in half somehow

[bronze glen]

But... the frame pulls it apart with their hands

[nova harness]

Don't they only pull it out

[zenith jacinth]

Yes with their hands

[bronze glen]

Nope breaks it and then pulls it out, chief

[zenith jacinth]

They pull it apart

[bronze glen]

A sword that was the literaly embodiment of Hunhow

Would take a lot of force

[zenith jacinth]

One half even stays in the frame

[nova harness]

Why does Stalker seem to get affected by that physically

[zenith jacinth]

Who knows

[bronze glen]

Weren't they spiritually connected because of the armor?

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe his pakal armor malfunctioned when its origin was broken

[nova harness]

Hunhow managed to fix it for him luckily for him

[bronze glen]

It was HIS sword

I assume he would be able to repair it easily

[nova harness]

Is it really easily if you have to rip apart your fragments

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[bronze glen]

For Hunhow? I'd say so

[balmy storm]

It was a fragment of him

[bronze glen]

I was nearly there

[balmy storm]

the armor might also be a part of hunhow, more fragments, more pieces he could act through
But the sword def was

[valid mural]

aw yeah, arcane dissolution from our pal got me this

[fiery kettle]

dupe

[bronze glen]

Which one is this, chief?

[valid mural]

dupe

[bronze glen]

Ah

[noble beacon]

Jeez thats difficult

[near rune]

Argon Burger is an interesting name for a restaurant in 1999

[ocean void]

Btw, did DE just straight out copy Blood Hunt game?

[obtuse gyro]

lmao no?

[ocean void]

I just looked closer at the gameplay and the map theme look nearly the same

[balmy storm]

Over the shoulder
Has gun
Shooting at thing that explodes green
In a city

[balmy storm]

I hate it when town is happening ):

[nocturne kiln]

What, you mean "generic European architecture"?

[obtuse gyro]

I urge you to look harder lmao

[obtuse gyro]

Oh no! Cities!

[nocturne kiln]

It could be Tsuira town but Im not 100% sure thats a place. Better to claim its untranslated

[balmy storm]

Not cities!

[obtuse gyro]

Lets just completely ignore that conventional warframe movement is still available in 1999

[balmy storm]

Also the techrot landscape

[ocean void]

Wall latching, casting abilities, down system, jumping onto buildings, and many weapons

it looks so close to it

[nocturne kiln]

All of which were in Warframe for nearly a decade before changing to a central european setting?

[obtuse gyro]

hey genius I wanna ask you which game had

Wall latching, casting abilities, down system,
These first?

[nocturne kiln]

Well, you may have me at jumping onto buildings. Werent too many buildings to be on top of. We were mostly inside of them

[balmy storm]

Calm down Bau 😭