spoiler-chat

[solemn cloud]

Exactly. My overall theory is that Lotus made a deal to move Lua into the void to protect all the Tenno - and now Wally is coming to collect on it, out of spite for us apparently backing out of the deal we made with Wally.

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus also may talk about her perspective about her own father and Pazuul
I think there would be a dialogue in the future about them because well, now she chose for herself and had her choice which his father isn't fond of i think.
And well Pazuul... We need to save Erra for her

Tbf Lua seems to have some very weird mechanism to be sent in or out of the void so idk. I always thought it was because of it, but putting an entire moon inside the void is kinda crazy 😭

[solemn cloud]

True. We still have yet to find out what "unannounced 2024 update" is, or will include. Could be a new mini quest, involving any number of plot threads.

Or it may be some time in the future that they follow up on Sentient related stuff, since that enemy has been a major focus for a really long time and might need a break.

[scarlet basalt]

The grineer unfocused 😔 DE will give them invert alchemy where we need to sabotage them 😭 so they don't upgrade their nox units

[solemn cloud]

Yeah because now Efervon is a new threat to us and might bleed over from 1999 to the current year in the Origin System.

[scarlet basalt]

ISn't efervon in the lab of albretch currently ? Or the blue one is a better efervon ? (iirc it do corrosive proc)

[solemn cloud]

No

Those are Vitriol (exact spelling I'll have to check later)

Similar, but targets a different type of enemy.

[scarlet basalt]

it will be wild in 1999 with Efervon
Like Scaldra doesn't care and just spam it against you

[amber terrace]

Theory: what if the Infestation in 1999 is smarter than the Infestation of gameplay era?
I was listening to Party Of Your Lifetime and this infestation seems almost smart, like it’s trying to be subtle about its infection of the populace.
Conjecture: the infestation we face off against in the gameplay era is a feral form, it hasn’t had complicated hosts for some time, it also probably doesn’t help that the Void probably plays havoc on the Infestation

[near rune]

Not enough cults in Warframe. Would love a cult that worships Wally, and we've seen something similar with the Martian mining colony last year.

[near rune]

The Emissary storyline is an indication the Infestation isn't feral, although that didn't really go anywhere.

[nova harness]

Best I can offer is Corpus

[balmy storm]

I would kill for a Wally cult!

[undone lodge]

The Martian mining colony?

[nova harness]

Best I can offer you is Corpus

[scarlet basalt]

Wally's cult would be wild
But like : isn't on chain of harrow manifested first possession or it wasn't that ?

[balmy storm]

That’s worship of the void, not of Wally
😔

[balmy storm]

In chains of harrow we see the closest thing to a Wally cult, which is people being controlled by Wally iirc

Which isn’t really a cult

There’s no worship of Wally from what we’ve seen, which he should really consider trying to get people to worship him so more people know of him and thus he can become stronger

[scarlet basalt]

😔 a wally worship would be wild lmao

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC he want to be known to be "real" And parvos was seen speaking voidtongue, maybe with enough conjecture a wally cult could "work"

[near rune]

Right before TennoCon 2023, we got reports of a mining colony on Mars who had gone insane and they were digging through Mars to reach Deimos (and Wally in the Entrati labs) on the other side of the planet. They were trying to dig through Mars.

[nova harness]

He worships himself if you think about it

[undone lodge]

Ah

[nova harness]

Still wanna know how you dig through a planet they way they did

[balmy storm]

Yeah thats why I said he should consider pursuing a cult, so he’s more known

[near rune]

I mean they weren't really successful. They were down to using their hands at the end, so it couldn't have gone very fast before it was… terminated.

[scarlet basalt]

The life of a corpus is one of the worst thing you could ever have : Fighting capitalism,not be in a cult (arlo,naarmer,etc...) , and now void madness is coming 😭

[nova harness]

Is coming? It never left

[scarlet basalt]

yeah true

[zenith jacinth]

Best way I can think of is using a really big gun

[nova harness]

They used their hands lol

[zenith jacinth]

But was it as effective and fast as using a really big gun would be?

[nova harness]

No it didn't work

[scarlet basalt]

we should use the BFG against deimos

[nova harness]

Why

[scarlet basalt]

bcz

[fickle estuary]

Use BSG to kill infested on Deimos
Corpus and Grineer decide to commit major forces to occupy the newly purified planet
One of them accidentally discovers the underground labs
Le Indifference outbreak incident

[zenith jacinth]

The BSG; Big Stupid Gorilla

[solemn cloud]

BSG: Brother Stupid, Grineer

[frail flower]

IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN

[tawdry socket]

You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of deimos

[solemn cloud]

Not with that attitude you can't!

[bronze glen]

What surface, its all flesh

[solemn cloud]

Yeah just cover the ground in chocolate and let Grendel eat his way through.

[balmy storm]

It’s not all flesh
There’s some rock still

There’s less rock than flesh but its still there

[nova harness]

Yeah but shooting random rocks is less fun

[zenith jacinth]

If the flesh covers the surface it's the new surface

[graceful thorn]

Surface just means the top layer so if the top layer happens to be made out of flesh that flesh is still considered a surface

[fiery kettle]

its probably an eris situation where the whole planet is a meatball

inside out

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, there's rocks

[balmy storm]

Deimos and eris have rocks

[scarlet basalt]

Eris is only shown being a rock planet no ? I mean I would be surprised if eris was fully infested

[zenith jacinth]

Eris is probably more infested than deimos

[plush swan]

I don't think we have any missions that are actually on Eris, as opposed to being in orbit

Hey, question: how come Deimos and Lua and Pluto have the same gravity as Earth?

[solemn cloud]

The Orokin terraformed the solar system, making each planet or moon as Earth like as possible.

No idea how they did it - but they did.

[left slate]

That, or i like to believe we can control our own gravity. I mean the meditate emote exists

[zenith jacinth]

Correct, we don't

[solemn cloud]

The only sticking point with that are the enemies we fight and how gravity affects them.

[zenith jacinth]

Problem: missions with reduced gravity exist

[solemn cloud]

Ships and space stations would have to all use artificial gravity.

So I think it's just "mundane tech" in the Warframe universe.

[zenith jacinth]

I think the low gravity nightmare modifier is actually exclusive to ship tilesets

[left slate]

That one cut scene before you fight Jordas there's energy around you and you don't fly out the ship instantly. But maybe I'm misinterpreting it

[zenith jacinth]

At least I don't remember seeing it on ground mission so far

[plush swan]

Huh, I just realized that Arthur's wearing a butt-cover and pec-covers?
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur?file=Liger-inuzuka-wtrmrk-excalibur-gear.jpg

[scarlet basalt]

None, it's unknown why we don't go to eris's ground
Only thing I think is that eris is as wild as Deimos in terms of infestation but with more cannibalism,

[plush swan]

Perhaps there aren't any objectives we need to accomplish there yet?

[prime raptor]

I just hired Man Of the Wall to be one of my crew members. I don’t know why everyone is so afraid of him, he seems to be a good guy

[nocturne kiln]

I admit defeat on this test, though I will mostly blame the poor picture I took. Some letters arent legible to me

I dont pretend to know what this means

I look forward to any corrections the community can give me. Im getting better at recognising the letters. S's and T's are especially recognizable

[noble beacon]

Most missions are in a flying ship

Would be funny if we were to walk on Jupiter getting crushed by the massive gas density the further we fall

[solemn cloud]

I think this one may actually be "Atomicycle Speed Track" - unless there's some weird quirk with "k"?

[nocturne kiln]

I went for Race because there was no T

[solemn cloud]

Don't need one if Speed ends with a d

[nocturne kiln]

Could easily be track as well

[nocturne kiln]

Maybe but given the seperation of the letters...

Its an either or situation

[solemn cloud]

Either way it more or less means the same thing.

[nocturne kiln]

in my mind at least

yeh

There's a lack of C's in this language. its either S's or K's

[solemn cloud]

Great work so far. My brain is reserved for translating ancient Egyptian - which is more than intensive enough 😅

[nocturne kiln]

oh god, the Inaros tombs?

my sympathies

[solemn cloud]

No no I mean I study Egyptology and on top of that I'm learning [how to read and write] Middle Egyptian (typically seen as hieroglyphs or hieratic).

But come to mention Inaros - he's my main for now obvious reasons 😅

[nocturne kiln]

Im calling you Baro from now on

[agile gorge]

I never would've thought that this would become a Warframe reference:

[nocturne kiln]

Is this... about the vessels?

Ngl, not my type of humor to compare them. Doesn't look like them to me

[fierce summit]

It’s not, the artist for this banner and some of the other adverts like it makes a consistent error where they transcribe the letter “c” as the “k” symbol, despite it being pronounced as an “s”.

[nocturne kiln]

So I did it right!

[fierce summit]

Yes! To quickly prove my point about the error, notice that Atomicycle, which should be “aht-ohm-ihs-eyek-ehl” is instead “aht-ohm-ihk-eek-l”. That’s not an error on your part, you translated correctly, the artist just made a mistake.

[nocturne kiln]

Honestly, as long as I can use context clues to make sense, I don't mind.

I noticed here as well

[fierce summit]

I’ve actually never done this one; I believe it’s correct save for the first letter being a really squiggly “s” instead of a “p”. That way, it says “Sol help us”, which the 1999 people often say in place of the word “God”.

[nocturne kiln]

Ah

That makes sens

Had to go back and forth a bit and then make a judgement call

[nocturne kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/952946035733438575/1270270763437391983/image.png?ex=66b468d6&is=66b31756&hm=9a46b6d875d62dc6dc415d284a3f822a03eecf2d4e05da67d037695861c14c6d&

I know I misspelled holvania but Major Neci's name really took a beating

I went back to the demo footage just to get her name right

[fierce summit]

Yeah I never got that one completely either; there’s just no “s” character to complete her name.

[nocturne kiln]

Context clues my friend

[fierce summit]

That poster was technically visible much earlier in teaser posts, so I had already gotten the “Major Nee Rusalka” but no one knew what the “Nee” was. I had guessed initials, i.e., “N.E.”, but I eventually switched it over to “Neil” when someone pointed out that as a possibility since the last letter could be an “l”.

Then TennoLive happened and I got to be really stumped at “Neci”.

[nocturne kiln]

Yup. In universe spelling mistakes. It's like we're archeologists looking at people's personal notes

[fierce summit]

So for this one, I believe that the “v” is probably a “dth” since it would make the first word “the”. The second word features a rare double-vowel over the “r” to create “k-eeoor”, which is the word “cure”. Then the last word, which is slightly obscured by the background hue change, we can see “t-ehk-r-oht” with the “r” and “t” being very hard to see.

Hence, the full graffiti says, “Bullets! The cure for Techrot”

[nocturne kiln]

💢 there can be double vowels?

[fierce summit]

Yes there can be!

[nocturne kiln]

I'm gonna go smash something for people adding new rules

[fierce summit]

It most often is used to create the compound long “u” sound as in “cure” and “cucumber”, both of which are real examples that appear.

[nocturne kiln]

But alright, thanks. I did say I failed that graffiti test

[fierce summit]

You’ll also see it in the words “you” and “your”, which appear as “eeooh” and “eeoor” (two vowels over “h” and “r” respectively)

[fierce summit]

Posters and signs all look good

I’m gonna also spend some time staring at the sun graffiti though because I missed that one and it means a tasty new mystery since half of it got smudged by the sun

[nocturne kiln]

I have enough trouble with people's real life chicken scratch graffiti. This stuff is so hard

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, I went through the mall systematically, wall by wall, shelf by shelf

I'm only 18 pics in out of 99. Maybe I'll find more for you

[fierce summit]

That middle word is next to impossible, but I think the last bit is “dead guy” rather than “dead game” because the vowel over that last character is a “eye” vowel rather than an “ae” vowel. Since “g-eyem” is not a word, I therefore think that last “m” is actually just an “h”, since in graffiti especially the difference between the two becomes insignificant.

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, the graffiti makes it hard to see if it's supposed to be a full or half line

If I wanted to just make up what I thought it meant, it'd probably somewhere along the lines of "Nice guys are dead guys", but that second word is definitely Grows

[fierce summit]

Agreed; I can clearly read a “g” followed by an “r” and then the sun gets in the way.

[nocturne kiln]

You can see the bottom half of the Z symbol

On top is what I felt could only be the symbol for ow

Growz

The middle word is nearly a complete mystery

It's short though, and I did my best

Now that I know about double vowels though...

[fierce summit]

Worst case scenario we just have to wait for the mall to reopen with 1999 to try and get another angle on the text

There’s often some specularity on the texture so approaching at another angle might make some words more visible

[nocturne kiln]

I tried my best. I seem to remember trying to light it up with an heirloom emote washed it out too much to read

[wanton escarp]

is 1999 a pocket universe or time travel?

[tawdry socket]

I don't think we know yet, there's kinda evidence for both

[covert tree]

I'd say time travel but yeah it's possible for it to be something else

[obtuse gyro]

another universe maybe not, a pocket reality? more likely than another universe

[tight pagoda]

Until recently I just figured it was an alternate universe, but I think the biggest sign it’s the past is the way the Technocyte Coda enemies are created— things you do in 1999 impact the Origin system

[wispy jasper]

We’re always accessing or trying to prevent things from coming out of pocket dimensions, doesn’t really provide much bearing on it being time travel

[supple dagger]

who else only learned the existence of the word palimpsest through lemmino?

[tawdry socket]

I learned it from this discord channel

[visual shoal]

Same

[obtuse gyro]

I learnt it from Dimension 20 Fantasy High

[flat shadow]

I first heard it a long time ago, in high school. Studying some old writings. (Don't remember which ones, didn't care.) and the teacher used that word to describe how old manuscripts would reuse vellum by scraping off the letters and writing over them.

[obtuse gyro]

istg life must be a video game, I literally learnt the word vellum just today

through Elantris by brando sando

[flat shadow]

There are days it wouldn't surprise me.

If that's the case, can I ask we get ported over to Stardew Valley or Animal crossing?

[nocturne kiln]

History class

[nova harness]

I don't even know what the word means but I know the other stuff so understand the question

[supple dagger]

just me then?
dang

[flat shadow]

I'm sure you are not the only one. The folks that didn't might not be on the discord right now. This time of day during the work week is usually pretty quiet.

[visual shoal]

Work... meh...

[nocturne kiln]

It's just basically a word for reused writing surfaces. It's kinda like if you took notes on a class and erased them to write notes on another class. We can still kinda see that you were writing on it before

[supple dagger]

🥹

[tawdry socket]

Yep

[amber terrace]

Given that Lotus Eaters is coming in two weeks, speculation time. I hope that Lotus doesn’t go away for another four ish years

[nocturne kiln]

I just want the ability to change her name

[zenith jacinth]

Would be funny tho

[nocturne kiln]

Sometimes I don't want Margulis. Sometimes I want the lotus back

[zenith jacinth]

Just thanos snap her for half the game's lifetime again

[nocturne kiln]

We'll see her again at the 20th anniversary

[amber terrace]

The one thing keeping me hopeful that Lotus won’t leave for cigarettes and milk again is that we can customize her and spend plat on said customization

[nocturne kiln]

Man, I really want to get some kind of headset with microphone from 1999 tennogen... I wonder how much it'd cost to commission someone...

[near rune]

Lotus gone until 2035

[amber terrace]

[plush swan]

What if "The Lotus Eaters" is actually the Lotus starting up her own fast food chain? :V

[visual shoal]

This cracked me up...

Lotus Eaters loosely describe the Orokin in general?!

[nova harness]

Wally the highest-paying customer

Big mouth see

[amber terrace]

Highkey I’m dreading the day DE runs out of big bad’s to fight, which is probably gonna be after we do whatever we have to do to The Indifference

[nova harness]

No it isn't

[visual shoal]

Hmmm, hopefully not necessarily.... there's a whole other system that has only been talked about but never visited.... Someday I'd like to see the expansion where we go to Tau, find some new big baddies.. take the fight there...

[amber terrace]

Hopefully DE is gonna keep the Warframe community fed by supplying smaller bad’s where, while the scale of the threat won’t be as gargantuan, hopefully it will be enough to keep players engaged

[nova harness]

We still have Parvos

[visual shoal]

Plus we've not explored this whole "vessels" thing... and what they were meant for, right....

[nova harness]

They could literally create a big bad for the next arc

[amber terrace]

Respectfully, the scale of Parvos’ threat is way smaller than the existential threat scale of The Indifference

[plush swan]

Ordis: "Ordan Karris should have- SLIT YOUR THROAT- when he had the chance."

[amber terrace]

True, I just don’t see how DE is going to be able to keep upping the ante past the Eldritch Void horror known as The Indifference

[visual shoal]

Easy.... said horror has masters....

[nova harness]

Not everything has to be Indifference sized just look at Ballas

[plush swan]

There's definitely foreshadowing that we might actually just befriend Wally...

[amber terrace]

Ballas’ psychosis episode near the end of The New War threatened the existence of the System via the Sun exploding

[nova harness]

Watch Albrecht be the next big bad

[plush swan]

See: Tagfer's line about Wally being lonely and wanting to hang out with us, but not knowing how to socialize without scaring the pants off of people.

(Good thing Warframes don't wear pants)

[nova harness]

Wally has Autism confirmed

[amber terrace]

If he is I am going to cry. I payed forty something dollars for his hat, a product that I have been pestering the fine folks at DE for since like at least October 2023

[balmy storm]

I feel like you’re misinterpreting that line

Yes he’s lonely but its not due to lack of social skills (though he likely lacks those), he wants what we have, he wants to be apart of what we are

The most sympathetic part of Wally is that he is lonely, but he’s lonely because of what he is

[plush swan]

Tagfer's line about Wally being lonely:

Tagfer: "Whatever Papa touched, the Indifference, the Murmur, I think it's lonely. It wants to be a part of what we've got going on. Only, it doesn't know that. And it does its best to join in, but it's clumsy. Ignorant. So everything about it is... skewed. Half-[baked]. You follow?"
--Tagfer (possible response when asked about "Papa?")

[visual shoal]

Think Q from Q continuum Star Trek

[chilly pine]

hmm who would win in a fight, Q or wally? ngl probably Q

[balmy storm]

Wally wants to be part of what we’ve got going on, that’s having an identity and being a solid something
His attempts at joining in are the murmur itself and him reflecting the appearance of others, his manifestations are half-baked humanoids, he’s trying to be a something like everything else in the universe but he’s not very good at it

He’s lonely because he’s literally not like anything else, he wants to be but his attempts fall flat and thus he lashes out

[fickle estuary]

Wally thinking sending murderous hand demons after us to be "joining in" is honestly pretty believable, especially if he based his actions on the current state of Sol (aka eternal war), after all if the ones who "fit in" are constantly fighting each other, then why would he do anything different?

[balmy storm]

His first ever experience with another being was him pulling from their memories and mind, that being freaking out about it and Wally getting wounded

[plush swan]

Wally: 60-eyes "I heard you like fighting, so I made this for you! ❤️"

[amber terrace]

So could friendship still win? So far as I understand, The Indifference is the one responsible for the Tenno having their Void devilry and possibly Void tech across the System, and killing it could have negative consequences for the entire system

[plush swan]

Tenno are probably tough enough to handle playing with Wally

[fickle estuary]

Kind man donates rare hand spaceship decorations to orphans through methods that encourage teamwork

[balmy storm]

He isn’t responsible for void tech as a whole, that’s the heart
But he is responsible for ftl travel and our abilities

I do think that compassion could win, not friendship, but its something that’ll take time
Imagine a feral dog that’s been wounded by people, it won’t trust people but with time and compassion it can

[plush swan]

My interpretation is that Wally is already trying to be friends

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we should ever forgive or truly befriend Wally, he’s akin to an abuser for us and I don’t think that’s wise from a thematic standpoint

[fickle estuary]

Also honestly I don't think he is something you could really kill or even actually injure

[balmy storm]

Oh definitely, at the very least he doesn’t want to be lonely
But he doesn’t have a positive experience in his “body” so its difficult for him to do anything other than lash out

[fickle estuary]

So we should time travel to recreate Albrecht's first void dive but actually treat them nicely, bring them to our timeline and give Wally an responsible friend that he could use as an role model

I have successfully framed the war

[plush swan]

I mean, we can probably skip the complicated bits and just chase Wally down for a chat and a hug

[fickle estuary]

That could work too I guess smh

[visual shoal]

Missing out on having to deal with technocyte virus and on-lyne......

[amber terrace]

So the play with The Indifference is to show it something it doesn’t know how to process until it gets used to it? I mean it sounds cool but I can’t make a lactose intolerant person chug a gallon of whole milk and suddenly expect them to not have to fight for their lives on the porcelain throne for a few hours

[fickle estuary]

whispers to Ordis construct five hundred pherliac pods

[amber terrace]

Plus, so far as I understand, the root of the generational trauma conjecture lies so far back in Orokin culture that pretty much the only way to fix it is to kill the empire before it becomes as bloated with rot, which would be to kill the empire before it even forms

[plush swan]

I was thinking more "be friend-shaped for Wally so Wally learns how to be friend-shaped"

[fickle estuary]

But then we stop existing, and if we don't it creates another timeline which doesn't really matter to us 😭

And also preventing the Orokin wouldn't stop another empire taking its place sadly

[amber terrace]

I think that only works with like dogs, cats, and maybe raccoons. The Indifference is limitless potential given consciousness where the progenitor is a product of centuries of rot and malice and self admitted pettiness in the form of Albrecht Entrati. I don’t know if turning The Indifference into a community wide pet project is really gonna work, especially considering that we commit war crimes every mission in the SP

[nocturne kiln]

The coda worm transfered over in the demo. It will affect us. That's why albrecht and the other crossed over in the first place

[solemn cloud]

Also we can't apply our logic to a being that exists outside of logic.

It's not even simply that Wally is clumsy or doesn't know - it's that he lacks the framework to comprehend our universe, existence, morality, etc. Wally came into being overloaded with all the worst qualities - so that is all it can use to grow from.

It's not just like an abused animal who lost the ability to trust - it's like an animal born into abuse, raised in abuse, then dropped off in the trenches of world war 2 where a soldier tries to pet it amidst hails of gunfire.

[fickle estuary]

1999 is weird 😭

But hear me out

We aren't changing the timeline, it's just that theirs somehow floods into ours, given y'know that the On-lyne arena is in SPACE for some reason and not Earth

[amber terrace]

Exactly! You worded this a lot better than I could have : )

[fickle estuary]

A I can't write

[fickle estuary]

Fair

[solemn cloud]

Makes you wonder how a chunk of Earth with a stadium on it, ended up floating in an asteroid field in space. Could the destruction of Earth be the result of something started in 1999, that we have to undo?

[fickle estuary]

Maybe we resort into teleporting (+ weird time distortion) infested chunks into our system since we have better tools for cleansing them then 1999? It's really hard to tell until we get more info though

I can't imagine the 1999 toxic military people having access to Requiem words to kill them

Unless they work on a different system in which case fair enough

[nocturne kiln]

It's the lack of ethics that concern me more than the logic...

[plush swan]

TBH, Albrecht's whole Requiem poem makes me think he's someone who's more concerned with making the world work the way he thinks it should than he is with actually trying to apply logic to the Void.

That is, it's not about whether the Void does or doesn't follow "logic", it's that the Void is not what Albrecht wants it to be.

"It is only logical for the universe to operate the way I believe it should. Anything else is illogical!"

[nova harness]

So a typical Orokin?

[scarlet basalt]

With how warframe is so weird with their release date, is it a confirmation that it will come the 21th

[brazen cloud]

reads to me like the 21th Lotus Eaters comes

[balmy storm]

It literally says “The Lotus Eaters will arrive with a short Quest on August 21st”

Lotus Eaters is both the quest name and update name, as is per the usual with quests

[amber terrace]

Watch it turn out that Lotus learns about what’s been going on in the basement of the Necralisk and decides to tell the family

[plush swan]

Lotus reveals that she has Void powers now too

Bonus points if our Tenno knew since TNW, but we the players didn't have confirmation

[balmy storm]

I hope thats not what it is

[near rune]

I think that would be pretty immersion-breaking.

[balmy storm]

Agreed

Our tenno is us, we should know what they know

[near rune]

DE gave our characters amnesia because we the players didn't know the history.

[solemn cloud]

Given that this is just a Prologue quest like "Chimera Prologue" and that the synopsis says "Wally does not sit idly by" then what we should expect is a 15ish minute quest where Wally confronts Lotus and then something happens that makes it so Drifter has to go to 1999.

[balmy storm]

The reason we don’t remember the zariman massacres is because we heavily repressed what we had to do

[balmy storm]

Drifter bouta get their smooch on

[near rune]

Margulis also repressed the Zariman incident as part of her therapy for the Tenno, and old lore stated that our quick revival also damaged our memories.

[solemn cloud]

Yep. Drifter gonna hook up with Arthur in my run ❤️

[balmy storm]

That too

I still can’t fully decide between Lettie, Aoi and Eleanor
I know Eleanor will be my main for gameplay but for romance? Truly the most difficult decision in the game

[noble beacon]

This, Hes very scary and creepy purely because the ppl responsible for his existence and intellectual are evil and scary, since he copies like mimics he probably copies eveyones personality and fuses it all together to learn about our world

[noble beacon]

Im choosing Eleanor always

[noble beacon]

Im gonna go as operator

[balmy storm]

I’m heavily leaning towards Eleanor

If not just for the infested smooch

[noble beacon]

I hope her kit becomes good

[solemn cloud]

You don't get to play as any of the Hex. Just Arthur during mission 1 and then Drifter for the rest of the quest.

[noble beacon]

Same

[balmy storm]

It kinda already is

[balmy storm]

I’m talking about in terms of the gemini skins

[noble beacon]

We can always replay using a different frame

[near rune]

I think she meant the Gemini skin for her Nyx

[balmy storm]

I love Nyx’s gameplay

[noble beacon]

Nah it absolutely isnt

Imo its unplayable

[balmy storm]

My immortal Nyx begs to differ lmao

[noble beacon]

Her 4 is her saving grace imo

[balmy storm]

Her 4 is fantastic
Her 2 and 3 def need a touchup but the free defense strip and cc is nice

[noble beacon]

I accidentally became a kullervo main when trying a build and almost crashed my 3070 and my best friends laptop during testing

[balmy storm]

Lmaoo

[near rune]

Just remove the enemy cap pls

[balmy storm]

Thats all they need to do fr

[noble beacon]

Never and i say NEVER use xatas Whisper+ kullervo 3 + naramon void wave + cedo alt fire

[balmy storm]

I can’t really talk about her 1 cause I subsumed it cause it looked useless

[balmy storm]

You can’t just give me this information ):

[noble beacon]

The amount of calculating your pc has to do is so bad my frames went from 144 to 1 on a 3070

[near rune]

Nyx was the first warframe I intentionally farmed because the idea of mind controlling an enemy was so cool to me. It's a lot better now, since you can boost the thrall's damage.

[balmy storm]

I’m not gonna do it cause my pc is kinda bad but damn

[noble beacon]

My buddies laptop was struggling

[balmy storm]

She was the first deluxe skin I ever bought, kinda regretted it for years but now I’m loving it

[noble beacon]

They were like, it takes me 5 seconds after you are back from crashing to get the effect

Also never use that combo if anyone in the team has bad internet

[solemn cloud]

Nyx was the first and so far only frame that I hated playing so much I immediately threw her to Helminth on max rank.

But Ellie looks fantastic and hopefully a light rework will make Nyx feel good enough to me, to use her with the Gemini Skin.

[noble beacon]

Itll auto kick them 30-45% of the time

[balmy storm]

Why must you give me forbidden knowledge

[near rune]

As a baby Excalibur I fought all the way to Eris for her (that's where Phorid was at the time)

[noble beacon]

I can show tomorrow

[balmy storm]

You reunited them

The nightingale siblings

[noble beacon]

Also a tip, dont prime the enemies

Itll make it worse

And as far as i know DE cant fix this as his is just basic calculation being done that happens at the same timw

[balmy storm]

Any tips to subsume onto Nyx’s 1 that isn’t Kullervo’s subsume? @noble beacon

[noble beacon]

Hmmm

[balmy storm]

I have dispensery rn but it isnt really needed

Especially since I have zenurik

[noble beacon]

Either tharros strike, xata or smt else

[balmy storm]

Xata might be good thematically and would probably work well with my AX

What benefits does tharros strike have? Cause I dont need the armor strip

[noble beacon]

Its a heal with iirc shields and or over shields

And it stuns enemies

[balmy storm]

Eh, dont need a heal since Nyx’s 4 makes her immortal

I’ll go with Xata for that extra damage

[wispy jasper]

I just have eclipse on her still from before it was reworked. Damage reduction to drain less energy in 4 if needed, a little damage to get stacks rolling on weapons. She doesn’t really benefit from much since it’s more a an execution issue with her whole kit so feels good enough

[noble beacon]

No enemy is resistant and sentients will be reset

Although dispensary works well with equilibrium for eternal 4

[balmy storm]

Thats what I have rn

[noble beacon]

With the gun augment?

[balmy storm]

Gun augment?

[noble beacon]

Nyx augment where she can use her weapons

[balmy storm]

Oh, yeah

I would not be playing her if I didnt have that augment lmao

[fiery kettle]

cowbarfers dont remember the og cobweb

[scarlet basalt]

watch it for european people having the update at 3 am the 22th 😭

[balmy storm]

I mean probably yeah

[scarlet basalt]

i'll never win

[balmy storm]

get a better timezone

Fr though it will probably be around then if thats how its been in the past

[noble beacon]

NOOOO

Im boutta start my pc at 3am

Idc

[noble beacon]

Funny how its 9days earlier than my bday

[scarlet basalt]

iirc it was mostly around 21:00 for european (well in france)

[balmy storm]

Happy birthday

Updates are usually around 11 am for me
Its awesome

[noble beacon]

Ty ducky

[noble beacon]

For me most were in the middle of the day

Or after 6pm

[balmy storm]

I hope you have a good one this year
and in the years to come

[noble beacon]

My current bday thingy will be going to an all you can eat restaurant with my best friend and i hope the other one too if his job lets him go

[scarlet basalt]

Should i turn 21 with a job or with no job ?

[balmy storm]

Ooo, have fun!

[noble beacon]

Depends on your personal economic stability

[nocturne kiln]

With a job helps more, even if it's only for a season or two

[scarlet basalt]

To think that Rebecca Ford is actually cannon in 1999
Meaning also that she may have been executed by either scaldra or the infestation 😭
Actually what if we meet her, like a rotoscopy of Rebecca

why this man has tamagotchi on his ear ???
Wtf is wrong with you ?

[brazen cloud]

easy way to never forget to feed your tamagotchi

[noble beacon]

What if we save her this time and minimally change the future

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe the hex member save her and she become a lotus for the hex member 🧠
It would actually be... Funny

like Rebecca ford will always be the lotus 😭

[noble beacon]

Lotus cannot become unlotus

It is not lore accurate if it happens

• shes a too important character to delete

[balmy storm]

Why would Scaldra kill civilians

[valid jolt]

Ngl when I first saw him, I thought he was Faker

[scarlet basalt]

idk honestly, but what if we meet Rebb in 1999 😭

[balmy storm]

I doubt we’ll meet any civilians, they either all left or are held up inside away from the action

At most I could see a mission type where we have to stop the techrot from getting to civilians but that’s about it

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah it would make sense that the civilian would be saved by something/someone, either the Army or Scaldra

Maybe one thing that would be... annoying is having the defection mode in 1999 where you need to save from a train station, civilians who got trapped by infestation

Defection should get some love and get the Loid treatment : Can't get staggered,knockdown,etc.. Only hit

[solemn cloud]

That does make me wonder - with the release of most new major updates we tend to get new game modes - so what kind of new mode might we get with 1999? It's possible we won't and they'll just repurpose one of the others, but definitely could be interesting.

[scarlet basalt]

True, i doubt DE will actually make our warframe be literally transported to 1999 and we will only play hex member.
Which also make me think : will there be a mod system,decree,something like that ?
Like i guess we get the infested railjack but idkkk

Duviri has the circuit...But 1999 may be an entire new gamemode without warframes ?

[solemn cloud]

Our Warframe does get transported to 1999. That's all but confirmed - what I mean is, Zariman gave us Void Flood, Armageddon, etc. WitW gave us a new spin on Assassination, Mirror Defense, etc.

So what might 1999 bring to the table as far as the repayable mission nodes are concerned?

[scarlet basalt]

Infestation related, it would be about songs i guess ? maybe guitar hero 😭

[carmine portal]

The way these guys look like 3d models, or rather more like them than the existing human characters, I kinda question if they're actual people, or if they and the band are a sort of "face" that the Infestation created to lure people in

[scarlet basalt]

i think those dude are just real dude with tamagotchi on their ears

we still don't know how the infestation got there lmao

[plush swan]

Nah, this is an excuse to sell an Infested Lotus skin for . :V

[near rune]

The chat messages from TennoCon make it seem like Scaldra is very much killing civilians.

[scarlet basalt]

Wait i was right ???

So the KoS was literally for everyone...

[agile gorge]

I'm trying to go over the lore for Whispers In The Walls again. so when we first use transference on the vessel in the middle of the Lab hub, how did that connect us to Arthur?

[scarlet basalt]

My theory is that it's because the infestation was taken directly from arthur to create the vessel so with the fact that the infestation is an hivemind, maybe it worked like that :
Vessel = Created from arthur's infestation > Transference can access the entire vessel, so we could use the "2 body" but only control the vessel > Sent to 1999,get a headache bcz we're in his head and that he felt that his other part of infestation that could still be linked somehow was controlled ?

[tight pagoda]

Wonder if it’s incompetence (missing their shots against the Hex) or if they’re trying to cull citizens to stop the spread of Infested

[scarlet basalt]

But it also mean that somehow the infestation can be accessed in the void...
IIRC in the interview the tenno is supposed to appear with his current warframe through the mouth of the deep techrot helminth

[agile gorge]

ahh, I was wondering if if was an Umbra-style deal and we could relive Arthur's memories

[scarlet basalt]

Honestly i did thought that it was Arthur's memories since we couldn't play him (technically) but maybe it was his last moment ?

[solemn cloud]

AFAIK the reason we connect to Arthur through the vessel is that Albrecht brought samples of Arthur and Aoi back from 1999, combined it with the grey strain and made the vessels - so they are effectively made from them - and because of the strangeness that is Warframe, it created a bridge across time for us to use transference.

(Corrected as per Albrecht's notes)

[tight pagoda]

It seems more like we’re just hijacking him because he acknowledges the presence in his head, and the start of the TennoCon reveal looks like something (probably you) forcibly makes him type coordinates

[agile gorge]

actually, yeah. and in the Höllvania Relay, now that I come to remember it, Eleanor acknowledges that we were in Arthur's head, altho she isn't gonna tell in is

[nocturne kiln]

If you remember the demo, the excaliber appeared and a rock rendition of This Is Who you are played. Reb later stated in an interview that after the clash in the demo, when it showed the freeze frame, in the real game, the camera would shift instead. Wether the excaliber was a placeholder for our own frame, or an ordinary one we transference into, we will be in 1999 as our drifter (dev reb said she couldn't confirm officially but that it would be problematic for the operator to be involved in the romance system due to thier appearance

[nocturne kiln]

The thing making Arthur's hand type was albrecht, telling Arthur where he needed to be. Likely so he'd find us so we can fix things in holvania)

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus eater will also take care of explaining how drifter got his hand back now that I think about it 😭😭😭
His arms literally got destroyed wtf

[nocturne kiln]

All of the hex think thier perception of us is Elenor.... except for her. She sees into our minds due to the nature of her mutation

[tight pagoda]

Side note but I hope we get to have it as a somachord like we did with See it in the Flesh

[tight pagoda]

That explains a lot! It’s why Volt (Amir?) asks for a brain-hug, and why Arthur tells Eleanor to get out of his head

[scarlet basalt]

I think we'll buy it with reputation from hex member 😭😭😭

But like there's literally 5 song to get wtf

Also de please let us get a playlist feature on mandachord

[tight pagoda]

Also, in the past, I’ve been saying that Amir’s VA is Leon S. Kennedy’s only because of this one post

https://www.warframe.com/news/countdown-to-tennocon-2024

Where I jumped to the conclusion that because Nick Apostolides’ character isn’t named but listed next to ProtoExcalibur and ProtoMag, it must be ProtoVolt, however I just recently learned that his voice actor is apparently Kevin Afghani, the new voice of Mario

[agile gorge]

Mario in Warframe

that's amazing

that's like when I learned who voiced Stalker in Jade Shadows

[tight pagoda]

Ah, apparently Nick Apostolides voices Zeke, the leader of OnLyne

Leon S. Kennedy as a boy band parasite

[agile gorge]

I also heard Ballas' VA in another game, I can't remember what it's called tho

[agile gorge]

also that's ironic in a way lol

[plush swan]

I've got a couple conjectures to consider:

1. Weird Void shenanigans
2. Ordis did some really impressive surgery on Drifter
3. Drifter didn't get her hand back, she's just hiding the Amalgam bits.
4. Helminth

[scarlet basalt]

Tbf "the void can heal" is said by teshin, so likely drifter get healed by dominus thrax ?

[agile gorge]

wait, the drifter's arms got destroyed??

[tight pagoda]

Yep, Lotus’s hand attaches itself to Drifter’s, and just crushes it

Next time you’re in Duviri take a look

[plush swan]

Lotus's hand split Drifter's hand (and arm?) open and attached in its place

[scarlet basalt]

When you play duviri's quest we literally see the hand of drifter getting replaced by literally annihilating the hand lmaooo

[agile gorge]

oh, I'll have to see. I thought Lotus' hand just kinda clung to theirs

wait aaaa wtf, I thought Lotus' hand was the split one

[plush swan]

Nope, Drifter's new hand in Duviri has Lotus's nail polish, IIRC

[tight pagoda]

You can see some dangling fingers too

[scarlet basalt]

Why did they do that...

[plush swan]

'cause it sounds cool, I guess?

Or maybe to foreshadow something about a future update

[scarlet basalt]

Void healing ability maybe

I don't think we have ever seen a direct healing from the void
Because the only time we technically saw that is not even from the void but to calm down umbra

[plush swan]

Drifter doesn't have Void powers ("yet") in part two of TNW.

It would have to be something about leaving Duviri

[agile gorge]

oh gosh eww, now that I see the two halves of the Drifter's hand all flopping around... 🤢

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah but like thrax has
And also teshin talking about void healing may be related to lorist lore
Iirc they're twins healers but haven't been seen after the old war

[agile gorge]

imagine if Lotus' hand could do cool stuff like transform

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah nvm nothing is about lorist using void power
Only a device

Lotus green lantern arc

[near rune]

Kuva has healing power and is Void-derived

[agile gorge]

which makes it weird that it can heal Sentients

[scarlet basalt]

Wait it has ? I thought there wasn't any 😮

The void being a poison and also not for the sentient is Wild

[agile gorge]

maybe Kuva's void-derived, but it doesn't carry void energy? I dunno

[scarlet basalt]

There's a weird supposition that is likely true that an island was destroyed because it produced kuva and once it was drank they went to the side of mitW

[nocturne kiln]

Worse, the sentient hand opens up and slips over it like a glove

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe de will make more body horror in the future

To be fair
Tennocon art panel was crazy
Bcz what.
What the hell was that ? Man they could have gone wild with the tile set if they were willing or given more time 😭😭😭

[nocturne kiln]

No seriously, the lotus's forearm merely slips over drifter's. No body horror involved

[scarlet basalt]

I thought it teared their arm in half

[nocturne kiln]

Nah. It just kind of... crawls over it

The back of her hand is on the back of his, her palm covers his

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus hand really thought she was an archon 😭😭😭

[thick jolt]

Because it does

You can see the gaps in a different angle

[nocturne kiln]

So it's her palm, which isn't as bad since it's sentient, that splits open

[nocturne kiln]

His arm is underneath, intact

It's her arm over his that you see

That's why you can see the sentient energy (threads/veins)

[scarlet basalt]

Weird that for some reason, drifter doesn't care about the pain
Maybe it's because of thrax spamming his exécution ?

[nocturne kiln]

No, it's because his arm is underneath

[thick jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786650808321048596/1257383930525388821/SmartSelect_20240701_141442_YouTube.jpg?ex=66b4fd0a&is=66b3ab8a&hm=014e8987b45ab8240966450f5581129bc48fd7752964ca6bd01e784cc752f722&

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think drifter actually screams in pain when he get hit now that I think about it

[thick jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786650808321048596/1257384074469838982/SmartSelect_20240701_141516_YouTube.jpg?ex=66b4fd2c&is=66b3abac&hm=72d108919bfdb7165baf4e00b8de3715c3279f1419fac0b85125e089fd4316e2&

[scarlet basalt]

The closest to body horror

[nocturne kiln]

Close, but not quite

[tight pagoda]

Ah, so it's Lotus' fingers dangling

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, which isn't so bad since she's a sentient

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, her hand looks fine by New War

[thick jolt]

It isnt

[nocturne kiln]

Well she's self repairing

[thick jolt]

Back of the hand has lotus weird input adapter
Which means it went over drifters arm and split it

[nocturne kiln]

In this picture, the lotus's hand doesn't have an exposed thumb

[agile gorge]

ahh, ok. so that's what I thought happened in the first place; Lotus' hand split open and went around the Drifter's

[nocturne kiln]

The drifter does

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly

[scarlet basalt]

One thing I realllyyyy hope is one new ennemy in lotus eater 🙏🙏🙏

[thick jolt]

Wrong ignore wandering joe

[nocturne kiln]

I'd rather have a new item to use, like how we got parasis in the chimera prologue

[tight pagoda]

I hope Lotus Eater isn't just a simple interactive cutscene like the New War prologues, but beggars can't be choosers

[scarlet basalt]

Idkk I just love the murmur and every weapon feels the same...

[agile gorge]

I'm...
gonna look at it closely myself before I believe either of you

[scarlet basalt]

The murmur are peak design of ennemies but people aren't ready

[nocturne kiln]

I sugest you do. I'll hop on my computer to see if I can't show a better angle

[scarlet basalt]

At least they're more fair than bombard

[agile gorge]

I want a bigger variety of murmur, I wanna see more freaky stuff

[nocturne kiln]

I'm a little annoyed at Jade eximus appearing outside of the steel path

[scarlet basalt]

We need the freak DE please !

[plush swan]

I mean... she's a Mimic...

[tight pagoda]

The update is called The Lotus Eaters. And this promo image has a giant mouth approaching the Lotus...

[nocturne kiln]

It's just the regular murmur skybox

[plush swan]

wdym?

[agile gorge]

exactly, ya. that's what gave me the idea in the first place

also, now that I'm reminded that Lotus is a mimic, if you add Frieren into the mix...

[plush swan]

?

Anyway, yeah, Drifter doing weird Amalgam stuff would be cool. 🙂

[tight pagoda]

There's cut Duviri content that, due to bugs, occasionally leaks through upon Death, where the Guiding Hand turns into a weapon with insane damage

[agile gorge]

damn, that would've been cool. or if her hand could become an amp

[graceful zodiac]

I won't say for that picture, but Drifter outfit doesn't have any exposed thumb or fingers, the Lotus does

[plush swan]

Shapeshifting arm-cannon like Megaman? 🙂

[agile gorge]

yaaa, that would've been cool

[scarlet basalt]

I still don't understand why they used this name for the next update but I kinda understand :
Iirc sentient are very very hard to kill bcz they could just switch themselves to elsewhere and no sentient are dumb enough to have only one body, ropalolyst is said to be the flesh of natah's too iirc
One thing that make sense is that it's easier for us, with our void power . Cephalon cy talk about the reliquary drive in the rail jack touching him, touching him also mean the weave no ? Maybe sentient has their own weave so they can juggle through their "flesh"
It make much more sense now how the lotus could be eaten maybe ?

[tight pagoda]

Finally make use of the Lotus' energy color customization option

[zenith jacinth]

...what

[scarlet basalt]

It's supposition man, idk

[plush swan]

We're pretty sure it's an Odyssey reference

[tight pagoda]

I think they mean Sentients can't be killed because they're able to transfer their consciousness into other parts of their body, but the Murmur can potentially kill the Consciousness

[zenith jacinth]

Super mario odyssey?

[plush swan]

Homer's Odyssey

[tight pagoda]

The guy from The Simpsons? /s

[nova harness]

Have you ever heard of the Lotus eaters

[plush swan]

... yes. That is definitely who we are talking about. Yup.

[nocturne kiln]

Glowing fingernails are the best proof I can give you that its your hand inside and not hers

[scarlet basalt]

I meant that it's easier for people who can use the void like murmur,us and/or mitW to kill a sentient bcz we could technically touch them

[scarlet basalt]

No

[agile gorge]

the Sentients partially exist kinda as a series of hive minds, in which larger sentients can make drones, like Hunhow sending his "fragments" after us. at least I think it works that way

[graceful zodiac]

That second picture almost certainly isn't in Duviri. What about the first?

[nocturne kiln]

Jason and the argonauts. Its an island where people only want to eat fruit all day, forgetting thier previous lives, ambitions, and relationships

[graceful zodiac]

That's...not how the Sentients have been said to work though?

[nocturne kiln]

First pic is teshin's cave

second is in the orbiter

since im trying to show the same hand with and without lotus's hand

[nova harness]

They a race of people living on an island dominated by the lotus tree, a plant whose botanical identity is uncertain. The lotus fruits and flowers were the primary food of the island and were a narcotic, causing the inhabitants to sleep in peaceful apathy. After they ate the lotus, they would forget their home and loved ones and long only to stay with their fellow lotus-eaters. Those who ate the plant never cared to report or return.

[scarlet basalt]

Idk man I forgot how they work lol
I thought they would work like that they have their own weave to control each flesh they heve

[graceful zodiac]

Good, but you run into the immediate issue that customization would overwrite the default

[scarlet basalt]

Oh wow, that's something that I didn't expect from a story

[graceful zodiac]

Which is why I should've added the default Drifter outfit at minimum

[agile gorge]

one thing gameplay-wise that I think is a lil questionable is how easy Sentients are to kill when you're playing as Kahl. I was kinda hoping that they'd be stronger, almost like mini-bosses

[nocturne kiln]

Hunhow also refers to these fragments as his children. Its likely taking some inspiration from mythologies where part of a god can function as a complete being

[graceful zodiac]

Kahl isn't fighting any of the significant Sentient

[scarlet basalt]

Iirc sentient can be killed by a shovel

[agile gorge]

true, but even stuff like Battalysts and Conculysts can adapt to damage, ya know?

[graceful zodiac]

He ain't doing nothing to an Aerolyst or Typholyst(?)

[nocturne kiln]

then I dont know how to show it when im past that point in the story

[tight pagoda]

They're quite strong at the start of his section in New War, but once you get that Prime Weapon from the fallen Rhino, they're one-shot. It's possible the weapons he gets in his mission are just as tough-- in fact, I think you get a Kuva weapon too

[scarlet basalt]

Soldier from TF2 would love to kill sentient

[nocturne kiln]

I suppose I could just find a clip and post it...

[nova harness]

Wasn’t it a Grineer that killed a dax with a shovel not Sentient

[agile gorge]

fair, but a lotta the time in Veilbreaker missions he's using mundane Grineer weapons

[scarlet basalt]

People told me it was a sentient but it would be even more surprising lol

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, but they can also blow up easily in canon. They're the basic foot soldiers for a reason

[agile gorge]

it was a Sentient that they killed, and so they used that Grineer as a template for a gene mold

[nocturne kiln]

I shall just post this and let each make thier own judgements. https://youtu.be/puHDGibd_ck?si=0cqTy94Kd8RmQhN-&t=106

[scarlet basalt]

Wild that DE made a fist fight between teshin and erra 😭😭😭

[agile gorge]

still, I dunno. feels a bit underwhelming imo, they should at least have some extra resilience on display

[nocturne kiln]

I will say... I am convinced. i think I was wrong

[nova harness]

If you punch a Warframe would you just hurt yourself more the frame

[agile gorge]

Erra owned Varzia twice. first physically, then emotionally

[nocturne kiln]

There is no wrist underneath

But then... why does it go away afterward for cosmetics?

[scarlet basalt]

I think it's more for the gameplay
I mean rhino literally died in the new war

[agile gorge]

rip Rhino now we can never play him again

he died for our archon shards

[zenith jacinth]

There were a bunch of the sentients with anti-transference fields on the plains

[scarlet basalt]

The tankiest Warframe died to sentient 😭😭😭

[tight pagoda]

Post New-War, the sentients may have become a lot weaker, because apparently the Grineer and Corpus basically drove off Narmer forces on their own

[nova harness]

New player confirmed

[nocturne kiln]

Welcome to Revnant

[scarlet basalt]

Oh true it make sense to just put that for them

[agile gorge]

I dunno, Rhino's the "heaviest" warframe... but now we have frames like Grendel and Qorvex, and debatably Hildryn

[scarlet basalt]

Number wise he is the tankiest tbf since his over guard has no limit
Even tho every Warframe is very tanky

[agile gorge]

but maybe Qorvex isn't very heavy without his concrete slabs, at least

[graceful zodiac]

Not really weaker, they lost their main two command units and the majority of Narmer forces were forced to work to begin with

[agile gorge]

also, I haven't touched Rhino/Nezha in forever, but have their abilities been reflavored to give overguard?

[scarlet basalt]

Qorvex high hp and armor is the start of the new Warframe base stats ? There's also kullervo but well he is played ,with only over guard which isn't affected by armor

[plush swan]

Here are some ingame screenshots I took in Teshin's Cave.

IDK where you got yours from

[agile gorge]

hmm? I was talking about his heaviness in lore

[scarlet basalt]

Oh that idk
I just know that for some weird reason albretch put a demon core inside an infested puppet

[agile gorge]

and he's based for that

I love Chernobylframe

[scarlet basalt]

The techrot when they learn that they could just take Chernobyl 😭😭

[agile gorge]

infested Godzilla

[thick jolt]

think i have found the best shot that proves it is the lotus hand that split drifter's hand
since in this shot we have both of drifter's hands in view

[nova harness]

I mean he can distort time

[scarlet basalt]

The artistic choice for making a dismembered arms is to make a scorn type of dismemberment is wild

[sour adder]

They ain’t even big slabs

[agile gorge]

concrete is heavy af tho

[sour adder]

Also greetings spoiler chat

[agile gorge]

as someone who's had to haul concrete slabs under a house for a time

[nova harness]

Concrete vs a Rhino

[scarlet basalt]

Btw one cubic meter of concrete is 2.4 tonnes lmaooo

[agile gorge]

but also warframes are made of metallized flesh so idk how heavy the average warframe is

[sour adder]

Rhino was like the original tank (I believe) so it would make aense that he’s at least heavier than most frames

[agile gorge]

ya, but I'm wondering if it still holds up that he's the singular heaviest frame

[nova harness]

Isn’t him being the most heavy frame canon?

[sour adder]

Genuinely says it in his desc

[agile gorge]

it is, ya, but that was technically written before our operator discovers that Albrecht left us Qorvex

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think you can even weigh a Warframe bcz like there's flying infested organism in Deimos 😭😭

[agile gorge]

that's true, ya

[sour adder]

I’m sure ordis could find a way

[nova harness]

What would happen if you put concrete vs a Rhino

[scarlet basalt]

But I think qorvex is at least 600 kg

[sour adder]

Qorvex was made for the Chosen operator as like a shield from the labs radiation (I think)

[nova harness]

Qorvex vs Rhino when?

[agile gorge]

I think more like a weapon against the murmur

[plush swan]

Note, in particular, the "glove" on the right hand, with thumb and index finger exposed, like the Lotus:

[scarlet basalt]

Rhino would lose I think

[sour adder]

Rhino has iron skin and can disrupt time with a blink of his foot

[sour adder]

Bonk

[agile gorge]

I dunno, I think iron skin might be a good defense against Qorvex's radiation

did u just reply to urself

[scarlet basalt]

Did you just reply to yourself
But qorvex has a demon core 🥺🥺

[sour adder]

Meant to edit but replied instead

[agile gorge]

oh lol

[sour adder]

Aw

That’s foul language? That’s annoying

[agile gorge]

ngl considering what Rhino can do to the floor, he has a shot of breaking through Qorvex's concrete

[sour adder]

Considering that he can stomp and do it on basically any material

[winter sparrow]

Rhino uses his 1 and breaks through like the kool aid man

[agile gorge]

o man, imagine what Rhino could do if he decides to give some poor soul steppies

[plush swan]

Rhino has 97.5% slow vs Qorvex's 35%

Qorvex inflicts damage vulnerability, but Rhino has Roar

[sour adder]

Pretty sure I’ve crushed a grineer with a rhino stomp before

[sour adder]

Rhino has temporary invuln with his iron skin, damage boost roar, gutting dash, and a time-distortion stomp

[scarlet basalt]

Please lotus eater give us a new murmur ennemy 🙏🙏🙏

[plush swan]

What about a Murmur Companion? 🙂

[nova harness]

You got a new murmur enemy with Dante Unbound

[plush swan]

Murmur Sentinel, perhaps?

[sour adder]

YES.

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah true but murmur have the coolest design, can I beg for more 🙏🙏🙏

[nova harness]

Nuh uh

[scarlet basalt]

It would be actually cool to see the triangle pyramid flying weird thing to be a skin

Or like the round dude

[sour adder]

I call them things directors

[nova harness]

Cameramen

[sour adder]

Mostly because I literally cannot be bothered to lean it’s name

[scarlet basalt]

Murmur are peak design 😔

[plush swan]

Severed Warden inspired Sentinel, with an Overguard precept and a laser tetrahedron precept

[scarlet basalt]

Hope that this mean that they will do more freaky design for corpus and grineer

[plush swan]

Or maybe the laser tetrahedron is just the weapon it comes with...

[sour adder]

The overguard would be that thing they do with their hands with the blue beam

[plush swan]

Oh, what about a Whisper companion, that looks like a copy of you, and runs around doing stuff?

[scarlet basalt]

We should wait the companion rework.
Maybe they do have more plans... It would not be surprising if they expand the companion to have some kind of Pokemon type of ability, where you could use abilities from some special ennemies and use them for you

But like you can stack with the eximus's one lmao

[sour adder]

There’s a precept for hounds that can take an eximus aura which is kinda similar

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah that's what I thought but maybe expanding it would be cool

[sour adder]

And which is also really good if a jade aura gets taken by it.

[scarlet basalt]

Sad that It target random ennemy and not vip target like another eximus

[tight pagoda]

Some sort of Grimoire companion?

[scarlet basalt]

Grimoire companion sounds raw

Like they could do some weird reason like : "you know tuvul's lore ? What if ?"

[sour adder]

Isn’t that just wordwarden?

[scarlet basalt]

Oh... True...

[sour adder]

Then again wordwarden does have a timer

Omg

A grimoire companion that can use tome mods

[scarlet basalt]

It would be peak...

[plush swan]

... I should do some Mirror Defense for Tome Mods... once I'm done doing Mirror Defense for Citrine.

[sour adder]

Tyana pass MD?

[scarlet basalt]

Just buy the tome pack in the market
The entire tome pack, never buy from other player

[agile gorge]

omg being able to recolor the Cavia is the funnies but also the most cursed thing

and also being able to give Bird 3 a hug is sweet

[wise solstice]

You can do that?

[wise solstice]

That’s just classic S tier Warframe

[real niche]

Rank 5

[agile gorge]

ya, after you reach rank 5 with them, and you go through the whole "rainbow chamber" dialogue

[wise solstice]

Now I don’t wanna get rank 5

[wise solstice]

Nice

[real niche]

You can just not color them, silly

[wise solstice]

But I like fashion frame-

[real niche]

what

[wise solstice]

I won’t be able to hold myself back

I like everything being my own personal thing

In Warframe

[real niche]

Well you need R5 for Netracells too, so have fun with that

[agile gorge]

o ya, I get to try Netracells and Archimedia

o wow, you can actually comfort all 3 of the animals

...but, where's the option to comfort Loid, hmm? what about recoloring Loid? 👀 👄 👀

[zenith jacinth]

Loid doesn't need comforting

[agile gorge]

||Albrecht says otherwise||

[nocturne kiln]

Another failed graffiti test

[agile gorge]

legally distinct Bose

[tight pagoda]

You don’t need Rank 5 for netracells but you do need them for Deep Archimedia

[near rune]

based on the novel Push by Sapphire

[near rune]

I love the floppy disc. True 90s.

[nocturne kiln]

So glad they found a way to reuse the original concept models for the grineer

[nocturne kiln]

Did you hear about the teacher who brought one to his class and asked them what it was? One kid very confidently answered that it was a 3d printed save icon, as that was the only place he had seen the shape: as the save icon on programs.

[near rune]

That totally checks out honestly

I wonder what kids think it is. Just an abstract symbol?

Also with everything being cloud-based and auto-saving these days, maybe even the Save button will disappear.

I hear kids these days aren't familiar with the concept of folders and files because everything's browser-based.

[nocturne kiln]

They dont know how to unzip files either

[fierce summit]

"Don't Die of Piracy"
Something something techrot can spread via information so pirating something online might actually expose you to the infestation.

[nocturne kiln]

I see it now

[fierce summit]

"Cheer Up" looks correct to me, but yeah that lower line is a mess. That being said, I think I have discerned the two lines. The upper line is somewhat diagonal and starts with a "b" character, while the lower line is level and starts with an "s" character.

"B-EHS-T N-OOZ EHV-EHR"
"S-T-AE OWT UHV DTH-UH S-EEOOR-Z"

So, it's "Best news ever" and "Stay out of the sewers". Now, while the first line is still easily readable, you might be wondering how on earth I got the second line when it is next to impossible to translate the "out" and "of" from that jumble of lines? Well, I cheated. This line of graffiti appears in a few other locations (one is next to Arthur and that where I saw it first) and so once I recognized the "s-eeoor-z" as "sewers" it was easy to figure out that the "t" with some kind of vowel must be an "owt" and the "v" right next to it with another obscured vowel must be "uhv".

In other words this one is impossible without context clues from other pieces of graffiti, so don't sweat it here.

[nocturne kiln]

Hey, its how I got Major Neci's name for the martial law poster. This is more about me being able to read the script than who translates it first/better

[fierce summit]

Also side note - "sewers" contains another double vowel (s-eeoor-z) to create the "ew" sound.

[nocturne kiln]

S-your-z

: )

[solemn cloud]

Interestingly that's a trick in ancient Egyptian as well.
The letter "i" on its own makes an "ee" sound (like keep), but "ii" makes a "y" sound (like yellow) in the transliteration.

It seems they may have employed a proper linguist to create the Orokin language, to have that sort of nuance.

[near rune]

I think Orokin script just uses Oo as a W. "Warframe" is spelled OoORFRAeM, with Oo replacing W.

I wouldn't call the vowel in "war" a double vowel.

[fierce summit]

Does it appear as two vowel symbols over the “r” or is the “oo” standalone (over a filler “h”)? Because I know that in 1999 script the letter “w” is often depicted as an “h” with an “oo” over it (and then sometimes as a single consonant with two vowels over it).

Likewise an “ee” over an “h” can also indicate a “y” consonant sound.

The reason I ask is because I mean “double-vowel” literally, if you look at the “r” character you’ll notice two distinct vowel symbols above it rather than one. Hence the vowel is double, because there’s one more than usually expected.

[near rune]

It's both vowels over the R

[fierce summit]

Ah. So then I’d still consider this a “double vowel” even though it’s technically a consonant-vowel pair over another consonant, because there’s two vowel symbols.
(It's also not lost on me that around half the examples of what I'm calling "double-vowels" are actually this type of consonant-vowel pair and thus calling them "double-vowels" is not entirely accurate).

[warm anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdPBj-SSBn8 i finally got around to watching this

holy moly

[bleak basin]

Isn’t lotus eater a nod to snake eater? The game

[nova harness]

No it’s probably a reference to the Lotus eaters

[scarlet basalt]

what if lotus get eaten by wally

[nova harness]

Then we conceptually embody him dying

[scarlet basalt]

we will have the void version of the paracesis given by unum
Source : my dreams

[prime raptor]

We will have to find a new mission control. Who is the best for this role?

[zenith jacinth]

Same as last time

[obtuse gyro]

I vote for cy this time

[brazen cloud]

i heard lotus root is crunchy, slightly sweet with a little bitterness

and the leaves themselves are eaten boiled and wrapped around rice and steamed dishes

[prime raptor]

Someone mute would be wonderful

[obtuse gyro]

If you eat them in Mala, you theyll sneakily store a whole chunk of the spices so that when you bite them you get a mouth full of fire

[frail whale]

We could have teshi oh wait no uhhh we could have Cy I guess

[visual shoal]

You'd then have to learn sign language to proceed further into the game...

[nova harness]

I’d say subtitles but remembered Warframe players can't read

[prime raptor]

What is better for warframe players, not being able to read or being able to but read wiki?

[visual shoal]

Subtitle placement is also a nuisance.... Think it's the Ropalolyst mission where Lotus takes over a good chunk of the screen while you're trying to get to your objective...

[plush swan]

Truly nefarious.

Definitely a convincing villainous act.

[visual shoal]

In Lotus Eaters you find out Lotus has been replaced by an evil clone (a while back, during TNW by Ballas as a alternative effort to rid the Tenno....executing a sort of protocol 66 [Star Wars] to slowly kill them off, thus leading you to head back to 1999...)

[rain otter]

The wiki has "fine" technical advice just not lore stuff so able to read the wiki.

[rain otter]

We regrew her from a hand.

[real niche]

If the lore thing you're reading isn't ripped from the game directly, ignore it. Simple rule

[prime raptor]

Too much misinformation and outdated information for me. Personally, I’m already used to just checking something myself, and not looking for it somewhere, because that’s the only way to be sure

[nova harness]

and the background lore of the WARFRAME universe.

They basically say they suck

[real niche]

The only outdated info I remember on wiki was stuff no one cares about anyway

[nocturne kiln]

Lotus eaters will likely examine why only one version of the Tenno stays behind (Ala the island of the lotus eaters) the operator stays behind to protect the origin system they know like the back of thier hand while the drifter does what he does best in 1999: adapt to a new scenario

[noble beacon]

I fr dont like my drifter at all

[scarlet basalt]

To think that the hex member will one day discover skibidi toilet is wild

they would be old sure, but they would still discover that thing

[noble beacon]

I hope not

[nocturne kiln]

God I hope they sleep through it all

[nocturne kiln]

They'll probably warframeize one day, then will have pseudo immortality via biolock. And to think, all it will cost is thier humanity and sense of self

[scarlet basalt]

tbf in 1999 they are scared of the infested toilet

[nocturne kiln]

A big prediction of mine is at one point we discover quincy in the orogin system, long since he fully became Cyte-09

[scarlet basalt]

that would...Kinda make sense, bcz if on lyne is still alive to this day then who said quincy couldn't ?

sure he wouldn't be british

[nocturne kiln]

Could make his Gemini emote unique by having his head change back before our eyes

[plush swan]

One of the Hex: "Hey, has anyone seen Drifter?"
Drifter: steps out of the infested toilet "I'm here. I was just 'doing my business'."
The Hex: 😱

Maybe with something about how Drifter is "pleasantly surprised" that they had a "modern-ish" toilet, not one of those primitive things where you have to wipe your butt off with paper after taking a 💩

[scarlet basalt]

wild that the infestation launched a stadium into space for no reason

[fickle estuary]

I imagine it probably went like
Main infested hivemind : "Can you please turn it down we can't hear our own screeching"
On-lyne : " HERE ON THE EDGE OF 1999 "
Main Hivemind : "To space with thy"

[visual shoal]

Article from Wednesday 10 April 2024

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

Wally after reading

[nocturne kiln]

The Zeek Online coda worm returning to take over the main hive mind:

"Join us, embrace us, don't ever erase us"

[sour adder]

Zeke*

[zenith jacinth]

Bear zeek zeek lest*

[nocturne kiln]

Damn autocorrect

[nova harness]

Huh

[ocean void]

I didn’t know where to find the channel so I just searched it up

[nova harness]

Why didn't you just use the regular search function

[ocean void]

forgot it existed

[scarlet basalt]

I hope that now that drifter seems to be confirmed to be more outside of duviri plot, (TNW,lotus eater,likely 1999) that we will have more exploration in the void, if there are other being that need "light", like how Quinn said :

"Perhaps… yes. Blame lingers… but so does duty. And who is to say that is not why we were recreated? The Indifference has awoken, and all of the Void's creations must find a light. Even ones we thought lost… in another time. Let eternity be our horizon. Until then: we shall Hold Fast."

[plush swan]

What if Rell actually is just sleeping, not dead like people assumed?

[balmy storm]

We watched him move on, his story was told, he’s gone.

[real niche]

"assumed"

[nocturne kiln]

I mean he disintegrated so...

[plush swan]

If a little thing like disintegration was going to perma-kill a Tenno, Ballas would have done it. 😄

[zenith jacinth]

How

[plush swan]

But yeah, I definitely consider Rell "probably dead"

[real niche]

Well one, Rell already gave up his human body for the frame, which we broke.
Two, Ballas hasn't tried to kill an Operator before.

[plush swan]

Ballas presumably had access to the Lotus's knowledge, in addition to whatever he had from before the Fall, and seemed to believe that killing us was beyond his means.

But yeah, it's solidly plausible Rell did something that specifically made him vulnerable to perma-dying, or that he simply decided to die and it worked.

[zenith jacinth]

He lived long enough

Fused into his frame to continue keeping mitw contained

[real niche]

The quest also flat out mentioned that Rell knew that he'd die from his old age

Wait why did I mention this I'm stupid

[plush swan]

I'm not actually trying to discuss whether Rell made the "right" choice, or whether he'd have perma-died of something else if he didn't?

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if rell actually did contain mitw or if mitw just played along

That sentence seems wrong...

[fiery kettle]

[real niche]

Way I see it, quest happened 7 years ago irl, not a single mention of him since, he's dead.

[fiery kettle]

theres no way a kid can solo hold back a reality-level threat he likely just played along

[lyric grove]

Technically we did a reference to his death.

[winter sparrow]

I think there’s a thing about rell on ||the computer by loid in sanctum anatomica ||

Could just be a recap of what we already know though

[graceful zodiac]

There is, and it confirms Rell's spirit moved on

[nova harness]

9. THE SENTINEL

The Tenno has been made aware of Rell, a fellow Tenno who was outcast by his peers.

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as ‘The Man In The Wall’.

With Rell’s death, that responsibility has now transferred to the Tenno.

[sharp isle]

let that boy rest

[balmy storm]

let him rest, please 😭

[solemn cloud]

If anyone wants a fridge horror moment, play the New War and count the number of kids in the classroom.

Then count the survivors you see later in the quest. 😭

[sharp isle]

. . . are there more or less? because less kids would make sense.

[balmy storm]

We don’t know if those kids are dead or not

[solemn cloud]

That's why it's fridge horror/fridge logic.

[nova harness]

Apparently, there were babies on the Zariman

[sour adder]

Fridge..logic? (I am inexperienced with logics)

[zenith jacinth]

What is logic

[nova harness]

Fridge Logic is the writer's-room term for these little Internal Consistency issues

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno don't hurt me

[sour adder]

Something you clearly don’t have/I’m entirely joking

[solemn cloud]

Fridge horror is when something happens in a film or game or whatever and later when you think about it you realize that it was something that could be a lot more horrifying than you originally thought. It's something not outright stated, but isn't contradicted by what's shown, either.

Fridge logic is the process of piecing it together to come to the conclusion that there could be more than you originally thought, to a scene (whether comedic, horrifying, etc).

[zenith jacinth]

No you right

I am entirely illogical

I'm not built different, I am built incorrectly

[nova harness]

You are Cephalon Scrap that isn't logic at all

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just built wrong. I should not exist

[sour adder]

So basically horror investigation/exploration with scenes that seem fine but actually are horrifying when analysed?

[nova harness]

Shall we just scrap you entirely

[sour adder]

You just built wrong

[zenith jacinth]

If anyone gets the reference: you're entitled to gain five of my most useless void relics

[sour adder]

Russian badger/ heavenly?

[zenith jacinth]

Ok now I actually have to look through my void relics

[sour adder]

Kek it’s fine scrap I have enough

[zenith jacinth]

I have too many

[nova harness]

Scrap has 10 month old relics

[sour adder]

I have like 5 year old relics

[zenith jacinth]

And some even older

[nova harness]

Scrap is a 10 month old relic

[solemn cloud]

Absolutely.

[zenith jacinth]

I started my second account not long after my first, there's some old relics on there

[sour adder]

I have like loads of relics for like trace farming and like a lot of singular relics I have no clue what do

[zenith jacinth]

I'm a three to four years old relic

[solemn cloud]

Baddum tiss.

[zenith jacinth]

I started playing right when sevagoth just released

[nova harness]

I'm a almost 5-year-old Relic that somehow still plays this game

[solemn cloud]

I'm a monument to an ancient warrior caste.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm a problem

[nova harness]

Are you a skill issue yet?

[zenith jacinth]

No but I create skill issues in my enemies

[sour adder]

I’ve been playing since like octavias anthem (profile won’t show it) also been around since the damn raid of retribution or whatever it was

Back when I was an iddie bitty volt

[zenith jacinth]

I used excal/umbra for way too long

And I never figured out how to play them correctly

[sour adder]

Umbra is my current main next to wisp and Dante and gauss

[zenith jacinth]

My mains are lavos, sevagoth and kullervo

[fiery kettle]

murmur adversaries when

[nova harness]

I play Warframe for lore idc that wiki try to call it the background

[sour adder]

I need kullervo his wrathful advance is just too fun

[zenith jacinth]

His entire kit is

[zenith jacinth]

Oh also qorvex and voruna if rng didn't have a personal issue with me

[sour adder]

I’ve one hit circuit jade eximi (it’s not a common thing for me to one hit anything above 60, so I get excited and happy when a weapon does that sort of dmg)

[nova harness]

I have all 100 Warframes and over 100 weapons and still am only MR 28

Way over 100 actually

[zenith jacinth]

I see why I was compared to smokefinger with the way I tend to complain now

[nova harness]

I try to forget Smokefinger exists

[zenith jacinth]

I try not to, he's my favorite solaris

I'm jealous of him having never-decaying argon though

[nova harness]

I prefer Biz because how he says Outworlder run

[fiery kettle]

ticker is cool

[nova harness]

I like how Little Duck tries to snipe an Orb Mother

[zenith jacinth]

I like smokefinger specifically because of how he complains, maybe that's why I do it in a similar way

It's just funny to me for some reason

[sour adder]

HE HAS ARGON? As in for sale or on display

[zenith jacinth]

Display

[sour adder]

D’oh

[nova harness]

Scrap you and Smokefinger have something in common

Not just complaining as you say

[sour adder]

He’s really knowledgeable (scrap)

[nova harness]

Both Scrap and Smokefinger deal with scrap

[zenith jacinth]

This name has lead to many jokes

[nova harness]

I bet all the jokes were scrap anyway

[zenith jacinth]

I also really like minerals

Mainly metals but gems too

[nova harness]

Does Cephalon Scrap have a Trashcan skin like Ordis

[zenith jacinth]

I don't even have a singular form like the other cephalons

[nova harness]

You aren’t reaching your full scrap potential then

[zenith jacinth]

I'm like the sheogorath of the weave, all the others avoid me for some reason

[nova harness]

Can a Cephalon escape the weave

[zenith jacinth]

They can be disconnected from it like the elden ring reference

Nihil

[nova harness]

How did Nihil get out after getting in

[zenith jacinth]

The other cephalons seem to choose when to disconnect others

[nova harness]

The fact Nihil went on a glassing rampage and it amounted to nothing is funny

If Nihil got out in the event why can’t he get out now

[zenith jacinth]

I divided him up into two

[nova harness]

Are you the Cephalon Nihil hates the most

[zenith jacinth]

I'm the cephalon he fears the most

[balmy storm]

Do not remove the S from Scrap’s name
Worse thing I ever did 😦

[zenith jacinth]

That's why I can't be scrap in-game

[balmy storm]

😔

[nova harness]

Scroll up and look what I put

[zenith jacinth]

I wish I could have my correct name

[balmy storm]

Where

[nova harness]

Look where scrap said about jokes

[balmy storm]

Ahhah

Scrap jokes

[nova harness]

If I even said it a letter wrong though Loid would nuke me

[sour adder]

I feel like scrap would be a chaotic neutral cephalon

[nova harness]

He’s not Chaotic neutral he’s just Chaotic

Read what he said above

[zenith jacinth]

This is my nickname in another server

[sour adder]

I am smi77y, prediction engine

[zenith jacinth]

Smii7y's evil twin

[sour adder]

What server is that if I may ask?

[zenith jacinth]

Tale foundry

[sour adder]

I’m true neutral thank you very much. Depends on the day

[nova harness]

Scrap isn’t Chaotic Neutral in Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Only reason I'm not chaotic evil or chaotic good is because I'm too chaotic to fit into either category

[balmy storm]

I love Oofram!

[zenith jacinth]

I have to give disclaimers to people I get into warframe that I might sometimes say oorfram instead because I do it so often

[sour adder]

You’re true chaotic

[nova harness]

Chaotic Prime

[zenith jacinth]

Chaotic umbra

[nova harness]

Chaotic Umbra Prime

[sour adder]

Prisma chaotic prime umbra deluxe

So Many terms that don’t belong together

[zenith jacinth]

Perfect chaos

[nocturne kiln]

So he's chinese

[zenith jacinth]

Wait is that one copyrighted

[sour adder]

From what

[zenith jacinth]

Sega probably would copyright something as generic as "perfect chaos"

[sour adder]

Nah

[nova harness]

I forgot sega still existed

[zenith jacinth]

I can't forget sega or the sound from their logo starts jumpscaring me again when I play yakuza

That's not even a joke that sound made me flinch until near the end of the second game I played

[nova harness]

I have a feeling Ordan Karris was less of a menace to Warframe than Cephalon Scrap

[sour adder]

I really wanna hear about ordan in the future

[nova harness]

His story has already been told

[zenith jacinth]

And I'm not just contained to warframe. The people of faerûn still talk about the concerningly violent bard warlock

[sour adder]

From the hidden messgaes? (No pun intended)

[nova harness]

Codex fragments

[sour adder]

When I say I wanna hear about ordan I mean I wanna actively see him in like combat or just as a character

[nova harness]

You can’t

He got turned into a Cephalon

Now he can just gas Orbiters

[zenith jacinth]

He can also headbutt things as a sentinel now

Augment the sentinel into a full combat mech

[sour adder]

Yeah but he obviously wasn’t one originally. I personally despise how we don’t know when practically anything happened TOW or earlier

[nova harness]

As in a specific timeframe

They are all put in order

[sour adder]

Like when was the old war? How long did it take for ordan karris to be cephalon’d like a WH40k dreadnaught?

[zenith jacinth]

At least 3

[sour adder]

Also how long has he been a cephalon for? Was he one before the war or after? I need answers dammit

[zenith jacinth]

Before

[lean ocean]

whats the purpose of a cephalon

[zenith jacinth]

The orokin didn't live for long after the war

[nova harness]

Depends on the Cephalon

[zenith jacinth]

No idea what a cephalob is, but the purpose of a cephalon is different for each one

[lean ocean]

give me examples

[sour adder]

^ Cy is like military advisor, and ordis is literally the operators personal assistant. The others all have their things

[nova harness]

Cy does Railjack Zariman had a teacher called Melica Ordis protects the ship

[lean ocean]

ah

[zenith jacinth]

The orokin just said "he's too dangerous to be left alive" before I was glassed

[nova harness]

Lotus even has a personal assistant

[solemn cloud]

Because the Orokin are hard opposed to AI, Cephalons fill that role as an interface for information catalogue and retrieval - in a variety of use cases.

They are the base "operating systems" with all kinds of specializations.

[nova harness]

Being alive as a Warframe player doesn’t exist

[solemn cloud]

I'm just a meat popsicle.

[zenith jacinth]

I feel very alive when I'm released into an exterminate or survival mission

[sour adder]

So was melica a willing cephalon? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a cephalon always being a cephalon except maybe cy

[solemn cloud]

Cephalons were people.

[nova harness]

Change of plans ignore your original objective leave nothing alive

[solemn cloud]

Me and my Cedo love that change of objectives.

[sour adder]

Yeah so like was melica willing to be digimorphed into a cephalon?

[zenith jacinth]

Nah the enemy spawning in those is too irregular

Too many breaks

[zenith jacinth]

Unknown

[solemn cloud]

Knowing the Orokin? Probably not willing.

[zenith jacinth]

Meh, not so certain with cephalons

[nova harness]

DE should tell us about how more humans became Cephalons

[sour adder]

THANK YOU

[zenith jacinth]

We know why ordis is a cephalon

[nova harness]

We don’t even know how Scrap became a Cephalon

[solemn cloud]

DE should tell us what happened to "humans". I'd love to learn some post-nuclear, pre-Orokin history.

[zenith jacinth]

Humans still exist

[zenith jacinth]

I just said how

[zenith jacinth]

.

[solemn cloud]

Genetically? Sure. But "Humanity" as we know it? Not even close.

[nova harness]

Violence?

[zenith jacinth]

Chaos

[sour adder]

Ok so I’m my mind there is a divide of willing / unwilling cephalons. With ordis as unwilling and melica potentially as willing(?)

[nova harness]

Did they tell us how Cy became a Cephalon

[zenith jacinth]

No

[nova harness]

Suda was willing

[sour adder]

Simaris?

[zenith jacinth]

Probably

[nova harness]

Suda wasn’t well so agreed to become a cephalon

[zenith jacinth]

Simaris sounds too personally dedicated for his job to be forced

[sour adder]

Willing: Suda, simaris, melica, cy(?)

Unwilling: ordis(resistance), probably also jordas

[zenith jacinth]

Uncertain: cy, jordas

[nova harness]

Cordylon

[sour adder]

Who

[zenith jacinth]

We don't talk about cordylon

[nova harness]

It is Cordylon's responsibility to sort and file knowledge obtained by the Lotus. Although the acquisition of such data occupies most of the AI's time, there are moments where Cordylon can be inclined to share the fruits of its labor with others. On those rare occasions, its massive databanks open and offer those deemed worthy insight.

[balmy storm]

Why is Melica willing?

[sour adder]

I’ve never heard of cordylon

[nova harness]

Just because you want his job?

[zenith jacinth]

...no

[sour adder]

Teacher on the zariman, just makes sense to me

[nova harness]

So she continues teaching

[balmy storm]

We know that people were glassed on the Zariman as punishment and used as cephalons.

[nova harness]

It’s not a story the Lotus would tell you

[zenith jacinth]

And DE has apparently forgotten about... them?

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t call Melica willing purely because of what we know happened with cephalons on the Zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Melica must have existed before any on-board glassings happened

[nova harness]

No the guy who did it left DE so they stopped his QnA

[balmy storm]

That’s certainly an assumption about her

[zenith jacinth]

Could've had someone else do it

[nova harness]

They just decided not to continue it

[balmy storm]

We know glassings happened, those cephalons were used somewhere