spoiler-chat

[thick jolt]

nah lets not

[nocturne kiln]

We will need to go fight Bill gates and Steve jobs to stop them from controlling the infested to fight each other

Albrecht is backing Steve Jobs by creating the Entrati Eye-pods used by the infested

[zenith jacinth]

We fail and they end up becoming fass and vome

[agile gorge]

imagine if War's incarnon form was just summoning a complete Hunhow

[plush swan]

I'm thinking "The Lotus Eaters" is most likely connected to either Narmer (Veils) or maybe Void Angels.

Depending on how Void Angels happen/work, which I'm not sure if we know much about

[nocturne kiln]

I think Broken war should get one instead. Cannonically its what happens after war was broken and also people use it even less than war. It needs some love

[agile gorge]

I do wanna see the Natah family reunited somehow, as much as they can be

it's Praghasa dead dead, or just hibernating?

[plush swan]

I'm pretty sure Praghasa is dead

Buuuut... we might see Lotus and Hunhow interacting?

[agile gorge]

huh. I wasn't sure, cuz Sentients are weird like that

I wonder if she can be revived. did Erra flat out die before he became Pazuul?

[nocturne kiln]

Dead dead. Erra calls her as such. Erra may be alive in someway, but badly mutilated

He did some kind of sacrifice but was badly hurt. On top of that, he fused with the ram

[agile gorge]

wait, but what if her arcane oro is around somewhere?

[nocturne kiln]

Oro is made by living things...

Assuming she somehow had any, if it was anywhere, it would be back in tau

[agile gorge]

I thought sentients had their own synthetic "arcane" oro?

[plush swan]

Do we know what an Oro even is, outside of a philosophical concept of a "singular identity" or something?

[agile gorge]

I don't think it's been expanded upon much in recent years

[nocturne kiln]

Seems I'm projecting my opinions a bit. Let me reverse my statement and say what the official wiki says

"Currently, not much is known about Oro, only that it is a property intrinsic to all Tenno, and it is also stated by Teshin that there are enemies who possess the same power."

[plush swan]

It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.
-- Albrecht Entrati, Fragments, "The Cavia"

[nocturne kiln]

Oro is the ability to revive yourself, a form of immortality. The orokin did so through continuity. We the Tenno do so by pressing x on each other

[nocturne kiln]

[plush swan]

What is the in-game or word-of-author statement behind this?

[graceful zodiac]

There isn't really

The only two things we know of Oro is Teshin's initial statement and now Albrecht's addition

[obtuse gyro]

Oro is the ability to revive yourself, a form of immortality. The orokin did so through continuity. We the Tenno do so by pressing x on each other
This cannot be correct, because Oro isnt an ability it is some thing

"Oro is the binding force for an enemy who, like the Tenno, can survive death. To kill such an enemy is futile, unless you sever this bond; absorb the Oro to annihilate it and claim a true victory."

[nocturne kiln]

It is the energy by which both processes are able to be achieved

It is so important that the Orokin named themselves after it as a suprior form of energy/possible life force

[obtuse gyro]

It is so important that the Orokin named themselves after it as a suprior form of energy/possible life force
This is uh, headcannon at best

[graceful zodiac]

Except it really isn't, because the Cavia can be argued to have it

[nocturne kiln]

The Cavia having Oro doesnt negate its importance

Rather, its yet another example of auto-revival

[plush swan]

Ooh, unspecified enemy?

Might be talking about the Orokin

[obtuse gyro]

albrecht's statements would indicate its a property/matter of consciousness, since its contingent on that "full distinction of a singular persona"

[obtuse gyro]

nah iirc it was Sentient Prep

because yknow, killing the fragment doesnt kill the sentient

much like how killing the warframe doesnt kill the tenno

[graceful zodiac]

Not really? The Cavia haven't shown any ability to revive, they were going to properly die until Loid intervened

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, ill admit is a Casual observation

Steve Sinclair described the Oro as something "which represents the resurrection ability of Tenno and other enemies that Teshin is most concerned with"

So, if the cavia have it

its likely to be involved in resurection

[obtuse gyro]

whats the source for this?

[nocturne kiln]

The orokin The Zariman's Reliquary Drive is located in a zone named "Oro Works", possibly indicating a link to Reliquaries or the Void. Albrecht Entrati's grimoire notes that Oro is a manifestation of a complex consciousness, and thus animals do not have Oro

[agile gorge]

I'm still looking for the part of the lore with "arcane oro"

[obtuse gyro]

thats because it dont exist

[nocturne kiln]

Warframe Devstream 52

[obtuse gyro]

theres 3 places oro is mentioned, teshin, albrecht's Cavia notes, and the Oro Works

[agile gorge]

ugh, I'm not gonna hear it until I find the source. I know I've heard it before

[nocturne kiln]

One way we could look at as the hypothetical energy manifested by superior force of will

[obtuse gyro]

sure, let me know when you conceptually embody it

[agile gorge]

oh shut up

[obtuse gyro]

I would argue that the queasy debates as well as naming the drive area as the "oro works" would make it less of a "revive power" (which would retcon steve's ancient statements) and more of a "mind thing"

that said, oro importance isnt actually hyped up, a top scientist goes bleh at it, and the Orokin have more ties to oro as gold than oro as spooky force

[nocturne kiln]

It is the mcguffin energy that makes the world of warframe possible/interesting. I dont think it would be too far of a stretch to say it also involves Transference. Perhaps it has to do with void exposure?

[graceful zodiac]

It certainly doesn't relate to transference

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think it would be too far of a stretch to say it also involves Transference.
Given how little we have on oro it would be a far stretch no matter what anyone does

[nocturne kiln]

Well, it specifies it as being a power the tenno have

this means most others dont have it. Since the orokin could achieve transference, and there were many of them that could do so, I think thats a more logical reasoning why it doesnt have to do with transference

So more likely, it has to deal with void born abilities

Why else would it be an area unique to the reliquary drive?

[plush swan]

Teshin describes it as like the Tenno, but in a way that implies it might not be what keeps a Tenno alive

[graceful zodiac]

Except Albrecht will fully claim Kalymos would have Oro. Plus, the Orokin didn't go into the void at all

[plush swan]

No, he doesn't claim it

[nocturne kiln]

I think its simply a man saying "My cat is too smart to be merely a dumb animal"

DE does have some whimsy

[plush swan]

He claims that Kalymos possesses "a singular persona"

The Oro is something at least somewhat separate from that

[obtuse gyro]

So more likely, it has to deal with void born abilities
But teshin's conclave was preparing to deal with enemies from beyond the Outer Terminus, which would indicate he was talking about the Sentients, so like isolating it to being "void born abilities" dont seem to make sense in this context

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, literally what he describes Oro as

[obtuse gyro]

not really

he says theres no need to talk about oro because of a property the cavia didnt have

[graceful zodiac]

Or rather, as relating

[obtuse gyro]

mmmm, which goes even more into the idea that oro isnt isolated to "void born abilities"

[agile gorge]

ok, I found where I heard about "arcane oro" from. it was in a StallorD video about the Sentients, but I can't find a hard source in the game's lore that explicitly mentions it. but it seens like StallorD's implying that it's tied into Chroma's quest

[obtuse gyro]

oh man

that means that stallorD made that up

The New Strange had no references to oro

[nocturne kiln]

He's using it as a synonym when the synonimity is unproven

[zenith jacinth]

What a surprisingly unsurprising surprise

[agile gorge]

welp, I'm not gonna say he didn't make an assumption) wrote headcanon

[obtuse gyro]

ok I will say it, he made an assumption and wrote headcanon

[agile gorge]

but until I can find out if he has an actual source for that, it solves that lil mystery for now

[obtuse gyro]

because he definitely did not have an actual source for that

[agile gorge]

cute. anyway

[thick jolt]

considering he's a warframe loretuber chances are he made it up

[agile gorge]

I'm scratching my head, but I guess I can't think of any way for Praghasa to come back

yeah, I'll assume for now that he took a liberty there

but, the wiki description does say that certain enemies have oro, so I won't dismiss it 100%

maybe like, 95% for now

[nocturne kiln]

You can probably look at her still functioning body as though it was lobotomized. If it wasnt, im sure Ballas made sure to do so once he claimed her as his seat of power

[thick jolt]

wiki used to say albrecht was born in the 20th century

take that as you will

[agile gorge]

...sheesh, when they told you not to use wiki in school, they really meant it

[nocturne kiln]

Vor probably has Oro thanks to his Janus key

[obtuse gyro]

yea, erra says mom is gone, but the design teams idea for praghasa was that she consumes ships and whatnot to repair her body

[agile gorge]

I mean, that's true, he does keep reviving

[nocturne kiln]

He's early enough in the concept of warframe that he was probably who Teshin was refering to when that dialogue was written

[obtuse gyro]

no? Vor is very much not from beyond the outer terminus

[nocturne kiln]

Oh god. neither are we. Teshin didnt explicitly say Oro can only come from the outer terminus

[obtuse gyro]

Horrors from beyond the Outer Terminus are coming. You must prepare. You must accept The Conclave.
Through trial combat, I will prepare you for the evils beyond the Outer Terminus.
Out there exist an enemy that can be struck down, incapacitated, dismantled and yet they rise to fight again.

[thick jolt]

the use of the wiki for lore purposes is dialogue transcripts and character quotes which are usually hidden as a button or link in a character's or event's page

[agile gorge]

but you know what is from beyond the outer terminus? 👀

[obtuse gyro]

Teshin's whole conclave shtick was to prepare for enemies beyond the outer terminus, this would mean that his whole "theres goobers out there" would refer to those enemies

and the only goobers from beyond the outer terminus are the Sentients

[agile gorge]

you know what, yeah. I should stick strictly to the quotes themselves, instead of the interpretations of the article authors

[nocturne kiln]

Derpy, Vor was around before the concept of what was beyond the terminus. Warframe is a procedurally written game . You cannot say 1999 was planned all along. The sentients were likely were made up along the way to fit the dialogue. any decent writer can make things obscure enough for aditional writing to be added on later

[thick jolt]

yeah the main pages aren't too usefull but as far as i have seen the transcripts haven't been modified by opinions

[nocturne kiln]

You know whats also beyond the outer terminus? the void

So anything from the void could be what he meant

[agile gorge]

hold on, hold on. I'm not even getting into 1999. now, let's take it like this: by the time the conclave was established, did DE already have the idea of the Sentients vaguely planned out?

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, the void is also not beyond the outer terminus, since its also accessible inside the origin system

[nocturne kiln]

Pardon me. I was using exageration to make a point as to the extent of planning the game ahead of time

[obtuse gyro]

given excal primes codex? yea

[agile gorge]

oh. woops. went over my head I guess, but uhh, anyway

[nocturne kiln]

I hate you for making me look up anything about that frame

[nocturne kiln]

When was the codex entry made and has it ever been changed?

[agile gorge]

did Mag Prime/Mirage also come out before Conclave was added?

[obtuse gyro]

like the first two words in the codex are "The Sentients"

[agile gorge]

wait

[nocturne kiln]

see this question Bau

[obtuse gyro]

never changed, but Im looking into when the codex entry was added into the game

[agile gorge]

nvm, cuz Excal Prime's entry

I'm remembering now, but for the longest time before they released, I wondered what the Sentients were

[nocturne kiln]

given the ability of "Super Jump"

Pretty early

[obtuse gyro]

well, I can say with 100000% certainty the codex entry was in the game before the conclave

[nocturne kiln]

Anyway, I'd like to banish Excal prime back into obscurity if you all dont mind. the point was proven

Alright. so the reference of "The sentients" is there

We do not know if this was a placeholder name but lets assume it wasnt

The sentients were also exposed to the void. Thats how they became barren

The possibility of Void exposure being a condition behind Oro is not off the table

[graceful zodiac]

I would say it is with Albrecht saying Kalymos would be capable of having it

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, this wouldnt apply to the sentients that Mag prime fought over at the blue star

since the blue star was then implied to be tau

[nocturne kiln]

I cant keep looking things up durring my lecture. Ill be back later if this is going to be a gambit of looking up info

[thick jolt]

update 14 sees the introduction of the mirage quest where lotus describes the sentient "worm ships"
then in update 15 we get stolen dreams with the first mention of the arcane machine that seems to first wake hunhow
update 16 has the continuation of the arcane machine thing in the new strange and introduces teshin and the new conclave
update 17 has natah and the first sentient unit being the drones scouting uranus

[obtuse gyro]

gambit?

you know how long I've been waiting for this? whoo Im aboutta make a name for myself

[nocturne kiln]

dont worry, ill be back for you. I just simply have to put preparing and completing my philosphy final first before videogames. No need to irresponsibly theorize warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Ah mans definitely not watched DP & W yet

Full Mag Prime Codex

Warframe Archive - Debrief excerpt
We sat strapped in, safeties off, waiting for the punch. Waiting for death. Through my filthy porthole I saw stars among the outlines of the other Splinter ships queuing for the Solar Rail. It would soon grip us with an incomprehensible power and cast us through the void** into the mouth of our enemy.**

I watched the ships one-by-one bending and gone. Each crammed with zero-tech soldiers sucking stale air, white knuckling their percussion rifles. Each filled with a desperation that comes from extinction. Our ship would be the last to cross the gap. Our ship had special cargo.

It was essentially empty. Just ten men, like me, strapped in with the best zero-tech suits and weapons the empire could build... and "it". "It" stood in the aisle, a slender and eyeless metal form. A Tenno inside its Warframe. Vaguely human, vaguely feminine. Was this armor or some ornate carapace for the monster that lived inside? I strained against the harness as the ship yawed for final approach. I could see the Tenno standing there freely. Solemn and gold-gleaming, oblivious to the inertial force.

I had been, until then, a Tenno denier. They were ghosts, propaganda, twisted casualties of the void era. Not possibly real. Yet here it was in the flesh. The Empire, in their desperation, was going to turn the demons loose and hope for the best. Who did we fear more, the enemy or this monster? We had our safeties off, could we trust it? Then it didn't matter anymore. The punch came - and our windows became blinding. When we could see again our ship was somewhere else, shattered and dead in an instant.

My lungs were flattened, eyes full of death. Ship debris glittered like a night snow. The alien blue star was dark and blinding beyond us. The countless articulating worm-ships of our enemy, ringed in glowing discs, undulating and heat-bursting the surviving soldiers like me. This is where I died. I was in R-disc, sweeping over my right and setting my blood on fire. My vision flattened, the hearing muffled and buzzed. I could feel the side of my face going slack and wet.

I was in a dying dream. I saw a bright spot blurring and weaving toward me. I felt a tug toward it from the metal clasps on my suit. It reached me, rising up - a gleaming beast, a plume of golden wings rising and unfolding behind it. An angel. It snatched me from my death. I could feel my lungs fill as it wrapped me in its wings. Its Void Shield shimmered blue, strained under the enemy beams. I felt a suddenly tug of acceleration. I closed my eyes and held on it like a child.

I awoke on the floor, the sting of crisping flesh on my face and side. It was standing over me, the wings gone. I heard the cracking of weapons echoing down the corridor. Maybe the mission would be saved, but I was dying and so I waved my hand to send it away. I felt a pistol thrust in my hand as I was heaved to my feet. The angel had saved me, pulled me from hell, but it would not pity me. I was to die on my feet, by its side. I turned my good side toward the gunfire and raised the gun. It nodded, its outstretched metal hand surging and pulsing in ancient shapes as blue shimmered around me. It turned, drawing its blade and together we surged headlong into the hailstorm of death and fire that awaited us.

assuming that the blue star is refering to Tau (since the theatre was described as the "mouth of [the] enemy") it wouldnt seem accurate to ascribe the Sentient ability (through "oro") to avoid death to void exposure, since the home ground sentients wouldnt have exposed themselves to the void at home

[plush swan]

Okay, why does this bit make me think of Orowyrms:

My lungs were flattened, eyes full of death. Ship debris glittered like a night snow. The alien blue star was dark and blinding beyond us. The countless articulating worm-ships of our enemy, ringed in glowing discs, undulating and heat-bursting the surviving soldiers like me. This is where I died. I was in R-disc, sweeping over my right and setting my blood on fire. My vision flattened, the hearing muffled and buzzed. I could feel the side of my face going slack and wet.

[obtuse gyro]

oh the worm ships? nah I dont think those are orowyrms

[plush swan]

I mean, I can see why you'd say they aren't, but the description is really reminiscent to me...

[obtuse gyro]

yea I get that, Im looking up what images we have of sentient ships rn

[thick jolt]

mirage quest reinforces that worm ships referred to sentient ships

[frail whale]

Coda is also a musical term that (simplification) means "the final segment of a song"

Idk something something Backstreet Boils something something

[obtuse gyro]

consider what this looks like

[plush swan]

Are the dark ribs supposed to be the glowing discs?

[rain otter]

I mean they are glowing

Also they do have fighters we just haven't seen then since scarlet Spear.

[thick jolt]

poor forgotten kahl

[rain otter]

Oh yeah also there.

[obtuse gyro]

smh when PURE sentient RJ

[thick jolt]

gotta wait for pazuul's trip to wear off so he can do something

[obtuse gyro]

GrayArchon is currently streaming his first look through the Art of Warframe book

[plush swan]

Twist: Sentient Railjack nodes are actually about helping allied Sentients fight off Narmer

[obtuse gyro]

in it the book says that a thing about Warframe is that design concepts are not always thrown away, but are sometimes shelved

perhaps, the description here went into making the orowyrm

[plush swan]

That would make sense

[plush swan]

Unfortunately, we can't recruit Sentient crew members until they figure out the whole "Void exposure" thing

[obtuse gyro]

amalgam crew maybe?

since the amalgams were touted to be without "the weakness of neither"

[thick jolt]

its also aladv and he said he had the infestation under control back when he made the mutalyst

[plush swan]

The most impressive Amalgam is Drifter

[thick jolt]

nah wolf ftw

[steep delta]

There was a veso/veko/veno thing I found on a subreddit I'm in

Warframe sleeper agents confirmed

[wise solstice]

When I reach standing 4, how do I use heavy weapons?

[steep delta]

Standing 5

You have to beat profit taker

[agile gorge]

V s a u c e

[chilly pine]

to use archguns outside of archwing missions you need a gravimag attachment, you should get one free during the first run of the profit taker bounties as its needed to actually fight PT along with additional parts for them as bounty rewards

once thats done equip a gravimag attached archgun to the heavy weapon slot and the deployer item to your gear wheel

[amber terrace]

Something I find positively amusing is how there’s an unofficial inside joke among Warframe players that On-Lyne was a real phenomenon

[visual shoal]

This. I'd like to see this.

[agile gorge]

apart from Ballas, Nihil, Tuvul, Avantus and Karishh, do we know the other 2 Executors?

[agile gorge]

also it's ironic that not just one, but two executors were eaten by warframes

[balmy storm]

I know Tuvul was, who’s the other?

[agile gorge]

Karishh, he got eaten by Grendel

[balmy storm]

Nice

[agile gorge]

he's the one who got extra stomachs grafted onto his body just so he could be competitively obese

[steep delta]

Lmao

[tawdry socket]

False, we see them every 3 weeks in Break Narmer on the Murex

[steep delta]

what's the tagfer quote "IMO something something"

[nova harness]

"IMO solo's a no-go. Have at it, but I'm tellin' ya: Albrecht wasn't messin' around with his security. Bring friends."

[steep delta]

yeah

[wraith sigil]

Only for those who finished jade shadows quest:

||What name did u guys choose for stalker’s kid? Just curious.||
||1️⃣: Sirius||
||2️⃣: Orion||

[zenith jacinth]

I have no idea

[wraith sigil]

Also am i the only one who solos netracells? Wouldn’t be surprised if not lol

[sonic harness]

i have question. why warframe on android version can`t be release better than ios?

[wraith sigil]

What’s it like?

[gloomy rampart]

I'm probably gonna pick 1️⃣ when I get around to it

[wraith sigil]

I should’ve covered my entire message…

[gloomy rampart]

It's fine I probably forget about it since my brain is on fixing frames/gun builds atm

[nova harness]

It’s not officially out that’s why

[nocturne kiln]

I haven't been translating for the past few days. That means I get to tackle a bunch of mall screenshot I took once I get home

[wraith sigil]

u mean the language used in 1999?

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, I wanna learn it

It's somewhat easier than pure orokin or tenno

Vowels go over big consonants, making it read both top to bottom and left to right. It's interesting

My first translations are up here

[nocturne kiln]

It'll be nice to have a translator along when one of my friends inevitably says "I wonder what that says...."

[plush swan]

IIRC, we don't have 100% confirmation on Nihil

[agile gorge]

oh? I thought Nora implied it in her quote?

[plush swan]

You can also use Archguns on a Necramech in:

• Open worlds
• Conjunction Survival
• Albrecht's Laboratories

[agile gorge]

I think you can also deploy Necramecha in Railjack survival, right?

or in certain parts of Railjack missions, unless I'm wrong

[plush swan]

I count Railjack as Archwing

But yeah, you can use Archguns in Railjack

And Necramechs

Once you unlock the right Railjack Intrinsic, you can use Necramechs in any Railjack mission

[nova harness]

You shouldn’t Archwing is the smallest part of it

[balmy storm]

^

Archwing is a part of it, but a small part

And arguably the weakest part of it, it’s a disservice to railjack to label it as archwing

[nova harness]

Certain missions you can do without ever using one

[balmy storm]

Yup

[fiery kettle]

little duck implies the existence of the medium duck

[nova harness]

And medium duck implies the existence of Big Duck

[fiery kettle]

yes

operation rubber duck when

[balmy storm]

when I say so

[fiery kettle]

: C

[midnight radish]

There’s always a bigger duck

[covert tree]

And the implication of little duck implies tiny duck

[undone lodge]

And the implied implication of tiny duck implies a mini duck

[agile gorge]

which brings is to micro duck

[tawdry socket]

Are ducks even around in Warframe? It seems like it's been eons and no animals we know of in the modern day truly exist

Dogs are Kubrows, cats are Kavats, horses are Kaithes etc but they're all biologically distinct, and the Archons are based on animals that existed prior to the Orokin like the Snake, Ram and the two others i always forget

Whatever Amar and Boreal are

[flat shadow]

Wolf and owl, respectively.

[tawdry socket]

Thems the ones

[balmy storm]

Ducks are known about enough that Lil Duck makes her name that
That or the word for Duck transitioned into a name eventually

[plush swan]

Deimos Wildlife be like:

• Reproduces asexually
• In Heat

[nova harness]

Best I can offer is fish

[tawdry socket]

Oh right, vulpaphyla

Zombie fox

[balmy storm]

Not really a zombie

We also have infested lion

Condrocs and sawgaws are similar to modern birds iirc

[nova harness]

Do you think Deimos fish always floated?

[agile gorge]

don't forget the most fearsome beast in the system

the ferocious Martian desert pancake

[balmy storm]

Ah yes, the desert skate

Goes great with syrup and butter

[fiery kettle]

[thick jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786650808321048596/1231041960886669322/image.png?ex=66af76eb&is=66ae256b&hm=6a9bf6b956c095f6c8128a99707e68bd3b02e657b8f91c06ff469e82065ec580&

And then there's that

[nova harness]

Do you think frames are happy with Operators looking into their minds or whatever Transference does

[chilly pine]

i imagine it depends on the frame

[nova harness]

Jade definitely didn’t like it

[chilly pine]

maybe i missed something in the "jades promise" text but i dont think so. jade helped her operator calm their nerves as they went into battle iirc

[balmy storm]

No, It’s intrusive
But if the tenno helps them then I’m sure that helps

[nova harness]

Can a frame resist transference

Like initially

[prime lantern]

Umbra

[noble beacon]

What in the void is that

[tight pagoda]

Yeah for most frames they didn’t resist transference because they were berserk but then calmed by the Tenno’s presence. Umbra was too consumed by rage

[tight pagoda]

I think that’s a Mergoo, from plains of eidolon

[noble beacon]

Operators essentially parasitically fuse their minds to the frame temporarily if it's an umbra or prime

[thick jolt]

Mergoo a bird in the plains

[noble beacon]

As long as they have control over their transference bolt yes

[noble beacon]

A bird.... That's more a reptile that grafted on wings

[thick jolt]

@noble beacon

[warm anvil]

mergoo my beloved

[noble beacon]

Fair enough

[winter sparrow]

The grineer always end up killing the animal’s I try to capture

[plush swan]

[citation needed]

[noble beacon]

Then you shall delete the very existence of the genetically rotting clones named grineer

[river agate]

It needs to goo away from existence.

[river agate]

If only a Doma didn't just come into existence right on top of them. If only

[tight pagoda]

They’re smaller than the image makes them look, always makes me feel cool when I snipe them from midair

[river agate]

Oh so that's why I never see them

[tight pagoda]

Anyways I was in the middle of today’s NYT connections and I got the fear of god put in me

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, a coworker said "Hey Kiddo" to me about a month ago and I did a hard pause before responding

For further context, I'm in my thirties. Super odd when she said that

[warm bone]

that ain't a bird, that's a demon with bird wings

[plush swan]

Why is "you, but with creepy eyes" the scariest thing people can imagine knocking on their window?

You could have bears, or cops, or somebody pointing a gun at you...

[scarlet plank]

I just finished strange new and I'm scared what's gonna happen to ordis?

Is he gonna leave me?

[winter sparrow]

||I don’t remember him ever leaving no||

[plush swan]

No.

||You're going to leave him for a while, though||

[obtuse gyro]

Why is there a random qualifier for "umbra or prime"

And where did "parasitic" come from

[scarlet plank]

Damn

I can't do this

[obtuse gyro]

You can, ordis wont leave you

[tight pagoda]

Don’t worry, it’s not permanent

[amber terrace]

Am I goober for making my watch face cycle between the requiem Parazon mods with a sickly green hue because 1999

[obtuse gyro]

nah, my watch used to be star trek themed until the watch face broke, you're doing fine

[amber terrace]

I just need to find which green in the Apple Watch settings is closest to 1999 green

[zenith jacinth]

You did not pay attention

[wise solstice]

When On-Lyne's singer says
"It's on 11 it's 2000 degrees"
... 2011?

[real niche]

No, it's just a play on the term "turn it up to 11"

[wise solstice]

Fair

But still a bit suspicious

[real niche]

And the obviously Infested-themed lyrics aren't?

[flat magnet]

Too much reading in between the lines

[wise solstice]

They all are

[flat magnet]

“Now you’re invested!”

[wise solstice]

"In(v)ested"

[real niche]

Yeah, we already have the whole "Yeah they're Infested" "twist", we don't need to go deeper.

[flat magnet]

yeah I like that line a lot it’s so subtly unsubtle

[wise solstice]

We do though

Its the whole point of the song to us theory makers

"somethings wild in the air"
Obviously spores

[real niche]

"They've been hit with Infestation/Techrot" covers 90% of the lyrics here

[wise solstice]

There's also the "you can feel it in the floor" twist

Which maybe represents the flesh roots in the ground

Ngl I want to play as an infested being, itd be so interesting (not Nidus or any gen1/2 frame)

Being only half in control of what I do

[tight pagoda]

Some say it’s the Man in the Wall’s Rap-Tap-Tap that all the Deimos infested are afraid of

[wise solstice]

That may be true... But everyone is scared of him... At least those that know the story

But... As I said in general...
✨everyone is dumb✨
(Listening to that song rn)

[lone axle]

just replayed war within to hear the new voice acting and im unsure whether this change is intentional or not
after picking what to do with the kuva i get the line immediately, then wally says it with my face, and then "I won't" immediately after

[noble beacon]

Huh

[obtuse gyro]

while youre here, mind answering my question

[obtuse gyro]

^

[tawdry socket]

So I was wondering to myself why Zeke of all characters got such a high profile VA as Nick A. and I got to thinking, I remember seeing in an interview Rebb mentioning there's a really weird/disgusting romance option in 1999

The conclusion, Drifter kisses Zeke and halfway through the kiss Zeke transforms into the Technocyte Coda form we saw in the Railjack section

Rebb and Megan have done a lot of interviews so I'm struggling to find it

[fierce summit]

Zeke out here proving that you would still love him if he was a worm

[undone lodge]

inb4 she was actually talking about Quincy, being a Londoner

[drifting abyss]

Complete Jade Shadows
very next mission...
-# you cant run away from your crimes, tenno

[scarlet basalt]

One thing rebb mentioned that is weird is that :
"If you play your cards right, one of the six including arthur could be your new years kisses" Does that mean that it imply that there's x mission to be done that will complete the new year then you get a cinematic of it ?
Like the gameplay loop seems like each week you could do idk 7 or 14 mission (which isn't a limit of games but a requirement to get the cinematic) to get the animation of the new year kiss and could expand on the lore of the hex ?

must be wild that the lotus is :

THe operator will likely stay to deal with MITW's physically
The drifter go on dating people

[noble beacon]

Because umbra has his own mind and originals aka primes like rhino ember etc have lore where they acted on their own

[viscid quarry]

Ember prime does NOT have lore that said she acted on her own

[nova harness]

Not all Primes were the original

[noble beacon]

Yeah true

[noble beacon]

Wasn't she a commander of some sort with her head bursting in flames

[obtuse gyro]

No?

That is no where in the lore

[noble beacon]

Lmao

It literally is

I have read the ember prime wall of text multiple times

[thick jolt]

Clearly you havent

[noble beacon]

This is something called uncanny valley, it is human but not human enough

[noble beacon]

I'm too tired to argue about this

[thick jolt]

Nothing to argue here you are misremembering the entire ember prime codex

[noble beacon]

[nova harness]

Ember Prime codex was about the Zariman investigation mostly

Not really about her

[noble beacon]

Yeah true that

[obtuse gyro]

at no point in the ember prime codex was a warframe mentioned

[nova harness]

Why does Ember Prime Codex have nothing to do with Ember

[scarlet basalt]

She witnessed
Like the witness idk

[thick jolt]

Cause way before quests the only lore we had was events and codex entries

[thick jolt]

No

[scarlet basalt]

Bruh she didn't even witnessed that 😭

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, primes are not necessarily the originals, some warframes were built as primes from the start, others were earned their primes.

Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth.

Beyond that, the "originals" dont even have autonomy, all they really have is that the first ever iteration of that frame definitely used a real human.

Only gen 1 frames, and the exception of Umbra as a gen 2 frame have autonomy. We only know of 2 gen 1 frames, Dante and Kullervo, and specifically the ones we hear about and not the ones we pilot.

At no point was it then suggested that transference was a)temporary and b)parasitic. Key point is that even if umbra was able to reject the operator, it doesnt mean that transference is temporary

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl, who will prime dante/qorvex then ?

[nova harness]

Ballas

[scarlet basalt]

isn't he... Well i guess

[thick jolt]

Just because dante went rogue doesnt mean ballas didnt have his blueprints to then prime

[nova harness]

The Prime could’ve been the original

[scarlet basalt]

It would just be so strange to see qorvex/dante prime ngl
Like how revenant prime was done lol

[thick jolt]

It wouldnt be weird but anyway

[nova harness]

DE said all frames will get one

Well except Stalker

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, theres so many easier ways to come up with how Dante and Qorvex get a prime and none of them need eternalistic void mumbo jumbo like revenant

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah i think it will be smthg like that since they're mostly close to the void

[obtuse gyro]

Im saying its not going to be like that

because it isnt forced to be like that

[nova harness]

Revenant might be the only Void created frame

[obtuse gyro]

apparently someone on the writing team said the Unum made rev prime, but uh, it was in a casual convo in an airport with only a picture to prove that they were present

[nova harness]

Was probably a joke if anything

[thick jolt]

Good chemists and chefs dont just randomly throw stuff together

They make and keep track of recipees in case it works or needs alterations

You can easily assume the same for warframes because of the blueprints

Ballas doesnt need the leverian dante to make a dante prime, he just needs the blueprint and then to alter it and vice versa, he could have the dante prime blueprints and alter them to make the normal variant

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht got bored at some point and made a qorvex prime

[nova harness]

Albrecht realised Qorvex wasn’t to Orokin standards and made a gold one

[scarlet basalt]

Noctua prime

Demon core prime 😭

[fading current]

I have a maybe-dumb question:
Did ballas make more than one of the same warframe? Like did he have multiple people infused with the helmith strain and made multiple excaliburs. Like a “batch”
Or was there only ever just the one version of each of the frames?

[valid jolt]

A batch

[noble beacon]

Yes thats correct altho its temporary as your not gonna transference in and be stuck in it forever, it technically is parasitic good or not, both benefit from it

Its not the more common parasitic as ticks or larvae

[noble beacon]

More like, hmmm appearantly my ancestors loved slapping gold on robots, as an honor of respect ill try to ducttape found gold from the laboratories onto my frame which is encased in concrete, lets hope i dont get radiation poisoning

[noble beacon]

As stated in the trailer "the indifference mocked ballas and his primes so it delivered one of its own, a revenant" i cant remember it line for line but it was smt like this

Basically mitw was jealous of ballas creations so it copied him and made revenant

[noble beacon]

Would be funny if dante made himself prime because he found out gold makes him more conductive to electricity ie information

[viscid quarry]

….

[zenith jacinth]

...no

[viscid quarry]

Where did the rev prime trailer reference the indifference

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht is an orokin that lived during the times of the orokin empire. The orokin are not his ancestors and he has the same love for gold

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think it does anywhere, isn't it just ballas throwing a tantrum because rev prime dared to exist?

[thick jolt]

yep

[viscid quarry]

More like being baffled

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't he call him a "fatherless abberation"

Ballas tried to do a parvos-level roast but it doesn't work as well when the thing he's roasting can't cry

[noble beacon]

Ballas:
“What fatherless aberration is this?
Brings the wicked gift of an unknown mask the Naberus night?”
“Seething with the void mocking me and causality alike. And what strange cruelty named him, to know and defy his death? This shadow of I’ll omen. This grim harbinger. This..Revenant!

I can imagine ballas sending frames at revenant prime to capture him but he survives death 15x in a row

[humble hollow]

Does anyone know what Node I need to complete, it says Sedna is incompleted

I passed the other nodes on the rest of the planets minus this one

[rain otter]

if you talk to The Arbiters do they tell you?

[nova harness]

Go to Arbiters they will tell you Sedna seems to be complete

[rain otter]

yeah

we had the same idea lmao.

[nova harness]

It’s the big brain move

[humble hollow]

To the arbiters of hex I go

[rain otter]

nodders

[humble hollow]

@rain otter They don't seem to tell me anything its just offerings or were you guys referring to someone else?

[rain otter]

their are 2 different vendors

in abiters

one if the syncidate one and one is the abitrations one.

to the left right after you enter their place.

[rain otter]

yeah

those are the ones you need to do.

[humble hollow]

Sounds good

[zenith jacinth]

Selecting the arbitrations tab in the star chart also tells you where those nodes are iirc

[plush swan]

Those are Albrecht's Lab nodes, in the Sanctum Anatomica

[fierce summit]

If you haven't done Whispers in the Walls then those nodes will be hidden to you

[winter sparrow]

If you have a lich there I think you may need to defeat it to clear the planet … that’s the only thing I can think of keeping you from completing it

[carmine portal]

Nah, that's not needed. It's just that the lich icon overrides the "completed/completed(in sp)" icons

[winter sparrow]

Ah I see

[humble hollow]

🫡

[tight pagoda]

You may also have to do Duviri's 3 gamemodes as well

[supple dagger]

Just finished the new war. Took up my whole afternoon

[junior vine]

Opinions on it pls

[warm anvil]

what did u think of kahl, what was ur favorite part, what name did you choose for lotus

[supple dagger]

Well honestly, with how I will sometimes take breaks from quests with days in between before continuing the story, I feel like I was kinda getting lost on some things

Like I forgor who Ballas was

[warm anvil]

😭

[supple dagger]

Kahl is a national hero. For the queens

I chose Margulis for my Lotus

[warm anvil]

no... for my brothers

[supple dagger]

O7

[prime lantern]

Primes both arnt always the original and additional the rhino in the rhino prime codex and the rhino we know today arnt the same

[supple dagger]

Favorite part? Probably Kahl. Corpus i had to take a few attempts on Jackal. Teshin was annoying with the timed triggers. Railjack I haven't leveled up much so it was a slog

Drifter would've been cooler to find out but it was spoiled, otherwise I got severely agitated with the sneaking sections

[prime lantern]

I know I will die so I just watch with curious acceptance. The beast squats down, shovelling a heap of gore into its mouth. It is watching me with vague eyes

Note that current rhino does not have a mouth

[winter sparrow]

I remember my brother hating the railjack portion in his own play through of the new war but loving mine

[supple dagger]

If I had leveled it up I'm sure I would've enjoyed it more because I like the concept, but every time I tried to do missions it would bug out so I don't have many upgrades

[winter sparrow]

Yeah railjack lately has been extremely buggy

I tried to do a couple missions a few days ago

[prime lantern]

Even further umbras sentiences is likely a product of his transference bolt not inhibiting it

[supple dagger]

I chose Margulis because cute lady who isn't robotic nor covered cleavage. Plus when I was looking up which answer to choose, someone said Margulis because it was to give Ballas the finger and I respected the spite

[winter sparrow]

I chose the lotus cause I like to think of her as the balance between natah and margulis

[supple dagger]

I've seen arguments mostly for Natah and Lotus. The former was to give her a chance to start over as herself without pressure, Lotus is more of her identity

But im switching to my Drifter so I want the waifu

[winter sparrow]

I really like the drifter and duviri

[supple dagger]

I haven't played in a couple weeks because I can remember if there's much to gain in there besides the circuit

But I do like the combat

[winter sparrow]

I just like running around in duviri exploring my favorite part probably has to be when you enter the cave systems and hear sounds from the zariman leaking through

Sometimes the lady you get kullervo from has rivens for sale in her shop

I think rn she has an orokin reactor and an orokin catalyst

Or it may have changed already

[wispy jasper]

Still falls in the same open world trap of poor utilization of the cool map spaces designed as the other places. I only know it so well because my video watching busy activity is doing enigma puzzles

I feel like there's always the tension in warframe of having maps that would benefit from cool exploration gameplay, and having no suitable gameplay to compliment this.

It's like they gave up on stealth super early in the process but never the dream of it, basically

[plush swan]

I played it a long time ago, but:

• I did not like Kahl's gameplay during TNW. I liked playing Kahl better in Veilbreaker.
• My favorite part was hunting Archons as Drifter.
• I chose the Lotus because I liked the reasoning she gives for it. 🙂

[graceful shard]

I think I found the lore to the lotus eaters update 👀

[plush swan]

Gratz

[plush swan]

For reference, the reasoning she gives for each choice is basically:

• Natah: "We're going to punch the bad guys in the face!" 🌞
• Margulis: "That sucked, let's take care of each other! ❤️" 🌛
• Lotus: "Why not both?" ⚖️

[warm anvil]

natah is who she was made to be, margulis is who she aspired to be, lotus is who she is

[plush swan]

Natah: "The times ahead will need decisiveness. Power. I shall be Natah."
Lotus: "I see violence and suffering in our future. We will need compassion and strength in equal measure... I am the Lotus."
Margulis: "Narmer has divided the world, leaving a deep wound. We need healing. I am Margulis."
-- The New War

[plush swan]

Also, I'm pretty sure the reason all three choices are possible is because all three of those are her.

She's just choosing which one to act on when we go back to the Sisyphean labor of trying to make the Origin System a better place.

[warm anvil]

margulis physically isn't her btw

[plush swan]

There are three "voices" in her, and one of them goes by the name "Margulis"

[warm anvil]

ye ik

[tight pagoda]

Changed today, has an Orokin reactor (the Warframe one) and a Riven

[winter sparrow]

Ooooo Ty

[nocturne kiln]

Indeed, thats the same conclusion I came to here: #spoiler-chat message

[steep delta]

Just realized something about the end of TNW

[obtuse gyro]

Which is?

[timid ermine]

What ?

[solemn cloud]

Suspense, apparently.

[timid ermine]

Lol

[steep delta]

Ending of TNW can be read a certain way with the Lotus/Natah/Margulis deal

My friends were pinging me like crazy or else I would have typed out my answer sooner

[obtuse gyro]

you wanna elaborate?

[steep delta]

Maybe Maybe not

Look at the transcript on the wiki

Is all I will say

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, I've looked at it a whole bunch of times, this wont help me understand what you mean by "can be read a certain way"

like what way are you talking about

[steep delta]

I'm grabbing it now

[noble beacon]

Since void angles use music to attract others to become void angles im not surprised coda virus also uses music

[steep delta]

https://youtu.be/KMAUODRCadE?si=_5Yu0LNVY7o146mU

[obtuse gyro]

Ok and so what is this "certain way"

[steep delta]

Watch the first minute or few of the video

There's a quote

Something something voices something something

Honestly forget the full quote

[obtuse gyro]

Lotus: "I… I'm not sure. There are… voices. I am not… one."

Operator: "I know. But maybe you could choose one voice… to lead the others? It's your choice."

[steep delta]

That

Yes

Honestly... Good quote for what I believe it to imply

Not that everyone will accept that neaning

[obtuse gyro]

and what do you believe it implies?

[steep delta]

It doesn't matter... I don't even know where I was going with that

[zenith jacinth]

???

[steep delta]

Watch the video

That is the only hint I'm giving people who stumble upon this channel

[obtuse gyro]

Good maam, we cannot understand what youre trying to get at, if you dont tell us what youre trying to get at

we all see the scene where space mom chooses a voice to lead the others, even with that we dont know what you are getting out of it

[steep delta]

I suppose it's time then

ARISE!!!
⚖️: hi I'm Raelynn and the one you were being mean to is my host, Luna.

ARISE!!!
It's that simple lol

If you don't know after that then

...

[obtuse gyro]

then its on you

are you trying to make some allusion to DID?

[steep delta]

Yeah basically

[obtuse gyro]

Like if thats the case I can make it even simpler:

Space mom choosing a voice to lead is reminiscent of a DID system

[steep delta]

Yes thank you

[zenith jacinth]

[tight pagoda]

I hope Lotus Eaters accounts for the fact one might have the other skins

[ember mulch]

I kinda forgot about the lotus skins for lotus eaters
The full natah skin seems like it'll be inconvenient to have if we see lotus move around and do stuff

[fickle estuary]

It obviously will no way they will invalidate the New War choice in the first quest she appears in since then😭

[ember mulch]

Our black and white side story karma thing:

dont want them to invalidate the skins but the karma thing

*alignment

forgot

[supple dagger]

does alignment even do anything? I haven’t seen it affect story or gameplay ever

only just the endings I pick

[nova harness]

The alignment thing doesn't affect anything bar Lotus/Natah/Margulis name

[warm anvil]

what about even further than the skins and different voices, what about whole personalities

[nova harness]

I think it will just show it as whatever skin we pick but only for us

They made it work for Kahl and Cavia they should manage to do it

[ember mulch]

the lotus skins are much more drastic though

specifically natah

maybe just full natah

[tight pagoda]

Apparently there’s a couple of dialogue instances like what MiTW first says to you

[supple dagger]

huh

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it’s like “You owe me” or “we had a deal” or “did you forget”, all essentially the same thing but different depending on your alignment during War Within

[tight pagoda]

From the looks of things there’s three very different Lotus skins/animations required—

Natah
Eidolon Lotus
And then all the rest can probably have the same animation set

[fickle estuary]

Tbh besides the Lotus choice does anything else we did matter? The queen is implied to die/disappear anyway and drinking Kuva by itself doesn't do anything as far as I am aware

Since you need a second body for Kuva to do Kuva things

[nova harness]

Well Teshin calls his pet whatever you name it

[fickle estuary]

Oh true I forgot

[nova harness]

Basically only name choices really matter

[tight pagoda]

There’s a scene in the New War flashbacks where you have to tell this kid to keep calm, apparently if you’re Sun, you do it quite aggressively opposed to the other two

[flat shadow]

Not really. DE has said before that they don't want to lock players out of content, so most choices only change voice lines.

And then, only in minor ways.

[nova harness]

So if we see more of Stalkers kid it will probably be the same

[tight pagoda]

Yeah I regret choosing Sirius in hindsight

I only chose it because it was the Jade option and I assumed it was “good”

[nova harness]

Why

[tight pagoda]

Orion sounded cooler to me

[fickle estuary]

We just need to get sent into the void for another time skip so Stalker Jr. can grow up enough to do anything

[flat shadow]

I have a special fondness for the star named Sirius. So of course that's what I chose.

If I ever have a son, that name is going on The List.

[tight pagoda]

The Margulis/Lotus/Natah decision is probably the only decision that will ever matter and so far it hasn’t really done anything

[nova harness]

Rising future family drama confirmed?

[tight pagoda]

But that’s also just due to the lack of spotlight on Lotus

[flat shadow]

It changes her voice. But her appearance can be changed.

[flat shadow]

Very unlikely. First because my spouse loves the name, too. Second because I'm a little too old for children.

[tight pagoda]

I guess the 1999 stuff might matter too, particularly the romance thing

From what I’ve heard you’re probably going to have to lock yourself to one option

[fickle estuary]

Doubt it will effect the story much outside of content specifically set in 1999 and gameplay at all tbh

Though

Getting your partner as an on-call "spector" would be pretty nice

[flat shadow]

We might be able to play through other options when the quest is replayable.

[ember mulch]

Hope the gemini skins arent locked by romance or an actual cost

Id even be fine with it being a Rank 5 syndicate item

[nocturne kiln]

I just wish there was a way to change which name is used later on

Sometimes I don't want margulis. Sometimes I just want the lotus

[visual shoal]

Be too worried about having to revive them when they go down... cause you know otherwise... "you'll never hear the end of it..."
"There I was, down, bleeding out... grasping my last breathe... dying.... and what were you doing?" Playing dance off with the Jade Eximus units!" ::: -50 romance affinity ::::

[nocturne kiln]

Would be nice if the name was tied to which skin you use for her

[fickle estuary]

If your partner can't understand that riven slivers take priority over them are they even really your partner /s

[nocturne kiln]

It only matters if the mission is about to end. Otherwise you can grab the slivers afterwards

[solemn cloud]

Relationships are built on compromise, after all! 😂

"you understand, right honey? I need to be able to afford my weekly Hobo Rivens, or else what's even the point?"

[visual shoal]

Ascension drops about 8-10 rivens if you explore well..

[nocturne kiln]

Start equipping amalgum shotgun barrage

[solemn cloud]

On that note, I still need to go and grind some Thermia fractures so I can get Amalgam Organ Shatter. It's so tedious that I just always find something waaaay more fun to do instead.

It's such a tease cuz right now I'm sitting at 42/50.

[rain otter]

You can put like what is it 3? In at a time.

[solemn cloud]

It's not that. I just hate how tedious the event is that I can never bring myself to just do it - I would rather farm archwing affinity the hard way.

[nocturne kiln]

When is the nyx and Trinity rework?

[flat shadow]

I don't remember. Second update this year?

[nocturne kiln]

I picked up volt and learned to play him but Im holding off on learning trinity- oh, so we'll find out at the tokyo gameshow then

[flat shadow]

It's needed for 1999, so probably in that.

[nocturne kiln]

I thought they said the light reworks would be before that

[ember mulch]

Pretty sure the light reworks are the actual reworks

[balmy storm]

^

They’re both getting light reworks, not full reworks

[ember mulch]

Time for nyx's multiple cc abilities to be less cc and more kill

[nocturne kiln]

They really need to fix her psychic bolts

[flat shadow]

It could come earlier. Even with the first of the three updates happening before the dev stream, they have a lot to cover, so we may not get a lot of news before hand.

[nocturne kiln]

the ability targets multiple enemies but only lsts 5 seconds? What are you going to do with that?

[balmy storm]

Nyx isn’t that bad tbh

[nocturne kiln]

Oh ill agree, other than that one ability

[balmy storm]

I use her 2 more than her 3

Her 4 is not great unless you have the augment
I’m never playing her without the augment

[lunar thorn]

lots of meaningless news, in august when sevagoth prime?

[balmy storm]

Assimilate is too good
Please don’t nerf her

[nocturne kiln]

My guess is theyll give her some stealth given how her dosier says she has subterfuge as one of her specialties

Psychic invisibility might be cool

[balmy storm]

That’s what her 3 does

[nocturne kiln]

Add Wrathful advance for mobility

[balmy storm]

She tricks the enemies into attacking eachother, making her “invisible” to them while seeing their allies as enemies

[balmy storm]

If I had a spare kullervo I would

[nocturne kiln]

*less visible

[balmy storm]

I like the trade off of mobility for being an immortal god

[nocturne kiln]

now is the time to farm him up then. What else do we have to do?

[balmy storm]

Eh, I don’t really care to

I don’t play Duviri fast enough
I go in and I will be there for hours

I’ll get it eventually though and slap wrathful advance on my nyx build
But she’s good as is rn, again I like the trade off of low mobility

Plus the orthos prime helps, doubles as a mobility tool and as a great weapon
And recasting her 4 isn’t a huge issue for me, mildly annoying sure but it’s whatever
Yes wrathful advance would be a boon for the build but I like what I got, its fun

The low mobility also makes her feel more like a tank

[zenith jacinth]

That's better for kullervo farming, the materials take a while to get

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah but the only thing better than becoming the immortal pursuer enemy ala resident evil's nemesis (heh, nyx skin) and Mr. X is to be the Immortal pursuer enemy that teleports

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, but I gotta be in a mood for those long duviri runs

[balmy storm]

Again, it would absolutely be a boon
But its still fun as is and also muck farming up knife boy

[zenith jacinth]

I maxed out my decrees twice while farming him

Full power fleet-footed is silly

[balmy storm]

I maxed my decrees in like the first month or two when Duviri launched

Kullervo is great though
Best melee frame

[zenith jacinth]

More decrees have been added since then

[balmy storm]

Wait
My brain thought intrinsics were decrees
Nvm

I have not maxed decrees lol
I get too distracted

[zenith jacinth]

It's possible to jump the gaps between some islands at full fleet-footed speed

I did it by accident once

[balmy storm]

Lmaoo

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine being a regular duviri citizen and you just see hear(?) the local homeless hero sprint across and jump between islands at like mach 10

[nova harness]

They would probably think they are hearing things

[ember mulch]

from how they already act it would probably be like "honey, the king drifter is parkouring across our roof again"

[zenith jacinth]

And then suddenly some guy with fancy swords appears halfway through a wall

[nova harness]

Can Thrax be killed or would he reset

[ember mulch]

Sadly i do not think this would be in favour of lodun

[fickle estuary]

The quest implies the throne is the thing that has the power to reset since our drifter does it but in the trailer he does it without it soooo

[balmy storm]

We aren’t homeless
We have the biggest house in Duviri, you can see it from practically anywhere

[fickle estuary]

No idea

[nova harness]

Ours is in the sky and nobody questions it

[balmy storm]

The throne is likely more symbolic of control, whomever controls the throne controls Duviri but you don’t need to be on the throne at all times to control Duviri
As we see with the Drifter when their emotions affect the mood after Teshin’s temporary death

[balmy storm]

Yup

[fickle estuary]

Ohh that makes more sense

[ember mulch]

The king controls the resets, whether or not that position is defined by the throne or the person

[zenith jacinth]

The duvirians probably think we live in teshin's cave

[ember mulch]

what about before we encountered teshin though

[nova harness]

So I can kill Thrax in peace and take the throne to fill the position in theory

[ember mulch]

if anything we could have done that
but nuh uh we like being homeless

[balmy storm]

Yes, but the Drifter doesn’t want that because they just want out

If you were stuck in a death loop for at least a thousand years (its def more) to the point you become so apathetic you barely feel anything at all then have the oppurnity to rule over your hellish prison that holds so much pain would you control it?
No

[fickle estuary]

How to troll Thrax :

1. Get Parallax from the void side of the Zariman
2. Stuff it full of 3 star spector's
3. Ram into his stupid castle
4. Unleash the horde

[ember mulch]

also little digression, the dais domestik drone giving implications that duviri has roombas too is very silly

domestik drones are the ultimate technology; the technological equivalent of carcinisation

[nova harness]

The dropship doesn't hold that stuff

[fickle estuary]

You can see an open one in the Zariman hub spawn room

You could fit like 6 passengers albeit they wouldn't have seats

The ones in the Zariman don't have the Warframe special spinning door I think and only open from the side

[sour adder]

Fleetfooted and temporal acceleration are my literal favourite decrees to exist. I can cross undercroft islands in ms

By the way is there an infinite duviri mode or do you have to extract after orowyrm?

[wispy jasper]

duviri experience is infinite. you don't leave till you go through castle portal

[sour adder]

Thanks

[nocturne kiln]

The decrees are finite though

[woeful patio]

idk i have a serious feeling that lotus will be in serious danger again

you know.."lotus eaters"dont seems a cozy name for a mission...

[solemn cloud]

My bet is Wally will trap Lotus in some kind of loop, and we'll need to complete 1999 to save her.

[nova harness]

I already got Space PTSD not again

[wise solstice]

What if they said “On-Lyne is in Tau and we can’t be beat”

Imagine lmao

[solemn cloud]

That would actually be a phenomenal twist.

[wise solstice]

Fr

What if 1999 is Tau

🤯

Why does On-Lyne X Backstreet Boys sound so right

[solemn cloud]

1999 really is shaping up to be the Warframe of all time update for me. I grew up through the 90s, love the music in the update, have a crush on Arthur, get cold sweats whenever I hear the "KIM" and dial up noises - plus the story just looks like it's taking us to a wonderful new playground.

[wise solstice]

W

I was born on 1999 sooo

It’s just cool for me

[solemn cloud]

There are few puns in the song that refer to being in sync, and the boys are back - it's very much intentional that they remind us of those boybands.

[wise solstice]

Yes

And the in sync part is also straight up hivemind

But did you listen to the Backstreet Boys On-Lyne mashup

[solemn cloud]

Yes. The whole song is a series of double meaning puns and innuendo about the infestation.

[wise solstice]

Fr

[solemn cloud]

Yes. I've heard a couple mashups and remixes already.

But my thought is, why mess with a perfect homage/parody?

😂

[wise solstice]

lol

I have a theory

[scarlet basalt]

One thing I was thinking about the infestation and 1999
So we can see Arthur having a really big headache before seeing the mimic mouth birther
Could this imply a new mechanic against the infested ? Like currently infested doesn't have much interaction with the Warframe gameplay wise but this could actually make sense that there would be a war within the Warframe,one where we confront the hivemind trying to reclaim our Warframe as theirs ?

[solemn cloud]

According to Rebb in an interview that's when we as the Drifter appear in the story and take over, and meet the syndicate. That's not a copy of Excalibur - that's the player stand in Warframe - which just happens to be Excalibur in all the dev demos.

[scarlet basalt]

It wouldn't be far fetched to think that if infested actually grow stronger by eating each other... The Warframe would be a tasty treat for them
Deimos is unclear about if the infested really eat each other

[solemn cloud]

What I think is that we find a way to use the Helminth + strange void time spacey shenanigans and use transference into a Warframe built in the past, waiting for us.

[scarlet basalt]

This is the creepiest thing they could ever said but okay I guess
Maybe we have to think of it like infested tentacle that remove you from the vault

Must be weird but if drifter actually go there physically it means there's an entire passage in the void
Like a long tube of infested flesh that is linked maybe ?

The flesh train 😭😭😭

[solemn cloud]

So it's like, Arthur feels a surge of transference energy, Helminth 2.0 appears and makes a Warframe with information from the future, and we cross time into the new frame waiting for us - probably right as Arthur is about to kill it.

That's speculation - but using context that Rebb confirmed - namely that being the point when we stop playing as Arthur and the Drifter shows up.

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus eater really seemed to indicate that they will explain a new system for travelling to strand of khra.
It will be a very wild ride lol

Also did they talk about playing as drifter in 1999 or it's only hex member ?

[solemn cloud]

There's also the unannounced 2024 update after that and before 1999, that will be announced in Tokyo, soon.

[scarlet basalt]

I feel like the unannounced is either focused on infestation or the 3rd orb fight ngl

Or maybe opening doors for more grineer content

[solemn cloud]

In an interview Rebb said that we only play as Arthur during that intro mission shown in the demo. After that we play 1999 as Drifter and that's how we start the next quest, the romance system, syndicate farming, etc.

[scarlet basalt]

Ohh so no indication if in game we could play drifter in 1999

[solemn cloud]

I just said so.

[scarlet basalt]

Would be funny to see him finally with a tigris

[solemn cloud]

1999 Quest:
Mission 1: Arthur.
Mission 2-?: Drifter

Then after that for syndicate farming it seems like we can freely go back and forth like we do with Duviri.

[scarlet basalt]

Does that mean we will see the drifter riding a horse to 1999 😭😭😭😭

[solemn cloud]

No we will ride an Atomicycle

[scarlet basalt]

Oh...

[solemn cloud]

And the colours are customizable.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe one thing that will be done for drifter is a better movement system for him + all of his abilities from the new war repurposed to fit 1999 if they work on him in 1999
Like he could have more of a "jack of all trades" but with severe disadvantage

Atomicycles will be peak

[zenith jacinth]

We're most likely just gonna play as a warframe

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah I feel like the romance system is only for drifter

[zenith jacinth]

It is

[tight pagoda]

Omg they do say “Millenia/centuries/???? later, *in the origin system”, almost like it’s a different location

[prime lantern]

They explicitly say it's the origin system

They do that because de teases the player base about never revealing when stuff takes place

[tight pagoda]

I know it’s just a joke

Imagine if I was right though I’d basically be a prophet

[solemn cloud]

The joke they did was:
Centuries later (backspace)
Millennia later (backspace)
?????? Later

The implication is not just that they won't tell us when it takes place, but could even be tens of thousands to a hundred+ thousand years in the future - or more.

[wise solstice]

Exactly

What if Tau is so far from the Origin system that Tau is in in their 1900’s during present day origin system , and the Sentients only guard Space around the planets so that the people on Tau’s planets aren’t disturbed, but the sentients don’t realize big Al messed up that planet on Tau because he brought infestation with him on accident. And the deal he made with Wally was to infect planets in Tau he goes to. And what if Wally can see the future and knew he’d end up in Tau?
Or maybe Big Al brought spores with him and they infected whatever and ended up spreading

[obtuse gyro]

Lets clear up some misconceptions here:

1. Tau is a place in the physical real plane, its not some place in the void. If you had a road from origin to Tau, you could walk there

2. Tau isnt "so far from the Origin system". The game hints Tau to be Tau ceti, an actual star system, one of the closer ones to us IRL

[wise solstice]

Oh well… damn that ruins it

Gg

[wise solstice]

You’d end up exhausted and it’d take a few years

But flying there in an orbiter? No problem at all

[rain otter]

Untrue.

[wise solstice]

Damnit

I get it, I’m not smart

[rain otter]

Their is a solar rail to there.

One in tau and one in the origin system.

The origin system side is destroyed.

[wise solstice]

Fair

[rain otter]

It was destroyed by hunhow in the old war.

[wise solstice]

Ohhh… I remember that now

Isn’t it that weird relay that we always see?

The blown up one

[rain otter]

No

[wise solstice]

Oh different thing

Mb

But if the other solar rail is opened, THEN it’s no problem

I can imagine the solar rail being open for brief amounts of time to let in more sentients to Lua as we kill them

It’d be ironic if that’s how they did it

[prime lantern]

Tau centi is 11.9 light years away

Giving orokin incredibly generous .01c real space travel it'd take 1200 years to reach it

[wise solstice]

Pretty sure the orbiter or Railjack can get there pretty fast

Oh, then Fudge

[prime lantern]

Neither orbiter or rail jack move at nls speeds

[wise solstice]

But what about the Railjack’s uh

Yknow

The fast travel thing for the Railjack

[prime lantern]

The finger drive is not equipped to cover space like that

[wise solstice]

That’s true…

[prime lantern]

The zariman crashed in the void doing that

[wise solstice]

Well they were rushing it weren’t they?

[prime lantern]

The zariman was designed to take a dozen or so smaller jumps

[wise solstice]

Yeah, but didn’t the orokin rush building it? That would mean there are some things wrong

[prime lantern]

No

They rushed the jumps

[wise solstice]

Ohh

That’s what I was thinking about…

[prime lantern]

They changed the plan from a dozen smaller jumps to 1 large jump

[wise solstice]

Worst idea they could have

Dozen smaller jumps may have taken a bit longer but you can also get other things from taking breaks

Maybe discover something better than Tau

But instead they rush and destroy their only chance to Tau

What if whoever tried to rush it was working with Ballas so that they couldn’t make it to Tau and make the sentients do their thing

What if Ballas had a huge crazy plan all along

And it all worked out until it didn’t

[real niche]

We already know why they rushed it, the Zariman crew tried to self sabotage to not go, but the Orokin didn't care, so they had to rush it to have any hope of living

[wise solstice]

Ah

And they ended up becoming void creatures

After a while of whatever

[rain otter]

Yonta didn't rush it she just got her math wrong.

[wise solstice]

Oh?

[rain otter]

Yeah she says she could do it right if she got to try again.

[wise solstice]

That’s fair

[rain otter]

But for many reasons we can't do that.

[wise solstice]

And one reason I assume is the Solar Rail

Aswell as the army of sentients to send us to heaven/hell

[rain otter]

Solar rail?

[wise solstice]

The one in Tau

[rain otter]

Oh well the origin system side is down

So it doesn't work.

[wise solstice]

The one in Tau prevents us from entering at all

[rain otter]

Its down cus Hunhow Destroyed it.

[wise solstice]

And yeah

[rain otter]

No. That's not how that works.

[wise solstice]

Huh

[rain otter]

How do you think a solar rail works?

[wise solstice]

It’s like a fast travel/shield for whatever it’s toward

[rain otter]

What?

[wise solstice]

Like uh

Let’s say you wanna get from point a to point B

The Solar Rail is quicker transportation

But if it’s off it’s more like a shield

At least that’s what it looks like when you turn it on for the planets

[rain otter]

It's not like a shield. It just let's you use it for travel. Basically it let's ships that don't have a finger drive

Hyper space travel.

[wise solstice]

Yeah that

[rain otter]

It needs to also have a connecting solar rail.

[wise solstice]

But I thought when it’s off it keeps things from going near it at all

[wise solstice]

And that one is what you need to turn on to get into the other planet

[wise solstice]

(Or system)

[rain otter]

Sure. But yeah we only of 2 ships that have finger drives

Its why the RJ is so feared

Cuz it is the only ship active that has q finger drive.

The Zariman also has one but that's not a active ship.

[wise solstice]

Yep. And they can’t really fix it

At least not with the time they have

The immortal robots from the Sanctum would hate us if we sent them there to fix stuff

[wise solstice]

(This is a joke)

Also are the other void children dead? The ones in the scene where the lotus Blasts the sentient dude?

[rain otter]

We mainly need to keep it safe from the invading forces. I think the Zariman story and missions are some of the most hopeful cuz its rhe tenno rallying together to keep their home safe and it's working.

[wise solstice]

That’s true…

[wise solstice]

What about our adopted siblings in this scene, do we just never see them?

Or are they like

Dead

[graceful zodiac]

They're misc. Tenno

We might know them, we might not, doesn't matter

[prime lantern]

Tau centi is the closest inhabitantable system iirc

[wise solstice]

Fair

[prime lantern]

Additionally ballas wanted the sentients to reach tau

He conspired to create them

[near rune]

It's not the closest but it's one of the closest

Loid won't let me link the wikipedia page but it's the 21st closest star to us. But it's one of the more promising candidates for Earth-like planets.

[nocturne kiln]

Gonna go start a load of laundry and then im gonna do some Hollvania mall translations

[nocturne kiln]

First up

[nocturne kiln]

Not gonna lie... I just thought this was an advert for an electronic store before I started translating

Ack, I mispelled Holvania

[nocturne kiln]

I think it says "The Tower" instead of "Dull Tower" now that I look at it a bit more...

[fierce summit]

“Dh” should be read as a soft “th” sound in English, such as in “the” and “there”, as opposed to the hard “th” in words like “teeth” and “therapy”. The 1999 script generally keeps to the pattern of using “dh” for soft “th” and the “th” character only for the rarer hard “th”. It’s why I like to translate “dh” as “dth” since that’s actually what it sounds like.

As such, the first word in this poster is “dth-uh”, which is just the word “the”.

[nocturne kiln]

Aha! I caught it just in time

[fierce summit]

Yep you posted your correction as I was writing

[nocturne kiln]

I know. Thank you very much though. your explaination is exactly why i started posting these here

[fierce summit]

No problem! Oh, since you’ve figured out the “the”, keep it in mind for the other translations since it is a very common word and will appear in a lot of places

[vale sorrel]

Here's another one

[nocturne kiln]

I will. Its Dhe whole point im translating: To learn about how to do it right

Aw man. I was saving the grafiti like tests

[fierce summit]

Oh hey that’s my translation

[nocturne kiln]

aw well. Ill post them anyway cause Ill forget the translation by the time they come up

The step on me major one was definitely written by a tenno durring tennocon

[fierce summit]

As far as graffiti goes these are the nice and clean ones tbf . There are lots of ones that are absolute messes that you can use as a test

[nocturne kiln]

Yeeees. i cant wait

[vale sorrel]

Real

[reef dune]

Does anyone know how to unlock the door to this room? I've looked all over the internet I haven't found anything even mentioning this room

wsit

wait this is the elevator

I'm so stupid

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-24788965

[nocturne kiln]

Pid say press the call elevator button but you've already done that. Get in and press the button for the floor you want.

[reef dune]

Ik how it works I was just being stupid

I'm in a mission looking for voca

Lol you can ignore the post sorry about that

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/elevator-fantasy-island-press-push-the-button-button-gif-16222435

[scarlet basalt]

It would be cool if it was this week the devstream 😔😔
Also lotus eater was discussed in the interview ? Like if there's new arcane,mods or smthg like that ?

[solemn cloud]

The only thing they said about Lotus Eater was that it was a prologue quest - like the quest "Natah" or "Erra" - not full mission quests, but just something to set the scene and give some context to what comes next.

[scarlet basalt]

😔😔
I hope there's some change with it

[balmy storm]

I sure hope we dont lose her again

Wally
Please don’t eat space mom

[covert tree]

Wally seems like the kind of kid to sit in grass and eat flowers

[nova harness]

If he does ill conceptually embody his death by Lotus

[scarlet basalt]

If lotus eater is to what is about to come
Then it will be very strange lore
Like the zariman tablet on duviri

[scarlet basalt]

Man imagine if there's a gamemode including the corpus where you do your main mission but Golden hands (the one that tp to parvos) are exclusively spawning a ton of Specter to defeat you.
Like it's a side objectives but could help you

[supple dagger]

it will be very strange lore

my brother in Christ the entirety of Warframe is strange lore

[solemn cloud]

Warframe is like if Farscape had no restraint.

[scarlet basalt]

Is it really a good idea to lock infested lich system post tnw ?

[wild copper]

Probably, we already have a ton of new players that make kuva liches on accident while they're hella underleveled

[solemn cloud]

Honestly more stuff should really sit behind TNW, from how easy it is to be overwhelmed by more than 10 years of updates and systems - not to mention Liches share railjack as a prerequisite with TNW, anyway.

[nova harness]

Get loided

[nova harness]

Players after they learn 2% of Warframe lore

[scarlet basalt]

True but like, in the end Infested liches are really highly locked
TNW > Whispers in the walls > Lotus eater (small quest) > 1999

[nova harness]

Did they confirm you need them all

[scarlet basalt]

Idk but feels like it, since the Railjack part is after getting the coda worm it seems ?

[nova harness]

Oh yeah I remember the interview

They have also been making it easier to get to

Megan: That's a great question. It continues off of Whispers in the Walls and then Lotus Eaters Quest, so you will have to have completely caught up with the story. But lately, and really recently this year, we've been trying to streamline that process. If you are a new player and you see this 1999 demo, and you're like, I want to play that when it comes out.

We've really tried to make it so the game would tell you exactly the path to get there instead of, you know, yes, there's 20 different quests you can do, but there's only four required ones I need to do to get there.

We're trying to make those junction changes, star chart changes to really help those players get to where they want to be, because we understand that when we put out this awesome update demo and all this, you know, marketing people want to play it. We get it and we want to get them there.

We don't want people to be confused. That's a huge thing. We experimented with Duviri being at the beginning of the game and it didn't pan out for us, so we changed gears on that. We want to make sure that they understand the story and are caught up, but we're doing our best to get them there in the quickest way possible.

Rebecca: We need to do our Tenno training tool to get people through the Tenno tool tips. We do have a campaign in our game, and some people still don't know that. Our goal would be to get the campaign awareness to a point where people just continue playing it instead of being interrupted by a lack of information.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe : THe unnannounced 2024 update is likely a really big QoL in general (again yes) ?

[nova harness]

Jade Echoes

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus eater echo

[nova harness]

Jade eater echoes

[covert tree]

Lotus shadows

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus eater is the lotus shadow that was told by Eleanor

[tawdry socket]

Man can I just post an official interview

Our resident Construct needs some bolts screwed back in

[tight pagoda]

It's interesting they moved Duviri Paradox from being unlocked after Vor's Prize to being unlocked after the Uranus-Neptune junction (essentially, after Natah)

[tawdry socket]

Anyway whatever, just Google "Lauren Bergin PcGamesN Warframe Romance" and you'll see the interview I'm referring to

[nocturne kiln]

Needs to be moved to after the new war. It doesn't really make sense otherwise

[tawdry socket]

If nothing else, it gives some chance to actually meet Teshin right? And Natah is kinda the point where DE focused in on the story

[nocturne kiln]

If you don't see Balas stab you, the giant sword falling out of the heavens doesn't make sense

[ember mulch]

it works for nice foreshadowing (and subsequent hype) when drifter appears though

even though duviri is basically NW foreshadowing

[tight pagoda]

Honestly Duviri doesn't spoil much besides Teshin's death

[nocturne kiln]

By the way, what us with people shoving greatswords into our chest from behind? That's like the third time it's happened

[tawdry socket]

Wrong reply kek

[nocturne kiln]

Can we get some back armor for Arther please?

[tawdry socket]

“There’s a very big surprise in store with one of the kisses,” Ford continues, then frowns slightly. “It’s kind of disgusting, but in the best way. Get ready for a weird one.” Color me… vaguely concerned (read ‘vaguely’ as ‘very’).

[ember mulch]

nah what we have to worry about with arthur is him falling down again

primed surefooted arthur

[tight pagoda]

It sounds like the Gemini skins can be customized so that probably translates to the way they look in 1999 gameplay too

[nocturne kiln]

We're gonna be able to use delux skins with them!

100%, immediately, on site putting Arther in Hayden's old suit

[tight pagoda]

Gosh I hope we can mix-and-match so that we can have Arthur's unmasked head but with Hayden's body

[nocturne kiln]

You know what, Elenor and Amir are getting the same treatment!

[ember mulch]

"arthur get in the suit, we need you to darken those sectors"

[tight pagoda]

"Every Sector has its Dark"

[nocturne kiln]

No helmets with Gemini skins already confirmed

[covert tree]

It helps you know who the hell drifter is and stuff also it's a fun mode

[nocturne kiln]

Now... I'm gonna have a hard time choosing between Arthur's sword and the prototype glaive....

[tawdry socket]

Duviri before NW means you kinda have the main "surprise" that you're Drifter spoiled for you, however you get the benefit of experiencing the Drifter's story divorced from any confusing New War context

[zenith jacinth]

It's supposed to be a paradox

[ember mulch]

i mean his proto sword is also his exalted model too

[tight pagoda]

I think one thing I'd change is the Drifter and Operator customization being linked initially (like, if you do Duviri first, your Operator ends up looking like a younger version of the Drifter, and vice versa).

[zenith jacinth]

Keep it linked but make it as broken as it was when TNW released so you still can't tell that they're the same person

[tight pagoda]

Though I guess it's important for the New War's misdirect of Drifter, making you think that it's the Operator somehow surviving

[covert tree]

I hope Gemini skins have good customization bc I want to main amir

[zenith jacinth]

It's basically full frame customization except you have a human head

[covert tree]

Including body skins?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[ember mulch]

body skins would look weird though

imagine the sentient alt of volt on amir

[nocturne kiln]

They let you use your existing warframes as the base loadout, emote transformation you into the Gemini skin which will have all customization options except for helmets which are replaced with the protoframe's head

[covert tree]

They probably will only have body skins that are like the base frame body

[tight pagoda]

Recently discovered Eleanor is voiced by Amelia Tyler, the Narrator from Baldur's Gate 3, so its funny she's doing another role where she's a voice in your head

[nocturne kiln]

No forma needed to rock out with your volt out

[zenith jacinth]

Only recently? I immediately noticed

[nocturne kiln]

Deluxe skins confirmed to be usable with them by Dev Reb herself

[covert tree]

Oh my that'll be so weird

[zenith jacinth]

Why

[tight pagoda]

I'm not great with recognizing some VAs, but once it's pointed out to me I can't unhear them. Had no clue Fibonacci was Neil Newbon as well

[covert tree]

Thank God my volt won't be affected

[rain otter]

The astrion VA is Fib.

[ember mulch]

how good would heirloom mag on aoi look?

[rain otter]

oh you just mentioned it lmao.

[zenith jacinth]

Ok tbf fishonacho doesn't sound similar at all

[covert tree]

Have we heard more about romancing

[nocturne kiln]

Why not? If you don't like it, you don't have to use them

[covert tree]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

That was a response to tiv

[nocturne kiln]

It'd make her look good enough to have a spin off where she's sent to feudal japan

[ember mulch]

heirloom mag and sentient volt are definitely going to be the most drastic looks on the respective protoframes

[covert tree]

Certain special skins screw about with proportions

[nocturne kiln]

What about Zato excaliber?

[ember mulch]

ok count the chain smoker too

so chainsmoking arthur
semi-sentient amir
galaxy aoi

[nocturne kiln]

Put Arthur in a bathrobe, he's cold

[nocturne kiln]

Strigga Lettie

[covert tree]

Proto skins on the proto frame

[zenith jacinth]

Heavily armored eleanor

[nocturne kiln]

Oh I'm putting them all in the prototype skins

[ember mulch]

Protoskin Arthur is either hayden tenno or literal jetstream sam

[nocturne kiln]

Why choose?

[covert tree]

Would that be a proto skinned proto frame or a proto proto frame and if its a prime is it a proto skinned proto prime or a proto prime proto frame

[tight pagoda]

Are we getting a frame in an update before Cyte-09?

[zenith jacinth]

I'm gonna buy the proto skin just so I can go full sam

[nocturne kiln]

Arther "Jetstream" Tenno

[ember mulch]

warframe rising: revengance

[covert tree]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

What

[ember mulch]

proto-excalibur umbra prime prisma

Just remembered about the excal prisma skin

[nocturne kiln]

We're getting the lotus the way Reb has been using her as an optional skin all these years

[covert tree]

Probably not

I hope not

[tight pagoda]

She might be playable in Lotus Eaters but not more than walking around (for now)

[nocturne kiln]

Hey, the man said yes. I don't make the rules

[nova harness]

Rebb says she isn't Lotus just voices her but she has a different appearance each time we see her it must be a sign

[scarlet basalt]

What if Lotus's shadow, told by Eleanor will be a boss fight in lotus eater
So you could technically fight finally Lotus

[solemn cloud]

Doubtful. Prologue quests are almost always just walking simulators with lots of lore.

Like the one where we were invisible and spied on Ballas as he rebuilt the Paracesis.

[scarlet basalt]

It's joever I wanted to fight lotus

[nova harness]

Don't you dare fight Lotus I'll kick you into the sun

[zenith jacinth]

I want to fight the sun

[solemn cloud]

What did Space Mom ever do to you 😭

[zenith jacinth]

She is a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void.

[nova harness]

She even thinks a void goober isn't real even though he literally showed up right in front of her

[thick jolt]

Unlike nef anyo the true prophit of the void

[nova harness]

True profit more like

[zenith jacinth]

Only Vor knows the true power of the Void.

[nova harness]

He's even got a friend in Void

[zenith jacinth]

Does the mot corrupted vor speech fit into a discord bio

[thick jolt]

You can surely try

[zenith jacinth]

I think it might be a little too much text

[thick jolt]

dang it discord

[nocturne kiln]

We already fought the lotus though? She killed Ordis' drone

[zenith jacinth]

We ran away from the lotus

[supple dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270181525064777870/1270222190188429342/v0f044gc0000cp39g3fog65tbe179eh0.mov?ex=66b392d9&is=66b24159&hm=e6a310825082821eeca83add2c736e8e568f8d758d9bd4fa18fe9b36a8863977&

[scarlet basalt]

But a true fight against lotus, since doppelganger exist... 😔 What if Eleanor is really talking about a boss fight 🥺 Please DE a lotus boss fight where she is literally one of the hardest boss like worse than murmur

[solemn cloud]

Having to kill Lotus would be a total gut punch after everything... Not saying I want it, but imagine if that happened...

[scarlet basalt]

Not fighting the true lotus but her shadow, if it's her doppelganger, which i think is?

[solemn cloud]

Personally I think the reference to the triple faced goddess just means Lotus (Natah/Lotus/Margulis) and Lotus Eaters is going to set up something happening to space mom and/or Operator - and then Drifter will have to go save the day.

Rebb suggested she did voice lines for several characters, so either she meant a Wally doppelganger like we and Albrecht have - or she could just mean different performances for all three facets of her personality, like how it was for us at the end of TNW and we shifted back and forth between Operator and Drifter when we were talking to Lotus.

[scarlet basalt]

"Oh. OH. She's wonderful. Triple-Faced Goddess! But there's a shadow on her, isn't there?"

Yeahhh , i do hope that the shadow will be in lotus eater 👀

[solemn cloud]

I don't think it's literal. Ellie speaks in metaphor.

I think by shadow Ellie meant that Lotus had something she was hiding - guilt and deceit being that shadow.

After all Lotus blatantly lied to us about seeing Wally.

[visual shoal]

Like you find out that the Lotus Eaters are actually a doomsday or death cult that plan on reverting Lotus > Natah to some (according to them) true self where she's like evil sentient incarnate... with plans to destroy the tenno and orokin and all biological life...

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah i also thought of that, i really feels like it's about guilt, since the new quest will be more spiritual (confirmed by Rebb iirc ?) it will may go deeper on the perspective of Lotus
The fact that she said that she saw MITW in ropalolyst but lie to us at the end of TNW, this incoherence may be about her having "fear" ?