spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

They aren’t pilotable, they aren’t being piloted, not anymore than a brain pilots a body
Ofc the sentients can split themselves apart but every piece of a sentient is still part of them

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing in this disagrees with the image shimmer sent

[sour adder]

All universes with mechs have their own reasons and explanation behind their in-universe versions. Necramechs and warframes are the only technical mechs, as they are piloted. Sentients literally live up to their name 😅

[prisma hawk]

OK then i call them space skynet

happy xD ?

[balmy storm]

I mean
They kinda are

They’re true AI with robotic bodies

Bodies that adapt and change incredibly well

[prisma hawk]

Kinda too big nanomachines lol

or swarm bots

[zenith jacinth]

The sentients we fight are just fragments

[balmy storm]

^

[sour adder]

We have very small and extremely big versions of sentients. Would you say a vomvalyst is piloted?

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if we ever have to fight an actual full-size sentient (not descendant like erra or natah)

[balmy storm]

Closest thing to a “pilotable” sentient we’ve seen is Praghasa’s corpse
Which is more of a ship than anything else

[prisma hawk]

anyway what really got me curious is their real weird ish cool stuff , and next to the remains earth , and the space wrecks and the Valyst forms
They creep the heck outta me , yet still they catch me

[balmy storm]

The sentients are incredibly interesting design-wise
Their ship tileset is probably one of my favorite tilesets just because its so unique

[prisma hawk]

first time i encountered em it was "What in the everloving F are you"

[sour adder]

Do y’all see an area suitable for a pilot? Bear in mind these guys (battalysts) are similar to warframes in height although they float

[prisma hawk]

Oh deadly you are

[zenith jacinth]

I spent way too much time in that tileset for the ephemera from duck

[sour adder]

The unlight?

[zenith jacinth]

And I'll have to do it again

[prisma hawk]

its also deffo one of the most unique takes in this area

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[sour adder]

I really want it but it’s sentient railjack

[prisma hawk]

ive played A LOT of robot/mech games and none tackled the topic like Warframe did

still creepy , but cool creepy

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, tailback, my favorite mission type

[sour adder]

Lmao

[balmy storm]

It was worth it

[zenith jacinth]

Which I can't play anymore because it crashes my game

[balmy storm]

What D:

[sour adder]

You sound like smoke finger complaining about their mining limitations

[balmy storm]

I forgot about him omg

[zenith jacinth]

If I do more than one rj mission in a row it progressively slows down my entire steam deck until it becomes unresponsive

[balmy storm]

Oh, steamdeck
Dang that sucks ):

I should see if the switch can handle it

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri, my other favorite game mode, almost instantly crashes my game 90% of the time

[balmy storm]

):

[zenith jacinth]

For the other 10% it waits until I'm at the orowyrm fight

[zenith jacinth]

It should, I used to play on switch and did a lot of rj back then for credits

[balmy storm]

Dang

Is there a good credit farm in rj?

[zenith jacinth]

Now that I got used to pc loading times and graphics I can't go back anymore

[zenith jacinth]

High lvl corpus rj is at least 100k per mission iirc

[balmy storm]

oml nice

[zenith jacinth]

Slower than index but much more fun

And you get free endo from salvage, and a lot of helminth food too

[balmy storm]

👁️

[sour adder]

Wanna play sometime?

[balmy storm]

Any nodes you recommend?

[prisma hawk]

Anyway fellas , i really need sleep now xD

Imma hit the hay now , see ya soon

[balmy storm]

Anyone know if Incarnons work in the conclave?

[granite cobalt]

You still get plat with the accessories, I just think I want the fun of grinding for the parts

[zenith jacinth]

I usually do veil exterminate for highest lvl and fastest/easiest completion

[balmy storm]

I’ll keep that in mind
Thanks Scrap

[nocturne kiln]

You can grind for ember heirloom?

[granite cobalt]

I have that already

I have like 1.3 plat currently

[zenith jacinth]

Sevagoth prime

[nocturne kiln]

Oh, then only accessories. Only thing you can't get in game

[granite cobalt]

Yeah I plan on grinding for the sevagoth, epitaph and nautilus prime

[fiery kettle]

surely sev prime will be void storm exclusive

[craggy solstice]

That would imply they're here to stay.

Since I believe nyx and valk are void storm exclusive.

[fiery kettle]

ya

[rain otter]

As a Certified RJ head. The Void Storms for the Void and high level Coprus ones Give a lot of Endo and credits.

[granite cobalt]

The parts right?

[rain otter]

Over like 2k Endo average or more not even counting the actual drops just scrap. You can also just roll 1k endo

On the Void storm rewards.

[balmy storm]

Any other nodes you’d reccomend?

I have friends who are newer who need creds and endo so

If those can help 👀

[rain otter]

The grinner high level one. Let me see it's name.

[balmy storm]

Thank you Vinny

[granite cobalt]

I have like so much of the parts, where do I turn that in for endo

[rain otter]

R-9 cloud.

[balmy storm]

Nice, thanks a ton!

[brazen cloud]

i just ran a Veil Proxima mission for a friend, exterminate one, 131k credits at the end afterwards i ran 3 rounds of The Index set at high investment with the guy using that initial 131k to pay the upfront 50k cost, ended up with him getting about 1,3m in those 17 minutes.

[balmy storm]

w h a t

[rain otter]

The question mark.

You domt have to identify them to scrap them.

[balmy storm]

Credits really are easy lol

[rain otter]

All tier 3 parts are 220 endo each.

[brazen cloud]

he had an extra credit booster bought from market alongside my credits true master buff, whereas i had just the true master buff

[rain otter]

They are but it's a multi farm in RJ.

[granite cobalt]

I have a good bit stockpiled

[rain otter]

And the one beside it is the ones you have identified.

@granite cobalt

[granite cobalt]

Right

[rain otter]

Are you able to do it?

@balmy storm basically people do the RJ missions for credits and Endo (and the Helminth resources) cuz its a multi farm and you get a lot of relics for it as well.

[granite cobalt]

Not on my PC rn

[rain otter]

Oh okay.

[balmy storm]

Nice

[rain otter]

It's where I got literally all my endo.

[brazen cloud]

i honestly need to do more railjack lol, i got my ship maxed but barely use it

i can use the endo 😄 barely got any of my more expensive mods maxed out over the endo cost

[rain otter]

Cus at the time all the other Endo farms sucked. I do not want to play any arena game mode.

I dislike all the arenas and profit taker.

[brazen cloud]

i hate profit taker so tedious

Index is easy if you got some decent teammates and a good immortal frame like a max powerstrength Revenant

[plush swan]

Do we have a specific release date for "The Lotus Eaters"?

or just "sometimes in August"?

Pattern recognition tells me it's most likely to be a Tuesday, but...

[valid jolt]

Sometime in August

[zenith jacinth]

I miss my almost perfected rj

[amber terrace]

Respectfully, I’m still scorched out on Railjack after going from r6-8 to fully maxed out intrinsics in a single day

Also, I will be very angy if the August update takes away Lotus(again)

I did the approximation, the Lotus was gone for like 4 out of the 11 years Warframe has been a thing

[nocturne kiln]

Time to meet the Proto-lotus

[wispy jasper]

I think they probably took Lotus leaving again off the table when they gave her additional skins after New War

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, they gonna use the added attachment to make it even worse

[wispy jasper]

That said I do like to take the opportunity to gripe about what an awful narrative stagnation that whole period was

[plush swan]

That was... December 2017 to December 2021?

[wispy jasper]

It was a pretty terrible time for the game's content mill in general. I want to say I was still logging off and on occasionally for maybe the first year of it, but I had basically quit the game prior to railjack kicking off.

Eidolon hunts as the late game content grind alone was awful

[plush swan]

Eidolon Hunts themselves aren't that bad, but it would be nice if they were more of a once-a-week thing like Archons and EDA

[tawdry socket]

I imagine they're gonna say more at Gamescom about it and drop it as soon as the Gamescom devstream is over, and that's towards the end of August

[tawdry socket]

Protus

[zenith jacinth]

Prototus

[plush swan]

Tokyo Game Show is when they're announcing the name of the update after The Lotus Eaters

[zenith jacinth]

Prototus almost looks like potatoes

[tawdry socket]

TGS isn't until late September though right

[plush swan]

er, right, sorry, thought that's what you were talking about

[tawdry socket]

They announced in quick succession that they're doing both it's fine 😅

[wispy jasper]

They're more boring these days to me than at the start even since everything about them is so throughly "solved" and everyone knows how you're supposed to do them. But really it's just that there was nothing else to do at the time. Like sanctuary onslaught was kind of the other thing and I quit the game just after the suite of damage changes which created the last meta

In terms of the power balance of the game I still pine for a lot of the old ways, but there was just nothing to do back then.

[nocturne kiln]

When is the Tokyo game show?

Nevermind, just read up

[plush swan]

So, I think the notes on the 1999 Webring are interesting:

Latest Update:
On-lyne has a super secret show coming up at the new Hӧllvanian stadium, and yours truly got tickets! It’s gonna be OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!!

This On-lyne fansite is owned by Rebecca F..
https://www.warframe.com/1999/on-lyne
1999 Rebecca gets infested.

This Classified Protoframe Dossier is the intellectual property of Albrecht Entrati.
https://www.warframe.com/1999/protoframes

The Highly-Sensitive Documents used to create this site were stolen by Spark.
https://www.warframe.com/1999/atomicycle
There's someone called "Spark". Do we know anything about them?

[hazy gull]

@warm anvil I’ve only just started it and this is cool, playing as a grinner

[nocturne kiln]

Spark seems likely to be Amir's (Protovolt) online moniker

[plush swan]

Also, I'm amused by Albrecht using a "K-drive" (K://)

[tight pagoda]

Spark might be those chat logs from the pre-TennoCon teases

[warm anvil]

i replayed this mission a week after first playing it, just for this part

[warm anvil]

lol that's a fun detail

[plush swan]

Yeah, it seems K-drives come from both sides of the family. :V

[hazy gull]

Khal sneak gud

[last carbon]

Anyone know what time the stream starts at tomorrow?

[hazy gull]

What do I do for the corpus part I’m confused 😭

[warm anvil]

use your brain and your drones/moas

[warm anvil]

usually 3pm pst i think

[worthy trench]

One robot is a bomb and one is a shooter and one is a shield

Use the robot to hack or blow stuff up

Command it to rather, use the right buttons

The other two are just for defense

[warm anvil]

"oh boy, I love puzzles!"

[worthy trench]

Lmao

[hazy gull]

;-;

[worthy trench]

It kinda tells you the basics of it if you pay attention when it gives you the instructions of them too

I made the mistake of not paying attention first play thru too

But figured it out after about 10 min

[warm anvil]

what r u struggling with?

[worthy trench]

The only other thing they could be struggling with is the boss

[warm anvil]

or the hacking

ive seen people take a while to realize to let it do it's own thing and not shoot it 😭

[worthy trench]

Omg yeah🤣

[warm anvil]

oh boy I love puzzle- instantly dies

[worthy trench]

LOL

Sacrifices must be made

[hazy gull]

Ty

[worthy trench]

Ur welcome

If you get to the boss and struggle lmk

[hazy gull]

I will

[worthy trench]

Try and listen to the verbals first tho, it does tell you how to beat each part

Just have to listen really

Rather implies what to do in hints used in the form of jokes sometimes

Kinda amusing

[hazy gull]

I got killed 🫣

[plush swan]

🫂

[hazy gull]

The stalker is helping?

[hazy gull]

Nvm

Light bow is cool

[nocturne kiln]

I really should be using plot weapons more often. Haven't used paracesus in a while

[hazy gull]

I forgot to craft it

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gif-26569189

How

[hazy gull]

Not enough ducats

[nocturne kiln]

It's a mandatory weapon

No like you have to get it to continue

Not possible

[hazy gull]

Uh oh

[nocturne kiln]

Trust me, it comes in handy

[hazy gull]

When I’m finished with new war I’ll build it if I remember

[plush swan]

It's not mandatory anymore.

Well, technically you ||get a temporary version in TNW part 3||, but building it is optional

[nocturne kiln]

...I hesitate to ask but why?

[plush swan]

I think you only needed to build it for a thing in Operation: Scarlet Spear?

But since that's over

[nocturne kiln]

Bruh. Might as well say the xoris is optional

[plush swan]

Do you still get anything from smashing those red crystals on Murexes in Veil Proxima?

[hazy gull]

I’m lost

[nocturne kiln]

Don't you get the umm... what's the thing. Called. Things to make caliban

[plush swan]

No, you get them for clearing a Murex, but you don't need to smash the red crystal

[nocturne kiln]

...like what's the point then? It was such a neat part of the story, crushing the heart of the enemy ship

Just lower the ducats needed to make it, don't make it optional

[plush swan]

I don't wanna have to lug Ballas's oversized shaving razor around. T_T

[nocturne kiln]

He stole it from us, not that it's his

It's the sentient slayer!

It's about as close to a mythological weapon as we're gonna get!

[plush swan]

I'm... pretty sure the entire point of it was ||for Ballas to use it, after we bring it to him||

[nocturne kiln]

That was his idea perhaps but that doesn't make it his

[plush swan]

Also, IDK what you mean by this bit

[nocturne kiln]

The fabled god fallen low, forging unto you a weapon who's like never existed till now, made with the melted metal of prime parts. So that you might take up arms against the most insurmountable of odds. The weapon with inate power equal to the Umbral warframe: Parascesis, the Slayer of Sentients.

[plush swan]

Except the entire thing is just Ballas blowing smoke up your butt

[nocturne kiln]

As many a Greek tale featured

Didn't make it any less cool

Plugs, I'd rather it be my sword that involved the drifter than ballas's

[plush swan]

'cause Ballas isn't fallen low, he's just faking it to try to sell you (and the Lotus) a bill of goods

[nocturne kiln]

we had no way of knowing that when the prolonged came out

Man, why are you determined to try and make it less cool than it is? It was the first weapon we could rank to level 40

Certainly made it feel mythical...

...now it feels less like the begining of an origin system legend and more me being dumb. Thanks a lot radiant

[Flip] this, I'm not talking to you again

[plush swan]

At the time Paracesis was released, it was not clear that Ballas was actually running the show rather than just messing around and finding out, but by the time you finish the first third of The New War, it should be blatantly obvious.

And I'm not talking about this with the meaning of "you should have known before TNW!", just "yeah, in hindsight this is pretty obvious"

[tight pagoda]

I don’t even remember getting it as something to use during the quest. Honestly they should’ve kept it as a requirement to build for the quest but maybe change the amount of ducats needed to one that isn’t insane

[plush swan]

The evidence starts suggesting this in "The Maker" and Orphix Venom, but its not in your face like it is when you get to The New War

[ember mulch]

Paracesis grind is horrible

Not sibear grind horrible but i still don't have enough resources to spare

[zenith jacinth]

The most annoying part is the 5 eidolon shards tbh

[vale sorrel]

and the ducats

[zenith jacinth]

1k ducats is a lot, but not really difficult to farm

People are still buying primed chamber and that costs almost three times as much in ducats

[vale sorrel]

the most annoying part of the ducat farm is spending all that time opening relics

[prisma fox]

(Plains of Eidolon) can narmer caches be in caves?

help urgent

[brazen cloud]

iirc yes, not entirely sure though, has been a loooong time since i last played

[ember mulch]

They can be, though im pretty sure it doesnt show it is until you enter the cave

Is it worth it to use the affinity booster to max railjack intrinsics

No idea how im going to though

[zenith jacinth]

If you want to

Some of the things you get from intrinsics have an effect outside of rj too

[ember mulch]

The exponentially scaling intrinsics are horrible

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah the cost scaling is... not fun

[ember mulch]

I just want to get my arbiter crewmate to join me on missions but i need quadruple of what i've already used on crew intrinsics

[zenith jacinth]

I never went beyond lvl 8 on any except the crew one

Some were still on 6 before I abandoned my old account I think

[ember mulch]

All the guides im looking at for intrinsic farming are either years old or need me to max out crew intrinsics

[zenith jacinth]

It's based on affinity gain, so just do some endless mission or smth

[ember mulch]

hoping for a void storm survival

our 3 day affinity booster + the affinity bonus from void storm

[zenith jacinth]

Now I want to play rj again

[ember mulch]

1999: Make Railjack great again (again)

[zenith jacinth]

Make railjack functional on steam deck

[ember mulch]

lol is it not already?

[zenith jacinth]

It breaks and slows down the whole thing to unresponsiveness after chaining a few missions

[ember mulch]

i mean it is railjack i cant be that surprised

[zenith jacinth]

It's more stable on switch

[ember mulch]

can affirm that as a switch player

switch optimisation is just too good (loid looks like a mop but railjack at least works)

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah

Does loid still have pitch black voids where his eyes should be

[ember mulch]

no

but his hair looks awful

[zenith jacinth]

At least something got fixed then

[ember mulch]

quite literally mop hair

all the other hair is decent too
the hex look normal

the zariman crew look normal

loid is a mop

[brazen cloud]

i mean, my hair would be a mop too if i had a longgggg term sleep like he did

doubt there's any Elvive in the labs

[brazen cloud]

tbh now i kinda want a hair product ad with Loid

[ember mulch]

I forgot i get milestone weapons today

Azima, zenistar or sigma&octanis?

or do i just use them as mr fodder i dont think any of these i'll end up using

[zenith jacinth]

Out of those three, sigma for weapon or zenistar for funny beeg sword

[ember mulch]

I have no plat and i shall get none (no beeg sword )

sword and shield it is then (i will probably sell it later for the free slot and mr)

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think you can sell milestone weapons

[pliant saffron]

They can be sold for credits accidentally

The bp for them are sold at si aris once unlocked though

[ember mulch]

Testing out sigma & oct

Its ok, but i wouldnt use it even in duviri

Free weapon slot is a free weapon slot though

[valid galleon]

do you guys think the proto skana will be a standalone weapon or a skin

[nova harness]

Skin

[tawdry socket]

Sigma is pretty fun, shame that Argo & Vel does the "thrown shield" gimmick better and the finisher dmg just isn't that great on S&S

[zenith jacinth]

Sigma is still the best looking s&s

[fiery kettle]

tru

exalted sword and shield when

[tawdry socket]

we could have had one in Styanax for a spear and shield

not implying Styanax is bad in any way, far from it

[ember mulch]

Railjack intrinsic farming is so fun, 30+ minutes to get 100 intrinsics in a void storm survival which is barely enough to get a single upgrade that isn't even the last one

Just 2000 more to go and i can throw railjack away for everything except liches

[rain otter]

Okay we need the blooddebt mods for exalteds before we get another melee exaltedm

[rain otter]

This is not the fastest way to farm intrinsics. It's to do R-9 cloud.

[ember mulch]

I havent even unlocked that or any of the other nodes there its painful

[rain otter]

Wait why?

Did you only do the tier 1 missions or something?

Cuz If you are just doing the lowest tier survival void storm I can see why you hate it.

[ember mulch]

no i just havent done veil

[nova harness]

Why

[rain otter]

Yeah why still?

[ember mulch]

Ive done everything railjack up to pluto but not veil because i love railjack

[rain otter]

You literally will get more intrinsics.

[nova harness]

It gives you the best RJ parts

[rain otter]

Like doing Surival in RJ isn't the way to get intrinsics.

[ember mulch]

with multiple affinity boosters stacked its ok

Also wasnt r-9 cloud nerfed or was it a different node

RJ parts i dont care about its just intrinsics

[nova harness]

They removed Gian point

That’s the nerf they did

[ember mulch]

ah ok so r-9 cloud is my next destination then

[rain otter]

I mean tier 3 RJ parts are 220 Endo each.

But shRug.

[real niche]

RJ is the all-around farm, not really good at anything in particualr

[rain otter]

It for me is still the best Endo farm.

All the other ways suck so bad.

[real niche]

Pre-made Vodyanoi

[ember mulch]

but what if no endo farming frame

[real niche]

You don't have Nekros? You want that for all kinds of farming anyway

[ember mulch]

i can count 3 of them but

[hazy gull]

@warm anvil I just finished newwar, why she kinda bad tho

[ember mulch]

i am truly now embodying warframe grinding experience
railjack grind to optimise the profit taker grind to optimise the eidolon grind

to optimise the operator/drifter setup

to optimise void angel grind

to optimise zariman crew standing grind to optimise operator/drifter setup again

i think there was a different endgoal but i forgot

[amber terrace]

Congratulations, you won Warframe

[warm anvil]

thats what margulus looked like

[nova harness]

Bad?

[wispy jasper]

This is youth speak for having a great thirst

[valid jolt]

Lmaooo

That’s probably the number 1 reason why most people chose Marg

[hazy gull]

Looks edible

[hazy gull]

Now I see why Dallas wanted her

[nova harness]

I bought the skin because I thought her face needed fresh air

Wearing a helmet 24/7 is bad

[valid jolt]

I picked Lotus since the outfit looked cool lol

[nova harness]

I swap the outfit she uses every now and then

[ember mulch]

Just remembered about holo-lotus when space mom went missing

Will we ever get it as a skin? Probably not

[rain otter]

That isn't fun

[real niche]

Never said it was

[rain otter]

Yee

[nova harness]

Are Fragments and Children Sentients the same

[brazen cloud]

i kinda wish we could choose our mission detail giver, imagine instead of Lotus we could have Major Neci Rusalka telling us what to do

or any of the protoframes

my personal favorite skin atm for Lotus is Natah though. kinda feel like thats who she's supposed to be? like her true original nature accepted by the player imo

[valid jolt]

That’s fair

[steep delta]

Damn the Indifference lmao

Always appearing in places it doesn't belong

[valid jolt]

Ikr

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[steep delta]

Wall

What even was that thing...

Other than a big wall

Yes I played the quest I just don't know much lore on MITW/The Indifference

[nova harness]

Man in a wall

[steep delta]

Lol...

[nocturne kiln]

Warframe's Eldrich god (think chthulu)

The closest thing we have to the malevolent will of the void. That which would tear reality apart for mere understanding and amusement. The Great Indifference.

[steep delta]

Yeah... Cthulhu gives me nightmares but not as much as Nyarlathotep of course Nyarlathotep is now an anime girl so....

[nocturne kiln]

Well man in the wall got his anime version: You

Hey Kiddo

[steep delta]

Rap Tap Tap

[nova harness]

And his old man version

[brazen cloud]

Man in the wall, but if your Drifter or operator is a man, then your doppelganger is a Wall in a Man

[steep delta]

Wut

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-gif-3191941303944791684

[nocturne kiln]

EYPHLAHK ISHLAM JUSS. VEY. SHATTARAH.

[nocturne kiln]

KAH LAKKA OHSUN YARA, OULL. VAHK.

KU NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK?

[steep delta]

Is that from 1999 demo

[nova harness]

Whispers

[brazen cloud]

i think the Indifference kinda latches onto whatever it comes across, and if that thing is superior in a way it learns from it and copies it on a surface level, and if its superior than it it gets destroyed.

like an imperfect copy that feels uncanny valley'ish

realistic enough yet imperfect at a degree where we're naturally creeped out,

like how our doppelganger has the weird creepy eyes and grin

the Indifference doesnt get the more nuanced aspects of what it learns from

example, the Cavia. yes, they gained speech and human intelligence, yet at the same time it must be horrible to live an animal life and suddenly, BLAM, human intelligence. having to rethink your entire life up to that point

[nocturne kiln]

To think of it in human terms, in human experience is the first mistake. It does not view things as we do, on a fundamental level

[brazen cloud]

which is i think a more human nuance aspect that the indifference doesnt get

[brazen cloud]

to put it simply, it sees the blocks of which a building is made, but doesnt see the cement holding it together

the blocks of knowledge without the cement that is the nuance

🤔

i think something like dat

[rain otter]

Idk about whatever but it can latch on to people or groups of people ir seems. It's power is limited in someway cuz Rell held him down for over 1000 years.

Ballas opening a giant void made him more active though.

[nocturne kiln]

Explain sight to the blind, sound to the deaf. The real world to those in a coma. Such wonderful sensations that the Indifference struggles to comprehend and in its first taste, the desperate hunger lets it comprehend all you take for granted in your understanding, and more...

[brazen cloud]

i see it as before there was just a tiny nozzle of a hole for the Indifference to peek through, that Rell held locked up, but Ballas decided "YOLO" and decided to not only remove the door, but bulldoze the walls keeping the Indifference out of our world

[brazen cloud]

as for this that is

unknowingly of course, as his goal was to go to tau

but still, he did a oopsie

[nocturne kiln]

Existence is intoxicating to that which comes from terrible unreality

[flat shadow]

Lets not post quotes here with swearing, thank you.

[plush swan]

Oh, I guess it's because of the Tagfer quote XD

Whoopsie

Can't quote Tagfer, can't quote Varzia...

[nova harness]

magic stuff happens when you meet a Wall

[flat shadow]

You can quote them in game.

[brazen cloud]

he wants to taste, see, hear and smell, and he's making it our problem

[brazen cloud]

my face met a wall once, it was a rather rude wall as it broke my nose

clearly your wall was specced to be a mage, whereas mine was to be a barbarian

[nova harness]

Did Wally push you into it

[nocturne kiln]

Explain to a child of 2 why stepping on those gross ants is a problem. It will pour its oceanself through the garden hose as much as possible. Destroying the hose all together would be preferable if it was allowed to flow as free as it liked. Nevermind how the garden of reality would fair should the sea of void flood it...

It is a being in which to even begin to comprehend it will drive you to madness as much as albrecht has. The words you'd use would begin to sound like gibberish unless you had the same understanding

The Voidtongue

[tawdry socket]

Varzia doesn't swear though I thought?

[plush swan]

She does, when she talks about her headache in her intro

[visual shoal]

This would probably make for an interesting anecdotal story.... popcorn now or later 😛

[brazen cloud]

headbutt the wall to establish dominance

[visual shoal]

So.... 🎵 You fought the wall, and the wall... won.... 🎵

[brazen cloud]

🎵 so strong, your wall is, headbutt, break facenose 🎵

[visual shoal]

Hit wall if you must, break facenose you will....

Kidding aside... hope you've recovered

[brazen cloud]

🎵 wall am be angerous now, it throwing wall at me, hit nose and it do hurt me, wall strong, im not 🎵

do love me some altered Dethklok lyrics

[molten girder]

lol

[brazen cloud]

'd hundred percent play that riff on my 8 string guitar rn, but its midnight and i'd be waking up the whole block with how heavy the riff is

[brazen cloud]

jokes on that wall, house got demolished as there's something new gonna be built there, yet i am still here, 2-1 for me

[visual shoal]

There ya go.... you showed that wall who's BOSS!!!

[brazen cloud]

anyway back on topic.

anyone know what role the vessels will play?

or educated guess?

i'd like to think they're eventually gonna be gundam sized custom warframes

[nova harness]

Pretty sure that's a model he never got to finish

[brazen cloud]

then there are finished models, and there's a possibility that Loid and the Cavia could finish a model

doubt they're doing nothing at this time

[visual shoal]

This actually might take on a whole different direction... Something like you find out there's a greater evil and the entire time Albrecht was preparing for that showdown... just a thought

[brazen cloud]

i mean.... thats what he was working towards when finding Wally in hte first place no?

[visual shoal]

True... Wally could just be a nuisance that he is.... but, like there's something far worse, from Tau

[tight pagoda]

From the looks of things it’s a bit more like “we have transference at home”, something like the Animus from the Assassin’s Creed movie

[nova harness]

He was going to complete it but then he had to flee to 1999

[brazen cloud]

also, another point

there's two damage types that do not have a frame able to do those types of damage with abilities yet

[visual shoal]

Why was he making them exactly... i can't recall any details

[brazen cloud]

we dont have a Gas damage frame

and we dont have anything doing Tau damage

i'd imagine if they didnt use Tau damage with Caliban then they're saving it for a distant update where we actually get to go explore Tau

[visual shoal]

Lavos' doing a combo on gas?

But not what you meant, i know

[brazen cloud]

i mean Lavos can do literally anything but Void and Tau

[nova harness]

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.

Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.

[visual shoal]

Kaijus... from Tau

[valid jolt]

Would be crazy ngl

[nova harness]

I wanna see a Vessel vs a Giant Wall man in a proper fight we got robbed last time

[valid jolt]

I wonder what’ll happen to Albrechts plan after 1999

[brazen cloud]

i mean, the Vessels are big, but they arent Deimos Fass and Vome worm big

[valid jolt]

Cause he originally wanted the Operator to pilot them and fight Wally

But now Idk how that’s going to work lol

[graceful zodiac]

An Operator

[brazen cloud]

power rangers style, each of the protoframes combining their new warframe bodies to form the Omniframe!

[nova harness]

Yeah but Infested fear the Void

[brazen cloud]

and with the power of friendship and anime, they shall defeat their enemies

[valid jolt]

Megazord frame would go hard

Or Voltron frame

[brazen cloud]

Go Go Hexframe Rangers!

[graceful zodiac]

That almost certainly not gonna happen

[visual shoal]

So it's like there's something very very powerful, and ultimately evil bad, lurking in the void...

[graceful zodiac]

Not in any practical manner

[valid jolt]

Better yet, it would be awesome if Albrecht made us like a super charged Warframe that literally has cosmic abilities

Please DE make it happen

[nova harness]

Caller: "In case whatever – whoever – the Infested seem so very, very afraid of doesn't stop here."

[brazen cloud]

doesnt Nova already mess with antimatter?

[visual shoal]

LOL right now, we're like the Silver Surfer fighting Galactus... so Albrecht's just giving us a Hulkbuster (yes i mixed them up purposely)

[valid jolt]

LOL

[nova harness]

We was given a hulkbuster and turned it into an emotionbuster

[valid jolt]

Kindaa but I’m talking something like the Thor Buster. Literally kitted out with absurd magical powers and what not

The Thor Buster in the comics was insanely op lol

[brazen cloud]

personally am excited by two teased frames

[visual shoal]

The spider 1?

[brazen cloud]

ye that one too

[visual shoal]

And Cyte-09

[brazen cloud]

especially if it's passive is crawling along walls and it counting as a wall latch

would finally let me full send go for wall latch damage

[valid jolt]

Ehhh the Spider-Frame doesn’t look like it would fit in the game

[visual shoal]

Or using the legs as exalted melee

[valid jolt]

And idk if those rumors are actually true

[brazen cloud]

i doubt the spider'y legs are the case, all other frames to date have somewhat human bodyshapes

but i'd imagine spider limbs from back

[noble beacon]

We have frames that defy physics itself

I think spider is gonna be fine

[nova harness]

Khora

[valid jolt]

That fits more in game lol

[valid jolt]

Khora is different since Kavats exist already

But if it does actually get revealed then I wouldn’t mind it

[noble beacon]

Just say it's an weird infested side effect or ballas wanted to revive spider species

[brazen cloud]

meant moreso looks wise, every frame to date had human bodyshape, just arms and legs. spider lower body like an Arachne would be waaay out there

[noble beacon]

Archons are animals

[brazen cloud]

having the legs come out the frame's back would make more sense

[noble beacon]

We have an owl wolf and snake yet none exist ingame

[valid jolt]

Yea

Basically Arachnid from Transformers

[noble beacon]

Legs come out the spine that is

[visual shoal]

Spider Frame.... innate built in corrosive damage via web sling

[valid jolt]

Lmaoo

[noble beacon]

YES

[brazen cloud]

each one still has an overal human shape where their heads are different

[noble beacon]

My favorite

https://tenor.com/view/for-me-you-shouldnt-have-transformers-i-didnt-transformers-prime-i-didnt-transformers-for-me-you-shouldnt-have-transformers-prime-transformers-prime-gif-27553183

[valid jolt]

Tbff Steve has a track record of saying things from chat that turn out to be true lol. In the Tennocon Devshort, he mentioned someones comment about if Arthur would be datable sooo

[noble beacon]

They can straight up take the design from her

[valid jolt]

That tv show was peak Transformers

[nova harness]

Most themes of any Warframe goes to Khora Themes: Arachnid, Huntress & Companion

[pliant saffron]

You missed bdsm and crazy cat lady

[noble beacon]

Arachnid and sound wave were my favorite ngl

[valid jolt]

Understandable

Optimus Primes new design after almost dying is my favorite one lol. And second is probably Smokescreen. He was cool asf

[pliant saffron]

Tbf, sound wave is pretty much always cool

[valid jolt]

Right

[pliant saffron]

I thought gauss was gonna be a transformer before we got the full unveiling, was a bit bummed

Instead Grendel was and his transformation is a spicey meatball

Gotta say though, motorcycle version of arcee as a warframe would be a highly missed opportunity

[noble beacon]

Mag

[pliant saffron]

Bike form could hologram your operator

[noble beacon]

Yoooo

[pliant saffron]

Also this old ps gem

Glaive signature weapon hmmmm

[runic spire]

used to love that game

or show

[pliant saffron]

Was too young at the time to play it, but loved the characters

[plush swan]

Had a thought while doing Sanctuary Onslaught:

Simaris: "Do not weep for these creatures... they are immortal, they can and have faced a billion deaths. You, however, do not enjoy the protections of Synthesis. For you, failure has real-life consequences."
Simaris: "Ease your mind, Hunter. There's no conclusive evidence these data-immortals possess memory persistence. They should retain no recollection of what you've done to them."
Drifter: 😒 Duviri flashbacks

[pliant saffron]

Queue simaris event with corrupted data creatures going out into the system causing chaos

....

Technocyte.....

[plush swan]

It'd be cool if there was a Lich type that you "chose" by using the Synthesis Scanner on them

[noble beacon]

Stug

[pliant saffron]

Corrupted Cephalons through data transfers instead of just direct infestation

[plush swan]

There should be a Kuva Stug :V

[fading current]

Yo that new design is PEAK for Optimus.

[plush swan]

You know, for all those Stug fans out there

[noble beacon]

Jordas Golem

[plush swan]

I don't remember, how did Hunhow mess with Suda?

[pliant saffron]

Joradas had the infestation directly on him growing, I'm talking data side virus corruption

[noble beacon]

Ah

[plush swan]

'cause I vaguely recall it being some kind of connection that the Cephalons were worried could spread if they connected to each other

[pliant saffron]

Hunhow is a sentient, they are machine for a good chunk

Sentients are basically the borg from dr.who.... as far as I know, I don't watch the show

[visual shoal]

Or the Daleks from Star Trek 😛

Wait nah I take that back...

Also to correct you there, since you did mention you don't watch the show... Borg from Star Trek.... Daleks from Dr. Who

[pliant saffron]

Gotcha 👌

As you can tell..... I watch neither

[visual shoal]

Not a sci-fi fan? But you're missing out on some great shows....

Could also compare Sentients as the Replicators race from Stargate SG-1; Cylons from Battlestar Galactica (another example)

[pliant saffron]

I've seen some stuff here and there, it's just I tend to lean heavily into fantasy types of media

Warehouse 13 and eureka were good shows

Also the 97 American zilla movie really got its teath in me with liking monster related stuff

[visual shoal]

If you liked X-Files... and haven't see it...The Fringe

[pliant saffron]

Seen fringe I think.... haven't seen x files

Lol

[visual shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant saffron]

https://x.com/yu_malaya also that spider people are talking about

Malaya (@yu_malaya) on X

Corporate 3d art monkey | Journeyman Artifex | Professional Loser | INTP | Zone Plane 7 | https://t.co/3IxzKKbY7S

Twitter

[valid jolt]

Ikr

[pliant saffron]

https://x.com/yu_malaya/status/1785683019476668457

Malaya (@yu_malaya) on X

a lot less janky

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 2:49 PM

[valid jolt]

Only way that could work is if they gave the spider form some cool movement tech

[pliant saffron]

There is tech out there for multiple leg movement animations

Wall clinging though would be interesting

[dark dagger]

wall running would be the most obvious one but i think that would mess with a lot of camera angles.

hi btw

[pliant saffron]

o/

Think they could get around that by treating all surfaces like floor but the body is angled differently

[visual shoal]

What if the "leg segment" like when it spreads out, is just a stance of sorts? It's a fighting stance, and closes immediately when walking/running

[pliant saffron]

If you click the link it has a disconnect anim

I'd say, melee wise, it should be fine. Should just need to prioritize newer leg anims

[dark dagger]

well longer wall latch as a passive could also be a thing for her. theres a lot of mods working off that so she could be the platform for them

[pliant saffron]

Loki cries in his abyss

[dark dagger]

true

[wispy jasper]

Can’t hear you cry if you’re hushed

[dark dagger]

but seeing as she's based off of spiders i see a cc and toxin based frame. with movement based around wall latch/wall run

maybe a improved version of valkyr's hook could be thrown in there

[pliant saffron]

Depends on the spider she is being based off of

[dark dagger]

true

[pliant saffron]

Anything from tarantula and trap door to camel and brown recluse

[dark dagger]

but i think they're gonna go with a more general array of spider specie's/ideas to make her

[dark dagger]

ye

[visual shoal]

Jumping spiders or the huntsman spiders

[pliant saffron]

Mhm

[dark dagger]

i would like a bird eater spider but at this point she would be a dmg type

the way i see it she's at least gonna be a cc. cuz of webs and stuff but because of how many specie's of spiders there is i cant rly say anything more concrete.

[granite cobalt]

When is sevagoth prime out?

Like halfway through August?

[dark dagger]

i think so

[umbral granite]

Sometime between August and December

I don't remember any exact dates

[dark dagger]

they like to ship updates towards mid to end of month

[plush swan]

Webs, wall-climbing, venom, maybe a flying skill like Joro spiders...

Joro spiders are kinda cool.

• They're bright yellow
• They're the size of your hand
• They fly using silk parachutes
• They've been migrating up the East Coast of the USA for a while now

[dark dagger]

maybe. i mean. webs are a must and venom is a big 50/50 since they could be used as a support cuz of spider venom being used in medical tests

like irl

[plush swan]

Well, they've gotta at least be biting and injecting something, right?

Maybe it can be a dual-use skill like Jade's 1

[dark dagger]

true true

[plush swan]

Warframes already Wall Latch and Wall Run, so spiderframe is going to be able to do that regardless

[dark dagger]

yeah but having a longer duration on it could be the passive kinda like nezha and his longer slide

[plush swan]

Like Loki?

[dark dagger]

ye that too

[plush swan]

Loki gets 10x Wall Latch duration

maybe Spiderframe just naturally sticks to walls indefinitely

[dark dagger]

that would be a good one

[plush swan]

Will Spiderframe drop from the third Orb Mother?

[dark dagger]

dont know

a while back they said they would do something with 3rd orb but i never saw news about it again

[plush swan]

Hm

What if Unnamed 2024 update is a Fortuna update, with Spiderframe + Third Orb Mother + an easier way of grinding Vox Solaris standing + whatever mystery Little Duck is investigating

"Me old mate. 'Tween you and me, I ain't just here just to sell this stuff. There's... somethin' to this place. Somethin' other. I'm stickin' around 'til I crack it."

[dark dagger]

ohhh maybe.

[pliant saffron]

Would kinda fit the designs style

[dark dagger]

they've been pushing a lot of qol stuff so having a quest tied to another update like that could be true

[gilded valley]

I thought it's about deck 12

[pliant saffron]

Also powers wise, the frames being shown at the Tokyo game show...?

Maybe spider demon mythology?

Wouldn't mind some form of the old Tesla though :3

[dark dagger]

well on another note i've been wondering... did they skip qorvex with the prex cards?

like it doesn't have to do with anything but i like to get them and i noticed that he never got one

[pliant saffron]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Decorations/Orbiter_Decorations#Prex looks like it

[nova harness]

Not all frames get them

[dark dagger]

yeah but DE had the tendency to release each newer frame with a prex and at the time qorvex got skipped so i found it weird

[scarlet basalt]

Now that we have seen a lot more ennemies with mechanic like kuva spear , corpus shield, ropalolyst, fragmented,etc...
How do you guys feel about this ? Like ennemies with more mechanic and that we could say have their own difficulty.
Is it good? Bad? Ennemies that punish you for not playing the game
I mean I love them and the upcoming 1999 seems to actually make more ennemies with mechanic

[dark dagger]

Well i like it cuz it combat's bot spamming but after 24+ hours it gets stale all the same

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe plans for infestation is to make them difficult through unit that could disrupt the transference like how it is done with the end of 1999 a battle of mind against the hivemind would be wild

I love the angels but they're not difficult unless it's eda lmaooo

Angels design wise are the best ennemies currently iirc
I hope they will try more with it

[pliant saffron]

I'm generally fine with it if it's within reasonable accessibility, those owl sentients have invincibility until you destroy the jars on their waists. I can get those jars popped with the gun scythe easy peasy, but say if launcher type weapons didn't recognize them as damage targets I'd say it's bad design.

[dark dagger]

Having new mechanics does keep it fresh so i cant rly complain

[pliant saffron]

Honestly though, a mechanic that glomps enemies together to make upgraded or mini boss types would be cool

[scarlet basalt]

I'm amazed by the fact that this unit is supposed to be fought with grenade launcher or aoe weapon bcz it make sense to destroy a lot of things at the same time with bombs (like sabotage mission) but not on this mob line wtf 😭😭😭

[pliant saffron]

Yea the gun scythe is my go to melee for archons and it deals with them easy

[scarlet basalt]

Thank God they redeemed themselves by not currently focusing on sentient bcz damn the uproar of the community would be wild lmaooo
Like I fear that they wouldn't make good ennemy design with sentient unit but rather the most annoying one

[pliant saffron]

Honestly the sentient and infested are two sides of the same coin, both consume things around them to grow itself

More fused sentients with normal enemies could well be a path for new types

Like ballas

[obtuse gyro]

Eehhhh, that only applies to praghasa and only because she got severely damaged

[pliant saffron]

They act like how nano machines are depicted in the darker sense: eat, break down, build, repeat

[scarlet basalt]

Now that I think about it : de didn't see much infested units in 1999 ?
I mean we got the reskinned ancient (only attack tho) an, reskinned normal unit and the tiny kamikaze ?
I hope that they will put more units like the thrashe r as mini boss

Also the Warframe*

[pliant saffron]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Sentient

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe the mouth Warframe spawner will be a mini boss ? That's actually rather strange that they shown a lot more scaldra and not infestation, maybe they will add more infested ennemies ? I really hope so 🙏🙏

[pliant saffron]

Reskined phorid but has a tank on it

A city lephatis boss fight would be baller

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, iirc infestation in 1999 got a literal stadium with infested growth on it, maybe there will be interesting thing from it like a hard gamemode?

Really 1999 sounds like it's on the path of being the hardest Warframe gamemode and I kinda hope so

[pliant saffron]

I can see it as some kinda Kela de Tham boss fight situation

[obtuse gyro]

Dropping the whole fanmade wiki page is hardly evidence

Cite a specific piece

[scarlet basalt]

Actually wild that 1999 announced likely 3 boss fight
It's a very big step into the ennemie's troop and will feel fresh I feel

[pliant saffron]

They were made as Terraphormers, they were meant to eat everything and repurpose it

[obtuse gyro]

Pause. Youve thrown in additional things based on your own idea of what being a "terraformer" means

"Eating everything" is not a critical part of terraforming

Hell, it could also not be a part of terraforming

[smoky schooner]

Thought before that there should be a spider-themed frame and now it seems there will be. Neat.

[pliant saffron]

Where are they supposed to get resources if not from the system they were shuttled to? They were made to be self reliant and would not get any resources from the orokin

[obtuse gyro]

Oh? Was something announced recently

[obtuse gyro]

"Eating everything" is significantly different from "extracting resources from the locale"

From what youre saying even mining operations today is "eating everything"

[pliant saffron]

A mining operation doesn't have a refinery system to make more of itself

Or expand its operations directly from the resources it gets

[scarlet basalt]

Tbf a spider Warframe would be op for weapon buffing as there will be likely infinite wall latching.
And wall latching has one arcane that buff every damage to 300% iirc 😭😭😭
Also there's mod that buff a ton c.c and status change from wall latching

Wall latching Warframe would maybe destroy the game bcz well likely the Warframe would just be too comfy, maybe even creating wall to wall latch

[pliant saffron]

The orokin were creaters of biological machines and the sentient were just that, even given some small form of sentience to self regulate and govern over its hive

[obtuse gyro]

Sentients... arent biological

[scarlet basalt]

So we can understand why spider Warframe can't exist unless they buff the DMG of everything to the roof to compensate

[obtuse gyro]

Organic in look yes, but biological? No

[obtuse gyro]

Except thats still not "eating everything"

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder if Tau's sentient have a very big different design from the known one

[obtuse gyro]

The sentient ability to grow, build, replicate is independent from "eating everything" and as such normal resource extractions would already suffice

[pliant saffron]

The Sentients are described as being highly adaptable, being able to change and morph their bodies in order to withstand whatever damage they take. However, they are easily damaged by Void energy, which is presumed to render them sterile, and clears away whatever adaption they have made.

[graceful zodiac]

The only Sentient that even has any relation to consuming resources is Praghasa

[obtuse gyro]

Ok, nothing here makes them 1)biological and 2) makes them "eat everything"

[pliant saffron]

key being they can be sterilized

[graceful zodiac]

Sterilized isn't meant as exact language here

[obtuse gyro]

Like sentients dont even reproduce like normal organic beings

[graceful zodiac]

And also wasn't even an intended consequence

[obtuse gyro]

And im not even talking male female gamete shtick

Natah was literally "lifted from the manifold"

[plush swan]

They joked (positively) about a spider frame on the latest Dev Short. That's about it as far as evidence

[scarlet basalt]

Please DE make a spider frame and I make them able to benefit from the wall latch mod

[obtuse gyro]

Aw thats it?

[fiery kettle]

what did they mean by that

[obtuse gyro]

3D print a child I guess?

[fiery kettle]

[obtuse gyro]

Vague unproven thoughts would suggest that sentient sterility is linked to their exposure to the void as some matter of being unable to generate a new "self" to make a new sentient

[fiery kettle]

i remember i read in a synthesis story that sentients can grow from severed limbs

idk if that how lotus popped out

[scarlet basalt]

If sentient are sentient does that mean that the void somehow made void manifestation from natah ? I mean maybe the lotus eater will explore more about this

One thing that would be wild is that if somehow the lotus know about minn lmaoo

[obtuse gyro]

We've been told how natah came out, via "lifted from the manifold" not via split limbs

[obtuse gyro]

Guh?

[fiery kettle]

gg

corrupted lotus

[tawdry oyster]

They do use terms directly linked with parent/offspring relationships, in addition to having two parents. With Natah and Erra's father being Hunhow and the mother Praghasa.
Additionally "Sentient life" is referred to in Caliban's description.
Combine this with the birthing pools on the Murex, the biological nature of the ships and units, and them being referred to as organisms several times it does stand to reason that they are a similar nature to our Warframes themselves, being a sort of biological machines, which also makes sense with them being made to have a kill switch, described as the void being poisonous to them instead of a self destruct protocol

It also would make sense with the nature of the two Sentient Warframes being able to exist at all that Sentients are at least somewhat biological in nature, and we've seen them grafted onto other organics in the amalgams

[thick jolt]

you say that as if the infestation isnt known to be able to affect robotics

and grineer have cybernetic augmentation which also makes grafting robotic sentients into living beings also totally normal

[graceful zodiac]

Also that looking organic suggests that they are organic

[thick jolt]

bio to bio and synth to synth arent the only possible interfaces

[obtuse gyro]

Organic designs =/= biological

Its not a question of if the sentients are counted as "life" or what not

Its a question if they are actually bio-machines

Adam and eve from nier automata look biological, but are machine lifeforms, not bio-machines. They just have an extremely organic design

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally "biological nature" of the ships and units? Wouldnt that be a circular argument?

The sentients are biological because of their biological nature

[nocturne kiln]

They are purely mechanical but imitate lifeforms

Okay, ill ratio myself first. the wiki calls them an artificial race

[obtuse gyro]

Lets break this down:

Parent offspring relationships are not an inherently biological thing, especially in the realm of science-fiction

Life is also not inherently biological, again especially in the realm of sci-fi.

For an example for both I turn to Data from star trek, where a significant chunk of Data's character arc is about him being alive despite being a mechanical life form, coupled with found family in the crew of the Enterprise and real family in his maker and his brother Lore.

The birthing pools on the murex... dont really indicate any sense of "biological" especially since it appears that the sentients drones form out of the liquid. Like uh, good like extracting "biological" out of that

"Biological nature of ships and units" at this point you appear to be conflating their organic design with them being biological

The void being poison to them instead of a kill switch is less to do with them being biological and more to do with "which makes a better story? Funky place hurts them or they can just be terminated with a press of a button?"

Rev is infused with eidolon energy rev isnt like caliban which is an actual fusion of sentient and warframe parts. But even then as mentioned, grafting non-biological bits isnt a new thing to warframe at all

[obtuse gyro]

Before you ratio yourself check if thats a quote from the game or just a wiki summary

[nocturne kiln]

Wiki doesnt say the word mechanical at all. It was just my understanding that, unlike the corpus, this was a purely artificial faction. I mean, they form themselves out of goo. But it says they have biology so...

🤷‍♂️

[chilly pine]

didnt the orokin use bioengineered things for like everything?

[scarlet basalt]

Like can a sentient make a void manifestation like how yonta has skittergirl?

[near rune]

Sentients are said to have Oro but we don't know if that's the deciding factor.

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah feels like this will be answered in lotus eater ngl

When she met him it must have been a wild ride ngl
I understand now why rebb said this will be more spiritual lmaoo

[obtuse gyro]

If oro can be assumed to be a matter of consciousness, then it wouldnt be a deciding factor

[obtuse gyro]

Again, please, check if its supported by in-game quotes or if its just something someone just wrote down in the wiki

[nocturne kiln]

Im just gonna say in game they're refered to as self-replicating machines and leave it at that

[obtuse gyro]

Like just because the wiki decided to have a section titled "biology" doesnt mean that the sentients are actually biological in nature

[nocturne kiln]

just gonna say they originally came from machines. The Archemedian Perintol made the machine that would result in what we know as Sentients today

[obtuse gyro]

Hail the First Starfish

[nocturne kiln]

A new projection, that of Executor Tuvul ballooned into the space, “It looks harmless.”

“Harmless?” Ballas boomed in Tuvul’s direction. He turned to the center of the dome, “Show them.”

On command, the guards backed away from the cart and readied their weapons. Their leader took careful aim and fired a whisper round into the body of my creation. Two of the limbs tore off the frame revealing a glossy, gelatinous interior.

Silence gripped the dome as Tuvul shook his head. Then suddenly, the creature moved, convulsed, the hard surface started undulating. In a moment the wound closed and the thing was whole again. Beside it another machine had grown from its severed parts. Their surfaces had changed however - brighter, harder, resilient to whisper rounds now.

Ballas looked triumphant as voting lights began to appear on the judgement disc.

My green death was coming, so I roared at them, “Did our ancestors, burned by fire, reject its power? No. They conquered their fear and learned to control it. The Seven Principles are a joke.”

His projection swooped down to me, “The Orokin is the law and the law is the Orokin. We are unbending. Your appeal is denied.”

Tuvul interrupted, “Our laws are sacred but do not forget The Plan, Ballas.” His visage turned down to me, “Countless other ventures have failed The Plan, how will this machine fulfill its design?”

I tried to catch my breath and speak, “The crossing to the Tau system is perilous. Adaptation and replication are the only way a terraforming journey can be made. They will build an interstellar rail as they travel, they will adapt to the host planet and prepare it for our arrival. They will save you.”

Tuvul peered down at me, “And when it completes its task, what will prevent it from turning against us, as the Seven Principles say?”

“The flaw.”

Tuvul’s eyes narrowed, “The flaw?”

“The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin system will be-”

Ballas shouted, “Enough! Dereliction of the law threatens the entire empire. Which one of you will risk this?” Ballas was growing increasingly frustrated.

“The empire is already at risk,” cried the shrill voice of another Executor, “Or perhaps you haven’t noticed from your cozy position on Mars.” To this there was a round of applause and the judgement disk remained unchanged.

“Ballas, you lack consensus.” shouted Executor Tuvul.

His projection seemed to shrink smaller until he finally broke his silence, “Archimedian Perintol, against my better judgement,” his disgust was palpable, “Your appeal has been accepted. You are free to go.”```

An exerpt from the Detron Crewman Sythesis imprint held by Cephalon Symaris

So, both machine and creature

One might say... a Robot

That which is machine but imitates life

[near rune]

I think, depending on your definition of "life", Sentients could be said to be living (they have complex consciousness, and the lore/story certainly treats them as living characters), but there's still no indication one way or the other if they are biological.

[nocturne kiln]

I would say the term "lifelike" describes them well

[obtuse gyro]

Jean Luc Picard didnt fight in court for non-biological lifeforms to not be called life

[near rune]

Well yeah that's what I meant. Current common scientific definitions restrict life to biology but we can be more philosophical than that, especially in Warframe.

[near rune]

And so if we say that Sentients are indeed "alive" then I would say "life-like" is not actually an applicable term, since it implies the absense (and merely facsimile) of life.

[nocturne kiln]

They are sentient

not alive as we would define it

[near rune]

As Bau and I are saying, we are free to define "alive" in a way that is inclusive of the Sentients

[nocturne kiln]

They do not occur naturally. they reproduces asexually. I'd say they'd have the same problem being defined as alive as scientists have trouble defining a virus as alive...

Look what you made me do. I sound like one of the Orokin

[near rune]

Lots of animals and other forms of biological life reproduce asexually. That's not really part of the definition at all.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean "occuring naturally" shouldnt be a part of the definition either

[nocturne kiln]

They do not need sustinence

[chilly pine]

afaik neither do warframes, yet theyre biological in nature

[nocturne kiln]

In the exerpt I provided, which is in the game, Executor Tuvul refered to the Sentient as a Machine

[near rune]

The biological definition of life (this is a general consensus, not a law of science) requires 6 things:

1. Metabolism
2. Growth
3. Reproduction
4. Homeostasis
5. Response to stimuli
6. Composed of cells

#6 is controversial since it's kind of self-referencing. Viruses don't do #1, 2, 4, 5, or 6, and their 3 (reproduction) also doesn't follow the normal rules.

[nocturne kiln]

I believe this is the best I can point to definitive canon on the matter

[near rune]

Sentients do have #3 and 5, and quite likely #1, 2, and 4. I would say they have a better claim at "life" than viruses do.

[nocturne kiln]

It was also created by a Corpus, who are adapt in mechanical design

Tuvul interrupted, “Our laws are sacred but do not forget The Plan, Ballas.” His visage turned down to me, “Countless other ventures have failed The Plan, how will this machine fulfill its design?”

[obtuse gyro]

If we consider the birthing pools or "manifolds", we might argue that there are some smallest building blocks to make up a sentient

Which in essence replace a cell

[near rune]

Warframes have an internal power source (referenced in Jade Shadows) that sustains their biological functions, so in a sense they still metabolise.

[nocturne kiln]

I feel like im talking about cannon and you two are debating qualifications

[near rune]

It's true that in canon Sentients are called machines. That's not in dispute. What we're discussing is whether a machine can be alive. There are compelling points to be made.

[nocturne kiln]

In that manner... No. But they can be Sentient. Not being alive doesnt mean they cant be a Sovreign being

[near rune]

Yeah, I agree. And I personally think the "cell" thing shouldn't be a requirement for life, especially if we're discussing more exotic forms of existence like the Sentients.

[nocturne kiln]

They are/not alive in the same way Void angels are/not alive

[near rune]

Oh wikipedia is saying there's a 7th requirement for life: adaptation. I think we all know that the Sentients exhibit this in spades (as do viruses).

[nocturne kiln]

viruses can not exist without a host though.

[near rune]

Well now that's an interesting comparison. As we know, Void Angels derive ultimately from living beings.

[nocturne kiln]

or rather

[graceful zodiac]

Void Angels definitely aren't alive

[near rune]

They do. They're called virions and they can be quite stable in certain conditions.

[nocturne kiln]

they can not exhibit lifelike qualifications without a host

[obtuse gyro]

More of derived from dead beings derived from living beings

[nocturne kiln]

yes, I was correcting myself

[near rune]

Or derived from consciousnesses of dead beings

[nocturne kiln]

They're derived from the quantum philisophical/psychological residue of living/dead beings

[near rune]

Void Angels "feed" (it's the thing they're most known for), they move towards stimuli, they grow (the Void corruption seems to accrete or agglomerate and some of the Void Angels are quite large), they reproduce (in the same sense as viruses do, dependent on other organisms). There's also the argument to make that they're alive.

[nocturne kiln]

They're made of energy though. energy itself can not be alive

[near rune]

I mean not to be needlessly philosophical but like, what does it mean to be living in the context of Warframe? What is the usefulness of having these definitions? When we're discussing lore I think it makes much more sense to focus on a division like agent vs object, or something that can tell us something meaningful about the characters we're talking about. What does it matter if we say a Sentient is alive or not? They're still very important to the overall story and their general capabilities as a people are fairly well understood.

That sounded more rant-like than I meant

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, the consensus definition of life doesnt say "cant be energy"

[near rune]

Obviously I'm not trying to shut down this discussion, I guess I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the matter.

[steep delta]

Hiiiiiii #spoiler-chat

[near rune]

hiiiii

[chilly pine]

so then is wally alive?

[steep delta]

maybe

[obtuse gyro]

It all stemmed from a discussion on if sentients are biological, which somehow spilled into if sentients are "alive"

[near rune]

See this is kinda what I'm saying. What would we conclude if we say that Wally is alive or not?

[steep delta]

Everything that can be treated as being "alive" should be... Is my view honestly

[near rune]

Yeah well, my answer to that comparatively simple question is that we don't know one way or the other. I lean probably not but it would actually be cool if yes.

[steep delta]

Like for example look at the Exos from Destiny

And the Infested from Warframe

[near rune]

Yeah I that's how I tend to treat things in video games and other lore stuff. Like zombies are dead but for all intents and purposes can be treated as if they're alive.

[steep delta]

Two notable examples of non-human intelligence

Also... Hot take but a 1999 skin for the helminth charger would be cute

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, Im with you on the general point, but exos are still human

Like literally "human but metal"

[steep delta]

Yeah that's a lore thing correct?

They're kind of robots but also not robots?

Haven't dug into the lore in ages

[nocturne kiln]

It doesn't have a consciousness as one might think as human or animal or instinct. It is "mindless" reaction to stimuli

[nocturne kiln]

I will settle for armor if not a skin

[obtuse gyro]

Mechanical bodies, but for all intents and purposes they are human

[chilly pine]

if were going back to this topic with the sentients, i do want to point out hunhow natah and erra

[nocturne kiln]

The sentients would be more akin to the Vex

[obtuse gyro]

They cannot for a moment consider themselves as not human or else they will literally die

[nocturne kiln]

Not human. Sentient

[steep delta]

Natah--

[obtuse gyro]

Exos are human. This isnt something that is debateble on Destiny's end

[nocturne kiln]

The dying part is new to me. I thought they'd just lose themselves in thier assumed identity

[obtuse gyro]

No, if they in anyway consciously or subconsciously are convinced they arent human they will suffer from DER, which kills them

The first batch of exos died because of this

[nocturne kiln]

Der?

[obtuse gyro]

As such exos breathe even if they dont need oxygen

[nocturne kiln]

Oh, we're not talking sentients

Anyway

The sentients are a race but not a lifeform

Agreed?

[obtuse gyro]

Dissociative Exomind Rejection

[nocturne kiln]

Oh god...

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think me or gray would agree

[nocturne kiln]

You disagree with cannon classification then, and if you can't go by cannon for fictional beings, you may as well make up whatever rules you like

[obtuse gyro]

???

Just because the lore states that they are machines doesnt preclude that they are lifeforms???

[nocturne kiln]

Hey, thesaurus... what are Bauberries?

[obtuse gyro]

Like those are two different things

[nocturne kiln]

w>

Yeah, I'm calling you out

[obtuse gyro]

Like this isnt even "disagreeing with cannon" this is
"Whatever you are talking about, we arent"

[nocturne kiln]

If you're not talking about it, then why are you agreeing/disagreeing?

Genuine question. Cause if you and I are not talking about it right now, these are some bizarrely coincidental posts

[obtuse gyro]

Because what we were talking about is what constitutes as alive, which already moved long past the "thems machines" bit. Your consideration of "are they lifeforms" appear thus far to be tied to the idea that they are machines and thus cannot be lifeforms. However me and gray have already gone beyond that, because being a machine doesnt preclude being a lifeform

And so when you run on the base of "machine = not lifeform" we cant agree, because thats already been rejected in the prior discussion before we've already moved on

[near rune]

Yes, canon says Sentients are machines. Canon does not say Sentients aren't alive.

[obtuse gyro]

Canon also does drop the words "Sentient life" wrt caliban

[near rune]

Yeah I was a bit too quick and glib. I really would say canon points more towards Sentients being alive but it's not quick and clean. Caliban's description is a good point though.

[obtuse gyro]

Glib?

I am the globgoglabgulab

[near rune]

Mr Fishonacci?

[steep delta]

Feeshn't

[tight pagoda]

Was it confirmed that the Infested Adversaries are just the members of OnLyne? Because it’s weird that Sisters and Kuva Liches are randomly-generated and thus potentially infinite, but the Infested only have 5 potential threats to deal with?

[nova harness]

Sort of they literally are on a stage in the same order the band were in with the bands music plus the fan page shows human then infested if you press it again

[tight pagoda]

Oh, no, there’s no doubt they’re infested, I’m just saying they might not be the Liches themselves, because there’s less… longevity I guess? Like, once you kill all 5 of them, wouldn’t that be the end? Unless they have something like “each of them are their own hive mind and you just happened to kill one body out of thousands”

[near rune]

They were on screen and Reb said "Infested Liches confirmed"

I agree that we could use more information because it is confusing

[tight pagoda]

Something else is that the Kuva Liches and Sisters feel a lot more personal, and they have funny names too

My personal theory (that’s probably already debunked with the evidence we’ve got) is that the Infested Liches are actually fangirls and whatnot

[nova harness]

Infested Liches are going to be band members they could have it where new people try to join and get infected

[near rune]

Only 5 canon Infested Liches vs hundreds of Kuva Liches and Sisters of Parvos? weird

[nova harness]

There will probably be more people

[tight pagoda]

Maybe it’s so that each member is a level? Like, if you fail your Requiem repeatedly, the Sister/Lich levels up, but for the Coda, maybe you start off fighting Zeke, and then when you fail, you have to now deal with two members at the same time (but ultimately your target is Zeke)

[nocturne kiln]

Ill simply say that not being a lifeform does not mean you cant be an inteligent being

[near rune]

Oh that's very interesting. I like that. It matches with the 5 band members and the 5 levels a lich can have.

[obtuse gyro]

Sure, but thats another separate thing

[nocturne kiln]

Remember the part of the demo where the screens with thier pictures get shot? ...Thats how you choose who to fight. Just shoot who you want to face. Shoot all of them for the entire group

[prime lantern]

An exo with 4 arms was told to move the extra set of arms

D.C.] //Please move each arm. Individually.//

[P103] I… can't. I can't. I can't. What's— not mine. What's. Get them off! Off! (screaming)

[C.B.] It would appear they're on the verge of a psychotic break.

(metal tearing) (screaming)

[nocturne kiln]

"An exo with 4 arms was told to move the extra set of arms"

https://tenor.com/view/general-kenobi-general-grievous-revenge-of-the-sith-star-wars-gif-26397323

[vale sorrel]

give the exo 4 toy lightsabers and tell him he's general grevious

[ember mulch]

Is there anything that affects how enemies are split in half

This isnt for nekros desecration efficiency or anything i just want to split things vertically

[zenith jacinth]

Globglogabgalab*

[tawdry socket]

I show up and we're talking Destiny lore

[tight pagoda]

Slash damage is what causes them to be split in half, not sure if there’s a way to decide how the parts are divided

[ember mulch]

i think i've only ever seen them be cut horizontally

would really like to get that satisfying vertical split on a poor grineer though

[thick jolt]

I do remember vertical splits at one point but nowadays there are so many effects i cant really tell

DE could have removed vertical splits for all i know and i would never notice

[scarlet basalt]

I really hope that Lotus eater would actually confirm if Sentient can actually make somehow void manifestation
I mean, imagine if Praghasa somehow made a void manifestation lmao (well currently only lotus is to be known)

[nova harness]

They can’t create a void manifestation though they are literally allergic to the Void

[cloud zodiac]

Tehnical suports link didnt work i cant creath Ticket to ask a question what i can do then ??

[craggy solstice]

If you cannot submit a ticket due to login issues then you can create a second account to submit a ticket on your first account's behalf.

Also I deleted your screenshot. Rule 2 please.

[cloud zodiac]

Sure but there am i can creath ticket

on web site Only Info but not have Button to creath Question

[craggy solstice]

https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ?

[cloud zodiac]

you kidin me right?

this link Man only Info about offers Bugs

[craggy solstice]

False?

[cloud zodiac]

no there button to Creath question

[craggy solstice]

There is a button for "My Account".

When submitting a ticket.

[cloud zodiac]

.......................

[craggy solstice]

https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=50894 What happens when you go here?

[cloud zodiac]

Nothing.............just like a last one link

look

and i am remove it

[craggy solstice]

You're not signed in.

[cloud zodiac]

i was

oh wait lol waht agan drop

[craggy solstice]

It does not say you're signed in, unfortunately.

[cloud zodiac]

ye i see

this web site is slowly us hell

i cant back Login.......wait pls

i am From russia maybe this is problem ??

Nah man web site dont give me Login

[cloud zodiac]

look i can join on this web site this is Warframe web

but i cant Login on WebSite Support.............wtf??

just not opened SingIn............. on web site

[craggy solstice]

If you're on a VPN you may need to turn it off, I'm not sure why the support site isn't keeping you logged in when it absolutely should.

[scarlet basalt]

Is it confirmed tho ?

[nocturne kiln]

I thought the void just sterilized sentients and took away thier adaptation. Shouldn't they still be able to be in it?

[nova harness]

Stay in it too long they will die

[scarlet basalt]

Somehow lotus survived lmao

Maybe she is just better than every sentient at this rate

[nocturne kiln]

When exactly did she manifest? It's been a while

[flat magnet]

In terms of known feats she is the strongest

[nova harness]

She didn’t manifest any Void powers or anything like that

[nocturne kiln]

Better handle on her emotions

[scarlet basalt]

Idk, i kinda hope that Lotus eater confirm everything about how sentient interact with void
It's wild also that the cover art is putting her in the literal domain of MITW
Like girl
It's the void 😭 ????

[flat magnet]

She hid the moon in the void as far as we’re aware she’s one of the strongest characters in the game

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe this is where she met him ? Bcz ropalolyst fight talk about her meeting him

[nova harness]

In a pod

[nocturne kiln]

It's gonna be what splits the drifter and operator, allowing them to act independently if they so choose

[flat magnet]

Ik she was in her safe space but she still hid a whole moon in the void

[nocturne kiln]

That was with orokin technology, not something she did all by herself

[nova harness]

She pressed a button all by herself

[scarlet basalt]

she put the moon in the square hole

[nova harness]

She is canonically weakened by contact with the Void

Living on in the Void might hurt a bit but isn’t too bad

Thrown in basically killed her

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe
Lotus eater being focused on Drifter/tenno/lotus means that it will actually explain how Drifter got his hand back (likely void healing as said by Teshin) and zariman>Ordis>The drifter base on earth

wild that his hand or literal arm got literally destroyed bcz of lotus 😭

[covert tree]

It's probably what the hell lotus did during and after whispers in the walls

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, the cover art is wild with the implication ngl

[covert tree]

Lotus can be a really bad space mom sometimes when she's there for us she's THERE but still she can neglect us at times T_T

[scarlet basalt]

One question that lotus eater will explain is :
Did she really see nothing at the end of TNW ? Didnt she already met him confirmed by ropalolyst fight ?
Like i imagine that sentient have very much different vision than us so maybe it's a literal blank of nothingness she saw ?

[covert tree]

Oh yeah mtw might be invisible to lotus making us look more schizophrenic

[scarlet basalt]

Ah yes, lotus saw a child that look schizophrenic and she said : "Oh yeah they're cute"

[covert tree]

Because we are quirky 🤪

[nocturne kiln]

She saw someone about to be used by the orokin and thrown away afterwards. She empathize. After all, what use is there for a superweapon after the threats are gone? You dismantle them...

[weary vault]

If only that were true we wouldn’t have nuclear warheads everywhere 😭

[fiery turret]

I need me a girl like Margulis or lotus

I'm lonely and it shows

[rich crater]

I didn't know you had to equip the lens to get focus for weeks after I unlocked the operator.

[visual shoal]

That's a big WELP

Slap on those lenses into everything... weapons, warframes...

[rich crater]

Yeah I'm going to research some more about them. I didn't even know you could put them on weapons lol

[plush swan]

Getting lenses is a bit of a pain until you get to Angels and Whispers.

Then you've got Greater Lenses coming out your ears.

[visual shoal]

Yup... true... Cetus bounties also drop lenses iirc.

But the great thing is, just being able to start with what you have.... and then you can replace/upgrade that with another on your most used frame/weapon etc.

[covert tree]

And you can buy them if your minted

[visual shoal]

By midgame, you'll be earning them from bounties by the handful....

[covert tree]

I know

I need more

Maduri

So close to completion

[visual shoal]

as in MR30?

[covert tree]

No just maduri tree I have like so much stuff until I'm a m.r 30-34

[visual shoal]

ah ok..

Have you been doing Eidolon hunts?

[covert tree]

I haven't been able to play my hdmi port is busted

.....for now

[visual shoal]

ick, that sucks...

[tawdry socket]

A mother?

[fiery turret]

No

I already have a mother

A sister I suppose idk

[nova harness]

Warframe gives you a sister and a brother at R5 Entrati standing

[ember mulch]

Dont forget you can adopt your own sister by getting into a friendly conversation with mr. parvos

[nova harness]

We are older technically than our space mother

[visual shoal]

A whole new family

@rich crater @plush swan have you guys completed New War?

[rich crater]

Not yet I'm still at the War Within. I keep getting distracted with relics and open world stuff to do the main quests.

I'm aware of the plot through later in the story though

[visual shoal]

ahh ok

[jovial bison]

On Eleanor there's a bit of text on her thigh and on her tassel bit, is anyone able to translate it from what we see here?

[plush swan]

Yes

IIRC, I completed it the day it came out

[visual shoal]

Ahh so you're all up to date, nice....

[vale sorrel]

i completed it too

[whole musk]

sound off. hwho gave iin and bought a necramech?

[zenith jacinth]

I bought two

[agile gorge]

how bad is the grind for Bonewidow?

[zenith jacinth]

So bad that you won't want to spend another second on deimos afterwards

But it's worth it for melee mech if you don't buy it and access to almost all the mech mods

[visual shoal]

I only farmed for Voidrig (read somewhere that the Voidrig was a better option than Bonewidow).... Tough grind, but well worth it... came close to giving up and just purchasing it, but glad I stuck to farming for it...

[zenith jacinth]

Only way to know what is better than something else is always to try both yourself

I personally use voidrig for the big free roam bosses like eidolons and bonewidow for anything else

The "anything else" is getting heavily limited by how incredibly unstable wf is on steam deck though

[noble beacon]

It's not that bad ngl

I farmed for a week for voidrig because I wasn't farmmaxxing

[zenith jacinth]

Main issue is ranking up with necraloid

[noble beacon]

That's so easy what

[zenith jacinth]

The traces

[noble beacon]

Void traces?

[zenith jacinth]

Also being forced to do lower tier bounties for the matrices

[noble beacon]

Do fissure cascade or smt

[noble beacon]

Yeah true

[zenith jacinth]

I have like 30 tier 3 matrices and nothing else

It seems like I can't do the bounties anyways because going into free roam missions risks a potential full steam deck crash, forcing me to restart the entire thing

If only I knew what triggers it

[noble beacon]

Turn off the bloom and high quality lighting settings partially turn off shadows then set ur energy platform to laptop

Although lately my pc with a 3070 is randomly freezing in Warframe forcing me to close it then to reopen via steam

I'm not running max settings this is purely an problem code wise

[zenith jacinth]

It's not just warframe that freezes, the entire steam deck becomes complete unresponsive to everything except the forced power off

So far it has happened in rj and free roam, maybe it can't handle large open areas?

[noble beacon]

Probably

Maybe use an system thing that shows useage

[dapper lion]

It sounds like ram issue

Prolly deal with the power core

Since i don't think u can extend anything but ssd on sdeck

[frail whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soy01v6VriQ man, my sister was OBSESSED with these guys when i was in elementary school, and she was always mad none of her friends had ever heard of them. shoutout to DE for finally giving them the spotlight they deserve!

[balmy storm]

frrr, so glad they’re getting the recognition they deserve!

[nocturne kiln]

So, circling back around to ending as we began, a youtuber by the name of Pen is Evil has pointed out something that opened my mind to greater implications. In the 1999 demo, Arthur injected a coda worm into the infestation... in order to attempt to control it. Just as Alad V created the Mutalist strain which allowed the infested to control machines, now through machines can the infested be controlled. This means that the infested may not be the mindless force unleashed upon the past I thought they were. These infested may be acting with direction through software rather than indiscriminately as they did when they were purely biological in nature.

[zenith jacinth]

They never were purely biological

[zenith jacinth]

The what
I don't know much about technology

[thick jolt]

the coda worm is probably how we make the infested liches

coda worm - technocyte coda

[nocturne kiln]

Oh thats 100% how, even so far as Rebecca to say thats how

[nocturne kiln]

Oh not the argument about sentients being mechanical all over again. Look, whatever thier origins, the Infested could, originally, only majorly infect biological tissue.

[zenith jacinth]

And armor

But yes, that is correct

[nocturne kiln]

Lets go back to the idea that someone is programming the 1999 infested