spoiler-chat

[elder owl]

Hmm possibly

[brazen cloud]

i reckon they're gonna roll Kuva Lich and Sisters of Parvos into one big "Nemesis" banner come 1999 update

[elder owl]

Ive listened to the song multiple times, probably hints and secrets in the lyrics

Also they need to release more music…having 1 song on a constant loop will get old

[near rune]

The description on one of the websites mentions their debut song so maybe DE has plans to do that

[elder owl]

I love songs like that I grew up with, I’m hoping more will come out

I was born in 1999

[fiery kettle]

how was it like to be surrounded with techrot 24/7

[elder owl]

Lol

[fiery kettle]

did it smell good

probably smells like ikea meatballs

[elder owl]

Yum

[brittle sphinx]

24/10/99... and yeah the music starting to evolve from this time was just awesome luck to be alive at that particular time

[elder owl]

Ya

Music back then are not what we have now

Glad on-lyne is bringing it back

[brittle sphinx]

Definitely feels like they give of a westlife vibe so many people saying backstreet boys lol

[elder owl]

And nsync

[fierce summit]

N-Fested

[brittle sphinx]

My guy JT was killing it from birth XD

[elder owl]

Lol

[rain otter]

Probably they already kinda started using that language.

[solemn cloud]

Missed opportunity right there, to name the Technocyte Coda.

[coarse elk]

who are all the proto frames and their counterparts?

[chilly pine]

theres, arthur whos excal, and i cant remember the rest of their names but i know their frames are nyx, trinity, volt, mag, and cyte-09 (which is coming soon(tm))

you can also go say hi to them ingame at the hollvania mall relay that was added during tennocon

[brazen cloud]

idk fam, The Plague Stars woulda been right there

[formal grove]

Arthur - Excalibur
Amir - Volt
Aoi - Mag
Quincy - Cyte-09
Leticia - Trinity
Eleanor - Nyx

[brazen cloud]

its a Feastival, and we're all invited as food

[formal grove]

speaking of which, what are the chances that Cyte-09 is an experimental "what if the frame was cultivated by being affected by the year" project?

[brazen cloud]

entirely possible

[fierce summit]

N-Fested and their lead singer, Justin Timberlich (neither of these jokes are mine I stole them from Reddit)
Also Backstreet Boils

[elder owl]

Hey does anyone know where the photos taken from tennocon go, I seen staff taking pics and vids of people but idk where they post them

[formal grove]

another of their hit song is Shingle Ladies

[brazen cloud]

Pusstin Timberlich you mean

il see myself out

and make like a tree, and 🍃

[umbral granite]

There is a version of Warframe's events where the sentients and the infested swapped places

Very fun thought

[brazen cloud]

in what way

like we send the infested down to Tau to terraform? kinda ruining the entire tau system?

or the Sentients being in 1999

or Ballas joining the infested

[umbral granite]

Yes

[brazen cloud]

theres multiple options here

[chilly pine]

using the sentients to fight the infested

[balmy storm]

The sentients lose to the infestation, due to being overwhelmed

[nova harness]

There’s a timeline where Albrecht went back to the Origin System and this should happen now

[sick sparrow]

but its kinda cool looking

[flat magnet]

Year project?

[formal grove]

instead of cultivating the frame's development to have specific abilities or whatever the Orokin did, Cyte-09 was left alone to be affected by Quincy's day-to-day life

that's what I meant

[flat magnet]

Ahhh so he influenced how the warframe formed

[formal grove]

yeah, my prediction for Cyte-09 is that instead of being specifically cultivated, it was shaped by Quincy's daily life in 1999 with Scaldra and the Techrot being there

[zenith jacinth]

Mirage supports the theory, the final product can be influenced by the host

[balmy storm]

Interestingly Reb brought up the fact they have numbered frames now
So we could see other numbered frames, potentially other Cytes

[flat magnet]

My theory is that he is the 9th to be infected by albrecht and looking at the order of warframe releases, it’s possible we could see ash Loki and rhino hex frames

[brazen cloud]

i used a combination of some of the kubrow skins with other armors to arrive at cool looks, like the nidus phryke kubrow with the prime armor coating, like this. Helminth Charger Metus with Kavasa Prime Kubrow Armor

[formal grove]

Rhino is being a noisy boi outside Scaldra HQ, Ash is in the vents looking for the intel room, and Loki is in the women's locker rooms taking photos to "research the enemy"

[balmy storm]

Its not that he’s the 9th specifically but that his batch is

[white summit]

Guys I just found a massive Easter egg in duviri

[flat magnet]

Nah Loki is following major rusalka for “intel”

[white summit]

In the cave with albrecht’s grave in it

[brazen cloud]

massive easter egg you say?

[white summit]

In this chamber, this thing in the hole only appears when someone is looking up at it from below

[brazen cloud]

you can make an easier screenshot

alt printscreen

[white summit]

Ok

[brazen cloud]

and then paste here

[flat magnet]

Woah I didn’t realise some people play windowed mode

[brazen cloud]

i did back years ago before i got a second monitor

[flat magnet]

I’m on ps5 so I wouldn’t know but couldn’t you just alt tab whilst on full screen?

[balmy storm]

Wait whats the easter egg here

[brazen cloud]

trying to figure that out myself, cant really see cause picture quality not good enough 😄

thats why i suggested the alt prtscn

[balmy storm]

My immediate thought was the loss meme but idk

[nova harness]

Isn’t that the portal that gives the rarer rewards

[white summit]

there is a grid of blue lines

[balmy storm]

What’s the easter egg tho

[brittle sphinx]

If you really want to do some damage to your 👀 then you should do what I do...

[balmy storm]

Might just be a dev texture?

[brazen cloud]

blue lines looks like individual texture blocks that arent rendered properly because sposed to not be seen

[balmy storm]

What do you do-

[white summit]

h,,,

[brazen cloud]

like the borders of those blocks

[balmy storm]

Def looks like it could be the dev texture

[white summit]

I mean the other thing is they disintegrate out in a way if you go up near them using a kaithe

[balmy storm]

But what’s the easter egg

[brazen cloud]

probs cause no inherent collision to them?

[white summit]

And these definitely weren't here before

[brittle sphinx]

See so bad it won't show you guys the nintendo switch symbol it's self

[white summit]

Would any of you guys like to get on my squad for like a few minutes and see what it looks like on the surface while I look up at it

[brazen cloud]

not needed, its just improperly loaded textures

[balmy storm]

^

Very likely the dev checkerboard texture

[brazen cloud]

think Gmod, if you for example have a huge but barely visible texture that isnt working, ex, dust particles, it looks like the entire world is pink and black boxes

[balmy storm]

Idk if you can still get out of bounds in the war within mountain captura but you can find it there too, behind the door

[fierce summit]

Warframe uses a grey-ish checkerboard similar to the one used in Unreal, as opposed to the more magenta default textures used in other engines
So that screenshot lines up with other known examples

[flat magnet]

What about the bright green unloaded textures?

[brazen cloud]

idk, im preferential to the blue ones

[flat magnet]

There’s blue?

I’ve only ever seen bright green on warframes and archwings

[brazen cloud]

the entire rainbow is present, but dont tell that to big darvo

🥷

[balmy storm]

BIG DARVO

WHAT IS BIG DARVO LMAO

[brazen cloud]

wouldnt you like to know, quackyduck

[balmy storm]

I would

[nova harness]

Where’s Little Darvo?

[fierce summit]

Frohd Bek of course

[balmy storm]

Ooooh, that tracks

[nova harness]

Actually where’s Big Duck

[balmy storm]

Idk but I know where littlest duck is

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-little-duck-solaris-gif-21084918

[balmy storm]

That’s my pfp!

Best pic on the internet

[nova harness]

Does LD actually have a head in her chest?

[brazen cloud]

yes'nt

[balmy storm]

Yes no, it’s just a duck

Little duck is very pretty actually

[brazen cloud]

there is a head yes

but it opens up and reveals a duck

[balmy storm]

Hope she gets some relevance in the current arc
Maybe to fight Parvos

[nova harness]

Is Clem Littlest Darvo?

[brazen cloud]

which has a head inside of it, which has another duck inside of it, its the eternal matrojka doll, but then its a robo duck

big duck is currently busy taking over Elden Rings

[balmy storm]

As she should

[nova harness]

Fortuna got a guy banned from this server

[balmy storm]

Huh?!

[nova harness]

Basically a guy used to only moan about Thursby existing

[rain otter]

Why

Legs is fine.

[brazen cloud]

i am perplexed, confused, and quite possibly perturbed D:

[nova harness]

He wasn’t human enough apparently

[balmy storm]

What why???

[brazen cloud]

Thursby is good egg

[rain otter]

Lul lmao

[nova harness]

Eventually him being offensive like this week after week got him banned

[rain otter]

Lul lmao part 2

[potent vine]

Since he’s protector stalker I’m just glad he doesn’t bring his baby with when he hunts us lol

[scarlet basalt]

THere must be a strand of khra where the stalker use the baby as a beam

[potent vine]

Practically homelander

[brazen cloud]

Stalker DEFINITELY goes to Mommy&Me classes

[undone lodge]

But what’s Big Behk?

[potent vine]

Won’t be surprise if stalker asks lotus to watch over his kid if he has to do something without bringing harm to the baby

[nova harness]

He brings him to stalk us though

[potent vine]

I know at drifters camp

[tawdry socket]

what Coda weapons do y'all think we'll get?

I'm thinking at LEAST Phage is getting one

Scoliac is probably still paying for the sins of Maiming Strike

Dual Ichor/Toxocyst likely won't given they have Incarnons, same with Torid

[scarlet basalt]

it would be wild if scoliac is getting a trait with the coda prefix
Like it would be Spin2win

[flat magnet]

If they do a lot of melee I’d imagine mios / caustacyst too

[tawdry socket]

I'm torn on bringing spin2win back cause it was truly degenerate

[flat magnet]

If not defo phage, sporothrix, synapse

[tawdry socket]

Coda Cerata

[flat magnet]

Paracyst

Infested liches probably won’t have a lot of melee based on previous faction liches but they could be implemented like tenet melees through the hex syndicate

[tawdry socket]

Hmm, I'd prefer to not

Holokey farm sucks and having to wait a week for a good % or element

So anything reminding me of that would be painful

[near rune]

I feel like Infested are MORE prone to melee weapons

[tawdry socket]

Also yeah actually it probably would balance them out to have more melee weapons

[flat magnet]

I’m just basing it on the fact that there is only one lich melee weapon acquired from liches

[tawdry socket]

We'll still get like 3-4 new funi weapons I bet

[potent vine]

I’m thinking mire since it’s an infested weapon in a way

[brazen cloud]

i didnt even get the original Sporothrix cause the grind too tedious lol, i'd certainly get though if Coda Sporothrix happened

Coda Synapse would go nuts, thing already has a 39% crit chance with inherent corrosive.

i kinda hope for Coda Hema, it never really got its chance to shine, would allow for an Arcane Avenger build to flourish.

Coda Phage would be neat simply because lots of beams.

and of course there'll be unique Coda weapons that we've never seen before, like Tenet Diplos or Kuva Chakkhurr

[tawdry socket]

Coda Hema would be great but watch the grind for it be brutal just to rub in the Mutagen Sample grind harder

[potent vine]

I guess we can say Techrot is a new strain in a way?

[flat magnet]

I love the diplos but it’s held back by its gimmick

[tawdry socket]

Coda Phage feels perfect cause it's that perfect point where it's juuuuust not good enough without a riven but the dispo is so high that it really juices it, and I think a Coda variant would do similar funny things

[flat magnet]

Could just be the name of it before it was termed as technocyte

[tawdry socket]

Techrot seems like the "1999 name" for Technocyte, or like a slang term

[flat magnet]

but could also be a “new” strain

[tawdry socket]

A lot of Infested weapons all have innate Toxin, Viral or Corrosive so it's gonna be weird having Lich elements tied to them unless they either remove the innate elements they have OR do something wack

[balmy storm]

The Mire is perfect for the infested liches
Its from the plague year after all

[fierce summit]

Technically it's from the "Great Plague" which sounds like it might be the same thing but it also might be different
Mire confirmed 1999 when DE?

[nova harness]

Torid Incarnon + Infested Liches would be godly

[balmy storm]

True, could be from the time of the 18th radiation war

[brazen cloud]

originally when i thought "the great plague" i was thinking middle ages bubonic type deal, or a great holy infestation temple

[potent vine]

Grey strain was from bombing Deimos
The emissary strain was from “Arlo” (I think)
Mutualist was from Alad V
The regular strain is by the Orokin

[flat magnet]

Remind me, did the great plague happen in the orokin era or before?

[tawdry socket]

Coda Cernos is a given I think, given how much DE loves giving Cernos variants

[balmy storm]

Helminth is also from the Orokin

[undone lodge]

Never actually said IIRC

[potent vine]

Techrots by Albrecht I guess?

[potent vine]

If it is a new strain that is

[nova harness]

it could be pre Orokin

[brazen cloud]

Cernos, Cernos Prime, Mutalist Cernos, Rakta Cernos, Proboscis Cernos, Cernos Cernos, Cernos squared......

[balmy storm]

Techrot likely isn’t from Albrecht, but this altered helninth one is

[flat magnet]

Kuva tenet umbral

[brazen cloud]

Cernos needs to be its own faction

its just sentient bows, not as in the sentient faction, just living bows

[flat magnet]

Lmao

[tawdry socket]

Can't wait to get Narmer Liches in like, 2031

Tau Cernos

[scarlet basalt]

one thing about techrot is that well...
IF it was from albretch then the vessel would have music part with them but not.
The techrot is another weird layer of the infestation, yk it make me think about hive fleet from WH40K maybe this is the same but with different theme ?

[nova harness]

Archons

[potent vine]

Now I think about it. Sorren IS IN the stalker suit and not using transference no?

[brazen cloud]

Cernosist, the Sentient version

[tawdry socket]

Sorren IS the Stalker

[undone lodge]

Sorren is

[tawdry socket]

The suit is actually the man

[fierce summit]

Yes it has been confirmed that he was turned into a Warframe by the Orokin like Jade, Excalibur Umbra, and all the rest

[undone lodge]

We have no indication of it being a suit rather than just straight up him being Framed

[nova harness]

Sorren is dead Stalker remains

[potent vine]

Jade and him was more of a harsh punishment for breaking the code tbh

[fierce summit]

Well, yes, when Ballas says "volunteers or otherwise" Jade and Stalker both fall under the "otherwise".

[tawdry socket]

Ballas making Umbra: Snitches get stitches
Ballas making Jade and Stalker: Only I am allowed to bang a coworker

[potent vine]

Wonder what will happen to between hunhow and him now or he’ll just work for him again later on

[balmy storm]

Poor Hunhow, all he can do is talk to some fish now

[fierce summit]

We WILL build a giant crane and pull him out of the water so that he can go be a farmer again.

[nova harness]

Or just my relationship failed so you can’t have one

[balmy storm]

Maybe we let him destroy a world or two for old times sake

[brazen cloud]

soon we're finding a mortus lungfish with the War chasing us down, flopping aggressively

[balmy storm]

Ah, the butthurt option
A Ballas classic

[balmy storm]

Finally, a worthy foe

[flat magnet]

Step Grandad is now lonely at the bottom of Neptune

[tawdry socket]

Fibonacci's arch nemesis

[fierce summit]

If they were 1st-Gens (as I theorize they are) then technically Ballas' relatonship with Margulis is still fine functional at that point

[balmy storm]

They’re likely 2nd gens as Jade had an operator and all the 1st gens were destroyed due to the insurrection iirc

[scarlet basalt]

the stalker x hunhow dynamic ceasing make me think that it will open a better path to those two
The stalker making his life with the baby, giving him their need and watching it grow... Even if it take thousands of years
Hunhow can now stop being in the ocean even if his void scar is damaging him, one thing that could be bad is that if it wasn't the only reason why he is still in the ocean but i always thought it was bcz of jade/stalker

[flat magnet]

I like that Jade was truly a mother by the point she was a warframe because she calmed her operator down and inadvertently gained control over herself

[balmy storm]

We love Jade

[brazen cloud]

imagine if sentient grandaddy Hunhow will end up helping us against the man in the wall

[flat magnet]

I don’t think hunhow can acc escape his location

[nova harness]

No Jade was the Operator as she had something no other Warframe had a ||Uno reverso card||

[scarlet basalt]

Operator is supposed to calm down the warframe
The warframe calm down the operator

[tawdry socket]

the tenno/warframe relationship is a symbiotic one

[scarlet basalt]

well he can't when we think about it, he would just get blasted by ships

[brazen cloud]

Jade didnt have the one thing she needed unfortunately.

a banana for scale 🍌

[balmy storm]

Since Jade had an Operator we could assume Stalker did too but considering he didnt know our secret I’m inclined to believe he was an exception, never given a tenno

[flat magnet]

I mean that he’s physically stuck there

[fierce summit]

Yes, but that also means Stalker has an operator, and unlike Jade we haven't seen any way for him to escape that operator. Which means he'd still have one now, which means we either have a Rell situation with another rogue Tenno that's been hunting us the whole time, or the Stalker doesn't actually have one anymore

I theorize 1st-Gen because a) it's more convenient for the Stalker if he doesn't have an operator and thus his actions are his own, and b) Jade was already being used for executions well before she was given an operator. As for how they survived, I theorize that Jade was spared because it was trivial to retrofit her into a 2nd-Gen (as we know is possible) and Stalker was spared because he was never deemed a risk due to his devotion.

[potent vine]

We don’t know if it’s a baby Warframe or Tenno as of now

[scarlet basalt]

with 500 years i think someone is capable of rebuilding his own thrusters tbf

[brazen cloud]

i think Warframe, as when Jade got Framed, so did the yet to be born baby inside of her methinks

[flat magnet]

I mean he was still stuck there in Natah quest

[scarlet basalt]

yeah, still weird bcz the quest always imply that he could just get out but doesn't do for some reason
Like he don't say " i can't" but "For reason i cannot abandon"

[balmy storm]

I can see that, I could also see Stalker just not being given an Operator because of his devotion in general, still making them 2nd generation

[nova harness]

What would happen if an Operator died while controlling a Warframe but no nukes or anything

[flat magnet]

Yeah deffo a Babyframe because for it to be a Tenno it had to have been one of the children aboard the zariman

[fierce summit]

Yeah, if the "no-operator" option was there the whole time it all still works out with them as 2nd-Gens
I just don't want the Stalker to have an operator because the tragedy and drama comes from the fact that Sorren did those things, not some kiddo

[balmy storm]

So reasonably could go either way since Stalker wouldn’t have needed a Tenno

If he was just a little defiant he would’ve known our secret sooner

[fierce summit]

Ooh, even more dramatic irony

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe
He was like jade but his hatred was so strong that it repelled the operator and subconsciously get his sentience ?
Bcz like Jade & stalker are like the invert of each other

[balmy storm]

I think as 2nd gen Stalker wouldn’t have needed one at all, he was loyal, did what he was told, never did anything “odd or weird”

[balmy storm]

I don’t think he was given an Operator at all

Also by the point of him being a frame he wouldn’t have had his hatred yet

[fiery kettle]

i think stalker is like the silver grove archimedean

he did a one-way transference to an excal body

[balmy storm]

No, he’s definitively a frame

[fierce summit]

Same, friend, but unfortunately DE has invalidated this theory

[fiery kettle]

either that or umbra incident number 2

[balmy storm]

The Orokin helminthed him and Jade as punishment

[flat magnet]

He was framed as punishment for having a child with Jade

[balmy storm]

Not an Umbra 2 incident either

[fiery kettle]

gg

[balmy storm]

Head to Teshin in any relay, there’s some lore regarding Jade and Stalker to read up on

[scarlet basalt]

wait wtf will be jade prime ?
Like what kind of text would it be : "Abhorrescent woman with a child i could never had !" Or smthg like that ?

[fiery kettle]

yea i read the whole thingy

[balmy storm]

Jade Prime wouldn’t have the child

[tawdry socket]

god yeah Jade Prime is gonna be weird

[brazen cloud]

you know what i want?

Veldt Prime. a good semi auto if not bolt action

[balmy storm]

The child isn’t a part of her blueprint, the child is its own warframe separate from her, its growth halted by Ballas until Jade decided to lay down for a long time

[scarlet basalt]

sadly the design of the ball baby can't be changed so she would definitly had a child

[flat magnet]

She’d probably still have the pregnancy tho

[balmy storm]

No, she wouldn’t

[scarlet basalt]

well that would destroy the design of a pregnant womanframe

[balmy storm]

Why would the child be part of the blueprint?

[fiery kettle]

[real niche]

The child was already born and then she died

[balmy storm]

I’ll take the option where every Jade after the original doesn’t have the child rather than she totally is still pregnant but it will never grow because of Ballas’ design

[scarlet basalt]

You can't just remove the baby from the design sadly
So there would be a floating ball in her stomach with for some reason glass 😭

[flat magnet]

Part of Ballas’ sadism?

[scarlet basalt]

Must be wild to think that jade had a glass belly

[fierce summit]

Not necessarily. Just because the OG Jade was pregnant and was punished for it doesn't mean the person who gets turned into the Prime needs to be. Infestation is whack and can grow a whole lot more than a fake baby bump.

I can even see Ballas' logic for making a Jade Prime. The OG Jade was used for executions but eventually was shipped off to war, leaving her position as Portable Laser open for another to fill. Ballas then decides "I'd like a replacement but dripped out this time" and turns some other poor sucker into a shiny new Jade.

The only weird part is that Jade does not appear to be the name that the Orokin chose for her; it's the name she uses for herself. When she gets her operator, the operator "calls her by a name she does not choose", which means that Jade Prime probably wouldn't be called that.

[balmy storm]

Eeh, maybe but other Jades would be copies, not the original

[balmy storm]

You can, they are two seperate entities

[scarlet basalt]

Jade prime will have a ball of jade light energy in her belly extracted from a baby

[balmy storm]

Why is that extracted from the baby??

[nova harness]

This exists

[balmy storm]

The jade light ball is just jade light, not the child

[scarlet basalt]

I mean the baby look like it's a literal concentrate of jade light lmao

[balmy storm]

It doesnt but okay

[scarlet basalt]

Just pump the baby

[balmy storm]

The baby def had jade powers, but isn’t made of the jade light itself

Not anymore than Jade at least

[graceful zodiac]

The child is an inherent part to Jade. It's just that unless you do what Jade did and just sit for a thousand plus nothing will come of it

[flat magnet]

Why are people so weird about Jade being pregnant?

[scarlet basalt]

THey hate pregnant woman idk

[real niche]

Either they hate pregnant women or have trauma based around a pregnancy

[balmy storm]

So every Jade is pregnant?
I choose the other option of the baby not being part of the remade Jades

[nova harness]

They hate pregnant women going into combat

[flat magnet]

In the jade shadows chat someone said they like Jade but can’t play her because her design is weird like what?

[tawdry socket]

Judging by the community's reaction to the cosplay contest I think they just hate women

[graceful zodiac]

Technically yes. It's just not really a possible fetus

[balmy storm]

Some people are uncomfortable with her being pregnant, no idea if its just being pregnant or being used for war but that’s what it is

[scarlet basalt]

Mhh the way it's made is weird bcz the quest actually imply that the ball of energy in her body (+ the weird minigame in it) make it feels like the ball is literally the baby
Actually nevermind the jade's light is actually keeping the baby alive

[flat magnet]

I’d agree of them not being actually pregnant but rather designed to look pregnant instead to copy the original

[balmy storm]

That’s what I’m sayin’

[brazen cloud]

weirdos who are influenced by modern day influencers to dislike anything even remotely outside of their own tiny comfort zone, to say it politically

[flat magnet]

Ahhh that’s what I meant with Jade Prime being pregnant as part of her design mb

[balmy storm]

But why? The baby isn’t integral to her design and functions, is it?
Its a separate entity to her, its growth stunted as a punishment

[fierce summit]

People do be getting weird about the pregnancy thing - I have seen way too many people confidently declare it as a fetish
Like no genius, it's a normal human body function that we have arbitrarily made taboo; if you see it as a fetish that says more about you than it does about the designer

[balmy storm]

Real

[tawdry socket]

There's plenty of actual fetish content in warframe anyway

[scarlet basalt]

She somehow delivered the baby after 500 years
The baby just took their sweet time

[nova harness]

1000

[brazen cloud]

the sheer amount of backpain alone from that

[scarlet basalt]

Sirius/Orion taking their sweet time to go out 😭

[balmy storm]

Ballas stunted the growth of the child, halting it entirely and teased her with “stay still and maybe somethin will happen” and after she saved Sorren she did just that

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-kuzco-boom-baby-boom-surprise-gif-3883901

[real niche]

Me when people go nuts over Wisp but draw the line at Jade

[flat magnet]

Was there this much of a freak out over Xaku?

[brazen cloud]

people stanning wisp is fine by me.....

more Protea for me

[scarlet basalt]

It's also very strange bcz like
Jade is likely the most well designed warframe (kit + model), even tho i don't really understand the angel x Pregnancy design but okay maybe i need to search on why they designed like that

[graceful zodiac]

It really would just be part of the design with the new lore. We could develop another fetus, but otherwise it's just a pool of energy.

[fierce summit]

Like the big-and-round vore frame was fine but the means by which literally every human ever was brought into existence is too much?

[balmy storm]

Dang
I can def see people not being comfortable with her now even with the new lore then :/

[scarlet basalt]

Child labor before they're even born 😭

[flat magnet]

Yeah I’d imagine those same people who find it weird are staring at ember heirloom for hours

[flat magnet]

Not the least ethical thing the orokin empire has done

[fierce summit]

There's no fetus in rebuilt Jades; the BP was scanned from her remnants after she gave birth and died, so the baby is not encoded. If you find some Orokin-era BP for her then you would get another baby but the ones we have are baby-free.

[brazen cloud]

i designed mine more like the stereotypical anime mom colorwise, yanno, pink sweater and white kitchen apron over it. kinda like this

[balmy storm]

I can understand being uncomfortable with the idea of a pregnant woman being used as a weapon of war
But also we’ve literally been playing as child soldiers

[balmy storm]

I agree with this interpretation

[solemn cloud]

Yeah I've been trying to get myself used to playing as Drifter for obvious 1999 reasons.

[balmy storm]

The eyes are even green

[flat magnet]

One my my favourite things about her design is that her wings wrap around her to look like a maternity dress

[solemn cloud]

I love my Operator - but sometimes the fact he's a minor kinda makes me squick.

[balmy storm]

So glad I fashioned my drifter for 1999
I’m ready

[flat magnet]

I stayed with my operator for a while until drifter started getting more drip

[fierce summit]

Also since the baby was a pre-existing condition all that Ballas did was make it so that the baby was functionally stuck in stasis. Jade was then able to meditate so hard that she rerouted her power core through the en-stasis'd baby and eventually gave birth. But without another fetus already there that power core is just a battery.

[balmy storm]

Actually took a pic recently
1999 Drifter

[solemn cloud]

Anyone else find it terribly unforgiving, to make a halfway attractive male Drifter?

[tawdry socket]

hoping we get some awesome 1999 drip for drifter

[scarlet basalt]

Could 1999 allow us to use a machine gun as drifter ? (please DE?)
Machine gun against tridolon

[fierce summit]

Yes

[solemn cloud]

He either comes out looking like Pedro Pascal, or dog food and very little in-between.

[brazen cloud]

using Nataruk as Drifter made me think we'd get to eventually use proper weapons as our operators..... still makes me sad :c

[balmy storm]

Unfortunately we don’t need those kinds of weapons as Drifter as they have void powers
But maybe some amps in the style of more unique weapons would be a good compromise

[flat magnet]

Yes I’ve made mine look Asian and using the orokin skins looks fine but if I switch to a normal skin tone it looks weird sometimes

[graceful zodiac]

No, Drifter is deliberately not meant to have that

[tawdry socket]

not the Pedro Pascal slander in my wf discord

[balmy storm]

Pedro (dog food) Pascal?

[solemn cloud]

Don't get me wrong - I love Pedro Pascal but I was not trying to look like him 😅

[fierce summit]

It's not that he looks bad, it's that he's just one of many different types of snacks and we need more options

[brazen cloud]

the only Pedro i know is Pedro Pedro Pedro the raccoon

[solemn cloud]

So if you don't, you get dog food.

[brazen cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah an alternative like that would actually be good
It would be interesting to see them use more alternative to weapons, bow-like,machine gun type
I mean they did a flamethrower/semi auto one

[balmy storm]

I still want a void-based pair of gauntlets
Alas, we shall never see them

[scarlet basalt]

Melee operator through amp would be WILD lmao

[zenith jacinth]

I'm fine with pedro pascal drifter, it's better than tennobama

[brazen cloud]

we got an assault rifle type, forgot its name doe

[tawdry socket]

Between the semi-auto setting and the Magazine Size decree added in JS, you can basically turn Sirocco into a machine gun and it's very funny

[scarlet basalt]

Rahn prism actually seems close
but the damage seems to be very weak

[fierce summit]

*Goes void mode* Now uh, let me be clear.

[zenith jacinth]

Why did I never think of that

[brazen cloud]

i've got the certus brace and the crit arcane, adding the heat damage when voidslinging one soon to try it out

[undone lodge]

Orokin skins?

[tawdry socket]

when you max out all nodes in a focus tree you can buy stuff for focus

[flat magnet]

Yeah you can get orokin skin colours

[undone lodge]

You mean the ones from Focus Schools?

[tawdry socket]

Including skin colours

[flat magnet]

Yeah

[undone lodge]

Ah

[balmy storm]

Is the refacia kit ethical

[zenith jacinth]

Bad jokes are my whole thing how could I miss such an easy one

[scarlet basalt]

imagine having melee amp but it's like braces where you punch and go close to ennemies
Because OP have actually higher hp/ehp than most warframe

[fierce summit]

Bad excuse you that joke was brilliant

[tawdry socket]

Define Ethical in a post-orokin world

[solemn cloud]

Does not consume another sentient being.

[zenith jacinth]

A bad joke can still be a good joke

[balmy storm]

Literally what I said with the void gauntlet 😭

[scarlet basalt]

yeah, imagine how cool would it be

[flat magnet]

Genetically Changing skin tones for cosmetics is unethical imo

[scarlet basalt]

i'm thinking of the gameplay of yuanwu from wuwa
Just a dude punching

[tawdry socket]

i just want Drifter to be able to use the Duviri melee weapons as Operator

[balmy storm]

I’ll rephrase
In-universe is the refacia kit ethical
and by modern standards is the refacia kit ethical

[brazen cloud]

you cant even imagine how fast i'd grind out the resources to punch people with my operator

[solemn cloud]

I would love some outside of the box use for the amps. Drifter seems like the type to mess with them to see what shenanigans they could come up with.

[flat magnet]

My answer is based on modern standards

[balmy storm]

So using the refacia kit makes us just as bad as the Orokin

[scarlet basalt]

I actually feels a little bit weirded out by the fact that there's no Amp from duviri that allow you to simulate duviri weapon

[zenith jacinth]

Now I'm imagining a drifter fighting through armies of enemies like kiryu from the yakuza games

[fierce summit]

What's unethical about it? As long as you do it to yourself and the production method isn't... questionable it should be fine.

[tawdry socket]

We aren't buying or selling children as body donors

[flat magnet]

Not as bad but ethically wrong

[brazen cloud]

on the one hand, ethics

on the other hand, cosplaying as a smurf.

[balmy storm]

Changing our skin tone on the fly for cosmetic purposes seems pretty unethical
If someone did that today it’d be seen as unethical

[flat magnet]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for gene editing it would open us up to so many things as long as it’s for the benefit of the wellbeing of people but using gene editing for cosmetic reasons is wrong

[balmy storm]

Well yeah, but still

[solemn cloud]

Or, and bear with me, but what about
Incarnon Amps.

[scarlet basalt]

warframe peak gameplay : punching people with void imbued fist (like ruvox)

[tawdry socket]

to be fair you can change your entire body at will regardless of the refacia kit

[scarlet basalt]

we're the incarnon of the amp 😔

[brazen cloud]

i mean, technically it does exist, Tattoo blackout

[balmy storm]

What’s tattoo blackout?

[scarlet basalt]

but DE actually said that there won't be OP melee iirc ?

[brazen cloud]

just solid black ink to cover an entire bodypart

[scarlet basalt]

This sound painful

[flat magnet]

Op/drifter combat outside of duviri yes

[brazen cloud]

you wouldnt know the half of it, its the most extreme form of tattooing

[balmy storm]

Okay that looks cool and I don’t think that’s unethical

[undone lodge]

People care about skin colour due to race and stuff today

[scarlet basalt]

we're doomed, now we have to know if Drifter/operator will be playable in 1999
And also they should make duviri fist

[balmy storm]

The difference here is the refacia kit is altering your skin tone to look like the Orokin, a people, a race, even if they sucked is that not unethical to do?

[brazen cloud]

well, i do know a more extreme form, and it has actual health problems associated with it if done poorly, and margin of error is millimeters thin

[tawdry socket]

someone should hook justin trudeau up with an orokin refacia kit

[brazen cloud]

eyeball tattoos exist.....

[balmy storm]

In-universe its not seen as unethical
But by modern standards would it not be?

[flat magnet]

Gene editing is a whole different level to just putting ink in between skin layers

[balmy storm]

Tattoos are different from changing your skin tone to look like a race of people 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Some people scare me with the ideas they have

[brazen cloud]

there's people that did 100% blackout tattoo, none of their skin color is the original tint

[zenith jacinth]

I would not want to risk damage to my eyes just for a tattoo

[scarlet basalt]

It would be wild if Operator/drifter actually go into 1999 and you can actually fight infestation with them
But like they have their void power 😭

[undone lodge]

Is Refacia just for the special skin colours or normal ones too?

[real niche]

Special colors

[balmy storm]

Orokin skin tones only

[flat magnet]

In universe I’d assume any skin tone

[balmy storm]

That’s still different than altering your skin tone to specifically that of another group of people

[undone lodge]

Then a lot less, but there’d still be some ethical issues people’d have with it

[brazen cloud]

theres also colloidal silver effects

[balmy storm]

I doubt blackout tattoos are being used to try and look like another race whereas the refacia kit is exactly that

[undone lodge]

If it was normal skin colours too, then yeah, obv, since to us skin colour actually matters and is culturally and ethnically relevant

[zenith jacinth]

I'm surprised at how many names here I'm recognizing so far, kinda expected to not remember anyone anymore

[brazen cloud]

....that did happen with one guy that i recall years ago

[balmy storm]

Then they were doing it unethically and that’s messed up 😭

[tawdry socket]

This conversation took a weird turn

[zenith jacinth]

Indeed

[balmy storm]

Lets swap topics
I got my answer

[real niche]

The Orokin empire doesn't seem to really care about our version of race relations because A.) our races don't exist and B.) The rich guys don't care because everyone else is just "the poor people"

[brazen cloud]

brings me back to my statement from two days ago r something, the Orokin empire mirrors the human world in more ways than i'd like to admit

[flat magnet]

Yeah people mistake orokin as racists when they’re classists

[nova harness]

Though we can’t get the blue 100%

[balmy storm]

In-universe its whatever
In ours its unethical
At least by modern standards
Lets move on

[brazen cloud]

Argyria, the effects of Colloidal silver

[tawdry socket]

Found out that Amelia Tyler is Eleanor and idk if that's changed my opinion on who I'm romancing in 1999

[brazen cloud]

overdosing on it causes extreme bluing of the skin. but yeah, now moving on from this

[fierce summit]

Yes! Haha! YES!

[tawdry socket]

The voice cast is really cool actually

[balmy storm]

What are you all looking forward to with 1999?

[zenith jacinth]

Music

[brazen cloud]

am 100% picking Eleanor, i just vibe with

[fierce summit]

Exploring the new tileset and reading even more stuffs

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait for the party of our lifetime

[scarlet basalt]

One thing i'd be thinking is that
If nyx/eleanor can literally read a person like a book
It means
She has used it on the techrot
Oh my god she will have the most unhinged lore

[tawdry socket]

we got Hecate Hades, Clive FF16, Mario Mario, uhhh what are the other funny ones

[chilly pine]

infested railjack

[zenith jacinth]

I was just about to make that joke

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah Eleanor is going to have the most unhinged lore i fear

[balmy storm]

Depends on if she can even read the techrot, a hivemind is a lot busier than a normal mind

[balmy storm]

Wdym Mario Mario—

[tawdry socket]

She might have at least attempted and it could be massively overwhelming for her, idk if that's why Lettie was looking after her in the demo

[scarlet basalt]

If she can read amir, she could potentially try to have a very big board of what they're saying tho

[balmy storm]

I think you’re underestimating the chaos that would be a hive mind

[zenith jacinth]

I can't decide, I like all the characters

[tawdry socket]

Kevin Afghani, Amir, is Mario from Mario (Wonder, specifically)

[sour adder]

Isn’t Eleanor the only one to not directly talk?

[scarlet basalt]

between the chaos you can try to have order 😔
But i doubt she would be able to comprehend them

[balmy storm]

WHAT

[fierce summit]

Yep

[chilly pine]

alot of cool VAs

[scarlet basalt]

I feel like she would potentially lead us to more about it (not being able to 100% comprehend it)
But it could actually be related to on-lyne's becoming infested
Which also could explain a lot more on "replica" that this infested strain do

[tawdry socket]

Something I find interesting (or horrifying) is that Lettie seems to still have her actual flesh legs

[balmy storm]

I love 1999

[brazen cloud]

i wonder a rather large amount of things about Eleanor. including and not limited to just about how much she can read about people, perhaps even things the person in question has forgotten. what if she met Excalibur Umbra?

[zenith jacinth]

I only recognized proto-nyx's voice so far, I wonder if I could recognize the other ones from somewhere too if I tried

[amber terrace]

Krestion: is 'See It In The Flesh', the combat theme loop from Whispers In The Walls made by On-Lyne?

[balmy storm]

Is Quincy’s VA from anything well known?
I mean I assume so but 👀

[tawdry socket]

if you played ff16 then you'd instantly clock Arthur

[scarlet basalt]

Lmao it would be crazy to bring to our current timeline the Hex member and see that they have to fight eldritch being...
Oh... that's the literally the new emote

[zenith jacinth]

I have not

[tawdry socket]

He seems new to VA work, he's had a few acting roles but nothing huge

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC "See it in the flesh" is only from Matthew chalmers
On lyne is very separate
There's actually 6 voiced song in 1999
So 6 song for the infestation/scaldra/"void"

[chilly pine]

wonder how many VAs warframe and BG3 have in common now

[balmy storm]

Interesting
Any other interesting VAs so far?
Neci’s?

[tawdry socket]

Xeto from Jade Shadows, actually!

Who is Pan, Demi and Nonbinary

[balmy storm]

Woah, very nice!

[brazen cloud]

and like, each frame had been there technically during the fall of the orokin empire, so Eleanor would be able to see each frame do their own acts of rebellion against the orokin overlords.

[balmy storm]

Love their work, hope they get some fun lines

[scarlet basalt]

"You punched a meteor 😭 ?"/"You killed thousands of people ?"/"There are evil robots ??"/"Giant infestation exist ???"

[tawdry socket]

https://www.warframe.com/news/meet-the-voices-of-the-warframe-1999-demo

[fierce summit]

OH WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT
Also I don't know which accent is correct but I'm going to guess Rusalka because Xeto gives me a "British trying to do American" vibe

[tawdry socket]

Slight correction! Lettie's VA is pan demi nb, I was mixing up them with Xeto/Neci's VA

[scarlet basalt]

Actually Eleanor is the most exciting part of 1999
She would be surprised about the amount of thing in our universe where the infestation became worse

[balmy storm]

Oooh, ok

[nova harness]

Mario voices a character

[tawdry socket]

oh right and Cy is back! :D love Cephalon Cy

[balmy storm]

Who are y’all planning on playing as during 1999?
And are you preparing your respective frame for their eventual gemini-skin?

[brazen cloud]

Chris Pratt?!

[scarlet basalt]

Eleanor : "So does your techrot copy ?"
Operator/drifter : "It can launch a meteor/laser beam at its sister/Brother"

[balmy storm]

We love Cy!
Love their VA too

[balmy storm]

You’re going to the void now :]

[zenith jacinth]

I'm stuck as an ash main help

[nova harness]

The game VA

[tawdry socket]

as a Hildryn main...............

[brazen cloud]

i am going to make the wallboi fear me, he's going to cower before my dank deepfried memes

[scarlet basalt]

I think Excalibur, i love the voice of arthur
But cyte-09... I'm sorry but this guy is way more interesting than i thought
Him having a sniper/machine gun type of signature weapon sound wild

[balmy storm]

Aside from your main who would you want to play as in 1999? lol

[chilly pine]

gettting the gemini skin will probably motivate me to go play those frames

[tawdry socket]

I wanna play as Arthur as much as possible so that I get Ben Starr's voice directly into my veins

[balmy storm]

Motivated me to make Nyx good

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not intentionally an ash main

[tawdry socket]

God I hope Samantha Beart (Karlach BG3) gets to be in warframe some day

[fierce summit]

If we do end up playing as one of the hex I'm taking Amir, both because I just like Volt more than the others and also because I like Amir.

[balmy storm]

Proto Ember
👀

[brazen cloud]

im excited to see the Nyx and Trin light reworks. other than that, depends on Caliban's rework stats. if his sentient allies are going to do some decent damage il use him again

[fiery kettle]

proto hildryn

[brazen cloud]

wait....

[chilly pine]

i should go finish my nyx volt and trinity primes

[brazen cloud]

if Protea can timetravel technically.....

doesnt that mean she can be her own protoframe?!

[balmy storm]

I hope they don’t nerf Nyx in the process-

[balmy storm]

No

[tawdry socket]

Protea has like, local time manipulation at best I think

[brazen cloud]

iunno, can be nuttier. we got Limbo who can hop dimension's willy nilly

[scarlet basalt]

Also one thing that IS VERYYYYY interesting is the gameplay of 1999 :

Scaldra ennemies have weakness
There are specific "barrel" that is used to desintegrate everything
Cyte-09 can go in a building (likely this will be changed to go on top of a build and shot ennemies with his sniper
Door can actually close and block ennemies
Ennemies are likely only telegraphed attack making it easier but punish you if you're not paying attention (likely infestation will stagger and scaldra will inflict corrosive proc)
It seems to be more focused on you using your skills than your abilities (bcz there's no more power fantasy)
It can be actually a hard gamemode which likely will be and will have

Btw 2 boss fight was hinted lmao it's insane,one thing i'm surprised is that ennemies or us doesn't have grenades ?

[brazen cloud]

"whoopsiedoo, now im here, now im not!"

[zenith jacinth]

Her time powers probably take a lot of energy to use for longer timespans

[zenith jacinth]

"And now I'm gonna cosplay as W.D. gaster!"
"What"
Scatters self across all of existence

[solemn cloud]

Also - in an interview Reb said that we play as Arthur in mission 1 (what they showed in the demo) but mission 2 has US come and take over and that's how we get to know the syndicate.

[fiery kettle]

he thought he was undertale hand guy

[scarlet basalt]

oh...You spoiled me

[fiery kettle]

noob mistake

[scarlet basalt]

Well it doesn't matter i can just bash my head into the wall

[fiery kettle]

genuis

[solemn cloud]

It's all Reb's fault 🤣

[scarlet basalt]

Rebb's shown too much
Actually can you send me the interview ?

[solemn cloud]

Yeah sure.

[scarlet basalt]

Tyy

[solemn cloud]

It's in this one:
https://youtu.be/xj7fYZfitRE?si=ezX3p2bdybouApmi

[scarlet basalt]

i'm actually so interested if we can actually go there
Imagine i help my squad by dealing with Tougher ennemies while they head on weaker one
Like IMAGINE how GOOD it could be

[brazen cloud]

finally, my time to shine as a sniper type player

[zenith jacinth]

No, mine!

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe
1999 will be better than base game... I mean it can be only possible if you head for a more strategic approach of the game

[brazen cloud]

nyo, i call dibs

[zenith jacinth]

Guess I'll have to go with shotguns then

[fiery kettle]

when will we be able to remote control a glaive

dark sector edition

[brazen cloud]

Ivara?

[scarlet basalt]

You can do it with ivara but you can't imbue with elements from environmental hazard

[brazen cloud]

fair

[scarlet basalt]

Oh... It would actually be cool if they add it to 1999

Given that most of 1999 is a literal hommage to dark sector...

[brazen cloud]

i saw a weird build earlier that makes me excited....

Sharpshooter Perigale hipfire spam

given Perigale gives +15 energy back per headshot even if channeled abilities active....

[fiery kettle]

thats the coolest thing abt dark sector glaive

the silly elements

and the mc's name being hayden tenno

[haughty rivet]

AX-52 will be from Baro in the future, right?

[near rune]

That's how TennoCon stuff (Gotva Prime, Vericres, Vastilok, etc) usually gets disbursed eventually. Though the Athodai was instead made available via Railjack.

[haughty rivet]

Talking to someone who was saying it's too important to 1999... when we have models of it laying around the Netracell rooms >_>

[near rune]

I'm sure we can come up with a reason for Baro to have it

He's seen the Man in the Wall so nothing's off limits for him

Except alternate Baros, that's been conclusively shut off for him by Wally

[nova harness]

Baro did not like the other him

He could’ve found a way to 1999 somehow and stolen one

Though it's probably more gameplay than lore

[fierce summit]

I have no evidence for this but I'd imagine it (or its parts) are going to be wares purchasable from The Hex

[wispy jasper]

The void is actually where all the lost twitch drops end up, so he can find it there

[white summit]

I went back during anger and the pattern changed

also, does this look like a texture glitch to you?

[plush swan]

So... 1999 question:

Is Drifter going to melee again, or will they just be using their Amp?

Will they use (variations on?) their Duviri/TNW abilities, or just standard Operator abilities?

[nova harness]

Well Drifter has control of something that can do all that stuff better and with less risk so uses Amp

In Duviri he doesn't have proper Void powers

So needed to learn to use them to survive

[nova harness]

Drifter uses the same abilities doubt they will change it

[fierce summit]

Looks like it might be an invisible wall with a broken shader. The shader is a procedural melt effect but one of the two textures it's supposed to render is broken, hence the fallback default dev texture.

It's actually nice that the shader fell back to a dev texture instead of just crashing your game.

[nocturne kiln]

I'm hoping amp.

I think it will probably be Amp so you can swap with your warframe

[nova harness]

It only makes sense to be amp now Drifter can use proper transference and other Void abilities while controlling a Warframe that can do the combat way better

[nocturne kiln]

I already remade my favorite Amp with a glaive as it's secondary. I'm good for both gun and blade

[nova harness]

Always good to be prepared

[plush swan]

I mean, obviously you'd also be using your Amp, which might or might not still be Sirocco.

[winged flax]

does the same change anything for the baby?

the name"

[flat magnet]

No purely flavour text

It’s like all the other choices in the game

[winged flax]

sadge

[flat magnet]

There’s no real consequence for what you choose

[winged flax]

Orion it is

[nocturne kiln]

Oh man... if the siroco is silenced, I might use it for 1999...

I need to reach a decision... do I use the prototype excaliber skin... or umbra with his sunder helmet?

[flat magnet]

Personally I’ve gotten bored of the fantasy / futuristic aesthetic of warframe and I’m leaning towards the more modern / retro feeling so I’ve been using proto skin

[nocturne kiln]

Okat, im gonna say it if noone else will...

I hate the look of those shirts

[cyan crest]

they looked good on magneto

[nocturne kiln]

You! You-

Shut

No

Absolutely not

Magneto looking good is because of magneto, not because of the shirt

It's in spite of it

Magneto looks good even wearing one of those awful shirts

It's barely even a shirt!

[solemn cloud]

Those shirts are what happens when you adjust the sleeve slider all the way to the right.

There's only like, 1% shirt remaining. Any less shirt and it would be a lobster bib.

[cyan crest]

yeah but it’s still his best look

[nocturne kiln]

No

His best look is if you take it off

Just like rhino should take it off

Or at least cut off the front part

[cyan crest]

[undone lodge]

Ew

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly!

[cyan crest]

y’all don’t know the power of the oversized sleeve hole thing smh

[nocturne kiln]

Rolled up sleaves are better

[tawdry socket]

Listen I'm not gonna pretend like I'm a DE concept artist or anything as if I could do better

But as a consumer this looks awful

[undone lodge]

I don’t think it’s that bad, but yeah

This doesn’t look great

[pliant saffron]

Oh god, I see it, dam you. Could just made him look shirtless and super sayan style it

Another style would be chad from bleach

[tawdry socket]

Did they ever show anything like Nyx Heirloom concept as well or

[pliant saffron]

Nope

Only one at a time I think

Went lookin for pics to reference. That first one might look good as an excal heirloom or something

[tawdry socket]

since Excal has Umbra I honestly doubt we'll get an Heirloom

[pliant saffron]

Would still look good for a slimmer male skin that doesn't have major protrusions

And it's their baby

Will say though... missed opportunity to not add a punching bag to that rhino heirloom bundle.

[solemn cloud]

The punching bag is your wallet.

And Rhino will destroy it.

[pliant saffron]

Also true, but it should end up being available for platinum too

[solemn cloud]

True.

Don't get me wrong - of all the ways to throw money at video gaming as a hobby, I would gladly give my entertainment budget to DE time and again. They might have seemingly steep prices but when you consider what they give for free, on top of being an exceptional studio overall - it all balances out.

But man, that initial sticker shock can really kick you in the groin without any mercy.

[pliant saffron]

With how infrequently they seem to be dropping it, I'd say it's safe to just be getting them with platinum, if they continue to stay around 400 and can get most, if not all pieces, individually.

[fiery turret]

Umbra serves as a prime replacement for most people so maybe we still get an Excalibur one

[scarlet basalt]

Infestation are the first analog horror in warframe

[fiery turret]

Someone in the internet HAS to have made one

If there is I need to find it

[brazen cloud]

gonna be trying Komorex again, apparently its quite good now with the status rework and stuff like Semi Rifle Cannonade. and with snipers possibly being great coming update it might be neato

[pliant saffron]

Hol up, where's this about snipers coming from?

[brazen cloud]

saw some people post here earlier about quincy being on buildings sniping

and lead to discussion of the support sniper role being possibly viable

[pliant saffron]

Interesting

[brazen cloud]

for the memes am thinking about building a sniper Kullervo

given his third ability functions quite well for single hit huge damage builds

[pliant saffron]

He is one of the better ones for single target weapons

[brazen cloud]

and, between you and me, i got tired of the regular old rubico prime and vectis prime

[pliant saffron]

Understandable

[solemn cloud]

Calling it now: Cyte-09 will be the new Eidolon meta.

[brazen cloud]

probs for damage dealer, may still want a volt and/or harrow

[pliant saffron]

Grinlock and veldt kinda outliers of them

Be funny if he straight up had an exalted gun

[brazen cloud]

i got a grinlok built with a riven....

[solemn cloud]

Hahaha exalted sniper.

That would be bonkers.

[brazen cloud]

i'd unironically love a veldt prime

[pliant saffron]

It's perfectly placed for an incarnon imo

[solemn cloud]

Seems like it's counterintuitive to have galvanized mods there, no? wouldn't flat boost be better than something that has to ramp up?

[brazen cloud]

probs, i mostly built it for the memes and enjoyment

may aswell run hammershot on it given part status and part crit

[pliant saffron]

Chamber I get, aptitude maybe swap to the element damage mod?

Punch and a different damage multi for your bleed and fire

[brazen cloud]

5,2 punchthrough goes hard

[pliant saffron]

That's wall clearing lol

[brazen cloud]

i really hope some of these sniping weapons get some love

and i'd love a sniper rifle that works like the skullmasher from borderlands 2, shoots in a tight cluster of buckshot

kinda like a shotgun sniper rifle

[pliant saffron]

.... narrow barrel tigris....

[brazen cloud]

nah like a sniper, not inherently a shotgun

with scope and all

[pliant saffron]

Closest we have is the parigale

[brazen cloud]

mostly got Prisma Grinlok cause its fun to occasionally play like an outlaw, gunslinging and hte like with 120k orange crits

though my Ocucor just firehosing down as i parkour through a level is far more effective with 25k viral procs nonstop

even auto aims to a degree due to the extra beams

took some investment but totes worth

[white sleet]

Quincy's gonna turn infested as in he joins their side against the hex - He is Cyte-09s proto, what does cyte sound like, parasite, or para-cyte and what are they, parasites are infestations in a body. Also Techno-CYTE Virus just makes it even more of a 'coincedence' I haven't really made a valid explanation but they all link so like is it just a coincidence or not, Arthur even said he doesn't trust Quincy, foreshadowing? What do you guys think?

[cyan crest]

all frames are infested

so

and cyte-09s name is not a coincidence

it’s the name of his batch of helminth

and helminth is technocyte

[pliant saffron]

Be kinda bung if his parts drop from infested liches

[brazen cloud]

be kinda wild now that we've been introduced to the protoframes which were just humans, and now we're talking about harvesting his parts from the liches

[pliant saffron]

They could have om nom'd

[brazen cloud]

torn in 3 pieces by the infested coda guys

and now we're harvesting the parts according to a blueprint

wild

tbh the bio for the coda guys seemed extra dark compared to usual warframe lore

may just be me

so we may be going to some darker story onwards

[obtuse gyro]

Darker than turning a pregnant woman and the father of their child into warframes?

Darker than forcing a dad who was also forcefully turned into a warframe to kill his son?

Darker than a child being sentinal against a powerful maddening being?

[nova harness]

Darker than kids killing their parents in space and then making a deal with a kind stranger?

[brazen cloud]

yeah probs but like, visibly darker, not arguably or need to read proper lore to realize how dark

[undone lodge]

You don’t need to read the lore for that though

These are all main story/quest things

[minor cave]

Im probs blind but i cant see which area i have not completed. Im trying to Get my Mastery for earth.

[nova harness]

Seems like you've done them all go to the 2 junctions after doing their tasks if you haven't already to unlock the next ones the Arbiters can also tell you which nodes you are missing

[minor cave]

ty ill give it a try. I just need to finish Neptune and the earth then ive done all of the planets.

[fallen ore]

Does the Man in the Wall not say anything when the Drifter stands by the Railjack reliquary drive? I hear the whispers and tapping but no voice?

I only seem to hear it whilst i'm using the Operator?

[nova harness]

I've heard it as both both

[rotund quartz]

Press arbi it will show unfinished nodes

If u don’t have sp

Iirc

[dire crest]

I wish the drifter had mission lines like Operator does. I only use Drifter and I’d like some sass back

[nova harness]

They would need to make new ones as some things Drifter says won't match with what Operator says

[thick jolt]

They did say they have lines written for drifter for that specific purpose so i suppose its just them finding the time to record them and implement them

[dire crest]

True. I just like the drifter better.

Also hoping for a texture update if we are making friends in 1999. My girl looks like a boiled and peeled potato with how smooth and shiny she is

[tawdry socket]

I hope Lotus Eaters gives us a chance to have Lotus meet both Operator and Drifter at the same time, maybe sat on the Zariman like in TNW or something

Like I'd like to know the day to day of like, while one of us is running circuit is the other in the Index? Do they both sleep at the same time or do shifts?

[nova harness]

If this happened bad stuff could happen

Plus they share the same void silhouette anyway

[tawdry socket]

What about the last time it happened

[nova harness]

Bad stuff was about to happen

[brazen cloud]

to be fair, i dont think back in the 1999 mall they got many products to keep themselves clean like shampoo, Excaliguy was even saying bottled water is like a treasure. so makes sense they're a bit grittier and dirty

though an update on how we look would be appreciated

[nova harness]

Arthur also called the cleaning rota useless

Arthur: "Dunno why we even bothered with that cleaning rota."

[brazen cloud]

i forgot what the cleaning rota even is

also, wouldnt be surprised if the generators are keeping the techrot moderately outside of the mall (sans the stage)

given Arthur said a few of his squad were to remain behind and keep the gens running

i'd imagine in a normal survival situation you'd power them down if not in use to save resources

[undone lodge]

A cleaning rota is just a cleaning schedule

[brazen cloud]

so either A, useless to clean given the techrot

or B, there's some lazy people there that dont clean

given the situation of 1999, former seems likely

given group cohesion and character lines? the latter seems likely

[scarlet basalt]

One crazy thing that could happends in 1999 : Pvp

[lapis kelp]

Nah, leave that for Conclave

[balmy storm]

I doubt pvp is coming, feels like something they’d tell us about

Though the same could be said for a lot of potential features

[scarlet basalt]

1999 having pvp could be... Working
Overwatch warframe

[nova harness]

The best I can offer is this

[scarlet basalt]

Overwatch warframe 😭
Quincy would be the most hated one

[ember mulch]

If there ever was going to be a pvp/conclave update to warframe, bike races (kdrives and horses too but bikes)

[scarlet basalt]

Bike races would be actually the best pvp feature in game
Sadly it was partially done with Duviri

[pliant saffron]

Be funny to see bikes do skateboard tricks on fortuna

[scarlet basalt]

BTw likely the bikes would have the same property of 1999
Meaning that it can be used as a "5th" ability bcz it can explode against ennemies

ah yes peak warframe gameplay : using a bike as terrorism

[ember mulch]

How long until we see bikeframe

Ghost rider warframe?

Even better, kamen rider warframe

[carmine portal]

I mean, we still don't have an exalted(rideable) horse yet, so...

[ember mulch]

Poor dagath

Also no necramech themed warframe either

[pliant saffron]

I kept on ranting before dagath unveiling that we were waiting for a horse girl, and yes I'm sad we still technically don't at the very least have centaur

[carmine portal]

Yeah, as of right now we only have archwings via titania, and drives via yareli(who the map design hates)

[ember mulch]

Realistically, a proper horse dagath would end up as an augument that works as well as on-release yareli

[pliant saffron]

Mech can be summond in certain missions and I don't see them going all in on that atm

[pliant saffron]

I hope

[carmine portal]

Yeah, a horse would be even more unwieldy in regular maps than merulina

[pliant saffron]

Will say though, sevagoth but Adam smasher would be fire

[ember mulch]

They either do a titania and scale the horse down, or make it a time-limited rush where you guide the horses on dagath's 4

[undone lodge]

a rudimentary Augment

[nova harness]

Was the Warframe that got spit out us?

[pliant saffron]

Heck I'm thinking power sets now....1: strength based ammo efficiency that maxes at 90% that also boost fire rate 2: summon a shield osprey that drops those bombs but is a medium strength vortex 3: that one buff in duviri that makes every 5 bullets that hit throw a fire ball but swapped to a grenade launcher 4: nechromech exalted basically with a borderlands gunzerker power set

[flat magnet]

I’m thinking it’s gonna be the transition for when we play as us for the rest of the quest

[fierce summit]

Almost certainly because right after they get spit out, there is a “This Is What You Are” sting that plays. Also the thing that got spit out is a default Excalibur, which is the usual test Warframe.

I don’t think the scene with the crossed swords will be in the quest proper, of course, since only Excals have the blade to do it with. It just made for a cool teaser shot.

[nova harness]

Helminth showing off his skills

[flat magnet]

Also Arthur said “what devils follow you entrati” whenever anyone in the game mentions devils it’s always about the Tenno

[nova harness]

Lets ride the devil down

[plush swan]

It is silent, like 2xx, 4xx, 5xx, and Mote

[nocturne kiln]

Might be time to bring it out of retirement

If not, I know the glaive is silent

[scarlet basalt]

I think the scene with two excal fighting will be included after fighting for a while him
Then you play with the other squad member and resulting to different outcomes with albretch,scaldra and infestation

[plush swan]

In the ending of TNW, Lotus gets to see Operator and Drifter alternating in the middle of a conversation, which I guess is not quite the same.

[scarlet basalt]

If there's actually the fight between Arthur and Excalibur it could imply that yes... Pvp may be possible

[flat magnet]

Or we’ll have limited loadouts like the New war but this time it’s the warframe we’ll be forced to use rather than the paracesis

[plush swan]

I'm planning to bring my usual 546

[nocturne kiln]

Just force an umbra equip. everyone has him at this point and you cant sell him

Oh, uh... spoiler for spoiler chat. Reb said in an interview that our view shifts to that of the excaliber you fight

so, uh... umbra makes sense

[flat magnet]

I wonder if they’ll answer how entrati controls Arthur’s hand

[nova harness]

DE moved Duviri again

[plush swan]

?

[nova harness]

Moved The Duviri Paradox Quest as a reward for completing Vor’s Prize to the Saturn to Uranus Junction

One step closer

[flat magnet]

I still don’t get why duviri is playable so early into the game

[nova harness]

Void paradox stuff

[flat magnet]

It introduces mechanics that is only limited to duviri and new players expect that drifter combat is going to be common place

plus I’d imagine a good majority will forget they were introduced to the drifter by the time they get to TNW

[nova harness]

I always said it should be War Within at least

[flat magnet]

Yeah because by that point we’re introduced to the operator and we could make a connection that drifter and operator might be the same person and TNW would then confirm it

[scarlet basalt]

even 1999 would be more logical to put at the start of the game now that i think about it lmao

[solemn cloud]

Reb confirmed in an interview with Legendary Drops that they have no intention to do anything PvP in the foreseeable future. He said he asked and Reb flat out said no.

[scarlet basalt]

pvp bike race tho

imagine bike racing against rusalka LMAOOOO

[rain otter]

Pvp bad.

[scarlet basalt]

itwould actually be a fun mechanic to bike race against your 1999 lich or whatever scaldra do

[plush swan]

What about... space flight simulator PVP arenas? :3

[rain otter]

Also no.

Pvp in mmo bad

[ember mulch]

The real pvp in warframe was the fashion we accumulated along the way

[scarlet basalt]

So now, warframe need to have the RTS tag if they really want to have every tag from gaming

[plush swan]

I found the casual arena PVP (flight sim and ground) in SWTOR pretty fun, actually, even though I was mostly a PVE player.

The trick is that it should be an optional alternate progression path, not something required for anything other than itself

[ember mulch]

kahl tower defence

[nova harness]

We should let Conclave content stay conclave only content

And let it rot

[ember mulch]

Its kinda sad that the cosmetics you can get from there tho look really good

[scarlet basalt]

the fact that Stalker's VA like Conclave make me think that he would absolutely destroy everyone in main game if Stalker mode is released for him

[ember mulch]

The conclave sigils work as really cool energy concentrations/cores on frames

[nova harness]

Warframe: you can get everything for free
Conclave: nuh uh

[scarlet basalt]

Well conclave you can get it for free
But with pain

[nova harness]

My time isn't free

[ember mulch]

Only conclave i'd want to play is lunaro

Lunaro is actually kinda ok

But nobody plays lunaro

[scarlet basalt]

Weird that Zariman/Duviri has Lunaro but you can't play it lmao

[nova harness]

Nobody plays Conclave

[scarlet basalt]

I mean, duviri it would be a weird fun activity to have thrax ennemies literally annihilating you on a lunaro game

[ember mulch]

Lol im imagining that one basketball dunking image but its with the drifter dunking on the thrax dax

[scarlet basalt]

Plus, on duviri it wouldn't be main objective, it would only be side objective like the 3 undercroft portal

[ember mulch]

Ngl lunaro can actually be fun (clearly biased here, conclave is never good)

But both
A: nobody does conclave
and
B: nobody should do conclave

(excluding the like 5 people who sweat conclave pvp)

[frail meadow]

Why are we talking Lunaro in the spoiler chat? Are the Lotus Eaters the Void Lunaro Team?

[hushed vine]

question
how Jade see if her face is covered 99% of the time?

[nova harness]

With her eyes

She isn't blind

[hushed vine]

......
BUT HER EYES ARE COVERED

[nova harness]

She has Neuroptics

[frail meadow]

Does any frame have actual eyes?

[hushed vine]

.... huh

[nova harness]

Yes

All frames can see

In the construction of Waframes, most often than not they require neural sensors to craft the neuroptics.

Plus Warframes are controlled by a Tenno

[ember mulch]

Warframes having 'proper' eyes would be a big weak point anyways

Case study 1: Volt Pulse helmet

Also if we take into account umbra's alt helmet

The actual eyes of the warframe-ised person is behind the helmet mask, covered by the steel-skin that the infested strain has forced upon their body structure

Actually that implies

Warframes have teeth and noses

[nova harness]

You can see the sensors on some if not all Warframes

[zenith jacinth]

They are just extremely mutated people

[ember mulch]

Would the warframes be constantly starving

[nova harness]

Helminth Milk

So no

[ember mulch]

eh

[zenith jacinth]

The helminth sustains them

[nova harness]

Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)

HELMINTH

[ember mulch]

Imagine we see the helminth energy milk in 1999 ew

[nova harness]

We see Helminth spit us out in the demo

[ember mulch]

give the helminth milk to the protos???

[nova harness]

Why? they can eat and drink regular stuff

[ember mulch]

But it would theoretically help the protos still

Absolutely not necessary

[nova harness]

It would probably fully frame them

[ember mulch]

a high price for power

i mean what are the protos eating anyways, leftover mall rations assumedly?

helminth juice can't be that bad surely (actually with the stabbing yeah probably its worse)

[scarlet basalt]

Yk what it would be wild :
Emissive = warframes eyes
So like every little dots that seems to do light is literal eyes

[ember mulch]

lets just stick googly eyes onto the frames as an auxiliary and call it a day

[scarlet basalt]

It wouldn't be far fetched if it was the case, the infestation would love to have multiple little eyes to be sure about anything around them

[solemn cloud]

Honestly even from just a practical standpoint it makes sense that a "Warframe" would be best optimized for survival - with multiple sets of sensor nodes all over the body, feeding neural information to the brain - giving a Warframe 360 degrees of vision.

They appear to have bipedal forms - but they aren't human and sometimes we might get stuck thinking in human terms to define something inhuman.

[balmy storm]

What damage types do you think will be good against Scaldra and the Techrot specific Infested?

I’m thinking puncture or slash on Scaldra cause they got all those bags on em and seem to represent weak-points gameplay-wise?

[undone lodge]

Maybe radiation for Techrot?

It can be horrible for tech after all

But we also did just have a whole thing with Radiation with the Murmur, so maybe not

[nocturne kiln]

Radiation was just used for the murmur

[wispy jasper]

I’ll say blast/electric for techrot. Sonar disruption + circuit damage

I think the idea with the human characters is they’re using some kind of chemical stimulant to fight off infection?

[nocturne kiln]

Sonar disruption: "Our instrument are jammed. Thiers will not shut up."

[nocturne kiln]

Constant chemo therapy to fight a cancer

[wispy jasper]

So I guess I’ll say cold/puncture sounds like something you could do for scaldra since those are elements they still haven’t convinced us to go out of our way to use

[nocturne kiln]

The Ax-52 was also pure puncture damage

Might make sense

Also, calling it now: the infested set the city on fire

"Turning the city to 11; it's 2,000 degrees"

[wispy jasper]

I imagine they don’t have shields though, so maybe they’ll want to use something else since that was the justification for switching puncture to corpus

[nocturne kiln]

OR we set the city on fire to combat the infestation

[prime lantern]

I want to see another instance of a cascade bomb

What it does why it does and how it does

Cause a bomb that just kills infested and does nothing else seems a little odd

Or does it just kill all organic life

[balmy storm]

Is the infested wholly organic?

[prime lantern]

Other than Mutalist and now the coda they should be

[keen jackal]

does ANYONE have any good male drifter face combinations? i can't make him look like anything other than a bag of raisins, and i dont wanna make him female or hide his face (you know, for consistency reasons) (also sorry if this is the wrong chat for that)

[zenith jacinth]

Best you can get is pedro pascal drifter

[obtuse gyro]

Theres a codex entry saying "techno-organic" iirc, but Im not at a liberty to find it

[scarlet basalt]

I feel like they will change puncture to give more damage to weakpoint which is also the only damage done by AX-52
Scaldra being armored ennemies and techrot being just health

[balmy storm]

Eris Fragmnet “the techno-organic parasite known as the "Infestation".”

Also this
“The Infestation spreads across the Origin System – a techno-organic parasite that attaches itself to natural and synthetic forms, slowly digesting the host subject and transforming it on a molecular level. Organic materials morph into new homogeneous organisms while harder, inorganic materials, like metals, will change structurally into a pseudo-organic substance that holds the characteristics of its previous forms.”

Didnt know we had the exact details of how the infested work lmao

[scarlet basalt]

Major neci Rusalka : " A slug dare to show its face at night ? Didn't the bastard Doktor warn you ? I've an order : Kill on sight"
It's weird but Doktor is who ? Albretch or someone else, it's weird that it's not Doctor but doktor ? I mean, Albretch actually lead Arthur to him deep in the tech rot, which is unknown why he go there (likely vessel project on bigger scale with techrot ?) with his dracula-esque TP
Aoi in WITW section : "Find that Dr.entrati bastard on day one. Then i wouldn't be alone on New year's Eve"

[balmy storm]

Albrecht or Friday

Depends on if Albrecht worked with Scaldra, which he may have

It’d make sense to work with the government or whoever Scaldra is exactly to combat the infestation

[scarlet basalt]

And even weirder : If Arthur is still linked to our Strand of khra, wouldn't it be worse to kill Arthur (well every hex member), like Dr.entrati would fear that it could actually disrupt the vessel project i think ?

[nova harness]

Doktor m (mixed or strong, genitive Doktors, plural Doktoren or (colloquial) Doktor or (archaic) Doktores, feminine Doktorin)
(academia) doctor
(medicine, informal) doctor, physician
Usage notes
The normal plural is Doktoren. The unchanged form Doktor is colloquial and used only with the pronunciation in [-ɐ]. The form Doktores is archaic.
The German word is understood to mean “medical doctor” if the context hints at that, e.g. Du musst mal zum Doktor gehen. (“You have to see a doctor.”) Unlike in English, however, this is not the case if the context is more general: Mein Vater ist Doktor. (“My father has a PhD/doctorate”).

[scarlet basalt]

Oh so it's just in german

Maybe HOllvania is in germany idk

[balmy storm]

Would it though?

I mean the vessels clearly have some connection to their proto-counterparts

It depends what the vessels are for, other than essentially big warframes

[scarlet basalt]

maybe checking the palimpset of spacetimes lmao

[brazen cloud]

Höllvania definitely sounds eastern european

[balmy storm]

They do have cobble streets iirc, and afaik those aren’t prevalent in America

[nova harness]

Where on earth is the mall located if you look at it on the map?

[scarlet basalt]

in the sea

[wispy jasper]

Albrecht himself seems to have a Germanic linguistic background, so might be more a reflection of him if it’s an embodied timeline

[scarlet basalt]

Like Palimpset of principle =
"What is the core thesis of 'The Palimpsest of Spacetime'?
A: Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist"

So the only way to know is to just do it which albretch and us are the only one that can do it

[balmy storm]

We can do it, we just need to rewrite what’s happening in 1999

[flat magnet]

Eastern Europe not the sea

[balmy storm]

It depends on the event

[scarlet basalt]

yep, to not be late this time

[scarlet basalt]

on the map it's on europe ? I thought it was literally in the sea lmao

[balmy storm]

Idk if that’s it entirely, but being on time to stop Wally or whatever’s going on is def gonna be useful

Albrecht being there has already rewritten history btw, the protos didnt exist until Albrecht went back

[scarlet basalt]

Because that thing got to him, followed him even in 1999
We will sometime see him on 1999 mission i feel like
But the "original will still persist" make me think that we will still be late ?

[flat magnet]

No lol the nodes on the earth cover Europe Africa and partially Asia

[balmy storm]

We still don’t know what “got to him” implies

Is he taking Albrecht’s body and identity?
Is he controlling him?

[scarlet basalt]

yeah, i always thought that it was control but kallymos doesn't seems to be... terrified ?

Like idk, you're the loyal cat, ofc if your master is weird you will notice 😭

[prime lantern]

Well that makes it even worse to answer as to why unless the cop out answer of is it only attacks infested cells because space magic or something

Which I think is dumb

[obtuse gyro]

Perhaps is the techno-part that IDs the infested tissue?

[flat magnet]

The fact that 3/6 members of the hex are British (or Jamaican British) you could argue That Höllvania could be British but the name and the very Eastern European vibes major Rusalka gives off shuts that down

[scarlet basalt]

I'm actually thinking that Albretch burrow power from wally itself
And that it is why we see him being weird in witw section

[prime lantern]

A little complicated for a bomb don't you think

Making bombs discriminate is rather hard

For the cascade bomb to be able to selectively choose what it's hitting the "payload" couldn't be a form of energy

[scarlet basalt]

The bomb that discriminate

[flat magnet]

There’s also that scene where wally and albrecht Wally are together at the end of WiTW

[scarlet basalt]

One thing i thought is that it means that it's the doppelganger (bcz no kallymos) and not wally itself being two dudes
But one thing that is weird then is that
Our doppelganger was also there ? which is why he would be the ONLY one to tear lotus leaf one by one bcz it's literally us (well Lotus met wally tho)
Like they felt always like messenger from wally idk

[flat magnet]

So either there’s two forms existing simultaneously now or he has possessed albrecht but still using our body as one of his forms

[flat magnet]

Yeah it’s weird

But also albrecht disappearing in the gameplay demo with kalymos doesn’t make sense

[scarlet basalt]

Our doppelganger + wally was literally seen at the end of TNW, like does it means that doppelganger always ally with Wally
As Quinn said "Void construct need some light" maybe it was their first light ?

The whole doppelganger thing is just weird 😭 please DE make it clear once and for all

[balmy storm]

Our doppelgänger is Wally wdym

[scarlet basalt]

The only problem i have with that is that wally is actually a sole being shown at the end of TNW with our doppelganger on top
Like, why it wouldn't just be wally ?
Why there is the laugh of our doppelganger and speech of wally at the same time, i just find it strange
DE should clear that out with one line at least ngl

[balmy storm]

Wally can be in multiple places at once, he has no defined form

The wall is just one form he chose to take because he was called “the man in the wall”

All of the murmur is Wally, he can be in multiple physical spaces at once

Our doppleganger is definitively him

That’s been something that’s been cleared up since chains of harrow

[flat magnet]

It’s a form that he took from albrecht’s memories right seeing as though albrechts a scientist and he would know the vitruvian man

[balmy storm]

Yes and because Albrecht calls him that name, all Wally does is take pre-existing ideas and concepts and uses them to make things
Such as his forms

[scarlet basalt]

So like at the end of WITW, man was just talking to himself 😭 ? bcz like i doubt this is the true albretch since it's known that he has a doppelganger like us

[balmy storm]

Yes, he was sitting on himself and laughing at us

Oh you meant whispers

Yes also there, thats both him

[flat magnet]

Man really wanted someone to finish his sentences with

[balmy storm]

He has no defined true body, he can be in multiple places at once

[scarlet basalt]

MAn wanted to not be alone so he became his own hivemind

[flat magnet]

I wonder whose memories he saw that in to want to imitate it lmao

[balmy storm]

Except he is alone and it isn’t a hivemind

Multiple bodies and one singular mind, not many minds as one through many bodies

[scarlet basalt]

Also, something from another subject but :
Quinn: "Perhaps… yes. Blame lingers… but so does duty. And who is to say that is not why we were recreated? The Indifference has awoken, and all of the Void's creations must find a light. Even ones we thought lost… in another time. Let eternity be our horizon. Until then: we shall Hold Fast."
Was it about Duviri ?

[balmy storm]

He was talking about the holdfasts

[scarlet basalt]

It's more about the "Even ones we thought lost" Like there's more void's creation i guess ?

[balmy storm]

I mean, everything ever conceptually embodied

[scarlet basalt]

it would be even more strange if it's about xaku's bodypart lmao I mean it's just HC but well, they're the one talking about lost things

[balmy storm]

But Xaku isn’t a conceptually embodied nor void being

They have mastery over it, yes
But that’s to retain their composited form and utilize their abilities

[scarlet basalt]

yeah, i find it weird what quinn said, it imply that our journey in the void we will find people somehow
Maybe more on the true lost island of duviri

[balmy storm]

Most lost islands were dissolved by the void so maybe but eeh

I’m holding out hope that we could eventually “cure” void angels

[scarlet basalt]

I think it's unknown about some of their fate

[balmy storm]

Potentially could start with Wally pitting our parents against us and us “curing” them

[balmy storm]

Iirc they are stated to dissolve into the void once cast out

[zenith jacinth]

Channel still suddenly becomes way more active when I'm not around to keep up with it...

[scarlet basalt]

yeahh i really need to find a source on the dissolving things

[balmy storm]

Lorn being one of the only exceptions because the people cast it out, not thrax
So its just vibing somewhere

[zenith jacinth]

I missed a whole topic it seems

[balmy storm]

Use the orokin archives, great source for everything

[balmy storm]

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh one thing i would like they would explore more is the line about acrithis :

the Void is an ocean, it is said, and monsters dwell in its depths.
Please DE give us more monstrous eldritch monster, like yk, tuvul using a grimoire lmao

[zenith jacinth]

Didn't see anyone mention that hölle is the german word for hell though so I'm just gonna throw that out there

[balmy storm]

LMAO IT IS???

[nova harness]

Hellivania lol

[balmy storm]

HELLVANIA LMAO

[zenith jacinth]

As a german, I can very safely say that it is

[balmy storm]

I love hellvania

[scarlet basalt]

YESS we're in HELL !! Finally DE , ballas was right, we were put right back to hell

[nova harness]

Hellivania in Germany confirmed?