spoiler-chat

[brazen cloud]

Quincy did give me some vibes of him maybe going off to form his own faction

could theoretically lead to a secondary set of protoframes being introduced later, with Ember, Frost, Loki, Saryn and Banshee for example

[fiery kettle]

maybe they find some guy who can cultivate the helminth strain and make frames of their own

since albrecht is busy acting like a mysterious edgy side character

[brazen cloud]

for some reason i consider any frame post 2013 newer

so Oberon would be the cutoff

[scarlet basalt]

1999 imply that infestation is just someone who want to party

[brazen cloud]

i see it the other way

the infestation infested the 5 boyband members, and absorbed the information they had in their brains to teach itself how to expand its own influence in any way shape or form possible

and back then, boybands were quite the rage i'd imagine, so fan meetups turned into mass infection events?

just spitballing, but that sounds plausible to me

[thick jolt]

I mean we have seen how insidious the infestation can be so its pretty plausible

[brazen cloud]

i'd like to think of it as pure instinct with goal of assimilating as much matter as possible

and that instinct drives the hive mind into any possible thing that would enhance the spread even faster/further

[solemn cloud]

It occured to me, but we've only ever seen the weaponized version of the infestation until now - we've seen what mad Science made of it - never really seeing it in its true form - and I think the Technocyte is going to be the closest we get.

[brazen cloud]

ìdk, wasnt it that the technocyte has been brought over to that version of 1999 by Albrecht himself?

[solemn cloud]

Perhaps - but that's assuming we think he's guilty of everything.

There could be other players on the board.

[brazen cloud]

there's a possibility of two distinct albrechts, perhaps more

one the real albrecht, the other is the man in the wall

alternatively, Albrechts from different existances

multiverse theory sucks, eternalism too

[solemn cloud]

Heck - we don't even know when the infestation even started - truly. We know Ballas said they cultured it, but for all we know it was lab grown by some shady corporation in 1999.

[brazen cloud]

cultured and lab grown are one and the same

but its possible

[solemn cloud]

No. They aren't. Lab grown - I mean actually created. Cultured is like, helping it along but not making it exist.

[brazen cloud]

the 1999 version being the original technocyte, and the versions in the future like the grey strain and the mutalist strains have been synthesized from those

also a possibility

or the other way around, the Technocyte being born in our reality, and either Albrecht, the Man in the Wall, or a third faction brought it back to the 1999 reality

and if we REALLY get out there, we could theorize that the true infested hivemind exists outside of time and space and can spawn anywhere out of nowhere

thus the 1999 coda boyband being linked mindwise to our reality

[pliant saffron]

This is going into dead space lore a bit too much for this to sound good at all

[brazen cloud]

i mean

[errant nimbus]

The man in the mall

[brazen cloud]

the infestation is quite akin to dead space aliens based on the bio's of the 5 bandmembers alone

[brazen cloud]

[pliant saffron]

Yea... mind control wub wub is not a good direction for the system at large

[brazen cloud]

fun fact, we got a snack wall in the netherlands in a snackbar called FEBO, its like a big deep fried snack machine, put coin in, press button of the slot, get snack out. the man behind it is usually called the man in the wall (in dutch). what if the void words are just Void based snack names? i'd love to have a delicious bite of XATA

[pliant saffron]

Irony because we are most likely the snacks

[molten steppe]

do you know why he chose fortuna as a place to create a reality gap everything is simple the hotter the more energy the sunrise creates, causing chaos that raises the temperature for the sake of opening up another reality

[balmy storm]

We know 1999 is the plague year, that when Albrecht got there it was already infested
We don’t know how

[brazen cloud]

hope the update will get into how it happened

[balmy storm]

Agreed!
I want bits and pieces on how the infestation came to be

[plush swan]

Why do I keep thinking "On-Lyme" when I see "On-Lyne"?

[thick jolt]

I think your brain is telling you to get lime juice

[balmy storm]

The infestation is a little silly

[thick jolt]

Yknow it just might be over
The infested found out about internet

[balmy storm]

If the infestation starts using “XD” and “UwU” we know we’re cooked

[plush swan]

Infested strains: Gotta Catch 'em All!

[plush swan]

Is that something you get from Ticker over in Fortuna? :V

[thick jolt]

I dont think she has fruits but you can try lol

She surely is the type to share if she had it

[rain otter]

ojama lime

[valid jolt]

Lmao

[brazen cloud]

someone needs to photoshop this imagine to where they're ontop of a lime

[covert tree]

Tell me from a distance they don't look more like video game characters than any warframe character ever what do they use to look so good

[fierce summit]

Pastel colors

[wispy jasper]

They don’t have to use models that are rigged for any animation I suppose also

[fierce summit]

Like, the actual models are the same as any other WF model, it’s just that there’s no grunge or grit or weirdness and the colors are vibrant instead of weathered. They look like normal dudes.

[wispy jasper]

Not having to see what they look like in motion means you can just pick the absolute best way to stage them is main thing.

Though I will say the protoframes are also a big step up as human models go so they’ve been doing some work anyways

[brazen cloud]

i hope the protoframe looks will also eventually translate into better operator looks

[tawdry socket]

Am I the only one happy with how my op/drifter looks

[brazen cloud]

i mean, yeah im happy with how my operator looks

but hair, facial detail and the like looks quite a lot better on the protoframes

[undone lodge]

I used to be happy but I’m pretty sure they changed how hair works at one point and now mine just has regular black hair

[tawdry socket]

Ayo?

Where's the language translation thing I wanna find out about these two

[balmy storm]

Same

[nocturne kiln]

I need a quick fact check

I heard we'll get to use deluxe skins with the Gemini skins. Is that true?

[nocturne kiln]

First poster "Caliber chiks" at the top

Yup. Just says caliber chiks and caliber chiks 2

[undone lodge]

@balmy storm

[wispy jasper]

I think you access it from the emote wheel to equip in mission or something like that?

[brazen cloud]

i still like my operator, but cant deny new protoframe hair looks better

[fading current]

That’s a really cool looking operator

[nocturne kiln]

No like... let's say you had the Electrolyst skin for volt. Could you use that on Amir? Tennogen skins? Or are we only allowed to customize the colors?

[nocturne kiln]

Wait, we got new hair?

[rain otter]

they are also amirs messager PFP.

so you are good company.

[strange trail]

Protoframe hair? When was that added?

[scarlet basalt]

I always felt liek there's albretch, his doppelgagner and mitw
MITW being an entity that is from the void
The doppelganger seen in the end of WITW
Albretch seen in 1999 with kallymos

[brazen cloud]

thanky i like the ear cosmetic the most. makes me kinda look like a megaman cyber elf imo

[nocturne kiln]

MITW is both of them

[scarlet basalt]

One thing that i've noted is that DOppelganger always take the side of Wally
If i think of it clearly they feel like envoy or messenger
At the end of the new war we see Wally and our doppelganger sitting on top of him
It feels like doppelganger are always connected to wally

[nocturne kiln]

Your doppleganger, Albrecht's alternate, the giant statue.... all the same

[scarlet basalt]

Look like every doppelganger is somehow created to be linked with wally ngl
Maybe this is why wally only speak in murmur but doppelganger speak with our language
The murmur also only talk in murmur

[brazen cloud]

i see it akin to how Darkseid is in the DC comics, we know Darkseid's avatar as the omegabeam golem guy (thats doppelganger) whereas true darkseid is in his own realm, borderline omnipotent (the wall)

[nocturne kiln]

Wally mirrors us in an attempt to understand. Its the most common form of trying to understand someone

[brazen cloud]

just referring to the hair on the protoframes

[brazen cloud]

what i took from the lore is that the MITW learns from whoever is in the void, and theres theories floating round that Albrecht with his first voyage gave rise to the MITW itself due to his scientist mind raising the intelligence of the being itself drastically

[scarlet basalt]

It feels like this
I do want to know if MITW also made also the girl that steal vitoplast. She is said to be the childhood fear of yonta

[graceful zodiac]

No, she's just a CE like the rest of the Holdfasts

[tawdry socket]

Consistent exposure to Void energy via the Finger Drive spawned her

[nocturne kiln]

You need to think of Wally more akin to an eldrich horror than a humna. it can have multiple manifestations. different bodies. different personalities... its more than a single entity can be described as

[scarlet basalt]

the witness

[tawdry socket]

Think of wally as a guy in a room with 100 security camera screens and each one is hooked up to a remote control drone

[scarlet basalt]

I would fear the day the zariman drawing will come to life
Where he will escape the wall and be free

[nocturne kiln]

Well, lets not let that happen then

[nocturne kiln]

Pretty happy with mine as well.

[scarlet basalt]

To think that if he escape the wall he would just be called "the man"

[tawdry socket]

boo

[prime lantern]

Your final shape, try and load into the servers

But I'd say wally is more like the nine than anyone else

Maybe even an ahamkara given the desperation to actually exist from both of them

[fading current]

YO THIS LOOKS SICK!!!!!!

[scarlet basalt]

imagien if he escape the wall and is called "The man" , "The difference" , "The eye with lid","The one" , "That which bear a name", "Bone"

[prime lantern]

That'd be interesting

That which bears a name and that name is John

[scarlet basalt]

The dude

[valid jolt]

We’re showing dripters huh

[nocturne kiln]

What, its the spoiler chat. im not doing anything wrong

[valid jolt]

Lol

[brazen cloud]

we're confusing the wallboi with the concept of drip

[brazen cloud]

totally not gonna steal that look or anything.....

yoinkers

[tawdry socket]

Repala syndana clears

[brazen cloud]

Repala was best syandana for a looooong time

still use it for my knight lookin Vauban and Nidus

[tawdry socket]

Repala is still great because it's simply just "a cape"

No bells or whistles or weird colour schemes or gimmicks

[brazen cloud]

i mean, alot of the older Syandanas are just capes, though with the weird W form

Repala first that didnt have that iirc

[tawdry socket]

Most syndanas before Repala came along were glorified cables

Not including Valkyr's actual cable syndana

[brazen cloud]

i mean this type

had to google, not at pc atm

[tawdry socket]

Oh those ya

[brazen cloud]

i mean, yeah they capes, but they always felt weird

though used them on my Ember prime zorencoptering through levels with 4 activated all the while

my age is showing with terms like zorencoptering

[tawdry socket]

Coptering, my god

Throwback

[brazen cloud]

Orokin Derelict Defense best exp grind till dark sectors popped up, just a group of 4 people shooting Ogris (which used rifle ammo back then) at the defense target for rounds upon rounds

no ranged infested too back then so you could stand on the pillars to not be hit either

[tawdry socket]

Oh yeah babes

Based*

[brazen cloud]

i remember going mindblown when Oberon release happened, i instantly farmed for and just spammed 4, picking enemies up and then slamming them down was all the neuron activation i needed

couldve never imagined where game got to today, with highly nuanced playstyles, frames, detailed story etc

[rain otter]

Was Oberon good on release?

[tawdry socket]

And one day, maybe soon, we'll see Oberon floor-slam level cap enemies

[brazen cloud]

Ember Prime and Oberon for reference are still my most played frames on my account, despite having played neither for years now

[rain otter]

Is this a memory hole thing?

[tawdry socket]

I wasn't there for his release I don't think so I can't say, but his rework was very welcome at the time well before his Prime (another rework tho pls)

[brazen cloud]

game used to be a lot slower paced, back then he was quite solid

[rain otter]

You can say the game used to be bad it's okay./joke

[brazen cloud]

his field of rad plants that he does now? used to just be a strip the size of about 2 to 4 corpus supply lockers

back then spammed them down on a strip of ground enemies took to defense targets to deal damage like stairways

[tawdry socket]

I remember the grass patch

[brazen cloud]

it wasnt even grass iirc, was just swirly energy in the form of a rectangle

[tawdry socket]

Oh yeah that's true it was only implied grass

We got grass vfx in the rework which was the most important thing

[brazen cloud]

i also remember the fun that was Tonkor jumping

[tawdry socket]

Remember Maiming Strike

[brazen cloud]

literal pogo by bouncing a tonkor shot underneath you, causing you to go up and enemies below and around you to explode

[brazen cloud]

i remember that meta though i didnt partake, didnt people use the Corpus whip, lecta for that?

[tawdry socket]

Atterax was the main boy since it had like 5% cc but 3x cd at base

[rain otter]

Fun*

[tawdry socket]

Atterax is STILL my most used melee (I swap around a lot now)

[rain otter]

What's funny is that was changed mostly cuz it wasn't fun.

You can still do it now if you want. Just like I don't wanna.

[brazen cloud]

Memeing strike builds were too strong at the time

[rain otter]

Like the incarnon slide attack that is dual something is good for it.

[smoky schooner]

I kinda prefer the older Corpus map tiles; less extravagant, clean edges. Especially on Jupiter with a lot less bottomless pit rooms than now.

[rain otter]

Also reminder guns only got good like recently.

[rain otter]

I don't I hated it.

[tawdry socket]

You can but it's objectively not good to do lol also yeah I don't have fond memories of it but it was in fact a meta

[rain otter]

I feel like too many people like old thing just cuz of nostalgia. Like you might remember the good times of you being younger and it was better time in your life and then those memories get infused with that happiness even if the game was worse.

[brazen cloud]

but tbh, people will always play that which is strong or find broken builds. Nira's whip for example with a heavy attack build on Mirage

[tawdry socket]

Remember Synoid Simulor + Mirage frying consoles

[rain otter]

That's funny.

[rain otter]

But like also idk If it's broken or just average power level now.

[brazen cloud]

i luckily never experienced it, though heard horror stories

[rain otter]

Like if everything is op they are average.

[brazen cloud]

nonstop red crits, surviving solo in a hallway on a 3h survival

[rain otter]

But people also hate the term average Like we use mid as a insult when most things would be mid.

[rain otter]

Yeah a lot can do that. But also don't go 3 hours for why?

You don't get extra rewards for going that long.

[smoky schooner]

So, different topic, how'd the infested get an entire stadium from out of time into space anyhow, per the infested lich reveal?

[rain otter]

Infested parts of earth and just Infested parts of things just drift around space.

[brazen cloud]

they wanted to tour in space but there were no venues in space, so they built their own

[potent vine]

There’s a new stalker codex? Is that about Sorren aka Protector Stalker?

[brazen cloud]

didnt have much better things to do. i liked it

[rain otter]

Sure. But also there's a jade thing with a bunch if her stories beside Teshin in the Relays

[smoky schooner]

The infested built what would be considered a retro stadium with band decoration, in space?

[valid jolt]

Don’t think we know yet. But I would imagine time shenanigans

[rain otter]

No? I just think the infestation can move.

[rain otter]

Nah.

I just think the explanation will be it floated off.

[potent vine]

Not the first time a big infested structure is out there like Jordas Golem for example

[tawdry socket]

Space is huge, like HUGE, it probably got ejected into the middle of nowhere a very long time ago and lay dormant until timey wimey stuff means it's been awakened

[rain otter]

Like literally that's how plague star happens. Eris Spits a big ball of Infested to earth.

[valid jolt]

We’re talking about the Stadium right? That doesn’t exist in the Operators Universe

[rain otter]

Yes it could.

[brazen cloud]

during the memestrike meta i had my own thing going on, tended to play Trinity to heal party whilst hosing enemies with Phage. whereas Exterminates and Survivals were just done with Ember P

[tawdry socket]

Wait, rewind
What do you mean "Operators Universe"

[smoky schooner]

Yea but Jordas is made of rather then-modern style and materials, as opposed to a ???s old stadium displaced.

[tawdry socket]

Hey out of all that, at least Phage is still great

[valid jolt]

Ehh I disagree. If 1999 was really long ago, I’m pretty sure any such structure would be eroded by now. Thats why you don’t see cities or skyscrapers on Earth

[brazen cloud]

all a massive infestation has to do is launch a stadium into orbit, it travels on its own because nothing stopping the momentum.

and seeing how big Jordas got? i get it

[smoky schooner]

Question then, how can the infested launch out of gravity? Much less a 20th century structure?

[rain otter]

It can that's what plague star is.

[brazen cloud]

im hoping for Phage to get a Coda version with updated stats and an added gimmick

[rain otter]

@smoky schooner also we will probably have Infested ships in The Infested RJ.

[tawdry socket]

Oh I beggggg that would be peak, but fr Blast Phage still kinda cooks

[brazen cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickpushit-bikinibottom-weshouldtakebikinibottomandpushitsomewhereelse-patrick-spongebob-gif-18165095

basically

[valid jolt]

Our Tennos Universe/timeline. Still don’t know what 1999 really is

[smoky schooner]

Thought plague star was something that fell from the sky rather than pushing up to space.

[valid jolt]

I personally don’t believe a random stadium came from the Origin System. There’s for sure some weird things happening that’s leaking in 1999 stuff into the Origin System

[brazen cloud]

i recently rebuilt an Ocucor using the Ocucor augment and it cooks hard, easely shreds the archon missions

+240% status and crit chance? dont mind if i do

[smoky schooner]

Or maybe the answer is more of that conceptual embodiment stuff perhaps implying the Tenno timeline to be pretend. Kinda like what was tried to happen in whatever episode of DS9 where Sisko woke up in the 1900s where he was a writer and the events of the series were just fiction he'd written.

[valid jolt]

Oh yea I could see CE being a possible explanation too

But so far I’m betting somethings causing 1999 to leak into the Origin System

[brazen cloud]

i also wouldnt be against the Technocyte Coda boyband members minds recalling what a stadium looks like and works like, and the infestation rebuilt it to spread their biomass further

[tame ridge]

I'm trying to log in to save cross platform but the site says I'm already logged in but that's not true

[brazen cloud]

we know the Technocyte is intelligent given tennocon showed us that the music is apparently damaging to railjacks

[fiery kettle]

a hell na infested soundwaves

[brazen cloud]

i am wondering if this means a proper infested faction in the railjack section of the game

would mean new infested units have to be made up

[valid jolt]

Yea I hope

About time we have Infestation space wars

[brazen cloud]

for main ship they could use a infested grineer or corpus ship/spacestation

for fighters and crewships i am wondering however

i know the boarding thing can be easy, just a probe that attached to your ship carrying spores

[smoky schooner]

Wouldn't have thought something built by the infested would be not made entirely of biomass but what do we know yet.

[valid jolt]

Could just be Infested that can fly through space

Basically aliens

[brazen cloud]

the new infested units seem to be partially made out of computers

[tawdry socket]

Jordas

[brazen cloud]

i mean, suddenly an ancient healer the size of a railjack?

[brazen cloud]

Jordas huge, though idk if we can get away with multiple of him.

[smoky schooner]

Well that comes from assimilating electronics, not unlike Moas and Ospreys.

[nova harness]

DE should've allowed us to get in the motorbike and just rev it

[brazen cloud]

what if assimilating electronics and then fusing into a mass to build the stadium?

[brazen cloud]

new frame should just be a motorbike

[tawdry socket]

Also the corpus at least have giant ospreys as Archwing units, totally can see infested Archwing ospreys using the Mutualist models

[smoky schooner]

New frame that transforms into a bike ala Kamen Rider Accel?

[brazen cloud]

yus, though i fear speedy frame with little side to side may impede on Gauss a bit too much. but never fear, i have an idea

Exalted melee weapon being the tires in hands, working a bit like Ripkas. quick spinning tires cause burn marks and shreds

[smoky schooner]

Now I'm picturing a bike wheel syandana for Gauss to cosplay as Accel.

[valid jolt]

Fighters would make more sense lol. As for crewships, I have no idea

[tawdry socket]

Disgusting amalgams of corpus/Grineer crewships mixed with those Deimos ballsack things

[smoky schooner]

Oh, right, and DE needs to update the new Corpus ship tiles with infested gunk so they can start being used when the map enemy is infested.

[brazen cloud]

those deimos sack things CAN work, though we tend to be able to control enemy crewships, and i dont want to imagine controlling that thing

[tawdry socket]

Eris facelift using the Deadlock Protocol as a baseline

[brazen cloud]

slingshotting into the stadium is cool though, dont think ive ever really used the railjack slingshot

[tawdry socket]

Piloting an infested crewship by controlling the releases of pheromones and neural signals is interesting to say the least

I didn't realise the slingshot was all the way in the back until super recently, they didn't do a good job of explaining that imo

[brazen cloud]

railjacks also used to be larger inside used to confuse me bigtime

[tawdry socket]

They shrank?

[brazen cloud]

iirc yes

[smoky schooner]

That brings me to the topic of questions about RJ design. Like how there should be a proper way to on-foot access the slingshot deck instead of running up that central support and then jumping off. And getting back down from there is just jump from the slingshot deck to the main deck, which for regular humans seems risky.

[tawdry socket]

I know Cy's VA is trans but I thought your assets were meant to grow, not shrink

[smoky schooner]

And what purpose would the weak flesh of regular humans have for the Slingshot?

[valid jolt]

I just use the fast travel. Way easier lol

[smoky schooner]

Since the RJs were originally Old War tech crewed by not-Warframes most of the time I figure.

[tawdry socket]

Well as evidenced by Sevagoth, Warframes did in fact use RJs so that's who the slingshot was for is my guess

[smoky schooner]

I guess my questions belong more in the lore channel than spoilers, but these are still likely valid questions.

[brazen cloud]

shooting non human things at enemies? like infested, explosive cans, or memes

[smoky schooner]

Speaking of, I presume the Arthur's possessed hand scene from the con demo should be a meme.

[brazen cloud]

theres so much meme potential

if i read back through forum notes, apparently they downsized the railjack ship in 2021

good thing too, 3 separate levels with multiple spots to enter/exit or gunturret spots iirc was confusing

with invaders being able to be anywhere

defenders back then said "oh but you can teleport around!" but that isnt much of an excuse when 50% of the ship was just useless empty space between actually useful or lore important spaces

[valid jolt]

I hope they do raids with RJ one day

[fiery kettle]

silly little railjack rework

[valid jolt]

I have cope we’ll get raids

[nova harness]

Are there plans to bring back raids or some form of larger group content?

Megan: Oh, trials. Oh, what a time. We have, I think on your whiteboard, there has been an idea for trials for quite some time. But it's all about balancing what we want to do. Obviously, the story. Warframe:1999 was huge. So, it has a place, it has a time. We just gotta see when it fits in. But we do have ideas for it, and we want to bring it back. We want it to feel like what Warframe represents now and not go back to what it was. So, yeah, it's a big project.

Rebecca: The thing we miss most about them is having to coordinate with the team. That's our white whale right now. It's a coordination-based mission.

[valid jolt]

Imagine if they announce raids as the new update that they’re gonna talk about in September

Oh how I love copium

[nova harness]

This interview was the closest we got to it

[valid jolt]

Why else would they hold off on announcing an update?

Unless ig it’s a collab

[nova harness]

They are even planning on trying the thing they tried with Duviri

I will finish off for the players who are excited about Warframe 1999 but may not have returned in a couple of years. How far will they have to progress in order to access that content?

Megan: That's a great question. It continues off of Whispers in the Walls and then Lotus Eaters Quest, so you will have to have completely caught up with the story. But lately, and really recently this year, we've been trying to streamline that process. If you are a new player and you see this 1999 demo, and you're like, I want to play that when it comes out.

We've really tried to make it so the game would tell you exactly the path to get there instead of, you know, yes, there's 20 different quests you can do, but there's only four required ones I need to do to get there.

We're trying to make those junction changes, star chart changes to really help those players get to where they want to be, because we understand that when we put out this awesome update demo and all this, you know, marketing people want to play it. We get it and we want to get them there.

We don't want people to be confused. That's a huge thing. We experimented with Duviri being at the beginning of the game and it didn't pan out for us, so we changed gears on that. We want to make sure that they understand the story and are caught up, but we're doing our best to get them there in the quickest way possible.

Rebecca: We need to do our Tenno training tool to get people through the Tenno tool tips. We do have a campaign in our game, and some people still don't know that. Our goal would be to get the campaign awareness to a point where people just continue playing it instead of being interrupted by a lack of information.

[solemn cloud]

My theory is that during the Old War Warframes operated as battlefield generals (like Jedi during the clone wars), so each RJ would have one Warframe - deployed by the slingshot or archwing bay.

[thick jolt]

Just when i complimented them on learning from the past

The two beginnings idea is just not good

[solemn cloud]

That's not at all what they said they'd do - they said Duviri didn't work, therefore they need a new way - such as a campaign map that tells you what to do next, to help you progress - instead of just blindly playing through the star chart.

[nova harness]

They are trying it again but better

[thick jolt]

A guide is good but "the thing they tried with duviri" is absolutely a bad idea

[solemn cloud]

Maybe they streamline a path to each of the junctions - with a codex outline of all the quests they need to complete - or perhaps it's context based. Maybe you select a quest and it tells you exactly what to do to get there.

Either way I'm just glad they know that Duviri as intro2 did not work.

[solemn cloud]

They know it's a bad idea (and don't want to repeat that) - is the main takeaway.

[nova harness]

DE confirmed we won't get an answer to a specific question people keep asking With the year 1999 established, what is the current year for Warframe?

Rebecca: Oh, we'll never answer that.

[solemn cloud]

I love that in the demo they start with "centuries later" then backspace it, then "millennia later" backspace it again, and "?????? Later", and finally just leave it at "Later". 🤣

For Earth to look like a primordial jungle, it would need to be a long long time in the future - far more than just a few thousand years.

[nova harness]

This sounds good How many of the arcade games in Warframe: 1999 will be playable?

Rebecca: Definitely one. There is a huge one that's its own fully ready-to-go minigame. It's Calibur Chicks. It's our Contra-esque game. But we're hoping to get at least two. The second one is currently being worked on by one of our awesome devs.

[solemn cloud]

Haha so cool. Just when you thought Warframe was done having games inside games, they go and say that 😎

[fierce summit]

Oh that's why 80% of the machines in the Arcade are for the Caliber Chicks franchise
Like there's the Vampire Pinball machines, Ollie's Crash Course, the Air Hockey Table, and then Caliber Chicks machines. So many Caliber Chicks machines.

[solemn cloud]

Imagine if they make Calibur Chicks 2 player co-op 😎

[nova harness]

I think Calibur Chicks is the dating thing

Honestly can't remember what the pc called it

[solemn cloud]

KIM - the instant messenger?

Curious to find out what the K stands for.

[thick jolt]

Frame fighter makes me very afraid lol

[nova harness]

I hope we get access to the table games would be great 2-player fun

[nocturne kiln]

So, uh.... is it?

[fading current]

Reb said yes in the Devshort today.

[nocturne kiln]

I looked over the devshort, couldn't find where

[fading current]

Time stamp: 5:41

[nocturne kiln]

Ty. I'll check when I get home. All I've wanted from the Gemini skins is to see Arthur in Hayden's old suit

It's finally time to return to a Dark Sector

[sick sparrow]

3 hours into the new war, and im still not ready for this

[valid jolt]

It gets crazier lol

[sick sparrow]

how much does it matter what i pick?

[valid jolt]

Not that important after the quest, but whoever you choose is who you end the quest with. And the dialogue does change in certain moments

[sick sparrow]

alright, im still at a loss for who to pick lmao

[valid jolt]

Just choose what makes sense to you and you’ll be good

[molten girder]

i picked the Operator when i did the New War but it is your choice

[sick sparrow]

thats what im leaning too

doing it, wish me luck

[valid jolt]

o7

[molten girder]

Gl

[edgy wasp]

Im partly through the new war quest, and its just saying this, what do i do? (After killing my first archion)

[valid jolt]

Wait. But if it’s been a while then ig closing the game and reopening it works too

[edgy wasp]

servers are down :(

[valid jolt]

Ohhh rip

[sick sparrow]

the new war was bonkres

[elder owl]

Does anyone know if all warframes are getting a prototype version or not all

I think it wouldn’t be fair if not all will get a prototype but I haven’t heard if every frame is getting one

[nocturne kiln]

Not all

but!

[elder owl]

But for example a friend said a few frames wouldn’t get one like protea, i don’t remember why they said protea won’t get one but they also said valkyr wont get one since my friend said valkyr was never human, and because she’s a community made frame

[nocturne kiln]

More protoframes may be announced

[elder owl]

Ya

[nocturne kiln]

I think production cost makes more sense as a reason, given they're fully voiced

Those reasons your friend said doesn't make sense

[elder owl]

Ya

I was confused by their reasons why some frames wouldn’t get a prototype

[nocturne kiln]

I'd say it's morelikely to be a slow release for any further warframes and even then, expect them for more classic/iconic frames first

Just from shere production cost

[elder owl]

I think possibly releasing them in batches and not crazy voice acting

My guess

[nocturne kiln]

I'm not sure if I'd agree but you di you. It's 12:30 at night so I'm not great for detailed explanation as to why rn

[elder owl]

lol

It’s 3:30 am for me, I got no brain power

[nocturne kiln]

Point is, it's for the poster boys and girls first

I think a bigger issue for valkyr would be having to record her screams

[elder owl]

I just been thinking that what backlash would the community have if not all frames get a prototype

[elder owl]

lol oh definitely

[nocturne kiln]

Nah, that stuff has happened before

I mean, what about the prototype skins?

Only three got those

[elder owl]

Like so far the dev team are working in the OG frames as prototypes

[nocturne kiln]

Basically. Giving the ogs some love

[elder owl]

Maybe only the OG frames get the prototypes

[elder owl]

Ye they need it

[nocturne kiln]

We'd have to quantify what og means then

[nocturne kiln]

When was the last time something happened for trinity?

[elder owl]

Definitely a very long time

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly

So everyone can chill, DE will do right by us in one way or another

[elder owl]

Well can’t wait to see what other possible prototypes there will be

[nocturne kiln]

I'd expect loki next if any

[undone lodge]

When you say Prototypes you mean the Protoframes?

[elder owl]

Ya

[nocturne kiln]

Nope

[undone lodge]

They’re not prototypes

[elder owl]

Idk my brain ain’t braining

I got a derp

Lol

[elder owl]

Cool skin

[nocturne kiln]

These are the prototype skins

[elder owl]

Well you know what I was talking about the protoframes

[nocturne kiln]

I know, which is why I make the distinction between them

[elder owl]

Ye

I’d love to see how nekros would look as a proto

[brazen cloud]

i use this one on my volt

[molten girder]

I use the Excalibur Proto Skin on my Excalibur Umbra

[obtuse gyro]

aside from meta reasons, there is only like what? 1 frame that falls outside the window for albrecht to make a protoframe of

protea isnt one of them, and neither is valkyr

[fierce summit]

Caliban, I'm assuming? It's either him or Xaku (since the batches would be of Xaku's component frames rather than Xaku themselves)

[ember mulch]

Revenant too potentially

Thats a lot more not-protos than i thought there could be

[fierce summit]

But in terms of proto-frames, we're getting the six that were revealed. That's probably going to be all since the person making them, Albrecht, has been cut off from his source of Warframe sauce since Loid smashed the casket.

Also the syndicate is called the hex. If there were more, they would not have named the syndicate "the six".

[ember mulch]

There are implied to be (or have been) more protos considering how the hex are referred to as 'batches' of warframes, though the hex are the only surviving ones we've seen

[obtuse gyro]

just rev

[ember mulch]

Protos of other warframes is extrapolation from what we have

[fierce summit]

The "batch" refers to the Warframe's progenitor

[ember mulch]

Its more likely any other protos we see are of the batches we know

[fierce summit]

It's a "batch" of Helminth infestation

[obtuse gyro]

Caliban existed around the time of the Old War, and Xaku might have appeared while albrecht was still around, Ballas, and thus Albrecht could have snagged the batch strain before dipping

Then again, we know rev prime existed, so like, perhaps all warframes are protoable, assuming albrecht can extrapolate a base out of prime blueprints

[ember mulch]

i'd feel kinda disappointed if it ended up like that, i wanna see protos of the same frame fight each other

We got jetstream sam excalibur, where raiden excalibur

[glad oriole]

Are Techrot and Technoctye the same thing?

[obtuse gyro]

both are names for strains of infestation

[solemn cloud]

Techrot is the environment transformed by the Technocyte infestation.

It's just slang.

Cool slang, especially when a British guy says it.

[fickle estuary]

I don't think Albrecht could get access to anything to do with Caliban

He was most likely made in some black-site away from everyone's eyes expect Ballas and the Sentience

[nova harness]

I think I found the worst lore from wiki

[obtuse gyro]

The whole overview section is unsourced and egregious

Like I want to delete the whole thing and put remark "Until actually sourced, do not input"

[nova harness]

Someone definitely saw the Albrecht from 1999 and the centuries from Tennocon and was like lets mash em

[obtuse gyro]

Worst yet theyve somehow missed the time traveling entrati bit

[fierce summit]

And at no point wondered if maybe the fact that centuries then flickers to millenia and then ???? might be an indicator that it's been a while
(Also cool note the 1999 text that appears before the "[Duration] Later, in the Origin System" says the word "Eons", so that's the most "correct" one in my book)

[nova harness]

And the fact they called him one of the original 7

Literally nothing suggests that

[fickle estuary]

"Important Orokin therefore part of the Seven" Their logic probably

[tawdry socket]

Do we know ANYTHING about the 7?

[nova harness]

Yes

[tawdry socket]

If you say "there were seven of them" I'll kill you

[nova harness]

Ballas lived on Mars

Tuvul was head of the Zariman and Yuvan Clericy

Bsllas was head of the Warframe project

[tawdry socket]

Wait I thought they were Executors, not one of the Seven

[nova harness]

The 7 are the executors

[tawdry socket]

I was under the impression those were different

[nova harness]

There could be 2 different types very unlikely though but the 7 are of Executor rank

[tawdry socket]

When Ordan Karris called ballas "Executor of the Seven" I took that to mean that he had the rank of "Guy that does stuff for the CEO"

[nova harness]

There is no boss of the 7 unless the 7 Emperors get brought back to the lore but I think they got retconned into the 7 Executors

[tawdry socket]

I see, that would make sense

I did take a break from the game for a while so that retcon probably happened between those points

So Ballas Tuvul Nihil and 4 others were the Orokin CEOs?

[nova harness]

Yes

All 7 were needed to pass judgment on an idea law or execution

[fierce summit]

Nihil isn’t technically one of them; he’s just closely related as their designated glassing executioner. The known Executors are Ballas, Tuvul, Karishh, and Avantus.

(Note, this is not my area of expertise so I’m mostly going off the Orokin Archives for this one)

[ember mulch]

I don't think Nihil is ever mentioned as an executor, just the glassmaker of the orokin

[fierce summit]

Yeah, hence why Grey has him noted as not being one on the OA

[ember mulch]

No idea who karishh and avantus are, though ik one of them grafted multiple stomachs and became so weighty that we got an archwing skin

Might've been the former

[fierce summit]

That’s Karishh; he gets mentioned in Grendel lore

[ember mulch]

Avantus was from voruna or am i misremembering

[fierce summit]

Avantus is from the Arid Lancer Imprint

[wispy jasper]

Avantus was the one the grineer turned on

[fierce summit]

Voruna had the pleasure of killing Tuvul

[ember mulch]

Ah right tuvul was from voruna

Mentioned somewhere in the remnants of the zariman too i think

[cyan crest]

and from Crewman imprint

[fierce summit]

And then Kullervo was supposed to kill Ballas, but that obviously didn’t pan out

[ember mulch]

so that gives us 3 unknown orokin of the grand 7

[wispy jasper]

So far I guess all of the 4 we know of survived the initial attack during the drums event

[fierce summit]

Oh yeah, huh?

[ember mulch]

They all died now though (hooray? Hooray.)

[cyan crest]

i have the theory Nihil is of the seven because of the gara prime trailer
he had word on a trial, he probably was on the same level as the rest of them

[ember mulch]

He was a judge tho no?

[fierce summit]

If he was, it would make him one of the seven since the seven were the high judiciary of the empire

Not sure if he’s ever called a judge though

[ember mulch]

Judge, jury and executioner

[cyan crest]

capital punishment can only be performed after a unanimous vote from the seven (see idk what legem that Nora quotes in the glassmaker fight)
they were judging Gara, if he had word on it he must’ve been pne of the seven

[ember mulch]

Ok so 5 executors out of 7

4 of them dead by now

[fierce summit]

Wait but in the Gara Prime trailer, isn’t his vote explicitly undermined by Ballas? Like, he says “glass her” and Ballas goes sure but how about no

[cyan crest]

that’s how voting works yeah

[fierce summit]

It wasn’t unanimous then
Unless Nihil never had a vote in the first place

[cyan crest]

and it wasn’t capital punishment

that being death or glassing

[fierce summit]

Glassing is death. As is Warframe… ing.

[cyan crest]

that’s not death, that’s very much being alive

it sucks but you don’t die
probably would suck less if it killed you

[ember mulch]

"Your punishment is... eternal life"
-Ballas to Ordan

[fierce summit]

Ah, scratch that then (get it because glass)

[ember mulch]

Idk whether being a fractured cephalon or a warframe is better than the other, both sucks

[cyan crest]

Nora does count Glassing as capital punishment… ugh i wish we had clearer info

[wispy jasper]

I think probably cephalon until the Tenno rebellion, then it’s more of a mixed bag

[ember mulch]

Actually didnt quinn from the zariman get access to glassing people

[wispy jasper]

Warframes definitely suffered more directly until we get involved with them, but cephalons are also constrained by their programming which maybe feels worse to you in the long run

[cyan crest]

yeah but he was preparing for an environment without access to the Seven, he probably had special permission

[fierce summit]

I’m hesitant to call Nihil a judge because the only source I know of that does so is the wiki, and the last thing in #lore-discussion is an example of why we don’t always trust the wiki

He was clearly important enough to be present and give opinions at judgements, but I don’t know if he counts as one of the big boys (although it does seem likely)

[cyan crest]

so we have 4 and a half executors

[fierce summit]

Quinn was indeed given the special glass-anyone button

[wispy jasper]

Yeah the Orokin mostly don’t do their own labor so there’s some likelihood he was just a special executioner

Might check the transcript real quick

[fierce summit]

If he is one then that’s yet another Executor we failed to kill on the Night of the Naga Drums (really not a great showing ngl)

[ember mulch]

Im no law professional, but arent there times in court where the decision of the jury (being the 7 in this case) is more important than the judge

[cyan crest]

we did kill basically every other orokin so like over all…

[fierce summit]

Well yes but in this case the jury and the judge are the same people. Like, they decide if you’re guilty (jury) but also how and if they’re going to punish you (judge)

[cyan crest]

except the entrati and the queens

[ember mulch]

ofc the orokin rigged it again

[cyan crest]

also their Judicial power seems to also be their Executive (hehe executors) and the other one i dont remember

[fierce summit]

Legislative?

[cyan crest]

that one

[fierce summit]

All three branches of government permanently captured by seven immortal ding-dongs. It’s impressive that the empire didn’t collapse sooner and needed two different catastrophic super weapons to explode in their face before it finally went kaput.

[ember mulch]

Not just that, at least 4 different betrayals from major groups

[wispy jasper]

Now I’m no clearer really on whether Nihil was officially an executor/judge in the old empire or if Nora is just calling him judge in the present, but I’m also not remembering how Glassmaker shakes out for Nora. She was glassed, right? Did she just…get better? Is that reversible?

[fiery turret]

Thought Nora was hidden

If I read that right sorry

[covert tree]

I can't wait to eat flowers next quest

[fiery turret]

I'm so close yet so far to catch up

[covert tree]

As a not so wise man once said "don't be late"

[fiery turret]

I hope that lotus eaters release somewhat around the time I finish jade shadows? Dunno I can't predict the future plus the reason I still persist in this forsaken game :necramech

[tawdry socket]

If you haven't built the Necramech you proooobably shouldn't be in here

As in #spoiler-chat

I imagine the quest should be towards the end of August so you'll have time anyway

[covert tree]

They made it easier to get

So go get it and then come back

[fiery turret]

God I hope so

I will tomorrow

[nova harness]

Who's everyone's favourite member of the Hex?

[tawdry socket]

Ben Starr, currently

(Arthur)

[nova harness]

I like how his sister speaks like she knows we are there

[scarlet basalt]

I would say Amir but Arthur having the same VA of Clive in FF16...

[covert tree]

Amir he's so "innocent in a f'd up way" heavy quotes

I dislike quincy he seems to dislike almost every hex member

[cyan crest]

split between Lettie, the Nyx girl and the Cyte 09 dude

but tbf i like all of them

probably arthur the least

[nova harness]

Fair

[brazen cloud]

but also theres 7 of them

[brazen cloud]

definitely Eleanor, aka Nyx, the one you liked how she speaks. second is Leticia aka Trinity.

[tawdry socket]

[scarlet basalt]

One wild thing to think about is that Arthur is also available for umbra
Meaning that you can go operator and have a literla man with you
Just a man with a gun

[wispy jasper]

chanting Rat Queen, Rat Queen, RAT QUEEN, RAT QUEEN

[brazen cloud]

i got a full auto amp, so definitely planning that for the memes

just side by side going pewpewpew

something i always wondered bout since the Tang Prime kubrow skin

"Tang Prime Kubrow - The product of untold generations of selective breeding, coupled with multifold iterations of Orokin bioengineering, created this: the Tang breed of Kubrow. Faithful guardians of the most revered."

selective breeding, knowing how vain the orokin are, they 100% bred for looks

makes me think the kubrow variety is horribly unhealthy 🤔

[tawdry socket]

Have you seen pugs

[brazen cloud]

that breed and others like it are why im saying it

the Orokin mimic the most vain and disgusting versions of us humans in more ways than i'd like to admit.

pugs, french bulldogs and boston terriers bred with too short snouts to where they cant breathe, too small skulls to where their eyes get pressured too much, etc

and this Kubrow may have the same issue of not even being able to close its jaws

[tawdry socket]

I'd have to see it in game but you seem to be right

[tawdry socket]

This says a lot about society

[late stirrup]

any translators in chat?

[brazen cloud]

fun fact, we live in one

[tawdry socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1265408720653783126/image.png?ex=66a20ff5&is=66a0be75&hm=a0b432b483994f9d433d4fb4752c3420f4e378fc019d57f3517d94d7422fde2c&

[tawdry socket]

I'm at work so I can't but I reposted the key

[late stirrup]

thanks

[shrewd palm]

i like the way this game is going XDDDDDD

[merry zealot]

what do they mean by we will know more about drifter romance in lotus eaters?

[merry zealot]

[fiery kettle]

warframe dating sim

[nova harness]

DE are hornier than the players

[balmy storm]

Untrue, they are equally horny

[nova harness]

They were until they made a dating feature

[valid jolt]

Well some people have been begging DE for romance in the main story soo

[nova harness]

Then they complained when they got Jade and Stalker's romance lore

[balmy storm]

That was more of a tragedy than romance

In terms of genre anyway

Yes they were romantically involved, but we didn’t see that much of it

[nova harness]

Tragedyance

[viscid quarry]

That’s just tragic romance not tragedyance

[valid jolt]

Tragedy of the Commons

[covert tree]

I'm actually excited for the romance aspect

Because knowing how de is it's probably gonna be really good

[valid jolt]

If there’s no kiss cutscene, I want my money back

[covert tree]

I want a 1 hour long you know seen

I'm just joking

[valid jolt]

Lol I wonder how far DEs gonna go

[covert tree]

It's an M game you never know but probably kissing and flirting

[valid jolt]

Yea and it’s 100% gonna be Drifter

No way Operators doing that lol

[covert tree]

Yeah operator is a forever child he's technically older than he looks but they haven't aged in anyway due to void power so it would be weird asf

[nova harness]

The operator is too young for it I swear I heard them say

[covert tree]

Yeah but I'm right in thinking they don't age as soon as they get void power

[valid jolt]

No they do age. Our Operator was just in cryosleep until Second Dream

That’s why they’re still young

[covert tree]

I thought void powers would just stop the aging because wally is a doosh

[nova harness]

We are 1000+ years old but we got the Captain America treatment

[covert tree]

Drifter stayd young due to duviri

[nova harness]

He actually aged

[covert tree]

That's why I think void power locks there age

[nova harness]

Void slows things down he still ages

[covert tree]

But I'm probably wrong and am just trying to justify them not aging even after second dream

[valid jolt]

Ohhh you mean that

Well I doubt DEs ever going to update their models rn

[covert tree]

I know I'm just trying to give a lore reason

[valid jolt]

But who knows they might make them look like 21 year olds eventually

That would be a cool lore update

[covert tree]

Nah that's drifters job

[valid jolt]

Our Operator finally looking old lol

[nova harness]

Operator age update when?

[valid jolt]

Frr

Imagine if that’s the unannounced update

I wouldn’t mind that ngl

[covert tree]

That's why drifter exists for the people who don't want to play a child

I know that's not actually the point of drifter

But it's a benefit

[valid jolt]

Nah most people play Drifter since they can actually ROLL

And is a bit faster than our Operator

Who can just slide

[nova harness]

I have a tiny theory that's almost definitely incorrect about the unannounced update

[covert tree]

Ok

[valid jolt]

Do tell

[nova harness]

Let me find what was said

[covert tree]

I play him for the older look and fashion

[valid jolt]

I switch between them like once a month lol

I have good fashions for both of them

[covert tree]

Rly I just stick to the true reason ballas died

[nova harness]

Rebecca: I'm excited for Caliban. Unannounced update: you're gonna be the best!

Plot twist

Caliban update

[covert tree]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[valid jolt]

…

Wait they announced a Caliban rework right?

[nova harness]

Yes

And a skin

[valid jolt]

Oh ok

If it’s a collab

I’m gonna lose it

[nova harness]

So imagine the update is a Caliban quest to defeat Narmer

[valid jolt]

Lmaoo

More Narmer is fine

But I don’t think they would hold off on telling that until September

I’m still coping that it’s raids

Like what else could it possibly be?

That they’re holding off

[balmy storm]

Void powers likely don’t effect aging
Drifter aged, but was also in a time loop, and also has good future human genes so they don’t look as old as they should be, plus they didnt even gain powers til the new war
The Operator was put into cryosleep, which halted their aging, so likely not their powers

[nova harness]

Void stuff

[balmy storm]

Could relate to what happens in lotus eaters, the title alone being too spoilery

[valid jolt]

Maybeee

[covert tree]

Ah

[nova harness]

Can't remember didn't De announce an animated show or something

[valid jolt]

I also wouldn’t mind a 3rd Orb Mother

[valid jolt]

They said it would play when you boot up the game when 1999 drops

[balmy storm]

If I had to take a guess
Lotus Eaters will push us further towards 1999, detail more about Wally and what’s up with the Lotus
The unannounced update will be about infested liches, it’ll likely be in October so that would make sense for it to relate to something spooky like the infestation
Alternatively it could be about Narmer, but it makes more sense to focus on the current arc and what’s more relevant, but we shall see in September

[valid jolt]

But they already showed Infested Liches later on. I believe this update is something else entirely, with new content that they haven’t shown

[fickle estuary]

3rd Orb 👉👈

[balmy storm]

I don’t think it’d implement them fully but prepare us for them, update infested tiles, more hints of 1999 and the coda strain

[nova harness]

I hope 3rd orb or Raids but wouldn't make sense for raids as it's not something DE have said they have figured it out yet

[balmy storm]

Infested liches are very likely only coming with 1999, if not after depending on development

[valid jolt]

I think they’re an Echoes update

[balmy storm]

I could see raids in 1999

[nova harness]

Ducky did you see the interview

[balmy storm]

Lotus Eaters echoes?

[balmy storm]

What one 👀

[nova harness]

Ill link it you

[valid jolt]

1999 echoes would make the most sense

[balmy storm]

For the unannounced update?
Or for liches?

[valid jolt]

Or maybe even next year lol. Since the demo said “Centuries—millennia—later in the Origin System”

[valid jolt]

Infested Liches

[nova harness]

I should go work for DE and tell you what the unannounced update is

Then quit

[valid jolt]

Same

Sneaking into their writing office wouldn’t hurt

[nova harness]

It's more fun not knowing sometimes though

[balmy storm]

I can see that yeah

@nova harness I’ll read more later but I saw no infested tileset rework 😔

[valid jolt]

Yea but if you hype it too much but then it turns out to just be a collab or something, thennn it kinda sucks

[nova harness]

I doubt it will be a collab

[balmy storm]

The issue for the infested tileset isn’t the lighting, its that it’s horrible to traverse and difficult to know where to even go at times, maybe that’s the point but it’s just frustrating :/

[valid jolt]

DE should just delete Eris in general. No one likes getting 1 shot by toxin smh

[valid jolt]

As a Gauss main, I fully agree

It’s so outdated

[balmy storm]

It really is

[fickle estuary]

It's a problem with any infested mission expect like Deimos

You try going through a corridor and suddenly Toxic Ancient jumpscare

[valid jolt]

Yea Deimos isn’t that bad

[valid jolt]

Lol exactly

[balmy storm]

Like its visually amazing, maybe dated in terms of lighting and some other assets but it’s outdated

Deimos is better as a tileset because it’s actually traversable

[nova harness]

Deimos infested vs Eris infested who wins

[valid jolt]

Deimos 100%

They have more leg room

[weary fern]

I love deimos

[valid jolt]

Same

[weary fern]

Its the best open world

[balmy storm]

The amount of times I get lost or stuck in infested tilesets
Even after over 5 years of playing the game it’s crazy

[fickle estuary]

We could use an infested version of the New Corpus tiles tbh

Like nothing big just a few infested fleshy bits here and there

[nova harness]

DE don't want to rework stuff

Like that

[balmy storm]

Which is valid, that’s a lot of work
But the infested tilesets are so outdated and so just. Terrible

[valid jolt]

Archwing missions also need a rework imo. They just don’t work anymore lol

[fickle estuary]

True

[balmy storm]

The grineer tilesets could use some lighting update but are fine at least

[fickle estuary]

But at the same time reworking arch-wing would mean reworking Uranus

So even more work

[balmy storm]

Archwing update that introduces modular archwing

[nova harness]

This mall I should've bought lightbulbs for before they all got bought its too dark in some places

[undone lodge]

So instead of just the 4 Archwing types something like the K-Drive parts?

[valid jolt]

Anything in general would work fine. Archwings are like the only thing I don’t have maxed rank lol. I refuse to do Archwing missions

[balmy storm]

Bring an ephemera or frame with light?

[nova harness]

Doesn't work

That's how dark it is

[fickle estuary]

Arch-melee needs to not be completely useless too, also the fact that only like 2 arch-guns are actually used

[balmy storm]

Ye, in 2019 they showcased it was something they wanted to do but I’ve heard they just never found where or when to implement it, at the time I thought it could’ve come with railjack and/or duviri but clearly not

[balmy storm]

Damn ):

[valid jolt]

Yep

[balmy storm]

Same lmao

[nova harness]

I'm convinced Quincy hates Albrecht

[balmy storm]

Arch-melees being useful and useable in normal missions would be amazing and funny
Let me use comically oversized weapons, you know we love them DE

[balmy storm]

He 1000% does

[valid jolt]

I heard Quincy is Cyte, which doesn’t make sense to me. Like does he die and get turned into a Warframe orrr was that him in the past

[fickle estuary]

Proto-frames are people infected with an stable Warframe strain brought by Albrecht I think

[nova harness]

Maybe his frame model is cyte 9

[fickle estuary]

They are kinda like the first Prototypes if they worker as intended

[balmy storm]

His batch is cyte-09, so it depends on if his batch originates from 1999 or not
But either way you just extract the specific cyte-09 blueprint from him and you’re good to go

[nova harness]

Best part of the 20 mins

[elder owl]

Lol

[obtuse gyro]

First prototypes? Naw. Not first, not prototypes either

[balmy storm]

There likely was or is other people in his and the others batches

[valid jolt]

Ikr

[fickle estuary]

No the actual first prototypes

[balmy storm]

The protoframes aren’t prototypes, they’re just incomplete warframes

[fickle estuary]

The frames that went rogue

[elder owl]

Well remember this is back in 1999, there’s no Tenno yet

[obtuse gyro]

I mean sure, but the protoframes causally came after gen 2 warframes

[fickle estuary]

Proto-frames have the abilities of Warframes but can function without an operator like the gen 1's

[balmy storm]

Protoframes are technically the 3rd generation of Warframes

[fickle estuary]

So gen 1's if they actually worked

[valid jolt]

I wonder if that’s actually scripted to happen or if it’s just a demo thing

[balmy storm]

They also are permitted a lot more free will and speech

[elder owl]

In the vitrivian ballas was describing on how they made frames

[nova harness]

4th if you count Exacl Umbra and Umbra Prime

[balmy storm]

I don’t, 1 frame doesn’t make a whole generation

[obtuse gyro]

Id say more like 2.5s? Since theyre not doing anything entirely innovative just delaying the process a major bunch.

We can see that elenor is most far along than all of them

[obtuse gyro]

Thats still gen 2

And umbra prime doesnt actually exist in the main build of the game

[balmy storm]

I can see 2.5, it’ll depend on just how delayed it is

[elder owl]

I’m wondering what other warframes are getting a proroframe

[balmy storm]

Currently, likely just the hex
Hopefully we see more in the future

It’d make sense to want to do more gemini skins, maybe with special voice actors

[elder owl]

Ya and they might release them in batches

[valid jolt]

I wonder where all the people are in 1999. Are they the Infested now? Are they dead? Did Albrecht kidnap them or something?

[elder owl]

Probably all of that

[balmy storm]

Probably yeah, update some of 1999 and give us some more protos

[fickle estuary]

Well the city is in curfew so that's why nobody is outside, but there is a good chance they are all dead too

[balmy storm]

Scaldra was evacuating people I think

[elder owl]

It’s like a zombie apocalypse

[balmy storm]

So either all dead, under curfew or gone

Imagine living in 1999, looking out your window and just seeing some dude in a body tight suit bullet jumping around

[valid jolt]

So basically TLOU

Except with bikes

[nova harness]

Looking at Warframe: 1999, you mentioned the Gemini system for some of the cosmetics. How expansive will that system be?

Megan: It will be the Gemini skins themselves. Any Protoframe that we may be doing in the future will also have the Gemini skin. They'll all be on the same level, fully voiced. Fully optional, you can customize your Protoframe and use that emote however you want to. It'll be a consistent theme as we continue to do Echoes of 1999 and beyond that.

[balmy storm]

Yessssss

[valid jolt]

I wonder if you have to pay for them

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope they don’t just abandon Duviri, echoes of lorn when

[valid jolt]

It’s not happening

[elder owl]

Im guessing either resources, credits or possibly plat

[valid jolt]

I’ve lost my cope

[fickle estuary]

Duviri update just makes your computer download Soulframe upon entering it

[balmy storm]

I’ll hold out hope for more duviri, even if its just story relevance
Which it likely will be

[nova harness]

Rest in peace cope 2024-2024

[valid jolt]

WAIT imagine if that’s the unannounced update

I would cry if it was

Ah here comes the copium again

[elder owl]

They have to, there’s still such a big gap between the story of duviri then when the drifter shows up in the new war

[valid jolt]

o7

[balmy storm]

Anyway, what frames would you want to see as protos?
I can def see Rhino, Ember and Frost getting them easily

[balmy storm]

No there isn’t, wdym?

[elder owl]

I’m hoping for valkyr

[fickle estuary]

Nidus would have some really unique potential

[balmy storm]

Oooo, now that’s a good one
Add a rework in there and that’s a good update 👀

[nova harness]

Imagine all frames got a Gemini skin

[balmy storm]

Agreed, maybe they could be a sorta infested botanist
Tending to their “garden”

[elder owl]

Like it never showed when our drifter getting to the origin system during ballas’s rule, the drifter learning of the other version of them, setting up camp etc etc

[balmy storm]

Xaku wouldn’t work ):

[fickle estuary]

Tbh we don't know how they met Ordis, found out what the current situation of the Sol system is, how they got out of the Zariman/Durivi etc. I think

[nova harness]

The Void says yes

[elder owl]

There just isn’t showing on the gap after ballas stabbed us

[brazen cloud]

i had a silly idea of just a group of three individuals sticking together at all times, each with their own abilities

[valid jolt]

I honestly would prefer more Duviri islands than a new quest

[balmy storm]

The end of the duviri paradox is them getting to the origin system
And while we can assume they met up with Ordis who filled them in about everything off screen I do agree it could be showed or at least mentioned somewhere in some amount of detail

[balmy storm]

Physically, I don’t think they’d work

[elder owl]

Ya that’s what I mean

[fickle estuary]

Conjoined triplets but that would probably be too weird

[balmy storm]

Cute idea but that isn’t Xaku, not in gameplay at least

[nova harness]

But I spoke to my frienemy the Void and they said they don't care about physically

[brazen cloud]

alternatively, could be a protoframe with multiple prosthetics

[fickle estuary]

Also yeah true their skeleton mode would be uhhhh

Difficult to make as a human

[balmy storm]

Skeleton mode is the biggest factor for it not working

Let alone the lore issue

[brazen cloud]

yeets clothes away

[fickle estuary]

Not only clothes but also skin

[zenith jacinth]

Intimidating

[brazen cloud]

i wont yuck other people's yums

[balmy storm]

I do think a protoframe with a further understanding of the void would be interesting, as Xaku has mastered their void powers and in theory proto Xaku is the closest to a tennoframe
But visually I don’t see it working

[fickle estuary]

[nova harness]

I'm thinking about cleaning up this Mall starting with banning the Infestation

[fickle estuary]

We should save 1999 by bringing in Sentients since they are immune to the infested (ignore that we create an even worse problem)

[near rune]

Just because Sentients are immune to Infested doesn't mean they can beat them (see Deimos)

[fickle estuary]

Alternatively, dump every single Kavat ever sent to the Lotus to 1999

[balmy storm]

Man, I just can’t see proto Xaku working
Maybe with multiple personalities but idk

[nova harness]

The Infested are immune to the Sentients and have larger numbers

[zenith jacinth]

Just use the sentients that would be allied to us, surely they can't all be gone

[balmy storm]

Bring all the kavats to 1999
Problem solved

[near rune]

It is interesting how Aoi thinks that Kalymos would be toast if Albrecht died given that kavats eat Infestation like it's candy. Maybe she just doesn't know.

[fickle estuary]

Deimos is a bit special since the entire planet got infested, 1999 still seems to be early in infection

[brazen cloud]

new frame, become the kavat

[balmy storm]

She likely doesn’t know their diet, she is a 1999 human who has never seen a kavat

[nova harness]

The best I can do is Voruna

[near rune]

yeah

[balmy storm]

Khora and Voruna had a baby

[zenith jacinth]

Khora 2.0?

[nova harness]

Can't do Kavats

[brazen cloud]

Khora 3.0, so good that we skip the 2.0 version

[fickle estuary]

Ehhmm Valkyr exists 😤

Actual kitty

[zenith jacinth]

Valkyr isn't a kavat

[balmy storm]

Khora, Valkyr and Voruna all had a baby together, the ultimate catframe

[brazen cloud]

prove it, point at a valkyr player for me

[near rune]

You know, according to the Leverian Voruna started off as Khora-like but with 4 instead of 1. So with some kuva Khora could fuse with Venari like Voruna did with hers.

[balmy storm]

She is cat-like

[brazen cloud]

[fickle estuary]

Okay fair point

But I'm sure there is liek

3 out there

[balmy storm]

Wait fr? :o
That’s some cool lore 👀

[nova harness]

You know too much

[brazen cloud]

i wanna see the original tbh

[zenith jacinth]

You didn't know that?

[balmy storm]

I want proto valkyr to be a stereotypical mean girl
Idk why

[brazen cloud]

protoframe Voruna just running along with 4 doggos

[zenith jacinth]

Remove the extra wolf heads from voruna and you got the original

[balmy storm]

It’s been so long since voruna came out, plus I was more focused on Tuvul summoning the murmur, Tuvul’s death and Voruna finding her tenno

[fickle estuary]

Proto-Valkyr should be an absolute feral gremlin and I will not have it any other way

[balmy storm]

Still unnerving that copies of Albrecht’s book exists
Somewhere

[brazen cloud]

i kinda want the opposite, proto valkyr to be kind, fun loving and the like, and in turn we can contextualize how Salad V had done horrendous things to the frame

[balmy storm]

She can be two things 👀

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe because of that one deluxe?

[balmy storm]

I like this idea too 👀

[balmy storm]

Yeah I think so, it gives mean girl and I love it

I love all the different interpretations for proto valkyr
Grenlin, kind and mean
The kind route seems more likely

[fickle estuary]

Alad really spent most of his early life dissecting Warframes to make some plastic dog that we one shot

[balmy storm]

Wait, wouldn’t proto valkyr use valkyr’s blueprint before salad v even got to her?

Proto valkyr could be a proper look at valkyr before Alad 👀

Same with revenant, he was warden before after all

[zenith jacinth]

Police man proto rev

[brazen cloud]

i would not want to meet Proto grendel, as that would imply proto grendel ate people too

[zenith jacinth]

Or he was just really gluttonous

[brazen cloud]

moreso like, warframe running around with 4 doggie friends

[balmy storm]

Statistically he ate at least 1 scaldra soldier—

[brazen cloud]

combine that with my kubrow's duplex bond 8 doggies on field

[balmy storm]

Are Scaldra gonna be the first enemy type to not show up in the Origin system at all?

[fickle estuary]

Non-Eidolon Revenant abilities be like

1. Throw credits to convince enemy to change sides
2. Cover yourself in ballistic gel
3. Regular Dash
4. Spin while holding laser pointers

[zenith jacinth]

Or proto grendel could be like smough from dark souls...

Evil proto frames?

[balmy storm]

The proto-acolytes?

[near rune]

Honestly Quincy seems like he could turn evil maybe

[brazen cloud]

from vanilla, Ash, Rhino, Loki and Ember are missing after all. and Quincy seems quite on edge for being a team member

[balmy storm]

I do like the idea of some protoframes not being on the side of the hex tbh, maybe siding with Scaldra

[near rune]

Although I think they all have the possibility of turning evil (taken over by hive mind or something). It's implied in Albrecht's notes and their dialogue

[balmy storm]

Don’t leave Frost out
He deserves to be with Ember

[zenith jacinth]

All of those do seem quite fitting for being evil

[brazen cloud]

frost wasnt vanilla, he was the first warframe released however on update 6.0

[fickle estuary]

Doesn't something try to control Arthur when he reaches the Warframe dispenser mouth room or something

[balmy storm]

Maybe that’s why we need to bring out own frames in and how we unlock the proto skins?

[balmy storm]

I know, but let him be with Ember

[brazen cloud]

second frame being Nyx, though Nyx being female Excalibur skin at the time of Vanilla later changed into its own frame when released at same update as frost

[fickle estuary]

Gender-bent skins wouldn't be an terrible idea

[balmy storm]

Brb cooking up a Eleanor is trans theory

[fickle estuary]

Peak fiction if true

[zenith jacinth]

That was originally planned iirc

[balmy storm]

They would be terrible development-wise
The clipping alone

[balmy storm]

REAL

[brazen cloud]

we find out that Rhino is a Samus type deal, just a big buff mommy underneath

[balmy storm]

I think our tenno being able to swap on a whim is fine enough, they’re a truer representation of our identity where as the frames are more so tools/weapons (that we also project our identities onto)

[zenith jacinth]

I've forgotten a couple things when I had to memorize fromsoft lore...

[balmy storm]

Get this person to Rebecca Ford stat

[brazen cloud]

i am across the entire world, cant really do a stat, can we do 2 layovers?

[balmy storm]

Deal

[zenith jacinth]

Samus isn't buff

[balmy storm]

Maybe not buff buff but definitely fit

[brazen cloud]

the other part of the reveal of who Samus is is the point here

[near rune]

Frost isn't actually in the original lineup

[brazen cloud]

[zenith jacinth]

Very late

[balmy storm]

I know 😭
But it’d be a crime to leave him out, fire and ice and all that

[near rune]

Sorry lol, I sent that message like 5 mins ago right as my internet cut out. HVAC contractors tripped the breakers.

[brazen cloud]

everytime someone says Fire and Ice, i keep being reminded to a certain song

[balmy storm]

Oh dang lol

[brazen cloud]

which continues with "deluded or wise, good or bad, sane or mad"

[balmy storm]

Frost and ember protos but they’re whatever this means

[fickle estuary]

Why doesn't Teshin just open the star chart to go back to a relay?? Is he stupid???

[valid jolt]

Nah Teshin prefers retirement

[zenith jacinth]

He hasn't figured out how to open the pause menu yet

[brazen cloud]

song from Savage Circus called "Waltz of the Demon". name surprisingly quite fitting given to the infestation we're called the demon

[balmy storm]

👀 if I remember ima listen to that later

[brazen cloud]

links're banned here iirc so cant exactly post link

[balmy storm]

This is our real power
Compassion who?

[brazen cloud]

can dm you it if you want

[balmy storm]

Sure!

[nocturne kiln]

I think he's done. He's obviously spent some time. It's time to curl up with a duviri rabbit by a fire in his cave and contemplate his life

[fickle estuary]

"How did I get low-diffed by a guy who got his head ripped off by a goat head with no limbs"

[zenith jacinth]

Erra's head is still attached isn't it

[brazen cloud]

Erra, for a seemingly very powerful Sentient, gets crushed real easely by a rock guess Sentient's are scissors

[fickle estuary]

I don't think so? You would be able to see his big ear horn things if that was the case

[near rune]

One of Pazuul's lines kinda says that he got his head ripped off

[zenith jacinth]

I should really start doing archon hunts at some point

[fickle estuary]

Netracells are more profitable anyway

[near rune]

Why only get 1 Archon Shard when you can get 5

[zenith jacinth]

I'm too incompetent for either one

[brazen cloud]

Archon Hunts these days have lots of players that can hardcarry quite easely

[valid jolt]

EDA and Netracells are way easier imo

[zenith jacinth]

Accidentally turned myself into an ash main because I somehow got too used to his movement speed and now I struggle with using my usual survivability frames

[valid jolt]

Archon Hunts just give you 1 shard

[fickle estuary]

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me to finish the Cavia grind

I got them to rank 4 so they wouldn't be grumpy for 1999 but now they are sick

So I have to get 5 sob

[valid jolt]

Make sure to bring tissues

Before getting r5

[zenith jacinth]

I think mine is still at R3 or R2

[brazen cloud]

i did only one Netracell and never did any EDA lol, even though i can bring my Dante and give everyone 55k overguard in a few seconds

[zenith jacinth]

All my syndicates are around R2, not being able to link my former main account made me lose so much progress

[fickle estuary]

I only have Fortuna, Entrati and Arbiters + Suda maxed I think

[valid jolt]

They’re worth the grind. Shards are basically endgame at this point, so having a lot is beneficial

[brazen cloud]

its a good start

[fickle estuary]

Technically Simaris since he only has 1 rank

[brazen cloud]

ik shards are endgame, currently got 4 tauforged oranges and one tauforged azure on my Jade 😄

[zenith jacinth]

I had all the non-relay syndicates except duck maxed

[fickle estuary]

pain

[nocturne kiln]

Every faction but the original six maxed and even then I have Hexis, Suda, Red veil, and Steel Meridian maxed

[fickle estuary]

I have rank 3-4 with everyone expect Conclave, Zariman and Necraloid though

I never could get into Zariman

It just feels too slow for me

[zenith jacinth]

I speedran zariman for that extra room key

Now I can't even consider doing missions there because of it

[fickle estuary]

The Angel Void Plumes make me suffer

1 per mission and some of the weapons need like 15

[zenith jacinth]

Oh ye, I also made all the weapons. That probably did more damage than the syndicate grind

[brazen cloud]

currently considering what would be best shardwise to put on my current main frame, Dagath. kinda using her as a weapon's platform

3 for invincibility and boosted crit damage, and she using combat discipline and arcane avenger for extra crit

and spectral spirit

[fickle estuary]

Also funny story

I hated the Fortuna grind so much but I endured because Xaku needed Gyromags and I really wanted them

But as I was half-way through rank 4

I realised that they changed Little Duck

So you no longer need rank 5 to get them and can just buy them

[zenith jacinth]

I only max out tuna for big gun

[fickle estuary]

Yeah after that I finished it since I was so close anywya

PT is very fun

[zenith jacinth]

I'm actually close to maxing out fortuna again just because I really want big gun

[brazen cloud]

Deimos farm went insanely fast, Fortuna was medium, and to me the cetus farm took ages....

Narmer missions sped up the process massively though, as can turn the narmer tokens in for big rep

i did most of that grind pre narmer after all

[fickle estuary]

Cetus is torture

All the objectives take 19 actual real life hours to do

Like you can do the Fortuna drone in less then a minute

But the Cetus one has to walk through half the goddamn plains

[brazen cloud]

the only saving grace for that is when you have a loki with switch tp

used to work atleast last time i played that

[fickle estuary]

And don't get me started with the caves

They mess up the bounties so bad

I had a bounty that made kill enemies inside the cave to start defending the area

But the new ones spawn on the surface so by the time I got back the sub-objective failed

[brazen cloud]

only time i go on the plains is when i need to grind materials, in which case i just go out with either Loki if low rarity resources (cause basic mining laser cant be silenced and the fortuna one only gets me rare stuff) or Ivara if needing more high rarity stuff with Fortuna mining laser

yeah that part is pain

i tend to pre mark the exit to the cave

[fickle estuary]

The only Fortuna objective that I hate is finding caches inside the Enrichment labs

Literally impossible

The Narmer version is so much easier since they drop from space and you can see them

And aren't in a building

[nova harness]

I'm surprised Proto Volt has enough money to keep using these machines

[brazen cloud]

i wouldnt be surprised if he's powering them himself

using what? static electricity from his socks dragging highspeed across the carpet

[nova harness]

Why does Arthur still have mouldy pizza is it for the infested or something?

[gritty flume]

ok uuhhh let's see

baro obsesses inaros
otak obsesses citrine
ordis obsesses jade

what's it going to be for primes of respective frames tho...

(yes i know inaros prime is already out and when interact with baro, he literally loves you to show inaros prime in front of him)

[bronze glen]

@agile gorge They get their lives back at Rank 5

[agile gorge]

o wait really, woah

that's dope, so they're alive again?

[bronze glen]

This is what they look like after you reach rank 5

[agile gorge]

wow

maybe there's hope for Teshin then

[bronze glen]

Teshin is alive in the void no?

They can pull the same thing again

[agile gorge]

in Duviri, ya

we have hermit Teshin

nice, I hope we get living Teshin back some day. Varzia probably misses him more than anything

[bronze glen]

Holdfasts kind of got a rebirth when you reach Rank 5

You'll get the cutscene as you normally do per rank up

[graceful zodiac]

What happened with the Holdfast cannot apply to Teshin

Given Teshin is a living being, not a CE

[bronze glen]

CE?

[graceful zodiac]

Conceptual Embodiment

[bronze glen]

Ah right

[agile gorge]

wait, but I thought Duviri Teshin was a CE? he died after Erra snapped his neck

[fiery kettle]

oh cool its the same teshin

[agile gorge]

"hermit's landing" kek

but that's cool, so we should be able to drag him out at some point

[bronze glen]

It'd be called Idiot's Landing if I landed there

[quasi ravine]

can someone post a photo of the new caliban cosmetic

[zenith jacinth]

The what

[quasi ravine]

a new outfit for new caliban that looks badass

coming when he gets fixed

[zenith jacinth]

My favorite fashion frame getting some fashion attention? Impossible!

[elder owl]

Kind of wish the mall was a permanent hangout area, it’s fun to chill at

[halcyon gull]

Yea same

[chilly pine]

given that the hex were referred to as a syndicate, its more than likely the mall will be a hub area, course idk if we will be locked to playing as the hex or if we will be able to go there as our own op/frame

[elder owl]

Maybe

[formal grove]

it's been confirmed that we'll be playing as ourselves, though we still don't know if it's purely as our frame or if it'll be as our operator/drifter too

also, does anyone else thing that "we're On-lyne" being repeated a few times at the beginning of the song is a sign that the band genuinely is infested?

I mean, repetition of certain words/phrases is a common thing scammers do

sometimes as an intimidation tactic, but also to try to convince their targets that they're legitimate