spoiler-chat

[nocturne kiln]

not quite

[gusty pebble]

When indiference talks to us its white

[nocturne kiln]

man has a haircut straight out of military school

[gusty pebble]

Not mine its from random video

[valid jolt]

Looks the same to me. Also the Vetruvian man is supposed to represent a lot of things like harmony, divinity, etc

[nocturne kiln]

uh huh

[nocturne kiln]

I see you found the censored version

[valid jolt]

Lol yea

[gusty pebble]

Just because something looks same u cant disregard it as whole

Or take it in same way like

Dont u have any ideas

[nocturne kiln]

its actually proof that he took the form from Albrecht's mind. How would he know to create such a familiar shape if Wally had never seen it before?

[nova harness]

Albrecht da Vinci

[gusty pebble]

Where it says that form taken from albret

[nocturne kiln]

Fine. maybe he got it from the Tenno then

[gusty pebble]

Albrect was supposed to vbe wordplay and inspired from albert eistein

[nocturne kiln]

Point is, he got it from someone

[gusty pebble]

Who created world ending technology*

Ni proof nothing

[nocturne kiln]

what... are you saying because he wasnt named after Divinchi, he could never have heard of the Verturvian man before?

[gusty pebble]

Also this has been his consistent form among others

[nova harness]

That form specifically it doesn’t but there’s currently a 50/50 chance Albrecht created Wally

[gusty pebble]

Yea

Didnt say i disagree but its not set in stone*

[prime lantern]

Does anyone have the Codex entry for all the murmur

One entry talks about why the murder are hands and legs and gunk

[gusty pebble]

No like no proof that was from his mind

In albrechts lab the bluprints or sketches dont have vitruvian form

[nocturne kiln]

Seems more likely he got it from the scientist and inventor than the orphaned warrior

[gusty pebble]

https://youtu.be/nja-B04OTHI?feature=shared

[fleet spruce]

hey guýs
do the Tenno need to drive exotic cars on the open world? That'd be rad ngl

[gusty pebble]

Also u can see the wallman is talking something else and the astral prjection is just gigling

[valid jolt]

My argument is just that Wallys telling us, through that form, that he’s like the perfect entity. And DE making that form look like the Vetruvian Man, which stands for many things such as beauty, harmony, divinity, and etc isn’t a coincidence

[gusty pebble]

Hmmm

Maybe indirect symbolism from de but surely not from wally

[gusty pebble]

Also it was said he embodies the fears

Maybe albrecht hated perfectionism that is ridiculous theory mitw looking like some horrifying creature and u r on about harmony and beuty do u even hear urself

[valid jolt]

Well I did say perfect entity. Harmony kinda goes with that, but I’ll admit beauty might not. I was just naming some of the things that the Vetruvian Man stands for

[gusty pebble]

ALSO Mara is the operators name

[obtuse gyro]

Negative. That is only the internal working name. Much like "vlad" for revenant etc

[gusty pebble]

Like do u think albrecht would make huge as vessels to fight mitw if his real form wasnt big

[obtuse gyro]

Mara is not the operator's canon name

[gusty pebble]

That was when prototyping

[obtuse gyro]

Vlad is still the internal dev name

[gusty pebble]

Ok

[obtuse gyro]

Theres also a tennocon art panel talking about the vitruvian man form

In essence: not wallys true form

[valid jolt]

Mhm

[gusty pebble]

Link

Dude only comes to correct me

Also unum is mysterious af as the wally

I need to find a hxh lore dc

[nocturne kiln]

Wally doesnt have a "true form"

beyond whatever it is that fills the void

You may as well consider him a sentient tidal wave in a vast ocean

[gusty pebble]

Ok

[valid jolt]

It was during 2022 Tennocons Art Panel. They talked about how they changed Keiths( a concept artist who pitched the idea of Wally) original idea to have Wally gather lost Orokin ships or whatever and build his wall out of all the parts and stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Did theg say what they changed it to?

[valid jolt]

No, but I assume they changed it into whatever Wally is now

The conversation about Wally is around 3:16:23 https://www.youtube.com/live/XFwPywEaeeo?si=vUXTPTxtY-SzfVqn

@obtuse gyro

[flat magnet]

Love when people come in with receipts

[valid jolt]

There’s a chance I missed an explanation so feel free to check whenever you have time

[valid jolt]

Lol

[gusty pebble]

https://youtu.be/5sAlypodDFs?feature=shared

15:09

Idc what u say thats his real form yall trolling af

He is literally named onto that metaphysical for my *

Redveil calls him lidles eye

[obtuse gyro]

yeap thats the one

[gusty pebble]

Wth

They said we commited to this form*

16:24

[obtuse gyro]

at no point did we deny that the vitruvian man was a form, what we're saying is that there is no real reason to assume that this is the true form of wally

nor should it be reason to assume it is the final form of wally

[valid jolt]

Yea Wally hasn’t had his Final Shape moment yet

[gusty pebble]

True

[obtuse gyro]

Lets go show this shape that it aint final

[gusty pebble]

Pretty sure de will out think the box for the counter

[valid jolt]

Lol

[obtuse gyro]

regarding this, I would actually think its not so much that he's the perfect entity, rather, he is hinting at what he wants to be

[gusty pebble]

De be like its been u all along

[obtuse gyro]

Because the vitruvian man is really just the human form, and wally wants something that we have

[valid jolt]

That makes sense yea

[gusty pebble]

Yeah 2 leg 4 hands and no face

Kinda radical to be a want of someone

I can see that he has the lotus helmet and operator body reflecting both at the same time

Kinda curious how he looked when the cavia encountered

[obtuse gyro]

void god? no, of the void? yes

nah that looks like jungian quack doodoo. It touches on collective unconsciousness which imo even in warframe isnt really a thing. There can be a collective of people with each their own unconsciousness but a collective unconsciousness? Nah

regarding this, these are colonisation ventures which do not specify what they were. The sending of the zariman was also a colonisation venture, but lacking, well, the colony ship. The Zariman is the only colony ship that we know of

the what is the what is the what? where did you get this from?

[fierce summit]

Ok so that mess is Jungian. I was going to make a snarky comment about it but I was worried I might accidentally get the woo-woo philosopher wrong

[junior vine]

"Our ravaged outer colonies became gardens" unless mine was completely wrong

[obtuse gyro]

finally here!

anyways:
Wally so far can be shoehorned into 2 (or 3) things:

1. A conceptual embodiment from Albrecht that evolved
2. The void pulled into/through the shape/lens of Albrecht into an entity (KIV Albrecht talking about the Undifferentiated Void VS Wally)
3. Some actual entity that existed in the void all this while

[obtuse gyro]

thats colonies within the system, not outside the system

the colonisation ventures refer specifically to extra-solar colonies

[obtuse gyro]

yea the collective unconsciousness bit is tell-tale jungian, its the point of difference that caused beef between jung and freud

Wally doesnt need a collective unconsciousness to be explained, since thus far we can already do so explaining him as interfacing with each consciousness/unconsciousness that he encounters

in more freudian psychoanalytical terms:
The void is like the Id, the great sea of undefined unknown potential
and from that Id comes the ego, which is wally as an entity
and with the Id and ego comes the superego, which is like wally taking a shape that we recognise

so wally saying "kiddo" or "little bengel" are all sorta like superego type things, where the external influence (us on wally) causes wally to behave in a specific manner (such as imitate us)

[obtuse gyro]

similarly, I would posit that 2) is the most interesting, and hopefully the play that DE is going with:

The ego forms from the Id via an external influence and so

Wally (the Ego) would be generated from the Void (the Id) by Albrecht's first chaotic entry into the Void (the external influence).

And thats only my thoughts on how wally began, I have to go deeper into the psychoanalytical rabbit hole to explain what wally wants now

[fleet spruce]

dear DE
can we get a Railjack with a small fighter bay underneath its belly?

[gusty pebble]

:]

[gusty pebble]

Y

[fleet spruce]

because HELL YEA A FLYABLE SMALLER FIGHTER CAN BE LAUNCHED FROM A RAILJACK THAT IS FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE IS AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEE

[undone lodge]

man reinvents the archwing

[fleet spruce]

nah archwing isn't that good for dogfight vro, I need a proper FIGHTER that can fire missile swarms do some cool tricks in space shoot the BRRRRRRRRRR rotary cannons

[errant crown]

uhhhhh

[balmy storm]

He’s referred to as the wall of bones tho iirc

There’s also Walldo

[undone lodge]

Wallace

Mr Waller

[gusty pebble]

What

Mods

@flat shadow

[fading turret]

Lmao what happened?

[nova harness]

Wall man

[junior vine]

Ballas is literally armed and dangerous 🤣🤣🤣

Look at the long arm he got

Why is it that the orokin are blue but then look at us?
The orokin is a race, but they're ranked

[spice sparrow]

It was the latest fad at the time

[junior vine]

Full on tall godlike smurfs

[gusty pebble]

U clearly got a color complex 😂

[gusty pebble]

Its all lost in sauce

U wil never know

[fading turret]

The cheese is under the sauce

[junior vine]

I wasn't talking to you?

[gusty pebble]

This is a common chat

U can actually block or mute

Dude randomly made statement and said clearly not talkin to u omegalul

Parry this u casual

[simple python]

I didn't see that one before. Also your ship is so dark. That's Helminth's room right? Never saw that Wall Taunt before.

Kinda wish returning from sanctum had a better chance of encountering Walter when you returned to the orbiter.

[gusty pebble]

He wouldnt be playful but mad at that poiny ngl

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder how DE will make other faction threatening
More specifically infestation, it could be easy for them by applying some of the murmur's resistance to the infestation but i feel like given that infestation is about swarming the tenno they would make them have not much HP

[valid jolt]

cough Infested Liches cough

[nova harness]

Jade Eximus is already destroying Tenno left and right

[scarlet basalt]

you know how they could make infested even stronger : rework infested ancient

Currently Gameplay wise infested ancient have one of the worst mechanic as they have an issue with their AOE that give overguard
If they're too far they remove the overguard of their allies meaning that they won't be able to get back their overguard
Which make weird things around it, also radiation remove overguard on their allies as they become ennemies

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder if Lorn was ever put into duviri it would go like how Souls like DLC have ennemies that are way harder and tougher.
I mean, it would make sense but also it would be strange in duviri setting given that it's rogue like

[tawdry socket]

Lorn?

[south wigeon]

It is interesting how Ordis briefly goes "INTERESTED" in Jade Shadows at Parvos' offer of a body

also is it unusual that his name is red during a few of his lines?

[tawdry socket]

Sometimes the red name thing happens because of a bug based on previous speaker and the side of the screen

[scarlet basalt]

The Island of Lorn was a desolate and bleak outcrop, shunned by all of Duviri's citizens. It was filled with numerous shrines, leading the Island to be filled with malevolent ghosts, who would scream and harass any nearby denizens.

Unlike other Islands, which were destroyed or cast out by the command of Dominus Thrax, Lorn was instead deliberately exiled by its local citizens. Unable to further tolerate the constant wails of the spirits, they smashed the bridges that linked the Island to the rest of Duviri, and towed it far away using ropes and flying Kaithes.

Before its exile, the numerous shrines that littered Lorn were dismantled and their components hidden by royal order. It is possible to reassemble these shrines, although it's not recommended; their reconstruction risks an outbreak of ghosts, and is an offense punishable by death.

Wtf They are explaining a gameplay mechanic in the lore 😭

Unless those shrine are the one that spawn thraxes

[south wigeon]

I mean that's not new

Hidden Messages straight up references the in-game revive

mods are canon

I'm like 99% sure Alchemy is the explanation to the in-game elemental system and all the questions that come with it

[amber marten]

When did that happen? I played the quest Jade Shadows and that was never mentioned.

[real niche]

It's in Ascension

[amber marten]

Ah, I did one run, but I got to play as le Stalker. So I have no clue what was said. I just jumped in mid round and did slashy slash.

[balmy storm]

Play more, you’ll hear more

[potent vine]

Figured I come here for what I saw in the LF chat in the orbiter and the following text says “tell Jade I ain’t pay that child support”

[nova harness]

Was it someone with a Stalker username?

[steep delta]

people are so mean to Stalker... He needs people to be nice to him

[lunar dock]

But I need Despair from him

Market won't let me buy the Stalker bundle because he dropped everything for me before except Despair

[spice sparrow]

Only if he drops Despair

Got everything else (including War and his ephemera)

[lunar dock]

I dont have War as well

But I have Hate, Ephemera, Dread ×30

Smoke palette too

[spice sparrow]

Don’t forget Blind Justice

(Yes it’s a Stalker drop)

[lunar dock]

[floral condor]

How do I open this?

[ebon mist]

@clear hazel here, ig it was spoilers but the color scheme is like shadow stalker ig

[ebon mist]

U use the camera

Wait nvm u command your brothers to disable it

[clear hazel]

sick!

[nova harness]

Get loided

[balmy storm]

What color order did you use for her energy/belly?

[glossy axle]

kinda wish there was an option for ordis to go back to his little cube hologram over the sentinel-like body he has now

like sure, this allows him to interact with the physical world.... but i miss my square little guy

[nova harness]

Have you tried creator mode?

[glossy axle]

where can i find that? :o

[nova harness]

In options

[ebon mist]

White and red

[balmy storm]

Ty

[ebon mist]

Np!

[fading turret]

Creator mode basically hides everything post Second Dream. You won't see your Operator in transmissions and it will be pre-Apostasy Lotus and pre-New War Ordis.
I assume Teshin also appears normal too

You can still use Operator and Drifter though.

[eternal fox]

sheesh, that quest is something

[fading turret]

Just did Jade Shadoes I take it?

[sonic cedar]

Okay Who gave Wally Jade eximus units? cause its real awkward to turn a courner into a jade unit in the labs.

[valid jolt]

Sometimes lore ≠ gameplay

[sonic cedar]

I know that alas. Its just interesting to think that Wally went "Ooo new shiny thing"

[woeful patio]

Next update i have 100% that will happen something bad with our poor ordis.

[gilded cedar]

I wonder what made DE decided to make Jade Shadows replayable this fast
I'd love that for Veilbreaker and The Duviri Paradox

[rain otter]

i mean they have had a lot of people for this quest.

[nova harness]

They made Whispers replayable too some quests they do it straight away others they make you wait

[valid jolt]

Next update is 1999, so unless we see a(n) Ordan Karris/Ordis living in a 3rd world country, I doubt it

[flat shadow]

Jade was a short quest, so probably easier to make replayable.

[nova harness]

Pretty sure Waverider was replayable day one too

[valid jolt]

What’s Waverider?

[nova harness]

The worst quest about a Warframe that died because they were tired

[valid jolt]

Ohh no wonder I forgot

[woeful patio]

Idk bro i have a feeling that something will happen with ordis im concerned

[terse gyro]

"Fixed post-Jade Shadows Stalker having the incorrect drop tables. This fixes the issue of players being unable to get the War/Broken War Drops from Stalker post-Quest."

I knew it!

Missed opportunity to call him "Light Stalker" after being the "Shadow Stalker" for so long though.

[undone lodge]

Yareli’s quest where you have to do K-drive stuff

[valid jolt]

Let me forget

[woeful patio]

sight... we need to do it anyway right...

[valid jolt]

Nope

Well, the quest itself isn’t required for any other story quests

And there’s a much easier way to get Yareli and it only takes 5 seconds

[near rune]

Since Waverider changes the status quo for the Ventkids (||Grandmother is their landlord now||), it's possible that future Ventkids content would be gated behind Waverider. But if you hated Waverider, you'd hate any hypothetical future Ventkids content anyway.

[valid jolt]

Ventkids is the only Syndicate that I don’t have maxed lol

[near rune]

I've maxed Ventkids but not Quills

[valid jolt]

Don’t the Ventkids only take Medallions?

[near rune]

K Drive races

[valid jolt]

Ohhh

Welp that’s not happening anytime soon lmao

I’ll invest in them some other time

[flat magnet]

Also 1999 predates the orokin empire

[nova harness]

We don’t know that

Warframe doesn’t give a year guide

1999 is just a year

[south wigeon]

We also don't know if Warframe's history is different

[nova harness]

And a place

[south wigeon]

for all we know several radiation wars happened in Warframe's universe by 1999, nothing denies the possibility of alt history. Is it the case? Who knows. But certainly possible.

[nova harness]

We don’t know when the Orokin came to power

[amber marten]

I have, nothing maxed out, various stages of not quite done.

At least as far as Syndicates go.

[tough jasper]

Since Jade is here… Does that mean we now have Warframe mom and a tenno mom?

[south wigeon]

wdym by "a tenno mom"?

[valid jolt]

Lotus

[south wigeon]

Makes sense but I was confused since they said "Since Jade is here"

I suppose Jade could count as Warframe mom, maybe only if you stretch it tho

[shell mortar]

Am I missing something? I can't see the "Brutus" node where Jade is supposed to drop

[flat shadow]

Have you finished the quest?

[shell mortar]

Yes

[flat shadow]

Ok, give me a moment

[nova harness]

Click Operation belly of the beast

It’s right there

[shell mortar]

Is that node dropping any parts? I've done it quite a few times already and haven't seen anything drop yet besides the resources

[flat shadow]

There was a bug that was preventing parts from dropping, but that has been fixed.

[nova harness]

The recourses drop the motes to buy the parts missions have a chance to drop them

[shell mortar]

Alright, I'll just keep grinding then. Thanks

[flat shadow]

It's a 5% chance for each bp to drop, iirc. So don't be surprised if you have to run a lot of them.

[shell mortar]

I'm dumb, confirmed 😄

[lusty basin]

So, we officially have the name for green Stalker

Protector Stalker

Dude has 180'd

Still, I liked Enlightened Stalker better...

But suppose that means that he's officially switched from our judge/jury/executioner to someone who aligns with us more, like Kahl.

[nova harness]

Not necessarily

The enemy of my enemy is a friend but still an enemy

He helps us protect his place for personal reasons

[covert tree]

Wait where the infested just vibing in new war or atleast not at all bothered

They obviously wouldn't help but still

[spice sparrow]

The real answer is that New War was written before the Entrati came into the picture

[lusty basin]

More bad takes 🤣

[spice sparrow]

The in-universe reason is that ain’t no one 🦆ing around with the Infestation, especially given how it went last time

[midnight radish]

The infested watching legions of murex ships lay waste to the origin system

[covert tree]

You can't vail the virus

[lusty basin]

Wait a minute though...

The infested can be hit with the neural sentry

And the Veils are possibly based in part from the Neural Sentry design to link into the brain

Though, I don't think it is just all that viable

Who's going to go in and veil some infested?

And yes, the infested colony itself can't be hit by it. Just the infested hosts.

[chilly pine]

isnt it only the ancients that can be taken by the nerual sentry?

[amber marten]

Void touched Ancients end up looking like Sentry Ancients from the Orokin Tower ships. So the process is there. Even lower form infested become void touched too.

[lusty basin]

But yeah, I get what was meant, can't veil the goop itself that infests, just the hosts, and that doesn't seem like it'd really beneficial towards Narmer's goals

Unless if veiling the Zealoids...

Tireless workers

[hoary sentinel]

I came here to say: Devs, please, let me adopt Stalker's son

[nova harness]

He already has a parent in his life he doesn’t need another

[lusty basin]

Probably going to have a caretaker when he's not there

Acolyte babysitters

[granite juniper]

Anyone else having issues with the jade prex not showing in their decorations..

[worldly minnow]

so, parvos granum deadnaming ordis, whats up with that

[steep delta]

There needs to be an emote that's a BallasPing emote but in the style of the Single Burning Memory quote

Wonder how that would work though

And where do I suggest it

[nova harness]

He knew Ordis when he was Ordan Parvos is super old after all that’s all

[spice sparrow]

Ordan Karris stuff is found by scanning blue spheres in missions

TL;DR: Ordis commited tons of genocides as a mercenary so he could kill Orokin

It didn’t work so Ballas glasses him and turned him into a Cephalon

[valid jolt]

Ordan Karris was also famous for his reputation

Basically Warframes version of Kratos before Gow4/5 lol

[uncut ocean]

I think its really interesting that DE has had the last two update's conflicts centered around Parvos and a Cephalon, do y'all think that could lead somewhere storywise?
I know that Parvos' whole thing was being against being a cog in a machine and forging your own path, but it's starting to seem a little less coincidental, especially with Parvos hinting at Ordis getting his body back in the new Operation

[spice sparrow]

Parvos just keeps having beef with Cephalons

[thick jolt]

Cephalons are pretty literally relics of the orokin empire

For someone trying to amass power and knowledge like parvos to try and interact with said relics is pretty natural to me

[spice sparrow]

Update 36.5 will introduce Parvos Simaris beef

[rain otter]

Also both of the cephalons where very connected to warframes and the tenno.

[nova harness]

Parvos just has beef with people in general

[chilly pine]

parvos, like the other faction leaders, are after warframes. atleast thats what it seems like from both missions. i feel tho with him getting so much mainline attention now, hes going to play a bigger part in the main story this arc

[supple dagger]

“Hunter, go kill that insolent Parvos, and I will add him to the Sanctuary”

[gusty pebble]

How did parvos escape did he ?

Also did ordis say he is interested in the parvis offer whaaa

[nova harness]

No he said he didn’t believe him then doesn’t believe him now

[gusty pebble]

No

He says interested

And i am working rn

Ive been slaving away in the event so trust me ik

[nova harness]

So have I

[gusty pebble]

That was for how he is carrying legacy

Also we already have the eximus

What is it about he is saying whole eximus

[gusty pebble]

I can guarantee this voiceline

Ill bet 100p

[nova harness]

Ordis is- INTERESTED- TRYING to do his job, Granum! Leave Ordis in peace."

Incorrect and correct

Ordis says things he doesn’t mean all the time

There’s a reason his old pfp had a crack in it

[lusty basin]

His Ordan half pops in time to time

Residuals

[nova harness]

Many things Ordis says can be taken with a grain of salt

[lusty basin]

Tempted but not swayed is a thing

There are gray areas, there need not be is or is not always

Also, Ordan never wanted to be immortal, so the deeper voice being tempted to become a man again falls in line

[gusty pebble]

Nah mostly it aligns with what he says

Here it alligns like he is interested but in his job rn

Afaik most lines of his doesnt contradict each other like in meaning its just a matter of delicacy in how they present the fact

[lusty basin]

I get where you are coming from, but he does have a duality too

But yeah, both are being honest

[gusty pebble]

Proof

[lusty basin]

I never said he contradicted, just that both sides are being honest

[gusty pebble]

Ye

The message was supposed to come after proof but yea

Duality is on loid and otak

This is suppression coming off or corruption

[lusty basin]

When his voice gets violent, assume he's channeling residual Ordan

[gusty pebble]

Maybe

[lusty basin]

If not a flanderized version of him

[gusty pebble]

Dude was a mercenary with honor he killed orokin on a party for him

IG

[lusty basin]

He was afraid of Ordan resurfacing

[gusty pebble]

maybe

[lusty basin]

But I think it is his precepts suppressing him

Cephalon fragments tell that bit of lore

[gusty pebble]

Idk how he will be if he got off suppression

[lusty basin]

I think he would tbh

[gusty pebble]

Also can someone give like a clear picture and whole picture of this

[lusty basin]

We finished his mission

[gusty pebble]

Same but yk how story writers do for plot

[gusty pebble]

It had sketches of protoframes

On all or most

Was on tennocon 23

Ping me or dm pls

[gusty pebble]

I think same

But yk how wf is about trauma and hed definitely have ptsd

[supple dagger]

I think I see harrow

[gusty pebble]

I see ember chroma ivara

Others no idea

I have a bit of a video but

Its not clear

If there is someone who went to tennocon and took clear pics pls dm tysm

2023

[thick jolt]

Those arent protoframes

Its a fanart trend from before 1999 was even a thing

Their offices are filled with fanart

https://www.warframe.com/news/community-spotlight-karu

This post is from 2019

[lusty basin]

Thought it looked fanart

[thick jolt]

Yup

[lusty basin]

Honestly, proto frames are likely to limit to the original 8

[thick jolt]

Next thing you know he will come saying that the hollowknight x warframe fanart in the devshorts background is proof there will be a crossover or smth

[thick jolt]

I think it will be just the current starter trio

[gusty pebble]

Thank u

[lusty basin]

Oh no.

[gusty pebble]

It was

But it was like on display for tennocon 2023

Pretty sure its related now

Also it had more than what is on that post they have been doing more

Still if anyone find the tennocons one lmk

[thick jolt]

The fans did more as more warframes came out? You dont say?!

[gusty pebble]

It was on tennocon display

What r u on about

[gusty pebble]

Even ryt or wrong its not about u mf

Im lf it

In mine u can see chroma has been updated

And the art style is similar leading to the conclusion same person did it

[supple dagger]

oh it’s fanart?
oh well

[gusty pebble]

I want them to draw xaku

and stalker

[lusty basin]

Wait, I think I remember these on a PrimeTime highlight, yeah

[gusty pebble]

[gusty pebble]

Its been on display since 2019

[balmy storm]

How would that work when Xaku is literally 3 people frankensteined together-

[gusty pebble]

Hence y i am curious

[supple dagger]

[balmy storm]

This is fanart btw

[gusty pebble]

massivelyop.com/2019/07/10/tennocon-2019-take-a-visual-stroll-through-tennocon-and-its-museum/

[gusty pebble]

Displayed in tennocon

[balmy storm]

Xaku wouldn’t really work as a protoframe due to that though, they could just make them nonbinary but their abilities fall apart if applied to a more normal human

[gusty pebble]

Like nidus is there

[balmy storm]

Yes, they display fan art lol

[lusty basin]

They have a fanart section

[gusty pebble]

Who cares i want

To see all

[balmy storm]

The fan made idea of human head frames undoubtedly inspired protoframes

[gusty pebble]

Wf is a unique game

It doesnt matter what or how they will blow our mind

Even with broken game we will play

[balmy storm]

Eh, there’s absolutely a line they could cross where I wouldn’t play

We haven’t reached it but I’ll know it when we get there, if we get there

[valid jolt]

What line is that if you don’t mind me asking?

[balmy storm]

When the concepts and gameplay feels too far removed from what we have I guess, idk what exactly it’d be cause idk how they could get there or what it is but it’s the kind of thing I’ll know when I see

[gusty pebble]

Seems initial

[lusty basin]

For me it'd be reverting back to 2014 Warframe.

[supple dagger]

there are a few lines DE could cross that’d make me stop playing lol

[gusty pebble]

Haha

Id welcome a doover

I wasnt in on the 2014 wf or those stuff

[balmy storm]

Very cool fanart

[gusty pebble]

This seems to be the initial draft

[lusty basin]

We've come a long way

[balmy storm]

It’s fan art not a draft

[gusty pebble]

Lavos look creepy af

[gusty pebble]

Bruv

[lusty basin]

I still remember when abilities were mods

[gusty pebble]

U have no brain

[obtuse gyro]

lets not turn to insults

[balmy storm]

You haven’t provided any evidence it isn’t anything more than fan art.

[gusty pebble]

Latest version

[gusty pebble]

Y do i have to

[balmy storm]

Be mean or insult me it won’t change this isn’t official, it’s really cool but it isn’t official

[gusty pebble]

For what

So

[balmy storm]

Because you’re making the claim it’s official, no?

[valid jolt]

That’s fair. The only things that’ll make me quit is if the game gets either p2w or if the story takes a wrong turn

[gusty pebble]

Whence

[balmy storm]

Those are def the lines for me too

[valid jolt]

No Gauss:/

[gusty pebble]

I said displayed at tennocon

[obtuse gyro]

more than that, you've claimed its of the protoframes, which it isnt. That excal drawn there isnt even reminiscent of Arthur

[gusty pebble]

I never said offl or any

[balmy storm]

Had you not implied that?
Apologies if so

[gusty pebble]

^

[balmy storm]

I’m aware they were displayed at tennocon, they are fan art, DE likes to display fan art
Both in game and outside of the game

[gusty pebble]

Ok

[gusty pebble]

I never claimed i even said sketches

Also sketch means b&w

It makes whole thing invalid u guys need to be so specific in every bs

[gusty pebble]

U just waan strike me down every chance u get u fr bullyin lol

[obtuse gyro]

yea and you said "protoframes"

[lusty basin]

Can we move on? This is getting needlessly messy

[gusty pebble]

I said i wanted to see something that was on tennocon

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[gusty pebble]

Ye

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, youre not the special chosen target here. If there's a thing that needs sharpening or correcting, then it should be sharpened or correct.You've just had a streak of correcting

[gusty pebble]

Ok

Ill c

She did do xaku

They look orokin cz of the blu

Xaku looks weird at the very least

[balmy storm]

Warframes if they were human and Orokin
aka if they all sucked

[lusty basin]

Anywho, can't wait for Tennocon reveals

Hope they reveal the infested liches

Maybe reveal the WF 1999 frame too

There's this feels bad moment when building Jade, and there's that line of "both is and isn't" from Ordis

[tough jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

Where’s mah boi Sevagoth?

[lusty basin]

That reminds me... Next year we should be getting sevagoth prime

Looking forward to that

I hope DE expands upon the Stalker mode this event introduced, pretty neat imo

[valid jolt]

Ohh yea I forgot there’s a new frame coming in 1999

Praying for a heavy artillery frame but DE probably has other plans

[woeful patio]

this umbra is just.... dayumn..

[nocturne kiln]

Why does Ordis care so much about Jade? We've never seen him act like this before

[woeful patio]

guilty

he do have alot knowledge about warframes and medical care, the simple fact he was not able to save her or help her at all kinda hurts him, you can see it with the dialogues on larunda and with parvos

you also can see ordis rage awakening whem parvos say he wanted to use jade corpse to profit or experiments

this is where we remember that ordis is ordan

[lusty basin]

Well, not just guilt but also kindred connection, being another who was ruined by Orokin cruelty

[woeful patio]

ordis has a serious paternal aura... i wonders if whem he was ordan

he had a child or someone he cared alot

[lusty basin]

Hm... not sure, but not impossible. We don't know too much about Ordan, not on a personal level I don't think. We know he had a terminal illness, and that he was tormented by his actions as a mercenary

[woeful patio]

seeing ordis breaking down everytime he talks with parvos hurts me... we hugged a fish, why we cant hug our long date conpaniom!?

[lusty basin]

Right? He has a physical avatar now too

[obtuse gyro]

Yall acting like your operator/drifter dont hug ordis to sleep

and he wriggles out to waltz around the orbitor like a fat cat

[nocturne kiln]

Would make more sense if he was a close friend or a family member of hers. Perhaps an ex or a close work colleage. ...do i dare to hope he was the godfather? Any of these would make more sense than mere guilt

[nocturne kiln]

But his primary body is the orbiter??

[lusty basin]

Well, now that I think about it, I wonder if Low Guardian was a similar position to what Ordan was.

[thick jolt]

ordan didnt have a position

he was a mercenary

[nocturne kiln]

Not even close. Ordan Kerris was a frelancer. assassin/mercenary for higher. He pretty much won the Orokin's favor by being a good deal for them

This is also why he was so angry with them, how they lived by a code that he and those he took under him found abhorent, intolerable

[lusty basin]

Fair enough, though it makes one wonder if there was anyone actually "free" during Orokin reign.

[nocturne kiln]

Why the Orokin of course

Or at least any that cared to subjugate the other orokin as oposed to being the ones subjugated

[lusty basin]

In that case, The Seven

[nocturne kiln]

The closest you get beyond that is anyone in the "for hire" buisness

[woeful patio]

idk what was a worse fait, keeping with the orokin or with the corpus...

[nocturne kiln]

The corpus are at least a merit based Copratocracy. Nef Anyo was an orphan born from a streetwalker, the lowest of the low

Now look at him! Making sure noone else like that could ever threaten his position.... An ispiration to us all

[woeful patio]

talking about nef.... i wonders how nef anyo is now that his pops return

[nocturne kiln]

Well, given his "pops" disowned him publicly...

[lusty basin]

Nef Anyo...

[woeful patio]

i wonders if his chunk body is actually a cape... imagine one day he throw that aside and he actuallly got a black alloy shinny corpus muscular body

[lusty basin]

He's pretty much in ruins. Even his debt-slave colony got grabbed by Narmer for a time, and the planetary regulator isn't working so well anymore.

Actually, have we even heard from him since that incident..?

[nocturne kiln]

Oh yeah, no Parvos was pissed. "You want to use my name, my work, my achievements to take control of the Corpus? Nepotism rather than the results of honest effort... You are no heir of mine."

[woeful patio]

every place has been taken by narmer except the hellhole.

this one was completely forgotten even by the sentients

[nocturne kiln]

He's essentially too busy trying to keep his place than have time to deal with us

[lusty basin]

And now Narmer is out for one of his beloved Orb Mothers

[woeful patio]

orb mothers?

[lusty basin]

Like Exploiter Orb

[nocturne kiln]

Like Jade's orb

[woeful patio]

a the massive headcrab

[lusty basin]

Yup, those

Particularly the third one that we've yet to fight

I like to imagine that Nef Anyo has just fallen into a state of depression, or hiding under his bed in fear of Parvos

[woeful patio]

starting to feel a lil bad for him

like nef is a ahole? yeah but he was not that bad

kinda a cool guy but still need to keep acorpus behavior

[nocturne kiln]

....The guy keeps other people's brains in jars on a shelf untill thier family can pay him

I have no sympathy

[thick jolt]

I like to imagine that the pazuul drone besides the third orb is just constantly sending the age of empires "wololo" mp3 to the orb

[woeful patio]

pazuul.... seeing pazuul mocking lotus is the most sinblings moment possible

[lusty basin]

Strong agree.

Not to mention using those same debt slaves to be sacrificed to the Void.

You constantly hear their pained and horrified screams when you go to any Corpus ship tileset

[nocturne kiln]

He harvests thier organs and replaces them with thier decapitated head while making them pay for thier own lifesupport

[lusty basin]

He's actually really up there on the bad guy scale

[woeful patio]

normal corpus behavior ngl

[nocturne kiln]

He cuts off your limbs if you cant pay and sells them to corpus who have been injured on the jobs he makes them do, so he can overcharge them for a replacement

[lusty basin]

Corpus are bad, but that is only in a broad stroke, there are those that have friendly trade relations with the Ostrons, for example.

They can get along just fine. It kinda depends on what segment you are dealing with.

[woeful patio]

" BUY OUR SHINY STICKS!!!!!! "

yeah...

[lusty basin]

Heck, we've seen examples of Corpus higher ups having a moral compass.

Just... not Nef Anyo or Alad V

Latter getting demoted and shunned

Dang gremlin V

[woeful patio]

poor captain xeto... parvos was watching her... i wonders what happened with her...

[lusty basin]

I don't know, she might not be treated too severely.

[woeful patio]

what if she...

[lusty basin]

She was acting mostly to her own curiosity.

[woeful patio]

if she got punished we must start a rescue mission to save her on scarlet spear level.

[lusty basin]

Depends on where they plan to go with her, or to give her a one-shot role

[woeful patio]

they better not harm xeto.

she is too good to be harmed.

[lusty basin]

I'd be for a followup personally, if this was some changing experience

[nocturne kiln]

That stupid woman gave up the child of the Stalker with her bosses in conference call with her. Mind you, she had no idea if the tenno hunter had his own baby. or even had good intentions for the baby.

[nocturne kiln]

I want her to be made an example

Oop, someone tried to link another discord

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-girl-turning-roblox-roblox-girl-woman-face-roblox-woman-face-gif-27543985

you crossing a dangerous line bro.

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/kayy-gendo-ikari-ikari-gendo-gendo-evangelion-gif-27146094

Am I supposed to be torn up over a one off character that dresses like she's from The Hunger Games?

[lusty basin]

It was easy to read in his body language how he was cradling the infant that he was protective. Honestly, she may have felt some familiarity in it. A reminder that Corpus are also still human by the end of the day, a group, not a species.

[woeful patio]

not ironically this is supposed to be the most advanced corpus space suit....

[nocturne kiln]

Explain that hair then

[woeful patio]

atleast she got hair...

instead of a goofy looking swimm cap

[lusty basin]

You know, until Corpus started having hair, I thought they were all incapable of growing any hair. Hence the marker moustaches and such.

[nocturne kiln]

She doesnt even have a picture on her wiki page

[nocturne kiln]

corporate tatoo culture

[woeful patio]

male corpus hair style.... i'm rlly rlly curious to know whatit looks like

[nocturne kiln]

oh you will have ish you hadnt said that

[woeful patio]

show me.

i can bear it.

[woeful patio]

veso... the man

the legend

the beast with short eyebrowns

[nocturne kiln]

But not the only man

[woeful patio]

OMG WHY HE GOT A GOOFY GISH EYES

[nocturne kiln]

Corpus target. this hairstyle is widespread

[lusty basin]

He's sleepy, leave him alone, he was on a conference call all night long.

[fierce summit]

Dude's zonked out on Argon Crystals. That's why you sometimes have to catch him in the void

[woeful patio]

fair enough

[lusty basin]

That's why they argon.

[nocturne kiln]

Alternatively, We have this hairstyle: The Squidward

[woeful patio]

hahah.... he always think he can get away from me.

[lusty basin]

"Parvos Granum, those meanie meanie Tenno won't get my lucky coin!" spawns in a mission with Tenno "Oh."

[woeful patio]

the last thing he saw

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[lusty basin]

Honestly, these guys just set themselves up for a fall, so can't really feel bad for them.

How hard is it to just shut up and sneak?

"My PRECIOUS!" "What's that?"

[woeful patio]

they could keep on their holes, pressing buttoms and acting nothing is happening but nooh, they need to scream to all radios he is running with coins

[nocturne kiln]

"I dont get paid enough to deal with this..."

[lusty basin]

🤣

[nocturne kiln]

Also, I see they cut the gym membership from the company health plan

Them arms are Sticc

[lusty basin]

Sticks

[woeful patio]

" what they want me to do?, throw hands with that thing? "

[nocturne kiln]

"That thing would cut off my hand and throw it at me."

[woeful patio]

"this dude killed half of this damn ship crew, i'm not leaving."

[lusty basin]

"Just sit back and let them do their thing, and then they'll just... leave."

Honestly, these are the smart ones

[woeful patio]

they are the most pure representation of this meme

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[lusty basin]

They are the ones that have learned how to survive a Tenno encounter

[woeful patio]

"dont look, dont move, just mind your business, any visual contact will means in a painfull and bloody death"-corpus human resources agent

[nocturne kiln]

"Tell Sheryl that Im taking my 10 minute break."

[steep delta]

Lmao

[lusty basin]

About as long as it takes the Tenno to clear through

[pliant tusk]

How do I summon my spectator?

[lusty basin]

I love that you call it a spectator

[pliant tusk]

But that’s what it’s called. What do you mean?

[lusty basin]

Specter, unless you want to summon somebody to sit and watch you kill stuff. 🤣

"Witness me, spectator!"

But seriously, you have to put it in your gear

Through your arsenal

[obtuse gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/witness-the-witness-destiny-2-destiny-2-the-witness-destiny-2-witness-gif-7233738735024922416

[pliant tusk]

lol

I’m about to use it because I have no clue what it does

[obtuse gyro]

like which spectre?

[pliant tusk]

I have another question now why is my sword changing color?

[obtuse gyro]

you changed your weapon colours no?

[pliant tusk]

No, they did that on their own. They’re supposed to be normal fire

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, your sword colours is matching your shield colours, this means that it was set to pink on your colour menu

[pliant tusk]

How do I use my color menu?

[obtuse gyro]

go to arsenal, go to your weapon, go to appearance

[pliant tusk]

Why is my spectator better at fighting than me?

[gusty pebble]

Radiatio

[pliant tusk]

I’m resetting my weapons color and it’s not fixing it

[obtuse gyro]

do you have any colourblind mode on?

[pliant tusk]

No

[obtuse gyro]

weird, oh well just changed the energy colour to your fire you so desire

[pliant tusk]

I don’t have that color unlocked

[obtuse gyro]

standard pallet orange?

[pliant tusk]

This is not normal my kind sir

[gusty pebble]

What this mean "i killed him isaah"

I think u have modded for radiation

I remember it bein the default for rad

Blud dont listen smh

[steep delta]

What is the process for creating a Cephalon?

Wasn't it explained in glassmaker?

[nova harness]

Operator went into Umbras mind the infested madness made Umbra kill Issah

So they felt it

[gusty pebble]

Who is isssah

[lusty basin]

And Wally capitalizes on the trauma

Umbra's son

[gusty pebble]

Oh

[gusty pebble]

Idk

Maybe he eats negative feelings or he thrives off it

[junior vine]

I wish the people who have completed both tnw and tdp had the new teshin design for the relay

And steel path coms

[nova harness]

It wouldn’t make sense for us to get Duviri Teshin on comms

[lusty basin]

On this we agree

He's pretty well stuck there, you'd be better to just have a replacement for him

Since Holo-Teshin is all that's left

[gusty pebble]

Varzia can take the reins

[gusty pebble]

Whats the lore on wraith variants

Its basically a music video y did it get deleted lmao

[nova harness]

It’s not Warframe related

[gusty pebble]

Ok

[nova harness]

Wraith weapons don’t have lore

They are more gameplay related

[near rune]

Based on the colour scheme, Wraith weapons look like they come from Red Veil (see the Rakta syandana), but that doesn't really make sense given they're handed out as mission rewards. Plus they predate Red Veil being in the game.

[lusty basin]

And what is Ceti? They just are, pretty much

[balmy badger]

Ceti is just a reference to Tau Ceti, the IRL star the Tau system is referencing.

[lusty basin]

Yes, but in terms of variants, there's no deeper lore.

Also seems operation weapon variants have kinda been abandoned

But, Wraith is typically Grineer, Vandal is typically Corpus

Outliers exist, Braton Vandal (but the Braton was considered Corpus back then IIRC) and Lato Vandal

[near rune]

Latron Wraith (Latron is a Tenno weapon)

Strun Wraith (same)

[near rune]

The most recent event weapon was the Ceti Lacera with Operation: Scarlet Spear. Since and including Scarlet Spear, DE figured that players like arcanes better than weapons, so each major event since has had the arcanes (and, to be fair, the Ceti Lacera as well).

[lusty basin]

I miss Operation weapons

[lusty basin]

There's several weapons I wish we could have a variant of

Yes, Stug is one of them

[nova harness]

Stug Prime when?

[spice sparrow]

Kuva Stug

[lusty basin]

🤣 Prisma Kuva Ceti Stug Incarnon Vandal Wraith Prime

[nova harness]

Stug wraith

[lusty basin]

Honestly would accept Kuva or Wraith at this point

Also Furis Prime and Nami Solo prime

[onyx vapor]

World's first umbra weapon variant, Umbra Stug

[valid jolt]

Anyone else hear the leaks of 1999?

[nova harness]

No but you can’t mention leaks in this server

[flat shadow]

No leaks here. Thank you!

[thick jolt]

I'm gonna guess it's more of the people who think that the human frame fanart from 2019 is actually concept art of 1999

[gusty pebble]

No one thinks

[valid jolt]

No lol

[gusty pebble]

Y r u hung up on dat

[valid jolt]

It’s something wayyy more crazier

[gusty pebble]

Check dm my guy

https://tenor.com/view/envelope-here-give-give-envelope-billions-gif-11764269

[muted zephyr]

How many volatile motes are needed to reach 100% in the belly of the beast operation?

[thick jolt]

Noone knows

Also its a community effort so you dont need to worry about it eventually it will be completed

[gusty pebble]

I know

Basically just the legendary arcanes are around 5760

And the others in total didnt exceed that when i did calculations

So around 11k should be safe for u

Ah u meant the community goal

No idea de has the secret recipe

[real niche]

This is also implying they can't just budge the number to whatever they want (they've done it before)

[gusty pebble]

Wdym

[thick jolt]

DE could just go in their system and nudge the numbers in either direction they want

[near rune]

Did you know the first time there was an event with a community goal (Operation: Sling-Stone), DE thought the community would fail?

Also the failure results would have been half resources across all missions. Very good they never had it happen lol.

[thick jolt]

Only one that got stuck in my memory is when the community realised DE was serious about balor formorians destroying relays

[near rune]

Operation: Eyes of Blight certainly had a story to it. Vesper Relay got attacked 4 or 5 times and fended off the Fomorians right up until the end.

[nova harness]

Then some goober shook another goobers hand and it failed to be defended

[muted zephyr]

So it's not per person?

[nova harness]

No

[thick jolt]

No

[muted zephyr]

Thank goodness

[junior vine]

You do know that duviri teshin is the same teshin we had in our system right?
The Veil he had on is literally in the cave

[nova harness]

And he’s not in Origin System

So far there’s only one way to communicate between the 2 and that’s called going in person

Or having Zariman

[bronze glen]

The new Stalker is called the Protector Stalker

[nova harness]

Indeed

He hasn’t got a non placeholder image yet

[frail meadow]

So what's the deal with Protector Stalker?

He spawned once for me but i didn't see him anywhere so I dunno if he drops something or if he even fights

[spice sparrow]

Same as regular Stalker but he has a kid now

If you have Jade in the squad he’ll instantly dip

[frail meadow]

Oh then that's probably what happened

Thanks

[nova harness]

And toothpaste on his face

[lunar dock]

Had this happen but we actually killed him faster than he could dip so we still got his drops damn you Dread no.31 but it was cool to see.

[sweet spade]

In light of recent events (specifically Ordis's dialogue in Belly of the Beast), does anyone else want Ordis to become Ordan Karris again?

I would imagine this being a choice in the future, in which we can either:

-"Fix" Ordis, and erase all remnants of Ordan
-Keep Ordis how he is
-Fix Ordis, while restoring all of his old memories as Ordan. Thus reverting him back to Ordan.

[solar spoke]

Ordan warframe

or ordis necramech

[real niche]

Ordis really doesn't seem like he wants to remember what happened during his time as Ordan

[solar spoke]

true. however he does want to change

Ordis is INTERESTED trying to do his job

[lusty basin]

Ordis needs to face his past in a healthy way, it is part of what is messing him up... Really think it needs to be a quest, maybe a short one

[solar spoke]

quest where we play as ordan would be dope asf

[lusty basin]

Yeah, it would be

[solar spoke]

Also would give an insight to what the tenno did during the old war

[lusty basin]

Oh yeah, we still don't know the exact details ic

Do we?

But Ordan attempted what we did before us

As strong and skilled as he was, he was just one guy

[junior vine]

And just like the drifter he can leave through the gate that makes him to the Zariman

[solar spoke]

He was 1 dude who actually succeeded

only dude outside of the drifter that could probably go toe to toe with a warframe

[nova harness]

No, he can’t

[solar spoke]

operator can't access the dormizone iirc

[nova harness]

Not since Duviri released

[solar spoke]

yup

[nova harness]

They changed it idk you didn’t accidentally try and enter with one and have to swap then go back

[mossy plover]

Idk what you mean. I just beat New War and I can go to the Dormizone (i think?) It lets me go to my childhood apartment in the Zariman and that connects to Duviri

[nova harness]

It automatically switches you to Drifter

[gusty pebble]

Oh

Never noticed that

[mossy plover]

question: wtf is this?

[gusty pebble]

Skin

Probably some infested lich tease

Or just cosmetic

[craggy solstice]

I believe thats a sentinel skin from the zariman.

[cobalt hedge]

its a botanical drone

these are the reason for the green stuff on the zariman

[fierce summit]

It even has a name; iirc Hombask will talk to it as an idle line if you're nearby when the two are close

[fierce summit]

Found the page! The one in the Chrysalith that you took a picture of is named Primm
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/VERD-IE

[mossy plover]

oh ok, so I assume they're some kind of Orokin monstrosity made of robotics and plant life? or maybe it's just a normal robot that has plants growing on it

[valid jolt]

A normal robot that just waters the plants in the Zariman lol

[gusty pebble]

Like they made the sentient

[mossy plover]

it's giving 'what if bulbasaur was a warframe'

[valid jolt]

Orokin aren’t that evil to make a plant waterer evil

[gusty pebble]

Cant c y they cant make this

[gusty pebble]

They can they are just scared

[mossy plover]

we need a minigame where we transfer into the botanical drones and water the plants

[balmy storm]

I wonder if they were designed to be flying potted plants or if the vegetation just grew over time into them
Hope it didnt disrupt any of their systems

[nocturne kiln]

Part gardening robot, part floating planter (so its presence wasnt seen as annoying. instead, its just part of the garden)

[valid jolt]

https://youtu.be/Xwng73652DI?si=N23qtKsa-yOxb6E2

Stallord just dropped

[warm anvil]

plant maintenance drone is my guess

or a fish if u want it to be

[balmy storm]

That is what it is, all the foliage aboard the Zariman only exists cause of those lil bots

[sleek tangle]

Botanist sentinel

[junior vine]

Whos Bob again?

[mossy plover]

ur uncle? idk it's some old Corpus slang

[nocturne kiln]

Belly Of the Beast
Bob

[nocturne kiln]

Her appearance has been dominating the top five threads of her feedback section of the forums for a week now

[balmy storm]

I don't see why people are complaining tbh

just feels like people who are unnecessarily uncomfortable with pregnancy, despite the fact that its just visual and the frame we use isn't pregnant

[nocturne kiln]

Is and isnt, thanks eternalism. And the word unnecessarily uncomfortable kinda makes it sounds like they're choosing to be, which I think is a bit disingenuous.

[nova harness]

This is from a petition to change it

Many of us admire and appreciate the unique characters in Warframe, a game developed by DigitalExtreme. Among them is the latest warframe, Jade. The developers have invested time and thought into Jade's character design, linking her physical appearance of pregnancy to her backstory. However, as players and fans, this design has unintentionally caused unease and distress within our community.

The current design of Jade, being pregnant, has generated emotional responses, especially among those who have experienced personal traumas related to childbearing or loss. This portrayal serves as a constant reminder of these difficult experiences. Additionally, the general consensus among various individuals is that it is a morally questionable decision to actively place a pregnant character in a combat setting by choice. While a character's backstory is crucial, such overt physical manifestations in the playable versions appear unnecessary and insensitive to those dealing with similar real-world issues.

[balmy storm]

Okay I can see how it’d be seen as problematic now with the last bit, it’d be nice if they could better explain that the Warframe we use is different by the symbolism is already there so
Yeah idk, it’s a rougher situation than I realized

[balmy storm]

Eternalism has nothing to do with it
But yeah I realize now that I’m being disingenuous about it, I didn’t really consider the real life aspect of it and I should’ve

Before it did just seem like people just being grossed out about it, now it seems larger than that

[nocturne kiln]

In game dialogue speaks for itself

[balmy storm]

It’s not eternalism but okay

It is and isn’t because it’s a copy we made of her, a copy or clone both is and isn’t that individual

[nova harness]

DE does give a trigger warning with the quest

[balmy storm]

There’s no void weirdness, no eternalism

[nocturne kiln]

And it only seems larger the more people find out that there are other people who share the same opinion and that talking about how they feel civily wont get them banned like theyre in the helldiver's community

[balmy storm]

They do, so they understand its sensitive
But I can understand how it’d be problematic to put a character who if nothing else symbolizes pregnancy in intense combat situations as problematic

[nocturne kiln]

The most Im seeing on the forums is that they want the belly to be a toggle auxilary, to be used at one's own discretion, not for the immagery to be completely removed. Sounds like a reasonable request to me

[balmy storm]

I agree with that actually

Cause to me the belly, while yes symbolizes the pregnancy, is just her containment unit for her jade light

[nocturne kiln]

The other side of the discussion on those same threads seem to be.... far less friendly. Lots of "You need to grow up" and "Pregnant women are in real battlefields so get over yourselves." Personally I dont want to see them in real battlefields either.... Oh hey, a veteran mentioned them being used against him and his squad on this thread. I have receipts if anyone needs them

[balmy storm]

I’m good cause that sounds awful ):

[nocturne kiln]

fun times. cant even try to appeal to a videogame developer with a request without people fighting...

I miss when people could discuss things without putting the other side down...

[balmy storm]

I can see it as both an empowerment thing and something that’s just too sensitive and triggering, the auxiliary would def be the best way to go

[balmy storm]

I’ll admit I was ignorant about it, I didnt put anyone down but I did think it was just people being grossed out

[nocturne kiln]

Unfortunately too many discussions involving gender specific functions seem to trigger bad faith responses because thats all things these days get discussed as outside of actual in person discussion. Im reading posts about loss and personal situations... seems like everyone had a different individual reason and theyre all coming together to ask for a tool so they can deal with thier own problems themselves. Some people really want to enjoy jade and seem frustrated that they cant bring themselves to get over this.

[balmy storm]

Do you think the auxiliary is the best option?

[nocturne kiln]

if Im honest, it sounds like the best of both worlds for the community. people who want it can have her like that, people who dont can put it on friends only and keep themselves out of public lobbies while still enjoying the latest warframe. Theyre being very specific about not removing jade's belly for those who like her the way she is. Seems they're keeping in mind the other side of the discussion when they speak.

funny thing is, it seems like they all enjoyed her durring the quest untill it was over

[prime lantern]

I never particularly cared about the frames design most of the time I'm staring at her back so I never really remember she's got a pregnant esq belly

[nocturne kiln]

I wasnt saying you were. I just meant it in general.

[prime lantern]

And i mean the games has an interdimensional top hat wearing math mathematician who is somehow interacting with metaphysics using physics physics

So odd things are a run of the mill happening

[balmy storm]

I know, I just feel bad about my own ignorance now ):

[nocturne kiln]

Thats fair actually Mediocre. Unfortunately for some people its a "whats been seen can not be unseen" kind of issue. They cant unknow that they're playing as something that at least "looks" pregnant. And plus, who wants to only look at the back of thier warframe forever?

I never meant to make you feel bad ducky

[astral kettle]

i cannot decide between lotus margulis or natah

[nocturne kiln]

Make the choice a good one, you cant reverse it as the game is now

[prime lantern]

That's fine I don't particularly care what happens with it as I'll still really only be looking at her back

[nocturne kiln]

And thats fair

[astral kettle]

what did you guys choose

[nova harness]

Lotus

[prime lantern]

I think natah

[nocturne kiln]

Me? I went with Margulis. Ive seen the lotus and natah. I was curious about her

[shell vessel]

Natah

[balmy storm]

It’s not your fault, I didn’t have the full context of why people felt mixed up about Jade and tbh I thank you for bringing it up

[shell vessel]

Margulis is worst choice imo, cuz thats like just not her

[nocturne kiln]

The only thing it changes though is how she's called though

[balmy storm]

Lotus

[astral kettle]

im going lotus

[nocturne kiln]

you can change her appearance to any one you like but the name stays

[astral kettle]

yeah i think lotus fits her

[nocturne kiln]

ngl, I sometimes wish I had

[astral kettle]

i am the lotus

[nova harness]

You can buy the other skins later btw

[astral kettle]

yeah just her name is what was making me take a second

[nocturne kiln]

But yeah, seems like the choice that would cause the least ripples. some people might talk about giving in to whiners or something but that talk would be gone in a week beyond being brought up here and there. People would move on with everyone comfortable doing thier own thing.

[obtuse gyro]

Lotus

[nocturne kiln]

Hey Bau

[obtuse gyro]

wadido

[nocturne kiln]

The forums bao. Jade's feedback has been on fire for a week

[obtuse gyro]

I've seen

[astral kettle]

what i dont understand wasnt ballas being treated like a dog by erra and natah how did he become in charge

[nocturne kiln]

Double crossed them, as usual.

He maintains appearances that its a partnership but deep down Erra knows

[nova harness]

He was working with Erra

[astral kettle]

he cause erra was treating him like shiz then in new war they are partners

in the prologue

[nocturne kiln]

Litterally just he made himself usefull.... or it was all an act from the start. They did team up to overthrow hunhow

[nova harness]

When Erra dropped the lead it was indicating the truth

[nocturne kiln]

I think they just planned a ruse to fool hunhow untill they were ready to make thier move

[astral kettle]

ah

[nocturne kiln]

Do you think the Ax-52 is going to be a crit or status weapon? Im betting crit

[covert tree]

Crit it's more primitive to be as advanced as current warframe guns in lore atleast also what year is warframe set in

[nocturne kiln]

see, thats what im saying

[covert tree]

It's basically an AK do its obviously gonna be crit

[nocturne kiln]

Seems to me like a "pre-mods" weapon advanced to the point it could be "modded", as little sense as that makes

So of course elemental damage beyond maybe puncture or slash wouldnt be built in

[fleet spruce]

There is no Sirius, only Orion

ART NOT BY ME

[nocturne kiln]

Im expecting.... at least 8 new weapons. Three primary, two secondary, three melee

[nocturne kiln]

Why so Sirius?

https://tenor.com/view/ჯოკერი-joker-gif-21710475

[fleet spruce]

We got Harley Quinn as a Warframe
We need a Joker frame

[nocturne kiln]

He's got that "Things would be different if mom was here" hunch to his shoulders

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/live-batman-reaction-the-batman-batman-reaction-batman-ew-gif-26417439

[covert tree]

I just watched a video and saw a comment that me realise something obvious arthur is called arthur because King arthur weilded the sword excalibur I'm stupid

[obtuse gyro]

wait till you figure out why Caliban is called caliban

[nova harness]

It involves an anagram of a certain word

[obtuse gyro]

its not an anagram

[nova harness]

What is it then?

You referring to the math question on wiki?

[cyan crest]

isnt it just a tempest reference

[obtuse gyro]

Well, the distinction between caliban(or caliburn) and excalibur is always a hot debate for arthurian nerds

Some people treat the two as different swords, while other see them as two names for one sword

[cyan crest]

ah

i thought it was just the guy from the Tempest

[obtuse gyro]

Plus like
excalibur
Caliburn

[cyan crest]

yeah fair enough

[nova harness]

Wait till you find out what Caliban comes from irl

You will regret what you find

[scarlet basalt]

did i broke the bot ?

[nova harness]

Dunno

[undone lodge]

“human that eats human flesh”

[nocturne kiln]

So a sentient that kills sentients

[amber marten]

Caliban was the mishaped son of the witch Sycorax, in William Shakespeare's play "The Tempest".

Just, who is the witch now in Warframe?

Prospero is Lotus
And Miranda is ourselves.

The Shakespeare character is a bit yikes for sure though.

[balmy storm]

Sometimes it is just a name, sometimes no
🤷‍♀️

[nova harness]

Is Ducky just a name?

[nocturne kiln]

Given that its thier name only on this server? ...yeh

[balmy storm]

I go by Ducky elsewhere too, but its just cause I like ducks, that’s as deep as that goes

I’m sure Caliban’s name has some deepness but uh. Protea exists
So they dont always mean something unfortunately

[nova harness]

Ducky is your favourite non main character

Right

[balmy storm]

Lil Duck and Yonta

[nova harness]

Who do you prefer more Xaku or lil duck

[nocturne kiln]

[balmy storm]

Probably Xaku but as a character they don’t really have much other than “they’re a composite, they’ve mastered the void, funni skeleton, duviri skin” where as Lil Duck has more depth overall, she’s got a defined personality, she’s a quill, I love her slang, etc etc

[nocturne kiln]

Woman is smart enough to actually get aim assist

[balmy storm]

Hard to compare a more thought out character to a Warframe who doesn’t really have much beyond their description and appearance (but tbh Xaku doesn’t need much more)

[muted zephyr]

Something i would love to see is a way to customize the stalker in duviri and maybe even make a loadout with him purely for cosmetic uses ie those little action figures

[muted zephyr]

I was going to say that's true with sevagoth, but then i remembered that his name relates to how he is canonically seven goth dudes in a trenchcoat iirc

Also i think the reason for Protea's name is because proteas are among the oldest flowers on the planet and Protea can manipulate time

And Caliban refers to Caliban the half human half monster from The Tempest

[thorny void]

Are the mods in here still stingy about the physical self evident description of jade being a spoiler? Such a goofy thing to hound the players over reguardless if having played the quest or not, having eyes is a spoiler lol

[nova harness]

We have spoke about loads of Jade stuff already without being nuked

[balmy storm]

Love your name explanations lol, did not connect the dots on sevengoths and didnt know that bout Protea
They def have been putting more effort into the names

[rain otter]

We talk about Jade all the time. I have a feeling you are leaving something out. This is the same reason I never trust people that say like "I was banned for no reason I just said X" when it's never just that

[balmy storm]

We talked about her yesterday with zero issue lol

[nova harness]

And today

[balmy storm]

Mhm

[rain otter]

Still just thinking this has to be a "I was banned for just saying 1 joke" and then you look and it's a full history with like repeat offenses.

It's always a lie.

[rain otter]

What did you actually say? It couldn't have just been that.

[muted zephyr]

Let's hope it's not worse than what my friend did one time that got him banned on PS4. What he did was he ||Trust me, you'd rather have your eyes and ears force-fed to yourself than know what he did||

[covert tree]

When the heck does warframe take place or is it just unknown

I know it kinda doesn't matter but with 1999 coming soon it'll probably have to mater

[nova harness]

Anytime between 1999-2035

We slept for 1000 years

[covert tree]

Oh damn so not even that far into the future obviously it's different from our timeline so it's bound to evolve faster but damn it's only like 10 years behind

[nova harness]

We don’t have an accurate timeline

[rain otter]

wait why 2035?

[valid jolt]

Radiation Wars

[rain otter]

I mean wasn't that the last thing

[rain otter]

also there where multiple wars.

[nova harness]

18 wars we know of to do with radiation

[rain otter]

why 2035?

that date seems to be out of no where.

[nova harness]

Dunno why they called the Old War Old it wasn’t that old

[covert tree]

It also seems to modern

[rain otter]

YOU ARENT ANSWERING MY QUESTION

[valid jolt]

Probably a guesstement

[nova harness]

It was a joke because 2035 ban

[rain otter]

what?

[valid jolt]

O

[valid jolt]

If you get banned in game, it lasts until 2035

[rain otter]

i mean if you did something horrible.

[nova harness]

Actually the ban continues past 2035 apparently

[rain otter]

we where just talking about how i never believe people that say like "I WAS JUST BANNED CUZ OF X" cuz it's never just that and the story is never correct. people just lie.

[valid jolt]

Now I wonder if 1999 is after or before Radiation Wars

[rain otter]

before

[nova harness]

Might be before

[rain otter]

also Albretch calls it the plague year.

[valid jolt]

Were Orokin ever mentioned in the 1999 segment of WitW?

[nova harness]

Aoi mentions finding Albrecht

[valid jolt]

Ik that part, but was the word Orokin said at all?

[nova harness]

Nope

[valid jolt]

Oh ok

Welp can’t wait to talk about the reveals of Tennocon 2 days after the event

Because this channel is going to start flooding with everyone lol

[balmy storm]

If 1999 is a conceptually embodied timeline, and it very likely is, then the information about that year (the plague year) had to have been pulled from somewhere and if that somewhere is Albrecht and he got that info from Orokin logs about the Plague Year then there would be no info about the Orokin as they deliberately cut out anything about their origins as to appear as if they were always present, as to be the unquestionable authority.

[valid jolt]

If 1999 is time travel I’m gonna lose it

[balmy storm]

I really doubt its time travel lol

They keep labeling it as such but thats likely for the reveal and also in-universe it’d potentially be impossible to tell the difference

[gray coral]

it could be memories manifested on a massive scale or a pocket dimension involving a time line loop that has everyone trapped in it

[valid jolt]

I doubt DEs gonna use that again because they already did it for Duviri

Doing it again would feel repetitive imo

[real niche]

The first trailer for '99 skirts around giving an answer of if it's time travel and/or alternate reality.

[gray coral]

time travel would just make the rabbit hole deeper and more of a mess

[valid jolt]

Also there’s a video of someone accessing 1999 early lol

Like they fly around the entire map and everything

[rain otter]

Yeah nah

Don't do that.

That would probably get somone banned.

Also I can't imagine they saw all of it just some props.

[gray coral]

indeed but his fact checks out

[real niche]

The game bugged and let people check out the map.

[nova harness]

More than just the Whispers segment?

[valid jolt]

Well actually they only flew around the area past where Albrecht dramatically walks down

[real niche]

Unsure, the community discord disallows talking about it

Which is where I first heard of it

[balmy storm]

They haven’t explored conceptually embodied timelines though, they have with a conceptually embodied place which is Duviri

[gray coral]

👀

[balmy storm]

I dont think 1999 will be a time loop, but I do think it will be conceptually embodied

[valid jolt]

They’re similar in some ways. But I would still prefer if 1999 was something new entirely so that it feels fresh and not repetitive

However Tennocon isn’t here yet so I might change my mind on that someday

[balmy storm]

I think a conceptually embodied timeline is new enough lol

We have not explored that at all, just heard of it

Also wally is bound to the strands of khra which are those iirc
So
🤷‍♀️

[real niche]

Conceptual embodiment is their way not to say "multiverse"

[valid jolt]

If Albrecht conceptually embodied 1999, then it would be boring imo because we’ve already had that with Drifter and Duviri. Ik I don’t speak for the entire community, but I’m just saying that I personally wouldn’t like it if that really is the case

[gray coral]

diving into the darkness i wanna say this wont be boring based on stuff i have read around

[real niche]

I doubt he embodied '99