spoiler-chat

[south wigeon]

Again, not all of them, there are cases where we know for a fact that they had none

[wild wind]

Who explicitly found her own operator and left with it

I think you have it backwards

[south wigeon]

You using the cases where we know they had them, which is the vast majority, doesn't make the cases where they had none non-existant

Dante, Dagath, Kullervo, Umbra, Jade and Stalker

none of them ever had an operator

[wild wind]

EVERY Warframe has an operator, which self-identified as the Warframe as a result of having their memory erased for the purpose of removing their trauma

[south wigeon]

Again, Dagath being inert also means she is a gen 2 Warframe built to have a Tenno, and her being inert simultaneously confirms she didn't have an operator

[south wigeon]

again, not true

Literally Kullervo explicitly never, EVERRR had an operator

[wild wind]

Dante, Lavos, Dagath, Nezha, Yareli, all the Warframes in the Leverian did have operators, their stories are merely ascribed to the Warframe since Operators were amnesiac and a secret besides

[south wigeon]

Jade, from what we can tell, never had any either

[wild wind]

Like I said, she would have

[south wigeon]

Dagath never had any, there's no evidence to say so

we literally know the exact sequence of events for Dagath

[wild wind]

But the entire reason transference works is that the operator gets to feel what they're feeling

So her operator would have saved Sorren, because Jade's feelings were their feelings

[south wigeon]

She got turned into a Warframe
Became completely inert, which is outright confirmation of her not having an Operator because no Warframe with an operator will be inert
Gets her face blasted off
Remembers her past and starts acting on her own

we know the exact sequence of events for Dagath, we know for a fact she never had an operator aswell

[wild wind]

"inert Warframe" is just what you get when you don't pick an animation set

[south wigeon]

...?

Also, again, see Kullervo

Half of Kullervo's lore is that he doesn't have an operator

[wild wind]

Kullervo is the exception that tests the rule

[south wigeon]

And Kullervo is not the only one

Again, never had any

[wild wind]

And I've mentioned in the past that I have suspicions about that timeline

[south wigeon]

Parties became awkward when the rider stood vacantly by, useless as an abandoned doll.
Dagath absolutely doesn't have an operator
So arrangements were made with a master of industry, and the rider - all unknowing - accompanied the couple to a facility. She lay down obediently when instructed, showed no emotion when the restraints clamped her limbs, and made not a sound when the full force of the dissolution beam blazed through her head and out of the back of her steel skull.

this entire bit really:

I doubt I need to tell you what faceless thing clambered jerkily from the facility's waste disposal heap, in the still of a Naberus night. How she sought for her Dax Nikana, and found only the overseer's whip-blade. Confused, vacant, she wandered. Why was she alone? Where was her loyal Rakhali? She reached deep into despair and memory, and summoned up a ghost-horse to run alongside her on the night winds. Now, at least, she was no longer alone. She groped for other memories, came up with hands overflowing with betrayal. When the morning sun rose on Corphel and Irilia, they were faceless too, and quite still.

[wild wind]

There actually is a way to square the circle and give her an operator

Dagath is the only Warframe we know of that was made from a corpse

Every other Warframe we know of was created from a living being

[south wigeon]

um, no? Never is it explicitly stated Dagath died before being turned into a frame

all that's said is that she was gravely injured

[wild wind]

Actually yes it is, check the story

[south wigeon]

Corphel and Irilia hastened to her side. Ignoring the dying horse, they fretted over their lover as she coughed blood. Continuity was out of the question. In desperation, they turned to a certain... expert, and pleaded with him to let her live forever. He returned the rider to them, transformed to a warrior of living steel.

[wild wind]

She's killed alongside the horse

[south wigeon]

no it's not, none of this says she died

[wild wind]

Continuity was out of the question

[south wigeon]

... because she is a dax

[wild wind]

You can't continuity what 's already dead

[south wigeon]

continuity is out of question because she is a mere dax, that's literally the only reason

it's not because she is dead, it's because no dax is ever gonna get continuity

[wild wind]

m8 if you don't think the Orokin broke that rule all the time I've got a bridge to sell you

[south wigeon]

Actually, this is the one rule they probably did not break

Far too important and special to give out to random dax or others

They offered it to Ordan, but Ordan ain't exactly a mere dax

Also, even setting aside Dagath, Kullervo, Dante, Jade and Stalker for a sec

literally see Ballas' line in Sacrifice, where he says they turned on them after setting them on the battlefied, they were perfectly sane for a decent period of time at least going off that line, and we have several examples that kept their sentience

[wild wind]

The degradation was progressive

[south wigeon]

Sure, but that would be noticed

the way Ballas says it, it was sudden and instant

[wild wind]

As we see from Umbra, first it takes memory, then identity, and lastly sanity

Umbra kept what little he did because Ballas played the memory of killing his son in his mind over and over

[south wigeon]

"Yet their minds were free of infested madness, or so we thought."

"We set them upon the battlefield, bio-drones under our command."

"The Warframes, all of them, failures."

This is not gradual

if it was gradual, they wouldn't believe they were free of infested madness

Umbra didn't have operator, Ballas' punishment for him.

Kullervo, of course, didn't have any.

Dante did not have any, see Loid lines.

Dagath was a gen 2 frame meant to have an operator, as we can tell from her going completely inert, but her face getting blasted off messed up something and she too didn't need an operator after that. She most definetly does not have one when Grandmother met her.

Stalker doesn't have one.

And there's no evidence to suggest Jade ever had one, the lore she has suggests the exact opposite.

[cinder sable]

Hey guys have any of U noticed some sort of morse code in jade's room?

[wild wind]

See, I think you've got things backwards. The standard was "Warframes need Operators to function" so the burden prove is on you to prove that there wasn't an Operator

The only one where I think it's a fair assumption (besides Umbra who is obvious) is Kullervo

[wild wind]

Someone pointed it out in the Jade Shadows chat. Iirc they only could decipher a bit of it but it seemed like a message from Jade to Sorren explaining what was going on.

[south wigeon]

I literally did with Dagath, you just ignored it

Dante? see the lines with Loid

[wild wind]

As I said, I think it's probable there was an operator.

Would have been the operator.

Loid had no idea what an operator was during Whispers, if you recall.

Necraloid had to explain the concept.

[south wigeon]

but there wasn't, that's the thing.

We know Dagath was built with Tenno control in mind, we know because she was completely inert, and that also proves she doesn't have one

[wild wind]

She was mobile and not killing people until she had her head drilled open

Which suggests operator

[south wigeon]

Dante comes after that, if you recall

[south wigeon]

She was completely inert, Grandmother explicitly states this

[wild wind]

No, Dante disappeared during the Old War era

[south wigeon]

mindlessly following along and otherwise not doing anything

[floral condor]

So before warframes, necralisk were weapons against sentients?

[balmy storm]

Not necessarily, it just suggests she hadn’t lost it yet

[wild wind]

This isn't a recent thing

[south wigeon]

No, I meant Loid's lines about Dante

[wild wind]

They were a rival project yeah

[nova harness]

"I remember when we learned of the Warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives. To shelter them meant death - or glassing."

[south wigeon]

Parties became awkward when the rider stood vacantly by, useless as an abandoned doll.
this tells us straight up that Dagath has no operator

because no Warframe with an operator will act like this

[wild wind]

They would if they were doing their job.

[south wigeon]

Doesn't explain the part where she randomly wakes up some time later

[wild wind]

Parvos with Protea, for example.

[south wigeon]

spectre in the quest, moving on

[wild wind]

The original, I mean. She had a job and it wasn't entertaining guests.

[south wigeon]

I mean yeah, sure, the default assumption if there is proof otherwise is that they have operators

Kullervo, Dante, Dagath, Jade and Stalker all have that proof

[balmy storm]

Warframes didn’t immediately go insane, it took time, variable time
Dagath easily could not have had an Operator at all

[nova harness]

This "I remember when we learned of the Warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives. To shelter them meant death - or glassing."

[wild wind]

DE's been asked if Stalker was a Warframe in the past and they said no

[south wigeon]

and when the time hit, it seems to be sudden, because the Orokin weren't expecting them to turn on them.... granted, that doesn't mean much

[south wigeon]

and may I ask how long ago that was? or the sauce to begin with?

[balmy storm]

No, the Orokin knew
At least the higher ups did
They just didnt do anything about it lol

[wild wind]

Last I remember was.... Last year I think?

[south wigeon]

Regardless, even if he isn't a frame, the others I mentioned still have all the evidence to prove they don't have operators

[wild wind]

They repeated the low guardian line

[south wigeon]

low guardian is a position, not a being or species etc

[wild wind]

Stalker's obviously mostly a Warframe, but like Arthur and the protoframes the process wasn't completed

[south wigeon]

Ah, Orokin stupidity strikes again, but the way Ballas says it sounds to me like they weren't expecting the frames to go mad?

[balmy storm]

I mean Stalker is very clearly hinted to be a Warframe if nothing else by his Duviri variant
Which granted that could just be void weirdness but it’s notable as it doesn’t specify any differences between them other than he’s different

[wild wind]

Which I think is their dodge

[south wigeon]

...literally how do we know any of that? Like the process not being complete

that just sounds like something you made up rn

[nova harness]

2023 stats call him a Warframe

[wild wind]

For the Protoframes? Yes, expicitly

[balmy storm]

At first they didn’t iirc?
Idk, the Orokin were dumb

[south wigeon]

Protoframes yes

[wild wind]

Albrecht says so

[south wigeon]

I'm talking about Stalker, should have specified, my bad

[nova harness]

Stalker is a Warframe

[wild wind]

But if Stalker isn't a Warframe according to DE then he's most of the way there

[nova harness]

Stalker is not a Warframe

[south wigeon]

don't say it

[balmy storm]

There’s nothing that suggests Stalker was incomplete afaik, just that he was classified as a Low Guardian which makes sense as he wouldn’t have been seen as a Warframe until more recently

[nova harness]

2023 stats call Stalker a Warframe due to New War help

[balmy storm]

He’s obviously different due to his high emotions keeping him sane enough to speak
DE may have said he’s not a warframe in the past but they also said pregnancy wasn’t a thing yet like 6 months ago iirc lol

They can absolutely lie about things to make stuff surprising

[south wigeon]

Yeah

[wild wind]

Nah they didn't lie about the pregnancy thing, the question was whether Warframes could get pregnant

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying don’t take their word for it, but nothing in-game or presently suggests he is not a Warframe
He has the traits
He’s in the stats as one
Duviri clearly shows some version of him is

[south wigeon]

Default assumption for Warframe sentience is that they aren't sentient and are operator controlled, but if their lore has evidence to the contrary, then they don't have one

[balmy storm]

Right, ty
Couldn’t remember the specifics

[wild wind]

Not "what happens to a fetus if they're Helminth'd in the womb"

[south wigeon]

So I'll just refer back to this

[nova harness]

The only difference is Stalker got shot in the leg and didn’t just bullet jump one tap Corpus like an actual Warframe would

[south wigeon]

tbf dude was hindered by holding a baby that he has to protect

Harder to deflect stray bullets with a giant scythe while bullet jumping I imagine

[wild wind]

you can totally bullet jump on Lua holding it hahaha

[balmy storm]

Tbh Dagath being inert and not having an operator makes more sense considering her partners at the time too, they wanted her not some tenno controlling her

[wild wind]

Operators were a state secret at that time

[balmy storm]

It was to be cinematic ):

[wild wind]

They literally wouldn't have known

[balmy storm]

True, but she would’ve acted differently

[south wigeon]

Dagath's partners were Orokin that could undergo continuity, not out of question for them to know

[nova harness]

His actions have consequences

[wild wind]

every Orokin could get continuity, that's what made them Orokin

[balmy storm]

And the argument of her just standing idly by like an abandoned puppet could go either way, I can see them affixing a bolt to her but not having a tenno for her

[south wigeon]

well yes, point is that they're not random shmucks in the hierarchy

[balmy storm]

I can also see the bolt being destroyed after the face blasting

[balmy storm]

Parvos can suck an egg

[wild wind]

Transference bolts are for non-tenno

We don't need them for transference

[south wigeon]

aka Warframes aka Dagath

the leading theory is that Dagath regained consciousness after getting her face got blasted off because that's where the bolt was AFAIK

[nova harness]

Umbra even has a special bolt

[wild wind]

No, they're for non-Tenno to temporarily transference into the targets

[balmy storm]

?
All tenno controlled warframes have bolts wdym

The bolt is what makes them inert iirc?

[wild wind]

Nope

[nova harness]

Umbra even got Bolt Prime

[wild wind]

Ballas fitted Umbra with one to hold him down

[balmy storm]

Nah, Bolt Umbra

[nova harness]

Ahh yeah

[balmy storm]

Umbra’s bolt is a special one

[wild wind]

While Umbra was secretly undergoing Helminth-ing in front of his son

[south wigeon]

Ordis has special lines if you are Jade btw, apparently

"Ordis understands that this both is, and is not, the Jade that was lost. It does not matter. Ordis is overjoyed to see Jade again."

[wild wind]

Warframe of Theseus

[south wigeon]

anyway

[south wigeon]

I gotta sleep by this point, but yeah, none of these had operators from all that we can tell

[wild wind]

Pressing X to doubt

[balmy storm]

Get good rest

[wild wind]

Anyway have a good night

[balmy storm]

Dagath is the only one I can reasonably see doubt for up until her being thrown in the dumpster

Her standing idly by could go either way for me

[south wigeon]

Yeah, that much could be argued, but when Dagath met Grandmother? 100% no operator

otherwise that encounter just doesn't fly

[balmy storm]

10000%

Also all warframes with tenno did have transference bolt, we didnt gain our innate transference back until relatively recently, both somatics and bolts were required afaik
Are they required now? Nope, but they would have been

[wild wind]

All the operators forgot about being traumatized fey children in favor of being superhuman soldier types. That's why Voruna's operator thought she was Voruna instead of knowing their true identity.

[south wigeon]

good to have the "can Tenno transference into anything they want?" question I had in the back of my head answered

[balmy storm]

That’s why we all thought that, that was the “dream” lol

[balmy storm]

I mean, we kinda could afaik?

[wild wind]

Yeah but if Dagath's operator thought they just had their face punched out, any memories coming from Dagath would be "theirs"

[balmy storm]

Domestik drone gameplay when?

[wild wind]

Hahaha

[south wigeon]

ok imma go for real now, bye

[wild wind]

Night

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, but she was trashed why would the hypothetical tenno stick around with her for that?
Why would they summon a ghost horse or hunt as they did?
After trashing she would have no tenno

[wild wind]

Tenno didn't disconnect back then

They didn't realize they were separate

[balmy storm]

We swap frames all the time prior to that realization, I dont see how this is different

You can say gameplay purposes but nothing suggests that afaik

[wild wind]

Different circumstance

We have a foundry, an orbiter, Ordis and the Lotus

Absent all of those? You just are the Warframe.

[balmy storm]

During the Orokin era and especially during the war those would have been possible things (arsenal, foundry and orbiter)

[wild wind]

Right so the tenno that had that would have been able to disconnect

But the ones that don't? Blam

[balmy storm]

Eeh, even without those the tenno dont just die

[wild wind]

Exactly. If she had a Tenno as I expect, they just get up in Dagath and go on the hunt.

[balmy storm]

It’s possible her tenno woke up or was forced to swap to another frame (like when ours are captured) during the blasting
Or potentially just died but I doubt a dissolution beam would’ve done that even point blank to the brain

[wild wind]

Or they don't disconnect and are still there.

Which is my point

[balmy storm]

Only way I can see that is if upon the blasting and trashing Dagath’s emotions and the Tenno’s pain of this event caused them to get muddied

Cause she summons her ghost horse, that’s notably a thing she had while still a dax

[wild wind]

That's how transference works

Explicitly, that's how we "tamed" Umbra

And even before that we were getting confused with whether we were ourselves or Umbra just from trying to transference in.

[balmy storm]

But Dagath’s tenno didn’t calm her, didn’t tame her, they got muddied completely
More of a failed version of the “taming” where they fell to those memories and they became one

Umbra notably is Umbra transfering into us iirc, Vitruvian Ordis mentions how transference into warframes is the tenno to the frame but umbra was the frame to the tenno

Dagath’s scenario would’ve less been “taming” and more the immediate new trauma potentially muddied the two or outright disconnected the tenno, which in those days may have not been as much of a problem as they could’ve been put back into the dream

So Dagath would be frame to tenno but the tenno lost where as we won against umbra
We helped him
Dagath’s could not, not with that situation

[wild wind]

Nah it's the other way around, once Dagath/her Tenno were betrayed it's Quentin Tarantino time

[balmy storm]

what

[wild wind]

heh, Quentin Tarantino had an interview where he talked about how he makes movies. Basically the first half deals with difficult and grounded topics in serious ways, and then in the second half his characters get revenge for what happened in the first half.

He mentioned that the "revenge violence" should seem cartoonish and over the top

ie what Dagath does after getting hole punched

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra was not transfering into the tenno

What ordis was referring to was the flow of the mind

You transferred into umbra but got his memories instead of projecting your own mind over his

[balmy storm]

yes that’s what I had meant

[nocturne kiln]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1401857-de-should-address-jades-design/

[rain otter]

Nah

Bad take.

[hollow cairn]

https://fixvx.com/TangAncle/status/1804636968481141170?s=19

[nocturne kiln]

how so?

[nocturne kiln]

🤔

[rain sky]

What’s the difference between choosing a name for stalker baby?

[wild wind]

none

[visual walrus]

can stalker drop his baby, or does he have that dad strength.

[nocturne kiln]

Got that Warframe grip

[visual walrus]

warframe + dad strength is ungodly

[junior vine]

How easy is it to get Maw fangs I need them for the torid incarnon

[wild wind]

Pretty easy. Go to Duviri solo and find a fishing spot. Run it about six times, then get one decree from doing anything. That saves the game, so abort and enjoy your new Torid.

Should take about 10 minutes.

[junior vine]

What fishing spot do you recommend?

[wild wind]

There's literally no difference between them

Which is weird but Warframe ig

Oh make sure it's Duviri Experience, Lone Story locks out the fishing

[tawdry socket]

I mean I can't say I disagree, experiences like miscarriage are ridiculously traumatic and it's not something that gets spoken about much, and if DE were going to include a trigger warning and confirmation box in the opening to the quest I do find it strange that they'd not do anything to let you skip that section or hide it during Jade's 4 etc

[junior vine]

I do Lone story for the others and the pathos

[junior vine]

Just one last lone story😭😭😭

And then I can get the torid incarnon

[junior vine]

Time to get the torid incarnon...

[brittle nymph]

for someone that planned for tens of thousands of years ballas died quite easily tbh

[nova harness]

Loads of people tried to kill him he had to get killed by an attempt eventually

[patent elm]

Y'all ever feel like this Corpus guy I killed

[brittle nymph]

Veso

[patent elm]

His name is Verizon get it right >:(

[brittle nymph]

why does the star chart have the planets in like a spiral pattern instead of them being in orbit or something does it have something to do with the junctions

[nova harness]

Did his actions have consequences?

[patent elm]

They did yeah, he tried to shoot me :(

[nova harness]

How dare they

[patent elm]

I didn't like it :(

[nocturne kiln]

Most people didn't mind Jade's design during the quest. They're just questioning it being a permanent design choice. Most that have an issue with her design just want a work around, for it to be optional. Haven't met a single person that has said to get rid of it all together.

[gusty pebble]

Yep

Maybe a family friendly game would be nicr where u fish and eat if u need that much of a sensoring

[slender rune]

We just chilling

[real niche]

As a male who has never witnessed nor had a pregnancy this conversation about her design is funny

[gusty pebble]

Warframe game has trauma left and right so id say no need to give special priveleges

[slender rune]

There is like a whole quest line that deals with trama

[gusty pebble]

Warframe is trauma themed alltogether and its a form of therapy

[slender rune]

Mentally and physically

[gusty pebble]

[rain otter]

Feels like the werid people that talked about the spider verse character.

[real niche]

What?

[rain otter]

Okay so

[real niche]

Oh yeah her I forgot she existed

[rain otter]

Yee.

[nocturne kiln]

Heh. Spear fishing is a thing in warframe isn't it? First time I've had a reason to like the fact that it was included.

The only question I have for people who say it doesn't matter is that if it doesn't matter, why are you vehemently arguing against having it be optional?

[nocturne kiln]

I'm not going to stop talking about it. Wether its in the discord or in the forums. I'm going to be civil about it to, and if that makes you uncomfortable about it, then itsounds like you should have every right to say so, just like the several players who are uncomfortable about jade should have the right to say so. If the argument is that people should just be quite because it's not going to change, that it's futile to ask DE to help improve our experience in the game, then what's the harm in letting us ask away? The only harm in that would be if it actually worked. In which case all we're asking for is a toggle for Jade's design, and you'd still have your pregnant motif for her while we'd get to enjoy not having to. Hardly the bad take or bad faith argument people seem to be fond of saying it is.

[empty hemlock]

yes it is and each open world has its own version/variantion of the spears as each fish type and envivroment needs different traits to funcation

[nocturne kiln]

It's not about the fish. It's about the irony that they said I should go play a game with fishing in it when warframe is a game with fishing in it

[empty hemlock]

well i always say warframe isnt perfect and warframe is a buffet of a game where thereis so many flavours of side content that you get your fill on so much in one game

[empty hemlock]

by same token warframe has guitar hero, ssx/pro skater, street fighter and such in it

[nocturne kiln]

Noone is saying anything about removing her current the design from the game. all we're asking for is for it to be optional.

[nocturne kiln]

assuming thats what the "many flavors" comment is to alluding to.

[empty hemlock]

Thing is that this optional part would be a new skin (maybe given when you craft her or whatever) that isnt offensive as I assume you are changing the character model/mesh

[flat shadow]

You might get a deluxe skin, but I doubt they will change the base frame at this point.

[nocturne kiln]

Yeah, basically. some people want it to be a togglable Auxillary, or maybe have a form change skin. I don't think anyone is expecting the change to be immediate. That would be too unreasonable. I'd take a change a couple weeks down the line. maybe three months down the line if they prefer to focus on tenno con first, which I think it would be reasonable from DE's end. All we want is to know is that we've been heard and that change will be coming, even if we have to wait for it.

[rain otter]

Pregnant people aren't made of glass.

[nocturne kiln]

unless Nihil is involved

[flat shadow]

A new skin from concept to release in a couple weeks is completely unrealistic.

[nocturne kiln]

from concept? You'd just be taking the existing model and editing it, not creating an entirely new mesh.

[rain otter]

Anyway Jessica Drew is a good character.

[flat shadow]

My time poking around in tennogen stuff, the part you are bothered by is almost definitely part of the mesh.

[nocturne kiln]

it is a part of the mesh, it just wouldnt be creating it from concept to a full model.

the upper torso would be unchanged, same with the arms and most of the legs

[flat shadow]

A company with one artist could do things that way. DE has an art team. Things like this need cocept art done,then it needs approval long before anyone starts work on the models.

[thick jolt]

You would also need to mess around with animations

[nocturne kiln]

again, I dont think anyone is expecting the change to happen immediately. What we do know is that if we're ever going to make an appeal, right now after she's debuted is the right time to do so.

We just want to know change is coming, not that it has to happen right now. as I pointed out earlier, tenno con is just around the corner.

[flat shadow]

I don't think DE has ever told us what concepts and skins they are working on until they are much closer to completion.

[nocturne kiln]

we're not asking for a new skin though. an edited mesh perhaps but not an entirely new concept

[thick jolt]

That is underestimating the complexity of what you are asking by quite a bit

[flat shadow]

Any changes to 3d animations have a lot considerations that make 'just edit it' unrealistic and unfeasible. If there is a change, I don't think they would treat it any differently from any other skin release.

[nocturne kiln]

I know its complex. I know. We dont think its an unreasonable ask though. Warframe is a product right? Consumer feedback is important right? We want to give our feedback to DE, and that feedback is a request for a toggle.

[flat shadow]

DE doesn't really spend a lot of time here on the discord. So if you want DE to hear you, this isn't really the platform for that.

[soft lotus]

Sure, they aren't
The baby, however

[nocturne kiln]

Then what is the harm?

from talking to people on discord, we can direct them to the forums. where DE does pay attention

Whenever I talk about the subject, I try to be civil, to have a conversation in good faith.

[thick jolt]

Babyframe that stalker shook around while bulletjumping and rolling during that end sequence lol

[soft lotus]

I bet the baby was stoked and having a whole lot of fun

[thick jolt]

Yup

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-washing-machine-gif-16179552

baby goes speeeen

[fleet spruce]

I wanna see the art where Orion plays with Kullervo using toy knives :3 Warframe babysit simulator, help Shadow raise the warcrime!

[nocturne kiln]

Sirius playing pop up pirate with Kullervo

[empty hemlock]

i rather see the child with khora

[nocturne kiln]

🤔 Like... would they be using the strangledome as a jungle gym?

[fleet spruce]

Thats what I wanna see omg

[empty hemlock]

more like can summon an extra kitty for child to pet

and if anyone dare to make the child upset, you have a crazy cat lady with a whip ready to kill you

[nocturne kiln]

Any artists that are looking in here, we're giving you Primed ideas

[fleet spruce]

Shadow showing his son an AKM he bought at a pawn shop back at Orokin era:

DE PLEASE MAKE THE AK HAVE A 2 ROUND HYPERBURST FIREMODE WITH EXTRA HIGH CRIT !!!

[fleet spruce]

Kullervo after he gave one of his knives for the kitty: chasing the car as it holds his knife in its maw

"Father, what's happening?"
Looks at tens and thousand of his mom visiting him

[empty hemlock]

i think yureli is also a good babysitter

[gilded valley]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[nocturne kiln]

🤣

Yareli is going to introduce him to twitch!

and vtuber concerts!

[fleet spruce]

Is Shadow going to tell Orion bedtime stories with the tale of Kullervo?

[empty hemlock]

@fleet sprucei take it that kullervo is your fav frame

[nocturne kiln]

Oh... we need a mission where we help Stalker fend off his acolytes

[fleet spruce]

I mean, the tale of Duviri is an awesome bedtime story for kids in general too

[nocturne kiln]

"Betrayer!"

[fleet spruce]

Nah his acolytes still under his command, they ain't gonna betray him lmao

[nocturne kiln]

oh true... I guess Jade isnt a tenno, is she?

[obtuse gyro]

No jade is the warframe

jury is still up if she had a tenno pilot

but jade is a warframe

[fleet spruce]

She used to be a sentient Warframe like Sevagoth, so we could just replicate her again and having the same sentience?

[empty hemlock]

the only confirmed named tenno beside the pc is rell

this question also extends to a few other frames like quest limbo + mirage/ protea/ og gara in saya vigil/ og degth etc seem to be warframes that had a singular purpose and have no need for tenno piloits

[nova harness]

What letter are we missing now we have Jade?

[nocturne kiln]

Arent all the warframes named after the tenno that was thier primary user?

[nocturne kiln]

U

[obtuse gyro]

limbo + mirage/ protea/ og gara

these can and should be assumed to all have tenno pilots

[obtuse gyro]

no? this has never been the case

[nova harness]

No this only the case with Jade

[nocturne kiln]

Then is the limbo that got lost amongst the stars a sentient warframe instead?

[obtuse gyro]

that isnt even the case with jade

jade is not named after her tenno pilot if she had one

[fleet spruce]

Warframes existed before the Zariman, right guys?

[obtuse gyro]

nope

[fleet spruce]

They existed before the void kids then?

[nova harness]

Warframes were made during Old War

[balmy storm]

My friend was replaying the second dream and 😢

[obtuse gyro]

Zariman lost > sentients > warframe project's first generation > zariman returns > warframe project's second generation

[nocturne kiln]

sort of. they were a failed experimental project. They got put into major production after it was discovered that the tenno were able to use them

[fleet spruce]

Yes DE needs to change this

[obtuse gyro]

only two frames we know exist as part of the first generation, kullervo and dante

[fleet spruce]

GOATed Warframe with 7 WARCRIMES

[obtuse gyro]

those two would predate the return of the zariman and the tenno inclusion of the warframe project

[nova harness]

No they don’t

[balmy storm]

Not really, Stalker doesn’t know who she is by this point in the story

[fleet spruce]

Real

[empty hemlock]

my rebuttal question is that if they have pilot why did the pilots kinda dont make themselves know (as npcs)

[empty hemlock]

yes

case in point umbra

[thick jolt]

The entirety of the second dream is why

[obtuse gyro]

thats not really a good rebuttal question, why should the pilots make themselves known? Especially if theyre still in the second dream

[obtuse gyro]

completely incorrect, umbra could not have been a gen 1 frame

[thick jolt]

Nope

[balmy storm]

The pilot literally didn’t know once put into the dream

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, 0 warframes existed before the zariman got lost

[fleet spruce]

Why won't the Tenno restore the cloning tech for the Grineer to have a massive special forces of their own

[nova harness]

They were called Warframes because of the Old War there wasn’t an Old War when the Zariman left

[thick jolt]

We dont have it also out of control grineer is bad

[nova harness]

Umbra wasn’t even the first frame

[balmy storm]

Us doing anything the orokin did is kinda hypocritical

[fleet spruce]

We could just bribe Tyl Regor for it and helps him develop better Grineer troops, consider helping him making tougher enemies for the OP Warframes :3

[empty hemlock]

@thick jolt

what i mean by known as in that they make second copies of frames or use different frames if we as pcs are able to do

[balmy storm]

Normal excalibur was the first warframe
Umbra was likely one of the last made due to his circumstances of being a punishment towards the tail end of the old war

[fleet spruce]

Why won't we straight up kill the Queens tho? I mean she owns all the kuva and we could just use her corpse to reroll rivens

[obtuse gyro]

Why is that a rebuttal? How would other tenno using their own frames be some kind of rebuttal?

[nova harness]

Why do people keep thinking Umbra was first?

[balmy storm]

We killed one, its gonna be hard to kill the other now

[fleet spruce]

It was Proto excal and Proto Volt though

[empty hemlock]

nvm

[rain otter]

Umbra literally is umbra because he tries to stop Ballas fro giving hunhow the weakness of the frames. (The operators). So hunhow would have to be in the origin system and the operators would have to already bee in use.

[thick jolt]

Leaving an incompetent leader in charge of the grineer is a pretty good deal for us

[obtuse gyro]

those two are non-canon skins tho

like proto-excal is a dark sector reference and proto-volt is a kewl skin, but with little to no indication of being canon

[balmy storm]

Is proto volt even a reference or is it just a random unrelated deluxe with the proto title?

[thick jolt]

Unrelated

[nocturne kiln]

😈 Nemesis being cannon

[balmy storm]

Answered it immediately thanks Bau

[fleet spruce]

What were the first Warframes before the operators?

[empty hemlock]

refer to dark sector i think

[obtuse gyro]

tbh I need to see its trivia section but like, likely unrelated

[obtuse gyro]

we are only privy to Kullervo and Dante from that generation

[fleet spruce]

In an alternate timeline the Zariman was never found, how did Drifter stayed sane?

[balmy storm]

The first warframe made was excalibur, there were many generation 1 frames
Kullervo, Dante, etc

[balmy storm]

Duviri

[nocturne kiln]

likely an unused prototype concept from darksector

[thick jolt]

Forgetting everything

[balmy storm]

Potentially

[nocturne kiln]

Either way, Ill be rocking those three skins for 1999

okay, gotta go. work time

[empty hemlock]

all proto skins are dark sector refs

[fleet spruce]

Man I love the dubibi dax so much I actually wanted not specters, actual Dax eximus to fight on our side

[obtuse gyro]

what do you think duviri was for?

[balmy storm]

No idea what proto volt is a ref too other than maybe concept art

[nocturne kiln]

I really hope arthurs harneses will be auxilary cosmetics so I can put them on proto excal

[fleet spruce]

IM SIMPING FOR AURTHUR BECAUSE HE USES AN AKM?? WITH A FOLDING STOCK !!!

[thick jolt]

Would they even fit the different model?

[fleet spruce]

Man, backpack sized AKM is best sized AKM

[cinder steppe]

Literally the point of why Euleria created Tales Of Duviri

[thick jolt]

Well it didnt work as intended

[fleet spruce]

Sorrow soprano is cute I can fix her

[thick jolt]

The intention was "help regulate emotions" not "create fantasy land"

[nova harness]

Some dude decided to make it a movie without giving credit to the creator

[fleet spruce]

1 hour later stepping out of dubibi i cant fix her...

[cinder steppe]

No but the fantasy land was created because of Drifter trying to regulate their emotions

[thick jolt]

Trying and failing miserably

[nocturne kiln]

Link your account on twitch and watch tennocon on July 20th. They're giving one out to everyone watching the stream

[empty hemlock]

the duviri from what i understand was created by the drifter's emotions and thoughts

[cinder steppe]

Well they became emotionless until Teshin and Natah intervened so I guess it sort of worked

[fleet spruce]

Vietnamese Warframe player spike by 1000000000% when AKM is announced 🗣️🇻🇳💯

[nocturne kiln]

Already announced...

[balmy storm]

Apathy from being executed everyday in an eternal groundhog day cycle set in a messed up land that’s been falling apart since it’s conception, which they’ve been around for since
Drifter had it rough, rougher than rough

[rain otter]

Ehhhh it was more the book drifter was reading.

[balmy storm]

The book is meant to regulate emotions, it’s both

[rain otter]

Yee

[empty hemlock]

hence why he should he didnt know who had it rougher : him or operator

[rain otter]

I don't think they need to compare them.

[balmy storm]

Even with yourself it’s unfair to both parties to compare your trauma, trauma is trauma not a competition

[rain otter]

Comparing trauma is werid.

Oh we were saying the same thing lmao

[thick jolt]

"But we all know my trauma is worse"

[cinder steppe]

Tales Of Duviri didn't fail. It just succeeded in a messed up typical Orokin way

[balmy storm]

Drifter was basically in constant hell and turned completely apathetic cause why care about any of it?
Sit around, die, repeat

The Operator had to murder people to survive (though its possible they didnt even need to) and after that whole trauma the Orokin experimented on them and once they found them useful they put them to work as soldiers, traumatized child soldiers who fought and won a war and had to then overthrow the empire itself and once that was all over they disappear cause ofc they need a break and once they come back OOPS everything sucks again in different ways

Both are messed up and awful

[empty hemlock]

true.

that why one of my fav quotes is a ballas quite on how the tenno is able to quell the early frame trauma and able to control them better than the orokin ever could

[thick jolt]

If you call being the last one alive stranded in an imaginary island of your own creation success then sure.....

[balmy storm]

No, it failed
The regulation was meant to stop something like ce from happening iirc

[rain otter]

I don't think that's far.

[thick jolt]

Stop the problem not make it worse ye

[rain otter]

Cuz it was a massed produced book.

[balmy storm]

It’s literally just tenno got traumatized cause zariman and gained compassion
Our greatest power has and always will be compassion

[rain otter]

Also Mother really did just wanna help the little ones.

So I can't be upset about it.

[balmy storm]

She tried her best

[empty hemlock]

compassion and empathy

[balmy storm]

I hope she gets to know her creation became a reality eventually

[fleet spruce]

We got uhhh archwings, hoverboard, when we gonna have our own Sparrow 🥺

[balmy storm]

Falconeer frame when (dante doesnt count)

[thick jolt]

"Our two weapons are compassion empathy and acceptance..... our three weapons are compassion empathy acceptance and void beams...."

[cinder steppe]

Well I don't think the adults gave a damn about the children's book. But it helped at least one person stay sane until they manifested a dream world that made them apathetic at least

[fleet spruce]

Is 1999 Volt the bike? I hope so-

[thick jolt]

I watched the spanish inquisition sketch again recently

[fleet spruce]

AHHHH I WANT SPARROW IN WARFRAMEEEEEE summons Always On Time

[thick jolt]

We need more birb per birb

[balmy storm]

The adults had different material to read, but it failed because nobody could predict Wally would make people go insane

[empty hemlock]

why need sparrow if you have volt and guass than can out pace and more

[fleet spruce]

Because imagine the captura COOLNESS of it

[balmy storm]

Iirc the material the adults had is found in the archarbor’s puzzle room?

[empty hemlock]

isnt zephyr the closet to a bird frame?

[balmy storm]

Might just been from the book tho idk

[fleet spruce]

She is :3 more like wind tho

Birb? Nah lets go for insect

[balmy storm]

She is literally bird frame, wings and all

[empty hemlock]

that is titiania with razorwing

[balmy storm]

That one rhino skin:

[thick jolt]

No idea what sparrow is

On a side note am I the only one that thinks fortnite kinda took the fun out of colabs?

[empty hemlock]

or this

[fleet spruce]

No fortnite

[cinder steppe]

The thing is that it wasn't just wally. The jump shouldn't habe happened at all because of all the chaos and unrest that happened before it.

[balmy storm]

Fortnite is just roblox randomness but official

[fleet spruce]

I want another Warframe that summons insect swarms and- looks at Orion

Ooh, he should be the man :3

[balmy storm]

The pubg x warframe collab was certainly a thing that didnt effect warframe

[empty hemlock]

the closest to an insect frame i can think of is maybe a locust based on famine and such that can work

or a wasp build maybe

[balmy storm]

Wally was the one that caused a lot of that, he caused the madness over time
Granted Tuvul was not a help at all and the jump wasn’t ready even on the day of but Wally still caused the madness and ultimately is responsible for what happened

[fleet spruce]

Or something like: the thing movie based. You plant parasites inside the grineer and it grows into mass of sentient flesh

[balmy storm]

Inaros and Saryn?

[empty hemlock]

well, isnt that nidus maggots and such?

[fleet spruce]

Nope, literally planting the parasite inside the enemies and make them grow slowly that turn enemies into abomination of flesh that fight alongside you

[cinder steppe]

The jump was doomed to fail because of the Orokin's indifference towards their own citizens.

People were unsure, then starving, and then protesting, which got violently repressed. And then Yonta got the command to perform the jump while everybody was feeling extreme emotions.

This caused the jump to fail, nightmares to manifest in reality and draw the attention of wally.

[balmy storm]

Inaros for the locusts/famine
I feel like he’s close

[fleet spruce]

Cant wait for another vessel kissing tape

So, we can literally pilot even the vessels now? Looks at the unfinished vessel with booba

[balmy storm]

Wally is what caused the madness and unrest though, yes the Orokin had a big hand in it but Wally did too
He is what caused the jump to fail and likely what caused the issues with the jump prior

[empty hemlock]

and nidus has the maggots and lavrae

inaros also has or had sacrebs which are a kind of bettle

[obtuse gyro]

Its not necessarily true that wally caused the jump to fail.

However pouring oil and setting a car crash on fire doesnt make the car crash any better

[balmy storm]

Scarab, locust, potato patato

[empty hemlock]

the i shall call you goosey

[fleet spruce]

Its hard to think up a Warframe concept now, 57 unique ones...
WE NEED A DEMOCRACY FRAME !!!!! AGGRESSIVELY FIRE MISSILE SWARM AND PLANT EXPLOSIVE MINES EVERYWHERE

[balmy storm]

Eh, he was there on the day of the jump and clearly has some control of things with his finger, his actions and the Orokin’s inaction went hand in hand in causing chaos aboard the Zariman

[empty hemlock]

i think there is still lots of design space imo

[thick jolt]

Now that blast works i wouldnt say no to a blast frame

[fleet spruce]

FOR DEMOCRACY 🦅 🛢️

[obtuse gyro]

Which is all circumstantial. As much as I would love to blame wally for causing the crash, the only thing we can properly identify him as is the cause of the adults going mad

[balmy storm]

I don’t think it’s unfounded to say Wally may have deliberately delayed the jump by making his finger uncooperative to the point they kept delaying and delaying, causing delay issues as a whole but also letting his madness seep into the crew

[balmy storm]

Them going mad and their paranoia did not help at all with the inaction of the Orokin though

[fleet spruce]

Man I wish there's a big event to fix Zarimin and turn it into the nice ship again

[thorn latch]

I wonder. Does stalker react to you playing as jade when he attacks you?

[fleet spruce]

He wont

[obtuse gyro]

I would actually say its unfounded, because theres actually no details on whats causing any delays

Like its speculation at best, without much evidence to back it up

[thorn latch]

What a shame. 😄

[balmy storm]

General paranoia and mental unrest would certainly assist in delays

[cinder steppe]

The madness after the jump yes. But not the unrest before it. The unrest was in regards to the safety of the jump and Tuvul admitting that he didn't care whether or not they would make it.

[obtuse gyro]

He does react, he says "never" drops his loot, and leaves

[empty hemlock]

if you have jade in team when he invades, he peaces out and drops loot

[balmy storm]

Def no direct evidence but it’s logical to assume Wally’s effects did not help the situation and absolutely made it worse

[thorn latch]

Yo thats cool

[fleet spruce]

The Laetum used to fire the colored powder for the Zarimin to reach Tau, well DE needs to add that skin that fires the lethal color powder yay

[balmy storm]

No, Wally was causing unrest and paranoia prior
Our own Father says something is out there, watching us
Its one of the first things we’re told by Wally iirc

[obtuse gyro]

I mean sure, but that only makes it circumstantial. Where wally can easily be implicated is once the crash actually occured. All that chaos and tension before hand could have been organically achieved

[fleet spruce]

Wally vs The Witness the universe implodes

[balmy storm]

It could have been yes, but I’m saying he sped it up

[empty hemlock]

i feel ballas and wally are better villians than most destiny ones

[fleet spruce]

How did we
How did we sliced off wally's finger for the Railjack powerplant?

[balmy storm]

Albrecht

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht did long ago

[fleet spruce]

Hell yeah they are, Ballass simped so hard he would be ready to overthrow Orokin

[cinder steppe]

Albrecht did long ago and the version of the finger we have in our railjack is a copy according to Cavalero and Yonta during the Zariman quest

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, thats quite subjective. Imo the witness is far more developed than wally, by virtue of actually having its story finished as compared to wally, who we're only delving into now

[fleet spruce]

Is Albrecht dead and it is now Wally in his shell?

[obtuse gyro]

No

[empty hemlock]

albrecht when he journeyed the void and encoutered the indifference

[balmy storm]

Albrecht is fine don’t worry about him :)

[fleet spruce]

I really wished we can have Ordis and Cy interacting with each other...

[cinder steppe]

Tbh us knowing so little about Wally is part of the reason why he's so great of a villain.

[thick jolt]

Albrecht just misplaced his fingerbones 🙂

[fleet spruce]

Who was Cy before he gets glassed ? Lets find out in the next episode of frames of war

[cinder steppe]

He's just scary purely by presence, exactly what cosmic horror should be.

[obtuse gyro]

Thats post crash

[balmy storm]

I hate it when I step into a dimension if nothing and my fears and feelings towards myself assist in the creation or an immensely powerful being that will haunt me for the rest of my days, at least I got a cool souvenir tho

[obtuse gyro]

Ive just checked the WW transcript, your dad talking about something watching yall comes after your mom tells you theres been an accident

[fleet spruce]

Vro imagine
Imagine Cy as orbiter cephalon outside of the second dream and war within quests. He starts randomly speaking up deep and memorable quotes of life

[balmy storm]

Where does it stat that’s post crash?
How and when would that have been post crash?

[obtuse gyro]

I mean sure, it dont change what I said. Its not a weakness its just how wally is as of now

[empty hemlock]

well, wally is mysterious as yea that the times we learn and interact with him is a lot more sparse and vague but that is to be expected imo as he has been mainly in the wings until more recent quests

i am sure that the man in wall will become more developed as we get more quest as him as main villian

[thick jolt]

Cy wasnt involved in either quest

[cinder steppe]

I thought so too but I'm not so sure since we know that our Tenno were barricades into the classrooms when went down

[fleet spruce]

Ye thats why I really wanna see him as orbiter cephalon, switched between him and Ordis after finishing Rising Tide

[balmy storm]

We were in the classroom when the jump failure occurred and had to barricade nearly immediately, I don’t recall it stating we found our parents when they were still “sane”?

[obtuse gyro]

Its implied by "starless black" when youre out there in space, its extremely hard to have it be "starless". Again, its the memory after the one where your mother tells you theres been an accident

[balmy storm]

I mean logically we’d try to find out parents but our Tenno is very understanding of the situation

[balmy storm]

Weren’t there accidient with the finger and accidents aboard the ship anyway due to Hombask’s sabotage?

[cinder steppe]

It's also implied that not everyone on board of the Zariman went mad at the same time

[obtuse gyro]

Nope those were separate incidents

Hombasks was a sabotage, this much people recognise, not an accident

Hombask's work on the biomes would have little impact on drive functionality

[balmy storm]

But when would we have gone to see our parents?
We were preoccupied

[cinder steppe]

Hombask sabotaged the food biomes prior to the jump in hopes of the Orokin calling it off

[balmy storm]

They were having constant issues with the drive, it wasn’t even finished on the day of the jump

[obtuse gyro]

Ok, still unrelated to hombask's sabotage

[balmy storm]

Yes, I know
I wasn’t implying those were related

Just that the sabotage would have been seen as an accident

[cinder steppe]

I think your parents might have come for your before they fully went mad.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, you did just say that accidents with the finger and accidents aboard the ship anyway due to hombask's sabotage

[balmy storm]

How?

[cinder steppe]

Because not everyone went mad at the same time.

It wasn't an immediate process.

[balmy storm]

I meant those as two separate things, not related
I know Hombask’s sabotage is unrelated to the drive, why would it be?

[cinder steppe]

As implied by the ARG

[obtuse gyro]

I'd need to relook at the New War Cutscenes, but there are moments where you are transiting between rooms, which should have given you time offscreen to see your parents

[cinder steppe]

Some people stayed sane for a while before eventually giving in

And Kira even snapped back to make a distress call

[obtuse gyro]

Anyways, when your dad tells you something is watching you, the scene itself does not sound like a ship prejump.

Operator: "The air was acrid and still."
Elder Queen: "The biomes had been sabotaged. The food stocks dwindled. Paranoia gripped your father's mind. What was it he said - as he stared out into the starless black?"

[obtuse gyro]

Thats uh, holdfast kira, she was already dead

[balmy storm]

We stay in one room, the classroom?
We were under consistent attack by already insane adults we no powers until the deal and no way out

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not true tho, I distinctly recall sections where we walk through some of the halls

[balmy storm]

You might be remembering when we return to the Zariman to meet up with Drifter?

The jump occurs while we’re in class, we barricade the door to stay safe and never leave until the deal, we never see our tenno outside of the classroom after the deal until we returned to meet with Drifter

[obtuse gyro]

Ah youre right

However, there is still room after the tenno made the deal to have found their parents

Not everyone went insane immediately

Again, the descriptions of the scene surrounding your parents do not tally with a pre-crash ship

[balmy storm]

True, though it could depend on how the test jumps happened as it could have been during a test jump
But it does make sense we’d meet up after as well

Once empowered we make sure the other kids are okay then rush to find out parents

Wish we got to see that but I guess it wasn’t in the timeloop ):

[cinder steppe]

Right ofc

[obtuse gyro]

I uh, dont think there was any test jumps at that point

[balmy storm]

Maybe we’ll get a cutscene with that if we got a reunion with our angeled parents, I still like the idea of us finding a way to “cure” angels once we become more powerful

[balmy storm]

They were testing the drive, so I may have confused it with that idk

The whole thing was small jumps were possible but BIG jumps were difficult, Wally sure wasn’t helping ofc

[cinder steppe]

The Rell comic absolutely does show us that we did wander around outside of our classroom. But yeah that was after we got our powers

[obtuse gyro]

They said they were testing it, but we know the jump accident happened out of saturn iirc, and we know that the "test jump" was the jump that caused the accident

[cinder steppe]

Maybe people were gradually becoming more and more afraid with each test jump after they already were worried.

Also unrelated but if you look at the windows from the Zairiman, you can see a bunch of those metallic fractal thingies sticking on the outside. I think it's possible that those are essentially "fossilized" versions of the nightmares they manifested when crap went down

[balmy storm]

ah, that is where I got it confused then

Though I’d assume they did do smaller jumps as those would have theoretically been harmless, it depends on just how cooperative the finger was being at that point

[cinder steppe]

(still think it's weird we aren't allowed to say "sh..." since it's a word used in ingame dialog...)

[balmy storm]

Yonta makes it sound like the distance was the problem but it could have been Wally as well, he did appear to her on the day of the jump failure

[cinder steppe]

I think it was implied that we infact did do a couple of test jumps until we reached Saturn when Yonta initiated the big jump.

[cinder steppe]

Duviri pads imply that it was the emotions people felt that was the problem.

[balmy storm]

Yonta should’ve shut it down after seeing a clone of herself smiling out the corner of her eye 😶
But she was stressed by the Orokin so whatcha gonna do

[balmy storm]

So it could’ve been due to high emotions the finger reacted, as it does and caused the failure

[cinder steppe]

Yeah the Orokin had quite horrible torture methods so she had a good reason to be afraid.

[balmy storm]

It sounds like it may have been multiple factors, technical issues, emotional instability and potentially Wally though he may have just been there as an omen

[cinder steppe]

The Duviri pad says that void travel is safe as long as people keep their emotions under control. And yeah the Orokin their treatment of people's concerns had the OPPOSITE effect of keeping people's emotions under control

I also thought maybe the interactions we had with our parents was through video calls while the ship was in lockdown

[balmy storm]

Yonta notably says she knows how they could make it so either she’s interpreting the problem incorrectly or it’s multiple factors, technical and emotional

[cinder steppe]

Well Yonta was also partially at fault for the unrest. Since she wasn't honest about the technical difficulties she had and denounced those who were worried as traitors

[nova harness]

Then she committed suicide

[balmy storm]

She was understandably incredibly stressed due to the Orokin

[balmy storm]

Better than death by void beam

[cinder steppe]

After the jump went wrong

[cinder steppe]

Yeah just mean that this was part of the reason why she knew how the jump could've went right.

[nova harness]

I dunno Jade Light sounds more painful just quicker

[balmy storm]

So technical difficulty and emotional instability
Yippeeee

[balmy storm]

Afaik it’s quick as an actual execution tool, hence why it’s honorable
No suffering, not much anyway, just a light and you’re gone

Parvos’ Jade Light eximus are incomplete after all

[nova harness]

Jade Light Eximus gives me a reason to hate Jade Light

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we were supposed to like it, it was an execution tool lol

[cinder steppe]

The whole Zariman was a big mess of stress for everybody involved except Tuvul who didn't give a damn about anyone and just shoved it under the rug

[balmy storm]

And that’s why I put knives in his statue

[cinder steppe]

I'm glad that Voruna's wolves got a nice meal of Tuvul with extra Tuvul as a treat

[balmy storm]

same

[prime raptor]

||Did Ballas know that he was making jade out of a pregnant girl and it was his experiment, or did he not know about it?||

[nova harness]

It was him punishing her

I wouldn’t be surprised if Stalker being a Low Guardian barred him from relationships and children with people

[prime raptor]

Do we know for what? What did she do?

[spice sparrow]

Stalker shagged her

And got her pregnant

Which was enough to turn both of them into Warframes

So yes, Ballas did know he was turning a pregnant woman into a war machine

That very much was the whole point, in fact

[prime raptor]

So they had an anti-horny law?

[spice sparrow]

No, the Orokin just hates poor people

[graceful zodiac]

We don't know what the exacts was

All we're told is Jade was having a kid and that somehow is against the laws

[wicked flame]

... God... I'm actually crying non-stop...

can't stop having some tears on my eyes......

😢

[nova harness]

The Orokin just hate people

[amber terrace]

So how did the rest of the system get access to the Jade Executioner Eximus program? I imagine that Parvos would want a monopoly on what basically amounts to an insta kill button. I can understand the Infested snagging it because even the most shrewd man will still lose stuff to the Infestation, I can’t understand either Grineer variants getting access to it because they’re directly opposed to Parvos, and why would Parvos give Jade Light tech to either Nef or Alad given that Parvos probably doesn’t hold much regard for either of these goobers

[prime raptor]

Due to poor localization of the quest, I got very confused with the past of jade and stalker, I thought she got pregnant and hid it before becoming a warframe, but now everything is much clearer, thanks

[south wigeon]

from what I understand, Jade eximus existed before Jade Shadows happens in universe, in fact you can encounter Jade eximus during Jade Shadows, the aftermath just gives Parvos the opportunity to perfect it via the volatile motes

Grineer would need to reverse engineer it and Infested would just need to infest any jade eximus

[brisk beacon]

I forgot some of my friends don't play warframe

[balmy storm]

We know it was against the legems which were Orokin law
We dont know the specifics beyond “against the law”

[nova harness]

And that there was 1000

[balmy storm]

I thought there was 100 that’s way worse lmao
And all citizens had to memorize them all too

[nova harness]

There’s probably real countries that have more UK has 4444 UK Public General Acts

Not all are enforced though

[balmy storm]

The UKorin 😦

[flat magnet]

You’ll be punish’d wit da Jade loight innit?

[balmy storm]

bouta get shanked wit a skana

[potent vine]

||just waiting to see companion or player names being about stalkers child support bill|| LMAO

[livid finch]

inb4 fanart of the acolytes being tasked by stalker to go on ship raids for family groceries (he needs to stay and take care of the child)

[nova harness]

I wonder if Stalker told the Acolytes to not hunt Jade

[balmy storm]

Nope, they still hunt her

I keep playing sp and see the light flicker thinking he’ll show up but it’s always them and they always try to kill me 😔

[nova harness]

Stalker really forgot to tell them

Is bro stupid

[balmy storm]

He’s got baby on the brain

Forgot to contact his estranged children

[nocturne kiln]

I think it'd make sense that the acolytes turn on him

[balmy storm]

Why?

[nocturne kiln]

"Accept help from the Tenno? Are you stupid? They destroyed everything! You just went against everything you taught us to be! Betrayer!"

[nova harness]

He helped us before us helping him

[nocturne kiln]

If we're looking at hate-filled individuals, I can understand them willingly not being understanding about it

[balmy storm]

They’re just being unreasonable by that point, but Stalker was too until Hunhow told him to knock it off lol

Ignorance beats reason 😔

[nocturne kiln]

Hunhow told him to knock it off and he didn't listen. He waited untill we were the very last option and then didn't listen to us when we said we had done everything we could do. He ended up being right too

[floral belfry]

I see people putting excalibur zato's noble stance on her because it makes her pull out a pipe and smoke it lolll

[balmy storm]

Naaah what 😭

[nocturne kiln]

This is better than what I had in mind. On par with giving Grendel her noble stance

Grendel lovingly rubs his belly

[balmy storm]

[nova harness]

I wanna see this

[floral belfry]

I subsumed my spare Jade, I will let you guys know if 2 flowers show up on the wall

[balmy storm]

Please send if you got pics

[balmy storm]

There will only be one, the jade we make isn’t pregnant

She looks like it but it’s just how she looks, cause ballas stinks
When we make her we are just making her, not her and the baby as the baby is its own being and not part of the warframes design but rather a product of her pregnancy

[nova harness]

The baby looks like a Jawa

[south wigeon]

I am dying to know what the grown up baby will look like

[balmy storm]

Same

[south wigeon]

Since the baby is obviously gonna be a future plot hook and be important in some way, I really do hope we see the grown up version

I mean we got timey wimey shenanigans going on, they could use that

[nocturne kiln]

The semantics don't really matter as far as her appearance goes. She looks pregnant, people will refer to her being pregnant. Heck, there have been jokes about Grendel being pregnant because he was fat

[balmy storm]

I cant believe we’ve had an mpreg frame for years

[floral belfry]

We're gonna get some "when does conception begin" discussions with this...

[nocturne kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[south wigeon]

I feel like the single biggest thing about the baby, even more then it being born, is that it's not designed

[floral belfry]

Just because we rebuilt a blueprint of jade that has a visual belly, does that mean the fetus is there as well?

[south wigeon]

Every Warframe is designed

But this baby? It's... well, not

and I feel like that's the single biggest implication about the baby, apart from it even existing

[floral belfry]

I'm so curious to eventually play as Orion in 3 years

[south wigeon]

It's the only natural Warframe, if it can even be called a Warframe

[floral belfry]

Yes the name is Orion, Siriusdorks leave

[south wigeon]

sadly we are outnumbered brotha

[nocturne kiln]

It's rebeca putting more jojo into warframe

[south wigeon]

People saw green, went "Jade's choice" and insta clicked Sirius

[floral belfry]

Orion is better because the Stalker is the one that will carry on, the child will grow up in his image no matter what, pledging too much to a parent that the child never knew is irresponsible imo

[south wigeon]

I feel like the only person who went with Orion becuase it was the name Sorren/Stalker chose

[floral belfry]

Who else do we add to the list of dads
Umbra, Vilcor, Stalker, uhhh

[nocturne kiln]

Can I at least explain why I named him Sirius? I didn't do it because of Harry potter, I didn't do it because of jade, I did I because of Stalker's acolytes. Wrath, Envy... It made sense that his son would be Serious (Sirius)

[south wigeon]

Ballas

[floral belfry]

That's terrible lol

[balmy storm]

I disagree, Sirius is there as an additional way to honor Jade’s memory and there’s nothing wrong with that

[nocturne kiln]

It's my right to be terrible

[nocturne kiln]

Parvos

There was a whole storyline about Nef Anyo being his descendant

[floral belfry]

Maybe, but Stalker will carry the pain of losing Jade forever, I saw the different name as a way to ensure that the child isnt associated with that as much. Also, Stalker will be the one to raise the child, so the child will likely grow to embody their name

[south wigeon]

I feel like having Parvos as a dad would be almost as bad as having Ballas as a dad.

[balmy storm]

It’s not irresponsible to the child to give them a name their mother wanted for them, it isn’t pledging the child to Jade, plus the child had her abilities to some extent
They will be raised by Stalker but they hold the Jade(‘s) light within them

[nocturne kiln]

Which Parvos confirmed and then pushed him away

[south wigeon]

"Is that you, my son?"

"No, that must be a different son."

[nocturne kiln]

Wasn't it confirmed that the Jade light was an orokin execution weapon?

[south wigeon]

Man, I think there's no prime trailer I am more excited for than Jade's. Ballas usually gets some really fire lines out of prime trailers, and what he will say for Jade is something I am very curious about. Gonna need to wait 4 years first but still.

[nocturne kiln]

"Yes, you are my son. And what a disappointment you are... I will will never acknowledge you as my heir."

[south wigeon]

Parvos committed murder on that day

Nef got cooked raw

[nocturne kiln]

Nef prepped the kitchen

[balmy storm]

They already are associated as much as one could be lol, Stalker will always carry their loss and will always associate the child with that to some extent.
And if they grow to embody their name I’d still choose Jade’s chosen name, she was a protector, a healer.

[balmy storm]

Yes, but she had access to it and so does the child

[floral belfry]

Maybe.... I just think it's better if the future is what Stalker keeps in mind when he looks at the child

[balmy storm]

Naming the child to honor Jade doesn’t really stop that from happening lol

[floral belfry]

His past, present, and future will always be that of a hunter, and now he has the chance to do those things for a greater purpose

No, but it's about association

The child is being raised by Stalker, the hunter, for the foreseeable future

Its the most fitting and most healthy name for that reason, imo

[balmy storm]

Yes, and the child has Jade’s light
The child will always be a culmination of the two, associated with both

[south wigeon]

You know... if Sirius/Orion is ever added as a Warframe, will DE use the name that was chosen the most? Will it change from person to person based on what they chose? Would that be possible?

[floral belfry]

I am almost certain that it will be a community voted thing

It was way too binary

[balmy storm]

It’s possible the playstyle could be different depending on how you names them

[south wigeon]

that would be amazing

[balmy storm]

Make them a frame only obtainable from a quest and their abilities are determined by their chosen name

[floral belfry]

I am kinda disappointed that most content creators dont experiment with stalkers abilities in their playthroughs, being able to stay 100% invisible and go through lasers really enhances the stalker power fantasy

They probably never got him in duviri lol

[balmy storm]

Probably yeah, I was invisible like
The whole time lmao

Stalker’s a stealthy killer

[south wigeon]

Probably part of why he struggles agains the Corpus at the end

aside from holding a baby, limiting him to just the scythe, he can't stealth

[floral belfry]

The part where Xeto asks "what is that" was so immersive because his invisibility ran out for one second when I was hacking lol

[south wigeon]

he isn't a straight fighter, he is a rogue

[floral belfry]

Stalker is way too cool to be a regular warframe, I love how they implemented him in the event

[south wigeon]

Xeto even says "doesn't fight like a Tenno"

[floral belfry]

Being a dad gives your melee weapons triple red crits and punchthrough projectiles lol

[balmy storm]

Agreed, i just hope his mode sticks around but it prob won’t 😔

[floral belfry]

The new "invasion" when Jade is in the party is so cool...

Just says "Never" drops his loot and leaves

[lusty basin]

I don't think Orion/Sirius will be a warframe, but a character for later content

Part of me is expecting them to be similar to a proto frame, more person with infestation armoring

[fierce summit]

Unless they grow absurdly fast it wouldn't make much sense

[lusty basin]

Yeah

[potent vine]

If Alad v had the kid then he (not a she cause His face made me think he was an elderly lady) would’ve found a way

[fierce summit]

I agree here, since we already know that Sirius/Orion can talk (Orokin-made Warframes can't do that) and Sirius/Orion has free will (Orokin-made Warframes almost never have that). So the closest comparison is a proto-frame like Arthur or Aoi.

It also means that if we ever got to control them as our operator (again unlikely but you never know), they would need have an Umbra-like passive where they run around on their own.

[potent vine]

||least we know corpus has a heart tbh||

[nova harness]

Just her

[balmy storm]

I mean
Its the infestation, it kinda does that lol

[lusty basin]

We don't know how the baby will develop tbh, it is unprecedented

[fierce summit]

Also it's only Helminth, the friendly infestation :)

[nova harness]

It’s definitely not a normal baby

[potent vine]

we don’t even see it’s face

[nova harness]

We sort of do

[fierce summit]

It has... uh.. protogen face

[potent vine]

So it’s….a hybrid?

[fierce summit]

All Warframes are

[tawdry socket]

Subsuming Jade to helminth feels wrong

[fierce summit]

It is

[real niche]

Sirius is some weird different thing from a Warframe

[floral belfry]

Parvos definitely didnt want to kill or take the child
A warframe child poses a unique opportunity for the Corpus to grow, he hates stagnation

[balmy storm]

In what way, all we know is it’s
Human
Infested
Was born from a warframe

[fierce summit]

It is since that's effectively the real Jade, memories and all.

[floral belfry]

Also like.... if stalker somehow survived.... parvos would be hiding out in his void dimension for another thousand years at minimum LOL

[potent vine]

Probally ballas has something to do with that whole pregnant frame knowing him

[floral belfry]

Imagine killing the child of a renowned assassin that hunts lesser void gods for fun

[nova harness]

Not probably he definitely does

[lusty basin]

We don't know if that really is the face either, or a protective covering.

[balmy storm]

Parvos is getting dangerously close to being an Orokin
And you know what we do to do those

[potent vine]

As punishment definitely for breaking Orokin rule

[nova harness]

Naga Drums intensifies

[potent vine]

||How would his acolytes feel about him being a dad now?||

[balmy storm]

[floral belfry]

Considering they still attack jade, they're obeying his old ideologies

[lusty basin]

Considering we've yet to get that Nef Anyo boss battle, Parvos gonna be in retirement by the time we get his

[floral belfry]

Probably either dont care or they're psychotic enough to think hes weak for it

[potent vine]

I can imagine them taking turns to babysit lol

[floral belfry]

Violence holds the baby and it immediately starts crying lol

[nova harness]

We need an Acolytes rework

[potent vine]

Torment and misery would really live up to their names and really not liking the idea of babysitting

[tawdry socket]

Badly needs one yeah

Fun fact despite hydroid not having undertow anymore, the ability still exists in the Sisters of Parvos ability pool

One of them having Tidal Surge reminded me

[floral belfry]

I would be a fan of implementing effervo-style damage attenuation on acolytes

[lusty basin]

Agreed, I love too that their dialog implied that we should be working together, which, considering who it was we were defending... I agree

[balmy storm]

I hope for the holidays we get a glyph of display of Stalker, Jade and the child in ugly christmas sweaters

[floral belfry]

Make people actually fight them instead of one shotting them

[potent vine]

Acolytes we’re recruited by stalker right?

[nova harness]

Yes

[floral belfry]

Not clear, they just called themselves his acolytes I think

Stalker has never commented

[lusty basin]

True

[nova harness]

He sent them after Alad

That’s all we know

[tawdry socket]

They're all different Immortal-skin Warframes with the stalker helmet that pursued Alad V after his helping us to find the Reservoir in Second Dream

That's the extent of it

[balmy storm]

2nd best thing he ever did

[lusty basin]

Alad deserved it, the roach

[balmy storm]

Me and my fellow tenno hate salad five 😎

[nova harness]

What’s the best thing he ever did?

[lusty basin]

Become a father

[potent vine]

And we ended up getting in their way

[potent vine]

even tho they say it in grineer and infested sectors-

[nova harness]

They have a habit of getting in my way it’s only fair

[lusty basin]

Kidnaps Alad V, hands him over to the Acolytes

Friendship!

[tawdry socket]

Always found it interesting not only how much Alad knows about us being "betrayers" but also that the Acolytes refer to him as "the Orokin Alad V"

Whether that's just an abandoned plot thread like anything else to do with the Acolytes and Alad V, who's to say

Cause the tenno betraying the Orokin can't be public knowledge since Little Duck asks why he calls us lot betrayers

[lusty basin]

Wouldn't it just be so weird if it turned out that Alad all this time was a continuity vessel for an Orokin

[tawdry socket]

We evidently tell people like Varzia and Quinn about it but ol' Alad seems to be missing some facts

GrayArchon here to give us the tea

[near rune]

Alad learned the truth about the Tenno at the same time we did. He said "I've seen inside a Tenno, and what I found didn't make sense." I highly doubt he was an Orokin. It's probably just Hunhow not knowing the difference between Orokin and human.

[prime lantern]

They call him orokin because hunhow is racist and thinks all human are orokin

Albrecht entrati calls alad v a corpus technocrat

[near rune]

Varzia knows because she watches old Aya memories. Quinn knows because he's a Void construct and just sorta knows. The Quills know because of the Unum. We interact with a lot of people who know, but in terms of the general universe, it's a small number.

[prime lantern]

Hard to keep secrets from an almost omniscient meat tower

[lusty basin]

Yeah, if it turned out that way, it'd be kinda stupid

Honestly I'm hoping Alad V died

[balmy storm]

Gray, do all Warframes the tenno use have transference bolts?

[void mantle]

This was amazing 🤩

[lusty basin]

One last betrayal before getting obliterated

[near rune]

I think so. I think the term isn't used until The Sacrifice which makes it hard to tell, but the context of the sentence makes me think yes.

[nova harness]

I call him a technorat

[balmy storm]

Ty

[prime lantern]

I second this

[balmy storm]

I like getting second opinions

[nova harness]

I like reminding Stalker that he’s a father now and should give up his old grudge

[prime lantern]

It's incredible how confidently wrong people are

Like I've never met a player base more confidently wrong about the lore

[nova harness]

I’ve met players with worse theories

[obtuse gyro]

^previously someone else said that atlas destroyed a planet 50x the size of earth with a meteor

[prime lantern]

No he said inaros did that

Like he got the limbo part right

[tawdry socket]

Is this comparing the Tenno to the Guardians of destiny

[prime lantern]

Yea

It was guardians vs warframe

I found the comments funny

[balmy storm]

“Meteor that was the size of the universe” gotta be a troll

[tawdry socket]

Now that's an interesting thought experiment on how destiny's Paracausal powers measure up to Void powers, but tiktok comments are not where you have that discussion

[prime lantern]

I was doing the belly of beast thing with 4 jades and ordis said "these motes are all that is left of jade"

I would disagree

There's 4 jades here right now

[tawdry socket]

Remember how DE said that Jade was gonna be a support frame

[prime lantern]

There's a tt made with the help of yours truly explaining it

[tawdry socket]

Oh?

[prime lantern]

I can dm it to you if you want

[tawdry socket]

I mean you can probably link it here no? It's on topic

Unless you don't want the free exposure ofc >:3

[lusty basin]

Atlas destroying a planet with a meteor? 🤣

[prime lantern]

The bot has a fit with links sometimes

I sent you the link

[obtuse gyro]

Both are "wahoo! Space magic" so it will be a doozy

[prime lantern]

It's not magic bau

Small minds call it magic

[obtuse gyro]

Small minds will call it magic and I am a small mind

[lusty basin]

"I'm sorry, that was Sephiroth not Atlas, mah bad"

[near rune]

hahahaha what

[prime lantern]

I'm not sure

I see alot of comments like this

[lusty basin]

They never did this in the lore wtf

Limbo is right though

Actually, one of the few times the lore actually explains why his parts are everywhere

[nocturne kiln]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke

[prime lantern]

It's not that me and my friend who's a physics major talked about that

Paracausalality from destiny isn't magic because no self consistent form of mathematics and physics would properly classify it

[south wigeon]

even when people get it somewhat right, they neglect to mention the part where he first weakened the asteroid's internal structure with a whole lotta rumblers and the part where Atlas is literally a frame that controls rock

[prime lantern]

Also that

[nocturne kiln]

It's about perception. If you do not understand enough of the concepts behind which something functions, it may as well be magic to you.

[south wigeon]

I've seen people say Gauss is light speed based on the bolded parts in this:

I see a vivid Lord-like Festival, the tremor mines bursting in a blinding wave, rising toward Altra. And Gauss - a** smear of light**, just ahead of the thermal avalanche - fast as fire. No... faster.

[nocturne kiln]

Faster than fire, not light

[prime lantern]

Are yall with familiar with mark tegmark hes a physicist and cosmologist

[nocturne kiln]

Can't say I am

[south wigeon]

I've also seen someone say Umbra is light speed because of that part in Sacrifice where he blocks the beams from Sentients

Some people are just incredibly wrong or make stuff up from thin air

[prime lantern]

Basically smart man he came to with a 4 tier system to describe cosmologies

Type 1 is any finite universe
Type 2 is any infinite universe
Type 3 starts dealing with multiverses specifically the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics

Type 4 deals with alternative universes with drastically different start conditions physics and mathematics

Warframes would be a type 3

Alot of fictions deal with a type 3

Destiny has a type 4 an infinite garden with every possible variation of mathematics and physics so paracausalality isn't magic because it operates outside of all of them a rule in parallel to them all so it could never be understood

And now some guy is trying to tell me tenno can't be killed by old age

People are so confidently wrong about the lore it's wild

Lotus and palidino literally say rell would have died to old age

[lusty basin]

I guess that implies that tenno have died of old age before

[prime lantern]

Yea rell would've died had he not permanently transferred into harrow

[south wigeon]

Sorry now that I started, I can't not share some like this that I saw

[prime lantern]

Simulor does do that

[south wigeon]

not a black hole

[prime lantern]

I mean technically it's singularitys

But that's just the start part of a black hole

[south wigeon]

the only properties it shares with a black hole or singularity is that it's a hole that's black

aka like most ""black holes"" in fiction

[prime lantern]

Like that's the part with all the mass

I mean granted it were a real black hole it would cause anyone nearby to get super cancer

But like ehhh that's not that important

[south wigeon]

hence why (along with a whole slew of other reasons, like not acting like a black hole/singularity in general) it's not a black hole

[prime lantern]

There's also the void hole railjack ability

Which if it were a real black hole would be unleashing more energy than every star in our galaxy plus a few million more galaxies every second

[obtuse gyro]

The tell tale signs of someone not knowing just how big space is

[south wigeon]

to be fair, I don't think Rell ever actually tested whether he ages or not?

[prime lantern]

Rell chose to Transference because he knew he was dying from old age

[south wigeon]

we know this can't be the case, otherwise why haven't we aged when we would have become tenno the same time as any other tenno that could have aged to death

[prime lantern]

Long dream

Rell wasn't put in cryosleep we were

[south wigeon]

no, what I mean is what they say in the quest

Rell can't intrinsically know whether he will age or not unless he actually tests that

[prime lantern]

You can feel when you're aging

Like old people know they're getting old

And rell had been awake for about a thousand years

And transference into harrow at an unknown time during that thousand years to escape aging

[south wigeon]

This is also Warframe where people have lifespans in the hundreds of years at least without accounting for void shenanigans, and that's Corpus, with their tech being far inferior to that of Orokin

[prime lantern]

Yes but because of varzia and rell we can now estimate lifespans

To be on the high end around a thousand

[south wigeon]

It's like when people say there is dozens or hundreds of Tenno at best, without realizing how ridiculously tiny that number is for even just a solar system

[prime lantern]

I believe the number is around 50 thousand

As said by the business

[nova harness]

Business gives an actual number not just guesstimate?

[prime lantern]

He says a number

[lusty basin]

Well, if Lotus worries about the Tenno, then I think that implies they have some level of mortality, she's lived long enough

[south wigeon]

As someone willing to use the Fortuna ARG numbers despite them being game-statistics, because they aren't presented as game statistics, I think that's too little too, I doubt more than half of all Tenno (30k) would show up for that event, because the rest of the system ain't stopping

[prime lantern]

It's the best number we got

[south wigeon]

Frankly, from what I understand, the solar system is big enough that the player number of millions is genuinely justifiable if they ever want to go in that direction

[prime lantern]

Well it needs to be relatively low since it's canon that we have nowhere close to enough tenno to deal with the Corpus and grineer en mass

[south wigeon]

our numbers only need to be low relative to theirs though

again, the solar system is "screw you" big

[lusty basin]

Besides, Grineer can just mass produce clones off an assembly. Even if we were sizable in number, that's still daunting

[south wigeon]

especially if the parts of the solar system that the factions in the origin system are able to access include the Oort cloud

Like it's hard to grasp how big our solar system is

[lusty basin]

And Corpus have endless robotics

And they have mobile foundries that just pop them out

Literally not enough Tenno for the long haul

[south wigeon]

yeah. It's really just "what do we want the numbers for Grineer, Corpus and Tenno to be?" because that millions of Tenno is justifiable with the size of the system, but yeah, moving on from this discussion

[south wigeon]

This is something people get wrong too

I've had someone genuinely say that we are intentionally not ending the forever war between Corpus and Grineer even though we are capable of doing so

[graceful zodiac]

It's specifically we can't deal with one with complete focus. We could wholesale wipe out one but then that leaves those vulnerable to the other

[prime lantern]

We are intentionally not ending the war

[south wigeon]

sorta-ish

[prime lantern]

No not sorta we are intentionally not ending the war

[south wigeon]

they think we can put a stop it whenever we want and just end both sides whenever we want but that we are choosing not to

[graceful zodiac]

Oh no, we absolutely can't end the war

[prime lantern]

Yea

[south wigeon]

when the actual situation is more akin to "We have to keep the two major forces from gaining a decisive advantage over the other while keeping the infestation in check because if any one of those three ever becomes a dominant force, we can't stop them and they will gain full control"

[lusty basin]

We are doing small skirmishes for a reason

And plot-wise we are slowly gaining a resistance force

[south wigeon]

and cutting off the snake's head is precisely what led to the current situation so that ain't a viable option either

granted that was probably exacerbated by our long sleep but still

[lusty basin]

Well, yeah, though the Orokin absolutely had to go

This is... Different

At least the Seven had to go

[nova harness]

Why do I think your pfp is Stalker everytime I see it?

[lusty basin]

Me? Hahaha

It does have a WF vibe, don't it?

[nova harness]

Indeed

[lusty basin]

Is a red knight in organic armor, which is... Yeah, pretty wf-esque

Guess I have a fondness for the aesthetic

[cinder kernel]

Not sure where to ask this question but what happened to the old stalker voice actor? I assume because stalker wasnt used for anything for years until now that the old one was a one time gig?

I put it here since i dont wanna spoil new players about stalker being in the new quest in general

[lusty basin]

I think it is more because his old voice was kinda... Oversaturated with effects and hard to make out?

And they needed something more distinct

[cinder kernel]

Oh so voice effects were overused because old one was not really a voice actor?

[graceful zodiac]

There's no given reason

For WF, it's mostly likely they just wanted something new from an inhouse employee

[lusty basin]

I just assume they needed to humanize him more

Actually, the old voice, I think may have just been a member of the sound team

[formal grove]

quick theory

going by the chin, Arthur has the Mordred helmet

in the legend, Mordred killed King Arthur

DE being cheeky and hinting to us that Arthur dies at some point in the 1999 update?

[lusty basin]

Wow.

Well, he wasn't looking so hot in the teaser

Though doubt he's going to die

But even if he does die, either proto-Trinity going to revive him or proto-volt does some defib action, or Aoi does something with magnets, I dunno

I mean, given this is likely some new play area, doubt they'd just kill off main dude

[obtuse gyro]

Where did you get proto-trin from? The furthest we get is a possible proto-volt but theres nothing indicating a proto-trin

[lusty basin]

Purely speculation since she's an early frame

I don't even know how many protos we are getting tbh

[thick jolt]

trinity is on pluto behind quite the bothersome boss

[lusty basin]

Early in terms of release date

Not progression

Oh yeah, she was one of the original 8

So, yeah, there could be a proto trinity

[balmy storm]

Depending on the gameplay of 1999 I could see trinity being useful

Especially if not every frame gets a proto counterpart, trinity could be the best support

[plain wagon]

I remember grinding for her systems for a whole day man that sucked. I had tons of credits afterwards though lol. Never touching that assassination ever again

[lusty basin]

I don't expect every closed beta frame to get a proto counterpart, but I expect a good chunk of them will

Kinda just... makes sense

also curious what original frame we'll get from WF 1999

[balmy storm]

I hope if Loki gets one they maybe rework them some

Would be interesting if the proto frame counterparts were ever so slightly different but idk

[lusty basin]

Proto-Loki turns out to be a triple agent

[balmy storm]

omg he’s actually working for the infested!
ahaha jk he’s cool
nvm he just made a deal with wally 😦

[lusty basin]

🤣

Wally gets double-crossed. Wally just stands there until the end and just busts out laughing

"Hahahaha! I was the fool! AHAHAHAHA!"

[balmy storm]

Dude just fully loses it

Now that I’d want to see, Wally making a massive mistake

[near rune]

Trinity was like the only support/healing warframe for the longest time. Right now her kit is basically trivial but it was essential back in the day. It would be interesting to see DE call back to that time.

[balmy storm]

Agreed!

[rain otter]

to be fair Trin has a lot of healing still but like we don't have any content that needs it. Like her best use was raids and then Eidolons. So like even when she was good she wasn't like WIDE RANGE good.

[rain otter]

I think she needs some buffs and stuff but she isn't like terrible. The like worst "support" is Oberon.

he's so bad. like vabuan tier.

[near rune]

How dare. Oberon is my main. Well, Dante is my main now.

[rain otter]

Oberon HASNT BEEN GOOD IN LIKE 100 years don't lie to me Gray.

he was OKAY as a SOLO for eidolons.