spoiler-chat

[obtuse gyro]

Everyone who does not know about the kids collectively refer to the whole group of warframes as the Tenno

[gusty pebble]

Hmm

[obtuse gyro]

Unless you know about the kids there is no distinction between warframe and tenno. And that is by design

[gusty pebble]

Lil duck quill

[nova harness]

The Word Tenno was even used before we had access to the kids

[obtuse gyro]

those are the two goobers who know about the kids??? youre not supporting your point

[teal galleon]

yeah but the quills are implied to know everything

[gusty pebble]

How did they know then

Enlighten me

[primal merlin]

The only desire that could rival Parvos's greed was dunking on the Orokin lmao. Hearing him glaze up Ordan Karris in the new Operation is fun. Even if he's antagonistic towards Ordis as he currently is.

[woeful patio]

Alad only has a master rank on warframes the only thing he knows about the tennos is they are from zariman, nothing more than this, the only true knowledge about the tennos are from orokins, and they are pretty dead

[nova harness]

They make amps for the kids

[covert tree]

Are you stupid

[woeful patio]

Even our tenno have problems to remember about its past

[gusty pebble]

Yeah some goober on earthand a broken machine know how to make amp for no reason

[obtuse gyro]

Quills are agents of the Unum, the mysterious tower who somehow knows much more than what normal people should know, and Lil duck has a somewhat of a partnership with the quills

The Children are a closely kept secret

[gusty pebble]

They arent even relatedto lotus

[obtuse gyro]

like this much was the point of the Second Dream

[gusty pebble]

I forgot

Abt unum

[gusty pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[primal merlin]

Unrelated note: Unum is a name that begins with the letter U, and I wouldn't be entirely opposed to the Unum finally getting a body that we can communicate with. Would be a cool character to fill out the alphabet of Warframes 👀

[obtuse gyro]

You are a most peculiar creature

[covert tree]

Bruh the quills can see past present and likely ofc they know about the tenno

[nova harness]

Bro already said he forgot about Unum

I wonder if they have even done their quests

[gusty pebble]

What r u on abt

[gusty pebble]

Ss

[covert tree]

I missed that sorry and I've been watching this argument closely

[woeful patio]

Bro what is this dude on...

[gusty pebble]

Quills were starter quests r u stupid

[woeful patio]

He is avoiding lore accurate facts

[gusty pebble]

This is a discussion what r u trashin me abt

Challenged

[gusty pebble]

Gimme proof on this fact

[covert tree]

Talk to him about his ex wife

[nova harness]

I am in fact not stupid as I know about Unum Tenno and most things you seem to have ignored in all the quests that exist in this game

[covert tree]

I can't he mentions it in the dialogue

[gusty pebble]

I returned after so long 3 years

[primal merlin]

Bruh

[nova harness]

Then listen to what we are saying as we haven’t just returned after 3 years and have it fresh in our brains

[gusty pebble]

It says they can divine future but y past and present ?

[gusty pebble]

I am gimme proof like bau does rather trashing me with no facts and not even providing in the convo smh

[nova harness]

We did give facts you refused to listen

[obtuse gyro]

Saya... If he- if Onkko- if I could have shown her how catalogues of possible futures fanned out from the moment I could choose, could have chosen, to stay, none of them end, ended, well. None, save one: this one. The one where I left. (sigh) This future ends so well for her, for Konzu, for Cetus. As eviscerating a choice as it was, it was the only one I could live with. Some day, I swear, this is- but- this was... this will be borne out. Speak of this no more. To be crushed by the singular excruciates. (sigh) What's done is done. Enough.

"Once, long ago, I would look backwards, feeling for the fading tendrils of our might-have-beens. But those avenues are closed now, too far gone. Instead, I comfort myself with the music of the universe and the sense of her close by. Her choices brush against me, like the arm of a passing stranger, and I am... happy."
Onkko with regards to his wife

[gusty pebble]

Dont get group cred now

[woeful patio]

If challenged you means someone trying to understand what are you yapping about yeah..

[gusty pebble]

They couldnt foretell ballas ?

[covert tree]

They need to make sure everything goes right

So if that means doing something wrong they'll do it

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, sometimes you need to take the L to get the overall W

[gusty pebble]

Hmm

[primal merlin]

As with leaving his wife, it's possible (but this is conjecture) that they knew Narmer was gonna happen and they had to let a bad thing happen for the best overall timeline to take place.

[gusty pebble]

Someone include this mf he dont know what is even happening smh

[gusty pebble]

Idk

[graceful zodiac]

That's explicitly how the Quills work

[gusty pebble]

Im still kinda vague on what happened after mitw poped at the end of thenew war quest

Is he in out or what

[graceful zodiac]

They will do what they can to get the optimal path, including letting themselves die

[gusty pebble]

And y the big people on sanctum

[gusty pebble]

I think they cant change the future but only see it

[primal merlin]

I mean yeah, but I mean that the Quills and their agents never explicitly tell us what their plans are or what they see so we can only assume how much foresight into Narmer they had.

[gusty pebble]

"We are each one viewpoint within the myriad that comprises the Unum. We watch, we anticipate, we intercede."

No proof on them interceding

[graceful zodiac]

Like said, they almost certainly saw it, but necessary evils

[gusty pebble]

Hopefully in future

[graceful zodiac]

The Quills very much do intercede, it's the effort point of someone like Little Duck

[gusty pebble]

Which part of tuna quest do lil duck have dialogue?

Pt was biz and

[covert tree]

If you go to her before quills she tells you to go there

[primal merlin]

Don't even really need to play a specific quest to see their intervention anyway. The fact that they let Little Duck know about us beforehand, and then give us jobs to do in exchange for amps and other resources? They're subtly guiding things.

[gusty pebble]

Imagine geting delivered with cloths

[fair wedge]

Does the decision at the end effect anything gameplay wise yet? Like a green stalker in duvurii or something?

[gusty pebble]

No

Stalker still pursue us in game even after quest so no

[nova harness]

If you play as Jade, Stalker says No and leaves dropping the loot

[fair wedge]

Sounds awesome

[gusty pebble]

Zamn

[gusty pebble]

Fr?

[thick jolt]

Yup

[gusty pebble]

I dont want ballas no mor

[thick jolt]

We are all out of that we have misguided hero that uses people and discards them

[nova harness]

Does it matter which version of Ascension you select?

[wild wind]

Only the event version gives the motes you can use to buy eidolon arcanes and the Hate skin

[tawdry socket]

omg its been hours is bro STILL ballas hating

ballas is a "love to hate" villain cause he is entirely irredeemable as a person

[nova harness]

When I first saw Ballas I thought he looked pretty cool then I hated him

[tawdry socket]

"OMG AN ACTUAL LIVING OROKIN"

"Oh I hate this guy wow"

[nova harness]

Yes

[tawdry socket]

his VA killed it though, like stellar performance

[nova harness]

The VA is the best part of Prime trailers

[tawdry socket]

frfr

that said can't wait for the Loid narrated Qorvex Prime and the Albrecht narrated Dante Prime, or vice versa

like Protea

[fair wedge]

There are also the alerts that give a lot more of the event item

15 per mission

[nova harness]

Tag team trailer with both

[tawdry socket]

Drusus probably fits Dante equally if not more but that accent is NOT a trailer voice

[gusty pebble]

Yeah

Sp gives 12 to 14 per 9 min if u lucky capture exterm sabotage are faster and 15

[nocturne kiln]

Does Wally not exist?

[gusty pebble]

I dont think wally a villain

[nova harness]

He was just hating to hate

[gusty pebble]

Like dude u like ballas

[nocturne kiln]

Someone brought up a question to me and I wanted to post it so I could get some feedback: Why can the Stalker talk? Aren't warframes almost explicitly unable to talk? The most they can do is scream.

[gusty pebble]

[tawdry socket]

It's not exactly like he talks well

[gusty pebble]

He is a helminthed

[tawdry socket]

In this case he's not just a warframe but the actual original copy of a Helminth infested human

[nocturne kiln]

They why does Umbra not talk?

[tawdry socket]

Whereas all the others are replicated from blueprints

[tawdry socket]

He's rebuilt

[nova harness]

Because he’s a Warframe

[gusty pebble]

Idk if there is an operator behind him or if he is the operator

[nocturne kiln]

Umbra certainly would have choice words to say

[nocturne kiln]

So is Stalker

[nova harness]

We don’t actually know what Stalker is past his name

[tawdry socket]

OUR UMBRA WAS REMADE IN OUR FOUNDRY FROM A BLUEPRINT HE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL

This was a pretty important part in the quest

[nocturne kiln]

Big letters equal right

Anyways

[tawdry socket]

Does no one else remember when Umbra comes alive right after building him jfc

[gusty pebble]

Yeah

[gusty pebble]

Dude u need to chill on caps fr

Child

[tawdry socket]

It's a point that I keep seeing in this server and I do everything I can to fight misinformation

[nocturne kiln]

Stalker is at the very least an infested individual who was put through at least some of the same processes that turn and individual into a warframe.

Before Umbra was shattered and then needed to be rebuilt (wait, he has the same mind though?) He certainly should have been able to talk

[gusty pebble]

U r the misimformed one

[nocturne kiln]

Unless we're just going for "he's insane" type of logic

[tawdry socket]

Also, the dax (forgot his name) physically lost his ability to talk

[gusty pebble]

There is a operator behind stalker

[nova harness]

Umbra or Issah?

[tawdry socket]

https://youtu.be/_zmU4TRymRE?t=1397

Timestamped

[gusty pebble]

All ability are helminthed

[nocturne kiln]

Right. Jade, the original, also doesn't seem to talk, unless stalkers "flashbacks" are actually her using telepathy

[nova harness]

Umbra doesn’t have an Operator until we jump in

[gusty pebble]

Proves my point

[obtuse gyro]

stalker likely did not go through the normal warframing process

[nocturne kiln]

So, again: why is only stalker talking. Unless it's just "dont worry about it, its storytime"

[gusty pebble]

He did so many alterations to hunt tenno

[tawdry socket]

Me: "you rebuild Umbra in the foundry" shows a timestamp of you rebuilding Umbra

"Nah clearly you're wrong and I'm right lol"

bricky's face is right there

[nocturne kiln]

If umbra is a recreation of the original, why does he still have his memories?

[gusty pebble]

Bruv both are same y do u think his memory is there

[obtuse gyro]

ok so, from what we can tell frames dont lose the ability to make noises, and from the looks of things stalker has retained some form of sanity, which might explain his limited ability to converse. Mind you he's not very eloquent here, but he speaks nonetheless

[tawdry socket]

because of the reverse transference bolt that ballas installed for that explicit purpose was I the only one that played this quest

[gusty pebble]

@obtuse gyro wt do u think about there bein operator behind him ?

[obtuse gyro]

being rebuilt via blueprint doesnt necessarily mean that they lose their memories. rather I submit to you that all frames still retain their "memories" or whatnot, but are simply rendered inert via transference bolt

[obtuse gyro]

an operator for stalker? no I highly doubt he has one

[gusty pebble]

^

[nocturne kiln]

I don't think stalker is an operator. He's a pseudo warframe at the minimum

[obtuse gyro]

you send that screenshot like it proves that stalker has an operator; it doesnt

[gusty pebble]

Im not proving bruv y r u beefing

I was only trying to protect u from same fate says that we were in similar situatiom ryt

[nocturne kiln]

Funny thing is, Stalker must have been infested with the technocyte virus before the Orokin fell in order for jade to have saved him. So his intense emotions can't be the reason why he's able to talk. He'd need to have had the capability from the begining. But why?

[tawdry socket]

If anything, "the possibility of yourself and your wife being piloted by void magic space children and losing their free will after already having their free will robbed by being injected with the Helminth strain" makes more sense to why he'd absolutely go insane

[nova harness]

Warframes aren’t Technocyte virus

[nocturne kiln]

Bruh

[tawdry socket]

Technocyte is Dark Sector isn't it

[gusty pebble]

@obtuse gyro also do u have any take on the black eyes on the new war quest

[nocturne kiln]

So is the word Tenno. They recycled a lot

[obtuse gyro]

hm, the possibility might, in a similar vein albrecht not knowing if he or wally escaped did indeed adversely affect him

[nova harness]

It exists in Warframe but isn’t used to create Warframes

[obtuse gyro]

black eyes where?

[nocturne kiln]

The infestation is only what happens when the Technocyte virus goes out of control, like a cancerous growth

[gusty pebble]

Near the new war when erra talks to lotus

[nocturne kiln]

The Technocyte virus is what was used to create warframes.

[gusty pebble]

Idk if it was the pre vids or after stafting the quest

[nova harness]

No it isn’t did you not listen in the Sacrifice?

[gusty pebble]

Multiple operators were around lotus and they werent talkin felt weird witj black eyes

The convo was erra saying u forgot brother or something

[obtuse gyro]

While it is true that the nanospore flavour text do refer to the infestation as ~~the ~~technocyte virus, most texts would use the term infested strain instead of technocyte, especially with regards to things like the Helminth Strain being used to create warframes

[nova harness]

"We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid. Transformed, but only just. The 'Helminth' was created, born to yield these new warriors, worthy of battle against you, the great and terrible Hunhow."

[nocturne kiln]

Seems they have updated the wiki from some time ago. Technocyte has been relegated to the name of a strain of infested, while the helminth strain was used to create warframes. Before helminth was a thing, technocyte was what was stated to have created warframes

[near rune]

Wiki isn't authoritative.

[nocturne kiln]

Right but it's not bad as a double check for lore

[nova harness]

This is why you don’t trust everything the wiki tells you

[tawdry socket]

the wiki is also Fandom Wiki and is the legitimate epitome of people crying about how "Wikipedia can be changed by anyone!1!11!!1"

[nova harness]

This is why you trust Orokin Archives

[obtuse gyro]

tbvh, thats a case of wiki BS, because there are what? two mentions of the technocyte virus in warframe and none of them are about warframe creation

[nocturne kiln]

Listen, I've played this game since 2014. Lore has changed repeatedly. Sometimes it's hard for me to keep track of all the changes

[gusty pebble]

I just gave u proof in game smh

@nocturne kiln

[simple python]

I just want to foot this entire debate by saying: I hope DE, at some point, makes a quest specifically about the formation of the first warframe.

[obtuse gyro]

Not your fault, till this day some of us have to continually return to the wiki to clear out headcannons from the entries

[nova harness]

Orokin Archives is the true Warframe Wikipedia

[nocturne kiln]

I'm already saying you guys are right and that the lore has changed. I don't understand why you're continuing on with "why won't you listen! You're wrong!"

Not you bau. Mostly Beast

[gusty pebble]

What i do

[nocturne kiln]

@ me

[gusty pebble]

U didnt reply me i thought i was muted smh

And i only helped u not put u down bruv

[obtuse gyro]

if it would please you, technocyte isnt just a strain exactly, from the looks of the second only mention (as far as I can find), technocyte is like the uh, scientific overarching name of the infestation?

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

Its like saaaay. Infestation and Technocyte are like saying "Influenza" and Helminth is like saying "H1N1"

[nocturne kiln]

Anyways. infested or otherwise, Sorren's new form must have had the capability to speak from the begining

[gusty pebble]

Idk if its sorren actually

[simple python]

What -

[nocturne kiln]

Bruh

[gusty pebble]

I thought stepdady stalker

Nuu

[nocturne kiln]

Explicitly stated to be him

[nova harness]

Sorren is Stalker

[gusty pebble]

Ss

[obtuse gyro]

imo the warframe inability to speak must have been a cognitive thing, baked into the design of the warframe. If stalker was the one who did his own job of turning himself into a warframe body, he might have skipped on that part

[nocturne kiln]

Pft. They made Stalker and Ballas was just like "having them talk is creepy. Let's take that out for the ones in the future"

[gusty pebble]

Like they were used like fighter drones at the start dont need mouth for slvs from orokin pov

[near rune]

Cordylon also refers to the whole Infestation as Technocyte, in his 18th and 23rd entries.

[simple python]

We can infer at least, that Jade was turned into a warframe as cruel pagentry for violating the "Legems" Legumes

Idk about Sorren yet. He might've been as well.

[gusty pebble]

@nova harness @nocturne kiln ss me on this

[nocturne kiln]

Stalker was there when the Orokin were betrayed by the Tenno. That's where Jade saved him from being killed. He was already infested and, unless it was by orokin command that he do so, they would not have let him into the halls like that. They'd have branded him an abomination.

[gusty pebble]

Was jade with stalker the whole time ? Only now he asks help

[gusty pebble]

He was saved yes but can u please give proof on sorren=stalker

I remember hunhow saying what did u do to deserve being saved by the executioner

[spice sparrow]

Why do you think Stalker is even helping Jade?

[nocturne kiln]

On Lua, a narration reveals that Sorren is Stalker's previous identity, and was Jade's husband who swore to protect his family in spite of Orokin laws.

[spice sparrow]

Also the Low Guardian cosmetic straight it says that Sorren is Stalker

[nocturne kiln]

Yup yup

[gusty pebble]

What cosmetic ?

[spice sparrow]

The one you can get at Ordis

[gusty pebble]

[gusty pebble]

Goat ty

[nocturne kiln]

Anyways

[obtuse gyro]

That's where Jade saved him from being killed.
IMO that scene could have happened any time during the collapse, not necessarily on the night of naga drums. We know that multiple executors managed to escape, albeit momentarily from the slaughter, only to be caught in the end, so theres certainly a window for action

[nocturne kiln]

The stalker has a text entry somewhere in the game where he talks about hearing the drums of the ceremony in which the oromin were going to honor the Tenno. About how he became apprehensive, and wanted to speak out, but found he couldn't bring himself to. How he watched the tenno strike down the orokin all at once.

[tawdry socket]

oromin

[nocturne kiln]

Oh whatever

[tawdry socket]

also p sure that's the Shadow Stalker codex

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly

[gusty pebble]

Doesnt lore say a sentient killed the orokim

[nocturne kiln]

So we have his point of view, giving context to when and where he was

[gusty pebble]

Werent their base in earth only?

[nocturne kiln]

What. No. Where?

[gusty pebble]

Like the towers in earth

Unum lore i read

[nocturne kiln]

No, that's why the Tenno are unforgivable to the Stalker. We laid the Golden Lords low.

[obtuse gyro]

correct, however, as I've said, some executors managed to escape, leaving room for stalker as sorren to likewise escape, turn himself into stalker, try to 1v1 excal, lose and get saved unknowingly by his wife

[gusty pebble]

Only earth my bad orokin main base was in lua

And if there is no deterioration will the baby subject to overgrowth

So many loose ends

[nocturne kiln]

Also no. The orokin were based throughout the origin system and in the void

[gusty pebble]

Void what

[nocturne kiln]

The entrati family were also orokin and had thier home on deimos

[gusty pebble]

If u r referring to rj is it void actually ?

[nocturne kiln]

What do you think orokin towers are?

The void mimicking the orokin??

[gusty pebble]

Isnt the real void where mitw at?

Im so confused rn

[gusty pebble]

Isnt that just space

[nocturne kiln]

Not at all. It's an alternate dimension

[gusty pebble]

Im so lost

[nocturne kiln]

It's not part of our reality

[obtuse gyro]

some orokin towers are based in the void, its just like that

[nocturne kiln]

Point is that they were everywhere

[gusty pebble]

Then y is it called void powers

Am i tripin or are u tripin

[obtuse gyro]

void towers are found it the void homie

[gusty pebble]

I thought they difted away or something

Like lose comets

[nova harness]

The Orokin towers in the Void were to hide from the Sentients

[obtuse gyro]

theyre called void towers because theyre in the void

[gusty pebble]

Then what is mitw space called ?

[nova harness]

Void

The labs one is the Void tileset

[gusty pebble]

This is a big jumble for me

So xaku was lost in the normal starcharts void ?

[nova harness]

Yes

[gusty pebble]

Did we get our powers in there

[nova harness]

Yes

[gusty pebble]

Min was lost there ?

Rell was stranded there ?

[nova harness]

The Zariman was found adrift in the Void

[gusty pebble]

Wheres duviri at ?

[nova harness]

In the Void

[gusty pebble]

Alternate dimension ryt

What

[nova harness]

The Void is a big place

Bigger than you can see

[nocturne kiln]

The void is a vast untime.

[gusty pebble]

Mitw then ?

[nova harness]

He’s in the Void

[gusty pebble]

My take on lore just plummeted real bad

[nova harness]

Even has his own Void tileset

[spice sparrow]

Wally is the Void, or at least 50% of it

He’s huge

[gusty pebble]

So y did he need special equipment to travel there

Dont our ship travel fine ?

[nova harness]

You can easily get lost in the Void

[spice sparrow]

It’s like going to North America by swimming without a map

[gusty pebble]

Then y cant mitw cross

[spice sparrow]

Because he’s too big

[gusty pebble]

He can project to our location

[nova harness]

He’s trapped in the Wall

[gusty pebble]

No i think his finger in rj swell

[nova harness]

The Wall being the Void

[nocturne kiln]

He is too vast to fit into our reality. Like Cthulu, he is beyond being totally comprehended

[nova harness]

He was in our reality

[spice sparrow]

Speaking of Wally, did anyone notice habitations in the labs tileset’s skybox?

What’s the deal with that?

[nocturne kiln]

He is coming through like a stream of water spewing out out of a huge dam through a hole the size of a grain of sand. if we do nothing, the hole will widen and the dam wil break

[gusty pebble]

I thought there were different dimensions which are 0 in our reality but 1 in other reality so different 3d beings get snuffed when they try to get in

[nova harness]

There is the Granum Void

[gusty pebble]

Seriously new take still dont understand how we can travel fine in to wall and bypass it

[nocturne kiln]

you need conceptualization of concepts often present in lovecraftian mythos

[nova harness]

We aren’t trapped

[gusty pebble]

Y is there a trap mech

[spice sparrow]

The Corrupted

[gusty pebble]

Hmm

[spice sparrow]

Also have you seen what you’re piloting?

[gusty pebble]

Yea

I also want detail on the white specters on lua around the tree trunks

[obtuse gyro]

to put it into some context, imagine the void as an ocean and reality as dry land. We can slip into the ocean and swim just fine, but creatures of the ocean might find it somewhat challenging to stay on dry land

[obtuse gyro]

0 details on that one for years now

[gusty pebble]

So did anyother orokin encounter mitw?

[spice sparrow]

"Somewhat challenging"

[spice sparrow]

Albrecht

[gusty pebble]

Other*

[spice sparrow]

You know, the mf who literally discovered the Void and first met him

[obtuse gyro]

somewhat, because wally can still show up as clones, but he doesnt appear to have that free of a reign in reality as you might expect something free to do so

[gusty pebble]

Gomairu dad

[gusty pebble]

How did we do the handshake

[nova harness]

Mother sort of did

[obtuse gyro]

that was in the void, but also what does that have to do with what I said

[gusty pebble]

Isnt albrecht the dad of mother ?

[nova harness]

Yes

[spice sparrow]

Depending on what you see as Orokin, then Rell and Loid also met him

(Loid even directly fought him)

[gusty pebble]

Dont sweat the lil details but im really at the curious pace

[spice sparrow]

I’m also like 1000% sure Parvos met him at some point

And Baro too

[valid jolt]

Baro once met him, but I don’t think he’s Orokin

[gusty pebble]

I think unum is infested @obtuse gyro whats ur take

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think the unum is infested

the infested havent really been shown to be able to straight up pause time like the unum

[spice sparrow]

That’s not Infestation, that’s just meat

[obtuse gyro]

^

[spice sparrow]

If the Unum was Infested, Cetus wouldn’t exist

[nova harness]

That’s Kuva

[gusty pebble]

As the tower is made out of living flesh, the Ostrons use explosives to selectively harvest her biologically regrowable walls, under her permission and direction, to provide meat for their families and collect the blood, Temple Kuva, for other uses. Leftover shells of the walls are also used as building materials.

Damn

[obtuse gyro]

uhuh, none of that says "infestation"

[gusty pebble]

Still infested is also meat

[gusty pebble]

Yeah im guessing

[obtuse gyro]

infested is meat, but meat is not necessarily infested

[spice sparrow]

Direct contact with the Infestation turns you into an Infested

[gusty pebble]

Still said to be mysterious being

Hasnt been defined yet

[obtuse gyro]

with abilities that thus far have defied expectations for infestation

[gusty pebble]

Potential infested lich feature

[spice sparrow]

Mysterious because Unum was only plot relevant like twice

[gusty pebble]

Liches are evolved versions but im just deluding

[gusty pebble]

A big loose end so much possibilities

[spice sparrow]

First in Gara’s quest (where you learn she’s lesbian for Gara) and second in New War

[gusty pebble]

It talks similar to helminth

[obtuse gyro]

It uh, doesnt?

[gusty pebble]

Helminth also says its not complete yet

Idk y

[obtuse gyro]

the unum has a grand total of one line, I dont see the similarity between the unum and the helminth

[gusty pebble]

Dreamer... let them defile, no more.
UNUM

Only quote of unum

Helminth is the only other with ....

[obtuse gyro]

thats... rather weak

[gusty pebble]

Yep

Let a man dream

[nova harness]

But wasn’t this referring to Sentients

[gusty pebble]

Narmer

Y did it fail if it can see futur is what im most curious

[obtuse gyro]

ah yea no they do not talk similarly at all, the unum can be heard clearly speaking english, the helminth speaks in infested noisees

[gusty pebble]

The Unum's attempt backfired; the Sentient captured some of the animals and realized that the Tower's blood could restore its procreative ability, which the entire Sentient race had lost upon traveling through the Void. With this realization, the Sentient then assaulted the Tower with all of its might to seize control, replacing the Unum, and thus gaining the power to rebuild its entire race once again.

[gusty pebble]

Yes

And the future seeing aswell

[gusty pebble]

This is wiki but its all i got

[nova harness]

Who’s the Infested that can heal?

[obtuse gyro]

Just because you can see all the different possibilities of the future doesnt exactly mean that they can control the exact future they want

[obtuse gyro]

ancient healer?

[gusty pebble]

One specter can infested

[nova harness]

No it was a kid

[rare garden]

Zealoid prelate heals itself and ancient healer gives overguard

[obtuse gyro]

arlo

[gusty pebble]

Kinda weak but i will take it

[nova harness]

Yeah how did Arlo not become evil?

[gusty pebble]

Im guessing they did some mutation to helminth since it was orokin or it connected to the original ancient infested inside earth

[gusty pebble]

Who is arlo

[obtuse gyro]

um, did you forget the end of the nightwave sotry?

[gusty pebble]

The mask kid ?

[gusty pebble]

Zamn i realise i missed something epic

[obtuse gyro]

since it was orokin or it connected to the original ancient infested inside earth
What are you saying

[rare garden]

Nightwave season 2 fellow, miracle healer and cult leader. Also infested

[gusty pebble]

Concept art reveals that the Unum extends almost as deep into the earth as it is tall. The purpose for this is currently unknown.

Since its open and can grow

[nova harness]

I joined Warframe 2 months after it started and didn’t even know about Nightwave till Series 3

[gusty pebble]

Bruh

Its all theory but lets c

[obtuse gyro]

arlo was revealed to be infested, and that everyone that he was healing was being turned into infested. To answer your question of "how did arlo not turn evil" the answer is "that lil gremlin always was"

[edgy eagle]

k so apparently stalker still hunts us even after?? like i'm talking jade stalker

[gusty pebble]

Infestation is ancient basically even before warframe

[nova harness]

That’s a gameplay thing

[gusty pebble]

How will people who didnt get hate or the drops get it if it stops

[edgy eagle]

oh i know. i just thought he'd look different than jade stalker

[nova harness]

Jade stops him attacking you

[gusty pebble]

^

[edgy eagle]

was about to mention this as well, that's an awesome (and slightly tear jerking) detail

[nova harness]

Actually does Stalker have a different appearance when you’re hunted now?

[gusty pebble]

I dont think so

But how did we get jade if she ded fr

[halcyon gull]

Stupid question but do you guys prefer to play as Operator or Drifter
Ik they're functionally the same but like what's your preference

[gusty pebble]

No lore on how we got the bps

[gusty pebble]

Just looks

[obtuse gyro]

my guy, its in your inbox

hunhow literally hands you the BP

[nova harness]

You build a copy of the original with the bps

[obtuse gyro]

its right there in your inbox

[gusty pebble]

Wha

[obtuse gyro]

open your mail

[gusty pebble]

I bought mb

My inbox is a time capsule

[halcyon gull]

Yeah same. I don't delete any of em.

[nova harness]

Drifter because he’s taller and an adult

[gusty pebble]

For me drifter face more customizable and looks bettee ig

[halcyon gull]

I also prefer Drifter, but cus of the voice tbh.

[edgy eagle]

i wonder if stalker still canonically hunts the tenno after jade shadows

i'd assume otherwise based on hunhow's letter

[gusty pebble]

We just repayed the help we got when new war thats it

[undone lodge]

Probably not

He has a son to take care of + in the trailer Red represents “Hunter” (of Tenno) and Green represents “Protector”

And Stalker’s green now

[carmine portal]

I imagine he does, but he's just keeping up appearances and is really doing it to keep the player character on their toes

[gusty pebble]

I think depending on the name he returns to the lotus

[tawdry socket]

y'all been feeding this troll all day huh

[gusty pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[obtuse gyro]

"Returns to the Lotus"

Stalker was never under the Lotus so like, no returns there

[gusty pebble]

Didnt think i would find an inc in wf guess i hit jackpot

[gusty pebble]

The baby ?

[obtuse gyro]

why would the baby belong to the lotus

the baby is stalkers

[gusty pebble]

I remember hearing hunhow saying u know where he should return or something

I chose sirius

[edgy eagle]

i think the green and red represents what the parents would've named the kid

[gusty pebble]

Yes

[edgy eagle]

i also chose Sirius in honor of Jade

[gusty pebble]

^

[edgy eagle]

rip 😔

[gusty pebble]

Jade the 3rd sentient wf ih

Ig

[quick valve]

I figured that out when i saw the colors on the names. Guessing it was what each parent wanted to name their child. I went with sirius too because it just felt right to pick.

[gusty pebble]

Both are correct its like the sun and moon inclination

Goated because wf actually implemented a no wrong choices

[small pike]

that quest had me bawling 😭 i cried so bad

[gusty pebble]

It was depp...

[quick valve]

I was laughing at first because of the whole “pregnant warframe” thing.

[nova harness]

Wish DE gave us stats on which choices are picked most

[gusty pebble]

But i kinda want to disable bump fr

And run around with open wings in relay

I think the closed wings are to not spoil but still

[small pike]

imo her glory form is kinda creepy ,,, i prefer her normal form with the wings it gives a mysterious vibe

[real niche]

They'll do it much later like they did with Margulis/Lotus/Natah

[gusty pebble]

What was the stats on that?

[real niche]

Pretty sure it was a Tennocon

[gusty pebble]

Zamn

[nova harness]

Which name was picked most?

[real niche]

Yeah

[shrewd plover]

Hello tenno

[trail totem]

I picked orion cuz

Uh ,yeah b)

[undone lodge]

Wrong thing but yeah

[undone lodge]

I mean this

[amber terrace]

Is there a tangible difference between picking Orion or Sirius?

[fallen ore]

Just finished Whispers, why did Albrecht believe that Wally's influence couldn't reach 1999? What's so special about that year?

[nova harness]

DE made it clear ages ago that options in quests have no affect on your playthroughs past cosmetics

[amber terrace]

My bad, I didn’t catch the memo

[nova harness]

Y2K

[gusty pebble]

Idk who say what i think mitw just wanna be frnds and he learns stuff from what he sees from our pov and repeats it

He basically repeated lotus quotes

And behaviours such as curious children

Maybe he watched playing tenno on the ten zero

Like that everything

[nova harness]

That’s not what he wants

[fallen ore]

Please elaborate? I don't understand what the deal is with the year 2000.

[tawdry socket]

Isn't that kinda the point of the Angel vibe anyway? Literally "biblically accurate angel" thing

[gusty pebble]

Theres something about these eyes

Anyone know y?

[nova harness]

Many programs represented four-digit years with only the final two digits, making the year 2000 indistinguishable from 1900. Computer systems' inability to distinguish dates correctly had the potential to bring down worldwide infrastructures for computer reliant industries.

[tawdry socket]

Basically, old computers used to deal with the Year in a date as a 2 digit number, IE 1999 would be xx/xx/99

So when the year ticked round to 2000, or xx/xx/00, the date would wrap back around to being written as 1900

Without great amounts of effort worldwide from computer techs, virtually every computer system would have broken down

Jinx you owe me a coke

[gusty pebble]

Its primarily because of darksector

[nova harness]

Have you ever heard the story of the Black eyed children

[gusty pebble]

It was based around 1987 something so

[gusty pebble]

What

[nova harness]

Duviri had incidents of attack from Mitw

[gusty pebble]

Ss

[tawdry socket]

Yes Dark Sector, a video game released in the year 2008, was directly responsible for a worldwide computer science issue 8 years prior

[gusty pebble]

Bruv did u even play dark sector

Y are u so salty smh

[tawdry socket]

My man asked what Y2K was and I told uncle

[gusty pebble]

Dark sector gameplay was focused on 1987

[south wigeon]

bruh it's not in 1999 because of dark sector

it's in 1999 because of Y2K

[tawdry socket]

Dark Sector is not canon to Warframe

[south wigeon]

We literally see it hit 2000 in the quest

[gusty pebble]

Man im sorry i tagged u just stop

[south wigeon]

it's in 1999 because of Y2K

[tawdry socket]

Iirc DE don't technically own the licence to Dark Sector anymore?

[gusty pebble]

Wf was based on that and the start of the game dev and all that was near 1999 iirc

[flat shadow]

WF is the game Dark Sector was meant to be.

[gusty pebble]

^

[south wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[nova harness]

Best I can do is There was a time when the children of Duviri were educated.

Upon the island of Academe, within its chalky caves, in rough-hewn classrooms lit by burning blue gas, sages taught them everything they would need to know. They learned of the Seven Principles, the geometries, the primords, the harmonics and resonances, the sacred stories, and most importantly, the unquestionable benignity of Dominus Thrax.

And then, not long after the Rain of Chains, the first of the Hollow Children appeared.

They joined the others for class, sitting at the back, silent and attentive. Their eyes were a deep and lustrous black, their mouths fixed in a constant grin. None of the sages saw them enter or leave.

The Hollow Children did not speak, nor did they participate in class in any way, except to giggle unnervingly when the subject of the Void was mentioned.

When adults came to collect their children, they noticed an additional oddity. Among the Hollow Children were exact duplicates of themselves when they were younger. Each day there were more of them.

Thrax ordered the island destroyed, but when Lodun descended from the sky to ravage it, the Orowyrm found it had broken free of its own accord.

Thrax did not give the order to pursue.

[gusty pebble]

Attack where

Mitw first contact and long contact was with rell

Rell had so many problems he was neglected and not included

[nova harness]

No Rell was has 3rd contact

[gusty pebble]

Mitw is similar to ai thats been trained with wrong models

[gusty pebble]

First long contact

Its all theory but lets c

[nova harness]

You said first and long contact

[gusty pebble]

I forgot to delete

[nova harness]

Rell was not the first

[gusty pebble]

Yes

But he was the first to have continuous engagement iirc

[nova harness]

The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape that’s how all this started

[gusty pebble]

Yes

Its culmination of reflections

But albrecht kinda seems evil tbh

I reckon he got caught or something

All orokin were and are bad some just redeemed but they were rotten

Imagine being the first contact to an ai

[nova harness]

Without Albrecht there would’ve been no Orokin winning a War or Warframe almost as a whole

[gusty pebble]

Yes

[nova harness]

He even says he is

[gusty pebble]

Whoever says tries to justify themselves now they good but thats not how it happens usually plotwise

Imho mitw Unfairly villainified imo but lets c what wf got in store

At the start he warns about lotus aswell

[nova harness]

Albrecht actually says if I must be a demon let me be an honest one let me prove my nature by what I do next

[tawdry socket]

Albrecht: I've done terrible things and have treated the people close to me horribly, the least I can do is stop this eldritch horror that I may or may not be responsible for creating from the void from destroying literally everything

[gusty pebble]

I dont see any proof for it will destroy everything

Like sentient grineer corpus all the thing orokin related have made life better

They just wanna fix something that hasnt happened yet

[nova harness]

Unfairly he is the reason kids lost their parents forced them to make a deal to save themselves from parents is plotting to do something with the Lotus tried to kill us made us see a memory killed a duviri citizen is the reason a man needed new skin and was blind

[gusty pebble]

Who what parent

[nova harness]

Wally basically made us kill our parents

[gusty pebble]

R u talkin about ballas

[nova harness]

No

[gusty pebble]

Or the outbursts

[nova harness]

Man in the Wall

[gusty pebble]

Parents i meant

[nova harness]

He gave us powers to kill our parents

[tawdry socket]

He's deeply traumatised, troubled and anxious and this is his perspective after witnessing an eldritch horror firsthand

[nova harness]

He tormented Rell

[gusty pebble]

Like when u see fibonacci quote

[gusty pebble]

I gotta recheck that

Rell basically got isolated by marguiles as said by veil woman

If he mirrored his trauma

[nova harness]

And Man in the Wall was held back by Rell and tormented Rell

[gusty pebble]

Yes he would have been

Idk what is the reason for him only being able to mirror trauma

Maybe whoever trapped him didnt want him to be released

[nova harness]

Man in the Wall has literally done a lot of evil things

That’s why he’s a Villian

[gusty pebble]

Either she is trying to protect us from what i said that mitw is us but like deep unconscious stuff

Or she is trying to not change the future and past and let it happen as it has and will

There is a past that will happen in the future

Im pretty sure lotus was transferred into or someone did alterations

When she saved the tenno

Something happened

[gray coral]

honestly i want to know the true purpose of the wally doppelgangers other than to torment the original

[gusty pebble]

Wally transferance is white

[nova harness]

The one we see in Orbiter or the Albrecht and Vagabond versions?

[gray coral]

both

[nova harness]

The one in Orbiter is there to scare us

The Vagabond is in Duviri to give you a mini game

And to be a bit of a troll

And Albrecht one I don’t really know I think it was mostly just a callback reference

[gusty pebble]

Also the severed limbs is kinda scattered all over the wally theme

Lotus hand wally finger parvos hand

[rain otter]

man door hand hook car door

[gusty pebble]

What

[rain otter]

It's just you said a bunch of just words in a row so I thought of that terrible like old meme format joke.

[gusty pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

For Real

Man im talkin with dudes who wanna talk in spoiler be off on ye way will ya

[rain otter]

I wanted to explain the joke.

You seemed confused but also yeah let's get back to it.

[gilded valley]

When did that occur?

[near rune]

It's from the Ropalolyst fight

[cinder steppe]

I saw a theory that someone said that Hunhow's email was about him coping the loss of Praghasa rather than Jade.

[gusty pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

I hope we get some butterfly time in wf

[gilded valley]

Ah ok

[finite basalt]

The jade shadows quest gave me tears!

[thick jolt]

all according to plan then

[nova harness]

What made you cry?

[finite basalt]

Well I’m a very emotional person but it started after her death, when stalker came out and was getting shot at then the baby cried and everyone stopped to let him leave, I know that’s like so stupid but we won’t see them again since those corpus are most likely dead now…

[nova harness]

That ending scene was crazy

[balmy storm]

It’s not stupid
Tbh those corpus could potentially still be alive, if nothing else I doubt Stalker would have killed them

Crying is never stupid
Let yourself feel

[flat shadow]

Emotions are a core part of what makes us human.

[nova harness]

I wish I knew what emotions I felt properly

[flat shadow]

Fair. There was a lot going on there.

[ocean void]

actually, I don’t think I have much empathy in any of the quest

[gilded valley]

New War:

Your operator gets stabbed and dies.

Players:

@ocean void :

[ocean void]

Nah, I was like…. What’s for lunch

[flat shadow]

Early lunch for Frost Main

[gilded valley]

@ocean void :

[ocean void]

I was literally hungry during that update

the Chains of Harrow quest was a joke for me cause I was shooting non-stop of the AoE weapons so it got rid the horrow stuff

[gilded valley]

What about Second Dream?

[ocean void]

that was just me being excited for Frost umbra

I was like wait, our Warframe can moved by themselves

But the beginning of the quest, I was just lost cause Alad V wasn’t being specific

[native nacelle]

I

I thought they were joking

[nova harness]

Who was?

[native nacelle]

I though the devs were joking about working on pregnant warframes💀

[nova harness]

They took a joke comment and made it canon

[native nacelle]

Best devs ever

[valid jolt]

I thought they already had the quest planned out

[flat shadow]

According to Reb they already had the plans for Jade in the works.

[radiant urchin]

So my guess about stalker knocking up the original jade wasn't just a half joke then

[fading turret]

I wonder if Orion is gonna grow at normal human growth rate or become an adult exponentially fast.

Yes I'm calling the baby Orion because I chose Orion. It's simpler that way

[flat shadow]

We'll have to see.

[fading turret]

Also Stalker didn't seem to know that Warframes needed Infested materials until we directed him to get Cortichrome so I wonder if he even knows how to feed Orion.

...that all depends on whether Orion is even a Warframe to begin with.

Could just be a human baby with a 'mask' or covering of some kind to hide his face.

[flat shadow]

He may need a helminth to survive.

[fading turret]

Yeah. I feel Stalker is gonna hit us up in our Orbiter again.

Imagine he becomes an ally to us and stops invading our missions but in exchange we get to buy his drops from him.

[gray coral]

the Stalkers character development took a huge leap for the better him hunting us doesn't seem lore friendly after the quest. it more less a gameplay mechanic because now i hear he isn't easy to kill like before this just gives him the boost to be with in end game content.

[fading turret]

Has Stalker been upgraded? I haven't been invaded by him since doing Jade Shadows.

[gray coral]

indeed he has

[fading turret]

Heh what's he called now

[gray coral]

stalker still

[fading turret]

"The Jade Stalker" lmao

Aye

Gotta say 'The Jade Shadow' goes hard.

[gray coral]

but he is imbued with jade light

if dont want to fight him though just use jade and he will spawn in and forfeit wont even fight her

[flat shadow]

I have seen conflicting reports on that.

[fading turret]

Oh cool.

I hope he still drops War after this.

[nova harness]

Drops actually increased

[thick jolt]

i mean war kinda uselessly bloats his droptable so if I could choose i'd rather war got moved elsewhere

[fading turret]

Possibly bugframe but it is true.

[fading turret]

Yeah I saw they changed all weapon drop chances to an equal amount. 11.4% or around there somewhere

[nova harness]

It’s not a bug he’s not a wife beater

[flat shadow]

Yeah, wouldn't surprise me if there were some issues.

[fading turret]

I was referring to Abyss saying they hear 'conflicting reports' about Stalker leaving when Jade is present

[nova harness]

There’s videos of him leaving

So it’s 100% true

[flat shadow]

Videos aren't always 100% true.

[fading turret]

I might have said this before (aa in yesterday) but I am a little disappointed that we didn't get more backstory on Stalker and Jade

All we got was their names, a short conversation, and their son.

I get the feeling that "The Legems" is gonna be relevant down the line

[gray coral]

i feel you on this but they left the door so open you know there is room for alot more in the future

[fading turret]

Eh then again 'the Legems' are probably an Orokin thing and they all got freaking game-ended

[flat shadow]

DE almost never gives us everything all at once. There are threads left hanging for us to play with since the early days.

[fading turret]

Awesome

[gray coral]

oh we figured out the Legems are another verbiage for laws

[thick jolt]

legems are just laws

[fading turret]

Oh so Stalker was law-bound to not have a child then.

Considering he was an Orokin guard of some kind it makes sense.

[flat shadow]

Im not sure if children at all, or children specifically with her.

[gray coral]

we have a bit more info on sorren then we do with jade

it could be the classic lower class man with upper class woman story

[flat shadow]

The silhouettes looked like they were wearing similar armor, so they may have been of the same guard status.

[nova harness]

Here’s one vid https://youtu.be/cgqpVPurjyg?si=np6Waoof50dNnUOv

[fading turret]

Romeo and Juliet lmao

[flat shadow]

Or that.

[fading turret]

Woah wait Stalker actually talks properly now

[nova harness]

Yes

[fading turret]

Is this only applicable to Jade Shadow or do all his variants have clear voice now?

[nova harness]

They hired a guy for his voice cant remember their name

[gray coral]

all his voice lines were redone

[fading turret]

Gianni Matragrano

[fading turret]

I love how he bitched out while trash talking the Tenno's powers lmfao

[nova harness]

lol

Bros afraid of Jade

[gray coral]

lol nah he got morals now

[fading turret]

*pulls up to kill the Operator after trash talking him about his crimes*
*sees the Operator piloting his dead wife*
*trash talks the Operator some more while running away*

Honestly I'd run away all the same if my dead wife was walking the earth again.

[nova harness]

Stalker got nerfed

[fading turret]

"I know your every move!"
Me turning my Burston Prime into an explosive death laser: "Dodge this then."

[ionic gale]

||So when you get to name the baby, is the Sirius/Orion a choice to hate more vs be more of a father figure or is there a deeper meaning?||

[livid finch]

"MACHINE. TURN BACK NOW"
sees Jade in the player squad
"GUESS I'LL TURN BACK INSTEAD"
exits and leaves drops

[soft lotus]

my kubrow is gonna get burned :(

[fading turret]

I think the colours represent that the name choices were Jade's and Sorren's respectively considering their colours

Sirius would be the name Jade wanted, Orion the name Sorren wanted.

Though if that were the case I think Sorren would have named the child Sirius and not given us the choice.

[ionic gale]

I used Sirius because beyond all the Harry Potter stuff it's the brightest star. Orion just reminds me of onion (plus I like green and the thought of Stalker becoming a protector for their child or it protecting humanity instead of being a lethal thing sounded better to me personally.

[fading turret]

Name meanings according to BehindTheName.com

[fading turret]

BTW what card did you get after finishing the quest? Mine said Protector

[ionic gale]

Protector

[fading turret]

Aye so it's the same regardless of name.

[ionic gale]

Well it depicted the Stalker in red holding the baby with Jade behind them towering over in the center.

[ionic gale]

Also they are both Greek and relate to astrology somehow... also it says Orion was killed by an Earth goddess.. really speaking about fate there.

[fading turret]

legendary Greek hunter

We're gonna be getting stalked by two Stalkers in the future lmao

It's gonna be like Alad V and Zanuka, tag-teaming on you.

I wonder if Sirius/Orion is gonna become a Warframe that we get to pilot. If so it would be the first Warframe with an actual variable name.

[ionic gale]

Ah no, see remember the card at the star of the quest was 'Alone' well the end of the quest shows the card of what the whole thing meant personally in the bleak view of the Stalker. He became the Protector.

Also It turns out you say 'Orion' like Or-I-on (like Horizon) not 'Or-rey-on'.

[fading turret]

Like onion

[ocean void]

Isn’t Stalker kinda bugged?

[ionic gale]

how so

[ocean void]

Like if stalker hunting you, and your not Jade, he will attack you but if you have a teammate is Jade, both of you can kill stalker normal

[valid jolt]

Is there’s a Jade on your team or if you’re Jade, Stalker shouldn’t attack you at all and just leave his drops somewhere

If he’s still attacking you even tho you have a Jade on your team or if you’re Jade, then yea that’s not supposed to happen

[ocean void]

That one but I was being Frost

[gray coral]

the stalker has to be targeting the tenno that is using the jade frame for him to not attack. if shes in your party but is the not the target he will still attack.

[steep delta]

"But, you won't have to imagine. A lovingly cultured Infestation swarms within your blood. Your transformation has begun, reshaping you into a sacred surrogate of the unholy Tenno. A Warframe with but a Single, Burning, Memory. It is... a miracle!"

this quote is so good lmao

there are some really good quotes in later quests

[valid jolt]

The opposites happened to me before tho

[floral tiger]

Or if we go off on Eternalism we end up with both and have Sirius be different from Orion in some way.

[fading turret]

I always forget about Eternalism

[floral tiger]

But yeah unlikely that we could pilot them, one of the key components is a transferance bolt which is something implanted in the making of a warframe and being that he was born it’s unlikely that he would have it. Making transferance hard to say the least.(not impossible however)

[gusty pebble]

If the baby does grow how will the process be will the growth stop?

Normally growth and deterioration go hand to hand but wf dont have deterioration

And does dude have to eat warframe does the dude got mouth

Canibalism

Or just eats infestation

[nocturne kiln]

im back, ready to discuss away

What do we have this time...

[obtuse gyro]

Imo the transference bolt isnt there to enable transference for us, but rather to render something inert for ease of control

We control orowyrms, necramechs, golden maws without transference bolts

[floral tiger]

Like I stated, it’s not impossible.

[fading turret]

Damn when War Within happened they had me thinking I could possess enemies and kill other enemies with with weapons and bodies

[signal kayak]

Isnt it kinda wierd how stalker hunts you still after jade shadows?

I feel he should stop hunting you after that point, and his weapons should be sold where jade’s parts and weapons are sold

Forgive me if this is the wrong chat, i felt this was the most appropriate place to put this

[nocturne kiln]

Its never stated Stalker would stop hunting us, just that he refused to use his base anymore

We're still "those meddling tenno!"

[signal kayak]

Damn kids!

I wish the enlightened hate skin worked with the hate incarnon form tho

Its too good

[nocturne kiln]

At least it makes both forms about equally as fun

[junior vine]

Damn, Both Duplicate and Crescendo

Got both in a row🤣🤣🤣

[obtuse gyro]

Im desputing the notion that it would have been hard

proto-rhino most likely did not have a transference bolt and still got pacified/controlled by the tenno

[obtuse gyro]

sadly umbra isnt exactly space dad

thats ballas

[clear fog]

Ballas is the abusive stepfather

Not space dad

[near rune]

Umbra is a dad but it's hard to see how he's our dad

[prime lantern]

I mean honestly put wally in the dad spot

[thin sinew]

Umbra is Space Step Dad
Ballas is Space Dad
Wally is just Dad

[nocturne kiln]

I thought Ordis was space dad, complete with dad jokes

He took care of the Operator when even the Lotus couldn't

[gilded cedar]

Ordis is the neighbor’s kid

The neighbor being Nihil

[nocturne kiln]

Nihil is the corrupt neighborhood cop

90s movie style, where all he wants to do is catch you getting into trouble

[valid galleon]

guys when you complete jade shadows and stalker reverts to his original form does the war blueprint still drop from him

[fallen ore]

Ballas is abusive space stepdad dead
Umbra is foster dad
Ordis is our Alfred
Wally is… Wally.

[balmy storm]

Wally would be more a space dad than Umbra, he's responsible for our creation as space kids while the Lotus is who guides us

[balmy storm]

yes, nothing has changed about what he drops just the chances to be a lot more fair iirc

[valid galleon]

yay

[nova harness]

They nerfed Dread drop chance

[balmy storm]

didnt they up some of the others or no?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[sand frost]

I had to ask

what does naming a baby do?

[nova harness]

Gives a baby a name

[sand frost]

still being decisive to see what does naming the baby after effect

[nova harness]

Nothing

It’s cosmetic

[sand frost]

something tells me it related to future content thou

need more spoiler for this, sadge

[nova harness]

It’s not meant to affect anything

[sand frost]

well naming your lotus did hehe

the name even shows colour, doesn't it indicate something?

[nova harness]

Not really

[prime lantern]

The jade color one is the name jade wanted

The other color is the one sorren wanted

[sand frost]

since jade is gone.... I WILL HONOUR HER WISHES!!!

[prime lantern]

Your choices are ultimately meaningless though

You'll end at the same spot as every other player

An illusion of choice

[sand frost]

oh well, thanks for the comment thou

[balmy storm]

Just because it doesn’t affect gameplay or lore doesn’t mean the choice wasn’t meaningless
It’s meaningful in whatever way the player deems, for example honoring Jade’s memory

[nova harness]

It’s just a cosmetic thing just like the name choice thing in Jade Shadows since they aren’t even brought up much after and the game stays the same

[tawdry socket]

Ballas is technically dad in the way that he's "Mom's Ex"

He was there for our early stages but ran out on us

[shell vessel]

Maybe in this particular event, but I think in the future the choices we made throughout the quests will have a bigger impact

[nova harness]

He wasn’t even that he was just the abusive boyfriend

[tawdry socket]

Even then it's more like
Ballas was Margulis' abusive bf
Then he bought Hunhow's daughter with a Margulis mask for the low low price of his entire race
And then he was also lotus' abusive bf

[woeful patio]

Stepdad didnt suffered enough with the divorce.

[nova harness]

Ballas is father of Warframes that’s the closest you’ll get to him being a father

[undone lodge]

He’s a deadbeat dad though so he doesn’t count

[tough star]

he pays infinity child support via letting the tenno keep using the void as far as we know

[tawdry socket]

And lotus is like our 2nd adoptive mother the analogy really starts to break down if you don't suspend your disbelief

[undone lodge]

Thinking about it I don’t think he can take it back actually

Like if he had the ability to do it he’s had opportunities where he could’ve, or at least temporarily restricted us but he hasn’t

[nova harness]

And Eurelia is our 3rd lol

[tawdry socket]

It's definitely more akin to a D&D warlock where you can't have your powers - that were given - revoked by your patron

[tawdry socket]

She's more like my mother in law

[gusty pebble]

Who*

[nova harness]

Mother

[gusty pebble]

Ordis the actual moma daddy and a fren a true homie
Who actually care ordis never let us down well for all others iykyk

Maybe i missed some lore wise on ordis but ordis never gets acknowledged kinda. perchance . If i missed some key point mb

[nova harness]

||He’s never gonna give you up he’s never gonna let you down ||

[gusty pebble]

Goat

Talkin trauma we need got even animal abuse tfauma ins sanctum DE is so outta the box for this

https://tenor.com/view/the-doctor-leo-fitz-technology-gif-14038179

I would slave away to get into this typof team working environment honestly speaking cant say without first hand experience but from what i see from outside the team is like the real future that was like people actually dreamt about

[cinder steppe]

So I wonder about Stalker and Jade....

He lost all memories about her, but they did stick around for a thousand year? What did they even do together all that time?

[storm dock]

Should the "new" stalker be counted as the old stalker codex scan? I tried scanning him and progress did not change 2/3

[nova harness]

No old stalker should be counted as pre SD Stalker

[storm dock]

I here i was hoping to finally complete that damn codex scan, thanks

[nova harness]

Maybe ask a new player to help you

[storm dock]

On the process of it but hes taking his sweet time too

Stalker not the player

[fickle jetty]

:v why

[nova harness]

Your actions have consequences

[bronze glen]

She is NOT GONE

I just built her

[nova harness]

You built a blueprint of the original not the original itself

The original is dead

[gusty pebble]

Is this a bug? Someone report it i cant embed image url

[bronze glen]

The OG died when became a Warframe

[balmy storm]

Whats happening here

[balmy storm]

Thats not how warframes work

[gusty pebble]

The light leak from middle

[bronze glen]

I am just being sentimental

The OG OG I mean

[gusty pebble]

I dont think thats supposed to be visoble

[bronze glen]

You know

Human Jade

[balmy storm]

Part of the horror of Warframes are the people are still alive when they’re helminthed

[balmy storm]

Ooh, yeah maybe report that

[bronze glen]

Ordis' dialogues with Jade are so precious

I love how people aren't noticing how Ordis' story blew up in our faces through the event

He has NO CHILL

[nova harness]

Warframes are human

What you mean Jade before she was punished

[balmy storm]

Warframes do lose themselves to the infestation and the Orokin can suppress their minds and sapience but in Jade’s case idk

It’s more than possible she retained her memories due to high emotions
She was pregnant and remember Sorren enough to save him when he had already become a Warframe

[analog finch]

So, with this new quest....does it mean Stalker won't hunt us anymore?

[bronze glen]

I mean, strong emotions can be retained, right?

Like in Umbra's case too

[bronze glen]

HE does unless you're Jade

Then he jusy spawns, says "no" and leaves while dropping his loot

[analog finch]

Really? Kind of cool

[bronze glen]

Yeah, DE cooked

[nova harness]

No he has new lines and appearance though better drop chance on the other weapons too he won’t attack Jade

[bronze glen]

He's just Stalker now, not Shadow Stalker

[thick jolt]

Best part of shadow stalker being gone is i dont gotta wait to send him away

For whatever reason shadow stalker always started his fights with me by using that annoying absorption move

[bronze glen]

He always died before he could do stuff with me

[nova harness]

Does Stalker still use War when hunting us?

[thick jolt]

That was the issue the absorption move made him invulnerable so i had to wait till he finished it

So annoying the spawn invuln followed by that move's invuln

[nova harness]

So does Stalker still hunt us with War

[bronze glen]

No

[thick jolt]

Nope

[nova harness]

Bro finally realised it sucks

[thick jolt]

Poor guy thought that was why he couldnt deal with us

[nova harness]

Hunhow still thinks War is better than Hate

[bronze glen]

I mean, Hunhow only knows War

Both figuratively and literally

[thick jolt]

Nah he explains it
He considers scythes to be tools that bring life and as such shouldnt be used to fight

[bronze glen]

Yeah but War sucks anyway

HOW IS IT AN IMPACT WEAPON

[analog finch]

Broken War > War

[bronze glen]

two broken wars make a war

Does that mean

2 Slash = 1 Impact?

[analog finch]

It means two rights make one wrong

[bronze glen]

yeah

[turbid gull]

Bro

Jade shadows got me crying

This isn’t fair 😭

[nova harness]

Did you feel emotions for the first time in your life?

[obtuse gyro]

You ever read berserk?

[balmy storm]

It’s a beautiful quest

[bronze glen]

Yes

[valid jolt]

Lol Bau

[obtuse gyro]

Guts sword is more impact than slash

[bronze glen]

True

[obtuse gyro]

Big BONG

[balmy storm]

we need more bonk sticks

we need a good bonk stick

[valid jolt]

We need more Greatswords

Greatswords are the best

[turbid gull]

It’s the first time I’ve cried in a long time for sure

[balmy storm]

It’s good to cry

[nova harness]

It’s bad crying when you want to tell someone something because it makes it harder for them to understand what you want to say

[balmy storm]

I mean I guess sure, that’s a very specific situation
Depending on what the situation is I’d hope the person one is talking to is understandable in the fact that what one is trying to say is so difficult it causes them to cry and takes the patience to listen to them

But largely it is good to cry if one can, letting those emotions out can largely be good, our body does it for a reason

[bronze glen]

HAMMERS are bonk sticks

Not DAMN SWORDS

[balmy storm]

Swords can bonk

[bronze glen]

Yes but I prefer to slash

[fleet spruce]

Hey y"all imagine Orion as a grownup teenage Warframe that was very anxious, depressed and literally a sadder Rell with horror abilities where he can cast it on the enemies to make them surrender, literally

[balmy storm]

and then he jade lights them :]

[fleet spruce]

Yep :3 I want him to be a traumatized Warframe because he had issues with Shadow and having no mom to solve it

He dumps it all on the enemies violently, just like Kullervo my favorite silly knife guy

[spice sparrow]

Qorvex except it’s only his 4 and it instantly kills everyone it touches (once they can be mercy killed, that is)

And he gets all of Stalker’s abilities

[amber terrace]

Ah, so the Demon Core

[brittle thistle]

What would happen if we chose Orion or Sirius

[fleet spruce]

Orion better because crimson blood color background

Makes him more violent when he grows up and trauma dumps his enemies using abilities

[brittle thistle]

So Orion basically makes him a good guy then or whatever?

[valid jolt]

Nothing changes if you chose a different name

[brittle thistle]

Oh

[warm anvil]

i chose sirius because of the green background. i wanted to name the kid after jade

it just felt right

[fleet spruce]

Now I would love a life simulator between Shadow and Orion where he raises him and teaches him things

[valid jolt]

Yea it’s like the choice systems in some quests for our Operator. The events don’t play out differently or anything. But if Sorren and his kid show up in the future, then the baby might just be addressed by whatever name you chose

[brittle thistle]

Could be cool

Btw is it just me or does stalker feel like sorren

Or am I just dumb

[valid jolt]

Uhhhh wdym? Sorren and Stalker are the same person lol

[undone lodge]

Stalker is Sorren

[brittle thistle]

Ohh

[fleet spruce]

Hes a protoframe like Kullervo right?

[undone lodge]

Not like Kullervo but functionally yeah

[fleet spruce]

I really want Shadow reading the Kullervo lore poem for Orion

[valid jolt]

Not exactly. He was turned into a Warframe during the collapse. But yea he doesn’t have a Tenno pilot like Kullervo and some other Warframes

[undone lodge]

We don’t really know what his deal is exactly, but he’s not like a Gen 1 or anything he’s just built like that

[static steppe]

Man, ballas sounds on the biggest brink of divorce

[nova harness]

He basically killed his girlfriend before they could get married

[obtuse gyro]

kullervo aint a protoframe

there are only 2 protoframes and its arthur and aoi

kullervo is just a gen 1 frame

[vocal frost]

I'm looking at the wiki and Jade's little card thing is supposed to be somewhere on the map, and I have no idea where, it just says "south of the starting areaa"

[brittle nymph]

one of the craziest things ive ever played

[valid jolt]

Just wait until what happens next lol

[foggy coral]

I thought Shadow was more like Umbra?

[nova harness]

Stalker is like Umbra

[foggy coral]

Isn't Stalker and Shadow the same?

[nova harness]

Sort of Shadow Stalker is when he got Sentient powers in the Second Dream

Before that he was just Stalker

[foggy coral]

It's been so long that I barely remember what he was like before honestly

[nova harness]

Mostly the same

[empty hemlock]

stalker and shadow are same yes

shadow is just an empower version yea

@foggy coral@nova harness

basically the smae but without the war weapon and drops and the sentient cosmetics i think

[foggy coral]

I see

[sacred flint]

it was interesting to see that stalker is actually a first gen warframe didn't die and still clings to the old ways. and that Jade is also a first gen warframe THAT WAS PREGNANT. orokin really had no chill regarding warframe production

[foggy coral]

They may not have known or thought it wouldn't matter or simply tried to experiment and see what would come of it

[empty hemlock]

well, excal umbra is literally a father reliving the day he killed his own son over and over again on repeat and was force by ballas

[sacred flint]

i am just wondering now like... how is that baby a seperate being? would the warframe process not just merge the two bodies together and like idk make a monstrosity?

[foggy coral]

I think that has more to do with the infestation seizing an opportunity

[nova harness]

There’s nothing suggesting Stalker was first gen

[balmy storm]

He isn’t 1st gen?
He would have been helminthed after the old war ended as he was likely still a low guardian at the time of the naga drums

[sacred flint]

yea but it seems to me he and jade were the actual original humans? like i meant with first gen that they are the original frame ( still made from a body )

[empty hemlock]

well, warframes are warped cos of the helmith strain

i suspect that the baby was also warped by the helmith stain when the mother was but since jade and the child would be the first instant of both happening, infomation is sparce

the infested monsterity was of different strains in large amount

[nova harness]

All frames were made from a body

[sacred flint]

alr but that is only the original frame. the copies are infested robots that we make with the foundry. not actual people anymore. with first gen i mean the original frames and then we go to the copies and stuff which are blueprints of the original

pretty sure we already had that discussion in lore chat

where we made a clear distiction between frame like umbra ( who are the closest original cause we do rebuild him ) and the actual original human that got tortured and the frames we build today which are just robot infested puppets that have no residual memories anymore

and now i am just saying that stalker just might be an original frame ( first gen ) and jade to but yea. and then the baby idk wth we can classify him as.

[nova harness]

There’s a slight difference between first gen and being the original still

First gen was the first frames in general being made like the ones that went mad

Stalker on the other hand as far as we know is just a frame they haven’t made multiple of and is sentient

[wild wind]

I don't think that's quite right, if the Orokin could have made frames that kept their sentience they would have done that and launched the Tenno into the sun

[livid finch]

the first run of warframes were human individuals inoculated with the helminth strain to change their bodies, with the mind's sentience preserved
the ones we produce from the foundry is effectively growing helminth-human cultures sampled from the first run to yield biological replicas, bereft of that level of intelligence
(hence the nature of hunhow's message about jade when giving you her BP; the OG is dead but the BP can be used to cultivate her physical copy)
think animal meat vs. lab-grown meat

[wild wind]

The first generation warframes all went very insane shortly after the transformation

The Sacrifice logs make that very clear

There's basically no distinction between first generation frames and the mass produced ones we use, and there's reason to wonder how much continuity they have with their original models.

[south wigeon]

this assumes they were able to do so consistently

[wild wind]

If they got it once all they'd have to do is mass produce that model

Refine the process

[south wigeon]

Jade, Stalker, Kullervo, Dagath after getting her face blasted off and Umbra as Ballas' special little punishment are the only sentient Warframes we have

they're not common, Orokin either can't replicate them or can't do it easily

[wild wind]

Dagath actually would have had an operator too

[south wigeon]

Not how it works. Dagath was sentient after getting her face blasted off, the copy we build isn't

[wild wind]

Presumably Jade as well

[south wigeon]

Kullervo was sentient, the copy we build isn't

[wild wind]

Naw, Dagath getting her face blown off just didn't kill her

[south wigeon]

Dagath assuredly did not have an operator when she got her face blasted off, and most definetly did not have an operator when she met grandmother

[wild wind]

She just didn't regenerate it like would be normal with proper care from a Helminth infirmary

[south wigeon]

Dagath explicitly remembered what happened because she got her face blasted

[wild wind]

That's a side effect of transference, for that matter

[south wigeon]

Dagath got converted to a Warframe, the Orokin got bored cause she was completely inert and just followed along (<- confirmation she had no operator) and then she remembered stuff from before she was a Warframe explicitly because she got her face blasted off according to Grandmother

so no, Dagath never had any

the fact that she was inert means she isn't gen 1, and simultaneously confirms she had no operator either

There's also no evidence suggesting Jade had an operator

Oh and I forgot to mention Dante, who was also sentient

And, again, the copy we make of Dante is decisively not

[wild wind]

The evidence is that Warframes that don't have operators were violently insane

[south wigeon]

Warframe's keeping their mind is not something that can be replicated evidently

[south wigeon]

most were, not all

[wild wind]

As a side effect of the process

[south wigeon]

Again, we know Kullervo didn't have any, we know Dagath never had any (but was built to have it), we know Dante never had any

[wild wind]

Every time you hear a Warframe story, it's the operator doing it

Like Voruna in the Leverian