spoiler-chat

[late stirrup]

I cannot see a good ending that Wally is behind

[floral belfry]

him, vilcor, and umbra need to have a fishing trip on the cambion drift or something lol

hunhow can come too

[late stirrup]

Oh my god yeah
Bring your kid fishing day
Stalker and Orion/the other name I forgot that I picked lmao, Umbra and the Operator (specifically, not drifter), and of course Father and Son

[wild wind]

One of the Albrecht logs had a description of him that makes him out to be a kind of living meme. He gets into your head and that gives him life. That's why not knowing about him is a defense against him.

[lusty basin]

The Terrible Hunhow, has become Hunhow the Tender Hearted

I still love how Hunhow has developed

[late stirrup]

If Hunhow wasn't stuck underwater in Uranus and Father wasn't restricted to Deimos, you could have Hunhow and the Lotus join the fishing trip

[late stirrup]

At first in New War it was 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' then the Tenno became closer and they became, idk, acquaitances?

[lusty basin]

I 100% now would help Hunhow rebuild himself

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow very much still doesn't like us, we're just stuck in a cold war

[wild wind]

I'm ambivalent. Part of the reason Hunhow's helpful is that he's slowly dying. If he was alive he'd probably restart the New War.

[late stirrup]

Maybe if you helped him he wouldn't kill all Tenno once he's rebuilt as he originally intended

[wild wind]

Mind you, I think that bird has flown, seeing as Pazuul implies Praghasa's waking up.

[late stirrup]

I didn't know he was dying, I always assumed it was the old 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' mantra

[wild wind]

Oh no he says a few times that he's dying.

[balmy storm]

So our greatest defense is keeping people in the dark
and the more we learn of his motives and what he really is the more powerful he is

[graceful zodiac]

Oh yes, Hunhow fully said he wished he could have killed that Yareli himself

[late stirrup]

I guess I just didn't realize that

[wild wind]

But it takes a long time for a Sentient to die.

[balmy storm]

By the time we know how to stop him he’ll just be even more powerful???

[wild wind]

Very possible, yeah

That's why Rell didn't try and rejoin the Tenno, once he figured out Wally existed.

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow really isn't even dying, he's just stuck

[lusty basin]

We need to develop rapport with him, of course, but he's not the same Hunhow from the Old War.

[balmy storm]

Racist grandpa in the retirement puddle

[late stirrup]

On a different note, if the Operator did manage to kill/banish Wally, what do you think would happen to them?
Do you guys think it would be a doomguy scenario where they lose all their powers and get sealed away forever or what?

[wild wind]

depends on the exact circumstances

[balmy storm]

Even if we lost our powers we could still use transference via somatics but Ordis might kick us out ):

[graceful zodiac]

Not much to establish, he wants us dead, just can't do much about it

[wild wind]

The Operator's already supporting the Holdfasts as an alternative to angelfication

It's possible we'd just take over whatever cosmic place Wally has

[lusty basin]

Kinda disengenious, but okay

[balmy storm]

I’m fine with this

[wild wind]

phenomenal cosmic power! itty bitty living space

oh another example, Drifter bringing Duviri to life and locking Wally out of it

[lusty basin]

You don't really tell someone to make amends with one's mortal enemy

[wild wind]

Hunhow has a rare sense of priorities

He absolutely positively would merk the Tenno and the Origin System if he could

[graceful zodiac]

He knows his hierarchy of needs

[lusty basin]

Eh

[late stirrup]

Even without that, anyone can technically use transference, it just takes an immense toll on the body (remember The Silver Grove), but the Tenno, with their void powers, don't have to deal with that and can use transference more or less risk free
But without their void powers, a Tenno is just a human, mortal
The only reason we don't die is because Wally just says 'i don't like that ending' and brings us back in a different reality
So what does that mean for the Tenno if they do kill the source of their powers, Wally?
Would they even be able to survive without them?
The void powers are how they live in superposition (operator and drifter) and Wally made sure that works

[lusty basin]

Don't really agree with that assessment

[wild wind]

But he can't so he'd rather mess up Ballas and see his Shadow get what he actually wants

[late stirrup]

Wally would not let that happen

[wild wind]

I think the Narmer plot could go really interesting and fun places

[prime lantern]

That's not how a tennos immortality works at all

Why is that such a common headcanon

[wild wind]

One of Pazuul's voicelines is Erra howling about his mother biting off his head, which implies Praghasa is the one who made him an Archon

[graceful zodiac]

Because people take the Tenno respawn cutscene literally

[prime lantern]

How does a tennos immortality work?

A tenno possesses a degree of immortality via there oro a manifestation of there consciousness

In the conclave teshin tells us how our oro is "Oro is the binding force for an enemy who like the Tenno can survive death." This enemy is the sentients

The sentients can persist after death by separating there consciousness or oro between fragments of themselves making the death of one fragment not affect the whole

Albrecht entrati mentions oro claiming "It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona" meaning oro is a quality possessed by any with a "singular persona"

Tenno can separate the oro from there body allowing them to persist after death and presumably rebuild or reform a body via unknown means likely void energy

Killing a tenno would require you have the ability to crush there consciousness after death

[balmy storm]

Wally does not decide when we die, if he did do you think rell would be dead?
The tenno can die, not from physical damage but from a frame being obliterated, if we go braindead we are dead and obliteration of a frame is painful enough to cause that

[lusty basin]

Context, this was after mentioning a bird coming down for some kind of worm

[graceful zodiac]

More so when we do know (most likely) Operators very much can die

[lusty basin]

And in frustration

[balmy storm]

Tenno can factually die, it’s just really hard to do

[prime lantern]

Tenno can withstand physical death rather well

[lusty basin]

As we've established, the only canonical Tenno death was Rell.

[prime lantern]

I imagine metaphysical attacks would be rather devastating

[lusty basin]

And that was like... extended transference loop decay

[balmy storm]

We feel what the frame feels, complete obliteration does not feel good lol

[prime lantern]

Rell would've been killed by old age

[wild wind]

We can assume there were a few more, like Sevagoth, Mirage and Limbo

[graceful zodiac]

Mirage and Gara primarily

[lusty basin]

I think it was the fact he was looping and decaying over a long period of time without a body.

[graceful zodiac]

Titania maybe

[balmy storm]

Lotus mourning for a dead warframe would be weird

[graceful zodiac]

That part of why he died when we destroyed the Harrow. But he is only in the situation because he knew he would eventually age out with his flesh body

[wild wind]

Rell died because he was awake too long

All the other Tenno we know of were in coldsleep from before the fall

[balmy storm]

Rip Rell
I still don’t know why people want to bring you back when your story has already been told 😔

[wild wind]

Transferring to Harrow let him "live" longer, at which point he got to have Wally for company for however long it's been

[balmy storm]

And they were tombmates

[wild wind]

[lusty basin]

Gee, and it wasn't the fact he was trying to hold Wally back by restraining his own consciousness?

Wee

[graceful zodiac]

That's the other half of his actual death, yes

[lusty basin]

[balmy storm]

His death can be caused by two things lol

[graceful zodiac]

He had no body to return to and was just tired

[wild wind]

I know I've said it elsewhere but I am deeply curious about what Jade's operator was like

hahaha

[balmy storm]

If she even had one

[graceful zodiac]

Jade presumably doesn't have one

[wild wind]

I'm willing to bet she did

[graceful zodiac]

We're interacting with the original in the quest

[tiny horizon]

Like umbera

[lusty basin]

Or Stalker

[balmy storm]

Or any gen 1 frame

[wild wind]

Stalker technically isn't a Warframe

[balmy storm]

Kullervo, Dante, etc etc…

[lusty basin]

Well, he's not just a guy in a suit.

[balmy storm]

I’m skeptical but I wanna see what you cook

[wild wind]

He's like 90% there but there's some x-factor that he doesn't have that prevents him from counting

It's come up a few times

[tiny horizon]

Does umbera wear an advanced proto frame to live like darth vader

[wild wind]

He's had a few Helminth drinks but there've been specific references to him not being a Warframe

[lusty basin]

what

[graceful zodiac]

Not really. The only doubt caused is people reading too deep into Xeto's line read

[balmy storm]

Isn’t he just a frame that’s fueled by his intense emotions and that’s what allows him to have some form of sapience left?

[wild wind]

The difference between Umbra and a regular Excalibur is that Umbra had the worst day of his life on repeat for X-hundred to a thousand years

[graceful zodiac]

By all accounts, yes, that's exactly what Stalker is

[balmy storm]

Yay for powerful emotions and trauma

Trauma he doesn’t remember but trauma all the same

[graceful zodiac]

He does remember that trauma, just not Jade

[balmy storm]

Ye

[lusty basin]

Intentionally those memories were taken from him.

[balmy storm]

I wonder if those powerful emotions result in a frame retaining their sapience due to frames being void powered
I mean I doubt thats what it is but void + emotions tends to = funny things happening
Def a baseless theory

[balmy storm]

We do not know that lol

I dont think we do anyway

[tiny horizon]

If stalker is just a frame how is he sentient

[balmy storm]

Powerful emotions

[tiny horizon]

Fair enough

[balmy storm]

The most powerful
His hate, his despair and his dread
And his guilt

[graceful zodiac]

We don't know why Stalker doesn't have those memories. Could be a punishment, could just be a framing side effect

[lusty basin]

Well, it is easy to infer, and most likely conclusion to draw, as they were turned due to their unsanctioned relationship.

[balmy storm]

I’m noticing that guilt and grief tend to result in sapience

[wild wind]

Getting Warframe'd erases memories as part of the process

[lusty basin]

Orokin being Orokin

[balmy storm]

He kept his memories about the Orokin though

[wild wind]

That's part of why the Warframes went insane

[balmy storm]

So clearly not always, though that may be due to his emotions

[graceful zodiac]

The issue there is that Stalker was still a human at the death of the Orokin

[wild wind]

Like I said, there's a few places that say that he's not a "Warframe" per se

[graceful zodiac]

He (shouldn't) be a frame as punishment

[balmy storm]

But he very much so is lol

[lusty basin]

He was made to be loyal to the Orokin, and Jade was in the way of his duties, snip that.

[graceful zodiac]

That's very not how frames work though

[balmy storm]

It seems he was helminthed after they were gone though

[wild wind]

Like the Albrecht records and iirc some of the old lore convos

[lusty basin]

what

[graceful zodiac]

Orokin wouldn't have needed us if they could install loyalty

[wild wind]

No definitely before

During the quest start flashback Jade's defending Stalker proper from an Excalibur.

[lusty basin]

Who was around after the whole Orokin destruction to Helminth him?

[balmy storm]

That can be after the fall of the Orokin?

[wild wind]

It was during, according to the narration

[graceful zodiac]

That should be during the Collapse

[balmy storm]

So during the collapse he what
Helminthed himself or was helminthed as a last ditch effort?

[graceful zodiac]

Which doesn't preclude him turning himself into a frame after, the Collapse is a stretch of time

[wild wind]

We'd never asked how Stalker was AT the grand celebration, in position to have warned the Orokin, but wasn't killed like every Dax there

[lusty basin]

He was already turned during the Orokin slaughter

[wild wind]

no he'd been changed before that

assuming that Jade getting Warframe'd was her punishment, Stalker getting turned was his

[balmy yoke]

Could someone explain to me how the warframe broke the war blade with out being controlled in the second dream

[balmy storm]

Likely survival instinct

[lusty basin]

His whole loyalty to the Order was programmed into him, and memories of Jade were removed to make him not think of anything else.

[wild wind]

Warframes are quiescent only.

[balmy storm]

“Oops it looks like I’ve been stabbed lemme just get that out”

[graceful zodiac]

Except that's not possible

[balmy yoke]

Thank you

[graceful zodiac]

The Orokin pretty explicitly could not program loyalty

[lusty basin]

...

[balmy storm]

Dax and Grineer?

[wild wind]

With us taking away the pain that had driven them mad, they're content most of the time to just be

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, but they couldn't in frames

[balmy storm]

Due to the infestation I presume

[graceful zodiac]

Something with it in the process, yes

[wild wind]

And, hm? They could program loyalty. Both directly through precepts, and by editing the correct memories.

What they couldn't do was change human nature

Their own as much as anyone else's

[balmy storm]

They couldn’t program loyalty into feral frames

[lusty basin]

Okay, then, explain why, specifically, Jade, of whom was an unsanctioned realtionship, is the memories missing from him, yet he remembers only the Tenno who killed the golden masters of whom he served?

[balmy storm]

Otherwise the tenno would not be needed at all

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, but we know that wouldn't have worked with Frames

[wild wind]

Because the frames were in constant, screaming pain.

[balmy storm]

Umbra is the only example of a frame having sorta loyalty, he couldn’t hurt Ballas but that’s likely due to him being a dax and somewhat sapient due to his whole situation

[wild wind]

And under psychic attack from their creeping infestation

[lusty basin]

I mean, we had to push the blade in.

[balmy storm]

Mhm

[wild wind]

They lost their identities, then their intelligence, then their sanity.

[lusty basin]

And Umbra was allowed to remember his son's death as punishment, mind you.

[balmy storm]

Umbra was also a very late development and his situation was so unique it wouldn’t have been viable to apply on mass
Plus he wasn’t really loyal, he just couldnt hurt the Orokin himself

[wild wind]

Right, programmed loyalty.

[graceful zodiac]

That's very much not the same

[wild wind]

Also Ballas could remotely control him via the transference bolt.

[lusty basin]

Buh buh buhhh

[wild wind]

Yeah that's why Teshin couldn't fight the queens as long as they had the scepter

[balmy storm]

It would not have been viable to do on mass, Umbra’s “loyalty” which was more Ballas controlling him than loyalty but whatever was a very specific case and such a late development it doesn’t matter

[balmy storm]

That’s due to him being a dax and not all frames were dax, many were but not all

[wild wind]

Right but my point is that they had the ability

[balmy storm]

For the average frame programmed loyalty is not feasible

Yes, they did
Just not for frames

[wild wind]

Like I said, frames went out of control due to the Warframe-ing process where that breaks down.

[graceful zodiac]

The kind of loyalty stalker shows, not forced control

[lusty basin]

:/

[balmy storm]

Umbra is forced
Stalker. Idek if thats loyalty to the Orokin, he wants to avenge him yes but it’s more about us than the Orokin

He failed and he’s upset about it

[wild wind]

iirc early Stalker lore was also that he hated how the system went into chaos without the Orokin order

But that's second tier canon at best assuming it still is

[balmy storm]

I can see that too, he likes the sense of order they brought cause he was part of that system

[wild wind]

Not just that (though that's a huge part) but that for all that the Orokin were awful totalitarian dictators, it's still better than the Grineer rolling up to a colony, burning it to the ground and turning the people into nutrient paste.

[graceful zodiac]

There's nothing mentioned about order, his blurb was about avenging the fall of the empire

[lusty basin]

I'm sorry but Stalker's loyalty to the Orokin sounds like it was nothing other than brainwashing. I mean, he and his wife got infested for their relationship and he specifically forgets her. Yet she later remembers him.

[balmy storm]

Or the Corpus taking everything for grofit

[wild wind]

Or the Corpus taking everything for grofit, yeah

[late stirrup]

Except the drifter which is in a bit of a loop of their own
Because of that, I find it doubtful that the loop drove Rell mad
It was likely Wally that did that

[balmy storm]

I must go for now
Enjoy your theorizing all

[wild wind]

That's my take yeah. The second he has something HE cares about the vendetta is over lore-wise, gameplaywise enjoy your green Stalker

[lusty basin]

Thank you.

[wild wind]

Also, hilariously the suppressed memory of Jade would be the reason he couldn't bring himself to warn the Orokin

[wild wind]

Oh the Drifter is a VERY special case

[lusty basin]

Orokin screws themselves over... again.

[wild wind]

toss it on the list

[wild wind]

The Drifter gave up their emotions to the five dragons, and their memories to Thrax. They took on the role of the main character of the Duviri Tales and for hundreds, even thousands of cycles just played in the storybook world.

[lusty basin]

Stalker probably didn't even know his name.

Until now

[wild wind]

But eventually they started trying to escape, which led to Thrax starting the daily executions

What "saved" Drifter was missing those emotions and memories, and the infinitely repeating loop

[lusty basin]

Also, I find it interesting that if you play as Stalker in the event, his name is "???" instead of "Stalker" like in Duviri

Just kinda weird to me

[graceful zodiac]

That's just because Drifter doesn't know who that is

[lusty basin]

Well, no, to the Drifter he is called "Stalker"

But in Belly of the Beast he's "???", is what I'm saying

It's just kinda funny they decided to omit

[wild wind]

are they hiding the player ID too? I only had one stalker join a run so I don't know

[lusty basin]

Lemme check

[prime lantern]

Even with that people's only evidence for it usually ends up being "eternalism bah"

[balmy storm]

I could check my profile but it changed my name to ??? And my operator to a bald default one

Its funky

[wild wind]

hahahaha

[balmy storm]

When I get home I’ll have to check if I got a pic

[wild wind]

man I'm still a bit disappointed

I'd hoped that Stalker would either transference into Jade or tech up with his incarnon loadout to fight the Tenno

[balmy storm]

I’m sad we didnt get to see the night of the naga drums

That being said the quest was beautiful either way

[wild wind]

Yeah I liked it, I like when games surprise me

[balmy storm]

Same!

[wild wind]

Lone Warframe and Cub was a big surprise.

[balmy storm]

Warframe is good at surprising me

I’m totally calling the wally using our parents as angels against us at some point card tho

[wild wind]

oh man that'd be evil haha

[late stirrup]

Tbh, I think the Jade quest was way too short

[wild wind]

Speaking of, if they ever do a Zariman expansion I bet they have us revert the new NPCs from being an angel

[queen crow]

Same

[balmy storm]

The holdfasts? They cant be angels now, we are their light

[wild wind]

No no, have a new character join the Holdfasts

[balmy storm]

Ooooh
Yeah I’d be down for that

[wild wind]

But their intro is an angel hunt where we find out it's possible to reverse the transformation in some cases

[balmy storm]

Showing that we can actually bring the angels back would be so good actually

[lusty basin]

Well, Stalker mode got completely retooled into this assist system. It is interesting

[balmy storm]

Angel Liches and when you beat them you free them from Wally’s fingy song

[wild wind]

though of course they're still immortal undead ghost copies and that kinda sucks

man what faction would angel liches even draw weapons from

[balmy storm]

Void

Oh weapons

Uh
Good question lol

Maybe amps?
New special angel anps

[lusty basin]

Angel Liches are as likely as Sentient Liches XD

[balmy storm]

You both get the amp and also the parts like hounds so you can mix and match

[balmy storm]

Nah, angels are way more likely

[queen crow]

New void weapons would be neat. I do kinda like the aesthetic behind the Incarnon weapons in their incarnon forms

[balmy storm]

Sentient liches don’t really work since we only fight fragments and a few specific ones

[balmy storm]

Same!

[queen crow]

I dunno there's something about the flowy sort of liquid metal look to it that just tickles my fancy

[lusty basin]

As it stands, Void weapons are, what do we have? Thrax unit weapons/Duviri

Incarnons

[queen crow]

An Aeolak/Gotva Prime incarnon would be neat IMO but likely we'll never get it. Or even a Hespar Incarnon

[lusty basin]

But I'll be fairer than the lore fuhrers, I did say before that Infested Liches should be a thing and several said it was stupid and made no sense, now those are becoming a thing. So, you know what? Who knows?

Maybe eventually it will and I'm fine with that

[queen crow]

Are they really becoming a thing? How, like an Apex strain or something?

[lusty basin]

We're not sure yet what they'll be like, just that they are working on it and maybe we'll see something at Tennocon.

That's all I've heard from DE

[wild wind]

I've always said it should be called the Apex strain

[lusty basin]

I think we discussed this before, actually?

I remember Apex being an agreed title

[wild wind]

Upgraded Torid, Lesion, Bubonico let's gooooo

Haha probably

Someone had an idea for Sentient melee weapons that I loved

That they all work like the dark split sword and have different forms depending on the stance

[lusty basin]

I've always wanted a variant for infested weapons and I used to get "That's Mutalist, dum dum"

[queen crow]

But you mean different from the mutalist variants. Like Kuva, Tenet, Vandal, Wraith, etc..

[lusty basin]

Yeah, and I'd say that and they'd be like "That don't make sense!"

[queen crow]

Like a variant on the Hema or something I get it, that would be nice. An upgraded Hirudo would be pretty neat to have ngl

[lusty basin]

Yes

[wild wind]

Right, which misses the point that the mutalist thing was about the infested (re-)learning how to infect metal instead of just flesh

[queen crow]

Exactly!

[lusty basin]

I think people got too stuck on "Infested mutate, they don't improve" which isn't true

If something works, then they can just as much as anything else upgrade it, if they have the intellectual drive to do so.

Which they have shown to have.

The Zealoids introduced that.

No longer just radical mutation and goop, but purposeful intention and using tools

[wild wind]

Which is the worst

Can't wait for Salad to go back to building up infestation

[lusty basin]

But also good in another way. Because as a Lich system, also means they can be reasoned with.

[obtuse gyro]

which is why I want the infested nemesis weapons to be called Zealous and not Apex

[wild wind]

heh

[lusty basin]

I can't wait to have an infested on my RJ crew

🤣

[queen crow]

And watch as boarders just wonder "what the fu-"

[lusty basin]

YES

The horror as the Bubonico beast mows them down.

Teleports to the RJ, high five

[queen crow]

I do kinda like the idea of the infested evolving themselves to the point of being beyond warframes, incorporating the Helminth strain for abilities, hence the Apex Strain. A fusion of both strains to make itself the apex predator.

[wild wind]

.....haha I just realized that's how Sentient liches could work

Amalgams

Or some kind of lesser archon

[queen crow]

Or if you want to expand this idea, it could be a chosen Zealoid that as you fail against him/her, they get more and more horribly mutated. Giving reason to level them up, depending on the advancement of the strain you want to convert at

[brittle heath]

Okay got a question for ya, how do I raise our clan percent on jade shadow?

[lusty basin]

The percentage? That is an overall

[wild wind]

Yeah it's global

[lusty basin]

Clan is just the trophy tier

Should be like 22.3% for everybody

[half crypt]

Thank goodness for that... I'm the only active member of my clan lol

[mossy plover]

soo is Warframe 99 the same as Whispers in the Walls or is that gonna be its own thing?
I only played the one Arthur mission but there's more stuff with Arthur and Aoi in the trailers so idk

[limpid saffron]

The part in Whispers in the Wall is a teaser for Warframe 1999, essentially

[mossy plover]

ok cool, that's what I thought but wasn't sure

that is a cool way to tease content

[rain otter]

We are probably gonna use the time machine in the whispers hub.

If I had to guess.

[glass cargo]

GTA Warframe would be great.

and i know Saints Row 4 exists, but Volition kicked the bucket so no more of that.

[junior vine]

@grand crane in here

[grand crane]

@junior vine oh sorry

[zinc herald]

Onions belt

[junior vine]

Alg

[junior vine]

Wut🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[zinc herald]

I hate my brain

What I was thinking when

[grand crane]

@junior vine alg?

[rain otter]

All good?

[junior vine]

All good

[grand crane]

@junior vine oh ok ty i didnt no honest

[junior vine]

Np

But yeah spoilers go in here

[rain otter]

Have any questions?

[junior vine]

It's where we talk about lore too

[rain otter]

Or anything?

[grand crane]

Ok

[rain otter]

We also talk lore in lore lmao but here is also fine.

Especially for jade

[junior vine]

I didn't even know that there was a lore channel🤣🤣

[grand crane]

I have questions

[junior vine]

Whats up?

[grand crane]

Y did the devs want a pregnant warframe

[junior vine]

She was pregnant before becoming a warframe

[grand crane]

Ooooooooooo

I think i no y the stalker HATED the warframes

And the maybe the tenno

[wild wind]

Not quite, he hated the Tenno for killing the Orokin, because he was brainwashed dedicated to the Orokin.

[rain otter]

The night of Naga drums also has to been like traumatizing to see.

[wild wind]

But the game never gave a reason that he failed to warn the Orokin that the Tenno were going to kill every last one of them. And if somewhere in his mind he remembered that they'd taken his lover...

[rain otter]

Even if they where killing just Orokin. Like well I assume they also killed many dad that day.

[wild wind]

Besides, Jade was the one who saved the Stalker from us killing him like the rest of the dax and the other guardians

[rain otter]

I mean I don't think 1 "low guardian" could stop a whole ceremony right before they where gonna strike cuz he noticed at the 9th drum best.

[wild wind]

I mean he could have, that's the entire point of a bodyguard

[grand crane]

Didnt hunhow brainwashed the stalker too alil

[wild wind]

Yeah it's inconvenient

[rain otter]

Not brainwashed he worked with him.

[wild wind]

Less brainwashed, more gaslit.

[grand crane]

Oh ok

[rain otter]

Now Hunhow is all remorseful and sad.

[wild wind]

Which is a kind of brainwashing.

[rain otter]

Cuz he can't be really upset at the tenno that saved his daughter.

[wild wind]

Losing the part of him that he'd placed in War really hurt Hunhow though.

[rain otter]

He is even telling Stalker during the quest "call the tenno they are good people"

Lmao.

[grand crane]

But ballus did so much worse to lotus

[graceful zodiac]

More "you have no other option now"

[junior vine]

Well, the tenno/drifter ended a whole war

[lusty basin]

Which, considering he wanted to kill us earlier, is a huge step for him.

[junior vine]

The drifter saved his daughter

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow very much still doesn't like us

[rain otter]

Hunhow hates Ballas. Stalker also hates Ballas.

[junior vine]

He appreciates us now

[rain otter]

He is a cockroach of a man. (Ballas)

[grand crane]

@rain otter i hated ballas the first time I saw him

[graceful zodiac]

Not much, not really. He straight up wished he could have been the one to destroy a yareli frame that came his way

[rain otter]

I mean yeah.

[rain otter]

Ehhhh in his mail he is like "I'm the great and I guess terrible"

He sounds like so defeated and just like "I don't wanna fight anymore"

[lusty basin]

And yet instead, he fixed the Yareli and admitted he has become sentimental.

[wild wind]

Hunhow feels he's shot his shot and missed, so he's going to take down everyone he thinks he can on the way down

[rain otter]

Like a divorced dad that just has given up and wants to co-parent his kid well.

[grand crane]

So what can we c the stalker do with baby warframe

[wild wind]

If we were on that list he'd absolutely have told Stalker to ram War into our nav console and hurl the orbiter into the sun

[rain otter]

it's so funny we have like washed up dad hunhow.

[lusty basin]

Pffft, that's your take.

[grand crane]

Im actually interested and curious to find out u no

[rain otter]

It always is.

[rain otter]

Anything can happen. Very open field for the story.

[lusty basin]

I mean the black and white takes earlier.

[rain otter]

Idk what that means.

[lusty basin]

Basically, the take that characters can't change

[grand crane]

@rain otter i hope they continue it

[lusty basin]

I really think Hunhow has underwent changes for the better

[grand crane]

@lusty basin ill believe it when i see it

[rain otter]

Characters can change.

[lusty basin]

He's certainly developed better than say... Alad V and Vay Hek.

[rain otter]

I mean in think Hunhow is depressed.

And his daughter is finally "saved" so like he has no purpose.

[rain otter]

Alad V is very well developed.

He's just a raging villain and opportunist.

[wild wind]

Of course people can change, but Hunhow's really clear that he'd LOVE to kill us and take Natah back

[lusty basin]

Ehhhh...

[wild wind]

He's changed because he failed, not because he says "actually this is fine"

[rain otter]

At this point it feels like he has just left himself go.

[wild wind]

If Praghasa were to show up with a bucket of healing temple kuva you'd best be ready for the Newest War

[rain otter]

I mean through him the tenno killed Ballas and saved lotus so shRug.

[junior vine]

I'm gonna hop on warframe and test a theory I have

[rain otter]

What is it?

Cuz I can probably answer it if it is basic.

[wild wind]

yeah that was nice but what he wanted was the death of all life in the Origin System

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow only cared for Natah's sake

[junior vine]

If when stalker shows up during the 2nd dream pendula mission if he'll just disappear if I'm playing as Jade

[wild wind]

hahaha

[rain otter]

Probably not

[junior vine]

Worth testing

[lusty basin]

Somehow I doubt DE thought that far back but it'd be funny as an alternate take.

Stalker shows up "What are you doing here..?"

Cuts to end

[thin sinew]

Its already been tested and the answer is nuh

[lusty basin]

I'm convinced Elder Queen was the brains of the twin queens.

[wild wind]

Worm's pretty nuts, yeah

[lusty basin]

Nuts and suffers some pretty heavy room temp IQ plays

"I want Voruna because... um... I do! Throw all you have at Lua!" "But my queen, they'll get hit by the neural sentry!" "Eh, whatever. It'll be funny!"

She seems to have just given up on the whole Continuity thing and is just messing around

Heck, she doesn't even talk about reviving her sister last we saw her, just replaced her with a crude makeshift replacement.

Made of bits of junk

Honestly, if anything, we need to have an ingame introduction to Dr. Tengus

He's been hyped as this really intelligent Grineer scientist and we only see him in a comic.

Actually, I kinda wonder if Kuva Liches are one of his works.

[wild wind]

I almost wonder if he'll show up as narmer faction if he ever shows up

[lusty basin]

If he shows up...

He does strike me as an opportunist type

With the Grineer leadership crumbling, I was even wondering if there'd be splintering of power going on.

[wild wind]

hmmm, the Grineer high command is losing members like Vor, but not exactly crumbling....

The Grineer have always been more or less united, unlike the Corpus

but maybe it's time to see a proper splinter faction? More than Meridian I mean.

[obtuse gyro]

grineer high command booted vor from admiral to captain, he wasnt all that to them

[wild wind]

He was a hero independent of that though

For as much as that's worth to the brainwashed spaceclone authoritarian faction though

[lusty basin]

Well, it is decaying, they took on heavy losses in TNW, and instead of putting efforts towards rebuilding, Worm Queen is wasting resources on weird fancies. And Vor actually cared for the future of Grineer, this is true. Vay Hek just cares about Vay Hek, a fact he's proud to state. Sargas Ruk is too proud and set in his ways.

[wild wind]

As shortsighted as Worm is, she says go and the marines go. Between that and the lich project the Grineer have more direction than we've seen since the start of the game.

High Command might be withering, but that might mean she's taking more control.

[lusty basin]

Wait, isn't the Lich Project testing ground for a way towards immortality without Continuity?

Actually, that'd makes sense, as it'd be a way to fix her whole... decaying vessel problem.

Also, I feel like they should change the animation for converting a Lich/Sister from jabbing them to putting away the parazon and lifting them up, because the dialogue does not fit what is going on. 🤣

Like flailing in pain and you hear casually "Yeah, sure, why not?"

I just find that funny.

[tawdry socket]

In addition as of Citrine mirror def, it sounds like Kril is slacking and Regor is one of the only remaining Grineer doing their job

[lusty basin]

Tyl Regor is very dutiful, smart guy, really

[empty mortar]

Nah it should be this fr

[tawdry socket]

Doesn't know what a vivisection is though

[lusty basin]

Well, he's a genius for a Grineer.

Also he may have gotten used to having to dumb down his words, maybe a bit too much, in order to communicate with his fellow Grineer.

He gives off frustrated genius vibes

Honestly, I see Tyl Regor as the most likely of the Grineer leaders to truce with the Tenno, temporarily, at least.

Kela, but only if she's drunk.

[tawdry socket]

After the Tubemen event I doubt it

[lusty basin]

Well, he's also a bigger picture thinker, so it depends on the situation.

Sargas Ruk would never, we know that. Vay Hek would rather sacrifice all of his men then run off.

Actually, I was expecting at least one of the Grineer leaders to get Narmer'd

[gilded cedar]

I don’t get people complaining that Jade (When using her) looks pregnant

There’re no better ways to symbolize life while having it fit to Abrahamic religions
I find it very interesting to see all the references about Jade in general

I even saw someone say they "feel bad for the enemies" while using Jade because of her pregnancy

[shell vessel]

I still dont understand why albrecht entrati met wally and idk where he went plz help

[gilded cedar]

Albrecht went back in time to 1999 so he could protect Loid from Wally. But Wally in its sublime eldritchness followed Albrecht

[shell vessel]

Why protect Loid from wally?

why is wally there in the firet place

[lusty basin]

Why is Wally. That is what we are piecing together gradually.

[gilded cedar]

Because of his experiments with the Void. During his experiment inside the Seriglas bell, he thought it ended in failure but did not expect to encounter Wally

And Ballas did not improve things at all

[lusty basin]

But yeah, Albrecht was exposed to him, and is being puppeteered by him against his will.

Dante suffered a similar fate, actually.

[gilded cedar]

Wally is pretty much the Warframe version of cosmicism (Lovecraft’s philosophy that humans are small and negligible in their actions within the Universe)

Cosmicism also describes that alien beings out there hold no good or bad intentions to us and act as they feel regardless of us
That’s why Wally is called the Great Indifference

[lusty basin]

Also considering that Parvos was exposed and spoke Void Tongue (according to Drusus Leverian who is a reliable source), he may also meet a similar fate eventually.

[fading turret]

My favourite part of Jade Shadows has to be when the Corpus stop firing after hearing the baby cry.

And they make way so Stalker can pass through and get out of there.

[gilded cedar]

And the Corpus curiously staring like "Oh what’s this?"

[fading turret]

Someone mentioned that that last scene parallels Children of Men because there's a scene in that movie where everyone on both sides cease fire to let a small family and baby pass by.

Children of Men on the other hand, the ceasefire is broken following an explosion in the building that they left.

I can't deny I was expecting Stalker to get shot in the back. I'm glad to see the Corpus still have some semblance of empathy and caring.

[gilded cedar]

A friend of mine thinks Xeto may be Darvo’s mother, which would explain her reaction after hearing the baby. While I don’t think Darvo and Xeto are related, it could make sense Xeto had something about children considering her reaction

[fading turret]

Apparently all the Sisters of Parvos were orphans before joining up with Parvos. I suppose they naturally have an aversion to making more orphans or at least when parent and child are right next to each other

[gilded cedar]

Makes sense but Xeto was not even a candidate, she was thinking her discovery would’ve made her a candidate

[fading turret]

Aye

[lusty basin]

Heck, it is easy to forget that Corpus have families and whatnot when they are fodder in missions.

[fading turret]

Most of the Corpus we kill are grown in labs and vats as 'perfect soldiers' or so I understand. I don't think they specifically have families aside from their 'co-workers'.

[gilded cedar]

No wonder why you can pet MOAs

[fading turret]

Still even if you don't have a family I'm sure you can understand how much family means to others.

[gilded cedar]

Well, not in missions

But if we see Corpus in the family aspect, I’d see MOAs to be like dogs. They have emotion modules, you can pet them, they can dance

[fading turret]

Ospreys are pet birds lmao

[lusty basin]

Actually, there's no indication that Corpus are grown in labs, that is more the Grineer.

[fading turret]

Aye then I must have consumed the funny misinformation

[gilded cedar]

Except maybe Tyl Regor’s experiments

Tubemen

[lusty basin]

Yeah, I dunno where people got the "Corpus are grown" thing from.

Augmented, sure.

[nova harness]

Corpus old lore does mention cloning but not in the way some people think

[covert tree]

It's because they all look alike

[lusty basin]

I suppose, but that is more a game thing.

Justifying giving average troops a million model variations when you're gunning them down

[fading turret]

I reckon DE have the tech to make randomly generated Corpus faces.

Until we get complete abominations that is

[gilded cedar]

That makes sense considering Sisters of Parvos

[covert tree]

Yeah there most likely just underpaid wage slaves

[fading turret]

Implying we get to see their faces before they get atomised by my Arca Plasmor

[lusty basin]

🤣

[gilded cedar]

Or getting Tennokai-ed by my Guandao Prime

[fading turret]

Or C O N S U M E D by CaseOh Grendel.

[gilded cedar]

Why do enemies killed by Tennokai just disintegrate into nothing

[lusty basin]

IIRC, they used to dissolve with the old melee channel system.

[fading turret]

Tennokai seems to run on the old Melee Channelling mechanics. It makes your weapon glow when you can trigger it just like Channelling used to. Channelling also disintegrated enemies, so Tennokai seems to do the same.

[gilded cedar]

Huh, neat

[fading turret]

I really miss Melee Channelling ngl it was so freakin cool

Just making my weapon glow and sparkle was epic

It wasn't particularly useful aside from RTSing bullets but it was such a cool thing.

[lusty basin]

That takes me way back

[fading turret]

Yeah I started playing in the later half of 2017 on PS4.

[lusty basin]

2014 here.

[fading turret]

Quit after Sacrifice, got so damned sick of pink Lotus

Came back last year around this time idk the exact day

On PC of course. Then I merged my accounts together.

[gilded cedar]

Almost 3 years for me

[lusty basin]

I remember when abilities were mods.

[gilded cedar]

I remember when people told me Excalibur Umbra sucks
Been 3 years I used him and I do SP with ease using him

[lusty basin]

Wh... Umbra doesn't suck.

[fading turret]

Umbra has been considered bad for a long time because he can die when you Transference, which makes Transference pretty much impossible to use.

[gilded cedar]

People are fixated about losing the buffs you have on him when going to Operator

[fading turret]

He has an Aug now, Warrior's Rest, which disables his sentience and gives him 15% strength

[gilded cedar]

But if you think for at least a second, you can make sure it doesn't happen

[gilded cedar]

I don't use it, even if I had the space for it

[fading turret]

It's an Exilus Mod so I swapped out Power Drift for it lmao

[gilded cedar]

Because then again, I think of how I use Abilities with him so I make sure I don't waste them by switching to Operator

[fading turret]

Actual smartest Warframe gamer

[gilded cedar]

Thanks to Nourish and Furious Javelin, I can easily wreck stuff up with Guandao Prime

[fading turret]

I wish I understood how Nourish worked sooner tbh but I think it's the fact that it has like three different effects

Energy recharge, Viral damage, and healing.

I use it on Mesa so I can hit that Toxin-Viral-Corrosive status combo.

Note: Corro status via Archon Continuity. Not damage

[gilded cedar]

There's no healing with the subsumed version

[fading turret]

Oh really? That's fair. It still shows up in the statline though

[teal galleon]

still don't know how to feel about Jade. But i have to respect the sheer audacity of DE letting us pilot a pregnant mother into battle.

[covert tree]

She has a craving a craving for VIOLENCE

And pickles dipped in ranch

[dapper dove]

is stalker retired

[nova harness]

No

[dapper dove]

where does he put the child when hes doing his stuff

[nova harness]

In bed

[teal galleon]

idk, but him dropping alimony when he seen jade and then going to get more milk is kind of funny

[primal merlin]

Does anyone else think it's really cute that Jade and Stalker have the exact same weapon type loadout in Bow, Throwing knife, and Scythe?

[teal galleon]

im more disturbed that the jade we build is also pregnant

[nova harness]

She has a craving for killing

[primal merlin]

I wanna say that her form after becoming a Warframe just stayed that way so she's not really "pregnant," just in the shape of someone who's pregnant? But also she has a unique dash instead of a roll, which makes sense if you're trying to dodge while not hurting a baby.

[covert tree]

You stole my line but made it bland

[covert tree]

|||||

[teal galleon]

where do you think the second aura slot came from?

[primal merlin]

She's just got the extra space.

It's empty now, she can fit the extra aura.

[teal galleon]

well and then there are the nobel animations, but i guess it is possible

[primal merlin]

Realistically I know the flavor is that the baby gives you the extra aura, but I really don't want to think that we go into battle while weaponizing pregnancy.

[gusty pebble]

Was parvos traumatized by ordan smh

[tawdry socket]

Imagine not just going for full light attack spam as a helicopter

[gilded cedar]

Oh I do

[undone lodge]

In-Game no, in-lore probably

[gilded cedar]

He's a fanboy

[dapper dove]

lua has beds

[gusty pebble]

Man i qould really hate if ballas comes back in 1999

They gotta stop milkin the dude

[undone lodge]

Why would he?

[tawdry socket]

I do genuinely doubt he'll do anything more than flashbacks or prime trailers

[gusty pebble]

Y is man in the wall villainified

I have no clue

Dude was helpful so many tines

And we just bein a dk to him now

[undone lodge]

Also he’s been used like 3 times how is that milking

[tawdry socket]

It took our duviri counterpart breaking out of a paradox for us to "survive" being stabbed and thrown into the void, and we know where his "counterpart" is in essence

[nova harness]

For his own goals

[gusty pebble]

Idk if u have some brain cells he had been milked from umbra story till now major main storyline he just not fit for villainify

[gusty pebble]

What goal

Fr

Dude just want his fingers back

Dude was exploited ryt and left

He just tagfer

[tawdry socket]

On all levels I do not understand your point

Do you mean you just didn't like how he was set up or something?

[nova harness]

Did you know he’s done more harmful things than good things

[gusty pebble]

Im just hating

[gusty pebble]

Like this is peak colonism lmao u can exploit others but others cant

[tawdry socket]

What

[primal merlin]

Bro stated it clearly, he's hating for the purpose of being a hater lmao

[gusty pebble]

For ballas yes

[nova harness]

Bro is Ballas

[primal merlin]

Us getting the finger was an accident though. Man in the wall tried to give Albrecht the bad touch and lost it while Albrecht ran away. He's coming back to finish the job.

[gusty pebble]

Albrecht is bad

He is orokin yk

[primal merlin]

I mean there were some pretty chill Orokin. The Entrati family is nice enough.

[gusty pebble]

He sent kids to revive

Into uncharted territory

He made the last species exploited into death

Yall got real doublestandards or ydk lore smh

Mouthbreathers fr

[primal merlin]

Well yeah that part is bad, but messing with Albrecht doesn't make Wally good. They both kinda suck. The first time they met Albrecht went in by himself.

[gusty pebble]

He took his finger cut it off and used it as power source

[nova harness]

In Warframe everyone is evil to some degree

[primal merlin]

Albrecht wasn't even trying to take the finger, he closed a door and the finger was in the door.

Man capitalized though.

[nova harness]

Albrecht wanted Void energy in general

[primal merlin]

In his defense, the previous assumption was also that nothing lived in the void, because why would it?

[tawdry socket]

Man did the equivalent of closing an airlock door on a Deep Sea Creature he didn't know could even live down there

[primal merlin]

More like he tripped and accidentally knocked a gun off the table that shot Wally lmao

In a metaphorical sense of course. It was very much a struggle.

[spice sparrow]

This gotta be the first time I've seen an actual Wally defender

[nova harness]

Bro just had his daughter close a door but one guy had his finger in it

[spice sparrow]

Yeah and he knows it

But a man gotta do what he gotta do to stop an eldricht cosmic horror from making reality collapse upon itself

[primal merlin]

The final weapon we use against Wally has to be a portal gun, so we can keep chopping off fingers.

[nova harness]

If I must be a demon let me be an honest one let me prove my nature by what I do next -Albrecht Entrati

[gusty pebble]

Hmm nah wheres the proof

[spice sparrow]

Wdym where's the proof

[primal merlin]

Rell didn't die for this slander.

[teal galleon]

i mean... there is a not insignificant chance Rell misunderstood wally

[gusty pebble]

Yeah a kid stranded alone will not misunderstand

Blaas dudnt misunderstand

Lotus didnt misunderstand

[obtuse gyro]

If I throw you into a pit and then give you a rope to climb out on the condition we make a deal, am I being helpful or am I manipulating you?

[gusty pebble]

Who throw who lmao

Ballas wall altogether a fault from this side

Alad v altogether this side

Tenno getting thrown into void by unreliable crew this side

[obtuse gyro]

I see alot of words that are not relevant to the question.

I'll ask again

If I throw you into a pit (Wally making your parents go mad)
and then give you a rope to climb out on the condition we make a deal (Wally makes a deal with the tenno to have the power to save themselves)
am I being helpful or am I manipulating you? (Is wally helpful or manipulating you?)

[spice sparrow]

Have we played the same game?

[primal merlin]

I'd say Rell more likely has a better understanding of Wally than most of us though, given he stayed behind specifically to understand what Wally was about. And the fact that he stood guard for that long instead of leaving means he concluded Wally was bad. Possibly still wrong, but everything we see on Deimos makes it seem like he's gonna turn our system into dust.

[gusty pebble]

U r the excibit A of the fish fibonacci at this point

Scared cz of unknown

[spice sparrow]

Wtf do you mean "thrown into the void by an unreliable crew"???

[gusty pebble]

Duviri paradox is almost cope by one of the tenno during the void

U can see how they affected mentally

Not to say the black eyes on the new war quest is still a mystery

[obtuse gyro]

Wally might not have been responsible for the zariman crashing, but he is implicated to be the one responsible for driving the people insane onboard.

Wally is no innocent beast

[gusty pebble]

Everyone went insane

That is void property

[obtuse gyro]

Correct, thanks to Wally, as identified by Rell

[gusty pebble]

Tenno was put to sleep becz of it

[spice sparrow]

What version of Warframe are you playing man

[primal merlin]

This dude is 100% trolling lmao

[obtuse gyro]

incorrect, the Tenno did not go insane. This much is known for years now

[gusty pebble]

Nah

[obtuse gyro]

The adults went mad, the children did not

[gusty pebble]

At the start

Then tell me y were they put to sleep and forgotten themselves

[obtuse gyro]

No, throughout the children did not go mad

[gusty pebble]

U missing keypoinys

[obtuse gyro]

because of their void powers

Void powers and going insane are two different things

[spice sparrow]

Because they got Void powers and the Orokin didn't like them

[obtuse gyro]

something you clearly missed out

[spice sparrow]

And then they were turned into child soldiers

[obtuse gyro]

shinji get in the damn robot

[gusty pebble]

No tenno didnt like orokin because of exploit

Not the other way around

Thats y they massacred

[south wigeon]

No, we did not go insane, nor are we currently insane. The adults are the only ones that went insane.

[obtuse gyro]

wow

[gusty pebble]

Yes we are not currently

[south wigeon]

and we weren't back then either

[spice sparrow]

Note to self: actual Wally defenders don't know jack about the lore

[gusty pebble]

Yeah u spiting key facts ryt there child

[sonic cedar]

Orokin didnt like the tenno cause the tenno had actual empathy and showed everyone that the orokin where really just weak

[obtuse gyro]

and yet

"You were so brave - but the Orokin were afraid of you. The Void had changed you and you couldn't control it, no one could. They were about to destroy the orphans of Ten-Zero but Margulis... she loved you, she found a way..."
The Second Dream lays it out very clearly the orokin did not want us

[primal merlin]

As I said, man's trolling. Getting us riled up for laughs. True Wally behavior.

[nova harness]

Can now confirm discord has made my actual user insane

[teal galleon]

sanity is overrated anyway

[primal merlin]

This is how he drove the crew of the Zariman insane, they were mostly scholars and he taught them revisionist history and really inefficient math.

Limbo never recovered.

[spice sparrow]

Do you think sqrt(-1) exists in the Void?

[sonic cedar]

Zariman was a black swan event (In my opinion cause unforeseen event with massive consequences)

[obtuse gyro]

I dont know if he's trolling tho, we've been in brain rot territory for so long I cant tell if he's trolling or if he's actually yknow media illiterate.

Its one thing to have a misguided interpretation of the lore, but when homie started bringing in irrelevant concepts to the question of Wally, I really couldnt tell if he really believed his talking points and was just vomiting all of it out or if he was just trying to ben shapiro verbal vomit to obfuscate and annoy

[spice sparrow]

Why are you bringing up Duviri now

[obtuse gyro]

That is not wally

that is the Operator to the Drifter

[south wigeon]

...that's operator and drifter

[gusty pebble]

Wrong quote

[obtuse gyro]

[cinder night]

Since i know you got some really good takes, rate the new quest 1-10

[south wigeon]

if I may hijack, I'll ask the same thing but for New War

[spice sparrow]

11/10 the birthing minigame was absolute cinema

[cinder night]

LMAO

[primal merlin]

Stalker not having incarnon weapons was a big L on his part though. Man has not kept up with the meta.

Gave his whole loadout a synergy buff and he ain't using it.

[spice sparrow]

Incarnons are crafted by Cavalero back in the Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

hmmmm I enjoyed myself, so I'd give it a 7-8. I wish it were actually the 30-40 minutes according to the warning, but I am too gamer so I finished it real quick. We've had some very interesting lore implications for that, and so I'd agree with DE when they said we'd walk away with more questions.

[spice sparrow]

Ain't no way Stalker could grab them

[teal galleon]

the mindblowing reaveal asside (that the theme warning at the strt totally spoiled for anyone who actually reads them), can we take a moment to appreciate that the stalker has a batcave?

[south wigeon]

The length is my only complaint with the quest. It would have really benefited from like, 20 more minutes or smthn imo.

[spice sparrow]

I read it and thought there was gonna be a miscarriage or something

Not an actual baby Warframe

[south wigeon]

It didn't spoil, because literally who expects pregnant Warframe and a baby from a Warframe? My thoughts upon reading the warning was that Jade was Stalker's mom

[cinder night]

Yeah honestly i felt the same way the quest felt alittle short? Maybe i just gamed way to hard all over those silly corpuses faces, but other then that from a lore standpoint i'm interested what they're gonna do with stalker form now on, seeing as he's probably gonna give up hunting tenno in one way or another

[obtuse gyro]

For the new war I'd give an 8 perhaps? Although I wished for there to be more of a "war" component to the new war, the lore reveals both forward and backward were most excellent for nerds like myself. Again, gamer moments so I didnt take too long to clear TNW, although I can understand certain frustrations with certain segments, not that I can relate but I can see where some might struggle. I am minorly iffy on the subsequent decision to make duviri playable before TNW, but given how the general playerbase tends to just outright forget story beats, the concern where the Drifter dampens the revelation of The Second Dream is slightly alleviated

[south wigeon]

W take

[nova harness]

I’m surprised Stalker didn’t question seeing the kid he thought was an adult now suddenly a kid again

[primal merlin]

I liked the lore and the emotional impact was good, but I think the setup for the scenario is weird? Like the fact that the Stalker's probably been doing this bioplasma grab and go for a while (just because I doubt he's been very idle with Jade otherwise) and only now his position gets compromised? Also like, the implication that he could've killed us any time he really wanted because getting into the Orbiter was so easy, but just hasn't.

[spice sparrow]

He’s a firsthand witness of how hard the Tenno are to kill

He probably thought barging in wasn’t worth it

Also y’know (what looks like) child murder

[south wigeon]

Also like, the implication that he could've killed us any time he really wanted because getting into the Orbiter was so easy
We were literally hindered the last time he got into the orbiter and tried to kill us

what would happen if he tried to kill us when we weren't?

[obtuse gyro]

Also like, the implication that he could've killed us any time he really wanted because getting into the Orbiter was so easy, but just hasn't.
I think it might be because of that underlying um, idea? That he wants to avoid the tenno. Not sure. One of the questions I've had post quest

[teal galleon]

i think that he hates the warframes not the tenno

[primal merlin]

I know we beat him before while hindered, but it kind of felt like he had us dead to rights since we didn't even make the attempt to defend ourselves at scythe-point. Maybe you could say we just knew he didn't want to hurt us, but he literally caught us in the pod.

[south wigeon]

I mean if he wanted to fight

he would have like, already been swinging

[cinder night]

I feel like he's more interested in killing "Frames" then the actual operator, the thought coming from the fact that he always opts to hunt down warframes on their missions to kill them, rather then invading their orbiter which he has proved he's very capable of doing

[spice sparrow]

Reminder that Operator survived getting stabbed in the heart

[south wigeon]

Stalker has no reason to hold us at scythe point if he is gonna fight, if he was there to fight, he'd just swing

[primal merlin]

Forgot we've been stabbed in the heart, that's actually fair.

[spice sparrow]

And and he’d go down like every other time Stalker fought the Tenno

[south wigeon]

That too. We like. Can't die.

[primal merlin]

My point was more like, we wouldn't have been able to stop him if he really swung based on how we reacted when the pod opened. But also yeah, we don't die so that's whatever.

[spice sparrow]

Technically we’ll die when the servers shut down but that’s unrelated

[teal galleon]

the idea i got from the war within/ new war before researching any lore was that every time we die in mission we swap to the timeline of a us that either did not go on that mission or did not die

[spice sparrow]

That’s not how eternalism works

You just get knocked out and transfer back to your frame

[primal merlin]

And if our frame dies we sort of just wake up back in the orbiter so... really kind of a tough system to beat.

[covert tree]

It would of been cool if stalker could of surprise attacked you in your orbiter

[teal galleon]

i mean it would explain how we can go on the same mission over and over, i thought it was a neat explanation for that, but i know that the common consensus is a different interpretation

[primal merlin]

My interpretation is that whenever we fail a mission and lose all of our lives, a tenno operative goes in and gets our stuff back for us lol

Just cause there's so many missions where there's someone in the background grabbing loot while you're stalling.

[spice sparrow]

Who are these guys anyway?

[primal merlin]

The Tenno operatives?

Either other Tenno or people who are just allied with us I suppose.

[spice sparrow]

Yeah

Given all Tenno are (actually not) teenagers

Who are these grownass men?

(It’s probably just a relic of when Focus didn’t exist but still)

[south wigeon]

out of curiosity, what would you say is the most interesting implication? You are one of the best at Warframe lore that I've seen, so talking to you is fun and interesting (do pings bother you?)

[teal galleon]

same guys we free on the rescue missions i guess

[primal merlin]

My first inclination would be to assume Arbiters of Hexis because they're very fond of the Tenno warrior mythology. There's probably other free agents who are also sympathetic to our cause, but Arbiters especially would love the chance to revive and assist the Tenno.

[balmy storm]

Aren’t those tenno pods warframes?

In the awakening we originally woke from a cryopod

[primal merlin]

Presumably yeah. But the Warframe actually being piloted by children likely isn't common knowledge, so I assume most people see the Warframes and are like "The Tenno!"

Of course, some people know about us like Little Duck and the Quills in general, probably.

[teal galleon]

man , i wish there were more uses for riven slivers, i will have a good stockpile after this event

[south wigeon]

As long as I get twenty a week, I'm content. Those veiled rivens are nice passive income.

[simple python]

There was a concept that DE was trying to bake into Spy, Murex, etc. Back when Empreyan Tides was rolling out. Where it's supposed to be more apparent that one team is stalling Survival, and another team is doing Spy.

[obtuse gyro]

nah pings are fine

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh most interesting implication would obviously be the baby, because he's something so damn new. Its basically the core plot of bladerunner but in warframe, but it might tie right into the Void Arc because that baby might just be something unique enough for wally

[vagrant otter]

did anyone else get baby fever recently ?

[simple python]

Oh right the indifference values uniqueness.

[south wigeon]

Honestly was gonna ask what the most interesting implication about the baby there is, but there's so much that idk where to begin

[spice sparrow]

The fact that it even exists, for starters

[cinder night]

Feel like we'll get some time loop BS to turn the baby adult and then it becomes a playable frame using the name the community majority decided

[south wigeon]

Nahhh I want mine's name to be Orion tho

I wonder if it'd be possible for them to make the same frame have different names for different people

[cinder night]

I'd like to believe most people picked orion

It just sounds better

[south wigeon]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Sirius outnumbers us, by like a lot

[covert tree]

I picked sirius black

[obtuse gyro]

The baby is the first and only entirely undesigned warframe thing out there, and its the first child-warframe ever. Will it also succumb to infested madness? Or will it be fine because it never originally had a human mind, it only had its own

more than that Wally's whole shtick can be related to psychoanalysis, and this baby is literally prime candidate to go through the birth of the ego yada yada

[south wigeon]

from what I've seen most people instantly click Sirius after seeing green, which = Jade's choice

[simple python]

I couldn't stomach Sirius Black-Potter-Stalker Babyframe.

I chose Orion, my bad.

[teal galleon]

Pretty sure in HP Orion was the name of Sirius' dad, though i also may have read one to many fanfic

[obtuse gyro]

same, if it werent for HP I might have picked Sirius.

Not that I dislike HP, I just am adverse to the idea that I might look like one of those folks who've made HP their entire personality (and spent copious amounts of time on AO3)

[south wigeon]

also, as I saw someone else say, not only is the baby very unique, possibly enough to interest Wally as you said, but a baby is the ultimate blank slate from a symbolic standpoint, and perhaps to an extent from a literal one aswell, kinda embodies emptiness in a way.

[obtuse gyro]

the baby being a blank slate might be even more of use to wally as a host body ngl

[primal merlin]

Had the same thought I did. But I was more thinking in the way of, "The stalker would only be our ally in the future if Wally took his baby's body."

[spice sparrow]

I went Sirius because it’s the name Jade wanted

[gusty pebble]

Can u see the baby in game out side of the quest?

[south wigeon]

I'm gonna be honest, I know so little about HP that I didn't even know there was someone named Sirius there

[spice sparrow]

Not yet

[obtuse gyro]

which also provides an avenue for Wally's defeat yet again. Because the baby is literally the product of a steadfast unrelenting love in the face of adversity, like we've beaten wally with the memory of love already, imagine what we could do with a product of love

[south wigeon]

I looked at the choices, saw Sirius was Jade's and Orion was Sorren/Stalker's, thought about which one I wanted, and went with Orion

[simple python]

Non. But I have screenshots somewhere of their gamer rgb face. Lmao.

[gusty pebble]

What

[south wigeon]

I never thought I'd be calling a Warframe, and I'm still hesitant to call the baby a Warframe btw... adorable?

[primal merlin]

I avoided Orion because I didn't like the thought of Stalker of all people naming his kid after a hunter lmao. "Not another acolyte, please! No Damian Wayne here!"

[gusty pebble]

Can warframe grow

[simple python]

In all honesty though, this quest really did hit me somewhere. Wistful, but not full heartbreak.

[gusty pebble]

[simple python]

It's possible. Probably not but possible

[gusty pebble]

Idk anything growing unless nidus

[simple python]

The thing is Ordis states directly, Warframes can sustain themselves off of their own power consistantly.

[south wigeon]

but like no, this la creatura over here is straight up adorable

[gusty pebble]

Everything is paving way for infested

Nidus with 1200 armor with adapt doesnt die

With jade ex

Like warframes were made through infested

[simple python]

However, ehm... pregnancy is a very parasitic state for humans, and considering all warframes most of them used to be human. It's likely that this pregnancy was extremely parasitic for Jade as well.
Which is why she willingly died. I imagine there may be a similar problem in the future if Babyframe tries to grow.

[primal merlin]

Curious about what kind of powers the baby would have in any case. To my knowledge, Warframes as we operate them in the modern era are sort of crystallizations of the experiences of the human warriors they were made from (in most cases, at least). Aside from seemingly the energy he inherited from Jade though, the baby doesn't really have anything like that.

Of course, as Bau said, that means he's a prime candidate for Wally's host body. We already use the Warframes to channel our void powers, and this kid is a nice blank slate.

[sly glacier]

I helped deliver a baby does that mean I’m a doctor now

[obtuse gyro]

I think babyframe might not have issues growing, or at least DE might just sidestep that issue entirely

[south wigeon]

It's also... well, the baby of a Warframe, it may not necessarily follow our ideas of aging or maturing, if that makes sense? Dunno how to word it

but if it does grow.... well the ongoing plot involves timey wimey shenanigans, so they can sidestep that completely

[gusty pebble]

If it does grow

[primal merlin]

Little dude had a gestation period of at least a few decades lmao

[gusty pebble]

Will it age and die ?

[sonic cedar]

Parvos is also very interested in the baby as well given the discussions he was having with Ordis

[gusty pebble]

[south wigeon]

I assume it would either have powers similar to that of Jade or entirely it's own thing

[gusty pebble]

Own

[simple python]

Warframes don't... deterioate like humans do. Or well... like the Grineer or Corpus do.

[south wigeon]

imma be honest chief, literally every faction that learns about it's existence would be interested in it

[gusty pebble]

Umbra did detiriitrare

[south wigeon]

no

He doesn't deteriorate in the physical sense

[gusty pebble]

Or like torn

[simple python]

We kid about frames sharing some essence of style with prior frames. Like uncle hydroid and niece yareli... this could actually have some tie-in with babyframe.

[gusty pebble]

What

[gusty pebble]

Ni way unless the warframe has sentience like umbra

[south wigeon]

Right now, one of the biggest questions is if the Lotus knows about the baby or not, and seeing as there's no scene involving her in the quest, imma guess that no, she doesn't know and that we didn't tell her

[simple python]

She might find out further down the line.

[gusty pebble]

I think 1999 is the dreams of the warframes

[sly glacier]

Collectively?

[gusty pebble]

The true people who they were before fighting against the programming

[gusty pebble]

Crazy theory

[simple python]

Y'all got me monologuing

I gtg. Back to work

[gusty pebble]

Warframes were people before like umbra

Their minds are locked away

[nova harness]

Where did you get your theories Dseige?

[simple python]

1999 is likely going to be an AR where the frames are instead super soldiers.

[gusty pebble]

@south wigeon

[violet cipher]

why did the corpus let stalker go

[simple python]

Like Captain America or something

[violet cipher]

why do they care about the baby

[nova harness]

It’s a baby duh

[obtuse gyro]

Imma stop you right there.

We've already got confirmation that Arthur and Aoi, and all protoframes, are not related to the frames of the future, aside from being made into partial versions of them

[violet cipher]

they have been gunning for kids since time immemorial

[obtuse gyro]

The "true people" of the frames we use today are not appearing in 1999 in some collective dream land thing

Arthur and Aoi have just been turned into partial warframes by Albrecht, that is all

[south wigeon]

Xeto is a chad

I originally thought the sheer specialness of the baby was what moved her but as someone else said, she stops after hearing the baby cries, not due to seeing it

[gusty pebble]

Hmm

[south wigeon]

so she actually stops because it's just a baby, since it's reasonable to assume the baby is from anything except a Warframe

in other words: Xeto is the most compassionate Corpus so far

[gusty pebble]

No way isnt it albrecht goin back to timetravel and fix his mistakes ?

[nova harness]

You honestly sound like Dseige 2.0

[violet cipher]

i dont like it, doesnt make sense to me since they are actively trying to kill kids. Would make more sense if we had tp there and saved stalker

[teal galleon]

Though with all the void ...uhm~stuff... going on I would not dismiss the thought that the protoframe will have some influence on the later actual warframes

[violet cipher]

I wouldny mind that if she wasnt a sister

[south wigeon]

a baby is not the same as the Tenno

[violet cipher]

we are kids

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht's creation of the protoframes was part of his attempts to right his mistakes in wally

[south wigeon]

one is a baby, the other... aren't even seen as humans or the sort by many, "void devils"

[gusty pebble]

Im lost what u trying to tell

[nova harness]

Using frames of war that the Corpus don’t know the truth about

[south wigeon]

We are also the single most efficient and effective killers piloting the most powerful warriors

[gusty pebble]

I thought 1999 was albeecht goin back to his actual past

[south wigeon]

the baby.... is just a baby

[violet cipher]

baby frame of war

[nova harness]

Corpus don’t know Warframes are controlled by children

[obtuse gyro]

And? Albrecht made the protoframes in 1999. He went back there and made the protoframes

Also its not his actual past 1999 is waaaaaaaaay to far in the past for that shtick

[gusty pebble]

They know they created protea

[south wigeon]

really, the tenno are a child almost entirely in appearance only, we don't actually act like a child or child soldier in any scenario, that's important to keep in mind

[violet cipher]

doesnt make sense to me based on everything we sen from corpus, mininum they wo9uld grab the baby to study, use or sell

[obtuse gyro]

they didnt even do that, Parvos got ballas to build protea for him

[violet cipher]

specially a sister corpus

[gusty pebble]

Check protea prime lore

[teal galleon]

except Alaad V, speaking of hes gonna be heartbroken stalker was already taken heh

[nova harness]

Knowing about creating a Warframe doesn’t mean you know kids control them

[obtuse gyro]

yea, how bout you check it, because Parvos is literally asking ballas to build protea for him

[south wigeon]

Again, though, you are missing the point:

The baby is a baby

The Tenno are the single most effective and efficient killers in the system, piloting Warframes, the most advanced tools of killing there is

[gusty pebble]

Bruv

[gusty pebble]

U on a loop

[south wigeon]

The Tenno are children, yes, but they don't act or operate or think like children or child soldiers, they operate more akin to actual veterans, because they are

[gusty pebble]

Check the primes trailer

[violet cipher]

nothing they ever did point to them having any compation whatsoever, quite the contrary

[gusty pebble]

Like sop see the operator

[violet cipher]

fortuna, sisters...

[nova harness]

The Prime trailers are about frames not the kids

[violet cipher]

if it was kahl/clem situation I wouldnt mind, but she is a sister

[obtuse gyro]

I know reading might be challenging at times, but please

Ballas: At last. Esteemed Parvos. Tell me what you desire and we shall furnish you.

Parvos: My desire is well known to you. Assemble what I have designed, and I shall be on my way.

Ballas: Potent weaponry, exquisite anatomy, those are trivial. But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati-

Parvos: The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them.

Ballas: What shall we name her then - this child of two fathers?

Protea.

[south wigeon]

We've never seen them in a situation with a baby either, moreover, Fortuna and the sisters are ran by Nef or Parvos etc.

This is a sister candidate, not a pre-existing character

if the one sparing Stalker was Vala or Parvos, you'd have a point

but it's a sister candidate, and a Corpus we've never seen

[gusty pebble]

Bruv u r missing brain cells yapping about the protea

[violet cipher]

that is the point a sister candidate

[gusty pebble]

Im talkin about prime

[violet cipher]

they are higher ranking corpus

[gusty pebble]

Trailer

[obtuse gyro]

my guy... THATS FROM THE PRIME TRAILER

[south wigeon]

and, again, a blank slate of a character too, so they can justify her sparing here

[primal merlin]

@south wigeon Don't let him getcha in the troll loop.

Whoops, meant to @ Bau

[south wigeon]

and she is here in person, that's different from ordering soldiers around

[primal merlin]

But also in general

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think he's a troll, I think he's actually like that

[violet cipher]

a blank slate build on precendt of a unity which is anything but merciful or compationate

[south wigeon]

they've been humanizing the enemy factions for a while now, and while none of the corpus characters we knew of before this would spare Stalker there, that does not go for a priorly non-existing character

[primal merlin]

Ain't no way someone gets this far in the game without knowing Primes are just the original frames. This has to be trolling.

[obtuse gyro]

the spelling errors, the startling leaps and gaps in knowledge, thats too natural for a troll inciting rage, thats a whole dingus

[woeful patio]

Ok let me put more fire on this firepit.

[obtuse gyro]

oh uh, thats not necessarily the case anymore

[nova harness]

That’s been retconned

[obtuse gyro]

some primes came first, some base frames had to earn prime status

[real niche]

That's been wrong for a long while

[primal merlin]

Well egg on my face then, that answers a lot of questions I had.

[south wigeon]

and also Revenant

[obtuse gyro]

one of our dear edge cases

[gusty pebble]

My bad

[woeful patio]

Does you guys think the tenno felt what pregnancy feels like?, bc on sacrifice quest we can see the warframes without operators do have intense feelings and what they feel can be felt by our operator

[south wigeon]

Anyway yeah, Xeto is a chad because she acted the opposite to the way the average Corpus would act

[obtuse gyro]

Imo they might have? But its rather inconclusive

[gusty pebble]

Breh thats cz im in mobile dc

[nova harness]

We were feeling something when we did that thing

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/μανταμφρικαρω-eating-popcorn-joker-gif-15586585

[gusty pebble]

U dont see someone create a warframe and not know what tenno are

[south wigeon]

...seeing as the operator couldn't breathe after one of the sections with Umbra in The Sacrifice...? I'm inclined to believe yes, they did.

But this is the one question from the quest I'd rather not dwell on

[nova harness]

Most people think Tenno are just the frame

[teal galleon]

i mean most of the sisters we fight are heretics anyway

[south wigeon]

^

Hencewhy most factions use "tenno" and "warframe" interchangably

[obtuse gyro]

you dont need to have designed a warframe to know what tenno are. the warframe project existed before the tenno were incorporated into the project

[south wigeon]

Also this, I would not use sisters or kuva liches as the gold standard of loyalty

[woeful patio]

This dont takes the fact our operator did learned what it is

[obtuse gyro]

Hell, both alad v and sargus ruk have dissected warframes thoroughly and both couldnt figure out that there was a remote operator

[south wigeon]

wait, roll back, when did Sargas do that?

[woeful patio]

If i do t forget yeah

[nova harness]

Many if not all Warframes were made before Tenno even controlled them

[woeful patio]

He dissected one warframe to make his 2.0 moa

[south wigeon]

is it one of those operations or events or the like

that happened before I started playing

[woeful patio]

Maybe

[obtuse gyro]

ah no, sargus ruk doesnt, I've misremembered his "WHAT FLESH IS INSIDE YOUR WARFRAME" line

[south wigeon]

Ah

Actually, unrelated somewhat but, what did Alad see inside Warframes that "didn't make sense"? The infestation?

[gusty pebble]

Not when parvos was there

[obtuse gyro]

anyway point still stands, salad v dissected warframes and still couldnt discover the tenno, being able to build a warframe is independent of your knowledge of the tenno

[gusty pebble]

Parvos was peaked after orokin downfall

Get ur timeline ryt

[woeful patio]

Whem valkyr got released salad dissected warframes and study/torture one warframe in special while the dismembered parts was used to make his personal dog corpus

Alad*

[violet cipher]

alad v did

pretty sure

[gusty pebble]

Alad v knows about tenno nearly

[obtuse gyro]

you say that, and yet I fail to see your point.

saying "Not when parvos was there" doesnt somehow show anyone that parvos knew about the tenno

[woeful patio]

Alad is the ceo of wtf is a warframe

[obtuse gyro]

like what is the link here? I say that we know that knowledge of frames does not translate into knowledge of the tenno, you come out here swinging saying "nuh uh not when parvos was there"

as if that somehow proves your point with no evidence

[nova harness]

Ew Dseige the worst lore youtuber

[gusty pebble]

Parvos created the frame after the orokin downfall after tenno were incorperated smh

Challenged ?

[woeful patio]

☝️🤓

[gusty pebble]

Its ss not what he says

[nova harness]

The ability to create a frame does not mean you necessarilyknow about the gamer controlling it

[gusty pebble]

challenged people and kids who dont understand trauma to actually get warframe lore

[woeful patio]

The point is warframe is a warframe tenno is a tenno, the only connection they have is the facility of both getting alog with eachother

[primal merlin]

Dude saw my unoptimized build where I put negative strength on Ember.

Actually though, he might've been confused about why a Warframe is even allowed to move. I think people are expecting something that would fuel autonomous movement, but in reality they're effectively flesh robots possessed by void ghosts.

[obtuse gyro]

no. you might be

Parvos was around before the fall of the Orokin, which is why he was able to request Ballas to construct his design. Again, you have not proven that just because you know how to build warframes that means you know about the tenno. Just because you can draw up a blueprint of the weapon doesnt mean you know squat about how it can move around

especially since you had to go to the damn maker of warframes to get it to even work

[gusty pebble]

Bruh

[teal galleon]

also there are a number of guardian warframes, that may or may not have been controlled by Tenno

[gusty pebble]

Ballas was alive long after

He died recently near umbra

[violet cipher]

do warframes works without tenno?

[obtuse gyro]

My guy, nothing in the prime trailer suggests that it was after the fall of the orokin

[violet cipher]

if not then Ig you have to know tennot o make one

[obtuse gyro]

only gen 1 frames and umbra

[gusty pebble]

Nothing suggests it was before the orokin downfall

[obtuse gyro]

surprise surprise, parvos didnt actually make the frame, all he did was he drew up plans for one

[nova harness]

Most don’t but there have been cases

[gusty pebble]

Do u think they would share there peak soldier technology when orokin were in the reigns

[south wigeon]

And Ballas was seething about it

[gusty pebble]

He made the specter

[south wigeon]

My guy you can literally how Ballas is seething inside at working together with Parvos, so yes, they were """sharing"""

[woeful patio]

Well we have infestation warframes, corpus warframes, grineer warframes, and the orokin warframes till now we didnt see a tenno warframe

[obtuse gyro]

because parvos was influential, like incredibly influential. Ballas even expected him

[nova harness]

He stole the particles

[obtuse gyro]

he made plans for protea, this much is explicitly stated in the prime trailer

that said, we go back to the uncontested, "Just because you know how to make frames, doesnt mean you inherently know about the tenno"

[gusty pebble]

Protea was assigned to be the bodyguard of Parvos Granum, the Founder of the Corpus, as part of an undisclosed deal he made with the Orokin. When the Corpus Board of Directors betrayed him by attempting to assassinate him by sabotaging his transport's Void drive, Granum was saved by Protea's time manipulation abilities, trapping him in a temporal prison within the Void

[obtuse gyro]

even if you understood that the frames were being externally piloted, you wouldnt automatically know who was piloting it

[woeful patio]

The trailer felt more like a threat to entrati family idfk why

[gusty pebble]

Yea

Tenno was what they call every warframe eventhough warframes had names

[obtuse gyro]

no, youre not off there, parvos was trashing the orokin in there, he's a real hater

[nova harness]

Because it was

[gusty pebble]

Yea they didnt know sure big guy

[woeful patio]

But he needed the orokin technology

Corpus was rlly advanced yes but not on same level against the orokins

[obtuse gyro]

are... you now insinuating that everyone who called the warframes tenno knew about the kids? are you absolutely sure thats the hill you want to die on?

[obtuse gyro]

correct, but ballas isnt the entrati

[south wigeon]

I like how you can tell Ballas is seething inside in several of the prime trailers.

In Revenant Prime trailer, he is like "how dare this exist without my consent"

In Protea Prime trailer, he is obviously pissed off at having to work with Parvos

In Mirage' trailer, he is definetly crying inside that Mirage twisted his design

[covert tree]

Me watching this go down

[gusty pebble]

Not exactly know them on a personel level but u gotta see the point im tryna make

[obtuse gyro]

imo ballas isnt pissed at parvos, but he's like, veeeeeeeeeeeeery amused

[woeful patio]

I think the next update theres 50% of we beating the living hell of a elder

[gusty pebble]

Even grineer knew dont see y corpus wouldnt

[obtuse gyro]

my guy, your own point is defeated by the fact that alad v called us the tenno and he demonstrably did not know about the kids, or that they were remote piloted

[south wigeon]

idk, he sounds distinctly annoyed to me

[gusty pebble]

How

[teal galleon]

The (ruling) Orokin knew, who else knew depends on who they told

[south wigeon]

Still, he is definetly seething inside in at least the Mirage and Revenant trailers

[gusty pebble]

Like every frames have different design and stuff how is it all called tenno

Vor knew about

Pretty sure everyone does

[woeful patio]

I think captain xeto will have a the" piece of important" after this quest

[nova harness]

Because people think the Warframe is just the Warframe not the kid and Warframe

[obtuse gyro]

hey there champ! you've already shown screen shots of the second dream. Here's another line from the second dream

Alad V: "Found the Reservoir? As unpleasant as our past is, I have to ask, I've seen inside a Tenno and what I found didn't make sense. Does this Reservoir conceal some great deception?"
Does it sound like Alad knows about the kids?

[south wigeon]

I really want something that tells us Xeto escaped

Like even just an offhand nightwave line or something, anything