spoiler-chat

[nova harness]

Random Corpus are the kind of Corpus who make the best sacrifices

[south wigeon]

because our expectation of the Corpus is that they will not let the stalker go, that's why Xeto letting them go is surprising to begin with

Also the scene seems to be a reference to the ceasefire scene from the movie Children of Men

[left mortar]

Wait that makes so much sense

[thick jolt]

Not the first time we see a corpus choose to follow what they feel is right over sheer profit either

[south wigeon]

true

[glass cargo]

this quest dropped my respect for the corpus to 0, with them doing it like that.

[left mortar]

Also how many more “Grrr pregnant warframe weird” comments have there been

[glass cargo]

when did they do that?

[south wigeon]

but it's important to remember, even with this, that Xeto and Tiko are the exceptions, not the rule

[nova harness]

Not that surprising Veso was random look what he did

[south wigeon]

then again, Viko's last words were "for profit" soo

[thick jolt]

Vewo and well the whole of perrin sequence

[lone axle]

Nonono, his name was Venmo.

[nova harness]

Teko

[thick jolt]

Bebo

[south wigeon]

Btw you can tell why they chose Corpus. This would never be happening with the grineer 💀

[left mortar]

Vero

[nova harness]

Meko

[left mortar]

The worm queen would've been like “MAYBE IF I EAT THIS CHILD MY SISTER WILL COME BACK!1!1!1!1!”

[thick jolt]

Probably yeah lol

[nova harness]

She would’ve said let’s use this child for Continuity

[south wigeon]

... if the other queen was still alive, would she want the baby for continuity? (when it grows up, obviously)

[left mortar]

Do you really think she would've waited

[simple python]

And stalker

[thick jolt]

Yknow that's a good question does continuity work on frames?

[nova harness]

Why can Stalker even talk?

[glass cargo]

Ergo Glast from perrin is a board member, still in it for profit. he participated in index and in ambulas development. he is a greedy one like all corpus, 90% would had sold the child.
in the nidus quest you chose what to do with the girl, he has no say in it an agrees with your decision.

[lone axle]

"My sister needs the Orphan Child, not it's infested puppet."

[left mortar]

Probably not considering the grineer have had warframes before and experimented on them

[south wigeon]

not really

[craggy solstice]

He's always been able to, but the question of why is still left in the air. We don't see their operator, but technically we're communicating through our warframe when we talk to npcs? ( Even before second dream. )

[simple python]

I really, deadass, thought it was gon a be about Margulis again. I was slapped across the face with a fish when it came to it.

[south wigeon]

he approves of you letting her choose or encouraging her to keep on doing what she was doing

[thick jolt]

He still worked to help the miconians
And worked with us to undo the ambulas project once its purpose was perverted by frohd

[south wigeon]

if you encourage her to stop, he gives you no reply

[left mortar]

My guess about Stalker is that he wasn't made by Ballas. The warframes can’t talk because he didn't want them to, as a control thing

[simple python]

I didn't even clock it when the tenno got involved.

[thick jolt]

I dont think stalker has an operator

[glass cargo]

send her back and she dies, cure her and they die ...
ambulas still deployed in fortuna, vox solaris, 2nd bounty, last phase.

[left mortar]

Maybe after the fall some other orokin scientists made their own attempt at a warframe without an operator to protect themselves in case the tenno came back?

[simple python]

No, stalker was made during the warframe era

Subsection, Orokin Empire, late age.

[left mortar]

How do we know?

[simple python]

Or no wait.

We gotta take the quest into account now and the reqards from ordis.

[left mortar]

Either way, I don’t think he was made by Ballas. Ballas made a point to make sure none of his warframes could talk, same with Gyra. I don't see him deciding a random low guard not getting that same treatment

[simple python]

If you didn't see, there's a chest decoration that describes Sorren receiving the decoration, during his time in the orokin empire I believe pre-infestation

It's a little medal. Looks cute.

[south wigeon]

his codex

he was literally there when the Tenno began their slaughter

[wicked iron]

He created Ambulas, but that was before his change of heart about being Corpus. He had us participate in the Index just to screw Nef Anyo.

[left mortar]

Does it specify he was already stalker? I haven't read it myself so I'm genuinely asking

[simple python]

It's more than likely

[south wigeon]

ok I misunderstood what you said

but with this quest, it seems likely that he was

[thick jolt]

That diorama with jade protecting stalker from an excalibur makes me think he would have already been helminthed at the very least shortly before the colapse

[simple python]

Oh i thought that diorama was us or a stand-in of us.

I really thought it was some second dream stuff I didn't understand that. Is that still viewable btw?

[thick jolt]

Cause like before the colapse both us(tenno) and stalker would have been on the same side(orokin) so a confrontation like that to me only becomes possible after the naga drums

[nova harness]

Ordis just realised Simaris is in relays

There’s still so much Stalker lore missing

[thick jolt]

Yep

[south wigeon]

It's probably for the best that Simaris doesn't know the baby exists

[south wigeon]

So, business as usual

They even say so themselves. More questions than answers.

[simple python]

Bro he woulda vaporized that baby into the techno-aether if he knee

It's just... so wild that some warframe-affected baby is here now. Fr.

[nova harness]

Stalkers kid scares me

[left mortar]

Guys can I feed the kid the helminth

I wonder what ability it would give

[simple python]

No wait new info - How long was that child gestating for?

[undone lodge]

“Hunter. Are you not going to perform Synthesis on the creature? The data it would provide will be invaluable to The Sanctuary”

[left mortar]

LMAOOO

[simple python]

Human pregnancies are 9 months typically, no idea how long or short Orokin pregnancies are. That's not even talking about how the helminth technocyte plays into it.

[left mortar]

She was also already pregnant before becoming jade

[nova harness]

9 months+

[glass cargo]

okay another "plot question": how can a post-FTL civilization miss the fact that one test subject is pregnant?

[graceful zodiac]

I doubt they did

[nova harness]

They probably just couldn’t cancel it

[flat shadow]

The implication is that they made her a warframe as punishment.

[simple python]

It is very very likely that Jade was put before the executors or punished as a result of Sorren and her being together, as in the flashbacks

[north hamlet]

Okay so how broken would Jade Light-infused Hate be if it was in our hands?

[south wigeon]

post-FTL civilization miss the fact that one test subject is pregnant?
you are assuming they missed it

[wicked iron]

Good ol' Ballas just Ballasin'.

[south wigeon]

You realize we're talking about Ballas right?

he saw that and 100% went "that should be interesting"

If anything he would make any modifications needed to Jade for that to successfully carry over

[rain otter]

I'm going with the common answer of "they didn't miss it" I would even add her being turned into a warframe was probably punishment for having a relationship and baby with Sorren.

[south wigeon]

and we know from just how advanced they are that Jade's pregnancy couldn't have been missed either

[prime lantern]

And the orokin don't actually have the ability to move at speeds faster than light and the ability to cover distance ftl is them cheating

[south wigeon]

well, kinda

they do have FTL, it just requires rails

and interstellar ftl without rails is non-existant, or might aswell be

[rain otter]

Or a finger drives. Like those work.

[prime lantern]

Right and those are cheating

[rain otter]

We just don't have many currently.

[prime lantern]

They arnt physically moving that fast

[rain otter]

Solar rails are seemingly based on finger drives.

[south wigeon]

it's honestly somehow easy to forget that the Orokin were confined to the solar system and never could leave it successfully

[thick jolt]

I think their point is they dont accelerate but rather skip distances

[south wigeon]

I think it's due to just how crazy their tech is tbh.

[rain otter]

They get out of the solar system. Just The old war happened.

[south wigeon]

Most sci-fi, it's like, FTL is so common you can slap it on to most ships, but other tech isn't as crazy as readily accessible FTL

With the Orokin, it's the exact opposite

[south wigeon]

hence the successfully

[glass cargo]

1st warframe to be like this, nowhere in lore mentioned... so i tend to believe that they really missed it.

[south wigeon]

that's not how that works

[prime lantern]

The orokin could put a finger drive on anything

The finger duplicates itself

[south wigeon]

Again, as you yourself said, Orokin tech is too advanced to miss it

[rain otter]

Like in the Mag codex and a few other places they do actually go to Tau to fight rhe Sentients just hunhow destroyed the origin system side of the solar Rail.

[south wigeon]

so they simply didn't. Ballas just saw it and rolled with it.

[tawdry socket]

isn;t that why worm wanted Voruna

[rain otter]

This is literally the only update jade has been in.

[viscid quarry]

No he wanted the operator of Voruna

[glass cargo]

you got a bit of lore for all warframes, prime trailers explain a lot too... but nothing like this, not even a mention of a child-warframe.

[thick jolt]

Mixing worm and tuvul

[viscid quarry]

That too

[rain otter]

Also @glass cargo in the quest it does talk about Jades child and how their relationship is against the law.

[floral tiger]

No, when Ordis goes through the files he mentions that there was almost no data, as if it was redacted, implying that they knew but kept it secret.

[prime lantern]

Alot frames still lack lore

[rain otter]

Like it does MENTION IT.

[south wigeon]

A baby Warframe being a new thing =/= orokin didn't notice Jade is pregnant

that logic doesn't check out

[rain otter]

It mentions it in the QUEST.

[viscid quarry]

Also btw what is the continuity here between Jade encountering stalker, her being transported to stalkers base and the events of jade shadows

[wicked iron]

She and Sorren were talking about they would be punished if the Orokin found out, so I'm pretty sure it was part of the punishment.

[thick jolt]

Not too

The tale about someone going after an operator that turned out to be vorunas involves only tuvul not the worm

[viscid quarry]

I mean that they swapped the names too

[rain otter]

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

[viscid quarry]

Not that the worm was featured too

[viscid quarry]

Like this couldn’t have been that recent or that long ago right?

[rain otter]

Anyway yeah you're wrong Xangineer.

[glass cargo]

i'm talking about orokin experiments, in The Sacrifice ballas talks about taking their finest and infecting them, so we assume that they infected children/pregnant females too?

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, very much

[viscid quarry]

Yes

[thick jolt]

Could very well have been

[viscid quarry]

You expect the orokin to have morals which is your problem there

[south wigeon]

Jade encountering Stalker, like as Warframes, seems to be during the collapse. Stalker seems to have forgotten most of his memories, hence Hunhow calling Jade an "unknown slaughterer", the other way around doesn't seem to be true however.

That then cuts to the events of the quest

[rain otter]

Probably. They literally let the Infestation ravage their outer colonies.

[viscid quarry]

I’m gonna guess after the new war

So semi recent

I’m guessing this via the narmer tech that is present in the console and the idea that this lair of his is rather recent in events

[rain otter]

Eh it's in Uranus.

[thick jolt]

He also adds "volunteers or not"

[south wigeon]

We know Jade and Stalker were turned wayyy back when the Orokin were still around though

[tawdry socket]

the only dead prime warframe's head he had was equinox

[glass cargo]

puting the infant in infantry.

[rain otter]

Also the testing of helminth happened even before that but releasing infestation on random places.

Like Helminth is a result of seemingly years and years of testing and cultivating infestation.

[viscid quarry]

Fair but still you’d assume narmer would have been much more present if they found the stalkers lair

[graceful zodiac]

They didn't, Ballas just took advantage of old ruins

[viscid quarry]

Let alone stalker being able to move anywhere

[rain otter]

No.

Let me get the Qoute I know it.

[viscid quarry]

So likely he took it during the events of the new war and exterminating the narmer garrison stationed where he and hunhow are but that’s a stretch

[viscid quarry]

They definitely did

He said so in the vitruvian

[simple python]

Ooh I got the bow

[simple python]

OOOH THE BOW I wanna so make the bow. I love bows in this game sometimes.

[thick jolt]

@rain otter

[viscid quarry]

Which bow

[simple python]

I wanna hear it. It's gotta have some kinda instrumental sfx right? Evensong

[viscid quarry]

Ah

[rain otter]

Yeah.

This.

[thick jolt]

"Horrors past" sounds like they were just previously infested

[rain otter]

Fair.

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, that doesn't say they let it run rampant

[rain otter]

I can always be wrong it's happened before it will happen again.

Lmao.

[thick jolt]

I know the feeling

[simple python]

12 hours until I counter the eximi...
12 hours remain

[rain otter]

I always would rather know and check myself instead of just saying it lmao.

[tawdry socket]

why are you in a spoiler channel if you haven't played the update yet

[simple python]

I want to test the effects that these weapons that Jade has act and work, maybe not particularly because it could likely be bugged, but cmon. It's a new bow.

[viscid quarry]

Please do the quest first

Come back when your done and we can provide answers

[thick jolt]

Yknow just thought of something i wish i could test right now

Would the evensong's ability to cancel enemy damage affect eximus abilities like say jade light?

[simple python]

I'm already finished the quest, I do not have the pack what - do you think I don't do quests here?

[wicked iron]

QUESTS? Who DOES those?

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gross-disgust-gif-13789077

[nova harness]

GrayArchon so he can do his write ups

[simple python]

It's what I want to test. Hopefully youtubers are getting on it to test it out too. I think a potential balance they might've worked into it is that either per each shot, so it'll refresh on new hit, is that enemies either are nullified dmg completely, a -100% buff for squad, at least mitigating one eximi. Or... it's a minimum -50%.

[valid jolt]

Lol

[simple python]

It's what I'm hoping for personally, cause it sounds like it's meant to do that. While Cantare is meant for dragging the nets of blades through a crowd for maximum impact. Etc.

[thick jolt]

I am extremely confused with the current red text....
Hasnt shield 50%dr been in game for warframes since a while back?

[simple python]

You remember units popping shield instantly?

[real pecan]

So does the new Stalker drop Jades weapons?

[simple python]

No. It drops like any other event warframe: in the tie-in mode

Not the operation rn though. Just regular ascension.

[real pecan]

oh so you cant get any of her stuff through the operation?

[simple python]

It's bugged rn

To maximize your drop and pity chances, you can do just regular acension.

[thick jolt]

<@&778745217037238293> seems those pay to get carried weirdos are back in the server
#pc-discussion message

[thick jolt]

Ah someone got them already

[wicked iron]

Looks like one of the others got it before I hit the link, but thank you! 😄

[ancient geode]

w

[nova harness]

Minion keep the nuke on standby still

[viscid quarry]

Certainly not me (joke)

[flat shadow]

Thank you!

[viscid quarry]

Forget that

We need some void magic

[ancient geode]

yup

[viscid quarry]

Preferably the kind that removes it from existence

[wicked iron]

I always do...

[viscid quarry]

Respectable

[simple python]

I hope they release that Jade Song somewhere. It's so wistful. Need it in the orbiter

[south wigeon]

How does one go about raising a baby Warframe?

What food does a baby Warframe require, if any?

[paper flame]

does it even need to be maintained by the helminth?? (well, probably not)

[south wigeon]

how fast does it grow?

[paper flame]

oh yeah, does it even grow?

[nova harness]

Helminth milk

[south wigeon]

I mean I doubt it stays a baby, definetly should grow, but how fast?

[nova harness]

The game literally tells you what a baby Warframe needs

[paper flame]

Jade's been pregnant for thousands(?) of years and she gave birth now, the baby's probably going to grow slowly

[south wigeon]

If Stalker counts as Hunhow's adopted son, and that makes him Orion's grandpa, and since Hunhow is our grandpa aswell, is Orion our cousin?

[nova harness]

Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me

Helminth tells you what Warframes need

Especially baby ones

[south wigeon]

tbh these are probably only a few of the questions regarding a baby Warframe

[junior vine]

Is it bad I think Wally as a father. I mean he's come and "checked" on us multiple times before and he saved us

[south wigeon]

just the most obvious and what comes to mind first

[junior vine]

Babyframe'a grandpa

[spice sparrow]

Mfw I bought the pack before playing the quest

[viscid quarry]

Problem is that stalker has access to NO helminth milk

[nova harness]

For his own selfish desire

[spice sparrow]

Even fashioned her up before

[nova harness]

Skill issue

[spice sparrow]

I was really lucky the game didn't show me her belly lmao

[paper flame]

Eh, stalker can just go to Eris and murder more juggernuts

and extract whatever he needs

[viscid quarry]

My sneaking suspicion is that ordis is just too skilled at detection (he’s actually comically easy)

[nova harness]

Ordis saw me and I still managed to get in

[viscid quarry]

That actually is how i failed my second attempt

Third time was the charm though

[nova harness]

I failed my first

[viscid quarry]

Failed the second?

[nova harness]

Almost

I was too quick the second

[viscid quarry]

Ah you got lucky where I failed

[prime raptor]

||Is jade's baby glowing green because it's the future green banshee? ||

[nova harness]

Jade Banshee skin

[spice sparrow]

I did it first try

At least once I figured out how to get to the Focus room

[nova harness]

You need Ordis to open it

That’s why I failed the first time

[spice sparrow]

Yeah I know

Took me a few tries to get the timing right

But Ordis never saw me

[valid jolt]

What happens if Ordis catches you?

Does the screen fade to black and you start over or something

[nova harness]

You just respawn at the nav console

[valid jolt]

Oh ok

[mellow mesa]

I almost cried at the end of the quest, that is all.

[undone lodge]

New Weekly Mission: Help Clem deliver a batch of freshly harvested Helminth Milk to The Stalker’s apartment while fighting off Corpus who want to take it for themselves

(The Board want to try some)

[empty mortar]

As you should

[simple python]

Okay wow. I saw a recap of that scene where Stalker names the babyframe

And that baby is 100% a frame thing. It had glowing green lights

[low badger]

Greedy Milk meme returns in full force

[simple python]

This is 100% spoilers. Tis the baby frame. Unsure what is over the face. Maybe some kinda mesh?

[low badger]

During the mission there's a sort of veil over Jr.'s face

[simple python]

Ah gotcha

[undone lodge]

I wonder if it’s a weird part of the warframe?

[low badger]

Either that or it's Swaddling

[simple python]

The veil? Possibly.

[undone lodge]

It doesn’t match up with the rest of their swaddling after all

[south wigeon]

it might just be how it looks

[simple python]

It actually looks like some kinda lace that is... horribly seen up-close due to game compression to youtube.

I put it on 1080p btw.

[south wigeon]

it's a biomachine after all, if we wanna get technical

tho yes the lace seems to be part of the clothes

[simple python]

I think it might be some kinda mesh swaddling.

But the head looks sorta like Jade's sorta Aureolon helmet

Although, maybe that's a mistake on my part. It's a whole pan-around stalker during this scene. And there's two distinct green lights.

[south wigeon]

I am dying to know what the grown up Orion looks like

[simple python]

Inb4 its genji

To be fair the lights in a v-shape on the face and the more greyish metallic color...

[knotty mauve]

Hey can we get all the weapon bps from the ascension mission? or just some (didnt know if this counts as spoiler)

[simple python]

They are supposed to drop from both instances of Ascension, but it might be bugged on the event

I've gotten two evensongs on the regular one though

[knotty mauve]

ok, i just got harmony

itd be cool if we got the stalker bps as well

ive never got despair and ive been playing for 2 years lol

[rain otter]

Wait really?

Lmao.

[simple python]

Oh it drops all the time

If its tradeable i would give you... despair's the secondary right?

[woeful patio]

seeing ordis being harsh with his self bc of jade death is kinda...

we hugged a goddamn bird why we cant hug ordis

[lusty basin]

Really, they are certainly planning to do something more with the baby through some kind of timey wimey stuff

[lusty basin]

Yeah!

He's been there longer too

[woeful patio]

parvos is just ruinning his brain too callin him ordan visibly makes ordis uncomfortable

[lusty basin]

The sad part is, though, some of what Parvos says isn't entirely untrue, but is used in a manipulative way

[woeful patio]

he is trying to manipulate ordis to his side

wich it hurts alot since ordis is not ironically forced to respect parvos

he didnt breakdown yet bc of ordan side

on his shop you can see him... rlly rlly tired

[viscid quarry]

Or ingested trying to steal their milk back

[woeful patio]

why we was able to hug a bunch of animals but we cant hug our partner

[lusty basin]

Someday we need to resolve Ordis

[woeful patio]

i want to hug him

i want to hug stalker... ik he will try to kill me but we are tenno right 😄

they rlly rlly need it now

[tawdry socket]

Ordis likes himself the way he is from what I'm aware

[woeful patio]

he preffer being ordis than the orokins monster

[lusty basin]

I don't think Stalker is all that murdery anymore after everything, but maybe a bit soon to hug him 🤣

[woeful patio]

i could try !...

maybe.

[lusty basin]

Start with a handshake, dude is on a path towards enlightenment and fatherhood

[gray coral]

ordis seems to be half aware of his pass life or is completely trying to shut out the truth of his past.

[woeful patio]

he is single right?

[lusty basin]

Too soon!

Augh

[woeful patio]

HIS CHILD NEED A STEPMOM

[gray coral]

lol slow down tiger

[woeful patio]

i have good profit.

[lusty basin]

His wife just died, sheesh! D=

[woeful patio]

ehem.... less challenge .

[keen tundra]

Ballas really decided to just snag that couple and shove some infestation in em huh

[woeful patio]

look... if you look closely how he talks about khora, and saryn.,.. i think he rlly liked...female warframes.

[ionic sleet]

Let's keep it tidy, my dudes.

[woeful patio]

oh dangit-

the gods has awake-

uuuh we talking about....

stuff.

[lusty basin]

Honestly, this event, even though it is in relation to his lost wife, it still shows Stalker in current canon has changed

[keen tundra]

That's true! He's not a murder hobo anymore

[woeful patio]

i saw myteamates killing stalker...

and all i could doo is watch...

[keen tundra]

Now he's a murder dad

[woeful patio]

i feel... dead inside

https://tenor.com/view/fmab-sad-gif-22560402

[keen tundra]

I've always imagined that the stalker 'dying' is actually him just smoke screening away bc he started losing way too hard

Or alternatively, Hunhow said 'GET BACK HERE YOU'RE LOSING'

[woeful patio]

now we know he always end up leaving extremely wounded bc he actually feel pain

[lusty basin]

I love how both Stalker and Hunhow have grown significantly

[keen tundra]

The fact that stalker actually gets hurt makes the fact that he does kill tenno so much more impressive

[woeful patio]

hunhow become a better sentient and stalker become a single(temporarily) father

[undone lodge]

Actually I heard he’s started talking with that Yareli Hunhow saved…

[keen tundra]

Hunhow just became Underwater grandpa

[woeful patio]

ordis... bring my zarr.

[lusty basin]

Hunhow before: Kill them my Shadow, crush their rotten skulls!
Hunhow now: Let go of your hate, my Shadow, befriend the Tenno, they'll help you

Dude has 180'd

[south wigeon]

See the funky part is that the PC Tenno knows what (Warframe) pregnancy pains feel like now

[woeful patio]

hunhow become a good person...its impressive.

[lusty basin]

Hunhow has become really compassionate

[keen tundra]

After the drifter/tenno help him save natah/lotus from ballas he kinda just
'i suck, but I'm not ballas'

[woeful patio]

our tenno experienced pregnancy for free

[knotty mauve]

yes the throwing knives :(((( ive gotten so many hate blueprints and dreads but never the knives

[ionic sleet]

I'm not sure the Warframe's physical pain is directly passed to the tenno. We'd be messed up if it were.

[woeful patio]

interesting de... interesting.

the true question is... now we have a natural biological sentient warframe

[rain otter]

We only have it cus she was pregnant before and she had to kill herself to make the child real.

[woeful patio]

will he grow up like a normal being or just on the movies " robots" that will be like seeing stalker walking around buying new arts for his son

[rain otter]

So no whatever it is your thinking.

[rain otter]

Lmao the child is very much not normal so anything can happen.

[nova harness]

We need more Stalker lore

We better get more eventually

[rain otter]

Okay but this was on brand. It's a quest that is mysterious and sad.

[woeful patio]

nah the "trailer " is enough to make a man cry.

[rain otter]

Like that's just the Stalker so it would be his quest.

[keen tundra]

Did y'all pick Sirius or Orion?

[nova harness]

Green

[spice sparrow]

Sirius

[nova harness]

I think most people picked Sirius

[woeful patio]

I think we all can agree that parvos is the new home ahole of the origin system

[keen tundra]

It's the Boomers of the origin system

[nova harness]

He’s been that since he was introduced

[keen tundra]

Ballas, parvos, hunhow

[knotty mauve]

every time parvos talks to ordis and brings up his past its so sad

[woeful patio]

Hunhow become the retired grandpa, he is now nice

Ballas... Didnt suffered enough.

[keen tundra]

You're so right

Ballas deserves to be shoved into Kullervo's jail and shanked for infinity

[south wigeon]

we feel what the frames feel no?

[woeful patio]

Nah i know a pain even worse.

[knotty mauve]

hunhow also gave out the nataruk which goes crazy hard so is he really t h a t bad

[nova harness]

Stalker was definitely jealous about that

[woeful patio]

Know what shove ballas on darvos shop with ordis letting them have the worst of worst jokes possible, forcing ballas hear every single one.

[nova harness]

We can’t do that he’s too ugly

[woeful patio]

Who?

[south wigeon]

Like in Sacrifice, our operator straight up says they couldn't breathe after a section of Umbra's memories. We straight up feel what they feel.

[nova harness]

Blue man with no spine

[woeful patio]

I-...

[keen tundra]

So have y'all thought about how maybe Stalker was probably intended to be a mass produced cheap frame?

[woeful patio]

Ballas deserve worse.

HE IS WAY TOO LUCKY FOR HAVING THE SCRIPT PLOT ON HIS SIDE.

[knotty mauve]

mayb thats why the acolytes exist, the shien copies

[woeful patio]

His funny shield protected him against alot of slashes

[woeful patio]

Acolytes now babysitters?

[spice sparrow]

Probably not

They still attack even when Jade is in the party

So they're unrelated to Stalker

Who does leave when Jade is in the squad

(And actually drops something too)

[woeful patio]

I mean.... Acolytes didnt date stalkers woman soo

[keen tundra]

I feel like we need more info on the Acolytes
With Jade shadows in mind they might be more of these low guardians, kinda mass produced like I previously mentioned

I mean they effectively have knockoff Warframe abilities, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say they were either mass produced or the experiments

[simple python]

Hate to ask, but the enemy spawns once the objective passes the intersection at the surface lag out the game a lot. Could we have... extended the spawn doors away from the track to prevent the lag?

In acension, btw.

[woeful patio]

Jade lore just increase the theory of having warframes withiout operator

[simple python]

The little moa lads freaking out on the elevator are cute tho

[keen tundra]

I love when the enemies sit on the elevator like 🧍

[lusty basin]

Resigned to their fates

[south wigeon]

I mean that's not a theory

we know for a fact that Kullervo, Dante and Dagath didn't have operators and ran around on their own doing their own thing, the latter only after it was messed up real good by having her face blown off.

We know from what Ballas says in Sacrifice that Warframes first turned on them only AFTER being deployed into the battlefield, and we know that was before the Tenno were in play.

[keen tundra]

I fully think they only became 'mindless' when they were orokin guinea pigs

[spice sparrow]

That’s not a theory, those already exist

See: Umbra, Qorvex, Kullervo, Dante, Dagath, Jade (previously) and Stalker

[simple python]

Awh yea, Jade systems

[timber fiber]

So… how on earth did the jade shadows happen?

[south wigeon]

wdym by that

[timber fiber]

Warframe ||pregnancy ||

[south wigeon]

you don't need to spoiler anything here, and Jade was pregnant before being turned into a frame

[timber fiber]

For over a thousand years?

[south wigeon]

yes?

Why is the timeframe of all things surprising here (sorry if this came off rude)

[thin sinew]

Pregnancy rhythm game

[empty mortar]

I hope stalker is fine out there by himself raising his child

[rain otter]

Why do y'all keep posting this gif?

[thin sinew]

We gonna miss him

[empty mortar]

Gif?

That's a video lol

[rain otter]

Video sorry.

[empty mortar]

But yeh
It's like
Imagine stalker as the Metroman statue

[lusty basin]

Stalker is gonna be back

I have a feeling this will have future importance

We don't know how the child will develop either

[empty mortar]

Imagine if the new born will turn out to be a solution to rebuilding the orokin or tenno

[south wigeon]

This is absolutely something they will circle back to

the only question is when

[thin sinew]

Next year on fathers day

[empty mortar]

Tbh
If we ever get a story quest that goes into the past about this "orokin massacre"
I wanna see what happens to sorren and jade

[lusty basin]

I see the child as more a bridging point to new beginnings, as the weight of the old is cast off. Not just for Stalker, but Hunhow, us, and so on

[empty mortar]

I wonder what hunhow will do in the meantime

[south wigeon]

the child is something they can tie to the void storyline

[empty mortar]

Do you think hunhow and natah meet sometimes?

[lusty basin]

I would hope so

[empty mortar]

As to try rebuild the father daughter relationship

[lusty basin]

I think they need to. I think Hunhow is ready for that

[empty mortar]

Now my questions rise again
Y'all think stalker was taking care of jade during the new war?

How long is warframe/orokin pregnancy

[lusty basin]

In fact, he yearns for it really.

Hm, I wonder

We didn't really explore his lair before

[empty mortar]

We know his lair is most likely on earth

Due to the water when we exit

And clouds in the sky

[thick jolt]

Have you not played the new gamemode?

The node is in uranus and we start in stalkers lair

[lusty basin]

Yeah, the lair is in the underwater labs

On Uranus

[empty mortar]

Ohhh
Didn't notice that lol

[thick jolt]

It may be a bit rare but on any uranus node we can also either start or finish missions above sea level

[lusty basin]

Uranus has undergone some terraforming

[empty mortar]

Tbh I want more stalker cosmetics
We got his sentient armour
His weapons
His ship
But we've always been asking for 1 thing
Where helmet?

[thick jolt]

Maybe one day lol

It might receive higher priority if this events stalker mode is well liked enough by players

[empty mortar]

Tbh
We won't ever get stalker as a frame cuz his stats are so broken lol

Nearly 5k hp
Almost 800 energy
Mr 30

[thick jolt]

Doesnt need to be as a frame in our arsenal

We have the stalker mode as an example of how it can work

Its interesting the idea of you can get rewards but if you get downed you are out

[lusty basin]

How are those stats broken? He's premodded

Umbral mods and such

[warm robin]

surprised he isn't just a equipment wheel item. you craft sos signals and he comes to help, you take over for gameplay reasons but lore reasons he owes us and we call upon his help the same as our enemies would almost.

[tough jasper]

Did everyone enjoy the mother’s day-father’s day quest combo as much as I did?

[warm robin]

also what was with the forced kiddo? I was so thrown off seeing him show up and not my chosen drifter.

[tough jasper]

But at least we got to see a warframe pregnancy. Apparently they take forever.

[lusty basin]

The only thing that I raise a brow at with Stalker is I wonder if the 300% crit chance while invisible is busted or not

Otherwise he seems pretty on par with other frames in similar class

[tough jasper]

It didn’t seem that busted. Not too big a change for me at least.

[thick jolt]

Maybe didnt manage to book the VAs in time

[nova harness]

Real pregnancies take forever

[tough jasper]

But not centuries.

[nova harness]

There’s nothing implying it’s centuries

It could’ve been 9 months

[tough jasper]

I guess

[nova harness]

It is set post New War not in Old War to modern day

[tough jasper]

Umbra’s still got a face so I guess Jade and Stalker still have their bits and bobs?

[nova harness]

Yeah

Most likely

[ionic sleet]

Please keep it tidy, my dudes.

[lusty basin]

I still think the implication was that she was on her way to motherhood prior to helminthing

[gilded valley]

Aside from the laws of the Orokin that's been set up on Pre-Stalker and Pre-Jade, probably Ballas knew that they'd try to conceive a child

He probably on to them because of something he won't have

[lusty basin]

Ballas is awful however you cut it

[gilded valley]

He is

But how, even before margulis is executed and way before the implementation of Warframes and whatnot

How did he come to be that

[lusty basin]

Ballas was far from the only awful Orokin

It's kind of the culture

[gilded valley]

Kinda have mixed opinions of Albrecht though

But then again, he used rare animals as fodder

[lusty basin]

Outliers exist, but mostly after having time to think back on their sins

Or having an epiphany on the nature of their culture

Still human, after all

But being detached from mortal pain does things to ones psychology

Hence thinking themselves as gods

Humbling helps, but Ballas could not move past his desire for godhood

[gilded valley]

Thus, if you end up being too greedy, you end up with nothing

[lusty basin]

Yup

[wicked iron]

I like the Entrati family, minus Albrecht at present.

As you rank up with them and such.

[lusty basin]

Entrati family are the exception as they've had a long time to reflect and consider what is of true value

They are dealing with a lot

[gilded valley]

Cough cough, Gomaitru/Euleria Entrati cuts up Vilcor with glass

[wicked iron]

Cut*, in the past lol

[gilded valley]

Still had him being stabbed and slashed by her

[wicked iron]

Less than ideal, but they all still learn and grow as you rank up with them and get past their worst parts. I like that.

[gilded valley]

We still don't know Grandmother's true name

[near rune]

She doesn't have a name anymore. We know what her name used to be.

[gilded valley]

Dagath? Xaku?

[near rune]

Dagath

[gilded valley]

Ooh

[near rune]

"the mirror that accuses"

She gave her name to the warframe, so she doesn't have one anymore.

[gilded valley]

Well, that's something you don't expect

Guess she doesn't like being named Dagath

[near rune]

Yeah I really don't know what that means about how names work in Warframe, but Grandmother's stories are kinda weird anyway.

[gilded valley]

Her stories and such kinda reminds me of Yoda

Weird

[near rune]

You should read the story. She didn't exactly give the name willingly. https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-grandmother-dagath

[gilded valley]

And felt like being trolled

[gilded valley]

Oh, you're the one that created and archived the lore stuff

[near rune]

Yep

[gilded valley]

Cool

[near rune]

B)

[wicked iron]

She liked having it, but it was her offer to Dagath for Dagath to spare her life on Naberus night.

[gilded valley]

I'll call her Dagath A

And the Warframe, Dagath B

[wicked iron]

[gilded valley]

Or maybe Dagath O and Dagath W

[lusty basin]

Btw, anyone catch the implication that Stalker could have, at any point snuck aboard the orbiter and killed the Tenno?

[viscid quarry]

Dagath 0 as that’s the shape of her head

[wicked iron]

Maybe not at any point, but it was interesting that he could get back on like that.

[gilded valley]

I don't think stalker can really kill the tenno

Right?

[lusty basin]

I don't think he wants to

He was hesitant before

More satisfied to hunt warframes

[wicked iron]

I don't think he can, either. Ballas couldn't, hence throwing us in a time loop in the Void after impaling us.

[balmy storm]

You can’t kill the devil
But you can send it back to hell

[lusty basin]

It is stated multiple times that he hates warframes specifically

[valid jolt]

Actually we would’ve been dead if Ballas didn’t throw us into the portal lol

[wicked iron]

We wouldn't have been. That's why he threw us in it.

[lusty basin]

Considering it was the punishment Stalker and Jade received, it does give context to his rage

[balmy storm]

Why throw us in if he just stabbed us?
He he can’t kill us so he’s sending us away

[valid jolt]

Nono Ballas just likes to use fancy words. We actually would have died if he didn’t throw us into the portal

[balmy storm]

We do not know that at all

Nothing suggests that

[valid jolt]

Maybe he thought it was more fitting for us to go into the Void

[wicked iron]

I think Deadpan is just joking around or trolling.

[lusty basin]

"You're grounded, go to your room!"

But yeah

[balmy storm]

But nothing suggests we would have died anyway, the only known tenno death is by incredibly old age

[lusty basin]

Transference loop degradation over a long period of time

Yeah

[valid jolt]

Well then if we are immortal, maybe he would’ve captured us and thrown us into a prison

[balmy storm]

No physical damage is known to kill the Tenno

[valid jolt]

No I’m serious

[viscid quarry]

and of course ordis purge mode I’d assume is adequate enough

[balmy storm]

That’s what he was doing by sending us into the void

Like literally thats what he was doing, it worked too

Without the drifter we would have never escaped

[wicked iron]

Ballas does use fancy words, but always to convey something. "You cannot kill the devil," is a clear reference to us, since he refers to the Tenno as devils.

[balmy storm]

Y’know
I wonder if thats why helminth calls us devils

[valid jolt]

So then if he didn’t cut off Lotus’s hand, we would be doomed?

[wicked iron]

Helminth calls us the demon, but close enough in reference.

[balmy storm]

Yeah, he couldn’t have accounted for the Drifter though

[valid jolt]

I’m still sure we would’ve died if he didn’t throw us in. Like our Tenno was ragdolling and glitching as they were going into the portal. If they were actually immortal, they would’ve just tanked the stab

[balmy storm]

Immortality =/= pain immunity.
And again, there is no case of a tenno dying, not by blades or fatal physical damage anyway

[valid jolt]

What would happen if our Tenno didn’t get sucked into the portal, but was just bleeding a lot from the stab wound. Would they not die from bleeding out?

[balmy storm]

No, they would recover

We are void constructs
We have zero idea what can even kill a void construct like us

[wicked iron]

We're not Void constructs, but our power definitely lets us transcend physical laws in a number of ways.

[formal saddle]

The jade quest was fun and sad at the same time

[wicked iron]

Yeah, I agree.

[balmy storm]

"It's funny how we're both Void constructs, sort of. Difference being that I'm dead [laughs, sighs]. Not your fault." -Yonta

[wicked iron]

That's the only reference to such, though. We have seen how characters can be wrong about things, as well.

And she does say "sort of," anyway.

[balmy storm]

Sort of in reference to her being dead and the tenno aren’t dead

And while it’s possible she’s wrong she’s one of the only void experts around lol

[lusty basin]

The only canonical Tenno death was through degradation from a transference loop over a very long period of time

[wicked iron]

The sort of is in reference to them both being void constructs, since it is in that sentence and after that statement.

[lusty basin]

Afaik

[wicked iron]

I think Rell is the only confirmed death we have of a Tenno, too. I don't know for certain, though.

[balmy storm]

Yup, Rell

Rell is the only known tenno death

[lusty basin]

Yeah, as far as I know, that seems to be it, and an extreme case at that

[balmy storm]

Mhm

[lusty basin]

Could even say it was that Wally allowed him to die

As it took away a restraint

[valid jolt]

What about Duviri citizens. Do they count as Void contructs?

[lusty basin]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Yes, they are also different though

There’s whatever the tenno are and conceptually embodied beings iirc

Conceptually embodied beings is all of duviri and the holdfasts

[valid jolt]

So Wallys deal is what makes the Tenno immortal?

[balmy storm]

Likely yes

[south wigeon]

Just to make sure, Stalker did lose at least some of his memories, right?

Cuz why would Hunhow refer to Jade as an "unknown slaughterer" otherwise.

"Her light is dying, Her life almost spent. And you will never learn why this unknown slaughterer chose to spare you."

the way I read it, Stalker lost a good bunch of his memories and only remembered who Jade was during the events of the quest

[balmy storm]

Thats what happened yes

[south wigeon]

yeah figured, but wanted to make sure

[nocturne kiln]

I dont think Hunhow knew who Jade was at the time

[south wigeon]

Hunhow says it in a way that suggests Stalker doesn't know who she is either

[valid jolt]

Ig that could make sense, but I’m still sticking with that they aren’t immortal. Unless it’s explained in the future or if something happens in the future that proves they’re immortal.
Rell dying of old age and our Tennos lifeless look as they were going into the Void portal still makes me think that Tenno aren’t really immortal

[nocturne kiln]

right... but I am also saying I dont think hunhow knew

[south wigeon]

I mean sure

[balmy storm]

Wouldn’t the Tenno have died in the void?
Nothing explains the void revived them when they fell in, just that they became apart of the paradox

[nocturne kiln]

think aging slowly. Rell died more from the strain of resisting the man in the wall than old age.

[valid jolt]

Well Wally was with the Tenno as they were trapped in a time loop. So it makes sense to me that he probably had something to do with their survival, or maybe the Void healed them itself

[balmy storm]

I mean maybe, but that’s an assumption that he’d help at all, I could maybe see the void healing them but the tenno have constant access to it as is, they’re constructs of the stuff and powerful ones too

[valid plaza]

He did mention the tenno "owing" him tho, so I think he did help

[balmy storm]

When does he say that?

[lusty basin]

"helped" by putting them in that situation to begin with

[valid plaza]

He mentions it in the quest that has to do with the ten zero

Lemme see if I can find the quote on the wiki

[balmy storm]

During angels or new war?

[valid plaza]

Im not too sure. Looks like he also said it during the war within. It's like the first quote listed on the wiki

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Wall/Quotes

[balmy storm]

That’s from the war within, which is before the new war

And the debt we owe him for is for our deal of him saving them, all of them

[valid plaza]

Yeah, I don't see many of the quotes for the zariman quests tho. I might be misremembering, but I thought I remembered him saying it again on a different quest

[balmy storm]

I’ll keep looking but I havent found anything else yet

[valid plaza]

I found another instance of him sayin it. It's mentioned in tablets found in duviri. This page has it listed in the corrupted tablets. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Wall

[balmy storm]

In Duviri there’s a tablet that says “you owe me” but that’s likely in reference to our deal since Duviri can happen at any time

Lol found it at the same time

[valid plaza]

lol, same time

[lone axle]

"I saved them. All of them. I never said I'd save you." -That's on a tablet too

[valid plaza]

Man in the wall stuff gets confusing

[balmy storm]

Yeah nowhere else does Wally say we owe us other than our first in-game encounter and the Duviri tablet

[lone axle]

somewhere in WITW they mention the deal
very big plot point in it

[lusty basin]

It can get confusing, but he does literally set the situation up so the Tenno would be forced to take the deal

[balmy storm]

Yeahh

[lone axle]

also yes eldritch god created by a man looking into the abyss too long i dont think its ever gonna be not confusing

[valid jolt]

There is that one throwaway line by Teshin that talks about Oro, but it hasn’t been explained anywhere else

[balmy storm]

That’d still make us immortal

[graceful zodiac]

Oro has been mentioned again, but as a quality anything could have, even the Cavia

Not immortality but sense of consciousness

[valid jolt]

Yea

[lusty basin]

People want to say Wally is neutral chaos, but he really... isn't.

[balmy storm]

Oro + void construct = immortality?

[prime lantern]

It's likely just needing a metaphysical death to kill us

[balmy storm]

I mean
Seperate the oro and you become immortal

[prime lantern]

We can withstand most forms of physical death

[graceful zodiac]

Ehhh

[balmy storm]

We don’t die from normal means

For example
Stabbings

[prime lantern]

But target what's not quite there the thing that makes us truly us now that's harder to come back from

[graceful zodiac]

It takes extreme regular means to kill a Tenno

Things on the level of complete frame destruction

[valid jolt]

Would the Jade Light be able to kill a Tenno?

[graceful zodiac]

Likely

[balmy storm]

Dk we have any examples of that?
Other than tenno going braindead from the pain

[prime lantern]

Maybe

[prime lantern]

Gara and mirage potentially

[balmy storm]

Totally something we can test now

[prime lantern]

Lotus mourning a suit of armor would be rather odd

[valid jolt]

Lol

[balmy storm]

So going braindead from the pain

[graceful zodiac]

Gara, Mirage, Inaros, Limbo

[lone axle]

the mc tenno got banned from the origin system for a bit and the drifter took down a mod for them to come back

we've never seen any of the lua pods have... uh. you know, dead teenagers inside

[balmy storm]

Big pain = braindeath

[graceful zodiac]

Though, of course, it's only most likely they had Operators

[balmy storm]

So our greatest weapons are our greatest weakness
Yippee

[valid jolt]

So the Tenno are just hard to kill? Is that what you’re saying?

[woeful patio]

Self destruction?

[graceful zodiac]

They're very hard to kill permanently, yes

[balmy storm]

We know other tenno exist

[graceful zodiac]

Between revives and transference recall

[lone axle]

yeah
obviously not on the scale of the playerbase but enough to warrant ordis saying "a lot of tenno"

[balmy storm]

At least 6

[valid jolt]

Would a Tenno die from bleeding out orr?

[graceful zodiac]

Unlikely

[balmy storm]

Doubt it

[lusty basin]

As it seems to being set up as, Jade Light just seems to be turning out as a powerful beam of energy that vaporizes things, less likely to do the job, but screw the universe over and the livelihoods of many and tilt the delicate power balance

[woeful patio]

Tennos are immortal, void dont let us die soo

Even hunhow mock us about it

[lone axle]

Continuity would probably kill a tenno's consciousness if they didnt resist it hard enough though

[graceful zodiac]

Not immortal, just very hard to keep down

[balmy storm]

a stabbing would not kill us lol

[graceful zodiac]

Like, we explicitly would still be affected by old age

[balmy storm]

Thank void for cryosleep

[woeful patio]

Void dont let us down, the stab on chest killed us, but on void we just "awake" again

[lusty basin]

Void is like anti-time though

[graceful zodiac]

At best, it's specifically the player Tenno that might have immortality

[lusty basin]

It is weirdly... Nonlinear

[graceful zodiac]

But definitely not all Tenno

[graceful zodiac]

Eh, yes and no

[balmy storm]

We conceptually embodied plot armor 😶

[valid jolt]

Interesting

[lone axle]

wally put us in the Forever Life and now they have to deal with that

[valid jolt]

Lol basically

[woeful patio]

Sevagoth was on void bc even time works different there, the same thing happens with us

[balmy storm]

What?
He was just lost in the void, time has nothing to do with him?

[woeful patio]

Yeah he was lost on void and shadow was seeking for him like crazy, for ages, whem we get him even cy say his energy is almost inexistent

[balmy storm]

Yes, ages
Because time passed

[woeful patio]

Yet he still with energy enough

I need his flow mod.

[valid jolt]

Wasn’t his Shadow following a protocol? I forgot most of what happened

[lone axle]

yes
"rescue my dead body"

[balmy storm]

^

[woeful patio]

Nah, shadow was just trying to find his "captain"

[valid jolt]

Gotcha

[balmy storm]

Gameplay does not always equal lore
Overshields don’t exist in-universe but do in-game

[valid jolt]

Imagine if shield gate existed in lore

[woeful patio]

It was a joke but ok

[lusty basin]

Corpus business meet explaining it

With charts

[woeful patio]

Parvos or veso would squeese us to their labs and try to find out how we do that

[lone axle]

Grendel Prime destroying the business meet in order to preserve continuity

[prime lantern]

Yes

[valid jolt]

Parvos probably hates us from messing up his plans

[valid jolt]

I see

[woeful patio]

But he is smart enough to know we are rlly powerfull and out technology could be interesting for him

[prime lantern]

I mean the actual definition of immortality gets strayed from quite alot in some fictions so I think using the word immortal is still fine

Were incredibly hard to kill via physical means

[lusty basin]

Anyone think on the statement that Parvos has spoken Void Tongue from the Dante lore?

[woeful patio]

Bro had a time manipulator frame on his side ofc he wouldnt let us slide

[lone axle]

parvos is an orokin next question

[woeful patio]

Kinda orokin but nooot orokin

Like how hunhow called veso as orokin

[lone axle]

i know
makin a joke since he's the closest thing we have to an old one

also why are you talking about veso. thats alad v

[woeful patio]

Oh yeah sorry... I misspelled.

Veso worth more as orokin than alad.

[balmy storm]

rip vebo 😔

[graceful zodiac]

It's very questionable and suggests Wally can make interactions without appearing

[balmy storm]

Alad is more of an Orokin than Veso was
Alad sucks

[woeful patio]

....rip vebo-r...

[lone axle]

rest in peace bibo
good friends of bipp bopp

[cinder steppe]

Nah Velko was worth more than any Orokin

[balmy storm]

I’ll miss venmo ):

[lusty basin]

RIP Bilbo

[thick jolt]

Yelo trully made john prodman proud

[balmy storm]

Zeko will truly be missed by all, what a legend

[woeful patio]

I still wanting a moment where we can go back to time and see all the orokins without protection...

[cinder steppe]

Ordis is definitely the highlight of this event

[woeful patio]

Moment of carnage and satisfaction.

[balmy storm]

I completely forgot that they didnt show the night of the naga drums
Damn

[woeful patio]

Jokes aside, veso deserved something like kahl

[solemn hull]

More stalker quests where we see it from his pov

[woeful patio]

He just died like a a pure nothing

[balmy storm]

His death was not nothing

[lusty basin]

I want to meet pre-degradation Grineer

[solemn hull]

we do see a bit of them in one of the trailers

[woeful patio]

Tyl regor i suppose

[solemn hull]

they looked cool ngl

[cinder steppe]

You mean humans?

[lone axle]

In the end, veso paved the way for victory

[balmy storm]

We have, in a trailer

[lone axle]

i think they mean the handsome grineer from the cinematic opening

[lusty basin]

I mean, technically they are all human

Yeah

[thick jolt]

grineer were already clones during the orokin era
just that with orokin technology they avoided the clone rot

[woeful patio]

Handsome grineer but we couldnt see the female grineers.

This is criminal....

[solemn hull]

yea after the fall of the orokin they had to improvise the cloning or something

hence the current state

[lone axle]

that and excessive over-production of clones rotted the genes a lot

[lusty basin]

Doesn't help that Worm Queen has room temperature IQ

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think it necessarily suggests that at all. It looks to me that it just means that parvos had met wally before

[woeful patio]

Only orokins had the knowledge to make perfect clones, maybe the knowledge has been lost

[cinder steppe]

I thought clone rot was kinda the reason the Grineer exist in the first place and that the fall of the Orokin just cranked the level up to 100

[lone axle]

Well, not entirely
We have kavats and need their DNA to make more

[thick jolt]

Nope
Clone rot is a post colapse thing

[amber terrace]

“None shall be slaves.”
The Solaris would have words to say about that slogan

[solemn hull]

Grineer were a regular clone builder caste iirc all the rot happened after the fall of the orokin

[solemn hull]

there's different "sects" of corpus

I assume the ones under parvos and nef anyo have different ideals

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, the issue there is at what point he'd have been in a position to, since the suggestion is that the voice Parvos heard about the tenants was Want

[lone axle]

nef "the taxman" anyo

[thick jolt]

It is already established that modern day corpus dont really follow his rules
So him saying it doesnt prevent ppl like nef anyo from doing it

[lone axle]

parvos and nef do not get along as shown in parvos' first appearance

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[woeful patio]

Its kinda sad to know than onkko is a few steps away from his best friend, and his woman, but he also cant show up

[lusty basin]

Parvos is something of a hypocrite, which Ordis calls out

[solemn hull]

Yes and I think the Corpus has a split of those directly under parvos and his sisterhood and those under nef anyo

[rain otter]

Parvos is nothing if not a hypocrite.

Lmao.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, thats for DE to explain, but like the people of the zariman didnt all see wally but were all affected all the same. Its possible that parvos was somehow exposed to the void enough for wally to get a foot in to say hi.

Parvos's history is flexible enough for that

[cinder steppe]

Ah yes the CEO saying that they don't know slavery because they pay their slaves a wage

[solemn hull]

they really wasted parvos ngl we could've had a villain with actual ideals for once and not the regular old terrible person who does terrible things for the sake of it

[graceful zodiac]

The people of the Zariman just went crazy though, they weren't suddenly speaking Voidtounge

[lusty basin]

Parvos hiding behind wordplay, the systems he made are what made the Corpus the mess they became.

[woeful patio]

Corpus civil war ???

[lone axle]

parvos is also getting so close to the orokin that he's trying to re-make their tool of execution, the jade light

eugh i wanna kill that old man

[lusty basin]

It is very interesting how much more true the cult aspect Parvos exemplifies of that silly old quote

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not a be all and end all to what can happen. Additionally, the whole lot of the crazy ones have been personally identified (by extention from rell's mom) to have been "replaced" by wally.

Like the zariman incident is a perfect case study of wally not appearing directly infront of someone and mind blasting some goober

[woeful patio]

Whem we go to kill him, must use protea for extra emotional damage buff

[lone axle]

i'm using jade to spit in his face lol

[lusty basin]

Yes, and protea prime to sparkle as you do so

[solemn hull]

what interested me is parvos saying he can bring back ordis' humanity or something

it was likely bs tho

[graceful zodiac]

The two situations aren't comparable though. Zariman people went crazy (because of Wally or general Void side effect non withstanding) while Parvos is perfectly sane and just muttering in Voidtongue

[woeful patio]

Must protect our ordis from the old weirdo

[solemn hull]

I also really want to see more of hunhow

[lone axle]

family reunion!!

[solemn hull]

space grandad is just waiting to die at this point and I can't let that happen

[lone axle]

also the implication that hunhow signs all of his letters as "The great and terrible Hunhow"

[prisma fox]

Yeah this quest made me want more Hunhow

And the operation makes me want more Ordis

[obtuse gyro]

The zariman incident is proof of concept that wally doesnt have to directly appear infront of someone to affect them.

We know that an encounter with Wally can possibly lead someone to yapping the Tongue via albrecht and dante.

I think its rather narrow to assume that someone, especially mr dingus parvos, cannot have encountered wally in some way, learning the void tongue.

To say that the inclusion of that statement is questionable (or untrustworthy) would be edging closer to ignoring that DE put that there for a reason, that someone on their team thought it was important that we are led to believe that Parvos knows the voidtongue

[valid jolt]

Wait Parvos spoke Void Tongue? I must’ve missed that somewhere

[obtuse gyro]

Dante leverian

[obtuse gyro]

Should clarify, dante leverian's last entry, when you get the prex card iirc

[valid jolt]

What caused Parvos to speak Void Tongue?

[obtuse gyro]

No. Damn. Clue.

My guess is an encounter with wally at some point

[rain otter]

Okay so it's the Dante Leverian but with that knowledge we can go back to his tenets and realize the man in the wall was the otherworldly voice.

[solemn hull]

or wally was parvos

[rain otter]

If Wally is the otherworldly voice Wally was the one that pushed him to even make the coprus in the first place.

[valid jolt]

Totally off topic, but do you think Destiny is worth playing if you don’t buy any of the expansion?

[obtuse gyro]

Nope

[rain otter]

Also he has a "devil in his eye"

[obtuse gyro]

Only play destiny if youre willing to fork out money

[rain otter]

Which also hilarious foreshadowing.

[valid jolt]

Rip

[obtuse gyro]

I am, but I wont recommend it if you arent

[valid jolt]

I mean I’ve already spent money on Warframes lol. I wouldn’t mind spending on Destiny if I like it. The lore seems intriguing to me

[obtuse gyro]

You can still experience lore without playing the game (although obviously playing the game is a more fun and fulfilling experience)

But like, its a load of money

Like, maybe 1 or two max tier prime access worth of money

[scarlet basalt]

So, is the whisper from parvos still his own grindset thingies or something else ?

[obtuse gyro]

Maybe more

[valid jolt]

True

[rain otter]

Probably Wally. It is "other worldy" and spoken in a "not of the world language"

It seems pretty cut and dry after the dante prex.

[junior vine]

Cousin babyframe

👍👍

[woeful patio]

What?

[rain otter]

Cousin

[scarlet basalt]

whisper I strained to hear. In a tongue not of man, but of something… else. Something… grander. A language I understood instinctively. The language of Desire. The language of Desire. It said:

"Fear not poverty. Poverty is the bitter soil in which sweet desire blossoms." (Humble Beginnings)
It seems to be strange true
There are other whisper but they're pretty much talking with the same tone,etc...
It feels like something a, doppelganger could do ?

[junior vine]

If babyframe is Stalker and Jade's son then he is Cousin babyframe because at this point hunhow has adopted the stalker

[obtuse gyro]

For starters, you can look up the Ishtar Collective website. As much as I think gray has done a mighty work for the orokin archives, he is but one man doing what he can. Ishtar is a whole team of people who are much much more proficient with building websites. You can start there

[scarlet basalt]

Man really listened to voice in his head and didn't thought that he would need a psychologist

[valid jolt]

Oh yea I’ve been going to that website and reading stuff there from time to time

[storm wolf]

God, I love xeto as a character so much. She's my grayer version of Veso

[obtuse gyro]

She's also the more alive version of meto

[lusty basin]

I love that at the end of the day, Corpus are still human, and Xeto is another example of it, more outright presented

Plus, there's a possibility she has a family of her own

[storm wolf]

Me gunning down vallis corpus crying to myself knowing they probably want to live

Same thing with grinner brothers. Then again both factions are sick and would probably shoot a cetus youngin

[rain otter]

Corpus trade with cetus.

you see them do so. but so do solaris.

[barren sparrow]

Agreed, that was a really good moment. Enemies who have been suicidally antagonistic so far being stopped, not by force or fear but by...simple humanity.

[real niche]

Oh no I just took it as her not wanting to murder a baby in front of Parvos lol

[nocturne kiln]

So.... Whatst he deal with Ordis and Jade? Ive been running the mission and based on his conversations wit hParvos, he either knew her or is just simp talking "dont talk bad about the m-" wait, am I allowed to use the MIL.... other letter, acronym on here?

[obtuse gyro]

Lets not use that

[lusty basin]

Agreed

[prime lantern]

I'd also recommend just waiting for a sale

Destiny has sales alot like a few weeks ago I think every dlc was like 60% off on xbox

[lusty basin]

I really feel the Ordis/Ordan issue isn't quite resolved.

[nocturne kiln]

its why I asked

[nocturne kiln]

We need Ordis to willingly become Ordan Karris again in order to protect us. The helminth could create a warframe esque body for him

[lusty basin]

Well, the thing is too, the way he dealt with his past is far from healthy

Literally denying a part of himself has left him... broken

And it was all part of Orokin conditioning

[nocturne kiln]

Agreed. Its kind of an umbra situation:ignoring your trauma doesnt fix it. he needs to confront it and definitely give us an assistant like Loid is to Albrecht

Im serious. I'd love for us to meet The Beast of Bones reborn

[lusty basin]

Or at the very least, both parts of Ordis accepted as a whole so he can actually be happy rather than kinda conditioned to be that way

I'm sure Ordan would've loved to see Ballas fall

[nocturne kiln]

We're getting time travel in the future. I hope we get to meet Ordan at some point

[lusty basin]

That'd be cool

[sonic olive]

does choosing a name for dababy effect anything?

[lusty basin]

Probably what they call the child by later

[sonic olive]

just asking if it had any reward or gameplay affects for the storyline

[lusty basin]

No affect on reward, it is just whichever fancies you better

[sonic olive]

okay

[nocturne kiln]

yup

[lusty basin]

Literally naming a baby, it's that kind of emotional moment. And again, will likely pop up later and will call the child by that name in the future

Again, I absolutely love how much Stalker and Hunhow have developed as characters.

Personally, I've gone from wanting to have a legit boss battle with Hunhow to wanting to help him.

[obtuse gyro]

And I remain, the great and terrible hunhow

Exact same vibe as

And I am, unfortunately, the hero of ages

Iykyk

[lusty basin]

From the fury and vengeance of his introduction to... legitimately kindhearted yet a bit grumpy

[rain otter]

I mean we saved his daugther at this point.

so like shRug.

[lusty basin]

And yet when I say we can make amends with the big guy, I keep getting naysayers

[rain otter]

we can.

[rain otter]

Espeacially now after he went "just call um Stalker they don't know much but they know how to take care of a warframe."

[nocturne kiln]

Well, parvos just offered Ordan sanctuary in my game. Samaris, Parvos.... Who was Ordan that so many people want to suad Ordis from our side?

[rain otter]

What's the issue with just giving the tenno a call? it's fine.

[lusty basin]

Yeah, which just shows that he trusts us

[rain otter]

we know who ordan was. But simiars wants Ordis cuz he is a SUPER OLD cephalon.

[nocturne kiln]

They both want him because of how capable he is

[nocturne kiln]

we have hearsay who Ordan was

[rain otter]

@nocturne kiln the Ordis fragments tell us who ordan karis was and stuff like that. He was the beast of bones also the fragments where the first thing to tell us that all celphanos where people.

we literally hear who Ordan was and why he is ordis from ordis.

this is not hearsay.

[nocturne kiln]

Right, but Id rather meet him in person than take the memories of a fragmented cephalon at face value. Who knows what details are omitted

[rain otter]

HE IS THE CELPHALON

he was digitized and stuff into a CUBE

[lusty basin]

Stalker no longer has a reason to hate us, and now he has all the reason to know we weren't the enemy from the beginning, as he's become enlightened to the memories he lost.

"What about Stalker marks?"
Me: "What about the bosses we killed a million times to get warframe parts?"

I've had so many get hung up on gameplay VS story.

[nocturne kiln]

Im not saying Ordan isnt Ordis. I am saying there is potentially a whole lot about Ordan that we dont know

And that Ordis's memories may have parts of his previous life omitted

[plain onyx]

lmao

ordis is so cute in this new quest

[inland thicket]

I know it hasn't been fully confirmed but from what I gathered from stalkers quest stalker my be similar to umbra turned into a warframe as punishment for something but he kept his awareness with some of his memories being affect by the change what do yall think

[plain onyx]

wtf

IS THIS JADE FRAME PREGANANANT??

warframes can SEGGS???

[rain otter]

No.

She was pregnant before she was a frame seemingly made one as a punishment.

[plain onyx]

so this "sorren" dude that this jade frame, IS stalker??

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[plain onyx]

what, are jade and stalker a couple when they were "humans"?

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[plain onyx]

huh..

[rain otter]

It was illegal for them to be together.

Which we have seen before. With Dagath and probably margulis and Ballas.

[sleek ore]

so just so I understand this Jade was pregnant and then got turned into a warframe so now her baby is a warframe? or did she turn into a baby? or she turned into a warframe then somehow got pregnant?

[rain otter]

1st thing. Seemingly as a punishment for having a illegal relationship.

[sleek ore]

so will the baby grow then or will it always remain a baby?

[rain otter]

Probably will grow but it is a thing we haven't seen ever before. Might even mature faster.

[sleek ore]

ah i see i see

[tranquil dust]

is jade dead, or is she the new child.. im confused there

[rain otter]

All other frames where basically Infested grafted on people that where molded onto frames.

[rain otter]

Jade is dead. Well the original jade.

[tranquil dust]

thats what im wondering. if its a phoenix situation or not

[rain otter]

It's not it is like

Stalker and her child before she was made into a warframe.

[plain onyx]

man, so stalker is a daddy

who would have thought

eeyy i recognize this part

[fathom rapids]

What is this symbol beside the planets now?

[rain otter]

Activate your windows.

[plain onyx]

never!

[tranquil dust]

okay so the original jades completely gone, and her child isnt her next reincarnation/phoenix thing

brain been a bit slow with the abrupt end

[plain onyx]

um, does this affect the story

[fathom rapids]

no. just name it

[plain onyx]

lol ok

[rain otter]

Yeah. I said this idk if you saw but human Jade had a Child with human Stalker (Sorren) and seemingly since the relationship was illegal they made her and her Fetus into a warframe.

[plain onyx]

"orion" nah im calling that baby Onion

erm

that's it..? i've reached the end?

[rain otter]

Yes.

🙂

[tranquil dust]

i understood that. i guess maybe i was confused if her souls gone or it went into the body of the baby.. .sorry for being dumb

[rain otter]

It's a very chains of harrow type quest.

[rain otter]

You didn't do nothing wrong. Asking questions is good.

[plain onyx]

oh welp,,

[tranquil dust]

its me just feeling so confused more than any other cinematic in a long time

and mind u ive been almost playing nonstop for 3 years

[rain otter]

It's fine. Lmao

[plain onyx]

NEW ORDIS LINES LESGOOOOOO

[tranquil dust]

yeahhh.. but yeah not sure if her soul vanish or wento to the child's

my favorite line from ordis... real

[sonic cedar]

There is the emergency signal one I want for scam callers/text

[plain onyx]

ah, here we go, new mail from hunhow

wait so, hunhow seem to be lesser and lesser of a hostile towards us, is he becoming an ally?

and tf happened to stalker's house? tf does hunhow mean that he won't return??

[tranquil dust]

yeah that lost my brain

[sonic cedar]

Is a neutral respect kind of thing with Hunhow given the whole New War thing

[tranquil dust]

valid. just feel bad for stalker.. rn

[plain onyx]

"i wanna kill you, but you did helped my daughter, so now i'll hate you but with respect" ahh

[sonic cedar]

basically

and that he saw right through Ballas's shenanigans

[plain onyx]

hey, stalker should definitely just stop trying to mess with us tennos and just vibe with us, we'd totally give him a new home right??

[sonic cedar]

We'll be the god parent of the baby. maybe even take them on trips

[tranquil dust]

i hope so

for both things.. agreed. just sad he died q.q but its ok

ill be fine even tho im like??? what/why

[thick jolt]

who died ?

[plain onyx]

"died"?? what????

[sleek ore]

so wait how do they explain jade prime from a narrative standpoint?

[thick jolt]

we shall see in.... quite a few years

[plain onyx]

man, maybe not ALL of them have to be primed...

[amber terrace]

So can all Warframe’s get pregnant or is Jade’s pregnancy a means to mess with Sorren Matragrano(Stalker) and Jade Matragrano?

I attached Gianni Matragrano’s last name to stalker because I think I’m a comedic genius

[sonic cedar]

Jade was pregnant before being turned

[real niche]

Jade's likely story is that she was pregnant when she turned

[rain otter]

Jade was the first and then Ballas went "lets make another"

that's it we did it.

[amber terrace]

That I understand, I’m more curious as to why the Orokin made Jade the warframe pregnant, I assume it would be to mess with the Stalker

[sonic cedar]

Orokin didnt make Jade pregnant

[amber terrace]

They made her keep the pregnancy she had when she was alive

[rain otter]

but the could have decided not to keep the warframe pregant yeah.

[thick jolt]

well the people don't exactly die when you turn them into warframes

cant really go mad or feel pain if you are dead

[sonic cedar]

They could not have known she was pregs when it happened

they just knew Sorren and Jade was a couple

[thick jolt]

considering how cruel orokin usually are ? they probably knew

[amber terrace]

So building off of that, the Orokin made Jade the warframe continue to carry the baby that Jade the human had with Sorren?

[tranquil dust]

sorry mistype, she

my keyboard hates me

[obtuse gyro]

They just make a Jade Prime. Like they have the data and the blueprints. Nothing is stopping them from making a Jade prime.

Hell, a Jade prime could have existed blueprint wise before Jade

[tranquil dust]

idk im sentimental even if its npcs

[rain otter]

they could have know.

they where the super advaned orokin.

[tranquil dust]

but yeah bummed about the original jade q.q

[rain otter]

yeah.

[thick jolt]

Honestly my thought process on this one goes like

Jade was knowingly made into a warframe while pregnant

I am unclear what they thought would happen but i am inclined to believe they thought the fetus would simply die

Honestly i think jade just functioned as normal for a loooong time until someday the baby's energy drain started taking a toll on her

I think some conceptual embodiment was involved in the baby being delivered

I think the extra base infested tissue from the juggernaut plus jades final energy and the operators interference coupled with the final shared burst of memory is what finally "delivered" the baby