spoiler-chat

[valid jolt]

Yea the Requiems are definitely special. Given that they have actual translations while every other letter in Voidtongue is just gibberish

[junior vine]

Yeah

[near rune]

Well I think we can assume that there is a larger Voidtongue language we haven't decoded yet. We have a handful of words with no known translations yet. So the same would probably be true for the symbols.

[junior vine]

But one thing I'm leading towards with the Requiems is they're void energy is a completely different energy. Our void energy

[valid jolt]

Is there any lore on the Requiem Mods and how they originated or is it just for gameplay reasons that they exist as mods?

[junior vine]

The indifference

Also, not many people know this but the whole reason why Wally can't go immediately after the lab is because of the emotional energy it holds

The indifference is not a whole form of emotion itself it shows none

Wally is only smiling because it's the only thing he can ever do besides laugh and speak in the voidtongue

The only Tenno I remember that has more of a connection to Wally is Rell

And I believe he's going after us more now because he is looking for something in return from us after we made the deal with him

[valid jolt]

Ehh I disagree. I believe Wally has emotions, and wants to be his own individual

But he just doesn’t know how to fit in, like what Tagfer says

Here’s the dialogue

[junior vine]

The indifference is a name for the murmurs. Not Wally himself

And remember Tagfer doesn't show much emotion other than grief

[valid jolt]

Nono Indifferance is also another name for Wally. Even the Red Veil called him the Indifference, and that was way before Whispers came out

[rain otter]

The murmurs are also just parts of Wally btw.

They are basically pieces of him.

[junior vine]

The Red Veil and Albrecht Refer to him as the Lidless Eye

[rain otter]

Albretch says Indifference.

But he had says Lidless eye before.

[junior vine]

The Indifference is Quinn, Lloyd, and the Cavia normally

The Lotus calls it the walls other face

[rain otter]

Also Albretch called it the man in the wall once but didn't know the tenno man in the wall and indifference where the same.

That's actually In the recap computer.

But yeah the Void we see in the labs is Wally's part of the Void.

[valid jolt]

Ye

[rain otter]

Just like how Thrax and Parvos have their own part.

I wouldn't actually be surprised if we get our like truly our own part of the Void as a hub or something.

If you are gonna tell me duviri is I would tell you it is now thrax's and it was only the drifters.

[valid jolt]

Also I just checked the dialogue and yea Red Veil does call Wally Lidless Eye. But just as ShadeyShroomy said, Wallys been referred to as the Indifference by the computer next to Loid in the Sanctum and by Albrecht himself

[junior vine]

Ik that in the Requiem recording Albrecht only refers to him as the Lidless eye like he is afraid to refer to him as the indifference

[rain otter]

He also says man in the wall cuz he sees him in a literal like "wall'

[junior vine]

Yeah

[rain otter]

Wally like really tries to take this man's whole being.

Trying to soul snatch him.

[junior vine]

But how do we even know that's his real form?

[valid jolt]

I don’t think Albrecht called him the Lidless Eye in the recordings? Unless I’m misremembering again lol

[junior vine]

He did

[near rune]

Albrecht calls him the Indifference in his grimoire notes

[rain otter]

Okay I kina dislike this but not in a "he has many forms" cuz he does I just hate the idea of a true form for things like this.

I even dislike true forms for shape shifter characters a little depending.

[junior vine]

Well, with the wall did anybody even see a finger missing?

[near rune]

Yeah I'm not seeing any mention of Albrecht ever saying "lidless eye"

[rain otter]

Yeah in all his forms he has one missing.

[junior vine]

And we know he can split himself into different people as you can see at the end of Whispers

[rain otter]

Pretty sure.

[rain otter]

Wait let me check.

I thought in like the "xata" or something

[junior vine]

Only Exceptions are with the Albrecht form and Tenno form

[junior vine]

Believe it or not. All of them

[valid jolt]

Wouldn’t make sense because that’s before he encounters Wally

[junior vine]

I am however glad that we're getting more of the Stalker's backstory

[near rune]

If you search all the dialogue for "lidless eye" you only get Palladino during Chains of Harrow

[rain otter]

Can i have some proof maybe?

[valid jolt]

I’m really curious how this “secret” he’s hiding is gonna impact the entire origin system

[near rune]

Could just be hyperbole

[junior vine]

Do you not have access to the Requiem Recordings?

[valid jolt]

That could also be true lol

[rain otter]

I just don't know if he says lidless eye

I am looking at the like transcripts.

I don't see it. I can go in game and check though.

Like I am max rank in all the synds I think. Well all the ones I can be.

[junior vine]

You don't have to be max rank anymore

[rain otter]

Idk if that's true.

[near rune]

I have heard you don't need to be max rank anymore but I haven't confirmed personally

[rain otter]

Ight cool beans then.

[junior vine]

I was able to access the 2nd one

[rain otter]

But yeah i just don't know

If he says lidless eye.

[valid jolt]

Nah he doesn’t

[near rune]

I do know: he does not

[rain otter]

I Wana give her the benefit of the doubt lmao

Cuz we all miss things but if you're sure I agree.

[valid jolt]

It wouldn’t really make sense for him to call Wally that since he never mentions his eye or anything when Wally pops up

[junior vine]

And I went through and listened to all of them he doesn't say the lidless eye

[rain otter]

Alright.

[valid jolt]

Nice to see DE no longer gate keeping the important lore

[junior vine]

Yeah

[rain otter]

Lmao I just wanted to not be mean I don't like being mean i will be nice if I can help it.

[junior vine]

Appreciate you being calm

Not used to that😅

[rain otter]

No I'm clam.

[junior vine]

Nah, you're clem

[rain otter]

🙂

[junior vine]

I remember when Clem was the most loved grineer and now it's Kahl, poor Clem

[rain otter]

Lul I only really get actually upset at people that like are like very terrible.

[rain otter]

Clem is still up there he just has a friend.

[junior vine]

Clem is much better than Kahl and nothing will change that

And do we even have a favorite Corpus?

[valid jolt]

Clem and Kahl better show up in a future quest

[valid jolt]

Yea of course. It’s Veko obviously

[junior vine]

Well, who's the Corpus ally that people like most?

[junior vine]

Veko is probably dead by now😭

[valid jolt]

Poor Veno

[junior vine]

Veko*

[valid jolt]

Oh mb

[rain otter]

Veso had a great moment. Wait are we calling Solaris coprus? We probably shouldn't.

[valid jolt]

There’s also John Prodman(think I spelled his name right)

[rain otter]

If we count Solaris.

LD and Chipper are my favorite. But they all have pretty good stories. I don't think I really hate any NPC. Like I don't get the ordis hate.

My Favorite cephalon though is Cy.

[valid jolt]

Yea Cy is very cool

[rain otter]

Btw

[junior vine]

Veso best. And no

[rain otter]

Sidenote. Cy's VA came out as trans like last year which is cool.

[junior vine]

Cy best Cephalon. Next is Ordis. 3rd is Suda. 4th is Jordas. I absolutely despise simaris

[junior vine]

One thing the VA and I have in common

[rain otter]

I like Simiars. But in a interesting character kind of way.

[rain otter]

Did you see the tweet thing she made about it?

[junior vine]

Nah, I'm usually never on Twitter unless it's for updates on apex

[rain otter]

Oh lol let me get it. It's a comic thing she made.

https://x.com/emma_martello/status/1751714681256079698?t=KLGwiGpzHxwsRrTfhQwjyg&s=19

Emma Martello (@emma_martello) on X

Hi friends. I'd like to share an important milestone with you all: today I'm coming out as a Transgender Woman. My name is Emma (she/her).

It's difficult for me to express the complex feelings that led me here, so I've collected my thoughts in a comic.(1/3)

Twitter · Jan 28, 2024, 9:11 PM

[obtuse gyro]

I know you've already been through this song and dance above, but here is a statement straight out of the computer in the Sanctum, so like, no the Indifference is not just a name for the Murmur, its Wally's other moniker

‘The Man in the Wall’ is identical with the entity known to us as ‘The Indifference’.

[junior vine]

I've honestly lost count of how many names Wally goes by. There's too many

Even the Tenno don't have many, it's just Tenno, Operator, and Devils

[rain otter]

Drifter

But yeah.

[junior vine]

Drifter isn't a Tenno until after the deal from the memories

[obtuse gyro]

Bout like 4?
The Man in The Wall
The Indifference
The Lidless Eye
The Wall's Other Face (just once)

[rain otter]

Well "otherworldly voice"

[obtuse gyro]

5 then

[rain otter]

And "devil in his eye" If you want.

Loid also calls him demon.

[junior vine]

The Man In The Wall
The Indifference
The Wall's Other Face
The Other
That Which Bears No Name
The Wall Of Bone
The Otherworldly Voice

[junior vine]

Most come from the wiki

[rain otter]

"The song" yeah Wall of Lohk Wall of Bone.

[junior vine]

Oh yeah, and The Lidless Eye

[rain otter]

That which bears no name I think is from Dantes prex.

[junior vine]

Yeah

[junior vine]

Shockingly the Wall Of Bone is something Vor calls it

[rain otter]

Yeah in duviri.

Pretty sure. I need to read that speech at some point.

[junior vine]

I still wonder how many people know this but the man in the wall actually attacked Duviri after Albrecht visited

I really need to sleep but the lore is keeping me distracted🤣🤣🤣

[rain otter]

Yeah. Multiple times even.

[junior vine]

Might watch the dark seige and his lore videos for warframe

[junior vine]

Yeah

[junior vine]

I watch his because he uses evidence from the game and the wiki

[undone lodge]

Apparently his videos aren’t great

Or maybe it was just his theories

[junior vine]

Idk why, he uses lore from the game

[rain otter]

Oh God no.

Their real bad some of the theories and things he thinks the game says are wrong.

We talk about it in main lore chat a bit.

[junior vine]

I dont like his theories that's about it

I believe he also uses the Wiki to help with some of the lore

And his videos are better than StallordD's 9 hour warframe lore video

However when I have to go over to my parent's house to watch their dogs I'll probably watch it to keep myself occupied

Anyways anybody else notice how you can see Duviri on the other side of the Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

Dsiege has a very nasty habit of claiming everyone is wally

[junior vine]

Yeah, I've seen that with Erra

[rain otter]

I like those videos but we have another.

It's Gray he has a channel. Only 2 videos so far but good videos.

[junior vine]

Whats the channel?

[rain otter]

https://youtube.com/@orokinarchives?si=n2BBpUXr3ng3L5Y0

Oh 4 videos.

I forgor.

[junior vine]

I believe I watched one a bit ago. He created his own website I believe

He's severely underrated

[valid jolt]

Well he’s made shorter ones these past few months

[rain otter]

He do. He's grayarchon here. He has been here the whole time doing lore discussions his site is really useful.

[junior vine]

Yeah, but he went over everything up to the new war in a 9 hour video

[junior vine]

Yeah, he's severely underrated tho

[rain otter]

I agree.

[junior vine]

My Grammar is getting worse due to how tired I am but my ADHD won't let me sleep

[rain otter]

I am doing this while about to sleep. Neurodivergence and hyper fixation do have their downsides sometimes. Anyway I have to sleep myself.

[junior vine]

Yeah

[junior vine]

I hope Tau actually comes to the game

[prime lantern]

I doubt it'll come

I'd like maybe a transmission from tau

From a mag warframe a little checkup on how's it going or if she died a recording of her last stand

But we don't have a reason to visit tau and tau can't exactly make it to us

[valid jolt]

I’m still betting that we’ll eventually get an option, maybe 30 years down the line, where we’ll be able to change the Star Charts like how you can change between normal and sp difficulty

[junior vine]

We're gonna have to go eventually

[valid jolt]

And something happens in the plot that causes us to go to Tau

[prime lantern]

No

[prime lantern]

They can't come to us

[junior vine]

Especially if the sentient problem gets worse

[junior vine]

Yes they can?

[obtuse gyro]

The longest way lmao

[junior vine]

If people from Tau can't come to us then how did the sentients get from Tau to the origin system?

[prime lantern]

Giving the sentients a generous .01c

It'd take the current sentients more than a thousand years to come to us

I however severely doubt anything is capable of moving nls in real space

[obtuse gyro]

the sentients destroyed the rail so like, they cant, unless they wanna take the extremely long route

[prime lantern]

A destroyed solar rail

[junior vine]

They managed to do it again

[prime lantern]

They didn't

[undone lodge]

They were already here

[prime lantern]

They just sat in the outer terminus

Spaces is big

It's easy to hide

[obtuse gyro]

those goobers were already here

[prime lantern]

But even then assuming the sentients left tau immediately after the old war

They'd still be over 100 years out

[valid jolt]

When the Orokin first sent the Sentients to Tau, the only reason it wasn’t as long of a journey is because they had Praghasa right?

[prime lantern]

No they went the long way

[junior vine]

Praghasa was after they went rogue

[prime lantern]

Praghasa is one of the first sentients made

[valid jolt]

But it didn’t take a thousand years?

[junior vine]

But Praghasa never made it easy for them to get there

[prime lantern]

We don't know how long it took

[junior vine]

All we know is it took a while because they didn't have any solar rails to get there

[prime lantern]

Giving the sentients an incredibly generous .01c or 1% the speed of light

It'd take nearly 1200 years

.01c is the absolute minimum required for being considered a "nls" speed

Since at those speed stuff like relativity and the lorenz factor matter

[junior vine]

They made a Solar rail around Pluto shortly before they left as said by Grayarchon in one of his videos and his website

[prime lantern]

Yes

That rail is destroyed

[junior vine]

And then they made a solar rail in the tau system

[prime lantern]

The rail is broken in sol

[junior vine]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

Sooo the Orokin and the Origin System were just chilling while the Sentients were slowly going to Tau in the meantime?

[prime lantern]

Yes

[junior vine]

Yup

[prime lantern]

Slowly is a but of an understatement

[valid jolt]

Oh ok. I thought they couldn’t move as fast because they lost Praghasa

[prime lantern]

The sentients if they have the capacity to move at .01c would be moving insanely fast

2.998e+8

M/s

[junior vine]

I'm still wondering how we were able to access the Zariman before it even appeared in the origin system

[prime lantern]

Wdym?

I hate scientific notation

[junior vine]

The new war after the scene with Ballas and Erra after the drifter revives the Lotus

[prime lantern]

2.998x10⁸

[valid jolt]

That was in the minds of Operator and Drifter

[prime lantern]

That looks better I hate the e

[valid jolt]

They didn’t actually go to the Zariman

It’s like what happened in Warwithin and the mountain

[junior vine]

It was set as a yuvan theater because that's what we were to the worm queen

[valid jolt]

Yea but it happened in the Operators mind. They weren’t actually there there

[junior vine]

Until at the end

[valid jolt]

Yea

[junior vine]

Which is where Wally first appears in the storyline

And the archimedians never made the very first sentient. A Corpus member named Perintol did

The Archimedians only helped create more

[valid jolt]

Wonder what he would think if he saw the Sentients as they are now lol

[junior vine]

Lol

Only reason there were more created is because Ballas made an alliance or something with Perintol to create more

I still however find it sad that people think Protea didn't create the granum void

And I'm sure you can tell the lore for warframe is interesting if Matpat made a video on it🤣🤣🤣

Hah yup he's done is research

[valid jolt]

I wish he researched more about it and learned about Wally, the Void, and etc because in his video he only talked about the Warframes backstory and their creation. That’s only like the tip of the iceberg

[junior vine]

He only talked about the warframes because it was when the new war came out

So there wasn't much about Wally

[valid jolt]

True

[junior vine]

And he couldn't explain everything in warframe because at the time he was also working on the fnaf lore

[valid jolt]

I see

[junior vine]

Sadly he retired

[valid jolt]

Yea I heard

[tawdry socket]

Why do I keep seeing this channel as unread but there's no new messages in here

[nova harness]

Bots send messages and it gets loided

[tawdry socket]

Gdi

[thick jolt]

It was definetely one of his worse episodes

[valid jolt]

Dang

[junior vine]

He never played the game and he didn't want to go into depth of it because he didn't know everything

He only researched the warframes themselves and a little bit of the tenno

[thick jolt]

Putting less effort into it still makes it a bad episode

Dont get me wrong I still like a lot of his videos but a poorly researched episode is still a bad episode

[near rune]

That Corpus guy was an Archimedian lol

[nova harness]

Wasn’t Ballas working with him so the project got approved?

[near rune]

Yes

[rain otter]

I don't think that was a Corpus. A archimedian that worked for the coprus on the crewman project was there but the orokin didn't like that project so they killed them. It seemingly is a a big conference that happens every so often that all archimedians present their work they have been doing and if the Orokin don't like it they kill the archimedian.

Also parvos even says he uses archimediana.

[obtuse gyro]

Ballas turned his head as the judgement disc went suddenly dark, “An appeal comes at a price. Should you fail, you and your corpus will pay dearly.”
It might be lowercase C but Ballas does say you and your corpus

[near rune]

Bau beat me to it lol. I was grabbing the screenshots.

My reading has always been that Archimedian Perintol was part of the nascent Corpus.

[rain otter]

That's why I said that archimedian is working for the coprus cuz it's thr crewman project and parvos says he uses Archimedians. Oh it could be coprus was a general term but idk.

Most things in Orokin society had a meaning before that.

But shRug.

[nova harness]

Nancent?

[rain otter]

Fresh

New.

[obtuse gyro]

nacent?

[rain otter]

Nascent

[near rune]

why is the example from the 17th century

[nova harness]

Wikipedia wanted to go back in time a bit

[tawdry socket]

I assume that conference is the Archimedian Symposium that Yonta mentions

[rain otter]

I was confusing the person that gets blasted at the start of the transmission with the one that one that talks later so I am gonna say it's just what Orokin said for family before the coprus where really a faction.

[rain otter]

Yep that. I just couldn't remember the name.

[tawdry socket]

I like Yonta she's funny

Talking of archis I always feel bad for Otak

[rain otter]

Yonta is also probably AuDHD

Yeah. He discovered argon.

[tawdry socket]

An archimedian lobotomised to become a cephalon only to the be relobotomised when getting put into Loid

[rain otter]

I love my rock eating cephalon.

[tawdry socket]

"Mining isn't my only interest! I am also interested in... Mining"

[nova harness]

Otak should’ve said I’m also interested in annoying Loid

[junior vine]

He became an Archimedian after the creation of the first sentient

I am using evidence from GrayArchon's videos

He said himself in a video a corpus

[rain otter]

Maybe.

[terse nexus]

|| I'm spoiler-ing this message in spoiler chat >:) ||

[left slate]

What the FASS. Why you gotta spoil things

[near rune]

Perintol was already an Archimedian (and a Corpus)

[zinc scroll]

should i pick operator or drifter?

[rain otter]

What one do you wanna pick?

I liked drifter cuz we have played operator for so long

[zinc scroll]

drifter feels more deep tbh

[junior vine]

Already done with the duviri paradox?

If you are and you choose drifter they say something interesting

[zinc scroll]

alr ill pick drifter

[balmy storm]

They don’t have a different voiceline if you complete duviri first?

They say it regardless

[junior vine]

Which one?

[static steppe]

Bro

The significance of killing ballas is gravely understated as hell

You killed the warframe man himself

[balmy storm]

Wdym which one?
There isn’t any special line for completing duviri before new war?
The Drifter will always mention riding a horse and duviri if you pick them

[junior vine]

Even when they say "I should've stayed in duviri"

[balmy storm]

Yes, Drifter says that no matter what

[junior vine]

From what I remember before duviri came out the drifter never said it and I would know I chose drifter the first time and they never said it

[balmy storm]

I chose them too and I very fondly remember them saying it cause I got really excited

[valid jolt]

Yea they’ve always said that even before Duviri

[junior vine]

Even on the first day

[valid jolt]

Yep

[balmy storm]

Yes, I played new war on launch lol

[junior vine]

Never heard it

[nova harness]

Warframe players have terrible memory confirmed

[balmy storm]

My memory is a steel trap for things that make me giddy
Any mention of Duviri makes me giddy

[thick jolt]

I mean going back after all that new war fixing and messing with the code just to insert a voice line would have been very irresponsible of DE

[balmy storm]

I lost it when they said the horse line and got even more excited when they mentioned Duviri outright, it was amazing

[valid jolt]

Here’s a screenshot of a YouTuber who played New War on launch

[balmy storm]

It also doesn’t make sense to do, the whole point of Duviri is that it’s already happened whether or not you played it

[nova harness]

I played New War on launch but had to wait till the next day because Bugframe had bugs and told me PC balloon controls

I was getting close to just getting an army of Gara to just blow the Sentients up

[near rune]

I didn't pick Drifter the first time I played TNW but I was watching StallordD's stream of the quest, and he was talking about Duviri a couple times like he was hyped for it, so when he found the Duviri mask in the Zariman he was like Yooo and then when the Drifter said the line about Duviri he was like YOOOO

Same with the line about riding a horse

[valid jolt]

I picked Drifter because it was about time our Operator got older

Games been going on for 11 years and the Operator still looks like a 10 year old smh

[junior vine]

I knew about the horse line

But the "I should've stayed in duviri" I didn't hear on day one

[valid jolt]

Ohhh

[junior vine]

Also I wonder how many people know this but the reason the drifter wasn't affected by the Veil is because they're from a completely different timeline

[valid jolt]

That line comes up when we’re going near the Sun

[junior vine]

Yeah I just didn't hear it the first time

[valid jolt]

Oh. I thought they just resisted it

[junior vine]

Nope

[valid jolt]

Because Drifter said they couldn’t handle it anymore near the end of that section

[junior vine]

Because they couldn't handle the trauma of the tenno

[valid jolt]

Ohh ok

[balmy storm]

It’s more so they couldn’t handle the veil’s effects, but yes they resisted it because the memories were false

[valid jolt]

Drifters built different

[balmy storm]

They don’t really state they couldn’t candle it because of the Operator’s trauma and considering the Drifter being veiled counts as a game over it’s more so the veils effects themselves

[balmy storm]

Literally, built up from a different set of experiences

Machine saw their brain (or however it detects you as you), saw the Operator cause technically does check out but oopsies those lies don’t work cause they can’t connect to them

[valid jolt]

We also need more hairstyles

[nova harness]

There was new hairstyles

[balmy storm]

There was 1 with Duviri

We need more hairstyles

[valid jolt]

^

[junior vine]

The Drifter is just a version of the Tenno that had to survive the zariman with the children on their own

[nova harness]

2

We had the one from the trailer and 1 of them which was short hair

[balmy storm]

No, we got 1 new one with Duviri
The short one, the one in the trailer

Duviri gave us 1 new hairstyle

[balmy storm]

The Drifter is the version of the tenno who didn’t have access to void powers to defend themselves against the adults, they were never saved
The Operator also has to survive on the Zariman but they, and the other children, had void powers to defend themselves and were later saved

[nova harness]

Look at Drifter cut 40 that was also new

Drifter cut 40 and Drifter cut 002 were new

[balmy storm]

They really hid that one away

Regardless we need more hairstyles lmao

[nova harness]

Agreed

[balmy storm]

2 is not really cutting it
Especially since they’re both so short, we need variety

[nova harness]

I only knew about cut 40 because Starlord was using that hairstyle in his play through of Duviri

[balmy storm]

We need more feminine / longer hair styles, we have a lot but some are samey or feel incredibly dated
or just look bad 99% of the time

Do we even have Mara’s from the cinematic trailers?

[nova harness]

We need more short hair styles tbh because while you’re right in saying they are all the same at least there’s loads of them while there’s 4 short male styles

There’s like 35 long hair styles

[balmy storm]

I mean, hair isn’t inherently connected to gender
I think they tried to make them all ambiguous but I do agree we need more variety both for short and long styles

Preferably not just the same hair in different styles too, I love the ones that are blue and purple in the ui but I’m starting to get sick of them
I’ve experimented with some shorter ones and I can make some work and still be feminine but not all

[scarlet basalt]

i've never seen DE make their perso like that ?
It look very good and a little bit out of place since we've never seen this kind of pose ?
Maybe they are trying to challenge themselves with more than mocap ?

It could be with the wisp treatment they are exploring more their animation budget ?

[balmy storm]

Wdym?

[stray briar]

i wish they added a part were hunt humans when they when crazy in the void

[junior vine]

Hyped for Jade Shadows isn't it set to release the 16th?

Nvm the 18th

[balmy storm]

Considering it was a deeply traumatic event for the Tenno maybe they decided it was best to not have that in gameplay but instead just spoken about

[stray briar]

naw man the game play loop get boring i wanna se guts and blood

[balmy storm]

Go slice and dice the corpus or grineer, both are humans
Plus the void beams disintegrated people, not eviscerate

[stray briar]

not enfhof

wish the game gun had like flash fire and noise

THAT DROS MORE CASING

[obtuse gyro]

Okay buddy

Soma literally exists

[stray briar]

aslo better crosshairs

[valid jolt]

Basically comes out in a week

[junior vine]

Yeah

[junior vine]

I also now believe Wally has a connection with the Lotus mainly because of the end of the new war

[valid jolt]

Idk about that. I think Lotus smiling at the end was just a “YAYY we did it” type scene

[obtuse gyro]

When you see a wally smile you know its a wally smile

Lotus did not have a wally smile

[quick valve]

What did y’all choose after beating the new war? Lotus? Natah? Or Margulis?

[valid jolt]

I chose Lotus because her new outfit looked cool and because it made the most sense to me

[valid jolt]

That’s fair. Also Bau what, how’re you feeling now that the Witness is dead?

[quick valve]

I liked margulis because we get to see her face. And because lore wise margulis was first. So it’s a nice call back to her.

[obtuse gyro]

We did it, its the end of this road... at least until we start another. For now we have to deal with these paracausal echoes that have shot out all over the galaxy

[valid jolt]

Yea I can’t wait for Echoes. Bungie cooked with all of the recent news and with Final Shape

And hopefully they tell us more about Frontiers(Destiny 3?)

[obtuse gyro]

I have it on good word we're already playing D3

We've been playing it since like Beyond Light

[valid jolt]

Fair enough

[warm anvil]

WHAT DID U THINK OF KAHL @rose cave

[rose cave]

i fkn love his character bro just at the end said nah aint no queens its for the brothers

[warm anvil]

i replayed the new war a week later just to play that section again and take cinematic screenshots

[rose cave]

kahl a idol fr

the corpus guy is cool too

[warm anvil]

are you getting off of the game for tonight or r u still going to play

[warm anvil]

RIP him tho

[rose cave]

im prolly gonna still play since the boosters

[warm anvil]

u should check out veilbreaker

the quest

[rose cave]

honestly the first two parts gave corpus and grineer more life

[rose cave]

yea im gonna go for

i see kahl on the pic so im def gonna do it

[warm anvil]

also whispers in the walls is the most recent quest so make sure to play that last

annndddd on the 18th

[rose cave]

i havent done call of temperstarii

does that add to lore?

[warm anvil]

we are getting a cinematic quest 20-30 minutes long about the stalker's story

[warm anvil]

it lets you get access to a new type of lich enemy

a corpus one called sisters of parvos

[rose cave]

havent done sisters once but i do have one lich

[warm anvil]

but no, it's only lore related for the frame

freaking i forget its name

[rose cave]

i got so much 100d prime parts that i would forgot about them thx to new war

[junior vine]

It's mainly because he like moved forward and clearly did something to her but after she smiled that's why I think so

[valid jolt]

Ohh you mean that. It’s hard to tell if he jumped at her ngl. But I see your point

[scarlet basalt]

Yessss

[scarlet basalt]

It's just that this kind of pose in a video game is unexpected, I didn't thought that they would do this kind of pose as it seems to convey a special meaning like power and defiance against the tenno
But like also this is a pose that surprise me in the form lmao

[balmy storm]

Idk if it’s necessarily that deep, but it is a cool pose though

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah

I just like the pose lmao

[balmy storm]

It’s a very good pose

[junior vine]

Do we still know who moved the warframe in the second dream

Or do we even know?

[tawdry socket]

Unknown, up to interpretation ig

[valid jolt]

It was either the Operator or the Warframe itself

[junior vine]

But if the warframes can't be controlled without the operator how could it have happened?

That's where your claim doesn't work with the warframes

[valid jolt]

The Warframes actually used to operate on their own(Rhino Prime Codex) since they were once people. But they were always on a rampage and couldn’t be controlled. So it isn’t impossible that the Operators Warframe helped them in that dire situation

[pulsar merlin]

Doesn't Excalibur Umbra show that the frames technically can act on thier own, they just normally don't unless controlled by an Operator?

[valid jolt]

Umbra is an exception because he was created to have memories of his past life, while other frames didn’t

[nova harness]

And theirs Kullervo

[valid jolt]

Yea he’s also an exception

[pulsar merlin]

And Sargoth with his shadow acting independently.

[valid jolt]

That I’m not so sure

[pulsar merlin]

It was either it or him directly piloting the Tempestarii right?

I'm just saying, 3 seperate frames acting without an operator kinda shows that they may not really need the Tenno, we just use them as hosts for combat.

[valid jolt]

It’s been a while since I’ve played that quest, but iirc, the only reason his Shadow acted independently is because it was installed with a protocol to find rescue or something. But, again, I’m not so sure if I’m right

[balmy storm]

Minor correction, the gen 1 frames weren’t always on rampages but they were prone to going feral, it was after the insurrection that the Orokin finally decided to do something about it

[obtuse gyro]

One is a gen 1 frame, one is a special punishment, and the last is the remnant shadow summon.

All 3 are edge cases compared to the current gen 2 warframes

[pulsar merlin]

So that leaves us with still no answer to the question: "What moved the warframe during the second dream?", right?

My bets are Rule of Cool or Drifter lending help from beyond time since time is wobbly.

[obtuse gyro]

No concrete answer. It could be a transference outburst from the operator, it could be the warframe overcoming its transference bolt to save the operator, we just dont know which is which.

But the drifter thing is right out

Time may be wobbly, its not that wobbly

[chilly pine]

im assuming this is about the segment where you have to get out while carrying your operator? i just assumed the operator is kind of half and half between their body and the warframes

[obtuse gyro]

No its later than that in the quest, its the part where your warframe gets run through by war.

The segment youre talking about is fully operator using transference

[chilly pine]

ah, right at the end of the quest, still, i think its the most likely answer given what we know about everything.

[balmy storm]

I feel like it’s the frame overcoming transference, the Operator was kinda distracted in the moment but it also doesn’t really come up afterward so 🤷‍♀️

[near rune]

The Drifter thing definitely almost certainly was not the case when they made the quest (wayyy too long ago), but it's very interesting to consider as a retroactive explanation.
Personally I see it as a sort of survival instinct from the frame, a reflex almost.

[rain otter]

This is true but DE does plan thing out pretty far ahead. Like the parvos working with Wally thing was foreshadowed.

[near rune]

It's true, we can't rule anything out (probably shouldn't have said "definitely"). DE has an eye for the long game when it comes to broad strokes, but not necessarily small details. Still, Duviri was such a side-track narratively and it also changed multiple times in development, so very unlikely I think.

[rain otter]

I agree I just wanted to point it out.

[balmy storm]

Terraformed duviri my beloved 😭
Gone before we truly knew you

[rain otter]

Lmao

[wraith sigil]

Duviri used to be bigger right? According to Acrithis iirc

[balmy storm]

Yes, Thrax drops islands into the void whenever Wally makes a loud enough appearance
Which happened a lot

[near rune]

Used to have many more islands, yes.

[balmy storm]

The Duviri lore fragments go into them iirc

[wraith sigil]

The lost islands

[rain otter]

Yep the fragments are called the lost islands even.

[junior vine]

I forgot why he dropped them in

[junior vine]

Does anyone know what Teshin means by "If the void angels break through the wall their master will be free"

I'm always assuming it's Wally

[valid jolt]

If the Void Angels broke through the wall, Wally would finally be able to enter Duviri unconditionally

[valid jolt]

Yea

[valid jolt]

Which I’m predicting might happen wayyyy later down the line(aka Warframe Endgame)

[junior vine]

Also, is it true about when the last time the Zariman appeared in the origin system it was just fine?

[valid jolt]

Yea

It looks crazy now because it’s been in the Void for so long

[spice sparrow]

Crack theory: the gameplay Zariman is Drifter’s Zariman which never left the Void to begin with, whereas the story Zariman is Operator’s Zariman and has been dismantled after the rescue or something

[junior vine]

How would that work if there are void marks in the Zariman?

[thick jolt]

But the zariman arg talks about void powered children
And in drifters reality there was no deal

[spice sparrow]

I wasn’t there for that ARG, only the Fortuna one

[valid jolt]

Lol there was a discussion similar to this earlier. But that isn’t the case because Drifters Zariman is in Duviri, while the Tennos Zariman is on the other side. Plus, the Orokin let the Tennos Zariman rot in the Outer Terminus after they rescued them

[graceful zodiac]

All indications point to the Zariman being the Operators

[junior vine]

One question I still have though is what if we have the drifters Zariman instead of ours because ours looks more like the void had centuries instead of decades to infest the ship

I'm just saying it could be possible

[graceful zodiac]

From both the ARG recordings and the Holdfasts

[junior vine]

I'm just saying

[valid jolt]

The insides of both Zarimans probably look the same. You can even see the metallic Void stuff, that covers the inside of our Zariman, near the Zariman in Duviri

And yea the Holdfasts are also evidence of that Zariman being ours

[junior vine]

The hold fasts wouldve been on both

[balmy storm]

Not necessarily

We don’t know what caused them to manifest in the first place, just that they did on the Operator’s Zariman

[valid jolt]

Drifters Holdfasts probably succumbed to the Void Angels

[junior vine]

And then ours died defending the children

[thick jolt]

Well died in various ways

[balmy storm]

Also Drifter’s Zariman has always been stuck in Duviri’s sky where as Operator’s Zariman re-entered the void after the children were rescued and then reappeared in the Origin System due to Kira

The holdfasts are all of the Zarimans crew, all void manifested ghosts, all died in different ways (mostly children but also other insane adults)

[graceful zodiac]

They would've been both as crew, but these specially talk about the Tenno killing them

Or Quinn does specifically

[balmy storm]

There’s nothing that really suggests that Drifter’s Zariman has any holdfasts and if it did they succumbed to Wally’s song

[spice sparrow]

Imagine if we get to replay the incident but as a special Exterminate mission

[valid jolt]

That would be horrifying lol

[chilly pine]

interesting idea for a halloween type thing

[balmy storm]

Cause reliving trauma as a gamemode is totally a delicate way to handle children being forced to wipe out every adult they see.

[junior vine]

We got to replay the incident a bit during the new war

[balmy storm]

Absolutely horrifying

[balmy storm]

They mean after we get our powers when we had to go around killing adults just to survive

[nova harness]

Read the Rell webcomic

[valid jolt]

Annd then there’s the ARG videos, which are even worse

[nova harness]

Who was the dude in the ARG?

[valid jolt]

Don’t think his name was mentioned, but his wife’s was, iirc

[junior vine]

ARG?

[balmy storm]

AotZ had an ARG

[nova harness]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zariman_ARG

[valid jolt]

https://youtu.be/_qfOeI_t1ZU?si=TP2CJwFF_XnPyjuH

[spice sparrow]

I remember the Fortuna ARG

[balmy storm]

oh no
the wiki

[valid jolt]

What even was the Fortuna ARG? I didn’t start playing Warframe until 2020

[junior vine]

I started in 2021

[spice sparrow]

An ARG that first teased Fortuna

It was before the whole thing was announced iirc

It lasted until Fortuna’s release

I think there was a whole Discord dedicated to it

Like an official one

[chilly pine]

wonder if well get another arg, probably not

[graceful zodiac]

DE did make a separate discord for the Fortuna ARG

[spice sparrow]

1999 ARG when

(Or the next story point after 1999)

[valid jolt]

That would be amazing

I have cope

[chilly pine]

actually, that couldve been cool, an arg for wispers/1999

[nova harness]

Jade Shadows ARG when?

[spice sparrow]

Still bummed about having missed the Zariman ARG

[spice sparrow]

It’s kinda too late for that, we’re like a week before release

[valid jolt]

Lol It was super chaotic, but in a good way. The puzzles were pretty fun too

[balmy storm]

You would not have missed the komi puzzles

[valid jolt]

Every person who knew Binary Code finally had their moment to shine

[spice sparrow]

Y’all had to play go??

[balmy storm]

All i remember is komi

[valid jolt]

There was Komi, Ciphers, Binary Code translations, and a riddle too about the Moon

And some other things I probably forgot

[nova harness]

All I remember from the Zariman ARG is a lot of fear

[valid jolt]

Oh yea the Zariman Logs especially

[balmy storm]

What was the moon riddle?
The mirror princess story?

[nova harness]

Was the new Starlord video even related to lore?

[valid jolt]

Yea

[nova harness]

How?

[valid jolt]

The Princess Story was something different. You just had to go through the story and at the end was a binary code of numbers like 110011101 etc which had to be translated. The moon riddle was like the last puzzle in order to unlock the stream that had the last log. The answer is probably on the wiki somewhere

[balmy storm]

Ah

[valid jolt]

The Princess Story was on a website that was weendaswebegan.com or something

[valid jolt]

Well it talks about everything related to the Zariman

[thick jolt]

Yup I am still in it

[thick jolt]

Also the website looked like warframe's old website

[nova harness]

Can people still join it?

[thick jolt]

I have no idea

[valid jolt]

Is it still up? Because that would be funny lol

[thick jolt]

Hmmm yeah no prompts for invites nywhere

[thick jolt]

Maybe? They do keep these things around for a while.

[valid jolt]

Awww it doesn’t rip. But I found the twitch lol

Kinda depressing to look at their last live

[nova harness]

They got turned into Angels

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

At least they had twitch in their final moments

[near rune]

Oh man. The komi thing was such a cool puzzle but it was tripped up because there was a typo on DE's side that made it impossible to actually solve. But what a creative puzzle!

For those who weren't there, you had to solve komi games to find 5 sets of coordinates and there was a legend that translated the coordinates to letters. There was a small typo in the coordinate legend but people got it through process of elimination anyway.

[tawdry socket]

look I despise Fandom Wiki with a passion but this is quite literally all we have

but for what it's worth the contributors to this one seem half decent

[nova harness]

No it isn’t https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[spice sparrow]

There’s another one for lore

But for gameplay we do only have Fandom

And moving 11 years worth of info would be way too much effort

So we’re kinda stuck with it

[tawdry socket]

This is specifically for lore tho as Naptec says

[near rune]

Other communities have done it. I think RuneScape is the biggest one.

[tawdry socket]

Quite a few did, but there's so many issues with moving to a new platform not including how awful Fandom makes the process

[prime lantern]

For gameplay the wiki is generally fine

For lore though it's generally not

[junior vine]

How'd the other children aboard the Zariman get the void abilities even though only us. The tenno made the deal?

If we gave Drusus 10 billion credits would we even have Dante Unbound?

[pliant saffron]

Corpus are greedy so probably

Like a 2 week delay

[junior vine]

What about 100q

[pliant saffron]

3

[junior vine]

HOW WOULD THAT BE A 3 WEEK DELAY

The Corpus would have all the credits they ever needed

[pliant saffron]

It was garbage week

[junior vine]

100 Quadrillion credits?
That's more than enough

[pliant saffron]

Hmmmm executive year end bonus in 6 weeks

[junior vine]

💀

[pliant saffron]

Lol

[prime lantern]

Who do you think "all of them" is?

[silent lantern]

imagine a 40k tyranid adapting to a warframe

[valid jolt]

Mahoraga would also be interesting to see

[flat magnet]

Shouldn’t be too hard, wouldn’t the issue be the number of things to adapt to rather than the adaptation to the attack

[prime lantern]

Also mahoragas adaptation arnt immediately just taking less damage

[valid jolt]

Well yea true. A frame could just one shot him before he can adapt

But if they don’t then ig that’s when trouble starts

[graceful zodiac]

Not really, we have enough frame variety to dunk on Big Raga as many times as needed

[prime lantern]

I mean it also depends on how raga adapts

His adaptation let's him adapt on a much broader scale for example adapting to being cut rather than cleave and dismantle

So if he adapts to void energies as a broader stroke rather than what's in front of him then who knows

[tawdry socket]

The deal was that "I can save them. All of them! But you have to want it" meaning everyone was part of the deal, not just the protagonist-tenno personally

[junior vine]

Do we know the actual ranking of Albrecht within the orokin hierarchy

[pulsar merlin]

Can someone clear this up for me?

During TNW, we were playing as the Drifter during the events of Natah's revival until the handshake and subsequent swapping of places by the Operator during Natah's attack, right?

For some reason I had just assumed the Operator had changed clothes to hide in plain sight, but the statement about not yet having gotten the powers and then the full swap at that fight got me confused.

[junior vine]

It's because the tenno was brought back into the universe

[thick jolt]

To be clear drifter and operator are not the same

Drifter is from a timeline where there was no deal with the man in the wall and thus the zariman was never rescued, which led to even more trauma and subsequent creation of duviri.

So yeah drifter indeed didnt have powers until the loophole handshake between drifter and operator gave them powers

The lotus choice cutscene at the end also shows pretty well that now drifter and operator now coexist

[ocean void]

https://tenor.com/view/rush-hour-you-and-me-me-and-you-yu-mee-gif-6521388707144075848

kinda same energy

[jovial bison]

Oh man! Really cool look at what we're gonna see! Looks like maybe we'll have an open world city??

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-albrecht-entrati-you-are-late-whispers-in-the-walls-gif-14925983810522853958

[valid jolt]

https://youtu.be/IbU6ShhUV90?si=uUf2uOizED7-qfSV

No new stuff unfortunately:/

[nova harness]

Free AK good enough

[valid jolt]

Guess so

[covert tree]

Please give me proto volt maybe there'll be more protos for the old starters probably not that'd make no sense but at least give me proto volt

[balmy storm]

There is new stuff wdym
New weapon

[balmy storm]

Why wouldn’t that make sense?
Excal and Mag already have protos, proto volt makes sense

[covert tree]

No I meant the old starters like proto loki etc

[balmy storm]

Ah, there could be

[pale ravine]

Wonder how many there'll be

[balmy storm]

It’ll depend on what 1999 exactly will be gameplay-wise
It’d make sense that every frame has a proto for gameplay purposes but that’s a lot of work

Or, maybe not as much work
Considering warframes use a helmet system it might not be that hard to slap a human head on any of the frames, so a 1999 model is all that’s needed and the complexity of that may vary wildly
They could also have some at launch, the starters and some of the first frames and then later add more

If every frame does somehow get a proto I’m curious how they’ll do proto-xaku

[pale ravine]

3 guys in a trench-coat

with a proto-wisp they could maybe give her prosthetic feet? or have her floating as usual

[covert tree]

I'd say they might only do core frames

[pale ravine]

I think that's most likely

[nova harness]

I just want Albrechts coat

[rain otter]

Loki wouldn't be fun.

Do you know how much playing loki sucks? Our current 3 starters like all kill things and play warframe like they are supposed to.

[balmy storm]

Dont forget his hat

[balmy storm]

Loki rework for loki proto

[rain otter]

I want calveros outift.

[balmy storm]

I want Yonta’s

[nova harness]

I want all Operator outfits that exist to be added to Drifter

[rain otter]

Loki's abilities are literally from a whole different game basically. Like he needs all his abilities to do something else.

Like literally.

[nova harness]

Was Lokis abilities before bullet jump?

[rain otter]

Yes

His decoy is the closest to being good.

[nova harness]

They need to give him better abilities

[balmy storm]

Then he gets a rework

I’d say some other frames are more worthy of a rework rn
Chroma, Equinox, Caliban…

At least loki was good once, poor Caliban ):

[rain otter]

Caliban is the closest to being void he feels like just a number change fixes him.

[rain otter]

Also yeah chroma is funny cuz anytime he is good the game is in a bad place.

Same with pre rework inaros.

[balmy storm]

Idk, I feel like his kit is just needs another look at it general
Maybe it is just a number change idk

[rain otter]

Also Vauban should be on this list. He's so bad like I swear people only like he cuz "WOO TRAIN MAN I watch that one youtuber once"

[rain otter]

His abilities can be less clunky but I don't think it's as bad as the other two you mentioned.

[balmy storm]

I thought he was good rn?
Clunky maybe but I thought he was okay

[balmy storm]

Caliban’s up there for me just cause he’s never been good

Like day 1 Caliban is day whatever we’re on Caliban
Man needs something

[rain otter]

Good at what? He is like the worst CC frame ever.

He's like if you played bad frost.

Trinity also needs help and so does Oberon those are like also in dire need.

[balmy storm]

Idk I dont play him lol

Trinity and Oberon def need updates too, Trinity especially to me
Got her prime when I came back to the game and I’ve literally never had a reason to touch her ever

[rain otter]

Yep

[balmy storm]

Poor trinity 😔

[rain otter]

Like hydroid was F before his re-work and now like Vabuan is F tier to me. Like I swear all his fans literally like him just cuz "train man"

[near rune]

If they do proto-frames of every warframe (which I doubt) the entire fandom will have the exact same arguments we had about Prime frames before Varzia set us straight (and those arguments are still happening sometimes lol)

"We can't have proto-Valkyr because she wasn't like that before Alad V"

[flat magnet]

I’m only confused with how the original frames came to be, coincidence that they just happen to be infected with the same strain infested strain that turned their skin metal?

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, but most of those can still reasonably work
Xaku’s the only case I see that merits “how is that gonna work” due to them being a skeleton
As a person they can def be androgynous and just go by they/them but ability-wise and physically idk how that works since. Skeleton

[prime lantern]

They were infected with helminth

There skin becoming metal is intentional

[balmy storm]

The question isn’t how the original frames came to be, we know that
It should be where the heck did the infestation come from?

Rogue government experiment or something else entirely?
We shall see 🤫

[flat magnet]

Oooh so they were closer to infested looking things with abilities (at least the ones that weren’t made)

Wasn’t it initially something they made to fight off the sentients?

[balmy storm]

Yes

Warframes I mean, not the infestation

[flat magnet]

I meant the infestation

[balmy storm]

The infestation’s origins aren’t known at all

[flat magnet]

Huh I could’ve sworn it was cultivated to fight off the sentients but they became out of control and the moons that are covered in infestation were areas that weren’t dealt with properly

[balmy storm]

The infestation predates Warframes and sentients iirc

It goes as far back as the radiation wars
So

[flat magnet]

Yeah just looked it up, the origin hasn’t been stated but they were initially used to fight the sentients before warframes maybe even before nechramechs too but that’s speculation

[balmy storm]

The infestation is def good against the infestation, can’t really adapt to being completely overwhelmed and consumed

Or maybe they can but it’s too difficult
Would be interesting to see an infested sentient, if that’s even possible

[flat magnet]

Question is would the infested sentient gain the ability to adapt, if it did then it should also suggest that the sentient should’ve been able to adapt against the infestation in the first place so how would it become infested

[balmy storm]

🤷‍♀️

[nova harness]

I thought they cancel each other out

[balmy storm]

Def seems more that way

One fully adapts the other fully overwhelms, eternal stalemate so the sentient must leave

Technically the infestation should be able to fight longer than a sentient too since sentients are just fancy robots

[flat magnet]

I wonder if the original sentient design looked like what they do now or they eventually changed their own design themselves

[nova harness]

Some can change their appearance

They are called mimics

[balmy storm]

Not all of them?

[nova harness]

Wdym?

Did you think all Sentients are mimics?

[flat magnet]

I’m talking about the general sentient design / aesthetic and if they were designed like that originally by the corpus scientist or if they eventually evolved and changed their own appearance over time

[balmy storm]

No, I’m saying they aren’t all mimics

[nova harness]

I said some I never said all

[junior vine]

I actually just went and rewatched Erra in prelude to war and I noticed Wally's eyes of the tenno form he has on the tenno as they're attacking Erra

[nova harness]

It was him giving us a vision of the past

[junior vine]

And what we know from the Natah voicelines in the ropalolyst boss fight is that Natah herself is a mimic

[junior vine]

Yeah, because before we started spying on the sentient's talking in Praghasa we had the eyes but then we came back to our actual reality, and that was just a vision from the helmet wasn't it?

[nova harness]

Pretty much

[junior vine]

Honestly at this point warframe has more lore than fnaf

[nova harness]

lol

[junior vine]

Isn't Praghasa the mother of Erra and Natah?

[balmy storm]

Warframe’s lore feels more comprehendable than fnaf’s
Probably cause they had more of a plan lol

[balmy storm]

Yes

[junior vine]

Yeah

[junior vine]

I was guessing that especially from the last scene of prelude to war

[balmy storm]

You would be correct

[valid jolt]

I meant new stuff as in new shots of the quest

[junior vine]

Jade Shadows won't be released until the 18th

[balmy storm]

Oh, I think there was some but nothing major, they’re saving that for tennocon

[valid jolt]

1999 is what I was talking about. They showed a few new shots during the Tennocon trailer for Duviri, so I expected there to be some new ones in this years trailer

[balmy storm]

We’ll probably get the usual stuff with tennocon, a look at what 1999 actually is, another more in depth trailer and the release date

[junior vine]

This theory dark siege created is honestly quite interesting with the orphix venom stuff

He's saying that the commands she was talking about spelled I Am Dying. Not saying that's false especially after the new war

[balmy storm]

The Lotus?

[junior vine]

Natah at the time during Oprhix Venom

[balmy storm]

She wasn’t dying until Ballas stabbed her, Drifter finds her hand, escapes Duviri and she starts regrowing from her hand into an eidolon, then she gets the archon shards and is fine

Ballas did do something else prior to stabbing her to but that’s not important since it’s been remedied since the new war

[junior vine]

Yeah, could have something to do with Erra slamming her into the core of praghasa

I'm still wondering if Vor made a deal with Wally

[balmy storm]

That was to reignite praghasa

[junior vine]

Yeah, which took her energy

[balmy storm]

Possibly yes

Either way she good now, or as good as she can be

[junior vine]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

Maybe

Imagine if he comes a powerful boss later on

[junior vine]

I'm wondering because how else would he have became part of the void after death?

If the worm queen never did

[valid jolt]

Janus Key

[junior vine]

But how would vor have gotten the Janus key?

[valid jolt]

It could come back up later on because the Janus god in mythology is like a gate keeper between worlds

[junior vine]

And he even says "the wall of bone" has recognized him

[valid jolt]

From some random Orokin derelict or something

[junior vine]

And I'm sure we know who the wall of bone is

[tawdry socket]

I thought pepsi-man was volt proto?

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not a theory thats actually what happened. The lotus was indeed spelling out I am dying

[rain otter]

he always had one.

[thick jolt]

DE is using proto frame as a term to refer to the hybrids albrecht made in 1999, so far we know arthur and aoi

[rain otter]

with current like

Helminth tech. I hate the term proto frame.

[tawdry socket]

So the old proto skins for Excal and Volt are just relegated to being lame deluxe skins?

[thick jolt]

Looks like it

[tawdry socket]

Curious

[junior vine]

They aren't proto frames they're literal half man half warframes, albrecht even says it. They aren't proto frames they don't have the proto designs

[thick jolt]

https://youtu.be/_Nk6fzEETYI?si=yX0aRKbVcEQph6Pe

Its pretty much in the title @junior vine

[junior vine]

Still doesn't help the fact they aren't the proto designs

[balmy storm]

Arthur and Aoi are literally protoframes lol

[junior vine]

So can we even refer to them as protoframes?

[balmy storm]

Yes… thats what they are

[thick jolt]

Proto excal skin is just a throwback to dark sector

[balmy storm]

And proto volt is just a deluxe

The proto skins =/= protoframes

[thick jolt]

Arthur, aoi and possibly whoever has a volt design are actual in lore protoframes

And besides arguing with us wont change the fact that DE has decided to call them that

[balmy storm]

^

[junior vine]

Unless the reason they're called protoframes is because they're the designs of the first warframes idk how it makes sense because proto means first

[balmy storm]

That still doesn’t invalidate the proto skins

[thick jolt]

I see this as just DE using a term cause it sounds cool and vaguely connects with it being a pre warframe stage

[balmy storm]

One’s a reference
The other is just a skin
The protoframes are humans who haven’t fully transformed, we’ll get more info with 1999 ofc

[balmy storm]

That too

They keep referencing time travel with 1999 and it will undoubtedly give us some insight into the past, what it is exactly is however not known

Also them being called protoframes could just refer to how they haven’t been consumed fully by the infestation, they still have control (for now)

[thick jolt]

Gotta wait till tennocon for a teaser .... and then a couple of months for actual release with full context

[balmy storm]

But in terms of timeline they did not come first

[balmy storm]

Yup! The hype is real

[obtuse gyro]

Proto means before not first.

The protoframes are literally the stage before being full warframes

[pale ravine]

Proto does mean first

[near rune]

Yeah etymologically it does mean first lol

[thick jolt]

while the greek origin of the prefix does mean necessarily first, it isn't used only to mean first, it can mean early, or anterior

[prime lantern]

They can't be this because causally the warframes come first

[junior vine]

The fact that it proves how heartless the grineer are in the trailer for lua's prey

[graceful zodiac]

What does?

[junior vine]

How the worm acts

While she's playing the cards

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, yes? The Grineer Queens have always been amoral monsters

[junior vine]

But shows more how the grineer in general can be heartless

[thick jolt]

Worm threatening to send grineer to become a part of their brothers clone slurry diet isn't exactly stand up comedy either

[junior vine]

True

I miss the old void dash

And then the void blast you had to use to stun things instead of the new void dash

[balmy storm]

I prefer the abilities over the blast but I do wish there was a focus school or arcane that changed the sling to a dash

notably they really need to redo teshin’s voiceline about dashing during the war within since we don’t dash anymore lol

[warm anvil]

they need to fix a lot of the timing for dialogue and transitions overall

for new war and before that

[balmy storm]

What do they need to fix in the new war?

[warm anvil]

classroom scene when they fail the void jump

it's very delayed now compared to on release

[balmy storm]

I was watching my friend play and didnt really notice it

Def something you should bug report though

[warm anvil]

the white flash sort of fades in when it's supposed to be an explosion

ye maybe i will

[prime lantern]

I think her trying to blow up many civilian encampments from orbit is worse

[junior vine]

True

[plain onyx]

oh crap, we gonna be able to play as stalker on june 18???

[plain onyx]

aha, about time i get to know what this "human mag" looks like

[ocean void]

Nope, your getting lore of Stalker and play the new frame called Jade

If you want to play Stalker, you got be max instinct with Opportunity in the Durivi

[warm anvil]

new war was so sad... cant believe i was forced to fight the ventkids..

[plain onyx]

balls

[balmy storm]

Jade Shadows (the quest) will let us play as Stalker

[ocean void]

I was thinking the elevator scene of throwing canister to get Jade

I didn’t see a stalker quest

[balmy storm]

There’s going to be a quest about stalker lol

Jade Shadows, the quest, is about Stalker

We’ll be playing as Stalker during it

[ocean void]

I thought Jade Shadow is the update name

[balmy storm]

It is, but its the update name because of the quest

[ocean void]

But is it Like Dagath or Dante unbound

[balmy storm]

Like how every other update with a major quest is

[balmy storm]

No, neither had quests

[ocean void]

Yeah, that’s why I thought Jade Shadow is the same

[nova harness]

Jade, Shadows Stalker

[balmy storm]

Yes, they are
Jade shadows is the quest and update name

[nova harness]

Both Stalker and Jade is technically in the quest name

[plain onyx]

O HELL YEA

[balmy storm]

It seems like it’ll only be during the quest which that’ll probably explain why lore-wise
But we’ll take it

[plain onyx]

duck it man idc, i get to goof around as THE edgy himself

[balmy storm]

In theory we could scan Stalker to rebuild a copy of him but depending on what exactly he is that’s probably a bad idea
Like how Umbra instantly tried to kill us but way worse

[plain onyx]

tho i imagine it's probably gonna be exactly just like playing excal or umbra

[plain onyx]

wait, wouldn't that technically make, TWO stalkers?

[balmy storm]

Nah, go unlock Stalker in Duviri
He’s like ash on steroids

[ocean void]

hmm, I didn’t see that

[plain onyx]

😦

[balmy storm]

Yes, which would be a horrible idea for us anyway
So we shouldn’t make another stalker even if that is hypothetically possible

[plain onyx]

an army of stalkers, either they all try to kill each other or we're SCREWED 🗿

[balmy storm]

The devs have stated we’ll be playing as Stalker during the quest
It takes place from his perspective and is lore about him, not us

[nova harness]

Jade Shadows Stalker

[balmy storm]

In theory if we really wanted our own inert Stalkerframe we could scan the one in Duviri as it seems to be a different one from our Stalker

[nova harness]

We can’t use scanners in Duviri though

[plain onyx]

so what, there really are more than 1 stalkers? (im not talking about the stalker abomination looking ahh frames)

[balmy storm]

I’m aware, it’s theoretical lol

[plain onyx]

stalker and shadow stalker right?? so they AREN'T really the same dudes???

[nova harness]

No, he’s there because of what happened in New War

[balmy storm]

Technically there’s two stalkers
Our Stalker (which is also Shadow Stalker) and Duviri Stalker, whom’s origins are not clear other than he’s not the one from the Operator’s universe

[ocean void]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/13lj32y/someone_playing_as_stalker_in_the_star_chart/

[balmy storm]

Likely some conceptual embodiment

[ocean void]

good old stalker bug

[plain onyx]

wonder why stalker wasn't wearing his sentient armor that hunhow gave him in the new war

[ocean void]

Or how about this

[plain onyx]

what?? duviri stalker?? so he's from the drifter's??

[balmy storm]

Whats that helmet?

[ocean void]

Revenant prime

[nova harness]

Stalker is actually on the list of Warframes

[balmy storm]

The frames are from the paradox (Operator) so Duviri’s playable Stalker is likely from the Operator too
If I had to guess they conceptually embody them into existence or it’s just another case of the void spitting them out cause sure why not

[ocean void]

Become one with the group Ducky

[balmy storm]

We have zero info on Drifter’s origin system timeline

[balmy storm]

We love stalker

[plain onyx]

is it impossible for the stalker that's trying to kill us and this "friendly" stalker to meet?

[nova harness]

It’s probably mostly the same anyway up until Zariman disaster

[balmy storm]

It’s incredibly unlikely, also the “friendly” isn’t friendly, it’s just a normal Stalker warframe
Its the biggest evidence towards Stalker being a frame, but ours is different for reasons we will probably find out

[balmy storm]

It would be exactly the same in theory up until the disaster

[plain onyx]

so drifter universe stalker is basically an empty husk for us to control

[balmy storm]

Like any other Warframe yes
Also we dont know if its from Drifter’s universe or not, the frames and weapons are from Operator’s universe / the void so that Stalker likely is too

If I had to guess our Stalker doesn’t have a transference bolt but Duviri stalker does for whatever reason
And we’ll find out why our Stalker isn’t feral after all this time, likely due to his hate but we’ll see in time

[nova harness]

This is the biggest evidence

[plain onyx]

interesting, and yall say that in jade shadows update, we will get to play as the real stalker (the one that wants to kill us) even for a short while, does that mean he would function differently from duviri stalker?

[balmy storm]

I mean. That’s just for statistics
It’s more so the fact we control him like any other frame that supports him being a frame at all lol

[balmy storm]

He’ll likely function the same, his kit is really fun tbh

Hope you enjoy Stalker’s weapons too cause that’s all we’ll be using in the quest (probably)

Def using Hate

[nova harness]

Duviri Stalker doesn’t have Shadow powers

[plain onyx]

either way, jade shadows is a blessing for people like me that wants to play as stalker but don't want to grind crap lol

[balmy storm]

He has teleport and also isn’t shadow stalker
So

[balmy storm]

Tbh Duviri Stalker is worth the grind
It def helps if you enjoy Duviri though

[plain onyx]

i guess, too bad the flames of my motivation to grind on something burned out a long time ago, i mean, i literally just used plat on ALL of my prime frames/weapons

i just play casually these days, scamming people with ayatans for plat

[balmy storm]

I didn’t really grind it tbh, just had fun in Duviri
I love exploring and the rogue like elements of it
Plus it’s just beautiful (given the right mood)

Duviri’s launch had me fully pulled in
Whenever I go back it’s mostly for fun or maybe if I need some stuff, but I tend to stay for an hour or two cause I just find it fun

[nova harness]

I still need to get all the lore fragments I’ve not unlocked all stories fully yet

Just a few

[balmy storm]

Same 😶

[ocean void]

The Durivi one?

[nova harness]

What other place has lore fragments lol

[ocean void]

the wall in Albert lab?

[nova harness]

You mean the whispers fights?

[ocean void]

Yeah

[prime lantern]

He'd need a new kit tbh 2 of his abilities are just other abilities

He has marked for death and ashs invis

[balmy storm]

Nah its fine

He isn’t for normal gameplay so its fiiiine

Plus he already has an excal body, let him borrow more lol

[covert tree]

He just uses and abuses his helminth

[balmy storm]

Or he was just made that way

Or it was just easier to reuse some abilities for a frame we dont really get to play in normal gameplay that often, especially when they thematically fit

Marked for Death could actually just be Stalker’s ability stored within Helminth

[covert tree]

Eh it's just stalker

[umbral fjord]

on the tennocon page on this image we can see a part of the city’s environment, does anyone recognize what type of city is that

[undone lodge]

You mean like the country/area?

[thick jolt]

Second dream, in the new war and jade shadows trailer stalker is interestingly not using the armor or war

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t the little prelude discuss why he doesn’t use the war?
He prefer his Hate

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[plain onyx]

guess he would just feel alot more like himself if he uses his own kits instead of the ones that hunhow gave him

[umbral fjord]

yes

[wicked iron]

It would be funny if it was Montreal in Quebec, or something. An old city in Canada. Could be a European one too, though.

[balmy storm]

If they take inspiration from dark sector at all it’d be european iirc

Really wherever there could be a mall lol

Or subway rather
Not mall

[wicked iron]

I really hope we get an official tie-in with Dark Sector in 1999. 😮 PLISS ME WANTY

[balmy storm]

Like a promotional tie in or?

Cause dark sector is in a different universe than warframe entirely

[covert tree]

Maybe it's a game cannon in warframe

[balmy storm]

I could see that tbh

Isn’t it referenced on one of the 1999 posters?
If yes then it’s real in some aspect

[covert tree]

Yeah so yippee

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait to find out what 1999 really is
Really feel like them referencing time travel is a red herring since strands of khra and conceptual embodiment have been set up more
Though we do have some form of time travel on Lua so who knows
Maybe its all of the above too 🤷‍♀️

[undone lodge]

I think it’s gonna be a mix

[thick jolt]

Movie poster in the 1999 segment of whispers

There should be screenshots of it somehwere on the internet

[amber terrace]

A wild idea that’s probably never gonna happen: It would be really cool if the AX-52 rifle was an incarnon

It would probably boost it beyond just MR fodder and a cool exclusive weapon to have on your profile until Baro brings it in like a year or so

[prime raptor]

AX-52 transform into AK-630 incarnon form

[pliant saffron]

Wouldn't be too much a stretch, storywise

[scarlet basalt]

one thing on the tennocon trailer is that they've changed the infestation sound on death
For example it feels more...Human ?

[pliant saffron]

They did have tvs fused with them... maybe pulling a bumblebee?

[scarlet basalt]

Can’t wait to find out what 1999 really is
Since there is leon kennedy VA... Expect one of the weirdest update 😭 Imagine pairing RE and warframe lmaooo

[tawdry socket]

Wait Leon S Kennedy's VA too??????

[pliant saffron]

Re and warframe.... I mean infested in this time line.....

[tawdry socket]

Are you sure you're not confusing Arthur's VA with Ben Starr, voice of Clive from ff16?

[scarlet basalt]

Actually, there's really leon kennedy VA LMAOOO

DE pulling out famous VA for 1999 really make me think that it will be even weirder than whispers in the walls
And it would make sense given that we will hear the voice of kallymos (which would make sense because she is technically a cavia, but no one said anything about if she can speak or not iirc)

THE CAR HAS 6 BACKLIGHT ???

[thick jolt]

it's probably the same type of car albrecht stole and put in a jar

[amber terrace]

This just in! Famous experimental doctor and polymath Albrecht Entrati arrested for serial grand theft auto. More at 7, back to you, John

[scarlet basalt]

don't say something like that ever again

[thick jolt]

But he did you can find a giant jar in the labs with a bunch of cars floating

[amber terrace]

So how many times did Albrecht commute to and from 1999? I looked in the Netracells and there’s an amount of items from 1999, namely Arthur’s Skana(not pictured) and the AX-52

[thick jolt]

Enough times to hatch whatever plan he has

[amber terrace]

What if a part of his plan needs real money and he decides to replicate and sell his hat on DE’s merch store? That would be so cool

I would buy a hat for my hat if that was the case

[scarlet basalt]

Albretch stealing weaponry 😍

[rain otter]

I mean we know from his logs at least 2 times cuz he goes there and treats people during the "plague year"

[scarlet basalt]

Mire lore

What if mire was the central part of 1999

what if mire was 1999

[ocean void]

how sure we know that AX-52 wasn’t recently added in that lab

I seen the Skana but not the rifle

[balmy storm]

Because its always been there?

[ocean void]

How sure are we that DE added a late addition

[balmy storm]

Very, all of these have been here
Only one I dont recognize is the infested mass but I may have missed it due to lower graphic settings or just overlooking it

[junior vine]

The pager over by the edge of the world kinda reminds me of Jurrassic park

[rain otter]

These have all been there. We talked about them in lore. I have old screenshots of them. @ocean void

[balmy storm]

Same

[ocean void]

that’s where I got them from

[balmy storm]

[rain otter]

[ocean void]

Well….. a little in here as well

[junior vine]

The little orokin looking thing is there because it's Albrecht's

[balmy storm]

I mean, its all his now
He took these items from 1999 and duviri

[ocean void]

now I think about it, is it a random percentage drop in the room?

[rain otter]

I know. I mean all the stuff is his.

[balmy storm]

No

[ocean void]

I didn’t even see the hat in the pic

[balmy storm]

Albrecht’s mask

[rain otter]

That's from his old outfit though yeah.

Yeah.

From his like Diemos look.

[junior vine]

Yeah

Bird 3 is such a dork

[balmy storm]

More than deimos
That’s his appearance overall in terms of public imagery, aside from the painting
Statues of him like that are visible on the Zariman (and the Undercroft) and it features in the awakening cinematic cutscene, behind where the tenno leave their frames

[rain otter]

Yeah the only other thing wr got later was the picture. Even in the picture he js holding the mask.

[balmy storm]

Mhm

[nova harness]

Bro loves his mask

[valid jolt]

Anyone got any guesses on why Aoi likes origami?

[balmy storm]

Its fun 🤷‍♀️

Also an example of how much control she has with her magnetic powers
And also just looks cool

[valid jolt]

That’s true

[junior vine]

Just like how Arthur has a sword

Shows his mastery of his swordsmanship, I believe they have an item that shows their control over their abilities

[rain otter]

I'm with Ducky its just a fun style also her hips are something.

Also also I guess this ties into the new suit we got that was origami.

[balmy storm]

Makes me wonder what proto volt might have

[formal grove]

what are the chances that Jade Shadows will have Stalky Walky go back to his old form so I can get those scans and finish the assassin section of the Codex?

[ocean void]

There is that proto volt concept for April fools in #fan-art

[balmy storm]

🤷‍♀️

Depends on what happens lore-wise

[formal grove]

I mean, considering that cutscenes show he isn't wearing Hunhow's gifts anymore from New War onwards...

[valid jolt]

Does Aoi have somatics on her face?

[valid jolt]

Lol

[rain otter]

Arthur also looks good.

[balmy storm]

No?

I’m not even sure how double transference would work-

[pliant saffron]

Honestly I see ivara with the legs and the one arm guard

[valid jolt]

I swear these look like somatics

[pliant saffron]

At minimum, mag plating for a helmet

[valid jolt]

I could see that

[balmy storm]

There isn’t enough of them to be somatics
Nor would it make sense for her to have them since Arthur doesn’t have them and I doubt they’re using transference

[pliant saffron]

I'd like to point out, atleast for us, somatics are purely cosmetic and you can choose not to have any

And that may be a new one or the hair is blocking the rest of it

[valid jolt]

Maybe somatics are used for something else in 1999