spoiler-chat

[red holly]

oh is it skilll based?

[nova harness]

Quests nerf enemies

[red holly]

oh maaan

i use soma atomos(mostly as primer or aoe for lower levels) and skiajati

[nova harness]

Your weapons won’t matter much either

[red holly]

welll then

im going in

[nova harness]

You’ll find out why when you start playing

I recommend not rushing

It’s got loads of fun things that happen

Btw you can take breaks in between sections

[red holly]

im excited and nevous

[red holly]

yea it says it in the contracts

im a lore guy so i probably will be paying attention to every detail

[nova harness]

Your the first player to actually understand the contract

Well it seems

I understood it

Many players ask why they can’t leave

[red holly]

💀

[viscid quarry]

Wait you didn’t take 2 days?

The red veil do practice torture and i have vitrica

[red holly]

THEY HIT THE SOUTH TOWER

[viscid quarry]

Btw I’ll tell you something

When the time comes and the choices upon you, there will be no voice that matters but what you think is best

[red holly]

BRUH I MAKE CHOICES AGAIN?

I HATED IT IN THE OLD WAR

[nova harness]

It took me a hotfix to actually finish the quest as it gave me PC controls at one point scene near the end I won’t say rn

[viscid quarry]

Choice is the spice of life

And if I am the demon in informing you that then I am an honest one Atleast

[viscid quarry]

I just took two days at the final bit as it softlocked

[nova harness]

Old War had choices?

[red holly]

idk if its the old war exactly

[nova harness]

War Within?

[red holly]

but im talkign abt the one with the greneer queen and teshin

[nova harness]

Old War was a cinematic

[craggy solstice]

I think a lot of MMORPG's offer choices?

[nova harness]

Mac has Loid been updated to finally tackle scams or it just me?

[craggy solstice]

Dyno's been having some issues lately, should be better now.

[red holly]

LITTLE ORDIS IS SO CUUUUTE

[valid jolt]

Yes

[nova harness]

Trashcan Prime

[ocean void]

Is that toilet paper?

[craggy burrow]

Yes bro I am main sevagoth, how did you know?

[sand frost]

anyone know the next prime release?

[balmy storm]

likely Xaku Prime

[sand frost]

I see, what about his signature weapon?

any guess for 3 big candidate other than quassus?

[balmy storm]

no, I'm not sure what other weapons they could have

it might depend on how they explain Xaku Prime
likely conceptual embodiment like Revenant Prime

[rain otter]

Their.

[sand frost]

=_=" I forgot Xaku is many embodiement, thanks for updating minor details

[red holly]

ive been stuck here for the past 10 minutes what im i supposed to do?

I FIGURED IT OUT

IM SO SMART

[nova harness]

Only took you 10 minutes

[red holly]

MMHM

damn lotus just called ballas short

BALLAS SAID THE THE B WORD

BALLAS YOU CANT SAY THAT

[nova harness]

He can just not in this server

[red holly]

he died

deserved

lotus got new drip

[nova harness]

You seen the man yet?

[red holly]

i just saw a big statue with alota arms if that the one ur talkign abt

ill continue the cinematic now

[nova harness]

Man in the Wall

[red holly]

jojo?

[nova harness]

Literally

Man in the Wall with a grin like a skull

[red holly]

i chose margulis

[nova harness]

I chose Lotus and bought the Margulis skin

[red holly]

wooo free stuff

[nova harness]

You can customise Lotus

Well Margulis is your case

[red holly]

yea i read the thing before pressing confirm

[viscid quarry]

Ok then although I will say that it is forever permanent

Also if you want I have the requiem poem ready to share

[nova harness]

They are a Warframe player that actually reads so they probably are well aware

[viscid quarry]

Just in case

[ocean void]

wait, we can read?

[nova harness]

Some of us

Most can’t

[zenith jewel]

Ordis good.

[sacred flint]

i read the simaris texts

loved some of them

[green crow]

did we all collectively choose lotus or did anyone choose something else

[strong tartan]

Can smn please explain to me why Ballas hated the tenno so much in tnw?

[strong tartan]

I chose natah cuz why not also I got lotus along with natah

[valid jolt]

Because his crush those them over him

[ocean void]

Cause we received love from Lotus that he doesn’t

[balmy storm]

Margulis loved us more than she loved him, she paid more attention to us, fought for us, he didn’t like that

Probably cause he’s used to having things go his way, he’s an Orokin, they revered themselves as gods and Ballas was no different
Heck he even betrayed the Orokin, he thought he was above everybody

[strong tartan]

I mean his anger has some logic to it
Ofc not "make a solar system spanning empire" level of logic but.......

Also another new war question: so ik that the drifter is the variant of the operator that didn't take the deal with the man in the wall so he got stuck in the jump.....then how did he interact with anything in the world if he was stuck on the zariman? If he's an alternate variant shouldn't he be in an alternate universe? How is he in the same universe?

[ocean void]

Durivi logic of Drifter

did you do Durivi quest after TNW?

Cause if you do before, you won’t be able to get a connection of what happened after Durivi

[strong tartan]

I did the duviri quest before tnw but like I don't even understand the timeline of all this like what?

I'm confused

[ocean void]

enjoy zooming & reading that stuff

[obtuse gyro]

The alternate possibility of the drifter was manifested into our reality. But aside from all this, I cannot fathom how this would preclude the drifter from being able to interact with stuff in our reality

[balmy storm]

He made Narmer to stop us and to take back the Origin System, it wasn’t entirely about us
I mean a lot of it was, but he also wanted his empire back

Where his logic faulters even more is wanting to destroy the sun to go to Tau, yes the Orokin’s goal with wanting Tau to be colonized was to escape the eventual death of the sun but I’m pretty sure if he went to Tau the sentients that call it home would not take kindly to an Orokin invading their home
Since the sentients wanted the Orokin to leave Tau alone since all they do is take and destroy

[balmy storm]

I think this needs updating cause we know a lot more about Duviri now
Like how the Drifter created it when they were a child, what Duviri is, etc etc

[near rune]

Ballas was in charge for a while (unspecified) until he decided to burn it all down. I think he just got genuinely unstable when he realised the Tenno was still alive and kicking.

[near rune]

I was actually thinking about making a video where I go through my simplified timeline of the Warframe universe. Not as long or detailed as Brozime's but just an overview of what happened when.

[balmy storm]

If you do I’ll def watch and share it
Need a good simplified timeline

An updated one too since I feel like we know a lot more and are on the verge of even more info

[near rune]

I actually appreciate what Brozime was trying to do but at the same time it's too long. Like if someone is like "hey what's going on" you don't give them an hour-long video.

[balmy storm]

It’s def admirable to try and sort out what the heck is happening in this game in a cohesive way

I feel like there’s just so much so it gets so messy
And we just get more and more to add on it 😵‍💫

[near rune]

For sure. Everything's all disconnected. Part of the reason I made the Archives, especially the Discussion articles.

[balmy storm]

At least there’s one thing we can always connect everything to
The Orokin

[near rune]

get jumpscared

[balmy storm]

Conceptually embodied trauma book?
The Orokin
Head exploding food?
The Orokin
Rivens?
The Orokin

[near rune]

well, the head-exploding food is the Corpus

[balmy storm]

I’m horrified 😟

[near rune]

and Rivens are from Cephalon Samodeus

[balmy storm]

But who caused the corpus to exist?
And cephalons to exist?

[near rune]

I mean sure lol

Where did the Orokin come from? I guess it's all Adam & Eve's fault.

[balmy storm]

you yank that string hard enough and it comes back to them lol

[balmy storm]

That’s a good question actually, where exactly did they come from?
Iirc they came into power from technological superiority(?) but how?
Who started it?

[near rune]

To quote myself:

[balmy storm]

Crazy if 1999 actually goes into it somewhat

[near rune]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

I guess it’ll depend how exactly 1999 got conceptually embodied into existence

If it’s from Albrecht and old Orokin records (the ones that do exist) then it’s possible details about the Orokin’s origin were wiped

And if they weren’t wiped, for whatever reason, then that’ll be huge to see

[prime lantern]

I mean they came about like any civilization

[viscid quarry]

He wasn’t already?

[green crow]

radiant lotus came with everyone i think

[strong tartan]

No I got regular lotus as an extra. maybe you get radiant lotus as an extra if you pick lotus

[green crow]

ohh

she the coolest one

[red holly]

Whats a requiem poem?

[nova harness]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Albrecht_Entrati/Quotes

[viscid quarry]

I’ll dm it to you

Frankly put

It’s a hymn to madness, a hymn to the lidless eye

[red holly]

i saw the wiki is there more?

[viscid quarry]

Well not really but I’ll send it anyways

[red holly]

ok

[simple python]

Iirc, In Parvos' story, the Corpus were similarly toilers under the Orokin Regime however they rose against the regime and became galactic Supercapitalists.

[viscid quarry]

Aka the orokin

[simple python]

Grineer, by comparison, were essentially the guard dogs of the Orokin Regime... but like uh... they cloned and stuff. They were basically like a widespread, cheap labor force. I think the differences are that Grineer were cloned labor while the pre-corpus and surrounding Orokin Colonies were just regular people. Like the Ostrons

[nova harness]

The Dax are the Guard dogs

Grineer did work but it wasn’t originally soldiers

[simple python]

Fair enough. Y'all know the infested and sentient origins. Along some of those lines.

[nova harness]

Infested were created to fight the Sentients

Including using them to create Warframes

Sentients were created to colonise Tau after the Zariman Disaster

[viscid quarry]

They did reach tau

However upon realizing what the orokins would do some made the return journey alive to wage war (orokin thought that they would die if they did so)

[graceful zodiac]

The Infestation was created before the Old War, we just don't know for what purpose

[prime seal]

Hot Take: Duviri Paradox should only be availabe after the new war quest

Its so out of context if a player can play it before they receive access to their operator

[nova harness]

That’s not a hot take

Loads of people have that take

[covert tree]

I think it should be pre new war bit lock it for just before new war

[prime seal]

Yea. I have 2 new tenno I recruited and they are very confused by duviri

[summer rapids]

For me duviri helped understand some things about the drifter before new war, cause in my mind, if I had done new war first, I’d be confused as to where the drifter came from, which i still don’t understand where he came from. The new war was awesome, but the story plot holes got me so confused. How did drifter come to the star chart, how did lotus get to our ship, how did ordis get a body, how did we get our Warframes back. I have so many unanswered questions

[tawdry socket]

There is no heterosexual explanation for this

[sacred flint]

That is the whole theme of the new war. An extreme time jump were we die and suddenly we are back? But also not? The whole vibe DE was going for was for there to be story but also for there to be abstract mystery. It wouldn’t have been a memorable story if we got the answers from the spot. The way drifter was revealed then was so mind blowing at the time. I think playing the duviri quest is better after the new war.

And all those other questions? They should have been answered in other quest that came after duviri but since DE abandoned the whole idea of another starting point of the game, they stood back from that story line and went further with The man in the wall. I think they will come back to this but as reb already said they are now focusing on what other main characters are doing post new war with the next quest focusing on stalker

[chilly pine]

i know duviri is a huge chunk of content, but ive always felt annoyed that duviri was available right from the get go.

[real niche]

To that first part.

Yeah that was kinda the point. They wanted a quest you could do before or after TNW, with the questions of one being the answers to the other.

[thick jolt]

It is the duviri paradox for a reason the name isn't there just to be pretty

[nova harness]

Many people forget it’s a Paradox

[chilly pine]

you know, maybe im just dense, but i never really understood that part

[prime seal]

For me the problem really is just that new players can play it. If it was just after the sacrifice or after tnw then it would be fine. the part with the drifter being the one to control warframe also could spoil the second dream imo

Or spoil the nature of the frames

[nova harness]

Most people forget it by the time they get there though tbh

[chilly pine]

my biggest issue with it being open from the start too, that and the questions you get that you dont get answers to until TNW

[prime seal]

Maybe you are right but for me it just doesnt fit at this point in the game. Also story wise it would make more sense later in the game since there are references built in (Like ballas' line about sending tenno back to hell being heard when drifter gets stabbed) This would also not get noticed after the 50+ or so hrs when the player gets to tnw

[chilly pine]

that is a good point, by the time you get to TNW youll probably have forgotten all of those little details that connect the two so youll still be left with questions

[amber terrace]

Question in reference to Deimos. Given the fact that Albrecht’s labs are being claimed by The Murmur and the surface is being ravaged by the Infestation, is Deimos being “burnt” from both ends?

[upper cloak]

There is this spacey glass wall in the labs that alberht went through. it's a portal to another dimension to his evil self.

[balmy storm]

I’d say no, the infestation isn’t actively destroying anything, it’s created an ecosystem

[balmy storm]

The untime door isn’t in his labs, it leads to the void and Wally isn’t his evil self as far as we know, we don’t really know what he is tbh but he isn’t another Albrecht

[amber terrace]

Ah, so the Infestation isn’t actively working its way through Deimos’ surface? Rather it’s existing on the top few kilometers of Deimos’ surface?

[balmy storm]

No, It’s deep in there, but as I said it’s created an ecosystem of its own and that doesn’t look like it will be changing

[upper cloak]

You do'nt know what you are talking about. Listen to the poems where the necraloid is agian

[balmy storm]

I do know what I’m talking about but ok

[upper cloak]

sure

[amber terrace]

Pardon my confusion, so you’re saying that the Infestation has worked its way through a good portion of Deimos’ crust, but it’s at a state where it’s “stable”?

[balmy storm]

The man in the wall isn’t just some evil version of Albrecht, he’s much much more

[balmy storm]

You could say that
Idk the exact extent it’s spread but it seems to go deep, possibly stopping once it hits certain labs and vaults as the infestation doesn’t like being next to anything void

[amber terrace]

Ooh, I think I understand. The Infestation has spread about as far as it can, but Albrecht’s labs and the fact that they’re hyper saturated in Void energy is effectively “scaring” the Infested off?

[balmy storm]

Yeah kinda, though this was unintentional

[balmy storm]

The infested bomb on Deimos was there to simply wipe out the sentients and protect the heart, the heart will always be safe from the infestation as long as it’s scared of the void, Albrecht’s labs would also be fairly safe due to it’s distance and the void tech within (and the murmur)

[amber terrace]

This is where I got the verbiage of the Infestation being “scared” of Void energy(taken from a very, very old Tennocon teaser from many years ago)

[near rune]

The only info we have on the Infested "being scared of the Void" is in relation to the Murmur specifically. I dunno if that would necessarily apply to the rest of the Void or the Heart. In Deimos bounties you are charged with keeping the Infestation out of the inner vaults, including the Heart chamber.

[near rune]

This is from less than a year ago lol

[amber terrace]

It’s that recent? Wowza my memory is junked lol

[balmy storm]

The infestation def doesn’t seem to be a fan of the void either way
Maybe I’m misremembering but helminth doesn’t like the tenno all that much

Def gotta reread the helminth tenno interactions again

[near rune]

That's true

[balmy storm]

So the infestation is known to fear us and Wally

[near rune]

Seems like.
That doesn't seem to be widespread knowledge, given Latrox's reaction though.

[upper cloak]

I found a cell phone ringing north of loid's lobby

[near rune]

Loid dropped his pager

[balmy storm]

I wonder how the infestation would exactly see Xaku then, born of infested flesh, broken but put back together by the void, then mastered that which holds their multitude

Just gimme Xaku lore I’m beggin’, DE

[near rune]

All warframes are Void-touched. The Infestation fears all of them.

[balmy storm]

I know, I bring up Xaku specifically because they’re deemed to be a master of the void

Arguably their connection to it stronger than others, its more than void tech, its voidtongue

[near rune]

Deemed by whom? What's the source on this?

Using the Void is not the same as mastering it

[balmy storm]

Xaku’s description mentions them having mastery of the void

[near rune]

I can't find that in the Xaku description, Grandmother's description, or the Xaku profile video

[balmy storm]

Yeah I can’t either now but I remember seeing it

Checking their abilities too

Huh, I can’t find it
I know I got “master of the void” from Xaku somewhere

[near rune]

Very often I find that when it comes to the lore of specific warframes, people's thoughts get confused with official lore, especially for warframes with sparse lore.

Happened a lot with Valkyr, Nova, etc

[balmy storm]

Either way, they have two abilities that have requiems, void tongue, Xata and Lohk

[thick jolt]

Nova: made by the community, forgotten by the community

[balmy storm]

I know for a fact I read it on the warframe app but I can’t find it

Maybe it was a different page though 🤷‍♀️

I FOUND IT

“Neither he nor she, Xaku is a composite... a Warframe assembly made of others lost in the early Entrati Void expeditions. Xaku has mastered this power of the Void to terrify and bewilder their adversaries.”

The old description

Why did they change their description ):

[upper cloak]

Now hear me out. what if down is up and up is down.

[balmy storm]

That’s an extension of Wally so, yeah maybe

Wally’s a cooky guy who likes making weird anatomy monsters, making up down and down up sounds right up his alley

[upper cloak]

Also, found a murmur on the top with a face

[thick jolt]

Feels like update week all over again

[steep delta]

what in the Void's name is Mara Lohk?

some places say Void Demon/Child but ???

[nova harness]

Mara is the name of DEs operator

[valid jolt]

Try looking down at the giant shadow

[nova harness]

Lohk is Void

[balmy storm]

Lohk is voidtongue for Void
Mara is highly debated, internally Mara is the name for the Operator

[upper cloak]

I agree!

the operator that says hey kiddo in your ship and that works with albrecht

[thick jolt]

Oh no

[nova harness]

The Operator that says Hey, kiddo is Wally

[balmy storm]

We’re called a demon a lot and notably Mara does mean demon in some real world languages, but this may be coincidental more than anything else
Either way Mara Lohk seems to refer to us, the Tenno/Drifter

[balmy storm]

That’s Wally he doesn’t work with Albrecht, Albrecht explicitly has been going out of his way to stop Wally

[nova harness]

You cannot kill the Devil, Tenno

[balmy storm]

But you can send it back to hell.

[upper cloak]

I'm still trying to figure out how to activate the lohk gliph above the necraliod..

[balmy storm]

That’s likely just decorative

It’s a cool detail it’s there though

[upper cloak]

I remember i in the poem that albrechts daughter pulled a switch when albrecht told her to and he went through the spacey portel.

she pulled a lever

[near rune]

Ah okay. Yeah they changed all the warframe descriptions for Duviri Paradox so they would be more descriptive when you saw them in Teshin's cave.

[upper cloak]

also, i don't know why. I got a feeling that albrecht is the gilmore book...

[thick jolt]

...

[balmy storm]

😭
Do you think that makes their previous description non-canon now or?
Cause it was the only lore we had for Xaku ):

[nova harness]

Warframe 1999 would like your attention

[balmy storm]

Albrecht is not his book, we see what happens to him, he hops in his funny pod to go to 1999 and his boyfriend smashes it up

[near rune]

I wouldn't say it's retconned unless it actually disagrees with other lore. There's tons of old lore no longer in the game that I consider canon, like the old planet descriptions.

[nova harness]

Is GrayArchon canon to Warframe?

[balmy storm]

So glad I took a screenshot of their old description ages ago

[balmy storm]

I wish

[upper cloak]

Has anyone tried bringing xaku to the necraliod??

[nova harness]

Ducky you’re the fan girl go do it

[balmy storm]

I can tell you nothing happens

[thick jolt]

DE should hire gray
take on cordilon's mantle

[upper cloak]

Maybe you will be able to hit the gliph on the ceiling @balmy storm

[nova harness]

Cordylon?

[thick jolt]

was that a correction to me misspelling or you don't remember cordylon ?

[balmy storm]

I mean I’ll try but I’m pretty sure nothing will happen

[upper cloak]

who's cordylon?

[nova harness]

I was wondering if there was another cephalon with a similar name or if you was meaning Cordylon

[upper cloak]

is that part of the story? I'm want to know...

[thick jolt]

yeah I was talking about cephalon cordylon
imo there's noone better to step into cordylon's metaphorical shoes than gray

[nova harness]

is Cordylon's responsibility to sort and file knowledge obtained by the Lotus. Although the acquisition of such data occupies most of the AI's time, there are moments where Cordylon can be inclined to share the fruits of its labor with others. On those rare occasions, its massive databanks open and offer those deemed worthy insight.

[balmy storm]

Cordylon is Lotus’ PC and secretary

Change my mind

[nova harness]

Wait are Cephalons AI I thought they weren’t exactly AI

[balmy storm]

No, they aren’t AI

[upper cloak]

I haven't seen cordylon. Where do you find it?

[nova harness]

So that’s a retcon

[balmy storm]

The Orokin used Cephalons specifically because they aren’t AI
Also cause it’s a good punishment

[thick jolt]

i think cordylon's logs precede the lore on the exact nature of cephalons

[balmy storm]

^

[nova harness]

Like the Stalker lore saying we killed 7 Emperors?

[balmy storm]

On the Riven roll screen iirc

[balmy storm]

We may have done that still, just not the 7 specifically as Ballas survived

We did kill Tuvul
I love that they killed Tuvul

[upper cloak]

Also, notice that albrecht is the form of Jahu

[balmy storm]

Jahu translates to form

[upper cloak]

from listening to the poems

[nova harness]

So do you think there’s 7 Emperors and 7 Executors

[balmy storm]

Wally takes on his form, out form, a wall of bone form and Yonta’s form

[thick jolt]

if we get something more numbered to 7 we will get a jackpot

[upper cloak]

Where you do you find wally?

[balmy storm]

It’s possible there were emperors that were below the 7 but idk
It’s more likely they retconned it ifk

[thick jolt]

yeah probably retconned

[balmy storm]

We’ll find out with Jade Shadows (maybe)

[nova harness]

Orokin Empire with no Emperor/Empress lol

[balmy storm]

Really hope we see the night of the naga drums
Or find out what he is
Literally give me either one of those and I’ll be happy

[thick jolt]

agreed

[balmy storm]

The seven are functionally that

I recommend watching Gray’s video on the Orokin

[nova harness]

Tbh British Empire had a King/Queen not Emperor

[upper cloak]

Rumor has it that jade will come from zaraman while the stalker excailber will come from the labs

[thick jolt]

....

[nova harness]

Why is everything on Deimos now

[thick jolt]

and the headcannon gets wilder

[balmy storm]

Jade will likely come from the ascension gamemode so it depends where that is
But Stalker has no ties to Deimos or the labs

[nova harness]

Cough cough void powers Warframe Heart

[upper cloak]

Because everything thing is connected to albrecht himself, the labs, and the void.

[balmy storm]

Are you talking about Stalker’s connection?

[nova harness]

Nah just saying Warframes without the heart don’t function very well

[balmy storm]

Oh, well yeah

[upper cloak]

I think youre onto something

[balmy storm]

But we don’t even know what Stalker is
Is he a frame?
A tenno?
Something else?
All we know is low guardian and that he knows what he is

And that he hates himself

[nova harness]

According to Warframe 2023 stats he’s a Warframe lol

[balmy storm]

That’s cause of Duviri

[upper cloak]

If you do a side by side of the stalker and the 1999 excaliber human warframe. there's a huge simularity

[balmy storm]

Which Duviri implies some version of him is a frame and has a transference bolt

[balmy storm]

You put stalker next to literally any excalibur and they look similar, he shares the same body as an excal

[upper cloak]

Exactly!

[nova harness]

DE got lazy in the beginning when making frame designs

[balmy storm]

Why?
We don’t know, maybe cause he’s an older asset, maybe because he’s really a frame
We don’t know, but he doesn’t have any more significance to 1999 than any other excal, in fact he’d likely have less as he isn’t known to be an actual excal variant in anything but appearance

[upper cloak]

but what if he is the 1999 excal and he's been here longer because of a curse that makes him live like a immortal because of what he disd

[nova harness]

Does Albrecht’s lab have the biggest map?

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we can even look to Duviri for help on figuring out what he is, maybe it hints at it but we have zero clue where an inert Stalker-frame even came from
Did the Tenno CE him into existence for the Paradox?
Did he fall in from somewhere like Kullervo?
Or did they just add him in cause it’s fun?
We don’t know

[balmy storm]

It’s big enough Albrecht got lost in his own labs

[nova harness]

Oh so that’s why I get lost sometimes?

[balmy storm]

Unlikely but fun theory

[nova harness]

How did Albrecht get around the Lab with kind wall creatures walking around

[silent lantern]

Is gauss the in-lore fastest frame?

[upper cloak]

Did you try xaku yet near the necralisk yet? @balmy storm

[nova harness]

No

[balmy storm]

Those weren’t a thing when he was around

[balmy storm]

Gonna in a bit

[nova harness]

According to the notes they were

He referenced a Whisper

[balmy storm]

Not to the extent that it is now though

[upper cloak]

The fastest warframe is titania prime with her archwing ablity.

[balmy storm]

Remember the start of the whispers quest, there was a whole wall that Wally took a bite out of lol
It’s been getting worse, especially recently

[nova harness]

Did Wally really expand his army loads to attack one person?

[silent lantern]

Gotta respect the tenno, mf passed through a lot of bs and hasnt gone insane

[silent lantern]

Yes

[upper cloak]

it's because when volt activates his speed. titania flies through walls and falls out of the map because of how fast she is going with volts speed ability

[nova harness]

How to beat Titania in a race: give her a concussion

[silent lantern]

In-lore not gameplay wise

[balmy storm]

🤷‍♀️ he’s after us, Loid to some extent and likely the Cavia too
Plus he really wants that grimoire

[upper cloak]

in lore it's guass

[silent lantern]

Then i was right

[balmy storm]

In lore Gauss and Volt are equal in speed iirc

I might be wrong about that though

[nova harness]

Is there any lore stating he’s fastest though

[thick jolt]

only "fast" frame we have lore for is gauss so we cannot compare him with the others

[upper cloak]

if you build guass right with a speed build he will be flying in the air only using is mach speed

[thick jolt]

since a comparison can't be made we cannot judge who is the fastest

[real niche]

Nova is the fastest because wormholes

[upper cloak]

I watched a vid on guass's fastest speed build and he can go from one side of the map to the other in a straight line in 2 seconds

for example fortuna

[thick jolt]

once again we are not talking gameplay builds but lore

[silent lantern]

Exactky

[nova harness]

Fastest frame depends on Operator

[silent lantern]

Even ballas refers to gauss as the fastest

[balmy storm]

Unrelated, I like how Xata’s Whisper (Truth’s Whisper) covers Xaku (and other frames) in infestation while also wielding the void for more damage

Visually the infestation covering them could be interpreted to be the truth of what Warframes are while the void enhanced attacks relate to how the frames function, both due to the heart and us

I love my funny skeleton

[balmy storm]

Kullervo having an instant teleport:

[nova harness]

Flash is faster than Quicksilver

[thick jolt]

anyway until we get lore for another frame that goes fast it's really hard to call out "x is the fastest"

[silent lantern]

At least lore wise

[thick jolt]

yup

[real niche]

Yeah and he clearly forgot he has several frames that teleport.

[silent lantern]

Xaku is goat

[real niche]

Can't get much faster than instant

[balmy storm]

Real

[silent lantern]

Unrelated

Someone here likes sevagoth?

[balmy storm]

@upper cloak booped it and nothing, I liked your idea though!

[thick jolt]

i think it shows infestation on other frames because helminth but on xaku it's void tendrils similar to the xaku deluxe ephemera when you stand still for long enough

[balmy storm]

I like Sevagoth, funny jojo reference pirate

[nova harness]

Ballas is stupid btw you can’t deny it

[upper cloak]

hmmmm........🤔

[balmy storm]

On Xaku it’s also infestation

[nova harness]

Why is NecraLoid so angry?

[upper cloak]

That's a good question

[balmy storm]

Built in emotional suppression

[upper cloak]

Also, why can't i access the necraloid in the lobby where loid is in the labs?

[nova harness]

Think you need Rank 5

[upper cloak]

what happens once you reach rank 5?

[valid jolt]

You unlock Deep Arcimedia and Cavia lore

[balmy storm]

You unlock hugging the Cavia

[upper cloak]

What does that look like? 🤔

[balmy storm]

But not Loid, why can’t I hug the sad butler 😔

[nova harness]

You unlock colouring the Cavia

Can’t colour Loid though

[balmy storm]

Loid needs a hug 🥺

[upper cloak]

I agree!

[balmy storm]

I like that you can hug the Cavia as your tenno/drifter too

I feel like that kind of interaction is good for all parties

[upper cloak]

Really? that's cool!

[nova harness]

Loid finally dealing with scams and not attacking people for nothing

[balmy storm]

[upper cloak]

oof!

[silent lantern]

Sooo...i cant make loid go love kfc?

[nova harness]

No

[upper cloak]

hmmmm..

[nova harness]

Don’t think we can colour either Loid

[balmy storm]

I’m still sad we never got more lab decor 😔

[upper cloak]

I kinda want to find min and give her back to the goat in the labs

[nova harness]

I’m sick of Bird 3 not selling the red chairs

[silent lantern]

What i want is enough tforged archon shards to make lotus kill wally with a blink

[upper cloak]

Where is min in the void anyway?

[nova harness]

Dead

[valid jolt]

Uhhhh

Spoilers lol

[upper cloak]

Can we find her body in the void and bring her back to life?

[nova harness]

No

[upper cloak]

dang

[silent lantern]

Why not

[nova harness]

Because it’s been 1000 years

[valid jolt]

What rank are you with the Cavia rn?

[upper cloak]

4

[valid jolt]

Oh ok then yea she got airlocked out by Fibonacci because he was scared

[upper cloak]

but the tenno were brought back from being dead

[nova harness]

We have Last Gasp

And we didn’t die in New War

The PC states it was a time loop

[valid jolt]

The Cavia aren’t like the Tenno

[upper cloak]

What if you CAN find min's body in the void though..

[nova harness]

It will become ill and die

[upper cloak]

So we could go back in time to save min in the time loop!

[thick jolt]

hmmm another idea would be the increase in void energy circulating in the frame pushing out the squishier parts of the infestation outside of their shells ?

[nova harness]

That will have worse consequences

[valid jolt]

We can’t really time travel to any point we want. Also Nemisis is talking about how we(the Tenno) were in a time loop aboard the Zariman during TNW, not Minn

[upper cloak]

your right I forgot. just like the doc said in back to the future. oof!

Also, off topic. does anyone live near dallas, tx. there is a severe thunderstorm warning..😬

[upper cloak]

Maybe minn is on or near the zaraman!

[valid jolt]

Ehh don’t think so. She’s dead for now

[upper cloak]

well i mean her body

[balmy storm]

That’s a good explanation too, but considering it’s “Truth’s Whisper” I choose to perceive the effects as a hint of the truth
Which would be true, all frames are physically infested and use the void to deal damage

[upper cloak]

Is there a way to cure the infested on the warframes so the frames can go back to their human selves?

[valid jolt]

The Zariman today is currently in between Duviri and the origin system, and the events that caused it to be there are waaaayyyyyyy after the creation of the Cavia and Mins death

[valid jolt]

Not that we know of, no. But we kind of need Warframes to fight back against the Grineer, Corpus, Sentients, the eldritch monsters, etc

[nova harness]

I quite like having a meat puppet Warframe

[balmy storm]

Likely no and by this point that might not be a good idea anyway

[upper cloak]

I heard the zaraman ship is like a plug to the hole in the void to prevent something bigger from getting out..

[valid jolt]

Yea it’s there so that Void storms don’t start appearing and destroy the Origin System

[hard sky]

i mean, the operators can kind of hold their own. during the new war trailer there is a part where the warframe is taken out and the operator just evaporates the grineer

[nova harness]

Mara forgot to mod her Warframe

[valid jolt]

True, but Warframes are way more effective in killing. Just look at the gameplay lol

[nova harness]

Look at the last word in Warframe

[balmy storm]

me after experimenting with builds and forgetting what one I have when I login again hours later

[upper cloak]

as if the warframes are being framed for something they didn't do..

[balmy storm]

Not that kind of frame

Also what would they have been framed for?
Overthrowing an oppressive empire that had it coming?

[upper cloak]

Oh. Lol!

[nova harness]

I’m framing you for breathing my air

[balmy storm]

You’re breathing my nitrogen 👁️👄👁️

[upper cloak]

what does albrecht's cavia notes say?

[valid jolt]

https://youtu.be/t8HilzVnFWY?si=kmAp-cML1CsKWfMm

[balmy storm]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes/

[valid jolt]

That’s probably a smarter way to show the notes lol whoops

[nova harness]

Why does Albrecht say the Cavia died so casually?

[balmy storm]

Yours was good, albrecht is a good narrator

[balmy storm]

Because he had already killed so many animals already

[nova harness]

Do Orokin have emotions now?

[balmy storm]

Albrecht sucks
“I’m gonna abuse mountains of animals to dumb down this weird thing i found, not gonna check if it works though lol”

[nova harness]

You know they sent animals to space irl

[balmy storm]

For the ones that are alone, yes

[balmy storm]

This is not the same thing at all lmao

Albrecht wasn’t sending them in to explore, or to test technology or survivability or anything like that

[nova harness]

He was testing an experiment

[balmy storm]

It was all on the theory that if he sent enough animals he’d “dumb down” Wally
It comes from him not knowing what Wally is or how he works

[nova harness]

The experiment was for survivability

[balmy storm]

The problem primarily stems from him doing it in such massive quantities

[nova harness]

Remember a wall man

[balmy storm]

I understand that :/

But after the first, idk, mountain I’d maybe try to see if it worked at all?

[nova harness]

People actually used to say Albrecht did nothing wrong

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying he was malicious, but he was stupid
I know he was afraid, rightfully so, but it wouldn’t have worked

[valid jolt]

Tbffff, he didn’t really know how Wally worked, so he tried multiple combinations and a variety of animals. My man was desperate

[balmy storm]

Those fools, the Orokin did everything wrong (I’m one of those fools)

[upper cloak]

Albrecht was an advisor to the child king?!?

[nova harness]

Yes

[balmy storm]

I’m aware
I can still call him a bad person for sacrificing hundreds if not thousands of animals on something that didn’t even work

Only thing he found out was Wally wants unique things

[nova harness]

Albrecht still the smartest Warframe character

[upper cloak]

what about the decaying animals in the parimads?

around his sand labs?

[balmy storm]

Oh absolutely

[nova harness]

That’s not sand

[upper cloak]

?

[valid jolt]

I mean as a scientist, you would have scientific principles to follow, such as hypothesize, test, revise, repeat, etc. I think what he did was smart tbh and a valiant attempt

[balmy storm]

I love Albrecht as a character, but damn if I’m not mad at him for the animals

[nova harness]

That’s Wallys skin

Bros been peeling

[upper cloak]

wait, what?

the sand is wally's skin?

[nova harness]

Wally has been cutting parts of himself off

Murmur are his body parts

[upper cloak]

I guess......Wally is a giant?

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[balmy storm]

I agree, it was
I can still be mad about what was still throwing animals at a wall to try and dumb it down, his theory was Wally fed off the minds of any beings in the void and that it’d collectively effect him but I doubt he was observing what was happening to Wally

[valid jolt]

Nono Wally isn’t a giant and that isn’t his true form. He’s still trolling us with how the Murmur look

[upper cloak]

That's wally!?

[nova harness]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Like after around the 100th attempt you’d maybe wanna see if your efforts did anything and he didn’t, he was scared, rightfully so

[nova harness]

Man in the Wall

[upper cloak]

That means.....I've seen his face at the labs

[nova harness]

Yes

[balmy storm]

I like the idea Wally took “the man in the wall” name and said “that’s unique I’ll use that idea”

[nova harness]

Technically it’s not a name

It’s a description

[balmy storm]

True

But it’s also used as a name

[upper cloak]

Wow!🤯

[balmy storm]

It’s both

[nova harness]

No Wally is a name

[valid jolt]

DE better have someone in game call him Wally

In the future, of course

[balmy storm]

Wally isn’t a name used in-game lol

[valid jolt]

Still tho it would be funny if they did

[nova harness]

That which bares no name

[balmy storm]

Agreed, it’d be funny

[nova harness]

We name him the game doesn’t

[balmy storm]

Funny how it’s still ended up with a sorta name, it’s description is it’s name

[valid jolt]

Yea I see your point. Albrecht was desperate to try anything

[nova harness]

I call him Wall Man

Got bored of Wally so made another

[balmy storm]

His actions were understandable, but abhorrent
Love ya Albrecht but what the muck

[valid jolt]

Lol

[upper cloak]

How powerful is wally (the man in the wall)?

[nova harness]

Albrecht best Warframe character you cannot change my mind

[balmy storm]

Tbh our Tenno should be the person to call him Wally, it’s a community given name so it’d make sense if the player character is the one to say it

[nova harness]

Powerful

Very powerful

[upper cloak]

What can he do?

[nova harness]

Fly

Turn into a wall

Give powers

Possibly immortal

[valid jolt]

He’s also, like, the Void

[balmy storm]

Higher dimensional being

[valid jolt]

Wait really?

[balmy storm]

He isn’t the void

[upper cloak]

So....he's like the devil?

[nova harness]

Yes

The Void is Hell

[balmy storm]

He can def be compared to that, though we don’t know his full intentions
Just that he wants what we got, to be apart of what we have and his finger back

[nova harness]

Trust me I’ve been to the Void

[balmy storm]

(Not literally)

[nova harness]

To the Corpus the Void is heaven

[valid jolt]

O

[upper cloak]

in the next update, Jade the angel warframe. is she suppose to save everything?

[nova harness]

Deadpan lost his memory

[balmy storm]

I mean we don’t fully know what he is, but he is a separate entity to the void

[valid jolt]

Man that break from Warframe lore really made me forget everything lol

[nova harness]

The Void created Duviri through Drifter not Wally making it remember that fact

[balmy storm]

No, despite the void being referenced as hell, us devils/demons and Wally comparable to the devil that’s all it seems to be, no actual real world religious connection

[valid jolt]

Ohh yea right Wally is similar to Dominus in a way

[nova harness]

No, Thrax is similar to Wally

Thrax is Orokin copycat

[valid jolt]

Wah. Isn’t that the same person?

[balmy storm]

Dominus is a conceptually embodied void manifestation, we don’t know what Wally is

[nova harness]

Wally is in Duviri though

[balmy storm]

Not really?
They’re born from an Orokin book, I wouldn’t call that a copycat exactly

[upper cloak]

where in durvi?

[nova harness]

Vagabond

[upper cloak]

got it

[valid jolt]

In it’s own bubble within the Void

[balmy storm]

He makes many many appearances in different forms, mostly as the Vagabond

[nova harness]

Wanna know something funny

[valid jolt]

Wait I’m losing my mimd

F

[balmy storm]

[nova harness]

Whenever I think of Duviri being somewhere in the Void I think of it being one of those Haribo dummy sweet shapes for some reason

Mind is weird trust me

[obtuse gyro]

Wally has been, well, differentiated (in terms of description) from the undifferentiated void. He isnt so much the void itself, but something thats come out of it

Like the void is the Id and Wally is the ego

[valid jolt]

Yea I realize that now

[balmy storm]

what’s the super ego

[obtuse gyro]

I guess the idea of albrecht?

The super ego should be related to the parent, as a form of repression, or more simply "rules setting"

Which is to say

Wally acts the way he does because of albrecht

Which yknow is somewhat true

[balmy storm]

Considering Wally also feeds from us (how else would he know about “Kiddo”) I wonder if we could be considered that too

Or I’ve misunderstood

[obtuse gyro]

Mmmm i was thinking about it and I think the answer is no

[balmy storm]

[obtuse gyro]

Ill elaborate but first I need get on the bus to work lol

[balmy storm]

Take all the time you need

[obtuse gyro]

Ok so the first major difference is that I am not certain that our "mental" influence on wally governs his behaviour

Unlike albrecht

To me both albrecht and wally share some strange drive where they both end up using and discarding whoever they need to achieve their goals. Albrecht of course doesnt do it out of spite but out of necessity. He wants to protect loid, he abandons loid etc. Wally just... does the same except without the intent to protect

He may take our form yes, but psychoanalytically that doesnt necessessitate that we become part of his superego

I need to take a look at the freudian (or later) texts but Im not sure if they describe a changing superego, although it feels like a very no doy thing

[obtuse gyro]

But also that module is over so im not putting myself through that pain lololol. Ill live with what I have already for warframe purposes

[near rune]

I forgot that Albrecht came up with the idea to use the Cervulites after doing a bunch of drugs. The true scientific method.

[viscid quarry]

Very scientific

Unlike the strange and primitive way of using the conscious and no drugs

Also where does it say that, I need to know

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes official drugs

Nestawood cinders

[silent lantern]

So if albrecht didnt interact with the void and instead someone else did, wally would act different?

[obtuse gyro]

Probably

[silent lantern]

So...we could be 1000x more f***ed up than we are now?

[real niche]

Wally was pretty chummy with Baro

[obtuse gyro]

Still the same deal maker as before, so I wouldnt say its out of the core character of wally

Its just that the same thing that would put us off, the clone, appealed to baro

Homie missed the horror bit completely

[viscid quarry]

The good fellow offered a deal

And likely looked splendid

How could he deny

[nova harness]

This is Rebs profile

[thick jolt]

She really needs to update to lotus prime smh

[nova harness]

Yeah

[covert tree]

Oh that's cool

[viscid quarry]

Tbh that might be better then the lotus radiant look

Even if the shoulders are off and it’s using the inferior head

[covert tree]

Yeah they could update her lotus

Also what warframe does it stand in for

[viscid quarry]

Mesa from stance alone

But it could be any

[covert tree]

Huh eh maybe it's unique like stalker in duviri but it's probably just a unique skin

[near rune]

I believe it's a skin that she can put on any warframe

[covert tree]

Oh damn cool

[sleek mesa]

Wait that’s cool af

[balmy storm]

What are the requirements for unlocking the duviri paradox

[sage pond]

Pretty sure it's available after completing Vor's Prize

[near rune]

Vor's Prize

[amber terrace]

In reference to the population of Rogue Necramechs(Voidrigs, Bonewidows, Cullervins, Arcocanids) residing in Albrecht’s Labs. Do they get replenished via auto manufacturing means in Albrecht’s labs or are we trashing Orokin era relics that, in the lore, don’t get replenished?

[valid jolt]

Most likely auto manufacturing

[balmy storm]

It’s auto manufacturing

[near rune]

You can definitely see some Necramech assembly works in the labs

[steep delta]

what is the purpose of the man in the wall other than to go rap tap tap on chamber doors lol

[ocean void]

Isn’t that Rell?

[steep delta]

well yeah up to a point

MITW was being held at bay by rell if i remember the lore correctly

[prime lantern]

Serve as the main antagonist in the current arc

Gave the tenno there powers

Made the murmer

[steep delta]

so MITW is some spooky thing then

[prime lantern]

Yea ill find something

[steep delta]

i haven't really been paying attention to the codex stuff. mostly pay attention to quests unless it's a narrative drop which almost always happens for the long quests

TNW cough cough

[prime lantern]

I'll find my explanation here in a moment

What is
The man in the wall

The man in the wall other times referred to as the indifference is an eldritch being of unknown origins

The man in the wall was first encountered by albretch entrati, the man who first entered the void it was this encounter that changed wally from a shapeless Nothing to a shaped something by ripping a shape out of albretchs memories

After this encounter the man in the wall became real however he vanished for a while as albretch notes nobody had seen him after he entered

The man in the wall reappeared to the zariman a ship crashed in the void and drove nearly all the adults aboard insane making them attack the children

The children were forced to barricade themselves into classrooms where to one child the man in the wall offered a deal "I can save them all of them you just have to really want it" taking this deal birthed the tenno human children armed with para human abilities

Sometime later albretch entrati sent animals into the void eventually creating the cavia

From these animals (specifically bird 3) we learn what may be the man in the walls end goal

To be able to create/steal a physical form and free himself from needing other physical beings to think of things for him to be able to create them as he seems to be incapable of creating unique thoughts

Instead he merges together the thoughts of other beings to create an attempt at his end goals

[steep delta]

now i remember

so basically Cthulhu or something

one of those names forget which would be most similar to mitw but i'm thinking that mitw might be similar to something from the works of HP Lovecraft

[near rune]

The Man in the Wall (or The Indifference, as he/it is also known) was definitely in some aspects inspired by HP Lovecraft's mythos. In fact, when the Requiem mods were shown off during a DevStream, they had text from one of Lovecraft's poem instead of their current text ("From brooding gulfs are we beheld" etc).

(DevStream 132)

[nova harness]

Much prefer what we got

[wheat charm]

Its just an entity that is curious about the Origin System. He wants to discover what we are, and most likely it is annoyed that we disturbed his eternal peace by interacting with the void

[viscid quarry]

It’s a placeholder for a reason

[obtuse gyro]

Curious is an understatement

But also DE is already showing us that Wally's intentions are not merely curiosity

[wheat charm]

No but imagine that Wally has the memories of Albrecht. If he ever meets Mother in Deimos, he'd be like: I AM your father!

[nova harness]

He already did that

Well sort of

He made mother play knock door run

[prime seal]

so, why were the sentients angry at the orokin?

[nova harness]

Everything they touch goes wrong

[balmy storm]

The Orokin are greedy and destroy everything, Tau was beautiful and free from their tyranny, they fought to save it and for it to be their home

[tawdry socket]

I believe they also made it so the trip to Tau made the sentients unable to reproduce, if I recall?

[thick jolt]

It's the trip back that would do that

The idea is void exposure is poisonous to sentients

They would go to tau the slow way adapting and reproducing in order to build enough solar rails to reach tau

And in the event they used the solar rails to come back they would be crippled, it was really more about safeguarding the orokin

But of course the orokin failed again sentients developped... well sentience and decided to stop the orokin

[balmy storm]

They were kinda right about the whole no ai rule, but Ballas convinced them otherwise
Then planned to betray the Orokin during the war lmao

[thick jolt]

Yup, tho i can kinda see how they thought a jelly starfish didnt look too menacing

[rich idol]

What caused the Infested to grow on Deimos? At first I thought it was Brother releasing them into the wild out of spite/feeling bad but apparently it might have been Belric and Rania?

[thick jolt]

belric and rania released them into deimos
son brought it into the necralisk

[rich idol]

Ah okay, yeah that makes perfect sense.

Thank you!

[thick jolt]

[nova harness]

Brother? Do you mean Son?

[rich idol]

My bad, it’s been forever since I played

[gusty mesa]

DE... please make the Drifter not just be an older version of the Operator.

[balmy storm]

Do you want them to go back and change it?

Plus it’s a lil more complicated than just that

[gusty mesa]

That would be nice to be honest... and let me guess... you need me to hit up some more of them Alad-V vaults again.

I gotta ask. Was the older Grineer Queen an Orokin at one point?

[balmy storm]

They’re not gonna retcon it lol, the Drifter is another version of the Operator, not literally the Operator if that helps
And what?

[balmy storm]

Both queens were

[gusty mesa]

Well I just want different play styles of the two to be different... I was hoping for a mix of melee and range with the Drifter.

[balmy storm]

The Drifter is the version of the Operator that didn’t get a deal and wasn’t saved, they’re pulled into the deal during the new war and them and the Operator sorta coexist, they both are and aren’t the same person

[balmy storm]

Ooooh, you meant gameplay wise

[gusty mesa]

Yeah.. have the Drifter play like they did in The New War.

[balmy storm]

Yeah that’d be nice, though lore wise Drifter doesn’t need to use melee combat, they have void powers now and using a frame is better and safer

If you want gameplay similar to the new war head to Duviri :)

[gusty mesa]

I do.... a lot. Duviri plays different than the rest of the game.

[balmy storm]

It does, I love it for that
Duviri’s amazing

[thick jolt]

it might interest you to keep track of soulframe in case you aren't already

[neon ingot]

Just finished The Sacrifice and... What the French Toast?!?!
Also... Ouch Ordis 😭 using a hologram of her to run mission briefs?!

[thick jolt]

it gets weirder

[tawdry socket]

I do wish we could have had Ordis as our mission runner post-sacrifice

[nova harness]

Well he sorta is after the Sacrifice until a certain quest

[tawdry socket]

No like ACTUAL Ordis

Like in Limbo Theorem

[covert tree]

I agree ordis needs to do more in general

[stuck heron]

Warframe neden açamıyorum?

[flat shadow]

Sadece İngilizce lütfen. Teşekkür ederim.
English only here, please. Thank you.

[balmy storm]

Rebb wanting Albrecht and Loid to kiss

[gilded valley]

Or... Little Duck

[scarlet basalt]

Huh most likely the new missions is going to involve finding somehow where is the lair of the stalker as a mini boss fight and he would use likely the duviri's spell + acolyte ?

Maybe this way we would have a ton of ressource but this mean that this fight will be hard 🤔 ?

DE can be good at boss fight given that they have sent us kullervo and Fragmented
So i feel like this is not going to be easy to defeat him lol

[balmy storm]

We know where his lair is, we’ve been there as Drifter

They also didn’t mention any new bossfight, just the ascension game mode
Which is go up the elevator, give the elevator energy so it can go up and try not to die from the jade light eximus units

[thick jolt]

they mentioned a miniboss in ascension related to collecting or doing something

i imagine it's gonna be similar to going past the standard eye threshold in sanctum assasinate to fight the 60 eye

[scarlet basalt]

they mentioned a mini boss yess
I thought of Stalker given that its...Well it's his quest

[balmy storm]

Ah nvm then

[scarlet basalt]

ngl i didn't thought that they would enhance uranus again lol

[thick jolt]

they didn't mention what this miniboss would be tho

[balmy storm]

Could be Stalker
Could be something relating to the Jade Light

Very curious why there’s jade light units there after the new war, what caused them?

[scarlet basalt]

yepp would be cool to see what it is going to be
I really feel like stalker should get a redemption in terms of dmg/arsenal so he feels like a real threat like how people thought of it years ago lol

[scarlet basalt]

iirc they said that somehow parvos found technology of that

[balmy storm]

I don’t recall them saying that but considering it is the corpus mucking things up again I wouldn’t be surprised

Considering there’s jade light eximus about I wonder if Jade specifically has something to do with that

[scarlet basalt]

https://youtu.be/6TexQjt_lUY?t=2981
oh nvm it's just the "parvos is up to something"

[balmy storm]

Completely forgot about that line, nice catch

So Corpus moving in
Parvos is up to something
Jade Light units are afoot

Does Parvos want the Jade Light-

[scarlet basalt]

oh god
Deep archimideia/netracell will be way harder now that jade light eximus exist

They are eximus so they are everywhere 😭

[balmy storm]

Depends on if Jade Light units are outside of Ascension

I’d assume they may keep them in ascension for now but we’ll see
Let’s hope so cause that sounds like pain

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh if it's named eximus i feel they're going to be everywhere but maybe have way smaller chance to spawn in comparison with other eximus
Would make sense
But imagine a level 525 necramech jade light eximus 😭

[balmy storm]

Wait it does say all factions will have them

There is no hope, level 525 jade light mech coming soon 😭

[scarlet basalt]

The necramech slowing you down + using jade light

• a gruzzling comes in and stun/slow you 😍

[valid jolt]

I wouldn’t put it past them to come up with a new mission modifier that makes Jade eximus appear, like how we have the Limimus from Duviri appearing sometimes with their health drain

[valid jolt]

Oh

[balmy storm]

Says all factions will have it

[valid jolt]

Welp nvm they’re everywhere lmao

[scarlet basalt]

Would be crazy for a new player thinking the green laser is a healing thing but it actually annihilate them LMAOOOO

[balmy storm]

If they’re everywhere then maybe they won’t be that bad or at the very least they won’t have the same numbers as Ascension

Hopefully-

[valid jolt]

Didn’t they say they one shot you or am I misremembering?

[scarlet basalt]

iirc Reb said that there will be a lot of them in ascension
Which imply that other gamemode will have less of it

[balmy storm]

We saw that too

Looks like they shoot out a jade light beam that hunts you down

So if you’re fast and aware you’ll be fine probably

But if there’s a bunch, running is the only option

Hence why they said we gotta just leave after we get to the top of the elevator

[valid jolt]

Is there any lore on heirloom skins?

[balmy storm]

No

I don’t believe so anyway

[valid jolt]

Aww I was hoping there would be some

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC it one shot you but shiedl gate/overguard gate still apply to you ? Unless the gameplay shown was not the final product 🤔
And its slower than you

[balmy storm]

Some deluxe skins get lore
Some don’t
Yareli’s was dredged up by grandpa himself for example
Sevagoth and Hydroid’s deluxes have pirate duels
etc etc, nothing to major afaik

[valid jolt]

I’m betting they start appearing for new players at a certain lvl/planet

[balmy storm]

Maybe they won’t appear until you beat the new war, or it’s steel path only

We’ll find out in less than 3 weeks

[scarlet basalt]

Oh
Yes it is said to one shot you told by rebb
"If you are hit by a single jade light, that's it"

The jade light are slower than you but still fast*

[valid jolt]

The week it’s gonna launch is a busy one lol. There’s the new Destiny update, Warframe Jade Shadows, and the Elden Ring DLC

[balmy storm]

I only play one of those

[valid jolt]

So is Jade a new damage type then?

[valid jolt]

Lol

[scarlet basalt]

i don't think so ? Seems like it's true damage ?

[balmy storm]

No, it’s likely true damage

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe the first ennemy to do true damage ?

[valid jolt]

Ohh ok

[balmy storm]

Lore-wise it’s radiation technically but it’s so fast at eviscerating you that it’d basically be true damage

Funny microwave go brrrr

[valid jolt]

Now we’ll know how Margulis felt

[balmy storm]

And Yonta

[scarlet basalt]

Qorvex charinka pillar but for everyone 😍

[balmy storm]

I’m kinda bummed we didn’t actually see the jade light machine itself, but I’ll take an eximus

Heck, maybe that’s what Parvos is after like I said earlier
He wants the Jade Light

[valid jolt]

Maybe we’ll see it in the quest

[balmy storm]

I hope so!

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC yonta said that it can be wielded by hand ?
So it could also be that those units won't have any weapons but jade light ?

[valid jolt]

Parvos wants everything at this point. Bro already blackmailed Drusus for his entire museum, and now he wants a piece of the Jade Light

[balmy storm]

It might be situational, it can just be a gun essentially or it’s more elaborate and big for executions

The Myrmidon used the Jade Light as a weapon, so it can absolutely be weaponized beyond just eximus units
Though maybe that’s exactly what those units will be, individuals with jade light weapons

[balmy storm]

Man just wants to be an Orokin
And for that we shall kill him

[valid jolt]

Frr

[scarlet basalt]

"Oh my, the children must live and i must guide them" -Margulis
The hand wieldable particle accelerator :

[valid jolt]

Lol

[scarlet basalt]

they were insane to think about executing people with that kind of thing like what the hell 😭

[nova harness]

Margilus didn’t even see it coming

[balmy storm]

I mean, it’s painless

[valid jolt]

Whens the last time the Worm queen did anything? Was it during Vorunas update?

[scarlet basalt]

yess and zariman

[balmy storm]

There’s a reason it’s an honorable execution, no pain, no suffering, just a light and you’re gone.

[nova harness]

She didn’t even see the light

[balmy storm]

Eyes were fried before they could send a signal to the brain

[scarlet basalt]

which is weird given that the quest is on uranus and seems to be focused on retrieving something
Like it make much more sense if it was grineer...Because it's literally their planet

[nova harness]

Eyes were fried when she fought an Autistic kid

[balmy storm]

But it’s Stalker and Hunhow’s lair, they kicked everyone out
Now the Corpus are running amuck on Parvos’ stupid orders

[valid jolt]

Parvos is too rich

[balmy storm]

Was she blind after that?
Is that why she cast out Rell?

Cause bad reasoning, he clearly needed help like the others

[scarlet basalt]

The depressive atmosphere of his lair feels like it will be way more sentimental than we thought
There's also the lore of the stalker that really felt like hunhow know something is clearly wrong with the stalker

[valid jolt]

Still wishing there was a quest that took place during the Orokin Empire:/

[balmy storm]

There’s been a lot of hinting at what he is, Hunhow knows, Stalker knows, neither like it

[scarlet basalt]

It would be so strange to see HIS tenno ngl
Because like, it's literally a recurring ennemy that know everything but literally can't accept what he is, a kid lmao

[balmy storm]

I’m starting to think he was a low guardian only because he was the last of the generation 1 frames, the only one who never succumbed to the infestation, the only one who didn’t need a Tenno
But we shall see

[nova harness]

She probably cast him out because he blinded her or maybe she tried to help something happened he blinded her we don’t have much info

[scarlet basalt]

iirc the hint is that he is really a tenno, i doubt he would be anything other 🤔

[balmy storm]

That’s if he has a tenno at all, the truth is we don’t know what he actually is
He could be all frame
He could have a tenno
He could be something different entirely

[balmy storm]

It’s left unclear iirc

[valid jolt]

Is Stalkers real name actually Saurren or did someone make that theory up?

[balmy storm]

Still poor reasoning, he needed help and clearly wasn’t purposeful.

[rain otter]

That was at the end of the trailer.

[scarlet basalt]

it was said in the trailer iirc ?

[rain otter]

We also have https://www.warframe.com/news/the-reapers-lament

[balmy storm]

Is it Saurren or Sorrin

[scarlet basalt]

Most likely this is his name , or it's the name of jade's operator ?

[nova harness]

I heard Sorrin

[valid jolt]

I heard it but I didn’t think it was referring to the Stalker

[balmy storm]

I did too

[rain otter]

It is said by jade probably.

[valid jolt]

Yea it’s spelled something like that

[rain otter]

Said by a feminine voice.

[scarlet basalt]

Trueee that would be wild if it's her saying "his" name

[balmy storm]

I really doubt Stalker has a Tenno as their Operator
They could still have one, but considering he sleeps as just himself he probably is only himself

[valid jolt]

Did Stalker have a family in the past?

[rain otter]

Anyway this is Hunhow and the Stalker talking.

[balmy storm]

It’s likely Jade who said his name

[rain otter]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

That makes more sense

[balmy storm]

We don’t know, we don’t know really anything about him up until today and until Jade Shadows

[rain otter]

I was gonna get that. Those subtitles are by DE they aren't auto generated.

[balmy storm]

He’s Sorren
Flyyyin

[scarlet basalt]

Gran soren from dragon's dogma in warframe 😍

[rain otter]

I have questions about what is said here btw.

Cuz it messes with the timeline and things.

[scarlet basalt]

iirc even hunhow doesn't know if he has family/friend

[rain otter]

It's real werid.

[valid jolt]

How so?

[balmy storm]

Things we know (feel free to add on)
Stalker’s a “Low Guardian”
Stalker, at least in Duviri, is a Warframe
His name is/was Sorren
He hang out with Hunhow
He sleeps like a bat

[rain otter]

Cuz it talks about like crusades

[valid jolt]

I tried reading it but most of the text went over my head lol. I’ll wait until Gray or someone else can explain it in simpler terms

[rain otter]

Oh nvm I understand it now.

[balmy storm]

“You saw a flicker of their filth in yourself once. If only for an instant. Now I see it in your words. You know that you have run the gamut and come up short. No matter which way the tides drift, the only options left to you will bring a target upon your back.”
What are you Sorren

[nova harness]

He knows we killed the Orokin

[rain otter]

I think this means when Hunhow is talking to Stalker during second dream.

[balmy storm]

No ik that

[rain otter]

But also yeah.

Still werid.

[scarlet basalt]

Hunhow: You saw a flicker of their filth in yourself once. If only for an instant. Now I see it in your words. You know that you have run the gamut and come up short. No matter which way the tides drift, the only options left to you will bring a target upon your back.

STALKER: LET THEM COME.

Hunhow: They will, my Shadow. I only hope you are prepared. Your actions have consequences…

Well it confirmed that the mini boss fight is actually the stalker at its full potential no ? So likely the boss fight would be post new war + in the ascension gamemode

[rain otter]

Also this conversation proved that the Orokin did multiple like attacks into Tau.

[rain otter]

No? We are gonna play as him.

[balmy storm]

He ran the gamut and came up short
So did he try to look for his Operator? Did he try to find out if he was like us because he thought he was in that moment?

[scarlet basalt]

The ascension gamemode they've said that there will be a mini boss fight if you gather enough things in the gamemode (idk what is the thing to get but they've said that in devstream)

[balmy storm]

And why is there a target on his back for coming up short on this?

[rain otter]

Oh probably.

[balmy storm]

We play as stalker then beat him into the dirt

[rain otter]

If Stalker like is gonna try to do something real distract. We might end up seeking him out personally instead of him coming after us.

[nova harness]

Imagine we play as stalker and beat our normal Warframe into the dirt

[valid jolt]

Is Hunhow talking about Jade here?

[balmy storm]

That’d be cool

[rain otter]

MAYBE?

That's what I've been wondering.

[scarlet basalt]

it seems to be
i don't think that it could be anyone lese
I thought of Natah but idk it sound so weird

[balmy storm]

Yes, or for some reason Yareli Deluxe since Hunhow discovered that apparently

[scarlet basalt]

Bcz is like natah "joyous" ?

[rain otter]

Just dunking on Stalker.

[nova harness]

Imagine Hunhow is referring to a Water frame

Yareli deluxe maybe

[balmy storm]

They literally said he dredged her up

[nova harness]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

The last paragraph is making me think he tried to make a deal with her or something

[nova harness]

Hunhow finally telling Stalker he has skill issues

[valid jolt]

Lol

[rain otter]

It really sounds like Stalker is gonna do something drastic.

[valid jolt]

He’s been getting recked every time he tries to fight us so I don’t blame him

[rain otter]

What is he gonna do?

[balmy storm]

Feels like he offered her sentient adaptation to survive

[nova harness]

Ask for a new bow

[balmy storm]

“But why does Drifter get the cool bow, I want the cool bow papa Hunhow ):” - stalker probably

[valid jolt]

“Adapting her shape to better survive our shared prison” is throwing me off

[valid jolt]

Ohh wait I think he’s saying he saw Jade, and wanted to destroy her himself, but someone else beat him to the task and delivered to him her dying body. But idk tho

And instead of killing her off he offered her something, but she refused

[balmy storm]

Notably these messages happen before Jade shadows, so if its before and goes into Jade speaking to Stalker then Hunhow was likely talking about Jade

[balmy storm]

Sentient adaptation.

He knows she’s important to Stalker

[rain otter]

What if he doesn't he just felt bad.

[balmy storm]

Doubtful

[rain otter]

He just felt bad seeing a warframe just dying in front of him in the water.

[balmy storm]

It’s a warframe

[valid jolt]

Stalker and Jade have some backstory for sure

[balmy storm]

Unless Hunhow is becoming a good guy i doubt it

[nova harness]

Stalker is basically a Warframe too they chill most of the time

[balmy storm]

Oh absolutely

[nova harness]

Hunhow only hates people not on his side

[balmy storm]

He hates all humans wdym

[nova harness]

Humans aren’t on his side

[balmy storm]

He hates all Orokin
He calls all humans Orokin
He hates all humans

[balmy storm]

Except that one time

[nova harness]

Racist space grandad fishing contest when?

[valid jolt]

These parts are just confusing lol

[balmy storm]

He already won that, he caught a Yareli

[nova harness]

Should’ve sent Hydroid instead

Different story

[balmy storm]

First one is him commenting on how he rather use Hate than War
The second one is Hunhow talking about the Old War and the Naga Drums

We killed the Orokin, not them, to the sentients it’s a bitter victory

They get to be free, but we freed them, not themselves

[nova harness]

Even when I lose I win -Sentients probably

[scarlet basalt]

at thsi rate, with how confusing the lore is, we should wait the update

bcz like, what are you talking about stalker and hunhow 😭

[valid jolt]

“Nah, I’d win”

[balmy storm]

They chattin

[scarlet basalt]

they're arguing like they're a couple
so likely given that it's mid pride month stalker and hunhow actually kissed each other

[balmy storm]

Hunhow admires his weapons but sees Hate as an abnormal tool, it’s not stealthy, it’s a tool for cutting things down so new life can grow

The other message is just Hunhow talking about the old war and the night of the drums

[valid jolt]

Ohhh ok

[nova harness]

Hunhow hates Hate

[balmy storm]

Can’t tell if joke or not but unlikely, personally I don’t really read it as that either way

[balmy storm]

He do, he rather him use War because he sees it as a more befitting weapon, but Stalker prefers his Hate

I wonder if we’ll be able to scan pre-second dream stalker finally

Now that’d be a good update

[nova harness]

Unlikely

[balmy storm]

😔

Well, scan shadow stalker while you can
Maybe things will change again lol

[nova harness]

Stalker will still be Shadow Stalker based on the texts we saw

Plus it being after New War

[viscid quarry]

Also in the Uranus photo we saw

There’s narmer tech so narmer may be involved in the quest

[magic igloo]

about Yareli

also uh i figured out what will happen but idk if i should say it here because it's probably the point of the entire quest

[valid jolt]

Spoiler it using ||

Or just dm if you’re more comfortable

[magic igloo]

i'll spoiler it. but it really is a really big spoiler if true.

||Stalker becomes Jade. They're trans.||

[valid jolt]

Idkkk because the way he describes the female Warframes makes me think he’s talking about Jade. And it would make more sense because her name is in the quest

[valid jolt]

Oooo that’s a cool theory

[magic igloo]

no it literally says in the text about yareli's deluxe that it's her

[valid jolt]

Oh waitititit I think you could be onto something. ||Jades weapons are similar to Stalkers||

[magic igloo]

"emerges from watery depths imbued with the boldness and ferocity of hunhow himself"

[valid jolt]

Maybe Hunhow made the skin lol

[valid jolt]

Yea you might be right

If so then that would be awesome

[magic igloo]

hunhow also mentions a certain... ability that he's capable of performing

||hunhow transforms stalker using his terraforming powers just like he did with yareli||

[valid jolt]

Idk about that part. He’s clearly talking to Stalker. He even says “Did you see her too?”

[magic igloo]

yeah he is talking to stalker. he's talking about yareli

[valid jolt]

Maybe he’s talking about Yareli there

Yea

[rain otter]

Idk it could be jade.

She looks kinda sentientfied

Idk.

[valid jolt]

But I’m still on the fence whether or not it’s Yareli because there’s never been a deluxe skin that’s been apart of a certain quest like this

And plus, wouldn’t he mention Merulina if it really was Yareli?

[rain otter]

I think Jade is just gonna be a foil to Stalker maybe even a sibling or lover

Or something.

[magic igloo]

it is not jade, it confirms here that he's talking about yareli

[valid jolt]

We’ll see during the quest, but I get what you mean

[rain otter]

Fair.

[magic igloo]

just to make it more obvious

[valid jolt]

Ok yeaaa you might be right lol

Maybe this won’t be talked about in the quest and it’s just Yareli deluxe lore

[magic igloo]

just synonyms lol

[valid jolt]

That makes Yareli 0-2 against people she’s gone up against lol

[magic igloo]

back to the super spoilery stuff-- ||from the text of jade's helmet, "affirms" is a term used for trans stuff,, like "gender-affirming healthcare||

[valid jolt]

I wonder how Jade will be primed if that’s the case

[magic igloo]

||not to mention it's timed for june, when they're also donating to Trans Lifeline||

[valid jolt]

Yea it does add up

[viscid quarry]

Jades a warframe tho

Stalker isn’t unless you count duviri

He’s a low guardian and I doubt hunhow can make transferance bolts

[valid jolt]

I think Sorren got into a Warframe(not literally) long before he met Hunhow

[rain otter]

Everyone always asks this and we always get a prike.

[magic igloo]

did you read the latest lore thing? ||hunhow is literally trying to convince stalker to become a warframe||

[rain otter]

IDK IF THAT'S what he's saying.

[graceful zodiac]

Stalker is already using a frame

[rain otter]

It sounds like Stalker is gonna do something drastic idk about that part.

[rain otter]

We don't know that.

Did you read these?

https://www.warframe.com/news/the-reapers-lament

[graceful zodiac]

By all accounts, the covno reads far more as Hunhow either telling Stalker to give up or to go back to hunting

[rain otter]

It seems more than that. Cuz it sounds like he's gonna do something drastic.

[valid jolt]

Stalkers redemption arc

[rain otter]

||Like what must be done?||

[rain otter]

This would be cool if it happened I just doubt it.

[valid jolt]

What sells it for me is the fact that Jades weapons look similar to Stalkers

[magic igloo]

if you read up further theres even more proof ive found. it's incredible how much there is

[rain otter]

I know.

I just think Jade is gonna be a loved one.

Also a fem voice is even saying "Sorren" in the trailer.

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, but nothing about the convo suggests Hunhow is trying to convince him to become a frame, especially when Duviri already all but proves Stalker is at minimum using one

[rain otter]

I agree.

[valid jolt]

Plot twist; Jade and Stalker pull off a DBZ and fuse

[magic igloo]

i was moreso referring to one piloted by the operator

i do think he is already technically one

[rain otter]

Ehhh

[rain otter]

To both of those.

I read all of it.