spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

The left image does have the sorta scarf fabric thing that Umbra has
But that’s about it alongside the excal model lol

[obtuse gyro]

where is that left image from lol

[covert tree]

I don't know its so hard to find that version of stalker T_T because it was in for a short period before being changed back

[thick jolt]

Maybe its hard to find cause it doesnt exist

[balmy storm]

Could easily be fan made

[obtuse gyro]

it is

[obtuse gyro]

its fanart homie

stalker was never like this in reality

[valid jolt]

Lmao

[balmy storm]

Stalker just got that excal body cause he old development wise

[covert tree]

Here's the only official image of it

Watch the second dream opening cutsence I'm not wrong

It's hard to see but I'm not insane

[obtuse gyro]

Official? I dont think coming off pintrest makes it official does it?

[thick jolt]

That is shadow stalker without the armor

Your mythical umbra stalker does not exist

[obtuse gyro]

wow thats tiny

I'd zoom in and circle but it would get too pixelated

[covert tree]

It's hard to see but I ain't wrong I'm only calling it umbra stalker because the body design is extremely close

[balmy storm]

You can see the fabric folds

[obtuse gyro]

tada its under the armour

[thick jolt]

Well calling a chair a bed would still make you wrong that is shadow stalker

[covert tree]

I'm just saying because stalker loses his sentient armour so I was wondering where the loin cloth and extra stuff went it obviously was attached

[thick jolt]

Gameplay paradox most likely

Shadow stalkers gear imploded with him in the end of second dream but he kept using it as an enemy assassin

And then in the new war the extra bits are properly gone

[covert tree]

It sucks it looked cool eh he might change back in jade shadows MIGHT

[balmy storm]

Maybe the hunhow armor was itchy so he put some cloth there

[ocean void]

maybe the armor reduces his movement or that it’s bright and red seeking attention

[thick jolt]

Lol

[obtuse gyro]

they only generated that model for the shadow stalker, when we come to TNW we see him in default stalker, the only thing I can point this to is that the have two models to rig, normal and shadow, and in TNW he's using normal

he spends so inconsequential time as an armourless shadowstalker

[covert tree]

It sucks it looked pretty cool because it maid him less basic

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, its not like umbra, its unique, because unlike umbra he had a tailcoat

[covert tree]

Yeah but it is closeish

[ocean void]

getting by a stalker that know fashion is probably a curse thing

Also I think stalker wore the attachment so DE can promote people to buy his ware

[covert tree]

He obviously did not have the croses because that's a rank thing and no scarf is just for him to look different

[obtuse gyro]

rank thing?

the umbra spokes arent really a rank thing

[covert tree]

No it's like a medal

[viscid quarry]

It’s not even that

It’s just a bloody golden deco bit

[covert tree]

It isn't it is like a medal umbra had it in his portrait

[viscid quarry]

It ain’t a medal

It’s more likely just some ceremonial bit of Dax armor

[thick jolt]

What medal we have a screenshot of umbra just a few messages up in this chat there is nothing that looks like a medal

[covert tree]

I said like a medal

[viscid quarry]

what medal

There’s no medals on umbra

[thick jolt]

Only frame i remember that has anything that looks like a medal is loki prime

[viscid quarry]

Where here is a medal

[ocean void]

No where?

[covert tree]

I'm getting my stuff wrong I haven't played in over a week

[thick jolt]

That is pretty evident

[near rune]

Gotta be careful. They come with the receipts in this chat.

[thick jolt]

Yeah

Dont i know about it lol

[near rune]

I've been wrong too on occasion, and AtsiaZ shows me my place

[thick jolt]

Personally i feel being called out when you misremember something is a part of this chat

[near rune]

Hey, correcting misinformation is in everyone's interest

[nova harness]

You are still the nerdiest nerd

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[viscid quarry]

Was asking tiv

[near rune]

I won't deny it lol

[viscid quarry]

When you have a website in your head how can you deny it

[nova harness]

Gray who’s Sigor Savah?

[covert tree]

This started with me being confused about unarmoured shadow stalker

[near rune]

Corpus researcher who found Khora on Venus. Smokefinger's boss.

[nova harness]

Found Khora?

[thick jolt]

Hang around long enough in this and lore chat and that's how everything starts

everything

[covert tree]

Nah I'll come back with more stupid questions that will make people angry later

[thick jolt]

Lol you do that and we will be here with nothing better to do

[obtuse gyro]

nah youre fine, no ones mad

[thick jolt]

Keep forgetting where in game it is stored but there is a short story about that

[nova harness]

There was a tablet thing in a ghoul mission

[chilly pine]

dont those just give ghoul lore?

[thick jolt]

Quite a few fragments have hidden spoken messages if you find a spot in the image with audio interference

[near rune]

Yeah, he was defrosting stuff on Venus when he found Venari. Venari got loose and was just roaming around, Corpus tried to kill her, Sigor defected in order to save her. Later Sigor went to Cetus and trained Teasonai while searching for Venari and Khora on the Plains.

[covert tree]

I'm excited for jade shadows because believe it or not I like stalker and his roided children

[near rune]

I forgot how much I liked Sigor Savah. His delivery in the Khora story is so great.

[thick jolt]

It will be interesting thats for sure

Especially with jade's thematic opposition to stalker

[chilly pine]

i just hope itll be easier to get stalker weapons that arent dread

[nova harness]

Did they give Khora to Simaris?

[nova harness]

They said they are making it easier to get other weapons

[covert tree]

Jade looks like stalkers ex wife who lost the kids in the divorce

[near rune]

The Quills found Khora('s blueprints) and gave them to Simaris. Venari went into Sanctuary and stole the blueprint from Simaris. Then we go into Sanctuary and get them back via a terrible farm. Technically Venari gives us the blueprints if she likes us.

[thick jolt]

Depending on how good she is we will see who kept the kids lol

[covert tree]

She probably is lore wise gonna be stalkers ex partner or sister or something like that

[obtuse gyro]

I wanna say she's his muse

[thick jolt]

My big hopes for the quest is that they finally explain wtf is a "low guardian"

[covert tree]

Because it would make 0 sense for her not to mean anything to the shadow

[obtuse gyro]

because timeline wise I dont think he can be related to her in the flesh or partnership wise

[thick jolt]

Pls throw us a bone rebb

[obtuse gyro]

because his assassination days would have come only after we (inclusive of jade) killed the orokin

[covert tree]

He probably has some important connection to jade

[viscid quarry]

So that’s where all the edgy dialogue came from

Imagine if she’s just a bigger edge lord in the lore lmao

[viscid quarry]

We will get a kidney probably

Or marrow

[covert tree]

Omfg what if jade is stalkers goth mommy lol

[tawdry socket]

Hoping the Acolytes get any amount of lore along with stalker, at least some new steel path voice lines that don't reference Shadow Debt

[covert tree]

Yeah

[viscid quarry]

She has an Angel theme tho

[covert tree]

It was a joke

I know she's probably the exact opposite of stalker

[thick jolt]

....

God what if her deluxe skin is "biblically accurate angels"

[tawdry socket]

You've never met a goth girl, they're all angels

[viscid quarry]

Evidentially I haven’t

[tawdry socket]

Tenno: All women are queens!
Stalker: If she breathes, she's a THOT

[balmy storm]

Give her way too many rings and way too many wings

[covert tree]

And eyes

[sudden kernel]

Also always on fire

[covert tree]

But be not afraid

[balmy storm]

Don’t be afraid

[nova harness]

Afraid be not

[balmy storm]

Not afraid be

[outer pumice]

I remember some parts from Margulis story as well as a Nora Mix when they were talking about Orokin 7. The executors. Through game and sinthesis bits as well as leverian i think we were introduced to 3 of them. Now the interesting think is that they were executing Archimedeans and delivering their judgement "through a glimpse of the jade light"

[viscid quarry]

Afraid not be

[near rune]

We know 4 Executors as well as Nihil, whose specific title is not clear

[simple python]

Uh I found albrecht's grave in duviri. While farming roots

Forgive the photos. My screenshot thing is broken

[nova harness]

You see the other person there?

If you didn’t you might’ve just missed him

[near rune]

The Vagabond is only at Albrecht's grave during Envy spirals

[nova harness]

Why Envy though?

Was Albrecht envious?

[simple python]

I did see him. He laughed. Stood there. And then he disappeared when I took my camera off him

On another note... I know it's called the Spiral and everything's round and whatnot. All in your head, etc... but Duviri really reminds me of Junji Ito's Uzumaki

Idk. Maybe why I like the place so much

[grizzled oyster]

isnt it spiral because they're spiraling from emotion? not a literal spiral

[balmy storm]

Yeah

Also it isn’t all in our head

[grizzled oyster]

its sprung from our head though

kind of like the lobotomy corp universe if anyone knows that

mind projected unto reality a new physical dimension

[balmy storm]

Conceptual embodiment, trauma + duviri book = duviri being real

[grizzled oyster]

my only question with it is timeline

we know about albrecht's laboratory there

[balmy storm]

It’s in the void, it isn’t tied to a timeline

[grizzled oyster]

which means that it was 100% real at that point

[balmy storm]

It’s been 100% real since the Drifter created it, conceptual embodiment, concepts becoming real

[grizzled oyster]

not what i mean. the literary meaning of the word, as in chronological narrative

[balmy storm]

Oh, its about as old as the zariman incident

[grizzled oyster]

right, but this would indicate it was real before that too, i think?

since its where albrecht travelled to

[balmy storm]

No?

Albrecht traveled to it later, after the Zariman incident happened iirc

[real niche]

Duviri started to exist some short time after the protag took the deal with Wally in the Drifter timeline.

[balmy storm]

Not literally right after but sometime after that

[grizzled oyster]

then the drifter would know a lot about the beloved scholar

[balmy storm]

No

[grizzled oyster]

because everyone in duviri knew about him

and drifter was supposedly there since the beginning

[balmy storm]

If the Drifter met Albrecht it would’ve been stated somewhere by now

[grizzled oyster]

yes i know

[balmy storm]

They were, they made it

[grizzled oyster]

which is my timeline problem

[real niche]

What's the problem.

[grizzled oyster]

drifter should know albrecht

[balmy storm]

They know of him

[grizzled oyster]

or, albrecht was there before the drifter

[balmy storm]

But they don’t know him personally at the time of Duviri

Albrecht was there when Drifter was there, this doesn’t mean they met

[real niche]

I barely know anyone in my own town, Drifter can just... not have met Albrecht.

[balmy storm]

Albrecht was buddy buddy enough with Thrax, Drifter was not

[nova harness]

Albrecht was always busy with his job

[balmy storm]

That too

If he knew of Drifter and they met things would not have played out how they have

[grizzled oyster]

i propose the theory that the operator created duviri and the alternate drifter, as we know, but when creating duviri it made it so duviri had always existed prior also

[balmy storm]

It’s also likely that by the time Albrecht made it to Duviri the Drifter was already apathetic to everything, being executed every day

[grizzled oyster]

because of eternalism

hear me out

[balmy storm]

No, there’s no eternalism here

[nova harness]

Drifter created Duviri the quest literally says this

[balmy storm]

The Drifter made Duviri, not the Operator

[grizzled oyster]

all future and past events are equally real, making it so they continue to exist in the past

[grizzled oyster]

yes i know thats what i meant with that. they took the title of drifter after being there though

[balmy storm]

The Drifter may only exist because of the deal though, but that’s about it
The Drifter made Duviri sometime after the incident

[nova harness]

Drifter did have a totally friendly Director called the Void though

[balmy storm]

Yes yes conceptual embodiment

[grizzled oyster]

i talking about when the deal was made, thats the moment of creating duviri.

[balmy storm]

No it isn’t

[grizzled oyster]

if its moments after it isnt relevant at all so if you're gonna debate that dont

[balmy storm]

We see the moment Duviri is created, the Drifrer, still a child, creates it due to their trauma, reading of the Duviri book and exposure to the void

[nova harness]

Duviri was created when Drifter didn’t get a Deal

[real niche]

Then why bother bringing it up.

[grizzled oyster]

because y'all focused on the drifter detail earlier and i was trying to explain what i meant. nevertheless, my point was something different, as i mentioned earlier

it is an event in time

all points in time are equally real is the axiom by which the warframe universe works

eternalism as a philosophy of time states that all events are happening simultaneously, at all times

if you're in the past, the future event is still real

which would make the deal still a "canon" event at any point in the past

[real niche]

We have no info that Duviri existed before Drifter though. Afaik, Duviri only started to exist when Drifter created it.

[grizzled oyster]

the only way duviri would start to exist would be if the timeline was altered

[balmy storm]

Duviri did only start existing once Drifter made it, which was sometime after the incident

[balmy storm]

What timeline? The Drifter’s or the Operator’s?
Cause neither are altered, they both just exist

[nova harness]

Bro had a panic attack or something and Void grabbed his emotions making the book he read real

[balmy storm]

^

Duviri is accessible to the Operator’s timeline because it’s in the void
Duviri has existed as long as the incident has

Or approximately as long

[grizzled oyster]

that is a complete misunderstanding of eternalism

[balmy storm]

No, it isn’t.

[obtuse gyro]

Its not really

[grizzled oyster]

all events in time exist at all times

[balmy storm]

You’re not accounting for the void

[nova harness]

That’s not what Eternalism means in Warframe

[obtuse gyro]

You are, as of now, conflating that all of time is as real as the other, with all time existing in one single point in the block of time

[obtuse gyro]

Its not even what eternalism means irl

Eternalism turns time from a medium into a dimensional coordinate

[grizzled oyster]

all of time is as real as the other yes. do you want me to pull the quote from the game that says this?

or the one from wikipedia

dealer's choice

[obtuse gyro]

You wanna miss the part where they name it the block theory and why its named as such?

Again, youre conflating all time being real with all time existing at a single point in the block

[grizzled oyster]

it doesnt exist in a single point

but it exists

let me put it like this

[nova harness]

Presentism, the obsolete theory of linear time, posits that now is all that is real. In this frame, the Present Absolute, the now, moves constantly toward the future. And leaves the static past behind, discarded, consigned to unreality. The future remains to be discovered, but is less real than even the past. [...] The Void offers humanity the truer telling of Eternalism. That now is merely a facet of a great block. It is relative... and we can change the frame. The tyranny of the Present Absolute is overthrown. Tomorrow is now its equal

[grizzled oyster]

the act of drinking a cup of water doesnt make that water disappear from the past. but its still a real event, that is able to be observed at any point

anyone from the past could travel to duviri because duviri is created in the future

[nova harness]

They really couldn’t

[grizzled oyster]

"tomorrow is now its equal" "it is relative, and we can change the frame"

talking about how time is real at all points simultaneously and can be visited from any other point

[obtuse gyro]

The assumption here is that albrecht "changed the frame" to go to duviri. The issue I have with your stance is that I dont see a reason to assume he changed his temporal coordinate, instead of just heading to duviri after it was made

[balmy storm]

The timeline works for it just existing and then he goes there

[obtuse gyro]

What you've misunderstood here is that just because all time is real, doesnt translate to "duviri has been there all along". We know that even if the void is an untime place, where time doesnt flow 1:1 with reality there is still a chain of causality between the void (thus duviri) and reality. Thus as much as the existence of duviri does become "theoretically accessible" in the great block of time, duviri still only exists past that temporal coordinate of time.

Albrecht would have to (and he might have been able to) change his time, except theres nothing saying he took that extra step to reach duviri instead of just going there because the event of its creation already happened in reality

[grizzled oyster]

a big reason for it is the aforementioned drifter-scholar connection and the fact that all of the duviri fragments are presented as being in an extreme past. there's also no mention ever of us in a distant event of the past

if the drifter has been there from the start, wouldnt it make sense for there to be something more about them? considering they're what everything is circling around

[obtuse gyro]

The "aforementioned drifter-scholar relation" you mean the part where you asserted that drifter should have known albrecht?

[grizzled oyster]

or vice-versa, considering the resets are the result of the death of the drifter

which is supposedly always executioned? (in a public event, too)

[obtuse gyro]

Why would it? The records are not omnipotent

[grizzled oyster]

or was, you know what i mean

[grizzled oyster]

why would you record everything else and not the central part of your universe

[obtuse gyro]

Because its plausible as a world that you gave the reigns away as part of your defense mechanism

Drifter is not recognised as the "central part of [his] universe"

he doesnt even recognise it

Not to mention, the executions, if they go further with the parallel that is implied to exist between lodun and quinn (the men with the tablet), are not exclusive to the drifter

[obtuse gyro]

Let me try to understand your argument:

You initially suggested that the operator was the one who created duviri, or albrecht went to a duviri that exists from the past, as a way to resolve the tension of there being no records of the drifter in the snippet of Duviri's lost island archive?

[grizzled oyster]

i didnt suggest that

i was talking about the person who made the deal

they both did, since they're both that person

i just said operator since it was easier to distinguish chronologically

i wont be replying anymore since i gotta go to sleep

already stopped 30 minutes ago but then you pinged me

[obtuse gyro]

Eh then go to sleep then

Get a "wake up tenno" 8hrs from now

[obtuse gyro]

Wait nah hang on you did say what I meant, and answer when you wake, but this is exactly what I meant. Even if you change the meaning of operator to "the one who made the deal" you still put forth the idea that the drifter "alternate" was made alongside duviri, instead of the drifter "alternate" making duviri

[grizzled oyster]

as in both are a result of the deal

you can also say the operator was created by the deal

it really doesnt matter because both are true its just a splitting of the path

i just needed a way to phrase it at that point

[obtuse gyro]

Ah, then awkard wording then to put that idea forth, since otherwise it would read reaaaally differently that what youre actually saying

[grizzled oyster]

its 2:30 am dude thats as good as you're gonna get

[obtuse gyro]

Homie getcho booty in bed now

[dense ice]

Is it me or does real loid sound like squidward without the nose clog

[valid jolt]

I see it

[obtuse gyro]

You mean you hear it

[thick jolt]

but do they feel it ?

[upbeat walrus]

He guys, I've got a question, who is Isaah in warframe's lore?

[valid jolt]

Yes

[valid jolt]

And yes

Also @obtuse gyro whats your major?

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra's dead son

[obtuse gyro]

Political Science

[upbeat walrus]

ah

[valid jolt]

O. I thought Sith said it was philosophy

[obtuse gyro]

I keep saying Im not a philo nerd

Its the wrong P

[valid jolt]

Well judging by your extremely long explanations, I would assume you’re a philosopher nerd lol

But it’s good to be knowledgeable tho. I wish I could write Harvard rated essays like you, but who knows maybe one day

[obtuse gyro]

If they were harvard rated why am I not in harvard

[valid jolt]

Uhhhhh

[obtuse gyro]

Jk discord is not the platform for any replica of an actual research paper. Im more akin to those blog posts which are closer to op-eds than research papers

[thick jolt]

bau went to shmarvard

[valid jolt]

LOL

I bet Bau goes to either Georgia Tech or Stanford

Or some other great university that I’m not aware of

[thick jolt]

I'm not aware of any great university

[obtuse gyro]

While I would love to answer that question Im not going to dox myself so easily

[valid jolt]

Lol fair fair

[obtuse gyro]

But safe to say, whatever is off the top of your head, its not it

[valid jolt]

What got you into Warframe lore anyways?

[obtuse gyro]

Warframe

Im just a sucker for games with good lore (that I am relatively good at)

As such Im a destiny and warframe lore nerd

Now if I was good at DS games I might be able to be proficient at their lore

But I get beat too much to pay attention

[valid jolt]

I’ve been wanting to get into Destiny lore but I refuse to spend my entire life savings to access the game in its entirety:/

[obtuse gyro]

Good news! There is a website where almost all the lore is on

[valid jolt]

Like an Orokin Archives but Destiny?

[obtuse gyro]

You'll miss out on the experience but you get most if not all the content

[obtuse gyro]

Yes, and as much as I love Gray's work... its way more comprehensive

Not Gray's fault tho, Ishtar has a whole team. Gray is on his own

[valid jolt]

Is Destiny lore harder to comprehend orrr?

[obtuse gyro]

Theres more to it than warframe

Like we warframe nerds thrive on quest transcripts and the occasional codex entry

Destiny has a whole collection of lorebooks spanning 10 years and two games

[valid jolt]

Wow

[obtuse gyro]

And thats on top of quests campaigns, activities

[obtuse gyro]

Mind you the books arent necessarily long ones

But theres many of them

[valid jolt]

I love reading so that ain’t a problem lol

[obtuse gyro]

The fortune for the ishtar team is that theyre using an api scraper to get the entries

So they dont have to manually input all of it

But it comes at the cost of being unable to transcribe the physical lorebooks that come with the collectors edition or the anthology series

Also because I think the team said they didnt want to transcribe those paid ones I think?? (Not the same as playing the game and earning the books)

The good thing is that other people transcribe them all the same and upload them online so googling the collectors edition transcript will always net you results

[obtuse gyro]

Great, just google ishtar collective website

[valid jolt]

I’ll try and explore it when I have the time

[obtuse gyro]

Theres also the Ishtar Collective discord server as well as the Cryptarchy discord server where you can ask very knowledgeable people on the lore

[valid jolt]

What game do you think has the more interesting lore, in your opinion?

Between Warframe and Destiny

[obtuse gyro]

I dont recommend the D2 community discord server, the lore chat there was a cesspool before I got banned for a weed joke

[valid jolt]

Dayum

[obtuse gyro]

More interesting would be destiny, warframe is still interesting but destiny... man thats fun

My favourite topics would be the Traveler and Witness

Which coincidentally is the central focus of the upcoming expansion launch of June 4th

[valid jolt]

Yea I’ve heard about the megamind looking guy and the new upcoming update. Tbh the only character who ik a lot about in Destiny would be Cayde since I watched a lot of trailers involving him

Isn’t the gun he uses, Ace, like in memory of his daughter/son?

[obtuse gyro]

The funny thing about that is... no one knows if the kid is even real

[valid jolt]

Ohhh ok

[obtuse gyro]

Imo the kid isnt and cayde just made up that story lololol

[valid jolt]

Wait wait so is Cayde delusional??

Or like has he experienced trauma that’s made him think he has a kid?

[obtuse gyro]

He's just a cheeky bugger trying to hold onto hope

[valid jolt]

Well that’s sad LOL

Still like him as a character tho

[obtuse gyro]

Well, nows a good time as any to learn cayde lore

Like, an especially good time

Like a june 4th good time

[valid jolt]

True true. I saw that he’s coming back in the new update

Lol mind if I friend you on discord to ask about more Destiny related stuff? I don’t want the mods to start getting angry

[obtuse gyro]

Oh yea sure

[valid jolt]

Okokok

And Sith is also a Destiny lore nerd right?

[obtuse gyro]

Anyways, to appease the mods, I find it very enjoyable to compare Wally with the Witness, since a central tenet to them is to do with the consciousness

Where wally at the very least scrapes the consciousness of other beings and the Witness is the gestalt fusion of an entire species' consciousness

[obtuse gyro]

That Im not too sure

[valid jolt]

Ok I’m looking at the website rn and….there’s so much lol

[valid jolt]

Ahh ok

[obtuse gyro]

Theres a timeline section, alternatively much like warframe, pick a topic and rabbithole yourself down them

[valid jolt]

Is there a Destiny lore youtuber who’s good at explaining the story?

[obtuse gyro]

Technically theres byf... but in recent times I dont find him as credible as I would like

You can use him as a rough guide through the timeline, but take him with a pinch of salt

Dont use mattpatt, he accidentally peddled the traveler is evil hoax

[valid jolt]

Hmm where do you recommend I start on the website? Like what’s the beginning of the story?

[obtuse gyro]

Depends, do you want the beginning of it all, or the beginning of your story

I recommend starting with your own story

Trying to go back to the beginning of time will be hard if you have no basis

Same with warframe. Cant be learning about the orokin empire without knowing who you are

[valid jolt]

Beginning of your story

[obtuse gyro]

Well pop over to the timeline section then

The benefit that warframe has over destiny is the simplicity of who is culpable

Aka the orokin

Every problem can be traced easily to the orokin

[valid jolt]

Sooo the beginning of the story for Destiny would be Ancient Past?

Or is that like the veryveryvery beginning?

[obtuse gyro]

For the world itself, very very very ancient past, but that would not make sense whatsoever if you dont know what has happened the past 10 years

Also werent we supposed to take this to dms lol

[valid jolt]

Ohh right lol

I’ll dm you when I’ve read a decent amount and then nerd out everything I’ve learned

[tawdry socket]

So I tried looking for the answer and couldn't, so

Why is Albrecht not a weird blue skinned, asymmetrically armed orokin like the rest of his family?

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht even before the first void trip already had symmetrical arms

As to not being blueskin, id wager it has something to do with his healing process from the void incident ordeal, new skin and all

[tawdry socket]

Ahhh right I forgot about the special bath salts

[valid jolt]

Yea Albrecht in his painting looks closer to the skin-tone of Orokin, but after the Wally incident he looks completely different

[nova harness]

Bro lost his skin it’s understandable

[viscid quarry]

Hell he was basically just a moving corpse

It’s a miracle he lived

[nova harness]

Loid gave him plot armour

[valid jolt]

When I first saw him during the Whispers in the Wall demo I literally thought to myself self “Is Albrecht apart of a group of people who’re controlling Wally or something and our entire world is like a simulation?” because of his appearance and all of the modern day looking things LOL

Feels silly thinking back to that now…

[nova harness]

I originally thought it was Wally and not Albrecht or he actually found another way to swap bodies

[blazing prism]

What do you do when your ordis is back to the original one even after completing the new war

[balmy storm]

Do you have spoiler mode on?

[blazing prism]

How do I turn off

[obtuse gyro]

Its in yo settings

[blazing prism]

Where at or what do I search

Found it

[ocean void]

wait, we have two Ordis to listen?

I thought we can only listen to the latest one

[warm anvil]

just a visual difference

[astral jackal]

So... The operator/drifter fully controls the frame, right? Does it mean that the animation kits are just operator role playing as his warframe?

[floral matrix]

my hc is that thats all thats left of the og person's self, plus the basic survival instincts that take hold when the operator isnt controlling them, like in the second dream

[balmy storm]

Yes and maybe
The animation sets may be muscle memory of the frames from when they were human, notably all generation 1 warframes had some level of sapience before the insurrections caused by them going feral

[floral matrix]

but idk any concrete lore abt it

[balmy storm]

Dante was a gen 1 and was smart enough that he wrote, a lot
I doubt that all just went away, some semblance of personality is likely still within all Warframes

[astral jackal]

I kinda doubt that Wisp's prototype could copy herself and fly)

[balmy storm]

For swapping between sets that’s more a gameplay thing afaik, it’s for fashion lol

[astral jackal]

Or the operator is having a bit of fun

[balmy storm]

Wdym prototype?
And she def could have, all warframes use void tech to power their abilities, that tech is separate from the Operator/Drifter’s void abilities

[astral jackal]

By prototype I mean her human form

[balmy storm]

So just when she was human
Yeah, she prob didn’t fly and what not but she still may have had that personality to some extent

And if she was gen 1 then she did have some level of sapience before the insurrections

[floral matrix]

i mean, who wouldnt float around and play w their clone, if given the ability to do so

[balmy storm]

Real

[astral jackal]

Real

[balmy storm]

I love how equinox will play with her day or night form when given Wisp’s animation set

Equinox rework so I can play them and enjoy that more when 😔

[astral jackal]

Man, I belive that human Wisp was one of the sweetest persons to be around with

[balmy storm]

It’s possible!

Iirc she was made to be a protector for Earth so Ballas may have taken personality in account when creating her for that purpose

[obtuse gyro]

I mean regardless of generation the original blueprint had to have been taken from someone who had a personality lol

[floral matrix]

also that little laugh-motion she does w the noble primary animations is just so cuteeeee

[balmy storm]

Oh of course!

Wisp is one of the cutest frames

[obtuse gyro]

Theres no need to split the generations, both will have personalities, only one of them is capable of full self expression

[astral jackal]

I wish that more prime trailers would show frame's personality

Gauss is the perfect example

[floral matrix]

google, how to date a warframe? please pls pls

[balmy storm]

I mean you could, but you’d either be dating an eventually feral beast or a puppet controlled by a paradoxical space child / space adult

One is death the other leans towards creepy-

[floral matrix]

id let her kill me

what? who said that?

[astral jackal]

Kinda funny how Wisp is both the cutest pie and S U N I S T H E D E A D L Y L A S E R

[balmy storm]

Death by IMPALEMENT as she promptly stabs you to death

[rain otter]

Portal to the sun is hilarious still.

[balmy storm]

I hate the sun, I love wisp

[astral jackal]

I do wonder how Harrow interacts with others. Is he creepy or kina weird, but in a cool way?

[balmy storm]

Good question, I’d think he’s maybe kinda awkward but a delight when you get to know him

Depends how you characterize his animations tbh

He’s also one of the only frames tied to a cult so. There’s that-

[floral matrix]

i prefer the noble one, i choose to consider it canon

[balmy storm]

Both would be canon

[floral matrix]

ahh true

[astral jackal]

I also wish to see more Umbra. He is such a great character. Would be interesting to see his reaction to drifter

[floral matrix]

they really forgot abt him huh

[astral jackal]

Seems like it...

Now Arthur is our new smart Excalibur

[floral matrix]

e-xcalibur, even

or no, i-xcalibur

[astral jackal]

While umbra is ex-calibur

[floral matrix]

depresse-xcalibur

[prime lantern]

Inaros had a cult

[balmy storm]

Was that a cult?

[prime lantern]

P sure

Atlas fought a cult protea protects the leader of a cult

I think the kids worship nezha now could be wrong on that

[balmy storm]

I think in Inaros’ case it depends on how cultish his followers were
Atlas fighting a cult is different
Protea does just straight up defend a cult leader
Nezha’s case isn’t a cult, since worship doesn’t necessarily mean cult

I wouldn’t call what the Ostrons have with the Unum a cult for example and they love her

[nova harness]

Warframes protected a cult of blue people before murdering said cult

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t call the Orokin a cult personally

[prime lantern]

Idk man they seemed pretty cultish

[tropic venture]

Inaros didn't have a cult, that was just a normal society with a religion

[prime lantern]

They revered themselves as God's killed any who disagree with them killed people who disappointed them killed people because they wanted to

[balmy storm]

They did see themselves as gods, that is pretty cultish

[balmy storm]

There’s a fine line between cult and religion, idk where it is but I agree that the martians weren’t cultists

[nova harness]

Is Albrecht the only white Orokin?

[balmy storm]

Probably not

They had refacia kits, while we kinda only see blue Orokin they had the ability to come in a range of colors

mostly blue

[tropic venture]

we have yet to see an Orokin without the blue skin that was their fashion trend (post-rebirth Albrecht is less blue, but still blue-ish)

[balmy storm]

Blue adjacent

[rain otter]

Since the blue skin and long arms is just something 5hey give themselves I always wanted a plot line about someone that like fakes it till they make it as a Orokin.

Also even amount Orokin there are different level lf perfectness that is stated I'm like some fragments.

[tropic venture]

yeah Orokin were not all equally ranked

The Seven were the very highest

[rain otter]

I mean specifically like

A Orokin sees one of the only alive Orokin left and goes "his face isn't perfect he's probably a lowerish class"

[balmy storm]

Different levels of perfection feels like an oxymoron
It’s either 100% perfect or not perfect what

That or I’m just tired

[viscid quarry]

Blame the orokin

[balmy storm]

I can and always will

[rain otter]

So I'm just imagining some great scammer or scoundrel in old war or even current times getting hold of or making their own slightly bad verison or make their own like skin dyer/bod mod.

[balmy storm]

Literally everything is their fault

[nova harness]

Duviri is half their fault

[balmy storm]

Wally?
Orokin
Us?
Orokin
Grineer, Corpus, Sentients?
Orokin
The Infestation may or may not have been made by them, but they used it and bioengineered it further
It’s all their fault

[rain otter]

I want Jimmy the random schumk to turn themselves into an Orokin

[balmy storm]

No, it’s their fault
That jerk Tuvul could’ve idk, helped the people of the Zariman like he said he would and listened about the jump being a bad idea but nooo he can’t handle things not going his way

[viscid quarry]

Then do so

[balmy storm]

I blame the orokin

[viscid quarry]

Good hahaha good

[nova harness]

The Void takes half the blame

[rain otter]

Imagine we get a quest whee we are contacted by one of the last "Orokin" survivors and you figure out they aren't a actual Orokin.

[nova harness]

Is Corpus the Orokins fault?

[balmy storm]

I don’t think that’s fair to blame the void, it was just doing what it always does
Like if my house burns down from a fire I’m not gonna blame the fire, I’m gonna blame the guy who didn’t listen about fire safety

[rain otter]

Ehhhh kinda

[balmy storm]

Yes, they could’ve stopped them and didn’t

[tropic venture]

Parvos formed them in response to Orokin oppresion

as is directly described in the Tenets, some of the most easily-accesible lore texts

[viscid quarry]

Yes

Now lemme ask you all, is amaris the fault of the orokin

[tropic venture]

ehhhh

[balmy storm]

What’s amaris again

[viscid quarry]

stretches muscles

[balmy storm]

what

oop bye gif

[viscid quarry]

Wait what… why didn’t the link work

[balmy storm]

rip

[viscid quarry]

Ima dm it

[balmy storm]

I saw a dude and then he was gone

Ok lol

[nova harness]

If everything is the Orokins fault is me wanting to kill the Infested the Orokins fault?

[viscid quarry]

Yes

[nova harness]

Is Gravity the Orokins fault?

[viscid quarry]

Yes

[nova harness]

If I move the Zariman what happens to Duviri?

[tropic venture]

Nothing, really. Via Eternalism the Zariman is stuck in the Origin System, in the Void and in Duviri all at once

Moving the Zariman would unplug the massive Void fissure it's plugging up tho, which would be a bigger problem

[balmy storm]

That’s not what eternalism does…

[balmy storm]

Which one are we talking about
Drifter’s or Operator’s

[nova harness]

Whatever one we see in the sky while in Duviri

[tropic venture]

There is only one Zariman, but Void allows it to "exist" in "multiple" places at once. The one in Duviri is the same one that's in the Origin System

[balmy storm]

That’s Drifter’s Zariman

[nova harness]

Then what happens?

[tropic venture]

I mean, the giant Void rift gets unplugged

leading to who knows what level of chaos

[nova harness]

Sounds fun

I might try it

Better get into Duviri to find out

[tropic venture]

idk how much Duviri would be affected by it, maybe more Reality-based things would enter it but

Reality gets the short straw with Void-based things entering it

[balmy storm]

Unplug the Zariman and void storms overtake the system

[nova harness]

Does this include Duviri though?

[balmy storm]

No

[tropic venture]

Duviri is already in the Void, I have already said how Duviri would be affected

[balmy storm]

It would be largely unaffected other than the new giant hole that may or may not just seal up

[nova harness]

Everyone get to Duviri now before I move the Zariman

[tropic venture]

Duviri would probably get more Reality-based things entering it

but that's nowhere near as bad as Reality gets it

[nova harness]

Actually is it possible to move the Zariman?

[tropic venture]

Probably

[nova harness]

Yonta always says don’t but never says it’s possible to

[balmy storm]

It’s possible, but you shouldn’t

[tropic venture]

Its Reliquary Drive should still be functional, and its normal engines too

[balmy storm]

I would not activate the drive

[tropic venture]

tho tbf its normal engines are probably Void-powered by now

[tropic venture]

Surely nothing would go wrong

[nova harness]

If I do I might see a man

[tropic venture]

There are better men

[balmy storm]

Actually, it is active, the Grineer activated it again iirc

[tropic venture]

Well they're trying to with Kuva

[balmy storm]

You won’t see a man
You’ll see yourself, out the corner of your eye, smiling.

[nova harness]

I use Drifter so wouldn’t it be see myself as a kid?

[balmy storm]

Weren’t they trying to siphon Kuva off of it?
They have no other reason to activate it

[balmy storm]

Yes

[tropic venture]

Possibly, the Kuva Trokarians are from them meddling with the Relic

[nova harness]

Who keeps giving Wally the password to my brain?

[balmy storm]

Interesting how Wally will always take on the Operator’s appearance, probably because Operator took the deal rather than the Drifter

[balmy storm]

They should really stop doing that

[tropic venture]

That and for coding reasons

[balmy storm]

Meanwhile, Parvos trying to scrounge up any void info he can

[nova harness]

Could an adult Wally even do all the sitting hanging and stuff like that?

[tropic venture]

Parvos would sell his remaining hand for some Kuva

[balmy storm]

Only real issue I could see is the bones not matching up tbh but they could’ve made it work if they thought it was relevant to do

[tropic venture]

I mean yeah, he's not really a physical being with muscles or logic in his movement

[nova harness]

But is there the space to do that with the size difference

[balmy storm]

He doesn’t want Kuva from the Zariman afaik, but yeah he prob would

[tropic venture]

model-wise? No, not really
canon-wise? yeah probably

[balmy storm]

Tbh for hypothetical Drifter Wally just give him a different animation set entirely

[nova harness]

Just make the Orbiter bigger

[tropic venture]

tbf he might already have some, hence him knowing Voidtongue before the Protea incident

[balmy storm]

Literally just check which the player is using and adjust accordingly

[nova harness]

Orbiter MK3

[balmy storm]

Yup, I still want to know how he knew so much while trapped in a void
His own personal void

[nova harness]

I saw old pictures of Orbiter being super tiny

[tropic venture]

He was basically isolated during it, he's only begun to have access to Reality again since Deadlock Protocol

[balmy storm]

I’m also convinced he knows how to use conceptual embodiment because he literally summons up a fake board room
There’s def some void stuff going on with him, his sisters are defeated by voidtongue lol

[tropic venture]

He has full control over the Granum Void so yeah

[nova harness]

He has Void powers

Wally vs Parvos who wins?

[balmy storm]

He had access to info he shouldn’t though, he’s been watching the origin system from his void
I’m not sure it was stated that was due to the deadlock protocol

Unrelated what’s a defixio

[tropic venture]

He does have "the Devil in his eye" (aka. the same Void-eyes that we have, and that we saw Vala get when she got thrown in the Granum Void)

[viscid quarry]

Reality is fickle and he backslaps it in the face regularly

[balmy storm]

He actually doesn’t have the void eyes, I thought he did but it was the light’s reflection iirc
He’s def suspicious on the void front though

[tropic venture]

Old Orokin relic, true purpose kinda unknown, tampers with surrounding reality when broken/malfunctioning

[nova harness]

Cursed tablets that have power

[balmy storm]

I meant in-game what does it do not lore wise 😭
I forgot what they are and my friend is asking

I do appreciate the explanation though lol

[tropic venture]

Pickups in Abyssal Zone, each player needs one to extract

gives debuffs when held

[nova harness]

We aren’t given much info on them past they have power and were disliked for having power

[balmy storm]

OH it’s from Dagath’s thing, right?

[nova harness]

Yes

[viscid quarry]

Yep and it rewards vainthorns

[balmy storm]

That’s why I didn’t recognize it thank you!

[tropic venture]

It's how you get Vainthorns, yes

[nova harness]

presumably created by Corphel and Irilia

Why can a Warframe even handle a curse?

[tropic venture]

why would it not be able to

[nova harness]

Because it’s a curse

[tropic venture]

and the whole "curse" thing about them is 100% just for the spooky hallow's eve vibes

[nova harness]

I bet Wally would be immune to the curse

[balmy storm]

My friend accidentally is doing the dagath mission lmao

[tropic venture]

Void tends to be indifferent (heh) to most Reality things, so probably

[nova harness]

Wait till they realise they are out of keys

[balmy storm]

I think they were just trying to complete starchart lol

[tropic venture]

it annoys me how Abyssal Zone stays blinking even after doing it

[nova harness]

Does it even count towards Steel Path?

[tropic venture]

just cause you have keys (but the other key missions don't blink so)

[balmy storm]

Probably not

[tropic venture]

No key missions do

[balmy storm]

Sounds like they coded it different, oops

Which is weird since they’ve had key missions for a while

At least since salad infested himself like an idiot

[nova harness]

The thing I hate about the zone is it has no matchmaking

[balmy storm]

We really need to take his plot armor away smh

[tropic venture]

hey it's cause we helped him in past events

most of Alad V's arc was in limited events

same for Tyl Regor

[balmy storm]

He isn’t even the greater of the two evils, he’s just the objectively funnier option lol

[viscid quarry]

Tell ‘em that they have to do it 7 times

[balmy storm]

like they both suck, equally but salad is funny

[balmy storm]

Do they actually?!

[tropic venture]

Tyl Regor is super cool wdym

[balmy storm]

I was talking about Nef

[tropic venture]

ah right

[balmy storm]

Tyl is cool, between him and Salad Tyl is the better choice

[tropic venture]

yeah Nef Anyo is just a goober

[balmy storm]

One day we’ll punch his lights out

[tropic venture]

he's needed for quests so

it'd have to be in a later quest

[viscid quarry]

Yes totally

[balmy storm]

😭

[viscid quarry]

Well good luck

Oh and if he fails one he has to re do the seven

[tropic venture]

each completion gives an unskippable 30-minute monologue from Alad V about The Orokin Seven

[balmy storm]

I’m not telling her to do that 😭

[viscid quarry]

Then there’s no sp for her

[balmy storm]

rip

[viscid quarry]

are you gonna damn her to that?

or will you let her go try

[balmy storm]

she shoulda been like me and gotten to sp when the derelict was still around

[viscid quarry]

Well it’s too late for her

Least you can do is provide moral support

[balmy storm]

Speaking of, did anybody else get 2 of the sp derelict trophies?

[balmy storm]

I am

[viscid quarry]

Duviri and I think zariman here

[balmy storm]

You duped duviri and zarimans?
Very nice

[tropic venture]

Eternalism....

[balmy storm]

Love both of those trophies so much, set em next to eachother on my dormizone shelf in just such a way that the Zariman one lights up half of the Duviri mask

[balmy storm]

Eternalism is not the answer to everything 😭

[viscid quarry]

Wait what

[balmy storm]

I was talking about how I had duped my derelict sp trophy, since I got it before the deimos update and another was given after the update

[nova harness]

Why does everyone get Eternalism wrong?

[tropic venture]

because it's an arbitrary concept with a vague description, and its direct applications can vary based on interpretation of wording

[prime lantern]

Vague description is a really weird way of saying it's short and not complex

The description isn't vague at all its exactly what the actual theory of eternalism is

Like eternalism presentism and futurism/growing block are real things

Eternalism is just the notion that your past present and future are all happening and equally real

[nova harness]

Void offers humanity the truer telling of Eternalism. That now is merely a facet of a great block. It is relative... and we can change the frame. The tyranny of the Present Absolute is overthrown. Tomorrow is now its equal

[balmy storm]

I wish we could just retake the eternalism quiz, just so people can have it

[prime lantern]

Like saying blank thing is eternalism is 9/10 wrong

Revenant is conceptual embodiment

[tropic venture]

yes, I know

[prime lantern]

No need for timey whimey shenanigans

[tropic venture]

This reply was meant as a joke reply for you having two of the SP decorations

[balmy storm]

No ik mine was a joke too, sorry if it didn’t come across that way

[prime lantern]

Granted de has lumped there multiverse in with Eternalism so the multiverse falls under warframes Eternalism

[balmy storm]

Eternalism has only been used twice iirc
The Operator/Drifter and Baro’s deal iirc?

I’m fuzzy on the second example tbh

[tropic venture]

Baro's Deal is Wally, not Eternalism

[nova harness]

And a class on it

[tropic venture]

Baro took a Deal, like the Operator did

[balmy storm]

No, I know

I mean how there were other baros and now there’s 1
Wally collapsed the timelines so there’s only a singular Baro

[tropic venture]

ye

[balmy storm]

Not really eternalism since instead of taking both options you’re entirely eliminating them so that there’s only 1
Meanwhile the Operator’s situation was eliminating all but 2

[nova harness]

Technically Operator and Drifter are combined now

So only 1

Void silloquette

[balmy storm]

2n’t

[tropic venture]

That is tied to Eternalism tho, he's now a single "instance" across all "versions", instead of separated ones in each "timeline"

[nova harness]

Did wally lose any power giving us powers

[balmy storm]

Yes, I mean the deal itself wasn’t the act of eternalism
It is still tied to the concept though

[tropic venture]

Drifter and Operator can exist separately from eachother only in the Void, in Reality they exist together as one entity

[near rune]

You can. By replaying The New War! It's worth it just for that, right?

[balmy storm]

No, it doesn’t appear he did
Only power he ever lost was when his finger got chopped

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[balmy storm]

Considering I kinda did just for that, yeah lol
It def makes more sense the second time around

[near rune]

Fibonacci says that he and the Cavia have something to do with Eternalism, but doesn't really explain and it's not brought up again, and it doesn't make sense.

[nova harness]

Easier to watch someone do the test on YouTube

[balmy storm]

Yippee :|
Thanks Astarian fish

[tropic venture]

the whole "one instance across all versions" is how we cheat death, cause even if they kill us then we still exist in all other "versions", so we technically did not get killed. It's a loophole to avoid the logic of Reality

[nova harness]

Why does GrayArchon know everything about Warframe?

[near rune]

I write it all down at least once (for the Archives) so all of Warframe lore has passed through my head at one point. I don't have an eidetic memory or anything but it's all rattling around in there. Not having many other hobbies also helps.

[tropic venture]

Ballas throwing us into the Void after killing us was basically chucking us in the hole and putting a lid on it

[balmy storm]

What pieces of lore do you think about the most?

[nova harness]

Gray can you explain a Void Silloquete to me?

[near rune]

Albrecht stuff. His Vitruvian story is still my favourite piece of lore ever, and the grimoire notes are fascinating too. Acrithis' archives on Duviri are also really interesting to me.

[balmy storm]

Wait is that what we see through the void mirror in Voruna’s moon?
Earth’s void silhouette??

[near rune]

I have no idea what that means

[nova harness]

It’s what Quinn says

[balmy storm]

Same, I love all things void and Duviri, it’s all so fascinating to me

[near rune]

oh yeah. not sure how much substance there is to this, honestly.

[tropic venture]

Drifter and Operator

[balmy storm]

So we are 2

[prime lantern]

Headcanon

[near rune]

Well yeah that part's obvious. I meant the question about Void silhouettes and their nature. Quinn doesn't really give us anything to go off of.

[thick jolt]

Really need more content in the zariman so the holdfasts have more time to give us lore crumbs

[balmy storm]

We aren’t combined, we’re literally 2 but also 1
Not a combination or fusion, but simultaneously existing as both?

[nova harness]

Can Holdfasts leave the Zariman?

[balmy storm]

Real!
I need more reasons to go see Yonta and vibe on the Zariman

[tropic venture]

well a silhouette is just a shape of something, so our "void silhouettes" would just be the fact that the tenno are technically pure Void beings in the shape of humans

[near rune]

unclear. there's really no indication either way, I think.

[balmy storm]

In theory, yes
Should they? No, they’re needed there more than anywhere else.

[near rune]

That's a possible explanation, sure, but a lot of extrapolation there.

[nova harness]

All they do is stand and stare

[near rune]

They do stuff when you're not looking, like fixing up lost parts of the ship etc

[balmy storm]

The holdfasts are just void manifestations, nothing should tie them to the Zariman

[tropic venture]

Crysalith is the only "hub" with just one Syndicate (aside from Sanctum Anatomica if you count that as separate from Necralisk)

[thick jolt]

As far as i can tell on a practical level no, specifically i say this because they are monitoring the zariman and keeping what's left of its systems running, so leaving would really have bad consequences

[nova harness]

I wonder if Wally is gonna go back to the Zariman

[balmy storm]

It would be more advantageous for them to leave since the angel’s song and all that, but we help with that anyway so it’s not a big deal

[thick jolt]

If they can actually leave the zariman and its void influence i have no idea

[balmy storm]

If we’re there, he’s there

[nova harness]

Can he track us?

[balmy storm]

They’re just void manifestations, we know those can leave the void just fine
See Rev Prime and literally all Incarnon forms

[balmy storm]

Idk about tracking exactly but he def knows where we are
He makes contact at the end of the war within
He just pops up on our ship randomly
And while we were confronting his manifestations he personally popped up in the labs too

[nova harness]

Bro just teleports

[balmy storm]

He isn’t physical at all afaik

[nova harness]

Why didn’t our head start smoking or whatever happened when Wally read Albrechts mind

[balmy storm]

He may be watching everything tbh, maybe like Parvos did
He knew to lead us to Lotus

[nova harness]

He read ours

[balmy storm]

Maybe he didn’t take as much from us so it wasn’t as noticable

[thick jolt]

I think we don't know enough about void manifestations to clearly say one way or another

The way i see it they could be locked to the place/memories they were made from
Like they are made from their memories as they died on the zariman, I could see it if there was such a condition to their creation

Like being tied to a focal point

[balmy storm]

Just our likeness and childhood name
Or he knows to hide that now

[nova harness]

Has Loid added a banned word to stop scams finally

[balmy storm]

It could def be a case by case kinda thing with manifestations, rev prime wouldn’t really have any ties other than the planes maybe? And he did potentially appear there but again, case by case
The incarnons are an entirely different story but also for gameplay reasons they go anywhere anyway

[thick jolt]

Yeah it's kinda how I see it

[balmy storm]

I can def see that, though I’d wonder what exactly causes a manifestation to be tied to it’s location

[thick jolt]

That's a lot of compromised accounts trying and failing huh?

[balmy storm]

Yeah lol

[nova harness]

If our final battle with Wally isn’t on the Zariman where it all started I’m gonna sue DE

[balmy storm]

I hope we kick our abusers butt.

[thick jolt]

And there's also the whole heart of deimos to consider like maybe all these manifestations are able to exist in real space because of places/devices that leak the void into reality

[balmy storm]

Also I recently realized that since we seem to be physically immortal the Tenno didn’t really have to go around killing the adults, I mean it would’ve been annoying to deal with them constantly trying to kill us but if we can’t die there was no reason for us to kill them
Granted the tenno wouldn’t have known that, there’s no way they could’ve known that

[thick jolt]

Also circulus on lua

[nova harness]

If we defeat Wally do we lose powers?

[balmy storm]

Eeh, maybe
Tbh we might be enough for some things to exist, like rev prime or the incarnons

It may depend on how real something is once conceptually embodied, whatever that means

[thick jolt]

Really would love to know if lua was colonized before void tech

Would give a lot of context to if the whole circulus thing is independent of the heart

[nova harness]

I’d assume so

[balmy storm]

It depends, do we draw from the void or from him?
Because defeating him is not defeating the void

I’m still concerned why Wally wants an army of ghosts when he can make an army of himself already

[nova harness]

I’ve never heard our powers be called Man in the Wall Blast Man in the Wall beam or anything like that

[balmy storm]

sorry not wants, HAS an army of ghosts.

[thick jolt]

Ooooh maybe now that we have drifter we could have a backdoor to void powers without going through wally

[balmy storm]

Maybe!
I do think it’s interesting how he never transforms into Drifter

[nova harness]

Is Operator stronger than Drifter with Void powers does Drifter still need to learn lore wise?

[balmy storm]

The Drifter never learned the focus schools
So

Offscreen Operator training Drifter montage

[thick jolt]

I would love that

[balmy storm]

I know it won’t happen again but I’d love more interactions between Drifter and Operator

[nova harness]

Too bad we never got it due to the Void slowly banning them from being in the same room together

[balmy storm]

As much as I love the button to swap since they do technically occupy the same space(?) it’d be cool to just have one or the other just hanging out in our Orbiter or Dormizone and we can just vibe with ourself

[thick jolt]

At least in drifter's camp since we already have npcs coded into that

[balmy storm]

Another possibility is upon Drifter and Operator becoming one or whatever happened they shared memories with one another

[nova harness]

Is there any human in Warframe with powers or is it just us?

[balmy storm]

Exactly, have Drifter at the campfire!

[thick jolt]

Parvos?

[balmy storm]

All Warframes

[nova harness]

Who gave Parvos admin commands?

[balmy storm]

Wally or himself

[thick jolt]

Possibly wally maybe he greeded himself into admin

[balmy storm]

Would not be surprised if Parvos did what he did with voidtongue and not a deal

Really hope if Parvos becomes more relevant they don’t forget about the Worm Queen
Maybe have her fighting against Narmer or fighting to take over it, meanwhile Parvos is mucking about with the void

[nova harness]

Who was that infested that looked like a human that was able to heal people?

[balmy storm]

From the emissary?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[thick jolt]

Wally's line of "you gotta really want it" suddenly has a different interpretation to me

[balmy storm]

Forgot but I remember that

Weird cult, tried to infest the system, didn’t go anywhere 0/10

[thick jolt]

"Heal" aka infest people without them knowing

[balmy storm]

The infestation does a little tom foolery

[thick jolt]

Yup

[nova harness]

Who approved the Infested and were they blue?

[thick jolt]

Lol

[balmy storm]

Seriously though why does Wally need an army of angels if he has an army of himself
Why does it feel like he’s gonna pull our dead parents on us-

[balmy storm]

Some guy named Lephantis idk

[thick jolt]

Autonomous parts working towards wally's objective

Like the finger is severed but still tries to go back

[nova harness]

Why don’t the Orokin like the Void nerds after all they did for them?

[valid jolt]

He’s trying to traumatize us in every way possible

[balmy storm]

Good point

[balmy storm]

I’m still in awe after figuring out the tenno probably didn’t even have to kill the adults-
Like yes they would’ve hurt us, but we’re not even sure if we can die-
We became monsters for nothing

Which is oddly fitting for something caused by the void, all for naught and all that

[nova harness]

How come Albrecht can hurt a Wall man but we can’t?

[thick jolt]

Can he ?

[nova harness]

Yes he took a finger

[balmy storm]

He didn’t do it intentionally and did it in a way we cannot do, closing the door.

[nova harness]

So all we have to do is shut a door on him to kill him?

[valid jolt]

No no we can just recreate those circumstances and cut off all of his fingers this time

[valid jolt]

Exactly

[balmy storm]

It hurt him but he’s still connected to it, hence our entire trauma

[nova harness]

Does this mean doors are more powerful than Walls?

[balmy storm]

The more of him on this side of the wall the worse (probably)

[valid jolt]

But maybe it won’t work on him this time because Wally was basically a baby when he first met Albrecht, and so he’s smarter than before

[balmy storm]

Tbh maybe the only way to defeat Wally is to close off the void, all of it, for good
That’s something that hasn’t really been explored

Though maybe that’s impossible by this point

[viscid quarry]

I’m calling crap on no eidetic memory

[nova harness]

Bro had just lost his spawn protection?

[balmy storm]

Also he’s still connected to his severed parts-

[near rune]

No seriously my memory is usually terrible. I locked myself out of my house last week.

[valid jolt]

Lol Gray

[valid jolt]

Yea that’s true

[balmy storm]

Wally’s just got the worst case of being lonely, it’s so bad he tried to steal someone identity to be part of something

[viscid quarry]

Wait what happened

[balmy storm]

Like 5 messages immediately were banished to the veil

[nova harness]

hyperthymesia

Bro just has really really good memory

[viscid quarry]

….. I should do some vicious mockery about you somehow locking yourself out of your own house but I’ll just assume warframe knowledge has replaced your brain matter

[balmy storm]

Can conceptual embodiment occur during void storms?

[viscid quarry]

He literally just said he locked himself out of his own house last week

[viscid quarry]

Thank the lord

[nova harness]

Didn’t say he remembers everything

[near rune]

It's all Warframe lore and Magic: the Gathering rules up in there. What's my email password? Who knows

[viscid quarry]

He didn’t say that

[nova harness]

Gray has Warframe lore hyperthymesia

[viscid quarry]

M:tg?

What is that

Oh magic the gathering

[balmy storm]

Gray as a cephalon is just his website-

[valid jolt]

Just write your passwords and stuff in a note pad. Thats what I do and it never fails

[near rune]

why doesn't Discord use Oxford commas….

[viscid quarry]

Idk

[nova harness]

Gray should definitely be the next Cephalon Cordylon

[balmy storm]

Because it’s discord

[near rune]

No I do hahahahaha. It's the only way it can work for me

[viscid quarry]

I have a feeling he keeps forgetting

[near rune]

definitely not Order

[viscid quarry]

Oh nvm he did remember that

[valid jolt]

Lol

[nova harness]

I don’t write my passwords on a notepad my brain is the notepad

[viscid quarry]

fights against referencing it

[valid jolt]

That’s way too risky

[balmy storm]

Absolutely not Order

[viscid quarry]

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science

[near rune]

My brain is more palimpsest than notepad

[nova harness]

I have hyperthymesia

[valid jolt]

What if you fell from like a high place and forgot all your passwords?

[viscid quarry]

Gods gift regarding alexythymia

[nova harness]

I’d die if I fell from a high place I already had one bleed on my brain when I was 2 weeks old

[viscid quarry]

Ok then: what magic the gathering tidbit would most likely resemble eternalism

[balmy storm]

brain warframe when

[valid jolt]

O h

[viscid quarry]

A miracle you lived then

[balmy storm]

Not eternalism 😭

[valid jolt]

Yugioh is better

[viscid quarry]

If gray can’t then either magic the gathering rules are flawed or idk

[balmy storm]

I hope they further explain conceptual embodiment so people meme that instead

[nova harness]

You cannot kill the Devil, Tenno

[viscid quarry]

Yes but that’s one of two things gray knows

Incidentally what tidbit in Yugioh best resembles eternalism

[viscid quarry]

But you can send them back to hell

[balmy storm]

Do you think Ballas knows he can’t kill us because he’s tried
He was jealous of us after all

[balmy storm]

I’m going to scream

[valid jolt]

That would be the different dimensions of Fusion, Synchro, and Xyz

[viscid quarry]

what the hell, what the hell and what the hell?

[nova harness]

He was mad we had god mode without Continuity

[near rune]

I don't keep up with the lore much these days, but way back in Scars of Mirrodin block, the Phyrexians were taking over Mirrodin. The third set had the conclusion to the invasion, and WotC were playing coy about who won. They previewed two sets: "Mirrodin Pure" (where Mirrans won) and "New Phyrexia" (where Phyrexians won), and players didn't know who won until the set released.

[balmy storm]

I loved Kalos, Zygarde is my favorite

[balmy storm]

Stay mad, balls 😎

[valid jolt]

…

[balmy storm]

[viscid quarry]

I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about or who those folks are but o k

[valid jolt]

I said Yugioh not Pokemon…

[balmy storm]

I know
I was making a joke cause you said xyz

[valid jolt]

Oh ok nvm then. Yea Zygarde is cool and so is Ash Greninja

[balmy storm]

through eternalism they all won

[valid jolt]

Oh and Arceus

[balmy storm]

Based

[viscid quarry]

Actually gimme a sec gray has caused curiosity to form in me

I must see what was the result of that

[valid jolt]

There’s Resheram too

[balmy storm]

I love Reshiram, fluffy dragon

[valid jolt]

Resheram looks cool and has a cool name

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[valid jolt]

OH and finally Kyurem

Think that was their name

He looked even more cool

[balmy storm]

Yup that’s them

Cool ice dragon, love the spikes

Plus the whole fusion mechanic
anyway, Warframe

[valid jolt]

Lol

[viscid quarry]

The mods are gonna strike this down at this rate

[valid jolt]

Imagine if Wally absorbed Dominus

[valid jolt]

Very true

[nova harness]

Nah

Mods don’t see this chat often

For some reason many Warframe players don’t like the lore

Lore best part of Warframe

[balmy storm]

I’ve been trying to get my friends to like it

One is into it
The other not as much
):

[nova harness]

That friend I’ll throw into the Void

[balmy storm]

😢

[nova harness]

Lore is best part of Warframe

You can’t change my mind

[balmy storm]

No I agree

I love the lore

I go back to the Zariman for Yonta and because of all the lore related to it

[nova harness]

I go to Tagfer to give my regular hugs

[balmy storm]

I love finally being able to see this place that’s so vital to our Tenno’s being, our home, our prison, our bastion

Gotta give Tagfer and Bird 3 all the hugs

Wish I could give loid hugs too

[nova harness]

I go to Albrechts lore because great voice

Lohk is my favourite one

[balmy storm]

Ooo that’s a good question, which Requiem Note is your favorite
Def gotta go hear em all again now

I mean “we end as we began” is def the best line overall

[nova harness]

"Lohk. (Void).
From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name.
Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame.
Corporeal laws are unwrit, as suns and love retreat.
To cosmic madness, laws submit, though stalwart minds entreat.
In luminous space, blackened stars, they gaze, accuse, deny.
Roiling, moaning this realm of ours in madness, lost shall die.
Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans.
To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began."

[valid jolt]

That used to be me…until I saw Luscinia lol

[nova harness]

Deadpan favourite Warframe character Luscinia confirmed?

[valid jolt]

I like Jahu the most because the build up to Albrecht realizing he wasn’t in his lab anymore cause amazing

[valid jolt]

Lol always has been

Literally the highest view count on one of my videos is about Luscinia

[nova harness]

Guess my favourite Warframe character a hint is she flew once

[valid jolt]

Don’t know why that is tho…

[valid jolt]

Uh

Idk

[nova harness]

How many characters have flew that are female in this game?

There’s probably only one

[valid jolt]

The only Warframe character ik that flies is Bird 3

[nova harness]

So you forgot there’s an entire faction that can fly?

[valid jolt]

What faction??

[nova harness]

Sentients

[valid jolt]

Oh

[nova harness]

There’s even a wall that sorta flew

[valid jolt]

Only 2 female sentients exist, so it had to be either Natah or Prahgasa

[nova harness]

The Lotus

Lol

[valid jolt]

Natah counts

[nova harness]

Yeah

[valid jolt]

Ok but thats just misleading smh

[nova harness]

It’s not

[valid jolt]

By flying, you would think wings or something related to that

[nova harness]

There’s literally 2 female characters that can fly

So it was super easy

[valid jolt]

Tbh it never really crosses my mind that Sentients could fly lol

I thought they hovered

[nova harness]

You didn’t see the Old War Cinematic?

Or when Lotus flew straight up in the New War

[valid jolt]

Wasn’t Lotus on a floating flower?

I thought that made her and the Tenno around her hover, and not that she could actually fly

[valid jolt]

I don’t remember

[nova harness]

Floating flower?

[thick jolt]

It's the same pod we see in the lotus' room on lua

Wonder how far she can move that under lua's surface

[nova harness]

No flower here

[valid jolt]

Ohh yea that part

I forgot about that

[nova harness]

This scene was where I giving you a hint from

[valid jolt]

Yea I get it now

[nova harness]

I doubt Erra can fly or the Plains Eidolons

But almost all Sentients we see can

[thick jolt]

Just remembered that folded erra animation they ended up not using

Now i want a folded erra articula to perch somwhere in my orbiter

[balmy storm]

Erra is dirt bound

[nova harness]

I wonder why Erra is the least Sentient Sentient

[balmy storm]

the WHAT

[balmy storm]

Make his design more human so we feel bad for him idk

Maybe he likes humans, man did make the archons and caliban

[thick jolt]

There was a gif shown probably during a tennocon recap of the new war art that showed a perched erra basically unfolding from his perch to stand on the ground

[balmy storm]

If you come across it please ping me, that sounds amazing

[thick jolt]

Animation ended up not being used in the actual quest

[nova harness]

I don’t see how Ballas getting legs made him a Sentient

[balmy storm]

He wasn’t

He was an amalgam

[nova harness]

Of what?

How does legs make you an Amalgum

[real niche]

Do you not remember the entire class of Amalgam enemies we have?

[nova harness]

Sentient Corpus?

[real niche]

He (Ballas) is an Orokin.

[balmy storm]

Sentient Human Amalgam

[real niche]

He was given Sentient whatever-the-hell and became an Amalgam.

[nova harness]

Do Orokin bleed blue or red it’s been a while since I stabbed Ballas

[thick jolt]

@balmy storm

Couldnt find the animation but found the art

Behold folded erra

[nova harness]

That looks scary

[balmy storm]

I love folded Erra

[thick jolt]

I think they did showcase an animation for that in a devstream after that tennocon but i am not so sure anymore

[nova harness]

Why do DE make better trailers and concepts than actual quests?

[astral jackal]

Well, let's see what they will do with 1999
I hope THERE we can get great quest

[balmy storm]

Whispers was pretty great

[nova harness]

Duviri Trailers were way better than the actual quest

[red holly]

YOU NEED TO SIGN A WAIVER TO DO THE NEW WAR?

[craggy solstice]

It's a very long quest.

They wanna make sure that you're prepared.

[red holly]

how many hours?

[craggy solstice]

It's a 3 to 4+ hour quest.

[red holly]

oh thats not that long

[craggy solstice]

it took me around 6 hours because I took my time.

[red holly]

can i send my loadout?

[red holly]

ill probably take my time too

[craggy solstice]

I don't remember if you use your loadout, but bring your best I suppose?

You'll be locked in with no way out until you're done.

[nova harness]

Oh it is for New War

[red holly]

i think i have a bad loadout

for my frame

do i send the rest?

[nova harness]

Your mods won’t matter that much