spoiler-chat

[digital hearth]

Ngl that's probably the least weird notification I've gotten for this server.

[viscid quarry]

I’m fairly certain her ancestor is Mrs normal or something

It is funny though

[nova harness]

Are you discord spaghetti code?

[viscid quarry]

No I’m a chill sith acolyte

[nova harness]

Are there any sith acolytes that aren’t chill?

[viscid quarry]

However if you assumed I was a incom corporation inertial dampener then you wouldn’t be far from the truth

[viscid quarry]

If there weren’t any I would just be a sith acolyte

[dusty anchor]

Can someone help me with farming voidrig so I can start the new war quest

[patent pollen]

Which quests were dangerous if you didn't have a good enough build? I heard somewhere that a certain quest was near impossible or just a huge pain if you didn't upgrade your Railjack or your Voidrig (can't remember which one)

[earnest kraken]

The new war and only part it really fell near impossible was at beginning railjack part. Still doable though I completed the quest with no upgrades.

Hope they never do a quest that long again though

[patent pollen]

ah, okay. So I shouldn't worry too much about upgrading Railjack and/or Voidrig when I'm about to do a quest. It'd be better if I did, but 'tis possible

[earnest kraken]

Yeah highly recommend upgrading railjack tho cuz sentients can be douches

[wicked mountain]

This all of my warframes I have. Except for the stuff I don’t have

And I deleted my weapons because my inventory was full

[supple dagger]

Here's a spoiler for ya I contacted Warframe and they said they might be doing infested liches but they said they might till then we got to wait

You never know they are releasing Warframe 1999 with all those new infested

[rain otter]

We already knew we where getting them. Also we are getting them with 1999 we don't know if they will be related content wise with 1999 at all though.

[supple dagger]

How often do you get hunted by the stalker dude he just showed up and killed me

[woeful jacinth]

You have like a 2% chance of him spawning in a mission if you kill a boss

[balmy storm]

They said they were coming with 1999?

[viscid quarry]

Aka a 2% chance to get more loot

[nova harness]

Free credits 90% of the time

[viscid quarry]

With 9.999999% being dread bp

[rain otter]

That's what I was told? I could be wrong.

[near rune]

I don't think Infested Liches are confirmed to be coming in 1999. Pablo said last year that they would come this year, but who knows if that'll happen for sure.

[rain otter]

I thought they talked about it last dev stream? I might have been lied to.

[near rune]

Tbh I'm not entirely sure. I'm not specifically hyped for Infested Liches so I don't pay attention

[rain otter]

ShRug I just want more Infested Lore and like Infested RJ.

And that is what Infested Liches should come with. I don't love Infested Liches I do like what should come with it.

[near rune]

I think they could really go into interesting places with Infested lore, but they haven't so far. Arlo is the most interesting case.

But the Infested has assimilated people from way back in Orokin times. What if their consciousnesses are still in there, like the Gravemind? (is that how the Flood works? idk) What if we could communicate with them?

[rain otter]

I've said this many times but deadlock protocol for Infested give them a leader.

[near rune]

What if the Infested started having real goals and plans?

[near rune]

Sure. We've heard tell of hiveminds but never any exploration of that concept other than some small lines with Heart of Deimos

[rain otter]

That's what the deadlock protocol Infested update would give lmao.

[near rune]

The Theta Mutation

or something

[dusty kindle]

If they are doing Infested Adversaries, then wouldn't Infested Railjack missions come with it?

The final mission of fighting an Adversary is a Railjack mission after all

[rain otter]

Probably before but yeah.

[arctic sorrel]

It'd be amazing if the lens flare was centered on the eyes and it showed during transmissions

[hard quartz]

So imma about to finish New War, I was thinking if Lotus is who she is. My pov is that Margulis was what they wanted her to be. Natah is who she was. Lotus is who she ultimately decided to choose to be.

[arctic sorrel]

Lotus is also who she was when the Orokin brainwashed her

She's shown in that Old War cutscene as the Lotus (the one where Erra gets void beam'd)

All three forms can be interpreted in different ways
Some could even argue that Margulis is similar to who she wanted to be

[arctic sorrel]

"Change of plans, ignore your original objective...

LEAVE NOTHING ALIVE" -

the glowing eyes fit Natah so well, especially during that whenever it happens

[amber terrace]

Is there a track that goes harder than ‘See It In The Flesh’(1999 combat theme) from Albrecht’s Labs somachord tones?

[sonic cedar]

Catching up on quests, knew the train was coming, still got spooked by the suddenly train

[viscid quarry]

Well the gravemind isn’t the exact flood hivemind it’s just a form of physical manifestation of that via a crap ton of biomass (the real deal ish would be a keymind which is essentially a void damned brother moon from deadspace but that hasn’t happened since the forerunner flood war) , but if we take it for how the flood works then well their consciousnesses no longer exist but their memories and abilities are consumed into the flood hence events like a spartan being infested and initial containment protocols failing (CORRUPTER) calls for basically all but destroying that planet with shiva nukes and mac strikes the norm to ensure it doesn’t live

Would make the entrati all the more unique and especially the grey strain

[viscid quarry]

Shattered mockery boss theme or say Dante login music used during the distruption mission soundtrack or hell even octopede in general

[amber terrace]

Now the real question is as follows, given that ‘See It In The Flesh’ goes harder than diamonds, is there a track in the entire game that goes harder?

The contenders I can think of off the top of my head are ‘We All Lift Together’, ‘For Narmer’, ‘Sleeping In The Cold Below’, ‘Smiles From Juran’, ‘This Is What You Are’, and ‘The Duviri Paradox’

[prime lantern]

SISTERS BELOW BELOW

[nova harness]

We're going where the winds don't blow

[viscid quarry]

Yes we’re all bound down to the deep and we’ll all be

[rugged ridge]

I'm headcanoning that the warrior's rest augment for Umbra is a technique my Operator/Drifter and Ordis came up with to let him leave his own body and transference into the cephalon weave so he can rest from the pain whenever he wants, and he doesn't have to be there if his body needs repairs

Also plugged him into datascapes so he can relive other memories he remembers or new ones he makes
But most of all it lets him escape entirely from the pain of being a warframe
I think it hurts a real lot even afterwards

IDK just trying to keep my imagination flowing and take care of an important frame friend

[rain otter]

We could also be like "the Dax Doctrine of the Warriors Calm" (that teshin talks about) could be what we are making Umbra do.

Cuz Umbra is a Dax.

[rugged ridge]

Ooh yeah maybe! I just like the idea of giving him some real peace and quiet and respite but that is super cool and might be more accurate

[amber terrace]

Lmk if my math is off here.
I want to grind out an r5 Melee Duplicate, but its only drop sources are Netracells and Deep Archimedea. If I do an Elite Deep Archimedea run with full challenges with my Hildryn Prime, Burston Prime Incarnon, Onos, and Scindo Prime (assuming any of these options aren’t in the individual parameters) I can easily get past 20 points, meaning that I’ll get three drop chances of a melee arcane, meaning either Duplicate or Crescendo(?). Then there’s Netracells, where if I only get 3 runs after DA, that means that I get three shots at potentially getting a melee arcane among some other stuff that I don’t really care about. That rounds us out to up to six melee arcanes if I get exceptionally lucky. I only need 11 more instances of Melee Duplicate if I want to get it to R5. I don’t know how to math out the Warframe drop tables, so I’m not gonna go into statistics numbers. It should take me at least 2 weeks and up to hopefully only 6 weeks if I want to get Melee Duplicate. Does this check out?

TL;DR: me want grind out melee duplicate. Me get six chances a week to get it to drop. Should it hopefully take anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks to get 11 melee duplicates

[tight kraken]

3 arcanes guaranteed (Crescendo/Duplicate) for DAE run with all challenges and loadout.
Very low chances on Netracells but can happen.
I had 2 Duplicate and 1 Crescendo for each of my Elite DA so far (2 weeks)

Still found it very long and annoying to farm, just as shards. I don't like time gates. Positive thing is you'll get it way faster than with old netracells. If you ever get tired of farming it, some people selling r0 20p iirc. Price might drop even more with time

[amber terrace]

Fair, I looked up an R5 Melee Duplicate on Warframe dot market and my stomach jumped out my throat with how much people were charging for it

And I really don’t want to flood trade chat with my odd request of wanting 11x R0 [Melee Duplicate] because that just seems like a waste of time and platinum

[tight kraken]

Yeah buying r5 directly aren't worth it at all. Just as energize, people are overpricing it as much as they can, excuse being "maxed is faster so much more expensive" = me having time : buying r0

[worn terrace]

infested liches

Oh, oh no

[amber terrace]

I don’t think Melica thought we’d be walking Entrati halls fighting infested on the surface of Deimos and fighting eldritch horrors beyond human comprehension in Albrecht’s Labs

[thick jolt]

Now that you mention it that was quite the foreshadowing

[dusty kindle]

Yeah

[thin sinew]

Finished TNW very good story and mission but DE please no more of that infiltrating the veil stuff

[rain otter]

now you gotta get to whispers in the walls. or just the zariman go do that it's fun.

[gray elbow]

question: is kira (which is also the woman that was talking to us in the arg), also the wife of the male voice in the log (referred as the husband)?

i am sorry i am bringing the arg back but i am digging into.. things..

the picture is from wiki, but i am not sure how to interpret it

[graceful zodiac]

Maybe, but unknown

[gray elbow]

this clearly says it but i don't know if i can say for sure that she was indeed his wife

[graceful zodiac]

That's the usual wiki meeting assumptions

There's no direct correlation with Kira and the ARG guy

[gray elbow]

yea

[gray elbow]

it only gets as close as it can be when kira said in one of the audios that she didn't know to expect otherwise for "digging up shallow graves"

but it may be a stretch

[near rune]

I personally don't think Kira is "Angel" from the tapes because Quinn says she came up with the name Void Angels. Why would she name them after her nickname?

[balmy storm]

Was Kira the first Void Angel?

[nova harness]

Most likely just the first we encounter

[balmy storm]

I meant Angel
Forgot Kira was the most recent to change

[nova harness]

You can actually see an Angel in TNW

[balmy storm]

Ye, I wish they kept some of the early designs for void corruption they had

Especially the giant hand, Wally and his creations seemingly misinterpreting size in space seems kinda fitting

or them just outright growing too big

[torpid lantern]

I believe that WAS her husband because when we were all working on the ARG, Kira lost her control on her emotions after we helped unlock the audio files of that man for her. She was audibly traumatized after hearing it and became an angel.

[balmy storm]

Isn’t it the song that causes the transformation?
Unless you mean her being traumatized cause her to give into the finger

[obtuse gyro]

Mental Resiliance might play a part in resisting the song

[torpid lantern]

The holdfast also needed the Tenno's help to regain their memories so her naming them "Angels" is very likely a subconscious element since her memories were also missing

[balmy storm]

Makes sense, control over your emotions in relation to a void-based effect

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think the Holdfasts needed the Tenno for memories, stability yes, memories no

[balmy storm]

That’s if she was the first

[torpid lantern]

Yes it is. I think Quinn mentioned that during the Angel quest but I can't remember the exact quote

[balmy storm]

Didn’t Kira turn at the start of the quest?
By that point it was just her and the holdfasts we still have

[torpid lantern]

Yea... the ARG was the prequel

[obtuse gyro]

mentioned where?

[torpid lantern]

During the Angel of Zariman quest

[obtuse gyro]

okay but where in that quest

[torpid lantern]

I said I don't remember xD

[balmy storm]

So Kira wasn’t the first

[obtuse gyro]

because like I've run through the whole transcript and i see nothing of the sort that suggests that the Holdfasts needed the tenno to regain their memories

[torpid lantern]

No. Just the first encountered in the quest

[obtuse gyro]

Quinn: "We changed. Oh, we drew power, but from a very different source. You have noticed it's not just the Reliquary that can work miracles with the Void, yes? I wonder… do you even know just how brightly you shine?"
This is what Quinn says in reference to having drawn from us

nothing to do with memories

[torpid lantern]

That's the whole point of leveling the holdfast. With each level, they seem to remember more of who they are and what happened

[balmy storm]

Does it say what causes that really?
Other than leveling up and just progressing

[obtuse gyro]

but thats an inference from a quote that doesnt seem to exist.

The Holdfasts arent actually shown suddenly remembering, they just being discussing their past

[balmy storm]

I hope we get to find out how bright we shine 😭

[obtuse gyro]

Actually

Got it, the Holdfasts arent drawing their memories from the Tenno, theyre drawing it out of Angel Juice

We couldn't remember much of what happened, but the time of the... accident is clouded for us, like cryo-fog. It is as if the Void had to erase in order to create. There's material the angels secrete that functions like Aya. Yonta believes our lost memories are in there."

This is basically all the Void feathers we pick up and use for ranking up

[balmy storm]

I wish I caught that before

[torpid lantern]

This, yes. The Tenno just help them regain it by ridding them of the void-esque stuff

[balmy storm]

The void made it’s own Aya

or sorta Aya
Maybe it’s more universal

[obtuse gyro]

So its not really the "tenno's help" in that they're drawing from the tenno, but rather just somebody's help to get voidplumes

[balmy storm]

Wait why does Yonta trade us them back then?
Seems like she needs those lol

[balmy storm]

And that somebody is us and only us

[torpid lantern]

Lol yes, I never said they were drawing from the Tenno. I said the Tenno were helping them regain them. I didn't think to specify the feathers lol

[obtuse gyro]

well really, anyone can fill that role, we just happen to do it

[obtuse gyro]

ah well.

fyi the quote isnt in the quest its when you open the rank up menu

[torpid lantern]

Thank you. It's been too long aaaaa

I didn't enjoy the quest much so I blocked it from my thoughts

Kira and the ARG kinda ruined the whole experience for me.

[nova harness]

Looks like you need some help to regain your memories are you a member of the Holdfasts?

[balmy storm]

Realistically who else would do it?
The Corpus maybe would for a profit
The Grineer would never
The Zariman is our home, who else is there but us?

[obtuse gyro]

realistically no one else, but its something anyone could do

[torpid lantern]

It felt a bit forced though. I mean, Zariman as a home was a HUGE stretch. If I had been on that ship, the sheer horrors and PTSD would make me throw up just from knowing it still existed.

I'll never quite understand how the Holdfast just expected the Tenno to help

Especially when several of them were directly to blame for the hell that happened on the ship

They lost their parents because Hombask sabatoged the ship.
Quinn glassed dissenters including, I'm sure, many families. Yonta didn't care about anyone and Cavelero carried out every order he was given no matter who he hurt

They're not great people, honestly. Just necessary

[obtuse gyro]

They lost their parents because Hombask sabatoged the ship.
Hombask sabotaged the biomes, she had nothing to do with the ship actually failing the jump

directly to blame for the hell that happened on the ship
None of them actually were directly responsible for the incidents during the accident, they were however complicit in events before the jump

[torpid lantern]

Semantics, really. Destroying the biomes directly destroyed the ship's ability to sustain life. Everyone starved because of her

[obtuse gyro]

Semantics, really.
Its not, the greatest danger on the ship was caused by something that none of the holdfasts knew about and could control

additionally as demonstrated by certain scenes from Duviri and TNW, there was still some measure of food stores onboard

[torpid lantern]

The ARG reveals this not to be the case. While the angels and insanity were definite problems, the starvation was driving people to eat each other.

Even without mitw, they would eventually have killed each other

The husband paints a horrifying picture of the starved and dead in his last log.

[torpid lantern]

Undoubtedly that was in the beginning. The Elder queen mentioned in TWW that the food stores were running low and paranoia started to grip the mind of the adults, which was likely after duviri but before the ARG prequel

[obtuse gyro]

I uh, dont see this in the transcripts from the ARG?

all the husband says is "choking down these rancid scraps" but we know that he's mentally gone already

[torpid lantern]

It's in his voice log

[obtuse gyro]

Im looking at the transcript of his voice log, there is only one that is after the incident

[torpid lantern]

Its 3am, I'm too tired to find it

[obtuse gyro]

The events of Duviri and TNW take place after those logs tho, there was still some measure of foodie goodies, albiet low

[balmy storm]

The Tenno don’t really need to eat, correct?
We’re only seen doing it what, once?

[torpid lantern]

Again, Elder queen mentioned the stores depleting. Hombask mentioned something I think at some point when explaining what she did

[obtuse gyro]

Like the actual bit that happens after TNW was kira finding the logs, but the logs themselves must have been recorded during the incident

[balmy storm]

Also we know there’s food because we can literally buy food?

[obtuse gyro]

she destroyed the biomes, and is surprised that after so long, the biomes self repaired thanks to the drones

[torpid lantern]

They do need to eat. They're human. They bleed, sleep, eat, and need oxygen. They feel hunger and pain. They age. Idk where the misconception came from that Tenno aren't people.

[obtuse gyro]

and self-repaired in the environmental sense, Hombask didnt do anything to destroy the biome infrastructure

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying they aren’t people?
I’m saying they don’t need to eat, we seem to be immortal aside from aging, we rarely are ever seen eating or bleeding or sleeping, I know we can die but we aren’t easily killed
So idk how much of an effect starving would do

[torpid lantern]

Idk what to tell you. Elder queen isn't lying. The husband surviving off of scraps isn't lying. Destroying the biomes being a major disaster wasn't lying.
If you want to believe they chose to starve willing, then idk what to tell you.

[obtuse gyro]

If you want to believe they chose to starve willing, then idk what to tell you.
I never said they werent starving, I'm saying that the people on the zariman were increasingly more hardpressed by Wally and as demonstrated by the drones, stood a greater chances at survival without th adults going mad, not because of the lack of hostile folks roaming the ship but because the drones might have successfully restored the food supply in time

[torpid lantern]

Sadly, It's because it's a game. Most games don't show all those details. But we've seen them sleep and eat and express hunger and pain. We only have roughly... four quests with their physical forms directly involved? Two of which were in dreams?

Not a lot of room for those details

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, it would be false to claim that the tenno lost their parents because Hombask destroyed the biomes when we know that how their parents died was largely unrelated to the food situation

I'm not even trying to argue that the holdfasts are good people, but at least attribute the actual disaster to the right entities

[balmy storm]

We’re still immortal with the only known way to kill us being aging, meaning our bodies do degrade eventually
I don’t believe it’s said anywhere but I could see us having our void powers being what keeps us going without necessarily needing food or water

I mean we got stabbed and were fine, granted we fell into a portal which probably helped, but we still come back when we “die”

[torpid lantern]

There wouldnt have been any point to the Drifter making food in Tnw or keeping rations in the camp on earth.
I suppose you can argue that nothing can kill them, but we don't exactly know how that works yet.
Regardless, it's clear they'd be EXTREMELY uncomfortable without food and stuck in a state of starvation

[balmy storm]

The Drifter is a normal human who doesn’t have voidy powers for a majority of TNW, it makes sense they’d need to eat
The Operator, while they do eat, may be more a case of they can do it but don’t really need to, sustained by void energy

Heck the Drifter def needed to eat in Duviri, but we don’t see that because they’re also in a time loop
Eating isn’t their priority

[nova harness]

We do this stuff offscreen

[obtuse gyro]

DE needs to add eating minigame

And no grendel doesnt count

[balmy storm]

We need a mini fridge in our living quarters, we can’t sustain ourselves off of music and meditation!

[void bolt]

Farming minigame in dormizone

[torpid lantern]

But given we have far more direct evidence to the contrary, like the Operator agreeing to being hungry when asked, there's no reason to indicate they don't need food and rest

[balmy storm]

I think being sustained off of void energy isn’t too far fetched, they are still human so those needs would still exist in some way or may just be habit
We really just need more info on what we are-

And what we’re capable of, really wanna see that

[torpid lantern]

We have notes that the Tenno slept already. It was because the Tenno slept that Margulis realized they could control their powers while they were dreaming.

We're also told by Natah and other characters that the Tenno can die. Margulis risked her life to prevent the Tenno being killed.
Ballas is also a known liar.

Right now, the evidence is contradictory. I think it's difficult to prove the Tenno are truly immortal. It seems to be very situational.

[obtuse gyro]

Relevent lines

I think it's difficult to prove the Tenno are truly immortal.
Conventionally immortal

So far the tricks that have resulted in confirmed Tenno deaths are highly unconventional

[torpid lantern]

And likewise the Tenno surviving being stabbed after being tossed into the void is also unconventional

[obtuse gyro]

Margulis risked her life to prevent the Tenno being killed.
She did but even after she died the Orokin still failed to dispose of us

[torpid lantern]

We need a normal injury

[obtuse gyro]

Tenno surviving being stabbed after being tossed into the void is also unconventional
Getting stabbed is very conventional

[nova harness]

I’m surprised anyone thrown into the Void gets Void damage but we don’t

[torpid lantern]

Being tossed into the void while still alive is not

[obtuse gyro]

well we have from an external source suggest that Ballas wasnt lying so

"Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history."

[nova harness]

Ballas told the truth for once?

[torpid lantern]

But we also know Tenno did die, so that alone implies he's lying

[nova harness]

Rell died

[obtuse gyro]

only one confirmed death, and by extremely unconventional means

[torpid lantern]

Maybe he couldn't kill them personally? Or maybe he was being dramatic

[torpid lantern]

Gara, Mirage, Rell, Limbo????

There's dozens confirmed

[obtuse gyro]

1. thats not even a dozen
2. 3 out of 4 of those were warframe deaths, with no outright confirmation that the tenno who piloted them actually died

[torpid lantern]

Are you really insisting I go find them all? It's now 4am...

Unum and Natah would beg to differ

[obtuse gyro]

I dont need you to go find them lmao, but to say "there are dozens" isnt true. Because dozens implies a multiple of 12 and youd be hardpressed to find 24 frames who have any allusion to their operators dying

There is only one confirmed operator death and that was rell

[torpid lantern]

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De made it up i suppose

[nova harness]

That’s a Warframe still

[obtuse gyro]

doesnt imply dozens

[torpid lantern]

Are you serious

[obtuse gyro]

extremely, you gave a number, you definitely cant back it up

Im not even saying tenno cant die but you cannot prove that "dozens" of tenno have been confirmed dead

Additionally, this tidbit was written before DE even broached on the Second Dream's content, part of it is still tied to the illusion that the Tenno and their Warframe "armour" are "one" physically

[torpid lantern]

Allusion??? Natah knows better than anyone how the Tenno function. If she said a Tenno died, they died. She had access to them directly in their pods. She's the only character who couldn't be mislead by an "Allusion"

You're the one insisting that every death is a lie

[nova harness]

Hunhow says cut off their heads yet they rise again

[obtuse gyro]

youre the one insisting that there was a two digit number.

Even if we presume that Mirage and Gara's deaths lead to the tenno's death, I can easily provide the unconventional method of Tenno death

Gara is the easiest

Sentients are heavily implied to use a similar method to the Tenno in their frames to avoid death (which is then implied to be consciousness preservation)

Gara dropped a bomb that worked against that

ergo Gara directly took a blow working against that "death protection"

cascading right back into her tenno pilot

unconventional

[nova harness]

How will you explain Rell dying then if Tenno are immortal?

[torpid lantern]

Limbo, Sevagoth, Mesa, Mirage, Inaros, Gara, Rell, at least two of Ivara's companions.. etc etc.

[obtuse gyro]

you are conflating frame death with tenno death

Hunhow explicitly mentions that frame death does not directly lead into tenno death

[nova harness]

Cut off their heads yet they rise again

[torpid lantern]

How would hunhow know if the individual operators died or not. He's not exactly asking them.
Again, Natah says they died. She's the closest and most reliable source

[nova harness]

Hunhow was told

[proven grove]

By who?

[nova harness]

Ballas

[proven grove]

How did he know?

[nova harness]

He built the Warframes

He was with the Woman who looked after the children

[obtuse gyro]

Limbo's warframe tore himself apart, no mention of tenno status
Sevagoth's frame died in the line of duty, no mention of tenno status
I dont see where Mesa fits into this list
Mirage, similar to gara, possible overexertion and cascade into tenno
Inaros, frame death, no mention of tenno status
Gara, Cascade bomb, likely cascaded into Tenno
Rell, the only confirmed tenno death
Warframes killed by the myrmidion, frame deaths, no mention of tenno status
"etc etc" doesnt do much to separate frame death from tenno death

[proven grove]

He built most of the warframes. I don’t think he built revenant or a few others

[nova harness]

He didn’t build Revenant Prime

[obtuse gyro]

nor qorvex

[nova harness]

I’m saying he was the head of the Warframe project

Which makes him know this stuff

[proven grove]

Was there any mention of there not being Tenno in any of those scenarios?

[torpid lantern]

They couldn't mention Tenno status because Tenno weren't a lore point yet.
Only in VERY recent warframe stories are Tenno explicitly discussed. Like Voruna's operator.

Natah said they died. De has a loading screen saying "those that survived" proving that a notable number didn't.

At this point, this conversation is no longer worth my time. Sorry. I can't continue with this

[obtuse gyro]

All those frames should be armed with tenno, however there is 0 mention of their status upon frame death

[nova harness]

That’s referring to Warframes not Tenno

[torpid lantern]

It explicitly says "Tenno"

[nova harness]

Yes Tenno is used for both Warframe and Operator

But there was no Operator when that message was made

So it was referring to the Warframe

[torpid lantern]

This explicitly says "warframe armor" and clearly draws a distinction

[proven grove]

There was also no operator when all the scenarios mentioned earlier were made

[torpid lantern]

It was not. It is explicitly showing the Tenno independent of their armor

[obtuse gyro]

Okay, but not only hunhow but teshin also states that Tenno possess death avoidance. You may think its no longer worth your time but you must understand thanks to information provided by 2 other sources, we can tell that Warframe Deaths do not neccesarily result in Tenno death. It is most clear in Gara's case

The last of Gara's energy arced from body-to-body, machine-to-machine, piece-to-piece

This means that this energy would also run straight into the tenno since gara was hit

[obtuse gyro]

meaning that unless it was implied that whatever hit the frame is able to go back up through the transference stream and hit the tenno, frame death did not result in tenno death

[torpid lantern]

Most of these quests are too old for that.

[obtuse gyro]

Independent yes, but back then the idea was that the tenno were in the frame, hence many in-universe folks being unable to distinguish tenno from frame

[nova harness]

Operators can’t use guns or blades there’s a Warframe in the picture not the Tenno child it was meaning the Warframe

[proven grove]

What logic is that? How does that prove anything

[torpid lantern]

Read the actual quote. "Master of the Warframe armor".

It's not about the frames

[obtuse gyro]

We can see this most evidently in Drusus, who will not distinguish tenno from the frame, largely thanks to Dante, who was a tennoless frame

[proven grove]

Where does it say he’s tennoless?

[torpid lantern]

You realize this argument is contradicting your prior argument that the "quests aren't explicitly stating that the Tenno also died".

You can't argue both ways. Either this quote is about the Operators independent and outside of the Warframes OR the quest didn't explicitly state that the Operator died because people believed the "Tenno are in the frames".

[obtuse gyro]

You realize this argument is contradicting your prior argument that the "quests aren't explicitly stating that the Tenno also died".
They still dont explicitly say they died

Either this quote is about the Operators independent and outside of the Warframes OR the quest didn't explicitly state that the Operator died because people believed the "Tenno are in the frames".
You... dont get what I said.
That quote is from before the Second dream. Its been there on the warframe website for ages. It would follow the line of writing that the Tenno are physically inside the warframes, a misunderstanding adopted by anyone who doesnt know about the operator, touched on the fact that the warframe is referred to as "armour" here. The quote says "those who survived" to indicate that some might have passed, but it never distinguishes a frame death and the tenno death, and as such, as you have proven, leads someone to the idea that those are the same, something that two different characters, as well as your own playable experience, proves false

Its not even arguing both ways, its the same direction

[obtuse gyro]

Dante is heavily implied to be a Gen 1 frame who escaped during the Warframe Insurrection which we first learn of when ballas whines about the frames turning on the orokin before they added the tenno to the project

[proven grove]

Heavily implied is not an argument. There’s no actual evidence with that

[obtuse gyro]

what?

[proven grove]

Saying “it’s heavily implied” does actually prove your point

[obtuse gyro]

What kind of argument is that? Did you need an explicit statement that he's from the prior generation? Did you need "dante is a gen 1 frame"?

[obtuse gyro]

homie, the rest of the sentence is the evidence, but sure if you need harder evidence

[obtuse gyro]

"I remember when we learned of the warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante, who had yet to succumb, became fugitives. To shelter them meant death – or glassing.

[proven grove]

Thank you

[torpid lantern]

Again, you're disproving yourself. Several of the Warframe/Tenno death quests are BEFOFE second dream. Like Limbo and Mirage.
If youre arguing that they couldn't be mentioned because they were too old, then the same applies to the in-game quests. Hence why they didn't explicitly mention Operator death.

You can't argue both ways

It either is or it isnt

[obtuse gyro]

?

I don't see why I'm disproving myself?

The fact that they predate the second dream and thus follow the old intentional (retcon or otherwise) thinking that the tenno are the same as their frames does not preclude the fact that there is no explicit tenno death

Like theyre not mutually exclusive

And neither does it suggest that because there was no mention of the tenno for obvious reasons, that meant that the tenno died

except for gara, that one still makes sense

[torpid lantern]

There are multiple explicit Tenno death. And a lesser number that "survived the old war".

[obtuse gyro]

explicit
Not in the quests before The Second Dream

None of them state it clear and detailed with no room for doubt

[torpid lantern]

Ah! But per your argument, they couldn't explicitly state because that would be spoilers.

[obtuse gyro]

Even gara isnt clear, but thanks to the function of the cascade bomb is implied

[obtuse gyro]

and so? Thats only a justification to why it was never stated, it cannot be used to suggest or prove tenno death in those quests

its not a gotcha

[torpid lantern]

So since they couldn't explicitly call the operators by name, it is instead implied by the characters response. Natah for example.

But I forgot she doesn't count apparently

[obtuse gyro]

Where did I say that she doesnt count?

[nova harness]

Bau how does a bomb to a Warframe actually kill a Tenno if the Tenno isn’t there?

[torpid lantern]

gesters to this hour long conversation

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, that is for one quest, and also isnt explicitly stated to have killed the tenno

[torpid lantern]

Somatic feedback

The Operators feel the pain of the Warframe.

[obtuse gyro]

Cascade bomb, energy jumped from sentient body to body, we know fragments are not connected physically. Thus gara who got hit by the bomb must have had that energy shoot straight through the transference stream into the operator

[obtuse gyro]

Not even that, the Gara entry details just how the bomb worked

which by its design would have killed Gara's operator

but even then that is an inference

[torpid lantern]

Not even that. They feel the Warframe's pain. High enough pain leads to insanity (like valkyr) and ultimately death. Scientific studies prove repeatedly that pain can kill a person.

[obtuse gyro]

Not once did I say Lotus's words were not to be trusted. Additionally, the Lotus has never expressed that same kind of dialogue surrounding other frames

[obtuse gyro]

It is... that? Like taking a bomb via your proxy isnt enough to kill a tenno, you can thank mara for letting her nova take a rocket to her face. Gara's cascade bomb laid out just how one might be able to kill the tenno by blasting that energy through a stream that would have largely detonated their consciousness

Like this goes back to the very point, Tenno cannot be killed by conventional means

what they have been proven to be killed by are through methods impacting the consciousness

most clearly shown in Rell

who was abused thoroughly through the consciousness

Even the Queens would have killed us, only through replacing our consciousness with theirs

[nova harness]

Holding back a wall for generations would kill me too

[obtuse gyro]

Not me Im built different

[torpid lantern]

Lotus: "Tenno, that was the last of the imprints. Forge this Warframe in honor of these memories."```

She's dead. And this alone is proof enough that the warframe death = operator death. 
Natah states she lost mirage forever, clearly grieving over what happened. 

But you've repeatedly said "warframe death doesn't count".

Natah doesn't grieve over warframes. She grieves for her Tenno children

[nova harness]

It doesn’t always count like what you see in TSD trailer

But some places it does

[torpid lantern]

Do you mean the new war trailer?

[obtuse gyro]

warframe death = operator death.

"Oro is the binding force for an enemy who, like the Tenno, can survive death. To kill such an enemy is futile, unless you sever this bond; absorb the Oro to annihilate it and claim a true victory

Hunhow: "Sever their heads, yet they rise again. Someone has hidden the Tenno essence, their truth, from you."

And yet, it was an incredibly important plot point that warframe death =/= operator death

[nova harness]

No I mean the Second Dream trailer thing where Hunhow says you cut off their heads yet they rise again

[torpid lantern]

Oro is straight retconned. Don't let anyone catch you using that

[obtuse gyro]

thats not a trailer thats the opening cutscene of TSD

[obtuse gyro]

Oro is mentioned by albrecht entrati, which by his offhand remarks is implied to be a matter of consciousness

[torpid lantern]

It's being repurposed most likely, but that quote is no longer canon

[nova harness]

Albrecht even said stop talking about it

[obtuse gyro]

Which goes back into the heart of teshin's line which was to be a preparation for the sentients, the only other goobers who can avoid death by housing their consciousness elsewhere

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think its no longer canon because Albrecht's "ugh oro" remarks indicate the method of which oro, and Tenno "death avoidence through the frames" work

Which is via consciousness and not the soul like what some loretubers love to suggest

[nova harness]

I hate some Loretubers

[obtuse gyro]

unless youre one of those philosophers who group the mind and the soul together

[torpid lantern]

My argument is this: we have multiple people referring to the known Warframe's death as the Operator's death like Natah did.
We know they can die. So the question is, why do you believe the Tenno are immortal.

You've changed the initial argument "Tenno don't die except Rell" which I've quoted above, and turned into this exhausting red herring that had lasted for hours. I've clearly disproven your argument. Now you're going on about how every Warframe death doesn't cause Operator death. I know that. We ALL know that. That's not what this conversation was about.

[obtuse gyro]

It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.

Line for reference. Albrecht deems it not necessary to explore Oro ideas because the animals didnt have proper consciousness, a "full distinction of a singular persona" meaning that what Oro is related to is the consciousness or at the very least matters of the mind

[torpid lantern]

I'm exhausted. You've repeatedly moved the goal post. Now it's Oro? What was even the point of this discussion.

It's 5am. I'm done. Good night.

Don't ping me

[obtuse gyro]

You've changed the initial argument "Tenno don't die except Rell" which I've quoted above,
I havent, I said only one confirmed death, all other deaths are implied and not confirmed. I have not changed this argument. Mind you just because its not confirmed does not mean it does not happen. It is just not confirmed

I've clearly disproven your argument.
You really havent, even mirage is an implied tenno death by your standards of uniting the frame and tenno and Lotus's grief of the loss. This is again, implied, not explicit, and thus not confirmed. Even that ancient quote of the tenno which implies more deaths of the tenno comes from a time before the operator was in the game
Now you're going on about how every Warframe death doesn't cause Operator death. I know that. We ALL know that. That's not what this conversation was about.
You say this and yet you still threw out "And this alone is proof enough that warframe death = operator death. " Furthermore you used this notion to justify the tenno deaths of many other frames who have perished, with no mention of their operator status (one of which is sevagoth a post TSD warframe), which implies a belief that warframe deaths leads to operator death

Now it's Oro? What was even the point of this discussion.
Oro is relevant because it is tied into the concept of just how the tenno avoid death through their warframes. I dont think its fair to think this as moving any goalpost

You've repeatedly moved the goal post
I most certainly have not. I stated there was only one confirmed Tenno death. You have admitted that there are no explicit mentions of tenno deaths in pre-tsd quests, and we explored why in a meta sense this is so. The goal post has not been moved, there still is only one confirmed tenno death.

We know they can die. So the question is, why do you believe the Tenno are immortal.
The point of the discussion was surrounding tenno immortality, I stated since the beginning that you needed unconventional means to actually kill the tenno, so far I have not seen anything that disproves this

[thin sinew]

Might do Veil, i do need Archon mods

[prime lantern]

Until oro is actually confirmed repurposed in a way that conflicts with teshins line it's fair game

[gray elbow]

i am not gonna lie, i listened again to the last time we hear kira, given the theme of the arg and what i "now know" about the void.. it was pretty terrifying to listen to the audio

it is something i would never like to hear again (even if it's someone else), let alone witness/see with my eyes

disturbing, imo, is an understatement

[obtuse gyro]

well, I'd warn you that given that we're in the void arc you might have to prepare yourself to face this at perhaps one more time

[gray elbow]

i am aware

i am only saying that i think will consider it an unpleasent experience, more than a tragic one, if someone we know/care about will get that treatment

only time will tell

[obtuse gyro]

well, do you care about albrecht

I have a sneaking suspicion that Wally might just undo albrecht real quick

[gray elbow]

undo?

but to answer you: right now, no, but that is very likely subject to change depending on we learn and feel about entrati's motives

[obtuse gyro]

blah blah blah psychoanalytical shtick, wally must destroy albrecht in order to further the goal of "existing"

intersubjectivity is what its called

you need to destroy the other in fantasy in order to establish that you are not them, so that they can recognise you as a self and thus you exist

problem for wally is that fantasy and reality are the same for him as it stands

so he's just going to destroy albrecht lololol

thats likely where we come in, as the other that can recognise wally as a full differentiated self

[gray elbow]

on an unrelated note: i am pretty sure i am late to the party, but i think "khra" requiem will be totally taking up the spotlight behind the concept/mindsets of the upcoming evnets

[obtuse gyro]

ah the time one

what's khra's fancy words again?

[gray elbow]

"we end as we began"

[obtuse gyro]

perfect

[gray elbow]

like it recently came to me how much that symbol will be the center of literally everything

re-reading arg especially

[obtuse gyro]

ah right you were looking at the ARG stuff, did you participate in the ARG itself?

[gray elbow]

nope

i am not smart/knoweldgeable enough anyway

[obtuse gyro]

ah it was a crazy stage that one, the one that really drove in the we end as we began

the website might still be up

weendaswebegan dot com

[gray elbow]

but like having a lot of the arg revolve around that weendaswebegan website.. it felt something is going to happen that very much correlelates to not only like, past time of warframe timeline, lore wise, but even more so that it could have to do the older versions of the game itself.

i feel that the concepts and ideas we had in older game versions will have something to bear in mind with all of this

[obtuse gyro]

mind you the most important bit of that website was the mirror story

which back then I didnt realise it, but... thats more psychoanalytical sthick, mirror theory

[gray elbow]

it could be a foreshadow of something, but i am not sure "for what" precisely, yet

[obtuse gyro]

to me right now? Wally's motives and MO

everything I've seen out of wally speaks to one thing: Existence

This is a psyche trying to be born

[gray elbow]

does expanding your power/influence count towards that cause?

[obtuse gyro]

when you say "your" you mean wally right?

[gray elbow]

wally's yeah

[obtuse gyro]

then yes

this is captured in the latest wally news

from Dante's death

[gray elbow]

in a sense, it is logical to think like that.

but the story feels more like it will probably "mirror" something we will witness

[obtuse gyro]

It teaches because it longs to be known, and in being known it exists. And in existing, it survives.

[gray elbow]

not sure how soon though, because i don't think 1999 will be the "end" to "begin" again like

[obtuse gyro]

maybe, but the way I see it its going to read to bolstering wally's existence

[gray elbow]

unless they do plan a much stretched/emphasized plot-points and "maybe" fill certain info we are missing, i don't think 1999 is the end of it

[obtuse gyro]

definitely not, 1999 is at most the war within of this arc

we have a the sacrifice and the new war left

[gray elbow]

it's an unpopular (if not non-existant) opinion as far as i know, but i have a hunch they are lying that dark sector is only "merely an inspiration" for 1999's theme. i have a hunch it will have to do more than just inspiration

[light adder]

Can someone dm me the arg link? I’ve been trying to look for it

[gray elbow]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zariman_ARG

[graceful zodiac]

It's cope at best. DE have been clear as day Dark Sector is unconnected

[gray elbow]

albeit it doesn't fill all the context you would would to know, but it gives an insight of what we would expect to feel in the zarmian.. as much as it wasn't as much hype as it was expected (for me at least)

[graceful zodiac]

They literally legally can't

[gray elbow]

why not?

[graceful zodiac]

They don't own the right to the game

[gray elbow]

oh

ok well

nvm then

in any case.. it just stayed stuck to me.. "we end as we began"..

i just feel i am missing something that is potentially very obvious to learn.

i keep reading about the requiem mods, the entrati recordings in necraloid area.. but there's not much i can find to maybe connect a foreshadow or, again, a "mirror" of what might happen or has already happened

[sonic cedar]

and the song "The ending is just the begining repeating" gets pushed towards the top of my warframe playlist because of the same line: "We end as we began"

[gray elbow]

it could be just a mere "i am just doing what i already wanted for as long i existed: to expand my influence" for wally, but i think it's not hard to extend that mindset with other things we have.

and as much as i hate to admit it, but i think that's the most possible scenario we will see happening in the next few stories we will witness

[obtuse gyro]

To me We end as we began for wally is eerily simple

Wally began with albrecht, he will "end" in albrecht

his quest for existence ends in albrecht, however that works out

[gray elbow]

perhaps

i really was hoping the zariman was just more than just an area expansion when it came to its story..

another area: new bounties, new weapons, new characters (and enemies), new tileset.. ofc also a new story but it wasn't the emphasis of that update

i can only hope everything connects.

i like stories based on the concept of "going back full-circle", and the "we end as we began" just teases me to think this is a direction that can happen.

[prime lantern]

The builders of old tempered their mortar with blood, to appease the most ancient of land-spirits. We should have been so wise. Yet it is not too late to learn.

The sands fall. The circuit completes. I return to the place of the beginning.

Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;
The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.

[gray elbow]

where is this from?

[graceful zodiac]

I'm with Bau on this, "end as we began" is just a signifier that Albrecht, Wally, and the Tenno are the focal points of this arc and will how it resolves

[prime lantern]

Albrecht notes the aftermath

[gray elbow]

i didn't look at those yet, surprisingly

thanks for response

lastly..

the family and necraloid's awarness of the labs and it hiding that, is only a ticking time bomb

[graceful zodiac]

Oh, obviously. Either 1999 or later will get to that fallout

[void bolt]

Should I finish the whispers quest to unlock the new deimos nodes?

[rain otter]

You didn't finish it?

Also what else would you do?

[void bolt]

I have some nodes to finish

Still not unlocked arbi

[rain otter]

I mean the whispers quest you should just do anyway. Also Arby's and Steel path are both equally matter I guess.

[void bolt]

Bruh my weapons are doodoo need the galv mods

[nova harness]

Then you’ll have to finish Whispers

[void bolt]

And the star chart

Doing normal mission is boring

[gray elbow]

watched some stuff regarding new war..

if choosing the drifter instead of operator to finish the quest.. one of his lines is "Can't be harder than riding a horse can it?"..

man what a genius drop, i thought it was just a metaphor of how difficult it is to control a warframe, but it just foreshadows his time in duviri, riding kaithes.

[rain otter]

Calling back. Cuz that would have already happened.

[gray elbow]

i would never think we would actually have kaithes as typical vehicles with duviri

completely forgot this line by the time duviri was out

[rain otter]

yee

[amber terrace]

1,600 days logged, many more to come!

[gray elbow]

i am on 900ish, but that's cool!

[viscid quarry]

I’m at like what 345

[drowsy comet]

im barely at 160

😭

[dusty anchor]

If anyone has gauss prime blueprint they don’t need dm me

[river agate]

Commas are important, and I am dumb

Read that as "they don't need (to) dm me" and thought it was fun

[pearl karma]

Hey there, can someone please do me a favor and screen cap me this week's EDA modifier, thanks!

[hybrid mulch]

can someone help me in deep archimedean

im dieing way too hard

[nova harness]

#squad-recruitment

[covert tree]

Lore monkeys is this like the void or something?

[obtuse gyro]

pretty much

[covert tree]

Well it's interesting because of how it's designed is there anything on the topic of what this is

[obtuse gyro]

nothing in the texts that specify

[covert tree]

Oof I think it's a very specific part of the void if its even in the void most likely where Mr wall resides

[obtuse gyro]

perchance, but theres not much textual information regarding that. The closest justification for that idea would be yknow, the big faces all over

[covert tree]

Yeah and also the fact the specific one from new war is holding the breach open is interesting

[rain otter]

All of the desert stuff like this in Whispers is the Void but specifically the Mitw Domain. Like how Duviri is Thrax's domain.

[covert tree]

Oh so their are different rulers of different parts of the void sick

[rain otter]

Seemingly. Parvos even has his own pocket void thing.

[covert tree]

Yup the wally domain seems the biggest most likely because its technically the original void

[rain otter]

What?

[rain otter]

That doesn't make sense at all. Like we see the "void" it's just white void lmao.

When something acts upon it it changes.

[covert tree]

Ah fiddle sticks

I mess up the lore sometimes

[rain otter]

We all do lmao. I get stuff wrong all the time.

[covert tree]

It's complex like I sorta think most warframes might be naked except for the ones obviously wearing clothes but there more robot/animal naked I might be wrong and most likely am

[nova harness]

Stitching on yourself I see

[rain otter]

I'm too neurodivergent to be able to lie.

[rain otter]

I mean if we took of the top layer of armor they would just be like pulsating Infested mass like we see in umbra's face.

[covert tree]

They'd be all infested muscle yes so there skin is metal and sane frames wear clothes

[viscid quarry]

Your never that neurodivergent

Hell I lie at times and I’m fairly certain my brain is more eldritch to neurotypicals then the usual

[rain otter]

We gotta have a ND off/s

But truthfully I can't rewol6 lie ever Idk why I think it's the autism. Like It's why I Hage April fools or jokes that are just "I lied" lmao.

[nova harness]

April fools isn’t even April fools anymore because they aren’t fooling anyone with an iq past 3

[covert tree]

I can lie but it takes all my energy also how many neurodivergemt people are here

[rain otter]

Yes.

[nova harness]

Everyone in lore discussion 100%

[covert tree]

Nice

[viscid quarry]

Apologize to anyone with an iq below 3

They aren’t that dumb

Even they can understand

[nova harness]

If you believe a joke that’s been said 30000 times while being active on the internet then that’s not my place to apologise it’s there’s

[viscid quarry]

I mean the rest of the lot who don’t fall to it

Hell compare the lot who believe the joke to a sponge which has zero nerve cells despite being an animal

[viscid quarry]

Now how would we do that

[rain otter]

I didn't think this far ahead I'll be honest.

[nova harness]

Make a group chat and start chatting

[rain otter]

Nah.

I'm good. One on one social interaction isn't in the cards.

[viscid quarry]

We all log on a game

Any game as warframe is not viable for that (unless it’s a fashion competition or something) and duel it out

[viscid quarry]

That won’t allow us to see which is highest form of neurodivergent among us

[rain otter]

there are duel rooms in dojos. Warframe PVP does suck though lmao.

[viscid quarry]

Exactly

Hence other games that we all own

[void bolt]

Wats is a dormizone?

[obtuse gyro]

Dormitory zone

[desert cargo]

Basically an apartment for two.

[nova harness]

Used by one

[desert cargo]

Speaking of the dormizone, wasn't that where the Operator's family lived? Why isn't there a third bed, or a children room?

[obtuse gyro]

why would your parents not be sleeping in the same bed?

[desert cargo]

The bed being too small for two people.

[obtuse gyro]

Definitely can fit

[nova harness]

I’ve seen 2 people on a bed around its size

[obtuse gyro]

but also keep in mind that all excess furniture had already been removed from the premises, so like who knows what the full config was

[nova harness]

Was this when the Orokin found the Zariman adrift?

[desert cargo]

It would be a tight squeeze to fit two people.

[nova harness]

Still possible

[obtuse gyro]

given that you've placed the model dead center, I can see that you can fit 2 folks there, if you maximise the space on the bed

thats bigger than a super single bed, and I know thats a "tight squeeze"

[nova harness]

And 2 beds worked perfectly fine in cases like Rells where they only had one parent on board

[desert cargo]

I love how no one questioned the choice in decor.

[ocean void]

Wth is this?

What is the purpose of the body for?

[rain otter]

Isn't there another bed to the right of this?

[desert cargo]

There is. But that's my wife.

[sour gale]

Love it

[rain otter]

Okay sure but there are 2 beds lmao.

[nova harness]

They want to know where our parents slept if one of the beds is ours

[rain otter]

In their own bed.

[nova harness]

They don’t believe the parents could both fit

[desert cargo]

Well they could fit, just not comfortably. Not a lot of room to roll around or reposition.

[nova harness]

The Orokin aren’t in the business of thinking far ahead

[desert cargo]

The orokin aren't in the business of anything besides themselves.

[nova harness]

Indeed

They just had beds built that could fit people not make them comfortable

[rain otter]

Also it is very possible the children and families had different housing. Remember the tenno where all effectively teens/pre teens at the time.

[amber terrace]

Do we think that the Jade Shadows update will give any lore on the Jade Light? Or is the Jade moniker just for the Jade warframe

I know it’s focal point is Stalker, I would really like to know how the Jade Light works

[nova harness]

They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore...

[amber terrace]

It eviscerates people, cool. How does it eviscerate people?

[nova harness]

It just does

[viscid quarry]

Let it be known that the bug regarding the requiem mods has been fixed, it had lasted for 26 days, may it rest in peace.

[rain otter]

Yonta did it to herself.

[nova harness]

Red text can beat Wally in a fight confirmed?

[nova harness]

And the Void took that personally

[umbral fjord]

WHO TF IS QUINCY

😭 do we have another character beside aoi and arthur

[nova harness]

Find out in 1999

[viscid quarry]

Quickly bribe red text with feet pics

But not before 1999

[warm anvil]

oh yeah i still need to find a higher quality photo and figure out what this says

this shows up right after you check the date on the computer in the subway

[umbral fjord]

what does this means

[prime lantern]

Iirc it's a routing error

[rain otter]

My guess is he's gonna be volt.

Cuz 4 starters.

[ebon token]

You seen The Boys right?

actually a better example would be Tom Cruise's "The War of the Worlds"

[sacred flint]

I like to think that Quincy is volt and that we will get a rhino and Loki later

Or a banshee

[tropic venture]

tbh I feel like it'll just be the three starter frames

Loki maybe too since he used to be one

Quincy is probably Volt tho yeah

the name Quincy means "fifth-born" and Volt is the fifth Warframe

[ebon token]

I like to imagine we'll be able to give Arthur, Aoi and Quincy different warframe abilities with excal, mag and volt just being the default

[tropic venture]

we'll see, we're still completely in the dark with how 1999 will actually work gameplay-wise

[ebon token]

yee

[tropic venture]

if it'll be a whole new gamemode or just a quest

[ebon token]

we'll see more with tennocon tho so 🦐

[sacred flint]

XD new updates will just give us more protoframes that we can use to roam around in 1999 kinda like prime frames

[tropic venture]

if it is a new gamemode, I hope it has a more lingering presence than Duviri did

[sacred flint]

Would be sick to see and then we would have another variant of our frames

[tropic venture]

I love Duviri insanely, but it kinda faded into obscurity after its release

[ebon token]

Same

Wish we got more content with that, veilbreaker etc

[tropic venture]

well it's less like a variant of a frame than it is a person with a frame's abilities

[sacred flint]

True. I would have love to let it be a starting point and that new quest actually went the direction that they had planned

[tropic venture]

veilbreaker evergreen shard removal is so bad

[ebon token]

give Kahl like

[tropic venture]

nah, the whole duviri starting quest thing was and still is really bad

[sacred flint]

Like they said that future quest were like for the duviri side and that the stories would both converge at one point and then continue in each opposite direction

[ebon token]

mobile defence type missions or exterminate

[sacred flint]

Like bro that was a sick idea

[tropic venture]

still waiting for a Veilbreaker Parazon skin

and just more Parazon skins in general

[ebon token]

dude fighting a Void Angel in Duviri as the Drifter would be so cool

[tropic venture]

another assasination Undercroft mission being a Void Angel would be pretty neat yeah

[ebon token]

yeah!

i like to imagine whenever you play as the Operator/Drifter in the Origin system

the one you're not using is sent to Duviri

you're literally swapped around basically

so the Operator's vibin with her uncle whilst the Drifter guns down Grineer and Corpus

[tropic venture]

well they both exist as the same entity, they can only be split as separate beings in the Void

so the "other one" isn't anywhere

[ebon token]

new hc: the Drifter swaps with the Operator from time to time in Duviri so she and Teshin can chat

:3

[tropic venture]

The Operator could probably enter Duviri via the Dormizone

[sacred flint]

Duviri undercroft needs netracell mission

[ebon token]

true, Just lvt her and Teshin drink tea together

like how the Operator and Drifter have dinner together ❗

[sacred flint]

Mush cubes to eat

[tropic venture]

Varzia and Teshin have a date in the Dormizone. Don't let the Operator walk in on them

[sacred flint]

“Here operator, have a cube of cheese

[tropic venture]

not even cheese, the cubes are just "protein" "carbohydrates" etc.

[sacred flint]

Even worst

[ebon token]

I like to think the Operator learns how to cook just to share it with the Lotus, Teshin or the Drifter

[sacred flint]

Modular kitchen release when?

[ebon token]

having lunch with mum/uncle/I guess in this analogy the Drifter is your sister but like its also you?

[sacred flint]

Imagine warframe adding a cooking simulator in the game

[ebon token]

but that'd be cute tho! you can make your kavat or kubrow etc food!

its just something you can do to interact with them or have a cute moment with npcs

[tropic venture]

cook stew with that Ostron Brother in the Garrison

I forgot his name

[sacred flint]

He has a name?

[ebon token]

yea

[ebon token]

enjoy a steak with Kahl ❗

[sacred flint]

Ni but like I would immediately make that drink that makes you me tong stuck to the roof of your mount and just feed it to everyone

[tropic venture]

all the Brothers do

[tropic venture]

Kabuchi

it's basically like really nasty alchohol

[sacred flint]

Witha little bit of glue

[tropic venture]

Tequila but somehow worse

[viscid quarry]

Oooh I want

[visual walrus]

why are there two orbiters

[tropic venture]

the one above is the Landing Craft

[ebon token]

thats thv landing craft

the one below is the Orbiter

[tropic venture]

the lower thing is the actual Orbiter it attaches to

[ebon token]

anyways since youre past it

RIP Alad V you will be missed

[tropic venture]

Alad V was not killed

[ebon token]

by us I'm pretty sure Frohd Bek opened a bottle of champagne after finding out Alad V went MIA

[ebon token]

rest in...mia?

[tropic venture]

the Landing Craft has Navigation, the Codex, the Market etc.

The Orbiter has the Foundry, Arsenal etc.

[visual walrus]

they're sperate?

[tropic venture]

yes

the Landing Craft (Liset in your pic) is what you fly down onto planets with, it docks onto the larger Orbiter

[visual walrus]

oh

[tropic venture]

it's the front "room" with Navigation, Codex etc.

the Foundry and Arsenal are in the Orbiter

[gritty flume]

every time i look at protoframe thing, idk

are they even "victims" of being turned into full fledged warframe later on or wat

[tropic venture]

The codex entries explain it

Albrecht brought Helminth tech with him to 1999, and used it to enhance volunteers

Tho the strain is still spreading through their bodies, hence Arthur coughing and seeming ill in the 1999 segment of Whispers

[gritty flume]

oh literally i cannot wait to take down albrecht entrati at some point

[tropic venture]

For all his good deeds and intentions, he was still an Orokin at heart

[obtuse gyro]

the protoframes knew what they were doing and volunteered

as much as albrecht has his abrasive orokin-ness, lets not randomly assign him sins he did not commit

[gritty flume]

huh...

[tropic venture]

yeah, as I said, volunteers

[gritty flume]

oh well

[ebon token]

Albrecht even says it himself

If I am a Demon, let me be an honest one

[tropic venture]

Well that's also referring to his now Void-ness

[ebon token]

honestly I find you can read it in two ways that simultainously are correct

the most obvious reading is he's unsure who came back. He's scared he's Not the Albrecht that went into the void first

the other is self reflection

dude gets humbled hard in Duviri

[wintry quarry]

Android version release date?

[ebon token]

the point I'm trying to make is despite this, Albrecht is aware he's not a good person, the point he's trying to make is he wants people to let him prove he's not evil

[tropic venture]

we have none

[gritty flume]

if only 😦

but it seems DE has yet to have plans to make android version of warframe somehow...

[obtuse gyro]

https://www.warframe.com/android

lets try not to pretend that the android version is not something they've already thought of

[tropic venture]

yeah Android version is basically confirmed, we just don't have any dates

[gritty flume]

._.

[viscid quarry]

But the surprise.. (lol)

[umbral fjord]

wait so he’s responsible for spreading the helminth in 1999 with these technocyte machines ? 😭 god damn it why can’t the orokins leave things alone

[obtuse gyro]

no thats a completely different thing

[obtuse gyro]

the only people who have helminth in them are the protoframes, albrecht has not been identified as the cause of infestation in 1999

[umbral fjord]

okay cool

i mean not so cool tho but atleast he isn’t responsible for that 😭

[visual walrus]

I just completed whisper in the walls

the part where I needed to hold e to charge up for something was hella dissapointing

I thought I was gonna do a giant void beam

not rizz up the other vessel

[umbral fjord]

homosexual giants are better

[visual walrus]

I still wanted to see a void kamehameha

not a "treat me like white tees"

nah, just prefer giant death beams

[proven grove]

Get loided

[vocal steppe]

Thats the tenno power mentioned by Ballas

[covert tree]

Hey am I right in thinking duviri teshin is normal teshin

[real niche]

Yes.

[covert tree]

Technically three because lotus hand shows some sort of intelligence

[balmy storm]

She’s a sentient, the hand is her

Or what’s left

[rain otter]

Also that's later than those fragment.

[balmy storm]

It’s not even a power it’s just compassion lol

[ebon token]

"It was not their force of will, nor their void devilry"

Insert the Operator butting in going "Its called basic human empathy."

[visual walrus]

the angels of the zariman quest is very easy

I killed void angel with sirocco quite easily

[ebon token]

How was New War?

[visual walrus]

I finished It in a day. the kahl and veso sections were quite intresting

the railjack section was hard for me

I don't do railjack often

[ebon token]

and the story 👀

[visual walrus]

confusing

[ebon token]

What do u nved clearing up on?

[visual walrus]

alot

It was so overwhelming; I don't even remember what happened anymore

and I did the quest yesterday

[ebon token]

Imma just add some clarity to the Operator and Drifter since thats prolly confusing u

[visual walrus]

dw I know that one

some multiverse shananigans

[ebon token]

tl;dr

They're the same person just from different timelines
in the New War they basically converge and become the same entity

[visual walrus]

blah blah blah void blah blah sun get eaten blah blah

ballas die blah blah

why did erra not kill kahl

[ebon token]

Not his goal

[visual walrus]

was kahl's bomb disarmed by erra

[ebon token]

-his goal was to conquer the Origin System and get subjects to veil. He found a heavily injured Kahl and went "You'll do"
-Yes.

[visual walrus]

sentients have the most BS powers

[ebon token]

the Narmer Veils are using Kuva

[visual walrus]

sirocco is good

[ebon token]

and Sentients themselves basically hard counter tech reliant civilisations

[visual walrus]

just use the overcharge

[visual walrus]

and that comes with whole lot more powers

[ebon token]

mhm remember what Ballas states in the Sacrifice on how the weapons the Orokin would typically usv completely failed against the Sentients

meaning even their Jade Light tech failed

[visual walrus]

that's crazy

I'm still fretting over the amount of focus I got while doing the angels of zariman quets

can I farm focus that way?

[ebon token]

so Sentients overwhelming a relatively primitive bomb used by the Grineer is child's play

yes

[visual walrus]

and do the big guys that drop the focus, also drop arcanes

[ebon token]

Thrax? yeah

[visual walrus]

I remember getting an arcane from doing something

[ebon token]

both the Thrax mobs & Void Angels drop arcanes

just the Thrax arent guaranteed to. Void Angels are.

[visual walrus]

I think they're name started with an exo

[rain otter]

Exo dampeners have Thrax in them or they try to mess with them.

[visual walrus]

Am I able to use nataruk as drifter again?

[nova harness]

If you replay New War yeah

[ebon token]

^

[visual walrus]

Man.

[wheat charm]

This pic goes hard. I screeshot

[stable ingot]

Agreed, is no evidence that he is the cause of the spread but he could have. My thoughts are 1999 will be what bridges Dark Sector and Warframe...I know I have heard that DE was not happy they made Dark Sector because its not the game they wanted to make but its good lore to still utilize. And I know based on the weapons in DS it has to take place in 1998 or later cause the RL version of the Protecta was not made till 1998, if we go with that logic. Maybe the spread was already happening and is the Great Plague the Mire mentions and he just utilized it to hide which is what it sounded like he was doing in Whispers.

[obtuse gyro]

bridges Dark Sector
Dark sector is already shown to be a movie type thing in 1999, we're not linking what happened in DS to warframe

[near rune]

Albrecht calls 1999 "the plague year" in his notes. I don't think he would do that if he were the cause of it. It sounds like that's just when it happened.

[viscid quarry]

I’m guessing that’s when the technocyte first came around (likely some rogue bioweapon ig) and I’m assuming humanity was so ruined that whatever counts for a precursor to the orokin empire came around

[nova harness]

Isn't Technocyte Dark Sector only?

[near rune]

Albrecht calls it Technocyte, so the name is canon in Warframe. See also Nano Spores resource description.

[viscid quarry]

The strains have their own name

But the original base is technocyte iirc

[amber terrace]

If I may, where do we think Warframe’s story is going to lead after 1999? It would be a tragedy of the highest degree if WITW and 1999 went down the same path as AOTZ and Duviri, where AOTZ and Duviri are mostly narrative islands where Duviri mostly exists to explain how the Drifter ended up in the Origin System and AOTZ exists as a staging ground for Duviri

[near rune]

Well, we know the next few years of the story is planned out. Reb has indicated we're in the "Void" arc but hasn't said how long that is. If we assume it's around 4 years (roughly the same amount of time as the New War/Sentient arc) then there's still a year or two left in it. I'd guess that after 1999 there's maybe one more big story quest with a climactic showdown with the Indifference, after which it's removed as a threat one way or another, and we move on in the story.

[nova harness]

Gray can I ask you what you think of something?

[amber terrace]

Ah, follow up question: once 1999 is finished, do we think that WITW and 1999 will become no more than content islands where sure they can give us dakkas that do ridiculous numbers and also provide a set of weeklies that give good loot, but the narrative and story these quests tell will be very self contained in context of the larger story

TL;DR
Once 1999 is played, will WITW and 1999’s stories end up mostly self contained within the larger context of Warframe’s story

[viscid quarry]

From there what the hell do we do

[prime lantern]

Tau perchance

A new threat appears

Maybe with wally out of commission the deimos infested are free to plague star themselves

[amber terrace]

I mean that is an option. Imo, an Infested Key Mind would be a considerable step down from beefing with the closest thing Warframe has to a canonically mentioned deity(The Indifference)

TL;DR
Infested seems cool as a next step
Infested seems step down from fighting a god

[amber terrace]

All I would hope for is that DE doesn’t power creep their antagonists

[near rune]

sure

[formal grove]

it honestly surprises me that some people are still saying that Arthur and Aoi are the Vessels in the lab

in Albrecht's notes, he says that he used the samples he took from Arthur and Aoi and combined them with the Grey Strain and Warframe tech

and he based their appearance on Arthur

[prime lantern]

I mean it's the rule of escalating threats

[formal grove]

but I still see people saying that Arthur and Aoi became the Vessels

[prime lantern]

The New threat in some capacity needs to pose a bigger or equal threat as the last

Or else them being a threat is a bit of a misnomer

I killed God why is peasant #87 a threat to me

[prime lantern]

He used there genetics

[formal grove]

yeah, that's what I meant when I mentioned the samples he took from them

but I'm still seeing people who are saying that Arthur and Aoi turned into the Vessels

[obtuse gyro]

Welcome to gaming, where gamers dont read

[formal grove]

I mean, I did see a post where the OP thought that the Corpus were a branch of the Grineer, and they asked why the "Orikan" was changed from a resource to a race of people

[obtuse gyro]

Oh man

[rain otter]

their wrong. people are wrong often.

[ebon token]

if only people read the part where Albrecht literally says the Vessals are the results of data he got from Arthur mixed with the Grey Strain

[near rune]

I guess some people don't read the Notes?

[formal grove]

I mean, back when Dante Unbound came out I saw someone still asking how long it would be until we got cross play and cross save

[near rune]

okay well

that's harder to explain. DE goes so far out of their way to talk about that every time since it came out.

[rain otter]

I'm also reminded people told me Albretch and Loid weren't in a relationship after whispers came out it was very funny.

[slim anvil]

roommates naturally

[rain otter]

Omg they where roommates.

[amber terrace]

I’m willing to bet a good amount of internet points that if someone were to compile all the moments that Albrecht and/or Loid acted gay(/pos), you’d be able to fill an entire Grimoire (/pos /lh)

[rain otter]

Heheheheh yeah.

[amber terrace]

Was I using tone indicators properly? I’ve been using them sporadically and I never got the hang of them lol

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[void bolt]

Did Albrecht have a diff partner since mother is his child?

[ebon token]

as in a wife? yeah

[sage plover]

Not sure where to put this, but I still have to do the New War quest but I am procrastinating because I am going to stream it. Without giving out spoilers, is there anything I should be aware of going into this quest? I already know that I need my amp lvld, but I was wondering if I should make a 213 amp instead of the 111 amp?

[ebon token]

Your amp's fine
-Level up your railjack a little. Same with Necramech

that's about it

[sage plover]

Ok cool. My NM is 14 right now, but my railjack is pretty low still I think.

[ebon token]

that's fine honestly

[void bolt]

Also u can't play anything else after u start it

[sonic cedar]

Pazuul is still kicking and screaming somewhere

[rain otter]

111 is perfectly fine. Having that is 10 times better than a Mote so your alright.

[rain otter]

Mothers mom like either died or left before Albretch discovered the Void. Grandma is also father's mom just so you know.

[viscid quarry]

We don’t exactly have a reason to go there other then sweet sweet loot

Hell what about the rest of the Godamn galaxy

[wheat charm]

Probably Tau is the closest system. The same problem with our solar system. Maybe Tau is proxima centauri but in game :)

[obtuse gyro]

No tau is tau ceti lol

[viscid quarry]

Seriously though we don’t have any reason to go to tau

Unless of course we magically find actual aliens this time

In which case I advocate for stealing their armor for fashion

[rain otter]

Tau is full of sentients. Sentients that are very removed from the old war and the new war even. They have been fully disconnected since Hunhow destroyed the Origin system side of the solar rail. Even Lotus is like "yeah current Tau doesn't care about any of this"

[viscid quarry]

Exactly

We don’t have a reason to go to tau hell I doubt they even hold the hatred at this rate

[rain otter]

I think Pazuul will try to rebuild the Origin system side of the solar rail and we will stop him.

but i don't think we will ever go to tau in anytime in the near future.

[viscid quarry]

If we do imagine how the planets will be like

More importantly the stuff we can steal

[sage plover]

Yeah, I heard about that. So I guess I'll have to prepare for that lol.

[fading turret]

Oh my god how did I never notice that For Narmer is a corruption of We All Lift Together

Not just in the flow, but the lyrics.

[ebon geode]

Hello, I'm a mobile player, I'm playing THE WAR WITHIN [KUVA CASTLE] mission, somewhere in the game I stun the golden mouth, I need to get on, but I can't get on and a new golden mouth comes right behind it, I haven't passed the section for about 2 days.

[fading turret]

Is there not a button to perform transference?

[zinc valve]

I have a theory for 1999

The doctor opened a way back in time with the void but as much as he tried to cover his track it opened a way for the demon to follow him. And since he was really smart I'm assuming he anticipated this so he made essentially super soldiers. As why they refer to him as the doctor. But then something happened causing the demon to gain control of him. He turned evil and now the super soldiers haves to fight for the future while the very person who betrayed them knows how to control them and such. This is where the tenno comes in with loid. That the murmurr incident happens where loid discovers a path to the past and the tenno steps in losing their warframes for a bit. But as loid finds a way to send the Warframe over the tenno was saved by the super soldiers and they think they are a child until they used the void power against say the shadowy figure of the doctor which. At first will cause them to be wary but the story will evolve to the tenno will get their warframes and fight alone side the super soldiers because the tenno is immune to grandpa eldazi

This is my theory

I was thinking about what could happen and like the writers at DE are amazing at story telling

But this is the general idea I had that could make sense in a way

[viscid quarry]

If you play them alongside each others they do kinda mix

[chilly pine]

someone did make a remix combining both songs

[rain otter]

Yeah and it winds down into like a sadness where as lift together is like getting more and more hopeful towards the end.

[rain otter]

I mean we know where the time machine is its what Loid destroyed. Also they refer to him as a doctor cuz he is a doctor and he was their doctor. It's talked about in the Fragments in whispers you get by beating the books.

He went back in time more than once.

[amber terrace]

I know I’ve said this a morbillion times, when I played New War, I was just going through the motions, right up until For Narmer started playing. When I heard that song, when I saw what that golden “lord of lies” freak, Ballas, did to the Solaris, the first NPC group in Warframe that I genuinely sympathized with, I didn’t care about Lotus anymore. I was dead set on breaking Ballas’ kneecaps for what he did to my doers and old coves

[rain otter]

I think that and the like hunhow talk are like big pull you in moments.

[amber terrace]

Hunhow’s voice makes me feel a certain way

[rain otter]

Heheheheheh

[amber terrace]

Like I’m sure if he had a defined humanoid form, I’d be liable for war crimes if it meant letting him cleave my heart beating from its nest

Unrelated,
What was the Necralisk to the Entrati before it got all infested up?

[ebon token]

probably just Albrecht's home above his laboratory

[rain otter]

the same. their home.

[viscid quarry]

Specifically their manor and void research facility

[nova harness]

Didn’t they also have a home on a different planet?

[rain otter]

no?

[nova harness]

Kaelli wasn't even meant to be here

So she was meant to be living on the side of a planet?

[rain otter]

Show proof?

[nova harness]

I just did

If Kaelli wasn't even meant to be on Deimos she had to have somewhere else to live meaning the Entrati have to have another place

[obtuse gyro]

theyre asking for something shown in the game, not your own personal statement

[thick jolt]

Pretty sure "kaelli wasn't even meant to be here" is the quote

[nova harness]

if the Tenno is rank Family) "Kaelli wasn't even meant to be here. She stowed away, not wanting to be left out of the adventure. Somehow still as sweet as ever, she is my greatest sorrow. My parents' too, I know."

[obtuse gyro]

lack of citations makes it extremely difficult to tell

[graceful zodiac]

I have vague recollections of the implication, but that was in reference to being on Deimos at all

[near rune]

This is the line in question. My reading of it is that the Entrati family were not originally on Deimos, but that interpretation is complicated by all the recent lore indicating the Entrati have pretty much always been on Deimos.

It's possible that Albrecht's main lab was on Deimos and he kept his family off-world for safety or something, and they later joined him during the Old War.

But it's also just possible the writers forgot this line entirely, since it's the only one that points to the Entrati arriving on Deimos from somewhere else.

[nova harness]

Gray can I still ask you about that thing I was thinking about?

[near rune]

Sure yeah

Sorry I've been in and out of the chat recently

[nova harness]

So you know I’m the 1999 demo we got access to

[near rune]

ye

[nova harness]

It seemed to me like Albrecht was only there telling us to not be late and sending us on our way do you think that’s the case?

[near rune]

Well, we don't have a lot of the details. But Arthur was working with Dr Entrati at one point (according to Albrecht's Notes), but Aoi seemed to be telling him to kill Dr Entrati. So we don't know why Arthur was in the subway at that time – maybe to meet Dr Entrati and maybe to kill him or something. But either way it seemed to me like he was sort of intending to encounter him there one way or another. I don't know if that has to do with us entering Arthur by Transference either. Regardless, when we see him, Albrecht gives us (not Arthur) a direct message for Loid that was critical to the Kalymos Sequence moving forward. Whether or not that was the true reason he was at the subway station is not clear.

[nova harness]

Guess we’ll find out in 1999 then

[near rune]

Yeah

[viscid quarry]

It is their void research facility aswell as manor

Safe to assume they have other homes and other avenues of research

[rain otter]

I think Entrati ancestal home is said somewhere? I might be wrong. @near rune

[near rune]

Not that I can recall

[viscid quarry]

Let’s just assume lua

[near rune]

One of the "wrong" answers on the Duviri tablets says that Albrecht was entombed on Lua, so maybe.

[thick jolt]

i could see it being lua since well it orbits earth
i'd say the limit on where it could be would depend on how far they could reach pre-void tech (iirc rails are void tech)

[chilly pine]

i mean, lua was the capital of the orokin empire, so itd kinda make sense theydve entombed him there, or atleast claim to or something

[near rune]

Well even without Void tech you can get around the Solar system, just slowly

[thick jolt]

yeah but how easily?

tbh there's a lot of context missing about how and where they lived/spread pre void tech

[near rune]

True. I imagine they did a decent amount of exploring and colonisation pre-Void

[prime lantern]

Depends on how nls was back then

Mind you nls is a very vague thing as .01c is nls

So between .01c and .99c is our limit for nls

[earnest kraken]

I need to know what is the funniest thing in the lore of warframe

Idk im bored and i want a quick laugh

[obtuse gyro]

The legend of john prodman

[nova harness]

Ballas died by kiss

[earnest kraken]

Ima go look up the john prodman one, but tbh i forgot about ballas just immediately dying after getting kissed, i remember laughing really had at that when i first saw it

[viscid quarry]

You shame his epic name? He is a legend

[viscid quarry]

He’s also a community meme and like Clem was eventually canonized

[obtuse gyro]

You dare think that he wouldnt have wanted us to laugh with him?

[nova harness]

And with Clem his creator is immortalised

[viscid quarry]

You dare assume what he thinks

[obtuse gyro]

You dare assume what he doesn't think

[earnest kraken]

From what i see, he's litterally the gigachad of the corpus

[viscid quarry]

Why I wouldn’t dare but you do

[viscid quarry]

Correct

[rain otter]

The archons all got no diffed by a normal person with no powers and a bone Bow.

[viscid quarry]

Said person had help the bow very powerful and the person inmortal

John prodman only had his trusty prova

[rain otter]

Drifter is probably not immortal.

[viscid quarry]

We should all aspire to be like John prodman

[rain otter]

Until later.

The bow is made of them how is that good? I can't.

Also it's one person just move the archons.

[prime lantern]

Given my track record weapons made of another person are usually powerful

[nova harness]

The true funniest thing in Warframe is how Ballas died

[rain otter]

We grew Lotus back from a hand. Starfish lotus real.

[viscid quarry]

In any case John prodman is an icon thst we should all aspire to

[viscid quarry]

Sentients are just starfish confirmed

[rain otter]

I mean kinda?

[nova harness]

Why can’t John Prodman beat a Warframe?

[earnest kraken]

So we all agree that we need to kill all starfish before they become the sentinients IRL

[rain otter]

I mean all the sentients we fight are fragments of big sentients.

[viscid quarry]

He’s going easy for his fans

[prime lantern]

He's holding back

[rain otter]

The Eidolons on the Plains are all fragments of a dead sentient and it's why they are like "incomplete" and they all have to have a random item limb.

[nova harness]

Nataruk is made from Hunhows kin too

[balmy storm]

We really got Lotus’ sibling as a bow

[viscid quarry]

Understatement

[viscid quarry]

And pretty damn good

[nova harness]

It wasn’t made by Erra that’s why

[viscid quarry]

Exactly

The archons are good but that’s because it’s just Tenno with animal bits (or just Tenno forced into becoming sentient furries or something idk)

And we don’t talk about the bastard child unless it’s insults

[nova harness]

Does the Nataruk say why Sentients are weak to it or was it just Arrows hurt?

[viscid quarry]

Energy arrows hurt

All hunhow said that it was as old as the archons

Or well ”a weapon as old as those you hunt”

[graceful zodiac]

Because he's still just a crewman at the end of the day.

[viscid quarry]

He’s going easy

[sacred flint]

John prodman literally just walks away after we beat him cause he is actually bored. So yea John can beat a warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Bored? Or just satisfied?

[sacred flint]

Idk I am too scared to ask

[obtuse gyro]

Id say his thumbs up suggests satisfaction

[viscid quarry]

He gave his fans the fight they wanted so he’s off to his palace to await when the corpus needs him most plans a false flag attack on the corpus board while actually attacking whatever reactor powers corposium to draw him out

[viscid quarry]

Hell we don’t even stain his clothing or cause any damage to him as a whole

[normal coyote]

boy howdy do I wish they'd fix the bug in Kahl's Murex mission where the Wolf just doesn't show up

I just love playing for half an hour only for the boss to not spawn, meaning I just wasted a half-hour of my day

[near rune]

Ugh and the Murex mission is the worst one for a bug like that

[merry tree]

So I'm stuck on this part and looked all around.. can anyone help?

[obtuse gyro]

have you checked the lifts at the back?

[merry tree]

I just finished the mission I figured it out eventually

[ocean void]

You try hacking all the cameras to look for symbol of around each camera area?

[ornate valve]

Does anyone know how to access this loot room in this entrati labs endcap?

[thick jolt]

red light in one of the necramech spawn things

jump down the hole and meele slam to knock the platform free

[ornate valve]

Isn't that the one in the entry area?

With the lightning

[thick jolt]

recently found out it can happen in that type of room as well

[ornate valve]

interesting, there was no hole in the nechramech thing

[thick jolt]

not all of them but seems to be a variation of them

[ornate valve]

yeah there was one on the other side that didnt have it, i'll try to look closer. do i need to shoot the light or something?

[thick jolt]

the one i found just had the hole like the one in the spawn room

[ornate valve]

weird

[thick jolt]

very

[lime salmon]

Speaking of loot rooms
Does anyone know how to get into the ones behind the doors that glow gold in the labs? Or is that still the holes in the necramech summons?

[hard sky]

some have grates in the roof or passageways

depends on the one that you want to get into

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Albrecht's_Laboratories#Secret_Rooms

[haughty valve]

so tuff ngl

[void bolt]

Wisp prime skin is vry hard to fashion

[ocean void]

I post some guide videos of how to enter the new room of Albert lab area

#dante-unbound message

[lime salmon]

oh thank you!!

[smoky basin]

How to download in mobile?

[buoyant sonnet]

App Store

[rugged marsh]

IOS only.

[molten swan]

😦

[amber terrace]

Given the proposed Armor scaling changes showcased in the Devstream, is Hildryn going to stay as good gameplay wise as she is now?

What’s the optics?

[rain otter]

Probably tenno armor and shields aren't changing.

What will probably end up at is the same statuses and stuff are good and grinner armor doesn't feel as bad to fight without armor stripping.

Like I don't think anyone's build will much.

[amber terrace]

True, I was more referring to if Pillage is still going to be turning the game into easy mode

Or at least my 412% strength build that turns even Elite Deep Archimedea with full debuffs into easy mode

[rain otter]

I mean it takes away shields and armor it will still be good.

[amber terrace]

Ah, so what DE is doing is bringing down the “challenge” of having bullet sponge enemies while keeping armor strip abilities in their current update state of making the game into easy mode?

[rain otter]

It seems more like the toughness of armor enemies like less of a JUMP.

Also to make it where we don't have like 15 different flesh types for no reason.

[amber terrace]

That is a very welcome qol change

[amber terrace]

Odd question, in your opinion, would this be like a buff to the new player/early game progression? Like instead of curb stomping Earth up to Saturn and then hitting a wall because new players don’t really think to properly mod up until their build doesn’t instakill enemies, it would rather be like a new player consistently having a slow but steadily increasing challenge that compels the player to consistently upgrade their build until they have something that looks vaguely similar, but drastically underpowered, to the current “meta” of modding?

[rain otter]

I think we need a quest for like "modding" but really it would be for like corrupted mods cuz they like many things aren't explained but they are a big jump in power new players can and should get.

[umbral fjord]

what 😭

not me getting censored pick an urban dictionary loid 😭

[amber terrace]

Question about the nature of the Indifference. In the Whispers In The Wall quest, Fibonacci mentions that The Indifference is constrained to a set of Strands Of Khra given that it is missing some digits. The Indifference wasn’t missing fingers right up until Albrecht made the initial venture into the Void, so could it be inferred that it had a greater degree of freedom before Albrecht encountered(?) it?

[prime lantern]

It didn't exist before albretch encountered it

[amber terrace]

If that’s the case, could it be reasonably inferred that Albrecht conceptually embodied The Indifference?

[prime lantern]

Indeed it could

[rain otter]

That can't be true.

Cuz it goes back to 1999.

[prime lantern]

Causality

Time is not a line It Is a chain of causal event

[rain otter]

Well also we don't know if Albretch for sure made the indifference.

[amber terrace]

Conjecture: One of the reasons The Indifference is so fascinated(if human emotional concepts could even be applied here) with Real Space is not out of wanting to conquer it(if human materialistic concepts could even be applied here), rather out of wanting to “reclaim” It’s fingers that it lost in the immediate aftermath of Albrecht’s initial venture into the Void.
Do I track?

[rain otter]

Also yeah we have the "digit" but it's also many digit we have of the one. Also Ballas opening up the giant void portal while eating the Sun seemed to make the mitw more active.

[prime lantern]

What is
The man in the wall

The man in the wall other times referred to as the indifference is an eldritch being of unknown origins

The man in the wall was first encountered by albretch entrati, the man who first entered the void it was this encounter that changed wally from a shapeless Nothing to a shaped something by ripping a shape out of albretchs memories

After this encounter the man in the wall became real however he vanished for a while as albretch notes nobody had seen him after he entered

The man in the wall reappeared to the zariman a ship crashed in the void and drove nearly all the adults aboard insane making them attack the children

The children were forced to barricade themselves into classrooms where to one child the man in the wall offered a deal "I can save them all of them you just have to really want it" taking this deal birthed the tenno human children armed with para human abilities

Sometime later albretch entrati sent animals into the void eventually creating the cavia

From these animals (specifically bird 3) we learn what may be the man in the walls end goal

To be able to create/steal a physical form and free himself from needing other physical beings to think of things for him to be able to create them as he seems to be incapable of creating unique thoughts

Instead he merges together the thoughts of other beings to create an attempt at his end goals

[rain otter]

Both probably.

[rain otter]

The cavia would probably happen before the Zariman.

Also Albretch and his computer specifically didn't know the Mitw and the indifference where the same until it learned about the current tenno interacting with Rell.

[amber terrace]

Conjecture: If I am interpreting the relevant string of events, Albrecht was probably conducting further experiments with the Void while the rest of the Orokin Empire was eager to use this new fangled means of transportation to make short, calculated jumps around the Origin System

[rain otter]

Also Mother made the duviri book and the Zariman crew call the indifference the indifference so people knew of it seemingly.

[prime lantern]

Albrecht told nobody and yonta expresses confused concern at seeing her self in the requilerly drive

It seems they only learned about it after being revived

[amber terrace]

Conjecture: Isn’t the entire reason we call The Indifference “The Man In The Wall” is because of Rell? In the Operator Report in the Sanctum Anatomica, the terminal implies that Rell’s designation of The Indifference as The Man In The Wall was entirely Rell’s idea

[rain otter]

Why would Mother make a whole book about the horror of the Void to help kids and stuff?

[rain otter]

Yeah.

But also Albretch calls mitw that when he firsts sees him later he calls him the indifference.

But Wally really liked the man in the wall name i guess lmao.

[amber terrace]

Confusion. I thought Albrecht referred to The Indifference with any moniker relating to a wall was because of the Wall of Lohk, and how The Indifference was “trapped” in said wall after Euleria closed the portal?

[thick jolt]

To prepare the crew of the zariman for a long trip through the void

[viscid quarry]

The operator report does kinda suggest that

[rain otter]

Fair to both of y'all

[void bolt]

I miss ur penguin pfp

[rain otter]

I will probably go back.

I just did this for a bit a different server.

[covert tree]

Any ideas what's gonna happen in jade shadows

Nvm all I can say now is stalker LORE

[craggy elm]

Can someone please tell me how much this mod worth

[craggy solstice]

This is talk for spoilers, although there is not a dedicated price check channel I don't think a spoiler channel is the place to ask?

[craggy elm]

@craggy solstice spoiling the price is also considered spoilers topic XD

[amber terrace]

Really stupid idea for blast rework: on hits that proc the blast status, a certain percentage of the damage that the proc deals is expressed in a small radius around where the hit landed. TL;DR turn single target dakkas(primaries and secondaries) and choppas(melees) into semi consistent AOE