spoiler-chat

[chilly pine]

true

[nova harness]

You can see what Lua looked like before the Orokin made it golder

What’s the biggest moon in the game?

[balmy storm]

Ganymede is the biggest moon in our solar system, followed by Titan, Callisto, Io and then our Moon
So Lua

[rain otter]

The grinner actually use the earth as like basiclly a drinking foutian for all their forces.

if they didn''t have the earth they might all die out due to lack of water.

[balmy storm]

Welp

Time to nuke earth
We’ll deal with new loka later

[chilly pine]

i mean, given enough time the grineer will probably turn earth back into one of their toxic factory hells like ceres is (if im remembering the lore correctly)

[thick jolt]

2 birds one stone
Invite new loka to a tree hugging session and then nuke earth

[balmy storm]

Genius
Surely the weird void hole seen through the Yuvarium Void Mirror won’t have any quarrels with our activities

[graceful zodiac]

Earth is explicitly too hardy for the Grineer to do anything about

And any attempts to try and make something substantial is where we step in

[slender rune]

Veko died

[thick jolt]

yes vigo died

[obtuse gyro]

Poor Miso

[viscid quarry]

It’s a shame sevo never made it off

[vague turtle]

I still don't understand why all the warframes have backstories as though they're regular guys. It feels bullshit that it's always just a dead Tenno whose warframe we're rebuilding. :/

[obtuse gyro]

because these tenno, through their actions have made a story, they've become synonymous with their own frame

[tall shoal]

BUUUUT we could be building hundreds of nameless frames, with no light, no importance, nothing that makes them special, the frames we build have stories they’ve built throughout their lives that makes them important

[chilly pine]

that works, for most frames, then you got dagath

[vague turtle]

Then, it feels lame that the PCs will never be the Operator of their warframe.

[tall shoal]

It’s okay Dagath did her own thing got shot and now is a nameless, I think it’s cool still

Speaking of do we know anything about Dante’s story? I haven’t been online to check

[chilly pine]

dante worked with drusus as a scribe and archaeologist iirc, we also have a leverian for him which ties into the new mission

[obtuse gyro]

was drusus homie, was a very good scholar, when entrati dipped, he had to go find out, and then he died as a result

[tall shoal]

Oooooo aight, aight, I’ll have to check out his Leverian and all once I get back from my track meet tomorrow

Leverians are lowkey one of my favorite parts of the game, sad we don’t have an Equinox or Styanax lev but some day

[viscid quarry]

And from there Drusus just spiraled down until he entered a deal with parvos and was lacking when it came to his due

So he calls us for help and loid found out so he’s helping us help Drusus aquire artifacts… and culling the gruzzling population

[rain otter]

I wonder if when we build Dante we like "fix" his leverain. Probably not but I want it.

[balmy storm]

Do Drusus and Loid speak to each other??
I played a mission but nothing happened and that makes me sad cause they were friends ):

[balmy storm]

Unfortunately no, I maxed him and checked, all that’s new is the card

I wish we had the option to donate a dante and his weapons but at the same time, nobody wants to farm for Dante 3 potential times

[rain otter]

I would lmao.

[chilly pine]

i mean, if youre going to farm neo/axi at armatus youre going to get dante parts whether you want to or not so

[balmy storm]

Dang, then we should be able to donate our spare dantes smh

[mellow hare]

Well the PC is the Tenno who made the deal with HIM

So there's that

[vague turtle]

And that's cool for us, Albrecht, and Loid, but like...idk

I'm probably being silly.

[balmy storm]

Iirc all Tenno used a variety of frames

[vague turtle]

Then why do they get called by the name sof their frames in lore and---Arrrrgh I know this is a marketing thing to make new warframes appealing by giving them action figure blurbs but I can't express how frustrating the disconnect is to me. This is an autism thing, prolly not a big deal.

[obtuse gyro]

Because what they do in the frame affirms and defines the legend of the frame

[vague turtle]

Maybe that'll be us for Umbra. idk

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra legend was developed outside of tenno control, which is why it is different

[vague turtle]

Great, so even the frame we restored in the canon isn't linked to us. This is what's annoying to me.

[obtuse gyro]

What?

[vague turtle]

I'm not explaining this well. Let me try it with an anecdote. Sorry.

[obtuse gyro]

Of course he's linked to us, that was the whole shtick for the sacrifice's ending

But who umbra is wasnt defined or made up by us, it was made by him

[vague turtle]

I'm not explaining this well! Please, just give me a second!

It feels annoying to me that there is barely any lore about the Tenno themselves other than yourself and the other PCs.

The revelation that Warframes are, for the most part, nonsapient, and all the legends we've heard about Tenno are credited to those specific Warframes. I know DE wants to keep the plot twist secret, but it's annoying that even the people that know better describe Tenno by the names of their Warframes, and you're always reviving the frame of some legendary Tenno that died offscreen.

It feels like the PC is disconnected from the lore. Like an old WoW guild where you'd be forced to roleplay a grunt in the guild leader's army.

These are not a coherent point, because I suffer from severe mental illness. I'm trying to gesture at what I mean.

[obtuse gyro]

So your issue is that you the PC is not assigned a warframe to have their own legend?

Comparable to all tenno Id argue our PC tenno is the most important

[vague turtle]

That, or more stories like Chains of Harrow where there's a clear distinction between the Tenno and the Warframe.

It was about Rell, and then you got his old Warframe as a treat.

[obtuse gyro]

None of these other legends and stories of tenno through their frames can happen without your tenno

[vague turtle]

Loid of all people should know Dante wasn't the guy, it was just the Warframe!

I just want there to be some distinction between the Warframe and the Tenno Operator's actions.

Consistently.

[obtuse gyro]

Mind you for the duration of the warframes stint in the old war, the children werent exactly as definite personas as we are now

For all intents and purposes, the tenno who piloted dante, the conduit of their consciousness, developed and adopted the persona of Dante

[vague turtle]

Loid was not surprised when a little girl jumped out of Wisp and started doing 90s hacking. So why is he acting like Dante and Dante's operator are the same?

[vague turtle]

OKAY. I'd like to have that explored more!

If they made that a clearer plot point I'd be fine.

"When you were in the dream, you behaved like whatever Warframe you were inside. Now you can decide who you are."

Like that?

[obtuse gyro]

Its been like that for all of drusus's stories, especially the ones where he questions why certain frames have an affinity towards children

Drusus doesnt know why the tenno-as-frames have this sort of inclination towards children

The tenno exist separate to the frame, but are the frame

[vague turtle]

I'm either not explaining this well, or I'm having an episode. Either way, I gotta go, I'm very sorry. If you'd like to play together, hmu, but this is gonna be bad for my brain if I keep talking about lore.

[obtuse gyro]

More like, while you slept, you dreamt of what you are, a warframe, a construct. (You actively participated in the creation of the construct) and now that you are awake, you exist as yourself, dreaming not of what you are, but what you could be

[vague turtle]

Like I said, I gotta go here. This is a marketing:lore incongruence that I'm treating as a plot hole because my brain is like that. Thank you for indulging me. I do understand that, and it helped, but I think I just need to headcanon this for my own sanity.

I'm sorry. My in-game name is Zorayas if you ever want to hang out.

[obtuse gyro]

Snot so much a incongruence but I understand if its hard to process cuz of the brain juice

Brain juice can be mean sometimes

[arctic sorrel]

JFC those are Wally hands in the new Simulacrum

[south wigeon]

I want a Mesa one

[balmy storm]

We do have a styanax one what

[near rune]

Lol ahaha

To be fair, the Styanax Lev feels like kind of a waste to me, since it rehashes the exact same even as the anime

[balmy storm]

How does the dante’s retreat puzzle room work

[balmy storm]

Nvm figured it out

[vague turtle]

Did you ever meet someone that likes Ballas? Unironically? Like, thinks he's an alpha chad.

[sacred flint]

Wally being creepy…

[vague turtle]

I have a headcanon fix for my autistic screeching earlier.

Tenno and other void entities give off a vibe where you always know which Tenno you're talking to.

So, if my sister's character and I both showed up in Solaris with the same frame, same paintjob, Eudico would be like, "Ilunes, Freya, hey! Let's get to work!"

And then they just say "Wisp" did it

idk

[near rune]

Well? Don't leave us hanging

[near rune]

That's a cool idea!

[viscid quarry]

The middle podium thing has a selection of requiems that you need to activate, there are the very same requiems around the room which when fired at activates the requiem in question, all you need to do is to have every one listed in the podium as activated and the floor opens up to reveal (Atleast what I found) 3 lohk surges and a somachord fragment

[hollow dome]

probably not a spoiler but how do we unlock the yellow door in the big open tesla coil-y room near spawn in the labs? The others I could find the grate. Can't figure it out there

[nova harness]

Maybe the comment above is how

I haven’t found the door so I’m not sure

[hollow dome]

I dont think it's part of the new tiles

it's where you spawn in survival

[near rune]

Yeah it's an original tile but now with a door

[thick jolt]

On one of the exit corridors
I believe right one as you enter the mission has a necramech spawn cubby that has a hole in it
Jump down it
Land on platform
Meele slam the platform so it falls
You should now see the vent you walk through to get the loot

[hollow dome]

Ohh okay thanks

[near rune]

Yeah I just checked, the Necramech spawn cabinet has a flashing red light over it to indicate

Anyone know what to do in this room? I think it's related to the empty one of these four nodes but I can't figure it out.

[hollow dome]

I just did that one, there's a reactive crystal on the roof

[near rune]

Thank you!

There were two Vocas in there haha, nice

[covert tree]

Anyone wonder why we haven't seen a proto volt

[ruby pumice]

Maybe we will 👀

[nova harness]

Because 1999 hasn’t released yet and there’s still Quincy that might be Volt

[covert tree]

Let's go

[viscid quarry]

No that’s for dantes retreat

[viscid quarry]

There’s also I think a chance for a conduit fail safe in the room

[warm robin]

heyo crazy thought, could stalker either be arthur himself or a protoframe close to stalker which is why they want jade shadows out quick. Stalker could appear in duviri because of our connection with arthur

[viscid quarry]

What? No

[balmy storm]

There is a proto volt skin but I think it’s more coincidence its called that since it isnt similar in style

[warm robin]

says he was a low guardian which is a soldier that got shot into a warframe, very similar to whats goin on with arthur

[viscid quarry]

What?

[balmy storm]

The Stalker is not Arthur

[viscid quarry]

all we do know is that a low guardian serves the orokin

Arthur is in 1999

Causality dictates that stalker is actually older then Arthur

[balmy storm]

We are dealing with the void, but even still they’re different people

[warm robin]

arthur is in 1999 and warframe is far ahead. eternalism would kinda both thematically (since stalker has been around since the near beginning) and literally mean they could both be the same

[viscid quarry]

….

I see what mediocre meant by reading comprehension

Eternalism does not say that

Arthur most certainly isn’t stalker

[nova harness]

Warframe players came read canon?

[balmy storm]

We need a way to retake the eternalism quiz

[warm robin]

you can just redo new war

[nova harness]

Replay TNW

[balmy storm]

Maybe everyone entering lore or spoiler has to do the eternalism quiz to get in

[viscid quarry]

Preferably a way to blunt force trauma what eternalism is for a person

[warm robin]

but the big thing here is the concept of the protoframe and the low guardian definition are extremely similar

[covert tree]

Yeah like proto excal skin

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah lemme just replay a 3-5 hour quest for 1 quiz

[viscid quarry]

They aren’t

They are not even close

A low guardian protects the orokin and that’s all we know

[balmy storm]

Not like that, they just share a name and have no visual similarities

[viscid quarry]

A protoframe is made by albrecht in 1999 with a modified helminth strain

Very different

[warm robin]

all is said is a soldier that served the orokin that was augmented and thrown into a warframe

[viscid quarry]

Where did the second part come from

[balmy storm]

We will get stalker lore before tennocon, very unlikely it’ll have any ties to 1999 or Arthur

[nova harness]

I believe Low Guardians were just guards who didn’t make the cut to be a Dax which explains why Stalker is so weak

[covert tree]

Ok sorry

[viscid quarry]

That’s what I’m trying to say

[balmy storm]

We do not know WHAT stalker even is
Is he like Umbra?
Is he like us?
Is he something else?
We don’t know

[viscid quarry]

Probably not like umbra or us

[balmy storm]

You’re good, no need to apologize

[warm robin]

the best were turned into warframes we've picked that up lore wise

[balmy storm]

Ik, just stating the what he could bes

[viscid quarry]

….

[warm robin]

and again i didnt they were guaranteed to be the same, but theyre very similar and protoframes seem to follow the same logic of what he was

[viscid quarry]

It is most certainly not similar

You can’t throw someone in a warframe and expect them to be sane

[warm robin]

right

[viscid quarry]

As the process usually turns them insane

Umbra being the sole exception

[warm robin]

why is explaining arthur to stalker

[viscid quarry]

And protoframes are not available to the orokin

[warm robin]

why he hates us, we kept getting in his head and he went nuts

[balmy storm]

We have zero indication as to what Stalker is, we can’t just say he’s a protoframe when we don’t even know what that fully is yet

[warm robin]

protogrames are the entrati creation

[balmy storm]

He hates us because of what we did to the Orokin.

[balmy storm]

Knowing who made them does not tell us what they are

[warm robin]

i literally was just showing the fact theyre similar with the description of soldier turned into a warframe like creature

both pieces of lore are crazy similar for a game that likes to link everything together

weve already seen arthur starting to feel the technocyte

[balmy storm]

They aren’t that similar and don’t really work in any way to fit together atm

[warm robin]

dunno just an idea didnt expect to get such a hard shut down instead of a conversation

[balmy storm]

This is the conversation, you brought your theory to the table and we talked about how that presently does not work

Things could change, but right now with the small info we have it does not and Stalker cannot be Arthur

[nova harness]

Stalker being Arthur sounds like something Dseige would say

[south wigeon]

I don't think living the same horrifying memory and ONLY that memory falls under any definition of "sane"

not braindead is the correct way to put it

[balmy storm]

He’s more sane than the rabid ones

[nova harness]

He’s still a little rabid

[balmy storm]

Still more sane

[thick jolt]

That is a hole right there
We actually don't have a low guardian definition

[viscid quarry]

We would need to wait to see if that’s true or not

[nova harness]

Still sounds like something Dseige would say

He always says stuff like that

Actually I think he did say that

[viscid quarry]

Oh god

And you do make a fair point although this time instead of being filled with agreement by others in the comment we shut him down fast and hard

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra isnt even an exception, he's just only got one anchoring memory, but hes still as mad as they come

[viscid quarry]

I mean exception in that he still can generally move under his own will

[graceful summit]

Wait who said stalker is arthur?

[fading flame]

nobody

[graceful summit]

@fading flame i think someone mentioned it

[viscid quarry]

Someone named carbonskies

Why do you ask

[graceful summit]

I just thought it was a wild suggestion 💀

[viscid quarry]

It was

[jovial bison]

Not sure if this has been touched on yet, but in the 1999 Aoi Tennocon display it seems like we get our first glimpse at what DE is cooking up as far as artstyle goes. None of the architecture looks anything like what we have currently and I can almost guarantee there's some hidden secrets here. What do y'all think?

[ocean void]

We touch it already and that was in #fan-art

People just really love Aoi

[supple dagger]

hi i cant login to my warframe account canyou help mw

[jovial bison]

Not really seeing where people talked about it in #fan-art, this was in the TennoCon digital pack

[supple dagger]

pls

[jovial bison]

you may want to contact support, this isn't the place for that, sorry

or go to #1197322290166251680 and make a post

[supple dagger]

thank you

[hollow totem]

activate that are not listed or listed?

[thick jolt]

Listed

[hollow totem]

is this activate or not ?

[thick jolt]

Activated

[hollow totem]

k ty not sure if this mean activated or not thank again

[echo valve]

I found a secret room did it and it had a conduit debuff prevention item. Forgot what Loid called it. But here’s a photo of it.

[rough surge]

how do i pass these

there is no enemy

[drowsy comet]

the middle?

[near rune]

Conduit failsafe. It shows up in all versions of Disruption but is pretty tricky to find.

[echo valve]

Yeah that we must’ve gotten lucky lol!

[viscid quarry]

Eh usually I find it after a puzzle or that one room with a reactive crystal in the roof

[fresh edge]

Suda was an Archimedean!? Cooool!

[nova harness]

And Otak

[fresh edge]

That’s really cool

[fresh edge]

Where is this mentioned?? I just wanna point it out to someone

[barren sparrow]

I just read Albrecht's notes on the Cavia and this man is a monster in the finest Orokin tradition. I hope we get to stab him eventually.

[nova harness]

After accessing Loid's Dante Research shop in the Sanctum Anatomica, he reveals that Otak was an Archimedean, and the first one to discover the unique properties of Argon.

[fresh edge]

Fr… Sorry Loid.

[barren sparrow]

I hope Loid learns to move past his focus on Albrecht, yeah. I don't like Loid much either but he's just prickly and a bit arrogant, not monstrous.

[golden hull]

Returning player (started 2013 on PS4, stopped for years, now cross-saved to PC) and just finished the new war. I have to say the quest was brilliant except one or two things and DE really know how to keep you engaged.

[nova harness]

Was it the Archons and the stealth?

[golden hull]

Haha yep, never liked stealth missions in any game because they're universally terrible

the Archons are just bullet (arrow?) sponges, not particularly engaging at all.

Especially when you get your warframe for the third one and I deleted it in under a second, so it's like, why make the first two so annoying and spongey?

[merry night]

it did make us realize how strong the warframes are

[thick jolt]

Power comparison
Actual warframe vs average guy with funny bow

[golden hull]

Sure, but it also makes me go "this old-war bow that is supposedly sentient-destroying tech is terrible? Thanks Hunhow, I guess."

[nova harness]

Archons weak they lost to a guy with a bow made of bones

[golden hull]

I can only imagine what that quest is like if you aren't particularly good at the game as it were, or if you have some kind of disability

not fun at all.

[glossy briar]

Does anybody know what the Average mr rank you have to be to unlock steel path

[thick jolt]

To me the best part of new war is when people say they don't understand how to deal with the archons even tho there is a whole cutscene of hunhow explaining how to defeat them

[thick jolt]

There is no relation between the two

Steel path is unlocked by completing all mission nodes once

[nova harness]

You need TNW to unlock it

Does TNW have a MR rank?

[thick jolt]

Not anymore

[glossy briar]

Ik but im asking what mr rank i should be to be able to take on steel path

[nova harness]

MR doesn’t make you more skilled

[thick jolt]

With whispers they made a point to remove mr locks from quests

[golden hull]

There are plenty of frames that are basically "beginner" frames that can melt SP enemies with good mods, do all the nodes, do TNW etc then just try SP and see what happens.

[merry night]

once saw a mr7 in sp

[south wigeon]

MR does not make you more skilled or powerful yeah

[thick jolt]

I guess at least 8?
I think the bare minimum for steel path would be the cedo in terms of firepower

[glossy briar]

Thank you thats what i was asking about

[merry night]

so need someone to correct us
after rank5 with the holdfasts they now use the player's void power to survive right?

[rain otter]

Well the Drifter/operator being around them makes their Void like Face stuff go away slowly (each rank they Have less). You are their new like "power source" they take from instead of the finger which was slowly turning them into Angels.

So yes but you just being their does that. It's not something you actively did.

[merry night]

nice we still remember

[rain otter]

The Tenno is a bright renewing light Compared to the indifference coming from the finger that makes them feel worse and corrupt them. Ad said by them.

Also they do see both the Drifter and the Operator at the same time.

They got void Eyes.

[merry night]

also does anyone know what wally is saying in the whispers in the wall quest?

or we still don't know

[prime lantern]

Oull vome xata rhis something something

Should've been in the subtitles

[merry night]

voll ne xata vok, mara lohk

[rain otter]

Void tongue is still not deciphered but we know it means something. Oh wait we get subtitles for that I think.

[prime lantern]

No translation

[rain otter]

Cuz its the same thing we hear at the end of the new war.

[prime lantern]

Mara seems to be a way to refer to the operator

[rain otter]

Yeah we don't have a translation.

[prime lantern]

However what it actually means is unknown

[merry night]

mara lohk is operator/drifter right?

[rain otter]

Idk Fib uses "Mara Lohk" as a insult against the murmur we beat.

[rain otter]

Nah cuz Fib uses it as like a comeback or insult phrase.

[south wigeon]

Nah Mara Lohk consistently refers to us

[rain otter]

Like "gotcha"

[nova harness]

Voull Ne Xata Mara Lohk was what he said

[prime lantern]

Bah

[south wigeon]

Between that one tablet in Duviri and all other uses of it I know it seems to refer to you

[rain otter]

Nah I can literally find the Fib line at the end of the assassination.

[merry night]

didn't tagfer called out "mara lohk" for operator?

[near rune]

No he doesn't. "Mara lohk" appears to be a form of direct address to the Operator. When Fibonacci says it ("Vashtav, mara lohk") the implication is "Congratulations, Tenno"

[nova harness]

Mara Void

[south wigeon]

If I had to bet "Mara Lohk" is probably something along the lines of "children of void" or smthn like that

[rain otter]

Oh that makes more sense.

[prime lantern]

Mara lohk likely means "void something"

[merry night]

or void demon

[near rune]

Vashtav is also the name of one of the new soundtracks in this update btw

[rain otter]

Demon would be funny.

[south wigeon]

Wally calling us "void demon" would be... off, I feel

[prime lantern]

Where something is demon/devil/child/kid

[south wigeon]

Void child/children of void or smthn like that makes more sense I feel

[near rune]

Whatever "mara" means, it's a term that both Wally and the Cavia use, so I don't think it's something with an endearing connotation or a negative one ("demon"), because those are two very different groups who use the same word for the Tenno. So I'm inclined to think it means "child" or something neutral like that.

[prime lantern]

Maybe

[nova harness]

Child Void

[rain otter]

"As it was written, so has it come to pass. The awaited Operator has slain the many-armed Envoy. Hm. 'Vashtav, Mara Lohk.'" Oh there is one more word.

[nova harness]

Lohk Mara would’ve probably gave us as better answer

[near rune]

Yeah that's why I think vashtav means congrats or well done

[rain otter]

Vashtav probably means like congrats or something.

[south wigeon]

Conclusion: the sentence Wally says is "something something truth, 'Mara Lohk'(you)?"

[near rune]

Yes, that's as much as we know now.

[rain otter]

Yee. I agree. Wait what is it that Tagfer says?

[near rune]

During WitW, he says "Mara lohk!" to get your attention. He also says "IIRE! SHOGRUN UKUL!" at one point.

[rain otter]

He says like 1 or 2 phrases at the end of netracells right?

[prime lantern]

I'd be void child

Some languages arnt left to write

[near rune]

Tagfer has no Voidtongue dialogue during Netracells.

[south wigeon]

Makes one wonder when we will learn the full meaning, if ever

[nova harness]

Voidtounge could be right to left?

[merry night]

before entering the mission, when calling for you to give you the keyglyph

[prime lantern]

If it's a hieroglyphic language Like that it'd take a while have every word

[prime lantern]

More just a contextual language

[rain otter]

Hmmmm I swore there was.

[near rune]

While there are languages that are written right to left, there are no languages I know of that are spoken backwards. Then again, anything goes when dealing with the Void.

[nova harness]

When Wally gonna hire a translator for us?

[rain otter]

Hmmm do I want to run netracells to see? I need to do them anyway

[merry night]

it's a part of the quest, before you build the jahu gargoyle

[rain otter]

I know what you are talking about.

[merry night]

hope they let us replay the quest

[near rune]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-tagfer-netracells

[merry night]

speaking of netracells, we think it's interesting how they say albrecht gets lost down there too

[barren sparrow]

(fwiw I think "void child" makes the most sense, if we consider Wally's other form of address for us: "kiddo", in a sense of endearment or familiarity. Similarly to calling Albrecht "Little Bengel")

[merry night]

one thing we know for sure is mara lohk is the operator/drifter, hope 1999 give us more answers

[warm robin]

It was me, the lore entry on the pc in the labs and the way it was worded with descriptions of low guardians in the past were kinda similar in base concept. So I was playing with the idea if the technocyte drives you mad and 1999 is in the past, what if stalker = Arthur. With memory bs and technocyte over that huge span of time I could see the memories just being that the operator was present during 1999, then that same operator brought on the old war while he was on the orokin. Assuming Arthur doesn't die and just goes full warframe over time or whatever the stalker truly is between lowly solider to warframe. Which made me wonder because they said the stalker update was planned for two years and that sounds like the development time of new war into the base ideas for whispers/1999.

Coincidental timing and similar base ideas in lore made me have an idea

[thick jolt]

There isnt a description of low guardians thats the main issue

[fading flame]

You know it's jade that is stalker related not 1999 right

Jade quest will be a cinematic quest where you play as stalker in the past

[barren sparrow]

I personally suspect it's an archaic term for Dax, but we'll find out I suppose!

[thick jolt]

I dont really see the resemblance between dax and an angsty goth excalibur

But yeah we will see

[barren sparrow]

I mean. My working theory is that he was a Dax and then deliberately Helminth'd himself out of sheer spite for the Tenno because there wasn't any other way to kill them.

[near rune]

It can't be that archaic since he was around during the fall of the Orokin. It's as late-period as you can get. And the Dax were also around at the same time, so they are distinct classes.

[barren sparrow]

Ah, sorry. As in "DE hadn't invented the word 'Dax' yet"

[near rune]

This would have been plausible until the Operator Report resurrected the term. Stalker is confirmed as "a surviving Low Guardian, a former protector of the Orokin."

[barren sparrow]

oh it's been used since then? that is good to know.

[near rune]

Yes, DE has lately been revisiting some of their Very Old Lore Concepts like Low Guardians, Oro, Lorist healers, etc, and mentioning them again to remind us they still exist. It's pretty neat for those who pay attention, and I think might be DE signalling that they really don't want to do retcons unless they have to.

I had been saying for years that Oro was deprecated and soft-retconned, and then they had Albrecht mention it.

[nova harness]

They revived Oro to tell us to shut up about it

[north hamlet]

I'm glad they're doing that, the lore junkie in me loves it

[barren sparrow]

That will be...interesting, considering how much of a mess their lore is. I swear I want to rewrite everything to just. not be a nightmare.

It's one of the main reasons I play, but it is a mess.

[near rune]

Same tbh

[nova harness]

Gray has wrote down the lore

[barren sparrow]

(I hope we get to see the Night of the Naga Drums)

(Like...we know where it happened. Outer Terminus is right there on Pluto.)

[nova harness]

Dunno why but I have an image of the massacre in my head

[near rune]

Night of the Naga Drums is def one of those pivotal moments in the lore. Given that it's Stalker's main deal, perhaps we'll get to see it in Jade Shadows, or at least discuss it in detail.

[barren sparrow]

agreed. I would give up my account for the opportunity to write that for a quest.

[nova harness]

I think of them holding a wine glass raising a roast to us then us stabbing them

Sound about right?

[near rune]

I don't think as much "wine glass toast" as much as "ceremonial instruments"

[barren sparrow]

I always kinda imagined it as the Tenno emerging from a portal to array themselves on a runway or stage of some sort for all the Orokin present to see. The cheers die down, the Tenno tense imperceptibly, and the drums begin. An explosion of violence as everything in the room dies. Ballas, on the other side of a seriglass wall, turns to leave, hastily escorted by his guardians.

[nova harness]

Emperor’s

What emperors

[barren sparrow]

I would assume the ruling class, the ones actually identified as Orokin.

[nova harness]

I think it’s a retcon

7 emperors was changed to 7 Exacutors

[barren sparrow]

That would also make sense

[nova harness]

We don’t see Ballas or any other Orokin reporting to anyone except other Exacutors maybe

The old lore is usually retconned nowadays

Even more recent lore got retconned with Varzias return

[north hamlet]

Isn't Ballas an Executor

[barren sparrow]

Aye. Probably the last, frankly.

[nova harness]

Yes

[prime lantern]

We've only confirmed kills on 4/7 executors

3 more could still be at large

[barren sparrow]

Goodness I hope not. One was enough of a pain.
(And frankly it would be very sloppy. I am not a level capper but I do strive to get the job done.)

[prime lantern]

Tuvul ballas avantus and karrish confirmed dead

3 more with no name not confirmed dead

[nova harness]

I thought we only knew of 2-3 Executors

[barren sparrow]

those latter two names are new to me as well, I admit. Whence they?

[prime lantern]

Arid eveserator and Grendel leverain

[chilly pine]

i know we know the fates of 3, ballas tuvul and nihil, dont know of the other 4 tho

[prime lantern]

Avantus cleaved in 2 by a grineer buzzsaw

And karrish got eaten

[prime lantern]

I don't think nihil was an executor

[barren sparrow]

That's incredibly embarrassing XD

[south wigeon]

wait did they say it's in the past?

[nova harness]

And Nihil is only a theory

IMDb actually calls Ballas’s VA Executioner Ballas

[barren sparrow]

whoops. XD

[viscid quarry]

If nihil is an executioner it would be funny af since he’s our local jar man

[nova harness]

He’s enjoying a lengthy prison sentence for breathing my air

[chilly pine]

wiki calls him a "former orokin judge" so probably not

[viscid quarry]

That is unacceptable

[chilly pine]

now im reminded of the idea of having alternate voice packs for missions so its not just lotus telling us what to do

[nova harness]

Wiki isn’t authoritative on lore plus the 7 passes judgment

[viscid quarry]

Ordis does in Jupiter sabotage

[chilly pine]

fair

[prime lantern]

It also describes Drifter as being from an alternative reality rather than an unrealized possibility because a certain someone who shan't be named is stingy

[chilly pine]

think teshin takes over after lotus goes silent during the one quest aswell

[viscid quarry]

Natah yes

[south wigeon]

I feel like I'm missing context...

[viscid quarry]

New war, go

[south wigeon]

No I mean for the last part of the message

[viscid quarry]

He’s our local goober

[south wigeon]

although I'll admit I did always think the former about the Drifter

[chilly pine]

because a certain someone who shan't be named is stingy

admittedly im missing context regarding this aswell

[nova harness]

Maybe he’s talking about himself

[prime lantern]

Where Drifter is from stopped existening until wally needed it to stop not existing

As based on lines from both yonta and the omniscient 3rd person computer

[south wigeon]

Srsly how does that computer know half the stuff it does

[prime lantern]

It knows a guy ig

There's also other stuff wrong on the wiki

I only remember the Drifter thing because it was notable

[south wigeon]

I mean fandom wiki being wrong is a tale as old as fandom

[prime lantern]

Oh it listed hunhow as dead instead of eeepy

[chilly pine]

actually that is a question, whos writing the reports on that? i assumed fibbonachi but that then requires him to have been active all this time while the others are in stasis which i dont think is the case

[nova harness]

It once had Dr Entrati and Albrecht Entrati

[south wigeon]

It's no one we know

Only real possibility is the computer itself

[prime lantern]

It's likely just the computer itself

[graceful zodiac]

Where'd you get that the entire reality stopped existing

[south wigeon]

which I'm pretty sure makes it the first "smart", non-Sentient AI that we know of, right?

[prime lantern]

Yontas description of the zariman being an embassy for misfit realities that were never chosen and albretch computer describing Drifter as being from an unrealized possibility

Which under eternalism possibilities shouldn't not be realized

[south wigeon]

It's also implied somewhat since one of the lines in the computer is "It is Albrecht Entrati whom this device serves"

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter is an unrealized possiblilty, yes. That doesn't mean all the reality outside the Void stopped existing

[barren sparrow]

My interpretation of all this is that reality is the one timeline that does exist, and the Void is where the ghosts of all the other timelines are. Hence why the Drifter came from there.

[prime lantern]

Unless of course the possibilities involve alterations to laws of physics/mathematics/logic

[barren sparrow]

I do not think I could handle yet another multiverse in popular culture, they're so bad for stakes.

[prime lantern]

These can't exist unless we get futher context on how wfs cosmology works

[nova harness]

Drifter didn’t come from the Void

[chilly pine]

had a random thought, do we know when the orokin first appeared?

[prime lantern]

After the big bang before the eventual entropic end of the universe

Where atoms start stretching apart faster than light and literally nothing can exist

Well properly exist

[south wigeon]

Asking for any specific time in Warframe other than 1999 is a fruitless endeavor

[chilly pine]

figured as much

[graceful zodiac]

Outside the Void, Drifter's reality proper is (mostly likely) still going down a timeline where there are no Tenno. But Drifter himself remain in Limbo since he never left

[nova harness]

For generations we slept no call to wake us

[south wigeon]

I'd hardly call generations specific

[prime lantern]

If assume literally all of the pre collapse lore happens in a single year it could be the year 3000

Which I think requires the sentients to be capable of ftl travel through physical space

[south wigeon]

It wouldn't be the case even if we assume that

Ballas says he had lifetimes to plan his defection

[prime lantern]

Ants have pretty short lifes

[chilly pine]

isnt it explicitly stated that the sentients void jumped back to the origin system?

[near rune]

Sentients do appear to be capable of FTL travel. Murex can warp in and out. I'm honestly not sure how to square this.

[south wigeon]

with a solar rail, no?

[prime lantern]

Yea they jumped back

They "walked" to tau

[south wigeon]

Maybe it's that they're only capable of FTL in-system? That really would require a "why" tho

[prime lantern]

Could just be cloaking tech giving the illusion of jumping

[graceful zodiac]

I'd hesitate to say they're FTL without any timeframe that isn't a cut

[near rune]

Yeah, Sentient warp and general FTL comms (everyone, not just Sentients) are just some stuff DE never explained because it's sort of just given

[barren sparrow]

It is possible they slow-walked back as well, since they were capable of spawning Erra and Natah? or were they spawned in Tau and just happened to be useful for the war

[prime lantern]

Ftl comms?

[south wigeon]

If they slow-walked back, they wouldn't be rendered sterile

[near rune]

We see them warp during Operation: Scarlet Spear. I could see it being a light-speed teleport possibly; that's how I explain Corpus teleportation.

[south wigeon]

we know their travel back to the Origin involved FTL via void, solar rail iirc.

[south wigeon]

fun fact: it takes 20 minutes for a message to go from earth to mars, and another 20 back. You're going all over the solar system but everyone is able to reach you instantly

So theres FTL communication, at least

[prime lantern]

Ah those comms

[near rune]

Like, just communicating over voice or video, like the Lotus does for all Tenno. How does she do this from her base (presumably Lua)? This applies to all inter-System comms but is most prominent with Lotus who is certianly not present on the planets we are.

[prime lantern]

Mmm perhaps based on the weave?

[south wigeon]

Her base would be Lua only after it comes out of the void no?

[prime lantern]

The weave isn't a space so to say so information should be able to travel across it at infinite speeds

[near rune]

That's what I think personally

[south wigeon]

Pretty sure I recall it being said sentients can't go into the void without dying, barring the shenanigans Hunhow pulls with Suda

[chilly pine]

wouldve been lua up until what? apostasy prologue?

[barren sparrow]

They can, they just get sterilized if they do.

[near rune]

We don't have a great understanding of the Weave. If it's just "cephalon internet" then it's subject to the same laws of physics and data transfer as anything else.

[south wigeon]

No, Hunhow explicitly says it's forbidden to his kind and he is already sterile when he says that

[prime lantern]

Although if general relativity is being applied in warframe then any object moving at ftl would also being moving at infinite speed according to my physics friend

[south wigeon]

And Ordis during Octavia's Anthem goes "??????????????" when you encounter sentients in the void

[near rune]

The Second Dream is when Lua comes out

[south wigeon]

Sentients can't go into void proper without dying, unless they protect themselves somehow like Hunhow does with Suda in Octavia's Anthem

[near rune]

Sentients are damaged by the Void. The brief exposure of the Solar Rail rendered them sterile and prolonged exposure will kill them.

[prime lantern]

Temple kuva fixs them

[chilly pine]

right, but it was apostasy prologue when ballas released her from that system, and we know thats on lua

[barren sparrow]

ahhh, okay ty

[south wigeon]

all that means is she relocated to Lua after we brought it back out from the void

[nova harness]

Sentients wont die straight away from the void

[south wigeon]

As mentioned, she would otherwise be dead from prolonged void exposure

[prime lantern]

It's not impossible to seal a chamber from the void

And she doesn't need to eat or drink

[south wigeon]

I mean sure, but again, Ordis is still appalled when they show up in Octavia's Anthem in the void

[thick jolt]

They were using suda somehow to shield them tho

[south wigeon]

Sure, he points that out after being surprised first

[nova harness]

Ordis doesn’t know everything

[south wigeon]

And what reason do I have at all to distrust Ordis on this?

[south wigeon]

Also "released"? Seems to me like she can get out whenever she wants judging by Second Dream at least

[chilly pine]

possibly, just how it seemed to me

[arctic sorrel]

What if they're planning another "Stalker replacement" in missions for Jade Shadows

Like, we complete the quest and then it's Jade hunting us after we get marks from Assassination instead of Shadow Stalker / Stalker

[chilly pine]

so an even smaller chance at getting anything that isnt dread?

[zinc timber]

Also has anyone ever noticed the narmer thing around that one submerged orb in orb vallis?

just circling it

[rain otter]

DE says we will get that fight at some point and it will be around narmer as well.

[zinc timber]

So I guess the thing, i forgot what it was called circling it is just pointing in that direction

[nova harness]

3rd Orb

[tough solar]

are these confirmed spoilers or just murr murrs

[rain otter]

the 3rd Orb Stuff was said by DE on a Reddit AMA.

[past berry]

Just finished the Second Dream, did not see that coming at all
this game is crazy, ima get out of this channel before I read a spoiler but wow

[balmy badger]

It's always so satisfying seeing someone get to properly experience the big reveal as intended without getting spoiled

[fading current]

I will always be grateful I wasn’t spoiled on anything before playing. I was just told to give it a shot around May last year and it was the best decision ever. I’ve never experienced a story quite like this one. Second dream, sacrifice, and new war all hit so hard for me.

[magic summit]

Ordis built himself a body without our consent

[magic summit]

That's when I started playing with 0 idea of wtf the story was cause the first time I played the game there was no story at the sty

[smoky schooner]

The drone body for Ordis did seem to come out of nowhere.

[nova harness]

Trashcan Prime

[void bolt]

Can I change my Warframe in the sacrifice quest?

Or can I only use umbra

[nova harness]

Which part of the quest are you on?

[void bolt]

Goin to meet ballas

[nova harness]

You can’t swap out of Umbra after you tame him

Until after the quest at least

[void bolt]

Oh can I at least mod him

[nova harness]

While going to Ballas not sure

[south wigeon]

you can mod him after taming him

[ocean void]

I like how you are explaining Umbra as a pet instead of a frame or human

[dusty helm]

i almost cried in the second dream

[rain otter]

new war might break you.

[dusty helm]

the thing is

i have the things to start

[rain otter]

do it in 1 sitting if you can.

[dusty helm]

how long would it take?

[rain otter]

3-6 hours.

[dusty helm]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-driving-wide-eye-great-teacher-onizuka-anime-gif-15535255

[rain otter]

probably on the low end though.

[dusty helm]

I play at most an hour lol

[rain otter]

like 3 hours 30 minutes or something.

OH

[dusty helm]

time to speedrun XD

[rain otter]

don't speed run

[dusty helm]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-f1-formule-1-gif-15087359750872636720

[rain otter]

there are a lotta inbetween missions times.

[dusty helm]

ah ic

[rain otter]

also a hour might be the time of the cutscenes.

lmao. You might actually cry at the start. also there are like multiple Bosses that you fight.

[dusty helm]

does it have the same gameplay as the war within? as in you’re out of the orbiter 96% of the time

[rain otter]

orbitier?

[dusty helm]

i cried when i tried to tame umbra

[rain otter]

it's not that hard lmao.

[dusty helm]

landing craft? that ship with arsenal, foundry etc

[rain otter]

oh yeah you are only there inbetween missions.

what i meant was you do go back to the ship between missions a few times.

[dusty helm]

aight perfect i’ll try to do as much to keep the flow

[rain otter]

yee.

[golden hull]

TNW will take you ages, there's at least an hour of bloody cutscenes lol

then some of the missions are basically just exposition which can't realistically be sped up.

[covert tree]

Are warframes technically naked?!

[near rune]

Not Umbra. He's got a scarf.

[rain otter]

is a full body morph suit with padding naked?

is like Ashi from Samuria Jack naked with here like just coated in soot body? (no is the answer)

[covert tree]

But there infested look at sacrifice ballas mentioned there skin being steel

[rain otter]

yeah but its like a steel that covers them.

[covert tree]

No there skin is the steel by technicality there naked

That's why non beast frames like umbra wear loincloths

[rain otter]

for us to see any of umbra's like eyes and face his like fleshy bits are under the top layer of steel.

[obtuse gyro]

Theyre technically as naked as the Parshendi from the Stormlight archives, which is to say, not

[covert tree]

=_= I thought the stuff underneath the steel skin was muscle

[rain otter]

why is HIS EYE IN THERE THEN?

@covert tree also is like Keirigan from Star Craft baked then? She has the same like Infested covers her body thing?

[obtuse gyro]

Vestigial organ

Whales have feet

[covert tree]

The infestation is said to leave remnants of what the thing was is still there look at the actual enemy's for example

[ocean void]

WTH is going on here?

[zinc timber]

Well, the infestation just grows over it, thats your answer. and note that umbra has cataracts

[uneven eagle]

👽

[rain otter]

||you can also be green or gray you need to be able to represent a focus tree though||

[balmy storm]

How does that happen what

[obtuse gyro]

Skin dye

[zinc timber]

https://tenor.com/view/shredder-where-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-gif-12509380769961047101

[rain otter]

okay if you max out any focus tree you can "represent" that focus tree. they all have this purchasable.

[zinc timber]

I have two available, naramon and unairu

which first?

[rain otter]

they also have like stuff for that focus tree you can buy.

[rain otter]

Unairu is better.

[zinc timber]

ok

[rain otter]

idk when you are gonna max it out.

Zen is the one most people max out first cuz it helps with energy it's not the best school but it is very good. @zinc timber

[balmy storm]

I meant the black eyes

[obtuse gyro]

drink kuva should be possible with they eye colour settings

[balmy storm]

[tall seal]

Okay so I just unlocked Stalker in Duviri (Very fun btw, worth the grind) but now I'm a bit confused. I've been doing my best to follow Warframe's story but it's really difficult to at points. My PREVIOUS understanding was that the Stalker despised the Tenno, but had no issue with the Drifter due to the Drifter not murking the Orokin. I don't know if this is just a gameplay thing but I picked Stalker for The Circuit and was surprised to find that the pilot was not the Drifter, but rather my Operator

Now don't get me wrong, I love the Drifter, but I've been following my Operator's story for 10+ years at this point in my history with the game, and if I wanna play the Drifter, I can always play Duviri, so typically I run around with the Operator chosen for the normal game rather than the Drifter.

What I'm curious about is, is this simply a gameplay quirk due to us having basically two separate options for the 'protagonist' slot now? I dunno, it's 4 am and I'm tired and rambling but I'm just curious if post-new war shenanigans if our Operator and Drifter are supposed to fill the same role in the story going forward, now that we're (Presumably) caught up on both characters after the Duviri Paradox showed us how Drifter appeared sorta

(Sorry if I'm just overthinking all of this lmao)

[rain otter]

The holdfasts see both the drifter and the operator. They also see us as what we are a "walking void born paradox" also it's "two of us walking together". Also you can change who you play as outside of duviri by going to your tenno and pressing the hand. Also we could see this ad Stalker helping "us" "both of us" also the Operator tenno Is able to be in the undercroft cuz of like Void weirdness.

[tall seal]

Right, all of that I get, but I'd imagine Stalker would still want to kill the Operator, no? Am I misunderstanding?

[rain otter]

He would want to kill us and the Drifter cuz we are the same he literally tries to kill us in the New War.

So idk.

[balmy storm]

Technically the drifter is innocent
But since he’d try to kill the operator and they’re now one in the same he would still be going after Drifter

[obtuse gyro]

Cant get to the op without getting to drifter at this point in the story

[cold jackal]

ballas reminds me of Scar saying "I Killed Mufasa"

[thick jolt]

I just see it as the options in the cave not being the "real thing" but just a construct or reflection

As in the things there are a reflection of many possibilities which is why you can even use stuff you the player don't have

[distant root]

I just finished the chains of harrow quest don't tell me does lotus leave us?

[upbeat walrus]

It's hard to answer because it's user opinion on what happens, in my opinion, no
Also from now on the history likes to get a little weird

[nova harness]

I cannot tell you legally what Lotus will and won’t do

[upbeat walrus]

Lotus do be hiding some goverment secrets on god

[nova harness]

It’s a lore crime

[distant root]

Bro If she does leave I'm gonna cry 😭 not lotus

What quest should I play after the war within to continue the lore

[thick jolt]

Codex has a story filter on the top right

[hasty scarab]

If you really want us to tell you, we will. But it'll spoil a decent chunk of the story you've yet to experience.

[distant root]

Ty I didn't know that

[distant root]

NO I NEED TO EXPERIENCE IT 😭 I'm spending the next 20 hours playing quests

[hasty scarab]

Might wanna avoid this channel then LOL

The climax of the story is around The New War, so enjoy that

[distant root]

Bet

[distant root]

Tysm

[hasty scarab]

np man

[verbal oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[cold jackal]

hyenas were fun in that movie

[verbal oxide]

Was an excellent movie

[static raven]

this is new.. right

[rain otter]

after the new war Fortuna and Cetus do change permentally.

have you gone to Fortuna and then to the Orb vallis?

@static raven

[pseudo willow]

It’s interesting how much sentients can not only adapt but literally evolve and change form like this

Though personally I think the old war sentient designs look way cooler

[static raven]

not yet

I did the new war the same weekend cross play was added, I just never went to the open worlds

[rain otter]

you should.

[static raven]

oo that's cool

[rain otter]

go out into the not ice anymore. of Orb Vallis.

well less ice.

[static raven]

😮

[ocean void]

You can replay the Fortuna quest and Cetus one but you won’t be joining with the old players as they are in the new versions of the map

The shops still works but idk how the bounty work as they are quest related npc

[smoky schooner]

Today the newest threat from the Eidolon is revealed, menacing Ostron marketplaces across the land. The fearsome, dreaded GROSERILYST

[obtuse gyro]

Good pun 10/10

[cold jackal]

finished new war last night, it was alright gameplay wise but story was fun to go through

[final lynx]

So uh isaah died right?

[nova harness]

Yes

[final lynx]

Rip

[covert tree]

A few people I've talked to who didn't pay attention thought isaah was teshin

[nova harness]

Warframe players don’t pay attention then wonder why they don’t understand what happened in the quests

[paper flame]

some guys thought the drifter was the man in the wall lmao

[nova harness]

Some people still think Thrax is Rell or Drifters brother

[supple dagger]

which graphics card you got, those graphics looks amazing

i like the whispers in the wall quest, felt like i was in 2020 and playing cyberpunk 😄

i hope the name of quest is correct, i'm not 100% sure if that was the quest

[nova harness]

He’s in the walls

[stoic orbit]

am confused

[nova harness]

Why is it confusing?

[stoic orbit]

i dont know which to pick\

i mean would my choice affect how i will play?

[nova harness]

Not by much

They are virtually the same

[stoic orbit]

alright

[nova harness]

After the quest you can pick and choose between them

[stoic orbit]

oh okay fair en

[frigid leaf]

Did they add a way to switch back to old visuals of Cetus and Fortuna? My eyes hurt at Fortuna.

[hollow basin]

dumb question: do i actually need to craft paracesis for new war to progress or not

[chilly pine]

nope, and thank god for that

[nova harness]

They changed that plan

[hollow basin]

oh thank god I thought i needed to farm eidolons

[chilly pine]

only think keeping me from crafting it myself is the thousand ducats, would rather build more prime gear and get more prime mods from baro

[static raven]

3060 lol

Max settings, I just tweaked my contrast and brightness, no bloom or motion blur

[static raven]

It's worth the craft though

[static raven]

You can change them at any time

[supple dagger]

i wanted that too fr but couldn't get it last year as prices were still hiked up

[static raven]

I got a second hand one from a friend (they used it for like a month) for $400

[golden hull]

Once you get there Ordis will go "I took the opportunity to build it for you", no worries.

[hard sky]

to iterate on that, you don't get the weapon after the new war, just during the new war. After the new war it won't be in your inventory.

[brittle summit]

Was I the only one who made my drifter before I did the new war? I was so confused when I learnt they were supposed to be the same person when my operator was black and my drifter was Asian 💀

[chilly pine]

i think most of the new players who joined after duviri came out got their drifter before new war, i didnt only because it wasnt out when i did new war

[rain otter]

depending on when you play Duviri and the new war you mIGHT.

[ruby pumice]

Yeah, I'm not personally a fan of Duviri being available right away like that. Takes a lot of the impact away from Second Dream imo.

[void bolt]

Cephalon avengers moment

[magic summit]

I did that. My drifter was a guy and my op was a girl and I literally had no idea what was happening 🤣

I eventually fixed it

[rain otter]

Hey you could keep that if you wanted. For a few reasons but shRug.

[magic summit]

Continuity demanded I fix it

[rain otter]

it could still be continuous

[dapper lion]

Well spoilers are everywhere,newbies can literally look up a guide and get spoiled about operators and well,natah etc

[nova harness]

DE spoil it in their own trailers

[dapper lion]

cant keep secrets as a 11 year old game ngl

[hollow wadi]

Duviri doesn't completely spoil it, becuase we use the hand to control the frames and it doesn't really explain how that all works

[undone jewel]

Got to Rank 3 in the Cavia. Tagfer's name origin is heartbreaking. The fact that Albrecht didn't seem to care about him and Minn and marked them as "Tag For Disposal" despite being the last 2 of their species. I wanna keep progressing in the syndicate to understand more about these characters.

[nocturne quail]

does the nataruk have a riven mod?

[nova harness]

Yes

But it doesn’t need one to be good

[nocturne quail]

ik

[rain otter]

no good weapon or even average one needs a riven

[near rune]

Have you read Albrecht's Grimoire Notes? He goes into detail about why exactly he chose Minn and Tagfer.

[ruby pumice]

Except before Duviri was a thing, and before you played the Second Dream, we think we are just the Warframes themselves and dont know that we are actually someone who controls the warframes

[undone jewel]

Not yet, still collecting them slowly

[near rune]

Yeah it can be slow going. I hunted them like a fiend when Whispers came out. When they're a bounty objective it's a lot easier. As I said, the "Cavia" section provides a bit of his reasoning there.

[amber terrace]

They are so adorable I can’t handle it anymore

[balmy storm]

[near rune]

The phrasing is kinda funny given that Albrecht was an Orokin, but it's not hard to figure out what Loid means.

Though a part of me is worried people will latch onto this like they did with Hunhow calling Alad an Orokin

[rain otter]

lul

[balmy storm]

omg albecht isnt an oarokin reall

[rain otter]

Albretch is not a orokin he's just gay./j

[nova harness]

Gayrokin?

[rain otter]

lul

REAL

[balmy storm]

gay or orokin?

I now crave a gay or european albrecht entrati edition

[nova harness]

What place in Europe? His VA is polish

[balmy storm]

No it’s a song-
Instead of European you’d replace it with Orokin for Albrecht

Look it up it’s fun

[nova harness]

You could probably pay someone to make that a reality

[balmy storm]

Probably

[nova harness]

People do that sort of thing all the time

[rain otter]

"Loid isn't gay he's just British" lul.

[balmy storm]

That song could work for Loid too lol

[nova harness]

Just give it a Loid remix

[balmy badger]

Who doesn't love offending the Orokin?

[nova harness]

Shadow Stalker

[balmy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-tfs-dbz-abridged-you-ruined-it-im-leaving-gif-15630714

[amber terrace]

be stalker
edgiest pushover in the Origin System
kill Tenno for Void knows how long
suddenly you get a weird message from Uranus
investigate
it’s from Hunhow, a major figurehead of the Sentients in The Old War
Guh.png
apparently just get buddy buddy with the biggest bad from The Old War
Whattheactualhell.jpg
get skill issued by a child with space demon powers
Fast forward a couple hundred hours of gameplay
Your boss, Ballas comes back to the system with the sentient armada
he steamrolls the system, starting with the Tenno(who you were mad at in the first place)
still chill with Hunhow in the depths of Uranus’ seas
some goober Hunhow claims is the Tenno decides to topple Ballas’ empire in the better part of a few hours
Hunhow decides to help them
Shockedstalker.gif
you help this goober skill issue the Archons
Ballas gets skill issued by a void born paradox
now you just occasionally cameo in Duviri

[magic summit]

Shocked Pikachu.gif

[rugged marsh]

Warframe

[hollow basin]

homies really made the time cube an actual plot point

did not have that on my new war bingo card

[dusty helm]

can i start the new war without any nechramech mods? (i have mods for the guns but not the nechramech itself)

[rain otter]

Probably fine.

[earnest kraken]

Yeah

You don’t have to upgrade anything. it would be easier but thats it

[dusty helm]

aight thanks!

time to go cry myself a river after watching the story XD

[earnest kraken]

Np i competed new war without any modded necramech and railjack so if you have those modded you should be more than fine

[dapper lion]

Isnt he gay already

I thought loid and Albrecht had already developed a romantic relationship

[balmy storm]

yes

listen to the song

[dapper lion]

Which

[obtuse gyro]

"Gay or European" from the Legally Blonde soundtrack

[vague apex]

I'm a returning Tenno, and I last played through the Awakening > Second Dream quests yeaaars ago, so I'm probably forgetting a lot of details, but i had a few questions about that section of the storyline.

Why did the Lotus hide from us that we're human? Why is it only all the way into the Second Dream where we actually get to return to the Orbiter and realize that we're a person? We're using transference to control our warframes throughout that entire bit right, so that also makes me question another thing. Where was the operator located before we got to the Orbiter, and why again is this part just straight up not relevant until the SD?

[nova harness]

Lotus hid us to protect us where we lived was where you see the Operator exit which is that pod on the moon which was originally in the Void so Sentients couldn’t get to us

[vague apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147697991961018368.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[nova harness]

I’d recommend replaying the Second dream cinematic plus the quest so you’ll re remember the lore

[vague apex]

maybe, if i get the time, but thank you for answering!

[rain otter]

WE WHERE ON THE MOON. The earth's moon was put into the void after the Orokin Fall to protect us from Hunhow tying to kill us.

Lau is the earth's moon.

Also you can now go do missions on Lau and on cetus and I think some Earth missions you can see the moon in the sky now. @vague apex

You can't before the second dream. Which is funny.

[nova harness]

I mean before TSD it was in the Void so

Only Lotus knew it was there

Surprised Baro didn’t crash into it

[rain otter]

Funny.

[rain otter]

I wonder if people before TSD realized the moon wasn't there?

I guess you wouldn't.

[nova harness]

Players or npcs?

[vague apex]

so basically TLDR the moon was our hiding spot until it got too unsafe and we were moved to the orbiter

[rain otter]

Yes.

[nova harness]

It wasn’t too unsafe we decided to get out of our pod and help our Warframe

[rain otter]

Also we took the moon out of the Void.

[rain otter]

WELL the Stalker was literally gonna kill us for Hunhow on the moon.

Also

[nova harness]

Stalkers trash at combat

[rain otter]

I don't think leaving the operator in the moon that's just in real space is a good idea factions literally start invading it right after.

[rain otter]

He's good in lore.

Also he would be fighting a literal unarmored child with no frame if we didn't retrieve ourselves.

[nova harness]

If Lotus saw Rell do you think she would care about his differences?

[rain otter]

Probably not. Also I think Rell was also the one to blind Margulis.

[nova harness]

He was

[rain otter]

But Lotus has been through to like be accepting of more different kinds of people.

[nova harness]

I mean she has a pretty messed up family herself

[rain otter]

After like literally dying as a hand and coming back.

[nova harness]

Plus Lotus was used by a blue man

She’s had a pretty tough life too

[near rune]

They did. New Loka gal mourns that the moon was gone for so long, and Alad V says that everyone thought the Moon was destroyed in the Old War. They all knew about it, but they didn't know it was in the Void.

[rain otter]

oh cool beans.

[rain otter]

oh i MEANT US PEOPLE GRAY. like us Real people playing the game.

[near rune]

Oh yeah haha. Yes so when the Earth tileset was first released, someone asked Steve on stream why the Moon wasn't in the night sky and he said there was a special reason for that… and we didn't find out what he meant for 2 years.

[rain otter]

oh lmao okay cool.

[near rune]

Also Lua was the name of one of Earth's mission nodes at the start of the game. So it seems like they were planning parts of it very long in advance, at least the name of the Moon.

[elder canyon]

||1999’s introduction in the whispers took me so off guard||

[potent vine]

🎵 Yara Jeliira (Yara Jeliira)
Shonatz Jelira
Un Kah Re Uu Kah Re
Deliira Ve
Yara Jeliira (Yara Jeliira)
Shonatz Jelira 🎵

[tropic venture]

Fun fact: The song is by Nine Inch Nails, is called "Into the Void", and released in 1999

[balmy badger]

Warframe's first ever in-game usage of licensed music IIRC.

[ruby pumice]

What does it mean 😮

I realize its the song that plays on the login screen

[sleek hearth]

I want help

[toxic moth]

Mmmm warframe spoilers

[balmy storm]

I’d assume it’s voidtongue but beyond that idk

[agile granite]

[near rune]

Is that, like, a slight against Melica? Why is he talking about Zarium Accolades?

[viscid quarry]

How do you get those?

[real niche]

Maxed out Elite Archimedia

[viscid quarry]

Maxed out as in?

Because I have zero clue how does one max out wait…

Elite Archimedea?

The hell is that

[ruby pumice]

Its when you run deep archimedea with all the modifiers selected, you unlock elite archimedea which unlocks more rewards with more difficulty

[viscid quarry]

Godamn

[rain otter]

Zariman Accolades could have just been given out in normal schools? Cuz Zariman parade seems to be before the actual Zariman.

What does Zariman mean?

[rain otter]

My guess is like Zariman Accolades are like "oh things you in school for doing a good job" this is our reward for doing a good job in the Labs I guess? Like it's a reward above that I guess.

[near rune]

I guess but it kinda sounds like Loid hands you a Nobel Prize and saying "Wow isn't this better than that spelling bee trophy?" Like of course it is

[rain otter]

Lmao

[rigid fern]

well i just leanred something idk ||ordis was human||

[rain otter]

yeah. AI is illegal in orokin society.

[thick jolt]

All cephalons were

[rain otter]

the 1 time they go agianst that rule they make the sentients and that causes the death of the all the orokin.

[sage epoch]

How do i get the hands looking sumdali

[near rune]

Defeat the boss at Effervo, Deimos on Steel Path after collecting 60 Eyes (not just 30 Eyes)

[balmy storm]

For anyone who wants to use the same green the Tennocon 2024 Syandana uses for the screen on the back use column 5 row 12 of the Hallow’s Eve color palette
It’s a match

[nocturne quail]

are the devs uh

working on the requiem mods

also will I get some progress deleted because of it

[thick jolt]

Why would they?

[nocturne quail]

because they're broken rn

[obtuse gyro]

Could you elaborate? What do you mean?

[nocturne quail]

they're supposed to have three uses each

once you get the correct sequence of mods for the lich or sister, it takes a usage

once they're fully used you can't use them anymore

for example

[obtuse gyro]

In that case

Homie shhhhhhhhhh dont let them know

[nova harness]

Good bugs should stay secret

[nocturne quail]

ik

(I definitely have not been taking advantage)

[viscid quarry]

Didn’t see it mind if you tell me what the good stuff is?

[nova harness]

I’ll dm it you so DE don’t sort it quick

[pine quartz]

Is it just me or is elite arcamedia best rewards literally all but 1 modifier of your chosing. Like im looking right now but 37 points to get some vosfer dont seem worth it imo

Cause yolo im bring my arca plasmor

[supple dagger]

Most honest dialogue in the game:

[void bolt]

I jus started new war am I locked out from all content untill I finish it?

[obtuse gyro]

Yep

[void bolt]

Damn

[hallow sable]

#lore-discussion message
Odin in 1999?

[void bolt]

Can u do the teleport thing with orvius like teshin?

[rain otter]

that wasn't a teleport.

it was like a swing but also no.

[nova harness]

When Captain America throws his mighty shield

[void bolt]

Our orvius is poo

Playing new war now

Would be cooler if I could play more as teshin or veso

[gilded valley]

You mean veko

[nova harness]

He blew up though

[void bolt]

Bruh wtf is this new war quest lol

This killing archon killing buisness is hard

[nova harness]

It’s not if you use their weaknesses

[void bolt]

I mean the quest

So I only need to kill 2 archona for the quest to progress?

[rain otter]

yes and no.

[near rune]

After the 2nd one the 3rd is much easier so you don't need to worry about it. Save the hardest for last.

[amber terrace]

Or do what I did and save the hardest archons for the drifter combat and then steamroll the final archon lol

[foggy wyvern]

Are there any tips for the New war bossfight? ||Im having trouble with redirecting the beams at the mirrors, is there any gimmick to it or do i have to keep up trying for an hour||

[near rune]

Who are you fighting? There's two phases to that end fight. In the first phase you redirect the beams with your Operator, in the second phase you try to bait the enemy into hitting the mirrors.

[foggy wyvern]

First phase which iss || Lotus||overall the main issue is that there is wayy too many particles and the beam kind of blocks itself i think

[near rune]

Huh. Yeah I think you just shoot back at her beam and just try to move it over. It helps if you position yourself so when she shoots at you you don't have to move it very much. Stand so the mirror is like right behind her

[foggy wyvern]

Alr alr

thank

[lyric fog]

Hi, I'm almost finishing The New War, I would like to know if the people here choose Lotus, Natah or Margulis and why?

[foggy wyvern]

I chose lotus!!
I like the design and to me it just felt like the most sense [i am a simple man]

[lyric fog]

Nice

[near rune]

I chose Lotus as well. It's good to note that, while you can change the appearance (even to a different configuration like using Margulis' face or whatever) using plat, you cannot change the name afterwards

Don't let appearance dictate your choice because it can be changed

[velvet wing]

We can't change the colours of our helminth flowers can we?

[rain otter]

Not after you feed the frame to the wall but before you put it in the helmith wall whatever it's colors are are what the flowers colors are gonna be. I made all mine the base frame colors.

[velvet wing]

Yeah I meant post subsume

I really want to make a wall of Megan flowers but I can't change the colours and that's butt

[rain otter]

Fair.

[velvet wing]

Petition to let us change the colours by re-subsuming frames

[rain otter]

There's gotta be a better way.

[velvet wing]

I mean knowing that the colours of your frames impact the aesthetic of your helminth room before hand but like that as a warning is such a weird warning

[drowsy comet]

it does what now???

[rain otter]

Have you gotten to rank 3 in Diemos?

[drowsy comet]

yah

I have helminth

I've subsumed ash

but the room didn't change colors

[rain otter]

Not the room colors. You get a flower.

Each frame gets you a tiny flower by the Helminth wall. The color of the flower is based on what the frame had when you subsumed them. @drowsy comet

LET ME GET A PICTURE.

@drowsy comet i have subsumed every frame with their base colors and i have a GARDEN of flowers.

[balmy storm]

Tbh I’d just like the ability to see which flower came from which frame-

[dusty helm]

i can't use the necraweb ability on voidrig for some reason

[dusty helm]

I went lotus because… well storywise you do start with lotus, natah was the persona she was trying to get away from. Margulis….. i don’t find any reason to keep her as margulis

[nova harness]

To respect the original space moms memory was the reasoning they gave

[dusty helm]

on an emotional perspective, margulis imo had nothing to offer lol.. lotus was with us the whole time, it’s time she stayed as well.. same reason i went with operator as well, better to return lotus a favour for saving op

[covert tree]

I picked margulis but I regret it slightly but its just the name

[balmy storm]

Having her be margulis doesn’t really make sense to me, Lotus was never really her so why live that lie?
With Natah it was her original identity
And “Lotus” is more of an original identity by this point

[nova harness]

It’s not her being Margulis it’s to honour her memory

[balmy storm]

Honoring her memory by having the mimic that took her place fully identify as her
Whether or not she is being her she’s taken her name and form, idk if she also acts differently but if she does that’s her identity too

[obtuse gyro]

I mean are we really going to take away "dream not of who you are but who you want to be" from the person who said it?

She is all 3 at once, she just needs 1 to lead

[balmy storm]

You right
She was literally programmed to mimic her so it makes sense some remnant of her remains
Apparently a large enough one

[obtuse gyro]

literally programmed to mimic her
Understatement right there. She wasnt just mimicking her in the casual sense

she got that ranked competitive sense

[nova harness]

Modeled on the Tenno’s beloved Archimedean Margulis to honour her memory and give them comfort

That’s not becoming her per se

[balmy storm]

I know it wasn’t in the casual sense, I know what she did

[obtuse gyro]

Ballas in his flowerly language, alludes to Marge living on in the head of natah, so like, shes got the data to be margulis

[balmy storm]

So she is her, or everything that was known of her

[nova harness]

She is everything that was known of Margulis

The Lotus outfit is also pretty much Margulis with a helmet

Same hair and everything

[balmy storm]

True, the new lotus outfit is more original to her at least

[nova harness]

Imagine Lotus changes her appearance based on a Tenno’s needs

[balmy storm]

Is it based on our needs?
I always saw it as her picking an identity that determines how she’ll act in events to come

[nova harness]

It isn’t necessarily

But her doing something like that I wouldn’t put past her

Do you think how we select the skin is her choosing to look different?

[balmy storm]

She’s the one that chooses in-universe
Her looking different is her having her form match her chosen identity to lead

[nova harness]

Rebecca is basically a Sentient mimic irl we can’t go one stream without a different hair style

[balmy storm]

You’re so right lol

[elder canyon]

Is Teshin permanently dead after new war

[rain otter]

Have you played Duviri?

[elder canyon]

I guess he isnt

[rain otter]

You didn't answer my question.

[elder canyon]

Yeah

[rain otter]

Yeah as in you have played duviri?

[elder canyon]

Yes

I did it before new war so I might be a bit confused

[rain otter]

Okay Teshin fell into Duviri. He even shows you his Veil. But yeah he's just there now.

[elder canyon]

Oh I see

Thanks for the clarification

[rain otter]

Also The Drifter getting the lotus hand is luke how lotus is a flower during the new war.

[dusty kindle]

its also explained in the Lost Island of Duviri fragments. according to the narrator, Acrithis, he fell from the sky on the region call Hermit's Landing (which is an actual place on the map) ad was dragged out and healed by Mithila

[plucky pagoda]

choosing margulis was the worst mistake I have made so far lol

really should have picked Lotus

can I change my decision

[pastel elm]

just umbra being badass like usual

[rain otter]

If you want to talk about his lore we can talk about it in lore chat.

[pastel elm]

Oh I wasn't sure because new players might be in here

[obtuse gyro]

Dont worry new players aint even know theres lore

[dusty helm]

he has lore???

🤩

[rain otter]

Umbra? yeah he literally has a whole quest?

[dusty helm]

am aware of that but i didn’t know there’s more to what de has given

[prime lantern]

Not really no

[amber terrace]

A curious thought I had while procrastinating my math homework, what would have Albrecht thought of the music of 1999? Surely it must be wildly different compared to Orokin era music, especially music meant to be listened to by Orokin in Orokin events

[prime lantern]

Given albretchs nature I wouldn't be surprised if he listened to 1999 music

[amber terrace]

I imagine it would either be like being raised on classical your entire life in the rich part of the neighborhood and then taking a detour to a poor part of the neighborhood and then hearing rock for the first time, or being raised on 2024 music your entire life and then someone pulled out a mixtape of commoner music from a stupid amount of time ago

[prime lantern]

Him and his gay boytoy husband twink boyfriend would anger the orokin using books and "ancient" stuff

Wouldn't surprise me if they listened to old old music

[rain otter]

Mediocre is saying they are 2 gay old men listening to show tunes.

[prime lantern]

Something like that

[dapper lion]

Wait also,didnt the guy in duviri at last mimicked tenshin and tried assaulting us,did tenshin die on his hand?

[dusty kindle]

The dax?

I know teshin does get hurt. Perhaps it was one of the Dax, ordered by Thrax to do it.

Also I think he does die, but when Drifter resets the Spiral, he turns back time and reverts his death

[vestal ice]

Gonna put this here instead of game play or lore because Kuva Liches are a story spoiler

(Reposting from reddit because I really need help)

Hi, I am a MR11 player, I'm used to using computer, but I'm using switch as I am getting upgrades done, as the title says I am looking for solutions to my issue, I was ill prepares and that's my bad. I have the pattern for requiem, but I can't get him down before going down
My kuva lich is currently lv 4, and at Sedna
His weaknesses are magnetic and blast
He's resistant to impact
And he's immune to slash
He's welding a kuva brakk, with 25% electrical

My playstyle is I am comfortable with melee, while ranged combat is a weakness for me, I would prefer to close any gap possible and resist or even prevent any damage he tries to output. I often forget to use my skills, but if skills are needed I can remember.

I'm looking for any warframes, weapons, mods, companions, anything that may help me, also drop sources would be nice! Thank you!

[coral grotto]

Can someone replace Ballas holding the archon shard with Cerveza Cristal

[woeful jacinth]

You might as well forget about meleeing a lich. They will snap you in half.
Mod your weapons for corrosive damage because that damage type not only deals 75% bonus damage to their armor, it also ignores most of it.
A shotgun is preferable for their high damage

[vestal ice]

Yeah I just killed it

Really only took the tonkor

[woeful jacinth]

Nvm then

[vestal ice]

Tonkor with damage + crit + multishot is terrible unless you are trying to one shot one thing

[near rune]

Weird, I usually use the Paracesis for my liches and it gets the job done

[raven wharf]

Perfect place for her.

Also, this the first time we've seen Nora's face?

wait, NVM saw this on the wiki

[nova harness]

You see her face every time you open the Nightwave console

You just don’t see all of it

But that’s from the Nihil fight

[raven wharf]

Ah that makes sense, I hadn't done that...

[raven wharf]

That's what I was asking. Seeing we only saw her lips

[amber terrace]

A question about the nature of The Murmur: are they a result of Conceptual Embodiment?

[nova harness]

No

[glossy sedge]

any ideas why wally still visits you with creator mode on?

[nova harness]

Because creator mode doesn’t stop all spoilers

[glossy sedge]

rip

[prime lantern]

Likely

[rain otter]

No? Well yes and no? They are basically things that exist in Mitw's part of the Void all being part of him. The like werid gray stone place in the labs is specifically Mitw part of the Void and the murmur are parts of home made to attack us like how Thrax has all the Dax and the thrax themselves to attack us. NOW if we wanna say like the mitw is was made/fueled by Albretch's like fear of the Void then we could say that bit I dislike that.

[viscid quarry]

Until it grabs you and commits a slam dunk that will ultimately result in a marriage between you and the floor

[viscid quarry]

I still hold onto the idea of experimentation on Wally’s side but the idea that Wally made them up via conceptual embodiment in search of well… something (presumably the whole be unique goal) is interesting

[nova harness]

Man in the floor?

[viscid quarry]

once he gets slamdunked by a lich yes

[knotty panther]

I wonder if Nora night will be a proto frame user

[obtuse gyro]

dont need to wonder so much

1. Nora isnt likely to be a tenno, thus cannot transfer the way we do into warframes (still can but man that would suck for her)
2. Nora isnt in 1999, so she's definitely not a proto-frame

[amber terrace]

A funny I just realized. Necraloid is in three places on the same social hub tile. There’s Otak in the Necralisk selling rocks, there’s Necraloid in the back rooms of the Necralisk selling necramech goodies, then Necraloid is also in the Sanctum Anatomica doing the Deep Archimedea. The Sanctum is connected to the Necralisk, meaning that if you so wanted, you could land down in the Necralisk, walk to the Necraloid room, then walk down the staircase to the Sanctum

I just thought that it’s funny that one construct can be in three places at once. I suspect Void tomfoolery is at work here lol

[nova harness]

No he’s just fast

[balmy storm]

he’s really fast unless you’re in a mission

[obtuse gyro]

Have you done iso vaults? Homie is fast

[prime lantern]

Me and 2 friends observed all 3 positions at once

Loid can clone himself

[amber terrace]

Also, I was doing Deep Archimedea last night and in that new tile with the massive tree in the middle, there’s a Paragrimm on the tree and that tells me that the tree might have come from Duviri or Albrecht took a bird from Duviri just to stunt. The second option is plausible given that in the Netracells, the head of a Duviri citizen can be seen

[floral matrix]

she probs wont appear, but maybe someone liker her, maybe an ancestor or smth

[balmy storm]

That’s not a head that’s a mask
Specifically the same one the vagabond wears

The vagabond being some Duviri citizen connected to Wally as they have black eyes, laugh at us and disappear mysteriously

[coral grotto]

Incorrect he’s just moving so fast you can’t notice him moving

[balmy storm]

How will DE explain this gameplay discrepancy??

[nova harness]

Speedsters can run so fast your perception of them changes

[balmy storm]

Tbh I could see there being multiple necraloids, he’s a construct of some nature so it’s not impossible

[amber terrace]

Ah, does my point of Albrecht taking souvenirs from Duviri still stand?

[balmy storm]

Yes, the Vagabond is from duviri
I believe some other citizens also wear the mask but I like pointing out the significance of the vagabond

[nova harness]

They all wear the mask

The difference is the eyes

[near rune]

They don't all wear THAT mask though. There are different masks.

[balmy storm]

^

If it was all the same mask, different story
But Albrecht bringing back the same kind of mask the local Wally rep wears?
👀

[rain otter]

i think the vagabond looks like normal citizens just he is werid and alone and disappears.

[nova harness]

He’s not the only person in Duviri that disappears

[near rune]

He has black eyes and is missing a finger

[rain otter]

yeah I KNOW that.

it's early good morning.

[nova harness]

And has a familiar laugh

[floral matrix]

i do wonder

[balmy storm]

He’s always the same one with black eyes

[floral matrix]

now that wally is breaking into the origin system in albrechts labs, maybe we could have more stuff in duviri to fight against him?

[balmy storm]

I never thought to look at his hand, gotta do that next time I spot him

[digital hearth]

Why did I get pinged about you talking about speedsters?

[obtuse gyro]

even "someone like her, maybe an ancestor" would be unlikely to appear in 1999 as part of the quest

[balmy storm]

I didn’t even mention speedsters 😭

[nova harness]

Discord Spaghetti code

[digital hearth]

Ah I see.