spoiler-chat

[supple dagger]

sadge

[prime lantern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sentient slim Jim who sees all of time

Thats about all we know

[nova harness]

I can see all of time because I hacked the Windows 1999

[craggy solstice]

Probably sanctuary onslaught on dev build.

[nova harness]

It is exactly that

[amber terrace]

I know the recap terminal by Loid in the Sanctum Anatomica is kinda meant to be a meta way of recapping returning players for Whispers, is there an in universe way that Albrecht’s network knew of our doings in the Warframe narrative?

[rain otter]

Idk if its Albretch keeping track. It might be like Robo Loid.

Like Robot Loid is connected to the computer somehow.

[amber terrace]

Ah, how would the Necraloid have access clearance to Albrecht’s Pom-2 system if it’s so deeply hidden in the Necraloid’s precepts that it took a literal Void-Tulpa to remind him that the Labs exist?

[rain otter]

Also think the computer confirms some stuff we "knew" but to see it in writing is nice. Also it talks about Hivemind(s) I still think Infested update soon.

[rain otter]

It didn't remind him that the labs Exist just to start the sequence.

Also Albretch did make Loid(Robo) I wouldn't be surprised if he made him connected to the Database.

[near rune]

It's not the Necraloid because it talks about him. I think it's just the computer, watching and observing. It's not a sapient character like the Cavia or Loid, it's just a very intelligent computer. Possibly a cephalon but not as far as we know.

Basically the computer's job was to watch and wait for the signal to activate the Kalymos Sequence

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[rain otter]

How would it see things like what it does though?

[near rune]

My speculation: a bunch of Void-sensors, cameras, and stuff stationed throughout the solar system? Deimos has been in the Void but that doesn't mean they're blind. Parvos Granum was able to watch events from his little Void bubble. Maybe Necraloid and the Entrati were watching, and the computer had access to their data. The computer is definitely linked to Necraloid even though he didn't know it at first.

[rain otter]

Fair. Also Diemos does probably come out of the Void "early" in our like in game timeline.

[near rune]

The degree of resolution on the Tenno's activities is very impressive. I'm leaning towards "Necraloid was watching and computer wrote it down".

[near rune]

That's true. They've reworked the quest line to give it a canon order of events. Although the computer isn't accessible until the very end of the quest line. I wish they'd put it "upstairs" so to speak, so newer players can access it and be like "ohhh that's what was going on in that quest". The way it's written is clearly to release information a little bit at a time as you do the quests, but it's not implemented that way: you only get all the information right at the end of the quest line.

[nova harness]

Didn’t the main quests always have a canon order?

[rain otter]

Diemos is werid

Cuz you don't have to do the Quest till after the new war

But it in cannon exists in the system before then.

[rain otter]

They do have it on the Website.

The warframe website*

[near rune]

Yes and no. Story quests used to have random requirements, then DE added Junctions and tried to put the story quests in the Junctions, which imposes a canon order of events. Since then DE have been adding and removing quests from the main storyline, changing the order of them, etc. Saya's Vigil and Heart of Deimos used to be optional, now they're not.

[near rune]

Yeah but new players aren't gonna read it or even know it's there, and if they do it'll spoil all the quests haha

[rain otter]

True but i did just wanna point it out lmao.

[nova harness]

I want a PC in Orbiter

[rain otter]

1999 PC

[nova harness]

Imagine the PC was added multiple places on Deimos but certain logs were locked saying you must complete the quest to unlock this log

Unlocking slowly

[near rune]

That's what I thought it would be and how it should be

How exciting would that be as a new player

[viscid quarry]

If only a pc acidentally got sent to say Cetus but you don’t have clearance till you complete the quests associated with it

[pulsar plover]

It frustrates me Teshin hates on Lotus so much when she was basically forced into half the stuff he hates her for.

[amber terrace]

So far as I understand, there’s a very select group of people that know Lotus’ entire story. Even fewer still know her dual nature

Teshin probably has only bits and pieces of Lotus’ story

[drowsy finch]

I wonder what Dante’s lore is gonna be

[buoyant gyro]

Whats after the whispers in the wall

Is there gonna be more like main story quest

[rain otter]

i mean we are having a whispers in the walls expansion this month. If you mean more of the "VOID" arch warframe 1999 is this year.

i assume we will get other updates this year as well lmao.

[buoyant gyro]

O

Bet

[hardy wadi]

He's the leverian guy, so I guess it'll have something to do with that

[drowsy finch]

Would be cool either way

[brisk beacon]

Can't wait to begin this

[covert tree]

Have fun hope you've prepared your railjack

[gray flame]

What’s that thing called that drifter has on his arm? And can you colour it?

[nova harness]

Is it a clothing item or are you in Duviri?

[gray flame]

Duviri

[warm anvil]

i replayed it a week later because i loved it sm, i really hope you enjoy :)

[warm anvil]

the thing that attached to their hand at the beginning?

i think you can color it under "energy-color" also you'll find out what it is pretty late into the story

[nova harness]

This?

[gray flame]

Yes

[warm anvil]

i don't want to give it away bc it's a massive spoiler

[nova harness]

That’s Lotus hand on Drifters arm

[gray flame]

Can you change the colours on it? I can’t figure out where to change them lol

[river kayak]

anybody els not able to start netracell missions?

[nova harness]

No it’s not colourable

[gray flame]

Ahh I see, thanks for the help though!

[nova harness]

Wdym?

[river kayak]

terminal doesn't give a promt

[near rune]

You collected all 4 keyglyphs and the terminal won't let you hack to open the door?

[river kayak]

ye

[brisk beacon]

played it in one sitting and I cried like twice

[rugged marsh]

Dang.

And yeah, It's a rollercoaster.

[worthy walrus]

Is it supposed to be like this?

[obtuse gyro]

nope

[umbral wyvern]

whats the name of the one quest about lotus thats only a single cutscene?
im too lazy to log on rn

meh whatever im going to bed

[amber terrace]

Apostasy Prologue?

[sacred flint]

What is even going on here? There is the fallen down warframe on the screen, a fetus positioning floating operator, and the war being broken dialog is playing. How did you get here

Or was the frame on the point of breaking the war

[worthy walrus]

Idk

I thought it was normal, I thought it was growing out of me lol

[next zealot]

Yeah that's definitely not normal

[near rune]

The warframe is wielding the Operator as a weapon, part of how that mission is coded in TSD I'd guess. It leads to very weird bugs sometimes, as you can see. So that's why the Operator is sort of stapled to the warframe's hand, which is trying to pull the War sword out in the cutscene.

[nova harness]

What did Stalker stabbing the Warframe even accomplish if it wouldn’t have died anyway?

[near rune]

Maybe he was just taking out his anger on it. Or maybe old habits die hard. He's been hunting down warframes for years, why not stab one when you get the chance.

[nova harness]

Hey Gray is it true Hunhow was found by Tyl Regor?

[near rune]

Yes. Tyl Regor was excavating a tomb under Uranus where Hunhow was (this takes place in the Natah quest). It's not necessarily clear if Regor woke Hunhow up; I think there's a solid case to be made that the Arcane Machine from The New Strange woke him up. But Regor was the one who opened his tomb, which probably led to him being able to send out his Sentient fragments or make contact with the fragments already out there – ie, Regor allowed him to act in TSD and later.

[nova harness]

So Regor is the reason we were able to do the quests?

[rain otter]

that happens during Natah?

[nova harness]

Does it?

[rain otter]

I checked it does.

[nova harness]

It’s been 3 years since I did Natah so I couldn’t remember

[near rune]

From The Second Dream onward, I guess

[prime lantern]

Rell is dead

[nova harness]

Yes

[rugged marsh]

Yeah, you kill him.

"You monster."

[prime lantern]

Some guy deleted his message

Asked if rell was going to betray us

[rain otter]

he can't and wouldn't.

[viscid quarry]

Had the guy played the chains of harrow yet?

[nova harness]

How do you even betray a person when you are just a dead body inside a suit chained up?

[muted iris]

magic

[viscid quarry]

Uhhhhhhh idk get a halo announcer mod to say betrayal?

[vast dune]

guys question about the new war ||can i do the quest with the basic amp? i didnt do the 777 or the others, its possible or its only pain?||

[slow blade]

I did it, I practically rushed through the main story line and the basic amp was never a problem

[fading flame]

Yes, it's easily completable with an unmodded railjack necramech and a mote amp

Anybody struggling would probably struggle with an actual amp or modded gear as well

Bc they're ignoring fight mechanics

[safe knot]

the only part I really struggled on was the Fortuna bit

I somehow Managed to cheese part of it? like there was supposed to be a narmer guy somewhere but they just weren't there lol

[slender rune]

I'm gonna chat here so cetus is destroyed

Where is my tenno

[obtuse gyro]

New war? play it further

[nova harness]

Cetus is not destroyed

[slender rune]

How do I defeat a jackal in the new war

[nova harness]

Blow up the legs by killing your Moas

[slender rune]

Yeah I realize that

Now I'm playing as teshin

[slender rune]

It sent me to the login

I can't press the button

What do I do

I'm stuck

[nocturne quail]

idk if this is a spoiler chat thing

whats the best way to level up solaris united for profit taker

[nocturne quail]

try pressing A

[slender rune]

I did but I restarted my game which worked

And I'm back

As my drifter

[woven wedge]

I struggled against the Archons, I just sucked against Boreal but then switched to Nira and Amar, much much easier.

[slender rune]

So we are working with hunhow

[nova harness]

The enemy of my enemy is a friend

[slender rune]

Hunhow is crying

I got a bow

[nova harness]

It’s his daughter so it’s understandable

[slender rune]

I finally defeated the bird

I thought it would be the easiest

[nova harness]

It is

[slender rune]

But its harder then the wolf

[nova harness]

They are all easy

[slender rune]

It keeped regenerating its health

[nova harness]

All you had to do was stop him doing that

[slender rune]

How if the bird had a force field

[nova harness]

Smoke screen through the bubble shoot with bow

[slender rune]

Nooooo ordis

So im on the ship

The durvi pardox

[nova harness]

The first few acts of Duviri are set before TNW

[rain otter]

During

Well

[slender rune]

What name should I chose for the her natah, lotus or Margulis

[rain otter]

It also changes her skin you get. (You can fully costumize her colors and get other skins)

So whatever you want to.

[nova harness]

Which name do you think sounds best?

Skin doesn’t matter that can be changed later

[prime field]

it changes her personality a bit too

[slender rune]

I'm guessing the lotus is her basic personality

[obtuse gyro]

Nope

She just has 3

[warm anvil]

it changes her voicelines?

[woven wedge]

Lotus gives you a rad skin, in terms of aesthetics, DO NOT choose Natah, she ugly.

Margulis is fair.

[woven wedge]

I don't think so.

[real niche]

afaik that's based on skin and not name, haven't seen anyone really test it though

[cyan crest]

if we could replay angels we could test it

[slender rune]

I'm starting to play angels rn

So the ship our tenno originality from has returned

[nova harness]

Yes

Zariman Ten-0

Tenno

Get it?

[slender rune]

Bruh

But now a loading screen happened

This ship is huge

[nova harness]

You have actually already been to the ship

[slender rune]

I completed the quest

[nova harness]

Now do Veilbreaker

[slender rune]

I want to get voruna first

[woven wedge]

May you be helped

[formal grove]

today I learned this art of ||Dominus Thrax without his armor|| exists

[wild copper]

[copper lance]

?! intrinsics give 60k mastery points

[hearty marlin]

Same with railjack Intrinsics

[nova harness]

75k from railjack too

[copper lance]

good to know <3

[amber terrace]

If you want a neat way to get 450 Duviri intrinsics and also learn the story of what’s happened in Duviri, you can hunt for the codex fragments. I recommend doing this in Joy because all the islands that have codex fragments spawn during Joy

You get five points per doodad collected and there’s a total of ninety doodads to collect, making for four hundred fifty points

I find it a good way to top off any trees that you want to finish but don’t want to grind Duviri activities

[formal grove]

"How dare he keep trying to leave! What's out there that's so fascinating? Maybe I should just go there myself..."

I wish we actually got a follow-up on what Dominus Thrax said about going to the Origin System

[rain otter]

Well he kinda can't. Also he is against the mitw.

[formal grove]

I know he can't, but I do wish we actually got to see him try to carry out what he said

it would have been interesting to see Dominus realize that he's the real prisoner when he sees that Drifter can leave but he can't

[worn hazel]

How do I make a vid a spoiler on iOS?

[prime field]

I assume put the spoiler tags || around the link

[wicked iron]

To be fair, I believe he only said that in the trailer and not actually in the Duviri Paradox itself.

[nova harness]

Quite a lot of trailer stuff wasn’t in the actual quest tbh

[vast dune]

i have started the new war quest, there a way to change the operator outfit? i forgot to remove the revenant mask

[obtuse gyro]

I say dont worry too much about it for now

[formal grove]

not at the time being

[vast dune]

rn im the ||railjack part where you need t ogo inside the mothership||

[vast dune]

well is a ugly mask and i forgot to remove it after the revenant quest

[obtuse gyro]

If youre already outside of the orbitor, theres very little to no option for you to do anything about that, but even then, very soon you will not have to worry about it

[vast dune]

ok i get what you mean it but i got a bug i think ||i cant login i press X like 2000 times but i cant login, edit resolved by close and reopening the game||

[prime tartan]

Has there been any news on Dante's release yet? I'm dying to get the Wizardframe

[undone lodge]

Still no exact date, just that it should be some time this month

[nova harness]

Anytime between now and 31st of March

[rain otter]

This month.

:3

[prime tartan]

No way, really?

[rain otter]

We've been knowing this.

[vast dune]

i have a question about the new war if someone can answer that it will be so grateful

||i have some outfit brought for the operator from the war within, and im afraid that if i choose drifter (what i want to choose) can equip those outfits with the drifter or they are basically lost?||

[nova harness]

Drifter can’t equip most Operator outfits but he can equip some you’ll be able to swap between Drifter and Operator after TNW anyway so it’s no big deal

[rain otter]

well now they equip more.

[nova harness]

There’s still way more Operator ones than Drifter

[fading turret]

My brain isn't working right lmao

[nova harness]

I wanna hear it

[fading turret]

OK so

[vast dune]

i completed the quest and is a wonderful quest like amazing, plus i did the 21 mastery

[fading turret]

Drifter and Operator can switch out at any time, right?

[nova harness]

Yes

[fading turret]

What if instead of taking a Warframe you tag-team switch between Drifter and Operator in missions.

Drifter would obviously need a new kit and weapons.

And Operator would be as normal.

Or even in Duviri, you switch between Duviri Drifter and can transference / shift into Origin Operator for a period of time with Amp and Void powers instead of your Warframe.

[nova harness]

Why would Drifter need a new kit?

He has same powers?

[fading turret]

Drifter in OS is just tall Operator.

And Duviri Drifter has very small numbers that wouldn't be suitable for Origin System missions.

Like imagine if we could play New War Drifter, complete with the Nataruk and the New War Sirocco and the Rumblejack

And switch to Operator

[nova harness]

This would actually be a cool mechanic vs Kuva Guardians Operator does the sling and Drifter does the cutting

[fading turret]

Or even Drifter just being able to use the arsenal, or just a primary weapon alingside Sirocco so you could take two different Primaries.

Operator would obviously need something to keep them in line (though imo Operator having a much shorter heavy fall duration makes them preferable anyway)

[nova harness]

The one problem I find with this is both can control Warframes

[fading turret]

Have you noticed that Drifter suffers a heavy impact in Void Mode, but the Operator does not?

[nova harness]

Does he?

[fading turret]

Yes. If you don't Sling, that is.

You can drop from any height as Operator and so long as you are in void mode you won't have a heavy impact.

But the Drifter gets a heavy impact no matter what

It makes sense since he uses Warframe animations but it is quite the deal breaker for me, and him not saying the same voice lines every five minutes isn't enough to compensate

[nova harness]

So if I sling as Drifter I won’t get heavy impact or will?

[fading turret]

When I was doing New War I took Umbra for the last mission and we climbed the Unum together, wiping out Narmer along the way. Sadly I had Mote Amp because it defaulted to that instead of my 122 amp I had equipped before New War, but it still worked and it was fun

If you Sling you won't but it depends on your downward velocity as well.

[fading turret]

Imagine that, but my Drifter had the Nataruk as well.

[nova harness]

I actually tested it even if you do a soft fall as Drifter it’s still louder than Operator as Operator falling is silent Drifter makes a little sound

[fading turret]

Yeah, but the Operator recovers faster from heavy landings is the point

Like why use the Drifter where I can be locked in place for 1 second in a game where you need to keep moving, when the Operator doesn't have that issue.

[rain otter]

That's not true

And a bug if it is.

[fading turret]

Operator doesn't get heavy landings in void mode and drifter does.

Or if they do, then I don't notice it because the animation (bending knees on landing) is less noticeable than nearly faceplanting.

[paper inlet]

Idk if this belongs here cuz duviri, but i found out last night after 3 1/2 hours that 155 is the max decrees you can get

[nova harness]

How powerful is that?

[sacred flint]

Also the drifter changes the skin of your amp automatically to the sirocco.

Like I just made a fresh amp and wanted to see what it looks like and then I get a sirocco

[sacred flint]

How fast were you?

[viscid quarry]

The power of breaking one’s knees?

[river kayak]

🙂

guess i'll be doing lich this week

[viscid quarry]

Rip lich

[river kayak]

question how do i make archon mods

[near rune]

You don't make them, you buy them from Chipper in the Drifter's Camp. If you don't see them in his shop it means you're not at high enough level with the Garrison.

If you have no idea what I'm saying, then you need to do the Veilbreaker quest

[river kayak]

i've done all quest but still not clue

been out the looop and just did quests without thinking

[near rune]

So you see Kahl in the Drifter camp?

[river kayak]

chipper isn't there yet

ugh i have to farm alot

[near rune]

Talk to Kahl, do the mission

[river kayak]

letsa go

[near rune]

Yeah if you don't see Chipper then the Archon mods are like 5 weeks away from you, sorry to say

[river kayak]

💀

[near rune]

Oh never mind only 3 weeks

You can level up Kahl's Garrison once per week by doing the Kahl mission. Archon mods are available at rank 3.

It still does kinda feel bad just sitting around tho

[river kayak]

i'll see if i want to do it or not some other day

[viscid quarry]

Atleast you will be rich when it comes to stock when you finally reach r3 (as for the set mods regarding archons like the amar, boreal and nira set of mods: those can be acquired from narmer bounties)

[hybrid leaf]

Kung fu panda 4 po needs to choose a new dragon warrior and he chose the thief that set him up with the chameleon villain end of movie

[viscid quarry]

… what

[wild copper]

homie is not happy with the new kung fu panda

very relevant to warframe lore

[fading current]

Randomly spoiling Kung Fu Panda in the warframe spoiler chat???😂

[ocean void]

we can make Kung Fu Panda with Grendel and some fist melee

https://tenor.com/view/panda-laser-kung-fu-gif-4845228

what’s a good Panda gun?

[warm anvil]

hnmm i'll have to think about that

[balmy storm]

The pandero?

[tropic venture]

Zarr, make it green like bamboo

[viscid quarry]

Obviously the bramma or zakti

[gilded valley]

@steady heath during one of the short quests, forgot which, but that's how you get the BP for paracesis

[steady heath]

erra or prelude to war

[gilded valley]

Think Chimera prologue quest

[steady heath]

oh yea those were the 3

[gilded valley]

I felt kinda unsettled watching his original legs dangling

In the New War quest, his other dangling (yet looks like some sort of small tree root) was replaced with a golden leg

[steady heath]

in chimera prologue he has sentient legs but also his original ones just kinda there

[gilded valley]

Yea, kinda felt unsettled

[gilded valley]

Least they should've chop them off

[steady heath]

yeah

4 legs is crazy

[gilded valley]

And his pelvic region is entirely gone

[steady heath]

yeah wtf is this

[gilded valley]

Then again, this kind of multilation to a degree isn't the first and last we see

[steady heath]

<@&778745217037238293>

[viscid quarry]

There we go

[steady heath]

PLEASE

[gilded valley]

Damn it, we're just talking and that showed up

[viscid quarry]

<@&778745217037238293>

[steady heath]

see em every day here, really annoying

[kindred briar]

well that's one way to start looking at chat

afternoon everyone

[viscid quarry]

Thanks to whoever removed it

[steady heath]

No problem

lmao i'm kidding i'm useless

[viscid quarry]

I meant the mods but you too

You did the first ping

[gilded valley]

Anyway, that's not the first mutilated scene we see, think it happened to our drifter in Duviri paradox quest

[agile hazel]

I need some assistance. I accidentally made my PC my primary account and want to switch my Xbox to my primary account but it’s not allowing me to make that change.

[steady heath]

@agile hazel

[gilded valley]

Try contacting customer support maybe

[steady heath]

try #1197322290166251680 or #warframe-general or #support-and-bugs

[gilded valley]

Anyhow, thanks to the lotus' severed hand, it split open our drifter's hand

[steady heath]

Wait that was lotus' hand?

[viscid quarry]

Yeah

[gilded valley]

Yea, you didn't play New war quest?

[viscid quarry]

The split open hand isn’t the lotus but ours

[steady heath]

I forgor

[gilded valley]

Makes me feel squeamish inside

[viscid quarry]

I think it’s just a cool detail but fair

[gilded valley]

Ngl, I agree, but still

Imagine some hand latching on to your arm only to connect to you by splitting open your hand

Did imagine it being excruciatingly painful

[viscid quarry]

Considering how he didn’t just roll up on the floor in agony I think it’s painless

Physically that is I doubt mentally it wasn’t painful

[gilded valley]

Or there's any blood spilt

[gilded valley]

Idk, it looked pretty painful

Then again, I assume that the void nulled their senses to a degree

[viscid quarry]

Fair but it looks less like agony then shock

[gilded valley]

I'll just assume our drifters are secretly terminators in disguise 👀

[steady heath]

also I got a guiding hand weapon in duviri

idk if it was guiding actually, i know it was a hand

[gilded valley]

It's the lotus' severed hand now attached onto your own

Shoots 1 burst, but takes long to recharge

[warm anvil]

that's a visual bug, it's supposed to be lotus's

it was fixed recently and mentioned in one of the patch notes

[viscid quarry]

Oh

Welp that’s a damn shame It was really cool when it wasn’t ours but the lotus’ hand

[warm anvil]

im saying the split open hand is the lotus's

not the drifter's

[viscid quarry]

Yeah that’s what I mean when it’s a damn shame it’s not the drifters

[near rune]

Yeah I mean I feel like it makes more sense for the split hand to be ours, like the Lotus' hand got jammed on there in the middle of our hand

[gilded valley]

Well, that's kinda explains why the drifter isn't in excruciating pain

[slender rune]

What happened to teshin after the new war

[obtuse gyro]

Alive in Duviri

[tropic venture]

He was mortally wounded by Erra, got thrown into the Void gate with us and Natah, landed in Duviri long before Natah did and was nurtured back to health by Mathila

[nova harness]

Has Erra ever succeeded at anything?

[real niche]

I was about to say "dying" but then I remembered Pazuul.

[prime lantern]

Lmao

In the end he did succeed in saving his sister

[balmy storm]

He succeeded at falling for Ballas’ ruse
Kinda weird tbh since the sentient hate the orokin for a lot of good reasons but Ballas shows up and he decides “yeah okay I’m in”

[undone lodge]

He succeeded at not killing Garcia

[maiden swan]

he succeeded at being hot

damn, that mosquito build make me like 🥵

[blissful bay]

Yup I agree with this one

[blissful bay]

He succeeded at aiding us to defeating ballus

[balmy storm]

But not Narmer, which his body now runs-

[dusty junco]

i search a clan

ps4

[blissful bay]

He only wanted to stop that blue berry from using the sun and destroying the system

[balmy storm]

But not the cult
That I guess isn’t causing too many problems rn since we’re getting into 1999 and wally stuff-

[blissful bay]

Yea rn its rebuilding and the only problem with them rn is with Cetus and Fortuna and how some of their people are being “converted”

[balmy storm]

Third orb mother narmer fight when 😔

[blissful bay]

I know right they tease us with the drone flying around it

[balmy storm]

It might be after 1999, since that’s def their focus rn
Maybe they’ll announce big narmer stuff for tennocon?
Or stalker stuff

[blissful bay]

I think that narmer is going to be a side story like how we had the man in the wall as a thing that showed up at random times in the story

[nova harness]

No he didn’t he got crushed and left it to us

[balmy storm]

Maybe, Narmers the same kinda threat as the grineer and corpus so they’re more akin to them, a general consistent threat
It’d be nice if we saw more of them though

Give me new nodes or have narmer take over nodes

[blissful bay]

What he helped get to the area by defeating sentients and held a gap in the collapsing door so we could get through and get the last shard

[balmy storm]

Something like liches with how they take territory, but no lich and just more rewards

[nova harness]

Archon Liches when?

[balmy storm]

He succeeded in getting crushed

[blissful bay]

They could do that and it would be cool something akin to the infested

[blissful bay]

Don’t diss my boy

[balmy storm]

[blissful bay]

He doesn’t deserves this all he was doing is his best

[balmy storm]

Most of what he did was help enslave the system
He’s def more of a potential ally now but still

[blissful bay]

Well yea but he was trying to stop a anything from going over into the tau system, plus balles was there and he is an expert manipulator

[balmy storm]

Expert manipulator or not I’d kinda hope the sentients, one of the top 3 orokin haters, would not listen to him

[blissful bay]

They already trusted him after the old war because he gave them secrets to aid in their fight and saved erra

[rain otter]

I think we will get back "trials" and it will be just the 3rd orb as our first like "trial"

[warped mist]

Hey guys does someone already know at what rank with cavia u will be able to unlock the ascent helminth segment after dante arrives?

[gilded valley]

Probably safe to say max rank

[warped mist]

Thx

[topaz shoal]

Dante gonna be like:

[ocean void]

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-ghoul-tsukiyama-shuu-non-book-anime-gif-16337134

Nah, Dante is this, not some shadow gang

Dante was "the orokin scribe" and Drusus' assistant

Dante is a librarian so he could have died from a bookshelf reaching for a book high up in the shelf

JK that last part

[nova harness]

He could’ve died from reading too many books

[ocean void]

#dante-unbound message

March 27 is the update

[shadow dew]

should have fallen asleep like most of the students

[obtuse gyro]

Was that confirmed in the devshort

[shadow dew]

Events tab

[obtuse gyro]

Lovely

[amber terrace]

Is it a reasonable extrapolation that Albrecht could’ve stayed in the 1999 Strand Of Khra long enough to witness the early 2000’s? Or was Albrecht’s work in 1999 only over the singular year 1999, where he was popping in and out at various points in that specific year

[obtuse gyro]

something critical happens to albrecht the moment the date turns into 2000, so I dont think he would have gotten the chance to experience the 2000s

[amber terrace]

Darn I asked because I saw a meme video of Albrecht building bionicles and I was curious if that was something that could theoretically happen lol

[prime lantern]

Maybe albretch somehow utilizing the turn of the century managed to trap himself in a sort of causal loop making it so wally if be wishs try and steal albretchs form is trapped

[dapper quarry]

Am the only one who thinks a book based frame sounds kind of lame

[nova harness]

Don’t like reading?

[dapper quarry]

I like reading but it still sounds lame bro

[nova harness]

Why?

[rain otter]

Are you sure? Also this frame cuz of how Dante works is gonna confuse a lotta people. I'm calling people saying Dante is bad day 1 cuz they don't know how to use him. Just like the original Zariman Incarnons where called bad.

[warm umbra]

yes

[rain otter]

Cuz of how his like charges for his ult works.

[obtuse gyro]

sounds not very shadow wizard money gang of you

[dapper quarry]

🫃

[rain otter]

Is that why you don't like books or Dante?

[dapper quarry]

what

[rain otter]

A bad joke.

[dapper quarry]

Dude I like books, I don't dislike Dante I just fine the idea of a frame being entirely based around a book to be a bit silly

[warm umbra]

why

[viscid quarry]

Dante ain’t of that

He’s clearly of the bookworm club

[obtuse gyro]

You say that as if theyre not the same

[viscid quarry]

One specializes in goober business and magic

The other specializes in goober business and books

Clearly he’s a book worm

[warm umbra]

wizards are known to use magic books

[nova harness]

I’m bored, Drifter vs Envoy who’s winning?

[warm umbra]

my bet would be on the Envoy, but i dont have much to back that up. DE send me an invite so i can participate in this thrilling discussion

[prime lantern]

Envoy the gun?

[nova harness]

No the character

[flat shadow]

Envoy are what the Soulframe characters are called.

[tropic venture]

Depends on what we think would win; typical fantasy magic or Lovecraft-esque eldritch magic

[prime lantern]

Which one is which

[tropic venture]

Soulframe and Warframe, respectively

[prime lantern]

I mean our magic isn't really eldritch

It's just like most forms of magic it's x source of energy shaped by thought and will

[tropic venture]

The Indifference/Wally are very cosmic horror-esque

[prime lantern]

Like we've got an eldritch guy who's 4d

But he's not the magic

[tropic venture]

"magic" is an arbitrary definition, Void in warframe is very magical in function

[prime lantern]

That's not my argument

Also albeit irrelevant I don't think warframe advertises itself as fantasy I think it's just sci fi

So I don't think we can actually have magic technically

[tropic venture]

Soulframe is fantasy, Warframe is sci-fi with fantasy elements

[prime lantern]

Yea

But point is warframes magic isn't eldritch

We've got a guy who is 4d

But he himself ain't the magic

[tropic venture]

Wally is like a prime example of Cosmic Horror

[prime lantern]

Indeed he is

But our 4d goober isn't THE magic

He's something else

We've got a pretty good idea of what he is

[viscid quarry]

That isn’t really fair is it

Also I’m fairly certain if we assume the creation myth of soulframe to be true then the bloody ground is just alca (god)

[tropic venture]

like, god is the land, or the land was made from god's body/corpse?

[viscid quarry]

I think the corpse one

Idr the myth came from the gameplay demo

Specifically the one where the ventures into that dungeon and where we first saw avakot

[tropic venture]

Soulframe appears to take a lot of inspo from old norse mythos, so that tracks

Since Midgård was built from the corpse of the giant Ymer

[slender rune]

Playing velibreaker

[slender rune]

I like karl

[tropic venture]

*Kahl

[junior vine]

Wally's finger is used in the Zariman rn

It's a cloned version but still

[tropic venture]

not so much "cloned" as different "Instances" of the relic continue to exist together, due to Eternalism and Void Untime

wether the one in the Zariman is the "original" one isn't confirmed IIRC.

[obtuse gyro]

it shouldnt be the original, since the originals are meant to be sealed away, which the zariman drive doesnt appear so

[tropic venture]

yeah

It seems like they almost have the "original" instance/instances locked away just to prevent it from "duplicating" out of control

[paper swallow]

Guys, help me, I've just been banned in the game, there's no reason, this is the first ban in the history of the account, I can't contact the support service, I can't contact the site, what should I do? VPN not working, says Acces denied

[gilded valley]

Not the chat to ask

[gilded valley]

@proven grove noot

[final crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3i6kgX9hrQ&ab_channel=JusayinStudios

@gilded valley @proven grove oh yeah there were multiple fingers cut off

[alpine trail]

Türk varmı

[viscid quarry]

?

[steady heath]

Oh my god yall ever looked outside the window in the personal quarters while at the drifter's camp?

[solar monolith]

So every ship and any other vessel that can go hyperspace jump, they have one of Wally's fingers?

[obtuse gyro]

every one that does it without the rail yes

[solar monolith]

Goddamn. How the heck they even got those?

[obtuse gyro]

by accidentally chopping off Wally's fingers

[solar monolith]

Yeah I can see that.

But how exactly did that happen?

Especially repeatedly

[obtuse gyro]

it only needed to happen once

[solar monolith]

???

[desert cargo]

As I understand it, Wally exists outside timelines. So making multiple fingers is easy so long as the finger originally cut during Albrecht's first journey is intact. Essentially borrowing that same finger from infinite other timelines that aren't using it. Like Drifter's original time. As for the original finger, who knows where it is, probably locked away like Yonta says.

[amber terrace]

I mean, realistically speaking, the original finger is probably no larger than a standard human finger, given the way Albrecht describes his encounter with The Indifference(aka Wally)

[prime lantern]

I think a significantly easier and more effective explanation is that the fingers duplicate themselves because they have 4d matter that is now stuck In a 3d world

[solar monolith]

So like D4C replacing the Valentine that died in this universe with another Valentine from a different one?

[warm umbra]

https://youtu.be/HjI8w50XTRw?si=hPUQNNPU_qrLOPE-

[tropic venture]

More like all the different "instances" of the finger continue to exist

like, the reliquary being moved from point A to point B, does not have to mean it is not still at point A too

There is only one finger, but it's not strictly limited to one place and/or time

[rain otter]

Yonta says originals. Also I was thinking of it more like the ring In Norse mythology that makes infinite copies of itself at random.

[warm umbra]

Albrecht also says "severed digits", despite Wally clearly missing only one finger

[tropic venture]

can't "a digit" also be one of the "segments" of a finger?

[warm umbra]

no, a digit is a finger

it wouldnt make sense to refer to a single finger in that way anyway

it also doesnt make sense for only one finger to get cut off in the first place

[tropic venture]

well, tbf, Albrecht was rendered blind by the incident, and the finger could've already "cloned" itself by the time he got his vision back

[warm umbra]

imo it wasnt "cloning" itself, i think they made copies, that would make more sense. also Euleria was there with him

[tropic venture]

yeah true

it's a bit weird. All the outside sources imply there were multiple from the get-go, but then everything from Wally himself implies he just lost one

[warm umbra]

personally i think it's just a disparity in writing, as it's less convoluted for the story to have just one original finger. but maybe there's something else going on 🤷

[tropic venture]

biggest issue with that assumption is that the differing sources kinda alternate. One finger -> several fingers -> one finger -> several fingers

it doesn't seem to be a thing of DE originally writing it to be multiple but then changed it to one

[graceful zodiac]

It's not really that hard to rationalize with how Wally works

He lost "a finger", we get some number of that finger

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[sacred flint]

Weren’t there originally two fingers?

[sacred flint]

Oh nvm

[tropic venture]

yeah Wally is always shown with only his right index missing, both in old and newer appearances

[warm umbra]

unreliable narrators then

something or other

with the way it happened, it would make much more sense for several fingers to get cut off. mans wasnt reaching one finger through the untime door

[graceful zodiac]

Or the finger just multiplied when cut and the Orokin just made more from them

[tropic venture]

yeah I feel like it's a case of coexisting truths. Only one finger was cut off, but there are also multiple reliquary fingers, both statements being true

[sacred flint]

Albrecht or the orokin could have used an infested strain to multiply the finger. Like they could use dna samples for the finger and infested it to make more.

If Wally even has dna

Man it would be creepy if Albrecht did some dna testing and found out it has his dna

[tropic venture]

I mean, that's implied

The Necramechs at least couldn't tell the difference

The question remains wether it's Albrecht's DNA in both, or if Albrecht's DNA changed from the Void encounter

[graceful zodiac]

The Necramechs can't detect void stuff like that in general, same as Cephalons

[tropic venture]

"Albrecht never could convince the security system to target the Murmur. He feared it could no longer differentiate between it and himself, a theory he was reluctant to confirm"

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, but we can know that it specifically wouldn't be able to target Void stuff in general from Cy

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[graceful zodiac]

If Cy can't detect any trace of the finger, Necramech absolutely wouldn't be able to target Wally's manifestations

[tropic venture]

it's more like Cy's sensors cannot comprehend the Reliquary

He senses it, but he can't understand what it truly is

[obtuse gyro]

Imo its real easy to make your targetting systems attack the void things, its basically "If matches [Cannot compute], then destroy"

the fact that the systems cant differentiate between wally and albrecht is testament to where wally got the motions of his mind from

[tropic venture]

the issue is probably that it gets stuck in that [Cannot compute] part

but yeah the albrecht case seems more like the necra security being coded to not target Albrecht also made it impossible for them to target the Murmur

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, if me, a dumdum can figure out the workaround to just treating the cannot compute part as a category to look out for, big brain albrecht can

its just like using absence/a hole of something, to figure out just where something is, which is a surprising common trope in sci-fi media, especially when dealing with cloaked targets

seen it in Star Trek, seen it in the Artemis Fowl books yada yada

[warm umbra]

especially considering it's the index finger and it's cut off right at the base. so maybe Albrecht's recounting of the events is just that muddy, and considering it's only(?) Yonta who repeats that there's several originals, and she knew Albrecht and obviously read his notes/works, she probably just has wrong info and/or Albrecht had to, for whatever reason, make sure everyone thinks theres multiple. so the only way i can rationalize this is that Wally wasnt reaching his hand out like this 🫴 as shown in the cutscenes, but like this 🫵 creation of adam style

[graceful zodiac]

He doesn't. He specifically says the Reliquary is an absence to him, he just knows something is there that's important.

[obtuse gyro]

its also how I've been dealing with invisible units in games. So long as whatever is infront of me doesnt match what should be in front of me I start blasting

[warm umbra]

Artemis Fowl mentioned 🫵

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, yes and no. You can search for exceptions and errors yeah, but The necramechs have no way of assigning a value it can use to whatever the object is

[obtuse gyro]

if the thing that youre aiming to kill, is also the only thing that triggers the "I cant see it, even though theres something there", then I would wager it not being difficult to paint it as a target

but the fact of the matter is that what the necramech systems are struggling with is telling the Indifference and Albrecht apart, not that they cant see the indifference

[graceful zodiac]

The hang up is "there's something there".

The Necramechs, unlike Cy, are not able to tell something should be there

[tropic venture]

it's not so much as "I can't see it", it's more that what they do "see" just completely overwhelms and almost short-circuits any precepts they have

there's a big difference between a Cephalon and a regular machine

[obtuse gyro]

What is the assumption here that the Necramechs dont have rudimentary optical systems? like the ones that we can presume are in use when we pilot the necramechs?

If optic sensors pick up an object, but other sensors go "AWNOJFBUOAWEFBUOAWBF" then instead of blowing up the bot they can just class it as "target"

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, the difference there is still a machine versus a human brain

[obtuse gyro]

the necramechs? short circuit from seeing the indifference and the murmur? where'd you get that from?

because if thats the case we wouldnt have rogue necramechs roaming around the murmur

[graceful zodiac]

For the Necramech, they cannot detect or sense or tell anything should be there at all

[obtuse gyro]

because they'd break real quick

[tropic venture]

notice the "almost"

[graceful zodiac]

Direct a sensor at a Mumur, they just tell you it's empty space

[tropic venture]

I don't mean a literal short-circuit, it was just the most fitting descriptor

[obtuse gyro]

realise that claiming that it "overwhelms" suggests that the necramechs are affected, when we can see that they arent, especially when they go rogue due to wally hijinks

[tropic venture]

Them going rogue is a pretty clear example of being affected, as that shows the Indifference overwrites their existing precepts

[obtuse gyro]

brb going to test something ludonarrative out

[obtuse gyro]

which is a different thing than "completely overwhelms and almost short-circuits any precepts they have"

what happens is that they become part of the murmur gang, not that their brains almost bust

addtionally, when we go back to the quote you cited, the issue with necramech targetting is that they couldnt tell albrecht and the indifference apart, this implies at a very basic level that the necramechs could see/sense the murmur, just the problem is that they were pinging it back as the very goober they're trying to serve

[warm umbra]

you cant take that quote as a fact though

[obtuse gyro]

It also questions the very assumption that a fighting force and security system tuned to fight the murmur in mind would have the same targetting limitations as a railjack command cephalon

[obtuse gyro]

as opposed to what though. We have a quote suggesting what the targetting limitations for necramechs were and comparing it to a quote from a cephalon in a railjack, two widely different contexts

[graceful zodiac]

The quote also says Albrecht did not try to confirm it. He didn't know why it wasn't targeting at all and did not want to try and find out

[tropic venture]

well, more like he didn't want to confirm it out of his fear

[warm umbra]

i wont comment on what Cy says because i dont think its that simple

[tropic venture]

yeah Cy has multiple quotes which seem more to just convey that he is trying to describe something as indescribable

[sacred flint]

It coul also just be Wally interfering with the necramech detection system

Idk it doesn’t seem so far stretcht to think the necramechs can’t distinguish between friends and foes

Because of some void distirbance

[graceful zodiac]

Not really. His every mention towards the Reliquary is of an absense he cannot see, a somthing he cannot find. It's only when you go for the key he can detect something on the edge of that absense.

And combing the two is when he gets something from the absence, but something impossible

[obtuse gyro]

So necramechs can target the murmur ingame, which is funky considering that DE has already employed a feature where enemies are able to be unable to percieve another unit (Thrax vs other units)

[graceful zodiac]

Is that in the Simulacrum?

[tropic venture]

yeah

[obtuse gyro]

I mean its not like Im going to boot up a mission in the labs and wait till I have a group of necramechs and murmur standing next to each other, might as well make it controlled

[warm umbra]

i wonder why they would do that. when the game's mechanic is "target whatever has rad stacks"

[tropic venture]

one could argue with some heavy copium that there's a difference as the regular enemies full-on cannot see or detect the Thraxes while the Necramechs just don't target the Murmur with their current set precepts but that's a real roundabout

[obtuse gyro]

make sure that the necramech is actually attacking the murmur and not the other necramechs

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, but Sim also liable to cause some funkiness in AI testing since it's a divorced ennvirons

Granted, I'd have to see if it's cause anything like that before

[tropic venture]

yeah some behaviour stuff can be tied to the areas themselves but

[obtuse gyro]

still, not intended at least gameplay wise for necramechs to not perceive murmur

[tropic venture]

yeah the necramechs seem to precieve the murmur as they are more "physical" than, say, the Thrax soldiers, but they fail to target them as long as their coding is set to not target Albrecht himself

[obtuse gyro]

plus if we go back to Cy's quote, its not that they cannot perceive the murmur at all

if you've understood "Attempting to perceive: cognition algorithms fail to prove a negative. Something touches me. Impossible." and "Paradox. You behold an absence. Describe it." and "Crew. A colour you have never seen – imagine it. That is where you are" as "cannot see something is there at all" I dont think its the right interpretation

Cy can tell that something is there, he knows something is there, the problem is that its not pinging back right

cognition algorithms fail to prove a negative.
This means that despite "nothing" being there, Cy's brain is picking up a thing.

You behold an absence
The very fact that he is able to tell us that where we are standing, in his own hull, that there is an absence right next to us, indicates that he is able to detect something, although clarity is a miss

A colour you have never seen – imagine it
You can understandably try to make a colour, you know that its a colour, you just cant percieve and process it as something that isnt the colour you can see

That is where you are
Again Cy is able to locate the thing that doesnt make sense

Now this is Cy's own capabilities, however theres nothing to indicate that necramechs, although not being railjack cephalons, are unable to share in this level of perception, or better yet go beyond it. At minimum, they would be able to track that the "nothing" in front of them is a something. Given that there understandably would be very few things out there that would be able to produce this type of nonsense in their sensors, as well as the fact that this is the very thing that they need to shoot, I do not think that the inclusion of a theory that albrecht was reluctant to test out is meant to be just a throw away line (even if it adds on to the discourse about the nature of wally) within the area of Necramech systems

[graceful zodiac]

Like I said, the difference there is that Cy is still a human mind. His sensors cannot detect a thing, but he can still understand something should be there

[warm umbra]

did not say it's a throw away line, only that it doesnt confirm or deny anything. but otherwise soo true

[graceful zodiac]

And given that necrmechs and described as "dumber than a bag of rocks" there's every reason to think they aren't up to snuff to Cephalon tech

[obtuse gyro]

even if he is a human mind, the very fact is that he is capable of perceiving it, if it was as simple as "cant see it" how is he still able to pick it up if not for the fact that it is something that is still detectable to sensors, if only giving back nonsense pings

[graceful zodiac]

But he can't perceive it. His sensors cannot detect it, he just can rationlize something should be there

[warm umbra]

he can perceive the absence. is this better

[obtuse gyro]

^

in a world full of stuff, if there is an absence, it stands out like a sore thumb

[warm umbra]

a sore index finger

[obtuse gyro]

sore digits

[warm umbra]

😏

[obtuse gyro]

he's perceiving the absence, which is all you need to categorise as a targetting category

its like looking through a thermal scope

the goober that you wanna thwack looks an awful like not the surroundings

and the surroundings arent absent

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, he can rationalize that there is an absence. Necramech cannot

[obtuse gyro]

he's not rationalising that there is an absence, he is picking up the absence, and then his systems are telling him there is something there

failing to prove a negative means that despite there being an absence his systems cant say there is an absence

[tropic venture]

Why is this relevant tho. The Necramechs seem to have more of a target classification issue than a perception issue. They cannot differentiate the Murmur from Albrecht, and they are coded to not target Albrecht

[warm umbra]

the difference is that Cy actually understands whats happening so he can even talk about it in the first place. the Necramechs dont, bc they dont think, so they cant/dont target the murmur. it's perhaps harder to tell a hardcoded machine to target "nothing"

[obtuse gyro]

because what we are arguing is that that have a target clarification issue, what AtsiaZ is arguing is that they have a perception issue

[warm umbra]

this basically

theyre too stupid

i think either cause, whether it's this or "Indifference is indistinguishable from Albrecht atp", is valid enough. maybe it's both even

[graceful zodiac]

Actually, now that I've identified where the quotes are from, he's not detecting the drive, he's detecting the interaction from the Key to the Drive

[obtuse gyro]

you still get the quotes when you examine the drive post key insertion

[graceful zodiac]

I was pulling from his Rising Tide quotes on the Drive, where he explicitly cannot find or detect it or what it is

It's only when the Key get put it that he able to detect it and find the paradox of it

[obtuse gyro]

except even then he is able to attach the tag of "negative" to it which means its not invisible to him

theres a very big difference between can't be percieved whatsoever that it returns blank and "I smell absence"

no matter how you look at his quotes, he is able to track that he cant track the drive

this means that if youre able to calibrate your bots to shoot at the thing that pings just like that, you should be golden, but even then, that isnt the issue as suggested by loid

[tropic venture]

yeah it seems that even if Loid could reprogram the Necramechs to remove the anti-Albrecht targeting precepts, it's not logistically feasible

[obtuse gyro]

Cy's perception failures are centered around not being able to figure the thing out, not that he cant see the thing.

[obtuse gyro]

inb4 the day he removes it is the day albrecht returns

"MY LOID WHY ARE MY BOTS SHOOTING AT ME?"

"I TOLD THEM TO JUST SHOOT"

[viscid quarry]

Quickly call a lo- coder

[prime lantern]

Like one of the culling games contestants he can "see" curses because he can see everything else and that's just as good

[obtuse gyro]

Tojifushiguro

[prime lantern]

No he can see them

Full see them

One participant in the culling games is just a swords man with human level ce and no ct but he's really good with a sword

Also yea if cy can detect that something should be there but he can't actually see it it wouldn't be hard for cy to just point a gun at it and I don't see why a Necramech would be any different

Like if you have the knowledge that you're foes will "appear" as blank spots in space where something should be but you can't quite see it

It wouldn't be hard to just shoot things that match the description

[obtuse gyro]

I thought toji couldnt see them and was doing the same thing as the swordsman?

or rather the swordsman was doing the samething as toji

[obtuse gyro]

oh yea nah, Toji couldnt see cursed spirits normally because he has absolutely no CE whatsoever, but because of that and some heavenly restriction nonsense, his senses were heightened to the point he might as well have been seeing cursed spirits normally the whole time

[prime lantern]

No toji can normally see them

Like he sees them exactly the same as a sorcerer

The swords man was just John from the gas station

[obtuse gyro]

thats weird, you need CE to see them normally

[prime lantern]

Heavenly restriction made his senses so sharp he could see them

It gets explained during makis awakening

[obtuse gyro]

yea but thats not the same as normally tho, which is what I was saying

[prime lantern]

Oh

Yea he can see them cause his restrictions let's him but John from the gas station can see everything else and apparently that's just as good

[obtuse gyro]

yea youre right, you get it

[echo plover]

how many of these damn orphix fields do i need to break e'-e'

[tropic venture]

Three IIRC.

[echo plover]

that was more than 3

or felt like 20

idk too many

ah i said no funny words i promise e'-e'

L move of MrBalls to cut her hand off e'-e'

[viscid quarry]

Isn’t that the standard way?

[amber terrace]

If I may, how many times did Albrecht go from his time to 1999 and back to his era? From my interpretation of the ‘Albrecht’s Notes - The Vessels’ section of the ‘Albrecht’s Notes’ codex fragments implies that Albrecht was commuting from his era to 1999 and going back to his era

[nova harness]

Yes he’s been there a few times

He left sometime after the Zariman Parade

[rain otter]

at least twice.

[amber terrace]

Huh… I interpreted the third page of the relevant entry as Albrecht ferrying 1999 Technocyte samples to and from his era to 1999

[nova harness]

He might’ve

Would explain the infestation being in 1999

[amber terrace]

I thought the first page of the relevant section implied that 1999 had already been tainted by the Infestation

[nova harness]

But there has to be something that caused the Infestation there still doesn’t there?

[rain otter]

no cuz he helps viticms of "THE GREAT PLAGUE" and then uses samples of that and the helminth to make the grey strain to put in his vessels.

so he couldn't

have brought it there first it would have to already be in 1999.

[amber terrace]

Pardon the misunderstanding, when I said that Albrecht had ferried 1999 Technicyte samples, I didn’t mean that Albrecht had brought Infestation samples to his era and that was the first Infestation sample in the Orokin era. I had meant that Albrecht had ferried 1999 TC samples to his era and to his labs on Deimos to study and that he was making semi regular commutes from his era to 1999 and then back to his era

[rain otter]

yeah.

he did take helminth samples to 1999

to give to viticms of the great plague.

[amber terrace]

Ah, another relevant question, in the fourth entry of the relevant section, Albrecht claims that when Loid pointed out the fact that the Grey Strain can mutate to monstrous dimensions, was the referenced Grey Strain samples from 1999?

[balmy storm]

Imagine this is somehow the explanation for the infested, it’s a bootstrap paradox

Even though 1999 is more of a place and probably maybe not literally 1999?

[amber terrace]

IMO, a more interesting Bootstrap Paradox would be Albrecht’s presence in 1999 creates the conditions relevant for Albrecht’s initial jump into The Void and thus ‘creating’ The Indifference

[balmy storm]

Technically it could if it’s what jump starts the entire Warframe timeline

[nova harness]

We be taxiing players to missions Albrecht be taxiing infested to 1999

[balmy storm]

The Radiation Wars, The Orokin taking over, eventually us

[balmy storm]

Real

[undone lodge]

I’m pretty sure it’s a time

[nova harness]

Is Khra the one that means time?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[balmy storm]

I’m pretty sure it’s both a place and a time

A place that’s a time?

[viscid quarry]

Yes hence strands of khra vein named that

[nova harness]

Maybe 1999 is in the Void

[balmy storm]

Duviri 2: this time it’s personal

or not personal since Duviri is already pretty personal

[nova harness]

Duviri 2 this time it’s hard mode

[balmy storm]

Steel path 2: 1999

[nova harness]

We ran out space in Origin System so put it in the Void

[balmy storm]

naturally

If you think about it the void would be a great waste disposal

so long as we can evict Wally

[nova harness]

Would it though don’t you remember the Zariman?

And the smart animals

[balmy storm]

It spit that out due to interference

and we’re not putting living things in there again, that clearly has always been a bad idea

Us, Cavia, Drifter, Albrecht, Wally probably, all of Duviri
No brains in the void, only trash

[nova harness]

If you throw something in the Void it hides it for a few years then returns it with a few changes

[balmy storm]

I feel like that only applies if minds are involved

The Zariman has thousands of minds aboard it, the void chewed them up and spat them back out as ghosts and angels

If I throw a tin can in there I don’t think it’s coming back haunted

[nova harness]

The Void decided to revive Ballas into a fictional character

In a real world

[balmy storm]

That was less the void and more Kullervo

Just realized that guy’s got mad daddy issues

[nova harness]

Doesn’t everyone in Warframe?

[balmy storm]

Most yeah

[nova harness]

Except Rell

[balmy storm]

Idk about us

I mean our dad died, but we seemed to be on good terms

[nova harness]

Our dad died then we got 2 moms

[balmy storm]

And we don’t really have an exact father figure, Ballas is more an abusive step dad

[balmy storm]

We got a good deal

[nova harness]

We had a father figure called Teshin

[balmy storm]

I guess, I always saw him as an uncle tbh

A really cool uncle

[nova harness]

We got a Grandad called Hunhow

[balmy storm]

True, we got granddaddy issues

[nova harness]

We got a father that bares no name

[balmy storm]

Since Albrecht discovered the void he’s like
Sorta our dad

And he’s got a boyfriend
So 2 dads

And Father, since we do kinda become part of the Entrati

This family tree is a mess

[nova harness]

Albrecht’s our surrogate dads dad

[balmy storm]

So grandpa 2?

[nova harness]

Ye

[balmy storm]

So grandpa the sequel has a boyfriend so we also have grandpa 3

[nova harness]

But our surrogate dad is also technically older than his dad

[balmy storm]

Why is this getting harder to comprehend than the void

[nova harness]

Before grandad 2 went into the void he was nothing

But was old as stars

We are actually older than our second adopted mom

[balmy storm]

Albrecht, Loid, Father, Wally and unnamed Bio Dad

Then Lotus, Mother, Margulis, Bio Mom

We have more dads than moms??

[nova harness]

People don’t seem to realise that Erra is our Uncle

[balmy storm]

We have 2 uncles

Both died but secretly didnt

Weird that happened twice tbh, DE hates uncles

Or loves them since they’re still alive kinda

[nova harness]

If Erra is in Pazuul does that make him our uncle too?

[balmy storm]

No, Pazuul and the Archons would be our cousins

[nova harness]

Our Grandmother is a ship

[balmy storm]

Yup

[nova harness]

Warframe has weird lore

[balmy storm]

I love Warframe

[nova harness]

Our extended Family is huge

[balmy storm]

We need a family tree diagram

Oh god since most/all Tenno were adopted by Lotus we have over a million siblings-

I say most cause I vaguely remember it being said not all Tenno are good and follow Lotus, but that’s never been expanded on so idk bout that

[nova harness]

There was Rell

That’s the closest we got

Maybe Stalker but dunno

[balmy storm]

Hopefully we find out more about that soon

Does a version of Stalker being playable in Duviri via transference imply that Stalker, or at least their body, is a Warframe?
Or just that they have a transference bolt?
In which case why?
Alternatively it’s just that version of Stalker since they are from another universe which hurts to think about-

Cause that means other universes do in fact exist-

[nova harness]

I think that was because Stalker was helping Drifter in Origin System so time magic void shenanigans

[balmy storm]

“An ally from an unknown time and place. Stalker is a powerful force within the shadows.”

This is very vague, he could be ours, he could be from somewhere else, he could be the void just dumping him in our lap cause ???

[nova harness]

So yeah void shenanigans probably

[balmy storm]

Yay, the easy answer

We should feed Wally some of that Solaris head-exploding food

[nova harness]

Nothing is easy answer in Warframe

[balmy storm]

Dogs come from eggs

[nova harness]

Why?

Why don’t they come from the sky?

[balmy storm]

The other easy answer:
The Orokin did it.

Why?
They probably thought playing god for 9,748,203 time was funny

[nova harness]

If dogs come from eggs did Tagfer come from an egg too?

As another animal species that is

[balmy storm]

Maybe

I think it’s impossible to say

for all we know Bird 3 was birthed like a modern-day cow

[nova harness]

Wally is his dad tho isn’t he or is it the Void?

[balmy storm]

Depends, since Albrecht was using the cavia to try and dumb down the Indifference I’m inclined to say Wally but it could’ve have just been a product of the void

Probably Wally since a specific combo was needed of unique traits, the void itself doesn’t want what Wally wants (maybe?)

[nova harness]

Either way Void affiliated stuff really like making children

[balmy storm]

Are the Cavia our siblings?

[nova harness]

No

We aren’t Warframes remember

The first child was Revenant Prime

[balmy storm]

But the Cavia entered the void same as us and came out changed same as us, both instances most definitely involving Wally

Rev Prime is a pure child of the void

[nova harness]

Does that make Cavia illegitimate children?

[balmy storm]

Yesn’t

[nova harness]

Warframe families are complicated

Rell seems to be Wallys favourite

Albrecht might’ve saved himself if he just spoke to the man that looked like himself ignored all the hurt he got from running

[rain otter]

Well Rell literally held down Wally for All of the post old war till we save Rell.

[nova harness]

Then we lied to him for years

We didn’t try to hold wally back up until recently

[bronze loom]

Any one play in iPhone guys

[rain otter]

Cuz Rell was holding him down until we free Rell. Like The Mitw existes still in the Void and can interact with us he is like seriously impeded by Rell until Rell "dies".

Which is what the Catch up computer says.

[balmy storm]

Fr, I swear 90% of our problems could’ve been avoided if his fear didn’t take charge in that moment

[rain otter]

It even calls Rell the Sentinel.

[balmy storm]

The way Albrecht described the scene, while freaky, wasn’t really menacing
Like Wally’s first ever known interaction wasn’t malicious or it didnt seem that way

[nova harness]

But what was we doing all that time to stop Wally like we told Rell we would?

[rain otter]

He was literally losing his memories to this creature that didn't want him to leave.

[balmy storm]

Is it stated he was losing his memories?
Cause from what I remember Wally took his form and said his childhood name, which he remembered and had when he made his logs.

[rain otter]

let me check.

[balmy storm]

The fact he remembered what happened and put it into his log and there being no other time Wally stole memories I doubt he did that
He did peer into his mind, but he didn’t take anything

[rain otter]

smoke was literally coming from his head.

i feel like that wasn't a good sign.

[balmy storm]

We don’t know what kind of sign it was

[nova harness]

was certain. I was face-down, eyes clenched. My heart pulsing the last of its seconds, and my lungs burning the last of its air. A sudden nostalgia gripped me. I grasped desperately, for memory, of a storm, just passed, the fumbling pitch of a child's song... yet all these thoughts seemed to steal away from my mind like smoke through a vent. I would die empty. I then became aware of another sensation. Physical. A web of pain, needles itching into my arm. At once I realized: I was alive! Laying in the Bell's shattered seriglass! I groped the ground. Warm stone. The floor of my laboratory. So: I had never left... and so: I had failed. Again. I heard a crunch alongside me. Someone stepping through the shattered glass. With great shame, I gasped and rose my head to face my daughter above me. But as I opened my eyes, it wasn't her. It was me."

[balmy storm]

I missed that dang

So he was taking the memories so he could have form

[balmy storm]

Is that Jahu or is that the next one?

[nova harness]

Chaos

[rain otter]

Fass

[balmy storm]

I still argue we don’t know Wally’s intentions, obviously stealing memories so you can have a body is bad, but I doubt Wally would know what’s good and bad

[nova harness]

I translated it from Voidtounge to English

[balmy storm]

Idk, it’ll be interesting to see more into Wally
I really want a deep dive into him and his mind

[rain otter]

but yeah this Twin (the mitw) was literally taking this mans memory as smoke and then approaching him menacingly.

[balmy storm]

jojo reference

[nova harness]

I think Albrecht has done more to stop him than we ever have

[balmy storm]

I can’t believe Wally is Dio (I can)

[rain otter]

I like the void as something that isn't just the mitw it's why i really like Dominus Thrax being against the mitw.

[nova harness]

Albrecht lies in his story

He says he told nobody about Man in the Wall

[balmy storm]

I still want the option to help Wally, not to do bad things but to help him in a compassionate way
But tbh I doubt that’ll happen cause he’s basically our abuser and we probably shouldn’t help our literal abuser

[balmy storm]

Same, mitw and the void are separate entities

[rain otter]

he didn't at that time.

probably.

his gay love story is a slow burn.

[balmy storm]

We don’t know what Wally is exactly but he is not the void incarnate (probably)

[nova harness]

Does Loid know about him?

[balmy storm]

Yes

See Whispers

[nova harness]

So how didn’t Albrecht tell anyone

[rain otter]

at the time we met Loid he is like "I don't this thing to attach itself to you loid my gay lover who i am very gay for"

[balmy storm]

He probably told his boyfriend at some point

[rain otter]

yeah just after the logs.

[balmy storm]

Can’t really hide the reason for throwing mountains of animals into the void

[nova harness]

He told Thrax

He probably told all of Duviri

[rain otter]

he told thrax after the logs too also he hadn't been back to the void before he made the Logs.

[balmy storm]

He told Thrax when he went to Duviri

I got a flight, y’all have fun

[rain otter]

GOO BYE have a nice flight.

[nova harness]

I think Eurelia saw him for 1 millisecond

Since she closed the portal

Why didn’t Wally steal our memories

[valid quarry]

Funsies

[balmy storm]

He wants more than that from us maybe?

[balmy storm]

Yonta saw him out of the corner of her eye, which considering she’s a void ghost, knowledge of the void and dreams about Albrecht I think that may be important
Somehow

[prime lantern]

Considering he is he willing to alter infinite beings to further his goals I don't think he's a good guy

Also he may or may not have committed homicide on an infinite scale

[amber terrace]

Given the Entratis’ work with Archon Shards(which are Tau tech) throughout the Old War, would it be out of the question for an Entrati device to have the capability of accepting Sentient Cores as an alternative power source?

[balmy storm]

He absolutely is not a good guy, but that’s not gonna stop me from wanting to take a compassionate option

[rain otter]

an energy source for what? cuz I think the Corpus are doing that also the tenno use Sentient parts for amps.

it wouldn't be out of the question though no.

[odd rain]

Any of you guys know when the now iOS update coming

[amber terrace]

I’m trying to make a plausible explanation for a set of combined decorations I put together in my orbiter

Inspired by this

[viscid quarry]

Make something up and blame the orokin

10/10 works every time

[amber terrace]

What I had in my head at the current moment is “A curious device made of multiple Entrati instruments. When an Eidolon Shard is placed in the receptacle, the device analyzes the material and temporal makeup of the Shard, using the data to pinpoint Sentient bastions and incoming Sentient forces. Normally runs on the power of a ship or outpost, but can use Necracoils, Ayatan Stars, and, in the most desperate of times, a Sentient Core.”

[topaz vigil]

Is the stalker that tried to kill us when saving our operator the same one who was helping us in the boss fights during the new war?

[valid quarry]

It's possible that one was from an alternate timeline of some sort. The description for Stalker in Duviri is that he's "repaying a debt"

[amber terrace]

Yep

So far as I can tell, the only reason the Shadow Stalker doesn’t immediately RKO us in The New War is because Hunhow saw an amount of use in us getting Natah away from the Golden Lord Of Lies(Ballas)

[valid quarry]

Space Grandpa wanted to use the "Grandkids" to help his daughter

[amber terrace]

There’s one of two approaches to this. There’s the meta answer saying that Duviri Stalker is kinda ish fulfilling the Stalker Mode promise from a very long time ago on a technicality

[amber terrace]

Pretty much. Anything to get his family as far away from that golden freak, Ballas

I’m willing to bet that if Hunhow was the one who was in charge of the Sentients in TNW and that he had somehow secured Natah, there wouldn’t have been much that could’ve been done to get Natah back to our side

[rain otter]

I think this is literally what lanithorns where for lmao.

If I remember correctly.

[near rune]

Lanthorns are for connecting points in real-space to points in Void-space

[rain otter]

yeah that's it.

[near rune]

"A ceremonial beacon used to map Void locations on to real space."

[fiery surge]

Ballas the golden lord of lies.

Such as Excalibur prime being farmable which is a lie

[nova harness]

Who said it’s farmable?

[fiery surge]

Ballas was trying to be the golden lier through his veil

Such as lying to say it was farmable

Even though you can't actually get it

[nova harness]

You can get it you just need a Time Machine

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-warframe-warframe-1999-gif-2313027359489077640

[fiery surge]

Unfortunately Albrecht is ahead of us

And it's one-way

[copper lance]

The Lone Story is the same as the Duviri Experience but with no side objectives. After completing six bounty stages, you'll be forced to fight the Orowyrm to finish your run. This is great for players looking to farm Pathos Clamps from Orowyrm kills. Undercroft stages are still present, so you'll still use your Warframe and weapons.
help I killed Kullervo, accepted Teshin's orvius and it didn't force me to fight Orowyrm

[nova harness]

That’s probably a bug

[copper lance]

well what do I do? I don't wanna do this all over again obviously

[nova harness]

There’s not really much you can do

[viscid quarry]

I see no choice other then reset

[copper lance]

damn

[nova harness]

I heard jumping into the void fixes stuff

[viscid quarry]

Like a lack of the choir

[rain otter]

The time machine is not one way.

Albretch just destroyed it the final time he used it.

[fiery surge]

Mostly to get Wally attention away from Loid

[rain otter]

He actually thought Wally couldn't go to 1999.

Which wasn't true and didn't work.

[echo plover]

getting vibe checked by the deacons is gonna make me go insane

[echo plover]

will i have to fight each archon in TNW e'-e'

[viscid quarry]

Yes

[desert dock]

Just two, the third doesnt count as a fight

[echo plover]

hrm?

[echo plover]

wym by that e'-e'

im feeling very afraid of snake e'-e'

scawy

[desert dock]

It’s ok it’s to your benefit just move along

[echo plover]

so do i get to choose the 2 i actually fight

[desert dock]

Yes

[echo plover]

which would you recommend e'-e'

[desert dock]

[echo plover]

im gonna get bullied regardless so who is less bully

[nova harness]

Snake

Snake easiest

[echo plover]

snake scawy

[fiery surge]

Snake is a matter of when she does the shield thingy

Then go around her and shoot her

If she tries to T-Pose, get away from her Line of Sight

[echo plover]

i just ran around and smoked as much as i coukd

she is the ded

[echo plover]

owl or dog e'-e'

which one give me least pain

[rain otter]

i think the dog is easier.

also Hunhow told you all their weakness.

did you remember what he said?

[echo plover]

nein

owl scream then i nab him dog i forgor snek ded

[nova harness]

He said he didn’t know the owl’s weakness

[rain otter]

oh i literally forgor that lmao.

[echo plover]

i fight owl, he screm too much

[viscid quarry]

When the owl puts up that orb use your 4 or roll inside it to then hit boreal

[echo plover]

i had no 4

only 1 2 3

idk what 4 you mean e'-e'

hes ded but idk what 4th ability im supposed to use there

[viscid quarry]

The cloaking one

The smoke bomb

[echo plover]

thats 2

[viscid quarry]

Oh

[cinder breach]

cavia rep rank up cutscenes are amazing, wasn't expecting anything special

[ocean void]

Keep ranking up and u will soon access to fashion

[wicked iron]

Most factions have been pretty awesome for story since Plains was introduced, as I recall.

[cyan crest]

they only started doing the cool cutscenes with deimos iirc

[wicked iron]

The cutscenes yeah, but I think it did still give some lore after ranking up with Cetus and Fortuna, didn't it? Or maybe I am just thinking of the new unlocked voice lines characters in those places got.

[cyan crest]

they all get little things for getting higher ranks, npcs get different lines and well, you know what happens to solaris in the last rank

[native oriole]

Uranus spoilers

||they chillin together||

[sacred flint]

That could have gone a different way…

[frail flower]

spoilers for whispers in the wall
||DAM THIS MONITOR GOT SOME MAD BURN IN||

[nova harness]

It’s just the Windows 1999

[worthy oracle]

first time experience this, it was magical

[sacred flint]

damn right it was

[warm anvil]

it only gets better from here :)

[nova harness]

Until Waverider hits

[warm anvil]

that was a little draining but i did that quest the moment it was available to me

[rain otter]

I think WaveRider is way better than everyone says it is.

they just played it day 1 and went "i can't do it so it's bad forever"/

also Yareili wasn't even the worst frame when she came out no matter what people say.

anyway.

hydroid was the worst warframe until his rework now it's probably oberon

[nova harness]

I don’t think it’s bad for difficulty I think it was just a boring quest that was fan service and should’ve been apart of Vox Solaris

[rain otter]

The quest has been reworked a few times to not be as long or boring.

[wicked iron]

I liked Waverider a lot, too. 😄

[cyan crest]

inaros tho

[rain otter]

Inaros was meta for a time. Hydroid never worked correctly. He was always bad.

Inaros' rework seems cool.

actually Vabaun is probably the worst

[cinder steppe]

I think it would be interesting if we would get a focus on why some may willingly follow Narmer

[nova harness]

They don’t

That’s what the veils for

[cinder steppe]

Despite visually looking like a mind control faction, we have several dialogs indicating that some willingly follow Narmer and willingly put the Veils on.

[rain otter]

We kinda do from Eudico.

[rain otter]

It's specifically stated some do join. Mostly cuz of the comfort and not having to think. It's not many but some do.

Let me find the Eudico Lines from the Narmer bounties.

[cinder steppe]

It could be interesting to explore this more than just with dialogs. Especially since to us they look like an obvious death cult with an insane lying leader

[cinder steppe]

Yeah but it could be interesting to see it play out more directly instead of just through dialog. Like make us understand why some may join Narmer willingly.

[nova harness]

I’ll join Narmer and then kill Pazuul taking his place

[rain otter]

Fair. I still find hers really interesting.

[cinder steppe]

Yes it is. Not saying it's not but I am just curious about how someone that does join them think?, what experiences did they have that caused it?, see the world through their eyes a little so that we can understand without making them seem right.

[near rune]

Some choose to put on the Veils. Eudico muses on why: "Some take the veil by choice. A first taste of happiness, no matter how illusory, can be… well… more than you can ever let go of."

[nova harness]

Why did the veil make Teshin sad not happy

[balmy storm]

Grief and anger

[near rune]

The Veil was trying to convince him to turn against the Tenno. It showed him the Tenno killing his lover.

[cinder steppe]

Teshin is just stronger than his emotions and he understood that it was just war.

[balmy storm]

Could’ve also been a prototype