spoiler-chat

[viscid quarry]

Ah

Was gonna wonder if it’s really mitosis if no new fingers are actually generated (honestly reminds me of say shipping a product then receiving the same product later on)

[tropic venture]

eternalism and Untime means it being moved from point A to point B doesn't have to mean it's not still at point A

[viscid quarry]

Ok that makes more sense

[tropic venture]

so the same one finger can appear to be multiple copies

hence why there are multiple reliquary drives

[viscid quarry]

Pretty interesting idea tbh

[tropic venture]

while there only being one finger that was cut off from Wally

[nova harness]

Yonta said Originals not Original

[cyan crest]

and Albrecht said Digits and not Digit

[nova harness]

As much as he only shows one missing finger he can show up looking however he wants

[rain otter]

it also might have multiple copies cuz of the void and it might up replicate itself.

it wouldn't be out of the question.

it is a void finger that grew giant and is now being used to hyper space jump i feel anything is possible.

[wild copper]

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[sage epoch]

What was deleted

Was it funny

[undone lodge]

Probably a bot scam link or server

[kindred whale]

When will the android version will release?

[nova harness]

Anytime between now and 2035

[viscid quarry]

Clearly it will release in 3520

[torpid arch]

So whos the most likely next prime? Protea?

[tropic venture]

yeah probably, then Xaku after that

since the next actually female frame who could be paired with Protea is Yareli, who's two male frames away anyways

so order is most likely Protea -> Xaku -> Sevagoth -> Lavos -> Yareli

so upcoming Prime weapons will be goated

Quassus Prime, Epitaph Prime, Cedo Prime

plus whatever miscellaneous weapon gets Primed alongside them

still hoping for Daikyu Prime and Okina Prime

[viscid quarry]

Honestly the real weapons that need to be primed are the ||stug prime (kuva stug when)|| and the proboscis cernos since we always need more cernos weapons

[tropic venture]

Stug is a Grineer weapon, so it won't get a prime

only Tenno weapons get primes

only exceptions would be like Phantasma Prime and Venato Prime who are both Sentient weapons, but they are Warframes signature weapons

[torpid arch]

I still REALLY want an infested lich system on deimos

[tropic venture]

Infested liches are confirmed to be coming

[torpid arch]

But different than the others. No ship battles. Gotta go deep into ancient infested tunnels below

[tropic venture]

we don't know when or how they'll work exactly tho

[tropic venture]

Yeah there aren't infested Empyrean missions rn, so unless they add one for those it'll have to be something different

if they do add it, I guess Eris Proxima could be a possibility

[copper lance]

.... am I soft locked because I don t have the railgun "front artillery" ...?

[flat shadow]

you can make some in your RJ if you are out.

[copper lance]

oh nvm, didnt realize what front artillery actually was

[tropic venture]

yeah there's the piloting turrets, the ordnance (alt fire on piloting turrets), the gunnery turrets, and the front artillery

then there's also more turrets further back the railjack but

[torpid arch]

Kinda hate archwing and railjack tbh so id prefer something on ground but tru they could always make eris proxima

[viscid quarry]

A man is allowed hope nick

[tropic venture]

Stug Wraith is still possible

or Kuva Stug

[viscid quarry]

Still

[tropic venture]

tbh a stug shooting pure Kuva would be insanely powerful lore-wise

[viscid quarry]

Gotta pray that’s what happens

Would love to finally realize the true power of the stug

[prime lantern]

I mean not particularly

It's not like kuva is particularly hot or reactive

It makes the queens lichs immortal and gives them powers

And let's me gamble my heart away

[nova harness]

Why was Wally emotional if we didn’t do the right thing in his eyes with the Kuva? It’s not like we needed it

[limpid scarab]

Seeing Albrecht’s fit and the old pc’s in this game is the craziest and most unexpected thing to me

[calm glacier]

Spoiler

[rain otter]

Well a PC from 1999

And his fit is like faux 1999 which is hilarious.

[viscid quarry]

Make em gamblers

Kuva stug change: every shot is now a droplet of kuva that can instantly make the enemy drop enormous sums of credits or somehow transmute them into a glorified angry cloud of kuva that can be shot by operator for a minor explosion (can you tell that I may or may not have gone insane)

[autumn panther]

not gonna lie , kompressa prime will be goated too

[sacred flint]

I actually like the lich system. However if they make more they should do something different this time. And with a bit more randomized challenge. It is a bit repetitive at times doing the same thing over and over and if you are farming for max % weapons then the liches abilities themselves are repetitive cause you just use the same frame over and over. So making some random challenges would be nice or some environmental puzzles

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[tropic venture]

Wdym, in War Within? Kuva has Void-connections, so that short time of us having it (regardless of our choice) gave him the chance to contact us despite Rell and Harrow still restraining him

[sacred flint]

wasn't rell already gone? is chains of harrow before war within?

[tropic venture]

War Within is before Chains of Harrow

Rell had to forgo his human body and humanity, becoming one with Harrow

he basically permanently and fully Transferred to Harrow

[sacred flint]

nah he ||died||

[tropic venture]

he "died"

[sacred flint]

you can read that at the computer recap in sanctum

[tropic venture]

he fully died and passed on at the end of the quest

[sacred flint]

yea that is what i mean

but i thought chains of harrow was before the war within

[tropic venture]

during the quest and before it he was still "alive" per se

[tropic venture]

no, Chains of Harrow is right before Apostasy prologue

[sacred flint]

so i wouldn't make sense for wally to still be contained by rell so i was just confusion but i understand now

[tropic venture]

Second Dream -> War Withing -> Chains of Harrow -> Apostasy Prologue -> The Sacrifice

[sacred flint]

yea sry was just confusion

[obtuse gyro]

you can technically make a link between wally being active enough to take down rell with us meddling with the kuva

[tropic venture]

Wally got much more freedom to act after Harrow and Rell's seal on him were removed. He contacts the Operator in the Origin System more, and he influences Duviri more

[sacred flint]

who here chose to drink it?

i absoltuly gobbled it up

[obtuse gyro]

I like to stay neutral

[tropic venture]

I did, back then I chose both black and white choices, now I'm a dedicated middle chooser

[obtuse gyro]

I cant remember what option it was, I just picked the middle one always

[tropic venture]

middle for Kuva was to control it

white was destroy, black was to consume

[sacred flint]

i am also neutral but come on i had to chose to drink it i wanted to know what would happen

yea neutral was to just keep the kuva

[tropic venture]

yeah since I chose white and black options back then, I ended up basically fully neutral even before I dedicated to it

[viscid quarry]

Heresy

[obtuse gyro]

wally contacts you all the same

[tropic venture]

yeah, what exactly he says differs slightly based on your choice

but it all comes down to reminding us he's still there

[sacred flint]

you can still see it no? there is a sort of bar under your icon that shows the precentage of dark/light. so if you where completely neutral the bar is in the middle but even if you chose one option off the bar is slightly off middle

[tropic venture]

our memories being recovered, and the proximity to Kuva, let him properly get in touch with us

[sacred flint]

but the icon is neutral

[tropic venture]

yes. That's what I meant by saying I ended up basically fully neutral

[sacred flint]

ah like that

[viscid quarry]

Same here

[tropic venture]

Sacrifice onwards I am a dedicated neutral path

neutral path has the best choice 90% of the time anyways

[sacred flint]

i really wanted to name my rabbit Lua but i had to chose terra );

[tropic venture]

Doesn't even matter. The name tag above it just says "Rabbit" after the quest regardless of your choice

[sacred flint]

wut really?

[tropic venture]

yep

[sacred flint]

i think that is just a bug i swear i see Terra above mine

[tropic venture]

I wish that nametag did change, and maybe even Teshin actually said its chosen name instead of just "our trusted ally" when grabbing the Orvius

[viscid quarry]

You weren’t a neutral path always?

[tropic venture]

not always, but my mix of black/white choices early on made my overall standing basically fully neutral anyways

[viscid quarry]

also damnit Terra is the best name for the rabbit of caerbannog

[viscid quarry]

Eh well it counts

[tropic venture]

I mean, so far the actual choices don't really

only one that somewhat does so far is the final choice in TNW, and even then it only changes their displayed name (so far)

[viscid quarry]

And customization choices (I pity anyone who chose margulis and lived to regret it)

[tropic venture]

True, choosing Margulis just feels like legit wrong

Lotus is the most moral choice imo. It's who she chose to be, it doesn't force her to be tied to her past or what others wanted of her

[nova harness]

I chose Lotus but put on Margulis skin

[obtuse gyro]

Counterpoint: booba

[tropic venture]

Lotus radiant is the best skin for her anyways

[viscid quarry]

Counterpoint: you can still get booba if you pick lotus

[obtuse gyro]

Lotus prime

[viscid quarry]

We gotta wait for lotus umbra lol

[nova harness]

The whole quest was Lotus in Umbra levels of stress

[viscid quarry]

You think she ever gets a vacation?

[tropic venture]

I wanna see her actually do powerful stuff, since even beyond her innate power she also has the three archon shards, and whatever power Ballas had beyond that

[viscid quarry]

Well she kinda made the man in the wall stop ig assuming it wasn’t just futile

[nova harness]

Yeah when she went on Holiday with the Sentients

[tropic venture]

Seems more to me like he disappeared on his own, appeared just to show us what he can access now

[viscid quarry]

That wasn’t a holiday that’s a tax break

[viscid quarry]

Kinda fair even though lotus did see something we didn’t

[tropic venture]

Her response about seeing him after is odd tho. Either she knows more about him than she's letting on (possibly saw him during the Void trip from Tau?) or he appeared as something else to her

[viscid quarry]

Probably both

[nova harness]

Lotus Man in the Wall is not real Natah The Man in the Wall is real I saw him

[viscid quarry]

The only way is she either spills the beans on it or we find a way to view what she saw during that whole escapade

[viscid quarry]

I barely understood that tbh

[tropic venture]

She does know a lot about Void's effect on humans by virtue of having some of Margulis' knowledge

and by cartaking for the Tenno

[viscid quarry]

Probably not as much as albrecht but yeah true

Wait Ik this will sound wierd but what if we tried to do transferance to lotus but not the take over her body style but the same way we did umbra

[tropic venture]

yeah Albrecht probably has the most actual theoretical knowledge on it, while we have more practical experience and direct connection to it

[viscid quarry]

Would we be able to see her memory of it there?

[tropic venture]

well, considering we are Void, and she is a Sentient...

[viscid quarry]

She sent lua to the void perfectly fine

[tropic venture]

and Wally could probably meddle with those memories appear to us

[viscid quarry]

Fair but it’s a chance

[nova harness]

She pressed a button

[tropic venture]

She was basically stranded and locked in her chamber then, hence why she could actually physically reach us at the end of Second Dream

[viscid quarry]

In the void..

[tropic venture]

Lua was the Orokin capital, it's pretty safe to assume it has the top-notch Void tech and Void insulation

[nova harness]

She was in a box protected from the void damage

[tropic venture]

cause we know she was stuck in her chamber, and her chamber is on Lua

[tropic venture]

yeah her chamber might have some form of Albrecht Membrane

insulating it from Void

[viscid quarry]

That would make sense

Still you would think the void would still get through after generations of being stuck in the void but the chamber could have more defenses against the void

[tropic venture]

it might've originally been built like that to ensure that the Tenno's Void stuff didn't affect the rest of Lua back when Margulis had them

[nova harness]

Do you think she got hurt when we dropped it?

[tropic venture]

Possibly, yeah

She doesn't appear very physically adept when we see her in Second Dream

and we know that she's really physically strong, even among other Sentients

cause even as an only semi-restored Eidolon, she easily broke through the entire Narmer fleet and the Murex Sentient foot-soldiers

might've been made that strong by Hunhow in case she had her cover blown while infiltrating them

[viscid quarry]

Considering she’s his daughter I’d assume so

[tropic venture]

yeah

[viscid quarry]

That or the fragments we face are just that weak

Which would be the scarier one as that would suggest that there still is a good chance we get bodied hard by one but let’s assume lotus is just insanely strong

[tropic venture]

I mean I assume the Sentients on Tau are much stronger than the straggling survivors left in the Origin system

[viscid quarry]

Yeah but let’s just hope it isn’t natah destroys fleets strong

[nova harness]

Much stronger maybe but there’s no competition

[simple python]

We'll have to see til the eventual singularity where we actually see a Tau planet. Maybe.

Probably not.

[nova harness]

Rebb said it’s not where the story is heading

[simple python]

Ah.

[nova harness]

There’s no real reason for us to go there plus if we left Grineer and Corpus would start destroying the Origin System we might not even have powers there

[sacred flint]

Maybe soulframe could be set on Tau

Would be a very cool thing

[obtuse gyro]

wouldnt be, theyre two different universes

[sacred flint]

Aah could always dream

[glass birch]

If arthur doesnt get a glaive at some point in 1999 i will riot probably

[nova harness]

Why would he? he’s not Hayden Tenno

[glass birch]

Yet

[nova harness]

He never was

Warframe isn’t in the Dark sector universe

That’s why Arthur isn’t using Hayden’s Excalibur suit

[prime lantern]

My guy arthur and hayden arnt similar

[glass birch]

Excalibur

[rain otter]

"FINE" she like can't replicate anymore and she was like mindwiped to be lotus i feel like "FINE" isn;t the right word.

[rain otter]

idk cuz Hunhow was still afriad of like the Orokin empires counter attacks. Like he destoryed the solar rail to tau in the orogin system for a reason.

[rain otter]

I don't think we are ever going to Tau ever but I do think the like 3rd Orb boss fight will be like Pazuul going "WITH THIS ORB I WILL USE ITS ENERGY TO RESTART THE SOLAR RAIL TO TAU" and then we will stop him .

[viscid quarry]

I meant In her years of being stuck in lua which was in the void at the time but o k

[obtuse gyro]

1. that is a extremely rude reply to an objective fact
2. you are failing to prove any real links between arthur and hayden, and saying "excalibur" does nothing to prove your point at all.

[viscid quarry]

Hell I’d say that here it’s a benefit rather then an insult

[rain otter]

Yea and one of my special interests is warframe lore so i know you're wrong.

[prime lantern]

Revenent

[rain otter]

Limbo

[viscid quarry]

Gara

[cerulean bolt]

Yareli

[tepid cave]

Loki

[frank portal]

Grendel

[fading current]

Sevagoth

[ember fable]

Harrow

[cyan crest]

well at least we now know what Otak was before glassing

[nova harness]

A male Suda

[viscid quarry]

Oh damn he was an Archimedean before… well what happened to him

[nova harness]

Probably whatever you see is wrong with him now

[viscid quarry]

Fair

[cyan crest]

hey at least he still works with crystals

[viscid quarry]

Still a sad fate for an Archimedean to become well what he is now (didn’t realize you were you for a sec due to pfp lol)

[cyan crest]

:p

[nova harness]

Old pfp was better ngl

[viscid quarry]

I’d agree but eh it’s his choice

[obtuse gyro]

Maybe seeing otak's fate is what motivated suda

Either that or otak was a quirky archimedean, the fake idiot savant

[cyan crest]

it’s a pair pfp i have with someone else so it’s better for me :p

[cyan crest]

i wonder what otak did to end up a cephalon

[obtuse gyro]

Probably the same as suda, but too late

[cyan crest]

it was probably a punishment if you ask me

cause he did end up as a servant

while suda was still an archivist in a sense

[obtuse gyro]

Too late as in his mind got borked. Knowing the entrati they might have taken him in

[cyan crest]

i thought he was like that because he entered NecraLoid’s body too late

[shadow dew]

so i just finished Chains of Harrow and got a mail from Palladino "An offering of Gratitude"
but there's no attached or said offering in the mail? Is it supposed to be like that

[obtuse gyro]

check if you got a harrow blueprint

[shadow dew]

Yea. I did get that

[obtuse gyro]

tada that was the attachment

[shadow dew]

was hoping for something more xd

[nova harness]

There is something more you unlocked

You get access to iron wake with new mods and a decoration

[viscid quarry]

Really though you go for the donda then never return until you remember riven slivers exist and gotta spend them all

[nova harness]

I go there to buy the rivens wait for someone to want a veiled riven then sell it

Rivens aren’t really as important as people make them out to be

[shadow dew]

Got duped by one of the flawed mods. Didn't realize it was slightly worse than the one I already have.

[simple python]

I think... that's a little patronizing.

Otak is still like... there. He's very knowledgeable.

[obtuse gyro]

But is he what he could have been? Is he not algernon? Is he not a genius trapped in the recesses of a damaged mind?

[real niche]

He's not getting worse, that's the point of being a Cephalon

[undone kiln]

I just finished the Kalymos sequence, and there is one thing that makes me so curious that I can't sleep...

Dose the Japanese-like guy in 1999 are the Excalibur that before transform?

[nova harness]

They are a turning into a full Warframe

[covert tree]

And he's obviously not the first excalibur or else he'd be prime

[nova harness]

Well no because some were Primed first and others earned it

[covert tree]

Oh

That makes sense actually

[nova harness]

I personally believe Excalibur was Prime first but there’s nothing determining who was and who wasn’t

[torpid lantern]

I thought it was confirmed in stream that Arthur is the very first Excalibur

[covert tree]

Oh shi

[nova harness]

Which stream?

[near rune]

No, because Albrecht turned Arthur into a warframe following Ballas' designs. Excalibur was the first (Orokin) warframe, so he had to exist first for Albrecht to copy.

[torpid lantern]

And the girl he was talking to over comms (forgot her name) is Mag because you can hear her using the abilities

[nova harness]

Arthur was Albrechts first Warframe

[covert tree]

We're is volt?!?

[torpid lantern]

Is this a time travel situation? Ballas wasn't alive in 1999 to copy

[nova harness]

He was alive in 1999

[near rune]

Ballas made the warframes during the Old War. Excalibur was the first. Albrecht went back to 1999 after those warframes were made, and used Ballas' process to treat the victims of the Great Plague

[near rune]

We definitely don't know that

[nova harness]

The year 1999

[torpid lantern]

What source? That was eons before the events of the game

[covert tree]

No volt got it

[near rune]

Yeah, again, we don't know that at all

[nova harness]

There’s no actual Warframe timeline of dates

[torpid lantern]

Can you tell me where this info is from? I haven't found it yet

[nova harness]

No I mean Ballas

[torpid lantern]

No we don't

Ooo yeah, Ballas xD

[nova harness]

I’m tired lol

[near rune]

Excalibur's Codex entry and Albrecht's Notes about the Vessels

[torpid lantern]

Where are Albrechts notes in game?

I haven't seen these

[nova harness]

You get them from fighting whispers

[near rune]

Defeat a Mocking or Scathing Whisper and it has a 50% chance to drop a lore entry. You can read them all here: https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes

[nova harness]

Not a 100% drop chance but it’s pretty high drop chance

[torpid lantern]

Oh... ahaha that explains it. I can't fight whispers. Never will

[nova harness]

Gray gives you the info if you’re lazy

[torpid lantern]

I'm not lazy

I started over and don't have mods to fight the high level enemies

[near rune]

Whispers can be tough, both to find and to fight. Not necessarily lazy.

[torpid lantern]

Thank you Gray

[nova harness]

Gray is there any lore you don’t have on the website?

[near rune]

You should also look them up on YouTube. Hearing it in Albrecht's voice is perfection. Stefan Rudnicki is my fave voice actor in the game so far (sorry Max Howarth)

[near rune]

Lots, but small stuff people aren't likely to search. Working on it though!

[nova harness]

Gray I might’ve been hearing things but did Yonta say something about the fingers I’ve been trying to find the quote

[near rune]

Main things missing from the Orokin Archives: some Lotus mission dialogue (Hijack, etc), Fortuna bounty dialogue (there's actually tons of it), and Codex descriptions of most things. Also the Styanax anime.

[near rune]

Yup. Angels of the Zariman quest

[undone kiln]

her name AOI

[nova harness]

Knew I wasn’t hearing things I must’ve went past it each time I looked

[near rune]

There's also this line from Whispers in the Walls with a bit more info

[near rune]

Only happens once during the quest

[nova harness]

Mind explaining this in simple terms?

[near rune]

hahaha honestly the Void is what I understand the least. I think it basically means the Man in the Wall is forced to follow logical timelines and can't jump around to wherever and whenever he wants to. StallordD's video goes a lot into this, though it's just his personal interpretation of it. https://youtu.be/dpwLhr1Xdrs

(long video btw)

[nova harness]

I mean him not being allowed to jump round kinda makes sense being assumed to be trapped in the wall aka the void

[viscid quarry]

If I could time travel to modify the little joke of a shard I made to make a new benefit instead of one of the others I had I would lol

[amber terrace]

Alright, so I have a question about the Conk Creet Macrowave, Qorvex. Given that Qorvex is a warframe, Ballas had at least a hand in his creation, but Qorvex’ flavor text says that he was designed by Albrecht. Is it possible that Albrecht and Ballas collaborated to make Qorvex?

[prime lantern]

Who does max voice?

[amber terrace]

Ballas

[prime lantern]

Albrecht found ballas anatomical perfection of warframes useful and took helminth for himself

Making both the vessels and qorvex

[amber terrace]

Ah

[prime lantern]

So probably not if I had to guess

Albretchs a recluse

[amber terrace]

True

I’m trying to find where Albrecht draws the line in terms of ethics. From what we’ve seen and heard from him, he seems to be not as immoral by today’s standards as some of the Orokin we’ve met(Ballas, Nihil) or heard about(Tuvul)

[fading flame]

Ballas was uninvolved with qorvex

Albrecht was copying what Ballas was doing but trying to do his own thing with the deimos gray strain

The big golems are also basically warframes

[amber terrace]

I was under the assumption that the Deimos Gray Strain was used to make the vessels, while Qorvex was made using the Helminth strain

[fading flame]

It's not specifically that qorvex was made with the Grey strain but he's so different from other frames because he's made entirely by albrecht

[nova harness]

He was probably made before the grey strain was even on Deimos fully

Albrecht probably made it same time as the War

[prime lantern]

Whatever is necessary

With the exception of harm befalling lord

[fading flame]

Albrecht made him specifically for us

[viscid quarry]

Granted it is definetly a unique one with a I guess more cost efficient design in terms of flesh used

It’s less then the usual warframe which has a whole body where as qorvex (assuming the black ‘‘skeleton’ is technorganic in nature) has less used overall

and that’s probably due to the crucible core and whatever the hell albrecht out in him to allow the concrete to float and act as armor and the rest of the coverings for qorvex

[rain otter]

You can see the freaky flesh in the Vessels.

In some tiles.

[balmy storm]

literally infested

[tropic venture]

yes, and Albrecht left for 1999 during the Old War, which could've been before the Bio-bomb went off

[rain otter]

i mean all of the labs are tottaly untouched by infestation.

[balmy storm]

The labs are far enough underground and were sealed

Also the infested doesn’t like the void, it’s afraid of it, so it would actively avoid the labs
The strain he used being the only exception, but that’s different

[hardy wasp]

Xaku exists

[balmy storm]

What does that have to do with the labs?
Xaku uses the helminth strain, so does the vessels, the strain itself doesn’t like the void but it interacts with it since all Warframes are void powered
Xaku’s also from the void expeditions, which were not in the labs

[hardy wasp]

Fair point

How many strains are there

[nova harness]

Grey strain
Helminth Strain
Technocyte
Probably more I’m forgetting

[hardy wasp]

Technocyte is the mutalist one right?

[turbid niche]

i thougt he was mad at me? (post WITW)

[rain otter]

no that's it's own strain.

also we know a hivemind exists explictly now.

cuz of the like recap PC.

[balmy storm]

Aren’t Vome and Fass different? Or were they just a sub-strain from the grey?

[nova harness]

Vome and Fass are probably just 2 Infested part of one of the many strains

[rain otter]

they are both the grey strain even said to be sibilings.

[balmy storm]

Ik they were siblings, thought I saw they were theorized to be different strains

[rain otter]

gotcha.

[amber terrace]

Message relevant to convo in #lore-discussion
I wonder if Alad is gonna show up in Dante Unbound given that Parvos shows up

Heck, I’d even take it if Alad is tangentially mentioned in passing

[hardy wasp]

Alad 5

What even is his lore now

[viscid quarry]

Here’s the cycle, he enters deal with a faction that most certainly isn’t working towards his interests, (sometimes forcefully and sometimes he’s just being a moron) he runs afoul of the people he made the deal with or he suffers from what he made, Tenno have to bail him out either forcefully or not (or just make the investment that bad to pursue: key case being the zanuka project)

[prime lantern]

Alad v the v isn't Roman numerals

[hardy wasp]

That's the joke

We should start calling him alad 5

[prime lantern]

I've alot of people thinking the v is Roman numerals

And that alad v clones himself

[hardy wasp]

So alad 5 is orokin right?

Somewhat like ballas

[obtuse gyro]

No

Hunhow just thinks everyone human is orokin

[hardy wasp]

Ah ok

So hunhow need to be introduced to the concept of race

[calm glacier]

For some reason I keep thinking of a version of the song "For Narmer" where they sing the line "We the Narmer, We the Nameless" am I the only one

[hardy wasp]

What even is narmer

[prime lantern]

Ballas and Co faction

[hardy wasp]

Soon enough we Gon get sentient liches and their stuff is narmer gear

[calm glacier]

Ballas VRchat group

[calm glacier]

That'd actually be sick

[hardy wasp]

Fr

Infested lich coming soonish right

[calm glacier]

Any ideas on what they'll be called?

[obtuse gyro]

My bet is its any variation of zealot

[amber terrace]

If I may, is there a chronology to Alad’s continuous habit of walking onto metaphorical rakes and getting hit in the face?

[obtuse gyro]

Many

Infested, sentients, sentients again

[amber terrace]

So far I have
Alad torches Grineer Corpus relations, setting the system on fire ->
Alad messes with Tenno tech, creating Zanuka, which caused Lotus to send assassination squads after him forever ->
Alad tried to tame the Infested, gets Infested himself ->
Tries to mess with Tyl Regor’s cloning juice to cure Infestation, ends up with a pink scar on his cheek ->
During Second Dream, Alad temporarily assists the Tenno in finding Hunhow, the one choice Alad has made that didn’t immediately lead to his misfortune ->
(Could be anywhere) The acolytes start to bully Alad ->
Alad lays low for a few years while Nef Anyo takes the spotlight, causing Alad to lose favor with the Board ->
Alad stumbles into a partnership with the sentients, making Amalgam Tech ->
Alad then cashes in the Tenno owing him a favor to kill the Ropalolyst ->
The Wolf Of Saturn Six tracks down Alad, Alad then juices Wolf with sentient tech, and then Wolf breaks free ->
During the New War, Alad sells out the system to the Sentients starting with the Proxy Grid ->
Current day, unknown whereabouts

[hardy wasp]

Dante unbound -> Alad finds out about the entrati labs and hides inside

[near rune]

This is almost all accurate (very impressive honestly). A couple small corrections:
-Alad got kicked off the Board right when he started messing with Infested. Frohd Bek (Chairman of the Board) tried to kill him, Alad fought back with Infested, then the Tenno seemingly killed him (The Hunt for Alad V event). After his first "death" his Board seat was vacated. Then there's all that stuff with the Infested and Mutalist strains, ending with Alad curing himself with the Tenno's help as you've described.
-Alad cashed in his Second Dream favour to get the Tenno to fight off the Acolytes, which happened like right after TSD came out. Alad only had his favour for like a month or two, if my memory serves.
-At some point post-TSD, Alad rejoins the Corpus (this is never really explained) and rebuilds his Gas City on Jupiter.
-Alad V doesn't cash in his favour to get rid of the Ropalolyst (he already used it up); the Tenno were just there to kill the thing and Alad helped cause he also hates it.

[hardy wasp]

Alad 5 should really start messing around with more stuff I want more content

[sacred flint]

Any character needs to be doing more.

What is happening in Fortuna? Is there anything interesting going on other than heist and orb mothers? What about Cetus? Any big eidolon threats emerging lately? What about Vor? We already killed him 3 times. Tyl rigor? Vent kids? Grandmother? Quills? Steel meridian? All the other syndicates?

We never heard of them again

[graceful zodiac]

Most of them don't have anything doing or it's the same thing they're always doing

The only present unknown thing is the third Orb Mother and what Pazuul is doing

[sacred flint]

I would just like for DE to go back to some of those characters and do something fun with them

[sacred flint]

Right Pazuul. We got him and then we forget him cause the man in the wall is invading.

Which I mean I get it. Otherwise the whole universe dies.

[graceful zodiac]

We haven't forgot, we're actively combating his plan. We just don't know what it is yet

[nova harness]

I think Orb Vallis has a clue

[prime lantern]

Why would anything big with the eidolon happen

It's been dead for seemingly hundreds of years

[sacred flint]

Yea but fragments spawn continously. So maybe some other stronger fragment can suddenly spawn?

[prime lantern]

Gram gram literally had dagaths lore

Vor is currently in cahoots with wally

Vent kids are just children

[sacred flint]

If we see vor suddenly in the Deimos labs I am gonna eat my shoe

[prime lantern]

Having major events with the quills would be very out or character for them

There supposed to unnoticed and act small

There the masters of causality

They know better than anyone a tiny pebble could cause a landslide

We've also moved past the old factions as overarching threats

The only one from the old factions who could poses us issue who is alad v and his ability to be on everyone's team and parvos granuum

[calm glacier]

Kasual Kangz

[prime lantern]

What?

[viscid quarry]

Uhhh elaborate?

[weary bramble]

interesting

[rain otter]

Do you know what The Plains of Duviri book is for?

||it's to explain goes to deal with being exposed to the Void and how any extreme emotion makes conceptual embodiment happen||

Also we have all the answers for these logged on Orokin archives.

[fading flame]

Not necessarily

Given that the quills are assumed to exist in all the timelines, they could be involved in the 1999 stuff tbh

[near rune]

Uhhhhhh

Well, the Quills may exist in all timelines, but that doesn't mean they exist at all points in all timelines

I don't know that we've ever seen time-travelling abilities from the Quills

Time travel has not really been seen at all outside of 1) whatever Albrecht managed to do and 2) the Spy vaults on Lua (which isn't purposeful)

Although there are other instances of time being weird, none of it is time travel per se

[rain otter]

They can't go back in time lmao.

[amber terrace]

A question about the Quills, what are their origins? Were they basically a priest caste of the Ostrons that then spiraled into a shadowy network of individuals who all seem to know what’s gonna happen next? They seem to have a special interest in Sentient tech, even reaching out to Solaris rail agents just to extract one corpus goober and collaborating with Solaris United to get the ball rolling in killing the Profit Taker

[rain otter]

They are Chosen by the Unum.

[rain otter]

They are unum agents that are doing things to make everything go according to the best timeline and doing the unums bidding. Also seemingly the seeing Timelines thing is a ability the unum gives to people. The unum can also like go into anyone's mind. We don't know the range on that but we see it happen to Mask Child ans also ourselves in the new war.

Also every Quill we know of didn't get captured during the new war.

[amber terrace]

About the seeing different timelines bit, can this be looped back to being able to observe different points on the strand of Khra?

[rain otter]

probably.

[amber terrace]

And the process of becoming a quill is entirely random/dependent on what the Unum decides to do with you?

[rain otter]

We don't know the extent of the Unums abilites but we know why Onkko did what he did cuz it turned out better for the one he loved.

[rain otter]

we don't know. Seemingly so?

The Unum can see timelines and at least show others the timelines maybe even give them the ability to also see them and She can like do TIMESTOP like we see in the New war.

also she has the power of being gay with Gara.

[amber terrace]

Ah, so the quills exist entirely to serve the Unum and it just so happens that the Unum’s “goals” mostly line up with the Tenno’s goals?

[rain otter]

yes.

[amber terrace]

The one thing I’m still curious about is the Quill’s fascination and adeptness with Sentient tech

[rain otter]

She also Like i said was a Tenno ally during the old war and even like was with Gara her love during the fall.

[rain otter]

part of that is Unum like what she did in the old war was fight the Whole Version of the Eidolon with Gara.

she is like Old or older than the old war.

she is probably the Tenno's oldest Ally.

also the Amps and things are made of Sentient parts and stuff cuz like it's a good void conductor lmao.

like how the human body is a good electricy conductor.

[near rune]

They have access to a whole bunch of Sentient bones, and the knowledge of what to do with them. That's basically it.

[rain otter]

I mean like i said the Unum also fought Sentients actually after the Orokin Fell.

[near rune]

Well yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean you're skilled with Sentient tech. It just means you're good at fighting.

[amber terrace]

So the process of becoming a Quill is that one day you’re walking around and suddenly the Unum talks to you and gives you exclusively the knowledge you need to know for your role in the Unum’s plan, and for some Quills that just so happens to be being able to view select points in a given Strand Of Khra?

[near rune]

That seems to be it? We don't have a whole lot of insight. Onkko was working on the history of the Ostrons and the Plains, so he may have had contact with the Unum over a period of time and 'slowly' became a Quill, so to speak. But again we don't know.

[rain otter]

seems so or at least she shows them some of the strands.

but yeah I would really like to know more about the Unum. Like the section in the New War was so cool and made me want to know more.

which i think is the correct way to do lore and just games and whatever it's better to have people wanting more than not.

[near rune]

The Unum will also speak to others, non-Quills. Sometimes she may show you your future, or just a random riddle. She chooses who to speak to. People show up and throw piles of money at her and only receive silence.

[rain otter]

yeah.

people also call her the Wall i guess.

we see her talk to us and mask girl like i said.

[near rune]

Oh you mean Nakak

[weary bramble]

Reckon nakak will grow up ti be a quill?

[rain otter]

yeah.

[rain otter]

hmmm probably not. probably a leader though like Konzu.

[near rune]

Could be. She doesn't seem too happy with that idea though.
Nakak: "Is that why the Unum chose me for this? Thanks for the nightmares! Glad that's over. If you need me, I'll be under Nana's blanket with a flask of hot chimurr."

I did always find it weird that Konzu chose Nakak to be the Operational Supply vendor

[rain otter]

yeah.

[amber terrace]

If I had to wager a guess, it’s probably the fact that Nakak is immediately friendly with outsiders

[near rune]

That could be it. But she's also just a (seemingly unsupervised?) child

[amber terrace]

True

[near rune]

I forgot until now just how much cool lore there is with the Ostrons. Thanks, chat

[amber terrace]

A meta answer is that DE probably needed the Plague Star Op Supply vendor to be a vendor that usually doesn’t have a lot going on, and Nakak apparently fills that role

[near rune]

True

I was a bit disappointed in how few the Cavia were, and how there weren't that many activities to do with them. Same with the Holdfasts before them. I really liked how Cetus and Fortuna had a big group of vendors all with their own stuff going on. I think DE received the opposite feedback from most players, though, and wanted to simplify things. Sad.

But these days I don't check in with Fibonacci much*, I don't see Bird 3 at all, I check with Loid to trade Voca and maybe once in a blue moon to dissolve my Arcanes, and I see Tagfer exactly 5 times a week.
*I actually do see Fibonacci all the time, but that's for record-keeping purposes, not gameplay

[viscid quarry]

You have the entire website practically duct tapped do your head but fair

[near rune]

Haha

[weary bramble]

You mean voca not plumes

[near rune]

yup

[slender rune]

Is the drifter connected to the operator in any way

[ocean void]

Yes and no

They are same person but in different time line

One is save from the Zarimen ship while the other is abandoned

[rain otter]

nodders.

also the drifter is the one that finds Lotus' Hand in duviri and brings it back to the real WOrld and thus we get Flower lotus and then she regrows lmao.

[slender rune]

Ok I haven't reached that part

[rain otter]

What part are you at?

Also if you played the Duviri quest you know everything except the flower part.

[tropic venture]

They're the same person

[prime lantern]

From what I can tell

[tropic venture]

Warframe doesn't really function on direct "parallel timelines/multiverses" as directly as a lot of other media does

[prime lantern]

Drifter is a product of your deal with the man in the wall wally got rid of a whole bunch of you (infinite -2) for reasons but kept Drifter because 4d cheating

[prime lantern]

I mean warframes cosmology is just a textbook tegmark type 3 multiverse

Which is what most media uses for a multiverse

[tropic venture]

it appears to me that since the Zariman that returned with the Tenno was fully pristine and clearly somehow "different" from the one that left, the Drifter is the "us" that was left on the "original" Zariman which would later return with the Holdfasts

[prime lantern]

Or rather wally got rid of everyone but you and then because 4d cheating brought Drifter back

Unrealized Drifter and then utilizing the zariman to re realize him

[prime lantern]

Or better known as many worlds multiverse

[nova harness]

I can save them all of them

Drifter was one of them

[tropic venture]

yeah Wally seems to have some level of precognition, like how he showed us Ballas and such before the New War cause he knew Ballas would become desperate and open Void gates

[prime lantern]

Well yea he has precog

[tropic venture]

More referring to the other Zariman children, since they also got Void powers

[prime lantern]

He's 4d he can swim in whatever direction on the river of time

So just like go 5 minutes foward and 5 minutes back and now you know the next 5 minutes

[obtuse gyro]

drifter wasnt them

I can save all of them, I didnt say I'd save you

[tropic venture]

I do wonder if "the direction we cannot point to" is like directly the Void or some other abstract afterlife

[prime lantern]

The existence of wfs eternalism seems to mean that our universe is inherently deterministic

All events are predetermined to happen as they are

[nova harness]

That can refer to both Drifter and Operator

He didn’t say he would save either

[prime lantern]

What's the rest of the context?

[tropic venture]

Because events do not happen linearly in an order, they all happen together

[obtuse gyro]

except only one of them was objectively counted as saved lmao

[prime lantern]

It could be the thing I just learned about

[tropic venture]

it's mentioned by Liches about where they went before being revived by the Kuva, and Nora mentions it when talking about people who've passed away

[prime lantern]

Hmmmm

It could be higher dimensionality

Just a 4th basis vector

[tropic venture]

"It is a sunless place, in a direction you cannot point to"

"Gods and ghosts, looking on from a place we cannot point to"

[prime lantern]

Hmmm

I'm leaning towards a 4th secret basis vector rather than just metaphorical jumbo

[tropic venture]

It seems to be at least Void connected, since Kuva could bring the Liches back from it, and Requiem mods can be used to sever their connection to it

[prime lantern]

Metaphors arnt my thing

[prime lantern]

This means this place is to us is what 3d is to 2d

[rain otter]

The drifter and Operators timelines are also werid cuz it seems the mitw like destoryed all our verisons of us except the drifter and operator. @tropic venture

also also

the Unum can see timelines

why can she and what are her powers? WE DONT KNOW. she has TIME POWERS AND CAN BE IN PEOPLES HEADS?

SHE WAS GAY WITH GARA? that's all we know.

[tropic venture]

the Unum's "temple Kuva" is also blue, not red

[rain otter]

no

they have both we haven't seen blue since the story.

[tropic venture]

I wish I was a warrior girl with an omnipotent psychic gf

[rain otter]

also the Quills are the most successful faction in warframe.

[prime lantern]

Omniscient

[rain otter]

they didn't even get caught by Narmer.

[prime lantern]

Unum is not all powerful

She just knows things

Lots of em

[rain otter]

we don't know. She is seeminly very very powerful.

[tropic venture]

ah yeah, I mix them up sometimes

[rain otter]

The Quills and thus the unum being behind everything is very funny though.

not even the tenno can prevent and make things happen like the Quills and their opretives can.

[tropic venture]

yeah, they're really playing 4D chess

[rain otter]

i love how little duck is like "Sup need some help?" during the new war lmao.

[nova harness]

She helped a random stranger

[tropic venture]

yeah, I meant how the "Temple Kuva" we see in TNW is blue, which is the only time we've directly seen blue Kuva in-game

[tropic venture]

a random, weirdly familiar-looking stranger

[rain otter]

"Random"

I think its implied she knows.

[tropic venture]

well, she does notice Drifter being similar

[rain otter]

She has Quill contacts and Onkko knows its us even when e are the Drifter.

[nova harness]

Does Lotus know her kid got a brother?

[tropic venture]

"Say, you weren't in with the Tenno back in the day, were you?"
"Something like that"

[tropic venture]

we had no siblings, only-child

[nova harness]

Does Lotus know there’s a new taller kid?

[tropic venture]

well, yes, Drifter interacted with her in TNW

...did your friend play it for you or something?

[nova harness]

Some characters seem to not know

[tropic venture]

yes, Konzu at first just worries how long he's been veiled
"Ai-yo... has it been so long?"

but why would Lotus not know

Her attacking the Drifter is the climax right before Drifter and Operator get fully linked again, giving Drifter the Void powers

and Drifter/Operator talk to her as one at the end of TNW

[rain otter]

I love the Drifter calling Lotus "Lady" lmao.

Also the Lotus was with the Drifter in Duviri.

[tropic venture]

yeah, that's what the Guiding hand is

[rain otter]

As a hand but the Drifter is the one that like found her and she helped then escape and the Drifter nurses her back to health.

Cuz that's what you do to like a hand that helped you escape a hell dimension I guess.

[tropic venture]

yeah, Ballas chopped of Lotus' hand, then stabs Operator, "You can't kill the Devil, Tenno. But you can send it back to Hell."
Drifter's execution is interrupted by them being stabbed by an ethereal Paracesis, and a voice echoes "You can't kill the Devil...", and in comes crashing Lotus' hand

[rain otter]

The operator is trapped in the Void. Which is a funny way to deal with us.

[tropic venture]

I assume Teshin helped us, since he dropped into Duviri at the same time as Lotus did (but he arrived much much before she did)

[tropic venture]

yeah, like, Ballas knows the Tenno can't really die, so he's just locking them away

[rain otter]

Yee.

Still super funny we regrew Lotus from her hand. Like a starfish.

[tropic venture]

hence why he's so pissed when he notices they're somehow back

[rain otter]

He's more pissed that like we are back but he can't controll us.

But yeah.

[tropic venture]

yeah, his control over everyone else doesn't matter to him, cause he believes they all "wanted" that control deep-down anyways

[nova harness]

Somehow Tenno has returned

[rain otter]

anyway Starfish lotus

is an image you will now have to think about.

[tropic venture]

(Seeing Kaithe) They ride now?
They ride now.

[cyan crest]

not the only starfish related thing in the quest giving the face hugging mind control devices

[rain otter]

lul

[rain otter]

THEY ALWAYS RODE

[tropic venture]

well our warframe did princess-carry us in The Second Dream

[rain otter]

we also have had k-drives for a while.

[undone lodge]

Dargyn

[cyan crest]

do archwings count?

[nova harness]

Yes

[tropic venture]

well we don't really ride them per se

[rain otter]

nerd

using phrases like per se.

[cyan crest]

lmao

if we stretch the definition enough we can count the landing craft

[tropic venture]

ok I really shouldn't make a joke about the word choice of stretch here considering the subject

[cyan crest]

of riding? what would- oh

[nova harness]

Archwings are us becoming Buzz Lightyear successfully

[viscid quarry]

How did such swings in conversation equal to… this

[slender rune]

I'm not at the New war and I just started the prequel to war

[tropic venture]

yeah Duviri is available really early but it was released after TNW and is "meant" to be played after it

[slender rune]

Well I didn't know that

[flat shadow]

Not really. They were experimenting with it as an alternative beginning for new players.

[outer bay]

Are there any interesting differences in how tnw plays out depending on whether you pick the operator or the drifter?

[covert tree]

No it's just age

Drifter might have there gun I'm not sure

[nova harness]

Duviri is set before TNW they can be played interchangeably tho

[obtuse gyro]

Only dialogue wise, the main plot points of TNW play out the exact same

[viscid quarry]

You forgot drifter tripping when he first enters the wf while operator flexes hard

[weary bramble]

Drifter gets the amp

[covert tree]

Ah k

[weary bramble]

And all transference powers the operator had equipped

[fiery surge]

Drifter gets trippy in a Warframe

Operator sees it as a cool suit

The new war is a fever dream to me.
Dying to some Orokin prick, then sent to a Ship that seems familiar. Before meeting taller me, having a drink and suddenly teleported back to Warframe.

And taller me had to go through an entirely different game of horses, guns and dual swords. Then trying to save the world by removing Dream Masks off from people and avoiding floating ghosts with stupidly unpredictable detection. Just to feed a dying mom rock candy.

All while barely escaping Alive with a Bow from a spine from a giant space crab robot with a dark Excalibur with a scythe.

Just to stop a orokin who took over the world with a stupid red circles and stole the last jolly rancher in Warframe.

[prime lantern]

The last jolly rancher

[viscid quarry]

Ok well when you say it like that it kinda sounds like a acid trip but I assure you it definetly makes more sense then just all of a sudden you lost

[viscid quarry]

Oh no! Lemme pull out my pristine jolly rancher straight out of the dark abyss of the average New York couch

[fiery surge]

For operator me: it was an mild inconvenience to die and get sent to a zairman ship while waiting for the respawn timer to tick down.

For drifter me: everything happens to try to save the world, and collect the three jolly ranchers to save space mom.

[viscid quarry]

And then of course our little friend shows up to hand mum her electric bill

[fiery surge]

This is why Balls-a cannot be permitted to throw portals

[viscid quarry]

Ok let’s just conveniently forget grandma eating the sun

[fiery surge]

"I should've stayed in Duviri"

-Drifter

At least Vay Hek can laugh since he technically got his wish of seeing the lotus into the sun

[nova harness]

Nah to hand her her notice that’s she’s due in court for child abandonment and for not paying child support

[viscid quarry]

Hmmmm Both, both is good

[hidden glacier]

i can help me for obtain on wu kong?

sorry if I said it wrong, I don't know much English

[viscid quarry]

go to #1197322290166251680

better advice as this is spoiler chat

[amber terrace]

Even though you were directed to go to #1197322290166251680 , the answer you seek is that you’re going to want to be in a clan that has Wukong researched. Most clans should have Wukong fully researched. And as for his Prime, you’re gonna have to wait for him to show up in Prime Resurgence: )

[sacred flint]

That… that pretty much sums it up

[rain otter]

Have you played Duviri?

[sacred flint]

I want another drifter quest

Cause we have no context to the things happening in duviri and the things happening in TNW

Like how did they get there

In duviri they know nothing and in TNw they know everything

[rain otter]

They are in Duviri cuz they never got rescued.

Like you know how the operator got Rescued cuz the Zariman came out of the void?

That never happened to the Drifter.

@sacred flint also the Duviri quest while not explicitly saying the Lotus hand is like how we got back lotus after lotus and the operator where thrown into the Void. Like the Drifter gets out of the Void and is found by Ordis then the part of the new war where we Play as the Drifter happens.

[sacred flint]

Nah I know why they are in duviri

I was just asking how they came from duviri to TNW

Like how did they get to that point

[real niche]

Drifter stuck in Duviri, The Duviri Paradox quest happens, they leave, ??????, their part in TNW starts.

That's what we've got

[tropic venture]

yeah

They got to Origin via the Zariman, since it's technically there as well as in Duviri

Teshin maybe helped them with getting Natah too, since he knows her since before

[cyan crest]

esa boca, you can’t swear here

[covert tree]

I hope we get more stalker info in future "dlc"/updates

[viscid quarry]

Wait how come he gets to avoid loid lol

It appears I now know which language to abuse

[cyan crest]

lol

[viscid quarry]

Finally no loid will stop meeeeee

Oh right the rules regarding English only

[craggy solstice]

[viscid quarry]

I assure you I will not be abusing this knowledge

[nova harness]

Loid only knows one language confirmed

[pastel kite]

Doing new war quest When am I going to get my Tenno back ???

Them ballas music be crazy

[obtuse gyro]

well, carry on with the quest and youll find out

[pastel kite]

Aight aight

[nova harness]

You might not want them back

[viscid quarry]

He lacks skill and sucks but we already know that

[fiery surge]

Yes

The Quest while New War is happening

And ironically we saved operator me and also saved drifter me also

It's a weird paradox

It's like Curing Cancer with Cancer

One second balls cuts off hands from space mom.

Another second should do a cutaway of the hand landing in duviri like a meteor

[digital hearth]

Why did discord send me a notification about people talking about language abuse here? lol

[nova harness]

Because they want to let you know it’s against the rules without telling you

[digital hearth]

Ah I see.

[nova harness]

YouTube thinks Warframe is Destiny

[pastel kite]

Finally beat the wolf archon 😭😭😭

[viscid quarry]

Haha… ignore it

[pastel kite]

Nira serpent archon is ez

[fiery surge]

It has a big headshot hitbox

[viscid quarry]

Honestly for me I’d say boreal or amar is the easiest (well I fought boreal as drifter but amar suffered the warframe deletion experience)

[prime lantern]

How?

[nova harness]

The info for a vid said Destiny 2 on a Warframe video

[prime lantern]

The vid mightve mentioned d2

[viscid quarry]

I’ve seen times where a halo vid is listed in YouTube as guild wars 2… it’s not too surprising to assume that

[balmy storm]

I saw a splatoon 3 video where it thought it was disney infinity-
The algorithm truly knows nothing

[tiny knot]

Friend just finished New War

He said he was distracted by "his clone on the wall, laughing"

And I said "yeah, the clone, let's use that for simplicity's sake for now"

[copper geyser]

Has anyone else stumbled across this? It looks like one of loids phone-thingys. Its ringing constantly but I cant figure out a way to interact with it and pick up the call 🤔 Its laying on the ground in the "outside" area in sanctum anatomica

[tiny knot]

Pambo, how old are you

[obtuse gyro]

the text on its been translated already, its just saying appointment dec 1999

[tiny knot]

That's not what they're asking Bau

[obtuse gyro]

defo late gen z

[tiny knot]

But yes, we've all stumbled onto it

[obtuse gyro]

I'm doing this little thing where I skip to the bit of whats special about the thing

[tiny knot]

Ah, yes, fair enough

You think he's looked either up or down?

[obtuse gyro]

nope

[tiny knot]

Definitely not

[copper geyser]

Thanks, very interesting.
I'm not gonna bother responding to the rest 🤷

[tiny knot]

Go look down

[obtuse gyro]

but have you looked up tho

[copper geyser]

I did^

[tiny knot]

and down?

Down is the really fun one

[copper geyser]

you mean the globe? Or the silhouettes in the clouds?

[viscid quarry]

I’m fairly certain even that part of the generation can tell what a flip phone is

[obtuse gyro]

sir that is a pager

[viscid quarry]

….. ok welp fair enough loid

[viscid quarry]

Welp my memory is getting these days

[obtuse gyro]

Yea so I didnt even see a pager in use in my life and Im one of the earlier gen Z, meaning anyone past me most likely has never seen one

[tiny knot]

Tbf I have. 2000

[obtuse gyro]

In use? Because I've seen pagers, just that by the time I was old enough to say the word itself they were effectively obsolete

[velvet wing]

TBF you don't need to have been born when X technology was in use to know what it was, there are tons of examples of older technology used in various forms of media that people still enjoy today, like Warframe for example!

[cyan crest]

what in the world is a pager

[near rune]

It's basically a device that can only send and receive simple text messages. Some pagers only receive messages and can't send. In the old days you'd page someone a phone number (like a nearby pay phone) and they'd go find a phone and call you at that number. That's how you'd communicate when you're out and about before cell phones.

[nova harness]

Nowadays only hospitals use them

Mobile phones kinda took their place

[near rune]

Yeah the function of text messaging is done by normal phones these days. Pagers use a different networks than cell networks though, so they can be more reliable, which is why hospitals, emergency services, and the like continue to use them for critical messaging.

[cyan crest]

i see

[onyx storm]

ARCHON SHARD BOOSTER PACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Submitting my request!!!!!!!!!

[nova harness]

Huh?

[near rune]

ARCHON SHARD IN BIO

[onyx storm]

like they should bring them to the table haha

im requesting it

[viscid quarry]

Tf

[rain otter]

I mean in March we are getting the 3 Normal shards makes a Tau thing.

[cyan crest]

LMAO

[near rune]

If "booster packs" means a lootbox you buy with Platinum, I would say I'm against that

[nova harness]

Tauforged

[rain otter]

Yep.

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes time to steal another grey archon shard (it’s too funny to let go for me)

[balmy storm]

They changed it from 4 to 3??
This is amazing

[rain otter]

Yep. It was in the um last dev stream.

I assume it was a common piece of feedback.

Also DE has now put in both Ways I thought they could fix Shards and fighting Archons isn't annoying anymore. @balmy storm

So like everything is coming up Millhouse.

[balmy storm]

me running to the new update as fast as possible

(I’m excited)

[rain otter]

Lmao.

I just I remember all the problems I had with Archon Hunts when they first came out and how I said like "it's still really good I just want these fixes" and even before this update comes out we have literally all of the fixes I wanted and then now this update will give me also my original idea for hos to fix Taus. Cuz I thought they could do like the Pity System or Trade 3 normals for Tau and now we will have both lmao.

[balmy storm]

I love this game

I’m happy my new player friends will have an easier time than I did when they get to the Archons

[rain otter]

Yeah they are bosses for like

Normal people now.

[balmy storm]

As they should be

They aren’t “end game” anymore and since they were a weekly thing they shoulda been normal bosses anyway

[rain otter]

@balmy storm oh did you see the game mode Pablo showed in the dev stream?

[balmy storm]

I did not

[rain otter]

Cuz that feels like endgame content tbh.

[balmy storm]

I was eepin during the stream unfortunately

[viscid quarry]

Deep Archimedea?

[rain otter]

Oh it's a thing he's been working on for like 2 years?

[balmy storm]

WHAT

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[viscid quarry]

Ah that

[balmy storm]

I saw it was more difficult with guaranteed legendary arcanes

And you get to pick the difficulty so you build your own endgame

[viscid quarry]

Well lemme explain: basically there’s three high level missions but here’s the twist: you can’t swap weapons or anything between mission as you have to play them back to back

[rain otter]

Also you get a specific like choice of frames.

[balmy storm]

[rain otter]

People have suggested something like this for a long time tbh.

[viscid quarry]

Certain frames and weapons give more research points which determines the reward and it costs 2 keys of necravault to play

[balmy storm]

now if they could just remove slots…

[viscid quarry]

Oh right and it’s unlocked at r5 cavia

[rain otter]

Yee

[viscid quarry]

The closest we got to like say a dungeon or raid rn

[rain otter]

Yee

[viscid quarry]

Hell idr if it’s sp or not

[balmy storm]

Play Caliban with nothin but the Stug for the best rewards

[viscid quarry]

But I do know know that the rewards are amazing with a guaranteed arcane iirc

[balmy storm]

I saw it’s level 300+ I think?
But with added modifiers to make it even more difficult so basically sp

[viscid quarry]

One: you get three items from each slot that can have extra points

[rain otter]

But yeah this kind of game mode has been suggested before

[viscid quarry]

And two: Calvin’s is useless but stug is inmortal

[rain otter]

As like a endgame thing to do.

[viscid quarry]

We are so done for

[balmy storm]

I couldn’t think of a bad primary or melee
Uh
Ghoulsaw

[viscid quarry]

Three missions with the one loadout you went in with

[balmy storm]

Stug Incarnon when (it doesn’t change)

[viscid quarry]

Cronus

[balmy storm]

I built that thing by accident recently

[viscid quarry]

Ye who lacks faith; all know that when it’s holiness arrives RNGESUS shall bestow us a fraction of the strength that comes with the left hand weapon of RNGESUS

[rain otter]

Oh also the Inaros rework looks good. It is inaros but better.

[viscid quarry]

Yeah it sucks badly

[rain otter]

And with a better passive that does something.

[viscid quarry]

Meanwhile Caliban being forgotten as it should be

[balmy storm]

I saw!
I like how they’re just giving him Sevagoth’s passive but lesser and punch only

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

Caliban rework whenever we go to Tau (never)

[viscid quarry]

Not even then

Since Caliban is the bastard child of a paperclip and a ball pen that was dropped down the stairs accidentally and received medical care in Nicaragua, he will never be useful

[balmy storm]

Caliban actually pulled a big brain move, by adapting to be the worst frame NOBODY will play him and thus his survivability increases 100000%

[viscid quarry]

Until he realizes that it makes him the target of the helminth users and 100% players

Oh right and recycling plants

[balmy storm]

He misplayed oopsie

[viscid quarry]

It doesn’t help that’s he’s a bastard (as In fatherless)

[desert cargo]

So question, what exactly are the acolytes? Are they literally just edgy tenno that support the stalker, is there more to it, or is it to be revealed at a later date?

[rain otter]

We don't know much about the Stalker and we know less about the acolytes.

[desert cargo]

Perfect.

[wraith eagle]

There's an entire system full of people who hate or dislike the tenno, easy recruiting ground for the Stalker. Whom we know enough about.

[tropic venture]

well, seeing as how Stalker was originally a part of the "low guard" and he has an Excalibur model, the helmet + colours might just be what the Low Guards warframes' "uniform", so the ones who follow him thus adopt that look too

[covert tree]

I'd just love an actual dlc focused on stalker I know it'll happen eventually because he seems so interesting

[tropic venture]

Any sort of info on what Hunhow and Shadow are doing post-TNW would be great

[covert tree]

Did new war stalker was quite a small part

[tropic venture]

If we do get a quest, then even if we don't get a fully playable Stalker, they could make it so the Stalker "lich-esque" revive during TNW is a permanent thing

[warm anvil]

you can play as stalker in duviri btw

[tropic venture]

I know

[warm anvil]

alr

[tropic venture]

which is why many people want a full-time playable stalker if we get a quest about him

[covert tree]

If they do he'd need a better move set the one he's got is just not unique

[tropic venture]

yeah his current is all slightly altered versions of existing abilities

well "current", it's what he's always had

I do like how the showcase videos show him using them on other warframes instead of normal enemies

[desert cargo]

Most of his current abilities are just upgraded versions of existing abilities, like getting 300% crit boosted while invisible. More than anything, I want to scan the original stalker since it's not available post Second Dream.

[tropic venture]

yeah, only way to get him after TSD is to have someone pre-TSD in your squad get him

[fiery surge]

I want to imagine the coolest fight in Warframe:
Three Tenno vs All 3 Archons at the same place.

And all 3 Archons are at their Showdown version, not the neutered quest version

Rhino Prime, Mag Prime and Loki Prime VS All 3 Archons

"Does head replacement nerfs the frames that holds the head?"

[rain otter]

No. Also Archon Hunts are now for normal people. Well it's still a harder fight but they just don't have the annoying DR now. They still have DR but you can just chunk um down with literally any weapon.

[rain otter]

@torpid lantern hey

Tagfer Plush is officially up after the Bird 3 Thing and the Fib Plush both got funded. @torpid lantern I thought you might wanna know.

The 3 little guys.

[viscid quarry]

Why tf does the bird 3 plush looks like he ate too much one day

[rain otter]

he is SO CUTE

lmao.

[fiery surge]

Loid Plushie

[rain otter]

I mean

i would take it. I just mainly wanted the 3 thought and that makes me happy.

[viscid quarry]

While I prefer tagfer the best of all cavia (bird 3 is equal but tagfer seems the most human) bird 3 has the better plush

[viscid quarry]

I’d take the necraloid plus as I fear loid plush is too cursed

[rain otter]

lul

[viscid quarry]

Hell tagfer plus looks like a regular person sitting wierdly with no pants and a shirt if you forget the head

And the fish is just god awful

[fiery surge]

Mr Tagfer
Fish-a-gnocci
Bird 3 (the sequel)

Mr. Loid

Necraloid: Loid Jr.

[nova harness]

I wanna see Loid vs Loid in a fight

I know Loid will win but

Yes

[fiery surge]

Mr Loid vs Loid Jr.

Somehow Necraloid managed to suppress Otak of all things in the entire quest

Otherwise I wonder how did Necraloid managed to hide Otak away from the entire Entrati lab?

[rain otter]

Not suppress the Void Being werid made Otak sleep for a While basically.

There where a Lotta like pre release like "teasers" that had lore stuff in it. They where all Nova Broadcasts. One was miners being taken over by the void and all mining towards Deimos one was Latrxo And how the infestation was adapting to try to be ignored by the Void and the last one was Loid talking about Otak Had Gone Silent. @fiery surge

[fiery surge]

Makes sense

[rain otter]

I think they are all still on the site

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcript-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-unknown-vessel

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcription-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-try-again-slick

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcription-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-critical-error

@fiery surge Here are the 3 of um order if you want them

[viscid quarry]

Idk I’d say loid wins

[woeful jacinth]

Imagine Necraloid using a necramech body

[viscid quarry]

he just summons the power of the british or necramites

[covert tree]

Is there a lore reason why the helminth won't let me in while I'm in operator/drifter form I do own the helminth

[rain otter]

do you have the helminth segment from Diemos? also it's cuz your frame is made of helminth so it opens for them. also if you don't have the Diemos Helminth segment only nidus and frames effected with the like tumor can go in.

you can go in when the door is opened by your frame and the helminth will have unique dialog. it calls you a demon and then when you get the segment it like says "I MADE A DEAL WITH THIS DEMON" like you feed it and lets you use its powers.

[covert tree]

I know I own it

Also thanks for the explanation it makes sense and I can just let my operator in bit meh who uses operator when there in there orbiter

[rain otter]

You can use Drifter

they have the same reaction. i just still say operator lmao.

you just got get the frame close so they door is open

[covert tree]

I know that I was wearing drifter in the first screen shot

[rain otter]

and then walk in with your tenno.

drifter or Op.

[covert tree]

I know that

I was asking why my warframe had to hold the door

[rain otter]

OH i thought you thought that you needed to be the operator.

you do not.

[fiery surge]

Helminth sees us as demons

Orokin sees us as demons

What's next, they're going to make a connection that wally is their equivalent of Satan?

[covert tree]

But he is

[nova harness]

Albrecht demon too

[toxic bone]

a new warframe player entering a chat asking where the anvil is and getting answered with this article eventually goes clinically insane after 5 hours of reading the whole page in one go

[twin galleon]

This guy counts as spoilers. Is umbra the best warframe for railjack defense since he stays sentient while you nechramech

[covert tree]

Just killed my lich didn't drop the gun

Ope nvm

[nova harness]

On Railjack section it before?

[covert tree]

I did railjack I just had to go back to my camp also is hind good?

[nova harness]

Imo it is

[covert tree]

I can agree

Now I need a new lich

[magic summit]

Helminth sees as a food provider

[rain otter]

both

Espeacillay after we use the helminth segment on them.

[pallid plover]

@worthy walrus Lotus is a sentient, Natah, who was sent to the Sol System to infiltrate the Tenno and betray them. She did not do this.
This was revealed to us in the quest Natah

[worthy walrus]

still confused

she has a dad who is bad?

[pallid plover]

yes, Hunhow, who we met in Natah also

[warm anvil]

yuivero don't click on this
|| was it also revealed that hunhow was only using the sword to speak through and it's not actually him? or is that later on ||

@pallid plover

i just want confirmation before i tell yui

[obtuse gyro]

Hunhow is most definitely not the sword lmao

[warm anvil]

i remeber being confused the first time i played it

[pallid plover]

yeah

[rain otter]

I mean

he kinda was. it was a Piece of him.

there are a lot of pieces of him.

[obtuse gyro]

are you your toe?

[rain otter]

My toe can't talk.

if i could cut my toe off and speak through it MAYBE.

[warm anvil]

he tends to get around

[rain otter]

we get Lotus's arm and then regrow her from her arm.

[obtuse gyro]

doesnt work like that

[rain otter]

like Is she not her?

[obtuse gyro]

are you your mouth? or do you just speak through it?

[rain otter]

I am not a Starfish like sentients are.

[obtuse gyro]

them being a starfish doesnt change that hunhow is not the sword

[warm anvil]

space starfish

[obtuse gyro]

the sword is part of him but his is not the sword

[rain otter]

what do we say about ||Lotus's Arm we regrow her from ||then?

[obtuse gyro]

Non-comparison

Unless you give me eidolon hunhow's right butt cheek and regrow him from there, I dont think comparing War to the actual arm of the main body sentient is valid

[rain otter]

fair.

SO WE GOTTA GET A PIECE OF HUNHOW

[obtuse gyro]

The Stalker's sword as bestowed to him by the Sentient Hunhow.
Additionally this is War's description, so like, I dont think we can even call it a major/significant part of hunhow

[warm anvil]

he popped a pimple and the sword came out

[weary bramble]

wonder what "VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?" means

[prime field]

something something truth something, void child

[obtuse gyro]

Mara is not confirmed to translate into child

[prime field]

no, but it may as well be a good placeholder

[obtuse gyro]

not much backing to it

same goes for thinking Mara translates to demon

[prime field]

Tagfer yells it at you to get your attention, so anything that describes the operator is a good placeholder

child, demon, whatever

[obtuse gyro]

which is why Im extremely hesitant to label it under child nor demon

[prime field]

I'm the opposite lol

[obtuse gyro]

because there are still many other descriptors that fit not only the operator but also the Drifter

[prime field]

like demon and child, because even when you grow up you're still a kid to somebody

Wally still calls you kid even when you're the Drifter

[obtuse gyro]

it could mean demon, it could mean child, it could mean manifestation, there are many descriptors that fit the Operator/Drifter, that is why I am far from comfortable

[obtuse gyro]

because he's copying your dad, of which both op and drifter have the same one

he's not calling you kiddo because youre a child, he's calling your kiddo because your dad called you kiddo

the same way he called albrecht little bengel

[prime field]

it's been a long time since I played wherever we hear the Operator's father, I'm gonna assume Second Dream

[obtuse gyro]

yep

[weary bramble]

assumed he called us kiddo because he is infinitely older than us

[obtuse gyro]

no he's really just copying your dad

he's scrolled your brain and found that one endearing nickname

[prime field]

but just because he's mimicking the Operator's father doesn't mean he's not calling you "void kid" when speaking in Void tongue

[obtuse gyro]

but it also means that using "he's called us kiddo" is not evidence for it

[prime field]

no it means none of it's evidence either way in your way of thinking

[obtuse gyro]

because that wouldnt apply to tagfer, who is staring at a warframe and not a child

[prime field]

the Cavia animals knew what a Tenno was

[obtuse gyro]

which brings us back to why I think its not comfortable to attach a word to Mara yet

[prime field]

and I still disagree, so... 🤷

[obtuse gyro]

I mean like feel free, just know that we both agree that you dont have sufficient evidence to determine the meaning of mara beyond "might be referring to operator/drifter"

[prime field]

and we both agree you don't have sufficient evidence to completely dismiss it, glad we're agreed

[weary bramble]

creatively, Wally is very good eldritch horror

very well made so far

[obtuse gyro]

the problem here is that our stances are very different. You need to prove that thats what mara means, because theres no meaning attached to it. You have insufficient evidence to even attempt that. My stance is that we have insufficient evidence to determine a meaning.

I dont need to prove that it doesnt mean mara, but you need to prove it, which you cant

I'm not saying it doesnt mean child, Im saying you cannot prove it

[prime field]

but I'm not trying to prove it, nor do I want to. I'm fine with using it as a placeholder that makes sense, when we know Wally is asking a question thanks to subtitles, and it's a 50/50 that it has to be some kind of descriptor/name.

gonna pretend for now he's asking, "??? truth, void child?" and I'm gonna keep assuming mara means child because of Tagfer hollering it at us, because he and Fishonachi and I maybe even Bird 3 knew what a Tenno was, and I'm pretty sure they weren't in the room when NecraLoid told Loid-Loid that we're Tenno, which Loid still had no idea what that was, he was literally in stasis

[obtuse gyro]

I dont know if they even know what the Tenno actually is

because none of them were around to type out the stuff on the computer

Loid most likely knew of warframes, since he was the one who was liasing research on Archon Shards, which yknow, part of the thing was in a warframe, and his boo, literally designed the Vessel out of the helminth and gray strain

And knowing that basic foot soldiers have heard rumours of the tenno, but only then conflating that with the warframe

I dont think Loid, or the Cavia were immediately aware of the "this is a child" thing

[prime field]

Loid definitely didn't know. I think the Cavia did, considering they were literally in the Void where either the void itself or Wally was the one to mess with them. They probably picked up more than just the ability to have PTSD.

[obtuse gyro]

I think the Cavia did, considering they were literally in the Void where either the void itself or Wally was the one to mess with them.
But why would this let them know there is a child controling the frame from a great distance away?

[prime field]

Why wouldn't it? You have noticed the ridiculous amount of weird crap that happens to anyone and anything exposed directly to the Void, yes? Why wouldn't they have gained knowledge about other things? Why was Fishonacci so sure Wally didn't want them to be able to speak? Presumably he's still trying to shut them up/take over the lab, even after Fibonacci was able to tattle on Loid over the final piece of the grimoire. Why isn't knowledge of the Tenno, someone who's also had direct contact with the void, something they could have been given when they were changed too?

[weary bramble]

The cavia are conteptually embodied the same way in which the holdfasts are right

[obtuse gyro]

no

The cavia are still using their original bodies, very similar to us

but unlike us, they've died, like the holdfasts

[prime lantern]

That's an appeal to ignorance

[prime field]

that's me putting a guess to what "mara" means based on evidence that "mara lohk" is likely a name in void tongue to refer to the Operator/Drifter, given to them by Wally, and also used by Tagfer

[obtuse gyro]

Why wouldn't it? You have noticed the ridiculous amount of weird crap that happens to anyone and anything exposed directly to the Void, yes? Why wouldn't they have gained knowledge about other things?
Because out of all the previous cases of "void exposure" sudden innate knowledge of another void touched being has never been seen before. All the weird stuff has happened, all those people exposed and made out of the void and none of them have displayed such intimate knowledge of the tenno before. Not even the holdfasts, who only knew us because they rescued the Drifter/Operator after the drive knocked out our transference, and that we were also from the zariman

Why was Fishonacci so sure Wally didn't want them to be able to speak? Presumably he's still trying to shut them up/take over the lab, even after Fibonacci was able to tattle on Loid over the final piece of the grimoire. Why isn't knowledge of the Tenno, someone who's also had direct contact with the void, something they could have been given when they were changed too?
I dont see the comparison between "Fib stating a possible event where the Murmur take over the labs and subsequent results" versus "suddenly gaining intimate and innate knowledge of the tenno"
Fib can easily reason what might happen if the Murmur reach them in the Sanctum, something that within the area where he goes "Allow me to boil this down for you: should the Indifference's corrupting touch reach us and take back our speech? We would be screwed." he also mentions, shown in "Arousing as I'm sure this is for you, the rest of us are moments away from an extinction grim, black, and FINAL! So. If you would be so kind. Finish up. So I can point you toward that sodding page."

furthermore, The cavia, and thus fib, are fully aware that Wally gave them speech, and thus fib would understandably be very worried if Wally's goons came around and removed that "gift" from fib, something that the yapper evidently doesnt want

[prime lantern]

Saying "well you can't prove me wrong" as evidence is an appeal to ignorance

Flying spaghetti monster

[obtuse gyro]

without precedence, and without the sharpness of occams razor, I dont find it convincing to believe that the Cavia would know that the Tenno are specifically Children because they somehow gained that knowledge because Wally made them smart enough to understand him

[prime field]

They literally cannot tell me I'm wrong. It's ALL speculation until we get more confirmed translations, which is the point of discussion of context clues and other hints given. It's to have fun guessing. Wally is asking some kind of question when he says, "Voull ne TRUTH vok, mara VOID?" It's not out of the realm of possibility that "mara lohk" is a name for the Operator/Drifter. We're literally a void child. He calls us kiddo (even if he's just mimicking our father). Tagfer yells it at us to get our attention. That's why I think it means "child", and it doesn't matter if someone else doesn't agree, because all it is is some guesswork based on a few other context clues until the writers finally fill it in some more for us.

[obtuse gyro]

Mind you I have never told you that you were wrong

[prime field]

You've sure been coming across that way, regardless.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, I apologize if thats what you got, but if you look back at:

Mara is not confirmed to translate into child
not much backing to it
same goes for thinking Mara translates to demon

which is why Im extremely hesitant to label it under child nor demon
because there are still many other descriptors that fit not only the operator but also the Drifter

but it also means that using "he's called us kiddo" is not evidence for it

which brings us back to why I think its not comfortable to attach a word to Mara yet

I'm not saying it doesnt mean child, Im saying you cannot prove it

None of these say "Youre wrong about it being child"

[prime lantern]

I'm right because you can not prove I'm wrong

[prime field]

I don't think I was ever trying to say I'm 100% right either, so why would I need to prove anything. I said I think it's fine to use it as a placeholder for the meaning of "mara".

[prime lantern]

Now in the distance between the earth and the sun there is a teapot belonging to a Mr Russell it is so small not even the hubble telescope could find it

Tell me do I have to provide some evidence that the teapot exists or does someone have to prove it doesn't

[prime field]

You know what, yeah. Gimme some evidence, bud.

[prime lantern]

But you don't have evidence I'm wrong

After all the teapot is to small to ever be located

[prime field]

I don't have evidence you're right either. Tada.

[prime lantern]

But I know it's there somehow

[obtuse gyro]

I think what happened is that you thought I was denying the possibility that Mara meant child or something more definitive, which very clearly based on all my responses I wasnt. However, in your defence of your stance that you are comfortable with attaching a definite meaning, you've transformed my "It could mean any descriptor of the Op/Drifter" into "it cannot mean child" which again, I've never said. To which you then attempted to defend that with "You cant prove it doesnt mean that" to which I never attempted to, all I did was indicate that you cant prove that it has a definite meaning. If you want to give a placeholder by all means go ahead, the only issue is that many others havent been using it as a placeholder, but rather a definite meaning, which might result in others not seeing it as a placeholder but rather a concrete meaning even if you decided to make it a placeholder

That aside, stating that there is no evidence to prove a point wrong, thus making the point plausible or correct, is the textbook definition of the appeal to ignorance fallicy, which Im sure you didnt intend to make.

[prime field]

No, I was just outright stating there's no evidence to prove "child" is an incorrect translation. Because there isn't. Just like there's none to prove what it actually is. There's literally none. It's all speculation.

[obtuse gyro]

Which is my point, and to why I hesitate to even give it a placeholder, something you dont agree with

[prime field]

I don't, because when you're speculating, you have to guess.

[obtuse gyro]

stating there's no evidence to prove "child" is an incorrect translation.
But this is still an appeal to ignorance

None of the both of us called for proof that it was incorrect

[prime field]

You literally told me at one point that I had to prove it. Maybe I misunderstood.

[obtuse gyro]

which is fair, but that wasnt made clear at the very beginning when H4ZRD wondered what it meant, until I stated that there was no confirmation on translation

[obtuse gyro]

I said you had to prove that Mara definitively translated into something definitive, which is different from proving that it doesnt translate into the same something definitive

because one is the normal burden of proof shtick and the other runs straight into appeal to ignorance

[prime field]

We could have stopped after I clarified that I use it as a placeholder then, because if that's all your issue was, H4ZRD was perfectly capable of reading that it was just a placeholder/guess

[obtuse gyro]

We transited into discussing about whether a placeholder is a good idea, thats why we didnt stop

[nova harness]

Lore discussion doesn’t end topics we continue them

[vagrant sphinx]

Can't Mara also be a voidtongue word for Tenno?

[nova harness]

Yes sorta

[wild belfry]

The next warframe is Vergil prime 🗣️

[rain otter]

Many names in warframe have multiple meanings especially Orokin names.

Many of the Orokin names we have heard we know they have another meaning especially the one the Family Gives us Ayatan.

So the chance that "Mara" has a double meaning is not unlikely especially when we have the Mara Detron.

[nova harness]

Mara Detron is that a gun?

[rain otter]

Yes.

Before the Tenent Detron came out it was the better Detron.

[viscid quarry]

For reference it can be aquired from the zanuka field boss, siding with corpus in invasions and baro when he feels like it

[fiery surge]

Baro has the Mara.
Regular is from Harvester,
Win and you get the Detron parts.
Lose and uhh, Imagine the Profit trailer (PS4 Warframe trailer) but Lotus managed to remove the restraints and Alad V is off to make some salad

[sacred flint]

Alad V is off to make some salad 😂

[warm anvil]

his 5th one so far

[supple dagger]

What is that D:

||''sanctuary''||

[nova harness]

It's been there in devstreams, dev build, ever since ESO was first shown. Nothing new, just not released into the public build.