spoiler-chat

[scarlet basalt]

12 new tileset for the entrati lab this is crazy

[balmy storm]

So we have February which will be entirely star days, idk of they showed whats coming with that but im hyped
Then March with Dante Unbound
After that the next big update is probably May or June then Tennocon I think

[balmy storm]

12?!?
They’re really making one of the best timesets better

OH YEAH AND THE TRAIN TRAP IS COMING

[nova harness]

I’m ill and have terrible memory rn is Star days the valentines?

[balmy storm]

Yes, hosted by Ticker

last year we got the 2-person heart emote

[nova harness]

Has Ticker ever said who there valentines is?

[balmy storm]

Hope you feel better btw

[balmy storm]

I don’t think she’s said by name, but I think she talks about them?

[nova harness]

Is it secret dialogue only heard once a year?

[balmy storm]

Idk

[nova harness]

Where’s GreyArchon when you need him? He knows everything everyone has and hasn’t said

[viscid quarry]

Ping spam him

Or threaten to force a gray archon shard outta him if he doesn’t appear

[nova harness]

I think he’s asleep

Dunno what his states timezone is

[viscid quarry]

Welp sleep is for the dead and he’s not dead

[nova harness]

He was once isn’t that how becoming an Archon works?

[viscid quarry]

What? No

Archons are sentients that use shards to exist

The archons we see nowadays are grafted onto warframes in an act of desperation

[nova harness]

Don’t the shards get used to bring back the dead in them?

Or was that just a Lotus thing?

[balmy storm]

They can revitalize an Eidolon when enough are used

[nova harness]

I’d say use it on the 3 Eidolons but on second thought it’s a bit dangerous

[latent ginkgo]

are they ACTUALLY naming the new warframe dante or is that a place holder

[nova harness]

Actual name

[latent ginkgo]

now what the hell

not sure how i feel about Human Name Warframe

[graceful zodiac]

You say them when Ember, Octavia, Vauban, and Gauss are right there

[latent ginkgo]

i guess

doesnt feel the same but ya i see it

[nova harness]

Wait are all of them human names I know Gauss is named after a guy with Gauss as his last name

[latent ginkgo]

idk about vauban, but ember & octavia are viable human names

[thick jolt]

Vauban was a french engineer i think

[latent ginkgo]

ahhhh

[graceful zodiac]

Vauban was a French engineer, yes

You can also throw in Atlas, Titania, and Oberon

[thick jolt]

Caliban, nezha and wukong as well

[rain otter]

"Dead" for sentients seems to he different.

[balmy storm]

Dagath in-universe was a real name

[nova harness]

What’s Calibans name based on?

[rain otter]

Cuz like Lotus is "dead" but we slowly bring her back.

[thick jolt]

A book or myth character iirc

[rain otter]

All the Archons where "dead" sentients conbinded with warframes and archon Shards.

[graceful zodiac]

Character from "The Tempest"

[latent ginkgo]

i think the difference is ive known Dantes irl so my brain goes hmmm

[nova harness]

Inaros was based on either Inaros or Inaros 2

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes inaros

[nova harness]

Was it Oberon or Titania that were from stories?

[viscid quarry]

Yeah

Iirc from Shakespeare to be specific

Both were fairies and married lol

[balmy storm]

Same story, fairy king and queen

[hearty marlin]

From memory one of them existed in myth prior to midsummers night dream and the other became popularised and known because of Shakespeare (can’t remember which one existed prior to the play)

[amber terrace]

I was visiting Guncle Cavalero in the Zariman and when I interacted with him, he said that he had heard a voice that he couldn’t understand. Was this the Indifference? If so, then would the Zariman accident basically be a scaled up Cavia sacrifice? I understand that the Zariman was meant from the ground up to be a colonist mission, I was comparing the effects of the accident to the effects of the Cavia sacrifice

Did the Indifference see the Zariman adults as not interesting enough to warrant letting them understand Voidtongue?

[viscid quarry]

We don’t understand either

Wally can speak in… whatever language the people of the origin system spoke

Unless they still somehow spoke English

[amber terrace]

True, I guess my new question is why did The Indifference speak to the Operator in standard basic language and to the adults in Voidtongue?

[obtuse gyro]

Hes alternated between voidtongue and the common language for both us and normies tho

[amber terrace]

It has? If I may, is there a source I can read on The Indifference talking to normies in both Basic Standard and Voidtongue?

[tiny knot]

"Hey Kiddo."

"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

Not to mention that he's spoken to Baro in Origin Standard

[graceful zodiac]

Wally has constantly only ever talked in common speech up until New War

[tiny knot]

That too, the first words we ever hear from him are Common

[obtuse gyro]

Wally's first ever recorded words were "little bengel" which yknow, is common

[tiny knot]

and personal :3

[obtuse gyro]

Straight to albrecht that one

[tiny knot]

Wally came out swinging

[graceful zodiac]

The Cavalero quote doesn't even seem to be in reference to the Zariman accident, it could easily just be reference to his New War jumper

[viscid quarry]

And he didn’t stop swinging till he pulled out the eldritch slaps

[tiny knot]

Fr fr, he's a genuine threat

Everything from the pervasive, constant intrusion to the sheer sensory onslaught to the outright mockery

[amber terrace]

I guess if The Indifference has shown a historical preference for speaking in Standard Basic, why did the surviving Cavia speak in Voidtongue? I’m willing to buy that It made the Cavia smart enough to understand Standard Basic, my question then is why did The Indifference make the Cavia speak in Voidtongue rather than Basic Standard?

[tiny knot]

Wally speaking in standard is a manipulation tactic

He learned it, or maybe was given the knowledge by Albrecht, and used it to gain footholds in our reality

[obtuse gyro]

Easy, consider what is the "native" tongue of wally

[tiny knot]

It's possible that the Cavia speaking Voidtongue was so the Operator would have to interact with the Murmur, and therefore him, to seemingly make headway on our end

[obtuse gyro]

The cavia specify that wally made them smart enough to understand him

Aka, speak voidtongue

[tiny knot]

I think I see where you're going

They don't speak common at all

They speak filtered Voidtongue through the Jahu Gargoyle

[obtuse gyro]

Which we then needed the jahu (form) gargoyle to translate

[tiny knot]

Wasn't the Zariman already in the Void when we made The Deal?

[obtuse gyro]

Zariman was in the void then yes, but wally doesnt need a jahu gargoyle to translate himself

[tiny knot]

If so, that could be why we understood him in Common at that point, the Void acting as a translator

And maybe he can only be heard in common once someone has been in contact with the Void, which would explain why he seemingly spoke in common to Baro

[obtuse gyro]

Possible, but for this imma occams razor and think he can just speak common

[tiny knot]

Also completely understandable

[obtuse gyro]

No need for translations hes just bilingual

[tiny knot]

He just skilled and we're very proud of him

[obtuse gyro]

We stan a bilingual king

[tiny knot]

Tbh I think both could work, but I'm personally proud of the translation thing(for the moment)

[supple dagger]

So I haven't been keeping up for a few months what's the next big story quest or has nothing been mentioned yet

[obtuse gyro]

Next cinematic is warframe 1999, but next major update is Dante Unbound

[rain otter]

Did you play whispers in the walls?

[supple dagger]

Yeah

[nova harness]

That’s the most recent quest with a pinch of the one releasing after it

[covert tree]

What's coming after whispers in the walls

Is it the Arthur dlc or is it ||the return of veso||

[nova harness]

Veso is dead

He’s not returning

[covert tree]

I know it was a joke

[obtuse gyro]

First we get a nerd and his books

[scarlet basalt]

So is like Dante the closest we would get for an incarnon warframe ?

[wintry hound]

i dont think a future void angel/incarnon frame is out of the question considering revenant is eidolon themed and caliban is a sentient amalgam

[viscid quarry]

Dante a nerd?

He’s missing the glasses so he’s a fake

[supple dagger]

A nerd with two brass knuckles

[undone lodge]

They’re inside his head/helmet

[supple dagger]

Dante is probably Atlas' younger brother

[viscid quarry]

He need visable glasses

He’s a fake nerd, hell he even has brass knuckles

Any nerd worth their weight in boos would know that the proper weapon of a nerd is the book itself

[amber terrace]

Is this a good place to speculate how the Ascent Archon Shard Fusion System is going to be acquired in game?

[graceful zodiac]

It'll likely just be a part of the general shard segment

[amber terrace]

Hmm… that would be nice, if I had to send a guess into The Void, I’d wager that DE is gonna make yet another orbiter segment that’s probably gonna be locked behind something like Cavia R5

[fading flame]

Likely just an added system for the fusion segment

[amber terrace]

It’d be nice if the Ascent Fusion would be added to the base Archon Shard Segment or even the Coalescent Fusion Segment, I think that it would be more in line with the Coalescent Fusion segment and how you have to build it after getting it from the Cavia

[near rune]

I think probably it'll just be another segment you buy from Bird 3. That's what they do every time they add a new function to the Helminth like Invigorations: just a new segment from Son.

[viscid quarry]

My guy ping him

[nova harness]

Gray has Ticker ever referenced having a Valentine?

[near rune]

Uh she had a relationship a long time ago

They don't have "Valentines" in Warframe. Star Days is a thing Ticker made up to celebrate love in all its forms

I don't think she's mentioned having a partner or relationship since Volan.

[prime lantern]

Whomstived is volan

[near rune]

Her partner. You can read about him in Ticker's mem-fragments.

https://www.orokinarchives.com/fragments-ticker

[rain otter]

Ah Queen Ticker.

[viscid quarry]

Ah finally

It took like 2 days but at long last it’s answered

That she made Star days tf up and abuses tenno love of the glowy to get free debt bonds

[near rune]

That's certainly one way of putting it

[balmy storm]

She gets a whole month

[tiny knot]

Pretty great month

[quasi minnow]

Why did no one tell me the Tenno are child soldiers

This is a shocking revelation

[near rune]

I think part of the point is to be a shocking revelation

[quasi minnow]

Yeah Ik but still awesome twist

[viscid quarry]

And it would be hard to get any veteran to willingly give that away

[rain otter]

Every holiday is made up.

[rain otter]

Did you just do the second dream? If so keep going lul.

[obtuse gyro]

There are more shocks to be had

[quasi minnow]

👍

[nova harness]

Because under the lorecrimes act saying it when a person has said they haven’t completed TSD and War Within is illegal is punishable by being thrown into the Void

[prime lantern]

Except my birthday that ones been there forever and simply existed

It wasn't made it was just there

[nova harness]

What did you think about sleeping through at least 1000 birthdays?

[undone lodge]

Ah, so that’s why Ballas did that in

We walked around in Cetus and Fortuna Operator form and spoiled it for the new Tenno

[nova harness]

Yes

He sent us back in time before we had the abilities

[viscid quarry]

But ticker made a glorified charity event in the disguise of a celebration of love (then again it saves more people from crippling debt so there’s that)

Btw is the feeing of satisfaction watching a new Tenno you’ve helped along the way finally reach up to us in witw a good one or not because honestly idk

[nova harness]

I commend any player who lasts longer than 2 hours

Don’t see it very often

[viscid quarry]

Ah well my newbie managed to catch up to us somewhat

She was a d2 player before so there’s that

Still got one more who’s just did new war

[balmy badger]

Most newbies don't make it past Mars.

[nova harness]

The person who taught me Warframe when I started hasn’t played in 1398 days

[viscid quarry]

Damn

[nova harness]

When you start Warframe and see a MR 9 it looks so high

[viscid quarry]

Ik

[devout pine]

me too

he left me

[nova harness]

1000 days ago or less?

[quasi minnow]

Makes sense

[last anvil]

this is the first time i've seen this. what how and why

[balmy badger]

Ah, The Second Dream teaser.

Old easteregg they never removed.

[last anvil]

does it think i haven't done that or

[balmy badger]

Nah, it still shows up no matter how far in the game you are.

[hard igloo]

kahl missions are the highlight of my week

[near rune]

Interesting

[desert cargo]

It's an old Orokin language report. Something about the Lotus, I can't recall the entire message.

[obtuse gyro]

tis just the TSD teaser

[desert cargo]

Yes, but that's what's in the message. A report talking about the Lotus, it's not just jumbled symbols.

[obtuse gyro]

Reason: foreign carrier detected. Origin: unknown. Suspection: tracking signal.
Reinitiating dipolar connection on novel carrier. Bio in standby for check and sync.

 Motion compensation complete.
 Selenic lensing locked.
 Somatic control established.
 Margulis implantation intact.
 EVM status nominal.
 War platform awaiting sync.

Initializing synaptic overlay... Good night, sweet angel.```

[obtuse gyro]

less to do with the lotus and more to do with us

[desert cargo]

Ohh, it was from the Lotus. I really gotta revisit the older quests.

[potent vine]

The fact that they got nine inch nails is amazing

[potent vine]

When I heard that song I immediately went “is that nine inch nails?!!”

[flat shadow]

I didn't even get that far. I completely bluescreened for about 10 seconds after it started.

[tiny knot]

So one of the tablets in Duviri is pretty... Interesting.

"Is Void Travel Safe?"
"Yes, as long as we keep our emotions under control." Could it be that Albrecht was so horribly injured because he was in fear of the Void? Could Rell have kept Wally back so long because of the Tales of Duviri and his Donda?

[obtuse gyro]

he wasnt injured because he was afraid, his seriglass bell kinda shattered right around him

[tiny knot]

Right, but wouldn't that have scared the ito-da out of you too?

The Seriglass isn't what hurt him, it was the Void itself

[obtuse gyro]

I mean yes, but the primary injuries he sustained were from the seriglass and then the direct void exposure that fried him like an egg

he cut himself on the seriglass just to write "ayo close the door"

[tiny knot]

But if he wasn't scared out of his mind, it's possible that the Void exposure would've been just fine

I mean, look at Baro. How often is that dweeb in the Void? He's almost always portrayed as a composed- if a little eccentric - person

[obtuse gyro]

mmm, I dont think I can agree, we've already seen what another scared person went through and they werent greviously injured, instead they got a "fun" little place to "hang around"

duviri was made out of intense emotions, one of which was fear. even if the emotions were packed "nicely" into the boxes we know as spirals, drifter didnt suffer that kind of injuries albrecht suffered

[tiny knot]

Sidetrack because I'm happy:

Finally found the thing

[obtuse gyro]

oh the prex

[tiny knot]

But honestly, if emotions aren't that case, why was the Drifter not also fried like an egg? Why was Tales of Duviri written if the entire theory was Kubrow droppings?

[obtuse gyro]

oh Im not saying that the tales of duviri didnt help, Im saying that it wasnt responsible for preventing the same kind of injuries as albrecht

[tiny knot]

Ah, gotcha

[obtuse gyro]

think of it this way: your vessel made of really sharp things detonated while you were inside putting you directly into the void with 0 warning vs your vessel made of not so sharp things crashes putting it and you inside the void (although also with 0 warning)

[tiny knot]

I mean, I don't think the Seriglass is what, yk, made the ropes spill out, since all of his skin was apparently just gone, but

[obtuse gyro]

well not gone, just messed up

when I said fried I meant in both the literal and metaphorical sense

[tiny knot]

I 100% believe the Void just flayed him, honestly

[tawny schooner]

Playing New War for the first time and when Kahl picked up the Prime weapon, my only thought was damn, he's better equiped than me

[tiny knot]

Kahl fight for brothers

Grineer? Corpus? Kahl break every veil, all brothers

[tawny schooner]

damn Teshin Hat Grapple Physics is very fun

[tawny schooner]

Damn that Snag (Snake Mag) is cool

[tawny schooner]

Damn Big Man ||Hunhow|| looks hella cool

[viscid quarry]

Considering he kills sentients easily

[tawny schooner]

Has ||Hunhow|| always been Chilling on Uranus?

[prime lantern]

Yes

[tawny schooner]

Huh, neat

[merry sparrow]

Hope A boss fights with him in the future

[tawny schooner]

Octavia's Platforming Challenge

[viscid quarry]

He’s in the methane sea

Trapped and without much influence on a systemwide scale

[amber terrace]

I have a question about the timeline of Albrecht. In the Necraloid room logs, Albrecht says that he was alive to witness the “unholy Zariman parade”, in the Vessels codex fragment from Albrecht’s notes, he says he knew of Ballas’ Warframes, and in the Whispers In The Walls quest when you first wake Loid he says that there’s an active war going on probably referring to The Old War and if Loid knew of The Old War it can be reasonably extrapolated that Albrecht knew of The Old War as well. This all had to have happened in one human lifespan given Albrecht’s refusal to take the Kuva after his encounter with The Indifference. My question now is how fast did the events of the Orokin empire happen for Albrecht to have lived through a good portion of an Orokin “golden era”

[prime lantern]

We know people live for incredibly long times

Teshin dax is a thousand years old and showed no signs of slowing down (other than his impromptu Vist to a chiropractor)

[near rune]

Albrecht lived for "centuries" until his first trip to the Void (Khra Vitruvian). After he returned, he worked to study and understand the Void (writing some texts with his daughter Euleria, before he eventually shut her out of his more obsessive research). Albrecht says that after his reflections upon the Indifference, he resolved to not take the kuva again (Netra Vitruvian) – but it's not necessarily confirmed if he decided this immediately or after he'd undergone Continuity a few more times (although my reading is that he probably did decide immediately).
Albrecht lived to see Void research develop under his guidance, used to create the Solar Rails and the Zariman, and then he was also around for the creation of the Sentients, their voyage, their rebellion and the start of the Old War. We do not know if he was around to witness the return of the Zariman, but we do know he saw the creation of the first-generation warframes at least (Qorvex and other references to warframes in his Grimoire Notes). In theory all of this could have taken place over the course of a single Orokin lifetime (which, remember, is much longer than a human lifetime even without Continuity). We know from Ballas' Vitruvian (The Sacrifice) that the Old War took place over multiple lifetimes, so hundreds of years at least. Albrecht saw at least the early stages of this before he went to 1999.

[rain otter]

Teshins been alive since the old war and Ballas. I think it'd just they had great medical attention.

Also Albretch got like new eyes and ears and like new hands all given to him by Loid's medical procedures.

[fading flame]

Corpus ceos are centuries old without anything special

[amber marten]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

Albrecht at that exact moment.

colourised.

[tawny schooner]

The Operator/Drifter/Lotus must have a hella painful tan after being exposed to the sun for that long

[undone lodge]

Yeah

The real reason the Orokin didn’t like the Tenno was their supernatural ability to tan and not sunburn

[near rune]

And yet the true secret:

[obtuse gyro]

Love how tenno need to grind focus for what the orokin got for "free"

[compact haven]

Gotta prove we're worth it.

[midnight crypt]

Is there a chance that we can get playable Stalker outside of Duviri?

[compact haven]

I think I heard somewhere that they do have further plans for the stalker but as far as playable goes it was never elaborated on.

[midnight crypt]

Oh, sad, I want him as playable warframe outside of Duviri

[nova harness]

Has happened a player once had Stalker in Origin System

[ocean void]

Old glitch that DE patch it

There was an rumor of DE making playable stalker to hunt other Tenno

[nova harness]

That exists

Just only DE have access to it

[ocean void]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/13lj32y/someone_playing_as_stalker_in_the_star_chart/

Old patch Glitch

[flat shadow]

They gave us Stalker in Duviri. Maybe with the Stalker story they have hinted at coming we will be able to play him elsewhere.

[nova harness]

I only think we got Stalker in Duviri due to Stalker helping Drifter

[viscid quarry]

That or a version of stalker that is controllable like a Tenno got made via conceptual embodiment

I doubt stalker can just travel to duviri

[fading flame]

there is more stalker story content coming this year

[dawn sundial]

fr?

[flat shadow]

Yes. I get the impression not in Dante, not in 1999.

[rain otter]

You know what i don't want DE to make that a mode for anyone else to use tbh. Like that just doesn't sound fun.

[scarlet basalt]

Is the kuva sister still trying to revive her sister ?
Like with how the kuva is said to be a literal abomination...Wouldn't that be some kind of foreshadowing of some kind of terrifying things that could happends ?

[craggy solstice]

What an ironic name.

[viscid quarry]

StalkerCheckerXD:

Strength: 40
Agility: 100
Charisma: 10
Sneak: 1
Intelligence: 2
Magic: 40

[keen jungle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[celest mirage]

can't u buy her ?

[craggy solstice]

You can't change the name after the quest.

[celest mirage]

ahh

[craggy solstice]

However you raise a point.

[craggy solstice]

Do you mean the name, or the skin?

[celest mirage]

I thought that

With the skin, nicknames changes too for some reason xd

[viscid quarry]

That can be taken in all the wrong ways

[thick jolt]

Average day in warframe i.e. "can someone help me kill my sister"

[rain otter]

I mean she is gathering kuva and she's been doing it for a while. I could see her reviving her sister at some point.

[celest mirage]

my bad xd

[viscid quarry]

I’m fully aware lmao

Imagine if anyone saw these types of questions without the context

[thick jolt]

it is funny

[viscid quarry]

We gonna appear like potential criminals looking to commit homicide and human trafficking lmao

[rain otter]

Looking to commit?

[keen jungle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[viscid quarry]

Nope but we all appear that we are without context

[rain otter]

i meant were are activly doing it

as a joke.

[amber terrace]

Can it be reasonably claimed that Albrecht’s discovery of how to utilize the Void kick started a “golden age” for the Orokin Empire, or was it the first domino that would ultimately lead to the Orokin’s demise?

[frozen stump]

its probably a bit of both. utilizing the void allowed the orokin to expand to the entire origion system instead of just between earth and mars.

[viscid quarry]

I’m aware

Just wanted to add that we seem capable of committing them

[viscid quarry]

Both as it caused the greatest time of the orokin which then caused the Tenno to become a thing

And then of course it’s all history

[rain otter]

Yes.

[steady gate]

If you turn on ''Creator Mode" in the settings, her name will turn back to Lotus

[near rune]

I think it's far more of the former than the latter. The discovery of the Void greatly accelerated the Orokin's technology and capability, but was not a necessary factor for their death. What caused the Orokin's demise was their cruelty and shortsightedness. They treated their citizens with gleeful malice, but also allowed them to amass enough power to fight back. With those conditions in mind, the Orokin Empire would have fallen no matter what – it wouldn't have been the Tenno, but something else (probably a version of the Sentients, I think).

[obtuse gyro]

Hell, if it werent for the tenno the sentients would have won anyway

The first gen warframes weren't doing a good job at not turning on the orokin

[near rune]

Yeah

[amber terrace]

Does Loid know about how the Entrati family staying in the Necralisk were all exposed to the infestation?

[flat shadow]

I don't think he does. He knows the family is there, but might not know about the infestation.

Might not know about the entire fall of the empire.

[amber terrace]

Hmm… maybe it would be better to not let Loid know of what happened to the family, he already has to deal with the Cavia, what with Fibonacci cheating at Komi, Tagfer going on and on about Minn, and Bird-3 being smarter than they let on

[nova harness]

Loid still thought there was a War

[amber terrace]

True

[cyan crest]

i mean he has the pc logs right there

[flat shadow]

Was he referring to the War with the Sentients, or the one where the empire fell?

[nova harness]

Old War

[real niche]

Aren't those the same war.

[cyan crest]

yeah

well technically the end of the old war is when we killed all the blue people

i mean we technically didn’t cause there’s a bunch of not killed blue people

but we killed a lot of blue people

[flat shadow]

Not really. We (the Tenno) won the Old war. Then we betrayed the Orokin. Some might combine the two, but I feel like they are separate events.

[nova harness]

The War was over

[cyan crest]

one is the old war, the other is the collapse, but one is at the end of the other

[amber terrace]

? Pardon my confusion, I thought there was an amount of time between the Old War ending and the Betrayal? Going purely off of the Leverians, I thought after the Old War, the Orokin basically used the Warframes and the Tenno controlling them as enforcers

[cyan crest]

i mean the collapse started when the orokin were celebrating the tenno for winning (not really) the war for them, there couldn’t be much time in bewteen

the tenno and the frames did serve do other stuff like Lavos guarding Javi, or Ash and the Skoria and all that, but like, during the war most likely

[flat shadow]

The lore I have read does specify that the Tenno attacked during a parade celebrating the end of the old war. It could have been an anniversary. They way it is phrased heavily implies that it is the first parade celebration, but it might not be.

[cyan crest]

the whole sequence Hunhow describes makes more sense if it’s inmediate imo
make the orokin think they have won, sink hunhow under Uranus, make them lower their guard, then strike when they’re surpise and still rebuilding
if Natah/Lotus waited for an anniversary to give the order, that’s time she would have gave the orokin to rebuild
it makes more sense for her to organize it while they’re still weak and haven’t have time to rebuild because that would make the tenno rebellion harder to actually achieve

besides, there’s the plains sentient, who makes more sense to have survived if the collapse immediately follows the end of the war than if there was time in between

[flat shadow]

Agreed, but the Tenno may have needed time to heal, too. We did just finish fighting a war. We may have had injuries to tend.

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think we needed that much time for our warframes to be able to wipe out the orokin

Especially since we didnt actually win the war by actually winning but rather the sentients pretending to lose

[wicked iron]

I want to see more Hunhow and Stalker palling around with us. 😮

[prime lantern]

Hunhow as an npc would be cool

Talking to him and learning about tau stuff

Maybe turn his bones into more weapons

And it'd be cool if we got 8 9 and 10 amp parts

[wicked iron]

He seems fully operational again. I want to help him be less depressed, honestly. Now that he has seen we saved his daughter from other Sentients and Ballas, mayhaps he can see a way to working with us on a more permanent basis. 🙂

[viscid quarry]

He will still try to kill us tho

We helped each others bc of lotus

[amber terrace]

Tbh I want Hunhow as a consistent character because his voice is hot

Like that “vainglorious welp” line is peak, “by my edge, cleave it beating from its nest” is very cool

I could go on for all the Hunhow lines

[prime lantern]

He kinda sounds like the guy who voiced ultron

But not his role in Marvel his lizard king one

I can't remember what it's from

[prime lantern]

Ehh maybe he even says he's lost the comfort of old grudges

We've saved his daughter and are working on saving his son the best we can

[amber terrace]

It would be amazing to see Hunhow verbally smack down Pazuul ong fr fr

[prime lantern]

I doubt he would

He'd just feel sad for what his son has become

Family is important to sentients they won't get anymore than what they already have

[viscid quarry]

He will try to hold onto them tho

He’s racist space grandpa for a reason

[wicked iron]

I don't think he is anymore. If he still was, he wouldn't have worked with us in The New War.

[viscid quarry]

Racism can be put off when it comes to saving one’s family

However it was only for that

[tiny knot]

Exactly. Maybe Stalker could even get in on it and see that we're not the demons the Orokin sicced on him

[steady gate]

Stalker hates that we killed the Orokin

[tiny knot]

Why? Because he wanted to?

[steady gate]

Because he served them.

[tiny knot]

Or more of a "now you're the little man" situation

A la Erra and Ballas

[tacit coral]

so did we but he's a suckup
probably not even a warframe 🙄

[steady gate]

…no.
He liked serving them. He’s upset we killed them, so now he’s getting revenge.
Stalker is a ‘low guardian’, whatever that means

[tiny knot]

Because that whole "he didn't want them killed because he served them" thing kinda goes sour when yk... Old War.

Which was started... Under Hunhow

Did he enjoy service at a point in time? Definitely, but that probably changed when he realized that the very trip they were sent on was essentially long genocide for his people.

If he wanted revenge on the Tenno, it's most likely because they were also responsible for the murder of his people in the Old War, it's just Occam's Razor at that point.
"This guy killed my people so I wanna kill him."

[steady gate]

…I’m just gonna post the stalker lore from in-game

[tiny knot]

Also, "low" just isn't part of Stalker's former rank. "Low," in this context, refers to their place, as Guardians, in a hierarchy.

Unless that's just another inconsistency between Codex and dialogue

[prime lantern]

He's upset we killed the Orokin

The chaos of now he find worse than the tyranny of before

[steady gate]

Actually, Low Guardian gets defined in the computer next to Loid. Protecter of the Orokin.

“Since awakening, the Tenno has been pursued by THE STALKER.

Appearance and combat capability suggest THE STALKER is a surviving Low Guardian, a former protector of the Orokin.

Evidence implies that the Orokin Empire fell at the hands of the Tenno themselves. THE STALKER’s motive may therefore be revenge.”

He protected the Orokin.
He feels like he failed in his duty, so now he’s hunting us for revenge.

[tiny knot]

That has nothing to do with Hunhow though.

Who I have been talking about the entire time.

Stalker hates us because we killed the Orokin, Hunhow hates us because we killed Sentients.

Stalker hates Hunhow for Sentient incursion, Hunhow may hate Stalker for Orokin sympathy, put aside differences because Tenno SUCK

Bam. Shadow Stalker.

[steady gate]

I wanna know where you’re getting that Stalker hates Hunhow.
At most, he seems to be indifferent to Hunhow’s existence as long as he can kill Tenno

[tiny knot]

I said may hate Hunhow. I never stated it as fact, just further speculation on a plot point.

No, breakdown in communication

[steady gate]

There’s no ‘may’

[tiny knot]

Like I said, breakdown in communication, I misread.

Regardless, my point with all of this, which I see you can't refute: No, Hunhow doesn't hate the Tenno for killing the Orokin.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If he enjoyed serving them so much, why did he start a war to eradicate them? Why not just take it on the cheek(do Sentients have cheeks?) and accept the fate of his dying people and the inevitable ruin the Orokin would bring to Tau?

There, for clarity

[steady gate]

Okay, I saw you mention stalker then moved on to someone wanting to kill the Orokin themselves, didn’t see you meant Hunhow.

[tiny knot]

Theeeere's the root of it. We on the same page then?

[steady gate]

Yeah, now we are

[tiny knot]

Okay sweet

[steady gate]

I will clear this up though
Hunhow’s people weren’t dying when they got to Tau, since there was no void travel TO Tau. They went the classic way that took many many years. The Sentients were building the Solar rail while they traveled to Tau, terraformed Tau…then realized the Orokin would destroy it. The Sentients going through the Solar Rail sterilized them, and going back through it again would probably kill them for good. Any sentient that came to the Origin system couldn’t reproduce (Natah was made after the War started and wanted children, but since she came here she couldn’t have them.)

[nova harness]

She was happy to adopt tho

[steady gate]

She was very happy to adopt the Tenno

(Through murder)

[viscid quarry]

Hey look lotus does as lotus do

[desert cargo]

How many people here know about the codex secret with Harrow? Where you wait for a while and Rell whispers in your ears.

[obtuse gyro]

who reads the codex

[obtuse gyro]

its not rell thats whispering to you

[desert cargo]

Rell/indifferent Rell, hard to tell with it only being audio.

[obtuse gyro]

its not rell, homie is gone

theres another goober out there that plays into the Rap Tap Tap that rell has heard him do

[desert cargo]

That being Man in the Walls/Indifference?

[obtuse gyro]

yes

[fleet veldt]

Any Sentient that did make the return trip to the Origin System would likely be part of whatever the Sentient would describe as 'a militia against gods/makers/creators' - a voluntary soldier who knew their life was forefeit as soon as they signed up to fight the Orokin.

Yet Pazuul speaks of Tau as if something's going on over there, and Natah mentions that Tau has been 'silent'; it makes me wonder.

[strange moon]

Is there any significance to having your interface hacked/glitch out during a Mission Complete screen?

By hack/glitch out, I mean in-game/diagetic glitch out

[obtuse gyro]

Do you see orokin words appear?

Cuz either youre looking at a tsd teaser or your game just actually bugged

[strange moon]

Yeah I saw orokin/squiggly text

But I've already completed The Second Dream

Does the Second Dream teaser appear only for newcomers or can it also manifest in the interfaces of those who play with newcomers?

[obtuse gyro]

It wont disappear for those whove long cleared tsd, it will still randomly appear at times for all

[fading flame]

It's just a thing that happens

[rain otter]

I mean Pazuul is the first one that said like Hunhow destoryed the Solar rail on the origin system Side. But Tau is silent means like they aren't trying to do anything currently. Like all the sentients we know are all from the first like invasion of the Origin System or at least make from the Sentients that invaded then. Like Hunhow Destroyed the Origin System Side of the Solar rail to stop Counter Attacks like we see in the Mag Codex.

Also a few people think Pazuul is gonna like rebuild the Solar rail or try to on this side of the origin system. I don't think he will succeed at all but I wouldn't be that suprised if like when we get the 3rd Orb fight Pazuul is like "AND THIS ORB MADE OF SENTIENT TECH I CAN FINALLY MAKE THE SOLAR RAIL OPERATIONAL AGAIN" and then we stop him from doing that.

also Also Lotus talks about like the current lords of Tau are like far removed from this conflict and don't care.

which would make sense like if you send off a army to fight a war and then the door you sent that army through collapses and it stays that way for like 1000s of years i'm not caring about that conflict anymore.

[scenic monolith]

you know it'd be pretty cool to go to tau

and then just like get annilated by Sentients who are actually not dumb

[prime lantern]

The sentients in sol arnt dumb either

[rain otter]

I wouldn't call them dumb but they have been in a non stop war for like over 1000 years.

[scenic monolith]

nah but like

okay fine

smarter sentients

[tropic venture]

Tau is their home base

[rain otter]

Not home base just home.

[tropic venture]

yeah true

[rain otter]

Also like I said hunhow destroyed the solar Rail to tau

So all the tau in The Origin System can't go back home.

[tropic venture]

I kinda prefer Tau never being in the game, as a major story thing is how impossibly difficult it for humans is to reach it

us just going there would kinda ruin that

[rain otter]

Its not impossible?

The Mag prime entry is literally about the Orokin attacking it. Also stuff like that is probably why Hunhow Destroyed the Solar Rail.

We can't go to tau cuz Hunhow Destroyed the Solar Rail in the origin System.

Well this side of it.

The Tau Side seemingly still exists.

That said I don't think we will ever go to tau anytime soon if at all i do think the solar Rail being rebuilt or trying to be rebuilt by Erra will be that plot point and we will stop him.

[tropic venture]

well, Pazuul, not Erra

Erra's a bit too eidolon lobotomized by Pazuul to do much

[rain otter]

Yeah

Got the names mixed up.

but if we did get Pazuuls head off of Erra we could probably fix him I mean we regrew lotus from a hand

[tropic venture]

I mean the giant stalagmite archon shard Pazuul used to fuse himself to Erra would probably do the trick

when will Pazuul pull out the Sibear he's building with all that huge amounts of cryotic he's harvesting

[rain otter]

I mean he is the one that frist talked about the solar Rail being destroyed by Hunhow and it was also mentioned in Duviri on the test pads.

I mean he's also using a lot of Power that we seemingly don't know what he's using it for.

[tropic venture]

his "project" (he's mining crypto)

[frozen stump]

needs the cryotic to cool the PCs

[fleet veldt]

I think it'd be an amusing situation to go to Tau and discover an instance of the 10-0 with no Man-in-Wall influence having settled -with- the Sentient and are generally anti-Orokin in sentiment, and these Sentients are slowly developing a proper 'cure' for Void exposure.

Meanwhile, the Tenno would just be very confused, and the most we'd be up to is trading and pruning 'weeds' (Infested and Void phenomena that somehow piggybacked the 10-0) in a literal Garden of Eden that the Sentients call home.

As in, all that hype just to find that it's actually peaceful.

[viscid quarry]

How would they react to us tho

[real niche]

"Balls, we lost the war. Time to send more troops"

[fleet veldt]

They'd probably be very confused, if not a little horrified.

Then more horrified as we explain our side of the story and try to fathom our powers.

Then calm when we mention that Natah and Hunhow are ok.

Then the opposite of that when we mention the Archons, Ballas, Narmer, Man-in-Wall.

Then very weirded out with 1999 - but the Sentients become very interested in that old tech as they see the same 'vintage value' that Albrecht saw.

[viscid quarry]

I’m more concerned that they immeasurably assume us to be orokin and try to kill us because well we are using orokin tech

Hell imagine if the grineer and corpus follow us

[fleet veldt]

It'd be funny if the only people who could vouch for us would be Pazuul, Natah, and Hunhow (while we're being utterly obliterated by humans in Sentient-bred mechs).

[viscid quarry]

Ah so more amalgams to try and kill us while negotiations are happening (hopefully with them on the business end of the lato instead of us)

[cyan crest]

hunhow said it himself all the way back in natah

[fleet veldt]

The 'amalgams' would either be:
-A sort where they can willingly separate, like Natah from her Sentient 'pelt'/frame.

-Are artificial warframes controlled via a technological equivalent of Transference with a semblance of 'convergent evolution' as these Crysis Nanosuit equivalents would have Sentient parts that act like Tenno Amps, using the Void as a focused weapon and power source while preventing these monsters from replicating.

-Like Corpus Proxies if they were purely Sentient-made, part of the Tau ecosystem.

They'd be unlike the amalgams we know of and have seen which are visibly half-half; they'd be a full-fusion.

[prime lantern]

Tenno armor for more abilities would be sick

[flat shadow]

We had that. DE decided that having cosmetics linked to in game benefits was not a good idea. The old arcane helmets are still available to trade, but they are not actually very good anymore.

[real niche]

They haven't been useful for years and there's so much random upgrade it doesn't matter lol

[prime lantern]

I mean maybe just make the abilities and armor not related

All armor sets have 2 modules that you can insert 2 new abilities into

[real niche]

So Archon Shards

[prime lantern]

Exactly

But kiddo

[flat shadow]

We have archon shards and arcanes. I don't think they'd add a cosmetic with new arcane abilities. They'd probably just make new arcanes.

[real niche]

Or School extensions

[silk sable]

roughly how long does the new war take in, in-game hours? i've just reached the part where the school shuts down and i met a evil duplicate of my operator

[nova harness]

3-5 hours

[silk sable]

oh alright, not as bad as i thought it would be

[prime lantern]

I don't particularly think archon shards would work for a human

And I suggest armor because if its made of sentients it both looks cool and makes sense since the amps are made of sentients bones

[nova harness]

What type of human are you thinking it won’t work on?

[prime lantern]

All of them

[viscid quarry]

Ye olde human and those who haven’t made the transition to a frame or archon

[frigid saffron]

Hey guys, im currently on the MR grind and im missing alot of forma, is there a better way to farm forma then golden instict from helminth ? Currently at helminth lvl 10 and kinda struggeling to lvl him up due to most mats being red, having invigorat on CD etc.

[viscid quarry]

I wouldn’t reccomend here try #1197322290166251680

[frigid saffron]

Was thinking since helminth is spoiler and on server rules it said only ask in channels with spoiler tag

[viscid quarry]

But to answer your question there’s relics and then there’s Octavia puzzles on lua

[viscid quarry]

Not even close to one

[rain otter]

Can I see that qoute?

[near rune]

jams an Archon Shard into my chest to power up

it just pierces my heart and I die

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes another one

Atleast gimme the archon shard in you before you try that

Oh wait wouldn’t the anti entropic energy keep the body young or what (actually what would it do to a normal human)

[undone lodge]

maybe they’d revive you and you’d become an archon

[near rune]

Archon GrayArchon

[undone lodge]

I wonder what your animal would be

Or maybe you’d just have a book

[viscid quarry]

He’s already an archon

Infact I got a tauforged gray archon shard

Just need to see if one can farm them via breaking a shard in half, shoving both halves into an archon and seeing if the shard regenerated from both halves into two shards

[half dove]

I got the war within bug where it sent me on my second loop. If I shut down the game would I have to do the quest from the start again?

[rain otter]

To be fair this is super vague.

[near rune]

At the time it was super vague for sure. But Pazuul uses the exact same language again later, and is more explicit in what he means.

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[prime lantern]

I mean assuming it just reduces entropy you'd probably just explode

If it reverses entropy you'd eventually turn into a fetus

Entropy is the tend towards order in an atom

Which order means it moves less sporadically and eventually at complete entropy stops moving altogether

So reducing entropy would make your atoms move faster reversing it would make them move backwards in a sense

[woven sage]

Reversing it would mean things would move away from thermodynamic equilibrium --> higher energy states, so probably another explosion

fun stuff

[viscid quarry]

I’d assume reversing it

[viscid quarry]

Oh well so much for eternal youth

[prime lantern]

Depending on interpretation you'd either explode or become a fetus and then nothing

I've seen some suggest entropy is a mathematical representation of fate

Of the all the things that will happen so reversing it would undo the things that happened

[viscid quarry]

Interesting idea

[viscid quarry]

I mean if you use it temporarily you can probably become like 20 again if you were like 80

[steady heath]

What's a solar rail?

[viscid quarry]

Assuming it works that fast and other then that i gotta wonder if the anti entropic energy can allow for farming of the shards by reversing the damage on both of them if they are snapped in half (or is it another explosion)

[viscid quarry]

It’s the main method of transportation most ships use, think kinda like railtracks for trains

[steady heath]

and it goes through systems?

[viscid quarry]

The current solar rail system goes around the system, theoretically it can reach tau but the solar rail reaching tau is gone

[steady heath]

are the sentients dead now? what's our main enemy now

since tnw happened

[prime lantern]

They'd just form back together

[viscid quarry]

Damnit so much for the archon farming (if only they could)

[viscid quarry]

Have you played witw?

[steady heath]

yes, every "important" role quest

[prime lantern]

I mean you should be able to just snap it in half and have 2 shards

Something that defys entropy should in theory be infinite energy

And well infinity÷x where x is a finite number is still infinite

[viscid quarry]

If it doesn’t explode… actually what happens if we just snap a shard in half

[prime lantern]

Infinity is cool

[viscid quarry]

Oh right and then there’s the idea (because apparently my bigger contribution so far to lore chat and spoiler chat has been theoretical questions and ideas) of just snapping 2 shards in half and using the 4 halves to make a tau forged archon shard or god forbid 4 de-aging machines

[viscid quarry]

agreed

[prime lantern]

Sometimes Infinity Is bigger than Infinity

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes very logical infinities

[prime lantern]

Both are logical and equally incomphrensiable

[viscid quarry]

Somehow describes what in the void is albrecht doing and why

[prime lantern]

Just 1 2 3 4... <1.000...1 1.000000...2 ...

[steady heath]

omg you see the murex from orb vallis that's so coool

[viscid quarry]

Yeah your gonna have to dumb that down I have zero bloody clue man

[prime lantern]

Well 1 2 3 4 5 to Infinity is countable

If you counted for Infinite time you'd hit every digit

Now we make it bigger

Instead of just 1 2 3 4 5... we include the numbers between 1 and 2 2 and 3 3 and 4 so on

In infinite amount of time you'd never reach the number 2

Or so set theory suggests

[viscid quarry]

…. Ok ill accept that infinity is complete void forsaken insanity and logical and leave it at that (hey loid isn’t flagging me thank god)

[prime lantern]

But alas you and I arnt infinite so as bau said Freud said this is just speculation

[viscid quarry]

Yep let’s leave it at that

[prime lantern]

I think there's a YouTube video it uses hotels and busses to explain it

[viscid quarry]

I’ll check it out later

Welp anyways what were we talking about prior to a brief look at the logical insanity of infinity

[prime lantern]

Now that I've explained infinity I explain 1 more thing and then ask a question

[viscid quarry]

Ok go for it

[prime lantern]

The 2nd dimension is compromised of infinite 1st dimensions 3rd dimension is infinite 2nd dimensions

[viscid quarry]

Yeah that’s simple enough

[prime lantern]

If I a being with finite power over a 3 dimensional plane where to somehow fight a being with infinite power over a 2 dimensional plane who do you believe is stronger

[viscid quarry]

I’d say the 3rd dimensional being due to the ability to simply do things a 2nd dimensional being can’t

[prime lantern]

There is no right answer

[viscid quarry]

I really did just get tricked into trying to answer a paradox didnt i

[prime lantern]

No

[viscid quarry]

Then what is it

[prime lantern]

It's not a paradox

[woven sage]

It's just conceptually not answerable tbh

At least to any satisfying degree

[viscid quarry]

Ok well that makes sense

[prime lantern]

Simple the 2 dimensional being can utilize and output more energy than I yet it is not capable of effecting me

Atleast that Is what my friend with a PhD in physics tells me

[viscid quarry]

Yeah I’d believe your friend on that

[prime lantern]

Does this sound like someone we know

Eepy time

[viscid quarry]

Yeah don’t have any clue

Unless your meaning something relating to Wally which is a stretch

[prime lantern]

I rise from my nap

I want a crab warframe

[viscid quarry]

My brother in the lotus

Make a frame look like one

Or start bullying de to make one

Preferably with j

[prime lantern]

I gave completely forgot where I was going with that btw

Whatever thought process I had is gone to the ether

[silk sable]

can someone help me, im in the new war mission and im up to the lotus and ballas boss fight and i've destroyed all the smaller orb things but nothing is happening, i've watched a video and when the guy in the video destroys the last sun and kills the enemies lotus then go's for ballas and destroys him but lotus is still going for me?

[viscid quarry]

Nooooooooooo

[viscid quarry]

Kill the ether obtain the thought process

[junior forum]

Hey guys, so the girl in the opening cinematic should be the operator, right? But the operator should be in cryo-sleep, so is it representing the operator's consciousness, or is it somebody else? She has the neuroptics, so it should be operator though. Confusion. Also, why are they fighting the Dax in the old war?

[wild copper]

i forgot exactly who the girl is in the opening
but they're fighting dax because the tenno rebelled against the orokin, which caused the orokin to fall apart (among other things)
dax were orokin soldiers, so it's natural that they'd fight during the collapse

[junior forum]

Ah, I see. For some reason, I thought they were still supposed to be fighting sentients. Somehow forgot that they rebelled.

[cyan crest]

she’s theorized to be Mara who is the stand in operator for DE, and as to why she’s there, I believe she’s not really

[fading flame]

what you're missing is that she's seeing memories of the past

when the warframes were used to fight the dax

[cyan crest]

the grineer do not react to her disappearing right in front of of their eyes, i believe she’s just a representation of the operator regaining control of their old frame

[fading flame]

this shot shows the jump in time between when they were left there and when they were found by mara

[cyan crest]

the op never said both things happened at the same time tho

[fading flame]

? they're implying they thought it was the 'operator'/mara fighting in the past and not just flashbacks

[cyan crest]

no, they didn’t know why they were fighting dax in the past

then someone else clarified that it was after they rebelled

[nova harness]

The woman in the trailer doesn’t even look like Mara

[tiny knot]

When have we ever actually seen Mara?

[rain otter]

Trailers.

Exactly trailers.

[balmy storm]

I got the Lua in the void skybox

[tiny knot]

But we've seen both a male Drifter and a female Tenno

[ocean void]

a male (Drifter) men and a female (Tenno) child?

[rain otter]

i love that for him.

[tiny knot]

Which one of the goobers is actually Mara?

[rain otter]

the Void is just pure hrt obvs.

[tiny knot]

Mara really took well to the T

[rain otter]

nodders.

[tiny knot]

Better beard than mine smh

[rain otter]

lul

[prime lantern]

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[craggy solstice]

[arctic sonnet]

👀

[compact condor]

So I didn't know where to put edits and such so sorry if here isn't it. But I was playing around with face app while talking to a bunch of friends and I made Nora just a teensy bit more of a baddie😂

Moved it to spoilers cause not everyone has seen Nora

[livid aurora]

Damn that's good stuff

[balmy storm]

Female operator/drifter, we don’t have a script name for male drifter iirc

[nova harness]

Pedro Pascal

[balmy storm]

Pedro Pascal

[sharp sparrow]

I think some great themes for another Open World would be The Void (if Duviri doesn’t already fill that niche, perhaps it could be themed after ||Wally’s Murmur realm||), an Ocean Planet (we desperately need more Submersible Archwing content, imagine using a speargun to fish and performing conservation on subspecies of Lanx (those sharks from Grineer sealabs) and other aquatic critters), and ||Tau (if we ever get there, imagine stopping by a friendly Sentient outpost [not all the Sentients remained with Narmer after realizing Ballas planned on destroying Tau] and taking in the alien vistas that are sure to be there, what with it being in a neighboring star system and the Sentients having some members (the current Archons, formerly guardians called the Sentient Beasts) based on extinct Earth animals)||

[prime lantern]

I mean an issue with going to tau Is we don't have any vessel capable of getting there

Also even if they didn't side with narmer the ones in tau still won't like us

[rain otter]

Well the RJ maybe could.

Or we could repair the Solar rail but I doubt either of these will happen.

[nova harness]

Rebb said we aren’t going to Tau and that the story isn’t heading in that direction

[balmy storm]

Really?
Do you have a source for that? I’m guessing the AMA 👀

[cyan crest]

i always call him Hayden’t

[livid portal]

I'd say we would eventually go there

[steady heath]

who is mara

[wicked iron]

Internal name DE uses for the player character Tenno.

[nova harness]

DE chose Pedro Pascal for Drifter

[steep delta]

lmao

[amber terrace]

How do I/ can I explain Albrecht’s lore to one of my friends without sounding positively insane?

[granite glacier]

man's kinda already insane himself

[prime lantern]

Who was
Albretch entrati

If I must be a demon, let me be an honest one. Let me prove my nature by what I do next.

Purpose. Let me leave such blazing footprints behind me as no unclean thing would dare to walk in.

Albretch entrati was an incredibly important orokin figure responsible for the discovery of the void however whilst trying to discover it other orokin thought he was mad

Within the void albretch entrati encountered the man in the wall and ran out of the void severing the man in the walls fingers and losing his own sight and hearing

After exiting the void albretch was unsure wether he escaped or the man in the wall thus he consigned himself to death and refused continuity

Later albretch is healed by loid restoring his sight and hearing and albretch decided he must live and make up for his sins

Later albretch creates the cavia in secret not letting anyone but his servant and lover loid aid him within the secret lab on deimos

Eventually albretch discovers the void takes special interest in things that are far more unique than normal and thus sends the last breeding pair of cervulites (minn and tagfur) a norg (fibbanochi) and a bird (bird-3) into the void

Minn was killed within the void and the rest of cavia was gifted the ability to speak however they could only speak in void tongue the void also made them people or a singular persona during this trip

Eventually albretch vanished into duviri and attempted to fix whatever issues were existing in duviri and leave behind his legacy in the embodiment of the story made his daughter

Albretch then lands in 1999 and cures people fron that year of a great disease however for some he re infected them with helminth making partial warframes like arthur

Albretch Later comes back to his own time during the old war and used genetic information from arthur and the grey strain of the infested to create the vessels giant warframe like construct designed to potentially fight wally

[amber terrace]

This is amazing! Mind if I save the text of this so in case I have to explain Albrecht again, I can just read off of this with added conjecture where relevant?

[prime lantern]

I don't mind at all

It was made by me with some provisions from grey and bau

All the walls of text I've sent are made by me with provisions from grey and bau

[viscid quarry]

That explains the waxing of poetics

[prime lantern]

The what

[viscid quarry]

The first two parts

Idk seems a bit dramatic but thats for the best tbh

Gotta ask if there’s something similar to that as to what Wally is or the basis of orokin society (no I’m not counting the bau theory as a summary of Wally and I’m not trying to steal from orokin archive)

[cyan crest]

wait but doesn’t he then go back to ‘99?

[prime lantern]

That's a qoute from albretch

[prime lantern]

Indeed he does

However I can't include it because that's too many characters

[viscid quarry]

Oh damn

[cinder steppe]

Yo there is this hella creepy cosmic horror Story within this game called Warframe where a scientist who was seen as a joke traveled to another dimension in a glass bell. The bell broke. And suddenly he was on the floor of his laboratory. Or so he thought, because as soon as he heard footsteps, he looked at HIMSELF. But with a twisted smile and hollow black eyes, taunting him in his childhood name. He tried to run but the room got smaller and the copy got closer. He somehow manages to escape through the portal but a hand followed through. He lost his voice so he wrote "Close it" on the window with his own blood. The closing of the portal chopped off a finger that suddenly began to grow. And yeah because these people were insane, they decided to use that giant finger as an energy source. However the creepiest part is that the scientist never knew if HE left the portal or.... The other..."

At least that's how I explain it

[viscid quarry]

We found the nonserious way of explaining it

[viscid quarry]

The most info dense way as far as I know is to just copy paste the albrecht notes from necraloid (find them in ororkin archive)

[hollow totem]

is this always here?

[tropic venture]

yes

[hollow totem]

ty

[glass birch]

Qorvex is so bizarre, there have gotta be like no actual biological parts in that guy

Concrete man cannot possibly be infested

[amber terrace]

When properly cultivated, the Helminth Strain can do some wacky things

[fading flame]

Keep in mind the big people statues are also infested hybrid just using a different strain

[viscid quarry]

That’s what we debated before his release and well the conclusion is to see if there’s anything that could possibly be organic, needless to say there is

(For example citrine has organic parts despite how she looks)

[long bloom]

Is there a reason folks don't even try to get any of the 8 voca on missions? o_0

[viscid quarry]

Honestly it’s due to people not having half a void damned will to actually get all 8

(Welp thank god loid doesn’t flag that)

[fading flame]

Map too big

[long bloom]

i've ran through the lab. its not that big XD

[fading flame]

If I see them or orokin eye spots one I grab but I'm not actively searching for them

Especially if I'm doing bounties

[long bloom]

also. ever gone out the broken wall of the lab , to where the phone is.. and looked up?

[rain otter]

Yeah.

Big wall face.

[rain otter]

To be fair if you get the high rarity ones you can leave. It's how the Zariman works.

[long bloom]

well . after running just 1 exterm solo, have the voca to get to colleague after i get all my standing after tonights reset

[near rune]

I ping Orokin Eye every now and then and I look in common spots (the extract tile, that tall end cap, etc). If I get the Echo Voca I usually just stop there.

The sound they make is also pretty distinctive so if I hear it I'll look for it

[ornate valve]

i love when duviri lets you have your main. even better when your mod config is better than the one it gives you

happened like 3 out of the 5 times i've gone. i thought the pool would be a lot worse but im actually pretty happy with this

also it gives you chances to try out some of the newer/different warframes than you normally would play so that's also a bonus
I've got a few issues with duviri but this is a W imo

[desert cargo]

My main issue is it crashes way too often.

[lean lily]

duviri was my fav activity until i milked it to death

[deft rampart]

duviri tries to keep about 60% of the choices it offers, items that your account actually owns.

so the more items you have, that you actually put good builds on, the better your experience is, and the fewer items you have overall, the more often your favorites should come around

[deft rampart]

that is a "haha, the console versions are buggy" issue, rather than a duviri one, runs perfectly fine on PC

[viscid quarry]

Idk I’ve been having problems on pc like that time I lost all control save for melee on my drifter when i got back from the undercroft

[desert cargo]

There's also that weird weapon that you can sometimes get. My favorite thing to do is get as many decrees as possible with the run speed decree, and run Grendle or Volt.

[misty ore]

To fight the archons with drifter

You just hide from them

Do not get close iirc

[nova harness]

You know how to fight Archons without using Inaros?

[misty ore]

normally I just sit there and watch them

Nira freezes me? Don’t care

Amar clones? Use a scanner

Boreal moves I aim

[misty ore]

And yes this works

Not sure if they patched it though

[ionic sleet]

@visual parrot Which Archon are you currently struggling with?

[pallid plover]

Can you equip scanners in the quest?

[misty ore]

Probably Nira

[misty ore]

Yes iirc

That’s how I did it the first time around

I pulled out a scanner and found the real one

I didn’t even know I could just look for the weapons

[visual parrot]

All of them

[misty ore]

Boreal is probably the easiest one iirc

Just make sure to heal OFTEN

[nova harness]

The Wolf shows the real one as red on map

[misty ore]

You are not using a Warframe so no shield gate so you need to heal after like every hit

[misty ore]

No radar as drifter

Oh wait there is now since they added that for QoL

[ionic sleet]

In the NW quest, Drifter has a radar ability.

[misty ore]

Oh that

[ionic sleet]

It really help with Amar.

[visual parrot]

I get him halfway and he serves me an instant loss by teleporting every hit i try to dish him

[misty ore]

I feel old

[ionic sleet]

You need to make of smokescreen often

[visual parrot]

He sees through it somehow

[ionic sleet]

Amar likes to be in melee range.

[misty ore]

NW was quite difficult when it first released ngl

[flat shadow]

Try one of the other ones. You don't have to do them in a specific order.

[visual parrot]

Same with boreal and nira

[nova harness]

I understand you are used to Inaros and not Drifter

[visual parrot]

Im used to having my frames

[ionic sleet]

We all are. But these aren't too difficult if you focus on what you have available as the Drifter and remember that it's not something you can brute force.

[visual parrot]

For some reason as i said, they can see through the smokescreen

[misty ore]

I’m like the least useful person for advice

My brain is as smooth as it comes

[nova harness]

Your brain is made of sand isn’t it

[misty ore]

They won’t if you stay inside

[misty ore]

yes.

If you go outside of the smoke you’ll no longer be “invis”

[ionic sleet]

It only has a 10 meter radius, not big, so be careful not to step outside it's range.

[visual parrot]

I do and boreal teleports behind me and ends me

[misty ore]

It’s that small..?

That’s not a lot of wiggle room lol

[ionic sleet]

You don't need much really.

Smokescreen, then heal.

[nova harness]

Maybe watch a YouTube vid on the fight and see if what they are doing will help you

[visual parrot]

I did, and i noticed something else, i can't airdash like they can

[misty ore]

Air dash?

Like roll in the air?

[visual parrot]

Yes

[misty ore]

Jump then roll.

[visual parrot]

And it doesn't work

[misty ore]

Does ur roll button even work?

[visual parrot]

Yes it does

[misty ore]

Also while rolling you get like a 75% DR so

[ionic sleet]

Drifter can't parkour really. You can do a regular roll, that's about it.

[visual parrot]

Yet when I try to roll in the air it decides it wants to screw me

[fallen verge]

i want a cowboy hat for the drifter

[misty ore]

You can utilize that if you can time it but not really worth it imo (coming from an Inaros player)

[fallen verge]

drifter hats when?

[nova harness]

I want Albrechts coat

[fallen verge]

jojo

cant have the coat w/o his hat

kate btw. pro tip: SLIDE. like, alot

[visual parrot]

Its truly aggravating when boreal is halfway and he teleports behind me and one shots me before i can heal

[misty ore]

Also how are you getting one shot

[fallen verge]

heal only when behind cover

go out of ur way to stop attacking and find some when on low hp

[misty ore]

You should have enough HP to avoid getting one shot so just make sure you’re always topped up on HP

[visual parrot]

There is no cover when he teleports behind me

[ionic sleet]

This is good advice. Drifter cannot tank.

[fallen verge]

at least, not new war drifter

[ionic sleet]

I don't remember Boreal teleporting... might be a good idea to watch a vid.

[misty ore]

You cannot treat NW like normal Warframe and run around

[fallen verge]

he does. not often tho. only when u get too far away

[visual parrot]

Then i think im done with warframe

[misty ore]

[fallen verge]

man, is he gonna HATE duviri

[misty ore]

LOL

Tbf even I die sometimes with drifter

[fallen verge]

i still want drifter melee in the origin system

i havent forgotten DE

[misty ore]

(Mainly due to fall damage but we don’t talk about that)

[fallen verge]

gimmie back my swords

[ionic sleet]

Maybe not a bad idea to put it down for a while. Watch some vids on it when you're ready to come back and try again.

[ornate valve]

interesting. this explains why I keep getting at least one frame that I've modded almost every run

[real niche]

You can also just build Operator and be cracked regardless of poop loadouts

[misty ore]

Me with 10000% more movement speed

Dying to fall damage every time I move

[ornate valve]

just to make sure what exactly do you mean by build operator? do you mean the way paths or something else

[misty ore]

Decrees

[ornate valve]

oh yeah those are busted. I one shotted all of kullervo's phases last night

[pallid plover]

Yes, and amp, and arcanes

[ornate valve]

ok, that's about what I thought. didn't know arcanes carried over into duviri

[real niche]

Naramon, 746 Amp, R0 Trojan, Magus Melt and Eternal Logistics.
From there Decrees will carry to level cap

[misty ore]

They don’t unless ur in the undercroft

Or circuit

[ornate valve]

ah, I figured as much since that's the only time your can actually use operator abilities

is the circuit just an endless series of undercroft maps or does it work different? I haven't played it yet as I've been grinding specifically for kullervo my past few runs

[real niche]

Endless Undercroft

[ornate valve]

okay neat, are there resources you can only get from there?

[real niche]

Incarnon upgrades

[fallen verge]

incarnon zaws when?

[misty ore]

Never

[ornate valve]

I'm going to be mildly upset about this for the next 29 seconds (just learned about incarnon genesis)

[fallen verge]

:<

[gaunt leaf]

Does the regular duvuri experience just give you resources for the dormizone "shop" and for its specific weapons/stuff??

[next hatch]

found this in duvuri what is it?

[wraith eagle]

There are puzzles that use those.

[next hatch]

aaaah ok

tyvm

[near rune]

Not entirely sure what you're asking. The Duviri Experience (and Lone Story) give you Duviri-specific resources. These resources can be spent at Acrithis' shop to buy some decorations and other items. They are also used to build the Duviri weapons, whose blueprints you purchase with Pathos Clamps. The Incarnon Geneses you get from Steel Path Circuit also need Duviri resources to install. Other than that, Duviri resources aren't used too much in the rest of the game. If the "Dormizone shop" you reference is Hombask, then no, Duviri has nothing to do with that.

[gaunt leaf]

I meant Acrithic when I said dormizone shop cause she's literally in the dormizone

[nova harness]

Acrithis

[rain otter]

She is also just in Duviri as well.

[tropic venture]

duviri resources are used in crafting various things like the warframe versions of the drifter melees, Kullervo and his weapon etc.

[still wolf]

what is this even? i just finished the second dream, and after leaving the saturn relay while working on the railjack i saw this in the sky.

[tropic venture]

oh, that's weird. You should not be seeing that already

[obtuse gyro]

Wow, youre not meant to be there yet

Its a spoiler to know, do you want to?

[tropic venture]

ig it makes sense that they saw that at Saturn but

[obtuse gyro]

But Im surprised that their gamestate pulled it out like that

[viscid quarry]

Ok wow how did you even get there

You shouldn’t even be seeing anything like it yet

[still wolf]

oh! nah, if it's like a huge spoiler or smth i'll just wait to find out lol. but here's it happening

[tropic venture]

yeah that's like major story spoiler

[obtuse gyro]

Its a major spoiler, but what it is... you have already heard

[still wolf]

i've seen it once before in duviri's skybox, but i assumed it was just limited to that area, and i didn't REALLY get what was going on

[tropic venture]

yeah Duviri is "meant" to be played much later, was released after one of the latest story quests

[still wolf]

oh lmao I had heard that it was a new player experience like a year ago or smth, so I figured it'd be a good idea to play it now that I'm returning to the game like 10 years later

oops

[tropic venture]

yeah they made it available super early, which I never quite agreed with or understood why

it's the content-island to beat all others, and its story context only really makes sense way later

[still wolf]

alright, i think i'll get out of this channel for now till i've actually played through all of the story lol. appreciate the help though!

[tropic venture]

yeah way too many people are just unable to not insert 15 spoilers in every message

[prime lantern]

Secret

[tiny knot]

Well... Duviri is meant to be played whenever, honestly. It's available to newer players for a reason, and can give you story hints to connect later so it isn't as much of a jumbled mess

[real niche]

Should've been locked until Second Dream honestly

[tiny knot]

Ehhh, Chains of Harrow

[viscid quarry]

I’d say till the new war

[ocean void]

I say Durivi should be after the The Zarimen quest as it introduces the void rift but The New war also does that so…

[tropic venture]

yeah Duviri is best done after Zariman imo.

[ocean void]

to be fair, nobody recalls the sword stabs relationship of the beginning of Durivi to the New War

[tropic venture]

I do

How can anyone miss that

[ocean void]

Not a lot of people will remember the sword stab if you started Durivi then progress the Tenno quest after

[tropic venture]

yeah true

plus Teshin with the broken Veil

[ocean void]

True, Teshin mess things up

[tropic venture]

imagine meeting old Duviri Teshin before younger Origin Teshin

[ocean void]

Is Teshin dead?
No
Why is there a projector in the relay of him?
Reasons I can not say for spoiler

True, there such an age difference seeing old man then a young man after

[tropic venture]

well Teshin isn't dead, but he's not in the Origin System anymore

he got his Veil off, got sucked into the Void with the Operator and Natah, landed in Duviri long before Natah did, grew old, then Natah enters Duviri and the Operator/Drifter gets stabbed

very non-linear flow of events

[ocean void]

This is what the time supposed to be after The New quest

But Whisper of the Wall broke everything and DE has to rearranged the main line quest

[tropic venture]

Whispers didn't really change the timeline so far tho?

we've had time travel for a while before it, and in Whispers it's with Void Untime so it's even less bound by causality

[prime lantern]

How

[tropic venture]

yeah Whispers didn't change the timeline at all

[steady stag]

replaying New War to scan those Sentient empyrean units
and... wtf

[obtuse gyro]

but it didnt

[tropic venture]

Drifter and Operator both decided to just stay in the Zariman and chill

[lone bay]

we have the dormizone

[nova harness]

Just one of the many rooms on the Zariman to chill in

[near rune]

This bug happened to me the first time I played TNW

[amber terrace]

Something I can’t quite wrap my head around: the adult crew of the Zariman were all killed in one way or another, but the void created an amount of replicas with all the memories of their real space born counterparts. When the Cavia succumb to their void exposure and come back, is this a similar mechanism, but more refined?

[obtuse gyro]

I wouldnt exactly call it a similar mechanism, the cavia are closer to us than to the holdfasts

They still got their original bodies like us

Just got a massive dose of void tomfoolery

[fading flame]

so a unique thing with the remaining holdfasts is that they all killed themselves before going insane by void exposure

that is why they were able to reform themselves

the 'angels' are those who did go insane to void exposure and either died or got warped by the void

the cavia were specifically made the way they are by man in the wall for a reason we dont really know super well yet

[near rune]

This is a bit of speculation honestly. There were a lot of Holdfasts originally – most or all of the crew were reincarnated. Over time they turn into Angels if they succumb to the Void's song. The fact that the four we meet aren't Angels just means they're the last four that held fast. Yes, they all died before going insane, but there's no evidence that's related to them being able to resist the song. During Angels of the Zariman, they're quite convinced they will be Angels too soon.
There's also a theory (not confirmed) that Kira was the "Angel" from the ARG audio files, which if true means that one of the crew who held out the longest (she was the last to become an Angel) also went insane way earlier than the others.

[obtuse gyro]

If by void exposure you mean taken over by wally then yea

Rell's chains of harrow comic shows that what happened on the zariman isnt what happened when goobers run around in the void and need to be locked up to regain their sanity

I need to relook at the arg stuff because I think the point where its up in the air is whether kira reacts to the logs because she recognises the person in the logs or that listening to the logs in general for her made her succumb

Clyde bot what the heck, wdym I dont share a server with gray

[near rune]

Yeah I thought the latter but I can see the case for the former. However, the main reason I don't think Kira is Angel is this line: "I call them Angels. Just my way of reminding myself what they used to be." Apparently Kira is the one who called them Angels (which Quinn also says), so why would she use her own nickname/pet name? Like I guess it would make sense for The Husband to call them Angels if he knows his angel is one of them, but it's the other way around.

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, they almost became angels too if it werent for us doming kira

[obtuse gyro]

I have a few psychoanalytical texts that might say why

[near rune]

I didn't say as much because technically we don't know, I think. But they definitely think they will become Angels and the story was kind of screaming that at us. But in theory they could be wrong in some way.

[obtuse gyro]

No like I mean thats the final part of the quest, the finger fires off a red pulse which we see almost convert quinn and then they all go silent until (or around them) we kill kira

[prime lantern]

Instead they draw from us a light bright enough to drown out the man in the wall

[near rune]

Yes we see the red flashes of light but we don't know exactly what it means. I mean I'm just being overly pedantic here, it's very clear what was going on. I just was playing it safe in my comment because I didn't want to be well-actually'd.

[obtuse gyro]

Something something repetition compulsion something something melancholia something something depression

[obtuse gyro]

Well actually

[obtuse gyro]

But back to the point

Fair, but Ive always interpreted the red pulse into quinns red glow/aura as he goes brrr and cut off to indicate that the finger did something that might have converted them if not for us

[prime lantern]

I think it's neat that we shine as bright as the man in the wall

Maybe we could alter infinite timelines if we try hard enough

[fading flame]

i mean there's more to it than that

turning into an angel is specifically caused by exposure to the reliquary drive

as the void constructs that they are they need void energy to survive and the only source of that around is the reliquary drive which is corrupting them (and also a link to the man in the wall)

[fading current]

Let’s all hold hands and form a giant Tenno circle and figure it out😂

[west shoal]

I'm lowkey disappointed the Zariman doesn't have a fishing area. I want to see what Void Fish look like.
Say an aquarium on board busted open and made an indoor pool and the fish mutated

Also fishing in Warframe is one of my favorite activities so yeah

[obtuse gyro]

Thats what duviri is for

[steady stag]

Duviri and everything in it are made from Void manifestation, so Duviri fish is kinda "Void Fish at home" for that lol

but Void Angel fish, sadly no

btw, saying about Zariman, I want this ball lol

[obtuse gyro]

you can play lunaro in the conclave

[steady stag]

nah I dont want to play space rugby
I just want to have the ball to kick around in my orbiter

but hear me out

[steady stag]

Murmur Fish

[rain otter]

You do get the Fish from the Maw

You can put them in your Personal quarters aquarium.

[rain otter]

If you throw this ball through the hoops it makes a victory noise.

[fallen verge]

thrax when i comment about him not being a real orokin

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-paradox-dominus-thrax-kneeling-defeat-gif-12098844900635879253

also the fact that the pc in the sanctum anatomica states that the drifter is the 1 who created duviri

[obtuse gyro]

which is a thing we've known since the end of the duviri paradox

the PC is just consolidating a quick lore summary up to Whispers

[fallen verge]

hard to tell what's real sometimes since sometimes characters are either contradictory in some statements or actually lying to you so i just appreciate the pc

[west shoal]

Wait really? How do I retrieve them?

[obtuse gyro]

by feeding the maw you will get fish

[viscid quarry]

But still no lunaro weapon so we can’t dunk on enemies

[near rune]

If you get a perfect score (15 fish as opposed to 10) then you have a chance to receive one of the fish you ate. You can then put it in your Personal Quarters aquarium (no other use).

[undone lodge]

No trophies?

The wall hanging stuff I mean not achievements

[ocean void]

That’s what Dog Dags event for, to throw water at everyone and buy balls to play with it in your orbital

[ocean void]

DE was going allow to use Lunaro in the game as they showcase the gameplay on dev-stream but turn it down after losing the ball so much

[obtuse gyro]

Hey now that youre back mind explaing what you mean by whispers breaking everything?

[ocean void]

Timeline of Elbert as we don’t know much what time he came in origin system

[obtuse gyro]

I want you to walk me through how that is

1. breaking
2. everything

And what do you mean what time he came in origin system

[ocean void]

Time travel

[obtuse gyro]

And? How is that breaking

[ocean void]

Time travel always breaking stuff

[obtuse gyro]

So basically, its not breaking everything

[ocean void]

Nope, it just breaking linear of time

[obtuse gyro]

And with the strands of khra, its breaking nothing

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not even a whisper's issue lmao

[ocean void]

Whisper introduce Albert with a drip outfit

[viscid quarry]

im aware and still so sad it isnt around

[ocean void]

It would come back in April mostly

[vagrant anchor]

Switch版で内なる紛争の怯んだマウに転移が出来なくて詰んでるんですが解決策ありませんか😭？

[prime lantern]

Flawless logic

Can you provide a specific example of what has been broken

[ocean void]

Who came first of entering the Orgin system, The Zarimen ship or The New War quest. Cause the Angel of Zarimen time explanation still lost of how it enter the Orgin system

[graceful zodiac]

New War

That's literally explained in the beginning of Angels of the Zariman

[ocean void]

Then how did our Operator enter the Zarimen ship to talk to drifter?

[graceful zodiac]

Most likely the same thought palace setting that was War Within

And even then, we coul still just enter the Void itself

[ocean void]

During The New War

After the New war and beginning of Angel of Zarimen

We literally enter the Zarimen ship from our orbital while Angel of Zarimen have to open a rift for use to get on board

[graceful zodiac]

No? In both cases it's just flying to the ship. Angel's is just when it's in actual realspace permanently

The visuals are the same because it's half plugging up a hole, half it's connection to Duviri

[ocean void]

Then why during 1 minutes in the Angel of Zarimen quest the Ten Zero Ship was breaking the void rift?

[graceful zodiac]

Because that's it appearing to plug the hole Wally made

[ocean void]

Then explain why the Zarimen ship was already in Orgin system during the New War quest

[graceful zodiac]

It wasn't most likely

In either case of us actually going there or it being a mind trip

[ocean void]

Ballas literally just say in the picture

[graceful zodiac]

Ballas talking has bearing on this

[ocean void]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCd06b6SDUc

At 2:40:00 minutes in the Zarimen ship came to Orgin system

[graceful zodiac]

Ballas talking about Lotus has no relevance to whether the Zariman was actually there or not

[ocean void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucdI9PKfkg

[graceful zodiac]

It's a whole cutaway

[ocean void]

1 minutes in the The Zarimen ship was introduced

[graceful zodiac]

And still doesn't show Ballas's words having any bearing here

[ocean void]

Durivi explains how Dax and Drifter came into the Orgin system and Durivi by falling into a portal

[graceful zodiac]

Duviri estblishes Drfiter chose to come into the system, yes

[ocean void]

It’s literally a metaphor of the Zarimen ship

[graceful zodiac]

It's not? They have no connection at all

[ocean void]

Yeah but why would DE put a picture of Zarimen ship in the cut scene?

[graceful zodiac]

Both a teaser and to establish the scene

[ocean void]

Correct but it’s fit how the Zarimen ship came to Orgin system

So the time linear broke

[graceful zodiac]

It doesn't

We know that look is partially because the Zariman is also connected to Duviri

[obtuse gyro]

Homie no

You keep saying linear time linear time but like... nothing youve shown is doing that?

Especially in the context of whispers in the wall

[ocean void]

Explain how nobody see a massive ship holding the dam of the void wall in bright blue light

[obtuse gyro]

Homie do you know the size of our system?

[graceful zodiac]

Why would anyone be paying attention to begin with

[obtuse gyro]

^

[graceful zodiac]

At best it would've been out for, what, 30 minutes?

[ocean void]

How did we find it?

[obtuse gyro]

Because it was broadcasting

[ocean void]

In the New War quest

[graceful zodiac]

In the New War? The same way we ended up on the mountain in War Within, pure vibes

Or, our literal quantum entanglement with the other person that was there

[prime lantern]

The Mountain was just memory stuff no?

[obtuse gyro]

We went to the real mountain in the end

[near rune]

During The New War, it's not explained how the Operator goes to the Zariman. Atsia points out that it might be in the Void, not in real-space, or that it might be a projection/mindscape and thus not a real event. Another example is that it appears briefly during TNW, we go there, and then it disappears again before reappearing for Angels of the Zariman – but that's kind of wonky tbh. It's even possible that the cutscene from Angels of the Zariman is showing what took place during TNW, and so the Zariman has been there since mid-TNW, though I strongly don't believe this theory. The point is that there are multiple possible explanations for the Zariman's appearance, and although DE has yet to fully explain the timeline, that doesn't mean that "linear time is broken" or whatever.
Sorry to come to this discussion a few hours late.

[rain otter]

First part is not correct.

Teshin fell Into Duviri

During the new war.

[fading flame]

it's partly more of a meta thing, AotZ was originally cut content including the scene of the zariman reappearing in the origin system

[near rune]

Do you happen to know which stream they said this?

[fading flame]

i dont have an exact quote but they were open about cutting some of the major gameplay (zariman) so that it wasn't another 4 months delayed

aotz was the cut zariman stuff and veilbreaker was the cut narmer stuff but both are pretty underdeveloped still

afaik the moment when the drifter and operator meet in the zariman that is stuck in the void is supposed to be the catalyst for the drifter's zariman's reappearance in the origin system, as the operator is now simultaneously the drifter that was trapped in the void on the zariman/duviri and the operator that was recovered off the zariman when it came out of the void long before

[rain otter]

The Zariman that is in the Origin System couldn't be the drifters cuz the Holdfasts talk about the Kids having powers.

If the kids have powers that means it's not the drifters Zariman.

Cuz the Drifter does not have powers until we/lotus appear in Duviri even then his powers in duviri are not like void blast lmao.

[limber terrace]

In my interpretation, the seperation of the drifter and the operator's timelines happened at the moment the operator received the deal from their doppelganger.

It seems like the drifter didn't get that deal, only gaining the same abilities as the operator once the Operator connected with the drifter during the mid point of TNW.

It's one Zariman, simultaneously (paradoxically) in the void and not in the void. Duviri (as created by the drifter) leaks into the zariman and vice vera. Duviri exists in the void, outside of both time and space. Events there happen, have happened, will happen without regard to how we perceive the flow time.

I believe our Tenno (an amalgamation of the Operator and the Drifter) themselves technically exist outside of spacetime as void-borne projections. They each have continuity of self from their own perspective, but they are effectively projected facsimiles of two potential futures of the original child that was aboard the Zariman. We're technically not 'still alive', but we're not dead either, which canonically explains how we can seemingly be killed in a mission and instead of dying we just find ourself back in these orbiter controlling the warframe again with 'transference static', just like the moment the Operator was run through with the Paracesis, only we fell/were pulled into the Void before we 'reset'.

Also worth noting that canonically the Zariman has appeared and disappeared before. It reappeared after the accident long enough for the Orokin to recover the children and then disappeared again, reappearing during TNW at least long enough for the Operator to locate the dormizone (the threshold to Duviri). It could easily as disappeared again after that, to then reappear a little later after Ballas opened the massive void portal and the Lotus closed it.

TMITW trying to push through into our reality...

[nova harness]

The Zariman was just thrown back into the Void

[obtuse gyro]

That last paragraph is an interesting thought, but few things:

1. the tenno post tsd is not really an amalgam, both void signatures are present. Its less "outside space time" and more hulk-banner

2. when you get clapped in op mode, your health stops at 2 (or 1 sometimes) you never actually hit 0. Furthermore, the Unairu tree specifies that the operator in that instance is downed, which doesn't necessitate killed. Tenno can't die yes, but we're not being "killed" in that moment.

3. Before TNW we've already had moments where when we actually "die" we are shown to be in some sort of fetal position in the void. Hell, even the moment we get stabbed in TNW we havent been linked up to the Drifter yet.

The only way I see this making sense is if you idea of the Amalgam occured at the moment of the split.

However the splitting of the timelines between drifter and operator doesnt really form this idea of "amalgam tenno" because as seen in TNW (then subsequently elaborated in AoTZ) they aren't "linked" or together yet.

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally while its not clear why the Zariman is back in the void, we know the orokin aimed to get rid of it and all this related (but not the kids the moment they became useful) so throwing it back into the void is quite the possibility

[limber terrace]

True.

Worth nothing that in those instances where we 'die' during quests, we reset to before the fail state, could totally just be gameplay function, but it could be the difference that in those instances we aren't currently tethered to a warframe.

War Within happens in our own mind sho that doesn't hold much weight, but the fight against Umbra in The Sacrifice does.

As for the Tenno being linked prior to TNW, I didn't really intent to imply that they are fully connected to one another prior to that moment, but that I believe that they each are a version of an entity that was 'born' from the idea of the original child that was aboard the zariman. The Operator formed from the version of the child that took the doppelganger's deal, all of their possible alternate futures coalesced and they escaped; while the drifter formed from a version of the child that didn't, and was stuck on the zariman, trapped in the void; forming duviri both to protect themself and to not be alone.

In heart of deimos its shown that if the void is totally cut off from our reality the operator starts to lose their abilities. The warframes become near impossible to use effectively. I think in that moment the operator was 'fading' so to speak. They are being 'projected' from the void and with the door closed the operator started to be unmade.

In fact I believe they are still separate entities post New War, but one always has to exist in each place; one in the void, one in reality. However, they gain there ability to trade places back and forth once they make metaphysical contact (at which time the drifter gains the operator's powers) in TNW.

The scene in the Zariman with both of them only happens because the zariman straddles the gap, and in the area around it the void and our reality are leaking into one another, creating a zone where the drifter could temporarily exist in the same 'space' at the operator.

When I said that but about the tenno being an amalgamation of the two I meant

[limber terrace]

That we play as 'The Tenno', that being both entities, which are two separate projected versions of the same child

[obtuse gyro]

Got word limited huh

[limber terrace]

Yip

[obtuse gyro]

Relatable

[nova harness]

Discord things 2000 words is enough

[prime lantern]

I didn't quite interpret the new war deal as coalescing more wally killing our alternative (bar Drifter because 4d cheating) to ensure his potential vessel is the most unique to ever be a thing

Also I don't heart of deimos mentioned the heart affecting the operator

[nova harness]

It's what makes you special, you know that, right? All thanks to my father. It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void. The Entrati family maintained it for an age. But it's breaking down, and the only idiot that knows how to fix it... the man I used to call my husband.