spoiler-chat

[supple dagger]

I made a forum post about it in bugs in the art section

[umbral granite]

Random question

What if khal was turned into a partial warframe

[obtuse gyro]

then he'll be a partial warframe

[umbral granite]

Would he still rot tho

[nova harness]

Yes

Might even rot faster

[umbral granite]

Or make it easier for the infestation to progress further than it was meant to

[nova harness]

Yes

Turning a grineer into a full Warframe might work but hard to tell

[real niche]

We haven't seen the Warframe process on a Grineer so we can't say anything about what would happen

[supple dagger]

Wouldn't that just make a ghoul

A partial warframe would be heavily susceptible to the hive "minds" overtaking them

[rugged marsh]

Sick music dude.

[supple dagger]

It's part of the sevagoth deluxe bundle

[rugged marsh]

Cool

[supple dagger]

Set it on my somacord to repeat cause I like the song and we all lift

[rugged marsh]

Yeah.

[rain otter]

Oh

[rugged marsh]

We all lift is the best Keith powers has done

[rain otter]

That's what the remix sounds like.

It plays when you use his 4 as well.

I like sleeping in cold below more then we lift together or for Narmer but it's close.

They are all good.

[rugged marsh]

All good

[supple dagger]

Gives me Jack Sparrow vibes

[rugged marsh]

My list is we all lift, Narberth, Cold below

Narmer*

Wow autocorrect

[supple dagger]

My autocorrect looks more like AI assistance

[rain otter]

Smiles from Juran is a really good instrumental.

I just really like sea shanties.

[supple dagger]

Did you see the cat one?

[rain otter]

Idk what that means?

[supple dagger]

1 second

[supple dagger]

https://youtu.be/aYDkG2JWKc4?si=S4VHXO04GVwVZyQl

[rain otter]

Oh lul

[supple dagger]

This

They made really wholesome music

[plain pilot]

So a friend of mine is having struggles with the quest "Veilbreaker" because the game is not allowing him to give the command to Rogg to blow up the debris. It just wont allow him, is this a bug or is something not being done right?

He thinks its a bug.

Nvm, he got it. It was just controller no work.

[lean juniper]

Wally is just our abusive space dad /j

[viscid quarry]

No

He’s the shady guy in the alleyway we once got drugs from and now wants our money (our part of the deal)

[lean juniper]

💀

I was just making a joke on how he refers to the operator same way their father did but I like yours better

[viscid quarry]

Hunhow is racist space grandpa

Lotus is space mum and teshin is adoptive space dad that died and went to get milk

[lean juniper]

Bro went to a whole new reality to find it

[nocturne garnet]

Idea:
There are 2 archons we haven't seen yet

since the 3 archons we fight each have a colour shard (Red, yellow and blue) and then fusion shards have orange, purple and green

and Pazuul has an orange one

👀

Who knows what the purple and green archons will be

[nocturne garnet]

also it is distinctly orange, looking at Nira's render

So we have an Owl, Wolf, Snake and Ram
And Pazuul speaks in biblical quotes hmm

[ocean void]

um… DE recolor Nira archon shard

It used to be orange but DE made it yellow for the archon shard fusion

[amber terrace]

What does this sigil mean? Is it just the Entrati family crest? I found the same sigil by Fibonacci, Tagfer, and Bird 3

Fibonacci

Tagfer

Bird 3

[supple dagger]

I wonder what that Orokin text translates to

[pine zephyr]

Is it just me or of all the void sigils xata is mentioned the most?

"Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame."

We gonna get raided on cetus er sumn like in new war during an echoes of the walls update? Or possibly a tau update?👀👀

[supple dagger]

I think the Requiem poem is a prophecy tbh. Like even that quote sounds like Ballas when he was trying to nuke the sun

[near rune]

"No god above knowledge"

[supple dagger]

Interestinggg

[ocean void]

[frozen stump]

bibically accurate necramech

[balmy storm]

Felarx’s description mentions game birds the Orokin created for hunting, I wonder if Bird 3 is one of those game birds

[north trail]

it feels like pretty much everything fits with it

like we thought wally was saying words that correspond to a poem and it still made sense even though it was misheard gibberish

(or maybe it was intentionally made to mislead us since de used that sequence in the zariman arg but i take that more as a retcon since the community liked it so much)

[nocturne garnet]

lighting

it looks orange in the dark lighting of the cutscene

without the bloom it's yellow

[north trail]

is it?

i haven't taken a close look at nira in game since witw but they definitely did recolor the icon for the shard item

[compact haven]

The amber shard was made a bit more yellow to further add distinction between it and topaz.

[north trail]

yes

[clear heron]

Are you supposed to be able to click the files on the computer in the new place?

In the sanctum automica

[nova harness]

Yes

Just only the Quest related ones

[clear heron]

I guess its bugged here on ps5, i cant click em

To the wiki i go

[rain otter]

Bird 3 is from a Jungle.

That isn't against your theory specifically but it is something to consider.

[balmy storm]

Orokin totally made a jungle for hunting

[rain otter]

they might idk lmao.

[nocturne garnet]

artificial jungle with animals designed to not be able to run sounds about right

actually wait

Felarx literally mentions game hunting

[balmy storm]

Idk bout not able to run, we’re talking hunting so it just depends on what the Orokin consider that to be
Is it the thrill of the chase?
Or just finding an animal and killing it

[nocturne garnet]

The Felarx invokes ancient times when aristocrats hunted game. For ceremonies, Orokin elites bred creatures reminiscent of game birds to reanimate cultural myths. They gave the Zariman crew Felarx and a brace of birds as a sign of acceptance into elite society. The brace of birds becomes a pair of pistols at the hands of the Void.

[balmy storm]

Yes that’s why I brought this up, Felarx

[nocturne garnet]

yee

[balmy storm]

Game hunting

[nocturne garnet]

It sounds very orokin to hunt game they engineered tho

ya I'd say Bird 3 probably is one of them

[balmy storm]

We know it is

[nocturne garnet]

I havent finished getting ranks with Loid :(

[balmy storm]

Artificial Jungle with an open Sky, since he can’t fly he can’t really get away

[nocturne garnet]

I need more of him

[balmy storm]

It’d probably be easier to get a hunting bird than a cervulite tbh

And a Norg is nothing

[nocturne garnet]

Norg is literally shooting fish in a barrel

[prime lantern]

Well yea somehow there was only 1 pair left

[balmy storm]

Orokin terraforming isn’t exactly friendly to the animals
Also potentially hunting
Pollution
Natural decline
There’s a hundred reasons why there was only 1 pair left

Considering Loid had to go through some trouble to get them they were either being actively protected or were known to exist in the wild but were elusive since there was only 2 remaining

Versus Bird 3 and Fib who probably weren’t as hard to get

I’d assume what makes each unique is the Cervulites were the last of their species, Bird 3 was bred for hunting so something natural created unnaturally and Norg’s look pretty dang unique and have a big brain(?)

[nocturne garnet]

wasnt he also originally called Eidolon Critter before actually being named

[balmy storm]

Which one?

[nocturne garnet]

tagfer

[balmy storm]

Oh idk

Tagfer does mean something though, you’ll find out what as you rank up

[nocturne garnet]

I remember that being his name during one of the tennocons that revealed stuff about whispers

oh yeah I
already figured that out myself ._.

man just needs a hug

[balmy storm]

That was years ago, the Cervulites were going to be a critter that lived on the planes that we could capture, hence the name “Eidolon Critter”
I remember being excited that we’d get this new freaky deer goat thingy and we never did, now there’s only 1 cause the entire species died out before we even woke up 😔

[strange moon]

Is Tagfer ||going to kill Alberecht||?

[prime lantern]

Wants to

[balmy storm]

He’ll def take the chance if he gets it

[strange moon]

I mean...how is he gonna do it?

||Ram Alberecht in the...knee or something?||

||Knock him back into the void?||

[balmy storm]

Bite him, scratch him, do everything he can

It isn’t a plan, it’s fueled by rage and depression

[strange moon]

I mean, it's going to be a surreal and weird cutscene, seeing ||Alberecht suddenly get headbutted randomly by a goat||

[balmy storm]

Considering they speak voidtongue maybe he’ll use that

[supple dagger]

Tagfer did try to kill Fibonacci soooo who knows what he’ll do when he meets Albrecht

[balmy storm]

tbf Fib’s an easier target than Albrecht, dude’s stuck in a tank and needs said tank so ramming that would be easier

[strange moon]

Albrecht: "Loid...I'm back."
Suddenly Tagfer headbutts Albrecht between the legs.
Albrecht slumps down on the floor. Tagfer charges right into Albrecht's face, knocking him cold.

[supple dagger]

That would be an interesting confrontation lol

[strange moon]

I'm not going to be surprized if a fever dream conclusion to 1999 ended with a goat.

[supple dagger]

I have a feeling Loid might just lock Tager up in a cage or something when Albrecht returns

[strange moon]

Imagine if Loid got killed by Tagfer, just to get to Albrecht

and then theres a boss fight between Tagfer and you

In the end, you have to pet the goat to subdue it.

[supple dagger]

Tagfer is secretly the true villain smh

[strange moon]

The Goat in the Wall

It would be really cool if, for a moment, the Lotus once again disappeared, and your mission control was Fibonacci for the rest of the season.

Fibonacci telling you a heavy force coming your way (it's the Grineer)

[supple dagger]

Ngl I would prefer that. Fibonacci and Astarion are both cool characters

[strange moon]

I want to hear Fibonacci talk about Kuva Siphons

he already gives his two cents regarding Dimensional Orbs

[amber terrace]

Are netracells supposed to be hard?

[woeful jacinth]

I think they are on same level as archon hunts, which isn't that hard

[amber terrace]

Ah, because I was about to say that I like the Grimoire, even in Netracell level(220-240 w/300% more Health and Armor where applicable) content, I feel like I’m pulling my fair weight

[rain otter]

I don't think they will meet. I think ||albretch will die or just stay in 1999||

[nocturne garnet]

Give us him as a lotus skin

[nocturne garnet]

I mean personally? ||I think he's already dead, Wally wouldn't find it hard to chase him down||

[nocturne garnet]

If you have a good build and your teammates aren't lobotomites usually netracell is pretty easy

[woeful jacinth]

Kinda surprised we don't have an Albrecht emote in the server

[nocturne garnet]

Albrecht pog when

[amber terrace]

Some of the goodies I found in the netracell rooms

[rain otter]

There Is also Arthur's sword but I need to take a shower. That is a duviri face though maybe even the Vagabond or just generic idk.

[amber terrace]

I forgor (💀) to screenshot the sword mb 😭

[rain otter]

Lul it's fine.

[rain otter]

Also in this screenshots the Orokin face thing is actually his that he wears in the states.

[supple dagger]

No way Albrechts dying that soon. He’s too much of a important character to the plot

[obtuse gyro]

Homie sent us a message from 1999, why would he be dead

[torpid lantern]

I just found out Warframe had OTHER plushies for their makeship campaign.
I'm so sad I didn't know they were running it. I love tagfer

https://www.makeship.com/petitions/tagfer-plushie

[amber marten]

I hope we get to help rebuild the Cervulite species, someone get Tesonai and Buiz on the phone.

And Son ||Kermerros||

[supple dagger]

I need those plushies

[amber marten]

Same

[viscid quarry]

We don’t have a female of the species but I presume that some genetic data of one must be around somewhere

[torpid lantern]

Maybe we could try imprints and cloning like we do with our kavats? They seem kinda similar

[flat shadow]

Makes sense to me. Gender for Kubrow and Kavats is random during generation anyway. Could always keep cloning until we get a girl.

[rain otter]

They wouldn't be Sentient like Tag though.

Also idk if Tagfer would want to be with anyone else.

[nocturne garnet]

they only mentioned Mr. Fish-o-nah-chee :(

[torpid lantern]

Ooo that's so strange. It did seem kinda funny given the size of the fanbase that Tagfer didn't even get 200 pledges

[nocturne garnet]

mhm

they linked the fishe in one of the announcements about makeship stuff

but never mentioned tagfer

[torpid lantern]

I'm not getting fish. Spoiler reasons. But poor Tagfer deserves a second chance run

[nocturne garnet]

repopulating the creature population by making tagfer plushies

[viscid quarry]

There’s still only a male to gather imprints from

We have no clue what a female looks like for the cervulite species

Much less their anatomy

[nocturne garnet]

What if we just have a billion tagfers

1 billion tagfer vs 1 albrecht entrati

[viscid quarry]

Albrecht would die unless he brought enough incendiary weapons to burn the entire human population

[nocturne garnet]

lmfao

he turns up with an ignis wraith

[supple dagger]

If Albrecht actually DIES to Tagfer I’m never going back to Sanctum Anatomica

[nova harness]

If Albrecht actually dies I’m throwing him into Duviri

[supple dagger]

…ok why does everyone hate Albrecht

[nocturne garnet]

Because he was mean to tagfer

That's my reason

[supple dagger]

Tagfer only hates Albrecht because of what he did to the Cavia, but Albrechts reason for sending the Cavia into the Void was a pretty solid one imo

[nocturne garnet]

Do you have rank 5 in Cavia yet?

[supple dagger]

Yep

[nocturne garnet]

points to tagfer's naming
There's more reason for him to hate entrati :p

Bro lost his only viable mate and is now sentient and having to go through the horrifying reality of it

[nova harness]

Nobody hates Albrecht they hate his decisions

[nocturne garnet]

He got it bad

[supple dagger]

Name one for example

I personally think his decisions were understandable

[nova harness]

Void obsession

[nocturne garnet]

He was always distant with Loid

Even if it had a reason it was still sad

[nova harness]

He ran away from his daughter without her ever knowing what happened to him making her obsessed with finding him

People don’t like his decisions more than don’t like him

[torpid lantern]

PeopIe are defined by their actions. We can't seperate the two. His pride led him to drawing MITW's eye, he abandoned his own family, caved to his obsession, mistreated loid, sacrificed an entire species for a worthless science project, and left for 1999 to do void only knows what while his past actions may well lead to the deaths of thousands when MITW destroys the Origin system.
IMO, there's little, if any, reasons to like him

[graceful zodiac]

You say that like the majority of those actions aren't specifically in trying to defend the Origin System from Wally.

Like, caving to an obsession is different from "gotta stop an Eldritch Abomination any way possible"

[nocturne garnet]

@tiny knot first off it's "voull ne xata vok, mara lohk?"

And we know mara lohk is referring to the operator
Most likely "void child"

Since Fibonacci refers to us as it in void tongue

[tiny knot]

Mara being child does make a lot more sense in context, as our name in scripts is Mara, which is a good catch-all

But Oull is still the wildcard

[nocturne garnet]

Lohk means void

Ne means truth iirc

It's ne or xata

I forget

Or no yeah, xata is truth

Ne is a connecting word (probably the)

[tiny knot]

Oull is the literal wildcard, Xata is truth, Ne isn't a known word

Probably

Voull Ne Xata Vok, Mara Lohk?

[nocturne garnet]

"Care for the lost truth, void child?" Is what most people think it is

[tiny knot]

Something about changing truths? Eternalism?
"Is that how you remember it?"

[nocturne garnet]

Yeah I could see that

[tiny knot]

Give us more Voidtongue DE

[nocturne garnet]

We get some of the words from the zariman

[tiny knot]

Also, this really puts the fear in you, man

As well as his appearance below the Void Angel ring

[nocturne garnet]

Question: What is the Wall?

Wrong answer (laughing): The barrier between rational reality and the Void.

Good answer ("XATA"): The wall of Bone in whiKU NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK?

What was the ultimate fate of Albrecht Entrati?

Wrong answer (laughing): he is entombed on Lua.

Right answer ("XATA"): that is the question, isn't it, Kiddo?

Curse my formatting

[tiny knot]

I have a really strong feeling NOMA could simply mean "name"

[nocturne garnet]

These two exist though, books being tainted with void tongue

The woods for you

[tiny knot]

KU maybe meaning "your" or "you?"

[nocturne garnet]

I'm unsure if Ku is a full word or a cut off

[tiny knot]

If it's a cutoff, it could be a portion of our first known color, White

There are way too many unknown words to draw a really solid conclusion

I'm gonna replay WITW real quick, because I SWEAR there's an H in Vohk

[nocturne garnet]

We don't really have a starting point for most of the words too

Other than mara lohk

[tiny knot]

I also find it weird how Voidtongue has a very distinct cadence, it's almost musical

Maybe the "song" on the Zariman was simply Voidtongue, and hearing it in its true form corrupts that which isn't already touched by the Void?

[nocturne garnet]

Considering everyone that's heard it and not gone insane has been voidtouched so far other than the holdfasts
Maybe?

I'm unsure how the holdfasts resisted the influence of the song

Other than the one who couldn't obviously

[prime lantern]

Everyone who's gone insane was also voidtouched

[nocturne garnet]

They weren't though
They were just in the void

Unless being voidtouched = hearing the song

[prime lantern]

The entire crew of the zariman was conceptual embodiment at that point

None of them lived

[nocturne garnet]

Quinn:
Yonta:
Cavalero:

The dormizone one I can't remember the name of

[tiny knot]

Hombask

[nocturne garnet]

Yes

I'm awful at names lmao

[prime lantern]

Those people are also conceptual embodiment

[nocturne garnet]

They were alive in the void

Then they died and were reborn

The kids attacked them

[prime lantern]

Yea

And the entire zariman crew was dead long before the void angels showed up

[tiny knot]

Isn't it fun discerning the means of an Eldritch and overall indistinct horror operating outside the capacity of our logic?

[nocturne garnet]

The void angels aren't the only thing that sings the song tbf

The entire void most likely does

[prime lantern]

I disagree that he's operating outside our logic

[prime lantern]

Cool?

[nocturne garnet]

Also I feel like the adults who died on the ship were repurposed to become void angels cause yknow
Emotion + void = conciousness

[prime lantern]

By drawing on the void power of the tenno rather than the power of the requiliry drive

[prime lantern]

Yea that is what happened

That is conceptual embodiment

Emotions/consciousness+void= a thing

[nocturne garnet]

Ya

That's how mitw came to be too

[obtuse gyro]

Then fun things about eldritch horrors is that they actually suffer under the tenacious might of the human process of understanding

Wally is no different, we can reason to what he whats and why he wants it

[nocturne garnet]

The indomitable human spirit Vs the indifference of the universe

[obtuse gyro]

No amount of cosmic horror can face thr wrath of an idiot trying to understand

"Hurr durr I am unfathomably ancient"

"Ok so youre old"

"Hurr durr I am incomprehensibly vast"

"So youre fat big"

[nocturne garnet]

Lmfao

[obtuse gyro]

Can we comprehend the incomprehensible? No

Can we imagine a comprehensible version? Yes

[prime lantern]

In his current form I'd say wally is about a countable infinite big

[obtuse gyro]

Get mentally simulated mucker

[prime lantern]

Which is big but not too big

[obtuse gyro]

Now imagine a being who after getting a taste of all this, wants the juice to define themselves by themselves

[prime lantern]

Then I'd say he's alot bigger if that happens

[obtuse gyro]

There isnt

Its just vok

Even if we start determining words as contractions they still dont elucidate much

Order oull ne truth vok, mara void still dont mean much

[obtuse gyro]

Gotta make the outside me the same as the inside me

[prime lantern]

Then he'd an uncountablly infinite big

That's pretty big

That's incomprehensiblly big

[obtuse gyro]

Depends on how to make them the same

Do you make outside bigger or inside smaller

[tiny knot]

Why not both?

[obtuse gyro]

Gaining consciousness, becoming a who from a what by thinking, differentiating from the undifferentiated, these all scale downwards

But a human body that already exists and is modified to hold thought-defining powers, these scale upwards

God forbid wally try to bodysnatch again, goober already tried that once

[tiny knot]

Hey, quick side note, I just love the Prex hunts lmao

[prime lantern]

So making his own body makes him smaller but a preexisting body makes him bigger

[obtuse gyro]

Trying to define a body will always make him smaller, but I suspect if he uses a body that already exists he can maintain some of his inner size

[prime lantern]

Why would it make him smaller

[obtuse gyro]

He wouldnt need to compromise on making the body real

[prime lantern]

I mean based on androids interpretation a 3d presence is bigger than wally

[obtuse gyro]

Void is undifferentiated, all possibilities yada yada. By defining, like collapsing waveforms, possiblities reduce count (much like that sequence in tnw and baro's deal)

To create a body is to define yourself, to cut away what could be for what is

Aiat

You become smaller but a more...

Final shape

[prime lantern]

Hmm

And stealing a body wouldn't do that because?

Either way it seems like he's making himself more defined

Trading incomprehensiblability for stakes on the real world

[tiny knot]

Man, going back through Leverians really shines more light on how awful the Orokin were

[prime lantern]

Doesn't even touch on the Archimedean symposium

[tiny knot]

Solid point

[obtuse gyro]

Uuuuuuh how to explain

No need to cut your own definition down, if you steal someone else's

So instead of taking a part of you out to form your box, you find a box that can fit you

[prime lantern]

So somebody in our plane has a box that is very very large

Man cats would flock to that person

[obtuse gyro]

I wish

Because we are that box I suspect

So where are my damn cats

[prime lantern]

The only cat I have is my smeeta named loot

[tiny knot]

Ohhhh I love the end of Nezha's Leverian

"What could a Warframe, a lethal specialist warrior, possibly have in common with a child? That riddle, I fear, must remain a riddle."

[viscid quarry]

Your kavat

[supple dagger]

But Albrecht didn’t know that discovering Void travel would lead to him awakening an eldritch horror. And even though it was an accident, he wants to make up for his mistake by doing whatever is necessary to put a stop to Wally. Albrecht was also self aware that the path he was going to walk would be a dark one, but he knew it was necessary since he created this mess in the first place

“Let me leave such blazing footprints behind me as no unclean thing would dare walk in.”

[prime lantern]

He's not the best man but even he knows this he doesn't dismiss being a demon he just wants to be an honest one

[torpid lantern]

I'm of the opinion that his family has the right to know. Their minds may be more infested now, but his daughter was there for the event. She was intelligent enough to handle it then, she could help now.
It's going to backfire when the only people aware of the impending crisis is a man who's been in cryosleep for thousands of years, A soldier with powers directly FROM mitw, and a handful of talking animals.

[supple dagger]

Yea I feel like they’re gonna eventually find out for sure, whether it be on accident or by us telling them

[tiny knot]

Do we think Drusus is a Cephalon?

Yk, funny Leverian man

[viscid quarry]

The fallout would be both amusing and disastrous in its own way

[graceful zodiac]

He's a Solaris most likely

[tiny knot]

I can see that with the accent, but what's your rationale?

He talks about going out to the site of Styanax's fight with the Leviathan, but can't due to a "long-standing condition"

[graceful zodiac]

He has lines about buying back his body when you donate a million plus or so credits

[tiny knot]

Huh, worth looking further into

Cephalons were also formed from an individual at the sacrifice of a body, so it could go either eay

[prime lantern]

Well considering his body would've been made glass 1k years ago at a minimum there's nothing to buy back

[nocturne garnet]

I'm pretty sure Drusus is in the same boat as Ticker

using a loaned body and trying (even if not able to) buy his old body back

[prime lantern]

Having our powers be from wally doesn't seem like a good reason to doubt us he hasn't demonstrated the ability to force us to do anything nor the ability to disable our abilities on a whim

And the only person in the entrati family who'd be relevant would be mother so the others don't need to know

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, why would he? Telling more people about him just increases the risk factors with more avenues for Wally to mess around. His best shot was keeping as much of Wally's attention on him as possible.

[nocturne garnet]

I'm pretty sure most people cant even see Wally tbh

[graceful zodiac]

Most people don't know he exists.

[nocturne garnet]

Lotus calls him a myth/rumour or void hallucinations

[graceful zodiac]

But yes, he can also choose who he wants to appear to

[nocturne garnet]

He can only appear as people he's made deals with afaik

[prime lantern]

No

[nocturne garnet]

we've only seen him as us and Albrecht who both made deals

[graceful zodiac]

He can appear as anyone

[prime lantern]

When did albretch make a deal

[graceful zodiac]

He never made a deal with Albrecht

[prime lantern]

Also he showed up as lotus didn't he

[nocturne garnet]

"You're his demon, not mine" - Loid

[prime lantern]

Yea?

That in no capacity means a deal was made

[graceful zodiac]

The only possible limitation is the person having had to have been in the Void at some point

[prime lantern]

Albrecht wouldn't make a deal with the thing that made him consign hims to death

Being his demon doesn't mean a deal made just that wally originally only went after Albrecht and now that Albrecht went somewhere far far far away wallys attention has shifted to loid

[supple dagger]

And to us

[graceful zodiac]

That could also be referring the Tenno

[nocturne garnet]

it's not

[prime lantern]

I doubt it

The line doesn't change based on gender

His means Albrecht

[nocturne garnet]

He was trying to use the negative memories that Loid had of Albrecht to try and break him
and as such get further into Albrecht's lab
at least thats what I got from the cutscene

since before the end sequence Loid had a lot of pent up emotion around Albrecht

[tiny knot]

God, you can tell Albrecht was never an abusive man by conscious choice, but FAR more reserved than was good for anybody, even himself, only worsened by his... Frankly horrific trip into the Void

Such a good allegory for the value of ethics in science

[nocturne garnet]

I think he was trying to stay distant from Loid so that Wally didnt see him as a valuble target to try and get to Albrecht

but that ended up doing way more harm than good

[tiny knot]

I'm talking about the Cavia more than anything, ESPECIALLY Tagfer

Science with no ethics, but a man who still had humanity, it's such an interesting contrast

[nocturne garnet]

Yea true, he did just about anything he could to try and draw away Wally from the origin system

including extincting a species

or at least trying to

greater good or something

[nova harness]

Albrecht is the non real life version of NASA

[nocturne garnet]

closer to space race era soviet russia

[nova harness]

They’ve sent so many animals to space

[tiny knot]

Albrecht is SUCH an interesting character, every bit of him

He's almost as deep and complex, with as many connections, as Natah

[graceful zodiac]

That's not on Albrecht, that was Fibonacci

[nocturne garnet]

Was it? I thought Albrecht wanted to ||sacrifice Minn and Tagfer to the indifference/Wally to try and get him away||

[supple dagger]

||Albrecht hypothesized whether or not animals could dumify the Void(and Wally) if he brought them into it, not sacrifice them. When Fibonacci and the gang were dropped into the Void in their bell, they gained intelligence and the ability to think instead of what Albrecht thought would happen, but also in that moment Fibonacci panicked because of their situation and vented to try and suck out the Void from their bell, but Minn got vented out by accident since she was close to it||

[nova harness]

So much Cavia lore

[supple dagger]

Best syndicate imo

[nova harness]

Either Cavia or Holdfasts yeah

Haven’t Cavia broke the record for most lore now?

[supple dagger]

I think so cause their lore overlaps with Albrechts lore too

[nova harness]

Albrecht has probably got a little bit more lore compared to them

8 Requiems and a Daughter constantly talking about him the Duviri stuff and then his own accounts of Duviri, Vessels fixing himself, Cavia and the final one

[tiny knot]

What's with the tunnels

They're mapped, but there's an invisible wall

We're in a hunt to find the credits

There's also this single, peculiar speck of light far out in the labs

[obtuse gyro]

What syndanna is that?

[tiny knot]

Saturn Six lol

[obtuse gyro]

Damn should have completed the last nightwave then

[tiny knot]

I got it on initial run tbh

But yeah, there's a lot of curious stuff going on with this hub

[supple dagger]

Someone said that its a tileset that’s bleeding into the hub area. And the glowy rock is one of Wallys eyes. You can go in the tunnels in capture mode if you have the Sanctum Anatomica scene

[amber marten]

DE needs to cycle the Saturn 6 syandana back, I didn't get to do that Nightwave or complete the Glassmaker either. Not even the Arlo one, my hardware at the time barely ran Warframe.

[nova harness]

Isn’t that more a you thing than a them thing?

[amber marten]

The've been bringing back items from those past Nightwave events, so maybe they can bring back the ability to replay them on a whim.

[supple dagger]

Eventually I imagine, yes. They aren't really extremely exclusive like a fornite battlepass

[flat shadow]

They have cycled the armor in. The syandana will probably come back at some point.

[north trail]

by far

[ocean void]

You think they would bring this back from Nora’s mix vol. 1?

there is not a lot cool effects cape

[austere palm]

I noticed them to and tried everything to get in but no luck

Maybe they unlock at some point cause it looks like there's a requiem in there or something

[tiny knot]

It's one of the silly eyes

[stray briar]

i fell like warframe game play is more like slah and hack

and not enoghf voice lines

[viscid quarry]

But that’s the entire gameplay loop, your not getting a PlayStation style game or a linear story game with gunplay tacked on

It’s a looter shooter horde shooter hack and slash

[stray briar]

and you see same enemies it would be better compare them to desteny has alot of eneime varaity

i also think they should add raids back

[viscid quarry]

We agree on that

[nova harness]

There’s literally a new enemy type rn

[stray briar]

or atleast drive tanks

[viscid quarry]

Destiny… the same game where we fight vex and grassy vex, cabal and cabal but gaudy or cabal but edgy, or fallen and fallen but on steroids,

[viscid quarry]

Necramechs

They aren’t wheeled but they easily outgun a tank

[stray briar]

yea but the feel like gun shoul have more power behind it

[viscid quarry]

Especially with the arquabex or the pure insanity of the exalted sword

[viscid quarry]

We have guns that can when modded right one shot d2 raid bosses

For example rhulk has 15m health

We can do way over that with a quellor

[stray briar]

no i meant he effcest better sound

[viscid quarry]

What?

I didn’t understand that

Can you repeat please?

[stray briar]

https://youtu.be/eU7WQMM6ZNw?si=3SbWQYcS9IFephkV&t=64

like this i want this fire power

sorry i was looking for this sceen

it feelslike warframe is falling behind

[viscid quarry]

Arquabex with fire rate mod

Most of the arch guns

Mausalon with one fire rate mod

[stray briar]

i mean the visial effects are laking

[viscid quarry]

I wouldn’t say so

[stray briar]

thein also no recoil

no heavy machine gun that spin the barrel

[viscid quarry]

A giant mech with advanced technology and you want more recoil

[stray briar]

yes

make it cooler

[viscid quarry]

For reference in modern tech there’s the Kriss vector which has recoil control

The orokin made the necramech to kill not look cool

Hence zero recoil

Also it’s a horde shooter, you ain’t gonna kill much hordes if recoil is sending your ammo skyward

[stray briar]

yea but would it be cooler if the grinner used this to kill infested ships

like gun down

or you uknow tanks in geral

[viscid quarry]

There is the tenora which has a rotating barrel and the quanta and mutalist quanta which have rotating barrels some of which have spinup like some miniguns have gorgon family, soma, supra, and some that don't quellor, truma, imperator archgun

[viscid quarry]

They have flame throwers

Advanced tech and more

[stray briar]

explion effect feel not impacfull enouf thei like flat

[viscid quarry]

They don’t need a gun with more then one barrel

[viscid quarry]

They did that because of a time where a bug happened that caused gameplay to look like this

[stray briar]

also gun fire light up the sorrunding

like that the ingis for example it feel like a leafblower whit confety

[viscid quarry]

Do you want to play with sunglasses or enjoy the game

[stray briar]

what imtrynig to say is better physics

[viscid quarry]

….. explosions aren’t dictated by physics

It’s lighting and if sending enemies to heaven via explosion isn’t enough idk what is

[stray briar]

i like the new tile set beacus it fel modern the other one fell old

fell

[graceful zodiac]

What variety, your always killing the exact same dregs, goblins, and acolytes

[stray briar]

i think addind fog volume and effect from sould frame is the right step

[viscid quarry]

It’s two different engines

That requires a complete overhaul of the game

To a drastic extent

[stray briar]

yeap

[viscid quarry]

This is not a small thing Maximus

[stray briar]

i think that a problem whit mmo they show their age afther 5 years

[viscid quarry]

So?

[stray briar]

like gun blowing off wholr limbs when you shoot them wile their alove

alive

[viscid quarry]

….

Turn gore on the. Shoot a arrow at someone

I’ve cut enemies in half with a slash proc

Severed legs and turn them into vegetables

That already is in the game

[stray briar]

i also think bullet jumpin ruined the pashin gof the game beavuse old tile we design by walking thro them now you sking over them ignoring the deatirls to finihs the mission

[stray briar]

need more blood plater

[viscid quarry]

…

[stray briar]

splater like your warframe gets cover in blood from enimes

[viscid quarry]

Use garuda

[viscid quarry]

We have something for that

It’s a cosmetic

Oh right and anyways we aren’t gonna get halo ce style gore mess (you can set the gore limit per room up or down in settings)

[strange moon]

Did the Gauss Prime trailer just spoil new music?

I know Warframe 1999 had that awesome subway battle track that sort of had NIN-esq riffs with Rage Against The Machines-like chanting.

[tiny knot]

Void yeah, the whole '99 segment has some KILLER music

[supple dagger]

I think its part of his Prime trailer or maybe DE just added it as background music without spoiling Ballas dialogue

[frail nymph]

Was there an update to the operator voices or something recently? I'm watching a playthrough and it feels so different from when I first played AoZ

[near rune]

Operator voices were changed completely (new voice actors) in The New War. All Operator/Drifter dialogue since then (includnig AotZ) uses the new VAs, but any voice lines from earlier are still in the game. If you're watching playthroughs of AotZ specifically, that quest has some different dialogue options based on Operator/Drifter and your choice of Lotus. Other than that there haven't been any changes to Operator voices that I can think of.

[amber terrace]

I was wondering, about how many times have we seen Loid legit lose his cool. What I can think of so far is in the Whispers quest when he snaps at The Indifference saying something to the effect of “you’re his(Albrecht’s) demon, not mine”, when he pulls out the blicky(Zylok Prime) near the end of the quest, when he stops Tagfer from killing Fibonacci in the Cavia R3(Colleague), and when he sobs during the Cavia R5(Illuminate) as he thinks the Cavia died

[grand escarp]

I swear the Albrecht/Loid relationship is breaking some people's brains lol. Some folks at the WF forums is so tilted by it but will swear up and down it's not because they have problems with same-sex relationships, nooooo. Definitely not that.

Loid and the Cavia are some of the most fully-fleshed out characters in this game right out of the gate, I really love them.

[near rune]

Yeah I've seen that reaction a few places too. "Oh I don't have a problem with it it's just weird." Oh really? Why is it weird?

[obtuse gyro]

They are frightened of the twink thats richer and smarter than they are

[viscid quarry]

Scare em out of their plat then

[fossil heron]

The only thing thats weird about it is albrecht is loid's employer and that seems like an inappropriate workplace relationship

Also albrecht sucks, loid could do way better

[prime lantern]

I think if we kill the man in the wall albretch can come back and I think he'd do better this time

He eventually realized he was a bad boyfriend

[supple dagger]

And father

[nova harness]

Sir, this is the Orokin you’re talking about they don’t care about following rules

[supple dagger]

Just look at Dagaths story

[balmy storm]

and husband

[balmy storm]

Grandma Dagath or Warframe Dagath

afaik we don’t have any info on Albrecht and Grandmother’s relationship
But knowing Grandma she was probably chill with whatever

[trim fern]

Was there one? I thought albrecht was Mother’s father and grandmother is father’s mother

[balmy storm]

Maybe I got that mixed up then and they had no relationship

In which case where is Mother’s Mother?
I don’t recall her ever being mentioned, if it was death and Albrecht cared for her I feel like we woulda seen anything by now

[nova harness]

Maybe Mother did a Star Wars and had no Mother

[trim fern]

Albrecht erasing her seems very albrecht.

[obtuse gyro]

albrecht speaks of having to raise euleria alone since young, so I think Mother's mother was out of the picture early

[nova harness]

Where’s this log?

[fossil heron]

Yea and the orokin couple that owned dagath were the bad guys of the story

[nova harness]

Congratulations you have finally learned the Orokin are the bad guys of Warframe

[balmy storm]

Interesting

[obtuse gyro]

might wanna not take it too seriously

I cant find anything to back me up so it might have been revealed to me in a dream

[viscid quarry]

And perfect scapegoat

[wicked iron]

I think it was in a lore fragment.

[nova harness]

Maybe since there’s nothing about a mother in mentioned Entrati

[nova harness]

Do you know which Lore fragment?

[wicked iron]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Albrecht_Entrati/Quotes

Jahu in Deimos.

"I had raised her alone but with inconsistent vigor. In those eyes, her mother's, I did see a terrible reflection."

[obtuse gyro]

the funny thing is, I read that and missed it, thanks for the back up

[nova harness]

Black Fleet vs Murmur what wins?

[obtuse gyro]

As it stands Black Fleet

given that the necramechs in the labs were designed to repel the murmur (before they went rogue) I dont think a large paracausal fleet would have trouble dispatching them

[prime lantern]

Who wins stone monster things or ships that make planets pancakes

[wicked iron]

Stone monster things cuz they can manifest within the ships that make planets pancakes.

Also ezpz just need a 60-eye and GG WP to the ships lol. Constantly disabling everything, sheesh.

[prime lantern]

I mean the ships also usually have disciples in them

And they've got its not magic I promise it's not magic

Don't call it magic it's explicitly not magic

And like taken or scorn

[wicked iron]

But the Murmur are an infinite army of nothing that is something. 😄

I don't actually really know much about Destiny. I played it very little.

[prime lantern]

Taken are other factions who got taken causing there existence to be redefined by the taker (oryx witness xivu) who are augmented into a perfect or final shape
Scorn are fallen who got revived with dark either

And disciples are just head honchos of the pyramids

[prime lantern]

And also the witness is miles stronger than another individual who is capable of defeating an uncountable infinity of enemies

[viscid quarry]

Your dreams are sadly not enlightening it appears

[obtuse gyro]

Turns out that I dont dream and they just be real

[viscid quarry]

Still a failure of dreaming as vor does not salute you

Neither does the void

[obtuse gyro]

Funny enough if the witness is capable of using the darkness on wally, neither will win nor lose

Because if the witness defines wally down down down, wally and witness win

[viscid quarry]

Honestly I have the feeling that witness would lose anyways because well, is sake really gonna do crap other then try to abuse darkeness to a void based being who isn’t defined by conventional ideas or stuff like that

[prime lantern]

I mean neither is the darkness

[viscid quarry]

And god help him if he’s in wallies domain (assuming Wally has that control)

[obtuse gyro]

But Darkness isnt conventional lmao

[viscid quarry]

Oh

[prime lantern]

The daughters have killed fundamental arguments

[viscid quarry]

Oh

[prime lantern]

I don't think you can just shoot an argument

[obtuse gyro]

Darkness is literally the thing that wally needs

The power of consciousness

[viscid quarry]

Ah

[prime lantern]

Yet some other guy gets to say a very no no word and the bot ignores it

[viscid quarry]

One would think that the eldritch being would win easily against a souped up alien looking guy like an ant is to a human

[prime lantern]

Akka also just "nuh uh" and the truth is denied

[obtuse gyro]

Not just that but Darkness capable of cutting away possibilities until a final shape is left.

Just what a being who seeks to definite himself could use

[viscid quarry]

Ah yes the power of nuh uh

[prime lantern]

I mean that'd be true if enemies in destiny wernt insanely powerful

[viscid quarry]

So your saying that it’s more likely for Wally to ally with witness

[obtuse gyro]

No

Im saying wally would benefit if he learnt how to use the darkness

[prime lantern]

The vex are capable of creating spaces that are infinite in multiple ways with only an infinitely small fraction of there true power

[obtuse gyro]

The problem is that the witness wouldnt be defining wally in wally's favour

[prime lantern]

Humanity made an ai that can rival individual vex in terms of intelligence

Which is insanely smart

[viscid quarry]

What about cephalons? They should be somewhat smart

[prime lantern]

Eliskni tanks busted condensed space time

[obtuse gyro]

Rasputin would clap cephalons into the stone age

[viscid quarry]

The rusted lookin six legged crap piles your talking about right?

[viscid quarry]

Oof

[prime lantern]

None are capable of creating infinite amounts of timelines that are indistinguishable from reality

[viscid quarry]

I didn’t mean compared to vex

[prime lantern]

They can do about 10¹⁸ calcs a second

[viscid quarry]

Vex are incomparable to any ai in wf but I mean Rasputin or that one that’s in a bow or whatever others

[prime lantern]

That's a 10 followed by 18 zeros

[obtuse gyro]

Red's design is far superior than most if not all cephalons

[prime lantern]

Lmao

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think simaris is near Red's level

[prime lantern]

Also yea red can just throw bricks at you from orbit

[viscid quarry]

Wait do we even know the limitation of cephalons

[prime lantern]

All the cephalons lack real world combative abilitys

[viscid quarry]

Except maybe cy

[prime lantern]

He just tells us stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Except maybe cy since he's controlled rj weapons before

[viscid quarry]

And rj weapons can include a black hole

[prime lantern]

Rasputin has a sol wide network of weapons that'd be on par with the orokin

[obtuse gyro]

But then whats a tunguska cannon to the warsat network

[prime lantern]

If not stronger

[obtuse gyro]

Guess what, so did Red's

[viscid quarry]

TF

[obtuse gyro]

Unfire singularity babey

[prime lantern]

Reds favorite is dropping heavy objects from orbit

And siva

Red had siva didn't he

[viscid quarry]

He did then he messed up and caused the age of iron expansion

And a couple more things

Still gotta wonder what other weapons the orokin had prior to sentients disabling them all to hell

[obtuse gyro]

I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp

[viscid quarry]

I’m not gonna wonder what the former is

[prime lantern]

What are aurora knives?

[viscid quarry]

No clue

Don’t wanna know tho

[prime lantern]

I do bau dm them to me

[obtuse gyro]

No thats about it

[viscid quarry]

Or say it here and damn us all

[prime lantern]

Bah humbug

[obtuse gyro]

Ishtar pings it twice but no explanation

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, I would only note that was in the Garden. I don't think that's anywhere near Rasputin's regular capability

[viscid quarry]

Gonna assume precision high penetrating weapons based on something related to light

[graceful zodiac]

And also flowery language on general for these things

[obtuse gyro]

? Rasputin was not fighting the black fleet in the Black Garden lol

[prime lantern]

Black garden is vex space ish

[obtuse gyro]

When Red says "garden" he means sol

[prime lantern]

Tsk tsk

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally Aurora Knives are confirmed by a braytech concierge to be the actual name of a rasputin weapon

[viscid quarry]

Again gotta wonder what weapons the orokin had other then glassing and jade light if they considered guns obsolete and iirc was said that said weapons were disabled by sentients

[prime lantern]

Who knows

Hell red probably would've dunked on the sentients Shaq style

Man you gotta stop

[viscid quarry]

…..

[viscid quarry]

Honestly idk with phargasa being able to eat a sun

[obtuse gyro]

Sentients probably couldnt hack Red, but they might make it a tough fight by adapting to the stuff he puts out forcing him to constantly change his arsenal

[viscid quarry]

Would make things hard assuming red doesn’t have like a billion type of weapons

And this doesn’t count guardians but eh forget about em

[obtuse gyro]

He's got alot but sentients have alot of bodies to run through

[viscid quarry]

And their fleet of condrixes cna probably decimated a lot of weapons

After all the bloody things are ginormous and hold a lot of troops

Actually what are the chances that hacking portions of red can become possible

[obtuse gyro]

Not that high, homie didnt even get assimilated by the vex

[viscid quarry]

Fair

Would assume sentients would go after the hierarchy to expirament and find a way to hack Rasputin

There’s a augmermind Inside which I presume isn’t that much different from red

[prime lantern]

Rasputin mind is complex enough to crash vex simulations

He'd probably fry any sentient trying to hack him

[viscid quarry]

Fair

Hmm gotta wonder if it’s possible to use one of those huge condrixes from the new war to try and spear that facility Rasputin is stored in

Assuming it doesn’t get blown to bits by defenses

[prime lantern]

Hes stored deep underground and can fragment himself

Idk the facilities Rasputin are stored in are Clovis Brey facilities so I imagine they are incredibly tough

[viscid quarry]

Said facilities can get speared by a small hive thing that barely has any penetrating speed

A condrix is going in from orbit I’d say probably considering said facilities don’t look that durable

[prime lantern]

Pretty sure the hive war spike things get summoned by magic

[graceful zodiac]

Oh, you could absolutely get into the facility from an orbital drop. the issue would be going on from there

[wicked iron]

From what I recall, there isn't any technology that Sentients can't assimilate. I don't think any AI would stand a chance against them.

The more technologically advanced something is, the more the Sentients advance and overcome it/assimilate it.

[nova harness]

What about Mechs?

[wicked iron]

Necramechs are dumb, but also were never used against the Sentients in the Old War, if I remember correctly.

[nova harness]

However, due to the mechs' rudimentary behavior, the Orokin claimed that they weren't smart enough to face the ever-evolving Sentients, and chose to retire them early in favor of the more advanced Warframes.

[wicked iron]

I wonder what the Whisper Rounds from the Detron Crewman synthesis were like... It would be cool to get them in the future, whatever they are.

[prime lantern]

I mean they've shown the ability to hijack tech sure but I doubt any of that tech was in the fighting back capacity of red or a vex

Considering like a pineapple the vex eat you back

And red can crash vex simulations and the vex can simulate an infinite amount of timelines indistinguishable from reality or an infinite amount of spatial dimensions

And we know you can fight back against sentient assimilation

We did it music Rasputin could fry a sentients mind

[wicked iron]

I guess there's really no way to know how it would go, since they're different universes and all. Speculation seems doomed to running in circles, unless the companies came together and did some sort of joint story with their factions.

[prime lantern]

That'd be cool

I'd like some destiny skins like a ghost or vex harpy for sentinels

[wicked iron]

The music only made her aware again, really. Octavia's capabilities are interesting, to say the least.

[prime lantern]

Or just destiny exotics like graviton lance

[wicked iron]

Also of note is that Cephalons aren't simply technology. They're humans, at their base.

[prime lantern]

I know

Rasputin is a sentient ai ana spent her time teaching him to feel

[prime lantern]

Also unrelated chill syth acolyte claimed he was having alot of issues with the bots filter

Like it was flagging him for swears when he didn't swear

[wicked iron]

If anyone has any particular issues with moderation things, #modmail would be the place to go. That's not a topic that's allowed to be discussed in channels, though.

[prime lantern]

Oh he said he couldn't find a tickets channel

[viscid quarry]

Hello I return from the void

My latest safari has yielded spectacular findings

[near rune]

They were. Father has a few lines during Orphix Venom about him deploying Necramechs against the Sentients.

[viscid quarry]

Particularly because they were so damn retro compared to other tech that the sentients couldn’t exactly adapt well

[nova harness]

Did it work?

[graceful zodiac]

Not well

[near rune]

No

[graceful zodiac]

Like Father said, they're just a bunch of hammers when the Orokin needed power tools

[wicked iron]

Power tools the Sentients couldn't simply take over, at that.

[woven fable]

What's the point of the 1990 computers in whispers in the wall...am i missing something?

[near rune]

Albrecht went to 1999 and brought back some tech. Perhaps he thought they were less easily corrupted by the Man in the Wall.

[woven fable]

ah, ok so he actaully brought something back, think i missed that part

[viscid quarry]

Not sure how that would be true but I’m gonna consider it part of albrecht slowly going insane from this obsession of his

After all he’s trying to fight off Wally

And there hasn’t been an adult that exposed into the void hasn’t gone insane (I think) like the zariman crew or albrecht

[wicked iron]

Or maybe he just had nostalgia for the past.

[viscid quarry]

I doubt that considering it’s 1999 tech and his whole obsession with 1999 being a counter to Wally

Or a hiding place or whatever it is to Wally

[woven fable]

did something happen in Dark sector that would give a little more insight as to what happen that far back?

[real niche]

No

[wicked iron]

Nothing other than the Great Plague that happens after the game, but it's also not officially tied-in to Warframe as of yet.

[prime lantern]

The Games arnt connected

[near rune]

This is a common theme in Warhammer. The more complex the AI, the more prone it is to corruption by the Warp (why exactly this is I don't know). So there may be a similar principle going on here. Perhaps it's because the Void interacts with consciousness, so the more like a person a computer gets, the more Wally can worm in there. But he can't influence a toaster because all it does is toast.

Again we don't have any insight as to why Albrecht uses 1999 tech as far as I can recall, other than he has gone there before and so has familiarity with it.

[viscid quarry]

Orokin age toasters are probably capable of Wally influenced to be a great incarnon gun or make great void cursed toast

[balmy storm]

Albrecht’s ex wife was totally one of the seven
(This was revealed in a dream)

[viscid quarry]

Like the gray archon shard benefits were revealed or bau style

[balmy storm]

Yup

[viscid quarry]

Which one

[balmy storm]

Yes

[viscid quarry]

Ah so now is a convenient time to showcase the gray archon shard

[balmy storm]

Yesss

[viscid quarry]

Behold

Grey archon shard [TAUFORGED]

| on enemy kill: 20% chance to record codex info {+30% chance}

| 27% chance to translate all orokin text viewed {+73% chance}

| 10% chance for reb to pop up and explain a lore segment {+15% chance}

| 5% chance to discover hidden lore not previously discovered by the community when hit with void damage {+5% chance}

| 15% chance to cause hysteria to enemies nearby when hit {+15% chance, applies to enemies hit by weapon for 20% chance}

| 40% chance for Wally to yell “hey kiddo” granting your currently equipped weapon a chance to instakill on your next shot, 40% chance to become blind to the surrounding area or for skittergirl to spawn healing the surrounding enemies with overshields {17% chance for Wally to appear saying rap tap tap before spawning a murmur rupture near you}

It is glorious

And I got this via “negotiations” and totally not me threatening grayarchon with a felrax

[viscid quarry]

Regular is via killing and does not grant the tauforged benefits {these}

[balmy storm]

I think the hidden lore should be nerfed and have very specific requirements for activating
Like get hit with void damage has a 5% chance of hidden lore reveal

[viscid quarry]

Fair fair

Added it

[balmy storm]

Nice

[viscid quarry]

It is perfect

And it is stuck in grayarchon and his endless storage of it due to assasination attempts from teams of dsiege assassins

[balmy storm]

Alternative acquisition of Gray Archon Shards, fuse 2 mixed variants together for 50 random lore-relevant resources

[balmy storm]

dsiege assassins

[viscid quarry]

Alternative acquisition during orokin archive raid: use diplomacy bribery,blackmail or threaten him to receive a copy of his tau forged shards

[balmy storm]

Finally, we can get something without violence ignore that threats require violence

[supple dagger]

Oh no not the dsiege assasins

[viscid quarry]

Lore that is official if we can get a mod to confirm this

Leaves gray no choice but to put this into orokin archive

IMMORTALITY FOR US

[balmy storm]

During the Old War Gray just wanted to archive things
but the Orokin said no
😔

[viscid quarry]

Hence he was forced to forever be bound to the archive as it was plundered for its info

[supple dagger]

So can we assume that Grays an Archimedian?

[viscid quarry]

He’s an archon

[supple dagger]

Oh right I forgot about his last name

[viscid quarry]

But we can assume he found a way to legally claim citizenship

And then somehow attend the Archimedean academy

[craggy solstice]

We're not DE, so we can't confirm anything we haven't already seen in-game?

[viscid quarry]

But would you consider this canon if it was implemented

[near rune]

Still just enjoying this from afar but I can't help but laugh at "Dsiege assassins"

[viscid quarry]

Hey you

Yes you, gimme your other tauforged shards

[near rune]

How many do you think I have? The loot table is only so big

[viscid quarry]

There have been hundreds of archons

Each are dead, of the sentients have a lot and by that I mean narmer

Surely you too have a lot

Now hand em over racks felrax while using xaku

[amber terrace]

Something I noticed that’s probably been pointed out a morbillion times, the Vessel heart in the Fabrica Anatomica Scene and the heart in the Deimos Heart Scene look oddly familiar. Is the Heart of Deimos, which keeps void tech running system wide, a variant of the heart of a Vessel?

[supple dagger]

Probably

[balmy storm]

I wonder if the heart going down caused issues in the labs

[tiny knot]

I would like to see it the other way, with the Vessel hearts being a variant of the HoD

[near rune]

I think that probably makes more sense

[rain otter]

I mean nothing had to do with the Void that was like ON when that was messing up.

Like none of the vessels are done or anything and The animals and Poid where in like stasis.

[balmy storm]

Chronologically it makes more sense too

[balmy storm]

There’s doorways into the void everywhere in there, granted they may have not been active but I don’t see why they would be

[grand escarp]

Just wanna say I appreciate the fun and healthy Warframe/Destiny lore discussions here when people everywhere seem so intent on pitting the two together

[rain otter]

[balmy storm]

I have discovwred the duvirians have blue gums
and the Vagabond has black eyes, which makes sense but it’s interesting they added the detail since they have a mask on all the time

[supple dagger]

That second image is horrifying

[balmy storm]

Somehow it was the best one I got in terms of showcasing the eye

[viscid quarry]

That second image looks like something out of the thing

[wicked iron]

Let's try to stay on the topic of Warframe, please. 😛

[viscid quarry]

We try

[strange moon]

I was hoping they added new lines. "My Warframe is STRONK."

Has anybody figured out what the Voidtongue question we're being asked by Wally?

"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?" contains Truth and Void...
My potshot guess is "What Truth will you find, staring at the Void?"

VOULL could be derived from VOME and OULL, the latter of which is "Through endless faces, countless forms, a multitude unfolds."

And since VOME means "Order", "VOULL" could mean "to comprehend", though I'm no linguist...

[balmy storm]

“Do you comprehend/understand/see (Voull) the (Ne) truth (Xata) now (Vok), Child (Mara) of the Void (Lohk)”
Really rough guess based off that
Ne is so short idk what it could be other than something like “The”
Vok is harder but makes sense to me that it could be “Now”
Also “Child of the ___” might be what happens when you put Mara next to anything, specifically Lohk in this case so void
We’ve been called Child of the Void before too so that works

We know Mara is probably relating to Child due to the Operator/Drifter’s name in the script being Mara
And a fun fact I’ve found that I’m not convinced is a coincidence is that Mara also means Demon in some languages
So Mara is referring to us

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, yeah but that's not really a solid connection. Not enough to derive a meaning from

[balmy storm]

Not an exact meaning, but it can allude enough that it probably refers to us
They use Mara as our name in the script
It specifically is used for the question
“Child of the Void” is what we’ve been called before
It’s not concrete but it’s got more going for it than other possibilities

[strange moon]

Something about gazing into the abyss a la Fredricht Nietzsche?

This could also explain why Teshin was adamant about the Lotus leading the Tenno astray.

And why perhaps that's the reason why he remains dead/"dormant in Duviri"

only that the manifestations of your inner demons weren't just some figures of speech, but actual things that take form.

[prime lantern]

He's not dead tho

[strange moon]

I did say "dormant in Duviri" aka he's still alive over there.

[balmy storm]

Why can’t he leave?

[obtuse gyro]

We've also been called void demon more so

[balmy storm]

I feel like Mara could mean both, since demon of the void and child of the void both describe us

Still doubt it’s a coincidence Mara means demon in a real language, it’s our name in the script and we’ve been called a demon a lot

[hallow slate]

Guys, lil question : can you locate Paragrimm Hutches with the Space-Mom Hand ?

[balmy storm]

Yes, if you use the hand near one it’ll show where it is

[hallow slate]

Dangit, that'll take time

[near rune]

Paragrimm hutches show up in set locations. I mean there are dozens of them (I think 30+ ?) but you can remember some of the key areas, and if you're standing near them the white circle will show up on the minimap. I think that's probably easier than just spamming the hand because the hand will also pick up things like horse races and sheep herding.

[scarlet basalt]

maybe "Mara" was the name of the script but its actually a requiem word
So they can retconned the fact that they named "Mara" us to some other eldritch language, like i guess mara could be "Demon"

[near rune]

I still don't think Mara means demon because Fibonacci and Tagfer both call us Mara Lohk and it seems mean to call us demons.

[rancid solar]

back in the Heart of Deimos quest Father tells us about how the necramechs are 'dumb as a bag of hammers but just as reliable' I wonder if he was referring to the battle one like Snake and our own or the ones that we find in the labs. also Loid (the not fleshy one)

[obtuse gyro]

Necraloid most probably isnt counted amongst the "bag of hammers"

But everything that is a necramech (which is snake, ours, and all the machines in the lab) are bag of hammers level of stupid

[rancid solar]

I mean, Otak isn't the sharpest nail in the wall, but I feel like he's more of a 'limiter' to keep Necraloid from being way to serious. also someone to entertain the kids

[obtuse gyro]

Otak wasnt meant to be in necraloids shell, that was a more recent occurance

[rancid solar]

ah, I also would accept a form of Warframe Rampancy/split personality like with other AI (like Ordis, granted he's a special case and was dropped on his head pretty hard before we find him)

[obtuse gyro]

Well it would be fun, but we know for sure that otak is not a split personality just an extra ceph in a single body

[prime lantern]

Ordis and Otak arnt ai

Loid I'm not entirely sure what he is

[obtuse gyro]

Tfw albrecht managed to circumvent the killing part of making a ceph and either never shared or the orokin never listened

[viscid quarry]

clone loid then make the clone a cephalon?

[graceful zodiac]

Loid is just a mental imprint implanted into a machine. No different from a cephalon, just without needless suffering

[obtuse gyro]

Is that confirmed or is that a guesstimate?

[prime lantern]

Guesstimate

[near rune]

We get basically no lore on Necraloid except what is said in the quest, which is quite little. But the Necraloid seems to be indistinguishable from a cephalon except that the original human is still intact.

[prime lantern]

If albretch could just make a Cephalon without killing guy should've just made one of himself tbh

[dull spire]

My impression of the whole cephalon thing is that the orokin get a kick out of torturing people (see ayatan), cephalons are a way to make captive individuals serve them forever (eg ordis) (exception of Suda)

So even if they did know there is a way to hurt no one, why would/ should they?

[prime lantern]

Well I mean have a backup of your own consciencesness would be a good thing

[dull spire]

Albrecht has his own way of things unknown to the other orokin so that's a mystery

[prime lantern]

Or hell imagine being surrounded by the greatest guy you know

Also everytime we see the process it involves turning a body into glass

[dull spire]

What's the original topic again

What Loid and otak are?

[prime lantern]

What loid is

[dull spire]

I see glassing as a separate thing, so idk

[prime lantern]

Only thing glassing was used for was cephalonization

[dull spire]

Not much info I could dig or remember what was mentioned, we just know Loid (the necraloid) isnt glassed by Nihil and only similar to cephalons. I'd look at the human Loid and the thing he woke from.

[viscid quarry]

Guess but I’m basing this off how Cortana was made and considering how cephalons are made

[balmy storm]

They’re made via glassing, Loid wasn’t glassed, Necraloid is not a cephalon

[viscid quarry]

I suggested that loid could have been cloned

[obtuse gyro]

Necraloid identifies as a cephalon, and loid calls him a construct. Its more likely that he is a cephalon, just that albrecht, as all things albrecht, did something incredibly funky

[near rune]

In theory you could argue that Necraloid called himself a cephalon (during Heart of Deimos) before his memory was un-suppressed by the activation of the Kalymos Sequence… but my take is that Necraloid is just another variant of cephalon.

I think it's likely that the Orokin were fully capable of making all their cephalons this way, but they chose to make it an "execution" sentence and dispose of the old organic body. You can always count on them to do the worst possible option.

A weird example is Nora Night. She was cephalised by the Glassmaker, and yet she seems to be fine now. Her transmissions still have her normal face speaking, although it's not like we've checked in with her since then. I think she just went back into her old body after Nihil was defeated, but this is far from clear.

[obtuse gyro]

Imo this is what likely happened

Loid doesnt get disposed of because the point of necraloid is to support loid

[near rune]

Yeah

[nova flicker]

teshin died in new war right

[obtuse gyro]

No he survived and was brought back up to health in duviri

[nova flicker]

wait but i thought duviri was like an alternate timeline or smthn

[obtuse gyro]

Not exactly no

Its conceptually embodied by an alternate possibility of us, but our teshin landed in duviri

[nova flicker]

what happened to his body again

did it get sucked up by that big wormhole that took the tenno and the lotus or did he just float away into space

[rain otter]

The first thing.

Also @nova flicker Duviri Teshin shows us his veil.

[balmy storm]

I don’t know what I did but I lost my melee in Duviri and now I have the Guiding Hand weapon from the demo???

It’s still functional

It also makes my Drifter’s arm disappear sometimes

It’s got a really slow recharge but I kinda wish we could have this as a weapon

I still have my melee nvm
I have 3 weapons
???

Ranger’s reload fully charges it

[hazy flume]

That legit went right over my head that veil! Heck...

[cyan crest]

i just have one question
the necraloids have skulls which belonged to the person they were before being cephalonized and then put into, well, the necraloid body
well, we know Loid was not cephalonized and that NecraLoid is actually just a copied version for him
so who owned the skull?

[viscid quarry]

I would say a clone but it’s likely that perhaps albrecht just took some random skull that looks like Lois’s and put it in necraloid

[cyan crest]

could be otak’s maybe

[viscid quarry]

Oh that’s a good point

[torpid lantern]

Otak had his own body at some point. He was merged with Loid when he was damaged in order to save him so I think it can't be Otaks

[supple dagger]

@torpid lantern your work on the Grey Archon shard was amazing

[wicked iron]

I'm pretty sure the skulls are just fabricated, honestly.

[amber terrace]

More netracell goodies, we have the Tales Of Duviri book by Euleria Entrati and a sample of the Infested

[supple dagger]

Never saw the sample before

[amber terrace]

Maybe the netracell room contents are somewhat randomized? Idk

Also, a question I have about the netracells; are they called netracells because Netra(Decay) or do they rather mimic Albrecht’s naming scheme of his doodads and whatsits(necramechs, necramites, Necraloid)

[rain otter]

Where is the sample?

Oh my bad

I wasn't loading.

[balmy storm]

Since it’s netra and not necra and with the importance of reqiuems, it’s probably netra

Idk why they’re “decay cells” though

[amber terrace]

If I had to send a guess into the dark, probably to prevent the insides of the cell to decay

[balmy storm]

So the cells that prevent decay are named decay cells
thanks Albrecht

[amber terrace]

Nuclear bunkers are called such because they’re supposed to protect its contents against nuclear blasts

But yeah Albrecht isn’t the best at naming things

[balmy storm]

That’s a really good point actually

[cyan crest]

yeah but the skin says it belonged to the servant when they were alive
but like yeah they could’ve just taken any servant and said oh look i glassed loid

[viscid quarry]

And it looks like a grey strain sample

[hazy flume]

https://youtu.be/WtNqK_XUKCQ?si=8IBNMJdI4iavCV9u
Anyone ever had this bug happen to them in Duviri?
(I had to upload it, it legit shocked me and my partner last night lol.)

Basically we hadn't even finished the corrupted Jackal's health bar off and we were teleported back to Duviri.

[trim fern]

Yes, dozens of times lately

[hazy flume]

Fair enough!

[rugged ridge]

OMG I found the vagabond's duviri mask on a table in a netracell

[viscid quarry]

Yep

There’s also things like infested tumor samples (I think it’s grey strain) those tokens you see in the picture and weapons I wish we could just take for ourselves oh right and random diagrams on the walls (I think there’s one for xaku iirc)

[obtuse gyro]

Xaku?? Thats a first. Ive only ever seen mag and excal

[graceful zodiac]

There is only Mag and Excal

[viscid quarry]

Oh

Huh I thought I saw xaku (I saw it from spectating another since I was dead)

[wanton sparrow]

So is this the actual man in the wall or just the general look of the sanctum? Because there's other gaping mouths all over the map but this resembles wally more than anything I've seen so far

[supple dagger]

It’s more like Wally leaking in. The labs aren’t actually covered with his face

[granite plover]

So what was the best time anyone got on Effervo during gargoyle?

[frail nymph]

Quite a strange feeling seeing this recommended at the end of the video... How (in)accurate have Dsiege's been lately?

[tiny knot]

Could be the case with some of them, like Necraloid's, but for the war coffins(Necramechs), I would HIGHLY doubt that

[tiny knot]

You can see how this face is grafted against the stones of the Laboratories. This one is just an effigy of sorts. Want actual Wally?

Find the pager. Look down.

[hazy flume]

YT recommendations are funny like that lol.

[hazy flume]

Funnily enough I have been recommended videos like that but never watch them, prefer GMV's, AMV's and funny clips lol.

[vagrant sphinx]

huh, is this a reference to new war

[nova harness]

The child?

[vagrant sphinx]

no the table and the food

literally same one from new war

[nova harness]

They were on the same ship remember

Duviri is built on many Zariman items

[supple dagger]

No way this is talking about Gauss Prime, right?

Albrecht ain’t messing around if he really has another Warframe somewhere in his labs

[prime lantern]

What's that

[prime lantern]

Where'd you see this

[flat shadow]

Very unlikely. Primes come from relics.

That's probably the next warframe being announced during the dev stream.

[nova harness]

Deadpan found it on Twitter

[supple dagger]

And in #de-livestreams

[viscid quarry]

Yeah but what will the warframe be like

[flat shadow]

We will have to see

[viscid quarry]

Considering this is THE 1999 update I’m assuming there’s something based off that

[craggy solstice]

I don't think we're getting the 1999 update soon.

If I remember correctly they said next tennocon they'll show more 1999?

I need to find a source on that.

[viscid quarry]

Oh right

[graceful zodiac]

1999 wouldn't be until end of this year

[viscid quarry]

My knees are gone

[flat shadow]

Way too early for 1999

[timid gate]

[supple dagger]

Gauss has some new upgrades I see

[viscid quarry]

It appears so

But does he have the car lights that pop out of the car like eyes

[timid gate]

He has the mustache that comes out when he redlines

[viscid quarry]

Gauss is confirmed Italian

[elfin plover]

Spoiler Alert! I speak fluent grineer!

[rain otter]

I think this is just gonna be like

a Echoes update.

[inland canopy]

not sure if already said, I think mara lohk means kiddo

from the wiki, mara lohk, some people said it is void child, could also be translated as kiddo when informal

[prime lantern]

Honestly good eye

[inland canopy]

with what we have, "voull ne xata vok, mara lohk?", it would then be "voull ne truth vok, kiddo?"

what other questions would be possible?

[obtuse gyro]

hmm, the thing is why would tagfer call us kiddo too?

[inland canopy]

tagfer called us child maybe

[obtuse gyro]

thats the thing, how would he have known?

[inland canopy]

Do we have dialogues for fibonacci and tagfer somewhere?

[obtuse gyro]

orokinarchives.com/dialogue-tagfer/

[inland canopy]

hmm, mara?

this is confusing

tagfer could have said "kiddo, kiddo" but in the translated voiceline of tagfer, there is no kiddo or anything

tagfer says it when he gives the key/get your attention, what possible things could he be saying? but he doesn't know the tenno's background being a void thingy difficult

[obtuse gyro]

exactly, mara lohk is probably something to call someone, but its hard to determine what that is

[inland canopy]

maybe mara lohk is to address someone, but since it is void tongue, void or lohk is used?

[rugged ridge]

Oh noooo I just remembered isn't Mara the placeholder name they used for the operator when writing scripts for the quests?

This is really interesting though good eye indeed

[nova harness]

If it was meant as a placeholder in the quest Mara wouldn’t still be there

[graceful zodiac]

It's just the name they use for scripting

[rugged ridge]

For sure I just noticed that it's used in both places not saying it means anything. I'm still spooked either way lol

Also just to be clear I don't mean programming scripts they used it in writing the dialogue before voicing it

[nova harness]

We probably won’t actually ever know what Mara means in Voidtounge

[rain otter]

It's also the name of a gun Type. We have a Mara detron.

[rugged ridge]

Ooh good catch

[rain otter]

To be fair we get named Ayatan by the family Ayatans are a already existing thing.

Like many Orokin Names are seemingly names of other things given to people.

[nova harness]

Ayatan Stars

[rain otter]

Or sculptures.

Both just caller Ayatans by Maroo.

Or Ayatan Treasures.

[nova harness]

Orokin and Murmur have something in common

Orokin means Gold Gold Murmur means Wall Wall

They both have names that are the same word twice

[obtuse gyro]

murmur is a real word though

not like orokin

[near rune]

Yeah murmur (sound) and mūrus (wall, Latin) are not related; they have completely different etymologies

And Orokin meaning "gold gold" requires you to translate from two different languages (Spanish and Japanese), which is… a weird thing to do

[inland canopy]

I have a strong feeling Mara is either child or kid, given the nature how our operator is young

if it is a placeholder

[obtuse gyro]

thing is, what if youre using the drifter? not really a child are we

personally I'm banking on mara lohk meaning void demon

[inland canopy]

hmm, then that would make Mara detron as demon detron?

[obtuse gyro]

which of course is unfairly using a real world translation for Mara which doesnt necessarily apply

[obtuse gyro]

not really, different cultures can have the same word yknow

mind you the voidtongue isnt a widely known thing

[inland canopy]

I also think mara detron having mara might not have a connection to the word mara

[obtuse gyro]

so a corpus group having "mara" in their weapon name (especially since its smugglers too) doesnt look like theyre using voidtongue

[inland canopy]

was mara used in the scripts during the release of operator or drifter?

it could be demon also

[obtuse gyro]

mara is usually the placeholder name for the tenno on their scripts, but it wouldnt affect much of the actual content of the scripts

[nova harness]

Drifters placeholder doesn’t have a name currently but a lot of people just call him Pedro Pascal

[inland canopy]

if mara was used in scripts when the operator was still young (before drifter was implemented), it could be child or person

it could then be person, or young person, still trying to relate how it could be informally transformed into kiddo from mara lohk

void person, void kid/child, void demon

I'm sure "Mara Lohk" is for addressing people similar to kiddo/kid, drifter might be old but Tagfer might be older than drifter, fibonacci is also older than the drifter (still unsure about these)

[nova harness]

Most Warframe characters are older than Drifter

[inland canopy]

but if mara detron would link (but I think it isn't related), Mara could mean early, or young, so it is Early Detron or Young Detron

[viscid quarry]

What if Mara is just the void version of hey ki- oh wait modu said that already

[viscid quarry]

Hell if 120 is still angsty teenager age then drifter is probably still a child to most people in wf

[supple dagger]

wasn't the operator in a cryo stasis chamber for years?

kind of want to ask a lore master

also the time skip to new war

[viscid quarry]

Well a transferance pod but basically yes and for thousands of years not just years iirc

Then again Darvo is like what 120 (assuming that’s still canon) and is considered an angsty teenager so there’s that

[balmy storm]

wait WHAT

I guess life expectancy would go up with better medical tech