spoiler-chat

[prime rampart]

gas citay

[rain otter]

Untrue you could literally see the RJ fighters.

In the level and The sisters are made with the hands.

[graceful zodiac]

For Corpus RJ. That's not connected to Corpus Sisters

[rain otter]

Also the ship tile set is used in the coprus RJ section.

[rain otter]

They plan stuff out years in advance so I don't agree.

Also The character for Coprus RJ was used for the Liches and they even said she was gonna be used for that.

Before the RJ update came out.

[prime rampart]

ooh what if they turn a now dead jordas into the infested rj node

[umbral granite]

Multiple jordas

[rain otter]

I doubt that would happen. But Eris is the like worst and also oldest tile.

I hate it so much.

[eternal kettle]

The old small corpus ships made smaller by it's broken infested state

[prime rampart]

ah

[vague veldt]

Nah oldest tileset would be the Corpus outpost tileset.

[prime rampart]

they do like to infest corpus

[umbral granite]

The infested wouldn't let a fallen golem sit there hoarding resources

[eternal kettle]

Yea, the waypoints don't know about bulletjumping

[rain otter]

Like the Intro to the quest would be like Mother contacting us and being like "Hey the Infested are breaking out more figure out why go check Eriz" and then we find the hive mind and they try to kill us.

That's the quest. I'm calling it now.

[rain otter]

But those work lmao. Like the Eris tile set is so bad.

I hate it so much.

[vague veldt]

Yeah but you said it was the oldest also which isn't really true.

[rain otter]

I should have said

One of the oldest.

[prime rampart]

i mean it is just an old corpus ship but infested so maybe the jordas latched onto another ship type.

[rain otter]

It's either the second or third oldest tileset.

[eternal kettle]

Jordas is most likely just dead

Many infested ships just orbit Eris

[prime rampart]

now we're thinkin

[umbral granite]

Even if jordas is dead they still stated there were more golems

[eternal kettle]

Wasn't that with a hint of maybe?

[rain otter]

Okay so originally he died during the raid.

There was a raid with Jordas golem btw

[eternal kettle]

But than again, those other golems may be responisible for Plague Star

[vague veldt]

Its far younger than that lol. We got Grineer Asteroid Base, Corpus outpost, Grineer Galioen and Orokin tileset far before that. Even the Corpus Gas City tileset is older than than the Infested Corpus Ship though I don't count that one because it got reworked.

[rain otter]

Also we need actual Infested ships and the lore talks about Infested like just floating through space so UPDATE TO INFESTED SHIP TILE SET.

[vague veldt]

And there is probably more.

[umbral granite]

Yall ever looked at Eris from extract?

Got a giant hole in it

[rain otter]

Yep

I think that was added recently.

[umbral granite]

Wonder what that's from

So what I've gathered in the last hour is that next year will be all about wally and the infested

separately and together

[rain otter]

Yeah I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS

Since the start of this year.

Maybe even longer.

Also I want Infested RJ for new guns and mods.

And fixing gunnery rank 10.

[umbral granite]

Im a slow learner and haven't been paying attention to this chat

[rain otter]

Fair

[eternal kettle]

Liches have been a response to tenno threat. What if infested liches are a response to the void

[rain otter]

Oh also spider fight with Narmer somewhere in it.

Sometime soon.

[umbral granite]

Can the tenno be considered semi self-contained mini voids?

[eternal kettle]

Probably more like tiny portals

[rain otter]

Not mini.

[umbral granite]

Self contained portals

[rain otter]

The Holdfasts say have like a super strong like God like void aura to us.

[eternal kettle]

Yea, we are like a lamp to them

[rain otter]

Like we overpower the Void coming from the finger on the Zariman.

[umbral granite]

And we can barely use a fraction of that power

[rain otter]

Hmmmm

Idk

[graceful zodiac]

We're just another suitable font

[vague veldt]

We don't. The Holdfasts just started using us as an energy source to continue existing.

[eternal kettle]

They feed on us. But not too much

[umbral granite]

If we dedicated the time and energy to it could we revert the angels to a more human like form

[graceful zodiac]

Unlikely

[eternal kettle]

Doubt it. Reversing what wally did to the other Holdfasts seems impossible

Hunting and killing them to stop the song is the best option for the Zariman

[rain otter]

But like we are reversing their Void corrupt.

[umbral granite]

Where the void is involved nothing is impossible

Maybe very difficult

[eternal kettle]

For them yes, but the Angels are too far gone

[rain otter]

No cuz they seemingly go like mad when that happens.

[umbral granite]

Not impossible

[rain otter]

I agree.

[graceful zodiac]

Very much impossible. We'd have to beat Wally or remove the Reliquary

[umbral granite]

One of those I know we can pull off

[supple dagger]

Albrechts plan about making giant Warframes better succeed cause that would be fun

[eternal kettle]

Attack on titan in warframe

[umbral granite]

Removing the drive might not be good for plugging the zariman breach

[vague veldt]

Through the solving of their feelings and traumas. They're literal living thought imprints of the persons that died to make them. Its got nothing to do with "cleansing" them of void corruption.

[umbral granite]

But we could do it

[rain otter]

We literally see it happen.

Their faces and stuff have visible void corruption that slowly goes away m.

[umbral granite]

What shroomy said

[rain otter]

Also they literally say if they like get too corrupted they will turn into angels.

[eternal kettle]

At rank 5 it's completely gone

[rain otter]

Yep

[vague veldt]

Yes but you said we overpowered the void energy coming from the Reliquary Drive but that is not what happened. They switched to being empowered by us and that is what is helping them regain a more human form along with the emotional help were giving them.

[rain otter]

Related to this btw.

[umbral granite]

So we might be able to force feed angels

[rain otter]

The Tempestarri RJ skin has a unique wear and tear that is Void Corruption.

[vague veldt]

Angels are probably to far gone.

[rain otter]

Its the only wear and tear I like.

[umbral granite]

Probably

Not guaranteed tho

The thought we might be able to create a counter corruption is weird

[eternal kettle]

In the Codex they are listed as "Faction: unknown" they probably should be labeled "Murmur" now

They even have the same texture as the murmur hands

[umbral granite]

What if they murmur were made using angel parts

[vague veldt]

What should be listed as Murmur? Void Angels?

[eternal kettle]

Yes

They currently listed as "unknown"

[vague veldt]

Wouldn't really make sense. The Murmur are direct manifestations of Wally/The Indifference but Void Angels are corrupted Void Echos. They probably serve the same entity but they have different origins.

[eternal kettle]

Disagree, they are definitely in the same faction. The necramechs are also classified as "murmur"

[vague veldt]

Which I don't think they should but they're listed in the Murmur faction for convivence and because they're encountered in the same tileset.

[umbral granite]

And because they were corrupted by the murmur even if they don't show it

[vague veldt]

That to.

[obtuse gyro]

Easy test then, see if the new murmur mod works on the bots

Even the game classifies in mission the bots as murmur enemies in the bounties

[eternal kettle]

He agrees with that

[vague veldt]

I didn't say they weren't Murmur game-wise but in a lore sense they technically aren't Murmur.

[eternal kettle]

He argues that they are only labeled as such cuz putting multipule factions in a tileset causes them to fight. And the necramechs can't fight the murmur.

[umbral granite]

Mostly unrelated question but what do you all think a warframe-Necramech amalgamation would look like

[obtuse gyro]

Must be my hound rad procing to the heavens because sometimes i see the goobers fighting each other

[obtuse gyro]

Bulky

[vague veldt]

I could see it happen if DE were to run out of ideas but lorewise I don't see why we would have a Necramech based Warframe given that the Warframes were meant to replace the Necramechs.

[obtuse gyro]

A warframe with the heavy weaponry of a necramech

[eternal kettle]

That's Hildyrn

[obtuse gyro]

Comes with exalted archgun

[umbral granite]

Brute force plus speed and variety

[obtuse gyro]

Not really, shes got guns but not the kind that goes pew

[umbral granite]

Bit of tankyness too

[rain otter]

Or turns INTO ONE

That's what I want. I want my warframe who's 4 summons or turns into a necramech.

[supple dagger]

Would love a Warframe that uses artillery

I’m talking missiles, a railgun, a shoulder canon, etc

[nova harness]

So basically every Warframe?

[supple dagger]

I mean a Warframe thats like War Machine in Marvel

[amber terrace]

I implore someone to correct me here, during the Whispers quest, in the end sequence, is Loid carrying a Zylok Prime? I don’t think I have a picture of it but I distinctly remember seeing him carry something that looked awfully Zylok prime-y

[nova harness]

It was a Zylok dunno about Prime

[lyric thunder]

it looked like a zylok prime

definitely not the regular zylok

[amber terrace]

I just would like whoever did the sfx for the Murmur to know that they are amazing

The crumbling stones/gravel sounds interact with my brain in exactly the correct way

[regal axle]

I super love being stuck in the elevator for an entire bounty...

[atomic lynx]

At least it’s a very pretty elevator

[vague veldt]

Final rank up costs for the Cavia

[atomic lynx]

Honestly that’s not bad

I’ve lost count of how many lanthorns were needed for all the zariman stuff

[summer relic]

I’ve gotten more from one bounty from the cavia then like 5 in the zariman

[amber terrace]

If I may speculate, I think that once one hits r5 with the Cavia, they will all be somewhat chill with each other, but I don’t know and I care not to know until I hit R5

[vague veldt]

Being rank 4 sucks because every Cavia is coughing and I myself is sick with the seasonal cough to.

[rain otter]

this is fine.

i've seen worse

i've been better

[vague veldt]

I didn't say it was bad?...

[rain otter]

oh i know

I was giving my opinion lmao it's good lul.

i didn't mean to imply you felt some kinda way about it lul.

[vague veldt]

Ah

[woeful patio]

Bro literally flex on our face

[wild wind]

just hit rank 4 with the Cavia

Do their colors actually change??

[vague veldt]

Some people like to know so that they can prepare in advance. I usually also rush straight to rank 5 before I start buying other that the syndicate offers. Usually easier to keep track of what you want when everything is unlocked.

[vague veldt]

The Cavia still look the same to me.

[wild wind]

aight

[amber terrace]

How late am I?

[trim fern]

Still ahead of me 🙂

[amber terrace]

Question about getting the Mandonel, I looked it up and all the wiki said was that the parts drop from Murmur Mirror Defense, Murmur Survival, and Murmur Alchemy as a rotation B and C drop. Does this mean that each part is respective to a specific mission type or can I just cheese a survival and get all the parts after a few hours?

[trim fern]

In the comments of that page someone posted the drops for each

[rain otter]

I need to get my daily standing.

[ebon fractal]

bird 3 ???

[frozen stump]

yeah, I thought it was an accidental 'oops, left a PH tag in there' at first, too.

it is growing on me, though. the lil floof is adorable.

[rain otter]

Yes.

Bird 3.

[wild wind]

Rank 3 explains a bit more

Suffice to say, one of the animals is the odd one out, and it's not who you expect

[amber terrace]

Because I have a pee pee poo poo memory, is it ||Fibonacci||?(I’m already R3 so spoilers are not a pressing issue)

[frozen stump]

nope - ||tagfer. hes upset with fibonacci because he blames him for minn's death - straight up tried to kill him.||

[wild wind]

Actually no he was right

Fibonacci is the odd one out

[frozen stump]

Ill side with him, too. ||that fish is goin DOWN||

[wild wind]

Bird 3 and Tagfer didn't have real names

Bird 3 isn't a name it's a designation

Tagfer is short for "tag for destruction"

Fibonacci has a name because he named himself

Because he wasn't part of the planned experiment, he was just a fish that Albrecht threw into the last batch of guinea pigs because why not

[rain otter]

I don't blame Fib.

[wild wind]

So it's incredibly ironic that he's the one genuine success

[frozen stump]

how would that work? stick his whole tank into a seriglass bell?

[rain otter]

Or Tag.

[wild wind]

That's basically what they did yeah

[amber terrace]

A cruel late night speculation I have. Nobody knows if Tagfer and Minn were gonna be a thing post void exposure. For all we know, a sapient Minn wouldn’t like a sapient Tagfer

[rain otter]

I understand both of them.

[rain otter]

I mean it was probably a smaller tank.

[wild wind]

For a while I thought the rank 5 conversation was going to involve the group using void shenanigans to yank Minn out of the void

[rain otter]

I mean they where the last of their species a mate pair.

So idk.

[rain otter]

Nah that would ruin the growth of the characters if none of it matters.

[wild wind]

Since one of the rules of the void is "if no one actually saw something happen you can totally fudge a result to make it turn out the way you want"

[amber terrace]

Just because you are expected to love out of an existential need, doesn’t mean that love will actually exist

[wild wind]

It would still matter, they would have needed to work together to get the result, and they can't work together without clearing the air between them

[frozen stump]

WAIT. it could be an onkko type situation.
probably not. Its more probable that they are going to reconcile in some way. Maybe fibonacci will own up and apologize.

[wild wind]

Regardless nope, they're ||sick with void Covid||

[frozen stump]

unless its an angles of the zariman thing, ||they get cured just by being near us.||

[wild wind]

That ||happens at rank 3, it's the reason he loses the exuberance from then on||

[amber terrace]

Forgive me if this sounds cruel, I’d actually prefer to see Tagfer alone, needing to find his own emotional footing instead of obsessing over something that possibly never would have worked

[wild wind]

That's very likely

Oh, that matters not at all

Literally all the Orokin species are geneforged clones in the first place

All we need is a syringe and a Kubrow egg and we can fix his species extinction issue

Losing his actual partner sucks though

[frozen stump]

well, to get the genetic blueprint for a female of his species, we would need a female of that species.
instead, we'd only be able to make little tagfers, not little minns.

[rain otter]

They are also the last of their species Tagfer and Minn.

Does the 4 and 5th thing make them like I don't wanna say Happy cuz they can't be happy but resolved I guess

[frozen stump]

reconciled? able to at least work together, even if tagfer hates fibonacci?

[rain otter]

Yeah

That's what I'm asking.

[magic summit]

sends a Kill squad after TheStormAI

[wild wind]

I'm at 4, things are.... ||Better since they agree to work together again. Then Tagfer realizes that they're all super sick and Loid admits they have a terminal sickness from void exposure that he's working on curing||

So their rank 4 lines are them either ||calm or coughing||, with Loid's unchanged from 3

Also I just looked this up, "cavia" is the scientific name for a specific rodent subspecies

The ||guinea pig|| family

[frozen stump]

what was the name of tagfers species again? I know it also started with a C

[wild wind]

Corvelite or similar

[frozen stump]

I swear DE mentioned that name before, or showed his model years ago as a possible future conservation animal on a devstream.

[wild wind]

They look a lot like tamms

[frozen stump]

no, specifically the head shape, I remeber.

[obtuse gyro]

well, I'm going to take that whatever Bird 3 says, is essentially what Wally is experiencing

Bird 3 just whipped up an idle which basically tallies exactly how I imagine Wally must have experienced being shaped by Albrecht's entry into the void

[umbral granite]

Anyone here know if we have a translation for wallys sentence at the of TNW and WitW?

[obtuse gyro]

nope

theres no realistic way to translate voidtongue as of now

[umbral granite]

Hm

Just asking cause I remembered mara detron was a thing

[obtuse gyro]

thats uh, a very different thing

[umbral granite]

True

Still mentions mara being hebrew for bitter

But yeah

Probably not related

[wild wind]

You know, if DE tells us what the other voidtongue words mean, that means we potentially have all-new Requiem phrases

[umbral granite]

On the off chance it is though the last part of that sentence could be 'bitter void' or something similar

[wild wind]

Doesn't sound right somehow

Though hm. "His curse upon you"...?

[magic summit]

Wall-E: and I would've gotten away with it too, if it hadnt been for those meddling tenno and their pets

[eternal kettle]

Tennocon 2019

[obtuse gyro]

Eidolon critter lol

[hollow totem]

well they from same place if not mistaken

[obtuse gyro]

?

Do you mean earth or tau?

[hollow totem]

my mistake i thought eidolon was locked into void

nvm

[oak lark]

The new syndicate story is 😭

[high cosmos]

Is that good or bad

[feral lintel]

methinks good, we gets lotsa story about the animals

that being said, the lorebits from the book-whispers are interesting

[craggy solstice]

As someone who's only Rank 3 in the syndicate, it's a good thing. I'm invested in the characters a lot.

[jovial pollen]

Bird 3 is my spirit bird

[high cosmos]

Got it.

[rain otter]

It's good in its a good story. It is very like "sad" though.

[nimble bridge]

Now I get that a lot of work gets put into facial animations, but I really wish our hood and facial cosmetics would persist in cutscenes. Some of those cosmetics do a lot to alter the look of operators, and some of them even cost money, so for them to disappear every time our characters appear in cutscenes can get a little irritating, at least for me. Any of you guys feel the same way?

[thick jolt]

A toggle for that would be a nice quality of life but personally i dont feel the need for it

[nimble bridge]

Part of it for me is that near all of the interesting bits of my outfit are the parts getting stripped in cutscenes; the Saita prime hood, the vayas prime mask, etc. but when that stuff gets removed it leaves my character and Wally both looking exceptionally bland

[supple dagger]

Clan operation starts tomorrow

[frozen stump]

OMG THANK YOU I SPENT SO LONG SEARCHING

[old bobcat]

im assuming dreamers wrath goes crazy on glaives

?

[rain otter]

what is that?

i don't know all the new mods names or what they do.

[amber terrace]

What’s a good mission type I can farm out those sweet succulent lore fragments from those whisper book boss whatsits?

[rain otter]

APPARENTLY they work like angles.

so 1 spawns every mission you just gotta find the 1.

so exterm i guess.

also they have or supposed to have i can't promise the droptables are working 100% correctly but they are supposed to have a 50% fragment

drop rate.

[amber terrace]

Sounds about right from the ones I’ve killed

[supple dagger]

You can also do the bounties that involve hunting down the books themselves. Its way faster cause you don’t need to search the entire map

[amber terrace]

True, I would do that but I don’t think there’s a book bounty up rn, there was last bounty rotation but I wasn’t able to hop on that for full effect

[scarlet basalt]

ngl warframe do be loving gray character,
Feels good bcz it could also go deep for other factions, what they're doing etc...
Would love to see a corpus cyberpunk quest that could lead to a revolution and a potential good ending for them 👀

[rain otter]

Gray do you mean gay?

Cuz Loid are Albretch are super gay.

Which is great

[scarlet basalt]

True and i love it
But i mean : Albretch is acting for the greater good, to save the solar system but his methods are.... Not that good

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[scarlet basalt]

iirc we have also that on the zariman and it's pretty good, it really feels like it's easier to pick one side than to understand someone

[wild wind]

Albrecht is a hero but not a good person

Loid actually had the guy's number

[wicked iron]

What irritated me the most about Albrecht was the transmission about him leaving to protect Loid. I guess screw his daughter and the rest of the family.

[wild wind]

Like I said, Loid had his number. Albrecht's last message to him was an attempt to emotionally manipulate him.

[scarlet basalt]

Toxic boy love webtoon i see

[wild wind]

Orokin gonna Orokin

[scarlet basalt]

ngl
I really hope albretch doesn't go like : "I want to be an higher form of life so i join mitw"
Even tho that would be so weird given that he made giants

[wild wind]

I think "main" Albrecht isn't into that. Can't speak for Wally-possessed Albrecht but the real guy seems too into himself to ever acquiesce to it.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe echoes of whispers in the walls may explain more about wth is going on
Like adding more things on the computer,more lines,etc... ?

[rain otter]

The fragments say he abandoned his family like a long time ago.

[wild wind]

there's a thought. Have any of the other Echoes updates added lore?

[scarlet basalt]

😦 i don't think so
But some add really cool tileset iirc

[wild wind]

Oh wait, Duviri did with Kullervo

[rain otter]

Oh it did.

That had lore.

[scarlet basalt]

it was an echoes ? i thought this was a separate one 😮

[wild wind]

Yeah, main Duviri released, then Echoes added Kullervo.

[rain otter]

Whispers I could see adding like a bunch of QoL and stuff for echoes.

[wild wind]

more arcanes I expect

probably not a new Warframe

[scarlet basalt]

but tbf
They could add directly into the computer, it would be easier than adding a kullervo type of update that required a warframe,voicelines,entire tileset, bounty changes, specifics timezone

[wild wind]

I mean, there are lots of things that would be easy that they don't do for other reasons

If they want to add more lore entries they will; I kinda hope they do since the lab computer has buttons that don't do anything now

[scarlet basalt]

wait fr , i didn't see those 😮
I hope 🙏

would be crazy if they add a murmur ennemy ngl

[wild wind]

oh that's a good point, I bet they do add a new enemy or two

[scarlet basalt]

One that just drop kick you 🙏

[wild wind]

Also it's possible that the Gargoyle's Cry event tomorrow will have more lore

Orphix Venom had a bunch of New War teasers and some offhand backstory stuff

[scarlet basalt]

ohh true
We still don't know why we have to build a gargoyle

[wild wind]

cough

Murmur's totally invading our dojo

[scarlet basalt]

so we summon a gargoyle...
That's a way to do it i guess

[dry dome]

Do t say that. I haven’t tidied!

[wild wind]

That's my guess. We're giving it a target so it goes after us instead of something harder to defend

Like Cetus

[scarlet basalt]

tbh i don't think they'll go the hard route unless it's an event that will come every year
Oh...Scarlet spear...

[wild wind]

They'll probably recycle parts of the event for other stuff

[scarlet basalt]

it would be cool if the netracell lore may go a little bit deeper about archon shard 😔
Would be fun if albretch tried to put the archon shard into the vessel to see if it could work like our warframe and archon shard

[rain otter]

okay i also hit rank 4

they actually act way nicer towards each other than i thought they would.

they sound like "happy" but also sicker.

[wild wind]

Yeah that's what I'm hearing too

[rain otter]

also I went to see what the Fish says on rank up

cuz he always says a new thing on the rank up screen and he is like

"oh Loid is gonna try to cure us but we are the only things with this affliction so we will probably die but make sure Loid doesn't feel bad when he fails"

[wild wind]

Haha close, he's more "we're the only ones sick with this so it's even more impressive if we survive"

[rain otter]

yeah

[amber terrace]

Welp… hit R4 and ||Loid you adorable little idiot. You don’t say you’re working on a working cure to mega space cancer AIDS(Void saturation/over exposure) and then append it with “I think”||

[wild wind]

[amber terrace]

Also, don’t know what this says about my taste in men, but some parts of Loid’s personality are absolutely adorable, he’s like the human equivalent of a wet paper napkin and it’s adorable sometimes

[rain otter]

Also Birds talk was very nice and even Fib had a good moment.

[amber terrace]

Very true

[rain otter]

I wonder if you just like him cuz he cares at all? Are your standards just in the dumpster? It's okay if if they are.

[amber terrace]

For me it’s primarily the moments where he looks like the human equivalent of a wet paper napkin tbh, it makes me want to pat him on the back and give words of encouragement

[obtuse gyro]

??!

[rain otter]

Oh so broken toasters.

Alright I'm picking up what you're putting down.

[amber terrace]

For those in the audience, what’s a broken toaster?

[rain otter]

Just someone that is like slightly damaged.

[amber terrace]

Ah

[rain otter]

You wanna protect and fix him.

Kinda like a baby bird

With a broken wing.

[midnight swallow]

@spiral summit i think the explosion when the book is destroyed is causing the loot to be displaced. i can consisently find the arcane up above where the book was destroy but at the boundary of the area or inside the ceiling itself. the explosion sends players back. im not sure if its effect loot. i have 2 screen shots of when it bugging if you want them in a support ticket for looking into

[jovial pollen]

Does the eye skin change the books projectiles to eyes?

[midnight swallow]

nope

[jovial pollen]

Darn well shiny book it is

[supple dagger]

Yea that also happened to me a few times. I had to like jump up above where the book was to sometimes get the fragment and loot

[prime lantern]

Any tips for finding the wally grimoire

[rose dirge]

No I feel the same.

"The way you talk makes me wanna squeeze you like a squeaky toy and I don't know why." Me @ Loid

[compact haven]

I can hear the crunching of his spine from here

[dry dome]

I really like how my impressions of Loid have switched from the quest to the ranking story

[nova harness]

Still don’t understand how they made Loid 2 times

[fleet spruce]

Loid is soooooo gay!!!
I kinda wish he's a femboy >~< >///<

[cinder steppe]

"...It was that somehow within the derelict horrors, they found a way to see inside an ugly broken thing... and take away its pain..."

[dry dome]

What better way to fight indifference than with compassion?

[nova harness]

I wish we started boxing him

Dunno how compassion worked on a guy with no emotions

[formal karma]

I was a boring quest with a weird ending. Missed opportunity there to have an exciting fight

[nova harness]

It wasn’t a boring quest but sorry to hear you was a boring quest

[prime lantern]

This guy when everything isn't explosion

[wicked iron]

I was really looking forward to using the Vessels to fight in, as well. If we were really trying to rebuild and protect the world, we'd probably wipe the board of the Worm Queen, Corpus leadership, and the Infested lol. So much of the game has been presented as us being unable to do all that, so we just maintain the balance between the evil Grineer and Corpus leaders so neither wins, sort of leaving things in perpetual awfulness and stagnation.

[formal karma]

I haven't cared for Warframes lore since the sacrifice. It's just random weirdness for the sake of being weird

[prime lantern]

What

[nova harness]

They build up events leading to bigger events it’s not weird just to be weird

[wicked iron]

Heck, you'd think with us and the number of converted Liches and Sisters we must collectively have by now that we could easily wrest control of the system from the other factions, but we don't really do anything like that.

[nova harness]

I have been trying to figure out was we kicked out the Warframe or did we exit it so we could get into the vessel?

[cinder steppe]

Well my take on it is that Wally was so strong because of Loid's indifference. We had to calm and reassure him to push back Wally

[cinder steppe]

Hmmm this makes me think that this is perhapse what Wally wants.

We leave the origin system in "indifference" 🤔

[prime lantern]

Wants alot

[nova harness]

Isn’t indifference not caring tho

Warframes are indifferent about everyone they kill

[scarlet basalt]

Would be funny if the vessel can be used and like us, the indifference can take the vessel as a warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Well yea, thats kinda what happens no?

[nova harness]

DE had a missed opportunity to let us fight

[scarlet basalt]

I thought that it was a mere copy of a vessel

[obtuse gyro]

If it was a copy it wouldn't have stayed after being placated

[scarlet basalt]

Yep he is truly a godngl

[obtuse gyro]

Not so much a god

More just... Not different

He is everything before he was

[supple dagger]

Ehh I understand why they did what they did. Just look at that one Ballas quote

[nova harness]

The ugly broken thing one?

[supple dagger]

Yea

[nova harness]

Never understood that logic because we were fine ditching Rell

Killing him

Killing everyone else

[obtuse gyro]

Thats extremely reductive and lacking all the nuance lmao

[nova harness]

We were fine killing our family Grineer Corpus but a Warframe comes around and we help

Ballas is stupid

[obtuse gyro]

Point still stands

[nova harness]

What point

[supple dagger]

I mean we do a similar thing to the Orowyrms when we defeat them

[nova harness]

We literally look at an ugly broken thing and cause it pain

Ballas was just wrong

[nova harness]

After shooting it 300 times

[supple dagger]

Well yea to weaken it so that we could calm them down

[compact haven]

Like reeling in a fish, the longer it fights, the more tired it gets until it's eventually capable of being subdued.

[obtuse gyro]

That what youre saying is reductive and missing too much nuance

[nova harness]

How does using a controller take away pain?

[obtuse gyro]

Tada reductive

You completely dropped the nature of control

[nova harness]

It’s just an incorrect quote

[obtuse gyro]

Because youre dropping all the things important to it

Such as what happens in transference

How it connects the minds

[nova harness]

Where’s the taking away pain

[obtuse gyro]

When we link to it via transference

Also, your evidence for ballas being wrong being based in a extremely basic understanding of "using a controller" makes your argument extremely weak

Its not backed by lore

And we go back to "we are fine with killing rell"

Did you honestly have that as a takeaway? Like there was no passionate cry to lay him to rest after he was possessed by wally?

Really?

[nova harness]

Ballas literally says it as you jump into a thing you fix that thing

Hey ugly broken thing I’m in charge now that’s gonna fix you

[prime lantern]

No

The being in charge part comes after understanding and easing there pain

Transference isn't just mind control

You become one in the same
Archimedean silvana couldn't hold transference like us

[nova harness]

How do we ease their pain?

Do we use mending Soul?

Are we taking their pain instead

This stuff wasn’t explained very well

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think you need the exact mechanism to understand that its a thing that happens

Just because you didnt understand it then doesnt give you sufficient evidence or cause to claim that it is false

[nova harness]

Is it one of those we used empathy things?

[low badger]

I thought Loid was alone here? Or is the group of them calling themselves "the backroom boys"?

[obtuse gyro]

there are 3 other folks with you and loid in there

[nova harness]

The Cavia

Animals that talk

[low badger]

I understand that, but I think it's in regards to Loid working on ||the cure after rank 4||

[obtuse gyro]

well yea, its still refering to the cavia

[low badger]

I don't think the Cavia are much help with alembics

[obtuse gyro]

theyre still active, even if they arent working on that thing

[nova harness]

Now that I think about it have they confirmed if the Cavia were the ones writing the story of the Origin System?

Or if it was Albrecht going back and fourth

[wicked iron]

It could be some automated system keeping track of things.

[nova harness]

Imagine it was Wally being the true author of the game

[nova harness]

Loids outfit is weird

It has that thing that exposes part of the skin like it was made for a woman

[torpid spade]

guys what time coming crossave

[nova harness]

There’s no release date

[flat shadow]

No news yet

[north trail]

well the author of that refers to itself as "we"

[torpid spade]

sad

[flat shadow]

Eh. I'm working overtime so I can take more time off to play.

[rain otter]

He can say this at any rank also the cavia really like the research stuff and things.

It's why giving him Voca raises standing cuz the cavia like studying it.

[north trail]

I'd say it's the cavia, especially as whoever that is started the kalymos sequence and albrecht seemed to insist to keep the cavia (maybe he tasked them with finding the operator)

[rain otter]

They where put in statsis by loid

And presumably taken out by him.

[viscid quarry]

Which leaves the automated systems of the lab

[jovial pollen]

The system got tired of wally whispering at them and demanded a refund

[nova harness]

Wonder if DE were thinking Albert Einstein when they made Albrecht Entrati

[eternal linden]

graphics were really eye-catching 😎

[amber terrace]

I have a question: how did void angels end up in Albrecht’s labs? I thought Void Angels were a phenomenon exclusive to the circumstances of the Zariman?

[nova harness]

They go anywhere void related at this point

[flat shadow]

They are from the Void. The murmurs are from the Void, too.

[nova harness]

I’d ask what the curse of knowing is but it’s title says it all

Can this book even do anything?

[atomic lynx]

Once you’ve filled up the dojo statue is there anything else to do? Or just wait for it to reset?

[flat shadow]

I think you can keep running the mission for more currency if you want.

[nova harness]

He has a shop

Sells one item everyone wants

[rain otter]

The statue has a shop with Eidolon arcanes and stuff.

Also I said this in other chats but The SP verison is very worth it for the increased Currency.

[atomic lynx]

Oh yeah I’ve purchased my arcanes, I was just curious about the feeding mechanic, as my tiny clan can only feed two of each and we’re already done

[rain otter]

It goes from 1-3 Currency to like 4-6 Currency from the boss.

[rain otter]

Okay I had to re-read the notes how many times you completely feed it is what statue at the end you get for event. It does reset each week.

[atomic lynx]

Ah gotcha, well back to arcane farming I guess

[rain otter]

Like i said SP verison of that mission like more than double

Currency for about the same time.

[amber terrace]

Question: is there a reward for killing the 60 eye boss for this event? The current gear and builds I have render me practically unable to do the boss(from what I’ve heard of from friends attempting the boss) so I just want to make sure that the only thing I’m realistically missing out on is Yoshikage Kira bait(hands) on my landing craft

[rain otter]

I don't think theirs any special reward for killing it during the event. If that is what you are asking.

[nova harness]

For this new event do we gotta get all 3 maxed or just one or get one with at least 1 book?

[rain otter]

What do you mean?

[amber terrace]

Yeah, I was asking if there was an event reward for killing the Fragmented One you can kill by collecting 60 murmur eyes in the Steel Path version of the assassinate mission and you answered my question, my apologies for the phrasing : )

[nova harness]

Have you built the gargoyle?

[rain otter]

Oh wait someone in the clan has to kill that boss

To get the curse from it.

But shRug.

[rain otter]

Yes.

[nova harness]

Do you need to max all 3?

[rain otter]

I think so? To get like the Trophies for the Dojo.

[nova harness]

There’s a Roman crown reward isn’t there

[rain otter]

That is from the community at large unlocking it.

Not indivual clans.

[nova harness]

So everyone will that for taking part?

[rain otter]

I think when we reach a certain goal it will be purchasable in everyone's Statue.

[flat shadow]

If the community goal is reached, everyone will be able to get it from the rewards shop.

[rain otter]

Yep.

[nova harness]

Doesn’t seem like DE are keeping track

[rain otter]

They probably are. Give it a day.

It just came out.

[nova harness]

It’s at 0% and I’ve done it a few times already

Potato servers maybe

[flat shadow]

Community goals are not possible for individuals to reach. It will take time for enough folks to join in before the counter starts moving.

[nova harness]

I’ve done it in 4 player squads

[thick jolt]

from the event instructions it isnt about doing the mission but rather how many times you fill the statue to full

[nova harness]

Oh

So if I get 30

Then do extra

Then it’ll go up

[eternal linden]

How can I get the curse of seeing

[thick jolt]

luck unfortunately
each curse drops from one variant of the normal fragmented bosses( there was no mention of the not so secret one in the event instructions)

[prime lantern]

Like direct buy or gambling?

[eternal linden]

Is there a way to spawn Anchorite or its all by luck?

[rain otter]

Buying with event currency.

[nova harness]

RNG

[prime lantern]

Right but like directly buying it or buying an arcane pack?

[rain otter]

Wait does each of the 3 Spawn randomly?

[rain otter]

Do you have the statue?

Are their 4 bosses?

[thick jolt]

so far there has been no order to which boss spawns when i do the mission

[thick jolt]

3 normal and one steel path secret but not so secret one

[prime lantern]

Ain't home yet

[rain otter]

Okay

[thick jolt]

but for the event it seems we want the 3 normal ones

[rain otter]

I was wrong I was incorrect.

[rain otter]

So yeah this is correct the event doesn't ask to kill the fragmented one or anything. @amber terrace

[supple dagger]

You get all 3 curses, 2 of each from killing it

So 6 in total

[amber terrace]

Ah, still not doing the secret boss though, I don’t have the effort to spare remodding my Hildryn Prime to account for the funny business I’ve heard that boss can do

[supple dagger]

Yea its the bullet sponge of all bullet sponges

[wild wind]

It's pretty funny all right

[rain otter]

that's funny

but not needed.

[atomic lantern]

How do I be a founder

[thick jolt]

you dont

[atomic lantern]

Then how do I do cross save

[thick jolt]

wait for it to be released to everyone

basically founders are getting to test the thing but for example some of them already lost platinum with the merge so be glad you arent doing it right this second

[rain otter]

yeah.

[frail nymph]

I'm so glad that my thing about "the direction of time" being the "direction of causality" in spacetime is actually correct in the game's lore : D (besides that one past line about having to realign with causality when coming back from a void expedition)

Strands of Khra seems like what we would call timelines. Cause Khra means time and the MITW is trapped to remain within the timelines themselves while his finger is still missing.

Oh lol the next line is literally about how they are conceptually embodied timelines

[rain otter]

I love how Sassy is Fib is during this part.

[supple dagger]

WBBB ANDROID

Its been 30 years

[rain otter]

I see Android talking in Lore sometimes.

but

my IDEA of TIME is messed up so.

[supple dagger]

So basically Wally without his finger is stuck in the strands of Khra, if I’m understanding this correctly

[rain otter]

that's how the like fragments and him are specificly attacking us.

[supple dagger]

Makes sense

[fading current]

So what’s this mean exactly? Like they are made up timelines in the void?

[amber terrace]

Cavia R4 spoilers: ||It’s nice to see that Tagfer is a little chill now, and he seems to be dealing with his grief in a somewhat productive way by having us hit netracells||

[supple dagger]

||Yea and Fibonacci is finally not super sad anymore whenever you talk to him||

[frail nymph]

I have to work 20 hours/week while studying for Masters, living alone, and still going out 😭

I have too little time for lore

I still have no idea what's up with Dagath

[supple dagger]

Danngg I respect the grind

[frail nymph]

Aka he can't freely hop timelines right now.

Also one of the strands was cut off at the end of the quest. Not exactly sure how, but it might've been the strand where we are too late to help.

[amber terrace]

Question: what’s with the Indifference’s thing with hands? Like most of the murmur enemies have some form of emphasis on hands

[frail nymph]

And the AlbrechtWally that says we're too late might be the one who's hanging out with the OperatorWally.

[supple dagger]

I assume it has something to do with the Wall of Bone

[frail nymph]

Something to do with shaking hands on a deal, perhaps. It is the first thing he's done to everyone he saw... The princess in the glass castle, Albrecht, Operator...

[amber terrace]

Princess in the glass castle?

[frail nymph]

It's a story from the Zariman ARG about a princess that can see alternate timelines in glass mirrors in her castle. She finds her friend dead and looks in the glass shard in his hand or something. She sees Wally.

[supple dagger]

@frail nymph there’s a ton of lore fragments, similar to the Duviri ones, that are basically short narrations given by Albrecht about what he did after the events of him going into the Void. Its really interesting and worth the grind, whenever you have time

[thick jolt]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zariman_ARG/Transcript

[frail nymph]

Wait so did... Did Albrecht return from Duviri before going into the coffin teleporter thing? Or was Duviri Albrecht Drifter's Albrecht?

[supple dagger]

Its explains in said lore fragments if you want to avoid spoilers

[frail nymph]

Oh cool

[supple dagger]

I have videos of all of them incase you want to hear them rn if you know you won’t have the time to gather them yourself

[frail nymph]

Pls send me a link on DMs so I don't forget

[supple dagger]

Alrighty

[rain otter]

they are both dying to void covid though

lmao.

[supple dagger]

Nahh they’ll be fineeeee

[amber terrace]

What’re the expected Grotesque Splinter drops for a Steel Path Gargoyle mission?

[wild wind]

4ish

[real niche]

4-6

[wild wind]

3-5 I read

[rain otter]

4 mostly yeah.

[prime lantern]

Friend where have you been it's been eons

[supple dagger]

He’s a busy man

[tulip thunder]

I'm so confused about the ending of the Whisper in the Wall quest

[wild wind]

How so?

[tulip thunder]

So like is the villain just actually Albercht?

[obtuse gyro]

Not really

Two schools of thought:

1. thats a wally clone of albrecht
2. thats possessed albrecht who has lived from 1999 to the future

In both, the villain is still wally

[tulip thunder]

Wally is a nickname for the man in the wall?

[obtuse gyro]

Yes

[tulip thunder]

Oh ok

Will 1999 be it's own game or something?

[wild copper]

no, just story continuation

[tulip thunder]

Because I really hope so, but I don't want it to be a reskin of warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Its the next major update for warframe, its not a separate game

[wild copper]

void shenanigans + time travel = warframe 1999

[wild wind]

That, basically

[tulip thunder]

Daaaaamn

Hopefully it's as long as New War or something

[graceful zodiac]

That's unlikely

[tulip thunder]

Because damn I like 1999's style

[graceful zodiac]

New War was the culmination of 5+ years of story and finishing up the whole Lotus arc

[tulip thunder]

I just it to be pretty dang long and not just a quick little story

[wild wind]

1999 probably isn't the climax of this arc the way New War was

[prime lantern]

Collected all the bird lines I think I care about

[wild wind]

Since this arc just started with Whispers, heh

[obtuse gyro]

1999 is like the War Within of this arc

[tulip thunder]

1999 should be like a first person cyberpunk esque game if it ever became a game in it's own

[wild wind]

DE hasn't made an FPS since Unreal Tournament though

[prime lantern]

Definitely all the lines I need

[wild wind]

More The Second Dream to Whispers' Natah

[tulip thunder]

True, but dang idk why I can see it play out like that cool new Robocop game

[prime lantern]

I'll edit out the bits of me just walking back and forth

And post em here

[wild wind]

Also if DE ever does cyberpunk it'll be another Corpus open world, in the Corpus capital city on Pluto.

[tulip thunder]

I'd cry, that'd be so midddd

[prime lantern]

I can post this no edits

[tulip thunder]

Like a cyberpunk that's in what we saw of 1999

[prime lantern]

Wonder what makes bird find fingers odd

[graceful zodiac]

That wouldn't really be cyberpunk then

[wild wind]

What we saw of 1999 is just Y2K with the Infestation

Which is kinda the point.

It's not actually cyberpunk at all, just 90s urban combat.

[tulip thunder]

Idk like a mix of the technologies between the two would be cool, big bright and flash, but still looking dated like the ingame technology from Alien Isolation

[prime lantern]

Xbox is taking eons to upload my clips

[rain otter]

I mean have you seen fingers?

I can't say the New Vegas Qoute that would probably be tos.

[quartz obsidian]

Question:

Will the collected Curses from the Operation despawn out of inventory after week reset??
Only read something about that they disappear when the statue is not fully fed...

[rain otter]

when he says the green thing he means teh jungle btw. I have seen these before but i really like the left one cuz I just imagine like the MITW trying desperately to corrupt Bird 3 and then him hearing "shut up words" just very funny.

[muted lotus]

bird 3 has the right idea

[vast delta]

either its wally or hes just schizophrenic

[dry dome]

Bird 3 is the smart one

[viscid quarry]

Atleast it would be a city this time finally a proper form of genocide

[nova harness]

Had a dream last night where Drifters amp is the first amp you get and you had to do a amp challenge that was inverted thing that teaches it to you in that place where you collect Duviri resources and there was a train and I said getting this amp first doesn’t happen and it’s not the first amp then someone said it’s not the best amp but it is the first

[cinder steppe]

Talking animals who talk like animals is such a silly and child friendly concept and this game made it dark and depressing.

But not in a Bojack Horseman kind of way but more in a "it's dark and depressing BECAUSE they can talk."

It's really well done and I love it

[eternal oyster]

There is still one thing I don't understand.

Why is Albrecht shown as a blue skinned orokin in statues and portraits but in the beginning of whispers in the wall and the 1999 introduction he is completely normal.

My only explanation is that the Orokin couldn't withstand someone as important as Albrecht not being like the others from the upper cast. At least they had the courtesy of depicting hid hands the normal way.

I also didn't mention the vitruvian entries from his journal as they are almost monochrome so it has the benefit of doubt

But there must be some more concrete explanation than just something I thought of on a whim while scouring through wiki articles

[nova harness]

He’s blending in with 1999

Or Orokin being blue is just using the kit that we use and he decided not to use it

[prime lantern]

I believe both are regarding wally

[cinder steppe]

If he wants to blend in, then why the void get golden nails and all the gold plating all over his outfit

[prime lantern]

No one expects the most obvious time traveler to be a time traveler

[nova harness]

He’s still Orokin and Orokin like gold

Orokin literally means Gold Gold

[cinder steppe]

Yeah but doesn't all the gold actually make him stand out

[prime lantern]

Also considering the nature of his experiments I doubt he's out and about much

[nova harness]

Not really just makes him look rich like he is

[cinder steppe]

Especially since that guy has a gold plated cat the size of a freaking lion

[nova harness]

There’s nothing saying there was no Orokin in 1999

We have no idea when it started

[cinder steppe]

Well in 1999

[nova harness]

If I was alive in 1999 and I saw a guy wearing what he was wearing I’d just thing he’s crazy and likes gold

It’s the cat I’d find weird

[cinder steppe]

Yeah like back in 1999 he would just appear as a filthy rich man. But his giant exotic cat that we have never seen before on our planet would certainly draw attention.

[austere relic]

I do not think he would have Kalymos with him, at the very least, without a disguise.

[wicked iron]

But why didn't the 1999 computers in a seemingly English speaking country not use English...

[nova harness]

He bought them from another country

Or parts of the country speak English while other parts don’t

[ripe tinsel]

so does fighting the fragmented one yield any more curses?

we tried doing so just now and the run broke thanks to a softlock and a cascading infinite light point

[coral grotto]

He’s a JoJo character

[coral grotto]

Maybe the Infestation is assimilating the tech

[graceful zodiac]

He's definitely not normal in 1999, he's still got his pale skin and almost white eyes. The only thing he changed was clothes and hair

[steady gate]

2 of each curse.

[agile oasis]

quick question, what are we supposed to do once we have completed that : ?

[nova harness]

There’s a store

[agile oasis]

I bought everything in it but I'm still unable to buy the signa

[woven bramble]

You are lucky you know,moon clans require more curses than that

[agile oasis]

but moon clan have more people to farm them

[woven bramble]

But not all of them have all the seats occupied

[craggy solstice]

Wait until it refreshes.

[wicked iron]

Loid knows of the Old War and of Archons... Why didn't he know who the Tenno were, I wonder?

The Entrati family seemed to have prior knowledge of us.

[prime lantern]

Perhaps it was need to know information

And he didn't need to know

[nova harness]

You can know of a War and not have seen it

[wicked iron]

He seems to have firsthand knowledge of Archon Shards and all, though.

[nova harness]

He probably talked to the all knowing fish

That fish knows everything

[prime lantern]

Perhaps albretch had some kind of prediction engine

Loid saw some but not everything

[nova harness]

He still thought there was a War

Wonder which War he throught was still going on

[brave osprey]

The old old war

[wicked iron]

He mentioned the Old War, specifically.

And Archons.

[brave osprey]

So the one with sentients, so not old old war, ok

[prime lantern]

There is no old old war

[wicked iron]

Wot

[prime lantern]

Oh well rad

Forgot the rad wars

Wonder if de will ever tell us more

[wicked iron]

1999 might tie into that.

[rain otter]

What does this mean? Define your terms.

[prime lantern]

I assume old old war means radiation wars

[brave osprey]

We got the first one with Sentients without Warframes, the Old Old war I call it, between the disappearance and return of the zariman where the Orokin were stuck with just necramechs to fight sentients

[prime lantern]

That was the exact same war

[wicked iron]

The Old War lasted a long time.

[brave osprey]

I separated them due to the tenno presence so my bad

[rain otter]

What that never happened? The Zariman was before

The Sentients ever appeared.

[prime lantern]

No

[wicked iron]

Doc means before we were present and fighting.

[prime lantern]

Zariman returned during the war

Kullevero saw it

[rain otter]

Maybe but Docteph said disappearance.

[rain otter]

Also the Necramechs never really saw Battle at all

They where just a thing made by father during the old war.

[wicked iron]

Albrecht's Necramech variety is so weak compared to Father's.

[rain otter]

I think in the enemy notes it says father made it them for Albretch.

Also the Grinner where used as a Soilders seemingly before the Tenno appeared. Cuz the grinner worker killed a Sentient war then the Orokin used him to make Grinner Soilders.

[woven bramble]

After you reach rank 3 with the new syndicate you get told that the fish is actually responsible for the rest of the animals being exposed to the void and the fish wasn't even part of the group of bird 3,talfpgar and minn

[rain otter]

Well no not exactly

They will have all died if The Fish didn't do that.

Like all the other animals.

[woven bramble]

He broke the bell and minn got yeeted

[rain otter]

But they already got exposed the Void literally gave them consciousness to like talk to them like I don't think it had good intentions for them.

Also the Void was in the bell with them at the moment. So they where already exposed it was literally in the bell with them.

[wild wind]

It's even better and more complicated than that

Albrecht was sending animals into the Void as a way of assassinating Wally

[rain otter]

Also like I said every other group of animals was killed.

[rain otter]

Wait do we know that?

[wild wind]

Yup it's in the Cavia logs

He thought that Wally took the form of whatever thing last stepped into the Void

[rain otter]

Gotcha.

[wild wind]

Then he thought that it would take the form of something that interested it

Like the near-extinct species and rare animals he sent in as the last batch of guinea pigs

[graceful zodiac]

They certainly did. It's the point Father made during Heart, Necramechs were the infantry before we were. They were just too dumb

[wicked iron]

He called them the first wave, I believe it was.

[wild wind]

The Cavia we have?

[nova harness]

Look, you were the second wave, kid. The Necramechs were Void-shielded, Sentient-pulse immune... as bright as a bag of hammers and just as dependable. Not like you.

[amber terrace]

Awww man, right when I thought Fibonacci was starting to be nice(Event spoilers)

[rain otter]

He is though. He just doesn't want the rest of the like people in the hub to know or Bird to go crazy after seeing the angles.

[wild wind]

Welllll in this case he's trying to hide that he screwed up more than anything else lol

[viscid quarry]

If only Fibonacci had some decency

[wild wind]

I mean if he wasn't like this he wouldn't be bribing us with eidolon arcanes

Also his early lines are way funnier than his ashamed lines, so.

[viscid quarry]

Fair

Still why didn’t we get a decent Fibonacci or idk maybe make tagfer the expert on thi- no wait he’s depressed but bird 3 is maybe insane enough to do so

[nova harness]

Bird 3 didn’t even get enough respect to have a name

[viscid quarry]

It’s a shame

And the fish gets a name but bird 3 doesn’t

[prime lantern]

I think it's rather beautiful

Wally wants everything bird 3 has and bird wants to get it rid of it

A name is pointless for bird 3

He doesn't like being human

[viscid quarry]

We simply see that Wally is coping and seething (ok that was horrible but somehow kinda true for how he simply isn’t unique compared to bird 3)

[wild wind]

Fibonacci named himself is why.

Bird 3 could rename himself, if he wanted.

[viscid quarry]

Ah

Fair enough

[rain otter]

Names like have always mattered a whole lot in warframe.

it's a cool repeated theme.

[atomic lynx]

See: Dagath

[rain otter]

just like the repeating theme of like family is who you choose to be your family.\

even before Dagath.

[nova harness]

Where’s bird 1 and 2

[rain otter]

dead.

[atomic lynx]

You said repeated, I’m just pointing out the prime example

[rain otter]

gotcha.

[prime lantern]

A name is power

And to wally a name of his own volition is everything

[viscid quarry]

God knows what a wholly unique Wally would be like

[prime lantern]

He'd be free of existing concepts

"Crew a color you have never seen imagine it"

That is what he wants to be

[nova harness]

Wasn’t it describe it

[prime lantern]

No

That's "paradox. You behold an absence describe it"

Wally can't have his plans fully realized which is the ironic part

He fundamentally can not truly know his own endgoal

Because from what we can tell his endgoal is to make himself something that has never been thought

And if it hasn't been thought then he can't think it

[nova harness]

I heard Cy has some new lines

[prime lantern]

I haven't

[viscid quarry]

That should be tragic but he’s a glorified eldritch god so any optimism is gone

[tall shoal]

I figure something happened to them similar to Minn (they died)

Why'd they kill Minn and make Tagfer sad btw, like there's something overall wrong with that that I will never forgive the de for

[wild wind]

Have you listened to the new Albrecht codex entries

It explains a lot about what was actually going on there.

[tall shoal]

Nope, I should tho, haven't had time

[wild wind]

The really short version: Albrecht's just another Ballas

[prime lantern]

Depending on where this goes hell be significantly less for evil

[tall shoal]

Oh figured, dude made my little Tagfer depressed, AND NOW THERES NO MINI TAGFERS OR MINI MINNS

[prime lantern]

And more an honest demon

[balmy storm]

Typical orokin smh

[nova harness]

Albrecht told us to be on time tho he was very late showing up

He even had to have someone else to tell him the time

[wild wind]

Like, the difference between Albrecht and Ballas is that Albrecht is trying to do something that's a net positive for humanity and physical reality

[nova harness]

Like working with the Devil?

Very bad

[wild wind]

But their methods come from the exact same place

They're both egocentric control freaks obsessed with their grand works

They're frequently crueler to their allies than their enemies

[nova harness]

How come Loid didn’t like us finally showing up

[wild wind]

He did, he just wished that Albrecht had been around or responsible for sending us

The fact that Albrecht remained gone tainted everything for Loid until he listened to Albrecht's farewell

[nova harness]

Who was actually responsible for setting off the sequence

[wild wind]

NecraLoid

Based on an internal checklist of prerequisites he himself wasn't aware of

Hence the whole "I'm having dreams" -> "they're memories" -> "name dropping Kalymos Sequence which starts the process"

[nova harness]

I wish we knew who was writing the universe logs

[wild wind]

To the best of our knowledge there isn't an author

They're automatically generated, like a news aggregator

[nova harness]

I was thinking it was going to be the Cavia but as much as the Gargoyle says he sees everything it’s pretty hard to write as an animal

[wild wind]

Voice to text

[nova harness]

He didn’t have a voice till we showed up tho

[wild wind]

problem is that they were asleep, and also couldn't write in English until the Jahu Gargoyle was applied to force them to speak himan

yeah

[nova harness]

There’s only 2 other characters I could think of who could be writing it

Wally or Unum

[wild wind]

neither one would have access to the lab

[nova harness]

Yeah

[wild wind]

the entire point is keeping Wally out

And if Albrecht was working with the Unum it would have come up here

[nova harness]

It’s probably just a magic computer

[wild wind]

I have every expectation we'll get an Unum/Ostron expansion with this arc, but the logs are probably some automated system

[nova harness]

Maybe a Void powered computer that sees everything

[wild wind]

That's what the Vitreaum is, yeah

It's literally a giant eyeball

[ionic glen]

can some one help me get the cross save to work or tall me what im doing rong???

[wild wind]

definitely the wrong chat for this dude

[velvet wing]

Did you purchase the founders pack before November 1st 2013 or do you have a PC account that has purchased Prime Access?

[ionic glen]

no

xbox

[flat shadow]

You are not eligible for Cross Save yet.

[strange moon]

Why is Fibonacci asking me to eat something?

"Take it. It's yummy!"

[wild wind]

He's having a good time as you fight Murmur

[rain otter]

YOU AIN'T GOT NO MEAT ON YOU'RE BONES

You eat something your too hungerpan.

[strange moon]

Sometimes everything Fibonacci says feels like a fever dream

[nova harness]

Fibonacci is the true lidless eye

He doesn’t hand eye lids as he loves to keep bringing up

[amber terrace]

I found this goofy goober while looking for book demons to kill

[amber terrace]

Entry n on bizarre stuff Fibonacci says

[pine mason]

nice pager lol

i think someone dropped it while looking over the endless infinity.

i wonder whats on the little screen

[wild wind]

his tamagochi

[pine mason]

His Minn Tamagochi XD

[ruby parrot]

So with the Gargoyle statue, does it reset every so often? or is there a way to upgrade it so I can deposit more curses?

[wild wind]

every week

[ruby parrot]

Gotcha, so no way to upmy clan past 'terracotta' till next week?

[wild wind]

yup

[worldly gorge]

not sure if this is considered as spoiler q but, what arcane is good for hate incarnon?

[rain otter]

Probably animosity.

And like this exlius.

The duplication arcane probably also good.

[wild wind]

only if you're not running Blood Rush

melee duplicate can be super powerful but stops working with orange or red crits

[eternal fox]

having this sheet, makes me wanna reset the mission

[frozen stump]

me whenever Im out in public

[strange moon]

That's it. I want recording of every single Fibonacci quote.

[ocean void]

me using Inaros

[vast delta]

not a problem if everything is dead

[eternal fox]

I run solo

[vast delta]

still not a problem if everything is dead

[vague veldt]

Bird 3 is looking a bit weird today.

[wild wind]

Big Bird 3

[lyric onyx]

found this stuff while chilling out of bounds of necralisk/ sanctum anatomica. i wonder if the voidtongue symbols in the sky vortex has anything to do with lore or its just a design choice

[wild wind]

I think it's mostly just vibes

Like it's important that it's there as a way of showing the breakdown of reality, but it's not important-important

[vague veldt]

Its cool that at rank 5 with the Cavia we get to color them because now I can finally make Tagfer look like the living turd that it is. Just gotta find some good brown colors.

[wild wind]

lmao r5's the point where he's finally tolerable though

[lyric onyx]

true, this is prob my fav affect showing that

[wild wind]

God I love spooky skyboxes

I wonder if any other regions are going to get something like this

[lyric onyx]

i just love how it splits between the void and the inside of mars moon, also they really hollowed out the moon here. am surprised it ain't in pieces at this point lmao

btw this is how am getting out of the map boundaries if anyone wanna explore on they're own time

[scarlet basalt]

Oh
So rank 5 loid isn't sure that Kallymos is even the real one
Make sense ngl

[nova harness]

I like how Tagfer roasts the fish

[obtuse gyro]

Wydm isnt the real one, theyre all real

Would you say the holdfasts arent real either?

[nova harness]

There’s many versions of many characters

[scarlet basalt]

Loid is not really sure about that,i said :

I wondered if he simply cloned her, and the original had died. if he did, he never gave any sign of it . So far as albretch was concerned, kalymos is kalymos
and tbf it's weird because kallymos seems to be on the same level of void sickness as the cavia given their blue eyes
So it's weird that kalymos is somehow still alive then and now she is "better"
Kalymos fell sick [...] Albretch took kalymos, out of our sight. He told us she was recovering, and mustn't be disturbed.
And one bright morning, Kalymos came running up to greet us, All better.

[obtuse gyro]

The problem is that what part of this indicates that she is not real

[scarlet basalt]

"the real one" i meant the real Kalymos 😭
Like the original kalymos

[obtuse gyro]

Okay and based on the text albrecht gave no sign of it

[scarlet basalt]

the one that you get on the whispers boss ?

Kalymos seems to be the next enigmatic being, sounds like another manmade horror beyond our comprehension is going to be here 😭

IIRC Teshin tell us that "the void can heal" ? I guess it may not be far fetched that it healed kalymos ?

[vivid quiver]

I need that cat

[nova harness]

The void can heal as well as harm

[wild wind]

Loid's thought process there is actually guiding you to the conclusion that Albrecht saves Kalymos the same way the Cavia were saved

Ie that cat ||died but came back||

[scarlet basalt]

yep likely albretch has done that
Which make him more terrifying

[vivid quiver]

But...why didn't Minn live then

[wild wind]

She got dumped into the Void directly and disappeared.

Sadly that's still better than what would have happened if she hadn't been thrown out of the bell.

[scarlet basalt]

But if the void can heal, there's a chance that she is somehow still alive

[jagged sable]

there could may be a chance she's in the year 1999.

[empty dove]

Does reaching max rank with the cavia grant you access to the weird two corridors outside of the hub?

[viscid quarry]

The what

[nova harness]

The ones that are underneath?

[amber terrace]

So what’s the difference/relation between Albrecht’s Alchemy and Javi’s(Lavos Leverian) Alchemy?

[nova harness]

They both used the elements

[viscid quarry]

One we can actually see the other we can’t but I assume they wanted different results

[prime lantern]

Javi wished for alchemy to uplift the poor

Albrecht wishes to use alchemy for something else

[nova harness]

How does Alchemy uplift the poor?

[amber terrace]

Probably by making precious materials? Kinda how OG alchemy was centered around making anything into gold?

[rain otter]

Cuz anything can be come something else

The Orokin don't want random low class people to think lead can turn to gold and teach regular people that.

Cus seemingly that's why he was imprisoned cuz he was not a a Orokin and he was teaching non orokins.

[amber terrace]

7,000 standing left and a maxed out daily standing

[balmy storm]

If you knew how to make gold or anything else easily you’d be uplifted too

[low badger]

Nope, doesn't seem to by any new accessible areas, nothing on the computer that I could find... the 2 staircases and the 2 'Finger Holes' still remain inaccessible.

Has the Text Team decoded what the phone/pager says?

[supple dagger]

Someone decoded it and posted their results here a while back. It said something along the lines of “December 31” iirc

[empty dove]

If i remembered correctly, “31 December 1999” and then “Appointment”

[wild wind]

Weird question but is there a Qorvex prex in the Sanctum

[amber terrace]

Nope

If there was, it would show up in the prex section of the fragment browser in your orbiter

[wild wind]

Very fair. Guess it'll be a Baro thing eventually then

[thick jolt]

@wild wind @amber terrace there could be a qorvex prex actually not all prexes show in the codex

[rain otter]

I think we had prex added in echoes.

So Maybe then.

[strange moon]

"Fresh serum. Take it. It's yummy!"

[supple dagger]

Bruh

[rain otter]

I would have been like 5k or something away today but since I wasn't gonna make it to max I got a Qorvex part cuz I'm still gonna get to max Tommorrow either way.

[supple dagger]

I should do that too

[high cypress]

The only reason i wanna go R5 with them is to find out abt the ending

[nova harness]

What do you think the void would do to a person with no emotions?

[dry dome]

I will hit rank 5 today, I am really looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

[supple dagger]

Color thee emotions in

[frail nymph]

Wally has always been stuck within timelines, right? (Strands of Khra)

Finger being cut was one of the first things that happened with him. So perhaps the objective is to make sure he never has it back

That might explain why a seemingly omnipotent being that can connect timelines seems so reserved in his actions, only spawning enemies/powers and speaking to people occasionally. He can't break the rules of causality as long as he's stuck within the strands.

[supple dagger]

Same

[supple dagger]

I could imagine Wally in the future throwing a full scale assault at Duviri so that he can reach the reliquary drive on the Zariman if he really wants his finger back that badly

[obtuse gyro]

its not the original finger tho

[prime lantern]

I'd say wally can defy causality in a more simple way than what we can

Instead of blatant disregard for what should happen

Hes Making the effect come before a cause

And atleast with a physical catalyst defy it entirely

Or perhaps he could skew fate make events that will happen in the future happen now

[supple dagger]

Then why do Void Angels want the finger?

[prime lantern]

It's alot of void juices

Possibly the notion of a real finger is wrong

Well original

What if they need them all each new duplicate of the finger

Based on what we can tell about wally his power would be best described as uncountably infinite

Think of every number between 0 and 1

And remember that there's an infinite amount after that

So even if each duplictation of the finger loses power to us that's nothing

Just smaller infinity but perhaps to wally its everything

[cinder steppe]

Wish they addressed Otak a bit with this update. Especially since during the pre Tennocon Nightwave transmissions, Necraloid said that he lost Otak which seems pretty significant for something that you cannot find anywhere in the game

[wild wind]

It's just that Otak was sleeping whenever Necraloid dreamed/hidden precepts fired

I'm kinda disappointed there wasn't more interaction between the Loids

[nova harness]

Loid really doesn’t like Loid

[rain otter]

Seemingly both ways.

[dry dome]

https://tenor.com/view/sleektub6969-gif-25391634

Live footage of my emotions

[supple dagger]

Lol

Im just farming for melee arcanes in the meantime until standing resets

[amber terrace]

I’m hitting R5 with the Cavia today at 6:00 PM CST and I’m pumped, this is one of the few things in Warframe that I mostly managed to avoid spoilers for

[nova harness]

Because not many have got to Whispers let alone R5

You do need 90% of quests

[eternal kettle]

Going to loid in the necraloid chamber reveals Otak is back (he also has many new lines of dialogue)

[cinder steppe]

He does? I didn't hear any new dialog all the times I checked? Or do they come random?

[supple dagger]

So Loid basically made Otak go to sleep so that he could talk to us about the Kalymos Sequence?

[wild wind]

Loid didn't, but yes

[rain otter]

No the Kaylmos sequence made it happen.

But yes otherwise.

[supple dagger]

Ohh ok

[nova harness]

Can Cephalons sleep normally?

[rain otter]

They can't sleep they can seemingly rest.

[amber terrace]

Hmm… I recently listened to Albrecht’s notes, which I had finished acquiring yesterday, and something I noticed is that with Albrecht, there is a notion of ending as one began

[livid portal]

Notes??

[amber terrace]

The codex fragments you get from killing the Whisper enemies, the ones that you can spawn by interacting with a special book

[livid portal]

Where do you see them?

[supple dagger]

In the codex and in fragments

Its similar to the Duviri fragments except you get them from killing a mini boss

[nova harness]

He loves that quote

[livid portal]

What section at the top?

[supple dagger]

Universe>Fragments>Last Tab

[livid portal]

Last one for me is duviri

[nova harness]

Believe you can only see it if you collect a fragment

[supple dagger]

Yea you need to get the fragments from the mini boss to unlock them

[nova harness]

The tab doesn’t actually show until you have a fragment

[livid portal]

I swear I have gotten a couple

[supple dagger]

Well they’re pretty easy to get. Just fight the book mini boss and pray to RNGESUS to not bs you

[livid portal]

I have done that mini boss a couple of times

[supple dagger]

They aren’t always guaranteed if you beat them

[livid portal]

That makes sense lol

[nova harness]

I’ve only got 1 and have done it a few times

[amber terrace]

In the Void tongue poem in the requiem mods, that was presumably written by Albrecht, it’s final words are “We End As We Began.”, “Albrecht’s” dialogue in the final cutscene of the Whispers In The Walls quest is “Yet still, WE END AS WE BEGAN.”, the final line of dialogue from Albrecht’s Notes codex fragments says “The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.” Am I looking in too deeply in this quote? Could it be a notion of where DE could be taking the story?

[supple dagger]

We still don’t really know how he created/discovered the requiems so idk

[nova harness]

He didn’t create them

The finger taught him

Remember who’s finger it was

Remember his language

It’s all requiem

[amber terrace]

I will concede that Albrecht probably discovered what the void tongue words meant and that their meaning is outside of human comprehension, I was referring to the poem that can be created when you line up the flavor text of the Requiem mods. Albrecht recites this poem in the Lohk vitruvian entry in the Necraloid room before you descend into the lab

[supple dagger]

I heard a few theories that say its a prophecy

[prime lantern]

Maybe

[nova harness]

To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began

[amber terrace]

Yeah, that one. It’s the flavor text of Khra

[nova harness]

Swear he says them in reverse in the poem

[amber terrace]

He doesn’t (not hostile). I’d have to listen to it again with the requiem mods line up, I am 100% certain that Khra is the final requiem entry in the poem

[nova harness]

Lohk is the final

Lohk Void