spoiler-chat

[flint garden]

If they could , why didn't they go together to free cetus

[fading turret]

I thought of that at first as being that they couldn't both just go at once because it would mess with Transference.

But now I've discussed about it it is definitely more likely to be them switching positions between each multiversal point

Another question I have - why does the Drifter get confused when he takes control of a Warframe in New War? Doesn't he do that in Duviri?

Or does it 'feel different' outside of Duviri?

Like he says it's 'weird' or something like that when he uses Transference to control a Warframe if you select him in New War. But he already uses Transference, and on more than just Warframes - the Maw, the Orowyrm...

[nova harness]

Maybe he just hadn’t used one for a long time

[fading turret]

That actually does make sense

[balmy badger]

The only reason they were even able to be in the same place to that extent was because they were in the Void, where spacetime basically doesn't apply in that context.

[fading turret]

He does tell Ordis that he hasn't gained his Void powers yet

So perhaps after he got them (back?) it's just a bit different to what he's used to in Duviri

[fading turret]

The Zariman is also literally bridging the gap between Duviri and Origin system too, isn't it?

[balmy badger]

Well, in that scene, the Zariman was still in the Void.

[fading turret]

Aye

[balmy badger]

The state it's in now doesn't allow them to co-exist when onboard it.

[nova harness]

Actually something I just thought of was he knew how to but with a Lotus hand and not with void powers or maybe the void powers were doing magic in his system

[fading turret]

How would Lotus' hand give him void powers and transference though?

Are Sentients able to do transference of a sort?

Like in a way that doesn't use the Void?

Oh it might have something to do with their ability to graft themselves onto other organisms

Like Amalgams and Archons

Oh hang on I remember the Warframe moves when the Drifter actually commands it to

Lemme go check a video

[obtuse gyro]

Think of it as less of a sentient ability and more of what happens when you have a void infused hand of someone who has access to warframe systems

[fading turret]

Aye

That made me think back to Second Dream when the Warframe breaks War

Was that the Lotus doing it to protect the Operator?

[obtuse gyro]

Unlikely

[nova harness]

Lotus hand went into the Void then hand gained new powers

[fading turret]

I used to think the Warframe just decided to do that by itself

[obtuse gyro]

It could be still

That moment is unexplained

[fading turret]

Or maybe... the Drifter did it, from Duviri?
Though that's a colossal stretch considering Second Dream predates Duviri by several years

[obtuse gyro]

It could be the warframe responding to the tenno's distress, or the tenno's panic allowed for minute remote transference that allows the frame to snap war

[fading turret]

Mm

I wish we could have gotten confirmation

[nova harness]

Warframes do have a mind still so it was probably a panic must protect

Can a Warframe die?

[balmy badger]

Yes, but it takes a lot.

[nova harness]

So Stalkers Sword wouldn’t have been enough?

[balmy badger]

Parvos talked about nuking a few Warframe's in a lab explosion.

[fading turret]

I've only recently started realising that myself but it's tough to get rid of my original understanding that they're effectively brain-dead organisms. Alive, but absent. No consciousness of their own.

But now knowing what the Orokin are like I wouldn't be surprised if it was true that all had their own minds, and Warframes like Yareli and Revenant were not controlled by Tenno and just doing their own thing.

[obtuse gyro]

Very much so?

[fading turret]

Like, Ballas made Umbra. He forcefully turned the guy into a Warframe, made him kill his son, and kept his memory and consciousness intact.

[fading turret]

We do see dead Warframes. Kahl takes a Corinth Prime off a dead Rhino in New War. And the Archons are made of dead Prime Warframes.

[obtuse gyro]

Yareli was most likely under tenno control, revenant on the other hand likely had no control due to his newly formed stated and eons of being disconnected

[fading turret]

Wanna know something I learned?

Where do we get the bodies from that become Warframes?

Warframe Cryopods.
Defence Missions
There's a dude in there

We turn them into Warframes.

[nova harness]

When a Warframe dies what happens to the Operator

[fading turret]

Now my question is why tf do we put Cryopods on enemy turf lmfao

[nova harness]

They probably steal it

[fading turret]

I think the Operator is fine, unless they Transference into the field and get themselves killed.
Before War Within, we're chilling in the somatic link pod in the back of the Orbiter, and before Second Dream we're in Lua.

[nova harness]

So that Rhino that died still has an Operator somewhere

[fading turret]

Now it's possible that the Warframe pretty much is your body before Second Dream considering you don't canonically control multiple Warframes by then. And Operator says he lost his Warframe in War Within and wants to get it back (in the forced dream of course)

Whether that means WW Oppo has only the one Warframe or just doesn't want to lose it idk but come New War, Drifter asks if you've got your Warframes back, plural.

So between WW and NW, we learn how to have and control multiple Warframes.

[obtuse gyro]

eh, thats not accurate

the ability to control different frames is a known thing before TSD even came out

thanks to zanuka

[fading turret]

There's a lot of stress put on the fact that "you" are at risk of dying if the device explodes in your Warframe

Tho it could just be outdated writing, that suggests that at some point you are your Warframe.

[obtuse gyro]

that is separate from the idea that you can control a different frame

at the point of the Awakening, you dont have another frame to swap to, the fact that the ascaris negator can blow you up doesnt mean you cant swap frames cannonically before TSD

[fading turret]

But if an Operator before waking up from their dream can control multiple Warframes, why does Op say they are confused and Lotus say 'this is what you really are'?

More suggesting that an Operator that hasn't woken up even believes they themselves are their Warframe

[obtuse gyro]

because before then you were not given an indication that you are a child?

again, the fact that the zanuka hidden mission exists proves that even before TSD, operators controlling more than one warframe is canon

[fading turret]

Hmmm

Oh I remember. You need to pick the lost one to get it back but can pick others you have.

Alright

[obtuse gyro]

additionally

In Vor's Prize Vor suggests a Tenno Warframe split, something that new players understandably dont understand till TSD

[fading turret]

Oh aye

[fading turret]

So is that soul/life-force kiss of death thing just something Lotus can do, whenever? Or was it more to do with the Archon Shard being in Ballas' being, that removing it forcefully killed him?

[steady gate]

Probably the latter.

[near rune]

Hm. The new lore summary text files reiterate that Stalker is a Low Guardian, not a Tenno. It also re-confirms that Alad V is Corpus, not Orokin, which, y'know, I think most of us understood that Hunhow was just confused on that point.

The text files also expound on Ballas' intentions during The New War: "The Tenno’s personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force."

[frozen stump]

well, the corpus are from the orokin era, and did do deals with the orokin. Its possible that hunhow sees no difference between the corpus and orokin. they both destroy enviroments they encounter, and therefore in the sentients eyes, should be destroyed.

[near rune]

Yeah, that was my assumption and I think the common assumption, was that Hunhow was just lumping Orokin and Corpus together. It's understandable from an in-universe perspective but was confusing for players who didn't pay that much attention to the lore. I've heard people who think that Alad V was actually alive back in Orokin times.

[tame seal]

I think it's more the way he's voiced, it sounds really personal for Alad V

He kinda did too good of a job on that

[prime lantern]

Screen shot?

[prime lantern]

And the stalker one?

Also where were thse posted or did I miss them on the dev stream?

[near rune]

They're live on the Warframe website

It's all there

Except Drifter.txt, the link is broken.

The way the text files are laid out, each one is clearly supposed to appear after you complete a main story quest, and some will update. Like Ballas.txt will probably show up after The Sacrifice, and get updated during and after The New War.

That's my assumption based on how they're written.

[wicked iron]

Where on the site is this? 😮

[near rune]

https://www.warframe.com/news/operator-report

[wicked iron]

Thanks! 😄

[supple dagger]

Ohh I thought they were going to come out with Whispers

[near rune]

same!

It's hard to find because the Warframe website is still borked

[prime lantern]

Orokin text?

[near rune]

It's the same weird text we saw in the TennoCon demo. I think someone is working on a translation.

[prime lantern]

Is a movie based on the book by Steven King called "IT"

[near rune]

sometimes I hit enter too fast

[prime lantern]

Lol

Uh the website is being weird

How do I access the files

Nvm

[supple dagger]

I wonder if thats on purpose…

[prime lantern]

Oh booooooo "the chosen one"

[near rune]

I actually don't think it is. If you hover over the link the address is there but it's a working URL that's like "dev.warframe.com". I think they just forgot to make the link public. If it was intentional I don't think there would be a link at all.

[prime lantern]

Fair

[supple dagger]

Hopefully they fix it soon. And also this line “‘The Man in the Wall’ is identical with the entity known to us as ‘The Indifference’.” is really interesting

[prime lantern]

That's something yea

[prime lantern]

Parahuman is an interesting description

[supple dagger]

Maybe Arthur and Aoi also have parahuman abilities

[obtuse gyro]

THEYRE LIVE???

WONDERFUL

[obtuse gyro]

https://imgur.com/a/HQdNVZ7

[obtuse gyro]

dhuh (the) awpehreitaeg (operating) seastum (system) kood (could) nat (not) kuhmpleet (complete) dhuh (the) raekoowewstuhd (requested) akshuhn. (action)

Trih (try) uhgean (again) laeter. (later)

[prime lantern]

Wawpeghreitag (operating) kills me

The others make some sense

[obtuse gyro]

work around is to copy the link and then delete "dev" from the link

https://www.warframe.com/news/operator-report-the-drifter

[near rune]

ahhh lol why didn't I think of that

[supple dagger]

Whoever monitored and noted the Operators entire life is the TRUE Stalker smh

[cyan crest]

at least these things confirm the flashbacks in New War are not flashbacks but a time loop

which was actually a pretty popular theory

[obtuse gyro]

that they were flashbacks or that it was a timeloop?

because like the very structure of how those sequences play out... make it really really really tough to think them as flashbacks when the sequence ended

[north trail]

also infested are biomechanical

[obtuse gyro]

um

[obtuse gyro]

biomechanical=/=machine and biological components

biomechanics is the study of how living beings move

[north trail]

well yes but also they have computers lodged in them now

[obtuse gyro]

thats unrelated to biomechanics lmao

and like

its not "now" thats "later" in 1999

its not computers, those are CRT screens

also like infested thanks to salad can infest robotics so like

[coral barn]

Well, the new website seems to confirm that the Stalker is not a Tenno, once again referring to him specifically as a Low Guardian

[cyan crest]

that it was a timeloop
read the ballas section, it says he trapped us in a loop of our own history until we received paradoxical from a third party

i was in the flashback team

[obtuse gyro]

I mean yea, I read the section, but its not news to me

[cyan crest]

nice to be proven wrong ngl

[obtuse gyro]

I was team timeloop

[cyan crest]

also makes the devil thing make more sense
hell is not the void
the zariman is hell
damn i was so dumb

[coral barn]

I'm guessing that the "paradoxical help" would have been the Drifter? Not entirely sure how the Drifter helped us escape. Unless it was Wally who they're referring to?

[cyan crest]

i honestly don’t know

[quiet tapir]

Tenshin is a black person

[obtuse gyro]

Timeloop was broken when Wally merged Drifter and Operator into 1 so like both I guess?

but paradoxical help would be the drifter, since it ties into Duviri where teshin tells drifter he needs to return the favour

[coral barn]

So I guess the implication there is that while the Operator is trapped in the Zariman in the Void, they're able to send some amount of help to the Drifter, which then allows them to escape Duviri?

And then from there, the Drifter helps us by taking care of the Lotus and fighting Narmer.

[obtuse gyro]

not really no

its more of:

Drifter escapes duviri with the help of the tenno who he has not met yet
Tenno escapes Zariman with the help of the drifter who they have not met yet
Tenno escapes Zariman with the help of the drifter who they have not met yet who escapes duviri with the help of the tenno who he has not met yet

So Drifter could not have escaped if it were not for the Tenno who knew to send help
and
the tenno could not have escaped if it were not for the Drifter who knew there was Tenno for him to return the favour

[wide ferry]

I deciphered it independently, can confirm. I added /g/ to the list of consonants with confirmed forms in the Te99obet script. Also we can now be more confident about the exact shapes of /i/ and /u/

[obtuse gyro]

nice thanks

[wide ferry]

Updated key

green letters are letters we have not seen before but I speculated their shape based on existing patterns

[obtuse gyro]

It must be hell for readers in that universe because hot damn imagine having to translate that and read it out in your head

[wide ferry]

Not really, if you're used to it it's probably not that bad

In fact, it's probably easier than the original Orokin Script

[obtuse gyro]

eh the mechanisms for translation go through more layers than necessary

[obtuse gyro]

oh that I can absolutely agree

[wide ferry]

because in Orokin you go in diagonal

[obtuse gyro]

or in some cases ✨ Flower✨

[wide ferry]

by placing the vowels above the letters they're basically doing what's beind done in the supplementary vowel marking systems for the Semitic Abjads

Only difference is that in Arabic and Hebrew you place the vowel markers on the letter that precedes it, and here you place it on the letter that follows it

[obtuse gyro]

whats funky to me is that they use dhuh instead of thuh

[wide ferry]

So for example "Ballas" would be

aa
bls

in Arabic

-aa
bls

in this script

[wide ferry]

because the th in "The" is voiced

[obtuse gyro]

no idea what that means but aight

[wide ferry]

The "th" in the chart refers to /θ/, which is the sound th makes in "thing" and "birth", while "dh" in the chart refers to /ð/, whcih is the sound that th makes in "them" and "brother"

[wide ferry]

Even more updated one. I forgot to add the Punctuation marks in the last one. We already saw Commas/emphasizers in the demo, e.g. when the PC booted up, but now we can confirm what actual commas look like as well.

[obtuse gyro]

so in the case of dhuh vs thuh it was all down to the "uh" behind huh

[still ibex]

Hii I got surprised too with the 'dh' but after pronunciating several times it makes sense, not native english person though

Can be wrong but for me the 'dh' sounds a bit like a 'vh' not sure though

[wide ferry]

I also know some on-native English speakers who struggle with pronouncing the english "th" sounds, and instead of resorting to t/s for "th" and d/z for "dh" they use f and v for some odd reason (e.g. they'd pronounce "my brother told me something" as /mai brover told mi somefing/)

it's called "th-fronting"

[obtuse gyro]

can confirm, am in a country full of native eng speakers and we like to poke fun on the fact that we are very willing to pronounce Three as tree

[amber terrace]

huh... something that's probably already been noticed, on the Operator Report, the "11_Drifter.txt" file in the REDACTED folder doesn't open when clicked on. is this just a skill issue on my part?

[obtuse gyro]

no DE just goofed

[obtuse gyro]

copy link and delete "dev." from the link

[obtuse gyro]

or use this lol @amber terrace

[amber terrace]

Thanks

[nova harness]

What’s this stuff even meant to be for?

[supple dagger]

A clever way for people to recap what’s happened in the story so far

[thick jolt]

Its a story recap and also sets up someone has been watching us and the events of the origin system

Oh and im pretty sure it was mentioned these logs will also be in game when the update launches

[magic summit]

Inb4 we learn we are the stars of a galactic game shiw

[frigid canopy]

This may have been asked already, but when WITW comes out, to access the mission, will we have to figure out all of the requiems around that clock thingy?

Or "unlock" them, I mean

[manic lichen]

We dunno

[frigid canopy]

ah okay, cuz if I have to do that, imma need to hard grind deimos a while lol

[rain otter]

I don't think so. Cuz we can see where they would be when the clock goes away.

[frigid canopy]

let's hope not lol, I'm lvl 4 entrati and lvl 1 necraloids... the grind sucks 😂(it's gotten better from when I first tried to max, but it's still a drag)

[ivory bobcat]

Kinda sad we didn’t get much on Stalker, was hoping we could actually get some more lore for him

[rain otter]

The Normal entrati one isn't bad ans the only reason Necroloid is bad is cuz it kinda sucked to fight against the necramechs. BUT THAT IS changing.

With the new update.

[frigid canopy]

Tbh, necramech fights are fun when u buy the Trumna lol

"What's that? U like having an HP bar? I think not" - Trumna

[rain otter]

It's mostly most weapons didn't work on it. Like with a necramech is it very easy to kill but you used the reward to open the door.

Like the fight needs to he good for the majority of people with the majority of weapons.

It's why the Archon Hunts where changed and now that's a actually fun fight.

[frigid canopy]

They were changed? Last time I did them, they still were painful to go thru
Prolly cuz my teammates were always bad lol

[rain otter]

Yes with Abyss.

[prime lantern]

I still don't really find them fun I can kill the archon in like 3 seconds

[rain otter]

@frigid canopy I've literally killed Nira in like less than a minute with any good weapon. I used a Boltor prime any weapon can chunk them down. They don't get 1 shot but they like I said go do fast with any weapon.

[rain otter]

I like the current ones cus they are a real boss fight that doesn't hate you playing it.

[prime lantern]

With most incarnons you can kill them before attunement sets in

[rain otter]

But I also Angel's and think they are like the best boss fight in the game.

[prime lantern]

The only boss fight I've found enjoyable was ropaylst

[rain otter]

That's not how that works. It doesn't set in it just wants to stop 1 shots.

[rain otter]

That's literally my least favorite fight.

[prime lantern]

Archons have reactive attunement

[rain otter]

That's not how It works though it was literally changed now anything can chunk it it's literally just don't 1 shot it l.

[prime lantern]

With most of my incarnons I can kill them before the calc for reactive attunement has enough time to apply

[rain otter]

You van kill them with anything it's not a time thing.

You're wrong.

I swear I'm the only one that reads patchnotes I wanna die.

[prime lantern]

What are you talking about

[frigid canopy]

oh good, cuz Phenmor or Trumna used to be the ONLY way I was killing one

[prime lantern]

Archons literally have reactive attunement

[rain otter]

You're wrong about how Archons work and what the attunation does.

[prime lantern]

I can kill the archon before the reactive portion of the attunement is applied

[rain otter]

That's not how it works.

[prime lantern]

So you're saying reactive damage attunement isn't a thing

[rain otter]

No I'm saying you don't understand how it works and you didn't read what changed about it.

Like it doesn't "set in"

Also it's not supposed to stop you from killing it fast that was literally changed it was supposed to not stop one shots.

[rain otter]

Yeah that was changed. The phenmore is good against it but you could use any good modded weapon or even a melee if you wanted. I beat one with Baruuks 4 the other day pretty fast.

[prime lantern]

What's the tick rate of warframes servers?

[rain otter]

Do you think things like Armor and DR Care about servers?

Like you can literally play any mission solo and not ping the servers.

Like you could play a Archon hunt solo and disconnect and still be able to play the whole level it just ask for a server response at the end of it.

[prime lantern]

Games run on internal timers which are ticks how many ticks does warframe run at

And reactive attunement does care about ticks because it needs to track time

[near rune]

The patch notes say that Archon damage attenuation formulae have been changed to increase maximum damage per instance and maximum damage per second. It's also been reordered so critical multiplier is taken into account. But there's no mention of the base structure of the formulae being changed. The old formula had reactive damage attenuation and there's no mention of that being removed in Abyss of Dagath.
(for reference: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1368153-abyss-of-dagath-update-34)

[rain otter]

yeah.

[obtuse gyro]

Uh I dont think thats how that works

Playing solo doesnt mean playing offline

[obtuse gyro]

But it is? Its a reactive thing so theres still a moment where its not active when you first strike

[prime lantern]

Also playing offline doesn't remove the existence of ticks

[obtuse gyro]

It absolutely does set in

There are 3 layers to archon damage attenuation

1 is a flat 20% dr
2 is the damage cap which got changed to process multipliers (especially that of incarnon weapons) before the cap instead of after. This is what is used to prevent oneshots However this cap is at 460000 damage per "trigger pull"

3 is the reactive one, this one is the one that was changed to have higher damage per instance it only sets in the next game tick after you smack an archon for 1/20th of its hp in about 0.6 seconds

[quiet tapir]

Space mom is not human

[obtuse gyro]

yes?

[quiet tapir]

Those belly head people in fortuna cannot have kid

[obtuse gyro]

no

we've been through this before

the ventkids come from the fortunans, they are fortunans

theyre their kids

[quiet tapir]

I specifically mean those people without belly

[obtuse gyro]

non-issue lmao

just incubator the child

[quiet tapir]

[frigid canopy]

Will we get a Veso raid mission? (I believe that was Corpus' name in NW)

The ||Kahl|| ones are fun, but I'd like to see the corpus side, too

[real niche]

Veso's dead.

So no.

[frigid canopy]

oh, I don't remember him dying lol

[rain otter]

I mean he shot a Sentient Murex and then like got shot back.

[elfin idol]

take your shot for profit
sentient ship explodes both fleets

he dead as doornail unfortunately

[unkempt zephyr]

his shot probably didn't hurt the murex at all

[nova harness]

He did but the shockwave from it destroyed the ship Veso was on

[prime lantern]

His shot led to the firing of the entire corpus fleet it had to have hurt

[frigid canopy]

welp. Question about the Kahl missions: how does ranking up the camp work?

[unkempt zephyr]

it's that a counter attack from the murex?

[unkempt zephyr]

it levels up for each kahl mission you complete

[frigid canopy]

Is it only once per week?

cuz I ran five of em in a row and was lvl 2 at the very start, and just never did them again cuz I couldn't figure out how they levelled lol

[prime lantern]

And vesos moment opens up the future for potential corpus defectors

[nova harness]

Not them shooting back just a shockwave from his attack

[unkempt zephyr]

yeah only counts once per week, so it needs a month to reach r5

[rain otter]

yeah but you can run the mission as many times as you want to get all the salavge or whatever.

[quiet tapir]

Drifter cannot drift

[rain otter]

Untrue he can drive a RJ and thus drift.

[quiet tapir]

[rain otter]

the Railjack has a drift that you can unlock its basiclly the boost but longer.

[prime lantern]

Albrechts files mention a change to the tennos personal timeline, odd that Albrecht somehow knows what should and shouldn't be happening and thus can identify change

It also makes me believe we have may have to try and escape or beat fate in a sense

Or were already exempt from fate

[near rune]

Well, the Operator Report says "The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted" because "Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history". That's not so much saying "what was supposed to happen has not happened" as much as it is saying "time has been severely messed with". You don't need to be able to see the threads of fate in order to make that statement. If your friend built a time machine and went back in time to kill Genghis Khan, you could very easily say "Genghis Khan's personal timeline has been disrupted" no matter how well you knew history.

[prime lantern]

I suppose

Though I wonder what got changed

[near rune]

I mean Albrecht's computer clearly has advanced sensors if it can know that the Tenno has been imprisoned within their own history. I don't know how you'd detect that.

[prime lantern]

Hmm

Also an impressive feat on ballases part I'm not sure what strings he pulled to make that happen

I also imagine the player is the only tenno with a layer of immortality

[supple dagger]

This quote on the Warframe website underneath Whispers is neat

[prime lantern]

Odd

Why would we think he's a demon

[rain otter]

why would people think the Tenno are a demon?

[prime lantern]

Some people do not like us

[tardy wolf]

A lot*

[magic summit]

I don't like them either

Sell me your wares without making me fetch crap

[near rune]

The Warframe website is still absolutely borked for me. Is it fixed for some people?

[unkempt zephyr]

well I see no problem with the main site, have you tried a different browser?

[near rune]

oh I fixed it, just needed to clear my cache

[supple dagger]

Maybe because he has questionable plans for the future?

Also, when I was rewatching the 1999 demo I had a theory; what if the Albrecht we saw at the end was actually him and the reason why he sounded all weird like Wally was because he was speaking in Void Tongue? Like he literally made Wally and discovered the requiem words so what if he also knew how to speak them just like how Wally does

[prime lantern]

Mightve made wally

[obtuse gyro]

Gee, I wonder what makes people think he's wally

[prime lantern]

People are blind?

[obtuse gyro]

More of people dont pay close attention to things that we nerds pay attention to

Like wallys galaxy eyes

They see the smile and think "wally"

[prime lantern]

He has uhh cataracts? Is that what the foggy eyes thing is called

No

[obtuse gyro]

No thats just grey eyes lol

[prime lantern]

The entire eye is grey tho ain't it

[obtuse gyro]

Not really

Like theres "the engine is trying to render a grey iris" and theres "this bozo has cataracts"

[prime lantern]

Fair

[quiet tapir]

The man in the wall is actually a man in the wall

[nova harness]

Actually a Man in a Wall you mean?

[ebon fractal]

why we need to owned a necramach to play the new war ?

[flat shadow]

Because it's written into the quest.

[ebon fractal]

cant the game just temporarily let us play the a necramach in the quest

like we temporarily play a frame we dont have in duviri paradox

[flat shadow]

Apparently not.

[ebon fractal]

i forgot the story by before when i get a necramach 💀

[flat shadow]

You can replay most old missions if you need a refresher.

[ebon fractal]

i never knew

thank you

[flat shadow]

There is also a new way to review old quest information coming in WitW.

[obtuse gyro]

you mean the computer?

[flat shadow]

yep.

[obtuse gyro]

https://www.warframe.com/news/operator-report
the one that does this?

[flat shadow]

Yep.

[nova harness]

Can you actually read that one some I try and read and it doesn’t work

[flat shadow]

I haven't clicked on all of them, but the ones I have clicked all worked. Only the mail icon seems to be broken.

[obtuse gyro]

the drifter one is fixed now

[unkempt zephyr]

hmmm I see they're putting up guides in site

[quiet tapir]

On second thought it could be a woman

[unkempt zephyr]

wally's gender is xaku

[obtuse gyro]

homie nonstop just saying whatever comes to mind huh

[nova harness]

Is your mind broken?

[quiet tapir]

No i just don't see the the concrete evidence that convince me that is a dude

[obtuse gyro]

do you see concrete evidence that convince you that The Man in the Wall is a woman?

[quiet tapir]

My character is a woman and he appear to look like me so i guess he is not completely a man

[obtuse gyro]

its one thing to think that theres no way to properly conclude the gender of an eldritch entity who could be a reflection of albrecht's nonsense

its another, wrong thing to assume that "because I cannot confirm he is a man, she must be a woman"

[nova harness]

I saw him as a man in a Wall

I didn’t see a Woman

[obtuse gyro]

d-do you even know what that shape is called?

its called the vitruvian man

[quiet tapir]

Oh i get it

I could be missing like his finger

I wonder which raijack carry it

[obtuse gyro]

its more than likely he's presenting as a man because his first touch point with reality was albrecht

[nova harness]

Probably Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

but has shown to be very capable of showing off whatever form he fancies

[quiet tapir]

This guy have 4 arms and half a head

But only 19 fingers

[nova harness]

Wally can be a man Wally can be a Woman Wally can be a duck Wally can be a Child

[quiet tapir]

Can't wait to beat up wally and see what he drop

[nova harness]

The extra 2 abilities we were missing

[compact haven]

Nah, he'll have stalker drops. a couple decent weapons, and the rest will be overall mid mods we get elsewhere easily 😂

[nova harness]

And freedom from seeing him in our Orbiter

[compact haven]

Also true

[fading turret]

Why did Shadow Stalker become the normal Stalker again?

In New War I mean

Oh right it's because we destroyed the War blade lmao

But he remains the Shadow Stalker when invading after TSD

[near rune]

I mean, Shadow Stalker is just Stalker with a new weapon and armour. He can take the armour off, in theory. And since the armour and weapon are Sentient in origin, perhaps he eschewed them while he was fighting Sentients in TNW out of fear that the Sentients could use them against him.

[fading turret]

Aw yeah fair enough

Do we know who he is? He is a Tenno himself isn't he? Or is he one of those Warframes with their own consciousness? Or an Orokin?

[near rune]

He is a Low Guardian. Exactly what means is unknown, but it would seem that he's not a Tenno. The recent Operator Report doesn't call him a Tenno but reinforces the "Low Guardian" classification.

[fading turret]

Interesting.

He's an Excalibur with a different head and a dark colour scheme.

Hmm...

[fleet veldt]

Could be like Umbra, but with a far more mentally-stable strain of Helminth employed to create him and his class, like a top-secret reboot of the Warframe project during an intermission between first attempts to do so, and/to when Tenno were involved, with the 'last' being Umbra.

Though that's my standing theory; a willing frameformed Dax as something akin to Spectres (Mass Effect) or Dark Brotherhood (Elder Scrolls).

Has anyone attempted to translate the error messages that possess the distorted text seen in 1999?

[fading turret]

I was thinking about him being a Warframe Dax of a sort

[fading turret]

Does it bother anyone else that Umbra is pretty much a non-character after Sacrifice?

I'd at least like to see him walking around the ship, or having a role in New War.

But instead he basically doesn't exist at all.

Umbra could have showed up and helped the Drifter at some point, or help the Operator save Lotus from falling (of course not managing to at least)

I get that during the parts where Ballas is there Umbra could have been commanded by Ballas to stand down because of course he is a Dax and Dax are forced to obey the Orokin no matter what, which can explain why he stayed in full limp while the Operator got stabbed, and didn't do anything during the final fight cinematic

Just some acknowledgement somewhere. Umbra is an actual human being that got turned into a Warframe and forced to remain and remember, tormented by his one burning memory and unable to get revenge on Ballas for making him kill his son. Umbra is a character

This is the most acknowledgement I've seen on Umbra since Sacrifice. A picture of him holding the Grimoire.

I doubt this means he's gonna be there in Whispers. More likely they just uses him because he fits the general tone, but like any other Primeframe would be the same.

Hell even if you could randomly hear Smiles From Juran and follow the melody to find him just playing the Shawzin in your Orbiter would have been nice to see.

[obtuse gyro]

Many people it was one of the top complaints

Although its easy to fathom the challenge in making umbra exclusive content for the biggest cinematic quest to date

Aside from having to rig animate and voice umbra only scenes, you'd have to story board something else entirely for him too, which is complicated and frankly if I were them Id rather focus on the main quest instead of making something for umbra

Doesnt make it any less sad that umbra had nothing special for him in TNW tho

[fading turret]

Still, Umbra has a bone to pick with Ballas.

Surely he can't have been happy just stabbing him in the spine, especially since Ballas survived it having been taken away by Natah.

He doesn't even have a voice or say anything throughout the Sacrifice - though he SHOULD HAVE being that he was the PRIMARY FOCUS of the quest

[obtuse gyro]

ok that I must disagree lmao

the quest itself already gives you a very very very clear reason why he cant speak

youre asking for something modified to be ever so slightly different from your standard model warframe to have proper voiced lines

the whole point is that umbra like all other frames of the 2nd gen have had be robbed of their humanity, which would include the ability to speak

just because youre the primary focus, does not mean you need voicelines to send a message

[fading turret]

Aye I forgot about that (also I thought Ballas was lying and using his Orokin status to force Umbra to be silent)

I also recall in TSD, Operator speaks through their Warframe several times. But we don't know the exact circumstances or workings of that.

[fiery yarrow]

It's not impossible that frames still have vocal chords, but lack the capacity to use them, which would allow the operator to do so.
That wouldn't get past the issue of lips or an exit for the noise tho.

Personally I assumed it was either a comms hookup in the Somatic Link or some Void Telepathy. We see plenty of psychic shenanigans with the Tenno and even have a literal battle at the center of the mind, talking in their head seems the LEAST of a reasonable power

[steady gate]

Valkyr still has vocal chords for sure
Maybe Grendel and Styanax

[fiery yarrow]

Umbra does "scream" too...

Who knows, maybe it's void telekinesis to move the air like it would for speech

(Or it was cool so they did it and we're thinking too deeply, but thats the boring Doylist option)

[nova harness]

Stalker can talk

[obtuse gyro]

stalker is a unique case

we dont know where he managed to get his hands on the helminth strain and what modifications he made to it

[nova harness]

You can give your Warframe the ability to scream

[unkempt zephyr]

they can scream, but they can't talk

[zealous river]

Anyone able to share all the Nightwave rewards?

[wild wind]

Should just be visible in game now

[zealous river]

I'm currently at work 😅 But curious what they rewards all are

[wild wind]

The new stuff this time is the fire/ice themed pet armor and the syndanas

Plus the infested weapon mods, for the Catabolyst and Sporothrix

[prime lantern]

What they do?

[heavy pollen]

if anyone wants a basis of the storyline of warframe read this

The Awakening:

Origins of the Tenno:

The game's lore begins with the Orokin Empire, an ancient and technologically advanced civilization.
The Orokin created the Warframes, biomechanical suits of armor infused with the mysterious power of the Void, to combat a threat known as the Sentients.
The Sentient Threat:

The Sentients were a race of self-replicating machines created by the Orokin but turned against their creators. They were capable of adapting and resisting the Void's energy.
The Tenno's Role:

In response to the Sentient threat, the Orokin created the Tenno, a group of skilled warriors who could control Warframes. The Tenno were children who gained their abilities through exposure to the Void.
The Old War:

The Orokin engaged in a conflict known as the Old War against the Sentients, with the Tenno as their powerful warriors. The Warframes were crucial in the battle.
The Betrayal:

A mysterious figure named Margulis, who played a crucial role in the creation of the Tenno, was executed by the Orokin for her compassion toward the children. This event led to a turning point.
The Stasis:

In a desperate move, the Lotus (a mysterious guide associated with the Tenno) put the Tenno into cryosleep, hiding them from the impending collapse of the Orokin Empire.
The Present Day (Player Awakening):

Players start the game as a newly awakened Tenno, emerging from centuries of cryosleep into a war-torn solar system. The Lotus becomes their guide, helping them navigate missions against the Grineer and Corpus factions.
Key Themes:

The nature of the Void, a mysterious dimension that grants the Tenno their powers.
The identity and intentions of the Lotus, who guides the players.
The history and fate of the Orokin Empire.
The ongoing conflict with the Sentients.
Cinematic Quests:

Mysterious Threats:

The quest begins with the discovery of mysterious Sentient ships threatening the Origin System. The Sentients, a formidable enemy, pose a significant danger to both the Tenno and the factions they've been fighting.
The Lotus's Guidance:

The Lotus, the guiding figure for the Tenno, leads players on a quest to uncover the secrets of the past. Players embark on a journey to unlock their true potential and face the looming threat.
The Hidden Identity:

Throughout the quest, players begin to question their own identity. The true nature of the Tenno and their connection to the Warframes is shrouded in mystery.
The Reservoir:

The quest involves a mission to a mysterious location known as the Reservoir. Players discover a hidden chamber containing a pod similar to the one they emerged from at the start of the game.
Transference Revelation:

The term "Transference" becomes a key element in the story. Players learn that they have been controlling Warframes remotely through a process called Transference, with their true form being the child operators within the pods.
Operator Mode:

"The Second Dream" introduces the Operator Mode, allowing players to directly control their Warframe's Operator, revealing a human child with Void abilities.
The Unveiling of Faces:

The quest concludes with the unveiling of the faces of the Operators, allowing players to customize the appearance of their true selves.
Impact on the Community:

"The Second Dream" had a profound impact on the Warframe community, as the quest's revelations reshaped players' understanding of the game's lore and their own characters.

[obtuse gyro]

The sentients are not capable of adapting and resisting the voids energy, thats literally their fatal flaw

[obtuse gyro]

The Orokin made the warframes, they did not make the Tenno, they only incorporated the Tenno into the second generation warframe project

[steady gate]

‘Mysterious figure’
She was a well known Archimedian…and Ballas’s lover

[obtuse gyro]

Margulis isnt that mysterious, shes an archimedian who was known for creating transference therapy and her attempts at rehabilitating the tenno before she was killed. Also lover to ballas

[steady gate]

I think you might need to review your game knowledge before trying to make a lore guide

[obtuse gyro]

Its also uh, only up to TSD, but also the sentient armada wasnt revealed until later after TSD and WW

Additionally the Lotus never guides the tenno to discover the secrets of their past, this was a forced scenario thanks to hunhow and the stalker

[steady gate]

She in fact tried her best to KEEP us away from our past

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally start of warframe doesnt use cryopods anymore it starts off as three inactive warframes almost like statues.

Moreover, that cryopod resembles nothing like the reservoir pod

[heavy pollen]

@obtuse gyro 😂 this is so hilarious to me because your literally arguing with a AI robot I thought AI knows better then humans

[obtuse gyro]

Oh you used AI? No wonder its absolute garbage

Its inaccurate and incomplete

And the dataset its using must be old because its not even up to 2020

[heavy pollen]

@obtuse gyro I hope and pray that you are one of the devs saying this

[obtuse gyro]

I dont need to be from DE to know that what you got from the AI is wrong on multiple accounts

Me and crustacean have already gone through some examples where its just wrong

The fact that it tried to combine pre-TSD understanding of tenno and post-TSD understanding of tenno into one and failed is more hilarious that you thinking Im arguing with an defunct bot

[heavy pollen]

Lmfaoooo

Feel free to enlighten us the truth my brotha I’m all ears 👂🏾

[obtuse gyro]

Scroll up big man

[steady gate]

Why even use an AI to write a lore summary
It can’t be trusted to recite parts of books that are available online

[heavy pollen]

Nah I wanted to kno start to finish

[steady gate]

It’s notorious for making facts up

[obtuse gyro]

How the AI managed to mess up the fatal flaw of the sentients is astonishing to me

[heavy pollen]

Indeed

[obtuse gyro]

It is explicitly stated that the sentients cant adapt to the void

[heavy pollen]

Do u all have a YouTube channel to enlighten us

[obtuse gyro]

Its the same annoying voiceline that lotus spams everytime a sentient on lua adapts to anything

[obtuse gyro]

Go to orokinarchives.com and go wild

[heavy pollen]

Bet thank you

[prime lantern]

I never noticed I just bomb the sentient to high hell and it dies before it adapts

[nova harness]

AI can’t beat human intelligence 90% of the time

[fiery yarrow]

I have a 9 hour video and a 1 hour video, which do you want

[heavy pollen]

Both

[prime lantern]

Not the 9 hour one that one sucks

[thick jolt]

I suspect the 9 hour one is one of those full of headcannon

[fiery yarrow]

Then not the 9 hour lol. NGL that one I use to fall asleep and as background noise so I barely pay attention

Mostly there for the meme of "complex enough to need 9 hours"
It's the SocraTetris one, he's been pretty baller with philosophical analysis of the story

[fiery yarrow]

https://youtu.be/YKeT8SoRUB8?si=g1xoiGZTZqiYyjyW
Here's the one hour one, to my knowledge it's abput as high an accuracy:duration ratio as you can expect

[fiery yarrow]

Isn't that like, the entire point of Cephalons? /j

[nova harness]

Simaris is probably the smartest Cephalon you’ll get the rest just do a basic task

[wicked iron]

Cephalons aren't AI.

[fiery yarrow]

I'd argue the one on the Zariman is pretty smart too, teaching (especially young kids) is REALLY complex

[nova harness]

And that too

[fiery yarrow]

Yeah, that was the joke lol. Human Intelligence > AI, and they're basically digitized human minds

[wicked iron]

Sentients are, but Cephalons aren't.

[obtuse gyro]

Hence the /j

And the sentients still lost to human stupidity 🤡

[wicked iron]

I missed the /j lol

[nova harness]

Is Loid AI?

[fiery yarrow]

I believe he's a cephalon or kindred to one

[wicked iron]

Sentients only lost because Lotus turned on them to save us.

[obtuse gyro]

We'll find out, his circumstances are very unique

[wild wind]

Loid's a copy of the human version of Loid

They called him a necraloid, which seemed like a distinction without a difference until Whispers

[obtuse gyro]

He's identified himself as a cephalon but his human is still alive

[wicked iron]

I like how Loid confirms that Cephalons can be created without sacrificing the original person's life.

[fiery yarrow]

Oh wack

[nova harness]

Loid is a pretty good liar

[obtuse gyro]

Its possible that albrecht uh, pulled a loid from an adjacent timeline, and cephalon'd him

[fiery yarrow]

Even if that was common knowledge like, 80% of the time it;s a punishment because the Orokin were just...cruel, so why let them live?

[nova harness]

Albrecht smartest Warframe character

[fiery yarrow]

I mean...yeah probably

Man basically discovered/invented void tech, right? He's the ROnald Reagan of Warframe (Like, everything traces back to him)

[nova harness]

Made most void tech bar the finger he stole

[fiery yarrow]

hece the "discovered" bit in there

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht is the Ronald
Ballas is the Reagan

Because literally everything can be traced back to those two goobers

[fiery yarrow]

I know there's a niche theory that his void exeriments somehow created the Man in the Wall, or at least gave it a like...personality, ig?

[obtuse gyro]

Snot really a niche one anymore

[nova harness]

Does Albrecht even know Warframes exist?

[obtuse gyro]

Its my leading theory, and something that the operator report has suggested

[wild wind]

Yes but not any specifics

[obtuse gyro]

Well the 1999 one does for sure

[fiery yarrow]

Aw shucks
I kinda liked the idea that Wally was the ONLY thing in the lore that we can't trace to humanity in some way

Being the one ACTUAL alien in the game

[wild wind]

He's got some awareness of the future given he's in Duviri at one point, so linear time gets to just not apply to him

The Void and the MitW is the abyss that Nietzche talks about

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, that had one foot in the grave the moment we got albrecht's logs. DE just more recently pushed him all the way in

[nova harness]

The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape that’s how all this started

[fiery yarrow]

Was that actually Albrecht or is it some parallel to him or is it Duviri being bass ackwards confusing

[wild wind]

It's a place of pure potential ,shaped by consciousness

Actually Albrecht

We just don't know when it was Albrecht

[fiery yarrow]

Ok, wasn't sure since Wizard Teshin is...whatever the heck he is

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht Entrati is responsible for drawing the attention of The Indifference to Origin

Albrecht Entrati is responsible for the existence of The Indifference

[wild wind]

Wizard Teshin is the Teshin from New War

[nova harness]

An old man Dax

[fiery yarrow]

100%, confirmed, for sure?

[wild wind]

He just didn't die, since he was resuscitated

Yes, the Duviri lore makes it clear

[nova harness]

Yes Duviri saved him

He even has the veil from New War

[fiery yarrow]

Ok cool, stil just getting into the wierdness going on with Eternalism and Duviri and a lot of the stuff I was reading was less than confident on that aspect

[wild wind]

Eternalism is less complicated than it seems

[wicked iron]

I really hope Albrecht isn't what The Man in the Wall was made from, honestly.

[wild wind]

It's classic "every choice creates a separate universe", but you can reach those alternate univereses through the Void

That's all

[obtuse gyro]

He won't be, at least from my theory

[fiery yarrow]

Mostly the sorta "floaty" linearity of events that trips me up

[wild wind]

that's because time doesn't exist in the void

[obtuse gyro]

Recall this statement

It cannot be true unless Wally already existed and just needed something to give him shape

[wild wind]

But people keep their personal timelines

[nova harness]

It does

[wild wind]

That's the thing, linear time is even more of an illusion in the void

[obtuse gyro]

Because if wally was a Concept. Embdmnt the first statement is false

If wally already had a shape before, the second statement is false

[wild wind]

Which is why we can fight a defense mission and change the past

Albrecht gave Wally his first (for our purposes) face and his first opening to physical reality

The Man in the Wall is probably closer to a manifestation of the collective unconscious of humanity

[fiery yarrow]

Huge tangent but: Are the holdfasts basically the void equivalent of a Cephalon? Unrelated to like, anything, just kinda a cool thought

[nova harness]

No

[wild wind]

I get what you're saying, but yeah not really

[obtuse gyro]

#lore-discussion message

And to repeat myself at the end of all that

Some long dead goober

[wild wind]

Cephalons are raw materials for computers

Holdfasts are ghosts

[obtuse gyro]

Once said "I think therefore I am", wally is, but can he think?"

[fiery yarrow]

Ok, to pull in from Destiny lore...Wally feels a LOT like the IX (the nine) do narratively

[obtuse gyro]

What a coincidence

If you click on the link and scroll down

#lore-discussion message

[fiery yarrow]

A fundamental force or component of reality that is indirectly brought to life by, and revolted by their dependence upon, other lofe

[obtuse gyro]

Actually up or down doesnt matter, I talk about the Nine both before and after

[fiery yarrow]

It's honestly wild how different Destiny and Warframe are while also hitting so many of the same notes

[obtuse gyro]

You say that but the amount of times I had to tell people that "no, [Wally/The Witness] is bad" is terrifying

[nova harness]

Wally vs Witness

[fiery yarrow]

The funniest being the "magic wand" that actually isn't when you look at it is in both. Paracausality vs. Void/Eternalism.

Warframe uses its a bit less openly tho

[obtuse gyro]

Given how close the witness is to winning in the Destiny universe, I say currently the witness

Until we do its head in of course

[nova harness]

Does Destiny have a Void?

[fiery yarrow]

Witness is absolutely undeniably evil.

Wally is the antagonist and definitely BAD to have around, but genuinely it feels more like an orange/blue moral entity than "evil"
More like if a hurricane could talk than anything

[obtuse gyro]

Ascendant plane

[obtuse gyro]

I dont know what orange/blue means but its yet to be determined if this is a "is winter evil" situation or if wally does really messed up things because he wants to and can

Or rather, because he needs to to be real

[fiery yarrow]

Paracausality is the superpower source (or at least one of them...Hive arcana is a but less clear and the IX...yeah I don't think we know what they have exactly), in my personal explanation:

Causality means I do A+B=C
Acausality means C is just there now
Paracausality is "I had A and B, then I headbutt them and C exploded."

[fiery yarrow]

There's also the Realm of the IX, which we've only had fleeting excursions into

And the Ley Lines

[obtuse gyro]

To explain in ball kicking terms
Causality: I kicked a ball and scored a goal
Causality: A goal was scored
Paracausality: I pretended to kick a ball and a ball appeared and scored a goal

[nova harness]

Destiny sounds more confusing than Warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Ley lines are currently ascendant plane territory

And IX is uh, not the warframe kind of void

Its something

[fiery yarrow]

It both is and is not, honestly
You can accurately summarize it as "Creation and Destruction got into an argument and made a universe to prove a point. One of them runs around helping people until it pisses off a civilization that decides to hunt it down and end the universe because they're petty (the Witness). The Witness makes some buddies and almost wins, then gets c-blocked at the gates and runs away to cry in a corner. Later on it comes back and carves a hole in the ball, then goes into it to do...evil things of vague description"

[prime lantern]

Balls are evil things man

[flat shadow]

Lets keep the lore focused on Warframe. I'm sure there is a Destiny discord out there somewhere if you want to discuss Destiny lore.

[fiery yarrow]

Fair point! I digresz

[obtuse gyro]

Anyway wally bad

[fiery yarrow]

Yeah p much. We can debate ethics and morals but the end result is Eldritch Terrors are bad for business lol

[prime lantern]

Balls/children are evil things man

[fiery yarrow]

God THATS a thought

If Wally can understand our morals and works within them, would the exploitative bargain with the Tenno count as Survival Crime

Entirely a thought experiment and nothing more but DANG is that a thesis paper someone could write in some fantasy world

[prime lantern]

He can definitely understand our thoughts

He calls us childhood nicknames and knew exactly how to bargain with baro

[obtuse gyro]

I have always counted it as such, if I understand what a survival crime is

[nova harness]

He knew how to get into our mind without doing the thing he did to Albrecht

[fiery yarrow]

For the purpose of this I'd define it as "immoral actions taken to e sure survival of oneself when other reasonable option are exhausted"

Ie, stealing bread to avoid starving to death

[obtuse gyro]

OH

In that case no

I dont think he did that as an act of survival

Much like how the nine's attempts to free themselves of the need for other life to seed their thoughts is not an act of survival

What it is to me is an act of uh

Freedom

[magic summit]

Wall-E Bad! No cookie for Wall-E!

[toxic totem]

What you do if you find out the man in the wall exists in real life ? ☠️

" You can't run away from what's inside your mind " 👾

[supple dagger]

Pull an Albrecht

[magic summit]

it's like fingertips on the surface of my mind

[unkempt zephyr]

mmm asmr

[orchid remnant]

at the end of warframe, do you think we'll say the title

[magic summit]

No, they'll pan over and we'll see a boom mic and cameras

[rugged ridge]

Replaying the New War trying to do some analysis about what the themes of the whole game actually are and I'm tearing up at the "I can't, I won't" scene rn 😭

Also here's what I've figured out so far as a common theme across the entire game:
Every character in the New War and all the quests since has a moment where they are in danger and close to death if not outright dying. You, Natah, Teshin x2, Erra, Ballas, Kahl, Veso, Quinn & the Holdfasts
And it seems to me like they're trying to show counter-advice to the line at the very beginning
We may dream "not of what we are but of what we want to be", but in moments of crisis what you actually are comes to the surface and what you choose to do in those moments matter very much

• Kahl decides to discard the queens as he realizes he actually cares for his brothers and sisters in the Grineer so much more
• Veso decides he doesn't want to be a traitor and betrays the betrayer Alad and the entirety of the Corpus ideology for what he thinks is right
• Erra realizes that Hunhow is right and "all of us will die for the pride of one man", and decides to stop what he helped start
• The Holdfasts think it's inevitable they turn into void angels and find a new source of light and hope in you
• Natah centers herself and finds balance in the storm of personalities she was forced into having
• And Ballas breaks down and almost starts sobbing like the broken man he truly is, seeing Margulis again and remembering why he was even doing it all in the first place

And I think these moments are striking a balance with the Lotus's advice so long ago: What you are needs to coexist with what you want to be. They are two sides of the same coin

All of these characters have some half-complete idea of who they are or what they believe in and bury other parts of themself striving for that

• Ballas was completely consumed by it long ago
• Natah has spent her entire life only being what others want her to
• Erra betrays his entire family he once cared for because he clung too hard to the need to prove himself
• Teshin is completely subservient to others and does almost nothing else out of ideals of honor and duty
• Etc etc

But I think this is all personified in our two Tenno and the Paradox.
We seem to have figured it out. IDK if y'all know about the psychological and philosophical concept of the shadow self but I'm pretty sure that's what the entirety of Warframe's magic works off of

When entering the void your shadow self can become real. Entire kingdoms can be completely manifest from a story and brought to life through conceptual embodiment, maybe humans just were not mentally prepared to enter the abyss and have it reflect their own eyes back at themself, so to speak

Albrecht sure as hell wasn't lmao 👀

But the Tenno imo have made it work. When we go through that moment of crisis in the New War and possibly die (which I think is writing symbolism for loss of innocence) our other half carries on until eventually we find ourselves whole again. Our shadow self and our ideal self are a team. Which one is which is entirely up to you. But all the other characters don't have that chance and they end up suffering for it.
Anyway rant over this story is so interesting to try and analyze once you have more pieces in the past year of updates

I still can't tell what it's trying to say entirely or even if there's a tangible message embedded at all, or whether it wants you to find your own meaning from the story

I'm leaning towards the latter. But I also think the game is trying to communicate psychological concepts like that completely separate from a medical context and almost non-verbally, like they're trying to help you see these ideas but not tell you outright and let you find your own way through them

Sorry for the paragraphs 😅 I figured somebody would probably find it interesting

[obtuse gyro]

Good work, ill respond in a moment

[obtuse gyro]

Interesting thoughts but I personally I disagree that we're being shown counter advice, but rather affirmations

oops hit enter too early

[rugged ridge]

Oops lol no worries, that's a really good point actually 🤔

[obtuse gyro]

anyways

• Kahl thinks himself only as grineer soldiers "are", only later in times of crisis is able to think/"dream" of who he wants to be, someone free, with his brothers and sisters
• Veso is a corpus grunt, same thing as the grineer, should be subservient to the whims of his corporate overlords, he changes from what he is, a grunt, to a beloved man of action, shooting the sentient ship at the cost of his own life
• Erra was built to rule, that was his purpose, that is who he is literally meant to be. Only later when he realises that hunhow was right, he moves to who he wants to be and helps us stop ballas
• Almost exactly what you said for the holdfasts, but theyre able to move past what they are as soon-to-be angels with the help of us (the dreamers), they can now be who they want to be, the final vestiges of those lost in the Zariman, and a stalwart sentinel in the zariman theater
• Natah, who is caught between all the versions of who she is, can finally choose who she wants to be, but not at the cost of herself, but rather a voice to lead the others
• Ballas is a doodoo head. In ballas's case its interesting, who he is and who he wants to be are typically the same, which is the source of many of his and our problems

[obtuse gyro]

as for this, the drifter isnt so much our "shadow self" he isnt a conceptual embodiment from us, he's us but from a timeline where we didnt get rescued, brought to us by the whims of Wally

however, the idea that whats in your head does become real when you enter the void is most definitely true

[rugged ridge]

I really like all this!!! I think you're totally on to something

[obtuse gyro]

this is most important when trying to guesstimate the motives of Wally

and in turn provides the most nefarious twist of "dream not of what you are, but who you want to be"

because Wally wants to be us, but I dont think he's got a right handle on the right kind of dreaming he needs just for that

[rugged ridge]

Lol makes sense! I personally believe (with not much in-universe evidence) that the operator is actually the shadow self and that the drifter is the original version of us. However much the drifter may grow up, may become strong or distant or disassociate or escape to Duviri, they will always be an orphan of the Zariman who went through so much pain, loss, grief and genuinely terrible horror. But I hope if they ever touch on this each player gets to choose for themself

[obtuse gyro]

hmm, I cant assuade you from personal belief, but neither drifter nor operators are CE's of each other. (They are CE's in a sense yes, but not from our own minds). Both Drifter and Operator are equally real, not because of Void making thought real but because Time is real

[rugged ridge]

I gotcha makes sense! I guess I can't get that one line from Quinn out of my head lol

[obtuse gyro]

the two silhouettes one?

[rugged ridge]

Yeah that one! Was looking it up on the wiki lol

[obtuse gyro]

common consensus is that it explains where the other goes when we toggle

which is to say "inside"

like banner and hulk

[rugged ridge]

Ohh interesting okay

[woven bramble]

The sayings goes as this : "Battle not with monsters,lest you become a monster,and if you gaze into the abyss,the abyss gazes also into you" -Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

[obtuse gyro]

and almost as if to frame it in warframe's lore

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started!"

[rugged ridge]

Yeah 🤔 That line made my brain kick into high gear first time I heard it

[obtuse gyro]

Which brings us to:
#lore-discussion message

[rugged ridge]

Yeah I think this is partially what they're going for with a different spin on it! Something something "fairy tales aren't ever about how monsters are real, they're lessons in how monsters can be killed"

[obtuse gyro]

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started!"

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

[rugged ridge]

I find it so interesting that all the villains in Warframe are of human origin, problems we made for ourselves, and the only exception has been Wally but in the end he might turn out to be as well, we'll have to see!!

[woven bramble]

Also philosophically the fear of dark is not that you fear the darkness itself but what it really hides,what resides in it showing us that what we don't know scares us

[obtuse gyro]

my bet is that wally is not of human origin, but his shapes are, and thats why he wants to be "us"

because Wally exists, but can he "think"

I think therefore I am

[rugged ridge]

Yeah for sure, it's a tough question but it's similar, are the Duviri people alive? I'd say yes they've become more than the characters they were created from, especially considering Acrithis can talk to Cephalon Melica completely independent from us a very long time after we left

[obtuse gyro]

yep theyre alive

some goober months back tried to argue that theyre not real and not people and as such wally destroying their islands and actively harming them was okay

needless to say, he didnt find much success

[rugged ridge]

🙄 Lol I bet

[obtuse gyro]

and instead of making wally sound like "not a bad being", he made himself sound like "a very bad person"

[rugged ridge]

Gosh I think about the silliest things sometimes. I've been up all night with insomnia and here I am wondering if the Duviri citizens are cellular organisms, altered humans ala Warframes, living porcelain or something completely beyond classification lmao

[woven bramble]

Well the drifter and operator are the two faces of a coin,two different choices with the same outcome

[obtuse gyro]

yes, but neither are the shadow self of the other

[obtuse gyro]

duviri folks would be I think, CE's of people from the book

people nonetheless, modelled after hoomans, but uh, probably not flesh and bone

[rugged ridge]

I do wonder sometimes if it's second dreams all the way down and there's somebody still doing the dreaming creating us

[rugged ridge]

Lmao yeah probably not, definitely CE's though! Although Koral Mathila's daughter said something that got my brain wheels turning today, I can't remember it word for word but it was basically:

"It's a strange thing Outlaw that when one is born they have no memory of what they were before. I am certainly Koral, I've lived a whole life here, and yet I know in my heart I was not always so. What was I?? ...were you always an outlaw, I wonder?"

Super paraphrased I'm very tired lol

That got me wondering about a lot of things. A ridiculous idea that crossed my mind was that the others on board the Drifter's Zariman were remade into these characters instead of them being made from nothing. Silly thought but I still can't seem to shake thinking about it

Luscinia looks a real lot like Gyre/Gyra and Lodun like Executor Tuvul 😨

[obtuse gyro]

the answer! not really, we know that there was an island where there were effigies for the lost on the zariman, so we can presume them dead, instead of remade into the citizens

[rugged ridge]

Ohhh was that what the Masoleum was?

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, the gyre-gyra link is not really present, because gyre reminds Quinn, of Gyra, but is not Gyra

[obtuse gyro]

yep

[rugged ridge]

Very cool! Also huh that's so strange about Gyre

Mathila-Yonta isn't real, she can't hurt you 😨

[midnight swallow]

From what we are starting to see I think it's the same choice either way. It's just the dealer's definition changed between outcomes. As he has the whole deck and can count cards easy.

[midnight swallow]

If you visit ludon in the open world he is holding a tablet, the text on the tablet is the passenger manifest that Quinn holds in zariman

Quinn was also the one person aboard the zariman with easy access to glass people, easy remove any issue that made him mad or angry..

[wild wind]

I think that's closer to how the Zariman's props are being used to tell the stories of Duviri

We know what it looks like when a Duviri character is based on someone from the Origin System. The Warden looks and sounds like Ballas.

[nova harness]

A bunch of the Zariman is in Duviri

[wild wind]

Acrithis, Lodun and Thrax himself don't sound or look like Yonta, Quinn or the Drifter/Operator

[nova harness]

And they were never meant to since they were made to be fictional characters in something that wasn’t real with no actual sound past turning a page

[wild wind]

That too, ha. It's still interesting how those story characters are reusing stuff from the Zariman as props in their story.

[nova harness]

It’s the most Orokin thing they could find

[rain otter]

Also Ludon is in the Duviri Book which is pre Duviri.

[timid tulip]

Alright, idk where else I'm to ask about it so I'll do it here. I'm watching my friend play through The Sacrifice for the first time, and I can't help but think that it's somehow harder now?

Umbra's shields are for some reason immune to like 95% of the ticks of their void beam, and they're having a lot of trouble not getting immediately deleted because he stunlocks their operator into a finisher

I'm wondering if this is an experience that people have had with The Sacrifice in recent memory, because I did this quest with no amp as well back in the day and it was nowhere near this rough

see below

If you reply to me, please enable ping so I can actually see it.

[supple dagger]

Yea he was hard to kill for me when I first played the quest a few years ago. I cheesed him by finding a high spot in the room so that he couldn’t reach me and just fired away. You could try doing that but if that still doesn’t work then ig they have no choice but to get a better amp from Onkko

[timid tulip]

I distinctly remember it not being that difficult when I did it years ago, but they managed to get through it with one of those high spots

[supple dagger]

Well it should be smooth sailing for them now. And a better place to ask for help in the future would probably be #players-helping-players since people respond there faster

[rugged marsh]

I finished that quest just yesterday, and it was fine.

[timid tulip]

Weird.

It's mostly the immune ticks for the void beam that I'm confused about

[ebon fractal]

what happen to ballas why his leg like that ?

[obtuse gyro]

Stabbed

[torpid lantern]

Sentients make terrible doctors. Who gave them a medical license?

[frozen stump]

Im pretty sure the whole Old War was the orokin trying to punish them for practicing without a license, right?

[obtuse gyro]

Nah they had a license they just werent acting like how the orokin wanted

[magic summit]

Lol I did that. High ground and behind a tree that blocked his shots

[solar monolith]

So, I was doing Duviri stuff then I noticed my squadmate was using....the Stalker?!?!?!

How ?!?!

[craggy solstice]

Intrinsic reward, I don't remember which one but it's a tier 9 reward.

[solar monolith]

But why????

[nova harness]

Why not?

[craggy solstice]

Yes. If you've played The New War then you'll understand but also not understand.

[solar monolith]

Yeah I did. But still don't know why?

[nova harness]

Why not?

[ripe tinsel]

because they had the stalker playable internally for a while now and this was presumably a better opportunity to implement him than the stalker mode thing they had

[solar monolith]

There's a stalker mode?

[craggy solstice]

Stalker mode was a developer only mode where they could invade and play as the stalker. Usually they let people play it at Tennocon.

[cinder steppe]

You know I can get why they choose Duviri as a new new player path. Especially because of how much is being set up there that will become interesting or useful later on. However I feel like they kinda missed the mark by making it continue directly into the Warframe Path. I think it would've been much better if Duviri Path was an actual path that builds up until the New War where you would unlock the Starchart. However that would bring some complication gameplay wise.

[obtuse gyro]

Im hearing reports that duviri is no longer a new player option

[cinder steppe]

And with the Dormizone functioning as a connective point later on and until then functioning as your Liset before that.

And I think this might indeed be what DE has in store for the future.

[obtuse gyro]

I-uh, doubt that

[real niche]

Duviri is not a new player option anymore

[obtuse gyro]

as much as its nice, I dont think theyre going to revamp whats not a new player option

[real niche]

The issue with Duviri as a "new player" thing is that it doesn't do a good job at introducing you to the other end of the game, unlike playing through Warframe Classic and already knowing how the game plays by the time you do Duviri.

[steady gate]

Duviri start led players to believe that Warframe played like Duviri, instead of Duviri being its own limited thing

[frigid canopy]

How many new voice lines does Ordis have now? Every time I've done something, I've only heard the same line twice in the last week. I've encountered at least ten that're new

[nova harness]

I’ve heard at least 10 new ones

[supple dagger]

There’s been some rumors that Whispers might come out December 13th since Tennobaum ends on the 13th

[nova harness]

Bet it’s gonna be any of these 4

6th ruled out

So 3 left

[supple dagger]

Praying for 13th

[nova harness]

Same

I think 13th or 20th

Can’t think why they would do 27th

I’ve heard others say they would release it the 7th

But that’s super unlikely

[velvet wing]

I doubt it will be the 20th as that would only give them 3 days to hotfix after dropping WitW and cross save unless they intend on having people work on Christmas

[rain otter]

Hmmmm what could happen is DE releasing the day of the game awards but probably not.

[nova harness]

Have they ever released an update on a Thursday?

[rain otter]

I think so?

[steady gate]

Yeah, they have

For example, Second Dream was Dec 3, 2015. A Thursday

[velvet wing]

Didn't they drop Heart of Deimos on like a Saturday? lol no

[nova harness]

Tuesday

[velvet wing]

Idk why my brain was like 'and they dropped it immediately'

[nova harness]

Maybe they will release it on a Tuesday to match Heart of Demios

[blissful bay]

My guess is they do it at the game awards but thats a lot of hopeing

[visual raft]

When is the warframe game awards stream anyways? Ive seen different places say the 7th then other ones saying the 8th

[digital hearth]

What time zone are you in?

[visual raft]

GMT

[digital hearth]

Question: What time is it for ya?

(Making sure I'm looking at the right thing.)

[nova harness]

As in UK GMT or another because there’s a few GMTs

[visual raft]

Ahh im terrible with knowing timezones 😂 UK, 20:08 atm

[digital hearth]

Actually I have an idea.

[nova harness]

Yeah it’s the 7th then

[visual raft]

Alright thanks!

[digital hearth]

Nvm my idea failed anyways.

[near rune]

there are multiple GMTs?

[velvet wing]

<t:1701995400> this is a Unix timestamp and displays in your local time

[nova harness]

Yeah they add + then the number to not confuse

[cinder steppe]

I love the random Zariman ambiences you have in Duviri. Like for example in the caves you can hear Cephalon Melica vaguely in the distance.

[nova harness]

You can actually go to a tv and hear her screaming and sounding like she needs help

[void dune]

Dear friends! Please tell me when the game is planned to be released on Android, at least a test? Unfortunately, I only have a smartphone and no other devices. And I really want to play the game. Maybe someone can tell me?

[nova harness]

Sometime in 2024 I’d assume

[void dune]

I thank you for your answer. I have no strength to wait anymore

[craggy solstice]

Are you using a translator?

[void dune]

Yep

[void dune]

Google translator often translates crookedly

[craggy solstice]

https://www.deepl.com/translator

[void dune]

Is this a better translator than Google?

[craggy solstice]

It does a decent job.

[void dune]

I am grateful to you for suggesting a better translator.

[minor cave]

Can you rad prock kill clem?

[ionic sleet]

Uh... potentially, but... why?

[blissful bay]

😂

That’s unfortunate

[nova harness]

She could be lying

Lotus has lied before

[blissful bay]

Maybe tho the full stop makes me think that she is not

[nova harness]

We will see

[blissful bay]

Yup and hopefully it’s sooner rather then later

[nova harness]

My best guess is 13th

[blissful bay]

Any reason?

[nova harness]

It’s a Wednesday and would give them the most time to fix bugs

[blissful bay]

Hm the only thing I think that they might put back because of bugs is cross save (as they don’t usually do it for actual content)

[scarlet basalt]

i need the update to explore every parts of albretch's lab
I know this guy want to talk a lot and i'm sure they will release dozen of pages from his labs
"Netra cells" Orokin derelict vault but better, with "vault of knowledge" from rebecca's mouth

[supple dagger]

Tennobaum also ends on the 13th soo

[blissful bay]

True it will create a period where people can catch up for the clan event

Tho it’s a bit annoying that we’ll have to sit through a few hours of a stream for a 15-20m warframe segment (I wish it was a larger segment)

[velvet wing]

Any later than the the week of the 11-15 and they're dangerously close to having people working on Christmas

[scarlet basalt]

Doesn't DE take their holidays for christmas, so this may come closer than we thought ?

[velvet wing]

I feel like they have a holiday break, they've talked about that on stream but idk if that's just for community team

[low badger]

Then there's this. I'm not sure which rebb post is factual at this point

[nova harness]

Just remember which characters she’s voiced

[velvet wing]

They're definitely not dropping as big of an update as WitW at 8 at night

[low badger]

Megan voices Valkyr. Why is that important?

[nova harness]

How far are you in the game

If you’re far enough you’ll understand

[low badger]

I'm LR3 and spending more time finding something to do than actually doing the thing xD

[rain otter]

I could see it being like the next day or soon after.

[low badger]

I just don't see what it has to do with anything at this point. Rebb hasn't recorded any new Lotus lines since becoming the lead director afaik
We're kind of going in a direction where Lotus isn't the primary MC3 (Mission-critical Communications Channel) oprator any more.

[rain otter]

night of has never worked for DE.

like any time they did a "AND IT'S OUT NOW" it always went badly.

[nova harness]

She has

[low badger]

Has she? Bear in mind that release date isn't the same as recording date

[nova harness]

Abyss of Dagath

[low badger]

They don't record new lines a week before an update

[blissful bay]

I miss her in quests

[nova harness]

She even had lines in Duviri Paradox

[blissful bay]

Did she?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[blissful bay]

What character

[nova harness]

Lotus

[blissful bay]

I didn’t think she was in it

[nova harness]

She wasn’t in it

But you hear her voice

She says wake up Tenno

[blissful bay]

Oh

That does sound like her

[low badger]

This is all of Lotus' lines for Paradox, which came out 3 months after she was made director

Pretty sure those would have been recorded more than 3 months in advance, and even if not... not like it took a long time to do in the booth

[blissful bay]

But I wish they’d do it like how it was in the was within and other older quests (tho it’s unlikely that we will get any in the new quest)

[nova harness]

On February 1, 2022, Rebecca Ford, Warframe's former Director of Community and LiveOps, became the Creative Director of Warframe, which was later revealed at the TennoCon 2022 stage

Shea’s been it for longer than you think

[low badger]

Okay, but also, her vocal presence in the Paradox quest is practically nil
It's not like she was scheduled for a sound booth appointment every day for weeks while also doing her director duties

[nova harness]

You didn’t say how many lines you just said new lines

[low badger]

None of this is even relevant to the topic of "Will DE release a live update at the Game Awards, as they have done in the past?"

[nova harness]

You said she had none

[low badger]

That wasn't me, but yes, she had 5 lines.

[nova harness]

You said she hasn’t recorded any new lines since becoming lead director

[scarlet basalt]

i think she was trolling
But at this rate i think she is unsure bcz there may be bug that can crash the game maybe ?

[blissful bay]

As long as cross save is sound and there is no threat of account damage they should be fine

[low badger]

True, they might have a progstop or crash problem.
It's also possible the update is ready right now and they are waiting for TGA to release it.
From the outside looking in, we simply have no idea. They are still Heads Down For Update mode, but that might just be a facade

[low badger]

I'm sure they have backups just in case something goes wrong, but as a Founder I'm scared of being the guinea pig xD

[blissful bay]

Yea that would hurt so much

But for the crashes it wouldn’t be the first time it’s come with an update so we can hope

[low badger]

Oh for sure. Playing on launch day is as much learning how to work through bugs as it is actuallyl earning content.
To some degree, I even enjoy that. Makes it more engaging tbh

Provided the bugs aren't something that affects your progress/rewards, that sort of thing

[blissful bay]

I think the buggy nature of warframe updates are good because it reduces development time and we can test for them

[velvet wing]

I think the bugs are less about how long they develop and more about the state of QA, not to mention regardless of how long they test and refactor as soon as you go from a small team of people testing to hundreds of thousands of people playing bugs will be found.

[low badger]

DE will always publish bugs, because they have like 20 internal testers, and however many millions of players doing stress tests after that.
DE has super good data collection for finding bugs and stuff after release

[scarlet basalt]

maybe,
The "great plague" (mentioned in mire's description) is where warframe 1999 start ?

[obtuse gyro]

or not

[scarlet basalt]

Tbf i think of that just because of two weird description :

[...]with multiple swarms converging on ships and colonies.

Its origins are uncertain but there is historical evidence of a similar outbreak before The Collapse.
From the infestation lore
A relic from the Great Plague, the Mire Infested sword is a brutal weapon
Maybe this is the "similar outbreak" ?
From the design of the mire, it seems to look like warframe's 1999's type of infested

[obtuse gyro]

the mire and the CRT infested look like infested because they are infested

the only distinguishing feature of the crt infested is the crt, obviously the infested bits look like infested lmao

[scarlet basalt]

i do hope that this will be the great plague era
It would be funny to see how they literally go from lore from years before 😭

[obtuse gyro]

we're not dealing with linear time so

[obtuse gyro]

plus "before the collapse" means any time before the tenno killed the orokin, so like, its at any point where the infested were rampant enough for ballas to develop the helminth from

which we know was a thing during the old war so

[scarlet basalt]

i guess, would love to see more lore about infestation in WITW
Even tho netra cell may solely focus on MITW (rebb mentioned "Vault of knowledge" which i think it will be lore)

[low badger]

WITW isn't part of 1999 directly though.
The Spoiler archives or whatever the lore entries from Albrecht are might have some mention of them though

I'd say 1999 is going to be alternate dimension wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey nonsense though. I don't exactly have a handle on all the timeline stuff that happened, but I don't know that the Orokin were in power at the time, and I don't think the Infested were conceptualized until then

[scarlet basalt]

To think that they will put a reskinned codex inside the game (but for quest)...Which would be weird if you couldn't access it to your codex

[low badger]

There's already the Vitruvian though, I guess?
And then there's the Albrecht Diaries in the Necralisk.
It'd be a simple thing for them to just have Ordis 'transfer' or remote access the terminal. Making quips like "What is this file structure? Did a madman make- oh, right."

[scarlet basalt]

It's pretty funny that we can't access vitruvian through a decoration 😮 (like how you can interact with grandma's decoration or nihil's oubliette)
I guess the albretch diaries putting it in the necralisk and not as a specifics decoration/Codex things make it more otherworldly i guess

[scarlet basalt]

WITW seems to be like a "quest but it's a trailer for 1999 patch, but like you will know why you will go "back in time" "

[low badger]

Well we need WITW to set up what happens to start 1999 so we don't really know how it's all gonna start until we finish WITW

1999 is 2024 content, not part of WITW remember

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC in devstream 175 they've said that there is a little bit of 1999's gameplay

oh no, they've literally spoiled their quest about ||"meeting arthur"|| 💀

[nova harness]

Where?

[scarlet basalt]

https://youtu.be/-gb0NnIQSk4?t=1965

So weirdly it could be that maybe...
The computer are literally the new syndicate ?

[thick jolt]

Nah megan had a freudian slip she called them people before correcting to individuals or smth similar

[nova harness]

The syndicate seems to be Loid and Loid

[low badger]

Wait, so 1999 actually is part of WITW?
I thought they said it'd be 2 different quests before

[scarlet basalt]

It seems to be a "part" like you'll play like the demo then you die
Because you're late

[nova harness]

WITW might lead into 1999

[scarlet basalt]

trying to find where you hear that it's hard 😭
IIRC meg said that they're not humans

[thick jolt]

It certainly wont be a huge quest but surely there's more to it than the trailer

Like i doubt its only loid
And i doubt it will end as quickly as the tennocon trailer

[thick jolt]

Ill check again

[scarlet basalt]

ngl it feels like it will be a 1 hour quest

[velvet wing]

It was when she was talking about the Cavia or whatever I vaguely remember it but not her exact wording

[scarlet basalt]

omg it would be crazy if the syndicate
IS literally the big vessel 😭
Like, that thing is not human, and is an individual, and it seems to be intertwined betweens 2 timeline (1999 and current)
But it wouldn't make much sense since AOI is most likely the women version in the lab shown

[low badger]

It'll probably be a lore-heavy and cinematic quest, so get ready for a bunch of story elements and cutscenes.
We also know it's coming with at least 3 game modes. If each game mode is present in the quest, that's a minimum of 3 missions, with walkthroughs/lead-ins and instructions.
An hour might be a bit modest

[nova harness]

Wall man wants to fight us

[low badger]

Imagine it's a data repository and the rewards we get from it are 'unlocking' memories in its archive xD

[scarlet basalt]

IMagine if its :
Quest : 1 hour
Reading lore/listening to lore : 3 hour
Like a heavy lore in the lab, it would be crazy

[low badger]

Warframe: The Movie

[scarlet basalt]

It would make sense, it'ss like how we've got lore from zariman/necralisk iirc

[low badger]

You can access this on the website rn
It'll probably have some quest-locked differences in game though
https://www.warframe.com/news/operator-report

[nova harness]

Cavia are the greatest spies in Warframe history

[velvet wing]

They said it'd be available in game at some point

[nova harness]

With the quest on the pc probably

[low badger]

Of course. It's Albrecht Entrati's data terminal (computer)
It'll be right there in the new hub, 100%

[scarlet basalt]

Greatest bcz how the hell do they know about the indifference's growing stronger and we've opened a literal portal

[thick jolt]

44:37 in the devstream
"You will meet these peeeeo... individuals"

[low badger]

Pea Individuals
The new syndicate is a bunch of pea people
Weird, because we already have pod people

[nova harness]

Peeeeo?

[low badger]

Also, anyone remember the Myconians? Are the Myconians doing okay?
HAS ANYONE CHECKED ON THE MYCONIANS?!

[thick jolt]

Megan was just mentioning how she wouldnt spoil stuff and she almost calls the cavia people

[scarlet basalt]

lovely that we didn't rescued them from literally being swarmed by the infested ❤️

[nova harness]

I hope the Cavia teach us how to spy properly

[low badger]

Well iirc we kind of gave them an infested oracle who could hide the colony from the infested by making the infested think that they were already infested?
Idk, I played it on release. So much lore from Warframe is one-and-done or gets retconned I can never keep it all straight

[nova harness]

I thought Oro was the only retconned lore

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl the cavia knowing so much about things and their "continue to monitor" things sounds like a robots that is travelling through the void and eyeballing everything, keeping everything in checks and particularly MITW's motive
Like a necraloid
But a robot...It would be hard for them to open/close a portal without an immense power from it

[nova harness]

I wonder if there will actually be more files

[scarlet basalt]

totally
IIRC they've said that this will do a recap on every quest
Because they monitor us, so they know everything about us surely

[nova harness]

Even that Warframe and Operator are separate?

[scarlet basalt]

I think yes ?
On the web page iirc they've said that "part of our abilities were restored"

[nova harness]

The Operator is a TENNO.
A TENNO was a specialist warrior in service to the Orokin, the masters of the Origin System.
The TENNO piloted WARFRAMES, suits of sophisticated battle armor.

They know too much

[low badger]

The files we have access to literally call us Operators

The first file is literally Operator.txt

[scarlet basalt]

I just thought of now SOMETHING EVEN WEIRDER LOL
Like a tiny retconned things :

On the border of charted space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilization. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in peculiar alliance with the Tenno.
What if they're just sentinel's hivemind 😭
Like hear me out, they're the only one who was accompanying our tenno literally everywhere

[low badger]

What if the Cavia... are our Sentinels?

[scarlet basalt]

yeah that's my point...
Which would be funny
But i doubt because well, some sentinels are just adapted to for example : Orb vallis's temperature
So like it would be weird but it could make some tiny sense

[low badger]

Oh I got caught up on chat and you said same thing lmao

[nova harness]

Helios would be the perfect Cavia

[blissful bay]

It makes sense

[scarlet basalt]

It would kinda make sense that the sentinel would be literally cavia but someone while disagree and i will be proved wrong, and we will wait for why

[low badger]

It makes tons of sense. We just got the taxon Sentinel added to the New Player Experience, and Ordis became a glorified Sentinel now too

[prime lantern]

Red hearing perhaps

[prime lantern]

I am of the opinion that they are failed nercaloid experiments

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC : REbb said that " Whispers in the wall will recontextualise a lot of lore" ?

[scarlet basalt]

I too think that

[prime lantern]

I doubt albretch would use untested methods on his boy toy

[scarlet basalt]

never use that term again 😭

[nova harness]

Cavia need to make a file on themselves

[low badger]

I wonder which came first: The discovery of the Sentinels or the 'Necroloid Experiments"

[prime lantern]

I'm not wrong am i

[scarlet basalt]

true

[nova harness]

Cavia making files on others they should make a file on themselves

[low badger]

I'm reading through them now. The files were made by the Cavia, right?
Well, this file has the author refer to themself as "This device"

[blissful bay]

They might not be allowed directly in case of a data leak or the void

[scarlet basalt]

Tho they could be "rejoiced"
Sentinels are enigmatic on a weird way ngl, they're found somehow and friendly to only the tenno and seems to cannot get touched/corrupted by the void
Necraloid can't get touched by the void, so i guess they would be the same ?
Maybe, if they share the same hivemind of information, like being linked to send the information to one place (i guess a server) , it could make sense that both of them could be from a big storage units with giga bluetooth/memory ?

[nova harness]

It might not be but it’s the most likely theory since we don’t have any info

[obtuse gyro]

"this device" is in reference to the computer

[prime lantern]

The device is a computer

[obtuse gyro]

Who said sentinels cant get touched by the void??

[scarlet basalt]

Me bcz i don't know if they ever got corrupted

[nova harness]

Albrecht made Windows 1999

[obtuse gyro]

So basically, you made that fact up

[scarlet basalt]

It was revealed to me in a dream

[blissful bay]

The void told me

😂

[nova harness]

Yonta told me

[scarlet basalt]

i mean, i think of that bcz well, i haven't seen my carrier killing me in the void

[nova harness]

That’s just gameplay

[blissful bay]

Aren’t they just sentients

[scarlet basalt]

But i doubt ngl cavia are sentinels, it would be strange to be guinea pigs, but it wouldn't be strange at the same time 🤔

[obtuse gyro]

No?

The closest we get is "they look a lil like sentients because they have an organic look to them" but that doesnt apply to enough sentinels to make the sentinels sentients

[blissful bay]

Ah fair

[prime lantern]

The first sentient was a starfish

[nova harness]

If they were Sentients they would’ve activated attack mode on us

[scarlet basalt]

But if you need to find an operator that has void power, you wouldn't attack it 🤔

[nova harness]

Don’t all Operators have it tho

They aren’t hard to find

[blissful bay]

They could be like the infested and might have different hive minds (if they have any)

[low badger]

If they were entering the information into the terminal in the lab, then it could only be Loid, who is basically a machine as well at this point. Nobody else is supposed to have access.
IF it's someone entering the data remotely or sending it to the terminal, they wouldn't have said "this device" since it's not what they are putting the data into.

[obtuse gyro]

Except you think only loid is in the lab

[blissful bay]

I don’t think loid remembers the labs

[low badger]

Unless it's that 3 story tall statue, I don't think anyone else is. Unless it's his cat, but the cat astral projected or whatever with Albrecht

[obtuse gyro]

But loid doesnt know about the lab because the protocol hasnt triggered until the last entry

[low badger]

It could be a fractured consciousness that is carrying out the orders without Loid knowing about it. Loid never ventures far frm the Necralisk so it could maintain a remote connection

[obtuse gyro]

Youre only basing it off what we've shown lmao

Its been extremely clear DE is hiding the cavia, you cant base who wrote it on what we've deliberately not been shown

[obtuse gyro]

The computer itself states that necraloid is locked out until kalymos is triggered

[scarlet basalt]

The computer tell us about the fact that the necraloid has suppressed memory until the kalymos sequence is activated, sound strange but okay

[nova harness]

Was the clock meant to be the key to the lab because it seems like a waste to just drop a clock into the void for nothing

[obtuse gyro]

When the entry says "this device" serves albrecht, in contrast to every other line that says "us" "us" "us", its hard to assume that the author, who we can safely assume to be the cavia, is not referring to themselves but the computer they're typing on

[scarlet basalt]

"The lab are sealed"
Maybe it was a way to keep out MITW from doing assault on the lab ?
Like by luring them everywhere and nowhere
But now that they can assault the lab somehow (the indifference threat is in a critical level), it's meaningless to put the clock

[nova harness]

But you see him in the lab

[low badger]

I think it was meant to be a red herring, a distraction.
Someone would break into the lab, find the clock, and think "This! This is Albrecht Entrati's masterpiece!" and steal it without ever considering to destroy it.
The only way to open the lab to the greater treasure trove of information and technology is to know that the clock is nothing.

[blissful bay]

In the case of the lab needing to be accessed it’s going to be more vital to open the lab than to keep direction in the void

[scarlet basalt]

well yeah now that the indifference pose a critical threat, it would make sense for him to literally go inside the lab i guess ?

Love that they sacrificied a retconned lore bcz iirc Steve said that the void clock was maybe something entirely different than a key 😭

[low badger]

Technically it was the lock lol

[obtuse gyro]

??

[blissful bay]

Yea did Steve say that

?

[obtuse gyro]

Did steve actually say that or was that revealed to you in a dream again

[blissful bay]

[nova harness]

Elfeist has some weird dreams

[scarlet basalt]

iirc steve said that the void clock would be something for people that goes deep in lore
Which then was never mentioned
Let me check that on that one tennocon
https://youtu.be/QZriHdUG_Q4?t=1338

Oh nvm the "cosmic clock" is just a name,like there is nothing on it, i thought steve said something else

[nova harness]

He said it’s just a name?

[blissful bay]

Doesn’t this clock help navigate the void?

[scarlet basalt]

He said : "If you're in deeply passionate about warframe, huhhh, the cosmic clock, the special void word [...]"
I thought it would mean that it would go deep into the lore
But seems that it didn't ?

[nova harness]

He should know names have meaning

[blissful bay]

Steve is more confusing than the fnaf lore and the Warframe lore put together

[thick jolt]

Isnt he just teasing the albrecht logs ?

[scarlet basalt]

If wiki is right and that :
The cosmic clock : "A very large Entrati clock that tracks infinite moments through timespace."
And unum : "Ostrons believe she sits at the pin-center of the universe, listening to the infinite poetry of cause-and-effect."
Look like it's the same ?
@thick jolt Yep he is, but the mention of cosmic clock misguided me 😔

[obtuse gyro]

Just because one device is capable of reading a timeblock doesnt make it the same as the unum

[blissful bay]

The unum is an entity and as far as we know the clock is not

[nova harness]

That description from the wiki is what the decoration says

[scarlet basalt]

Then loid throw it into the void
I guess there are others in the real lab 🤔 ?

[nova harness]

There’s others in iso vaults

But they broken

[scarlet basalt]

broken and dead 😦

[obtuse gyro]

Theres cosmic clocks all over the place

[blissful bay]

Most likely albrech doesn’t seem to be one for a lack of preparation

[nova harness]

I’m sure as long as we keep the heart everything will be fine

[blissful bay]

Well if that necromech doesn’t come back we will be fine

What if that mech is part of the new syndicate

[nova harness]

It can’t I beat it in a 1v1 and it got so sad it threw itself into the void

[scarlet basalt]

Tbf, surely other tenno got tasked to defend the heart
It wouldn't make any sense for the entrati to not order that

[obtuse gyro]

That one was under control by grandma so we dont have to worry

[blissful bay]

Wait what

[obtuse gyro]

Grandma orchestrated all of that to get the family back together

[blissful bay]

Why did it go for the heart then

[nova harness]

She’s evil

[blissful bay]

Is that actually what happened

[nova harness]

Yes

[blissful bay]

I hate this game

[thick jolt]

She implies it at the end dialogue

[blissful bay]

She is worse than wally

[obtuse gyro]

Not really no

Wally is much worse

[nova harness]

Did you hear about the story of Belric and Rania?

[scarlet basalt]

I just thought : but with current warframe's funny idea to give weapons from quest
Nataruk was REALLY Good
Broken war IS really good
Skiajati is REALLY good
Rumblejack is really good for finisher build
Sirocco
Wouldn't the grimoire be OP ?
Like since we go on the territory of "endgame" type of content

[blissful bay]

I was joking

[blissful bay]

Yes it was a sad one indeed

[thick jolt]

Dunno but it will be fun
They mentioned some sort of tome exclusive mods in the devstream

[real niche]

Broken Scepter and Orvius are also really bad.

[scarlet basalt]

we're going to see 600 void base damage and 40% crit chance with 3x crit dmg and it would be crazy
But it also mean that they may tweak the void damage if they go that route

[blissful bay]

I thought it was going to be electric damage

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, we've already seen the stats lmao just look at the last dev stream they accidentally showed it off there