spoiler-chat

[obtuse gyro]

Well yea, deimos was in the void the whole time before heart of deimos, they had to come out because the heart was failing, so they definitely have the ability

[solar monolith]

Bruh. I didn't know that detail lol. Noob me at the time was too busy processing where the hell I was when I first landed in Deimos

[unkempt zephyr]

or maybe sentients just weren't interested in an fully infested planet

infested is also quite a problem to sentients aren't they

[trim condor]

How does the infestation work? Is there a difference between the infestation on different

planets?

[flat shadow]

It's complicated. There are different strains, but some strains might infect multiple planets.

[trim condor]

is deimos infested different?

[flat shadow]

From what, specifically?

[trim condor]

the other strands. like why are there wildly different creatures on deimos?

[flat shadow]

All the strands are different from all the other strands.

[unkempt zephyr]

pretty sure deimos was an orokin lab or sorts, then something went wrong

[nova harness]

You haven’t even seen them all yet there’s gonna be new ones below

[trim condor]

in wispers?

[nova harness]

Yeah Murmurs I think they’re called

[flat shadow]

I thought they said those were void beings?

[trim condor]

could be a new enemy type

[unkempt zephyr]

tau

[nova harness]

It is a new enemy type

[unkempt zephyr]

so, like void + infested?

[nova harness]

Maybe

[trim condor]

and the new weapon type for that is a book?

[flat shadow]

Yes, book weapons are released with WitW

[nova harness]

We did have that one Nora podcast episode that involved Infestation

They were afraid

[trim condor]

how does that work? magic? smacking them with it?

rea+d5489

damn it

[trim condor]

my puppy hit the number pad

[unkempt zephyr]

good boy

[flat shadow]

It looks like a spellbook. The gameplay trailer showed the warframe open the book and glowy things damaged enemies.

That might change before release, but I doubt it will change much.

[unkempt zephyr]

i c, medieval magic vibes

[nova harness]

The book is Harry Potter stuff

[unkempt zephyr]

I'm expecting a librarian like warframe to come out along with it

[trim condor]

so we are one step closer to wf being a dnd campaign?

[flat shadow]

Eh. Not really. More fantasy. Medieval 'magic' is slight of hand and murder.

[flat shadow]

Not until we get wands.

[trim condor]

thats the update after wispers

[nova harness]

I was hoping the book would’ve been more holding both sides open and massive void blast coming out

[trim condor]

like sol gate but void damage?

[flat shadow]

I didn't see that in the WF1999 trailer.

[unkempt zephyr]

or void beam that looks like sol gate

[nova harness]

Yes sol book

[unkempt zephyr]

[flat shadow]

Maybe we can get incarnons and that's how it works.

[trim condor]

outd+69*-.

[unkempt zephyr]

so, is qorvex going to be a male frame?

[nova harness]

Qorvex?

[unkempt zephyr]

the name of next frame?

idk, check dev streams

[trim condor]

this puppy man

[nova harness]

That’s a weird name

[trim condor]

outside duviri?

[flat shadow]

I think they used masculine pronouns when they discussed the new frame during the dev stream.

[unkempt zephyr]

will vorqex be better

[nova harness]

Yes

[flat shadow]

Dunno. There is plenty of room for more incarnons to drop in Duviri still.

[unkempt zephyr]

my friends are calling dagath derby

[nova harness]

I wanna see more Duviri islands doing an appearance

[unkempt zephyr]

more frame to farm in duviri and gonna work like kullervo's hold

[trim condor]

playable dominus thrax

its what the people want

[unkempt zephyr]

no, I'm not gonna play as some arrogant kid

[trim condor]

with full controll of duviri

[unkempt zephyr]

still nay

[nova harness]

Imagine a Dominus Thrax mode like Arkham Knight had a death match game mode where you could play as joker and as bane but Dominus Thrax goes around doing void stuff

[unkempt zephyr]

[nova harness]

Oh so you’ve never used Operator?

[unkempt zephyr]

they're different

[trim condor]

"my warframe is strong" dies

every time

[unkempt zephyr]

it's cringe ngl

and I've been using drifter since their release

[trim condor]

maybe just maybe we could get bombastine as a playable frame

[nova harness]

Drifter is basically Operator Prime

[trim condor]

not wrong

[solar monolith]

Yoooo Kahl is alive? Nice

[nova harness]

Will confirm Veso isn’t

[solar monolith]

Noooooo

[nova harness]

There’s new nodes you need to unlock to get SP after New War btw

[nova harness]

Also have you done both post New War quests or just Kahls?

[solar monolith]

Angels of Zariman and Veilbreakers? Done

[steady gate]

Good!
That means you’ve unlocked Archon hunts to steal their magic Jolly Ranchers and stab yourself with them

[nova harness]

You’ll have to re unlock steel path tho

All Zariman nodes

Do you think Whispers will make us have to re unlock Steel Path again?

[steady gate]

I doubt it.

[solar monolith]

So, is the Unum and plain of Eidolons permanently looking wrecked now? No green plains anymore?

[nova harness]

Yes

[solar monolith]

Nooooooo

[nova harness]

And Fortuna

That’s red forever

[solar monolith]

Damn you, Ballas!

Btw, now I can customised Kahl.

Now what do I do with him?

[nova harness]

You rank up his camp

Go up to him

You can play as him

Complete all challenges you can get credit and buy a bolkor that unlocks Air Support that brings Kahl into your missions

[solar monolith]

Huh. Neat

[rain otter]

also

his Shop sells a archon shard each week.

[cobalt spindle]

yo guys which incarnon out of Boar, dread or strun would be the better choice?

[obtuse gyro]

I say strun

[steady gate]

They’re all different weeks, why not get them all

[cobalt spindle]

i got them all

[trim condor]

Is it worth it to grind for a week on entrati standing or for mr to get a higher standing cap?

I need helminth

[nova harness]

Helminth 10000% worth it

[trim condor]

So I'm happy with the abilities on my frames and don't want to swap even one out so whats in it for me besides a place to put non prime frames?

I main kullervo for reference

[nova harness]

Slot space and Archon Shards

[trim condor]

How much do shards give?

I've got 2 azure a tauforged azure a tauforged amber and I think a crimson

[nova harness]

They all give different stats

You get different stat options in different colour shards

[trim condor]

Oh

how much better is a tauforged than a regular?

[nova harness]

Not too much better but still worth getting

[trim condor]

so I should be focused on that and not placing my 1 million conquera decorations

[nova harness]

That’s up to you

You have completed Kahls quest right?

[trim condor]

I have rank 3 or so camp

I don't play that much even though I should because I got the free styanax on release

[nova harness]

Well the reward for completing that quest is Helminth Archon Shard segment

[trim condor]

I have that

I need the other two to use it

[nova harness]

Yeah you should get Helminth

[trim condor]

/'

laptops are hard

[nova harness]

It unlocks the room forever

[trim condor]

I figured

do infested cysts matter or is it just something to mess up my capturas of my frames?

[nova harness]

You could buy it on the market if you’re lazy

[trim condor]

too expensive

[nova harness]

The cysts just infect other players who haven’t cured their frame yet

[trim condor]

cured?

[nova harness]

Yeah

[trim condor]

whats that mean?

[nova harness]

Nidus

Nidus infects players

[trim condor]

what? so playing with a nidus is how those apear?

[nova harness]

Then player infects other players with a growing cyst

Yes

[trim condor]

do they do anything else?

[nova harness]

They can make a pet

[trim condor]

how so?

[nova harness]

Helminth Charger

[trim condor]

oh the infested dog

[nova harness]

Yes

[trim condor]

aren't there resources ment for feeding the helminth?

[nova harness]

Yes

[trim condor]

like thats all they do?

[nova harness]

Well most resources feed helminth

Feeding him ranks him up

[trim condor]

what about orokin cyphers? I was trying to figure that out while getting some corrupted mods

[nova harness]

Can Helminth eat cyphers?

[untold surge]

Arent orokin cyphers for lua spy bypass

[trim condor]

its all the wiki said they could do

[nova harness]

They bypass Orokin encryptions

[rain otter]

Yes.

[rain otter]

Their original use doesn't exist anymore so it's just helmith.

[trim condor]

are they at least good at it?

[rain otter]

The ciphers they aren't bad for that.

Just follow the like rules of Helminth you can't feed the same thing more than like twice or a day or it becomes not worth it.

[trim condor]

another thing should I be collecting frames for mr and helminth yet?

or is it better for weapons

[rain otter]

What?

[nova harness]

Helminth can’t eat weapons

[trim condor]

mr from weapons or get frames for it and save for meat mouth

I worded it wrong

[rain otter]

You can level the frames and then feed them to it.

[trim condor]

I don't have him yet

I need mr though to use some of my rivens

[rain otter]

Oh no not rivens.

[trim condor]

I'm just saying I have mr 13 and higher rivens I want to use but can't because I'm a fresh mr 12 so is collecting and leveling frames for mr to feed him later better than farming weapons for mr

[rain otter]

I just don't like rivens at all and I think Helminth is way more useful.

Cuz no content needs rivens.

[trim condor]

I have a wolf sledge one with 200% cc

I know its just luck but I'm either going to sell it to buy a weapon or frame I need or just keep it and use it

[untold surge]

Cant you do both weapons and frames at the same time

They really dont feel mutually exclusive

[rain otter]

also that.

[trim condor]

I can but the slot prices add up fast

[untold surge]

I mean a frame is worth 2 weapons

In terms pf xp

[nova harness]

Frames 6k weapons 4k

[trim condor]

you can't really craft 23 frames in a day can you?

[nova harness]

Yes

[trim condor]

without trying to get their bps?

[nova harness]

You just might not have enough slots for them

[trim condor]

I did gorgon drakgoon and stuff like that

[nova harness]

There’s 95 Warframes so 23 is easy

[trim condor]

Only prime frames I have is wisp and gara ones from just having the relics and the other is tennocon

prime weapons were bought

[nova harness]

It all depends on how far into the game you are and how much RNG blesses you

[trim condor]

I haven't had to roll a riven past 20 yet

got 2/4 of wisp p bps first relic

I think either rng is in my favor or I haven't been playing long enough

[thick jolt]

3k for weapons
4k for tenet/kuva
6k for most of the rest
8k for necramechs

[solar monolith]

Btw, after choosing Drifter or Operator in New War, Ordis and the Orbiter magically gets restored. How did that happened?

[wild wind]

Ordis had downloaded himself into a temporary body. His real body was always the ship.

Bringing him back was just a matter of rebooting the ship.

[nova harness]

Can a Cephalon even die naturally?

[high cosmos]

I'd assume that if they degrade enough, they'd be near useless, which I would assume is like dying for them.

[wicked iron]

Not even a fully synthetic computer system can last indefinitely. Everything breaks down, eventually. Good ol' entropy. Unless they use Archon Shards to sustain themselves, since they have anti-entropic properties. I'd have a whole slew of other questions if Cephalons started playing with those, though.

[rain otter]

We cut to the Cephalon Ordis with 3 big archon Shards in him.

[obtuse gyro]

given how Simaris expresses surprise that Ordis is still around, yes

[uncut junco]

Aren't ordis' glitches also caused by continued degrading of his components?

[nova harness]

He had a crack in him when you could see him as a Cephalon

[steady gate]

It’s a hologram we see, he’s not physically cracked.
Instead, he learned who he was and deleted his realization, repeatedly, between the Collapse and when we found him, as he couldn’t bear to kill himself and fail us

He had mental breaks many times, and poorly patched them up

[rain otter]

He's fragmented as well cus like grinner where in the ship before we where.

[graceful zodiac]

The Grineer were just taking apart the ship, they didn't damage him

[solar monolith]

I have a question about a scene in New War.

When we made the deal with MitW, countless copies of us seemed to pass out or died.

Did we just killed our countless variations in the multiverse when we struck that deal?

[rain otter]

That's the consensus yes that we when we made that deal made only 2 universes "real? true?" idk the word but basiclly by making the only there was only the Tenno and then the Drifter timeline.

[solar monolith]

But why?
What's the point of killing our other versions?

[rain otter]

cuz the like deal was like "save us" or like "get us out of here" during the Zariman.

and i guess those where the terms.

[solar monolith]

I know. But is really necessary to wipe out our other versions just to save this version of us?

[rain otter]

I mean we also make a verison of us that never gets out so SHRUG.

i mean to be FaIR if i was stuck in the Zariman in the void with like Void horrors and people going mad i wouldn't be thinking logically.

like It's easy for someone to be like "that doesn't sound like a good deal" when we look on it but imagine being in that. also MITW probably didn't tell us that is that deal we where making.

it was probably just "hey make deal with me and i will get you outta here".

[solar monolith]

No no. I mean why 'kill the other versions of the operator' part.

[rain otter]

cuz the MitW wanted to i guess.

[solar monolith]

Is he just doing this for the lols or something?

[rain otter]

seemingly.

Choatic Evil i would say.

[solar monolith]

Welp. There goes my fic idea of a separate version of the Tenno aside from the Drifter

Also, if the Drifter is the version of the Operator that never got out of the Zariman, how can he use the void energy?

[prime lantern]

Potentially

It may have been an inverse equal of baros deal

Instead of making them all the same you just kill them all and then technically every version of you is the same

Cause your the only you

[solar monolith]

Well that's screwed up

[prime lantern]

However we don't really know what the deal truly did

There wasn't a contract nothing to read

Just 2 lines

[solar monolith]

So there is still a chance of another version of us that still exists besides the Drifter?

[obtuse gyro]

very very very very unlikely thanks to the deal

[wild wind]

Possibly! Most of them were wiped out/fused into the version of you that made contact with the Drifter though

So, yeah, unlikely.

[solar monolith]

I'll just put that under label as "0.01% chance of happening." .Unless DE completely confirms it.

Or did they?

[wild wind]

DE don't confirm nothin'

[obtuse gyro]

except meto's death

[wild wind]

Oh true Leelu's dead, yeah

[solar monolith]

I'm confused about the change of dynamics between Erra and Ballas. Before the New War, like in the Prelude, Erra literally had Ballas on a leash and I assume he had forcibly change his lower body to that of a Sentients to mock him

But in New War, Erra is now working for Ballas.

How did that happened???

[wild wind]

Off-screen, basically

[steady gate]

It was always an act on Ballas’s part.

Implied by when Erra drops the leash

[solar monolith]

Including the sentient legs he got?

[wild wind]

Natah did actually break Ballas, but Ballas is a super manipulator and Erra was very open to manipulation

Basically Ballas used Erra to get out from Natah's thumb, then collaborated to remove her entirely from direct control over the armada

With every step Erra and the Sentients saw more and more success, and Ballas was given more and more influence, until Ballas was in control of the whole System and Erra was just his enforcer

[solar monolith]

So, the Sentients adaptation ability. Do they can only be immune to one thing at a time?

Or is that just a gameplay thing, and in lore they can be immune to multiple things if they aren't killed instantly?

[prime lantern]

They can't become outright immune just dam resilient

[solar monolith]

Ok. Resilient. But can they be resilient to one thing at a time, or multiple things at the same time for a long time?

[obtuse gyro]

its not even a gameplay thing, you can see them stack resistences to multiple damage types if you take too long to kill them

what the gameplay thing is is that they can only stack 4 resistances

[steady gate]

Something that is barely seen in gameplay is that the Sentients can take over any advanced technology; we only see this during the Naho section of New War and during Octavia’s Anthem.
In actuality, they could probably take over any corpus gun and make them not work. Plus ships, robotics, and Cephalons would be useless

This is why all the prime weapons that exist are low tech; there’s nothing for the Sentient to control if it just uses gunpowder

[solar monolith]

Naho???

[obtuse gyro]

Teko

[solar monolith]

You know how Mother keeps saying " What HE is up to." Whenever we got to Isovaults. Who is she referring to? Son?

[main panther]

I have the same question

I thought she's talking about Deimos, Infested basically

[obtuse gyro]

she's talking bout her dad

[main panther]

Oh he's alive?

[solar monolith]

Wait what?

[obtuse gyro]

at least

I believe she's talking about her Dad

some might think that shes talking about Father and Son, but those two don't really have much motivations to be in the iso vault area do they

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht Entrati? of course he is

[main panther]

Wait that's her dad? What I thought he's like way older

Like way more generations off

Well that makes way more sense

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, they're mostly blueskins, they live for a very very very very long time

[main panther]

Oh right

[solar monolith]

Average orokin lifestyle
-Hedonism
-Get old.
-Catch some poor schmuck and steal their body
-Rinse and repeat

[main panther]

I love Albrecht's outfit he looks so cool, and doesn't look that old, if that is the original Albrecht

[fleet veldt]

He could be the Wall-Man. He could be Albrecht. He could be both and have a bizarre personality to match the quantum state a la Schrodinger's Cat except with additional uncertainties we cannot fathom besides the question of whether it's in the box, alive, dead, or not.

[orchid remnant]

maybe he's kalymos and they switche bodies

you never know...

[amber terrace]

I don't know if this idea has been mentioned yet but perhaps the body we see Albrecht inhabit during the demo cutscene of Whispers is the body Albrecht wanted to die in? Like I understand that in the Necraloid room audio file whatsits, Albrecht said that he wasn't gonna take the kuva now or ever again, but what if he made an exception here because he wanted to die in a certian body/knew he wasn't gonna be getting up after switching bodies?

[fleet veldt]

Nah, the big bodies - vessels - are more likely intended to be anti-Wall Warframe analogues, considering that Loid Prime described them as something that needed a specific sort of pilot the empire didn't have.

[prime lantern]

The Vessels are certainly odd

Albrecht was either given knowledge of the future regarding the tenno or just made then

[amber terrace]

Pardon my confusion here, I was referring to Albrecht possibly switching from the body he kept on living in after his first voyage into the void to the body we see him lie down in the casket thingy in the whispers cinematic demo during Tennocon 2023

[prime lantern]

Or didn't leave until the end of the old war

[fleet veldt]

He likely knows more than he's 'meant' to due to Eternalism and having been 'everywhere' - even into Yonta's dreams - as well as being(?) the Wall-man.

[graceful zodiac]

He'd need no knowledge of the future, all the vessels would require is a type of neural interface. Or just use the same kind of set up Necramechs have and we can just plug in.

[amber terrace]

What’s the odds that DE is gonna put all the Eidolon/Orphix arcanes in the operational supply for Gargoyle’s Cry similar to what they did with Scarlet Spear?

[wild wind]

Were OV and SS the last two operations?

[rain otter]

I hope they do. They also did it for Orphix Venom.

[rain otter]

I think so.

[wild wind]

There's precedent then

[amber terrace]

I will not lie, I completely forgor 💀 Orphix venom was a thing. I didn’t have a necramech at the time and couldn’t be bothered to grind for one at the time, but I wanted Lavos so I bought his bundle lol

[rain otter]

I made mine for the event.

And leveled it during it.

I am a Oprhix Event defender though.

[amber terrace]

All I remember about Arcanes in Orphix Venom was that DE put the Eidolon Arcanes in the Orphix Venom drop pool and that when I asked about it some time ago, the general consensus was that grinding for arcanes through Orphix missions was so unoptimized that it would be faster to do 4x3’s every night in Cetus without fail

[rain otter]

That's the mission not the event.

But yeah.

[steady gate]

The Orphix mission scales so fast, with a new Orphix dropping every 60 seconds
You need a full squad of well build mechs to stand a chance of getting arcanes

[rain otter]

Don't do that mission.

Do anything else.

[steady gate]

Yeah

It would OKAY for the scaling speed

if each Orphix wasn’t like 300m away from each other

You’ll burn through the allotted time slowly just by traveling.

[amber terrace]

All I know is that if DE puts arcanes in the operational supply of Gargoyle’s Cry, I’m getting myself an Energize and a Grace

I only have them at rank 2

[steady gate]

Barrier and Aegis for me; they are being stubborn about dropping

[amber terrace]

I got them during Scarlet Spear and when I got them, they immediately went to my Hildryn

Hopefully DE adds them to Gargoyle’s Cry

[ruby pumice]

They most probably will!

[amber terrace]

I hit max rank with the Entrati a few days ago and I did an iso vault expecting different dialogue, but I got the regular dialogue instead? Will this dialogue change with Whispers?

[rain otter]

no idea.

maybe(?) it's been like this since launch.

[wicked iron]

That seems to be intended as pre-War Within dialogue, but I also get that when I do everything in Iso Vaults, including the Loid escorting.

[kindred surge]

im pretty sure i got that dialogue too before and im max rank end game

[graceful zodiac]

You always can get that dialogue

[balmy badger]

IIRC, that dialouge always plays if you finish the bounty without opening the vault door.

[flat shadow]

I usually see it after I open the door.

[solar monolith]

Will Wally still haunt me even after New War?

[thick jolt]

Forever and ever

[solar monolith]

Noooooooooooo

[nova harness]

Until you find a way to kill him yes

[solar monolith]

Is there even a point in killing him?

[prime lantern]

There's a point in not killing him

Until we can understand what he is and how he functions killing could potentially remove our powers or cause the void to vanish

[torpid lantern]

It's not something to worry too much about since I don't think we have any means to kill him completely at all

[nova harness]

I have a few ideas

[wild wind]

First we transferrence into Harrow....

[graceful zodiac]

And that only keeps him locked away at best

[prime lantern]

To kill him definitely isn't a matter of just firepower

[nova harness]

My idea was kill him in his physical form since it worked for Albrecht kinda

[graceful zodiac]

He doesn't have a physical form though. Not one constrained by wounds

[prime lantern]

Depending on the tone of his question regarding where his fingers are would give us clues as to how to defeat him

[prime lantern]

But I doubt destroying whatever physical form he takes would trouble him

Perhaps we have to draw him to the real world in full

None of this half baked illusion stuff

[compact haven]

He'd just find another means of manifesting until he's drawn out of where his power is sourced.

[coral grotto]

I think we shouldn’t kill the man in the wall because the point of the man in the wall is he is an unknowable god and we are mere ants to him

[prime lantern]

Or that's not the point

To claim to understand what the man in wall is would be ill-informed everything is a series of guesses based in so very little information

[lone axle]

Hey, so, is it just me, or are the coins floating off of the door for anyone else?
They were like this in the whispers demo but it seems new

Also the clock has a lot more particles about it.

[obtuse gyro]

its been like that for a long while tho

[autumn turret]

since tennocon i believe

[lone axle]

really??
i thought it was only the rap-tap-tapping that was there for a while

[amber terrace]

You can also still go down the well whatsit that the clock thingy floats above and activate your warframe

[nova harness]

Yeah I remember doing that while Tennocon was starting wearing Harrow

[cinder steppe]

Okay theory: Wally is breaking free and we have to contain it just like Albrecht and Rell did. Drifter will stay behind so that he and Kahl will keep Narmer in check.

[obtuse gyro]

1. Albrecht never contained wally like how rell did
2. we are already containing wally like rell did

[cinder steppe]

Well Rell sealed himself off in an eternal sleep within his Warframe until he become restless. Albrecht was seen entering a pod with Loid sealing the pod off as well. I think we might be sealing ourselves off as well and we would have to find Albrecht Entrati within this dream

But this sealing off might be sort of permanent hence why the Kalymos Sequence cannot be undone

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not really an accurate understanding of what happened

Rell himself says that we're doing what he's doing at the very end of the quest

[cinder steppe]

That we would have to do what he is doing.

Not that we are already doing it.

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, given that Rell had to do what he did ages ago, albrecht, who doesnt have our powers, going into a coffin doesnt seem like it did what you claim he did

Additionally, the context in which rell and albrecht "seals" them off are completely different

Albrecht's body is in a physical box, rell's soul is in a warframe

Plus the very fact that Wally appears to us, and seemingly only us, suggests that we have taken on rell's load

[real niche]

Wasn't there also a comment at the end where it's like "oh now all Tenno carry Rell's burden" or something to that effect

[obtuse gyro]

Because its been quite some time since rell passed, and if all of wally's efforts currently is him being "free", it begs the question why theres even any mention of wally still being "trapped"

[obtuse gyro]

Their counter argument is "oh he said they have to do it, not that they are doing it"

[cinder steppe]

Well we first heard the man in the wall already since the War Within. Ever since then our encounters with him have been slowly increasing, until the New War where we first got to see him in his full form.

[obtuse gyro]

Wally was still contained by Rell during War Within

[cinder steppe]

Yes but we heard his voice

[obtuse gyro]

Offloading his burden to us

Means obviously we'd encounter wally nore

And then in the New war we up and made direct contact and a deal for that matter

Wally is still trapped/contained, but he's fighting pretty well

[cinder steppe]

And we weren't the only ones who saw it. The Lotus saw it, and then there's all the lead up teaser to Tennocon where multiple people had weird encounters from it.

[obtuse gyro]

Note that all that occurs after we made another deal with wally

Your premise says "wally is breaking free" the premise itself implies that something is containing wally already

And the only thing that fits that description now is you

[cinder steppe]

Albrecht. My theory is that Albrecht is still containing it. But he struggles.

On his own at least

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht's last seen was funny enough in duviri and not inside his coffin

Unless for some reason he exits duviri, returns to real space, finds human loid and says "smash my coffin"

And then proceeds to confuse everyone where he's gone

Or the more linear alternative: smash coffin, enter duviri

[cinder steppe]

There's all over Duviri as well as within the Zariman content that it's beginning to break into our world and we are having to contain it.

[obtuse gyro]

Problem then becomes: albrecht has none of our void powers. Albrecht only has the void tongue. Given the state of his deep void lab, whatever he has is not working

[cinder steppe]

Well Duviri is an island within the void that exists seperately from Warframe's main timeline.

[obtuse gyro]

Not that compelling of an argument

At no point do I mention the difficulties of time in a macro sense

[cinder steppe]

My theory is that that perhapse happened while he's inside of his coffin. He sealed away his real world version and now only his void version exists.

[obtuse gyro]

The closest you can get is time from albrecht's point of view

[nova harness]

Do you think Albrecht actually died in Duviri?

[obtuse gyro]

No lol

[cinder steppe]

No

[nova harness]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Wally decided since he’s dead let’s take his body for a spin

[cinder steppe]

I think he went on his weird void adventure and we have to find him and seal away our real world bodies so that Wally can't control it.

That void adventure just happened to cross through Duviri as well

[nova harness]

Our real world bodies?

You mean Operator and Drifter?

[cinder steppe]

Yeah. I think Wally have been using it as a vessel to gain access to the real world.

We've seen us getting the Wally eyes during the Erra quest. When we were floating around the Lotus and when right before we shook our heads on board of Praghasa.

I think Wally took Control of us when we had that dream like memory and took us to Praghasa.

[nova harness]

Yeah that’s my theory for the Wally eyes we had

We actually had the same eyes in War Within

Wally did a Gaze Accuse Deny on us

[cinder steppe]

Wally is getting more and more powerful and dangerously close to breaking free (this is why he is knocking within Deimos). The Kalymos Sequence is a sort of emergency plan in case this is about to happen which will include contain it's main vessel and finding Entrati (who himself became a vessel after his void expedition and sealed himself away to limit access to our world) within the void.

[next zealot]

Has how wally benefits from the deal he made with us been mentioned?

What do we owe him?

Also what if what we owe him becomes a large part of whispers

[nova harness]

No
We don’t know
Possibly

[prime lantern]

Something

[next zealot]

:0

[nova harness]

Wall man mysterious

[abstract trellis]

“The Meridians awake. The vital pentatonic.”

What does that mean

I’ve heard the Helminth say it so many times now I’ve just been tuning it out but it just occurred to me I still have no idea what that means. I think the first time I heard it I assumed it was referencing some lore I hadn’t come across yet but at this point I think I’m up to speed on everything

[wicked iron]

Meridians could reference ancient Chinese medicine and qi, but honestly no way to know with a creature like Helminth.

Pentatonic... The only thing I can think of for that is the pentatonic scale, but Helminth doesn't seem particularly musically inclined lol

[abstract trellis]

Yeah it’s a pretty odd statement

If there’s no explanation for it now maybe there will be in the future

The Helminth might have some insider info as an infested and be trying to warn us about something

[rain otter]

Do you need to feed it?

[next zealot]

The only meridian I can think of are what Minion135 mentioned, and steel meridian

[solar monolith]

So, Drifter has been living in the Zariman for god knows how long all by himsel?

And somehow surviving the void angels sleeping there?

[prime lantern]

Drifter hasn't been living in the zariman?

[fleet veldt]

Drifter's been in Duviri the whole half-time; only during New War and the Paradox does the Drifter become 'finalized' in terms of how their existence is at the destination we know as 'now'.

It's a bit like that with other Void-addled things like Relics, Albrecht, and anything that's been MIA in the Void. A bit like Lua.

[cerulean echo]

Had a weird thought just now about what the rarest thing that can happen in Duviri is

[nova harness]

Wdym?

[cerulean echo]

Correct me if im wrong but possibly the rarest thing that can happen in Duviri is getting Stalker with HIS weapons Dread, Despair and Hate

[nova harness]

That’s probably the rarest thing, yeah

[prime lantern]

That is just as rare any arbitrary combination of weapons I come up with

[wild wind]

Direct comparison: Gara with her full loadout

[jagged lake]

so we have kuva weapons for grineer liches, tenet for sisters, what do you guys think infested lich weapons will be called?

[rain otter]

Scrimblo.

[jagged lake]

i mean, its much more common if you already have the weapons

[obtuse gyro]

Zealot perhaps

[jagged lake]

yeah something tells me we havent seen the last of arlo

[next zealot]

I love the scrimblo

Perfect name

[wild wind]

I've said Apex in the past and I still think it's good. Fits in to the infestation's biological and evolutionary theming

[prime lantern]

If we get sentient rivals they'd definitely get "adapted" title weapons

[wild copper]

If infested liches don't get the "peepeepoopoo" weapon title, imma have to uninstall

[woven bramble]

Duviri is a parallel world where time flows differentely,it's true that both escaped duviri but the outcomes are different just bcs one accepted wally's offer and the other didn't

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, OP doesnt get stuck in duviri like drifter so

[rain otter]

That's not true. The operator would have never been to duvirir cus the Drifter made Duviri.

[nova harness]

When we chose Drifter where do you think Operator goes?

[coral grotto]

Brazil

[obtuse gyro]

inside

one body, two void silhouettes

[nova harness]

Inside Drifter?

[obtuse gyro]

one body

[nova harness]

I was thinking he just went to the Zariman or another location

[obtuse gyro]

oooone body

[real niche]

Drifter and Operator are the same person after the handshake during the Lotus fight.

Quinn says as much.

[nova harness]

Same person different timelines that’s true

But I doubt Operator goes into Drifter

[real niche]

Not the whole truth.

[nova harness]

What’s the whole truth?

[obtuse gyro]

^

[real niche]

LITERALLY the same person now.

As in the same entitty.

[nova harness]

How could they talk to each other tho?

If shaking hands just made them the same person that happening doesn’t add up

[real niche]

That was the whole Drifter flickering out of reality thing at the table

Because every time the whole "two of the same person from different realities can't be in the same reality" trope is envoked, there has never had a case where the effects are immediate for narrative clarity.

[peak tapir]

I thought one stayed in the dormizone?

[nova harness]

They don’t tell you where the other actually goes

[peak tapir]

Do they just fuse like power rangers or something or we just never know

[nova harness]

Well

Quinn says something about it

Saying he perceives 2 void silhouettes inside of you do you know which one is the real one

[peak tapir]

Yeah that’s what i was referring to

[wild wind]

It's probably something like quantum superposition

They occupy the exact same space but you can only see one at a time

[peak tapir]

Ohhh

[nova harness]

How did we see both before when they were talking?

[wild wind]

void shenanigans

[peak tapir]

Prolly something like that, area they were in was just immune to the paradox effect or something

[wild wind]

Not immune, they just had a little bit of time being separated before they had to recombine

[nova harness]

It wasn’t as Drifter started disappearing

[lyric onyx]

well doesn't void daddy say on the zeraman tablets in duviri [Under the bridge between Mathila's Farm and Moirai Crossing]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you.

-----------------------------------------(to drifter).
And i think we got send to durivi when ballas murdered us and cut space mommy hand off sending it throught a void portal cause didn't teshin crush in durivi (Hermit's Landing ) after his encounter with ballas in the new war quest shortly before us? it think we always been connected but never been to duviri before ballas "Gave us a helping hand" therefore never encounter them till then. i also think space mommy made a deal with Lohk(Wall of Bone/Void Daddy) like Drifter did, to save us and the origin system. Might be why she talks to both drifter and Operator during the end of the new war. When Picking between Lotus, Natah & Margulis, she admit the same void glow for her body that we do when speaking as (drifter/operator) is why i think she's embody externalism like we do.

[lyric onyx]

And duviri Seems to be somewhere were void daddy wants to take over. theres little hint in the lost islands lore and one the tablet he mention one of them [Behind a bush south of Fair Shores Hamlet]

25. What invaded the Galleria?

A. There is no such place

B. Nothing you need to worry your head over .

Maybe Duviri has some-sort of power that help the drifter talk with our Tenno abit during that cutscene where we have to pick between the two.. there's also the possiblity that cause they're in the void and time basically doesn't exist there, so they were able to do that conversation there for a short time without timeline crossing or whatever?...

Maybe Durivi acts as a second "Wall of Lohk" or something. I mean even the VIP of the next Update was in Duviri for abit and even made a lab, maybe his lab had something to do with that interaction?.

" Albrecht is presumed to have appeared in Duviri as one of two known outsiders. Dominus Thrax allowed him his to construct his own laboratory, which resided on an island dubbed Scholar's Landing. The stranger mentioned that Duviri would be needed in the future, and that there is a work of repentance that he alone cannot not do, before mysteriously vanishing along with the island.[2]

It would seem that the denizens of Duviri have not forgotten Albrecht, and constructed an empty grave for him[3], which can be found deep in a cave near Fort Wyrmsoul."

[lyric onyx]

tho to sum it up i think its timeline shenanigans with a dash of void that made it that we saw both there.. I believe if ballas didnt cut the lotus hand off, drifter would still be in theyre endless cycle of death and would have never meet our Tenno.

[real niche]

Like I said before, name me one media where the "two of the same person can't be in the same reality" trope immediately causes issues the moment the two of the same person meet up

[obtuse gyro]

I'll respond to this in a sec

[obtuse gyro]

1. Your point of "well doesn't void daddy say on the zeraman tablets in duviri [Under the bridge between Mathila's Farm and Moirai Crossing]" doesnt really hold up well, because that is a cheeky tongue in cheek reference to how wally's deal saved everyone, but our Variant, because in another timeline he didnt accept the deal, simultaneously fulfilling "I saved all of them, I didnt save you"

2. The Lotus/Natah is the mimic queen. It is more than likely that her toggling between forms is more towards her ability to shapeshift. Unlike what happened to drifter and us, she genuinely has 3 "minds" in her: Natah, the remains of margulis, and the Lotus. What most likely happened is DE reused the transformation asset. When we embody eternalism, we do so because we're the result of 2 timelines fused into one. But what lotus is doing, as stated in the dialogue, is choosing one of these "minds" or as per the dialogue "voices" to lead the rest. These voices arent a part of a separate timeline, they were introduced in the same timeline and same space into one body

[lyric onyx]

That actually a fair point, I must have misread the vibes with the deal with Wally and us...

but about the lotus tho, if she's not void touched like us then how can she talk to drifter and the Tenno at once at the end of the new war? or can people like "The HoldFasts" see our second half as well and not just feel the presences of our sec half??. i get that those 3 minds are from our timeline, but at least The Lotus/Margulis and Natah being a split could make sense tho cause Natah would have never became the lotus/margulis if we never got saved from the zeraman right??.

[obtuse gyro]

well to answer your questions:

then how can she talk to drifter and the Tenno at once at the end of the new war?
We're toggling right infront of her, there is one body speaking to her, but we're toggling back and forth from the OP and drifter

i get that those 3 minds are from our timeline, but at least The Lotus/Margulis and Natah being a split could make sense tho cause Natah would have never became the lotus/margulis if we never got saved from the zeraman right??.
The problem is, all of them wont exist if we never got saved. Natah was made in response to the Tenno. Without us being rescued (remember in the drifter's timeline only he survived hence his mourning of people in durivi), there would be no message sent to Tau about the tenno, natah would not have been made, she would not have been implanted with Margulis's mind/memories and she would have never become the Lotus.

[lyric onyx]

I forgot/didn't know she was made in Tau. I thought she was apart of the "crew" that went to make Tau livable for the orokin cause of the void and its affects on her kin??

[lyric onyx]

and i've always took it as she was talking to both at once cause we don't do that with anyone else, not even the Acrithis who seem to know whats up with the drifter..

but it could just been them taking turn saying something to the lotus but its still weird that thats the only moment we do that tho

[obtuse gyro]

but we are taking turns, thats why you'll notice theyre in the exact same spot

[lyric onyx]

Its still odd that we only do that talking to the lotus (On lua am guessing right?) and not with the Acrithis or anyone on the zeramen. why do you think we only do it with the lotus in that scene 🙂 ?

[obtuse gyro]

not on lua

[obtuse gyro]

because this is the first time in the game that we're shown that we can toggle at will, which goes into the customisability option to toggle

additionally, I'd wager we're demonstrating to the lotus how we can have one body with two "minds" and not breakdown like she is

[lyric onyx]

True, I like that better...We're basically trying to make space mommy feel better lol

[lyric onyx]

What about the second theory I said. do you think thats a possibility or did i miss key parts that doesn't add up with what I said ? 🙂

[obtuse gyro]

Sorry for late reply but theres not really a need for duviri to act as a second wall really, the archivist talks about the wall, and its what separates duviri from reality. Drifter and OP talking is just void doodas because they haven't been linked yet

[cinder steppe]

So I have a new player account on Playstation. I wanted to see how it current new player experience feels since my PC account is 10 year old and I experienced the story in order of the updates getting added instead of the order in which you play

The game is doing sort of a good job leaving breadcrumbs of the Sentient threat building them up as the big bad, with the Plains Of Eidolon being a good introduction. It is where you first get to see signs of a war that took place long ago. It shows you drawings of Tenno fighting things, and the you see bones of those things scattered all over the place. And it's also where you first hear about the Sentients although you don't know what they are yet.

However my problem is that I don't think most New Players are aware of all the breadcrumbs

[nova harness]

They aren’t but there’s always #players-helping-players

[cinder steppe]

Like the Orb Vallis leaves the next breadcrumbs. But the problem is that you would have to explore rather than the introduction quest telling you about them. The Deadlock Protocol does a good job at setting up that something big is coming, the Corpus are arming themselves too the teeth and Parvos even tells you that they need restructuring for a coming threat. However I often see nee players skipping that quest. Which is unfortunate especially since the Xoris is such a good new player weapon. It carried my account quite far even with a lack of mods. And then the next time we are getting breadcrumbs is with the Stolen Dreams quest. One of the Vaults has a big Ropalolyst head and the final message at the end is Hunhows voice Tyl Regor found on Uranus. So it's a good set up for the Natah quest. However it'll be a while before you play the Natah quest after that. And yet again I don't think most New Players would see those breadcrumbs and maybe even forget about everything that happened or outright ignore it. And then there's nothing until Jupiter where obviously something weird is going on. You can see those same bones from the Plains again in the distance and then there are the things in the spy vaults and the Amalgam enemies but I wonder how many players would look at it and think about what is being set up.

Overall I think the story is much more interesting if you have an idea of where the story could go while most people don't. They just see random bad guy doing bad guy things, followed up by another bad guy doing bad guy things and you just kill bad guys while everyone is talking to you and you just do whatever they tell you. And it doesn't get clear where the story is going until the Second Dream.

[cinder steppe]

Yeah well the thing is that somebody already needs to be engaged with the community for that. And what I'm trying to do is sort of review the problem of why a lot of players quit before the Second Dream.

[nova harness]

People quit before TSD because Warframe doesn’t teach you much when you start

[cinder steppe]

I always tell new players to just focus on the quests first and the junctions second.

But I think the story is filled with outdated filler quests that don't really keep your attention to the story.

And there's a whole lot of filler planets that you have to play through.

[nova harness]

But you need junction to focus on quests

[cinder steppe]

Yeah but I mean, play through the quests, and if you're done, you complete the junctions to unlock more quests to play through. Etc

[frail nymph]

Don't know the context here, just that this is the first message I'm reading...

About 1.) though, I don't see how "X didn't accept the deal" is an argument that can go against anything... Cause we don't really know whether Drifter refused a deal from Wally. It is a possibility that can be discussed, but I'm not sure about using it to discuss other options...

The Zariman tablet is more likely a reference to Drifter being the only Tenno from their timeline that didn't get saved/Void powers... At least in comparison to the idea of the reference including the entire operator reality but not taking into account everyone apart from Drifter from Drifter's reality.

Okay I put that in a very confusing way...

What I mean is that if we assume Drifter's universe didn't get powers at all cause deal refusal... Then why does the "all" in "saved all of them" ignore the other Tenno in Drifter's timeline. Why is Operator timeline enough to call it "saving all of them"

[obtuse gyro]

Well for one, if you disagree with the idea that drifter didnt take the deal, which is fair enough since thats an assumption based on what possible alternatives could lead to a drifter/op split, as well as drifter only gaining powers after yet another handshake

You can stop right at the "wally's deal saved everyone but our variant" and the point I was making then still stands

[obtuse gyro]

To me it spells out as such:

We take the deal, we get the powers, everyone does, and we get saved. In a cheeky move of unknown motives (though I suspect it was to give wally a way to break free even easier hence cameo at the end of TNW), Wally spawns off the drifter (+timeline), who doesnt get void powers and in his timeline, nobody gets saved.

This would then fulfil "save everyone" because everyone on the OP's side gets saved and "didnt say you" because drifter, the variant of OP, doesnt

[frail nymph]

Hmm about that supporting point to Drifter taking no deal... I guess in the "Drifter had a deal" interpretation, I would include the interpretation of the NW deal scene... Which is that Operator made the deal on behalf of Drifter, and that the scene was Drifter's past... So the powers wouldn't activate until Operator went and did their job.

[obtuse gyro]

This I agree, in the more, Wally created the situation where OP would retroactively change the events of Drifter's choice of the deal

[frail nymph]

Ah I see

[obtuse gyro]

and then fusing them into one (but two), which clearly benefitted wally somehow because now we have the zariman, and whatever going down in whispers happening

[frail nymph]

But in this you still interpret the dialogue as Wally talking directly to Drifter, right? As in telling Drifter they weren't saved?

I guess all of them could mean only operator timeline if that's what we define them as.

So the whole time Wally was talking about saving operator's timeline

[obtuse gyro]

yes. while also not contradicting themselves with the "saving everyone" bit

because yknow if save "everyone" therefore must include "you"

[obtuse gyro]

thats the idea yeap

[subtle garden]

Back reading this I gotta say there is a reason I willingly avoid talking about that part of the lore

As a famous author once said "generally anything involving time travel is a stupid idea if you are trying to write a coherent story"

Alternative timeline or universe or whatever are just time travel in disguise
I like to imagine that drifter is the canonical version but he can also choose to appear as a children cause he got mommy issue

Which is way funnier

[wicked iron]

Drifter is not the Operator. They are alternate versions of each other.

[subtle garden]

I know he is from "an alternate reality"
It's just that alternative reality as a concept enable so many "what if" scenario it's generally not worth it and I'm not a fan of those

[steady gate]

Warframe also directly showed that literally every other version was killed.
We have the Drifter and Operator, nothing more.

[real niche]

And they're also one person after TNW

[wild wind]

Or the other versions and timelines were fused into you, like they were with Baro

[nocturne kiln]

I have a quick question: Will I ever be able to change Margulis' name back to Lotus?

[near rune]

No option to do that currently, and probably not ever.

[nocturne kiln]

[solar monolith]

So I did Octavia's Anthem (despite the fact I already did New War lol), Hunhow called Ordis as Ordin Kariss?

Is there a way to know more about favourite Cephalon's backstory?

[obtuse gyro]

ordan karis's story can be found on the wiki or on the orokinarchives.com

if you want the in-game method you need to find every single cephalon fragment and then within each entry locate a hidden point which will trigger dialogue from ordis

[solar monolith]

Literally all of them???

[obtuse gyro]

yes, but its cephalon fragments, there are other codex entries out there that dont fall under this

[solar monolith]

Oh ok

This is going to take a while

[obtuse gyro]

you can still find it online lmao

[solar monolith]

I wanna try doing it in game

But ok

[subtle garden]

but if drifter moved between timeline what about other character

see, its a mess, its always a bad idea

[prime lantern]

You are whining about imaginary boogeymen

1. If you paid attention to the new war the timelines are theoretical accessible

I highly doubt we'll have a way to jump timelines at will at most we will be able to follow albretch assuming he's jumping timelines and not going back in time

[wicked iron]

Drifter did also exist solely in the Void since they they were never rescued, though. Likely the only reason we can interact with each other is that.

[obtuse gyro]

like who?

if you want to make a boogieman make them more real

[subtle garden]

what about corrupted Vor

since he is all about the void could he use it to jump to a timeline where he can win and jump back ?

i just dont get timeline stuff

[obtuse gyro]

does vor have the knowhow and ability to traverse the timelines opened up by the void

answer: absolutely not

[subtle garden]

why does the drifter have that knowledge

[obtuse gyro]

additionally thats not the way time works for warframe

[obtuse gyro]

he doesnt, he wasnt the one that connected the timelines

[high cosmos]

They.. don't.

[subtle garden]

so basically he got kidnapped

[high cosmos]

It's by pure chance, from my understanding.

[obtuse gyro]

less chance, more design by Wally

one of the few beings that actually do have the knowhow to do all the timeywimey stuff

[high cosmos]

Ah.

[subtle garden]

i swear trying to understand that is just a bunch of gobbledygook, basically my sisyphus stone

[obtuse gyro]

its really not that difficult

imagine linear time as a block of wood

every bit of that block is as real as the other

what you experience normally, is that you are but a simple slice of that block

thats you in the "present"

the "past" and the "future" are still all real

now what warframe does is that there are also other blocks, similar if not the same

What Wally has done, is link those two blocks together

something nobody, except maybe for albrecht can do or has done

[subtle garden]

"but why would you do that, why would you do any of that" jontron

[high cosmos]

Wally wants to come into our world, and albrecht wanted knowledge.

(At least I think)

[subtle garden]

so albrecht is just like me

[unkempt zephyr]

[elfin idol]

they literally had to give us a lesson on multiverse theory to even slightly understand your not alone

[real niche]

It's literally just multiverse theory though so it's easy to get

[elfin idol]

basically the operators choice to accept the offer killed every other version of themselves aside from the drifter
two timelines
tenno powers
no tenno powers
from my understanding at least

which is slightly terrifying

[wild wind]

I mean, what about them? They don't exist from your perspective. Nothing that they did ever effected you. It literally doesn't matter what happened to those timelines.

Those alternate possibilities fusing into you is the best thing that could happen from their perspective since every other timeline doesn't have the Operator and Drifter make contact there and ends with Ballas blowing up the sun.

[subtle garden]

You can still try I just think that stuff is not for me tovarishch

I think I like logic far too much to ever understand multiverse

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, there is a logic to it

[prime lantern]

Acting as though a multiverse is illogical isn't logical

The multiverse isn't just anything goes because magic anything that can stem from a choice made is possible

There won't be a universe made of anti matter or one with a sun made of cheese

The multiverse has rules

[subtle garden]

But I love cheese

[subtle garden]

Isn't that basically a fancier more wordy version of the "butterfly effect"

[prime lantern]

The butterfly effect is a lesson in causality not multiverse Theory

And the void has no regard for causality

Ain't that something interesting multiverses only spawn from something capable of thought and choices

[woven bramble]

Blows up the sun and settles in the tau system

[frail nymph]

That usually happens cause there's a piece of tech that makes universe hopping ubiquitous and makes every result feel pointless...

Timeline hopping in Warframe isn't gonna be ubiquitous until we figure out exactly what Wally is at the very least. As of now it's just a mechanic to expand the cast of characters involved in the plot, it's not the plot by itself.

[safe dust]

WHY DOES CHAINS OF HARROW HAVE TO BE SO SCARY I HAVE ALL THE LIGHTS ON DUDE

[obtuse gyro]

RAP TAP TAP

[safe dust]

im blocking you for 2 seconds WHY IS IT SO CLOSE TO MY EARS MY SPINE IS SHIVERING

[obtuse gyro]

Im guessing youre only just now getting to CoH? Good luck to you, you best hurry up and hit the new war soon

you'll get some more of this with Whispers in the Wall

[nova harness]

Hey, Kiddo

How bout this one day you’ll get a few jump scares then you’ll look around and might find something

Then one day you’ll be used to it

[elfin idol]

DON'T REMIND ME OF THAT CRAP

[elfin idol]

i did it at midnight

NOT PLEASANT

[nova harness]

Don’t disrespect Rap Tap Tap it’s just your friend knocking at your door

[rose dirge]

I was doing it in broad daylight. 🥲

[compact haven]

I did it at like 3am in the dark

And then proceeded to forget that I set rap tap tap as my notification tone some time after I had completed the quest

[nova harness]

Don’t forget you owe me

[compact haven]

Where are my finger bones kiddo

[rose dirge]

That's the question, isn't it.

[compact haven]

[nova harness]

The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape do you understand? That’s how all this started

[elfin idol]

RAP TAP TAP THE MAN IN THE WALL
is not pleasant at midnight with the lights off

[nova harness]

I listen to it at midnight all the time

[high cosmos]

Alternate title for warframe post TNW: eldritch void demon stalks and harasses some kid and his teenage brother.

[tall shoal]

Me not realizing my operator was js chillin around a corner and seeing a subtitle of "Hey, Kiddo!"

[fading turret]

So how did Ballas go from being literal dog on a leash to ruling the entire origin system? Erra had him tied up and was forcing him to say things, and Ballas was cowering. But then suddenly he is above Erra somehow during New War?

[obtuse gyro]

check the ending of the cutscene, you see erra drop the leash and ballas stand up, all of that was a trick to fool natah

[fading turret]

O OK I didn't see that

Still though why are the sentients serving Ballas?

I figure they'd just kill him and rule the system themselves.

It's not like Ballas can do anything for them. Sure he 'killed' the Operator, but literally anyone could do that.

[graceful zodiac]

They follow him because he's tricked Erra

[fading turret]

How did he trick Erra?

[graceful zodiac]

Or I suppose, more he convinced Erra to side with him

[fading turret]

Ballas: Yo, genocidal invader from another system, let me lead you.
Erra: Why?
Ballas:
Erra: Ok

[graceful zodiac]

Erra is gullible and Ballas just fed into his flaws

[fading turret]

Other people in this server literally say it stupid automod

Then Erra is a damn fool

[graceful zodiac]

He is, yes

[near rune]

There's also a faint implication (to me, at least) that Ballas is controlling Erra to some degree or another. When Natah is remembering her conversation with him, she's pretty sure Erra was killed during the Old War. Erra avoids the topic and hurls her into Praghasa's control throne. If Natah's memories are correct, then Ballas could be the one who brought Erra back to life during the long long period of time where he's just missing from history. Erra could feel like he owes Ballas, or may have even been implanted with commands the way Natah was.
However, one of the main takeaways is that Natah's memories are in fact very disjointed at this time, and this theory isn't supported by any other evidence. The New War also makes it pretty clear that Erra has joined with Ballas out of his own free will.

[fading turret]

On the topic of Erra and the whole 'genocidal invaders from another system thing', I'm also curious as to why Erra had a change of heart all of a sudden towards the end.

He just randomly decides to help the Last Tenno (is the player still called that?) get to Natah before she can get corrupted by Ballas despite the fact that he already tortured her and allowed Ballas to kill her by cutting off her hand and casting her into the rift

He was resistant to Hunhow's attempts to make him see reason the entire time. He tried to kill us several times but it's only after Natah is a half-revivified Eidolon coming after Ballas that he decides he's gonna help?

All in all New War and the Prelude is missing a bit of crucial information. And if said information does exist in the form of Codex entries or something like that, why wasn't it all in the quest front and centre? That's just bad writing.

Its still good though

I liked playing as New War Drifter. And Kahl and Veso.

Being some ordinary dude instead of a legendary unstoppable mythical death monster that many people don't even believe is real, is a pretty cool change of scenery.
Kahl is just some Grineer dude, Veso is closer to a civilian bystander who was just caught up in a matter of necessity than an actual Corpus fighter, and the Drifter is an alternate version of the Operator who doesn't have his powers yet. Just a pistol and a zappy stick.
Teshin gameplay was pretty cool as well, but I hate how he died so unceremoniously and unnecessarily. He kept saying no to letting the Tenno in for no reason.

[obtuse gyro]

Because he finally figured out ballas wont give erra what he wants

[obtuse gyro]

Idk man sometimes the crucial information is there in the cutscene, no dialogue just action

[obtuse gyro]

Note that with most of erra's appearance in TNW Erra was trying to rule Sol, right before we encounter him changing sides, Ballas announces to everyone that he was going to nuke Sol.

So you can guess easily why Erra doesnt like that

[cyan crest]

the last tenno?

[fading turret]

It is a term that I have seen in the Wiki as a name for the player character. You yourself are 'The Last Tenno'. I assume it's an archaic/outdated name considering the game is ten years old and the lore has changed massively since the beginning (Warframes are still called 'armour' - "Masters of the Warframe armour" - in a Codex entry or the wiki page for the Tenno faction)

[cyan crest]

it’s definitely inaccurate given how we’re definitely not the last tenno

i said definitely twice

[fading turret]

He didn't seem to have a problem with destroying the sun in the beginning seeing as he has a literal sun eating warship in his fleet.

Maybe he eventually changed his mind after seeing how amazingly unhinged Ballas is

[obtuse gyro]

My guy thats his mom and the ship that carried all the sentients there in the first place. Her role wasnt to eat the sun from the get go

[fading turret]

Bro had a meltdown over literally one person (Drifter) not bowing to him

[compact haven]

Someone's parents never learned to say no

[obtuse gyro]

The reason why praghasa can eat the sun is because she was meant to consume materials to turn into resources for the sentients, which ballas co-opts to eat the sun

[obtuse gyro]

So no, erra does have a problem with eating the sun

[fading turret]

Oh aye

Wait

The solar system devouring Warship is Erra's mother???

[cyan crest]

yeah, it’s the mother Natah and Erra keep talking about in Sacrifice and the preludes

well Erra doesn’t talk about her in Sacrifice but Natah does

[obtuse gyro]

Its not just a warship

Behold Praghasa

[cyan crest]

even Pazuul mentions her as mother

“carcass of my mother, flame devoured… behold me” or something like that

[fading turret]

[Insert Yo Mama Joke]

[cyan crest]

"Bones of my father, fathom drowned...behold me. Carcass of my mother, flame devoured...behold me. Limbs of my children, piecemeal, unblinking...behold me."
Pazuul
god i love these lines

[obtuse gyro]

While not confirmed, Praghasa's design comes from concept arts of The Original Sentient

[fading turret]

Oooo

[obtuse gyro]

The one sent to Tau

So not only is she a sentient mothership

She is the mother ship

[cyan crest]

i don’t fully agree with that given how Natah and Pazuul specifically talk about Hun and Prags but it’s a possibility

i mainly believe they sent a couple of specialized sentients that then split into more but not just Prags
hence her being a carpenter and Hunhow a farmer
they were sent in a group to take care of various tasks in Tau, and then split into the entire species

[fading turret]

Doesn't Hunhow say the Archons are Erra's children?

[cyan crest]

but that’s just my theory

[fading turret]

Or is that just a word used in place of 'made by him'?

[cyan crest]

he said he made them
pazuul specifies that “the mother and the father made the beasts, and the Ram was to rule them” or something similar
erra took the beasts’ bodies after they died and spliced them with warframes, making the archons

[fading turret]

Aye

[obtuse gyro]

Yea no thats fair, Im just saying that if the relation between the concept art and prag's final design is true then prag would be whats left of the mothership

[cyan crest]

makes sense

[solar monolith]

Is there lore for thr Archons?

Are like, the Sentient parts aware of their current state being fused with Warframes, etc?

[cyan crest]

the thing I said is mainly because of Natah’s comment and how it’d make sense to send more specialized sentients to do various jobs instead of just one that’d split

[cyan crest]

the sentient parts are the consciousness
the warframe bodies are not aware, the beasts are in control

[near rune]

Yes, the Sentient parts are aware, and they are not happy: "On Tau, the Owl was solitary. He seemed to think himself above us and recognised the Ram alone as an equal. To be mutilated like this, turned into a weapon, was humiliating for him."

[elfin idol]

if natah adopted the tenno as her children and her brother erra made the archons doesn't that technically make them cousins in a roundabout not really kind of way

[solar monolith]

If you wanna stretch it that way, then yes

But in a sort of..frankenstein-esque kinda way

[elfin idol]

like I kinda sorta not really

but wouldn't that mean that new war is just one massive family squabble with moms ex

no I'm not high I just have ADHD

[balmy storm]

Warframe: Family Drama

[elfin idol]

one giant family sitcom

[deft rampart]

if adoptive children can be viewed as someone's cousin

boy do i know some people who are cousins with cats and dogs....

[elfin idol]

i mean thats how it would legally work if pets were considered children

[safe dust]

ay I need help finding warframe traces in the sacrifice quest
im somewhat colorblind (no seriously) and the color of the synthesis scanner and the gloe of objects kinda blends onto the same colorscope for me

[frozen stump]

Im not sure if/how much it will help, but I think there is a colorblind filter in the display settings to change up the contrast?

[safe dust]

in past that. part im stuck on is tryna face umbra as just the operator. I dont like playing as operator its not fun

[frozen stump]

oh, that part is kinda tricker because its a lot less forgiving that most of of the rest of the game. Id focus on taking it slowly, using cover and void mode to heal.

[safe dust]

he sees me in void mode

[obtuse gyro]

@safe dust you are able to shoot umbra yes?

And then after a certain point you deal 0 damage yes?

Once it hits that point, void sling into him

[safe dust]

Im done for the night. blocked the three stooges i have a headache. but thanks tho. Im on the last part i think

I jus wanted to avoid spoilers but mentioning amps was confusing cuz I been gone for mad long

[obtuse gyro]

In that case then my advice should be in the correct spot. One more thing, after you void sling, press your transference button near him, that should wrap up the scene. The game should ideally tell you this, but given the likelihood of gamers being too focused to notice the hud Im telling all the same

[safe dust]

And its not even "after a certain point". I know what the stun looks like for me to void sling into him, problem is I just dont do enough to his shields fast rnough before I die and restart

[obtuse gyro]

Hm, for this void sling should be able to put you in the tree in the area where you can be safe

[safe dust]

What safe area, is in the void. Its all open

[obtuse gyro]

Its a terrible bit of the quest, where underpowered amps, and "unfocused" (in that they have not invested in the focus tree) operators dont have the means to blitz umbra

[obtuse gyro]

Hm? Isnt this in the lua tile?

[safe dust]

.....yeah its lua

all looks the same to me tbh

[obtuse gyro]

The room youre in should have a tree iirc, you should be able to sling yourself onto the tree, I've done it before, before sling was sling, so it should be easierish now

If not: if theres high ground take it

[safe dust]

naramon has a thing called opening slam, gonna invest in that

[rain otter]

Zen is probably better than that.

For fighting Umbra.

[safe dust]

i dont have any zen lenses

I have three naramons that I use cuz Im purely melee focused

[rain otter]

You don't need Zen lenses unless you don't have Zen unlocked.

[obtuse gyro]

Theyre still at the sacrifice, chances are they dont have the trees all unlocked

[rain otter]

Okay.

[safe dust]

I dont. just naramon and unairu

ok so I unlocked opening slam, how do I use that

[rain otter]

It has a description what does the description say?

[safe dust]

performing a slam as operator switches you back to the warframe and grants double combo gain for 10 seconds

I aas assuming that even without being able to use a frame for this part thst I could still use it. Guess not.

Im watching a video on it, radial blind is just an instant death.

[solar monolith]

So how did Pazuul ended up possessing Erra's body?

The way Erra worded his last words during New War said that the third Archon was the last

So how the heck did Pazuul came along?

[nova harness]

Did he say it was the last?

[solar monolith]

"ARRRRRG!!! The Final Archon....."

Or was Pazuul a rejected one? Too crazy to control?

[nova harness]

Maybe when he said the final he meant final we face

[solar monolith]

🤔

[nova harness]

Or maybe Pazuul was built by someone else

[solar monolith]

Narmer loyalists I suppose

Ngl, can't blame them

Aside from the Tenno, the other two major factions are crappy as heck.

In Narmer, they can live in bliss. False bliss, but bliss nonetheless

[nova harness]

It’s implied Pazuul was put into Erra by Praghasa

[solar monolith]

But I though Granny Phrag's mind died long time ago

[nova harness]

The Mother and the Father shaped the creatures. The Owl. The Snake. The Wolf. And the Ram, who ruled them all. It was glorious, and the creatures were content. The Ram smiled among new creations' blue blades."

That actually explains your main question

There was a 4th

You abandoned me. In the hour of my sacrifice, you turned your face away. And so, there is no place for you in the eternal fields of Tau

[rain otter]

This would be before they where Archons

[quiet tapir]

Ballad and tenshin is dead

[graceful zodiac]

Ballas yes. Teshin is not.

[obtuse gyro]

Teshin, still alive in the cave: STOP TELLING EVERYONE IM DEAD
Tenno: Its almost as if I can still hear his voice

[fading turret]

Do we get missions where we play as Veso-R, like we play as Kahl?

[nova harness]

No

He got blown to bits

[fading turret]

oh he WHAT???

NOOOOOO I LIKED HIM

[nova harness]

For Profit." The ship fires into the heart of the Murex, destroying it as the resulting shockwave causes the Corpus Ship to break apart, killing Veso

[fading turret]

RIP Veso-R

[vivid cobalt]

What the hell are you thinking

[obtuse gyro]

My brother in void that was from the start of the year what do you mean

[vivid cobalt]

What

[quiet tapir]

People in fortuna can never have children

[vivid cobalt]

Not exactly

[quiet tapir]

Y ?

[nova harness]

There’s children in Fortuna

[vivid cobalt]

If they still have the old parts they can...

[quiet tapir]

[near rune]

They explicitly talk about having children: "We can't afford to pass on able hands. Not at the rate we breed."
Also where do you think the Ventkids come from?

[quiet tapir]

From the vent ?

[obtuse gyro]

my brother in void, the vent cannot give birth to real children

[near rune]

They are born from Solaris though

They're Solaris children

[quiet tapir]

Yeah the Vent are for sus people, so vent kid are actually impostors ?

[nova harness]

No Protea is the Imposter

[quiet tapir]

But she live in a golden hand not vent

[supple dagger]

Not that we know

[obtuse gyro]

<@&778745217037238293>

[velvet quest]

On it

[vivid cobalt]

What

[velvet quest]

Something that was a problem.

[unkempt zephyr]

lemme guess, bots raiding the server?

[craggy solstice]

And then the spider was friendly.

[fading turret]

I just realised one of the Archon's boss fights in New War happens in Alad V's arena

I didn't notice but did now, that you pass through the lab that always spawns before Alad's arena

Oh it's Nira. I remember

The Mag Prime Snake Archon.

[near rune]

It doesn't always happen there. Each Archon has a few large tiles where they can spawn, and the Archon Hunt will pick two for the fight (because there are two stages). Alad V's laboratory is one of the possible tiles but won't always get picked. It's just standard map tile generation like in normal missions.

[fading turret]

For the New War quest specifically or all Archon Hunts?

[near rune]

Ah yeah I was talking about Archon Hunts. I think the quest missions have predefined layouts (not random generation), but I never fought Nira in the quest (I saved her for last so she doesn't appear in her normal arena). I do think you're right that in TNW it chooses Alad V's laboratory as one of the tiles.

[fading turret]

The first tile was the big square room with square glass pillars in the corners and a big square glass cube in the centre. The next was Alad's boss room where the Stalker arrived to finish the Archon for me and handed the shard.

[fading turret]

I left the owl until last I think. It surprised me to know that despite Nataruk being called the only thing that can pierce an Archon, I deleted that dude with the Gotva Prime lmfao

I actually expected Sirocco to work just as well considering the Void is toxic to Sentients and Archons are part sentient

Then again, they're also part Warframe which focus the Void so

[rain otter]

Also Nira calls upon Amalgams in the fight. Well the sortie thing.

Also Archon Hunt Archons aren't annoying to fight anymore yay.

[scarlet basalt]

I love that amalgams are in nira boss fight, they make the mission worse
Because they can fully heal nira

[rain otter]

I mean the fight is ten times easier and more accessible so it doesn't matter as much now but before I would agree.

[scarlet basalt]

New archon player seeing Nira fully heal because of one moa that is smelling the floor

[edgy kettle]

New night wave rewards

[dark cargo]

still waiting for kalashnikov prime

[supple dagger]

Anyone have any interesting last theories they want to share before the devstream Friday?

[rain otter]

We knew this.

This is how I know people don't read all the patch noted and announcements.

[near rune]

I think it's more to show off how the new cosmetics look in-game. We were told of the new rewards but not really shown them.

[rain otter]

Oh I clicked out before then my bad.

[fading turret]

Is Erra dead?

[wild wind]

Nope

(unfortunately for him)

[fading turret]

As of New War

[wild wind]

Yup, not dead.

[fading turret]

I will never believe that he is dead. The dude survived void beams from six different Tenno but dies heroically sacrificing himself holding up part of a collapsing ship?

[wild wind]

Sentients don't die normally, since their consciousness doesn't break down.

[fading turret]

Hell nah

[fading turret]

Oh really?

Where can I read about that

[wild wind]

Every "Sentient" you fight is a part of a bigger sentient

[fading turret]

Does that mean Hunhow having a connected consciousness out of every part of himself is true for every Sentient?

[wild wind]

Yup

[fading turret]

Oh cool

[wild wind]

That's just how they work

[fading turret]

I thought that was specific to Hunhow.

[wild wind]

Point is, if you rip off a Sentient's head and stick a different Sentient on it, you haven't killed the original

[nova harness]

You see a part of lotus in Natah quest

[wild wind]

Hence why Pazuul's so crazy

[fading turret]

So that's how Amalgams work

And Archons

[wild wind]

Yeah

[fading turret]

Awesome

[wild wind]

Each Archon was something bigger. They're just fragments now.

But Praghasa (it's implied) ripped off Erra's head and substituted Pazuul's.

[nova harness]

How did Hunhow get into the Ocean?

[wild wind]

Given what we know, he presumably let himself be shot down over Uranus as part of the plan to disperse the fleet and come back later

[fading turret]

Eternalism

Accidentally hit send lol

[wild wind]

He needed to be intact enough to not go eidolon, while broken enough to convincingly hide

[fading turret]

So by way of Eternalism, the Drifter is the Operator if they weren't saved from something. What is that something? The Paradox? Or the Zariman?

[wild wind]

That's the Paradox, yes

[fading turret]

As I understand it, the Drifter made the Paradox. Is that false?

[wild wind]

That the two alternate paths met, in order to continue their path

It is false, the paradox is a paradox because both sides initiated it

[fading turret]

Also is the Operator we get control of in New War, the same Operator that Ballas struck down, or a different one?

[wild wind]

The Operator doesn't exist without getting the Lotus hand from the Drifter, and the Lotus hand doesn't exist without the Operator

It's the same operator, yes

[fading turret]

How did they survive getting stabbed in the heart?

[wild wind]

Tenno are extremely hard to kill

[fading turret]

Is that what Ballas meant by 'you can't kill the devil'?

[wild wind]

It's possible, but Ballas was lazy and didn't launch them into the sun properly

Or artificially age them into dust

[nova harness]

Tenno are immortal but can die

[wild wind]

He made the mistake of thinking that a void bath would obliterate the Operator instead of letting shenanigans happen

[fading turret]

To think we haven't seen an Operator go full void power beast mode yet. All we've seen is gameplay abilities and the occasional void beam and transference.
Imagine if they decided to run hands and go full Dragon Ball, warping everywhere and moving stupid fast.

[nova harness]

Imagine trusting the Void

[wild wind]

That's probably what Wally wants

[fading turret]

Like even with a base Void Sling you can travel quick.

[wild wind]

Once you break causality you can't get it back

[fading turret]

I remember seeing something along the lines of "I saved them, all of them. Never said I'd save you."

[wild wind]

That's one of the Duviri tablets, yeah

[obtuse gyro]

if you mean the paradox specifically, thats false, if you mean duviri, then yes

[fading turret]

Also now that I think about it the Tenno are probably a few steps away from becoming Void Angels.

[obtuse gyro]

not really no

[wild wind]

Different paths

[fading turret]

Aye

[obtuse gyro]

Tenno are very much alive as compared to the holdfasts who are dead, and are at risk of turning into angels

[wild wind]

The void angels are made from already dead consciousnesses

[fading turret]

Ah yeah I forgot about the "being dead" part lmao

[prime lantern]

Also our existence silences wallys song

[obtuse gyro]

the Tenno are changed, the Holdfasts were made

[prime lantern]

So we're not at any risk of becoming a void angel

[nova harness]

Wally can sing?

[wild wind]

It's a real shame there's no way to help the lost Holdfasts

Yonta talks about reconstruction of the past

I wonder if DE's holding that idea in their back pocket for a Zariman expansion

Introduce new NPCs via "saved" void angels

[prime lantern]

That'd be cool

It may be possible

[nova harness]

Didn’t we save the Holdfasts?

[prime lantern]

We did

[wild wind]

There used to be thousands

[prime lantern]

Our existence silences wallys song

If we applied ourselves we might reverse it

[nova harness]

Wasn’t it the angels that were making sounds?

[prime lantern]

No the requilliry driven was the source

[fading turret]

So I guess I understand why the Undercroft has a lot of the Zariman in it

Zariman is wedged inside of a void field of some kind. I reckon the other side of it is the Paradox

[wild wind]

The Drifter turned his Zariman into Duviri

[obtuse gyro]

the other side is Duviri yes, thats why you can see duviri if you look at the rift

[nova harness]

You can see the Paradox from the Zariman

[wild wind]

But it's still connected to the Zariman because... Well, it is the Zariman

[fading turret]

"If we remove the Zariman from the rift we'll be seeing void storms from here to Venus"
Void Fissures in Pluto:

[fading turret]

Yeah I thought so.

So the Zariman is what's keeping the Origin System and Duviri from imploding on themselves and each other then

[wild wind]

Or something

We genuinely don't know quite what's going on there

[fading turret]

Do you think it's just the two planes themselves being incompatible with each other, or the rift connecting them together?

[wild wind]

Closer to the latter

The void is more of an energy dimension than a physical place

[fading turret]

So is the actual Void on the star chart just a small piece of it that exists in the system?

[frozen stump]

Imma try to explain it but Im not sure how accurate this is: imagine reality is a matress, and the void is like a fitted sheet over that mattess - sometimes holes open between the two, or they kind of overlap - thats void fissures and void storms. and the Zarimain is like pin pushed through both the sheet and the mattress.

yeah, I chose the most boring simile ever.

[obtuse gyro]

no

thats just a visual representation for navigation's sake, thats not the actual void present in the system

[fading turret]

Aye

[graceful zodiac]

The Origin system, sure. The Zariman had no bearing on the status of Duviri, other than being a bridge.

[safe dust]

Nope, nope, do not like new war, this part sneaking by the deacons is giving me serious anxiety...

[austere hamlet]

where are you there

send screenshot

[simple anvil]

Is the forest on earth...?

[safe dust]

orb valis, sneaking by the deacons

[simple anvil]

No way around it, just go metal gear mode...

[austere hamlet]

screenshot it

is that the factory

[simple anvil]

Pretty sure it is, the sneaky sabo with Karl...

[safe dust]

Its the factory in fortuna yeah

[safe dust]

Drifter sneak section, csnt use abilities or anything and these deacons have wicked far line of sight

[simple anvil]

Yea no way around it, stay out of sight and crouch a lot...

Best not to rush this part...

[safe dust]

I cant stop shaking this is stupid

im tryna take my time but its just ramping up the anxiety the longer im here

[simple anvil]

I kinda forgot already where are the spots that u can hunkered down while u plan ur move...

I don't enjoy it...

[austere hamlet]

have you finished yet?

[safe dust]

I just ate dinner, but I think im almost done

[simple anvil]

[safe dust]

Yep done with that part

Im not gonna miss this story this is the worst

Story wise its really good, but the high intensity of stress is not it

[safe dust]

dawg these fights is taking WAY too long

[safe dust]

3/10 for new war mechanics
nataruk's damage reduction is so abyssmal......vs the damage you take....
I am n o t having fun

[obtuse gyro]

you are charging the nataruk appropriately right?

[safe dust]

No I absolutely am, just didnt know about interrupting healing phases at all

[obtuse gyro]

missed hunhows explanations huh

[safe dust]

I didnt miss it, the first fight took way too long for me to remember
Also dealing with anxiety and adhd

Okay serious spoiler chat, ima do this blurs.

||Is there any future change in choosing to finish the New War as the Drifter or Operator?||

[frozen stump]

Not really any difference. After the new war, you can freely switch between playing as either.

[unkempt zephyr]

you don't need to spoiler that, you're in spoiler chat

but to answer your question, only a bit of dialogue changes, nothing else

[safe dust]

I know that, but I know in other servers im in that have similar channels, spoiler chat includes everything that new players dont know about and wanna ask, it's basically just habit for me lol

Last part for the blur, cuz im kinda....confused here.

||I already beat Boreal and Nira, if I choose Operator do I fight Amar as the Operator?||

[unkempt zephyr]

if they're here they'll have to bare the consequences

[unkempt zephyr]

tbh at that point you can just fight the archon in warframe, after dealing with the sentient stuff

[safe dust]

I can? How?

[unkempt zephyr]

there will be fields that prevents you from transfering into warframe, take those out and you're good

You'll see

for now just continue with the story

[safe dust]

I kinda like the drifter gameplay, Nataruk is prolly my favorite bow besides Mutalist Cernos

[unkempt zephyr]

sadly that's the only part drifter utilising a primary, secondary and melee

[safe dust]

HOOOOOOH WUKONG MY BABY I MISSED YOU

THEY TOOK MY GUANDAO AWAY

[unkempt zephyr]

paracesis only

[obtuse gyro]

I got good news and bad news, but only pertinent when you finish TNW

[safe dust]

bad news first please thanks

[unkempt zephyr]

finish TNW then

[obtuse gyro]

you wont get that kind of drifter gameplay anymore unless youre in duviri

[safe dust]

Meh, wasn't big on duviri. not gonna finish it anyway. my eyes were hurting.

[unkempt zephyr]

still, no primary in duviri

[safe dust]

The whole....grey/color evershifting thing, because I have a slight degree of colorblindness, was legit making my eyes hurt

[unkempt zephyr]

Drifter wielding any modded primary would just make everything piece o' cake

[safe dust]

I shoulda chosen drifter

[unkempt zephyr]

there's.... always ppl who upload vids abt the difference between picking op or drift for that

[obtuse gyro]

gameplay for drifter and operator should be the same beyond that point already

[safe dust]

The ballon part was awful

LB to descend, A to Ascend
I can only ascend, no descend...

[unkempt zephyr]

just ascend then

at some point it'll reach the maximum height the game allows and will lower you when you're near the point if needed

[quiet tapir]

Lotus is actually Natah and Natah is actually Magulis

[nova harness]

Incorrect

Lotus is actually Natah with the thoughts of Margulis

[rain otter]

She doesn't have her memories or anything.

[north trail]

more like natah cosplaying as margulis

[quiet tapir]

The 3rd crab of fortuna never got release because of how it look

[rain otter]

Not true.

[obtuse gyro]

3rd crab is in the works (likely as a narmer objective)

[compact haven]

Didn't they say at tennocon they hadn't forgotten about it and something was in the works?

[obtuse gyro]

that was the AMA

[compact haven]

That's what I was thinking, I wasn't entirely sure on that

[late stirrup]

Guys, I didn't know Albrecht Entrati was in Watch Dogs, that's so crazy

First we have Jetstream Sam Excalibur, now we have Watch Dogs Entrati

[neat osprey]

the website is just broken

[nova harness]

Why does Albrecht look fearless?

[manic lichen]

Cause he a OG

[opal minnow]

So, I have kind of a nagging problem with Qorvex...

Namely, he seems like just a poorly done amalgamation of the worst parts of the most popular warframe kits... so, here are some changes that I'd love to see to his base kit to make him actually feel like his own frame:

1st ability: totems - a stationary AOE that does low damage and slows enemies is... okay? I think this one can be saved with an augment that causes it to strip... 15% enemy defenses per pulse?

2nd ability: this one is pretty cool on paper and would have its uses, but I think it's seriously missing something. So, why not make it a knockdown ability instead of just a stagger?

3rd ability: ah yes, viticarious metastasis... please, just make this do anything else. Maybe give each plate its own health buffer to work as a cross between mesmer and iron skin? This ability is lacking literally anything to make it even stand out against other abilities available.

4th: ah yes, the wisp laser... but worse. I propose literally just making it deal heat damage. This change alone would actually at least make it into its own ability.

I'm not sure if this is all artifacting from trying to rush the demo or not, but the abilities as they stand in the showcase, leave even originality to be desired. It feels like a punch in the stomach from DE to give us all this interesting stuff... only for the warframe to come with it all to be uninspired and mechanically boring.

[amber terrace]

Man’s looks like a transformer and I love it

[supple dagger]

Same. His abilities look cool so I’ll def try and build him when he comes out

[real niche]

Most of it just comes from overspecializing on the whole Radiation thing, since it really looks like they want the enemies to just keep shooting each other with all the rad procs

[opal minnow]

Yeah... too bad that's also wisp's thing with her laser. I feel like if the 4th did heat damage as well as an explosive impact per stack of radiation on a target it'd be a lot more unique without breaking the power balance. His kit just presents itself as this terrible copy-paste of all the bad parts of other abilities...

Totems? You're limited by their duration and a max count of 2, they're completely stationary, and I wouldn't be surprised if they hard capped at 45% slow each forcing you to stack them to get a 90%... walls? Actually kind of cool, if you ignore the fact it's just a toss-together of Atlas and Caliban's worst abilities, without the benefits of armor strip or full ragdolls... the third ability is just giving the mesmer shield augment to vicarious metastasis, which, why are they giving an ability native to the mouth in the wall to a warframe?... and yeah, the laser is 100% just a watered down wisp beam.

[obtuse gyro]

well, youre thinking of Hideous Resistance and not Voracious Metastasis. VM is giving energy for energy. But also from what pablo said his 3 apparently can regenerate on Kill? As for his 4, there is some action going on with the beams post explosions that make it a smidge better than wisps.

but I do agree that the commitment to radiation results in a scaling problem, because armoured targets are going to largely laugh it off. Fortunately we can already bandaid that by subsuming over anything but his 3 (since free PSF is just free PSF). From the way his kit goes, My best guess is pillage, since duration doesnt seem to be that important, and even the pillars seem to have a long duration when unmodded, ergo long enough duration when running negative duration.

[opal saffron]

wait is that not on purpose? Idont know whts happening i watch the trailer and was just like WTF?

[balmy badger]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that

[fading turret]

So what do Oppo and Dorifto switch between each other the way they do?

[flint garden]

Wdym?

[fading turret]

When you take Lotus to her throne, you switch between the two while they talk one at a time

Between scenes they switch between each other to talk to her

Can they not be on the same plane as each other?

[flint garden]

Not really , multiverse paradox

Kinda

[fading turret]

Even in the scene where they're eating in the Dormizone, Drifter starts to... kind of fall apart in a way?

[flint garden]

Cause 2 entities of the same identity can't coexist in the same universe