spoiler-chat

[rain otter]

Loid is still alive?

did you watch the Trailer?

[autumn turret]

Also yea loid wasnt glassed, tho who knows if the family knew

[zenith jacinth]

That dialogue existed before then

[rain otter]

okay?

[cunning copper]

I don't think you're going to find one except Excalibur or Oberon (as a paladin)

[zenith jacinth]

You still don't understand, do you?

The dialogue existed before the entire story got messed up due to the pandemic, the idea for parts of the story that are happening now didn't even exist yet, meaning the line couldn't have been foreshadowing loid being alive

[rain otter]

Idk DE have said they planed like years ahead. Like Pravos mentioned the Entrati way before deimos came out.

[zenith jacinth]

Pandemic also messed up a ton of the planned stuff, new war and duviri ended up being completely different

Loid being alive also retcons the fact that gomaitru calls both loid and otak cephalons

[prime lantern]

I mean there is always the option that albretch lied

Said he made the family butler (and his boy toy tee hee) into a Cephalon

[rain otter]

I mean Albrecht is single.

His Wife like either left or died.

We have our bi woman rep. Why not a bi man?

[prime lantern]

Or he never had one

The orokin don't have family like ours

Maybe mother was grown in a lab

I thought something far weirder and decided against saying it here

[rain otter]

i mean he says his wife left him i think?

[wicked iron]

Something important may have been overlooked about 1999. The Man in the Wall appeared as Albrecht to Arthur, instead of as Arthur.

[zenith jacinth]

Might've not been wally

[wicked iron]

The smile and Requiem sounds at the end lead me to believe that one could only be The Man in the Wall.

[near rune]

This notion comes from the Anti Moa Synthesis entry ("Orokin didn't have parents like you do; it was done differently then"); however, the Entrati seem to throw this into disarray. Albrecht had a mother, he has a daughter, and that daughter now has a husband and children. As for Albrecht's wife, we only know that he "raised [his daughter] alone", so his wife is dead or otherwise gone.

The Anti Moa Synthesis entry is quite old and may no longer be canon.

[prime lantern]

Albrecht had a mom?

[near rune]

She called him "little Bengel"

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing seems to contradict it so far

[prime lantern]

Oh yah

[prime lantern]

I mean to disprove myself mother and father do exist

A fact i immediately forgot

[near rune]

The Entrati family seems rather traditional as we understand families, which would seem to contradict "Orokin didn't have parents"

[prime lantern]

I mean the orokin may have Clovis Breyed there kids

[zenith jacinth]

The entrati aren't really perfect examples of orokin

[obtuse gyro]

Albrecht might have learned voidtongue, and he doesnt have wally's signature galaxy eyes

[prime lantern]

Rip out the other person's DNA while the kid is in the womb and replace it with theres

[near rune]

But they certainly are Orokin nevertheless, even if they weren't at the absolute top of the power structure. They were rich, they used Continuity, they had entire worlds (Deimos) under their dominion.

[zenith jacinth]

The exception proves the rule and all that

[supple dagger]

hI

[zenith jacinth]

Hl? Oh, that says... hi?

[near rune]

We'll have to see. I'm not saying it's retconned cause we don't know for sure. But it's in the category of things I side eye these days, like oro.

[limber girder]

It seems a lot of old lore is not as referenced as of late

[zenith jacinth]

They bring up random obscure stuff sometimes, but yeah

[near rune]

the Zariman tablets had some old references which I appreciated

[zenith jacinth]

Which ones? I only remember radiation wars

[prime lantern]

Lorist

[zenith jacinth]

I need a bit more than that, don't have much room for old lore with everything going on in current lore

I just typed "ob" instead of "on" multiple times, it's about time that I sleep

[prime lantern]

My phone keeps trying to auto correct bau to baby

[zenith jacinth]

[prime lantern]

Which made typing gn bau almost very awkward

[zenith jacinth]

[obtuse gyro]

👀

[near rune]

Mediocre is referring to the Lorists, who are Orokin healers that were mentioned way back in 2015. The Zariman tablets also reference vosphene glyphs from Call of the Tempestarii and Legems from Nightwave: Glassmaker – not quite as old but nice to see the consistency.

[prime lantern]

I personally think it would've been funny if the tablets mentioned oro and did not elaborate

Like have a question mention oro but not be centered around it

[rain otter]

They aren't Orokin

[prime lantern]

They healed orokin

Orokin healers is the correct way to describe them

[sacred haven]

would milestone rewards count as spoilers?

[obtuse gyro]

no

[sacred haven]

just wanted to make sure cuz I have no clue what one I wanna grab for my 300day milestone

[obtuse gyro]

thats something you are free to ask in #gameplay-discussion

[sacred haven]

ok thx I though mabye to ask in here or players helping players tbh

[obtuse gyro]

you can ask #players-helping-players as well

[late spoke]

Pov hayden is in 1999

[nova harness]

But he isn’t

[late spoke]

Ye i know

[zenith jacinth]

He never will be

[scarlet basalt]

If hypothetically wisp exist in 1999
does she has feets ?

[nova harness]

Prime, yes Basic no

[balmy storm]

Human Wisp would’ve had feet probably

It kinda just depends on how Wisp lost her feet and if that affected her 1999 counterpart

[obtuse gyro]

Assuming there even is a 1999 counterpart

[balmy storm]

^

[prime lantern]

You know what they say about assumptions

[limber girder]

I am quite confused about how that will work, is 1999 similar to the Zariman and the drifter in the sense of alternate/parallel reality shenanigans? Or is 1999 a stagnant part of Warframe history?

[obtuse gyro]

likely the former, 1999 seems to be playing into the y2k scare, which we can assume takes place veeeeeeeeeeeeeery far off in the past from warframe

[limber girder]

Ah. Imo 1999 has a chance of either being a very good and intriguing part of the game, or just complicating things up even more

cough cough duviri cough cough

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri is simple

[obtuse gyro]

duviri is very simple

[rain otter]

"Its quiet shrimple" "oh no it's become a prawnblem"

[woeful jacinth]

Krill issue

[prime lantern]

I'm stealing this

[rain otter]

NOT SO SHRIMPLE ANYMORE

[prime lantern]

It's very clamplicated

[north trail]

duviri is not clamplicated

void just decided to be silly and made a whole kingdom based on a book and drifter's feelings

[high cosmos]

What about the warden, and kullervo?

[prime lantern]

Kullevero got tossed in the void by ballas

And the warden is the manifestation of Kulleveros guilt

[zenith jacinth]

"It's quite simple really"
-MumboJumbo

Kullevero

The consistency makes me think it's autocorrect

[nova harness]

Kullervo

Simple

[prime lantern]

Wrong I am 1 in a krillion and shrimply forget how to spell

[nova harness]

Forgot you mean?

[prime lantern]

What

[nova harness]

You simply forgot how to spell

[prime lantern]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Why is kullervo called kullervo but corufell isn't called korufell. It looks so much better

[nova harness]

I think either way it looks just as good

[zenith jacinth]

I got that mortal kombat brain, everything looks cooler if you replace the c at the start with a k

[wild wind]

Real answer: the original Kullervo is a character in the Finnish Kalevala, an epic poem like the Iliad

[zenith jacinth]

...ok?

How... is that related

[wild wind]

You asked why, the real question is "why don't their names match"

[zenith jacinth]

That's not the point of the question, I just think korufell would've looked better

[wild wind]

Oh I see. In that case, it's because it's Tenno faction and not Grineer

[novel oasis]

Is the Duviri Paradox Quest ever going to be replayable?

[rain otter]

idk. Maybe why?

[novel oasis]

It was fun, I wanted to replay it

[rain otter]

Isn't it just like doing Duviri but during the Quest?

[wild wind]

There's some fun dialogue

[rain otter]

Like you can just play duviri like click the Duviri Experience and then go solo lul.

[novel oasis]

I like being able to replay content

[rain otter]

There is good dialog though I agree.

[wild wind]

Yeah but the full sequence is lost

Anyway, DE said that they'd like to make it replayable but it's really low on the priority list

[rain otter]

Unrelated to this but related to Duviri I really like the Sword and Shield from Duviri on Drifter and just using it on a warframe.

[zenith jacinth]

Argo&vel seems like the best option for a slash sns now

[wild wind]

Argo and Vel rules

I love sword and board and it's my new favorite

[rain otter]

To just like spam E yeah they are fun. Also they look super cool.

[radiant belfry]

I wanna see terra rip out the dax's throat again

[rain otter]

The spear is probably Better in actual duviri as the drifter but i like sword and Shield more as a vibe thing in duviri.

[wild wind]

I actually like the nikana best for Drifter

Just rips through mobs

[novel oasis]

Hopefully it is repayable eventually

[rain otter]

Two hander or single? I assume you don't mean the dual ones.

[wild wind]

Single. Syam somehow rips through enemies like they're made of tissue, including groups

[quartz obsidian]

Are there any official drop rate tables on the cinta parts (including Main BP)? Feels like the Main BP never drops...

[zenith jacinth]

Same

I have yet to get the main bp

[quartz obsidian]

it's okay for a bit of grind but this kind of grind is insane...

[wild wind]

Oh, try the super owl puzzle in the island that disappears sometimes

[rain otter]

It's active during certain emotions.

[wild wind]

yeah, I know it's not there during Anger but I don't know the other one where it's unavailable

[zenith jacinth]

Archarbor

[wild wind]

That's the one

Anyway, it drops a bunch of stuff all at once, and has a higher rate of Cinta parts. The puzzles in the citadel are also clustered and can be good for farming

[zenith jacinth]

I think envy might be the other one where it's missing?

[supple dagger]

No it’s there during envy. It’s not around during Anger, Fear and Sorrow

[rain otter]

Joy, Envy, and Sorrow

Is when it's active

Also this helps.

[supple dagger]

Or this

[wild wind]

oh what the hell, no way

It's that set of a pattern?

[rain otter]

The symbols change but each place always is for the place marked.

Like that top symbol in what I posted isn't always the same symbol but it is always for the puzzle all the way to the right.

[quartz obsidian]

On which island do i find this super puzzle?

[rain otter]

Dead pan knights is better

[zenith jacinth]

Archarbor

[rain otter]

But the Archarbor is there in the right corner on Joy, Envy, and Sorrow

[supple dagger]

Basically it’s always next to Thrax Gardens on the map

[supple dagger]

That space between dead and pan felt personal…

[quartz obsidian]

15 mins until joy for me will watch for that super puzzle

[wild wind]

yeah that's what I mean

[rain otter]

@quartz obsidian see this island at the top? Basically just a big circle that's the Archabore.

[wild wind]

it's basically the opposite of Kullervo's hold

[quartz obsidian]

Okay ^^

[wild wind]

though, actually, looking closer the empty spaces on the map are probably for if they get ideas for other islands

[rain otter]

There are videos on it or we are here if you need help.

[quartz obsidian]

Many thanks for the help ^^

[rain otter]

Also it drops 5 or 10 of the Owl Tokens

I fogor what the base level of them is cuz they are effected by a resource booster.

[quartz obsidian]

nice to know will look soonish for this one. If i need help i will ask here ^^

[rain otter]

Oh lul it wasn't

I'm just on my phone

[supple dagger]

Lol you’re good I’m just teasing

[quartz obsidian]

@rain otter found the puzzle but doors are locked xD

[rain otter]

there is a puzzle on the island

to open it

[quartz obsidian]

ok i look for it

[wild wind]

It's not as hard as you think. Find the thrax statues and point them at the middle area.

[quartz obsidian]

@rain otter got the puzzle but no BP part

[wild wind]

time to get 1 more decree, quit out, and try again

[quartz obsidian]

You can do this each decree?

[rain otter]

no

its that you get a checkpoint

when you get a decree.

[quartz obsidian]

I see so start new

[wild wind]

yeah

[quartz obsidian]

Thanks a lot dudes! 3rd puzzle and got main BP 😄

[wild wind]

[quartz obsidian]

Yay and game said "nope"... showed up in session screen on mission ending screen it was missing XD

I love bugframe

[wild wind]

did you get another decree after you got the Cinta bp?

[quartz obsidian]

Had 2 ready to use

[wild wind]

no no no you have to GET another decree

[quartz obsidian]

Meh okay

[wild wind]

not just pick it

[quartz obsidian]

Then just farm it again xD

[wild wind]

rip sorry.

[quartz obsidian]

Stuff happens... So everything is okay will not make this mistake twice xD

[scarlet basalt]

someone noticed something like an easter egg :
Xaku is weirdly tied to whispers of the wall
For example, their abilities are somehow "tied"

[obtuse gyro]

gee, almost like the void-themed frame has gasp void themes!

[zenith jacinth]

We have 4 frames now that are in some way related to the void. One was made from parts of frames destroyed by the void, one disappeared in the void for years and returned as a ghost story, one was... generated by the void, and the last did the same as the second but never returned

[obtuse gyro]

whos the last one?

[zenith jacinth]

Kullervo

[rain otter]

Their

[scarlet basalt]

true but xaku are more shown lol

[rain otter]

I'm saying Xaku is they.

[scarlet basalt]

yeah also that

[prime lantern]

Limbos 4 mentions void energies aswell

Using it to stabilize his pocket of existence

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah but that's just how abilities work, his 4 just happens to mention it

[red hedge]

Bruh, I'm still reeling from TennoCon. It was SO. GOOD. Can't wait for more ||90's themed nostalgia|| xD

[zenith jacinth]

No need for spoiler tags in spoiler chat

The lore is going... into the void

Can't wait for that joke to get boring and still keep using it

[vagrant sphinx]

my drifter is fr taller than gara

[radiant totem]

Question why is there not a more varied warframe heights

Like it seems silly that a dragon warframe is the same height as excalibur

Granted I might be a little biased but the yareli comic book artist draws the frames in that way and it makes it seem alot more natural

[fleet veldt]

Would be nice if we had a height slider for frames that just changed the general height between Operator and slightly above Drifter.

[radiant totem]

Yeah

A height slider in general would be nice for warframes ans drifter

But also a gender option it might be an unpopular opinion but that would be nice

I wonder with 1999 if we will get something like that if not an option for a “human” mode

[nova harness]

But gender is an option

Just not for Warframes

[radiant totem]

Well yeah I meant for warframes

Like nyx was a scrapped female excalibur

But also how ash was intended to be female but was later changed to female

[nova harness]

They could do this but might take a while with 93 frames

There actually is a female Loki model

[rain otter]

why only 2 then why not more they frames

we have Xaku are they frame now.

[radiant totem]

Well i used those 2 as examples I would like to eventually like to see it for everyone just for a bit of diversity

[rain otter]

we probably won't evern have the same frame but just fem or masc

[radiant totem]

Wdym?

[rain otter]

that what you are saying

i don't think that will happen is what im saying.

[obtuse gyro]

Was made solely for citrine, hell was it not a female frames body with lokis head?

[radiant totem]

Yeah it was saryn with a loki head

[graceful zodiac]

Because all frames need to fit to the same model. They can have their difference, but it'll never be more than 6 inches to a foot through trickery

[vagrant sphinx]

checked the bishamo set out, how the hell do I change my operator's gender

they look female enough to me but I guess they're not female enough for warframe

[near rune]

I think it's a face setting? Not sure

[graceful zodiac]

It's the primary face, yes

[graceful zodiac]

Also this. DE has specifically said they aren't gonna do straight distaff counterparts of frames.

Any idea like that is gonna be different takes on the same theme, like Hydriod and Yarelia both being water, or Vauban and Protea both being engineer

[radiant totem]

Yeah like hildryn and rhino too

Fair enough then

[graceful zodiac]

Hildryn and Rhino aren't really counterparts, but yes, that idea

[radiant totem]

Well my thought there was both buff and have similar helmets and builds of stature

[odd crane]

I do not like the idea of having a female and male version of warframes, they are supposed to be unique creations that were copied for mass production, not something that could be recreated at will.

more variance in different frames stature, would be nice though.

Now more operator/ drifter body customization would be nice as it would be nice to have some more compartmentalization of the clothing.

separating the shoes/ boots from the pants for example, making the jackets an auxiliary slot ectr.

[balmy storm]

The Bishamo set specifically has a male and female set
Hawk and Lark

[autumn turret]

that was just a loki head on a saryrn body

[bitter stag]

That Loki Saryn was something even Wisp couldn’t compete with

[valid yew]

can anyone tell me what that middle reward is?

[rain otter]

emote.

[valid yew]

thank youuuu

[autumn turret]

does hovering over it not say as much

[valid yew]

nope , at least not when i did

[autumn turret]

ah yea nothin

just "awarded for completing the steeel path: [planet name]"

[rugged marsh]

How much does the good, neutral, evil, choices effect the game after the War Within?

[supple dagger]

Not much. So far it doesn’t directly effect the outcomes of any quest or gameplay mechanics. It’s purely for what type of mindset you have, if that makes sense

[rugged marsh]

Noted TY

[prime lantern]

Iirc the only thing it affects is the first line from the helminth and that's it

The helminth will
Light: the light shines in this demon
Neutral: the demon walks the shadows edge
Dark: I forgot tbh

[zenith jacinth]

They're not good and evil

Oh void I deleted the poem

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

Found it

Just choose what seems right and ignore the dial

[supple dagger]

Is it possible to change the alignment by replaying quests or are you locked in once they're done?

[zenith jacinth]

Locked in

[rain otter]

you can change them by replaying

i am pretty sure.

i could be wrong i've been wrong before and i'll be wrong again.

[near rune]

You cannot change the alignment by replaying quests. Once you make the choice, the choice is permanent. You can replay the quest to hear dialogue from the other options though, but it will not have an effect on your alignment meter. You can shift the alignment over time when they release new quests with alignment choices, but who knows how long that'll take.

[scarlet basalt]

So
December = Shadow wizard gang
October = Human made horror
2024 = 1999

[arctic sorrel]

that is, uh, quite the clipping Unairu badge has with the lark bishamo drifter cuirass...

still better than a giant flower in front for whatever reasons

[scarlet basalt]

god i was thinking : how long is whispers of the walls 😮
Like it seems to be a very long quest since it has "intro"
Unless it only mean that you will only do this quest and it's a content island 💀
This is also great that they're doing "expansion" on older contents.
Maybe cetus will have more

would be crazy if they expand WAYYY more on mitw's domain in this quest lol

[prime lantern]

Perhaps we'll finally get to figure out whatever the hell unum is

[rancid delta]

Well, here i go with the new war choice you have to make

[zenith jacinth]

Which one

[rancid delta]

The last one where you have to choose between Natah / Lotus / Margulis

Sure you can change later with other skin but ...

[supple dagger]

It took me this long to see Wallys face in that wow

[rancid delta]

[nova harness]

When they showed that area in the demo I couldn’t tell if it was a Wall of Bone type thing or not but I guess it was

[scarlet basalt]

so pretty much the design is literally : if there's a place, there's a face

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh you're right, maybe it will explain more about what and how the unum could help tbf ?
Like an expansion that will talk a lot more about the unum, it would make sense given that PoE didn't get much update tbf

[frail nymph]

There's at least three more in the skybox

[prime lantern]

Mystic godlike being that can control time and see the entirety of time all at once and we don't know the who what why or how

[rancid delta]

What did you guys choose and why. I have been reading many youtube comment sections and Reddit posts about each argument but im curious about here.

[real niche]

Pick for what

[nova harness]

Explain

[rancid delta]

What i was referring earlier

[nova harness]

Oh

I picked Lotus since it’s what I heard for 4 years

Then I gave her Margilus skin because imo it looks the best

[rancid delta]

I lot of people had lore-wise arguments and i was like ....

[nova harness]

I just thought if I get to get Fashionframe she should get Fashion too

[rancid delta]

So who is the true space mom

[rain otter]

I think all of them are fine choices. I choose Natah.

[nova harness]

Margilus and Lotus are both Space moms Natah was Lotus on a bad day

[rain otter]

I mean she Natah like first

But shRug.

[zenith jacinth]

It's irrelevant who you choose, they will all always be in there

[rancid delta]

So you are basing your choices on personal thinking instead of what she would decide to

[rancid delta]

True

[supple dagger]

I chose Lotus and use the Lotus Amaga skin cause it looks so good

[zenith jacinth]

You're essentially just choosing who does the talking

[rain otter]

I mean it is her choice o font wanna have this discourse it's so werid.

It doesn't matter.

[nova harness]

What does Amaga even sound like?

[zenith jacinth]

Also that, people don't seem to realize it's her choosing in-universe

[rancid delta]

Yeah i do understand that. I just think this is an important decision morally and lore-wise

The fact you have to choose which one YOU want her to be is ...

But yeah they are all 3 inside

[supple dagger]

It sounds normal unfortunately:/. I wish It had a cool Duviri accent like Luscinias voice

[zenith jacinth]

But she's choosing, not you

[rancid delta]

[nova harness]

We pick it but it’s actually her decision

[rancid delta]

Yeah ....

Ngl im still on the screen

[nova harness]

Which name do you like the most?

[zenith jacinth]

I chose lotus because that's who she became after killing ballas

[rancid delta]

True

Man this quest was so good

[nova harness]

Think what name you like the most Lotus will accept your opinion

Even if you don’t like the skin there’s others that you can buy

You actually get to customise Lotus after you pick

[rancid delta]

All i want i space mom to be happy. Not sure i ever think about a choice that deep in any game i played. The lore in Warframe is . Yeah i know you can buy the skin and everything interacting in your room after. Guess i just choose Lotus then

[zenith jacinth]

Most important is always to just ignore the dial when making choices

[rancid delta]

Im half

[zenith jacinth]

Ngl I completely forgot what my dial on my main acc is

I think it's balanced with a bit sun

[supple dagger]

Do I have to do anything to start whispers of the wall?

Or is it not accessible yet?

[zenith jacinth]

Not in the game yet

[lofty crown]

out of pure curiousity, how many people has spotted this fella in front of (implicated) Albrecht Entrati's grave on Duviri? If anyone at all 😅 (and btw he was laughing and when I didn't look at him he disappeared, just like one happy man tied into the certain surface)

[zenith jacinth]

Many

He's a manifestation of wally

The... vagabond I think he was called

[lofty crown]

yeah, I felt it wasn't that rare but thanks for confirmation 😆

[lofty crown]

oh, I didn't know that

[rain otter]

He's there at a current emotion cycle also it's his ceremonial grave.

You can read the gravestone.

Specific not current.

[lofty crown]

wait, I'm searching through internet now and there are more of them in different places... also now if I think about it I perhaps saw him once more on one tower...

[lofty crown]

his as Entrati's?

[rain otter]

what?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[rain otter]

you mean Albretches "GRAVE"

[lofty crown]

I read the gravestone, "stranger, father, scholar"

[rain otter]

he's not in it and it has a headstone you can read.

[lofty crown]

nice phrase

[rain otter]

but its a empty grave

[lofty crown]

yeah, I figured

[rain otter]

like he left when the island left duviri.

[lofty crown]

especially after tennocon 😆

[rain otter]

we knew that before Tennoco.

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht just floated off into the void on an island that was called scholar's landing

[rain otter]

it's in the Lost Islands Logs.

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht's moving castle rock

[supple dagger]

Oh god not again

[rain otter]

THIS IS WHY I MADE THIS THOUGH

[lofty crown]

god damn, I really have to collect them

[rain otter]

lul

[lofty crown]

I'm missing too much of the known lore

[zenith jacinth]

Wish I had something to use photoshop with, I'd make this a reality

[supple dagger]

You can read about it on Orokinarchives.com if you’re too lazy to collect them all. Or just watch a YT video that has them all

[lofty crown]

Ha! Thank you Sire, I didn't even know page like that existed

[torpid arch]

When is cross save coming if theyve said?

[zenith jacinth]

Soon™

[rain otter]

This year.

[tulip island]

I’d imagine it will be when the mobile version of the game is launched globally

[rain otter]

That's not true cuz that's coming out 2024 cuz DE wanna release cross save this year.

This was said during Tennocon.

[tulip island]

I did not watch Tennocon so my bad I just assumed that it would be out with the mobile version.. hopefully it will be soon that crossplay is out as I wanna use my accounts on my red magic.

[obtuse gyro]

your assumption is not that far off, Reb suggested heavily that one of the reasons why they want to start pushing cross save out is because the mobile version is also coming

[zenith jacinth]

Is human loid or robot loid loid 1?

[obtuse gyro]

human loid is the first, human loid scoffs at necraloid for it remember?

[zenith jacinth]

Well yes, but for easy distinction. Robot loid is the first we met, human loid is the first to exist in lore

It'll get annoying to always have to type human/robot

[obtuse gyro]

Well is ez

Loid and Loid

Personally I'd use loid for human and necraloid for bot

[prime lantern]

The first is whichever one is hotter

[near rune]

In the TennoCon demo, robot-Loid's name changes to Necraloid in the subtitles once you wake up human Loid

[zenith jacinth]

Confused ace noises

[prime lantern]

I am pan

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, good

[rain otter]

Nah we have Loid and then Albretchs Gay lover.

[prime lantern]

This guy gets it

Albrecht has good taste in men

[zenith jacinth]

[prime lantern]

Well need to see mothers mom to determine his taste in women

[rain otter]

My bisexual king Albretch

[obtuse gyro]

wrong, its abandoned gay lover

[rain otter]

I feel like The fact Loid knew Albretch was leaving does make it better. Like he didn't just leave randomly.

[prime lantern]

I really really really need albretch to have a school girl diary about loid

[rain otter]

I expect human Loid to have done than more Albretch to have.

[prime lantern]

Dear diary
OMG that real cute boy loid was totally eyeing me down

It needs to be canon

Or vice versa

[rain otter]

Also I'm not gonna Call Loid (Robot) Necraloid cuz he's more than just a Necraloid he's Loid.

Human Loid is Human Loid.

[zenith jacinth]

That's more likely

[prime lantern]

You know what

Why not both

[zenith jacinth]

We... don't know of any other necraloids

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht is too professional/scientific for it

[zenith jacinth]

Necraloid is the necraloid

[rain otter]

Shhhh

[prime lantern]

Too professional for a diary not too professional to do things with his assistant

[zenith jacinth]

Servant*

[rain otter]

Combination Butler and Egor.*

[zenith jacinth]

Both are servants

[rain otter]

I an saying for Human Loid he's butler and Egor. (Cuz he helps with Albretchs experiments)

[zenith jacinth]

And saying servant would be shorter and still correct

[prime lantern]

Honestly doing things with your servant is alot less professional tbh

[zenith jacinth]

By modern definitions maybe, but the orokin weren't exactly modern aside from their technology

[thick jolt]

Did they specify human loid as a servant and i didnt notice or is that just people assuming?

[rain otter]

oh when talking about Loid and Otak they say the family servants so people are assuming human Loid is a servant. also he is not a Orokin hanging out with Orokins so servant.\

[zenith jacinth]

Sure would be nice if the bloody wiki would load so I can show the source

Finally

From the loid sentinel tail:
"Necraloids take pridde(nice typo) in keeping their medallion-embossed collars as clean and polished as they did when they were living servants."

Oh, plural. So there are multiple

[thick jolt]

But also we are told necraloid was made with the purpose of keeping human loid company so maybe the rule doesnt necessarily apply here

[indigo crow]

Egg

[obtuse gyro]

I mean Humaloid doesnt say "Master" for nothing

[prime lantern]

God I forgot the context of this conversation and thought something wildly different

[wicked iron]

Hopefully better than his taste in men. Insulting MY FLOATY LOID-SHAPED FRIEND?! Unacceptable!!!

[rain otter]

I KNOW RIGHT?

[vagrant pagoda]

Imagine insulting yourself.

Wait…

Re-phrasing

Imagine insulting another version of you.

[undone forge]

That's what the grimoire is, I choose to believe

[prime lantern]

Lmao

[near rune]

(Necra)Loid does say that Albrecht treated the grimoire like a diary

[lone axle]

i love the concept of using someone's diary to kill enemies

[wild wind]

Death Note much?

[radiant totem]

OH MY GOD ITS A DEATHNOTE

[prime lantern]

No it's albretchs diary about his boy toy

[tepid basin]

This reminds me of ragnarok online where one class, the sage, could find mystical books as weapons. And how are they used as weapons? The sage bludgeon the enemies with them.

[radiant totem]

Wait but the weird thing is a grimoire is for spells, a tome is classified as a large book of unusual importance but loid said he (albrecht) used the grimoire as a sort of diary

There for would it not be more of a situation as a “ritual book” kind of like in sucker for love for those that know?

[abstract trellis]

Anyone else feel like the duviri bounties would be better if they were just fighting Dax? No sheep herding, no easy to kill stick figures, no “shoot the thing”, no undercroft because it’s not even really duviri

I feel like whenever I play duviri I’m just waiting for the Dax fight stage and the rest is boring

But maybe that’s just me

[near rune]

I def don't like the sheep herding

[abstract trellis]

Honestly I prefer that one over the shooting the floating things until you can hack the chest. But it’s like pulling a tooth versus pulling two

[prime lantern]

I like the horse guy fight

[abstract trellis]

I absolutely love fighting in duviri. It’s so fun and well done. I just don’t see the point of the other bounty stages

[prime lantern]

I like things that have actually mechanics and you can't really brute force them

[abstract trellis]

Yes dude the combat is soooo good

That’s also why I don’t really get the undercroft segments either. Like I enjoy warframe gameplay, but I came to duviri to play duviri

Why switch between world spaces and game modes mid bounty? Just leave the undercroft for circuit mode

[graceful zodiac]

And some people don't like Duviri gameplay. It's split between the two so it's not a complete drag for everyone

[abstract trellis]

But if people don’t like duviri gameplay they can play the rest of the game

You can’t do it the other way around though

I respect your opinion though

[graceful zodiac]

That's not good for DE. They want everyone to have some kind of interest in playing Duviri, both the Circuit and Spirals

[abstract trellis]

Right but the circuit mode is separate from the spirals

So I’m saying why mix undercroft into the spirals instead of leaving it for circuit

Though tbh my bigger qualm is how unfun the other non-combat stages are

So I suppose that’s two discussions

[graceful zodiac]

So that spirals aren't a complete bore for people to play through to get what they want

[abstract trellis]

I’m not sure I follow. If duviri is boring, they can not play duviri

And just go circuit or the rest of the game

[graceful zodiac]

And DE doesn't want that. They want you to play Duviri content, so thus they split the gameplay loop so everyone get's a bit of something they'd like

[abstract trellis]

So you’re saying they’re forcing the undercroft in so that people who don’t enjoy duviri still play duviri?

Why don’t we just play what we enjoy

Now those people are suffering through 4 stages of duviri just to get two stages of undercroft

Which is accessible in the circuit and identical to the rest of the game

How does that benefit anyone

I’m not on the same page as you yet there. But hopefully we can all at least agree the sheep herding isn’t it

🐑

[supple dagger]

I personally love doing the other tasks. It gives more variety, like the shooty floating things. Those are also fun too imo. And the Warframe parts I don’t really mind either

[graceful zodiac]

Or, to shorten the point, they have you go into the Undercroft because it can't be all Duviri all the time

Similar reason for why you get your frame and regular gear for Orowyrms

[supple dagger]

Yea I’m on Atsias side. Like why would the game give you the ability to use Warframes and weapons that you’ve never/have used before only for the boss fight, which is like the very very end of a Duviri run

[abstract trellis]

That just seems so bizarre. It can’t be the game mode you chose to play. It has to include other game modes you can select independently. I don’t get it

[abstract trellis]

I respect your opinion. It’s subjective what’s fun

[abstract trellis]

I don’t really see the issue here but maybe that’s just me

[real niche]

It's a similar reason as to why you need open world resources to build Necramech, they're wanting you to do all the different activities.

[abstract trellis]

@real niche are you actually defending the necramech grind

[real niche]

Who says I am

Also I did day one farm Necramech farm because I knew they're going to shoe in every new system they add.

[abstract trellis]

I guess I’m the minority overall. Maybe DE will add a Dax vs drifter only mode, like the circuit, just for me. Until then I can dream

[supple dagger]

Maybe they could replace conclave with Drifter PvP lol. I saw someone mention that here somewhere and it sounds like a good idea ngl

[real niche]

Getting the parts can be a bit of a pain, but if you do what DE expects you to and have a couple levels in each of the open worlds it's really not that bad.

[abstract trellis]

Another point we disagree on. Parrying once is an instant kill. They’d have to dramatically overhaul the system for pvp. It’s too simplistic as it is for that imo

[supple dagger]

Fair enough

[abstract trellis]

I’ve had my necramech for ages. I’m just saying that’s not really a good argument haha. I think I’m not a minority in thinking the necramech grind is unnecessarily painful

But that’s not a can of worms I care to open. The noobs can suffer, I paid my dues

[real niche]

It's not an arugment, just what is DE's design philosophy

[abstract trellis]

Oh I see now

[prime lantern]

I mean you also need to do alot of duviri for incarnon weapons

[real niche]

Whether or not it's fun is a different story.

[graceful zodiac]

It's free to play game design in general

[prime lantern]

You need 20 clamps per weapons

[abstract trellis]

I suppose duviri combat just feels so unique to me from the rest of the game that I couldn’t see it that way

[real niche]

My gripes with it is that Circuit grind for R10 is just so annoying, 20 Clamps for each is okay-ish

It just overpowers the amount of actual Duviri you have to you

[solar jetty]

Варфрем ещё не вышел на телефон верно ?

[sharp widget]

Нет

[radiant totem]

All I know is they said no

[wicked iron]

Пока только iOS. Кроме того, пожалуйста, используйте английский язык на этом сервере. Приносим извинения за доставленные неудобства! 🙂

Only iOS, for now. Also, please use English in this server. Sorry for the inconvenience! 🙂

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe in the future they will add open world bosses for deimos, like eidolon/profit
i just hope to see a gigantic abomination from the infestaion that is here to kill the tenno by any means

[lusty basin]

Or we fight a wyrm

Always thought that brain thing was going to become a world boss

[wild wind]

As much as I'd like that, Deimos's terrain seems too hilly for that to be an option

It'd have to be an isovaults thing

[scarlet basalt]

yep and that's weirdly interesting, like : there's now literally a boss on deimos's depth (well it's in the void), which also make the planets with way too much bosses 💀

crazy that this place is where the most dangerous "species" reside
Maybe we could call that australia but dark souls for NPC
Also whispers of the wall is post TNW ? Since they've talked about naarmer on transmissions

[wild wind]

oh yeah good point

[scarlet basalt]

Every other planets haveing one boss while deimos is literally having more and more because they love to mess around how important this moon is 😭

[zenith jacinth]

The new faction is the only one with an actual boss, and both infested places have 2 boss nodes

[prime lantern]

I really like oversized bosses

I mean really big

[zenith jacinth]

I like bosses that don't have tiny weakpoints

[prime lantern]

I want to fight vome

Or fass

I want to fight them

Let me fight the giant serpent

[zenith jacinth]

Vome is friend

[prime lantern]

I have a black hole gun

Let me fight the giant worms

Well technically it's only a "gravitational singularity" which is the fancy way of saying fun part of a black hole

[prime lantern]

Give hunhow an archon shard so I can fight him

[radiant totem]

Kinda weird deimos doesn’t have a world boss

I wonder if we get one in abyss of dagath or whispers

[west kelp]

not sure if i should put this in here due to new war content or somewhere else but i feel happy about this lil edit

[modern crane]

That's cool

[high cosmos]

Ok I'm confused, I was under the impression abyss and whispers were the same thing

[obtuse gyro]

Abyss is oct Halloween update

Whispers is dec major cinematic update

[high cosmos]

Ah

Thank you for clarification.

[supple dagger]

Is there a timeline for events that happen in Warframe? I'm just wondering how long has it been between the Old and New War and just how old is Tenshin? Like is he part of a Dax order that just slowly died out over time and he's the last one or is he legit the last surviving Dax from the Old War?

[prime lantern]

Pretty dam old

Varzia dax clearly has fond memories of him and she's been on ice for a thousand years

And he's one of 2 known surviving dax

Varzia dax Is the other one

[supple dagger]

Ok so the man at the end of the trailer is he supposed to be the man in the wall

Because he sure sounds like him and talks like him

[prime lantern]

Whisper in the wall or 1999?

[obtuse gyro]

He's definitely talking about albrecht in 1999

[obtuse gyro]

Not necessarily, he lacks the iconic galaxy eyes. Either wally figured out how to hide better or albrecht learnt voidtongue

[zenith jacinth]

The latter seems more likely to me

[prime lantern]

And cooler

[supple dagger]

Im laughing at the fact there is a 1990 old computer in a entranti lab with dial up noise in the present setting of Warframe

[scarlet basalt]

Deimos gigachad having nuclear bomb as a landscape, cult and eldritch horror

[radiant totem]

Just woke up but yeah clover one comes in december this year which is whispers and one comes in october and thats abyss of dagath

[zenith jacinth]

The drift is simultaneously the most and least fun free roam area for me

[scarlet basalt]

truee the cambion drift is very strange, like it can be fun but somehow, it doesn't feel as refreshing like duviri
I kinda hope they add things for october but i doubt since it's a very big QoL update

maybe it isn't as fun because there are no gigantic ennemies that require specific mechanics to do 🤔
Because like, the necramech...I just shot it and wait to die

[zenith jacinth]

Very barely related, like 0.3% related: I'm a bit disappointed that soulframe has warframe's attack style with the lightning fast swings, it just doesn't really seem to fit

[scarlet basalt]

tbf it's also not the final product, so it has great idea, even tho it has mechanics that may not fit, but otherwise, it look pretty okay ?

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

I think it's just my dark souls/monster hunter brain hoping for slightly more realistic attack animations

[scarlet basalt]

true, i do hope they will rework some of the animation, but i feel like some are hand made and not motion capture ?

[robust oxide]

the duviri paradox in question

[rain otter]

I HAD THIS BUG recently.

Your Rerolls and choices grow for no reason.

It's a cool bug I'll be honest.

[last widget]

Voidtongue being smiling grimly and mongolian throat singing.

[scarlet basalt]

I hope that the void tongue will not show us a new form of wally but like the sulfur god from fear and hunger with his tongue trying to do kakyojin

[brisk tulip]

It was worth waiting for better drip to complete duviri

[frail nymph]

Any attempts to figure out the words he said?

[obtuse gyro]

Given wally's stunt in the zariman tablets, we are definitely contending with more than just the requiems we know so as much as we can snag the mongolian throat singing we cant really parse what it means

[scarlet basalt]

if you think about it : the new bosses is such a great design
Like : eldritch horror, good attacks pattern, can't be stun, telegraphed attack, can be parried (?), weakpoints shown but move a lot to not be easy, phases, use his own design to attack, cool arena, seems fun
I do hope that cold doesn't affect him

[rain otter]

you mean like Wyrms cuz i AGREE

Also angles.

[scarlet basalt]

they're getting so good with design, i think it's from deimos 😭
Like even deimos has good idea packed inside...Whatever the HELL is that moon

[rain otter]

What deimos boss? OH YOU MEAN FROM THE TRAILER

[scarlet basalt]

wyrms are also good design but only in steel path
Even tho the only things that we can criticize is... The messy way they've done the run around circle wyrm things

[rain otter]

Whispers is probably gonna be like the Zariman which is great cuz the Zariman is like some of the best content they made.

[scarlet basalt]

whispers sound great, but it also mean that reward should be great, like "why should i farm here ?"
Maybe it will announce a new syndicate to farm ?

[rain otter]

I like all the other content they have made after Zariman too but Zariman is like probably the best one.

[rain otter]

yeah cuz there is a hub and stuff i assume new arcanes other stuff we would want.

[scarlet basalt]

True zariman is so good
There's also the spirals...Which...It's hateable 😭

[rain otter]

I really like Duviri too.

Also the Zariman has the best arcanes in the game that you can just buy from a NPC

[scarlet basalt]

i love the way they just thought : oh you like that, then let's try this approach 🤔
And it's literally the best choice lol

[rain otter]

like the worse Zariman Arcanes are still really good.

Like emergence savoir isn't used that much but ITS A GOOD ARCANE still.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe they will try other idea, instead of arcanes, special mods,mods sets,weapons that grant DR or something like that 🤔
Like more ways to help us in our journey, since now they love putting lvl 150 ennemies against us which is fair
Also it make me think : those ennemies will be level 70 ? It can make sense ?

[rain otter]

i think it could be arcanes it could be something i literally haven't thought about.

maybe the bounties are also good. Like Zarimans Bounty rewards are pretty good when it comes to endo and stuff.

[scarlet basalt]

bounties will be crazy idea bcz zariman was...huh...

[rain otter]

i mean

Zariman has bounties.

I mean the Zarimand with the Holdfasts.

[nova harness]

The Zariman is the bounty

[rain otter]

like that was like Starchart missions but in 1 tile and you can choose bounites if you want or ntot.

[scarlet basalt]

Zariman could have been better if 2 gamemodes weren't that slow 😭

[rain otter]

2?

[scarlet basalt]

Armageddon and cascade iirc

[rain otter]

even the worst Game Mode Armageddon Is still like better than normal Defense and even faster than a normal defense.

cascade is great.

[main radish]

I like the one where you run over the Void balls

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh you jsut noticed me to one things :
Maybe, they will try new ideas for operator's arcane ?

[rain otter]

yeah cascade Is the Ghost (thrax) buster mode. you get so many Arcanes and Endo and stuff.

it was the way to farm like focus and Zariman Arcanes. on SP mostly but it was a thing.

[rain otter]

I mean Zariman gave us a SECOND AMP ARCANE

and like the best amp arcanes.

and some pretty good operator arcanes.

[scarlet basalt]

i should get more arcanes 😔

[rain otter]

you can also buy them from Calvero.

the best arcane like in Zariman that you would get first is like Augmented.

[scarlet basalt]

molt augmented and the free 60% PS is so good 😭

[rain otter]

Nodders

[woven bramble]

His name is Cavalero not calvero

[zenith jacinth]

ShadeyShroomy is dyslexic

[rain otter]

I still wanna be told I just don't want people to be upset at me about it.

[twin dock]

cascade isn't so bad, even it is going a bit fast, but first round is just always slow. Next rounds usually are running faster. Just fast frame and good eq.

but armageddon is truly bad. Very slow and this timer that counts down to the next round is so long. Just gimme a stupid console, so i can skip timer like exactly with defection...

[zenith jacinth]

Most people will think it's just a typo anyways like I did originally

[nova harness]

Some of the Warframe community are perfectionists for grammar

[rain otter]

I can say all these things perfectly just can't spell it right all the time lul

[prime lantern]

Better than and forgetting to add words to my sentences

[scarlet basalt]

i kinda wonder what the hell will be "contents" from whispers of the wall
It only seems quest guided and not at all about contents
Like i guess maybe : Smilar to how Entrati/holdfasts work, each rank upgraded from the real loid will give a piece of lore ? Bcz it seems that they may do a syndicate for content from the lab of albretch ?
Or like : Bounties will require us to do something with the big body ?
I really wonder wth they will do bcz it just sound so strange 😭

[rain otter]

i mean the place with the DUDES head

seems to be the Hub idk who all the other NPCs will be though maybe we will find other sleepers or something.

[scarlet basalt]

would be crazy if : we literally see the human form of the entrati 💀

[rain otter]

But Like i said yesterday I think it will be like the Zariman.

[rain otter]

the Entrati are human they just are a little infested.

[scarlet basalt]

yes but not their greek statues skin but like a more human approach of their design

[rain otter]

They choose to look like that all. Orokin have body mod tech.

or at least they did before. Loid is not a Orokin he is seemingly a servant.

[scarlet basalt]

still wonder why their fashion is to look like old greek statues 😔

[rain otter]

does it?

it mean they are very GOLD THEY LOVE GOOOOLLLDDDD

[scarlet basalt]

i always felt like they really look like old greek statues
Like who started the trend, do they have their own tik tok account where influencer are telling to others orokin that grey skin is crazy good 😭

[rain otter]

also they are LIGHT or Dark i guess BLUE.

[prime lantern]

WHY ARE WE YELLING COLORS

[rain otter]

blue skin. Looking like they have tuberculosis

which used to be sexy btw for people to look gaunt and TB ridden and skinny and almost dead.

[velvet wing]

idk but GREEN

[prime lantern]

RED

[rain otter]

it actually is still like FASHION to look very light almost white pale skin in certain places.

Which you would look like if you have TB.

[scarlet basalt]

i only hope that murmurs faction will give us very interesting boss/ennemies
Because for the moment they do
And boy they're smart of just going eldritch being to show up so they can add whatever they want

and the boss design is also very strange, i've never seen something like that ever in a video game 😮
But i'm sure i've seen something like that

Murmurs boss will be on par with void angels but also seems to be less annoying than void angels 😭

[rain otter]

void angels are very easy to do if you know how to 1 cylce them.

did you know you could stop them from doing the like Orb thing you can if you do enough damage.

say with like Void Strike.

also Void Angels are a interesting fight that even if you do the like full thing in the void it doesn't take more than like a minute for a whole phase.

[scarlet basalt]

Void angels are actually one of the smartest way to make an enemy/mini-boss from de :
Can only get staggered by parry
Can be a powerful threat if you don't pay much attention (they can heal themselves btw)
Have a wide array of attacks who are telegraphed
Their attack are very distinct in colors
Can still get debuffed from armor strip
Require operator to show us that building amp is important
Simple design but very effective
Like this is for the moment one of the coolest ennemy tbf

I kinda hope we get more ennemies that could require operator like iirc someone said : void negate void

They sure know how to make ennemies rn
Even now there are enemies from the zariman that are really worth noting :
The shield corpus girl who should get literally buffed in my opinion by casting a bigger shield that can protect her allies
And the anti transference units from the grineer who is actually a really good way to disrupt a tenno,it's very fast to deal with the spear and you can see the globe

[rain otter]

yee

Also Thrax are a good design.

[serene phoenix]

Does anyone know who sings the acapella on the title screen?

So beautiful lots of energy.

[rain otter]

what song?

the opera song?

oh no that's not that

i FORGOR what the title screen music was

it's just the Login for Kullevro update @serene phoenix each main update does have a different login in theme.

it probably does have a name 1 sec

[near rune]

I believe the title screen is still playing Duviri music. The opera singer for the Duviri music is named Francesca Hauser.

[rain otter]

the music for the Duviri Login was different.

from Kullevros login.

idk why but i think the singer is still her.

the Duviri Songs are the only ones i don't have on the Somacord.

[serene phoenix]

Yes.

My bad for calling it an acapella. It's more of an aria I suppose.

[jagged lake]

Do you think we'll end up getting a full translation of whatever Wally was saying at the end of TNW with the new content?

Also that's the same dialogue that plays during the Whispers in the Walls opening right?

[gloomy cove]

Nora question, how can I mark up to five resources? I can only mark three resources even with loot aura and coaction drift using Revenant Prime (XBOX).

[rain otter]

It doesn't have to be in 1 mission lul.

Also idk what the way point button on Console is but you just do that to a bunch of resources.

[gloomy cove]

Oh. Strange, I've marked lots of Ayatan Sculptures, Soma chord shard, Frame Fighter crystal and the main lore orb thing and nothing happened. Marked lots of resources yesterday and nothing happened.

Is it bugged or just me being stupid?

Should a Nora x/y counter trigger at end of mission?

[rain otter]

Yeah it triggers at end of mission often.

like especially if your like solo it won't update till you complete the mission.

[gloomy cove]

Ok. I'll have to check if that act is listed as a bug then.

[rain otter]

It might be.

[gloomy cove]

Thanks

[twin dock]

shield corpus girl? I don't remember, i know only sisters that are girls from corpus lol. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to enemies xd.

[supple dagger]

Can’t wait to turn the man in the wall into the man in a coffin.

I don’t even Care If hes evil. I just want whatever he drops

[next zealot]

Fingers

[twilit geode]

I hope they don't ever resolve The Man In The Wall. Because the absolute worst thing you can do with cosmic horror, is make it comprehensible. Cosmic horror by its very definition is that it is something our mortal minds cannot wrap around. And the idea that TMITW is just so far beyond our understanding, and simply is toying with us for its sick amusement is the greatest draw.
What an anticlimactic ending it would be if we just end up killing them with regular guns firing regular bullets or regular lasers, or hitting them with sharp metal sticks, completely destroying any semblance of power or Eldritch mystique that TMITW has thus far had built up.

[torpid lantern]

We might be able to kill it by severing its body between the membranes like Albrecht did. Mitw is still missing his fingers.

[supple dagger]

I don’t care of i can comprehend it or not I wanna kill em

[twilit geode]

I want it to be where if we fight them, it becomes clear near the end that we never had a chance to begin with, and they merely give us something for amusing them.

[zenith jacinth]

You forgot blunt metal sticks

[twilit geode]

Ah yes, the not-yet-sharpened metal sticks.

[serene cave]

Don't forget sticks made of mutated flesh (I'm talking about infested melee, and nothing else)

[scarlet basalt]

That would be very cool if they do that, like it wouldn't make sense to make him mortal tbf
I would love to see that yeah...it's an unbeatable foe and his domain in December will show you why

[prime lantern]

I couldn't process all the words and thought you said his domain is December

Wally is mariah carey

[scarlet basalt]

OULL RIS VOME FASS RIS FASS RIS OULL

i kinda want to use AI voice for MITW so i acn make him sing "all i want for christmas"

someone pointed out that it could be that the story of Warframe 1999 will be not warframe dark sector but could take inspiration ?
It can kinda make sense to go this way and it would be also, very interesting ?

[zenith jacinth]

You don't sharpen staves or hammers

[obtuse gyro]

Where do you keep finding folks that throw out such questionable takes?

of course 1999 wont be dark sector, but even past that, how would 1999 take inspiration? because arthur and aoi have warframe suits?

[scarlet basalt]

literally yeah because that's their argument 😭

[obtuse gyro]

th-thats such low hanging fruit but also its telling that they've never seen dark sector

[zenith jacinth]

1. They use warframe powers
2. It has bright colors
   Already enough to not be dark sector 2.0

[real niche]

3. DE has said multiple times how Dark Sector will never be canon to Warframe.

[exotic portal]

Has anyone figured what the man in the wall said at the end of new war?

[nova harness]

Other than it being requiem, nope

[ionic sleet]

My dudes, does anyone have tips for getting past the angry walls in Kahl's murex mission?

[woeful jacinth]

I fly past them with the jetpack

[obtuse gyro]

The ones with the balls? you can either bait them out or try shooting at them

[velvet wing]

I hug the opposite wall as much as possible

[ionic sleet]

thanks

[zenith jacinth]

I always just tank it

Kahl has enough health and armor to survive it

[rain otter]

its fine when there are no enemies and you have full health

but If you accidently wander into it or get attack while it happens

it's a OOF

[zenith jacinth]

They're usually not near enemies and kahl has stupid fast health regen

[rain otter]

I am just saying what i have had happen.

[twin dock]

U meant walls with mines? They aren't so very dangerous. Kahl is just a chad grineer, so he can survive it without problems and regen his hp very fast.

[zenith jacinth]

[twin dock]

Dark sector was the mostly inspiration for warframe. warframes (eventually their proto skins), glaive, even archguns as heavy weapons, jackal and some form of infestation. Many things in warframe are components, from dark sector, these were reused in warframe.

[scarlet basalt]

it would be interesting to play lotus.
Like imagine a scenario : as we go deeps inside the unknown we lost contacts to pretty much everyone aparts for people who are close physically, but then...What is happening for the others ?
And Lotus get an intel about dealing with the advancement of technology from grineer,corpus and even new mutation from strain, warframes aren't enough now, we must go to the front.

[zenith jacinth]

Ok...? Got anything... new?

[real niche]

Did you read that off the references tab on the Warframe wiki?

[zenith jacinth]

[twin dock]

just watch any gameplay and u will see how many things were reused, it is obvious that this game was inspiration...

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, everyone knows that warframe is what dark sector was supposed to be, this isn't new information

[eternal fox]

y'all not beleive me when I say this, but erra was still alive, but controlled by one of ballas' daughter

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

[eternal fox]

do I look like a crazed person to you? just go play the archon level, and see it for yourself, about the speech, the looks, and most of all, the voice

[zenith jacinth]

That's an archon

Forgot what the ram was called

We never saw erra die, and archons are absolutely not the "daughters" of a bloody orokin

[twin dock]

don't worry mate. This dude is just touchy and needs to be at warframe discord server all time and observe every new posts. Just don't worry about it, it's a waste of time and unnecessary.

[zenith jacinth]

Why are you getting involved?

Man what was the name of that ram... I can't remember

[twin dock]

You should ask yourself this question.

[zenith jacinth]

Pazuul

[twin dock]

U are literally writing to everyone who wrote anything, that you didn't like it.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm mainly here for the lore, and correcting stuff like that is necessary

[twin dock]

well yeah, but u are doing that like u were very touchy. And also a bit offensive. I think u are just exaggerating.

[zenith jacinth]

I have trouble noticing when I go too far, it's not intentional

Especially when I just woke up not too long ago

I forget that I should just wait until I'm actually fully awake and in control

I see that this was too much now

[obtuse gyro]

yea I wont believe you because none of the Archons are ballas's kids. Each archon has a hand in keeping Pazuul and Erra stuck together

[eternal fox]

but how did pazuul died if she took over Erra's body?

[obtuse gyro]

we havent even faced off pazuul, how would he die?

we've fought nira boreal and amar, but never pazuul

[eternal fox]

he or she

[eternal fox]

if you're talking to pazuul, idk where she was

[obtuse gyro]

what?

[eternal fox]

editor misspelled it from his

[obtuse gyro]

the editor misspelled nothing, pazuul is regarded as a he

[eternal fox]

how could you be so sure, if ballas says he had a daughters and son

[obtuse gyro]

I am extremely sure

additionally, the archons are not ballas's children

[eternal fox]

right

[nova harness]

Archons were made by Erra

[serene cave]

Erra is the Lotus's brother.

[obtuse gyro]

that is correct

[scarlet basalt]

Please tell me that albretch/loid are short kings

[rain otter]

I mean the sentient part of the Archons are seemingly like older than the Lotus.

[nova harness]

Erra is also older than the Lotus

[rain otter]

Nodders.

[plush frigate]

Wondering, can we change ordis back to what he was before new war or?

and btw, are archons sort of warframe/sentient hybrids?

[velvet wing]

Turn on creator mode

[rain otter]

You can I wouldn't recommend it though.

[rain otter]

Yes. When your Lotus talks about them in the Hunt or ||Pazuu|| talks about the Beast Lords of tau they are talking about the Sentient Half before they became archons.

[sharp pasture]

off topic but does anyone think gauss is gonna be the next prime or grendel?

[near rune]

We know it's Grendel; they showed it off at TennoCon

[sharp pasture]

wait they did?

[near rune]

'Bout halfway down: https://www.warframe.com/news/tennocon-2023-recap

[sharp pasture]

dam

[cunning cypress]

I ask of you one question, which one do you believe more:

• That Drifter is the Original
  Or
• That Dominus Thrax is the Original
  Which one is more likely?
  I'm more of a proponent that Dominus Thrax was the original version of the drifter, with the playable character being but a Void Construct that has been constructed by the weird Embodiment thingamajig
  It's supported mostly by the dialogue from Dominus Thrax, but it's quite up to interpretation

[thick jolt]

they put it very bluntly in the quest that drifter was the originator of the whole of duviri

Drifter: "I always had it. Thrax didn't make this place-"
Teshin: "-you did. But... you reset it. You gave it all back to him. Why?"

[rain otter]

Dominus is the main character of tales of Duviri a book written by mother long before the fall.

That's who the narrator is.

[cunning cypress]

Dominus Thrax: "Who is this new friend of yours, anyway? I made you! I kept you safe all this time. They're nothing I can't be!"

"It wasn't me that started stirring up this mess with the executions. You got it in your head to get out. Don't you see now that these stories are for you? For us?"

I mean, it ain't concrete

[rain otter]

He's wrong or lying.

He is a child after all.

Also we literally find doll pieces of him.

[cunning cypress]

And Teshin is an old man that has been dropped in duviri on his head

[cunning cypress]

I don't think that it's Pieces of Dominus, per se

[rain otter]

Also you literally get the Tales of Duviri decoration.

[cunning cypress]

Have you looked closely at his model?

The Dominus Thrax?

[rain otter]

Tales of Duviri Decoration is a book decoration you get for beating the quest.

It even has "written by (Mothers Old name)" on it.

Also she is literally the one talking in the middle parts when you do duviri in-between the emotion talking.

[cunning cypress]

The Doll and Dominus Thrax for comparison

Notice the exposed flesh on Dominus Thrax

[rain otter]

I mean we see Kids with literally no arms and just ball joints.

But back to my point even the Tablets talk about Tales of Duviri though they specifically say its not just a kids book it's a book to give to like people that have been exposed to the Void to teach them like that they need to be calm cuz the exposure to the Void like effected them negatively.

[cunning cypress]

Dominus Thrax very clearly has human calves and a human left hand

In addition, he has a human face under his mask

[cunning cypress]

And it's not a Duviri Void Construct face

Neither is his skin a Duviri Void Construct

And if your theory about Dominus Thrax not being the original is true, it would mean that DE have lied about who Dominus Thrax is in the pre-release articles

[prime lantern]

Pre release articles are often deceptive towards twists

[cunning cypress]

Personally, I'm very much a hardline believer in the Drifter originally being sucked into Duviri as a child, self inserting himself (literally) as Dominus Thrax with Drifter being a Void Construct created from the conceptual embodiment of Thrax's wish to escape Duviri

Essentially Dominus Thrax spat the Drifter out and since Drifter is born of Dominus (but not the Original Kiddo) he can rule duviri while not being afforded Void powers of the Tenno

I saw the reaction when Drifter reassembles the Doll as the crippling realisation that in fact he is not real, he is not the original, that he stands before the original version of the drifter and that original version is pityful

[supple dagger]

You can literally see Dominus getting created tho at the end of the quest

That big arm emerging is clearly Dominus

[cunning cypress]

I'll be honest, without an explicit DE confirmation on what happened, I can't be fully sure of either mine your your theory

(Though personally I may just be willfully ignorant and consider my version of what happened more "Kino" than what is essentially:
-Kid gets kidnapped my a malevolent void entity that kills him repeatedly for years until Drifter breaks free and realises that he created a self-hating spiral)

I mean, it's probably the true version

I'll be honest, as I was writing this part It does kinda fit the whatnot speech about Spirals that Drifter has

Like, my interpretation is more about growing to realise that you don't have to be the original to be you, that ultimately you are replacable and that is okay
While the other is more about realising that you're your own worst enemy

Sorry if I'm writing rubbish

Sorry for wasting time 😦

[wild wind]

There's one problem with your entire idea though: the Drifter is the original protagonist of the Duviri Tales storybook. The Drifter self-inserted as the Drifter.

The "new friend" is Teshin.

One of Duviri's only two actual outsiders

[cunning cypress]

I mean, I thought that Dominus Thrax is the actual protagonist of the Duviri Tales

[wild wind]

No, he's the antagonist there as well.

[cunning cypress]

Antagonist of the quest, for sure

[wild wind]

No, in the storybook.

There's a description somewhere that says that the Duviri Tales are about "the heroic Drifter".

[cunning cypress]

Wait a sec

I may have missed thatun

[wild wind]

The basic premise of the storybook is basically identical to the spirals we play out

Thrax wakes up in the morning consumed by some emotion represented by one of his advisors

As the day progresses the advisor grows more and more unhinged (representing Thrax's instability) until they snap and turn into a dragon

[cunning cypress]

Can you post the sauce for your claims, sorry for asking

Like, a screen of the description

No offense intended, of course

[wild wind]

No, I'm not at home

Check the loneryder outfit though, I think that has it

[cunning cypress]

Shooks

[prime lantern]

Still pissed its a decoration and not a real book

[wild wind]

Since the drifter outfit is actually the Zariman suit plus some other stuff, not what the story!Drifter would wear

[cunning cypress]

"Look sharp after miles on the dusty trail."

Quoth the item description

Nothing about Duviri, sadly

[thick jolt]

so we have calm and collected drifter and teshin agreeing drifter made duviri
and thrax throwing a tantrum saying he made drifter
i dunno but ill stick with the two who agree and are actually calm about it

[prime lantern]

No but the bundle it comes in says "dress just Like the hero described in the famous storybook, tales of duviri"

[cunning cypress]

Huh

[cunning cypress]

I wouldn't really take Teshin's words as 100% correct

[prime lantern]

Why

[thick jolt]

eh id trust the one we know is actually from real space

[prime lantern]

Teshin has literally no reason to lie

[cunning cypress]

He's not above the spiral influence

[prime lantern]

Neither are we

Literally nobody is

[cunning cypress]

True

And yeah, If Teshin was to lie, he would likely do so by omission, rather than actually lie

You have a point

[prime lantern]

And teshin has been there for a while

[thick jolt]

not to mention this

[cunning cypress]

I suppose you are right

[near rune]

Yeah, the Drifter watching Dominus being created I think is a strong point

[prime lantern]

Also thraxx is literally on the cover of the book

[cunning cypress]

Sorry for being a Dum-Dum

[thick jolt]

you dont have to apologise its normal to get misunderstandings in this game

i know i have made plenty

thats why i like this chat we can correct and discuss

[cunning cypress]

Just honestly thought that Drifter not being the Original would be very Kino

Like, Oooh, he's not the Original,

He was created to fulfil a different role but grew past his programming as a conceptual embodiment

[near rune]

It's an interesting thought but I think it's too much for a video game, where you want your player character to be real and important

[cunning cypress]

It is a pretty cool idea, but honestly, might not be applicable to the Duviri Paradox storyline

Still, gotta say, I love Dominus Thrax as a character

[thick jolt]

he is interesting

would be cool if they one day make a real tales of duviri as a product to sell

[cunning cypress]

I mean, what would it have? Illustrated stories of each Orowyrm?

I admit, that would be very cool ngl

[thick jolt]

well the supposed purpose of the book would be regulating emotions
so i suppose like the spirals it would go over emotions personified as the characters

[cunning cypress]

We do kinda already have the text for the stories

[thick jolt]

i think we have a nice start to it but expanding it juuuuust enough for a book or a comic would be cool

[cunning cypress]

Illustrated Storybook would be good

Also hopefully some expanded story roster

You know, still have the main Orowyrm bunch, but have some more stories about the side characters

Like, scatter the big ones in between the smaller ones

And have a couple Dominus Thrax based stories

[thick jolt]

yup

[cunning cypress]

Honestly, I think a part of what makes Duviri a good update is the fact we've got a small cast of main characters with opinions about eachother

Like, you look closely at the Orowyrms and Thrax we've got a small web of weird emotions about eachother

The weird Bombastine Luscinia Dominus Thrax Love Triangle, the Lodun seething about everything (mostly Dominus), Sythel freaking out about being watched (a warranted fear), Mathila having a weird thing with the Dominus Thrax's best racer while of course everyone else hates the bloke

[rain otter]

All of them are NPCs that have Dialog in the world when it's not their like cycle btw.

[cunning cypress]

I know

[rain otter]

Except Dominus.

[cunning cypress]

Like, Shame Teshin doesn't really acknowledge Mathila

She did save his butt

[rain otter]

I wouldn't call that a love triangle more like Thrax gives Favor to Luscinia and Bombastine is mad about it.

[cunning cypress]

Tbh, It's very much more than that
Canonically Bombastine recommended Luscinia (his love interest) to Dominus, and he started caring more about her than him

Issue is, the only happy person with said arrangement is Dominus Thrax

[rain otter]

also don't use like that word you said about Sythel please. You can call her paranoid if you want but she seemingly has seen actual horrors before.

[cunning cypress]

Fixed

[rain otter]

Also idk if it is ever shown that Bombastine loved Luscinia it is shown she was tortured by Bombastine somehow though.

[cunning cypress]

The Archivist of Duviri surprisingly likes to Gossip about the Orowyrms

Idle on her Store screen, she might drop tidbits about personal lives of Duviri people

[supple dagger]

Yea she says Bombastine cries out when no one’s watching him. Something like that

[cunning cypress]

"He loved her, you know, Bombastine. Claims he didn't, but he cries and whispers her name when he thinks no one is listening. What do you suppose he'll do?"

This is what she says about Bomby Boy

[tall shoal]

So like, I did new war, when did we become like friends with hunhow because last I remember of him he helped stalker and stalker didn't like us- or he did and I didn't pay attention-

[rain otter]

I mean the Cutscene explains it.

Like He doesn't like us at all he hates us but he HATES WHAT ERRA AND BALLAS WORKING TOGETHER and using Natah as like a thing to be used up.

that's why Narmer is after him and Stalker cuz like they don't agree with Erra at all.

like He works with The Tenno cuz like we are the one's helping his daugther.

[next zealot]

Basically, Hunhow doesn't like us, but he dislikes Narmer more

[rain otter]

Like Hunhow hates us he wants the Tenno to die but he does not want to ENSLAVE THE UNIVERSE also like i said the Erra and Ballas using Natah is a big no no.

also also Ballas is a Orokin like Hunhow doesn't wanna work with him.

[prime lantern]

Enemies of Enemies

[rain otter]

the man thing is the like They used Natah up and then they wanted to find her to use her powers again. Like he was already upset and wanted Natah back when like She was lotus working with us and not in any measurable harm.

[tall shoal]

OKAY because I thought I missed something and I knew he was willing to help us yk to stop ballas and Erra and help Natah but I didn't know if I missed somewhere where he liked us or hated us less ig

[rain otter]

no when he says Friend its very sarcastic.

[tall shoal]

Also lotus is rly pretty RN and I'm curious, if I would've chosen Natah or margulis instead of lotus would she look like one of the skins she has? The margulis or Natah ones

[rain otter]

yep

you would have that one instead

[tall shoal]

I had my TV on almost mute bc it was late 😭 I couldn't tell and was like "is he being fr"

[rain otter]

you can Color your lotuses outfit now @tall shoal

at the helment.

[tall shoal]

Ik I made her greeeeeen

[rain otter]

OH also you can make your default login the drifter camp

[tall shoal]

Well I like the lotus lotus more than them anywaysssss, it's very pretty

[rain otter]

or defualt hub i guess.

[tall shoal]

Oh yeah with veilbreaker right? I did it, I love khal he's nice, sad we don't get veto or teshin Oh that's another thing is teshin just like- dead dead now

[rain otter]

i meant you can do it on the map screen

you could do it before veilbreaker

[tall shoal]

Oh what- how- hdkajdha please-

[rain otter]

Okay on earth

[tall shoal]

Okay

[rain otter]

it will have the drifters camp as a node.

unless you are defaulted on that being your hub

[tall shoal]

Oh yeah, that's where khal is

[rain otter]

if it is your default hub the orbiter will be there.

[tall shoal]

Uhhh my orbiter still orbits, I have to go to drifters camp to be there

[rain otter]

you can click drifters camp on the map then

to make it drifters camp as default

[tall shoal]

Ohhhhh okay

That's sm easier than I figured 😭 idk why

[rain otter]

lul

it will ask if you want to make it your default i think but yeah.

[tall shoal]

New war was so fun, like I enjoyed it and unreasonable amount

[rain otter]

yeah lul

did you do the Zariman? i think you would like it.

[tall shoal]

Even tho I need some railjack driving lessons 💀💀 it was still so fun though, fighting ballas was such an interesting boss fight

[tall shoal]

I DID OMG I LOVED IT THE ANGELS ARE LOWKEY SO COOL AND I CAN GET GYRE AND ALTERNOX NOW ITS JUST HDKAHDHAHD

[obtuse gyro]

Oh I can tell you will love Whispers in the Wall

[tall shoal]

YES I SAW ITS PREVIEW IT LOOKS SO GOOOOOD I can't wait, and it has to do with deimos and loid and those are two of my favorite things in the game even though deimos makes me feel pain sometimes

[rain otter]

yeah Yonta and the others are great

did you see the apartment you get?

[obtuse gyro]

Dont worry the tileset wont be infested

[tall shoal]

NO INFESTATION THANK LAWD 🙏

[tall shoal]

Yes omg and I got a free outfit for drifter from the one dude because I looked at the decorations and I wanna get some

[rain otter]

Oh also that apartment is connected ot duviri

[tall shoal]

That's the same one???? Is teshins cave like connected to the zariman-?

[rain otter]

which is funny

[rain otter]

yes

you can talk to the archvist and see her wares withouth going into duviri there

[tall shoal]

Oh also what's up with the shadow dude who was leading me through angels of the Zariman- was low-key as creepy as chains of harrow 😭

[rain otter]

and mess with intrinscs

[tall shoal]

Oh fr? That makes that easier, plus I like Zariman more than duviri tbh

[rain otter]

which one?

[tall shoal]

Idk I would walk around trying to find where to go and he like whenever I went in his direction walked the direction I was supposed to go

[rain otter]

Oh you mean the LATERNS

[tall shoal]

Hmmm????

[supple dagger]

Well he’s now in Duviri so he isn’t really dead anymore

[rain otter]

like you touched a lanter and then a ghost kid appeared from it?

[tall shoal]

That's fair

[tall shoal]

I got the uhhh globe light? And then the people started appearing, they were creepy reminded me too much of chains of harrow

[rain otter]

oh i know what you mean its been a WHILE since i've played the quest

[tall shoal]

😭😭 it was creepy

[rain otter]

yeah the Zariman is full of void ghosts. there was actually a horror ARG going on here in this discord up to releas of Angels @tall shoal

[tall shoal]

ALSO like so did the people on the Zariman all just turn into angels and that's what they meant by like "they went crazy" during new war and war within

[tall shoal]

Really?? That's awesome, I love the semi-horror aspects of this game, I don't even like most horror it's just so interesting in the game tho 😭

[rain otter]

HMMMMM the holdfasts and the all the people that turn into angles are people that died and tehn the void remade them

[tall shoal]

So what were they talking about in nw/ww, did they just go straight crazy because of the failed void jump

[rain otter]

they all hear "THE SONG" which if they give into it they turn into angles.

[tall shoal]

Oh yeah that was said in angels of the Zariman, UGH I LOVE IT SO MUCH HEREEEE

[rain otter]

yes most people (some didnt very few adults didnt) went crazy and killed each other and everyone else they where stuck in teh void.

[tall shoal]

Hdjshdhahd I love this game, I gtg but tysm I'll prob be back in a while

[rain otter]

the 4 @tall shoal holdfasts we know stayed sane but died in other ways

oh one last thing their void corruption gets less the higher rank you get.

[tall shoal]

Oh that's cool, hdksjfha you've been so helpful tysm 😭😭

[rain otter]

No problem.