spoiler-chat

[rain otter]

I mean Warframe kinda explores this. Like Umbra gets CLAPPED and then we copy him from his like body parts. The Holdfasts are like memory void creations.

[ember condor]

anything void i dont consider. its wizardy

[zenith jacinth]

Cephalons are literally the digitized minds of glassed people

[ember condor]

yeah and its not the person, who is dead

this is getting off topic though

[graceful zodiac]

It literally is the person though

[rain otter]

Like I don't agree or disagree i am just saying that like a part of warframe literally is this.

[zenith jacinth]

It isn't

[rain otter]

like a lot of the story is exploring this.

[graceful zodiac]

Cephalons are literally just a person in digital

[zenith jacinth]

Would you say that you are a person if someone took your mind out? Your whole conciousness, memories, everything except your physical body?

[ember condor]

no because a person needs both of those things

removing either creates a corpse

[rain otter]

okay Orokin take away the memories of people and the implant themselves there.

[graceful zodiac]

That's not corpses work at all

[ember condor]

last thought before i head out but after seeing the vessels for the first time i was expecting some evangelion stuff, but instead it was more like nier

[wild wind]

We might still get some Evangelion here

[autumn turret]

we explicitly get some evangelion with those vessels it seems

[odd crane]

The vessles look like giant versions of Duviri citizens

[nova harness]

Whats Evanlegion about?

[odd crane]

And it creates a question about transference which we should have already had asked when we could transfer to a necramech.

[wild wind]

adolescence

[lyric salmon]

Do you think that with this whole cross save comming they'll do an event for switch to migrate again?

[real niche]

It's cross save, there's no reason for a migration

[nova harness]

Just merge them

[lyric salmon]

I doubt they will make it 'trade between consoles' example a trade between an xboxer V switch.

The switch community is basically none existent so it would give the last few fighting tenno a chance to thrive in the upcomming content on a more lively platform.

[nova harness]

Cross trade is coming

[lyric salmon]

You cannot merge nintendo switch, last i checked.

[nova harness]

With Cross save thats what they will make happen

[lyric salmon]

I hope it does come to that. The switch platform is so quiet these days. Pc is much easier for a bundle of reasons.

[flat shadow]

In the early days DE said they did want to do account merging when cross save came out. That was a long time ago, and we have not had an update if that was really feasible or not. We will have to see in the next few months.

[lyric salmon]

A fingers crossed situation 🥲

[zenith jacinth]

Did you turn crossplay off or something

[autumn turret]

what do you mean with merge?

[zenith jacinth]

I am suffering from such extreme (into the) void exposure

[rain otter]

We all have been since yesterday.

[zenith jacinth]

That emoji should be renamed to "OperatorPonder", they be pondering that orb

[rain otter]

It's just all of us in lots chat trying to guess what's gonna happen before the Updates come out

Okay let's ignore 1999 for a second even the like Whispers Trailer I didn't expect it to be like that LORGE of a area and I didn't have Human Loid on my list of things that would happen.

[thick jolt]

i did always wonder about the subterranean of the cambion drift i mean the skybox makes it look incredibly tall

[zenith jacinth]

I want the book. It's time to become educated

[radiant belfry]

We all want the books in our hands

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-shadow-wizard-money-gang-casting-spells-we-love-casting-spells-gif-13248176114891128394

[radiant totem]

Shadow warframe money gang, we love casting spells

Oh folks, I wanted to ask about into the void. (having come out in the year 1999, to introduce an update named that same year) i want to know if you think the lyrics or even the name into the void has even an ounce of significance wether it be, a developers favorite song or even a hint towards what we are to expect

Because the line “talking to myself all the way to the station” seems to hint or it could be coincidence because arthur was seen in a train station in the beginning of the trailer

[zenith jacinth]

It's just attention to detail

Average DE move

[obtuse gyro]

Consider that once you enter the actual combat tileset, you are no longer on deimos

[forest lion]

I think they meant more about the deeper areas where Albrecht and "original Loid" (Arthur?) were doing all their void machination fuckery with the Vessels

[obtuse gyro]

That area isnt that large

But during the combat section you are greeted by giant gaping landscapes

[autumn turret]

yea that looks to be void

but there is combat in the lab too

you know, with the mechs...

[rain otter]

it will probably be like the Zariman

if i am to have a GUESS

[prime lantern]

Tardis

[obtuse gyro]

nah, I think the moment you load in to the mission area youre in the void already

theres a reason why you walking into a fancy room and have spinning rings and flashing lights

[rain otter]

nah

it will be like the Zariman is still my call.

[obtuse gyro]

What does that even mean

[stiff osprey]

right on the border of void and origin system?

[stiff pike]

It could also be false space? Like interior is bigger than it is on the outside

[obtuse gyro]

Might as well be shoved into the void already

[rain otter]

oh i meant on like how the missions and stuff will work.

like having a hub and then doing like Missions with bounties and things.

[torpid arch]

Can i talk about the tennocon stuff here?

[rain otter]

if you want.

[torpid arch]

Ok i can, is 1999 gonna be an update or a new game

[rain otter]

update.

[torpid arch]

Ok cool

[obtuse gyro]

oh then yes, they've confirmed a hub so you can expect bounty type missions

[rain otter]

Yeah. Idk who all the NPCs will be unless we find more sleepers or something.

Or Necramech pals.

[prime lantern]

How many boyfriends will albretch have

[rain otter]

Lul.

Also if we Have Loid and then Loid(Human) both as NPCs in the hub hilarious.

[flat magnet]

Necraloid is being stretched thin with the amount of jobs he has, mining standing (yes Ik it’s not really him but still), necramech standing and if he is in the new hub as well he’s gonna be flying all over the Necralisk

[obtuse gyro]

"go back to your duties construct" says necraloid as he has initial D playing in the background while flying all over the necralisk

[torpid arch]

This is gonna be so fresh

[next bronze]

It could be that even with Albrecht woken up, it's too late to stop the motion of the plan(s)

Yeah but the cat tho? It's not like Wally would have use of the cat

[rain otter]

Have you not had a pet before?

[next bronze]

Had

[rain otter]

Also this pet was with him when he first discovered Iike a way to actually use the Void for space travel.

[next bronze]

Ohhhh

Okay now it makes sense. Wally could possess it and gain its knowledge

[rain otter]

It was his Kavat and Daughter just hanging out helping him.

[rain otter]

No? It's just a kavat he really likes.

[obtuse gyro]

if they were really trapped there walbrecht wouldnt have a kalymos with him

but also people really out here saying possession this possession that

[rain otter]

I feel like if you could have your pet time travel with you would.

[next bronze]

Nah too dangerous

Only if you would stay there permanently

[winter thorn]

Will warframe come to android as well or is it just ios😔

[balmy badger]

It will be on Android as well, it's just going to iOS first.

Because iOS is a smaller range of devices, easier for them to optimize the game for that set of devices.

[north trail]

i want to see human loid interact with otak

is 1999 after the witw cutscene?

I'd say it's the opposite tbh

[north trail]

is the coffin a time travel thing?

[livid portal]

This thing?

Not the big guy btw

[obtuse gyro]

1999 will most definitely be after witw

[north trail]

I'm talking about the intro cutscene from witw compared to 1999 chronologically

not how they take place in the story

[obtuse gyro]

I stand by what I said

[livid portal]

This might help not sure

[north trail]

yes i know it's coming later

[obtuse gyro]

Its far easier to handle when we stop looking at dates and started looking at the sequence in which events occur

[frail nymph]

I also wanna know if, as far as Albrecht's design is concerned, the walls were supposed to yeet away after you meet the operator doppelganger.

Or if that's a post New War development

[north trail]

but does that cutscene take place before or after 1999

[obtuse gyro]

I still say before

[north trail]

that's what I'm saying too

[obtuse gyro]

You said 1999 is before tho

[north trail]

oh wait nvm

[twilit geode]

What entertains me is how many people playing this game weren’t even alive during 1999. I absolutely love that DE is clearly playing into the Y2K panic that people were going through with the new millennium coming. So many terrified that we’d lose technology cause computers would go haywire with the way the dates tick over.

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder if the "technocyte" in 1999 Is trying to replicate the future technocyte but literally can't 😭 so it just grab electronics things without being capable of taking full control
Or maybe since it's not robot, it can't mess with it ?

[nova harness]

Do you think 1999 is in the Void?

[scarlet basalt]

No,
I think it's the pre-warframe era where the infestation began on earth ?
Making literally world war z

[smoky schooner]

Oh, during those "adverts" leading up to WF '99, the number or year 1993 showed up a few times too. This mean anything?

[obtuse gyro]

Possible

Entrance to 1999 is likely due to void

[obtuse gyro]

The year DE was started

[smoky schooner]

Ah, company anniversary easter eggs then.

[obtuse gyro]

"pre-warframe era" is an extremely large timeframe

[nova harness]

They actually said on the stream it was the company's 30th year of existence

[smoky schooner]

Ah, missed that part of the stream then.

[scarlet basalt]

True, maybe "proto warframe" as they have cybernetics but are still lacking because of them being humans (fatigue,coughing,etc...) which is confirmed from 1999 ?

Ballas: "We took our greatest, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultured reagents. They transformed. They became Infested..."
Ballas: "... but only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought. We set them upon the battlefield, bio-drones under our command."
It's also told on the description that we go back in time ?

[obtuse gyro]

No

There is an extremely clear difference between what ballas is talking about and what arthur has going on

Firstly, arthur has his head still normal, this isnt what supposed to happen when your entire body is turning into a frame

Secondly, arthur has an excal body, this means its should be geared for tenno control, given that "arthur" is not a placeholder name for us, arthur isnt meant to be controlled by an external operator

Moreover the fact that arthur is using rudimentary weapons, weapons that shouldnt be as basic as that, means that what arthur has strapped to his body isnt from the right time

[scarlet basalt]

that's why i said "proto warframe"
They're not the warframe that we knew but what they had in minds, like cybernetics human with capability and powers 🤔 but since they're still human they have also the problem of being humans ?
Still wonder then if the power of voruna would be the same, or if it's in this universe it also mean she could be the most op warframe because she has 4 dogs 😭

[obtuse gyro]

1999 isnt some magic return to the old war

[obtuse gyro]

Even that cannot be true

[nova harness]

Old War is a future event way after 1999

[obtuse gyro]

Frames were made during the old war, standard issue zero-tech weapons back then werent AKs

[scarlet basalt]

would be crazy if they do a quest that literally send you to the memory of the old war

[scarlet basalt]

copium lore : the ak-47 is the proto-braton lol

[obtuse gyro]

Whatever arthur has going in is not a case of "oh this must be the first warframe ever"

[scarlet basalt]

mhh i see what you're saying
this is quite interesting to see that arthur and Aoi are pretty much the ancestors of excalibur/mag
I wonder if there will be explanation on how their power work 😮
But i guess it's fully technological
Would be crazy to see ember raining down meteor 😭

[obtuse gyro]

"ancestors" like theyre not going to be anachronistic versions

[nova harness]

I wonder if 1999 only has 2 people alive

[scarlet basalt]

I doubt
Most likely a version of rhino,ember,etc... Could still be alive but it would also require more VA.
Could be that Aoi or Arthur will say that they're doing things on earth

[nova harness]

We will probably see more in the quest but DE love to poster-boy trailers with frame variants

[scarlet basalt]

i love the enemies's design from whispers of the void
Sound very cool and potentially difficult boss 😮
If epitaph didn't exist

[nova harness]

I wonder who that white head is of

[obtuse gyro]

"most likely"

Or more like theyre just going to have arthur and aoi and thats it

[scarlet basalt]

maybe a second rhino that just died on the ground with his corinth prime 😭

i do hope that it's only arthur and aoi ngl
like imagine voruna and she just eliminate everyone with her 4 wolves 💀

[livid portal]

People gonna one shot it lol

[scarlet basalt]

200% they will go hemocyte route (mhh 500 damage cap)

archons are getting one shoted, i guess that they will go this route bcz of how unbalanced weapons are lol (well thank god incarnon system exist)

[twilit geode]

Oneshotting or not, I am here for the loot, story, and atmosphere. And the Whispers in the Walls update is OOZING with atmosphere.

[livid portal]

Its 100 times better than duviri

[scarlet basalt]

i do hope that it's better than duviri, duviri is pretty good overrall
Even tho the most annoying is circuit because players quit after few rounds😭

[livid portal]

Deimos gonna be massive when the update comes out

[twilit geode]

Also, willing to bet the people that complain about oneshotting are likely spamming the same meta as everyone else. There’s like 500 weapons in the game, people. Try them all, and find the ones that are fun, even if they’re not godlike. Find a way to make them work. There’s your personal endgame.

[livid portal]

Im gonna use stug for the boss

[prime lantern]

Even the weapons of old are still more advanced than the weapons we used today

[twilit geode]

Duviri is a single player update to me. I tried a couple multiplayer rounds. But it was the run I got once where I had Revenant as a choice, and had the Mesmer augment to keep Allies invincible, along with Grendel’s nourish. In addition to Kuva Nukor. I basically said “How long you all wanna go?” And they were like “As long as we can.”
…Apparently that meant round 3. From that point forward, I have only done any Duviri content solo.

[prime lantern]

Unless the percussion rifle used in the mag prime codex mean the percussion rifles from 1820

[scarlet basalt]

this kind of things make me angry, like...
This content is messy 😭

[twilit geode]

Meanwhile I’ll solo Steel path circuit up to like 23 rounds.

Depending on the load out I get

[amber terrace]

When Whispers or 1999 comes out, would it be a good idea for DE to sell a replica of Albrecht’s hat as merch?

[nova harness]

In the name of grofit, yes

[livid portal]

Everyone would buy it lol

[nova harness]

They should sell the coat

[amber terrace]

Also I have a question, which depiction of Albrecht is correct? Like the Orokin with the sick dreads or dude with the P3 Jotaro getup?

[livid portal]

I think the new one

[nova harness]

My theory is Albrecht took continuity once and got himself a better body

[amber terrace]

But didn’t Albrecht swear off continuity after his encounter with our favorite eldritch horror(Wally)?

[nova harness]

He did but this is 1999

He probably already had a body spare before meeting Wally and decided to use it

[amber terrace]

Ah, so what’s the deal with him and his Kavat entering the cryo pod thingy as his 1999 body? I was under the presumption that this was well into the Orokin era?

[livid portal]

He is still in there i believe

[prime lantern]

To put himself in a quantum superposition

[amber terrace]

I really gotta stop trying to understand the void and chronology in Warframe’s lore

[nova harness]

He probably had a body he put in a coffin and slept or the coffin had some magic and changed his appearance

[prime lantern]

Quantum superposition arnt related to time

It's schrondingers cat (kavat)

[nova harness]

Medicore did you get the proof for experiment 9 yet?

[livid portal]

Experiment 9?

[prime lantern]

Yea

My alliance member is still wrong because this can't be referring to umbra because umbra found this and was going to snitch on ballas for it

[nova harness]

Experiment 9 could've been anything

[prime lantern]

A random peice of lore that was never elaborated on

[livid portal]

Ok

[livid portal]

December🤤

[nova harness]

December could be December 2023 or 2024

Did they say it was coming this year?

[livid portal]

Yep

[nova harness]

It will probably come with cross save

[livid portal]

Its coming in parts I believe

Could be wrong

[nova harness]

Parts?

[livid portal]

Stages

[thick jolt]

Basically some updates will prepare some under the hood changes for crossave

[nova harness]

Like the console plat change?

[thick jolt]

They mentioned more backend stuff like preparing for database merge and such

[nova harness]

I want cross trade and Clan

I want save so people stop asking when its coming

And it will bring more players

So many are waiting for save to start playing again

[livid portal]

They keep going on and on about it lol

[nova harness]

Its the biggest question in Warframe history at this point

[livid portal]

Definitely

[scarlet basalt]

Man in the wall send you to his domain
The banger ost :

[nova harness]

On Twitter, you see loads of people asking for cross-save or saying they wont play until it releases and yes I said Twitter X is deleted from my brain

[scarlet basalt]

they really made such a good ost to know that you're in a very dangerous place while it's also a banger is so funny like am i trying to escape or to rave with MITW ?

[livid portal]

Someone on reddit sent me a deaththreat because I said be patient for cross save lol

[nova harness]

People on the internet be crazy

[livid portal]

Yep

[obtuse gyro]

What does that translate to?

[rain otter]

Oh Hey it was the thing I said.

[nova harness]

What do you think would happen if you used Continuity on Wally?

[obtuse gyro]

What does it translate to?

[rain otter]

I was just thinking it would say it in the Orokin Ipad.

[obtuse gyro]

say what?

[rain otter]

I was just talking to Medicore about how if Experiment 9 was a thing in the quest it would be on the Vitruvian (Orokin Ipad).

[obtuse gyro]

so that translates to experiment 9?

[rain otter]

Part of it does yes I think.

[nova harness]

We just dont know what experiment 9 is

[prime lantern]

Idk but the part I care about is in English

[opaque star]

I'm sort of adjacent in that I am playing from time to time but I haven't bought any packs or plat in game for like three years as I wait to see how cross save turns out and what pros/cons comes with it.

[radiant totem]

Oh whats experiment 9??

Oh nvm lol

[fleet veldt]

9th attempt at making Excalibur, possibly.

[near rune]

No, "Subject 9" is written in English in the red circle. The Orokin text on the picture elsewhere says "sample" and "hand".

There's other English text as well but it's quite small

[obtuse gyro]

Cant see its too small

[scarlet basalt]

i just noticed that the last ost when there was the countdown for tennolive.
It's the OST for whispers of the wall
Which means that we're going to hear hungarian throat singing while we fight abomination

please DE release this song 😭
I just want this banger ost in my somachord (kinda tired of hearing duviri)
And also DE can we do playlist ? instead of hearing every song ?

[prime lantern]

Tiss what she proclaimed

[scarlet basalt]

Is there any information about abyss of dagath ? Like will there be new gameplay involving infested or it's just naberus quest ?
(people thought that it may be the deadlock protocol of infested)

[nova harness]

All we know is Dagath's story involves a Naberus tale from Entrati Grandmother. Her component blueprints are likely acquired from the new crypt room buildable in the Clan Dojo.

[scarlet basalt]

that would be one of the worst way to introduce a warframe but okay
(the first one is to do another citrine type of gameplay)

[prime lantern]

Gram Gram will outbid a second corpus because she is bored

[rain otter]

oh yeah there will be a dojo room.

[nova harness]

It will probably be like Yareli

Just without the quest

[scarlet basalt]

if they do that they should just stop making a game and jsut do webcomics

like this would just be the worst way to introduce a warframe 💀
And they're good at making either disappointement or good things
I just hope they do good things

my copium is taking me and i gaslighted myself to hear that they're going to do a quest

They didn't say a quest
Well
I will stop myself of gaslighting me

[nova harness]

The only 2 quests they announced were Warframe 1999 and Whispers

[scarlet basalt]

so there's no naberus change, it's just : keep farming infested
That's lame

[nova harness]

Nabarus is going to teach us about the 54th Warframe

[scarlet basalt]

yeahh
But ngl they could just do things like : Add those 3 messed up cetus people (or something like that)
Add the jack'o naut as an enemy
Add whatever dagoth will be fighting
And they could reward ressource 😭

[nova harness]

I just wanna see what the room looks like

[scarlet basalt]

if it's a graveyard, can nekros spam his 4 ?

[nova harness]

You can’t use abilities in dojo rooms

Well you can in duel room

Even tho the controls for them are blacked out

[supple dagger]

Gray what’re your thoughts on Whispers in The Walls and 1999?

[near rune]

I'm very excited for Whispers in the Walls. Like this is the peak of what I would want. 1999, less so but we'll see. As for specific theories, I generally refrain from speculating on future story direction so I can enjoy the content DE puts out without my own bias influencing it.

[supple dagger]

That’s fair. I also can’t wait for Whispers to come out

[rain otter]

Werid. This update is gonna have like a Lotta QoL and Grandma explaining Dagaths name and stuff so shRug.

[scarlet basalt]

ngl i do hope that this could expand a lot more about the infested, given that they've shown her on deimos (copium yes)

[rain otter]

Maybe I just am way more base level positive.

[scarlet basalt]

even tho, how the hell do you explain a hole in your face 😭

[rain otter]

That could be a quest later this year or next year but it could be this quest.

The QoL is just sounds so nice.

[near rune]

she lost her head

[vagrant sphinx]

that's where she mounts her exalted rpg

[compact haven]

Dagath casts: "get rekt"

[stiff cedar]

Anyone have a screenshot of the Fragmented One from the TennoLive trailer? I want to show my friend,but my phone is weird about taking screenshots.

[last widget]

Wally was feeling quirky.

[smoky schooner]

Did the preview stream include what her alt helmet would look like? Not sure how they can keep the theme of no-face, or if they even try to.

[midnight salmon]

Oi

hi i'm brazilian where would be the brazilian chat?

because I want to talk about the games and help

?

[neat osprey]

when the grimore comes out the wealthy can become statue of liberty

[rain otter]

There will be a stream In September talking about it more.

[supple dagger]

Theory about 1999 :
Later we will find out that they found King Arthur's DNA in the Excalibur Sword... Then they generated this new Arthur in a surrogate with that DNA... That's why he became this super soldier... But that wasn't enough, they wanted to perfect him even more, so they turned it into a Frame.

[fleet veldt]

What if our Warframe components those black marketeers were buying up got loat in the Void, and were spat out in an alternative 1990's, leading to secret agencies reverse-engineering it, trying to weaponise it (resulting in an 'Infested Lite' situation, which is terrible enough for the 1990's, not to mention the Technocyte itself, possible Void entities and the reconstituted Warframes-turned-into-suits)?

I mean sure they get lost all the time (my mental excuse for bosses having a limitless supply of said blueprints), but that is an angle of possibility.

[neat osprey]

I think 1999 is just the year 1999 in warframes past

maybe the reason Arthur looks like excalibur is because he is the Dax that will become Excalibur Prime

[zenith jacinth]

Or just the person, not all frames were made with dax

Most of them were made using """volunteers"""

[prime lantern]

It's called voluntelling

They were voluntold to be warframes

[autumn turret]

We know of one actual volunteer

[radiant totem]

Lol i love all the theorys

[oblique thunder]

its over if game theory makes a video about Warframe lore

[supple dagger]

They did one time but it was like general knowledge that everyone knew. If they saw what the game is nowadays, they would lose their minds

[oblique thunder]

I know that video,I meant the actual full-on lore,would be fun to watch seeing how they did fnaf lore

[supple dagger]

Ohh yea that would be super fun to watch. Also nice pfp

[oblique thunder]

thanks buddy,I found this Gauss fanart and it looked amazing so I used it

[zenith jacinth]

I feel bad for gauss mains not getting the prime, but I think it's also incredibly funny because of how certain everyone was that the next prime would be gauss

[oblique thunder]

They did say it was gonna be wisp prime then gauss prime or the other way around

[zenith jacinth]

Couldn't have been the other way around due to the gender pattern

[supple dagger]

Yeaaaa one of them was me lol. But hey at least Grendal players are eating good. Gauss and Grendal are buddies after all

[zenith jacinth]

Grendel is among my favorite frames, right up there with lavos, nidus and now kullervo

All of them have one thing in common; they be health tanks

[oblique thunder]

never used kullervo, how do he work cause i forgor

[zenith jacinth]

Stab stuff. A lot.

[oblique thunder]

alr alr i think i know

[zenith jacinth]

First ability is too good. I get 224% additive crit chance from it with just a maxed primed intensify

2 is just overguard generator, 3 chains damage to other nemies caught by it, 4 is a passive combo generator

I rarely get below 12x combo through decay in endless missions

My favorite weapon to use with him is syam because it sends out a shockwave on heavy attacks. His passive increases heavy attack windup speed and has 75% heavy attack efficiency, meaning they only use 1/4th of the combo count

[supple dagger]

I’m excited for Dagath. She looks really interesting. Plus, we also get her lore too which is nice. I’m glad that newer frames are all getting lore and aren’t just thrown into the game with no backstory

[zenith jacinth]

Combine that with everything else and you can get to sanctuary onslaught lvl 7 with just an unranked syam

[torpid arch]

newer warframes are just better unfortunately

[rain otter]

what?

Kullvero is the newest warframe.

like Grendel also broken after the rework.

[zenith jacinth]

"Newer warframes are just better"
Huh, didn't know wukong, nezha and saryn were new frames

Also, yareli

[torpid arch]

yareli

[zenith jacinth]

Recentness has nothing to do with how good a frame is

[torpid arch]

its my opinion that the newer a frame is, the higher the likelyhood that it will be more usable within the current state of warframe

therefore making them on average, better

[zenith jacinth]

Except that's not the case at all, as the meta still revolves around mostly older frames

All frames are good, there is no "better" or "worse", just more specialized uses

[torpid arch]

hydroid lol

[zenith jacinth]

He's very old and is now getting reworked

[torpid arch]

:)

[zenith jacinth]

Can think of any other examples?

[torpid arch]

frost to some extent

[zenith jacinth]

He's great for defense, usable for everything else

[torpid arch]

pretty much every warframe is usable

[zenith jacinth]

Exactly

[torpid arch]

never said they werent

[zenith jacinth]

If they're usable, they're good enough. Hydroid isn't usable anymore, he really needs that rework

Chroma could probably do with a rework too

[rain otter]

Frost also slowly getting buffed.

Frost probably still needs a rework though.

[obtuse gyro]

Not entirely, theres a few ice wizard builds out there designed to bring him past defence by making the best defence his offence

Ala avalanche with all those augments

[autumn turret]

he literally did, it was sponsored

[prime lantern]

I can 2 shot un armored stripped corrupt heavy gunners with frost at level cap

[prime lantern]

There's also a funny build where shoving enemies into walls with snow globe does 50% of there hp as true damage

[obtuse gyro]

It was also bad, but cant blame him, it was in the early days and he didnt really have that much time to look through everything

[prime lantern]

Idk dawg red critting breach surges are pretty good

[rain otter]

Anyone can do that.

Beach Surge Red Crits with a ham Sandwich.

[prime lantern]

Very few frames have global cc buffs

[stiff osprey]

i want this so bad

[vagrant sphinx]

that would be amazing

dunno how you'd integrate into the main story....but then again 1999 exists

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, 1999 is a time traveling story about albretch entrati so

Its not hard to see how you can integrate 1999 into the story

[livid portal]

We can time travel

[ember pilot]

anyone else got dejavu from watch dogs and aiden pierce?

[obtuse gyro]

Jetstream sam babey

[last widget]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-25512686

[vagrant sphinx]

smexy sam

[supple dagger]

its so old though

[autumn turret]

i thought it was just a bit before the new war

[supple dagger]

in terms of "current" lore

it's old

plus he was rushed to get the video out in a certain time frame, didnt have enough time to research a lot, etc

I could get a video that just covers the void and wallys shenanigans and it would be longer and more concise that matpats video

or yknow

https://youtu.be/5IWz8Bx4uvU?si=Cg4OoTG8XeWns0c4

or this which is 8 hours shorter but more recent
https://youtu.be/YKeT8SoRUB8?si=ykx4bjp0UpGOhhyU

oh my god Byf (the destiny lore guy) did warframe stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Byf already struggles to get new destiny lore right💀

[rain otter]

I still think this could be better. Also the timeline has actually been flipped a little with Kullevro and stuff.

I need to make a Timeline.

[obtuse gyro]

What parts were flipped?

[rain otter]

Okay with Kullevro his crimes say the Tenno didn't come out of the like WARP in the Zariman until after they made the proto frames.

[obtuse gyro]

That's uh, not what was said in his crimes

[rain otter]

It is.

[obtuse gyro]

No, its really not

[rain otter]

It's said that The Tenno show up.

What does the Arrival of the Tenno Mean?@obtuse gyro

[obtuse gyro]

and does it say "arrival from the void"?

it doesnt

[rain otter]

What does Arrival mean?

[obtuse gyro]

The "arrival" could easily refer to when they were actually incorporated into the warframe project

not when they actually arrived back in system

[rain otter]

Cus they can't Arrive from Lua.

But it also could mean that?

[obtuse gyro]

yes?

[rain otter]

Also seemingly they didn't start controlling warframes until after cuz this Is his next crime.

[obtuse gyro]

doesnt change what I said about finally incorporating them into the project, they still had to build exca around them

[rain otter]

Anyway

The point is Kullevro werid.

[obtuse gyro]

alternatively, silvana comparing the transference project to an orokin war project (in that is better that its not one) might indicate that tenno emergence and care was during the old war

[rain otter]

Also all of Duviri seems to have like Clarifications and stuff.

Like specifically saying Kuva is from the Void and stuff.

[pale olive]

It's been 10 years since Warframe still hasn't collaborated with other games, when do you think they will collaborate?

[supple dagger]

With the 2024 Warframe-Fortnite collab.

[odd crane]

It is known warframes rebelled against the Orokin, it is known from the vitruvian, the emergence of Tenno and Transference brought them back as means of been weapons and probably the change from been individuals to mass produced models.

[nova harness]

Best you're gonna get is the fact Soulframe was at Tennocon and maybe Tennocons in the future

[scarlet basalt]

They should end the community war between D2 and warframe by just making those two collabs

[whole ivy]

Lotus is in smash bros tho

[real niche]

A lore nerd weeps every time this video is posted

[zenith jacinth]

Oh void no

[graceful zodiac]

Not, it doesn't say it's from the Void, but that it has a property like the Void

[odd crane]

I think in the Deimos plaques it reference it but not in name as comming from the void and used for continuity.

[prime lantern]

Nope it says a void derived

obtain something from (a specified source).
"they derived great comfort from this assurance"

base a concept on a logical extension or modification of (another concept).
"Eliot derived his poetics from the French Symbolists"

(of a word) have (a specified word, usually of another language) as a root or origin.

So any definition of the word derived requires the orokin to know the void exists or for the void to have modified a fluid

[graceful zodiac]

That's still the point. The ability to body jump, that's something Void like. Kuva itself isn't from the Void

[prime lantern]

Derived is not a different word for like atsia

Void like and void derived are 2 different things

[nova harness]

Derrive
obtain something from (a specified source

Like
having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.

[radiant belfry]

I remember they did a crossover with pubg

[thick jolt]

What quote says its void derived btw ? Just for the sake of finding it

[prime lantern]

The zariman tablets from duviri

The question is what is kuva

1. A void derived fluid capable of housing conscious (correct)

2. Something with cephalons I forgor

[thick jolt]

This makes me think there might be a place on earth that originally gushed kuva
I say this because albrechts logs seem to put continuity pre void discovery

[rain otter]

I watched the like Albretch things recently it seems people knew the Void existed just didn't have any way to harness it or anything.

[prime lantern]

Continuity comes before most things tbh

[rain otter]

But also Kuva might just happen? Cuz like the Worm Queen gets it from the air.

So like idk.

[thick jolt]

Yeah i wonder if they will explain kuva in this new arc

[odd crane]

It seems that for the Orokin empire the knowledge of the void was known and they already extracted somehow Kuva from it but until Albrech managed to pass through they dismissed it as a nothing dimention.

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[prime lantern]

If they pulled kuva out of it then they'd know its not nothing

[odd crane]

Nothing as you cannot go there, you cannot interact with it and cannot do somethign with it.

Albrech changed that by going there and interacting, this opened many possibilities the most important been the FTL travel.

[zenith jacinth]

The void is called that because it was empty and useless

[prime lantern]

Except all of albretchs studies showed nothing

Not that they couldn't go there

But that it was literally a void no energy no form no entanglement

[odd crane]

well they got the Kuva from it because Orokin were "immortal" before Albrech and they used Kuva for it.

[zenith jacinth]

The worm can extract kuva without accessing the void

[prime lantern]

Right but the issue now is kuva Is a void derived fluid

[nova harness]

I bet the Void was spitting Kuva into places

[odd crane]

So the Albrechs story from the wiki at least says continuity existed before the radiation wars

We need to know when Orokin turned blue because his portrait and the family are big and blue, but he is not.

[prime lantern]

His logs say it came before smoke aswell

[nova harness]

If the Queens succeeded in stealing our body would they have got our powers?

[prime lantern]

Maybe

Both attempts at tenno continuity got Ruth Goldberg machined

[rain otter]

It's just a thing they can do to their bodies if they want.

We have the Skin Dye thing for it.

This thing. Old Orokin Tech.

[nova harness]

Wasn’t that just mimicry?

[cobalt shard]

warframe has had a few collabs in the past. someone already mentioned the lotus being a spirit in smash ultimate, then there's the unreal tournament skins, and PUBG mobile had an event where you could earn excal umbra and wukong prime skins.

[rain otter]

Well wouldn't you tell your citizens it was mimicry?

[graceful zodiac]

Other way around. The fluid isn't from the Void, just it's ability to body jump was found to be related to the Void

[rain otter]

Like you don't want people thinking they could be like you would you?

[rain otter]

We take it from the air I feel like it's somehow more related than we think.

Also if the only reason Orokin look like they do is from Dying their skin and the Using Body like modification Tech someone could totally pretend to be a Orokin. That would be a cool story that DE could do.

[prime lantern]

Astia words have meaning

[prime lantern]

Astia you arguing against the actual lore given to us by de

[graceful zodiac]

That is the meaning. The sentence literally says that it's the ability to move consciousness that's void derived

[prime lantern]

The term derived means according to the Oxford English dictionary
obtain something from (a specified source)
.

[prime lantern]

A void derived fluid capable of housing consciousness

[graceful zodiac]

It doesn't say void derived fluid though

[prime lantern]

A fluid that obtained the ability to house conscious from the void

What is 'kuva'?

A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

B. The liquid remnants of departed Orokin saints

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, it's ability to body jump is somehow connected to the Void. But the fluid itself isn't, along with all it's other properties

[nova harness]

Derived literally means comes from

[prime lantern]

How is it here before the heart of deimos is open

[nova harness]

Why did Wally have to start making Quizframe?

[rain otter]

I mean in the Voruna Story it reacts pretty wildy with the Void.

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, the Void reacts to it negatively

[prime lantern]

So how do we have a fluid with abilities from the void without the void

[north trail]

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be more of a fashion thing than an effect of their body modifications

[zenith jacinth]

Void can always break through uncontrolled

[real niche]

Same way we have Incarnon Genesis weapons, Void dip it

[prime lantern]

Except we don't have void

[north trail]

he does say he will stop taking the kuva like it's something he has done before

[odd crane]

Could be an attempt on presenting themselves as divine instead of "mere humans"

[prime lantern]

It is

[odd crane]

so at some point all of them transferred to this form that was further in time than Albrechs disappearance.

[north trail]

the thing is we clearly see blue albrecht dressed like an orokin

[nova harness]

Albrecht wasn’t blue tho

[real niche]

Skin color is just as much a fashion choice for the Orokin as choosing your shirt in the morning.

[nova harness]

That’s not blue that’s grey if anything

[real niche]

Whatever.

[rain otter]

This is a Painting so it probably shows him more Vibrant blue than he actually is.

Also he is blue in the Trailer.

[odd crane]

We clearly see a portrait of Albrecht and statues of him who can be made after his disappearance to maintaign the Orokin image.

[real niche]

That's not a natural skin color in Warframe lore as far as the point matters.

[north trail]

that's still not the color he is in the demo

[rain otter]

This is werid lighting but he is very light

[odd crane]

We clearly see a living human form Albrech.

[nova harness]

He’s not blue here either

[north trail]

albrecht was pale in witw and 1999 but we wasn't anywhere close to the orokin we know of, or that painting

[real niche]

Nemesis, the only part that matters is that they're different skin colors.

[rain otter]

Also he specifically trying to look more 1999ish

To fit in.

[real niche]

And that the painting is not a normal skin color

[odd crane]

For Orokin he is on the pale blue

I think the operator/ drifter has that colour.

[north trail]

wally doesn't really try to look like people, he just does

[nova harness]

Albrecht took Kuva maybe a few times if anything then met a guy who changed his mind

[rain otter]

I am saying Albretch is.

[graceful zodiac]

Any number of reasons. Kuva could very much be it's own weird resonance deal and connect to the Void and it's own

[north trail]

that's based on the assumption that albrecht didn't just, you know, live in 1999

which is the most logical thing because he has old human tech in his lab

[prime lantern]

Or he has old tech so the orokin can't spy on him

[odd crane]

We also need to solve the issue with the heart of deimos and warframes

[graceful zodiac]

It pretty much is. Every painting isn't an exact 1 to 1 with the in game model. The only and the model is his hair

[prime lantern]

What issue

[north trail]

where would he get that centuries later

[odd crane]

Original warframes could be older than the heart making it an issue

[prime lantern]

He's rich and he's rich

No they couldn't

[odd crane]

why?

[north trail]

also he was one of the biggest contributors to the orokin civilization

[graceful zodiac]

Original frames were made during the Old War

[prime lantern]

Because the heart of deimos was made a long time before the Warframes

[odd crane]

for what purpose was the hart been made

[real niche]

General Void voodoo

[odd crane]

And original warframes were before the tenno

[nova harness]

To allow space travel

[prime lantern]

Most of the technology in existence

The solar rails

[graceful zodiac]

Made without Tenno in mind, not before

[prime lantern]

The terraforming equipment on planets

[nova harness]

Warframes were made way after the heart

[odd crane]

hm might be I remember a passing mention need to see the transcripts again.

[odd crane]

I am not sure about that do we know at what stage of the old war Zariman reapeared?

[real niche]

Main point being that they had a ton of Void tech before so they needed what is basically a Void transistor.

[north trail]

anyways I don't get why people would assume albrecht being in 1999 is shenanigans and he wasn't just alive then

[prime lantern]

When warframes were made the tenno were on ice and 1 person had a theory that the tenno could control them

That 1 person was named davis

And his theory came long after the warframes were created

[graceful zodiac]

It's because of everything else around it. Having Frames powers, the Voidspeech, the Infestation expy

[odd crane]

well either Orokin are in existence from antiquity as a secret society and took over after something in our future, or Albrech is time traveling, or wally (or Albrech) created another alternative pocket dimention situated in the past.

[graceful zodiac]

1999 is far more likely to just be an alternate reality

[north trail]

but we know literally nothing of that time

for all we know that's just how it was

[odd crane]

My point exactly they were created and put on ice because of their rebelion long before Tenno and the transferance theory became a thing.

[odd crane]

Well we know it is not our 1999 since the text is not any known human language.

[prime lantern]

Or any known language

[north trail]

no one said 1999 in warframe was the same as 1999 in our universe

explaining this with alternate timelines is the opposite of occam's razor

[odd crane]

So we cannot know the technosite virus didn't happen back then.

[prime lantern]

In most cases sure

But considering alternative realities are introduced checkovs gun dictates it might just be one

[real niche]

Not really a Checkov's gun when they already fired it back in TNW and Duviri Paradox

It's just a very easy and convenient answer to what 1999 is.

[prime lantern]

Do guns only have 1 bullet

[north trail]

doesn't mean shooting the gun has to be the solution to every problem

[real niche]

No but it ceases to be Checkov's when the hinting and it being fired for the first time is finished

It's just now a part of the story.

[prime lantern]

Also like the quest about the void having shenanigans means 1999 is either time travel or alternative realiies

[nova harness]

They can

[real niche]

1999 being the actual past or an alt timeline are equally likely at this point. The former does shake up some other related questions about the nature of it, i.e. Arthur not being a Warframe-in-progress.

[north trail]

1999 is probably the past with some time travel involved (and also wally)

or quasi time travel by using transference on arthur (??)

[graceful zodiac]

We absolutely do know, purely from Arthur. Warframe powers would not exist back that, his suit shouldn't exist back then

[prime lantern]

I mean we've had an equal amount of time travel as well as alternative reality so it's a coin flip

[graceful zodiac]

No, they were around the same time. Granted just weren't made with the Tenno in mind

[real niche]

It's just a very funny coincidence that the power he has line up exactly with Excalibur.

[prime lantern]

The tenno were on ice

The warframes before tenno were killed

[north trail]

excal could be based on arthur

[graceful zodiac]

And then still shouldn't exist since their powers are Void based

[real niche]

We don't know what the hell was going on in 1999

[north trail]

wally is there though

[graceful zodiac]

Which is even more reason it's Eternalism shenanigans

[north trail]

couldn't 1999 be when albrecht first saw him

[real niche]

Wally can be where and whenever he wants

[prime lantern]

Is he?

[real niche]

The end with the creepy smile

[prime lantern]

I mean the Dr entrati in the demo has real eyes no

[north trail]

he literally speaks voidtongue

[prime lantern]

Man if only someone perhaps had a voidtongue grimoire

[real niche]

Couldn't be us (we're on the wrong parallel universe)

[north trail]

that's also wally's voice

[prime lantern]

Perhaps invoking voidtongue simply does that

The words have immense power

[solemn glade]

Void guns when

[prime lantern]

Incarnon

[real niche]

Incarnon

[solemn glade]

I mean actual guns that are literally the void

I wanna shoot people as the drifter

[real niche]

Duvuri weapons

[solemn glade]

I WANT GUNS NOW MELEE

[rain otter]

Maybe? The Voruna Story talks about another one of Albretchs books (maybe the same one?) And how it kept the Void horrors away from him.

[solemn glade]

I want AKS

[nova harness]

What was the Archimedean symposium?

[rain otter]

A Meeting of the Archimedean Scientists?

If I had to take a guess.

[prime lantern]

Wait drusus has a book from albretch

Who is the we mentioned in the voruna leverian

"We know this having retrieved it from the site"

[rain otter]

He does?

[prime lantern]

The bottom of the text

[rain otter]

Oh lmao I can't read.

[odd crane]

I am not sure they were killed at least not all of them

[prime lantern]

Who

[rain otter]

Oh he also he Does call it A Girmorie.

[rain otter]

All the Archemedains either died to turn into Cephalons I think.

[obtuse gyro]

the text... did you miss the screen arthur looks at during the demo or what?

[odd crane]

Kulervo is alive from back then the warframe in Rhinos text and all other warframes with it are alive and experimented upon.

[prime lantern]

No rhino is the exception

[odd crane]

was talking about warframes

[prime lantern]

Rhino was kept alive for experiment ballas said he killed the others

[odd crane]

I think it mentions warframes in plurality in its text

[obtuse gyro]

its more likely that kully and the proto-rhino would be some of the few survivors

than all of the proto-frames still being alive

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think the logic stands. It still might be "not our 1999" but its definitely not for the reason you've cited

[fleet veldt]

Possible explanations include:
Eternalism. Yes.

[odd crane]

All of them no some must have died to sentients or in the rebelion

[odd crane]

That would be the only english text on the whole map.

[fleet veldt]

Addendum: Man-in-Wall may be causing Void-related phenomena or a bleedover of various elements from other embodied concepts - like what we're more familiar with.

[odd crane]

Look at the text underneath it.

[obtuse gyro]

what you cant read that?

Says "error"

but also, this is in a heavily corrupted area, quite twisted, I wouldnt be surprised if thats all the same derivative of whats on the walls of the lab

[odd crane]

where on earth any of the seven white texts and the one red says "error"?

[obtuse gyro]

you cant read the texts? did you miss voidtongue 101 in school

[prime lantern]

There was no protoframe rebellion

There was 1 protoframe rebelling and he's alive

[fleet veldt]

The proto-frames -did- rebel. Did you not complete The Sacrifice? Did you not listen to the Vitruvian entries from Ballas?

[prime lantern]

I would not call being mindless savages rebelling

[obtuse gyro]

traitor twice over remember? Ballas says the frames turned on them, and then kullervo left them all to die

[fleet veldt]

They were driven mad by being turned into Infested and tortured, brutalized, eviscerated by the Orokin.

Though there may be more to it depending on what you look into.

[prime lantern]

Rebelling implies some semblance of organization

[radiant totem]

What did i miss

Ooh theorizing

[prime lantern]

Trailer cause he bailed on his demeted siblings

And then traiter to the orokin

[obtuse gyro]

orokin first then his siblings, ballas's timeline of events were that they committed the frames to the grave, and then picking up from that point, kullervo leaves his siblings

[odd crane]

As I see it they rebelled against the Orokin for reasons and the brutal mutilation and experiments were done after in a desperate attemt to make them be "loyal" (or at least controlable) again.

because the warframes were effective and a war needed to be won.

[fleet veldt]

Orokin had Dax under the Kuva. Frames were unaffected by such (so I'd guess?) and were 'free', but also twisted into living monsters.

They didn't know how to therapy so they killed the lot off. Until the Tenno were recovered and experimented with.

They found a solution with them.

[prime lantern]

Warframes are affected by kuva

[static palm]

they be?

[prime lantern]

The kuva somehow protects others from your abilitys and weapons

[fleet veldt]

Yes, but at the time the Orokin may not have had a solid idea on how the Kuva can be used beyond what they did use it for.

The way the Twin Queens used it may've taken hundreds or thousands of years of R&D to figure out, and they had little to nothing to distract themselves with after the Empire fell.

[odd crane]

Another good point we do not know the timelines of the old war because Orokin are immortal.

Could be a millenia between warframes their rebelion and the Tenno solution.

[supple dagger]

All I can kinda imagine is the KQ bringing in a bunch of Grineer Commanders or other high level leaders and being like "drink this", and various hijinks ensue

[fleet veldt]

True. Lotus does also mention about a millenia-old Orokin derelict when Lephantis.

As for the Kuva Queens and the Kuva... That's how we got Liches.

[graceful zodiac]

It's not. Silver Grove established that Warframes and Transference were developed relatively the same time period, just not in consideration of the other

[fleet veldt]

Does beg the question of where the Vessels project fits in as that, too, uses Transference. Same with Necramechs if you want direct control.

[static palm]

Man, I still gotta do that quest... And like literally all the other optional ones...

[prime lantern]

Mechs come before proto frames

[graceful zodiac]

Not Transference, we can just connect to it's controls like with Mechs

[fleet veldt]

Yeah.
Some form of pre-Transference-related control given how Vilcor/Father was able to patch the Tenno in on some crude remote-control connection.

[obtuse gyro]

mechs predate protoframes, but father just figured out how to do the ghostbuster taboo and cross streams, as for the vessels, its evident from human loid not knowing what we are that although the vessel needed an operator just like us according to albrecht's notes, the vessels were never built with us in mind

[fleet veldt]

But what if they were? Albrecht was both behind, ahead, above, below, and beside his time since his Void incident.

I look forward to learning more when that update comes.

[prime lantern]

Or timey whimy shenanigans and albretch did build them for us

[obtuse gyro]

I mean even if albrecht was building the vessels for an operator of our kind, which ever bugger built the actual thing didnt think of us while constructing (unless albrecht suffered like thanos with the burden of knowledge and made some of the ugliest bodies for our control)

[odd crane]

I am unsure on that, what margulis transferance was creating was not for warframes, they killed her long before.

[graceful zodiac]

She wasn't, no

[prime lantern]

The only transference was made based on tenno

[obtuse gyro]

margulis's transference project was quickly adopted into the warframe project so

[odd crane]

Also on that I wonder if Albrech "vessels" were a proto stansference project?

[fleet veldt]

It's possible that he may've had 'our kind' in mind, but didn't know how we'd look - or had a specific agenda in mind for their design.

Like punching Wall-Man in the face, and other regions.

[prime lantern]

Because that's our inate ability the orokin were able to replicate it with tech somehow

[odd crane]

Again quickly on whose report? an imortals? for the Orokin "quickly" can be centuries.

[obtuse gyro]

"wally is up to some doodoo, this is what it might feel like, in case of doodoo, apply to vessel forehead" - albrecht's grimoire, page 6

[fleet veldt]

Basically. Except 'page 6' is where 'page 1ͪͪ̒9ͪͫͦ9͋̇ͩ9̄̈͒' should be.

[prime lantern]

Break Glass if god escapes

[odd crane]

If we do not have an Operator/ Drifter line when using the book saying "I am going to thro the entire book on you" it is going to be a really missed oportunity.

[prime lantern]

I really want a gravity falls moment where "HOW TO KILL GOD" Is on whiteboard at des headquarters

[obtuse gyro]

on that the simple scientist was alive for both the original transference project and for the tenno-frame project? The orokin may live forever, but is that not a priviledge of the blue skins?

[fleet veldt]

His book is reading us though.

[odd crane]

Davro at 160? is considered a young adult

Not sure how long lived the Archimedians were

[fleet veldt]

Perhaps to the near thousands? May be a wild push.

[graceful zodiac]

Someone who literally worked on the transference project, Silvana. She's explicit but the project Margulis pulled her on was about helping the kids

[obtuse gyro]

unless you want to somehow show that silvana worked on the warframe project at the end of her life after so long, "they lived long" isnt that strong of an argument

[fleet veldt]

Lifespans may vary depending on birthworld and other conditions.

[graceful zodiac]

There's no consideration they even used such long time scale at all

Unless specifically said, like with Ballas

[odd crane]

Silvana was pushed on the second? warframe project despite her will? was she on the first one? then the warframes that rebelled were not killed

[graceful zodiac]

Silvana was pushed onto to the project after the connection was discovered

[fleet veldt]

Until they panic, Orokin may deliberately take weeks/months/years to make progress due to longer lifespans giving them a 40k Necron type of temporal awareness.

[obtuse gyro]

she was definitely on the second warframe project

[odd crane]

That is what I beleive

[obtuse gyro]

she most likely wasnt on the first warframe project

[fleet veldt]

The first one did not involve Transference - or at least the version that we're aware of or that has been known to the Orokin upper-class equivalent of 'the public'.

[graceful zodiac]

She definitely wasn't

[obtuse gyro]

this isnt a matter of belief, she whines about it as much while dropping enough buzzwords to identify it as the second

[odd crane]

first warframe project happens they rebel, transference is developed, margulis dies, transference is found to work on warframes, second warframe project.

[graceful zodiac]

Silvana only works on Warframes explicitly after they discovered the Tenno can control them

[graceful zodiac]

Marg only dies after the connection is discovered

[obtuse gyro]

does she? theres a line about using the kids for war somewhere init?

[odd crane]

Margulis dies long before the connection is discovered

[obtuse gyro]

somewhere around TSD or apostasy perhaps

[odd crane]

TSD is Margulis

Se does not want the kids dead and Orokin do

Ballas presents the transferance as a solution after her death cries

[graceful zodiac]

That's not why she was killed though

[odd crane]

I think that is the reason

let me check

[fleet veldt]

She was killed for defying the Will of The Seven; to weaponize the children (or, initially, get rid of them but Ballas managed to do -a bit- of convincing, but Margulis didn't like the limited options Ballas had and so history as-is-has-been).

[graceful zodiac]

She was killed for not wanting them to be weaponized

[obtuse gyro]

nah she didnt want us killed

[fleet veldt]

Then again, Orokin have had access to all sorts of facilities, Ballas could've easily faked the Tennos' death and kept them hidden for the weaponized Transference project if it came to it, I'd presume given how he kept Natah and Umbra a sort of secret until they weren't.

[obtuse gyro]

and then immediately, ballas was like "hee hee using my dead wife's tech"

[obtuse gyro]

that cant be it no, ballas does refer to the incident in rhino prime

[fleet veldt]

True. I was postulating.

[prime lantern]

You know what I want

I want to find davises notes

[red hedge]

A'ight fam, who's gonna be the first Tenno to play Nine Inch Nails on Shawzin

[graceful zodiac]

It's already been done

[obtuse gyro]

but also regardless on how long lived orokin are, few years are a few years

[fleet veldt]

Speaking of words, I wonder if the Murmur units will be named after Requiems, if not shaped after each?

Gameplay wise I feel they'd be more vulnerable to ability damage and have a raised non-ability damage resistance.

[prime lantern]

I hope eventually we can ditch the grimoire lore wise and cast spells as the tenno

A common theme I've seen in wf is that all of our abilities have bene our abilities and we've just been using tech because we didn't know they were our abilities

[odd crane]

Actually it is depended on how long lived one is, but we should assume that line is for us so it should refer to a short spawn of less than a decade.

[obtuse gyro]

exactly

[odd crane]

we do not know how long the tenno were held outside of Lua to be experimented upon, we know that they were left there for probably less than a decade.

Not sure why they were not killed though

[obtuse gyro]

thank ballas

[odd crane]

After Margulis death who protected them, assuming it was not Orokin bureocracy.

[obtuse gyro]

thank ballas

[fleet veldt]

The discovery of Transference, and Ballas managing to convince the Orokin superiors that the Tenno could be useful.

Literal magical kids, trained in the Old Ways, armed with Gun and Blade via Warframes to confine their power.

[odd crane]

Yes but I would assume the Orokin would act fast, faster than leaving them for transference to luckilly be found.

[fleet veldt]

Orokin (before the war escalated to the point where Ballas had to doublecross everyone for his own survival) were slowpokes.

[odd crane]

the rhino prime entry does not describe any timeline only that for the second researcher Zariman was lost and never returned so the Orkin had it covered up.

[graceful zodiac]

Umbra and all the Prime trailers go against that

[prime lantern]

I mean I know why we can't use abilitys based on physicality we are a child

[odd crane]

Umbra and the warframes Ballas created use the heart to fuel their void abilities, we jsut control them.

Why we cannot be the conduit, I do not know.

[prime lantern]

But I don't see a reason why we the tenno couldn't summon an exalted blade

[neat osprey]

I remember rhino and ember prime used to have stupid long descriptions about lore but they were changed

[graceful zodiac]

Very easily just not be our powers work

[prime lantern]

What

[odd crane]

Theoretically possible for individual tennos and possibly teachable between Tenno, but practically? proably the Tenno nenver got enouph out of the pod practice to train for such abilities to develop.

[graceful zodiac]

There's no reason to think that our powers are anything but the specific expressions we can do

[rich river]

Nova had a bit of hers removed too cuz it implied she was already from the orokin era or something but that's what primes are.

[covert plank]

Reminder that our lore is just straight up bad explained

[zenith jacinth]

Both primes and regular frames are from the orokin era

[zenith jacinth]

Not really, no

[atomic lantern]

are there any estimations for cross progression yet?

id really get back into the game if it comes out and gets stable

[autumn turret]

sometime after october

and before december

[atomic lantern]

sheesh so soon

i assume they have been working on it for a while then

best not to get the hype up too early

[rain otter]

untrue.

like the Tablets in Duviri really help.

[covert plank]

If you believe that this is the proper way to teach about the lore then you have low standards

And don’t ping me ffs

[zenith jacinth]

How would we know not to ping you? No need to be so aggressive

And that's not theonly way we learn lore, which you'd know if you actually care about it

[rain otter]

I just think its a cool way to test lore knowledge and clarify things.

[neat osprey]

I say December

[prime lantern]

When powers are shaped by my will I should be able to shape my will in the shape of a sword no?

[prime lantern]

Me when I am not spoon fed every piece of information

[graceful zodiac]

Are they though? Flowery language about the Void does not translate to our powers being the same

[prime lantern]

No but onkko being specific about Amps amplifying and being an extention of our will

Would lead one to Believe our will is our power

Also we have pretty limited sample size when it comes to trained tenno

By limited I mean we have met a total of 0 trained tenno who arnt us

[rain otter]

Well I mean finding Children that survived like a void jump accident on a city Sized ship with void powers would be pretty hard.

[prime lantern]

They found enough for a material

What

Phone what are you on

Material is supposed to be military

[rain otter]

I mean I would say there where like let's say some hundred Tenno and they where used as like a special forces of the Orokin.

[graceful zodiac]

Not really. Extension of our will is common turn of phrase for extending your power, but will just means whatever your power is, not literal willpower

[prime lantern]

"Here we create the instrument with which you might co-author the future. The Amp, Tenno, will magnify your power and your will." Seems like our will is different yet linked to our power

[twilit geode]

Duviri continues to give me Gorgon Wraith, which has zero forma in it, as opposed to my Prisma Gorgon, which has 3 forma and a maxed out Incarnon adapter on it.

[plucky pagoda]

Game Theory: WF 1999 is actually a warped version of Excalibur's backstory from when he was a human. The Infested growths on the walls of the subway station reminded me of the growths we see in Umbra's flashbacks in Sacrifice. The computer-Infested things look similar, too. I think that the quest takes place right as Jetstream Sam Arthur was about to completely transform into a frame. Frames aren't suits of armor, they're Infested biomechanical flesh puppets. Would also explain Arthur randomly collapsing at times.

[zenith jacinth]

Sell your gorgon wraith? It gives you the highest tier that you own, so clearly wraith>prisma for some reason

[vagrant pagoda]

What im most wondering about WF 1999 is how exactly it will play.

will it be a one time thing IE new war, or some new area like duviri.

[rain otter]

probably like a combo of both.

like Kahl and Duviri mixed probably. it will be faster and like stuff compared to the new War.

[vagrant pagoda]

Maybe it will end up being more akin to a true open world.

[rain otter]

EHHHHHH

[vagrant pagoda]

i suppose we will see more next year.

[vagrant pagoda]

Insane probably completely untrue theory time.

1999 could introduce infested adversaries.

[cunning copper]

That's basically describing Hayden, lol

[stiff osprey]

honestly plausible

[vagrant pagoda]

If im wrong, well i said id be wrong, if not then its a nice surpise!

[cunning copper]

This particular detail keeps throwing me off with the timeline of the story quests

If they were under the second dream the entire time from Margulis' project onwards until Second Dream (the quest), how did they learn to use their powers and attack Erra in the cinematic?

[torpid arch]

i hope grendel gets some bug fixes when his prime comes out

if youre in an open world and use feast, sometimes you just sit there and it lasts for a while and you cannot move. Eating one of the vomvalysts in the narmer plains missions just kills you.

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri enemies using default grineer images in the little display thing showing which enemies he has eaten is a bit weird

[torpid arch]

i never get him for duviri for some reason so i didnt see that one, huh weird

aparently the infested leaper that explodes, will also explode after you eat them which is dumb

[wicked iron]

We have woken up and went back into the Dream at various times during the Old War, is my guess.

[graceful zodiac]

We also knew who we were during the Old War

[near rune]

The way the Tenno looked and acted during that scene made it look to me like the Operators were under the direct control of the Lotus, not really using our powers consciously.

[graceful zodiac]

Thinking we're the frame wasn't an Old War thing

[cunning copper]

It's possible that's exclusively a player problem

But we won't know if any other tenno had affected memory because we haven't met any

The closest we got, was putting Rell down when he lost control and was nearly possessed by Wally

[obtuse gyro]

You see that state they were in? That was the pre-WW power set, with all that flying and lazer beams

Meaning conscious deliberate action like we have now aint really on the cards

[cunning copper]

And at the same time, Varzia references use of amps in the Old War and the Orokin Collapse

So either we did walk around regularly outside of a Warframe, or we didn't

[zenith jacinth]

Or both

[plucky pagoda]

Most likely the case imo

[hazy basin]

why warframe back to primetive.we need nokia 3310.

[ocean void]

Did DE hint the Warframe 1999? Like these skins?

[near rune]

These are direct references to DE's previous game Dark Sector. There are guns by the same names or similar names in that game. Warframe 1999 also looks a lot like Dark Sector, and we'll have to see when it comes out how closely it's related, if at all.

[frail nymph]

Bruh StarllorD did the "oro means soul" thing again...

Made a video claiming there are no alternate timelines and that Dominus is the original Tenno who made the deal while Drifter is a void manifestation.

Basically didn't realise that alternate and rewritten timelines are not mutually contradictory concepts, and ignored/forgot the part where Drifter realises Dominus didn't make Duviri.

[near rune]

I actually see where StallorD is coming from with his theory, and while I don't agree with it, I don't think it's necessarily invalid. It's not the straightforward interpretation and it requires a good deal of explanation, but it could potentially be true. But I don't think so. And my main issue with his video is that he could be a little more clear on how it's mostly speculation.

[zenith jacinth]

Loretubers always think their word is fact

[nova harness]

At least Tactical Potato says that his are all speculation

[supple dagger]

He’s the best one out there

[wicked iron]

wat

I still want to punch Human Loid for being mean to our floaty little buddy. q_q

Though, one super cool and interesting thing did come of that. We found out Cephalons can be made by copying minds, not just by glassing people to make them into Cephalons.

[prime lantern]

Or that loid Is a second more sinister thing

[hazy basin]

de are you going to back to the future

[prime lantern]

Mayhaps

[north trail]

i just realized that the fact the 1999 reveal starts with us entering the vessel is probably irrelevant

they've done transitions like that before

like going from railjack to duviri

[nova harness]

You mean when the Railjack crashed into Duviri?

[wicked iron]

Very true.

[north trail]

ALTHOUGH, arthur passes out which could mean we transference into him

[nova harness]

He passes out because he just went on a 30 kill streak and got tired

[sweet fjord]

Jumping back in after a long stent... So I'm in the new war. How much longer do I have with this storyline after I kill the three archons?

[nova harness]

After you kill the 3 Archons you get to the final Boss aka Ballas and it ends

[sweet fjord]

Thank God. Thank you.

Not the biggest fan of roguelite. I do like it in general but not when I want to play Warframe

[nova harness]

Third one will be easier than the first 2 trust me

[sweet fjord]

Was there a kill order? Or they just get progressively easier?

I killed that anaconda looking one first

[nova harness]

Third one is a more fair fight due to what you have access to

[sweet fjord]

Thanks man. It's been a couple years since I've played. I got to relook at some of this lore stuff online because I'm getting a little confused

[nova harness]

You’ll be shocked at the end of the quest

Which Archon did you pick second?

[sweet fjord]

I didn't start a second one. I woke up this morning and killed the snake one first. Then I just went to work. Just got in lol

[nova harness]

Snake one is pretty easy

[sweet fjord]

I cheesed the crap out of her. I stood at a corner and kept firing arrows

At a corner of a pillar. Her hits couldn't hit me but mine could hit her

The fight took a while though

[nova harness]

For the Owl he does a bubble thing what you do for him is smokescreen into it and shoot him with a bow if you pick him

[sweet fjord]

Toss a smoke screen right at him when he bubbles? Then fire at will?

[nova harness]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

He passes out because he's not really healthy

[sweet fjord]

I appreciate the help bud

What about the third gentleman after the snake and owl?

[zenith jacinth]

He's not a problem

[nova harness]

The Wolf will be a simple find the right one and assuming you have a strong stuff and with weapon you’ll destroy them almost instantly

[obtuse gyro]

after you kill the first two... you wont have the same limitations you have for the first two

[sweet fjord]

Wonderful!

[zenith jacinth]

And you just go and spoil it

[obtuse gyro]

he's just talking about the veilbreaker archon hunts

[north trail]

maybe but also he has warframe powers and warframes do collapse when we get out of them

[zenith jacinth]

Because they're made inert, he's still a fully conscious human being

[nova harness]

They kneel out of respect not collapse lol

[obtuse gyro]

yea but nothing came out of him and he still collapsed after a nice coughing fit

[nova harness]

Warframes don’t get tired

[obtuse gyro]

"uuuh he must be hayden tenno" yea hayden tenno doesnt have pneumonia

[zenith jacinth]

They do collapse in cutscenes when transference gets interrupted

If just transferenced out of they'll stand

[nova harness]

Yeah but typically they just kneel because we aren’t controlling them anymore

[zenith jacinth]

Not once has a warframe knelt after transferencing out or transference getting interrupted

[sweet fjord]

Doesn't mean it can't start happening now

Murder never happened until the first person actually killed. Doesn't mean it will never happen

[nova harness]

He passed out because he had human weakness of tiredness

Warframes don’t get tired

[zenith jacinth]

And a literal illness

He's coughing constantly

[nova harness]

Could it be the virus?

[obtuse gyro]

depends on the nature of the body on him

is he wearing a suit? is that his actual flesh? either way, signs point to overexertion/incompatability

[zenith jacinth]

Getting turned into a frame does seemingly have the effect of affecting breathing in some way, since umbra is breathing very loudly. But then there's also mirage prime laughing while getting infected.

[nova harness]

Wasn’t Umbra coughing when he got turned?

[zenith jacinth]

He was hyperventilating

[obtuse gyro]

the consideration is that post transformation I doubt frames become and stay asthmatic, so arthur's lungs, assuming that everything below the neck has changed, shouldnt be screwing him over no?

[nova harness]

He might not fully be a frame yet

[zenith jacinth]

It's possible, maybe even likely, that umbra was hyperventilating because of the pain of his insides being transformed and also from his lungs possibly getting destroyed somehow since, as we know, what's inside a warframe "doesn't make sense"

[obtuse gyro]

"where is your pancreas?"

[zenith jacinth]

Perhaps this applies to arthur too, and maybe that's why albrecht tells him that he's late

He's too late to maybe prevent getting killed by the transformation, if that's what's happening to him

[obtuse gyro]

"too slow bozo"

[nova harness]

I thought he was late in finding Entrati

[sweet fjord]

Lore wise. Is a prime variant an original pristine version and the regular is a mass production?

[obtuse gyro]

de nada

some frames started off as primes, other earned it

[nova harness]

Some frames earned Prime some were original

[zenith jacinth]

"Some had to earn it, others were primed from the start"
-Varzia

[nova harness]

I bet Excal Prime was one that was Prime first

[zenith jacinth]

Seems like it. But also "Excalibur was the first"

[sweet fjord]

I'm just happy I Don't have to play as that stupid corpus part of the new war

[nova harness]

That was also written before the lore change

[sweet fjord]

I'm done with it it's over

[zenith jacinth]

That was the most fun part for me

[obtuse gyro]

which brings an interesting thought, that line was on the excal prime, yet in the vitruvian we have base excal during its formative phase, so imo its up in the air for excal

[zenith jacinth]

There's nothing that retcons it. If anything, it's more likely now that it's confirmed that prime doesn't mean first

[sweet fjord]

Do you think we'd get another variation of a frame?

Or is this just a result because of Warframe China?

[zenith jacinth]

Unlikely

[obtuse gyro]

while true, even with the retcon (in that the context of the phrase is more stringent and closer to one of the preceeding sentences before it), the phrase itself doesnt tell you if excal or excal prime was the first one of the excal line

[obtuse gyro]

what umbra?

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra exists because excal prime is exclusive to founders

And umbra prime exists because china

[nova harness]

Umbra was made because DE wanted to Excal Umbra Prime was made because China wanted to

Doesn’t Wukong and Nezha exist because China too?

[obtuse gyro]

yea

[zenith jacinth]

Wat

[nova harness]

Wukong and Nezha released in China first because they made some sort of agreement I think

[sweet fjord]

Man. I remember people trying to trick me to say some nezha stuff in game chat

[nova harness]

Kickbot is a dangerous bot when Nezha is involved

[rancid tinsel]

So is the heart is Deimos is in Albrecht's lab area ?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[nova harness]

Not in but in same location

It’s on Deimos hence Heart of Deimos

[zenith jacinth]

It's on the same moon

[nova harness]

Can you actually visit the heart still?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[rancid tinsel]

I was picturing the heart being inserted into the kaiju thing from the demo 😆

[zenith jacinth]

The lab is under the necralisk, the heart was in an iso vault out in the drift

[zenith jacinth]

The vessel, not nearly as big as the average kaiju going by the size of the head

[rancid tinsel]

Do you think it's appopriately sized for the railjack finger?

[zenith jacinth]

Seemed larger than the finger, but iirc albrecht's logs mention that they can increase in size

[radiant totem]

Wait so do you think we could get another china exclusive frame? Like another mythos frame?

Because as cool as umbra and wukong and nezha is id love to see another one

[obtuse gyro]

unlikely no

[radiant totem]

That kinda sucks

[prime lantern]

Well probably get more mythos based frames

[radiant totem]

Well warframe lore mythos or like actual Mythology like the roman and greek and chinese pantheons

Because we are getting dagath which is somehow tied to naberus and deimos

[zenith jacinth]

I want typical rpg classes as frames

[radiant totem]

Like rogue, shaman, hunter, knight?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[radiant totem]

Well we have styanax and he’s a “knight” persay

[zenith jacinth]

He's a greek soldier

Very different from knights

[near rune]

That line is also on base Excalibur.

[radiant totem]

Well still the same idea an armed soldier of a royal entity but i get what your saying

[zenith jacinth]

I mostly just want a knight and a mage frame, especially now that the grimoire is a thing that will soon exist

[radiant totem]

Oooh yeah

[zenith jacinth]

I believe that book mages are the best kind of mage

[radiant totem]

Wait wouldn’t wisp also be classified as a mage? Because she can open a portal in the sun

Or is she more like a witch

[graceful zodiac]

We already have all the basic archetypes, and tens of "mage" frames

[zenith jacinth]

Wisp is weird, but not really the classic kind of mage or witch

[radiant totem]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

None that are really like rpg classes

[radiant totem]

Actually we do, we have a bandit or theif depending on your preference

And its kullervo because his use of daggers as abilities

[graceful zodiac]

We very much do. Ivara is Hunter and Rogue in 1, Ash is assassin, Excalibur your basic warrior

[radiant totem]

Assassin and thats ash and a jester or whatever could be loki?

Yeeeah

[woeful jacinth]

Trickster

[graceful zodiac]

Lavos covers alchemist, and the elemental frames from the gamut of mage types

Even the more non standard stuff is covered, like Hydroid for pirate and Baruuk for monk

[radiant totem]

Damn you do have a point

[zenith jacinth]

And yet not really anything that could cover knight, which is my favorite. There's rhino, but... he's a rhino.

[radiant totem]

Rhino would be more like a brute or a guard equivalent

What do you mean though like abilities? Or just in appearance

[zenith jacinth]

Both

[radiant totem]

Also vauban could be an engineer or scientist

[radiant totem]

Like western renaissance? Like a crusader?

[zenith jacinth]

I still want a classic fire emblem mage with all the different elements including light

[zenith jacinth]

Optimally yes, but as long as it's a european medieval knight I'd accept it

[radiant totem]

There is a knight of the lotus skin for excalibur and there is a frogmouth helmet for nekros

Also nekros is an necromancer

[near rune]

Isn't Blade of the Lotus just a TennoGen thing?

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[radiant totem]

Yeah but its still a western/European style knight skin

[scarlet basalt]

crazy to think that kermerros was literally foreshadowing loid

[zenith jacinth]

How?

[tropic ridge]

I wish DE let us change Lotus' name after the quest, or least didn't make the choice permanent

I mean we can pay Plat to buy her other body designs, why not the same with names / personalities

[supple dagger]

I think they mean this line

[supple dagger]

Well the point of them is for Lotus to finally figure out who she really is between Natah, Margullis, and Lotus. Being able to switch between them would kinda defeat the purpose of all that

[zenith jacinth]

So... what was assumed to be a cephalon carrying around kermerros before being glassed.

[tropic ridge]

And yet I'd still like the option

[scarlet basalt]

Kermerros foreshadowing while we thought that a cephalon could support a child that could weight 110 lbs 😭

[wild wind]

That's not quite right; Lotus is still all three, plus a few others, the point of the choice is her choosing one to be her first among equals and outside face, not her true self.

[scarlet basalt]

lotus true self is manmade horror if we think about it

[cunning copper]

I love those skins tbh

[cunning copper]

Rhino has a Blade of The Lotus skin too

[scarlet basalt]

ngl i always feel like we'll go to tau
To know what really happened bcz of how archon literally saying that they haven't heard at all what happened

[rain otter]

i mean hunhow also destoryed the solar rail

but i think Pazuul is trying to repair it.

[scarlet basalt]

yep, maybe erra/pazuul will lead to a weird sentence that will make us think what the hell hapened to tau
Btw... Will they ever release this monstrosity ???

[woeful jacinth]

I hope so

[scarlet basalt]

imagine this lad running at you and drop kick you
Like i would love to see it being one of the fastest sentient 😭

or doing an uppercut to you bcz he knew that if you can move it's already joever

[frail nymph]

Scrap meant a pre -glassing cephalon

[scarlet basalt]

mhh yeah could be tbf
But this version of loid is delicioso

[radiant belfry]

I wonder how long it'll take the community to decipher and translate the voidtongue, they cracked the orokin language pretty easily

[cunning copper]

Tbf, the playerbase has cracked every written language in the game so far

so the more examples they have to pull from, the sooner they'll crack that too

[radiant belfry]

That's the problem though, the only voidtongue we've seen in written format is the reqium poem

We have hardly anything to pull from and compile

[odd crane]

Loid is a construct Otak is a cephalon

Do we have lore how ehtrati made the constracts?

[rain otter]

no

[zenith jacinth]

Cephalons are glassed people. Kermerros could just be talking about the time before loid was glassed.

[zenith jacinth]

Still not quite the right abilities

[autumn turret]

I always imagined them in a mech