spoiler-chat

[rain otter]

I said changed how it worked calm down.

I think it's good weekly content but it can be better by changing it.

[frail nymph]

Dw The big-text-ness is for @tepid basin not you lol

Although to be honest, you did say "or by changing" rather than "and by changing"

Put a # (including space)at the start of the line. But don't do it with the very first line

[prime lantern]

I think bosses just need more mechanics

[frail nymph]

Indeed, but mechanics will only be possible if both you and the boss can survive the parts between mechanics. So ADR changes (steepening of the curve) come first

[prime lantern]

Or just health gate

[real niche]

Or just actually rebalance the game

[prime lantern]

Or that

[woeful jacinth]

We are well past that point

[frail nymph]

I don't mind health gate personally but people have been saying for years that it ruins every boss by making them feel the same... "inv phase after inv phase after inv phase"

[prime lantern]

That's fair

[real niche]

Never

[frail nymph]

We are well past a rebalance being profitable in the mid-term. Long term might be good but still risky

Okay now that we're not talking about Archons this is definitely noy #spoiler-chat territory

[rain otter]

Don't you know what I meant.

[prime lantern]

Like a mechanic for armar that isn't "pull out aoe weapons and blind fire"
(When armar does his cloning thing clones will start pouncing everyone on the team they do no damage and are mildly annoying however in the midst of it the real amar will pounce signified with like glowing eyes and you have to shoulder check the real amars pounce by clicking like x or some)

[frail nymph]

Not really... I wouldn't have used the big text if it was just the two of us but I'd have said the same thing

[rain otter]

I like Stages for Bosses. I think the new Jackle well its not that new anymore lmao and like The Oro Wyrms are the best bosses in the game.

[prime lantern]

Making bosses bullet sponges feels bad for difficulty

[tepid basin]

also im pretty sure the problem I have isnt their health, its the DR. When I soloed that particular archon, I did so by gaming her adaptive armour by doing slow bursts and I negated the healing by being invisible.

When I did solo her, she was very easy

[frail nymph]

Exactly, which is why we need a steeper Adaptive DR

[prime lantern]

Yea

[zenith jacinth]

[prime lantern]

But I also think we need mechanics

[rain otter]

Like who hates new (pretty old new) Jackle or The Oro Wyrms?

[prime lantern]

Like ones that require critical thinking

[rain otter]

Cuz those are great bosses.

[frail nymph]

Their health is inversely proportional to their DR. If you decrease the DR, their health will have to be greater, and you'll be taking 10 steps backwards in terms of balance.

[tepid basin]

Then why do they have DR if the health changes according to the DR?

[zenith jacinth]

Jackal. I hate the orowyrms because they only drop 10 of those pathos thingies every kill

[frail nymph]

Because it's not regular DR, it's Adaptive DR.

Do you want an example?

[prime lantern]

Like even if the mechanics only requirement is being to count to 7 that's a step in the right direction

[tepid basin]

No I dont want an example. I want you to make sense. You tell me that the health changes in accordance to the adaptative DR.

I know its not the case, and I really confuses me as why you would say that.

[zenith jacinth]

Can you read?

[tepid basin]

can you?

[frail nymph]

I am making sense. Health is decided in accordance to adaptive DR. That's how Archons are designed.

[tepid basin]

He literally said that the archon health is based on their current DR

There's literally no point to have such mechanic in any game

[frail nymph]

There is a point: The existence of an endgame boss battle

[tepid basin]

And I know its not how they work

[zenith jacinth]

"If you decrease the DR, their health will have to be greater"

[frail nymph]

An endgame boss battle doesn't exist if you can oneshot it.
So you have to increase their health.

[rain otter]

They drop 15 In SP and I think dropping 10-15 literally fine.

[woeful jacinth]

For some reason they gave archons both DR and adaptive DR

[tepid basin]

Well thats funny because people do one shot them by ignoring the adaptative armour

[zenith jacinth]

By doing enough damage that there's nothing to adapt to

[frail nymph]

Indeed, and that's why the health value is so high. The health value is directly based on that damage.

[tepid basin]

Yeah, but me, the chump, the idiot that I am, uses a machine gun. Good luck inflicting significant damage.

[frail nymph]

There's a reason a Kuva Hek cannot one shot without some type of warframe ability buff: The archon health is adjusted to be higher than

[tepid basin]

Especially in a group where everyone is shooting without stopping

[woeful jacinth]

The more damage you do, the less damage you do

[prime lantern]

I just use laetum roar in pubs

[frail nymph]

Well not really

[zenith jacinth]

Consider: playing solo

[tepid basin]

What am I supposed to do then, show up with an unmodded lato?

[frail nymph]

More damage is still more damage...

[frail nymph]

No, you're supposed to ask for better adaptive DR rather than the opposite

[tepid basin]

Yeah, its what im going to do.

[prime lantern]

Well since xatas is bugged again xatas laetum

[tepid basin]

I mean, this entire conversation was because I started complaining that this mechanic was anti group

[frail nymph]

The lack of that same mechanic is literally much more anti-group

When one person oneshots the boss, three people have nothing to do

And good luck convincing three randoms to not use Hek

[tepid basin]

Nah, im not going to listen to you, Ill just solo it like last time.

[frail nymph]

But why do you not want a solution that undeniably works?

Why do you not want weaker weapons to become viable?

[tepid basin]

because your solution involves asking for DE to change how the game work

[frail nymph]

So does yours

[tepid basin]

Dunno, my plan b is "solo it"

[frail nymph]

The whole point is that we ask for the right solution rather than the wrong solution

[frail nymph]

Well my solution works even better for Solo than group but okay

[tepid basin]

can you do it now?

[frail nymph]

Can you make adaptive DR go away now?

[tepid basin]

yeah

If I stop shooting at the archon it goes away

literally how I did it last time

[frail nymph]

That won't make solo any faster than a group unless you're intentionally refusing to play with anyone that has strong weapons...

[prime lantern]

I mean considering it's a sentient adaptive dr makes sense

[tepid basin]

it worked way faster than most group I went in

well, except when someone one shooted the boss

[frail nymph]

Huh... Archon Hunts must have become less popular now compared to before, then.

[tepid basin]

that aint "most groups" though

[frail nymph]

Every single public group I've ever done had someone take care of the Archon with ease, if it wasn't me. Except one time when I told others I'm doing DPS and I brought the wrong build

But that was a while ago cause I started soloing to test different weapons

[zenith jacinth]

Complaining and ignoring an easy solution to the problem is so much easier than just getting the problem fixed by said easy solution

[tepid basin]

what is your easy solution?

[zenith jacinth]

What android has been trying to explain the whole time

[frail nymph]

We've been talking about it the whole time. Not easy solution but rather the only viable solution

[rain otter]

I think they are still popular. Like it's Sorties 2 and Sorties are the most Popular content people play as Said by DE.

[tepid basin]

so your easy solution is asking DE to make the adaptive DR even more effective?

[frail nymph]

Yes, that's the one and only solution: People stop hating on the one thing that helps balance the game

[tepid basin]

well my method is working right now

[woeful jacinth]

More so asking to make it so all weapons can be useful is what they are saying

[frail nymph]

Your method that we were discussing, aka removing Adaptive Damage Reduction, doesn't exist and wouldn't help if it did.

Your second method that you just now brought up, aka removing the teammate-caused Reactive part of the Adaptive Damage Reduction by going solo, barely works to reduce the fight time to checks notes 40 mins.

[woeful jacinth]

ADR became a thing because people were nuking enemies with their voidrigs so it was a haphazard attempt to tone down our damage output

[tepid basin]

I am removing their armor right now, what are you talking about?

[zenith jacinth]

They should make pure status builds more viable

[frail nymph]

I am talking about the difference between Non-Reactive ADR and Reactive ADR

Both being Adaptive Damage Reduction, and therefore both differnet from regular Damage Reduction

[woeful jacinth]

The fact that I can't stack heat procs against enemies where it would be helpful is criminal

[frail nymph]

At least in some use cases if not possible in every single thing like bossess etc

[tepid basin]

well im talking about defeating the archon right now because I gotta do is to get my shard

[zenith jacinth]

The fact that the wolf is immune to procs makes him nearly impossible for me

[tepid basin]

and my method is to shoot then when their adr is as low as possible, which is about taking breaks between bursts

[frail nymph]

Well, learning the difference between those two types of ADR would certainly help

[frail nymph]

That's everyone's method
And what's funny is, that method works because reactive and non-reactive ADR are different things

[woeful jacinth]

Ooh so for wolf you can armor strip him with either abilities or shattering impact. Then mod for blast and electric since it deals bonus damage to him

[frail nymph]

Also Unairu works beautifully

ten again, wolf is not #spoiler-chat

Anyway, Tl;Dr for everyone that might be confused from the long slow conversation:

The Health of an Archon is high because it is supposed to be an endgame fight that isn't one-shot. Therefore max health>max modded Kuva Hek damage.

This is why you currently need some dps buffs to dunk on an Archon in one shot reliably.

If Adaptive DR improves and becomes stronger, powerful weapons like Kuva Hek won't do so much damage. So the Archon Health won't have to be so high.

As such, the weaker weapons you personally like will do much more damage in terms of %health than before. Since their low-dps-ADR only increases a bit but the health pool decreases greatly

[tepid basin]

how would a stronger ADR work against kuva hek? ADR kicks in after a shot

theres no mod to make shotguns silent?

[eager charm]

Silent battery

[tepid basin]

oh, I guess I just dont have it

[frail nymph]

The reactive part of the ADR kicks in after a shot.

If non-reactive part is steeper, the reactive part won't climb up to be as high as it is. Also the health pool will be set to a much lower value too so not as much of a problem

And even directly making the reactive part work against it is just another aspect of improving ADR, alongside increasing the steepness of the ADR curve

[tepid basin]

oh, you want them to have more armour instead of lots of health

so... what, instead of having, say, a million health, youd rather have them have 50% damage reduction and 500,000 health?

[real niche]

The adaptive part of the dr being less impactful would certainly help

[tepid basin]

I dont think it will do anything to prevent one shots

oh, you said less impactful

well yeah, its what I dont like right now

[scarlet basalt]

Would be funny if we ever go to the tau System, but this system will have sentients as ally
And we constantly fight wormholes made by perghasa's jump
That mess up the tau system a lot (so the sentient)

[frail nymph]

Obviously not, because that's just regular DR and completely useless

[frail nymph]

You mean the Reactive part?

[frail nymph]

Say this red line is what you're suggesting. Constant 50% Damage Reduction regardless of weapon DPS.

Orange is the current DR on the first shot.

Green is what it should be, so that the boss health is much less

THe dark blue vertical line is Kuva Hek, and cyan is the average SP viable weapon

Gray is the average midgame weapon

[tepid basin]

this would literally make it easier to one shot them

[frail nymph]

Nope

Not at all

[frail nymph]

Look at how much more DR is there in 1 compared to 2. It would be like 5x harder to one shot (the current archon) just based on this graph

And that's why Archon health would be changed to 5x less. From 1 million to 200,000

We need more than 5x, but this graph is just a doodle anyway

[tepid basin]

adaptative DR doesnt apply on the first shot, only one subscequent. If they have less health, it would be several time easier to one shot. Because on the first shot theres no reduction. So in your example, I dont need to do a million damage, only 200,000.

[frail nymph]

No

Non-Reactive Adaptive DR applies to all shots.

Reactive ADR builds up later

[tepid basin]

Your graph is literally about reactive DR

[frail nymph]

No

It's about Non-reactive Adaptive Damage Reduction

It's a graph of the first shot on Archon

[tepid basin]

What non-reactive DR?!

[frail nymph]

The same non-reactive DR that makes your Madurai 10x buff turn, in archon hunts, into <2x instead (on your first shot)

[frail nymph]

The same Adaptive DR that makes crit chance >>damage mods in terms of importance for Archon fights.

That non-reactive ADR is a low value, which only means that reactive ADR will be strong. So there is a need to strengthen non-reactive ADR as well as improve the Reactive DR mechanism to resist Kuva Hek oneshots better over time.

[tepid basin]

So am I to understand that archon both have a DR based on the damage we do to it, but also a DR based on the predicted output of a given weapon?

[frail nymph]

Yes.

The former is old, older than Liches. The reactive part is relatively new... Introduced with Sisters and later added to liches and archons

[tepid basin]

Thats a very strange concept.

So, if I put a mod that increases my weapon's speed, it does less damage.

[frail nymph]

No

You will never have less damage on your first shot even if you have a higher DPS

The math is designed that way

[tepid basin]

you said its non reactive though

[frail nymph]

Even in no reactive

[tepid basin]

but now it reacts to my shots?

[frail nymph]

lemme put it this way...

with no DR:
let's say 4 weapons do
10, 100, 1000, 10000
damage

With uniform DR:
1,10,100,1000

With non-R ADR
9, 80, 600, 4000

with R ADR in solo
8, 70, 400, 500

with R ADR with a teammate constantly maxing out the R ADR for no reason
0.5, 5, 50, 500

(Numbers are rough but you get the point)

[tepid basin]

no I do not

[frail nymph]

Reactive means it is calculated after you deal the damage.
Non reactive is based on the dps on your modding screen(/other similar calculations)

[tepid basin]

Therefore, my firing speed mod should reduce the damage I do per shots.

[frail nymph]

no

[tepid basin]

I give up

I need hard numbers. The actual formula

[frail nymph]

Is 4000 less than 600?

[frail nymph]

Okay, stop thinking in terms of DR, think in terms of effective DPS

[tepid basin]

Doesnt attack speed influence damage per second?

[frail nymph]

Yes but the direct damage increase from the attack speed will overpower the increase in damage reduction

[tepid basin]

But it will affect the damage per shots

right?

[frail nymph]

Oh you mean the damage numbers you see in the mission? yes

My bad sorry I misunderstood

Below:
Red is eff. dps without ADR. X axis is DPS

the white-ish one is with eff. dps non-R ADR

[tepid basin]

SO!

You want more non reactive DR.
How does that relate to the fact that I hate reactive DR?

[frail nymph]

Well you only recently made it clear that you didn't know non-reactive ADR was present 🤷‍♂️

[tepid basin]

what did you think I meant when I said "I did so by gaming her adaptive armour by doing slow bursts"

[frail nymph]

By then, I was making clear the difference between reactive and non reactive (in terms of my suggestions)

[tepid basin]

whatever, I dont care anymore

[tall shoal]

AHHH @rain otter I GOT MY PANZER VULP FINALLY AND MY HELMINTH IS DONE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES (sorry for ping but I'm so happy 😭)

[rain otter]

no it's good. @tall shoal

you can ping me it's fine. also still get to rank 5 in deimso

[tall shoal]

Okayyyyyy

Oh yeah I also need to get associate 😭

I can do that tonight

[rain otter]

if you have any questions you can DM me or @ me.

[tall shoal]

Okay, is it alright for me to dm you photos of them once my helminth finishes

[rain otter]

YEAH.

sorry caps

[tall shoal]

Nws lol

[rain otter]

the reason that happens to my words sometimes is cuz i changed check mission statues to Cap lock so i could put the RJ tact menu on tab.

[tall shoal]

Ohhhhhh okay, my helminth is almost done

And it's done hdisiduabe 😭

[rain otter]

otherwise the RJ tact menu is on L on PC

and i'm a RJ fiend

[tall shoal]

I gotta reload my game- also I wanna do railjack missions too but idk 😭 I haven't done a single one since I built railjack it's just there for new war

[rain otter]

i mean i can give you abvice on that and carry you in a RJ mission to get the parts later lmao

just not tonight.

[tall shoal]

Okay, that'd be nice ^^

My helminth got weird colors but it's okay because they're the colors of his name (sushimi)

[chrome dust]

New prime teaser

[scarlet basalt]

i was thinking of something weird.
I think rebecca said that maybe orowyrm could have some kind of gameplay outside of duviri ? Like, maybe orowyrm will not be only for duviri but maybe as a railjack boss ? It would make sense if they mess up your travel and try to beat you up

[nova harness]

It’s been in Railjack for a while now

[scarlet basalt]

For 1 year i think ?
It could be something if they do another design, smilar to incarnon, like adding some void thingies around the orowyrm and make it a boss in railjack fight ? Like it stop your TP system and make itself an objectives 🤔

[chrome dust]

Better yet baby orowirm pet

[north trail]

railjack assasinate?

[velvet wing]

Orowyrm skin for wyrm plz

[woeful jacinth]

That's just wyrm prime

[autumn turret]

i need wyrm prime

[velvet wing]

We could make it wyrmier

[zenith jacinth]

Wyrm primer

[solemn prism]

When is tennocon 2023?

And why is nobody on this channel

[rain otter]

August 26.

[solemn prism]

Aight thx

[lilac sorrel]

nothing to talk about 🔥

[rain otter]

We talk more in lore.

[manic lichen]

ayo, anyone notice that lady in duviri that talked about the man in the wall and rap tap tap, is gone

[zenith jacinth]

Did you go there during the fear spiral? I think that's the fear avatar, which isn't present during her spiral

[manic lichen]

Oh

that might make sense then

[rain otter]

What Scrap said but yo add to that a Mysterious Vistor is in duviri now and the TV screens show Zariman messages.

[near rune]

That's actually interesting because Sythel, since Duviri launch, is the only character who doesn't disappear during her Spiral (meaning she's always there). I wonder if they've patched that.

[manic lichen]

Prob

Wish they made the dormizone a 2nd orbiter log in location to just stay at

maybe even just have the orbiter be accessible by foot in the dormizone, like where there's a open area outside the door

[rain otter]

yeah i also think the normal orbitor should have like a com console to talk to Kahl.

[manic lichen]

Agree

[rain otter]

I like the drifter camp the most but being able to use any of them withouth having to switch would be cool.

[manic lichen]

yea, don't like the dormizone is like my person favorite but all it is, is a decoration playground like

I wanna be able to spawn there and what not

actually have it as the home it is intended for it to be

[manic snow]

Agreed I would really love to spawn in the dormizone. Sadly it will never happen.

[manic lichen]

It might. de likely hasn't said anything for it

same with whatever they're announcing at tennocon, so far we know nothing's been said

[wild wind]

It was mentioned in patch notes that they fixed that

[manic snow]

The only problem is that you can't dock your orbiter into the dormizone. Which I think would probably be a requirement as you still need helminth, transference room, and living quarters.

[manic lichen]

that's why I said they could put the orbiter in that big open area past the plants. Like remove the table that is laying down and make it like a small pad way to the orbiter

[manic snow]

Well I mean physically. I don't think there's an empty area in what I presume is near the belly of the zarimen for our orbiter.

[manic lichen]

Dormizone rn is just useless cause we have no reason to go there besides an awesome home like place to decorate.

[manic snow]

Well that's not true there's the one guy with the duviri orb trades or whatever 🤓

[manic lichen]

tbh I think de could figure it out. I don't think they designed a zarimen dorm room that has no purpose then just a decoration playground

[manic snow]

It's standard to have "decorate yur house time-dumps" in MMO's.

DE could totally just slap "void devil magic" on it though. Especially when there's already a door that leads to a fake fantasy world that may also be a prison cell for a powerful god.

[manic lichen]

Fair

[gloomy cove]

28 Argon?! Me and three other players did the Ten-Zero third mission (Recall:Ten-Zero - Rigorous (Europa) - Corpus - Defence) an hour ago. All I can use Argon for is a PowerCore lol.

[runic spruce]

Tones

[opaque star]

Doing the New War again on Xbox and popped out of a gravity tunnel too fast which landed me too far forward making it impossible to hit the left sentient with the beam due to her being in the way

And yes, I tried /unstuck. All it did was flip me 180 degrees

At least it's a short level so I'm already back there

The Sun set piece is my fav part of the whole quest. Mechanically simple but dodging solar flares is just so epic

[rain otter]

Funny thing for me my RJ build is so um high even i didnt ever need to avoid the flares.

the breach is also forced so shRug.

[supple dagger]

Pls tell me yk the easiest way to farm for intrinsics

[rain otter]

If you have like a Good TM RJ You can Run R-9 Cloud over and over. Oh don't get gunnery rank 10 though.

@supple dagger I can give you a build later if you want.

[supple dagger]

My build is fine and I’ve also been doing that exact method. All my ranks are at rank 9 and the fact that I need like 526 to lvl up each of them is a bit tedious…

And yea Ik about not lvling up gunnery

[rain otter]

Oh WELP do good void storms for all the Endo and gain it passively then.

By getting a lot of Endo I mean like scrapping all your Parts you don't need and from the Void storm rolls.

The best rank 10 is probably the crew one to start.

[supple dagger]

Also for some reason my fps always drops so much whenever I do RJ. It never does that in any other missions so idk

[zenith jacinth]

Why not gunnery R10?

[rain otter]

Cuz its just annoying and your guns heat up faster.

I would rather rank 10 gunnery be anything else. Make it where I can craft Dome Charges while in a turret seat.

[livid portal]

Are you supposed to see rell as the drifter?

[real niche]

No.

[nova harness]

I’ve done CoH as Drifter but I think that was a bug

[zenith jacinth]

You mean the man in the wall?

[nova harness]

Do we even see Rell in the quest?

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think so

[livid portal]

Yeah

[nova harness]

Drifter is just a taller and cooler looking alternative version of Operator so yes

They just haven’t coded him for both

[livid portal]

Are you even supposed to see him as drifter? i thought it was only operator

[nova harness]

Drifter is a Tenno

Wally doesn’t care if Tenno big or Tenno small

[real niche]

Entirely different people.

Rell is Rell, Drifter is alternative reality Operator

[nova harness]

And Wally is well we don’t really know

[supple dagger]

Yet

[zenith jacinth]

Void demon

Shapeshifter

Bill cipher 2.0

[prime lantern]

Bill cipher 2.0 is accurate

If Androids theory is to go by then he is also 2 dimensional

Though not really in the dimensions we think of

[sage briar]

I'm a new player

I got the Revenge mod

[nova harness]

Best not be in the spoiler channels

[sage briar]

Business chat is not working for me

[sage briar]

Haha I'm here when the xbox server crashes

[hollow totem]

me question who is kahl, if grineers are all clone then who is kahl takes place to hmmm

[nova harness]

Kahl is a clone

They all are

[hollow totem]

a clone of what

[nova harness]

A human

[hollow totem]

who is this huuman

[wild copper]

grineer were a class of builders back in the orokin age, when the orokin fell, they started cloning themselves and degrading from there

[sage briar]

Odin7493

add me xbox buddies

[wild copper]

#757632548842111086

[sage briar]

Do you copy yourself how so

[hollow totem]

what if kahl gene is from vor or ruk gene

as a plot twist

[wild copper]

this is a channel for spoilers and lore discussion, as a new player, you're not gonna understand anything here
try #players-helping-players
and use #757632548842111086 if you want friends on xbox

[hollow totem]

or since clem gene has a mutation for disobeying orders kahl can be also be in the same batch / tank as clem

[woeful jacinth]

The bad batch

[nova harness]

Kahl obeyed orders but the veil somehow destroyed his control chip thing

[graceful zodiac]

No, Kahl always had the disloyalty defect. He just followed orders until given a strong enough reason no to

[zenith jacinth]

A meridian crew text bit seems to indicate that there's no way to know if a clone has a defect loyalty gene until they decide to act out of line.
"Showed no initial sign of resisting Queens command"

[rain otter]

I mean in the New War He never really disobeyed orders just in the end he wanted to save his brothers. In Veil Breaker he like really wants to free everyone that he can. Like I guess he works with the Tenno and stuff but he hasn't done anything that bad.

[supple dagger]

Kahl realized that they shouldn’t envy the bond between the sisters. Instead, they should all have a bond between themselves

[lean quarry]

I'm cool

[severe grail]

Do we know anything about the dogdays Event? When IT will come Out and so on

[zenith jacinth]

Early summer

[young trellis]

Anyone know what this hairstyle is called irl?

[ocean void]

Can I see the other sides cause idk if it’s got lines or not

[nova harness]

What outfit is that?

[ocean void]

Looks like it got lines

[ocean void]

Give me a min in google

undercut low fade haircut men

[young trellis]

Ty

[ocean void]

Could be this but it looks similar but not exact

[nova harness]

What outfit is that?

[obtuse gyro]

vor and ruk are also clones

[supple dagger]

Commodore Prime

[young trellis]

I think it's a prime outfit not sure

[rain otter]

Commodore prime is correct.

[neat osprey]

my dream is that there will be special drifter suits that is just a warframe skin

[rain otter]

there is the Drifter monk skin that looks a lot like Baruuk right now.

[deft rampart]

i mean, "Clearvoy Prime Suit" is pretty much just wisp prime adjacent
Keeler Suit looks like something in the direction of Nidus....

Harrier Collection is very much "Power Rangers / Tokusatsu

[rain otter]

Feldune isn't too far from Baruuk.

[deft rampart]

that looks quite a bit like "a warframe"

this also looks like "a warframe"

and literally both of them are free in the current nightwave

[cinder steppe]

I can remember a trailer where Dominus said "Why does he want to go out so badly? What is out there? Maybe I should go there myself."

Which makes me wonder why this didn't happen in the actual game. Did they scrap this not long before release?

[river willow]

it probably didn't fit with the story of the quest

though it would've been cool to have something like that. especially because of the thrax centurions and stuff hanging out around Lua and the Zariman with no explanation whatsoever

[cinder steppe]

Oh yes this trailer.

"How dare they keep trying to leave! What's out there that's so fascinating?! Maybe I should just go there myself."

https://youtu.be/wxbNAraWhiU

[cinder steppe]

Yes I think it makes sense that he wants to spread his influence to the overworld as well. Maybe it's part of future content.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, yonta does ask you to ask them where they came from, so its not that theres no explanation, its just that theres no one in universe that can tell us why

[cinder steppe]

They are called "Thrax Grineer. So my theory is that they were very early Grineer that died in the Void and that Dominus started to control them.

[obtuse gyro]

they are, infact, not called thrax grineer

they are referred to as Thrax Legatus or Thrax Centurion

they bear a resemblance to the grineer, but are highly likely to be void manifestations, given that only void-touched beings can see them

they are, of course, using void corrupted versions of a weapon used by the ancient orokin era grineer, but are likely to be void manifestations of them and not them corrupted by the void

[cinder steppe]

However the first mention of them (timeline wise) was in the Garuda lore. They were unleashed from the void when Executioner Tuvul was trying to make a desperate attempt to perform continuity. And he had no idea what they were either. It they were void corrupted versions of the original Grineer, you'd think that he would recognize them

[obtuse gyro]

that is not garuda

[cinder steppe]

Oh yeah sorry I meant the Wolf frame

Forgot her name sorry

[obtuse gyro]

voruna, but also those things that Tuvul "unleashed" were not the Thrax enemies

[cinder steppe]

They are referred to as "Thrax Grineer" by DE during the devstreams

[obtuse gyro]

1. you will have to source that
2. they are not tied to the grineer as a faction
3. as already stated, they bear resemblence to the grineer

4. they are not refered to as Thrax Grineer in the game

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, this is not the first mention of them specifically timeline wise

because
As Tuvul intoned the barbarous versicles of Continuity, a horde the breadth of which had never before been seen at such a ceremony massed in the gathering Void. Things with two heads or none, lopsided, broken-horned, perhaps drawing their being from Tuvul himself, as if expressions of his vice.
Does not sound at all like the thrax enemies, but does sound like what they are at their core, void manifestations

[cinder steppe]

Aha yes you are right

I think it was a lore video I seen on YouTube a while ago that said that they were Thrax enemies. I thought it was unlikely myself as well but just ran with it anyway.

But that indeed sounds like something we haven't seen yet

[cinder steppe]

Idk it's a vague memory from somewhere before the Angels Of The Zariman update. Ever since then I have referred to them as "Thrax Grineer" myself. But yeah you're right it is nowhere stated that they actually are Grineer despite resembling them.

They do have quite similar armor to the Grineer in the Opening cinematic

[near rune]

My theory is that the Thrax Centurions/Legati were created by Dominus Thrax in Duviri (this is implied in dialogue) and the Thrax enemies showing up other places is just due to Void entanglement.

[nova harness]

I thought they showed up in the Zariman due to breaking through the Wall of sorts

[near rune]

Yeah that's what I mean. The Zariman is halfway in the Void, and close to Duviri specifically. The Thrax enemies are more Void-ish than even other natives of Duviri, so if parts of Duviri were to bleed across the Void, I would expect it to be the Thrax enemies.

[obtuse gyro]

I agree, but what I think is that the reason why they look the way they are instead of grineer grineer is because dominus is drawing it out from drifter, meaning thats like two layers of child-like imagination/memory so the thrax units end up that distorted

[nova harness]

Who were the actual passengers on the Zariman that we know of?

[near rune]

Yeah I agree. I forgot to mention it but they're clearly based on ancestral Grineer, who we know were on board the Zariman.

[near rune]

I've got a passenger manifest of named characters on the Orokin Archives, along with other people we know such as Archimedians, Grineer, Lorists, etc

[nova harness]

Wasn’t tuvul the Zariman Captain but not onboard at the time?

[rain otter]

Never said it he was the Captain he was seemingly the one like telling the Zariman what to do but never said he was the Captain or even on the ship.

[near rune]

Tuvul was the patron of the ship and the main Orokin communicating with them, it seems, but he wasn't on the ship.

[turbid rose]

this would be actually funny

[nova harness]

Duviri trailers made Thrax look so much cooler

[zenith jacinth]

Never listen to wf loretubers, they don't know what they're talking about

[storm brook]

So I finally reached oldmate with solaris U

I hate it

The head thing, I just hate it

[zenith jacinth]

Complain to the corpus about it, it's their fault

While I like the corpus aesthetic, I will try my best to kill every corpus I can as revenge for what they did to the solaris

Except the perrin dudes of course

[fleet kelp]

Hello guys!
I wander what helper third-party tools do you use?
And what third-party service would you like to have to improve your gaming experience?
I can develop something.

[woeful jacinth]

The krang

[storm brook]

I don't know how but you made it worse 😂😭

[glad fox]

Rat tap tap🗣️🔥🔥

[grave quiver]

that dosent look qite right.....

worm mode

[ocean void]

Normal outfit bug

[sonic sandal]

Outfit build guide???

[smoky schooner]

The Void is a pathway to abilities some consider to be...unnatural.

[wild wind]

Can I learn these powers?

[obtuse gyro]

Not from an Orokin

[wild wind]

[fading turret]

I just want to kill Corpus because they’re capitalists.

What they did to Solaris is par for the course when it comes to greed and money-grubbing.

Kill and destroy everything they want so they can get another zero in their bank account

[zenith jacinth]

(Into the positive)

[livid portal]

Next update we better make the corpus go bankrupt

[steep delta]

Indeed

[livid portal]

I seen something about the kalymos sequence

What is it?

[zenith jacinth]

Kalymos was the name of albrecht's kavat

[livid portal]

So is it a quest or something?

[zenith jacinth]

Probably

Albrecht was the main guy behind void travel and he originally entered it through a "door", which seems to be important soon and DE said the next part of the story will be heavily void-related

[chrome coral]

Me with 25 million credits, looking to make it 250 million

[nova harness]

You work on that when you own everything

[zenith jacinth]

What's the point of credits when you have everything

[nova harness]

Trade tax to get plat

Own everything you can make loads by getting it to people who don’t

[chrome coral]

Trade tax is deffo the last great credit sink

[rich lichen]

Question about Alad V. ||You think it's ever going to be properly revealed that he's an Orokin?||

I feel like it's the worst kept secret in the game, but nobody seems to notice.

[tepid basin]

I thought all corpus were

[rich lichen]

Naah.

In fact, isn't it part of lore that Parvos Granum stood up against the Corpus?

[chrome coral]

Parvos stood up against Orokin

He founded the Corpus

[rich lichen]

Alad V most definitely had access to Kuva at some point, though.

And knowledge of Continuity.

[chrome coral]

Alad V likely read about it somewhere, but he's all second hand knowledge, I'm sure.

[rich lichen]

Sincere doubt. He's the only "non-orokin-era" character in the game that calls warframes/tenno "betrayers".

And the quotes are only there because of the cover story for him.

He did not have full knowledge of the Warframe tech, so he couldn't have been too high ranking

[zenith jacinth]

He is not

Alad is just another corpus with too high of an opinion of himself

And the only one who called him an orokin is hunhow, who sees everyone as orokin

[zenith jacinth]

An orokin that doesn't know what warframes are made of is not possible. They were all ranked above archimedeans, most of which knew, and some even helped make them

[rich lichen]

Quote Mania, "I see you are still their servants." This line is used as you are actually protecting Alad V from the Acolytes.

Give me one second to check that last bit, because to my knowledge, the true nature of the warframes was actually secret.

As was their tenno controllers.

[zenith jacinth]

Not to the people who made or designed them

[zenith jacinth]

Acolytes of the stalker, who gets most of his information from hunhow

[rich lichen]

"In-depth information of the Warframe mandate is forbidden to all but the Seven." Let me look in to this statement from the "Warframe Technology Fragment" referenced in the wiki

[zenith jacinth]

Silver grove quest

Archimedean made (or at least helped make) titania, and even tried to transference into her

[chrome coral]

You have a point, but I think this is more him being ironic by using that term. Technically, all humans in this can be loosely considered Orokin, because they are all tracable to the Orokin society. Even the grineer are all clones of a clone who was an Orokin slave.

I think the significant way to use Orokin is to consider how it was put by Ordin Karis - the Orokin were the ultimate nobility above all.

Parvos Granum is Orokin Era, and Corpus founder, but not even he is Orokin - he hated the Orokin. Alad V is a modern day board member who did a lot of things that earned him some special information, he's even further removed from Orokin, and there's nothing indicating he's thousands of years old, too.

Zanuka may be considered Corpus Transference, but it, like most of Alad V's work, seems to be replicas

[wild wind]

Silvana wasn't aware that there was anyone else inside Titania, else she wouldn't have tried it.

[rich lichen]

Archimedean was a rank, not an individual.

[zenith jacinth]

There wasn't anyone yet

[rich lichen]

somewhere between a rank or a position/office.

[chrome coral]

Incorrect on that

[wild wind]

No, there was. Warframes didn't exist without Tenno.

[rich lichen]

at any rate, there were multiple, I.E. Archimedian Yonta

[zenith jacinth]

I shortened the sentence by removing an "an" I considered unnecessary

[chrome coral]

Also incorrect on that

[wild wind]

They were technocyte warriors before that

[rich lichen]

Incorrect. They existed, they just always went haywire.

[wild wind]

The Warframe program is explicitly technocyte warrior + Tenno operator

[chrome coral]

Yep, Rhino Prime lore, plus Umbra Excal quest show all that

[chrome coral]

Definitely not true

Ballas made warframes before TenZero incident

[zenith jacinth]

No

[wild wind]

No he didn't

[chrome coral]

They were considered failures

[zenith jacinth]

Warframes are decidedly old war inventions, which was (most likely long) after the failed jump

[wild wind]

The technocyte warriors were created to fight the Sentients, who didn't exist until after the Zariman jump failed

And the Tenno were recovered

[chrome coral]

Oh, yes. That's right. TenZero, then the sentients returned after.

[prime lantern]

The tenno came out of the void during the war no

[wild wind]

The order is Zariman, Tenno recovery, (time passes), Sentients created and sent, Sentients return

The Sentients were a solution to the problem of Tau's terraforming not happening after the Zariman failed

[chrome coral]

Lua was where they imprisoned the Tenno and also threw the failed warframes, and some wildcard lets Rhino rampage towards where the Tenno were in soma transference

[rich lichen]

The Warframe project was considered a failure until after the Tenno were extracted from the Zariman.

[wild wind]

Incorrect, the technocyte warrior program failed until the technocyte warriors were moved to where the Tenno were stored

[rich lichen]

After which they were used to tame the Warframes and control them

[wild wind]

The Tenno had already been asleep for decades to hundreds of years

[zenith jacinth]

The orokin should've put their foolish ambitions to rest after the failed jump instead of breaking one of their most important "rules"

[chrome coral]

I mean, you can hear Ballas monologue about this in the Sacrifice quest

[zenith jacinth]

1. The tenno most likely weren't on lua yet
2. It's possible that the person that lead the prototype to the tenno did it intentionally
3. The tenno were probably in some sort of cold storage or something, without (intentional) transference

[graceful zodiac]

It was still called the Warframe program. It just wasn't successful until later

[rain otter]

This isnt true.

[cinder steppe]

I think it's obvious that the next Tennocon reveal would have anything to do with Wally

I mean we heard his very recognizable voice at the end of the trailer

[nova harness]

And DE literally told us he’s next

[cinder steppe]

Yeah idk why people are still theorizing about it being something else. We know that the next reveal would be related to him already. I think that energy could much better be spend into what kind of MITW content we might get instead

[rain otter]

I mean I do think the main like big story quests we will get are about Wally and the Void.

We are on the Void arch of the warframe Story.

[supple dagger]

Can’t wait to fight a creepy looking wall

[autumn turret]

no

[leaden prism]

They did. Rhino Prime fighter fragment tells the story of a Rhino Warframe on a vessel where Tenno were being kept. It goes on a rampage, murdering and slaughtering everyone until 2 scientists led it into a room with Tenno. The Tenno soothed the Rhino and prevented it attacking further.

[wild wind]

M8 look at the timestamp

[leaden prism]

If I cared, I wouldn’t have said anything.

Istg these switch players

[wild wind]

Reported.

[leaden prism]

Shiver me Timbers.

[thick jolt]

Funny thing is aside from being in the rhino prime codex entry there is no mention at all of the creature in the entry being a rhino frame, also the entry mentions it having a mouth which most current frames dont have (i say most in case someone tries to point at grendel).

So at best a proto frame that we can assume doesnt look like rhino was calmed by the tenno kept in pods yes.

[near rune]

The description sounds like it casts Iron Skin and Rhino Charge: "Its skin changes, flowing like mercury"; "The beast surges forward and the security men become crimson mist and gore." It even roars, shattering the lights (Roar). Although it has a mouth and eyes, I think it's fair to say it's a proto-Rhino.

[thick jolt]

I can see that, but still i feel the word "proto" is very much needed here which was missing from the comment i replied to.

[near rune]

Ah yes. Proto is very important.

Original comment is also slightly wrong in that the Tenno and Warframe labs were on Lua, not a vessel. Ballas says in The Second Dream that the Tenno were "rejects we consigned to Lua".

[forest nova]

ok spoiler section tell me

when Baro?

[rain otter]

@forest nova 4 days.

Friday is when he is here.

[autumn turret]

and then tennocon baro comin with tennocon for ticket holders

[scarlet basalt]

dayum is this a sneak peak ? Or a cool captura ?

[livid portal]

Sneak peak

[nova harness]

Looks like a woman dragging another person by their finger if you zoom in

[scarlet basalt]

Would be cool if its another tenno

[nova harness]

My 2 theories are it’s either Wally or Mara

[supple dagger]

If only that image was a bit brighter so that their hands were actually seeable smh

[nova harness]

Think the words on the left are new requiems?

[rain otter]

it's not any current captura.

not even the heart.

[near rune]

The Entrati stuff on Deimos has a bunch of Requiem symbols that we don't know. The ones visible in the picture aren't new, but they don't have known meanings.

[rain otter]

oh they are standing on something that has like a

all the Requirums on it.

[near rune]

oh yeah I can see what look like Requiem glyphs on the ground, you're right

[supple dagger]

They kinda look like Vome and Ris

[woeful jacinth]

To me it looks like a map

All the symbols and what not in the picture look like one to me

[nova harness]

Something I find weird is why do places have Wally pictures is he a known entity by everyone or something?

[near rune]

Other than the Zariman we don't see images of Wally.

[rain otter]

it's probably just a circle on the ground though for like um SCENERY

[supple dagger]

Or it’s actually a pentagram and Wally ritual summons Leonardo da Vinci

[nova harness]

Leonardo da Albrecht

[rain otter]

Actually I'm gonna put something in lore chat one set.

[scarlet basalt]

Was ?

[rain otter]

Sentients?

[scarlet basalt]

either sentients or void thingies maybe 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

Sentients aren't really aliens

[scarlet basalt]

tho i wonder what happened to the production to say : Yeah those sentients robots, they're human

[zenith jacinth]

They're robots. Not even alien robots, they were made by humans

[nova harness]

Wally seems pretty Alien

[supple dagger]

He was made(not fully confirmed yet) by a human tho

[zenith jacinth]

And "was" doesn't necessarily mean change

[scarlet basalt]

tbh they mentioned "race popular" which doesn't really work with eldritch god/being lol

[zenith jacinth]

It does

[nova harness]

Wallys race is Void

[scarlet basalt]

mhh yeah, with the popularity of lovecraft's book, a lot of story tends to have something to do with it. Even tho it feels like it's pretty recent ngl 🤔

i do hope that they will develop more about sentient lord or whatever pazuul said
Could be fun to see hidden family tree 😭

[zenith jacinth]

The lords of tau

[tepid basin]

I wouldnt be surprised if "wally" is the collective evil of humanity or something. Persona style

The idea of evil, given form because thats what the Void does

[supple dagger]

Ohhh

[rain otter]

We talked about this in Lore Chat but also.

I'll take this.

[livid portal]

We have to wait so long to watch it

[scenic bane]

Ye I gotta wait like 10hrs

For a 5second clip 💀

[livid portal]

Probably like 30 seconds or 1 minute

[potent wing]

||no idea||

[scarlet basalt]

zamn in 6 hours

[livid portal]

I want it now lol

[livid portal]

https://youtu.be/4raGXDi4bZs

[chrome coral]

CHILLS

[unkempt seal]

😩 the hypeeeeeee

[potent wing]

Hey kiddo

[forest nova]

if warframe was gramophone it would scratch my brain discs

[north trail]

take your bets, will this explain the requiem poem or not

[manic lichen]

Did anyone else notice this???

[wild wind]

Everyone did, actually.

It comes up every two days or so.

[zenith jacinth]

Fitting pfp

[rugged marsh]

Notice what?

[zenith jacinth]

Same gun

Hey, fun fact: that's an "ancient" concept that is just finally getting used

[rugged marsh]

Cool.

[hollow totem]

the trailer made me think now
there is a chance evil for warframe / operator
tho we already have acolytes
but maybe we probably have a chances for pvp ? hunting other players hmmm

[prime lantern]

Why did it make you think that

[wild wind]

Conclave already exists

[thick jolt]

i would be sad if they wasted time with pvp at this point

[wild wind]

not that anyone plays it

[prime lantern]

Also invasion pvp wouldn't be fun in wf tbh

[nova harness]

Can people not just let Conclave rest?

[prime lantern]

Yea

[hollow totem]

i still want conclave rewards sadly

[prime lantern]

Warframe is far from a pvp game

[hollow totem]

me just thinking about pvp 2.0 on that trailer

[supple dagger]

We should just have Necramech pvp instead smh

[nova harness]

Drifter Pvp

[prime lantern]

I don't think there's a way to make conclave enjoyable without like drastically changing everything in pvp

[supple dagger]

Or that

[prime lantern]

Drifter pvp could be neat

[supple dagger]

Basically Warframes version of Elden Ring pvp lol

[manic lichen]

Uhu

[manic lichen]

Bro where did you get that. It honestly hurts when people don't know the lore

[hollow totem]

trailer

[manic lichen]

Not like it's a given to know the lore. The assumptions tho are so wrong

[manic lichen]

That's the man in the wall. Not a evil tenno

✨Lore✨

[wild wind]

They're combining it with another piece of lore, the Albrecht logs in the Necralisk

[manic lichen]

^ yes

They're connected deeply.

We should finally get information about Albretch. Maybe even meet the guy.

[wild wind]

Where Albrecht says that he isn't sure if he's the actual Albrecht, or his version of Wally wearing his body

[zenith jacinth]

What's wrong about it? The acolytes are tenno that decided to switch sides

[wild wind]

So the suspicion is, maybe some Tenno got replaced (including us)

Now I don't think that's what this is building up to, but I see the logic

[manic lichen]

not true..... so far ik we have no information about the acolytes. They're just a version of the stalker and we don't even know who the stalker is. I assume they're the same as Excalibur umbra, where they aren't nessesarly tenno, but old orokin people or Dax soilders

[wild wind]

No, they're Tenno who signed up with Stalker

[zenith jacinth]

The acolytes are seperate people from the stalker, and we do have more info about them, it's just from a limited time thing that doesn't exist anymore

[wild wind]

Explicitly

[manic lichen]

Is there info about this anywhere? I'm a lore crack head and wanna know any lore, I havnt heard anything bout this

[wild wind]

The wiki has the event description

[zenith jacinth]

"It honestly hurts when people don't know the lore"

[manic lichen]

I was saying that cause Entrati and Wally lore has been every where. Stalker lore, if it was limited time info or whatever what you want me to do T-T

[wild wind]

Basically they're Tenno who decided that Stalker is right, and are hunting down Alad V after the Second Dream quest

[zenith jacinth]

Was it operation shadow debt?

[wild wind]

Yeah, that one

[manic lichen]

Didn't DE say that we'll get new stuff for stalker eventually?

[wild wind]

They said "maybe"

[zenith jacinth]

They also said garuda would get lore

[manic lichen]

Maybe. Ree.

[wild wind]

Honestly most of the old operations should be re-integrated as quests

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[wild wind]

Just re-use the voicelines

[manic lichen]

Yknow. I wonder if we weren't the only one in the zarimen ship to shake Wally's hand.

Sike.

[wild wind]

As far as we're aware we were

Which probably has something to do with your Drifter ending up as the final Zariman survivor when they don't take the deal

[manic lichen]

I honestly think it could be everyone that did. Heck Rell had powers in the comic.

[wild wind]

Yeah, Rell had powers because we made the deal which empowered everyone

[zenith jacinth]

"I can save them. All of them."

Didn't even save us, what a liar.

[manic lichen]

"But I never said I would save you"

[nova harness]

Time's up, kiddo. I can save them, all of them. But you have to want it... let's say we shake on it

[manic lichen]

Yea fair point.

[manic lichen]

you read the tablets in duviri?

Wally specifically tells us, that he never said he would save us

[zenith jacinth]

Which ones

[nova harness]

I believe that was referring to Drifter because he never said he would save Drifter

And it’s in Duviri

[manic lichen]

so far we know drifter didn't agree to the deal

He's the version that didn't accept the deal. Thus why he was stuck in the ship

[nova harness]

Or he never got one

[manic lichen]

or that yea

[zenith jacinth]

"Ha, idiot. Enjoy your own island-world. Wait..."

[nova harness]

I remember someone asking how Wally could get into Duviri

[wild wind]

Yeah that actually got to Wally I think. Took him a looooong time to get in

[zenith jacinth]

If there's one thing we know about wally it's that he doesn't like being excluded

[manic lichen]

Its a matching pfp. To this

Other one we did was Gwen being dead after she fell and spiderman failed to save her.

[zenith jacinth]

Ok

[terse gyro]

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcript-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-unknown-vessel Okay, this one really has me excited. This is straight out of one of Lovecraft's stories. The Infestation is afraid of the Man in the Wall. He's getting louder.

[last widget]

I am now intrigued. You know things are bad when the mindless Hive is afraid of something. Like the Tyranids with the Necrons, but actual fear instead of rather not seeing one-another.

[terse gyro]

Well, the Infestation isn't exactly mindless. It's a hive mind. Individual infested don't usually have a mind of their own, but are instead guided by a collective will.

Nightwave Series 2 shows how deceptively clever the Infestation can be.

[last widget]

That's the one with the kid, right?

The healing hand or whatever it was.

[terse gyro]

Jup

The Infestation was apparently mostly contained on the derelict ships around Eris, so it made up a fake miracle cure to get people to willingly infect themselves and cause a pandemic.

All it needed was someone capable of spreading that message. Cue Kenga, who was more than willing to get revenge for being exiled.

[gentle steppe]

seems the infested have started picking up on something nastier than themselves, and if theyre scared, we better watch our own backs, especially on deimos where the tenno heart beats along side with that rap tap tapping latrox hears on his house walls, it could be a weak breeze or a really bad storm coming to deimos

[last widget]

You also have Tyl unearthing the Infested in that one update

[autumn turret]

what?

[last widget]

Long ago, when he got his rework.

I believe it was a Quest as well.

[terse gyro]

That was the Sentients, not the Infested. Tyl Regor unintentionally woke up Hunhow.

[last widget]

OH!

[terse gyro]

Doctor Tengus was the one who brought the Infestation back to life, then blamed the Tenno when they broke free.

[autumn turret]

and tengus is affiliated with vay hek usually

[zenith jacinth]

The infested are rightfully scared of wally

[autumn turret]

iirc

[last widget]

I forgot who Tengus is. 💀💀💀

[autumn turret]

you literally never see him ingame

[zenith jacinth]

He's the guy that made ghouls and indirectly turned vay hek into what he is now

[terse gyro]

Tengus is a Grineer scientist who made the Ghouls, gave Vay Hek his augmentations, "reformed" the Grustrag Three and who revived the Infested.

Pretty odd how such a major antagonist is never once seen in the game, only in the Vay Hek prequel comic. Even the Queens have long since been introduced in-game.

[autumn turret]

he's mentioned a singular time ingame

[oblique plaza]

Is that the guy who makes the kubrows 💀

[autumn turret]

no?

[last widget]

The Queens are confusing me. Has the Worm been resurrected already, or is her sister just being delirious?

[autumn turret]

what is making you ask that

[last widget]

It's been on my head ever since the Second Dream.

[autumn turret]

what makes you think she's being delirious?

[last widget]

Also the fact that most Grineer still say "For the Queens".

[autumn turret]

you act like the fodder would be told of their leader's death

[terse gyro]

The Worm is still alive. It's the Elder that's dead.

[last widget]

Yeah, that. Thank you.

[oblique plaza]

Probably a continuity error

[autumn turret]

not really

why would they know

[oblique plaza]

Because its the queens

[terse gyro]

We thought the Worm was collecting Kuva to resurrect her sister, but it turns out that that's for the Kuva Liches. Seems the Elder is going to remain dead.

[autumn turret]

who they likely have never met, and will never meet

[last widget]

Even the Kuva Guardians still say "Queens".

[nova harness]

That’s because they don’t think she actually died

[terse gyro]

The gameplay showcase for Railjack showed a Grineer pilot ask her partner "Queens? I thought one of them- " when she said the usual "For the Queens" chant. Never made it into the game though.

[nova harness]

Maybe the thing that makes them loyal has a precept that says Queens like Clones in Star Wars say Sir

[last widget]

Yeah, that'd make sense.

[terse gyro]

Didn't North Korea have a thing where the citizens were forced to still refer to Kim Jong Il in present terms after he died? Maybe it's similar to dead.

[glad scarab]

Corpus Tech is better than Infested Biology. Why do they hate Biology so much?

Biotech is part of the future. No faction currently represents it. New Loka is a theocratic, nature-loving faction.

[last widget]

Aren't Warframes, technically speaking, biotech?

So, theoretically speaking, we represent Biotech.

[odd crane]

Warframes are void infused biotech.

Now what is disturbing is that Nora knows the man in the wall.

And fears it.

[glad scarab]

Norah Jones performed at the Great Wall ?

[livid portal]

Thats not the norah he's on about

[last widget]

Nora Night knows it? Interesting.

Still find it funny how the kids only got to use the void, whilst the adults became what now are void angels.

[zenith jacinth]

Their memories did, the humans are just dead

[nova harness]

Wally incited a riot

He wanted to turn the adults against the kids turning the kids into Tenno

[last widget]

Forgot who Wally is.

[zenith jacinth]

Man in the wall

[last widget]

Ah.

[nova harness]

This person

[last widget]

The funny schmuck that says hi every once in a while.

[rich river]

Hmmmm

[velvet wing]

Is this real? Why are those helmets so sick?

[velvet wing]

I just checked the PlayStation store and that is not in it

[covert plank]

Because

[velvet wing]

Aaaah

[prime lantern]

140 bucks

[velvet wing]

Too expensive

[nova harness]

It isn’t for people who have Job Prime

[graceful zodiac]

Leaks aren't generally kosher to be showing around here

[velvet wing]

People with jobs can still look at a pack of cosmetics for a video game that costs over $100 and go that’s too expensive.

[last widget]

Me rn.

[covert plank]

Worst thing is Rebecca saying “packs” so there will be more than one

[last widget]

The Lotus requires you to forfeit your monthly Platinum savings, Operator.

[manic lichen]

ya i figured out one thing so far new with the latest hotfix

loids room now has rap tap tap sound effects echoing

[velvet wing]

No one’s home go away

[livid portal]

Anywhere else have something like this?

[manic lichen]

not sure

id assume the zarimen ship might also have something new. havnt checked yet tho

[rain otter]

Is it gonna be this room that had the secret lab though.

Maybe.

[nova harness]

Zariman Elevator does in loading screen

[last widget]

What do you mean by "rap tap tap"? The sound made by the autistic kid during his quest?

[nova harness]

That was Wally not rell

[livid portal]

Wonder if the void does somewhere aswell lol

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think that's actually new, I vaguely remember hearing knocking there ever since it released

[nova harness]

Sometimes it does

[zenith jacinth]

The whispering rap tap tap was rell

[nova harness]

Still was Wally making it happen

[zenith jacinth]

But he wasn't making the sound, that's what matters

[manic lichen]

whats new with it ?

[livid portal]

Tapping

[manic lichen]

oooo bet

i wonder if all the other nods like cetus and necrolisk and zarimen have the sounds

or if there is anything new.

anyone get the rewards yet??? from doing the weekly stuff.

[zenith jacinth]

Zariman and necralisk are void-related, the rest aren't

[livid portal]

We must check every place related to the void now to see if there's tapping lol

[manic lichen]

well the edilon shop area kinda is?

play a void mission rq lol

maybe teshins cave taps too

[zenith jacinth]

Not very, they're more sentient-related

[manic lichen]

i guess

[livid portal]

Doubt furtuna had it

[manic lichen]

i think it be a better effect if the tapping was all throughout the map. but got louder as you went to the elevator or loids room

[zenith jacinth]

I still don't understand how something that gets dissolved by void can also be used to amplify pure void beams

[manic lichen]

im hyped. i think if DE made wally appear each time you went to your orbiter for this upcoming stuff. that it be much more hyped. just a personal opinion

[zenith jacinth]

Or make him completely stop appearing after a few... hours, maybe, of appearing nonstop

[manic lichen]

^

[obtuse gyro]

dead bones sometimes make for good conduits

[real niche]

Think of it like conductivity, like how the human body is built to send electical signals through the muscles to cause movement.

[manic lichen]

imma have a personal issue with DE if they tease all this, with tennocon, and say the next update will be in like 5 months 💀

COMING 2025

[livid portal]

They can take there time

[zenith jacinth]

Simulating that unique thing that harrow's codex has with the increasingly loud static that then just disappears

And then "Rap. Tap. Tap."

[manic lichen]

thye can but im impatient

[livid portal]

Do you want good or bad quality lol

[manic lichen]

someone check the railjack drive with the finger.

[livid portal]

Ohh

[manic lichen]

maybe it makes sounds too lol

[livid portal]

Zariman reliquary drive

[manic lichen]

^

[prime lantern]

Onkko says it's amplifying our will aswell somehow

[zenith jacinth]

It always did

[manic lichen]

[livid portal]

What's your username cus someone with your discord name has someone like it lol

[prime lantern]

Check our railjack see if cy has any new lines

[manic lichen]

Zynder-Prime

I'm sitting at the hole in Deimos

[livid portal]

Im cody75860 lol

[manic lichen]

Afk

[zenith jacinth]

But how does it not just get dissolved

[manic lichen]

YOOOOO WHATS GOOD LOL

[livid portal]

What a coincidence lol

[manic lichen]

right? Lol. That's neat lol

[obtuse gyro]

the fact that praghasa isnt goo after ferrying the entire sentient force into sol should be clue enough for you

poison =/= melting

[zenith jacinth]

The fragments during the anthem quest are dying

Praghasa was massive

Amps aren't

[livid portal]

Wasn't sentients used not praghasa

[prime lantern]

What

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

[prime lantern]

Praghasa is a sentient

She's lotuses mom and our grandma

[livid portal]

Yeah but he's saying praghasa was massive and amps aren't

[prime lantern]

We've got quite the family tree

[prime lantern]

Correct

[livid portal]

Railjack doesn't have the tapping so I'm gonna check the reliquary drive

[obtuse gyro]

dying yes, but dissolving?

dying and dissolving are two very very very different things

[prime lantern]

I mean praghasa was pretty destroyed when we met her no

[obtuse gyro]

large bulk of her remained still, and that was with full exposure to the void

[livid portal]

She was probably fine until she went to the sun

[obtuse gyro]

you take the bones of what remains and run some void through it and it shouldnt fall appart

[livid portal]

Reliquary drive doesn't have the tapping either

[obtuse gyro]

railjack does have tapping, but its been in the game for ages where the finger taps on the casing

[rich river]

I'm sure the big pack also includes the 2 frames plus Plat so that's a bump in pruce(pic was AUS it's ariund 90US). So then of course there will be lower packs with just the skins

[prime lantern]

2 frames?

[last widget]

Alright, what is Tau and why do Umbral mods provide resistance to it?

[wild copper]

sentient damage

[last widget]

Ah. Gotcha.

[prime lantern]

Tau is a star system

[last widget]

OH YEAH, RIGHT!

[nova harness]

What’s the resistance actually resisting?

[last widget]

A Sentient's over-inflated ego, perhaps.

[zenith jacinth]

.

[manic lichen]

called it

[compact haven]

I saw him for the first time in nearly 6 months earlier this morning 😂

[manic lichen]

coincidence?

[compact haven]

That was honestly my first thought, I haven't seen him in ages, he starts getting talked about, then me and my partner both see him within about 4 minutes of each other.

[last widget]

THAT'S WHAT IT IS? I THOUGHT THE KNOCKING WAS FROM THE THING! 💀💀💀

I'm still trying to find out who Stalker's Operator is.

[thick jolt]

i think it used to be a clicking considering it has been called a clock before but yeah that knocking is totally different

[zenith jacinth]

It's essentially a big ayatan, it did the same clicking noise that fully active ayatans do

[velvet wing]

Wonder how much endo Maroo would give us for it

[compact haven]

Still not enough

[manic lichen]

lol, not enough

[obtuse gyro]

good luck with that, youre not going to find anything

[last widget]

Lmao

[nova harness]

Stalkers Operator is Drifter if you wanna get technical

[last widget]

Q u e

[obtuse gyro]

You can control stalker with drifter in duviri

[last widget]

WHAT?!

[nova harness]

Yeah that’s the closest you will probably ever find to it

[last widget]

How come I have never come across this?

[nova harness]

Are you new to Warframe?

[graceful zodiac]

He doesn't have one

[last widget]

Negative. Simply haven't played for a year or so.

[nova harness]

Duviri has Stalker for rank 10 in Opportunity

[last widget]

I am now intrigued.

[nova harness]

Why he’s in Duviri is the real mystery

[obtuse gyro]

Same reason why we got frames, space magic

[nova harness]

Completely normal

||For Warframe ||

[supple dagger]

Riiightttt

[nova harness]

So what do you rate Doorframe the story of Doors/10?

[supple dagger]

Lol I found Siege

[nova harness]

He’s invading

[livid portal]

Dog days is coming soon....

[nova harness]

Seige is Wally confirmed

[livid portal]

After all this time

[nova harness]

That’s why he calls every character Wally

[supple dagger]

Lmao

[livid portal]

Lol

[nova harness]

I might throw him into Doorframe

Pull an Albrecht on him

[livid portal]

Hes gonna disappear for a while

[nova harness]

I’ll summon an army of Harrow mains

[livid portal]

🤣

You should summon an army of inaros mains

[livid portal]

[nova harness]

Sand is the most powerful weapon in Warframe history

Actually we need a few Limbo mains to troll him

[livid portal]

Bros never coming back

[nova harness]

I’m fine with that

Actually we need the largest army of all the Wukong mains

They will probably last the longest

[livid portal]

Hes gonna be erased from every universe now

[prime lantern]

I mean in truth limbo is the best frame to take against wally

[wispy stag]

there is no way we fight the guy that gave us our power and win

[prime lantern]

Who says he gave us powers

We just need to really want it don't we

[nova harness]

Who said we will fight him?

[wispy stag]

people be talking about going against him

[nova harness]

Yeah

I made a few jokes about how many Warframes it would take

[lone axle]

the fact that i can hear what rell was talking about is scary
it really is a rap tap tap

[nova harness]

There’s a Man in a Wall and he’s done hardly anything at all but he starting right today

[neat osprey]

have you been on the reddit

DE leaked something and some people are angry

[supple dagger]

You mean the skins? Ig people are mad at the pricing but I’m prettyyyy sure there’s going to be separate packs that have the individual skins and they probably won’t cost as much

[velvet wing]

De didn’t leak anything, something got accidentally included and the prices listed in the leak are not what you think they are

[midnight lily]

the “$135” was in AUD. USD price is $90 (still a bit much)

[velvet wing]

You’re not wrong but it’s also not official, maybe seeing the community’s response they might change costs

Or they charge $90 for two cosmetics and some peripherals and start bleeding their audience

[autumn turret]

it also comes with aya and plat

[gentle steppe]

anybody else noticed that the infestation as a whole has a fear of demons?

[zenith jacinth]

There are no demons in wf

[gentle steppe]

there is one, wally

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Helminth/Quotes

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas also calls us devils, and marge called us angels

And we don't know what wally is

[obtuse gyro]

The "demons" in question are us

[zenith jacinth]

And it's not scared of us, it's scared of the void, just like all infested

[gentle steppe]

the tenno before meeting wally were regular humans, no void powers, after shaking wallys hand, making a deal with a void demon, they got unstoppable powers, pre dream they could barely control after an unknown time of being out of the void

I think wally has an army he wanted, the tenno, and as all demon deals go, they eventually come to collect their payment for giving us such power

[zenith jacinth]

Still very concerning that a moon-sized collective organism is scared of a noise

[zenith jacinth]

Again, we don't know what wally is

[obtuse gyro]

When the helminth speaks of "void demon" its referring to you

[gentle steppe]

well the infested are starting to hide, and all that, as latrox said in his chat with Nora, and with the amount of brain power they have from those they consumed, they most likely learned who wally is already, either way, I'm gonna go ahead and gear up for the storm that is coming our way

[zenith jacinth]

Wally is the storm that is approaching

[prime lantern]

Why do people assume the infestation is dumb

It's simple yes

But still intelligent

[velvet wing]

Because no one has developed it’s intelligence

[craggy solstice]

Kind of curious of what if we left infested alad v alone.

Also, are we going to ignore the transcripts from Phorid?

[prime lantern]

What transcripts

Are there new ones???????????????????

[obtuse gyro]

The huh?

[craggy solstice]

transmissions*

[obtuse gyro]

Oh nothing new

[craggy solstice]

The fact that it's trying to talk to you at all.

[prime lantern]

They do that alot

Phorid lephantis prelate

[rustic meteor]

Dunno if this belongs here but does anyone know if this is a bug or actually intended

While in zariman missions my gf could see spooky paintings and blood all that jazz while I never saw those things

She thinks if it ain't a bug could be cuz of some previous quest choices where an option was to kill or control doubt karma has an effect but her is towards moon while mine is neutral

[river willow]

iirc the paintings were only dependant on your alignment in the New War. not sure about normally around the Zariman tho

[manic lichen]

nope

[rustic meteor]

We found out yesterday that we see different things we was looking at the same wall and she saw one of those paintings and I did not 😂

Never saw anything spooky in there

[obtuse gyro]

might be your graphic settings, the murals have been there for a long time

[rustic meteor]

Gore is enabled if that may be the thing not sure what else would affect seeing some paintings

[obtuse gyro]

if we could get a screen shot of what you two are seeing (and not seeing) that would help

[rustic meteor]

Can't rn but I think this is what she been seeing along with blood she described it looking like a murder scene while mine was always squeaky clean lol

[radiant belfry]

Yeah, I'm neutral alignment and I still see the wall paintings on the zariman, one of my favorite details of the tileset

[rustic meteor]

Weird I never saw em, she said maybe is the choice of Killin or controlling in some quest related ab the adults something along the lines I also saw someone else mention in a Reddit post they don't see it but unsure why

[radiant belfry]

I doubt one choice would alter a whole tileset

[rustic meteor]

I could try messing with my settings but I doubt there is something messing with some paintings on them walls

[near rune]

The murals on the Zariman don't show up if you're not using the Enhanced Graphics Engine. It's a very stark difference between legacy graphics and current graphics settings. Without the Enhanced Graphics Engine you just get blank wall. I believe this is handled in the launcher, not the in-game settings.

[rustic meteor]

Oh-

[rustic meteor]

Bit of a bummer but oh well, thx for letting me know

[zenith jacinth]

Karma isn't really a fully accurate word for it, but it's hard to find a fitting word

[radiant belfry]

Imagine how terrifying it would be to walk into your dormizone only to see wally's true form smiling in through the window

[stiff osprey]

like others said, DE has been foreshadowing the helminth strain and the infestation’s connection to warframes for a long time

like when phorid and lephantis are like “we are your flesh blah blah”

[zenith jacinth]

That might be the most confusing pfp I have ever seen, even though I know everything that's part of it

[stiff osprey]

LMAO

you’re the first person to ever comment on it

[manic lichen]

id not appriciate that

[radiant belfry]

Lol

No bad language allowed

[zenith jacinth]

I see the shade and the flag, and I'm confused as to why they're combined

[stiff osprey]

i thought it would be funny

[zenith jacinth]

It is somehow

[stiff osprey]

mission accomplished

[manic lichen]

my finger slipped

[zenith jacinth]

Suuuure

[manic lichen]

anyone wanna come join us at our amazing sleepover? ignore the knocking. our neghbor is a little mental

[radiant belfry]

[manic lichen]

we got popcorn, drinks, snacks, candy, etc

[oblique plaza]

Which relay

[manic lichen]

demois

[oblique plaza]

Busy?

[manic lichen]

deimos* and idk. pick one with me in it lol

[oblique plaza]

That doesnt help 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Hard to know which instance you're in

[oblique plaza]

Imagine something crawls out of here

Wouldn't be surprised tbh

[ocean void]

There is the void dragon under it, you can glitch yourself to go under the map

[oblique plaza]

Void dragon? Like an orowyrm?

[ocean void]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Orowyrms are everywhere void-related. Mirrors in void missions, void storm loading screens, mirror defense portal thing...

[oblique plaza]

Never noticed

Ill start looking for them

[manic lichen]

spill the secret

how to exit the map

[ocean void]

There is a specific spot to jump

Or get a loading screen mess up of where u spawn in

You can find it on YouTube or Reddit

[gentle steppe]

anybody else hear knocking and speech in void tongue within loids chamber?

[livid portal]

Yep

[radiant belfry]

Rap. Tap. Tap

[shell holly]

Yeah it came with the latest hotfix

[autumn turret]

the hotfix that totally didnt add anything related to something happening 9 hours from now

[exotic portal]

Anyone explains whats the story of the man in the wall?, The one which appears after ballas death

[obtuse gyro]

the indifference, the evil eye, the man in the wall, he who knocks, a mysterious being from the void, first encountered by albrecht entrati on his first experiment into the void

[terse gyro]

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcription-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-try-again-slick Okay, I'm really loving this. This is straight out of a Lovecraft story.

[terse gyro]

https://www.warframe.com/tennocon I also noticed this page has Praghasa next to the TennoCon sign. I wonder if that's foreshadowing or just for a cool image.

[nova harness]

Probably just a cool image

Unless it’s related to Stalker news we had a while ago

[odd crane]

Stalker news?

[nova harness]

DE said on the AMA expect more Stalker content

[terse gyro]

Probably more related to Pazuul than Stalker. Stalker doesn't really care about Praghasa.

[late spoke]

You dont know

what time tenncon start

[nova harness]

In 4 hours

[late spoke]

Time wise dude wtf

[zenith jacinth]

2 hours and 30 minutes

[nova harness]

2 hours and 29 minutes

[zenith jacinth]

To be extra specific it's 25 minutes

[nova harness]

This is why you should just use the timers DE gave us

So much easier

[real niche]

Let me just guess your time zone real quick

[last widget]

2 hours and 45 minutes.