spoiler-chat

[supple dagger]

Pfft no?

[prime lantern]

Lmao

Ally????

Who is this

[marble zephyr]

Ballas? Ally? Lol

[obtuse gyro]

Is that what the story is? I haven't gotten to the quest yet

[wild wind]

It's not a quest, but yeah more or less, going by the breadcrumbs.

[prime lantern]

I am so confused by the orb

What is its purpose who Is it

Why is it labeled as an ally

[obtuse gyro]

Collapse implies that he should have tenno

[wild wind]

There's no distinction between Tenno and Operator at any time except when the Operator is outside the Warframe, prior to the present day.

Rell IS Harrow, to use the one example we have.

[prime lantern]

Right but it talks about kullevero watching the tenno be merged with the frames

[marble zephyr]

I wonder if we can consider kullervo the drifter's cannon frame, like Excalibur umbra is the operator's story frame.

[wild wind]

I think that's actually referring to the Tenno starting the Orokin purge

[prime lantern]

No it's not

[wild wind]

And, what an interesting question. Probably not, since Kullervo would have his Operator still inside, and canonically the three Warframes Drifter uses before leaving the spiral are the starter three.

[prime lantern]

The canon frame is the one you use

[wild wind]

But Kullervo rules, so I'll allow it.

[prime lantern]

There is no determined canon frame

That the player tenno uses

The canon one is the one you have equipped

[wild wind]

Technically correct, but at the same time Excalibur is the iconic Warframe, in the Pathfinder sense.

I haven't touched Excal in years

[marble zephyr]

He's fun

But yeah my revenant is better

[prime lantern]

I mean we should logically use umbra for everything given his ability to move

But like we dont

[wild wind]

Because Umbra's ability to move and dumb as rocks AI means he gets got in 1 second

[prime lantern]

I love bringing umbra to cutscenes

And just watching him stand around because he can't move in cutscenes

Like the new war when ballas almost kills lotus

Umbra just sitting there like

"Dam if only I could help in any way but alas I am a warframe and can't move without my tenno"

[wild wind]

I mean, yeah. Umbra still has the transference bolt.

Ballas just uses that it since the Operator isn't inside to override it.

[prime lantern]

I could go back to the second dream

With umbra

[prime lantern]

Just remove the bolt and install a new one

Problem solved

[wild wind]

Doesn't work like that

Since it's implied that the transference bolt is the way we enter and control all Warframes.

[prime lantern]

Yea

So take out the bad one

And put in the new one

I fail to see a problem

[wild wind]

There's no such thing as a bad one. Ballas could theoretically do it to ANY Warframe.

Because he can get into transference bolts, period.

[prime lantern]

Make it removable then

[wild wind]

Then you don't have a Warframe period.

[prime lantern]

Says who

We already don't use the somatic chair

[obtuse gyro]

Thats because we're transfering direct instead of via chair, you likely could still transfer without the bolt, but it feels like it would be harder

[prime lantern]

Also making the bolt removable wouldn't make the frame useless

We just make umbras removable

So we hop out of him and he just yanks it out

And then when we want back in he puts it back

[wild wind]

And while he's ripping out part of his own neck and spine, Ballas chops off the Lotus's hand and we're back to canon.

[prime lantern]

Except he can pull us back

While we pull

I don't really understand how the warframe failed to grab lotus

[zenith jacinth]

Wasn't the one in umbra a special bolt?

[prime lantern]

In the first place

[wild wind]

I genuinely don't recall

[prime lantern]

I'm fairly certain everything about umbra is a special case

[wild wind]

I don't think it was since Ballas empasizes that it's a transference bolt, without saying it was special in any way

[prime lantern]

Maybe

¯_(ツ)_/¯

My biggest question is how the warframe failed to grab lotus in the first place

Based on the velocity of the arrows we fire we should have a 1 armed strength of around 50 tons

[wild wind]

Warframes are still bound by our ability to react

[prime lantern]

We had her in our hands

[wild wind]

And then we got ganked

[zenith jacinth]

Gripped too carefully because we could crush her hand

Problem solved

[wild wind]

Oh god imagine if we'd Gwen Stacy'd Lotus

[prime lantern]

No we didn't

[wild wind]

actually there were a lot of people who were drooling at the thought of putting a bullet in her so feeding them is an awful idea

[prime lantern]

Lotus somehow slipped out of our hands

[prime lantern]

Sentients adapt to kinetic damage

[zenith jacinth]

I was definitely not one of them

[wild wind]

Pfffffffft

[zenith jacinth]

Their adaptation is neither instant nor perfect

[prime lantern]

It's strong enough that the orokin couldn't deal with them

And phragsa could withstand the heat of the sun

[wild wind]

That's because they were hijacking tech

[zenith jacinth]

Because the sentients were taking over their weapons

[zenith jacinth]

Barely

[prime lantern]

Barely???

[loud kayak]

Natah definitely wasn't doing too well at the moment so I wouldn't count on the adaptation

[prime lantern]

She still tanked the sun

[wild wind]

If the Orokin weapon systems worked properly then none of the story happens

[prime lantern]

There is no barely she almost ate the sun

[zenith jacinth]

Beams were breaking through everywhere

[prime lantern]

She didn't flash fry

That's incredible

And also even if

Let mom fall into the void (this can and should've killed her) or hurt moms hand

[wild wind]

I think that's mostly the scale of Orokin era tech

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus was extremely weakened and a grineer killed a sentient using mining equipment.

[wild wind]

The railjack got way closer to the sun than any vehicle we're on track to make

Ever, more or less

Also, Wisp's 4 channels the sun and well it's not exactly impressive.

[prime lantern]

50 tons of strength

And we let mom fall into a vat of acid because we didn't want to hurt her arm

[balmy storm]

Could Kullervo’s prison be a manifestation of their own emotions and guilt?

[prime lantern]

Probably is

[wild wind]

More like, we didn't want to rip her arm out of her socket and have it happen anyway.

And it is, yes.

Given that the Warden acknowledges he's Kullervo's desire for punishment made manifest.

[prime lantern]

How would we have ripped her arm out of the socket

The kiddo held onto her just fine

[zenith jacinth]

Void succ too stronk

[prime lantern]

The child

THE CHILD held onto her just fine

[wild wind]

I brought up Gwen Stacey to make that comparison. The force of the stop snapped her neck when Spiderman caught her. Given the Lotus's fragile condition, getting stopped by a Warframe's grip would put orders of magnitude more force on her.

[prime lantern]

Could've used like volt

[wild wind]

And electrocuted her to death, great idea.

[prime lantern]

Just control the lightning

[zenith jacinth]

Mag

[prime lantern]

Mag

[wild wind]

Volt doesn't control lightning though.

[prime lantern]

Volts speed doesn't electrocute things

[wild wind]

Just unleashes it

[prime lantern]

He touchs metal bullets just fine

With them being eletric

Also mag

[zenith jacinth]

Volt generates powerful static electricity by just walking

[prime lantern]

Well he chooses when to discharge it

[wild wind]

I don't think you want to forcibly magnigize the Lotus at that point

[prime lantern]

Why

[wild wind]

Do you have any idea what magnets do to computers

[zenith jacinth]

It's discharged on the next direct contact with another being

[prime lantern]

Are the sentients even computers

[wild wind]

That was a joke, but more seriously, there's a very good chance that magnetizing the Lotus just results in her being torn in half by the portal's opening

And like, Ballas is still right there. We catch Lotus?

Open a portal under our feet.

Sadly he'd won that round.

[prime lantern]

Magnetize ballas

[wild wind]

Still doesn't stop us from taking a void bath.

[prime lantern]

Titanfall 2 void finisher him

[wild wind]

Lotus still goes into the drink and Narmer rises.

[prime lantern]

We kill ballas

[loud kayak]

New war spoiler question: ||how do we get all our stuff back after ordis explodes and all that stuff? I am a bit confused about what happened||

[wild wind]

Our stuff was all on the ship but unusable. Ordis was also on the ship, but had downloaded a copy of himself into the owl body.

The copy died, taking that set of memories with him, but the original was fine.

[loud kayak]

Ah, makes sense. I'm just dumb, thanks.

[wild wind]

Nah it's not explained at all. We're still missing a ton of pieces so confusion is totally normal.

[loud kayak]

A friend is about to finally get to the New War after struggling to get the Voidrig so I'm just trying to refresh my memory on the whole thing when he inevitably has questions

[zenith jacinth]

Not even that, it was basically just a proxy body he was using while the ship was in sleep mode

[wild wind]

Right but there was some degree of local storage, he doesn't recognize Drifter right away. Also, he would have made a reference to what just happened if it was all of him in there.

[spark stone]

Do the optional objectives in new war quests make any difference? (Such as freeing the prisoners or removing narmer veils from the ostrons

[zenith jacinth]

No

Otherwise they wouldn't be optional

DE doesn't do missable content

[spark stone]

Not asking if they're required.

The first one, freeing the prisoners, I thought there would have been additional lore or some kind of reward but seemed to have nothing so far - Currently freeing the ostrons

So it's just unnecessary fluff?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[prime lantern]

Yea

[spark stone]

😦

[balmy storm]

scarlet spear

[zenith jacinth]

And everything important lavos from that still exists

[prime lantern]

Operations

[dull path]

Operations and Scarlet Spear were events, and the only things that were exclusive to those were emblems. Everything else is still obtainable

[prime lantern]

Idk the lore of those events was pretty important

[prime lantern]

Did you forget, kiddo?
A: You owe me
What is 'the Wall'?
B: The Wall of Bone in whiKU NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK?
What was the ultimate fate of Albrecht Entrati?
B: That's the question, isn't it, kiddo?
What invaded the Galleria?
B: Nothing you need to worry your head over
You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
B: I saved them. All of them, Never said I'd save you
How many fingers are found upon one's hand?
B: Where are my fingerbones, Kiddo?

You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
B: I saved them. All of them, Never said I'd save you

Fascinating but what could it mean

What did wally save the other kids from but not us

[spark stone]

Lol, Octavia and Knell prime made the final archon fight so trivial - sealth, then headshot, all health down in less than a second

lol still stealthed in teh cutscene

[woeful jacinth]

Archons are weak in general when you get your warframe

[jagged sable]

Something I remember, Vor had a voice line that said something about the "Wall of bone"....and there's the Zariman tablet that said something about the "Wall of bone" before switching into Requiem speak.

maybe Vor's got some perspective that might help translate that?

[near rune]

Are you talking about after the Tenno comes back from the Zariman? Because the table conversation indicates that there's a period of time between Ordis getting blown up and Tenno going to the Zariman, even though the quest makes it seem like immediately after.

[nova harness]

I wonder if Duviri confirms KU NOMA ELU RA KAH MARA LOHK being the the Words Wally spoke

[livid portal]

Not there for me

[livid portal]

Never mind

[balmy storm]

It probably does
Now we just need to figure out what that means

[fallen verge]

"Where are my finger bones, kiddo?"

best thing ever

[opal rapids]

"In my railjack fam"

[nova harness]

In the Zariman but Cloned for Railjack

So technically it’s in both

[zenith jacinth]

There are multiple originals, our rj one could be one of them

[fast gazelle]

The original is locked away somewhere

[zenith jacinth]

There are multiple originals

[nova harness]

Calvero and Archemedian Yonta discuss about the number of existing finger relics during the Angels of the Zariman quest, and the latter mentions that there would be "fewer than there used to be" as long as the "originals are safely sealed away,"

[smoky skiff]

wait where is this one. i never got that one

[nova harness]

What does Welch mean

[fast gazelle]

Go back

Turn away

[nova harness]

So what Drifter did

[fast gazelle]

We are not sure

It was never shown if drifter made a deal with the man in the wall

[zenith jacinth]

They did not, otherwise they'd have void powers and not be stuck in duviri

[nova harness]

I think Masaki is referring to the deal cutscene

[fast gazelle]

Time in the void doesn't make sense

It's implied that the gameplay of duviri take place many years or loops after chains of harrow after we break the harrow chains

And duviri experienced a chain shower and a red veil event

And probably the duviri quest line takes place during the new war

And the operator experienced the zariman event again in order for wally to add to gain influence or power

Whatever rell did to wally really made him seem I dunno ....... weak ?

[nova harness]

There’s something I wonder from the Drifter page on New War. While reviving the Lotus, she fails to recognize the Drifter and turns hostile. They flee long enough for Eternalism to catch up, granting the Drifter Void powers while restoring the Operator

Think that’s what happened

[fast gazelle]

She probably did a scan on him and sensed no void on him

[nova harness]

Think Eternalism caught up?

[fast gazelle]

Probably

It's hard to say

[nova harness]

I miss when quest lore was simple

[fast gazelle]

They were never simple just hard to get and understand lol

[inner mantle]

I miss when frames had lore and it mattered

We have a sentient frame with 0 (meaningful) lore

[fast gazelle]

We do he was made by erra in the old war that's it lol

[graceful zodiac]

We fully still get frames with Lore

It's just as inconsistent as it always been

[woeful jacinth]

Garuda was found near a dumpster I think

[zenith jacinth]

In a mushroom

[near rune]

Yeah frames used to have no lore at all, before the Codex in U12 and quest system in U14

[smoky skiff]

sorry to ping again but where is this one? if you remember

[prime lantern]

Couldn't tell you

It's on the forums

[smoky skiff]

[supple dagger]

Time to search every corner of Duviri for 3 hours

[smoky skiff]

damn and the guy didn't even log where they got them from and he's at 29 so i've got one he's missing and he's got one im missing. AAAAAAAAAAA

[supple dagger]

Rip

[smoky skiff]

nvm he did actually get them all

he did thankfully upload all the pads so ik its in grass YIPPEEE

[prime lantern]

Hmmm

No clues

What could wally have saved the other tenno from but not the player tenno

[balmy storm]

Being the main character

[supple dagger]

Looks like it could be in a tree pot cause I don’t think there’s any grass in Duviri that’s that green

[smoky skiff]

im starting to think maybe it wasn't the operator who took the deal but the drifter instead. the deal possibly being everyone is saved but you have to stay

[smoky skiff]

hmmmm could be

[prime lantern]

Except wallys deal with the operator was saving them all

The drifter never got a deal

[smoky skiff]

we dont know that for sure

the drifter just says they never were saved

i mean isn't it errie that there is nobody else in duviri. the only ppl that have been are new comers that have come after duviri's creation

[graceful zodiac]

Not really, just about everyone else on the ship would be dead

[smoky skiff]

we have i guess techincally 5 ppl that have been to duviri. the scholar (likely albrecht), teshin, kullervo, lotus (only via the hand) and the operator (due to there intrinsic link to the drifter)

[smoky skiff]

but why was the drifter special in the regard. not to say its impossible for them to be the only last survivor it just feels unlikely that they would be the ONLY person to come to duviri during its creation

[prime lantern]

They weren't

Albectri and teshin are there

So is kullevero and wally

[smoky skiff]

albrecht was after its creation (sometime likely after the zariman incident tho we have no clue when he decided to stop taking the kuva but likely before the old war) then teshin way way after (during the new war) with kullervo being somewhere inbetween (unknown exactly but sometime during the tenno betrayal)

and to note these are not ppl from the zariman. thats my point. seems like nobody was on the drifters zariman at all

[prime lantern]

Or they all died

I mean duviri exists because drifter wanted to save everyone

So now he has a perfect paradise where he can save everyone from the big bad thrax

Over and over and over

[smoky skiff]

yea ofc. its just idk feels unlikely to me i guess. it could defo be that conceptual embodiment needs very very strong emotions and being the only one left alive would trigger that but i would of thought just seeing your parents and loved ones trying to kill you and seeing your friends die would be enough.

eh idk about that casue the loops seemingly only started once the drifter wanted out

but anyway on a more interesting note the graves have text now. weirdly enough they have dug a grave for the scholar even inscribed on it yet ofc it lays empty

[supple dagger]

Anyone know why this guy just has the “Tales of Duviri” storybook?

[near rune]

A few of the characters have it. The "Reader", at the Archarbor, and one of the "Cheerful" guys at ~~Artisan ~~Watershed Hamlet. It's just a prop some of them hold. I guess the book exists inside Duviri as well.

[supple dagger]

Ohh ok. I didn’t know that other people had it

[near rune]

The "Reader" I think is the one that matters most; she comments on what she's reading (nothing interesting). The other characters, I think it's just a prop or an afterthought. It is interesting that there's graffiti on the book à la Zariman walls.

[balmy storm]

Is Kullervo a sentient warframe?
Their grief and guilt has to be from them and not the operator, unless their operator is trapped in transference with them
Right?

[zenith jacinth]

Harrow 2.0, now with guilt?

[wild wind]

Probably not; if the Warframes were sane enough to love/plan/betray etc then they never would have needed Operators.

Also, he seems to follow the Tenno ways, what with the kneeling afterwards.

[smoky skiff]

sorta. hard to say how aware he was of his actions but some of his crimes date before the tenno.

like the killing of his mother

[velvet wing]

I mean isn’t Valkyr driven crazy by the torment and experiments done on her? It’s not the first time we’ve seen a frame’s progenitor influence the frame

[wild wind]

.....bold of you to assume that Valkyr's Tenno wasn't along for the ride.

[prime lantern]

I doubt that any frame bar umbra has a mind intact enough to do much of anything

[wild wind]

Yeah, there's something in there, but not rationally thinking minds.

[prime lantern]

I am however in the boat of the frame snapped the sword in tsd

[velvet wing]

I was under the impression that warframes were once real people infected with the grey strain and that the Tenno use transference to then control the frame made with the mixing of a warrior and the infestation

[prime lantern]

But that's an exception and shouldn't really be used to rationalize arguments

[velvet wing]

And not Tenno themselves turned into warframes

[prime lantern]

They are

[wild wind]

The process drives them all insane.

[real niche]

And you'd be right, but the "Tenno" part, the Operator, didn't exist at first.

[velvet wing]

Then the Valkyr thing makes no sense?

[prime lantern]

Why

Until the second dream the tenno belived they were the frame

[velvet wing]

This

[prime lantern]

Yea?

[woeful jacinth]

The operator more than likely felt the pain of being dissected

[velvet wing]

How could Valkyr’s Tenno be along for the ride if frames are made from Dax warriors and Tenno then use transference to access the frame?

[real niche]

Have you heard of Evangelion by chance?

[wild wind]

The Tenno originally forgot that they had separate bodies

[prime lantern]

Because the second dream made the tenno believe they were the frame

[wild wind]

Post-Zariman, the kids were cripples

[velvet wing]

But when Valkyr was created the Tenno couldn’t be there?

[prime lantern]

Yea

[wild wind]

Couldn't walk, couldn't control their void powers

[wild wind]

Valkyr isn't the original

[prime lantern]

Valks torture happened by alad v

[velvet wing]

I know this

[wild wind]

The original Warframe was Gersemi

But remember, when Lotus wakes us up, we're inside our starter frame

So the one who was being tortured was Gersemi's operator

[velvet wing]

Man I hate talking lore with people

[wild wind]

There are no copies of Gersemi around, we're making copies of Valkyr. The one that was tortured and broken.

[velvet wing]

Like the point was about Kullervo being sentient and I brought up Valkyr and her emotions and now it’s devolved to thus

[prime lantern]

Because we already have an answer

The children in the frames believe they are the frames pre second dream

I imagine transference makes you subconsciously believe you are the thing your transferring into regardless of the dream

The dream made us consciously believe we are the frame

Which is why damage to the frame affects us

Like phantom pain you know

[wild wind]

Something like that. It becomes our body, we feel what it feels, etc.

[real niche]

Or Evangeli-

[wild wind]

(Basic empathy)

[prime lantern]

I mean they are basically the same

Flesh robots used by teenagers powered by eldritch horrors

[wild wind]

Yah

[real niche]

But one is Power Rangers and the other is Real Steel

[woeful jacinth]

Starts singing cruel angel's thesis

[wild wind]

Iirc Reb had an Evangelion themed Warframe

[prime lantern]

The only other part of Evangelion I know about

Is something I won't mention

But the problem with my thing is when the subconscious and conscious don't align bad things happen to the mind

[balmy storm]

But presumably he would presently be without an operator unless the operator was either trapped via transference or the emotions the operator felt had a sort of imprint, both due to him entering the void
The latter kinda makes more sense since void + emotion = weird

[wild wind]

There's something weird there yeah, since there are six Kullervos in the prison.

.....the seventh broke out. It was the one representing how Kullervo tried to kill Ballas.

[undone gust]

Quick question, is the warden a sort of Ballas representation by Kullervo or are they just similar because?

[balmy storm]

I think Kullervo being split is definitely due to the guilt he felt literally tore him apart
It’s kinda what guilt does
And for the how that happened: void

[prime lantern]

Intentionally ballas

[balmy storm]

The Ballas manifestation and the entire prison island is due to Kullervo’s emotions of guilt

[wild wind]

Yup, Kullervo made the Warden to compound his torture

[balmy storm]

Notably fake ballas acts like he’s from outside but he is in fact a void manifestation, apparently duvirians know their own

[undone gust]

'K thanks for the answer

[balmy storm]

The warden is there to beat Kullervo down
Similar to how one may beat themselves down due to guilt, anger, sadness, etc

[smoky skiff]

@supple dagger i found it. its under the bridge next to mithilas farm

[balmy storm]

👀

[supple dagger]

That’s such an evil spot lol. I literally was checking every plant pot earlier and just gave up

[smoky skiff]

sooooo seems like nothing for getting them all

RIP

[supple dagger]

I wanna try answering them all right and see if anything happens tbh

[smoky skiff]

unfortunately you'd be missing 1-2 cause there is no rotation where all 3 islands are active

gonna go poke the finger just in case

oki nothing. so thats unfortunate that there seems to be nothing. tho maybe might be something for activating X amount of them or something in a run

[supple dagger]

Isn’t the prison island around during Sorrow?

Oh wait nvm amphitheater isn’t around during Sorrow cause Bombastine hates Luscinia

[autumn turret]

that would make sense...

[merry night]

please

[supple dagger]

He secretly likes her tho according to Acrithis

[supple dagger]

Very spooky indeed

[merry night]

bruh we just want to do a quiz

[merry night]

bro please

[balmy storm]

Where are the finger bones 👁️

[sour saddle]

That's not creepy at all...no sir...

[supple dagger]

That’s honestly the best tablet imo

[orchid remnant]

my favorite one is about the tea

it's pretty relatable

[obtuse gyro]

Huh, kullervo's crimes do seem to indicate that he's managed to hold over from the original batch

[prisma fractal]

I found out that beneath Kullervo prison there's a room with stuff in it but it's locked behind gates. How do I open the gate or gain acces? Wish I had acces to my xbox to get the screenshot that i made of the place.

You can find it by going to Kullervo hold and follow the white black marker if you don't know what I mean

[wicked iron]

The same way you open Archarbor. You have to find statue busts and make them face the correct direction. 🙂

[prisma fractal]

Just got in the room beneath warden but it seemed it contained nothing.....

[river willow]

what game mode are you in?

if you're in the Kullervo's hold or lone story mode then nothing appears

[prisma fractal]

lone store

Ah ok

[kindred briar]

is this normal? feels like there's a bit too much static

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, that's 1000% normal

[wicked iron]

The heck. O_o

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not seeing any grineer shotguns in that image

[opal rapids]

What is this, a Captcha?

[opal rapids]

In exploration you get a somachord tone and a tablet of funni answer.

[near rune]

So I've compiled a list of 30 Zariman quiz tablets but I've only found 27 of them in the wild. I'm missing these three:
-Why is Bombastine the most dangerous Courtier?
-What should public architecture celebrate?
-What should one never do during a Serving of the Bitter Tea?
Does anyone know where I can find these three tablets?

[supple dagger]

Bombastine one is here on the map

[supple dagger]

Bitter tea is in this house

[supple dagger]

And the architecture one is left of the castle

[near rune]

Thank you! I scoured the Netherbarrow because I was sure there was going to be more than 1 there and I guess I was right.

[supple dagger]

Yea that one’s tricky to find

Only reason I found it was cause I remember a lore fragment being in that house

[near rune]

And do you know where the Bombastine question is?

[supple dagger]

Oh It’s above the other one. I just forgot to reply to you, @near rune

[near rune]

Ah ty

[supple dagger]

Mhm np

[spring stratus]

._.

[scarlet basalt]

DE literally messed up
A lot more for people who seek out lore/quest

[wicked iron]

What did DE mess up?

[scarlet basalt]

The literal next quest's name 💀

[near rune]

What next quest?

[scarlet basalt]

Something called "||The kalymos sequence"||

[near rune]

Wait what? Where are you seeing this?

[scarlet basalt]

r/warframe
A problem from IOS warframe

[near rune]

whaaaaaaaaaaaat

I don't know if the name of a quest has ever been leaked like this before

[scarlet basalt]

This also mean that maybe there is a quest just after this update lol.
Which is way more interesting with current focus from albretch rn

[near rune]

Yes. The cat is suddenly relevant haha

[scarlet basalt]

Wait who's ||kalymos|| ?

[near rune]

It's ||Albrecht Entrati's kavat||

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh minion will delete this message because it wasn't supposed to leak but somehow they messed up rip.

[wicked iron]

I can see the headlines now:

Kavat becomes greatest scientist known to help us find its master, Albrecht. Simaris, Suda, Yonta, and others look on in shame as Kavat becomes Origin System leader in all things science in pursuit of its master.

[scarlet basalt]

HUH THIS IS GOING WILD LOL

[near rune]

It's like the episode of Gravity Falls where the pet pig becomes sentient and a genius and is voiced by Neil DeGrasse Tyson

[wicked iron]

Never seen that show. XD

[wooden plank]

anyone has a list of all the quiz tablets from duviri paradox? found 4 atm , wonder how many are there and what are they for

[near rune]

I've got a list of 30, think it's all of them.

[wooden plank]

well that's a lot
any idea what are they for?

[scarlet basalt]

i think it's MITW literally taunting you lol
He like to mess up with us
And i think he is also talking with other requiem speech ?

[wooden plank]

that is a good explanation but
im very unsure its that simple

[scarlet basalt]

when you get the right answer i think he say some requiem words or just laugh, like dude is just so weird but whatever

[near rune]

I don't think they're "for" anything. Just cool worldbuilding tidbits. You don't get any reward for answering them so far as I can tell.

[scarlet basalt]

Weird now that the wall is also called "Wall of bones"

[wooden plank]

hrm
in any case
mind sending me the list trough a dms when you'll be able to? would appreciate. besides that ill keep looking as i roam around duviri in case there might be any ones we passed by by accident

[scarlet basalt]

It's just that it doesn't really fit, but current vor speech and i think some quizz tablet talk about him that he is a "wall of bones"
Which doesn't really make sense in my head, unless he will have other literal phrase for him.
Ordan karris is the only dude that is talking about bones (beast of bones), it would be crazy if somehow ordis is going to be linked (which i hope not)

[wooden plank]

stupid AND wild take but
imagine if they're somehow relatives or like idk, ordis created MITW in his past life somehow.
that would be absolutely bonkers.

[scarlet basalt]

Nope
Sythel actually said that it started because of Albretch and his expedition on the void that went bad.
We don't know if she is saying the truth be she said that she has created him, but maybe people would tend to say that he may have "liberated" him in a sense that it allowed the void to finally have their mix of crazy properties

[wooden plank]

ah
still,
im interested to see what this all means
hope we'll get sme answers soon-ish

[near rune]

Sent

[pseudo willow]

What do you guys think of “the walls other face”

[nova harness]

It has another face?

[scarlet basalt]

De stated that mitw has multiple form,maybe it's that ?
But other face isn't coherent to what I say, so maybe it has to do with how he seems to "consume"people ? Example : rell (unless if rell was just vaporized until coh)

[nova harness]

I think they are referring to the other side of his wall form kinda like how Living Tribunal from Marvel has different Faces

[scarlet basalt]

Ohh yeah you are right

[nova harness]

I don’t think it has a face on the other side of his wall but we never got to see

It’s a grey area

[prime lantern]

I think a combination of de teasing upcoming stuff and wally being pissed at us

[wooden plank]

...huh
i just realised
Citel sees MITW right before transforming into an orowyrm
"why do i hear voices in my head when i look at you" and "why are your eyes like that" really give it off since as we know MITW can mimic the operator's appearence with the only difference being the nightmare eyes

[zenith jacinth]

Galaxy eyes

[wooden plank]

yeah
those..whatever the f they are

[nova harness]

I still wonder why he’s called the lidless eye when it has eye lids

[supple dagger]

Possibly foreshadowing Albrecht Entrati arriving sooner than we think??

[scarlet basalt]

well his cat

But the word sequence make me weird...
Like wdym

[zenith jacinth]

Have you ever seen him blink?

[supple dagger]

When you’re in a Void Storm the outer areas are shaped like an eye so that could be one reason

[nova harness]

I have

[manic lichen]

because his eyes are different.

[nova harness]

He still blinks

And has eye lids

Lidless eye is a lie

Just when he blinks his face closes

[manic lichen]

hes also called "That which bears no name"

along with man in the wall

few others i dont remember

bro needs a real name

[scarlet basalt]

Let him be nameless
He want to be special

[manic lichen]

heard him being called the Chaos God.

corssing my fingers that the next update takes us to Tau or more to do with Wally

[prime lantern]

Why would we go to tau

[scarlet basalt]

To kill people

[prime lantern]

There's no people in tau

[scarlet basalt]

Erra mentioned "Tau's lord" which could imply that they still reside in Tau and weren't part of TNW
Only Perghasa/erra's fleet went into the solar system, it's unknown if there is no one in Tau

[prime lantern]

Those arnt people

[scarlet basalt]

My guess is that DE will play with the unknown to decide if we go to tau or not.
Most likely Tau will have a gameplay smilar to drifter as they surely developed a lot of technologies against transference (murex event)

Wait if they aren't people, killing them mean that it's not murder

[pseudo willow]

I have a theory that sentients due to their weaknesses can see the void and interact with it in more ways than just as a poison

[prime lantern]

And also the sentients in tau are stuck in tau

They're not coming to the system so we have no reason to face them

[pseudo willow]

Unless narmer tries something

Or hunhow

[prime lantern]

They really don't have any cards to play

[pseudo willow]

Yeah I know they’re lose ends

[prime lantern]

They're only way for mftl travel is the void

So They're gonna have wait 11.3 light years for the tau sentients to arrive the long way

[scarlet basalt]

ngl i expect that if we go to tau, it means that we may get quest that will require us to kill archons and stop anti transference tower or something like that.
But that also mean that they know that sentients will be in great danger and will have to flee as they don't want to face the void.

[nova harness]

I still wonder how Sentients are fine going through the Void thought it was a weakness

[balmy storm]

Tau def won’t be the next update, we’re in a void arch, the next big things will probably relate to the void

[balmy storm]

If they go through they can’t reproduce

[pseudo willow]

They just have to not touch it directly

[steady gate]

The travel sterilizes them.

[balmy storm]

They aren’t “fine” they’re sterile, which is horrible for sentients since they seem so family oriented

[pseudo willow]

Rebecca said the plot will go both ways

[velvet wing]

Prediction Tennocon will be revealing the Wally content we’ve been looking for

[scarlet basalt]

What does it mean "both way" i genuinly don't know what she meant by that 😮

[steady gate]

Actively remaining in the void after causes decay, shown in Octavia’s Anthem.

[balmy storm]

True, but we have no reason to go to tau and we’d have to solve our void travel issues before we can go to tau
It would be too risky to go to tau with our void bound problems
If anything we’re gonna deal with Narmer more which could eventually lead to Tau, but that’ll probably be a while

[pseudo willow]

She said we’ll see both post new war related narmer content and void/Wally content

[nova harness]

Seeing post New War content doesn’t necessarily mean Tau

[scarlet basalt]

That sound great, i wonder how the pace is going to be.
But it kinda ask me if they're going to do other things, like Grineer,corpus,Infested content 🤔

[balmy storm]

I could see Pazuul trying to get to Tau or sending a probe or something but depending on how fast that is it’s gonna take a while without void travel
And it would probably be more damaging to him if he went to Tau

[pseudo willow]

Idk I doubt hunhow will just sit for another thousand years and erra has DID

[nova harness]

We already saw post NW Narmer content

[balmy storm]

We know infested liches are coming eventually

[scarlet basalt]

he will get obliterated by his own people LOL

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t mean tau tho

[balmy storm]

Yeah probably tbh

[pseudo willow]

Doesn’t doesn’t mean tau!

[balmy storm]

We have no idea if the lords of tau would even approve of Narmer

[nova harness]

And Veilbreaker was post New War Narmer content

[balmy storm]

I would not get your hopes up for Tau anytime soon, it would be a BIG update

[pseudo willow]

Apparently lotus refers to the archons as a separate people that hate both bios and sentients

[prime lantern]

Hunhow is begrudging ally

[pseudo willow]

OMG Frenemies!!!

[balmy storm]

I could see it potentially being next tennocon but it really depends on what happens, how much more post NW and Narmer content we see, etc

[opal rapids]

I feel like we'd have massive solar rail collaborative content a la how we had to build our rail jack to even access a Tau content

[pseudo willow]

She said that after veilbreaker if I remember correctly

[balmy storm]

Which then brings us back to why we would go to Tau
Presently we have no reason other than the player base wanting to go there

[scarlet basalt]

killing people
That's literally the only reason

[balmy storm]

Which is def reason enough but I’m sure they’d rather work it into the story
I’d rather that too, better to make sense than to just do it hastily

[nova harness]

Unless someone there was threatening the Origin System there isn’t much need

[balmy storm]

But why?
They aren’t a threat and we aren’t presently a threat to them, Tau shouldn’t even care about the origin system anymore.

[nova harness]

Oh so what we can do in Origin System

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl because we like that,so maybe 😔

[balmy storm]

We aren’t just murderers for murder sake, we have reason and purpose for what we do, for what the Tenno do.

[pseudo willow]

What if narmer is a threat to them since narmer seems to have separated itself from the sentients

[balmy storm]

No, we have no reason to go.

[pseudo willow]

But like in an annoying I want you as a side kick type of way

[balmy storm]

Then we should side with Tau to annihilate Narmer, maybe we can live in relative peace with sentients for once :p

[nova harness]

Unless Tau was threatening the Origin system the Tenno could care less

[pseudo willow]

Yes I like that but there’d still have to be something dying because content

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe killing the corpus that has a family to feed off and needed to go in debt so they can live in a capitalistic dystopia isn't the solution

[balmy storm]

Plus who knows how powerful Tau has become, if peace is an option with them we should take it
We have enough war on our plate with the Grineer, Corpus and Infested, not to mention the void.

[nova harness]

Tau could be pretty peaceful

[balmy storm]

I’d rather Narmer die

[prime lantern]

~~nova missiles ~~

[nova harness]

Starting a war for nothing is stupid

[balmy storm]

^

And Tau probably knows that too

[pseudo willow]

I just want a sentient tileset on a planets surface

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl tau sound like the worst idea for a tenno.
They surely have anti transference structure but in a planetary scale 💀
Like they surely know that one day or not tenno will go, and as they don't know our motives they are scared of the void devilry

[pseudo willow]

(And maybe the final open world)

[nova harness]

Archon hunt

[pseudo willow]

That doesn’t count that’s narmer

[balmy storm]

I doubt they have anti transference anything since they have no transference based threats.

[nova harness]

And Narmer is a Sentient faction

[scarlet basalt]

True, but that doesn't mean they won't take their precaution to think that it will never happends.

[pseudo willow]

No narmer is narmer

[balmy storm]

I’m all for the war in warframe, but if peace is an option with any faction, I’ll take it
Especially if it’s the sentients

I’d rather we be allies with Tau, maybe we go there to help solve some of their problems

[pseudo willow]

Sentient civil war!!!!

Or aliens!!!!

[balmy storm]

Exactly what I was thinking tbh

[nova harness]

There’s no Peace without War

[balmy storm]

Aliens is unlikely tbh, most alien thing is the void

[scarlet basalt]

That could sound arrogant not taking measure that could avoid killing their entire species
Like, it for me it would make sense to always have safe measure against potential threat and not play by the "oh it will never happends, i'm sure"

[nova harness]

Tenno knows this so try and end War

[pseudo willow]

I know I actually don’t really want aliens in warframe unless their from the void and inorganic looking

It makes the game more unique

[steady gate]

The only reason the Sentients HERE had anti transference was Natah telling them how to make it

[balmy storm]

If Tau wants to start a fight with us for no reason then they’re incredibly stupid, whether or not we’re a threat to them is irrelevant since we’re lightyears away
That’s like defending against a black hole 2 galaxies away

[scarlet basalt]

I think they would rather move the entire planet before we go LOL
Would be crazy, but not really since sentient are...Wow they're hardworking

[balmy storm]

I would love to see more void-made horrors tbh, maybe Tau is under siege from something like that and due to their weakness they require the Tenno’s assistance
I’d answer that call any day

[balmy storm]

Planets*

[scarlet basalt]

Yep, since we don't know if they can communicate through tau/sol system, it's safe to assume that if one day we're going to tau, we may have some interesting gameplay going on 👀

[nova harness]

The only reason I could think for Tau being added is for more RJ content since Veil Proxima seems to be on the way to Tau

[pseudo willow]

Void ophanim would work well considering the void’s geometry

And maybe orokin towers whose meat became corrupted and evolved into a weird semi-ethereal creature

[steady gate]

We are told during Archon hunts that nobody (including Sentients) has seen or heard anything from Tau in a long time

[balmy storm]

We already have angels, I’d love to see more biblically accurate void terrors

[balmy storm]

I’d rather infested RJ before Tau RJ

[nova harness]

Agreed

But that still seems like the only reason to add Tau

[pseudo willow]

Infested RJ would be interesting especially if we get to see derelicts from the outside and maybe infested sentients finally

[vagrant sorrel]

If they go full cosmic Horror for Tau, I'd be all for it. They could do some interesting things with those sentients that no doubt stayed behind and whatever Void influences might have crept into supposed paradise.

[balmy storm]

Anytime else remember the infested RJ concept art?

[scarlet basalt]

It would make sense that maybe a situation like that could happends (if we think there are people in tau's system):
Erra/Pazuul Pleads the tenno to save Tau system as he get some intel that took years to reach erra that some void stormopened because of Perghasa's void travel.
As Natah still has feelings for Tau and their new "homeworld" she would beg the tenno to save them. Making an alliance for some time to fight the cosmic horror that is beyond our solar system.

[scarlet basalt]

Wait are we, i'm going to check that really quick

[steady gate]

It’s either the Amar or Boreal assassination that says it

[scarlet basalt]

"none have seen tau in centuries" it means that no one went to tau in centuries, like 500 years ?

[pseudo willow]

So basically the sentients got there but are being isolationist

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah they could be praticing isolationist
I said 500 years bcz it was the time there was the old war...
Wait it also mean, oh god the twin kuva sisters could be very old 💀

[near rune]

It's been millennia since the Old War. "Centuries" fits into that time span as well.

[steady gate]

“Nor heard it speak”.
they’re getting nothing from Tau either

[balmy storm]

There are sentients in the tau system, no people

[pseudo willow]

Damnit tau is so mysterious I wanna see it so badly!

[scarlet basalt]

Tau is in a mysterious state wth
I thought that it would be clear but no 😮

Ngl i thought for a moment that maybe Tau got swallowed by a void storm after perghasa use a void travel to go to sol

[vagrant sorrel]

You mean the Open World bit? I remember steve talking about the RJ Open World with rotating microplanets in a sort of infested 'web' in space.

Given the tech they added with Duviri and the fact we almost have it confirmed that next year will have some infested content, I'd actually love to see them realise that vision.

[balmy storm]

I think so yeah, I just remember the tiny lil railjack floatin through giant infested masses and webs

[pseudo willow]

The green boils

[scarlet basalt]

OHH yeah they've talked about planetoids.
I think...
OH but it would make so much sense to have that after arlo's raid on every planets
Like what if the infested just went crazy and make their own planets 😭

[near rune]

Oh I'm missing one more: "What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?"
Do you know where this one is?

[scarlet basalt]

"My father severed the worlds, sundered the link we had forged with Tau, in the days of our enslavement. In the darkness beyond the Veil, we waited. The lords of Tau were silent."
That's one of the craziest line, i wouldn't expect that Tau/sentients will use any hierarchy but somehow they do ???

[vagrant sorrel]

Yeah, for a while I thought it just ended up turning into Deimos, but the concept seemed to unique to just fold it into a more conventional open world. Also given that the Infested seem to fear the void to some degree (+The Zealoids being a potential infested faction with more individuality than the usual hivemind), they're kinda bound to play a bigger role in the unfolding five years of MitW-Plot.

[near rune]

*shrug* why wouldn't they use a hierarchy? they had two of them that were in charge (Hunhow and Praghasa), and they made Sentients to be in charge of other Sentients.

[scarlet basalt]

true, but could be greater than hunhow and praghasa is...New

[near rune]

Praghasa isn't new. She's literally the first Sentient.

[scarlet basalt]

i meant that if she isn't a tau's lord, who are those people ? Aliens ? 😮

[near rune]

They're Sentients. Machines created by the Orokin.

[vagrant sorrel]

Given that this is Pazuul's Propaganda, I'm certain the Archons just took charge of Narmer and placed themself above in their retelling of it all - Though they no doubt intend this to be the outcome, if it's not already so. It's established that they're mad at the other sentients because of what Erra did to them. They definitely had a hierarchy before that, given that Hunhow and Erra were basically War Leaders, but not like this.

What I'm curious about is how many potential other sentients we're gonna get. We got the one on earth who's sorta getting a hang of actually reviving itself if Mask of the Revenant was anything to go by (Not to mention that Narmer has the means to resurrect it), but there might be more. With how nebulous some of the sentient lore as a faction is, they got an endless supply of potential characters to pull from.

[vagrant sorrel]

Lords of Tau just refers to the Archons. They placed themselves above regular sentients as revenge for being turned into the hybrids they are now.

[near rune]

Well, the Lotus also talks about the Beasts as being leaders back in Tau. It's not all propaganda.

[prime lantern]

I doubt unum is going to let narmer revive the mother edilion

[vagrant sorrel]

That's not exactly confirmed, since we never really got anything detailed, but it is likely that Hunhow and Praghasa were the very first two fragmentations, probably those two from the old synthesis entry during Perintol's interrogation.

[scarlet basalt]

Wasn't there also a discontinued spider enemy from the sentient ? Maybe they will also use this as a future enemy, which would make sense.
I think that yeah they have a lot more potential .

[vagrant sorrel]

Not sure the Unum nor the system is in much of a state to stop that if it happens.

[prime lantern]

Why

Unum frozen time upon being reactivated

[supple dagger]

Pretty sure that one isn’t one unless there’s a 31st one

[vagrant sorrel]

Not sentient per se. We got the third orb mother and it's pretty much confirmed that Narmer is planning something with it. We also got a weird version of the Ropalolyst fused with Unum Towermeat teased during mask of the revenant. So there's a lot of potential.

[prime lantern]

I'm not entirely sure on the physics of freezing time but she froze time

[near rune]

You're right, it's not confirmed, but all dialogue from Lotus and Pazuul indicate that Hunhow and Praghasa were the first two Sentients, the father and mother of all others, that were sent out to Tau. It's also discussed in the 2017 TennoCon art panel.

[prime lantern]

And given unums defensive systems the sentients only real method of attacking her Is my personal favorite kinetic bombardment

Aka dropping bricks from orbit

[scarlet basalt]

wait, there was. I thought it was only the ropalolyst 😮 But yeah there was also a mention of a very big flying sentient that loomed on the plain.
But i thought that that thing was sent to Jupiter's background lol

[vagrant sorrel]

We still have no idea how her powers actually work and it didn't seem like she could just do that indefinitely and probably just around the tower. If she was powerful enough to take on the mega-sentient herself she wouldn't have needed Gara's Help in the lore. The tower can't really do much. It couldn't stop a murex from crushing into it (Though it seems heavily implied that she specifically allowed that to happen - Details are hazy on some of this.)

[prime lantern]

I mean it didn't particularly need gara

The unum just doesn't have hands

Someone needed to get the bomb close to the edilion

Gara was fast and strong enough to do that

[vagrant sorrel]

Given that we know Natah was the youngest and Erra can't have been that old, compared to the Archons who were no doubt some of the first creations according to Narmer Propaganda, bringing the Big one back to life would make sense - As that one would have a straightforward personal motivation against us, the system and earth in particular and could make for a pretty solid major Sentient antagonist.

[vagrant sorrel]

That's the thing. There wasn't anyone else that could have done it. Any Dax would have been blasted. Gara herself practically had to sacrifice herself to make it work. That thing was so massive it overshadowed the entire plains. (Which makes the lore about it hiding from daylight almost funny since that massive sentient apparently played hide and seek around Earth's surface to avoid the sun.)

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, it would make sense, but i do wonder how much archon's shard erra would need to fully revive a sentient this size 😮

[prime lantern]

Right the unum didn't lack power it lacked a set of arms and legs

It wasn't too weak it just couldn't

[scarlet basalt]

maybe they didn't like daylight 😔
And live only from the night like their life in space

[prime lantern]

If parvos granum can level a city for 4 warframes

I imagine unum could much much more

[vagrant sorrel]

Probably more than enough to actually give any of the other Archons their full bodies back lol

I do like the idea of Archons having to hybridise with something if they don't have enough anti-entropic radiation from the shards. Like Tower meat....Or broken condrixes and murex bits that are conveniently lying around everywhere now

[vagrant sorrel]

He didn't level a city. He blew up his lab and the Warframe Strike team sent there to shut down the operation. Still impressive given that killing warframes isn't an easy feat in the lore...and Parvos just does it casually, but it's not on that scale.

[prime lantern]

2 megatons

A 2 megaton explosive

That's what he detonated

For 4 warframes

[scarlet basalt]

They said that murex should be in an unbroken state when there was an archon, but they discontinued the idea and didn't remove the murex.
It could also mean maybe a tweaking for a potential scarlet spear rework (which was a literal hell for devs lol)

[prime lantern]

The bomb that Hiroshima was 15 kilotons

That's 15000 tons
Granum dropped 2000000 tons

[vagrant sorrel]

Pretty sure it might be due to the voidjump. If it was that big, no doubt it also got a bunch of void radiation during the jump, even if Praghasa ate most of it. That must have left a mark. It's pretty much certain that the Plains-Sentient was actively hurt by Daylight and hoped to cure itself using the Tower's Templekuva...a ressource that Narmer actually possesses still, no doubt.

I'd be sorely disappointed if DE doesn't pick that plotthread back up again.

They gave us Lore for specters, made Onkko's rambling make sense and even canonised failed Defense missions as of Duviri. At this point I'll never say never.

[prime lantern]

Why would narmer have the temple kuva

[scarlet basalt]

god, in a way this is so sad for the big sentient.
Like dude just wanted to heal itself so it doesn't get burned by the sun's radiation

[prime lantern]

Unum could've just hid it

[vagrant sorrel]

I know why they dropped it, but I really hope they re-do the core idea behind scarlet spear as a sort of lategame invasion event that happens every now and then. Anything that makes Narmer more tangible on the starchart is a welcome addition in my book.

[vagrant sorrel]

Honestly a lot of sentient lore is depressing. In the end they realised the Orokin were monsters. They were slaves, created to colonise worlds that the pompous golden lords could ruin like they had done to their homeworlds. The Old War happened because they broke free of their chains and wanted to set things right. They just went....a bit overzealous (Though it is clear that Hunhow, at some point, went behind his people's backs to stop the original plan of blasting the solar system to bits. By the time of New War he even seems to have mellowed a bit, having realised that there's more layers to humanity than just 'Orokin'.)

[nova harness]

What about New War

You’d think they’d learn

[scarlet basalt]

It would be a very good plot : Currently naarmer is a way for people to "get out" of the constant war,fear,anxiety of what's happening.
Corpus family getting thousands of announce of warframe/infested/grineer raiding spaceships which maybe have their son,dads,sister,etc...
Grineer who thought that maybe they will have a consciousness of free will through naarmer
Cetus/Fortuna peeps who thought they could escape war, but at the end they're the victim.
It's so...Sad, like erra is saying to us that the veil allow people to escape the current world (i think) for their deep desire to be true...
But if they also add tragic stories to "help" gigantic sentients so they can reach finally being at peace. They may not be angry at the end and could be peaceful one maybe.
They have very interesting plot to talk

[vagrant sorrel]

Considering that most sentients are either dead or asleep, that is entirely on Ballas and Erra. The former is a manipulative parasitic weasel, the latter a rebellious teenager with a hat of dreams bigger than his head. And on top of that you've got the Archons who actively despise not just humanity but their own former kin too. That was always going to be a cocktail for disaster. A lot of the minor sentients are either just drones, extensions of the larger whole, or in the best of cases do have personality, etc. (The Aerolysts and Condrixes in particular seem to possess a lot more personality for example), but are in no position to actually make an impact.

[vagrant sorrel]

It's less about learning and more about the fact that the old war didn't end like most had planned, and the War, old and new, was (at least for the sentients) about a very emotional and personal conflict that spanned literally hundreds to thousands of years at this point. That isn't something you just step away from. Especially not if you're immortal with a solidified grudge to settle.

[vagrant sorrel]

I really hope they expand on the veils and Narmer hierarchy a little. I think it could be a really powerful shake-up if some former Corpus or Grineer characters show up as Narmer leaders down the line. Alad is unlikely since he most likely got blasted to bits along Veso, but I'm still holding out for him to return in the form of perfect irony: As an amalgam.

Sargas on the Grineer side could be perfect as they could do a really personal storyline with him, Cressa and even Kahl if they wanted to.

Narmer-Tengus could also be amazing but at this point I've basically given up hope we'll ever see the good doctor make an appearance in-game.

[prime lantern]

Alad v has escaped death multiple times

And we already had a powerful "grineer" unit on narmers team

The wolf

All clad out in grineer armors

[vagrant sorrel]

To be fair, yes. But the fact that Rebb went out there to straight up state that Veso died paired with Alad being on the same ship makes me think he might be gone for good or at least the foreseeable future.

[prime lantern]

Why would alad have been on the same ship

There were dozens of ships in the armada

And alad could've gotten on an escape pod and controlled the fleet Remotely

[wild wind]

That's definitely what happened, Salad was nowhere near the capital ship

[vagrant sorrel]

To be fair, yes. But in case of Sargas I think I'd prefer it less as a dynamic of chained servant and slaver, but more of him...actually buying into the Narmer Propaganda. At least in older lore he cared about order, structure and the wellbeing and discipline of his soldiers to a degree. Vor had inner conflicts about Grineer society according to the comic, Sargas would be a prime candidate for a similar plotline - Pair that with Narmer's promises of freedom and security and how it turns your brain inside out to twist and gaslight your perception - Boom, quest ahoy.

[wild wind]

Personally I don't think any currently used bosses are going to end up in Narmer, because those nodes are still active.

[prime lantern]

I also think de needs to make new threats

[wild wind]

.....but that doesn't apply to lore characters who aren't bosses. Sargas Ruk is always going to be running his artifact theft ring on Saturn, but Dr. Tengus could absolutely show up under Narmer.

[prime lantern]

Because we kicked those bosses before how would slapping the oculus quest 27 on there forehead make me not demolish them

[scarlet basalt]

tbh they can naarmer some boss but their nodes will have i guess a second node in which their naarmerified.
But i doubt they will do that because it also mean that they have to do more tweakings to enemies and i don't think it's their main priority.
The future orb mother is naarmered but since it wasn't released from the start, they don't need to do anything apart from the boss fight lol

[vagrant sorrel]

We do not have a confirmation either way, but I consider it likely Alad was on that ship. Why would he have been so adamant about this ship in particular relinquishing controls if he could have pushed any other ship to do the same? He had fallen from grace among the board so his influence was diminished. Parvos was definitely not letting him command an entire subsection of the fleet.

On top of that he is understandably stressed during that segment and always talks about the sentients paying the ship a visit during that 'power-transfer' as if he would be there himself to greet them.

It's not unlikely that he was somewhere else but the way those scenes were written and presented would feel super dissonant if he wasn't on-board.

[wild wind]

Because his capital ship was the one that had the master controls built into it

Just because he wasn't there doesn't make it the most important ship in the fleet

[vagrant sorrel]

Don't think that's gonna be an issue. We got Ropalolyst, Alad and Mutalist Alad all on the same starchart. It's not like destiny where you have an evolving world formula going. Warframe's plot is linear and in layers. That has never been an issue. (We can fight corrupted Vor in the Void and OG-Vor on Mercury too for example.)

[wild wind]

Also, Parvos doesn't run the Corpus, that was the entire point of that quest

Keeping him in the Granum Void prevents him from reuniting the Corpus, since Corpus infighting is the only reason they don't smash down the rest of the system.

[vagrant sorrel]

He doesn't run them. But his return made it clear that he controls a major part of board and faction again, why else would all Railjack encounters with them focus on Parvos' interests? He might not have a hold over the entire faction, but he's back at the wheel as of Sisters of Parvos.

[vagrant sorrel]

But - He isn't in there anymore. He is free. That was Deadlock Protocol's conclusion

[wild wind]

Nope

He's still locked up. Go watch the sisters of parvos intro.

[zenith jacinth]

Or the ending of the cott quest

[wild wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youngkcplww

The Sisters of Parvos are his vector to reestablish control over the Corpus.

[prime lantern]

And us

[nova harness]

He made a mini Corpus in the Void

[vagrant sorrel]

That sequence can be interpreted in...a lot of ways because it is somewhat 'trippy'. Deadlock Protocl made it very very apparent, that Parvos flees the timeprison by manipulating us, Vox Solaris and Nef into doing his bidding. Just having him be locked up again would invalidate his message at the end of the quest, all his actions during the quest and literally all his ambitions post-quest.

He definitely still uses it as a sort of purgatory as we can see in Call of the Tempestarii, but he is certainly free in some capacity, otherwise all of those plotlines would have been completely useless as they end up right where they start!

[prime lantern]

If we didn't keep destroying there
Razorbacks
Zanukas
The squad (hyekas)
The giant ospreys
And countless other machines

[wild wind]

Yeah, a unified Corpus is a threat on par with a second Sentient incursion or the Wall of Lohk coming down.

[vagrant sorrel]

Because he can't trust the established board, since the old one nearly killed him the last time. Not once does he actually state in any way that he is help- or powerless in realspace.

[prime lantern]

We should just turn nova into a missile

[wild wind]

That's correct. That's what the Tenno are TRYING to do. We're not actively fixing the system, we're holding it in stasis.

[prime lantern]

Yea we can't exactly fix the system alone

We've got overwhelming pound for pound firepower but

[vagrant sorrel]

That is...a massive stretch given the fact that unified grineer and corpus got the behinds handed to them by the Sentient fleet and Narmer - Not to mention that we cannot begin to gauge the full potential and power of the Man in the Wall .

I'd suggest calming down on the 'absolute' statements on stuff that is mostly conjecture in regards to the lore.

There is a lot we do not know for certain.

[prime lantern]

The grineer and corpus have never been unified there's always infighting

[prime lantern]

We've got a helluva lot less pounds than they do

[graceful zodiac]

A unified Corpus is dangerous because it mean there's no skating under the radar anymore by small groups. They still are stuck warring with the Grineer, it just gets harder to live under them

[vagrant sorrel]

There is nothing in any of those quests that actually suggests us stopping Parvos though. The only time he actually gets mad is when we kill some of the sisters, but apart from that he hasn't exactly faced any major setbacks since his return, which is a confirmed plotpoint.

[wild wind]

Like we saw with the Tau space battle, the Corpus weren't united. We saw Alad V stab everyone in the back, how many other board members held back resources?

[vagrant sorrel]

I was referring specifically to the alliance of convenience at the beginning of new war, were combined forces of Grineer, Corpus and Tenno were not enough to beat back the armada. A unified corpus are not even remotely on par with that sort of threat.

[prime lantern]

That was a single fleet

[graceful zodiac]

We have no idea about the details of the last battle of Act 1

[vagrant sorrel]

Even if they didn't, Praghasa turned every ship in range into mincemeat anyways.

[prime lantern]

Hell even the grineer possess canmons that can wipe city's off a planet from orbit

[vagrant sorrel]

Ultimately narmer won the war through the Veils and indoctrination, but the Sentient armada was demonstrated to possess the firepower to win via brute force.

[prime lantern]

Imagine what the Corpus have

[vagrant sorrel]

Expensive Artillery that can be easily dismantled by operatives behind enemy lines (A strategy sentient mimics excel at btw.) as missions in game have shown time and time again.

[wild wind]

Narmer won the New War through turning the factions against themselves.

[prime lantern]

They could have antimatter generators bombs hundreds of time stronger than even the tsar bomba

[nova harness]

I still wonder how we lost the New War to begin with but Won the Old War what changed?

[prime lantern]

Ballas

[wild wind]

The Orokin were a united faction.

[prime lantern]

Somehow did something to the tenno

[graceful zodiac]

The Old War was a trick that didn't get through

It had nothing to do with united factions

[prime lantern]

That get dismantled by warframes

[wild wind]

Also, the Sentients cut a deal with Ballas that had them scatter and pretend to lose while the Lotus turned the Tenno against the Orokin.

[prime lantern]

Not much in the system can go to toe to toe with a warframe

[wild wind]

The idea was that the Tenno would go to sleep and then the Lotus would fire the kill order for the Sentients to come back.

[graceful zodiac]

In a 1v1 and small groups, yes

[prime lantern]

Considering our fists have an impact force of 50 tons

[wild wind]

But instead she screwed Ballas over by shoving Lua into the void.

[prime lantern]

We see volt and excalibur dispatch an entire grineer assault team very easily

[wild wind]

Oh sure but that matters to the Grineer less than us going down once in a mission.

[prime lantern]

We're very good at a game of attrition

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, 1v1 and small groups, up to sizes like battalions

[wild wind]

Both the major factions control economic resources of half the solar system plus a little extra.

[prime lantern]

We also regularly assault fortified strongholds of both factions

[graceful zodiac]

Which doesn't mean much to either faction, they have numbers to spare

[wild wind]

The tenno all combined control maybe a single planet of economic resources

[wild wind]

(the nodes are actually weak spots that neither faction can fortify enough to keep us out of, that they also can't give up on)

[graceful zodiac]

The only one that counts for that is the Kuva Fortress, that only because we got invited, and we still don't do any supremely lasting damage

[nova harness]

The only thing the Tenno control is a Dojo and a Ship/Camp

[wild wind]

Yeah, the Tenno aren't making it back to the Kuva Fortress's throne room, and we've never touched the Corpus's capital city

[prime lantern]

"I'm going to store sensitive and valuable data in an unfortied and easily breached location"

[wild wind]

But not the most sensitive and valuable data.

[vagrant sorrel]

The inevitable downside of networked tech - You're gonna have vulnerable backdoors if you possess a digital infrastructure that is worth a credit or two.

[wild wind]

We're making surgical strikes to disrupt their ability to ruin the other faction/roll over the Origin System

[vagrant sorrel]

That's the old lore and reasoning for most missions. The goalposts have shifted a lot with time and progressing narrative. The Zariman-Cycles for example are a far more personal undertaking.

[prime lantern]

Store it all near the city

[wild wind]

Oh absolutely, the Zariman is a whole separate ballgame.

That's personal, but also we don't want them establishing a foothold on it ever.

[prime lantern]

Yea we definitely don't want them getting access to void energys

[nova harness]

Tenno holding the Zariman is dependant

[wild wind]

and we're kinda not succeeding because the Zariman is the single biggest prize ever

[graceful zodiac]

They already have Void Tech, we don't want them to get proper Orokin tech

[prime lantern]

Given its theoretically infinite and uncalcuable energy output them having access to unregulated void energies is bad

What "proper" orokin tech would be on the zariman

Not weapons

[vagrant sorrel]

It's less that (Though that definitely plays a factor) and more that mere proximity to the Reliquary is putting everyone there who doesn't have a void connection like us under the void's/Man in the Wall's control. A lot of the lines on the Zariman and in the undercroft imply or outright state this 'corruption'

[graceful zodiac]

Reliquary Drive, access to ship engineering, the turrets, terraforming tech and solar rail tech, etc.

[prime lantern]

They already have solar rails no

[vagrant sorrel]

Requiems and a lot of other more occult things related to the Reliquary and the void. The Grineer are apparently there for Kuva straight from the source whilst Parvos straight up just wants to claim the best on-site laboratory anyone could ever wish for.

[wild wind]

Not the ability to build their own though. The Zariman has that capability.

[graceful zodiac]

That they have to share. Either faction would love to be able to make their own

And the corpus would love terraforming that's not as tedious to maintain

[vagrant sorrel]

Interplanetary, yes. But it's old tech that they can't replicate. We're the only ones with reliquaries as far as current state of the lore is concerned. The Zariman is the holy grail of tech advancement for both Grineer and Corpus.

[graceful zodiac]

The Grineer would just strip everything for parts

[wild wind]

Hilariously, the Tenno dojos also have that capability, or did in the Old Days of Warframe.

[prime lantern]

Sounds like the corpus don't understand terraforming

[wild wind]

But most of the weapons we're building are "dumb" weapons that we made to fight the Sentients, instead of the Orokin's horrifyingly powerful smart weapons.

[prime lantern]

"Whats 2 + 2"
Gun: "idk 3"

I mean don't we have black hole guns

[graceful zodiac]

A small gravity well, yes

[scarlet basalt]

Let us use the common assault rifle despite not being good enough to kill robots

[wild wind]

The Conclave Way(tm)

[scarlet basalt]

Railjack has but we can't use on normal mission

[prime lantern]

Creates miniature gravitational singularities that can be used for scientific study or self-defense.

That's a singularity

[prime lantern]

Simulor

[scarlet basalt]

small scale

[prime lantern]

It's still a god dam black hole

[graceful zodiac]

That can do screw all

It only shares the most baseline property of being a point of increased gravity

[prime lantern]

A gravitational singularity, spacetime singularity or simply singularity is a condition in which gravity is predicted to be so intense that spacetime itself would break down catastrophically. As such, a singularity is by definition no longer part of the regular spacetime and cannot be determined by "where" or "when".

I think touching it is a bad idea

[graceful zodiac]

Great, Simulor has none of those properties

[prime lantern]

"This is the description"
"Nah its wrong"

[graceful zodiac]

Beyond the increased gravity

[prime lantern]

You constantly do this astia

Literally everytime you go nuh uh the description is wrong

There's absolutely no reason the description of this weapon should be wrong

[graceful zodiac]

My point has always been you never take descriptions at face value. You always look at actual performance first.

[prime lantern]

It's a Cephalon weapon made for scientific research

[zenith jacinth]

I needs it

[prime lantern]

How would they study a singularity without it first being a singularity

[graceful zodiac]

it calls it a singularity because it's a point of increased gravity. Which is in line with how it performs. That doesn't mean it can break down space time

[prime lantern]

And when you look at just performance you get grineer enemies tanking the sun

Unless wisp of course isn't actually opening a portal to the sun

And nova should be doctor Manhattaning people

[graceful zodiac]

Directly to the sun? Probably not. In the vicinity of the corona? Just as likely

[prime lantern]

upwards of 2 million degrees Fahrenheit

Are you certain about that one

Look me dead into my eyes and tell me

How in God's name does that work

It wouldn't even turn them into liquid they'd just vanish

[graceful zodiac]

The same way everything else in the game works, being able to maniuplate physics to work how you want it

[prime lantern]

Portal to the sun

Are we making the sun colder for some reasons so that the grineer stand a chance?

Why would we do that

[graceful zodiac]

Reasonably, she likely can just control the energy output and/or there's a limiter

[prime lantern]

Why would she let it become cold enough that grineer can tank it

[zenith jacinth]

So she doesn't dissolve herself

[prime lantern]

Adaptation

[graceful zodiac]

Pure safety reason, keep herself alive, make sure the Orokin can deal with it, not destroy cities, etc.

There's no reasonable conclusion for it to be a pure unrestricted portal to the sun

[prime lantern]

There's also no reason for it to be cold enough that a grineer can tank it and for it to still be a portal to the sun

I imagine all the energy used to split open a hole in space to the sun and keep it open

Could generate more heat

[scenic bane]

Does this ring any bells?

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht's cat

[jagged sable]

Shrodinger's cat.

[zenith jacinth]

...no, kalymos is the name of albrecht's cat (kavat, but essentially same thing)

[jagged sable]

No, I know Kalymos, I just knew the cat thing was a reference to Shrodinger's cat.

[rain otter]

I put my guess in lore chat I'll also put it here. My two guesses are like the Infested RJ quest like we got for Corpus Rj or a quest for the Infested that sets up a leader like deadlock protocol.

[smoky skiff]

considering its the name of albrechts kavat i think its gonna be us finally meeting the man

[graceful zodiac]

It's most likely something with Deimos

[rain otter]

Or the Infested in general. Like Deadlock protocol had the Solaris NPCs in it.

[smoky skiff]

ik its been a good chunk since we have had infested stuff. but the way the team have been moving the story forward its been very very void focused

[rain otter]

I am using my example of Infested because in the um AMA not too long ago that talked about Infested Liches being a thing but not until next year.

[smoky skiff]

if it was infested liches idk why they would restrict us needing the new war

[supple dagger]

Imagine a plot twist that was like “oh guess what guys Albrechts cat Kaylmos is actually Wally haha we got you guys there”

[smoky skiff]

if anything i'd expect heart of deimos to be the requirement for a quest centerd around infested liches

[rain otter]

For Infested Liches we would need a way to Spawn them and RJ before we even get to The Liches themselves. The Corpus got that in 2 Stages with deadlock and um the sevogoth one.

[smoky skiff]

tbf we also dont know if this is the actual next quest it might actually be something planned for another update later down the line thats pushing the story forward

[rain otter]

Counts in this being fake is that the blurred image is just the new War Image.

[smoky skiff]

only way to prove its real is for somebody on the IOS build of the game to also check. unless its been patched out

cause it apparantly comes from that

[near rune]

Don't think it's fake; [DE]Marcus responded to it being posted on reddit saying the leak would be removed in a future patch.

[reef dirge]

Has anyone mapped out the quiz questions yet? I have a feeling it has to do with this area in general because it’s a whole classroom sitting at the end of the cliff with another question there

[rain otter]

The singer is in this area

When it's not her like mood she's close to here on a stage.

[reef dirge]

Yea I’m mainly curious about all the Zaramon questions they added this update. Some even ask about Albrecht

[smoky skiff]

idk about if there is a map yet but we think that all of them have been logged which is 30 of them

as of now there doesn't seem to be actually anything for getting them unless there are more then 30 out there

[rich condor]

Confusion

Anyone else found this npc?

[supple dagger]

Yea he’s a new visitor. He also appears ontop of Dominus’s castle and infront of Albrechts grave. Pretty sure it’s Wally just leaking into Duviri

[rich condor]

Flipping || man in the wall ||

[proud cargo]

Albrecht's grave?

[supple dagger]

Yea it’s in this cave. Check it for yourself if you want

[proud cargo]

Thank you!! I'll check it out

[rain otter]

the headstone does have text on it.

[manic lichen]

does anyone know if the Dorminzone will ever become like a 2nd place for us to spawn at after a mission and go into missions

if any of the DE said anything about that.

[wild wind]

They've talked a bit about that actually. Early plans for the railjack included moving a huge chunk of the orbiter's functions into it, not just the arsenal but foundry and so on.

[manic lichen]

did they say when this would happen? if they been working on it or not. cause kinda getting bored of the orbiter.

[wild wind]

Adding the somachord to the Dormizone is a step closer to full "base camp" than the railjack ever got, so I think it's possible.

Ah no, plans to use the railjack like that were scrapped ages ago. It had arsenal access for a few years but they removed that due to complications with loading into one mission from another.

My guess is that DE's talking about this internally. They probably want to but there are a number of functions that have to be duplicated (an arsenal station is ez) or adapted (adding the Helminth might be harder)

[manic lichen]

yea true.

im just sick of the lack of room the orbiter has, and the dormizone be nice to have cause its barely used for its uses.

be nice to use it more often or even all the time

[wild wind]

Well, there's always the Drifter"s camp. Just make a shrine or a sleeping zone near the campfire.

Or heck, go crazy and build a custom obstacle course in the woodland section past the tunnel

[manic lichen]

eh

i want the dormizone lol

[wicked iron]

Yep. Love that laugh, when you run into him. 😄

[mystic urchin]

Please fix new duviry mission extraction not work if the leder left team and get host migration no ext need aburt mission just and lost droop 3 time

[nova harness]

What?

[jagged sable]

"Please fix the duviri bugs, extraction doesn't work. If the host leaves, then we get host migration. and after that we have to abort the mission. I lost my drops 3 times because of this"

Is what I think he's saying.

[manic stump]

Hey, why is corrupted vor in duviri ? he doesn't drop anything.

[nova harness]

Well he is Corrupted

Like all the other Corrupted enemies

The Undercroft draws in enemies from the raw void

[scarlet basalt]

So he drop the new name for wally
"Wall of bones" or whatever

Maybe since Wally has multiple forms, wall of bones is a form that we haven't seen ?

[manic stump]

he drops 1 rune marrow

[nova harness]

Maybe that was a joke

But I’m all for Wall of bones

[scarlet basalt]

there's where you get rune marrow

[zenith jacinth]

Which is pretty useful, rune marrow is an annoying to get resource

[slender roost]

Hey guys what is that sword Kullervo wields? I tried looking on the wiki and I couldn't find it on his page

[obtuse gyro]

Its a heavy sword skin

[slender roost]

Oh ok, I thought it was an actual weapon, good to know

[atomic lynx]

Are there any lore pieces in Kullervo’s hold? I mean the old style ones that gave intrinsics not the new blue ones.

[nova harness]

No

Theres 10 island fragments still

[slender roost]

Can the cinta be wielded by drifter and Warframe? Or is it only Warframe?

[nova harness]

Just Warframe

Drifter doesn’t even get a bow until New War

And even then after he stops using it

[prime lantern]

His 7 crimes

[nova harness]

No they mean the ones like lost islands

His 7 crimes are on blue boards

Well 6 and 2 counts

[atomic lynx]

I meant the ones which have lore that is read out by Arcthis.

[nova harness]

Yeah there’s no new Island ones

[atomic lynx]

Ah bummer, was really hoping for a more coherent lore dump than having to listen to the kids rhyme.

[orchid remnant]

it's important to listen to songs

[nova harness]

There’s a face in the sky with a great big smile so we smile right back today there’s a man in the wall with a grin like a skull so we grin right back today

[slender roost]

I know that I already completed all of the quests, I just didn't know if the Drifter could use the cinta like how the Drifter can use the other Dax weapons when obtained

[opal rapids]

So... this is our second criminal frame, right

Because Lavos.

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos was a warden

[prime lantern]

Lavos was the warden give transmutation powers because for some reason the orokin think the criminal would be immune to the jade light

[wild wind]

Lavos's teacher was Orokin Socrates and was imprisoned for his knowledge, but killing him out of hand would have been politically difficult. The man became Lavos's teacher and rehabilitated Lavos, while also teaching the Warframe stuff like transmutation.

[zenith jacinth]

It wouldn't have been politically difficult, the orokin were just scared of him possibly surviving the jade light and thus gave lavos the ability to transmute to deal with him. Not javi. The orokin gave him that ability.

[atomic lynx]

iirc Javi was such a renowned alchemist the Orokin feared he would somehow survive the jade light so his execution was changed to being pulped. Right before his execution he whispers something to Lavos who then pulps him before transmuting him into one of his snakes.

[prime lantern]

Which makes wonder how the jade light functions

[nova harness]

I wonder how being an alchemist would stop jade light I thought it killed you completely no body

[wild wind]

wouldn't be surprised if it was a tachyon beam of sometime

Nah it leaves blood behind

Ivara managed to dodge it, too

[nova harness]

How would you do alchemy if you lose an entire body though

[atomic lynx]

Maybe you do alchemy to yourself beforehand to counteract it somehow.

[supple dagger]

||i like how we get a power rangers suit for beating angles quest||

[atomic lynx]

To be fair, even the Orokin had no idea if he could do it, they just feared the possibility.

[supple dagger]

||i miss purple mother /hologram, may she rest in peace||

[nova harness]

She was a bit buggy so was took offline

[supple dagger]

tho very good quests worth the grind

for a free to play game prob one of the best storys

[nova harness]

DE also hasn’t got the biggest of teams

[supple dagger]

thy seem friendly as well able to make jokes that other companys would never do

cough the hole bug incident

[nova harness]

They care about the community

[supple dagger]

its a good one

well can be at least

when i start streaming all prob play this casually on stream

tho still have 6 more quests left to go

[prime lantern]

Well to figure out what it is we have to figure what processes the man could stop via transmutation

[wild wind]

It's also possible he would have worked a contingency into place

Like, something to pull him together, or a way of deflecting the Jade Light

[graceful zodiac]

Easy, you just make a phylactery. Body may be destroyed but soul lives on and can rebuild or otherwise

[wild wind]

Given that the Orokin version of transmutation seems to be based on the classical elements, maybe they were afraid he'd transmute himself into air and escape, only to pop back up later

[supple dagger]

anyone know when the next main quest will be?

[prime lantern]

The analogy used in the leviathan was that of a snake regrowing its head

[prime lantern]

No

[supple dagger]

tbf after what happened with new war not sure what thy would even do

[prime lantern]

Huh?

[nova harness]

DE don’t give release dates until the month or 2 before they plan to release it

[wild wind]

Given what they've been saying, it'll probably follow Duviri for a bit.

Drifter's only escaped the spiral, they haven't emerged in the Origin system, much less met the Lotus.

And there's the implication that something's coming for Stalker.

[supple dagger]

just wondering is the new circit rotation up yet?

[nova harness]

No

It happens each week not each day

[supple dagger]

well yea i already did mine a few days ago

so was wondering if it had changed to next weeks

[wild wind]

it happens Sunday/Monday (depending on your timezone)

[supple dagger]

ty for info

[prime lantern]

What actually was this forbidden practice of transmutation that terrified the Orokin so? At its pinnacle, it was nothing less than the purposeful elevation of consciousness.

To the Orokin, prisoners of their endless golden dream, the thought that a person could rise above their station was anathema. Transmutation could turn commoners into kings or riches into garbage. Worst of all, it could teach people not to be afraid.

[wild wind]

It's a variation on the Great Chain of Being

[prime lantern]

Anathema just means a strong dislike towards

[wild wind]

The idea is that everything in existence has its place. Insects, rodents, birds, then mammals, and people at the top.
...on earth. Beyond people are the 10 orders of angels, then god.

And going against this chain, setting yourself up to be like a god, is a crime against existence.

[prime lantern]

And it seems that they were scared of him being transmuted back to "life"

I wouldn't really call being a snake life

[wild wind]

In general they were afraid of lesser people becoming Orokin-like

Or surpassing the Orokin

[prime lantern]

But it's interesting that Javi was given a form of healing

No that wording is terrible

It's interesting that javis form is a representation of healing

And not something scholarly

[wild wind]

???

[prime lantern]

Snakes

[wild wind]

There's a reason the highest level of learning is associated with "doctors"

[prime lantern]

They represent medicine and healing

Doctorates

[wild wind]

Snakes are the most ancient symbol of immortality that exists. The immortality that Gilgamesh sought was found in a snakeskin.

And the worm ouroboros is another one.

[prime lantern]

But you can be a doctor and have a degree in maths

[wild wind]

Yes, medical doctors are actually just one form of doctor.

[prime lantern]

Yes

[wild wind]

It used to be a thing to call lawyers "doctor".

The term isn't actually medical in nature, that's a result of cultural drift

[nova harness]

Doctor of Medicine Doctor of Science

Many doctors

Many jobs

[atomic lynx]

All you need to know about DE’s morals is in the Kavat/Kubrow reroll casino they shut down in less than 48 hours. They are a bastion of humanity in a cold dark gaming landscape.

[nova harness]

How long did it take for them to murder plat revives?

[supple dagger]

whats Kavat/Kubrow reroll casino

[atomic lynx]

Too long. Still historically doing a much better job than any developer I see.

[supple dagger]

havent worked on them yet i have the dog but havent gone through to get a kavat

i also have other things to worry about outside of the hole pet system like masterworking my gear

[atomic lynx]

Basically you used to be able to reroll the skin color of a pet for like 50 cents or something. When DE noticed players were using it over 100+ times a day, the removed it from the game as they did not want a slot machine in game.

[supple dagger]

ooooh , well there be a new way to get colors for those pet?

[atomic lynx]

Only by making new ones.

[nova harness]

You just pick them for the specific pet

[supple dagger]

kinda wish it was similar to how you choose a color for your warframe

not really sure why its not like that

[zenith jacinth]

It is tho

[supple dagger]

then im confused why people would be rerolling

if you can already choose there color

[zenith jacinth]

🤷‍♂️

The selectable colors for pets don't have much variety, and can be hard to get

[supple dagger]

like if it was stats then yea but not for colors

i just think it needs either more colors or a rework

[hexed ember]

wish you could use the regular color palettes on pets...

[supple dagger]

ikr

[zenith jacinth]

You can for the energy color

[hexed ember]

now just add it for the emissives...

[zenith jacinth]

And the rest, I want my narmer pets

[atomic lynx]

It might have been the fur pattern

I just remember a bit from Rebecca’s GDC18 presentation

[frail nymph]

I'm starting to think again that maybe Drifter might be the only Tenno from his universe that wasn't rescued...
Would definitely explain the ARG logs, at least

[frail nymph]

Or both took a deal... And Drifter got a worse deal, cause they had to be on stand by to help in New War

Sheesh...
I was about to make a hyperbolic statement to someone to explain Warframe's storytelling, "It's supposed to take months to figure out instead of being told in quests, that's what keeps the community alive."

Starting to think that's not hyperbolic at all

Based on the above I think New War Wally sounds like he says O?XVML
Where ML is Mara Lohk

[cunning tundra]

Who is wally?

[zenith jacinth]

Man in the wall

[prime lantern]

God maybe

[obtuse gyro]

Its possible that this is them just outright telling us what wally said in TNW

[cunning tundra]

oh i get the joke

Thats funny lol

[zenith jacinth]

It's not a joke, just how names tend to get shortened in the community

Terry, garry, harry, wally

It's very common

[frail nymph]

too many syllables in this thing, and I personally only think the MARA LOHK even sounds anything like what Wally said

[obtuse gyro]

Then again its lacking the "voh" sound

[frail nymph]

Xata is pretty clear in New War audio

[zenith jacinth]

My theory: he's making fun of an assumption of what he said

[frail nymph]

uuu[L/R]eee Xata Vo[me/hk] Mara Lohk
That's how I'd transcribe what I remember from New War edits

[prime lantern]

Wally is looking for good ice cream

[zenith jacinth]

I misremember hearing khra fairly distinctly

[frail nymph]

The only clear k sound is at the very end... wait I'll search for it

[zenith jacinth]

Corrected myself

[torpid lantern]

Vome seemed super clear to me!

[torpid lantern]

None of those words other than Lohk are Requiems so I think it's a joke

[opal rapids]

Getting rickrolled by the man in the wall /j

[smoky skiff]

They might also be new requiems I means we did got oull later down the line

[near rune]

I mean they very well could be Requiems we don't know.

[torpid lantern]

I think they're done adding Requiems though

[smoky skiff]

They don’t need to be mods

The requiems are well idk how to word it but void speak

If you look at the entrati architecture there is a lot of engravings that do share some similarities with the requiems, for all we know there might be a whole language and it’s mostly written in hieroglyphs

[near rune]

As mods, but Requiems as a concept can be vast. There's probably a whole language of them out there that are never going to be represented in game. The walls of the Cosmic Clock chamber are covered in writing in what is presumably the Requiem glyph alphabet.

[torpid lantern]

That's true but we've reached a point where it's extremely unlikely DE will create any more Requiems. They've created a situation where Requiems are tied with mods so in order to introduce more they'd have to make more mods. Had there been a better separation, it'd be more likely, but they didn't do that. DE is also in a new erra with a new team. They've already expressed issues with the previous system and are using Duviri as a way to build their own system. I'd wager most of those old systems are at end life now. Expecting them to be expanded seems like a huuuuuge stretch.

[smoky skiff]

Idk why you are tying this so heavily with gameplay, Warframes lore has always had a very tenuous relationship with gameplay

Like all these data pads have nothing to do with gameplay in fact from what we can gather they do nothing at all apart from world building and a few hints towards where the next step in the story is