spoiler-chat

[nova harness]

They also drop a bunch of health

[vagrant sphinx]

ok

and after i somehow kill this horde?

[nova harness]

You’ll get a next location to go

Probably have to kill some more

Then keep going

[frail nymph]

Probobably use the encampent machine gun thing?

[vagrant sphinx]

kahl sneak good

kahl gud shot

[nova harness]

Kahl is Clem but better

[ebon gazelle]

idk if this is the right channel to ask this question but does anyone know when the dex drifter/operator suit will be out?

[steady gate]

Nope

[ebon gazelle]

ok thank you, I hope there will be an announcement for it if it's limited time, I'd rather not miss it!

[vagrant sphinx]

erra do be sussy

veso even more

[autumn turret]

Around tennocon

[gritty flume]

tfw no corpus weapon to be part of incarnon genesis

[wild wind]

It'll probably happen. My guess is that we're going to get more tenet weapons first.

[prime lantern]

Corpus already have tenet weapons I doubt we'll get incarnom corpus

[graceful zodiac]

Grineer weapons have Kuva variants, yet here we are

[deft rampart]

i just want orowyrm in undercroft, so i don't have to do the god awful drifter move / skill set stuff before i can get my pathos clamps

[supple dagger]

It isn’t really that bad when you know what you’re doing

[deft rampart]

it's not that i can't do it, it's just that drifter duviri moveset feels so slow

no void slinging, and no warframe double / bullet jump or slide attack..... duviri drifter combat is honestly my least favorite content in all of warframe....

i would honestly rather farm some "hyper intrinsic" for 3000 points, that lets me just use warframes 100% of the time in the overworld

[cobalt gate]

day 6 praying for Gauss Prime

[pallid plover]

he's coming september/october most likely

[flat shadow]

If they don't swap him with Grendel.

[scarlet basalt]

It would be crazy if you see Parvos granum getting corpus weapons and just try to tinker them in his dimension.
Then somehow he create his "incarnon" type lmaoo

[spiral hornet]

drifter

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe you shouldn't go to other multiverse

[golden apex]

Bug or feature lol.

[fierce pier]

Ummmmmmm

[velvet wing]

Wut did you do?

[nova harness]

Looks like they are regretting something

[scarlet basalt]

"Wait, i haven't turned the stove off"

[zenith jacinth]

A bug that should be a feature

Someone should put that in #submit-warframe-emoji

[vagrant sphinx]

so uhh I kinda dont want to lose either one of my gals, do I get to change between them later?

[fierce pier]

I pick older kiddo

[vagrant sphinx]

not my question buddy

[fierce pier]

Oops

[vagrant sphinx]

kinda messed up by giving them different looks and voices now didnt I

[steady gate]

Yes, post quest you can swap between them

[vagrant sphinx]

thank you! Would be an arse move to kill one of them so the other one can finish the job lmao

lol Ordis does not like the drifter

[nova harness]

Wdym

[vagrant sphinx]

his initial reaction to her coming out of the transference pod and asking where the operator was despite the drifter being with him for what could be weeks or hell months

[nova harness]

He expected Drifter to bring Operator back

[vagrant sphinx]

idk but at the end of the bdsm sequence of Natah strangling the heck out of my drifter to the point of the operator coming back(yes ik what happened but saying it like this is funnier) did not include anything with Ordis outside of him being b u r n e d by Natah so I still dont get how he came back

[nova harness]

They merged with each other

Wally did a little void Magic

[vagrant sphinx]

I still don't get how he came back

referring to Ordis

mf got burned by Natah

[nova harness]

First of all, Ordis resides inside of the orbiter. The sentinel was just a proxy body, so at any rate he could have built another one

[vagrant sphinx]

I also dont get why Ordis inhibits the sentinel thingy from the sacrifice quest

[nova harness]

He probably got damaged

[vagrant sphinx]

so he got his cephalon-nutbrain damaged and started using a damage-prone physical form...smart

[vagrant sphinx]

is wally the creepy operator that's living inside our walls a bad guy or good guy, he seems annoying alright

[steady gate]

Uh

We don’t really know WHAT Wally is

We know he’s a void entity and that Albrecht Entrati was the first person to see him (or rather himself), and it spooked him enough that he refused to go through continuity.
We also know that the Red Veil call him ‘The Indifference’

[vagrant sphinx]

btw is Eularia Entrati the mother from cambion drift?

[steady gate]

Yes

[nova harness]

Yes

[vagrant sphinx]

very interesting how she's been living so long then

[nova harness]

Orokin transfer body’s

[steady gate]

and also infestation kinda breaks biology

[vagrant sphinx]

waaait, so could her Infested form not even be the og mother's form

same with ballas too?

[steady gate]

Yes

[nova harness]

Ballas probably has looked many ways

[steady gate]

The Twin Queens weren’t originally Grineer but that’s what bodies they got stuck with

[nova harness]

Most things in Warframe are actually Human

[steady gate]

And Ballas might’ve had surgery to retain his appearance

[vagrant sphinx]

Yikes the Cambion Drift family is a lot more dysfunctional than I thought

I still don't see where orokin came from at this point. The Ostron are the most pure humans, right? So what were the orokin before, random arse human nobles?

[nova harness]

They built Space

[steady gate]

“IK” they say, after asking if the current bodies we see Orokin might not be their original when the game has a quest directly about that and I’m just reminding

[vagrant sphinx]

I knew about the grineer queens

But I thought the orokin changed their bodies to resemble their olds ones with the transferring minds thingy

[nova harness]

They retained thoughts and feelings

[steady gate]

The Twin Queens look nothing alike, they’re covered in Grineer cybernetics

[nova harness]

Different looks though

[steady gate]

The worm queen has no eyes

[vagrant sphinx]

did the orokin come from another universe?

[nova harness]

No

[vagrant sphinx]

wtf are they then if not exploiter aliens

[nova harness]

They built the Origin System

[vagrant sphinx]

... im getting more and more confused

imma leave

[nova harness]

Warframe is more technologically advanced than real life

[near rune]

Orokin are just humans who genetically modified themselves to be superior (in their eyes)

[vagrant sphinx]

ok, now that makes more sense

[steady gate]

The only alien thing is Wally

[nova harness]

The only thing the Orokin didn’t build was the Void that was already there

[vagrant sphinx]

I still find it funny how the orokin basically killed themselves

[nova harness]

We killed them

[vagrant sphinx]

...

[nova harness]

Some survived

[steady gate]

“Who killed the Orokin? Who destroyed your way of life?”
“Tenno.”

[vagrant sphinx]

thats not my point wait a little

[nova harness]

Entrati Nihil and Ballas were the last Orokin alive

Nihil is trapped Entrati are well a typical family and Ballas well his death was pretty crazy

[vagrant sphinx]

The Orokin exploited their land a little too much, then built some bots to colonise another solar system, with said bots came back as Sentients and said no to their bs. The Orokin then created the Infested and Grineer to combat the Sentients, with the Infested backfiring a LOT. Then the Zariman Ten Zero accident happened and the Orokin decided to create Warframes out of Zariman Ten Zero victims and "volunteers" for the Tenno to inhibit due to the Sentient threat. The Lotus(sentient)made the Tenno betray the Orokin and have so lead the Orokin to extinction.

The Orokin killed themselves lmao

Bro stop wasting your time explaining stuff I already know, the only thing I was confused about was the whole Yuvan bs and wtf the orokin were

[nova harness]

Warframes were a thing before Tenno

[tribal igloo]

Agrees

[vagrant sphinx]

yeah wild useless animals, and?

[nova harness]

They were actually really effective but crazy and prone to outbursts

We took away their pain

[vagrant sphinx]

and where tf was that mentioned? I don't remember anything being mentioned about them being useful before the Tenno started using them being mentioned anywhere in the game(idk I haven't finished new war)

[nova harness]

Faced with losing the war and with their technology useless, the Orokin needed to create something new that could aptly fight the Sentients. At first, they developed Necramechs, autonomous and remote-controlled machines with heavy weaponry, Void shielding, and immunity to Sentient Orphix pulses. These machines were eventually retired due to their lack of adaptability.

In their desperation, the Orokin were forced to unearth their forbidden knowledge of the Infestation that once destroyed their colonies in the past due to an uncontrolled outbreak.

At some point, Ballas began researching new uses for the Infestation by experimenting on willing and unwilling subjects drawn from Orokin warriors and other castes. Ultimately, this research led to the creation of Warframes — human subjects mutated through a specially engineered strain of the Infestation called Helminth. However, while the new Warframes were powerful and initially did well against the Sentients, they retained some remnants of their former consciousness. The echoes of their lost selves manifested as intense rage and despair, making them unpredictable and just as likely to turn against their Orokin masters.

[near rune]

Ballas says "Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought." He doesn't talk about them being effective, but they were deployed to the battlefield in that state, so they must have been at least a little effective in tests.

[vagrant sphinx]

Where is the part after [40] from tho?

[nova harness]

A link

On wiki it takes you to where it is referenced

Warframes weren’t useless before Tenno

We just made them easier to control until we decided we were sick of Orokin and started murdering

[vagrant sphinx]

still, the Orokin killed themselves because they created the Sentients, with one of the Sentients making the Tenno massacre the Orokin

[nova harness]

That’s Orokin for you

They brought about their own destruction

Nobody can deny that

[flat magnet]

I understand the orokin were bad, but they’re technological advancement in having complete control over their genetic makeup is impressive

[prime lantern]

What a coincidence I was just read on this

Warframes were not useless with the tenno however after enough time the Warframes eventually stopped acting intelligently and acted in violent impluse

[graceful zodiac]

Except theirs no indication they had any actual success. Ballas goes straight from successful experiments to abject failures. They were just full on uncontrollable, as seen with Rhino Prime.

[prime lantern]

They were operational long enough for ballas to believe they were free of the insanity caused by infestation

[frail nymph]

That belief stems from the design process primarily, so the "long enough" may be shorter than even the time until they were first deployed

[prime lantern]

Perhaps

However if they only lasted an hour and then went insane

I think what would be cool to hear about is if they used it as like a final stand type weapon

Take the subject put an explosive in there neck or something

Then give them helmith in a vial

Have them inject themselves on the battle field

[frail nymph]

Well, Ordan already did that so I wouldn't hold my breath, but would be cool

[prime lantern]

Who?

[frail nymph]

Ordan Karis?

[prime lantern]

He didn't use helmith?

Did he?

[frail nymph]

No but he had a final stand thing

[prime lantern]

Oh okay

Ooooo

That's how they could do infested lichs sorta

Have a clut esq figure like arlo

[amber terrace]

What would it take for someone to give me a little YouTuber RNG as a treat for tomorrow’s(technically today if we’re splitting hairs) Amar fight? I need a third Tauforged Crimson Archon Shard for my Hildryn Prime build and rn I have a 60% chance of getting the τ red but my hopes aren’t particularly high

[dull path]

What exactly are you asking for?

[amber terrace]

Just a third Tauforged Crimson Archon Shard( I have two already)

It would make my Hildryn Prime build a lot more optimized and I want as close to peak optimization before I start Steel Path

[dull path]

I mean, what are you asking of us?

[amber terrace]

To get a Tauforged shard despite my odds only being 60:40

[dull path]

So nothing that any of us can actually do for you

[amber terrace]

I mean at least a good word to the Void and Grofit would be nice

[steady gate]

I am praying that you get a zaw riven.

[amber terrace]

I take it Zaw rivens are bad rng

[steady gate]

they are not valuable

[amber terrace]

Ah

I mostly just don’t want to wait another 3 weeks just because my RNG is pee pee poo poo

I want that Sabuuchi luck where I can get a full five stack of τ reds

All I need is Three(3) total and I already have Two(2). Just one more. Please, RNGrofit, please gib Tauforged Crimson, so I don’t have to be worried about peak optimization for my Hildryn build for the first five missions of Steel Path

[lethal stone]

You don't even need to be that optimized for SP lol

I can do it with just base Hildryn and no shards

[amber terrace]

I like being overleveled

Plus, an Xbox friend told me that no matter what I do, I’m gonna get slapped around in Steel Path despite the fact that when he tried SP, he was taxied in and hadn’t even completed the pre AOTZ starchart. So with that in mind, I might as well go in super souped up so when I inevitably hit a wall, it’s gonna be somewhere beyond the first five missions on Earth

[lethal stone]

TBF, Grineer are actually the hardest of the factions. Infested are tissue paper and Toxin just obliterates corpus

[amber terrace]

Right. Does this apply to just running through the missions to their minimum extraction point as well? I know people only consider builds SP playable at level cap endurance runs, so would a generalist build at least get me past the first five missions on SP Earth?

[lethal stone]

Hildryn with Pillage does real good against Grineer. As long as you don't run out of Shields and die before getting to cover, you should do fine on everything

[amber terrace]

Hildryn is my main, so pillage won’t be an issue. My main thing is optimization. With my current build, I’m only able to get 402% by replacing [Blazing Pillage] my beloved with [Amar’s Hatred] and I will not lie, it’s getting a tad annoying

[lethal stone]

Due to Hildryn changes a while back, just get to 200% and press Pillage Twice, since it's based their max Armor not their current anymor

[amber terrace]

Counterpoint: I’m stubborn and lazy and I want to be able to full strip in one cast

[lethal stone]

Then you're kinda throwing, since you lose a lot of other stats to hit 400%

[amber terrace]

With the way I use Hildryn, I should be fine

What I use works handily in Archon Hunts and those are similar to steel path conditions if the description of Archon Hunts are accurate

[lethal stone]

With Blazing Pillage, it also full strips on enemies affected by Haven

At 200%

[amber terrace]

I thought that the changes to Heat and Corrosive status effects made that not possible

Like you can’t full strip with heat and corrosive procs

[lethal stone]

iirc, Heat proc reduces their armor to 50%. Pillage then removes the rest

It has to be done in that order, I think

[amber terrace]

Hmm… I’d have to test that/look it up

Because I was under the impression that you can’t full strip with procs, even if you hit the armor strip cap on procs and then armor strip with abilities

[frail nymph]

Sooo The Zariman belongs to Drifter...

I guess that means the logs were a result of conceptual embodiment?

[cobalt gate]

day 7 praying for Gauss Prime

[zenith jacinth]

[graceful zodiac]

Unless DE said as some point, it's not. A best, it's both in one

[zenith jacinth]

I hope you realize that that's not gonna make it happen any sooner

[frail nymph]

Based on...?

Because I don't see any possible mechanism for its origin to have any relation to the operator's reality.

Especially given the fact that all of the Zariman was at one point fully in Duviri.

"Both in one" is just a void shenanigans answer, just like "logs were conceptual embodiment"

[cyan crest]

quinn got killed by kids with powers

So like

Weird

[frail nymph]

Yeah the Holdfasts are remembering what happened to the Operator's crew

Cause their memories come from void shenanigans. Voidplumes, to be precise.

[graceful zodiac]

Besides The Holdfasts and all the data on it having to be from Operator, there's the also all the pieces of the Zariman that Duviri is built up from, suggesting that Drifter's Zariman was broken up for that to happen

[cyan crest]

Hey perhaps the entire thing is a void copy

[frail nymph]

Perhaps, but also likely the parts of Zariman in Duviri are void copies

Again, void shenanigans can bridge the gap...

But before void shenanigans, there were two different Zarimans in two different realities... And the one Dormizone we have can only belong to one of them. The Drifter had access to the Dormizone when it was not yet in the Origin system.

[graceful zodiac]

That Dormizone could still very easily just be connected to Operator Zariman. Drifter doesn't go there till the realities are already intermingling. Zariman doesn't need to be outside the Void for that

[nova harness]

I always thought the Orokin got rid of Operator Zariman because a remember hearing they erased everything from the incident which should include the ship only leaving the Tenno

[frail nymph]

What operator zariman, though?

There was no Zariman in the origin system until the Drifter escaped

And Teshin just says the Orbiter became lit up. As if it was always there

[graceful zodiac]

Zariman wasn't in the Origin System until Angels. But it doesn't need to be outside the Void for it to be connected

[nova harness]

There was definitely 2 of them

[frail nymph]

There's no "definitely"

[cyan crest]

The cutscene in angels can be showing the past

[frail nymph]

Oh so you mean it was connected to Operator's Zariman after it hypothetically was tossed back into the void

[frail nymph]

We know it was back in the void during the ARG

[graceful zodiac]

That wouldn't work with Lotus dialogue calling it out as just appearing

[cyan crest]

mmm
Another missed good question for the ama

[frail nymph]

I doubt they would've really answered it

Soo either the word "destroyed" in the War Within needs to be changed to "tossed back into the void"

Or there is one "true" Zariman, one that belongs to Drifter.

I know how the second option works...

So let's discuss the exact timeline of the first option.

[graceful zodiac]

Tossed into the Void is pretty much the same thing as permanently destroyed for the Orokin

[nova harness]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they just left it in the Void

[graceful zodiac]

All they'd have to do is wipe all the data stating it existed, flight logs, passenger list, blueprint, etc.

[frail nymph]

Still misleading, given that Void towers exist

[nova harness]

They probably recovered the crew and left it where they found it

[frail nymph]

If so, it would have been in the Origin System, not the void.

[graceful zodiac]

They're also specific structure they only put into the Void as a last resort

[frail nymph]

Are they?

[graceful zodiac]

And had ways to get to from anwyhere

[frail nymph]

As far as I know the Orokin towers are just towers that survived because they happened to be in the void

[nova harness]

No it was in the Void after doing a void jump and the Orokin have been to and studied the Void

[frail nymph]

That was before the Tenno were rescued

The Zariman returned when the Tenno were rescued

[graceful zodiac]

Hmm. I'm mixing that up slightly with the Orokin Derelict blurb that had them tossed into the Void, but to avoid Infestation

[frail nymph]

Tossing a whole ship into the void also seems like more effort than just hitting delete and blowing stuff up.

Though I guess the finger would've been functional so perhaps not

[nova harness]

It was already there from the jump

[frail nymph]

It was not

It came back

[nova harness]

They recovered the crew and left it there

[graceful zodiac]

Except that's visible and leaves questions

[frail nymph]

They recovered the crew when it came out of the void. When it came back from the "fold"

[graceful zodiac]

It would be far easier to just set it to jump someplace random in the Void

[frail nymph]

Assuming the finger still works, yes

[balmy storm]

I feel like it'd be more likely systems relating to jumping with the finger is likely than the finger not working

[frail nymph]

Anyway, I still think the word "destroyed" doesn't work...

However, that word comes from Tenno memories from the time when Margulis was installed in Natah, so the Tenno might just have been lied to.

[graceful zodiac]

Wouldn't matter if the Finger worked or not, it's just about dumping it

[frail nymph]

I don't think it's easy to dump without a working finger

Oh the word destroyed wasn't even there lol, Mandela effect

So yeah the stuff may have been simply thrown as-is into the void while the Tenno believed everything was wiped out

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, just wiping anything that indicated it existed or flights happened. Thus why the only data on the ship logs were interpersonal communications

[frail nymph]

There was more than just interpersonal comms

There was stuff like the Arcebo message and the flight direction heading data

It's just that Kira wanted to find out what happened to her

[cyan crest]

Zaramin

[cobalt gate]

Yes🗿

[zenith jacinth]

[sic]

[vagrant sphinx]

"The choice of margulis is permanent"

165 platinum for new body:

[near rune]

The name still stays no matter what body you choose

[vagrant sphinx]

bs idc

[nova harness]

The only thing you can change is the skin which changes voice a bit the name is permanent

[frail nymph]

Every time I see this I imagine drunk Homer Simpson having a hiccup

[final depot]

I picked Natah

😎

[nova harness]

I picked Lotus but later swapped skin to Margilus

[vagrant sphinx]

If the drifter can wield the Nataruk against the Archons with no problem whatsoever, then why was she unable to just take any of my other weapons from my orbiter?

After The New War, why is the Drifter unable to use Nataruk in the duviri experience? (edited)

[graceful zodiac]

Because Duviri is before they leave for TNW

[vagrant sphinx]

they can go back and forth after the new war though

[nova harness]

Duviri is set before New War the Nataruk was still with Hunhow until the New War why they aren’t able to use it after the New War I have no idea

[vagrant sphinx]

Question:

How tf do the game's quests line up with the fact that there are about 40k daily warframe players? You can't just say that there is only 1 canon Tenno considering trading, squads, clans and whatnot exist...

[wild copper]

I don't think there's only one canon tenno
If all the trailers are canon, then there's quite a few showing multiple Warframes in action, but only focusing on one tenno
There's probably just one main tenno for the cinematics

[graceful zodiac]

There isn't 1 canon Tenno to begin with

We know for a fact there are minimum thousands active at a given time

[wild copper]

There's also the drifter/operator from the duviri trailers

[vagrant sphinx]

soo...where tf were the other tenno while our guy/gal got sent to the void at the start of the new war

[obtuse gyro]

the girl operator in the trailers is Mara, which is the proxy character that DE inserted

[graceful zodiac]

That's just us, the main character

[golden void]

Yeah I don’t think there’s any more

Islands

[coral condor]

Just doing random stuff like stopping cults and keeping their frames from going berserk and eating people

Or freeing child slaves

Or whatever stalker does besides killing other frames/tenno

[nova harness]

Or just sleeping

[coral condor]

Or guarding/keeping something trapped like Rell was

[nova harness]

Or getting Mastery on Hydron

[coral condor]

From my understanding while frames can act on their own like rhino did for a bit when he went berserk or I think sevagoth(?) When he went missing rescuing people alot of the Frames stories are just those being piloted by tenno

[nova harness]

Warframes without Tenno were a bit psycho

[coral condor]

I've said this before but they just remind of Eva units going berserk

[warm heart]

You have a little time before getting hit the things that kill u, you have a slide that acts like a dodge roll, use it to your advantage

[coral condor]

Which I wouldn't be surprised if DE took inspiration from Eva when it came to coming up with the concept for warframes as a whole

Since they're all adorable nerds

And now all I can think about is the scene where Shinji Ikari's dad said "get in the Eva Shinji" but it's Ballas instead of Gendo

[nova harness]

Lol

[golden void]

Just finished war within I think and I got balanced but leaned towards white

What difference does it make

[nova harness]

You mean Sun moon neutral thing?

[golden void]

Yeah

[nova harness]

It changes absolutely nothing

[golden void]

Oh💀

[nova harness]

Well gameplay wise at least

Later quest ones will change stuff a tiny bit

[prime lantern]

Both gameplay and lore wise your choices do not matter

The only choice I can even think of that affected something was drinking the kuva

And even then that got you a single voiceline from the big man

[scarlet basalt]

Zaramin

[prime lantern]

Well you see we are the main character and if we stop existing then the world can't progress

I hope we get an answer for why us disappearing somehow made it so literally every other tenno just went into hiding

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe it made their powers go poof since we're the one who got them for everyone

[near rune]

That's sort of my assumption. It's kind of the only thing I can think of that makes sense. But it's not very satisfying. Would love some more resolution on that.

[prime lantern]

I think the tenno getting shoved into the void should've happened on deimos

And then have ballas somehow close the heart of deimos

Because whilst powerful tenno without a frame arnt much of a threat to ballas

[zenith jacinth]

Tell that to the tenno that fought with an amp in the collapse

[prime lantern]

What tenno?

During the collapse nearly every tenno would be in sleep

[lethal stone]

Heart of Deimos was originally supposed to be post New-War content, so the timeline is a little messed up

[prime lantern]

Yea

Ik

[graceful zodiac]

Why would he do that, closing the Heart doesn't stop the Tenno and just wrecks the tech in the system

[prime lantern]

Because it stops warframes

[prime lantern]

And I doubt it's wrecking much

The grineer and corpus already possess interplanetary travel without the heart

And ballas is allied with the sentients

I highly doubt any that needs the heart is being used by them

[fading current]

Do the grineer and corpus use the solar rail system to travel to other planets?

[vagrant sphinx]

im pretty sure you also get a voiceline if you give the kuva to teshin in war within

[prime lantern]

They use there own independent technology

[vagrant sphinx]

damn why didn't we just steal that

[lethal stone]

They do use the Solar Rail, though?

You can hear them talk about it if you listen into the Orbiter Radio

[pliant spade]

i was thinking grineer use kuva fortress to travel to other planets

[lethal stone]

No, the Grineer and Corpus both use the Solar Rail. The Grineer have a pretty firm grip on some, while the Corpus own the others

[vagrant sphinx]

huh, so were they the ones who put spectres in the junction nodes?

[fading current]

That’s what I thought…so, responding to the comment about the heart, if the heart of Deimos was ever destroyed then yea it’d screw a lot of stuff up. Especially since it’s connected to the solar rail system.

[vagrant sphinx]

btw, did Alad V die when Veso R's corpus ship blew up after massacring a sentient ship?

[steady gate]

As far as we know, yes.
But he has a habit of not dying

[vagrant sphinx]

as all bosses in this game do, for some weird reason

[prime lantern]

Even then I doubt the sentients are utilizing void tech

I imagine the closest piece of void technology to them would've been paracesis which may or may not be void

[cobalt gate]

day 8 praying for gauss prime

[near rune]

No, the Grineer and Corpus both use the Solar Rail network, which is specifically stated to rely on the Heart.

[prime lantern]

My mistake then

My point however still stands of why would the sentients care about void technology

[near rune]

But Ballas would, probably, and he was the one in charge.

[prime lantern]

What was he gonna do with it

He can't control warframes

Beyond solar rails which are mostly just convenient

There isn't any void tech ballas needs that could outweigh the threat of warframes

[near rune]

But Ballas was able to neutralise the warframes without shutting down the Heart, as we've seen.

[prime lantern]

Somehow with absolutely no explanatio

[near rune]

I mean Orphix fields really did a lot of the work there.

[prime lantern]

Did ballas somehow create planet wide orphixs

That also vanished when we escaped the void

How did ballas somehow make 1 tenno deadish and then that caused everyother tenno awake and asleep to also just not exist/warframes stop working

[graceful zodiac]

Keep the basic infrastructure of the system going. Most of the tech in the system has underlying void power, like all of the terraforming tech

[prime lantern]

Why would he Need more terraforming tech

For starters if the technology needs to remain running then you suck at terraforming

Secondly

What faction is he aligned with

3rdly where is it said or even implied that everything is running on void energy

The corpus have fusion? Reactors or something along that nature

Before/during the collapse anti matter Reactors were in use

The Solar Rails. The Tenno, we all depend on the Heart to keep the wall open to the other side. If the Heart stops, everything goes with it.

This is from mother but I doubt she knows everything

How would she know if corpus/grineer are utilizing the heart

I doubt the corpus would use massive reactors for power if they had void energy

The voids power is insanely high due to its paracausal nature

[vagrant sphinx]

why Kahl wield ark-gun, if ark-gun no gravimag

[tepid basin]

Kahl need no gravimag to do whatever he does because Kahl doesnt complain and is a professional

ALSO, I do think the featured ark gun is featured in the plains for heavy gunners already

im not sure about the latter tho

[zenith jacinth]

Because it called arch gun and probably have gravimag

[prime lantern]

We had to hunt down a gravi mag

[steady gate]

There’s probably one already installed; it’s a gun on a ship meant for atmosphere, how would you aim it if it didn’t have one

[wild wind]

Hydraulics

[frail nymph]

If it's a typical heavy weapon weight, no problem. The military IRL didn't always have hydraulics yet mounted archguns.

Gravimags make it weightless.... which is nice for bullet jumping n stuff

[real niche]

Not completely because you have reduced bullet jump time with it equipped :)

[opal rapids]

Kahl wields both an ayanga and a grattler, only one of which I recall being a Grineer handheld

(Aside from lich cheating)

[prime lantern]

Simple answer

Kahl is him

[opal rapids]

I'm finally leveling my imperator, does that mean my pity gun in the wyrm fight will suck less or is it just a stock gun anyway

[prime lantern]

Stock iirc

[dull path]

It's just a stock archgun. None of your mod configs

[balmy badger]

Aim glide time too.

[zenith jacinth]

And it's reduced a lot

[cobalt gate]

Day 9 praying for Gauss Prime

[frail nymph]

Yup, not completely...

But it is enough to make it behave like a regular gun that spins around you rather than you spinning around the gun every time you bullet jump

[supple dagger]

damn they didnt even show us her face

lotus but damn that story keeps getting deeeper

[opal rapids]

Belated rip that it won't help but okay

[balmy storm]

Wait ~3 months after Wisp Prime
But Grendel’s probably first so more like 6-7 after Wisp

[cobalt gate]

Pray with me xd

[pallid plover]

Gauss released before Grendel, he should be first

[dull path]

Should be, but it wouldn't be unheard of for them to go out of order for it

[balmy storm]

Couldn’t remember, thanks for correcting me

[chrome glen]

Does anyone have an eta for the update

[pseudo willow]

What do you guys think the seven crimes of kullervo are?

[supple dagger]

A lot of people believe that they’re probably related to the 7 Orokin Principles

[supple dagger]

Probably somewhere between 11am—3pm EST

[pseudo willow]

Would duvirians even know of those since they aren’t orokin or from the origin system

[supple dagger]

According to the lore fragments(spoilers for anyone who doesn’t wanna get spoiled on what they say)||Most of the Duvrians were taught lessons and were educated through all of the Zariman pieces(the classrooms, drawings, books, etc) that are scattered throughout the caves. That’s where they learned most of Orokin tradition, like the 7 Principles, and other interesting facts and details about the Orokin||

[graceful zodiac]

Oh god, Crimes update is tomorrow, ain't it?

[supple dagger]

Yep

[pseudo willow]

Yeah

[near rune]

Acrithis says pretty explicitly that they learn of the Seven Principles.

[pseudo willow]

Yeah I rewatched some of them it seems like they learned of some pretty cool stuff in the caves of academe

The geometries, the primord, the harmonics and resonances and the sacred stories

All of them seem cool 😎

[proud comet]

🤨

[stray lynx]

I look forward to additional Duviri quests involving the stuff in the archives. I wanna go on a quest to find the missing anti-void lighthouse with Koral and her brother.

[twilit geode]

I’m very interested to see how or if they expand Duviri. The missing islands are a perfect lore excuse to bring them back and add more to Duviri over time.

[dull path]

Wdym 'if'? We already know they are. Kullervo's prison is one such island

[twilit geode]

Oh I know, I just don’t know how far they’ll go with it. And how many of the lost islands we’ll actually get to visit.

[north hamlet]

VOR?!

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl I want to see those real lost islands. The one who are drifting in the void bcz thrax excluded them out of fear

[deft rampart]

i really hope that they move on to the next thing and don't add much to Duviri, Duviri Drifter as Opposed to Origin System just feels slow / bad to me, and it feels like a chore i am forced to perform to get incarnon adapters for real warframe.

[twilit geode]

...Okay but you don't have to do the Drifter side of things for the incarnon adapters, you do the purely-warframe part for that. Well I guess there's the orowyrm fights for clamps for crafting, sure. But like... Normal difficulty story alone ones are so easy, and done so quick? You only need 2 to get enough pathos clamps.

[deft rampart]

yes... you need to fight through duviri overworld, as the drifter

if duviri overworld was just collect plants

and the orowyrm fight was something like zone 10 in circuit, great...

but requiring me to do drifter combat to get TO the orowyrm fight is what really bothers me

[obtuse gyro]

For incarnon adaptors or just clamps?

[deft rampart]

for clamps

if clamps were on the ingame store, i would just buy the clamps

[twilit geode]

Bruh, drifter combat is... I mean it's so easy.

[deft rampart]

so is doing the dishes or taking out the trash

i have earned 2 adapter per week, so i have earned 16 adapters

i so far installed 4, because i find playing drifter that tedious

i would honestly rather farm 5000 points of intrinsics in circuit and unlock "be warframe in duviri overworld 100% of the time", than do it.....

so now, if i need plants, i collect only plants while other people fight stuff, or if i JUST need clamps, i just flat out AFK until the other people start the 2 undercroft parts

[prime lantern]

Drifter combat kinda sucks in warframe

I like the combat but it doesn't mesh well with warframe

[deft rampart]

it has no bullet jumping, double jumping, slider attacks.... it also has no void slinging..... it is the most "un-warframe" combat in the game

so, great... release cullervo and his shotgun, put vor in the undercroft, great..... please add tau next.... and get back to real warframe

[balmy storm]

We have no reason to go to tau, aside from people want it

[prime lantern]

Yea

Going to tau makes no sense tbh

[proud comet]

No sliding attacks? 🤨

[prime lantern]

The sentients there are going to stay there

[deft rampart]

i just wish if DE wanted to get feednack on Soulframe Alpha, they should release it standalone, instead of poluting warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Assuming that duviri is running on the same systems as soulframe lol

[wicked iron]

Duviri isn't polluting Warframe. Most folks love it, as far as I can tell. I sure know I do.

And you can't really call it "un-Warframe." It plays almost like how Warframe originally did, after all. Before parkour 2.0 and such

[proud comet]

I like drifter combat 👍

[obtuse gyro]

Oh god the modability days

With stamina

[vale goblet]

if i buy lotus skin will it change voice too?

[deft rampart]

i am happy for the people that like it, they have more content, but i dislike that people who really don't like it are forced to do it for items meant for classic warframe gameplay

[balmy storm]

I feel like that’s why the undercroft exists, to sorta alleviate the more duviri-styled gameplay with the classic warframe gameplay

[proud comet]

5 minutes

Pagman

[wicked iron]

Yep!

[deft rampart]

the issue is that you can't earn all you need to attach the adapters you earn from it

[balmy storm]

Also that’s arguably just how the game is sometimes
Archwing missions for example, though those are much smaller by comparison

[vale goblet]

ahhh nice ❤️

[wicked iron]

Just won't change lines for any specific to choice you made. Some newer lines are specific depending on your end of quest choice, and they stay the same, even with different skins.

[deft rampart]

the name will stay whatever you chose in the quest, so Margulis / Natah / Lotus..... but appearance and voice can be changed with the skins

[balmy storm]

Don’t you earn it in time though?
I’d also experiment with the Drifter’s gameplay to find whatever fits best with you, maybe it’s shooting from horseback, maybe it’s using your preferred melee, maybe you just do some silly little tasks for a while and stack up a bunch of decrees to make the run smooth (though that can be admittedly time consuming)

[vale goblet]

oh i know that ❤️ she's the lotus through and through

[deft rampart]

You need the Adapter, 20 Pathos Clamps, and 2 other types of Resources to attach Incarnon Genesis Adapters.

Pathos Clamps are 100% Orowyrm Fight Exclusive, and to get to that, you have to play through the Duviri Overworld as the drifter.

In addition to that, while you can earn 4-5 types of duviri materials in the Undercroft / Circuit, others are also overworld exclusive.

so if you want to attach even a single Adapter you've earned by playing Steel Path Circuit, you are forced to play Duviri Experience or Lone Story to get the Clamps.

[proud comet]

You can get the resources from teshins cave now too

Not clamps though

[balmy storm]

^

[deft rampart]

this is the part that has me miffed, i would just flat out buy the clamps on the store if they were in it, but they are not

[balmy storm]

The clamps will probably stay tied to that, best thing to do there is to just bite the bullet and play through drifter’s gameplay
Again, I’d find whatever play style works best for you there

[deft rampart]

"stay afk until people teleport you to the undercroft 2 times", then AFK until they summon you to the orowyrm fight"

[balmy storm]

It’s def not for everyone but whenever I need clamps I end up going around and doing any tasks I find, stacking decrees, maybe I listen to music or talk to friends while I do it too

[proud comet]

Best way to get clamps is speed run The lone story on normal star chart

[balmy storm]

I forgot dealing with other players is a problem too, I’ve been doing the whole of Duviri fairly solo-

It’s kinda fun to just explore by myself mostly cause my friends don’t or can’t play 🙃

[deft rampart]

the only times i switch to solo is when a challenge says "do X solo", or when people keep messing up spy missions that are part of sortie / archon hunt

[balmy storm]

I’ve found if people are the issue when playing then solo is something to try
I did a few public games and it wasn’t great or far buggier than solo, at least for Duviri

[proud comet]

It’s not too bad until you get a host migration

[balmy storm]

It absolutely depends on your own skill level and what builds you have though

[proud comet]

Then you get locked in the under Croft

[balmy storm]

I had so little bugs running duviri solo, those few public game runs? Horrendously buggy

[proud comet]

Doing it solo is faster anyway for flood and exterminate

[proud comet]

You get 10 for finishing it

[prime lantern]

You gotta play content to play content man

[proud comet]

It’s to stop people leaving

[deft rampart]

GG, i will buy Kullervo Bundle on the store to play, and a solo cullervo to feed to helminth.... i am not paying pathos clamps for anything but incarnon adapters

[balmy storm]

Okay that makes sense actually-

[proud comet]

It’s a deposit

[balmy storm]

So Kullvero’s update gives us an alternate way of obtaining pathos clamps?

[proud comet]

And you can farm him on the normal duviri experience anyway

You only gain five from it

I believe

[balmy storm]

For those that don’t want to fight the wyrm that’s honestly so fair

[proud comet]

That’s if you don’t have to do the wyrm

[balmy storm]

I wonder if it’ll end up being faster depending on your own skill level

Having literally any alternative to the wyrm makes the price worth it, yes you only get half you’d get from the wyrm but that makes sense for an alternative

I wonder if the amount given is different for SP though

[deft rampart]

oh look, i am such a good farmer, paying pathos clamps for boss tries.... NOT!

[zenith jacinth]

Too lazy to play the game, huh?

[proud comet]

You could’ve got it without paying the clamps

[deft rampart]

i just hate anything that expects me to do non origin system drifter or warframe combat

[zenith jacinth]

Ah, can't adapt to different gameplay

[fast laurel]

I personally think it's needed it's always warframes hacking and slashing

[balmy storm]

Sometimes you do kinda just have to do things you don’t necessarily want to do in this game
Like farming, nobody likes it but we still do it
The game’s full of things each player will love and hate

[fast laurel]

^

[balmy storm]

I would def take some time to find a play style that works best for you in Duviri, try solo, try stacking decrees and doing silly little tasks while exploring, if it’s really boring put on something to watch, listen to or talk with friends while you do it
Overcome it, you got this

[zenith jacinth]

I like duviri combat, it's more complicated than just "spam melee/primary aoe gun"

[balmy storm]

Same, and if you want the less complicated option stack decrees for a while, make a build from what you get and wreck shop
Over time you kinda just figure out what works well together

I really just love being able to make my own play style from random options given

[scarlet basalt]

This is one of the weirdest things
Idk if the scholar talked about is Albretch or someone else, because he is a scholar,father,stranger
He was retrieved by "cupped hands" technically since he waswelcomed by duviri..

[hazy hinge]

does anyone know how to trigger the kulervo fight/story? the island showed up during a regular run but there was no floor

[tight quarry]

talk to the warden

[wise elbow]

did anyone open the secret room in kullervo's island?

[fallen verge]

now what?

[terse gyro]

Where is the warden?

He's not in his chair overlooking the prison for me.

[fallen verge]

how do i get the kullervo stuff i need to trade in? i killed him. nothing.

[terse gyro]

I don't even know how to start killing him

[warm iris]

this on the patch note

[fallen verge]

yes i know but i didnt know i had to extract to get kullervo's bane

[warm iris]

yeaa seems like u need to extract first

[tight quarry]

if you went in as lone story you only get the chance for it in the main story. it won't let you in otherwise. if you went in as duviri experience the warden is sitting in a chair overlooking the cells

[terse gyro]

Ah.

...yeah okay, I am stupid.

[tight quarry]

no you aren't, its a brand new experience. we are all learning 🙂

[scarlet basalt]

this is crazy but the quizz are literally made by MITW itself
Like : who the hell askj a question "HOw many fingers are there ?"
And the good answer is " Where's my fingers,kiddo ?"

[wild wind]

You don't extract, you have to beat the Orowyrm. You get Kullervo's Banes by both calming the Orowyrm and defeating Kullervo in a single Duviri run. Order doesn't matter, though.

[thorn parcel]

not sure how the "find the hidden chest" missions seed, but does anyone know where this one is lmao

been looking forever now

ugh, it was in the sky

[tepid dagger]

Anyone know what the point of the mausoleum on Kullervo's Hold is?
https://i.imgur.com/00s7WOy.jpeg

I got it open, but nothin' inside afaict

[zenith jacinth]

"Afaict"?

[tepid dagger]

As far as I can tell.

[final depot]

how do you even open it

I guess it has SOMETHING to do with the statues but I can't figure it out

[thick brook]

I turned all the statues towards the middle of the Hold and was able to hack a panel outside the locked area, nothing in there though

[final depot]

[thick brook]

After the hotfix there's now a somachord and a little table thing you can inspect. Inspecting it brings up a question with two options, clicking option A backs you out of it and clicking option B seems to do nothing which I'm guessing means it's bugged

[supple dagger]

You can only find stuff in there during Anger, Sorrow, and Fear iirc

[tepid dagger]

Ahhh so not during the special mission

[zenith jacinth]

I think the limited story is in sorrow

[hollow totem]

did DE forget something ?

[thick brook]

What's the point of paying pathos clamps for the limited story when you can fight Kullervo for free in the Duviri Experience? Am I missing something there?

[hollow totem]

there is no kullervo in lone story

[stray lynx]

Depends how impatient you are basically.

[hollow totem]

or only a chance of it being a quest

[real niche]

Guaranteed Kull spawn, not all emotions give Kullervo.

[hollow totem]

and you have to physically go there

[stray lynx]

Sorrow, Fear and Anger give Kullervo I think?

[tepid dagger]

Plus you just get twice as much back

[celest drift]

So today I learned that this is possible

[stray lynx]

I hope you execute that Lich

[celest drift]

Working on it lol

[woeful jacinth]

KILL THEM

[slate yarrow]

the orowyrm got stuck and i can only approach it from one direction

and it keeps oneshotting me lmfao

this is honestly peak warframe

[hollow totem]

i found your treasure

hahahaha

[tepid dagger]

Jealous :^(

[tough comet]

Where do we find and farm ueymag?

[velvet wing]

I found some on Kullervo Island

[tepid dagger]

Prison island, yeah

[tough comet]

Do you remember how many you got from the 1 node? The frame needs 200 total

[velvet wing]

78 but I have a resource booster and resource drop chance booster on rn

[tough comet]

Aah okay thank you

[velvet wing]

So like 37 would be normal? I just found all the plants on the island and then went and killed him ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zenith jacinth]

(Which is just +5 since you don't get back the paid ones)

[tepid dagger]

Yeah, but still. You have more than you started with.

[zenith jacinth]

They can steal everything

[supple dagger]

Wally really is a troll

[celest drift]

Lich slain

[jagged sable]

Where did you find that?

[supple dagger]

Found it in the cave of Thrax Gardens and it’s behind the Albrecht statue

[wheat ether]

i've killed kullervo twice now, but im not getting any of the resource used to buy him

is there some step i'm missing

[supple dagger]

I think there’s one in like every island. These are all the other ones that I’ve found so far

Soooo apparently Kuva has Void stuff in it

B not being the right answer is crazy

[wheat ether]

does that mean that continuity didn't exist before albrecht entrati's experiment?

the way the entrati lore is written makes it seem that continuity has been going on for quite a long time

[jagged sable]

maybe Kuva came from the paradox?

[wheat ether]

i thought that the paradox was a more recent occurance though

[supple dagger]

Tbf these questions could just be Wally lying to us for his own reasons

[jagged sable]

Depends if they player chose the paradox path or not.

[supple dagger]

It’s not like we should trust what he says

[wheat ether]

either way, it'd be a very long time after even the old war that the paradox happened

[supple dagger]

B being incorrect def means Wally has plans for us lol

[wheat ether]

though now that i think about it

[nova harness]

He just called us an Avatar lol

I mean he isn’t wrong

[wheat ether]

the existence and use of kuva could've existed far before albrecht's experiment, but its composition wasn't known until later on

[supple dagger]

Wally’s being hyped up a lot too. Like maybe he’s gonna come back sooner than we think

[nova harness]

DE said he’s the focus of the next multi year narrative arc

[supple dagger]

And the fact that he laughs at you in the most villainous way when you get a question wrong is literally terrifying

So ig that creepy deep voice is literally his actual voice then

[wheat ether]

it'd be neat if they added some of the more endgame factions to the invasion system to go along with everything that's happened recently

[wheat ether]

have a link to a clip of the audio?

[supple dagger]

Lemme get one

[nova harness]

How many Tablets has Wally wrote?

[woeful jacinth]

Wallys a writer?

[nova harness]

Scroll up

[woeful jacinth]

Well thats concerning

[nova harness]

I bet he’s gonna try and take over our body again

[supple dagger]

Well I’ve found more than 9 so probably a lot

[prime lantern]

Did you ss them all?

[supple dagger]

Yea just scroll up

[supple dagger]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=F5qpaNkKMiM&feature=share8

[nova harness]

Never knew a walls laugh could be so creepy

[supple dagger]

This one makes it 10

I think it’s the last one but I could be wrong

[wheat ether]

that sounds like a tacky halloween decoration

[supple dagger]

I just got jumpscared my god

There’s a weird Duviri guy ONTOP OF THE DOMINUS CASTLE

[nova harness]

Do they talk?

[supple dagger]

He laughs pretty creepily and it almost made me drop my controller lol

[wheat ether]

the man in the ball

[balmy storm]

Well that’s new

[supple dagger]

He doesn’t talk but you can hear weird whispers

This makes it 11 and must be the final one

[balmy storm]

Can you see behind that guy’s mask?

[nova harness]

It looks like a veil

[supple dagger]

Nope

[balmy storm]

It’s a normal duviri mask

[supple dagger]

You can walk through him which means he isn’t an actual entity ig

[balmy storm]

I bet if we could see that guy’s eyes they’d be dark

[supple dagger]

He laughs tho exactly like Wally I swear

Shook me to my core lol

[balmy storm]

Someone partook in Kuva

[supple dagger]

Well Wallys officially in Duviri so Dominus is probably shaking in his boots

[nova harness]

He’s been by a few times

Thrax fears him

[inland shadow]

does it matter what i chose

[ionic sleet]

Personal preference

[inland shadow]

oh alright

[nova harness]

The only difference is appearance name and that they have different voices

[balmy storm]

Also voice lines in like 1 quest (so far)
You can change the appearance which will also change the voice, nothing else though

[zenith jacinth]

Name is permanent

[supple dagger]

Found another on Archarbor

[prime lantern]

What the helll is a legems

Light coil

Isn't that what the ai were called light coil thinkers

[nova harness]

Wally is just learning grammar

He didn’t hire someone to check his notes

[supple dagger]

Bro Wally really just knows all this stuff huh

That ones in the big Archarbor puzzle room

[prime lantern]

Hey deadpan if it's not to much to ask could you dm me all the pads you find once you believe you found all of them?

[supple dagger]

Yea np

[balmy storm]

Wait what they’re talking about the radiation wars again-

[supple dagger]

Here’s another in Thrax Gardens

[supple dagger]

Yea which Albrecht also briefly mentioned in his first recording…

[balmy storm]

Lmao, yes and yes
Wally absolutely wrote that one

Imagine if we see the radiation wars 👁️

[nova harness]

Is Void Travel safe? So long as you don’t see a clone of yourself

[supple dagger]

Looks like he has one for every Courtier too

[nova harness]

What does failed to master himself even mean?

[stray lynx]

Well Lodun's pretty prone to flying off the handle and setting things on fire.

[velvet wing]

Do those tests reward anything aside from intrinsic/resource/decree?

[supple dagger]

Well you get a creepy laugh but besides that no

Best question yet

Here’s another one

[prime lantern]

Is the correct answer always b?

I feel like the right answer is a and then what wally wants is b

Well no

[supple dagger]

No it’s usually the ones that you don’t think are correct lol

[prime lantern]

Because that last question

Ok

[nova harness]

I mean B makes sense because we don’t actually know his fate

[prime lantern]

Yea

[nova harness]

I still wonder why he calls an adult kiddo

[prime lantern]

Well nemesis if you were an eldritch being older than the stars I think everyone would be a child to you

Perhaps older than time

Since the void is outside of Linear time or time altogether

[nova harness]

I guess Entrati did say he was around long before us

Funny how he says that when Sythels words possibly retconned that

[prime lantern]

I wouldn't trust the mad ramblings of her

It also just doesn't make sense that wally could be albectrs conceptual embodiment

[nova harness]

The Void has never really made proper sense

[prime lantern]

Right but how could albectrs fear spawn essentially a god

I imagine the tenno were significantly more scared than albectr

[nova harness]

I mean Drifters emotions created Duviri

[prime lantern]

Neither is the right answer

[nova harness]

How the hell is B correct

[prime lantern]

B has to be correct because a isn't

A is the membrane

[balmy storm]

Sounds like A is the Orokin understanding and B is the truth Wally presents?

[prime lantern]

Wally can destroy timelines

[nova harness]

If Drifters emotions created Duviri I wonder if that could mean Wally built it

He seems to be seeking new careers

[balmy storm]

Duviri was built by Drifter’s emotions, emotions + void = things

[nova harness]

There’s so many lol

[supple dagger]

Ikr

[nova harness]

I heard someone say there was more than what you have found can’t remember if they said 25 or 35

[graceful zodiac]

Huh. Mild Vindication I suppose

[supple dagger]

Found this guy again laughing infront of a grave

[spark stone]

Playing through the new war, which of these kids is stalker?

[graceful zodiac]

None

[spark stone]

(on the zariman)

[graceful zodiac]

Given that he isn't a Tenno by all that's known

[nova harness]

Stalker was a lower guardian

He wasn’t even on the Zariman

[spark stone]

Hm, just looking at some of the grafiti on the wall

[nova harness]

That’s probably one of our parents or something

[supple dagger]

Ok now this is creepy

[nova harness]

They hunted us

[spark stone]

But we know stalker is angry with the tenno for "betraying" the orokin. I would have thought that maybe one of the kids is stalker and they're angry because of having been stranded

[prime lantern]

Ooooooo

No no no no no no

[nova harness]

They were angry because we killed the Orokin his job was protecting them

[supple dagger]

Yep time to log off

[spark stone]

Well, I'm thinking more... he regrets the decision of the tenno whom he then denounced

[steady gate]

Where’s that one?

[wild wind]

Low guard is his position, the same way Lavos was a jailer. He could very well have been a Tenno. Kullervo's own lore shows that not every Tenno was instantly onboard with the rebellion.

[supple dagger]

It’s in the giant cave that’s in the snowy area

Interesting question, Wally

[prime lantern]

Bitter tea? Kuva

The kuva was described as boiling in vorunas leverian

[spark stone]

Lol Archon Amar and their "crotch"

[prime lantern]

No it can't kuva

[nova harness]

Stalker didn’t even know Warframes had Tenno until TSD

[prime lantern]

The continuity process was loud and full of music

[prime lantern]

I mean to be fair neither did we

[supple dagger]

Here’s the specific location

[steady gate]

Thank

[supple dagger]

Alright that’s the last one I could find. I’ve found a pad for every Courtier except Mathila so maybe it appears during her Spiral?

[pseudo willow]

I like how bombastine is the most dangerous you’d expect it to be lodun

[pseudo willow]

Oh shoot that must be Albrechts grave

[supple dagger]

For the Sythel question it’s B

[pseudo willow]

The one about the eighteenth radiation war is super interesting to me

[supple dagger]

And the answer for the Did you forget question is A

@prime lantern

[pseudo willow]

I always wanted to learn more about factions and events that happened in between the collapse and the awakening

[steady gate]

And this is a neat way to go about it

[pseudo willow]

Indeed

They need to bring back pieces of forgotten lore and things only mentioned once

[supple dagger]

Ignore the reposted Sythel question that was an accident

[supple dagger]

Radiation Wars was mentioned by Albrecht so it’s interesting how Wally knows about the history of the Orokin that’s that far back

[pseudo willow]

What wah when?

[supple dagger]

His first log thats in the secret Necralisk room

[pseudo willow]

Kk thanks

[prime lantern]

The answer to the second is a because the answer to the first is b

[pseudo willow]

Is there any other pieces of lore that mention past eras and events?

[supple dagger]

They’re both B. I tried A for both of them and it was wrong

[pseudo willow]

Like in styanax’s leverian drusus mentioned a smaragdine age

Or the serro lore mentioned rebels from sedna

[prime lantern]

The real answer is a to the second

Why wally lists it as forbidden knowledge I'm not sure

[supple dagger]

Wally do be weird

[real niche]

He hates when someone is better than him, duh

[prime lantern]

He's also pissed that we have finger

[supple dagger]

That question made me think I was gonna get jumpscared as soon as I quit out of that screen lol

[prime lantern]

I would too

Is that all of the data pads?

[supple dagger]

Ones that I’ve found so far. I counted 23 but someone said that there’s 25

[prime lantern]

Intresting

What could the bitter tea be

[hybrid hatch]

so anyone know whats up with the locked room in kullervo's hold? i turned the statues and unlocked it but...there's nothing inside?

[supple dagger]

Ik for a fact Mathila has one near her but I couldn’t find it

[supple dagger]

You have to be in Anger, Sorrow, or Fear moods in order for something to be in it

[hybrid hatch]

i mean, i was. i did the kulervo special mission thing

[supple dagger]

I also did that but I found out that you need to be in Duviri Experience and not lone story cause the special mission puts you into lone story for some reason

[hybrid hatch]

...well dang. time to try again, thanks

[supple dagger]

Np

[tepid dagger]

That makes sense. It counts as a side mission, I suppose. Like the Archarbor puzzle.

[prime lantern]

What could the bitter tea be

It's something that requires silence so it's not kuva

[supple dagger]

We need Anroid31 or Atsia to decipher this ngl

[smoky skiff]

oh dis be where da pads are ok so repeating what i said in lore because im dumb and didn't see spoiler chat. but has anyone figured out if there is anything to the data pads yet i've found 28 of them so far and nothing as of yet

[pseudo willow]

Yuvan, oro?

[balmy storm]

It isn’t Oro

[prime lantern]

Why would oro be bitter tea

[pseudo willow]

Idk I’m just throwing words out

[prime lantern]

You can't serve oro

[pseudo willow]

HAHAHA

[balmy storm]

Aren’t Yuvans the name given to those who will be in in the continuity process

[prime lantern]

I believe so

[smoky skiff]

they are

[pseudo willow]

yes as those who are having their minds wiped and replaced

[jagged sable]

yeah, they're the ones that get body-snatched by the Orokin

[prime lantern]

I don't think it's kuva because during the continuity process loud music is played

[balmy storm]

The bitter tea may just be a very bitter tea, just another part of a ceremony

[smoky skiff]

bitter tea might be insinuating poisoned tea

[prime lantern]

Perhaps

[balmy storm]

Break silence could be referring to the silence of the individuals, not that it’s silent in the room

There is music, but no talking

[prime lantern]

I imagine the orokin try to find the least damaging method of killing there host

[supple dagger]

28?? I’ve only found 23 so far lol

[prime lantern]

Post them all

[prime lantern]

Maybe

[balmy storm]

Maybe the bitter tea is bluva 😛

[smoky skiff]

if only i could. i'll look into maybe getting it in like an imgur post or something

[prime lantern]

Does bluva even exist

It was mentioned once in a Halloween story

[balmy storm]

An Orokin directly mentions it, but she’s tricky so who knows

[prime lantern]

It was also a Halloween story no

[smoky skiff]

think i got like 50 images of the data pads cause ofc the pad its self and the location

[balmy storm]

That story is either
A. Just a story
B. A personal experience flavored to be spooky

[pseudo willow]

Uhhh we never know if it’s real or not

[prime lantern]

Actually I think it's real

[nova harness]

How many you find?

[pseudo willow]

The little gorl on that story was probably her

[smoky skiff]

28

[prime lantern]

Albecrti mentions continuity and it twins, wanderlust

Perhaps bluva is said wanderlust

[balmy storm]

If it is real I’d assume it’s harder to find, since it’s probably some kinda diluted kuva

[smoky skiff]

poor mans kuva

[balmy storm]

Or an altered kuva

[prime lantern]

Hmm

[balmy storm]

Still used by the Orokin so nah

[prime lantern]

The kuva is a void based liquid according to wally

[smoky skiff]

even within the orokin there are those lower on the rung then others

[supple dagger]

Were there any interesting questions that you found?

[balmy storm]

If bluva exists I’m guessing it’s an altered form or kuva

[smoky skiff]

let me have a little look through them cause there are a few that are intresting

[smoky skiff]

@supple dagger

[prime lantern]

If wally is correct it seems the things from the void have a weakness to the void

[smoky skiff]

(B and B) for both

[prime lantern]

Hmmmm

Galleria

[supple dagger]

Yea I’ve seen those ones too

Actually wait not the Galleria one huh

Do you know where you found the Galleria one?

[smoky skiff]

mhm, its in a little cave behind a bush just south of fair shores hamlet

[supple dagger]

So many caves…so little time smh

[graceful zodiac]

Now that's interesting. Kuva isn't of the Void, but it has a Void-derived property...

[supple dagger]

Yea that one had me confuzzled

[smoky skiff]

i went back and looked through some of the fragment locations and that one popped up so ofc i checked it to see if a pad was there. low and behold there was

[supple dagger]

Did you find a pad that mentioned Mathila in any way?

[smoky skiff]

yes i did in fact

[supple dagger]

Or maybe someone named Garmi?

[smoky skiff]

not one for garmi yet

[supple dagger]

Interesting

Could you send the Mathila one?

[smoky skiff]

sure. little house just to the side of the large pools

now that you mentioned garmi i hope there is a pad that mentions him

[supple dagger]

I respect you for finding that one lol. I tried searching eveywhere for it but couldn’t find it at all

[prime lantern]

What's the answer?

[smoky skiff]

tbf i have spent like the better part of the day searching for all these

[supple dagger]

Probably B

[smoky skiff]

B

[prime lantern]

Figured

Wally knows things he couldn't possibly know

[near rune]

Yo?

[prime lantern]

How would he know what the radiation wars even were

[prime lantern]

Hello Grey we found a ton of datapads

[supple dagger]

My guess is he stole memories from Albrecht when he first entered the Void

[prime lantern]

Maybe

[supple dagger]

Albrecht did say that he had smoke coming out from his skull

[smoky skiff]

wait there's a pad that mentions that?

[supple dagger]

In the Archarbor puzzle room

[prime lantern]

The void is the realm of the mind and he does possess at a minimum some telepathic abilities

[smoky skiff]

oh god. i thought there wasn't one in there. well 29 pads now then

[supple dagger]

Jeez

[nova harness]

Wally seems to have that power where you know everything

[prime lantern]

Omniscients

[supple dagger]

Theres probably over 30 pads if Octo didn’t find the ones I did

[nova harness]

Yeah there’s so many omnis I can never remember which is which

[smoky skiff]

just like the protomolecule FR FR

[hybrid hatch]

..so what does answering these tablets even do

[prime lantern]

There's only 2 that matter
Omnipresence everywhere everytime
Omniscients you know EVERYTHING

[near rune]

Oh I've just started finding the data pads myself. They're super cool

[nova harness]

Think Wally can be everywhere at once?

[prime lantern]

He's definitely everytime

[near rune]

There's so much more lore in this update than I was expecting. Did you know they went and added more lore to the Duviri decorations?

[supple dagger]

@smoky skiff do you mind checking from here if there’s any pads(besides the Radiation Wars one) that you haven’t found?

[near rune]

Like not a lot but still

[supple dagger]

There’s a l o t

[prime lantern]

And atleast in the void he's everywhere

[nova harness]

The scariest pad where he mentioned the body being his

[supple dagger]

Yea that one means he has plans for us

[prime lantern]

In androids words he has an infinite dimensional presence

[prime lantern]

Which pad?

This one?

[supple dagger]

That one

[prime lantern]

Oh

Yea he wants our body

[prime lantern]

Also I pick option c
Death

[nova harness]

This pad is scary

[supple dagger]

That one’s the scariest lol

[smoky skiff]

i could try and have a look

i mean after all you guys did find one i didn't

[prime lantern]

I think having the eldritch horror that's older than time pissed at us is a bad idea

[supple dagger]

Thanks for that

[supple dagger]

I’m betting at Tennocon they’re gonna reveal giant finger monsters

[prime lantern]

Like spy kids?

The thumbs

[nova harness]

Doesn’t Wally not really care about anything that’s why he’s indifferent

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbthumb-thumb-jason-spykids-spy-gif-5917200

[supple dagger]

More like the finger monster that attacked the Galleria lol

But yea ig those count too

[prime lantern]

What is evil but indifferent

And we don't know what wally is indifferent to

He very clearly cares about something

[nova harness]

Taking our body

[prime lantern]

He could indifferent to the new Ben and Jerry's ice cream flavor

He could be indifferent to the tennos slaughter

[nova harness]

He could be indifferent to everything but one thing

[smoky skiff]

hmmmm well looking through seems like there isn't any ones you guys got that i didn't so think we are synced. gonna give a another look over and check for what i have that you guys missed

[graceful zodiac]

He makes it pretty clear, he's gunning for his fingers

[prime lantern]

He also wants our body

[supple dagger]

Alright, thanks again

[nova harness]

I genuinely think his plan was already told to us when he tried to escape through Entrati

[pseudo willow]

He wanted escape and he got it twice

[smoky skiff]

no problem lore hunting is fun and alot easier as a group

[supple dagger]

Lol yea

[nova harness]

Even Duviri says their master will be free

[pseudo willow]

He lost his finger in the attempt of trying to exit the void in albrechts lab so he likely had another motive before that

[graceful zodiac]

I doubt he wants our body. He already has one and is trying to make it complete again

[atomic lynx]

I mean have you seen those abominations?! What happened to just high quality ice cream in a pint?! Why does everything have to have marshmallows?!?

[supple dagger]

@graceful zodiac cough

[prime lantern]

-eldritch abomination on the new ice cream flavor

[atomic lynx]

Still better than marshmallows

[prime lantern]

Wally is just looking for a good pint of ice cream

[smoky skiff]

dont think you guys got this one right?

(B)

[supple dagger]

Yea that’s a new one

[atomic lynx]

Nice find!

[smoky skiff]

on a lounge chair near the lunaro court

[supple dagger]

So there’s 30 then

Hopefully that’s all of them

[smoky skiff]

nah this one was logged already by me

[orchid remnant]

yeah it's not like wallman is trying to teach us public architecture

[smoky skiff]

so still 29

[supple dagger]

Ohh nvm

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah which is in line with the other half dozen questions about Orokin workings in general. Not all of it is directly related to Wally

[orchid remnant]

maybe you have to pry the last one from the rubble in kullervo's prison!

[supple dagger]

Yea there could still be one more over there

Cause no way DE makes 29 and not 30

[hybrid hatch]

anyhting happen when you answer all of them?

[nova harness]

Wally could very well be saying something but meaning something else

[supple dagger]

Don’t know but that’s something that I would like to try

And then there’s the case of the weird “Duviri” guy who appears infront of that one grave stone and ontop of Thrax’s castle

Who also laughs just like Wally

[nova harness]

Wally invading Duviri again maybe

[smoky skiff]

ok so you guys are missing these two as well right (answers (A and A)

[supple dagger]

He jumpscared me so bad so it must he him lol or like a manifestation of him

[hybrid hatch]

i was on top of the castle earlier and didnt se him, so maybe he moves around

[supple dagger]

Yea most likely

[hybrid hatch]

does he do/say anyhting?

[supple dagger]

Oh I found those 2 but forgot to take an ss of them

[smoky skiff]

ah ok we synced then

[supple dagger]

He just laughs when you first approach him and that’s it

[supple dagger]

Lol yea. I really wanna try and look for more tho to see if there’s a 30th one

[nova harness]

The weird thing is Wally is the reason Albretcht didn’t take whatever gave them immortality and being on top of the Palace could indicate something he’s gonna do there

[smoky skiff]

he's also missing a finger and has black eyes like those in some of the lost islands fragments but the eye's thing might just be a lazy model thing cause of the mask

[supple dagger]

That same finger is also missing on the Wally Wall so yea that confirms it’s him in some way. Good catch

[nova harness]

It’s locations are also weird

He is technically the reason Albretcht Didn’t take the thing to cheat death

And bring on the Palace roof could be his next location

Wouldn’t put it past him

[smoky skiff]

hmmmm i wonder if there is another data pad on the amphitheater cause there have been two on the other two

[pseudo willow]

I found mathilas

Answer is B

Near north wind village’s waterfall by its second circle down to the left

[supple dagger]

Or maybe some of the pads only appear during certain moods?

[smoky skiff]

doubt it

[autumn turret]

Well they do because their islands depend on mood

[smoky skiff]

oh ye but thats a given

ok think i looked around everywhere on there but not an extra one at the amphitheater

[tepid dagger]

Why does the answer matter?

[jagged sable]

get an answer right, you hear Wally speak a word.

Answer it wrong, he just laughs at you.

[supple dagger]

You’ll basically get nightmares if you hear Wallys laugh

[prime lantern]

Did

Did you just miss spell nightmare

[atomic saddle]

Anyone else think the new Warden sounds and looks like Ballas?

[pliant spade]

same va ig

[prime lantern]

That's probably intentional

[atomic saddle]

well yeah, I wasn't implying that they accidently made a character who looks just like him and uses the same voice actor.

[wild wind]

I mean. The whole thing is Kullervo torturing himself for his crimes, going by the explanations on his prison and the nursery rhymes.

He sided with the Orokin against the Tenno until his Archimedian was killed. Then he decided to go the other direction, and started undermining the Orokin. When the Tenno arrived, Kullervo went after Ballas, who presumably punted him into the Void.

Simultaneously giving Ballas the notion that throwing the Tenno into the Void works, and inserting Kullervo into the Paradox and Duviri.

[prime lantern]

Can't kill it

Throw it to the abyss

Those are my favorite kind of solutions

Upthere with exodus overkill explosives

[wild wind]

Hey it would have worked too if Wally weren't a cheating cheater who cheated

[supple dagger]

Or if Ballas just didn’t cut off Lotus’s hand

[wild wind]

Oh, that was predestined. Remember, the hand that Wally shakes the Operator's hand with is her hand.

[prime lantern]

Perhaps

[orchid remnant]

i wonder why the Warden is there then; did Ballas send along a piece of himself, or did Duviri recognize Kullervo's history and sort of create the Warden itself? Acrithis says that he is definitely Duviri-born, but he acts as if he is from the other side

[wild wind]

I think it's Kullervo's void manifeststion, like how Yonta created Skittergirl and Drifter created Thrax/Duviri

[graceful zodiac]

He wasn't with the Orokin, he just went Rogue from the start. Killing without permission, hiding when the Orokin tried to cull tenno/frames, not doing anything when the tenno came

[prime lantern]

Did kullevero not have a tenno

The wording of his crimes makes me believe he lacks a tenno