spoiler-chat

[wild copper]

So... The operator and drifter that have been fighting rampant and destructive empires all this time... Trying to bring peace to a system overrun by greedy and destructive forces... Were the ones that started it... For no reason other than their own enjoyment
I don't know about that one chief

[obtuse gyro]

I mean you dont even have to do AMA7 citations, but you never explained where youre getting your opinions from

[sage pond]

by playing the game, probably

[obtuse gyro]

you just state something that appears to greatly go against what we know and then leave us to pick the pieces

[wild copper]

^

[obtuse gyro]

we cant even begin to understand your opinion because we dont know under what basis is it formed

[sage pond]

but im telling you not to do it, its personal opinion and thinking over what might be happening
were yet to learn whats going on

[wild copper]

Yes, but we have strong evidence due to events that take place in the game and in the lore
And your "opinions" are lacking in that evidence

[sage pond]

and?

[wild copper]

And you're just stating them here expecting no one to ask how you came to that conclusion

[obtuse gyro]

Its akin to saying McDonald's is spelt WcDonald's and when we ask "how" you say "its just my opinion"

[sage pond]

yes and?

[wild copper]

Aight, question answered
No lore discussions with this individual

[sage pond]

if someone told the players 7 years ago that the lotus will try to straight up kill us
everyone wouldve said "its nonsense"
but here we are, post new war, where lotus straight up failed to assasinate us

[wild copper]

Again, you made a claim that goes against the lore of the game, when asked for an explanation, you've given none and just said "it's my opinion, deal with it"
So it is now my opinion that nothing you say in this channel carries any weight whatsoever

[sage pond]

ok

[wild copper]

I have my own theories, but I don't go around dropping them in lore channels without prefacing them as my own theories and presenting them as fact with no explanation

[autumn turret]

wally is verifiably a different entity to us, and him looking like us is merely how he prefers to present himself to us

[supple dagger]

Sythel previously said she’s scared that the undercroft is so close to the void, and so is Dominus because of “him”. Im assuming she’s talking about Wally here?

[obtuse gyro]

Yep

If you visit her in her shack she will reference wally more

[autumn turret]

thats the only sensible assumption too

[obtuse gyro]

Such as the blacked eyed children or claiming that wally is albretch's fear manifested

[sage pond]

ok so technically than, albreight 1 shotted the entire orokin empire by merely staring at a mirror for a while

[autumn turret]

he started a domino chain that ended up killing the orokin empire

with ballas adding ALOT of the dominos inbetween

[sage pond]

albreight made us by looking at himself in a mirror, and we 1 shot his entire generation and almost erased his race
interesting

[obtuse gyro]

Ballas definitely added all the funky steps

[autumn turret]

he didnt directly make us, just inadvertantly put the steps in motion

[wild copper]

Might as well be saying that Thomas Edison created the 4k monitor

[sage pond]

so if the ultimate outcome is that a bunch of children slaughtering the entire orokin race
i guess its safe to assume that albreight's greatest fear in his life was children
interesting, interesting

[wild copper]

Given how much we know about Wally, I wouldn't doubt that he's simply a being of the void who does and creates whatever he wants just because he can
And if that's the case, it's not that wild to think that he likes scaring the crap out of people and giving children godlike powers just for the hell of it

[graceful zodiac]

The only thing you said to try and justify your theory is that Time doesn't exist in the void, which isn't fully true either

[late jay]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, there'd be Duviri on the Zariman

[supple dagger]

Doesn’t Wally appear as the person that’s looking at them?

[orchid remnant]

what if evrey Tennol... Seceretyl Our Operato.... :O 😲

[cyan crest]

Every tenno is me but I'm moving very fast so it seems like I'm a lot of people

[paper bronze]

What if the tenno are all just imperfect clem clones

[hollow totem]

ouf, found a bug where if you have 2 of the same frame on its rotation it chooses a random a random frame

[autumn turret]

huh, never seen that

[hollow totem]

i have 2 nekros 😂 it chose my unforma one

[autumn turret]

ah i see what you mean now

[woven cypress]

Pet bunny rabbit is the goat

[hollow totem]

its too late i join dark side, i am one of the clones now

[woven cypress]

Why can’t we get them yet

[hollow totem]

what does the owl do in shop?

[woven cypress]

Decor

[hollow totem]

ouf i thought companion for drifter

[paper bronze]

It's a birb. The closest we get to birb companions.

[hollow totem]

titania best warframe now for wyrm

[hollow totem]

what does the decree energy recovery when hp is full do with hildryn?

[wicked burrow]

My guess would be noting like the arcane energize, since Hildryn don’t use energy

[frail nymph]

Fills the transference bar.

[hollow totem]

for hildryn

[frail nymph]

Yes that's what I'm trying to imply... That it does nothing for Hildryn

Well either that or your shields never stop regenerating which isn't super useful but definitely nifty.

[hollow totem]

so it does recharge her shields then ?

[frail nymph]

Idk

I'm just bored

[broken lodge]

Working on this one for few days now
Still missing few for sure.. 😭
For sure will update this in the next few days but this is it for now.
What do you guys think? 🤔

[autumn turret]

very nice

lemme see if i have seen any not present here

ooh yea i can see you're missing an arcabor one

theres one that spawns at the lower left bridge

[broken lodge]

🤨 ohhh

Time to get that one now i guess

[autumn turret]

what it looks like for reference

[broken lodge]

Ohhh okay thanks

❤️

[autumn turret]

theres alot for sure

[broken lodge]

Ye i know

I might need to resize the map to add some space for the pictures i guess

[autumn turret]

ill have double check but i think one also spawns at neighbor's outlook to look out for that spawns right by the fishing spot

im just not precisely sure if thats the location

[broken lodge]

Added the one under the bridge at Archarbor.

[autumn turret]

i unfortunately didnt take a pic of the one by the fishing spot, since i didnt have any problems in figuring it out

[broken lodge]

Added them thank you didnt know about those.

[supple dagger]

I love you

[broken lodge]

No actually.. I love you.

[hollow totem]

archharbor has 3, 1 is solo

its on the bridge where you 1st teleported to

[broken lodge]

👍 Already added few new ones.

[hollow totem]

alright

ty

[hollow totem]

oh wait it is not solo it duo

i forgot about platform

[broken lodge]

👍 ye ye double checking everything now
Still missing few for sure.

[hollow totem]

he alive but we got chest open 😂

[balmy storm]

Free treasure :]

[hollow totem]

did you got behind amphis theater ?

[viscid quarry]

Now kill luscinia for more loot

[hollow totem]

he bugged no rings also

[viscid quarry]

Rip leave the worm for next spiral then

[broken lodge]

Nope unlucky with theater spawns

[hollow totem]

there is 1 behind it

duo

[broken lodge]

Ye i know about that one
Trying to get solo ones tho since i cant get duo ones now.

[hollow totem]

it seems all puzzles spawn after 2hours

because when i check no puzzles appear but after few hours they appear

[broken lodge]

I dont think so its just random, i was few times in the mission for 2 hours and didnt had few still. I can get some spawns from a start thats why im still aborting and going again.

[late jay]

All quests completed now

Now I have more time to farm Zariman and Duviri stuff

[molten raft]

does anyone know if there are any duviri lore fragments that are specific to a mood spiral? or are all of them locatable (except amphitheater and archabor)

[obtuse gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2968522746

[molten raft]

very lovely, thanks

[wispy stag]

got my courtly shawzin woot

[viscid quarry]

How is it like

[cosmic star]

Im doing the New War and..im so confused

Why is Hunhow helping the Drifter? Isn't he a sentient? Is he just angry Erra...his son? Killed Natah / Lotus?

[viscid quarry]

Hunhow and drifter both want one thing: to bring back natah

Sentient or not narmer won’t stop and well to put in space family terms

Space grandpa stopped being racist to you in order to find and bring back your lost space mom

[cosmic star]

Oh....

And for some Reason..Erra uhhh errr ive no idea tbh lol

Guess Ill just beat it and hope I understnad

[ripe tinsel]

erra resides in a bit of a weird motivation quagmire where he just wants power for no real apparent reason

insofar i recall anyway

[nocturne spade]

I dont necessarily think he wanted power, it looked a lot like he wanted to impress Hunhow in my opinion, but it backfired

[cosmic star]

BUt like what confuses me is Hunhow is mad that Erra is working with Ballas but Ballas was literally in chains and a collar. How did Ballas end up with ANY power when Erra was enslaving him?

[frail nymph]

Erra just wants the Sentients to win... That's about jt

[frail nymph]

The chains were a lie to help manipulate Lotus

[cosmic star]

Oh...

[frail nymph]

As soon as they give up on manipulating Lotus and throw her into the fire and burn her up, Erra drops the leash.

[cosmic star]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yes I do recall that. I thought that meant...idfk what I thought but not that it was a lie.

Okay and in the OLD WAR ballas...BETRAYED Orokin correct?

Thats why hes still alive?

[frail nymph]

Erra didn't want Lotus to realise Ballas was Ballas but rather just some random Orokin. And didn't want her to think to much about their plans either.

[frail nymph]

Yes

[cosmic star]

He poisoned their Warframes to help the Sentients?

[frail nymph]

I guess he could've been hanging out with sentients the whole time sure

[cosmic star]

Cool aight I Got a solid grip ont he story. TIME TO FINISH th enew war >:D

[frail nymph]

He just revealed the existence of the tenno and their location

[cosmic star]

Then Lotus / Natah was like nah dawg I like these Kids

and she became Margulus or w.e

[frail nymph]

Yes, for reasons you'll see later in the NW quest

[cosmic star]

okay coolio

The quality of this quest is like insane. I pray theres more of this type of content in the future

[quasi veldt]

so since duviri came out they offered arcane adapters for resources and a newer player I know grabbed one but can't see the slot to insert it, do they have to complete the whole starchart to use the item from the tutorial quest shop? or is this a bug or something sorry to bug just wondered

[ripe tinsel]

the problem is that this was never actually hinted, alluded to or even just said

honestly the motivation for starting the new war is just flimsy in general since there is basically nothing for the sentient to care about there aside from the tenno and anything void related

and if they had wanted to stop the tenno they shouldve gone after the heart, which they did not do

[nocturne spade]

The only thing was Natah. Because we know both erra and ballas have used her. Erra just comes to his senses wayyy too late.

[ripe tinsel]

they instead enslaved the entire solar system because we needed a new war and this is what you get

[nocturne spade]

The new war was about ballas mostly. It wasn't for the sentients, erra was just along for the ride.

The entirety of the new war was ballas in a way, i guess wanting to be worshipped by everyone. Or smthn along those lines

[ripe tinsel]

pretty much, its mostly just something that ballas wanted

even then im not really sure if that entirely fits within ballas' motivations but i dont actually recall them much

the primary one is just that he loved margulis in the past and that lotus is modeled after her, but he didnt end up doing much with that other than manipulate natah

[cosmic star]

lol the drifter hints at the horses in the new war. 'cant be harder thanr iding a horse' lol

So...The Drifter was stuck in this Paradox by Thrax who we have no idea who they are...and we dont know what Duiviri is...

The story gets p interesting. Kinda.

[frail nymph]

They don't necessarily know about the heart, not to the fact that it's well defended cause you can't Narmer infestation.

[frail nymph]

What's flimsy about wanting your faction to win against the enemy?

[frail nymph]

Enslaving it was the main method for them to even be able to win so decisively.
And why would they bother killing after everything is enslaved?

[wispy jasper]

Ballas is pretty much just a destructive narcissist, from what I gathered. There was never an endgame which would bring him satisfaction. He was always going to find more reasons to go his path.

[frail nymph]

As for focusing very much on the time period of latter parts of New War, his goal was to get Margulis back and go to Lua

[ripe tinsel]

the question here is why there is an enemy in the first place

why are they identified as the enemy?

nobody there poses an active threat to the sentient yet the entire origin system got hit

[ripe tinsel]

i didnt say it was a choice between enslaving and killing, i just question them bothering with that to begin with

like, why is that a goal

the original goal of the old war was ending the orokin because they were just going to go to tau and end up ruining two systems
then the orokin died and the problem was solved

[frail nymph]

As far as the Sentients are concerned, everyone from the Origin System is Orokin

[ripe tinsel]

are they?

[frail nymph]

And the Tenno still existed, which were the main faction they warred with

[ripe tinsel]

do they really think that? the closest i think we ever got to anything resembling the idea that everyone is orokin is basically just hunhow calling alad orokin

[frail nymph]

Finally, what else are they gonna do? Float around with an amassed army to do... Nothing?

[ripe tinsel]

yes

why in gods name do they need an amassed army

[frail nymph]

They already had it

[ripe tinsel]

the ruling caste they actually had a problem with is gone

[frail nymph]

They didn't care about the nuances, probably didn't even know about them.

[ripe tinsel]

the tenno are a non issue because theyre not going to tau, they have no reason to be there, and they dont cause any problems otherwise

youre concluding this based on what?

[frail nymph]

The Grineer were used to fight Sentients, the Corpus fought Sentients, Tenno fought Sentients. They're all sworn enemies to the Sentient soldiers that came to the origin system

[frail nymph]

Based on the lore...?

[ripe tinsel]

yeah no which specific lore

because the grineer for example were used for a number of purposes, they were disposable drones

furthermore, why are they enemies now

[cosmic star]

This Balaas fight is BS.

Lotus keeps dying

[frail nymph]

Git gud lok

[stray lynx]

I mean, there’s always the possibility that Tau is also in a similarly wrecked state to the Origin system. Or at least in a very different state to how it was during the war. The sentients have had thousands of years to grow and change just as the origin system has.

[cosmic star]

Not a lack of getting gud lol

[ripe tinsel]

there is that possibility, had they written anything suggesting it, which they didnt

[frail nymph]

Everything we know about how the War developed, with Grineer specimens bred for War, how the Sentients attack the regular colonies, the original plan from Hunhow to delete everyone after the Orokin were killed by Tenno...

Then in more specific cases, Teshin reflecting that the soldiers on both sides were made to hate without reflection.

[frail nymph]

Because the corpus or Grineer would never worn along with Sentient, and sentient would never worn along with Tenno without Lotus helping.

They're not just gonna sleep forever till death on the edge of the system.

[ripe tinsel]

wait, where was it mentioned that hunhow wanted to delete everyone

[real niche]

On the Tenno side for fighting the Sentients, their conception was brought about because the Sentients were a thorn in the Orokin's side.

As per The Sacrifice.

[ripe tinsel]

so, the reason why im asking this is because they need to have a solid reason to venture towards the origin system in the first place

not getting along is not an issue if youre not going there in the first place

but for some reason, they want to go there, and its not really well established why anyone cares insofar i can tell

[stray lynx]

Wasn’t the sentients original plan during the old war to detonate the sun? I vaguely remember that coming up during one of the New War railjack sequences

[frail nymph]

They have always been in the Origin System.

[ripe tinsel]

why in gods name would they want to detonate the sun

that was ballas' plan

[frail nymph]

It was not

[ripe tinsel]

ballas wanted to use it as fuel for praghsa to go to tau

[stray lynx]

No more Origin system equals no more Orokin

[frail nymph]

Praghasa's original purpose was exactly that

[ripe tinsel]

the orokin are gone and the only evidence ive heard so far that the sentient are too dumb to recognize the distinction between golden men and not golden men is basically alad

[frail nymph]

Ballas's plan was the version that killed everyone except himself

[ripe tinsel]

im going to need some sources for this hold on

[frail nymph]

You really think Alad isn't gonna delete the sentients and use them for tech if he can?

[stray lynx]

Erra’s actually pretty compassionate to humans by sentient standards

[frail nymph]

The New War quest explicitly states it was Praghasa's original purpose.

[ripe tinsel]

oh yeah youre right

that is absolutely insane why would they want to do that when the entire reason why they went to war with the orokin was because the orokin were ruining the origin system

this actually just makes it worse

[frail nymph]

Because in the end Orokin are just humanity

And humanity would do the same, which they have now in the form of Corpus and Grineer.

[ripe tinsel]

ok where in the game is it mentioned that orokin is just humanity from the sentient point of view

[thick jolt]

No humanity =no threat to tau

[real niche]

They were also going to ruin Tau and the Sentient's pulled a The Incredibles and realized their creators' plans are dumb and stupid.

[frail nymph]

I'm not talking about just a Sentient point of view. The Orokin are just humanity objectively speaking.

Grinner and Corpus have been destroying things exactly like Orokin did. Not as fast but also not as elegantly

[ripe tinsel]

so its not that humanity is orokin but that humanity is destructive, but where exactly was this mentioned that this is why the sentient are attacking sol

[thick jolt]

Aladv clearly isnt of the orokin caste so when hunhow calls him orokin he isnt making a distinction in the second dream i think

[frail nymph]

The Sentients fought back because humanity, which at the time happened to be ruled by Orokin, brought ruin to the Origin System. What else is there to mention?

[ripe tinsel]

because we are making a distinction here between orokin and humanity, and you are claiming the distinction doesnt exist, yet the only source is alad v being called orokin

[cosmic star]

wow the New War was absolutely INSANE. That quality was crazy.

I...legit am confused by the story lol.

[ripe tinsel]

is at any point in the game mentioned that the sentient have a problem with humanity in general

because this is the first time im hearing it

[frail nymph]

There cannot be any distinction.

Orokin IS humanity.

[ripe tinsel]

no, you are claiming that

[frail nymph]

The word humanity doesn't exist in the Warframe universe. You're asking for an impossible reference

[ripe tinsel]

you are claiming that orokin is humanity when orokin has largely been definied as the ruling caste of the orokin empire, which is a different thing

[cosmic star]

So - The Lotus IS Natah right? Hunhows Daughter?

[frail nymph]

All of the Orokin Empire is humanity

Orokin are human.

[ripe tinsel]

so there is a humanity, and there is an orokin ruling above them

[cosmic star]

And for some reason NATAH decides to become Margulus AKA Lotus?

[frail nymph]

No

[ripe tinsel]

once again, can you point out that the sentient do not make a distinction

[frail nymph]

Both the rulers and the ones below are human.

[ripe tinsel]

is this ever mentioned

[frail nymph]

Yes, there is no alien faction in the game, there are only humans

[ripe tinsel]

ok you cannot actually come up with an in game source

[frail nymph]

You're just being dense. It's impossible for the word human to exist in the game. The word is just not used in Warframe lore.

[ripe tinsel]

once again, i dont care that you claim that orokin is humanity, i care if the sentient claim that orokin is humanity, and i want a direct reference to the sentient holding this view

if you cannot do that you are arguing an empty point

[frail nymph]

Orokin was the ingame lore word for humanity until the empire ended.

[thick jolt]

Albrecht mentions the time before void tech and implies they still lived on earth which is the birthplace of humanity
So to me that implies the orokin are indeed humanity

[frail nymph]

Humanity is just a category we use outside the game. The definition of humanity is a definition that applies aptly to the entire Orokin Empire

[ripe tinsel]

i am seeing several times ballas himself mentions 'human'

im not sure if this is in any way relevant to what you consider to be the recognition of a 'humanity' but they do at least have recognition of their own species as human

[frail nymph]

Oh I didn't remember that, guess there are also namesake references to being human.

[ripe tinsel]

lotus does it several times

this is why i wanted a specific source on the sentient viewpoint

[frail nymph]

What exactly do you want in the source? What do you want it to explain?

[ripe tinsel]

at what points in the story is it conveyed that the sentient do not make a distinction between humanity as a whole and the orokin

and thus would make it make sense for them to wage war on the origin system

[frail nymph]

At the point when their motivation is defined: when it is described that they hate who they hate because of the tendency to destroy.

Hated the Orokin because Orokin destroyed the Origin System.

Would continue to hate the remaining factions that have now become the modern system because the same continues.

And of course it continues, it's humanity after all.

[ripe tinsel]

so, the reason why they hated the orokin was that they recognized them to be destroyers, as they were ruining the origin system
they sent the sentient to tau to terraform it, but the sentient realized that they would just muck this system up just as hard as the previous one
and so they waged war to defend tau

because they didnt want the orokin coming over there

[frail nymph]

Yes, the fighting began on the Tau side so it was most likely defense-first.

But we don't know for sure

[ripe tinsel]

the orokin never actually managed to interact with tau

they never went there, the sentient attacked first

[frail nymph]

Wrong

[ripe tinsel]

oh?

[frail nymph]

The fighting began in the Tau system. There's even a mag prime entry about mag saving someone it Tau

[ripe tinsel]

uh
warframes were developed later

they were made in response to the sentient

[frail nymph]

Oh wait there's a chance it began with tiny sentient incursions into the Origin system but tiny incursions and not full war.

[frail nymph]

Yeah but I'm talking about how we know that there was war on the Tau side.

[ripe tinsel]

im not quite getting from the mag entry that it was happening in tau

im also not recalling any references to the attacks being made on tau first

[frail nymph]

There's no 100% confirmation either way, but there is 0% dialogue based implication that Sentients attacked first. (That I know of)

Ballas has said things like "and so we came to War." While Lotus said "and then the Golden Wrath came"

[ripe tinsel]

everything i remember indicates that the orokin were on the defensive

lemme check the golden wrath

golden wrath gives some credence yeah

lemme see if i can find anything else

[frail nymph]

It makes no sense for Sentients to attack in force first. They wouldn't risk going barren.

[ripe tinsel]

iirc hunhow specifically went on the offensive

[frail nymph]

Hunhow came to the Origin system after Ballas revealed the Tenno weakness after lifetimes of Warframe War, yes

Even after they were losing to the Warframes and Ballas revealed that the Tenno are a weakness, it was still a risk to come to the Origin System because of the void flaw.

So they had backups like Natah being born in preparation, and Praghasa's plan to eat the Sun.

[ripe tinsel]

natah got subverted, praghasa was never used

thus the old war came to an end with the orokin dead and the tenno taking a nap under lotus' wings

yeye

[frail nymph]

To a pause, really.

Because the Sentient went to sleep expecting Lotus to kill all the Tenno leaving the system defenseless

[frail nymph]

And then when the Sentients woke up, they would at least want to finish things for these reasons here

Not just that, but the Sentient army was stranded on the edge of the System, a system that was taken over with new factions that would want to kill the Sentients.

[ripe tinsel]

wait was it stranded?

i thought they were in tau still

[rich condor]

I just wanna show off the end of Duviri quest with the talk with Teshin. Just wanted to show it off because of a funny glitch that happened.

[ripe tinsel]

oh?

[frail nymph]

The void portal to Tau was destroyed when Hunhow and the peeps in Praghasa came.

[ripe tinsel]

you mean the relay

[frail nymph]

The Solar Rail, yes

[ripe tinsel]

that one, yes

oh no what is the drifter doing

[rich condor]

Lol

Also

In Duviri

[frail nymph]

Pazuul or someone said that the Sentients from Tau have abandoned them etc

[rich condor]

You could what could possibly be the man in the wall speaking to you

It’s in this area of Duviri with the classroom from Zaramin

[frail nymph]

They definitely cannot survive the regular space journey back to Tau on account of being barren and unable to heal without getting resources from taking over the Origin system.

[ripe tinsel]

well yes, they got an army there in the new war and now they probably dont care since this was primarily's erra's and ballas' thing

but i didnt get from that that their army was stuck on the outer edge of the system

like, before the new war

[rich condor]

Also random Man in the Wall thingy

[frail nymph]

Not stuck, just hidden. And asleep till Hunhow woke up.

And if they stayed there to avoid further War, well that would technically be called being stuck.

[ripe tinsel]

wait when is it mentioned

[rich condor]

And what I believe what she meant from this is that this is how the void/Man was made

Yes

And

[ripe tinsel]

prologues?

[rich condor]

There’s children in a cave

[ripe tinsel]

i havent seem any specific hollow eyed children yet, just the regular kind

[rich condor]

They’re saying something is watching you through your window and wanting what you have. I take this as the man in the wall

[frail nymph]

Cy mentions something in the invite message for Railjack acquisition quest.

Also like... Hunhow said he and others had been sleeping. And every known sentient in New War was in the Origin system during Old War.

[rich condor]

Though this can just be the Envy dude

Because they also sing about him

[ripe tinsel]

ah, thatd explain it
i thought it was a new force of sentient that was taken from tau

[ripe tinsel]

i think i might be getting confused due to the original teaser for the new war, which did actually take place in tau

but im not sure to what degree that is even canon now since praghasa was unceremoniously killed off off-screen

[frail nymph]

That was not in Tau either

[ripe tinsel]

was it not?

[frail nymph]

Well at least in hindsight it wasn't

[ripe tinsel]

well thats the problem

[frail nymph]

I'm fairly sure it didn't say "Tau" anywhere

People just assumed it was

[ripe tinsel]

this is not the origin system at the very least

[frail nymph]

Idk... Looks like any star system with asteroid belts

[ripe tinsel]

with massive nebulae? it looks far different from how warframe depicts the contents of the origin system

[frail nymph]

Not really

[ripe tinsel]

yes it does? it has never looked like that

[frail nymph]

Warframe's space is very colorful even though it shouldn't be

[ripe tinsel]

like, this looks more like a star with an accretion disk

[frail nymph]

The main issue with Railjack was how to make space look more interesting than it is

[ripe tinsel]

this looks nothing like the origin system

[rich condor]

Also I have a dumb theory that Dominus Thrax is just Rell but what the void/Man wanted him to be, like a ruler. I also believe that once the space jump happened, the Man was born, basically Harry Potter smuck with Voldamor. The man tried to take over the parents minds with the songs of the angels but it didn’t work so the Man went after the most vulnerable, Rell. Once we shook hands with the Man, he had enough power to be in his true form. The scene where our character dies many different ways is Duviri.

[frail nymph]

Well this is a very large scale image.

An accretion disk wouldn't be visible at all here.

[ripe tinsel]

because the origin system should not at all have an accretion disc

[frail nymph]

Nebulae are the size of thousands of stars

[ripe tinsel]

yeah its not nebulae ill give you that, but we dont have those kinds of dust clouds

[frail nymph]

Not in Warframe. Warframe's space has all kinds of weird stuff. That was the objective behind how to make Railjack look pretty.

[ripe tinsel]

ok no, the problem i have here is that it visually does not look like the origin system

like, i dont care about warframe making space more colorful in general

[frail nymph]

Based on which full-star-system wide images of the origin system?

[ripe tinsel]

im talking about it not matching with what we see in either the pre-mission entry animations, or outside the windows, or in the navigation menu

[frail nymph]

That's just old stuff.

Look at how the outside of the Zariman looks, or the Railjack missions.

[ripe tinsel]

like, pretend that you are making a trailer, and you want to have the solar system as a backdrop
to make sure that people recognize it as the solar system, you need to make sure it looks like the solar system, right

[frail nymph]

If you tried to make it look like our solar system all you would see is the Sun

[ripe tinsel]

it needs to have elements that we recognize it by, and not have elements that do not match that image or have never been associated with it

yes

we would not, in fact, see a massive swirling dustcloud

because the origin system does not have a massive swirling dustcloud

[frail nymph]

And that's what you see here, the Sun but cool.

[ripe tinsel]

no

[frail nymph]

Like how Railjack is space around the planets but cool.

[ripe tinsel]

once again, why is this visual element here that, at no point in the game, is visible in any of the depictions

because its cool?

[frail nymph]

It is visible in the game

In Railjack, during New War, around the Zariman

[ripe tinsel]

woe to me, i have to actually start up the game again

around the zariman?

[frail nymph]

There are old parts of the game that look like normal space, yes.

[ripe tinsel]

thats not the sun

im talking about the sun specifically

why does the sun suddenly have a gas cloud surrounding it

let me go in railjack and stare at the sun

[frail nymph]

The Zariman is somewhere in that part.

That's an image of the entire system.

[ripe tinsel]

its a bit to the left actually

[frail nymph]

Doesn't matter, the location of the Sentients is defined as the farthest point. The Veil proximia

So everything else would be part of the image.

[ripe tinsel]

you dont magically get to see a dust cloud surrounding the sun if there is no dust cloud surrounding the sun

[frail nymph]

The entire Solar System is the dust cloud surrounding the Sun.

[ripe tinsel]

it is not a dust cloud

[frail nymph]

The entire space is glowy and shiny. You can call it a dust cloud if you want.

[ripe tinsel]

you are reinterpreting a number of orbiting celestial bodies and asteroid belts as a dust cloud

this is not what a dust cloud looks like

[frail nymph]

No I'm talking about how Railjack skyboxes were intentionally designed

[frail nymph]

Anyway this is getting tangential... so, either way, it is now the Origin System, if anything

[ripe tinsel]

if we were to reinterpret it and if its indeed mentioned that the army was one lying dormant, it'd have to be

id still complain about the giant yellow clouds but aight

[frail nymph]

Then I guess you'd complain about all these things?

[ripe tinsel]

no, i guess i shouldnt 😔

[midnight lark]

ok, i tried the sacrifice phase "pursue umbra" again. it still keeps doing that fade out whenever i shoot umbra with the void beam. how do i beat the dang quest already???

ive tried 3 times. im following the wiki, it says to shoot beam before slinging. but how am i supposed to sling when my beam keeps glitching out?

[viscid quarry]

What just shoot at him until shields drop them transference him use gara 4 for cheese

[frail nymph]

You probably are dying from Umbra's attacks...?

[midnight lark]

i never considered the gara thing, but also, thats the problem. when i shoot with void beam, it eventually does this fade out and his shields go back up in an instant. cant do much there

also i know when i die from umbra's attacks, the fade out is not related to when im ded

it just seems to happen when i hit umbra in any way, actually. i threw a xoris at his face and it did the fade out. its really weird

i forgot to put this in players chat, sorry

i keep thinking the sacrifice is a huge spoiler so i default to here

[frail nymph]

Looks like he's blinding you maybe?

Is the fade out like what you get when you fall off the map or go inside open world water?

[supple dagger]

Btw this is a theory that I made for fun but turns out

[ripe tinsel]

oh that might very well be a blind yeah

[supple dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyxONr1SvI

[ripe tinsel]

interesting take

not sure if you noticed yet but the front of the zariman either sticks out of the void or into duviri

so at the very least they appear to be two seperate ships

[supple dagger]

There were 2 ships, iirc

A returned in the orokin age

This ones a Copy (unless I forgot a peace of lore somewhere)

[ripe tinsel]

i have no idea honestly

it might be another case of conceptual embodiment

i mean, the orokin did end up finding the zariman in the void and it only reappeared in realspace in the present time

is that correct?

[supple dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-hall-flashing-trick-space-astronaut-gif-5142598

[ripe tinsel]

luckily we dont have a weird blood chamber

[obtuse gyro]

It returned yes, but the zariman that resurfaced recently is our zariman. The orokin were said to have disposed of everything to do with the zariman but us, but they never specified how they got rid of the zariman

[supple dagger]

Just throw it in the sun

[ripe tinsel]

they didnt dispose of it hard enough because there are now two of the bloody things

think about it hard enough in the void? congrats we have another free colony ship

[supple dagger]

a ship for Tau Ceti?

would we use the Zariman 10-0 as a noah's ark type thing to escape from something?

[ripe tinsel]

i imagine we may end up using the original zariman for that given archimedian yonta's comment

[supple dagger]

which comment?

[ripe tinsel]

how she figured out how they could make the leap to tau

if we ever get to visit it, might be via that method

[supple dagger]

Yeah

ok found it

Kaleen comment are sus

[obtuse gyro]

its not really funky, its just the orokin covering it up

the entry itself implies heavily that the zariman was definitely not a military ship

[supple dagger]

This hits different now

https://youtu.be/fFNAK2sJRcE
ok so how many of you failed this?

lucky I was used to this sort of stuff

[viscid quarry]

I failed the first question lol

[supple dagger]

I am a nerd about space and time stuff

[viscid quarry]

Ah

[brittle vine]

So how did Duviri come to be if Drifter didn't take the deal? Do things just go differently in the Void itself?

[viscid quarry]

Drifter somehow manifested it

[stray lynx]

Duviri doesn't seem to be directly connected to Tenno powers.

Teshin, the Tenno an the Void Angels are all outside powers trying to break in.

[viscid quarry]

I mean the Tenno are already in the undercroft and void angels are not teshin was in to die again and void angels are well the excuse to put in void flood

[stray lynx]

And? Edit: Sorry, wasn't very clear there. I meant that none of that contradicts what I stated.

[obtuse gyro]

you dont need tenno powers to have your emotions manifest something in the void

[edgy dew]

I think Duviri is a pocket world inside the Void, Drifter never got void powers until Lotus hand. Transference and Void powers are not the same.

[brittle vine]

Lotus Hand and Eidolon powers are still an interesting segment.

I forget did they give it back to her in TNW?

[supple dagger]

Near the end of each spiral when Mathila, Lodun, and etc, turn into Orowyrms, is that because Dominus turned them into Orowyrms or are they naturally just Orowyrms?

[zenith jacinth]

The tenno aren't in the undercroft, that's the drifter

[graceful zodiac]

They can just turn into Orowyrms. Like The Holdfasts and Void Angels

[supple dagger]

So are they the only ones who can turn into Orowyrms cause they’re each one of Dominus’s Courtiers or can anyone turn into an Orowyrm?

[real niche]

We have no clue

[balmy storm]

I feel like it could have something to do with them being strongly related to the emotions of Dominus/Drifter
Emotions quite literally running wild

[burnt pond]

probably the "strong emotions can bend the Void" things that they introduced with Citrine quest

[wispy jasper]

There’s no real indication of what happens to the hand, as far as I could tell. Lotus has the relative form of both hands when she appears, but due to sentient regenerative capabilities there’s not a lot you can gather from that.

[zenith jacinth]

The hand is already on one of the armrests iirc, so drifter probably put what they had of her on the chair when they got to the orbiter

[hollow totem]

after 10 rewards are done is the extra reward pool random on circuit ?

[frail nymph]

Just realised we saw exactly how Thrax was first made

[orchid remnant]

oh hey you're right that is thrax!

ngl i thought that was a void angel hand, now i see better

[hollow totem]

basically right, drifter world has a unknown time where time is ? inside duviri which is why tenshin is old
overall what tenshin said is to repay their debt is the future where he return lotus hand

[brittle vine]

Teshin's already old though, He's was from the Old War.

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin looking old is just the void doing void things

[frail nymph]

When you first see Lotus in New War, you see Drifter looking directly at the hand.

[hollow totem]

he grown a beard and was 1st to arrived there before the hand which is why time inside duviri is ?

[brittle vine]

Beards were added in this update. Teshin was limited by DE's tech. lol

[hollow totem]

still teshin still arrived before the hand

[brittle vine]

Yeah, the time between TNW Hand and Zariman incident is vast.

But... Teshin has the Narmer Veil.

🤯 Paradox.

[fleet veldt]

Oro. Wyrm.
Spirit/soul dragon.

[hollow totem]

100% confirm stalker has a son and a daughter name nyx and ash 😂

i just wanted to shout it out

anyone know if the circuit extra rewards are random ?
just wanted to know if it is worth to farm them, if it is random then probably no

[zenith jacinth]

Gold dragon

[zenith jacinth]

Until 10 they're predetermined, after that it's just useless random stuff

[hollow totem]

ouf i want to farm the arcane but since its random then nvm

ty

[ripe tinsel]

huh, i guess he really was just created with that mechanical arm

nice detail, good find!

one thing that kinda ties into the arm being like that is the fact that he is the child king and all the children of duviri lack a right arm altogether

[balmy storm]

Okay that’s really cool actually-

[fleet veldt]

I feel the mechanical arm matter is also an unforseen nod to Soulframe.

[frail nymph]

The first time I saw the Soulframe trailer I was convinced it was Thrax's backstory... Just cause of the arm

Even the unlocked arm looks exactly like the blue skin stuff of the Duviri folk xD

[fleet veldt]

Perhaps the Tales of Duviri are an adaptation of the Soulframe universe as a book in the Warframe verse?

That said I had a few terrible ideas of how Duviri could expand:

A: islands reflecting your progress outside of Duviri that show up for you. Host of session would only have their islands shown for whole squad as to prevent issues (which would persist regardless of migrations).

These islands could include bits of tilesets and be dedicated sources of the future Decrees, as to not pollute the main decree pool(?), as well as Orokin Era weaponry like the un-Voided Aeolak.

B: Remember Denphius, King's Champion? Imagine if we had a Nemesis system specific to Duviri that gave another route for less common resources or blueprints, or something else.

[frail nymph]

Doubt it, but I'd like to see some link

[fleet veldt]

True.

[woven cypress]

So the Duviri teshin is the same one from new war?

[wispy jasper]

Yes

[coarse monolith]

Oh, so that is same Tenshin. Good to know.

[vagrant kettle]

Ye
He has the narmer veil in his cave too

[coarse monolith]

Really? I gotta look for it next time I play. Thanks.

[vagrant kettle]

You approach it during the quest
And Teshin says it is not relevant for now or sumthin

[frigid canopy]

So single weapon incarnon gens can't be installed onto the akimbo versions, correct? Meaning that the afuris gen might be a separate item?

[untold surge]

yes

it prob works similar to rivens, where prime/kuva/tenet are considered the same but akimbo variants arent

[grave quiver]

i just recived from , how exciting

[supple dagger]

Yea I got one too lol

I wonder if that’s intentional or not like it being the void that sent you that or something

[balmy storm]

I love messages from

[fleet veldt]

Placeholder || || ?

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, it's a message directly from the literal void, containing only a void

[blissful plaza]

guys im so confused, why do we let the orowyrms go when we beat them?

[zenith jacinth]

Because they're seemingly being forced to attack us, they're not intentionally doing it

[supple dagger]

And I think you get rid of/destroy the persons conciseness that was in the Orowrym so that it’s free of any control

[blissful plaza]

oh i see

[fleet veldt]

I think we beat them up, then use the hand to get them to take a nap, which has a secondary effect on Dominus Thrax, resulting in Duviri settling into an ambient mood state until you leave (which resets Duviri for your next incursion, though I bet a number of people in Duviri remember what happened yesterday).

[edgy dew]

I have questions like Teshin said, is this place and people there actually real? Or is all of this made up from the Drifter in some pocket in the brink of the void?

[fleet veldt]

Yes. Remember Eternalism? We're in a Void-space not unlike Granum's basement, except it has a filter bolted under it to sift out wild Void entities - the Undercroft.

[edgy dew]

Good point!

[fleet veldt]

To that end it's both real and imaginary as it's ||both a creation of Dominus Thrax and Drifter, but also either/neither/otherwise||.

The people in there are real enough that they - at least the Wyrms and Dominus Thrax himself - are aware of the Undercroft and greater Void as well as the Zariman (though they don't mention it).

I believe as we visit (but also don't) Duviri often, perhaps more lands could be generated for it. Perhaps even an actual sea of sorts, since there is water, clouds and so on there.

[novel terrace]

is the drifter a tenno?

[graceful zodiac]

There are now, yes

[edgy dew]

technically they were not, Tenno were the ones that came back. Thus not making him one, but now that they have void powers.... Sure? haha

[novel terrace]

was just wondering why everyone calls us tenno

[zenith jacinth]

We're the children from the zariman 10-0. Zariman Ten-o

[balmy storm]

We need a name for pre-split Operator/Drifter

How about Kiddo

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno

Alternative options:
Sparky
Stardust
Star-child
Kiddo

Cordylon II

[supple dagger]

Ayatan too

[zenith jacinth]

That makes 3 names that include star in some way

[novel terrace]

I wanna see kahl fashion-grinner

[paper bronze]

Where did Cordylon II come from? I remember cordylon and the qna purpose she served.

[median hazel]

Do you need to do everything on the zariman and Kuva fortress to get steel path

[dreamy saffron]

Yes

[balmy storm]

What is Dominus holding?
Is this supposed to be the Zariman?

[glossy sedge]

clearly it's a banana

[balmy storm]

Dominus’ favorite food 🍌

[steady gate]

Dominus is Australian; it’s a boomerang

[ripe tinsel]

a delicious potato wedge

[white condor]

ei cross save is avaiable?

[dreamy saffron]

Cross save is not available, and no release date for it has been announced

[solid raven]

Anyone else getting Rell vibes from thrax?

[ripe tinsel]

isnt rell

[solid raven]

have they even said what Tenno he is?

[ripe tinsel]

he isnt a tenno

thrax is just another void manifestation

[solid raven]

They literally said that he’s one of them in the quest I swear

[ripe tinsel]

they said something fairly vague that someone from zariman was responsible for creating duviri iirc

and later its revealed that it was you

thrax is just another part of the duviri storybook, and the doll further implies this

on top of that, during the....fear? cutscene, the void material manifesting a hand actually shows thrax's hand emerging

#spoiler-chat message

[solid raven]

oooooo

[ripe tinsel]

the only way that thrax could be rell is if void manifestations need to take their minds from outside sources, and thus that duviri's inhabitants are repurposed 10-0 colonists

but i dont believe theres much if anything pointing in that direction

[torpid lantern]

Thrax isn't Rell. In fact, one ot the stories even talks about Rell and MITW fighting while Thrax is king which makes Thrax understandably upset. It's very spooky but I won't spoil it.

[loud kayak]

You mean the stuff you get from finding the fragments or whatever?

[ripe tinsel]

oooo, gonna hunt for that one

[bright kettle]

tell me something , if the drifter can go to Dormizone. Then that means that Teshin can also go out into the Dormizone

That means Teshin can meet Operator ? And the operator can apologise for not crying when he died

[ripe tinsel]

the operator is also the drifter now though

since they are both seperate and the same character

[calm kayak]

Teshin would be so confused

Drifter teshin*

[ripe tinsel]

its the same teshin though

[calm kayak]

Same one but different time

[ripe tinsel]

not sure if he'd be confused if he's been living in weird void fae land

[bright kettle]

but the operator cant go into duviri right ?

[ripe tinsel]

mechanically not at least

[obtuse gyro]

no its the same one same time

our teshin dropped into duviri

our teshin stayed in duviri

[calm kayak]

No?

[obtuse gyro]

yes?

[bright kettle]

both

[calm kayak]

The operator teshin died

[obtuse gyro]

he landed in duviri and mathila took care of him till he recovered

[bright kettle]

the problem is the lore makes zero sense

[obtuse gyro]

nope, he survived and made it to duviri

[ripe tinsel]

he is the same teshin all the same, he has his narmer veil lying in his room

[bright kettle]

what ? where did that come from

[calm kayak]

Ohh ok

[obtuse gyro]

Scholar's Landing Fragment

[calm kayak]

That's dumb

[bright kettle]

what is this ? An item ?

[obtuse gyro]

lore fragment

[ripe tinsel]

its better than just randomly having a teshin that exists in the void for no apparent reason

[bright kettle]

Tell me this, did Ballas simp over Natah after Margulis died ? I didnt even know this until Ballas started acting like an incel in the final act of New War

[calm kayak]

He used natah I think

But only liked margulis

[bright kettle]

then where was this hate for Natah coming from ?

the anger he showed was of betrayal , specifically loving someone and being betrayed kinda hate

[graceful zodiac]

Because he made Natah into a copy of Margulis, which meant she still cared about having kids instead of just loving him

[bright kettle]

when ?

After the Jade Light ?

[graceful zodiac]

Since the Old War, after he sent Margulis to die

[obtuse gyro]

Because everytime he had a "margulis" she chose the kids over him

The real margulis did it, the fake margulis did it again

[bright kettle]

so the real marg loved tenno, marg died , tenno angry and kill orokin, ballas makes fake marg (Lotus) to calm Tenno, Ballas angry cuz Lotus did everything but refused to betray Tenno

right ?

[ripe tinsel]

wrong order of events

[calm kayak]

Damn he is one big crybaby

[ripe tinsel]

margulis did love the tenno and ended up dying, the sentient tried to use natah as an assassin to kill the tenno, natah turned lotus, the orokin were killed, lotus did not kill the tenno and instead let them sleep

[bright kettle]

??

[bright kettle]

I see

[eternal mural]

Where did this quote come from?

"The stranger had haunted eyes and a downcast mien, and spoke of the Wall and the worlds beyond. He wore his hair like looped snakes, and his voice carried an accent unlike any in Duviri."

[calm kayak]

Ballas

[ripe tinsel]

the scholar's landing fragments

[eternal mural]

Thank you

So Albrecht is alive DE what are your plans

[ripe tinsel]

he likely isnt

because that was only the second part

he is presumed to have annihilated himself

scholar's landing vanished along with him

[verbal isle]

I heard a rumor, that excalibur prime would be available again this tennocon. Is that true?

[calm kayak]

DE said no

They repeated a million times

[eternal mural]

Is there a video or post or something where I can hear all the duviri fragments?

[calm kayak]

I have the screenshot for it but idk if I can post it here

[eternal mural]

This is the spoiler chat so, but if not you can message me them

[eternal mural]

That could have been teleportation but I don't know I'll figure it out for myself

[fleet veldt]

A lie. Whoever has it in their heads that Excal P and his signature Lato and Skana Prime would return failed to understand that those three things are part of the Founder's pack which was intended to only release at Warframe's beginning in order to fund DE's ability to keep Warframe alive, and never again.

DE is legally bound not to release them again in any way - aside from sidestepping the matter like they did with Umbra after enough people got hyped over him...

Loved that the community came together to have Umbra in Sacrifice.

[real niche]

Are they legally bound? Like did they have a contract or something for it

[fleet veldt]

They clarified about it a lot of times in the Devstreams where people begged about it or it was one of the questions in there.

[obtuse gyro]

even if they arent legally bound they've repeatedly expressed that they wont be going back on their promise to the founders

[fleet veldt]

At most, people could ask for another variant of existing weapons (i.e: Lato/Kunai/Skana Umbra with stats matching up to their Prime counterparts, unless their Prisma/Vandal versions already cut it, but then Kunai has had no variants, instead being superceded by other thrown sidearm variants).

[real niche]

Or give us some weird game mode that lets us earn mastery for them like a certain something that came out wink wink nudge nudge

[cosmic star]

My god. I just had a thought. At the end of new war was that the MAN IN THE WALL?!

I just finished it the other day.

[ripe tinsel]

that could not have been more literally the man in the wall

[cosmic star]

LMAO

[ripe tinsel]

its as man in the wall as you can get

you have a wall, you have a man, he is in it

[real niche]

Yeah actually.

[cosmic star]

I know it was funny to me as I thought about it and remembered Rell

[zenith jacinth]

Not his true form though

[cosmic star]

I completely forgot about rell and stuff

I think they dismissed Rell talking about that though. So guess it is a thing.

[real niche]

Wally doesn't have a "true" form

[cosmic star]

Void related I'm guessing

Uh oh better leave chat before I read stuff that I shouldn't know yet hehe

Gonna be starting angels of zarinan soon 🙂

[zenith jacinth]

Not as far as we know

[cosmic star]

Does angels or veilbreaker answer who the heck thrax is?

[zenith jacinth]

There isn't much more new lore after tnw

[zenith jacinth]

The duviri paradox quest answers that

[cosmic star]

....I did duiviri

.....

Is it me? Am I thrax?

[cyan crest]

Kind of

[cosmic star]

That's kinda what I thought.

[cyan crest]

Thrax is a manifestation born from the drifter

[real niche]

Then you should know.
Drifter accidentally snorted Void too hard and created the entire thing from fairy tales they read.

[cosmic star]

Ah okay that's KINDA what I thought but wasn't sure.

Figured he was keeping himself there so the void wouldn't destroy him since he was stuck on zariman

Then the tenno saved him cause they needed help or something

[frail nymph]

That might be Albrecht...? But to be sure, who else could it be?

[zenith jacinth]

It's why you get the "tales of duviri" decoration after completing the quest

[cosmic star]

Ahhhh didn't realize that.

[obtuse gyro]

It is, the rest of the fragment has him rebuild his lab and stuff

[cosmic star]

Is...is that actually teshin ?

[cyan crest]

Yeah, his head is even cracked

[cosmic star]

Or did he read about the legendary teshin?

[obtuse gyro]

Its not a wally clone since this one is expresso depresso and is looking for repentance

[cyan crest]

You can see the veil and narmer flag from TNW

[zenith jacinth]

Actually, where did he get the flag from

[cyan crest]

Ballas probably had it lying around somewhere

[zenith jacinth]

Those weren't a thing yet when he got unalived

[frail nymph]

More like you developed split personalities from all the trauma, personalities based on the book, and then the Void yoinked them out of your brain and made a world out of it.

Zariman's setting of being built for Terraforming - might have helped fill the gaps in what the book fails to describe. Which is why the lost islands of Duviri have weird things that for sure wouldn't be in a children's book like Tales of Duviri.

[cyan crest]

I mean, i doubt he waited until his conquest to design the narmer flags

Gotta have them prepaired

[cosmic star]

So teshin was actually there to help save him? To save the tenno?

Also my god I need levels for the Warframe mission that resemble the begining TNW. that stuff was so insanely epic.

[frail nymph]

He just ended up there after New War and the happy character healed him. Not sure if he fully died.

[frail nymph]

Veilbreaker is basically the same but less "everything is falling apart"

[cosmic star]

Cool thanks for clearing some stuff up. Duiviri was super cool.

Yeah but I want multiplayer levels with war everywhere

Those levels felt insanely epic

[frail nymph]

That is actually on the chopping block now that Duviri is finally out

[cosmic star]

@frail nymph ?????

Woah really? They're gonna have like epic war levels?

[frail nymph]

Not as cinematic and chaotic as New War but the setting will be "fights that could have been during the New War"

[cosmic star]

WHAT REALLY where can I read more about that. That's exactly what I want.

[frail nymph]

We know next to nothing. They just said that basically the New War quest was changed to focus on the story mostly, because it was already so late with Covid and everything.

Original New War was gonna be a sequence of gameplay events leading up to a short version of the New War quest.

But since they separated the two, some gameplay elements got postponed.

[obtuse gyro]

Oh did they say that during the dev stream?

[frail nymph]

No no, I'm just rephrasing some very old stuff I saw in an interview about how they separated the story and big Warframe gameplay stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Ah, well they definitely have the time for that after echos of duviri

[frail nymph]

The interview was before New War release I think

[obtuse gyro]

They've cleared their tennocon 2019 slate

[frail nymph]

I hope I'm not getting Mandela effect-ed here though

[frail nymph]

One example is the third Orb Mother fight

And secondly, if it's not scrapped yet, something related to that big thing in Alad V's lab that you see during Nira hunt.

[obtuse gyro]

oh its not!

[frail nymph]

Oh we have info on that...?

[obtuse gyro]

in the AMA, they told us that they left something narmery in the orb vallis when asked about more orb/eidolon type fights

which obviously is the 3rd orb

[frail nymph]

Yes I know I'm talking about the other thing not being scrapped

The thing in Alad V's lab

[cosmic star]

Oooo exciting thanks for getting me hyped

Didn't think we'd get more content before tennocon or w.e

[obtuse gyro]

Oh that weird sentient, I thought it was a weirdly arrange rolypoly?

[obtuse gyro]

we're getting echos of duviri

[cosmic star]

Well what is THAT. Great more things to read about lol

[frail nymph]

"Echoes" updates are basically "big technical bug fixes" and "balance/mechanics changes based on post-release data," along with a little bit of extra content usually in the form of more stuff to farm.

This time, though, Echoes update might contain the New Warframe and a new island in Duviri.

[obtuse gyro]

and iirc they're adding true free roam with the calm spiral

or at the very least they said theyre equipped/poised to put that in

[frail nymph]

That's not 100% confirmed but yes if they decide to do so I'd say it'll come before the warframe

[obtuse gyro]

not 100% yea, but from the sounds of it they don't have to work hard at it since most of the tech for it exists

i.e the base calm spiral and the side quest mechanisms

[frail nymph]

Or for the meme, just the open world and you go there to do nothing but explore

[unkempt crag]

@round pawn

[round pawn]

yo

[unkempt crag]

so tp to the harbour

then open that security cave

there is a statue to the right as you look at the console

interact with it to make it face the cage

then there are 2 more statues, next to the other 2 security caves

do the same

then go back to the first cave, and go into it, and down to the back, use the console thats now lit up

it will lower the cage, and then just fly over to it to do that puzzle

[round pawn]

ah ok, ty

[unkempt crag]

you dont need to unlock the other 2 caves

[round pawn]

much appreciated

[unkempt crag]

just the first one at the enterance

but there can be chests in the others

remember it saves AFTER gaining a decree, so tcan get a decree after completing it to leave with loot

np

[midnight lark]

hey guys, update: i beat the sacrifice

it still did the weird fade out thing, but i managed to nab an amp, which did much more damage to umbra

i guess i wasnt doing enough damage? whatever it was, im just glad its over

[burnt spindle]

Nice job dude it is a hard quest

[violet quiver]

For the actual puzzle Dawn, once you have the first 4 symbols that are uncovered, cycle through the other pieces for the symbol that's different from the other 3. If any 2 nodes have the same symbol, that symbol is not one of them

[round pawn]

srry i didnt see this, i ended up figuring out, didnt know the 2 nodes having the same disqualifies them though, ty

[frigid canopy]

I really wish there was a way to go back on ur incarnon choice lol. I didn't know I had strun prime parts, so I didn't pick it. Now I feel dumb😂

[ruby eagle]

5 weeks later it will come back, don't worry

[frail nymph]

Umm...
If Thrax resetting the spiral couldn't stop Teshin from getting old... Why did it stop him from staying dead?

Does it have to do with the fact that he died outside of Teshin's cave? But then where exactly would he end up, if the spiral resetting brought him back to life? In a place from where he would go back to the cave?

Or is Drifter just more powerful than Thrax/Thrax didn't know where the cave was so it didn't affect anything there?

[unborn glade]

Ok now find ballas and cut off his BALL(a)S

[frail nymph]

Chimera prologue lore be like

[unborn glade]

Yes

Wait would the spiral scene from the duviri paradox hypnotise someone. It may be low but not impossible

[frail nymph]

That's not how hypnosis really works

[unborn glade]

But. Warframe is 18+? Why can't I say I am a dumb a double s

[ripe tinsel]

coz youre not allowed to swear at people

[next phoenix]

Swearing is bad, yo

We may have cursing because of Drifter and his friends but that's different

They're part of Eternalism that allows swearing

[onyx blaze]

Will the Stalker only be playable in Duviri?

[frail nymph]

There's a huge difference between edgy adult content made as part of the curated content of the game/things said by employees who are subject to HR versus letting every single player go haywire unmoderated as much as they want. Not only can it crowd the community, it can also get dangerously out of hand into becoming a toxic circle.

[unborn glade]

To to myself counts?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[ripe tinsel]

yes! you need to be more positive to yourself

[unborn glade]

So I gotta lie to myself.
Ok 👍

[ripe tinsel]

noooo 😦

[whole blaze]

Nope, wait until tennocon

[cyan crest]

Stalker is literally playable

[unborn glade]

How did the zariman go from the origin system to a different paradox made from a person from the zariman back to the origin system
Also shouldn't it like need power to travel so. Who's supplying the power if everyone in the zariman is such a coward and can't use the weapons MADE BY THEM

[velvet wing]

Did I miss something in a dev stream cause I don’t remember them saying they were expanding stalker beyond Duviri

[unborn glade]

They MAY say something about it next Dev stream

[velvet wing]

I mean I watch all the dev streams and take notes for my clan mates who can’t watch and I don’t remember hearing anything about a possible expansion of stalker gameplay

It’s possible I missed something which is why I asked if they said anything about it in a previous dev stream

[obtuse gyro]

I need to look at the fragments later, but dont some of them refer to spirals as if they were a unit of time?

Given that dominus doesnt need to reset to change spirals (as shown in the final bit where dominus cycles through the spirals) Im guessing that until drifter started being a goon and trying to escape there was no need for dominus to reset anything

[cyan crest]

Drifter also got old while dying all the time

[frail nymph]

Then why are the characters not speculating upon why Drifter got old...?

The killings only started when Drifter wanted to leave... Maybe they wanted to leave after they grew up

[frail nymph]

Right so it's not the spirals that are keeping the characters young?

[obtuse gyro]

Dont think so, they might just be like that

Its weird because theres adults and children but we obviously arent given a case of someone growing up

[obtuse gyro]

Perhaps because the entry talking about teshin was talking about strangers to duviri, but drifter aint a stranger to these things

[frail nymph]

So anyway, did Teshin arrive before Drifter started being killed?

[obtuse gyro]

They never really say, we do know that albretch arrived before the events of CoH tho

[frail nymph]

CoH?

[obtuse gyro]

Chains of Harrow

[frail nymph]

Is there a place where I can read about the islands of Duviri?

[frail nymph]

Are you referring to the Watcher's island?

[obtuse gyro]

Gotta find them fragments until the wiki updates

[obtuse gyro]

Yeap

[frail nymph]

No time

It's so weird that there's tons of guides on youtube to find the fragments but I didn't find anything that showed the results

[obtuse gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2968522746

Heres another one to find fragments

[nimble bridge]

Is there supposed to be a reward for finding all of the Duviri codex fragments? After I got them all I got an empty inbox message when I returned to the dormizone:

[wispy jasper]

Everybody is getting that. I kind of think there was supposed to be a message triggered that didn’t actually get output in the final build, but guess we’ll see if the next couple round of fixes mentions it

[lament axle]

someone sent you a argon crystal, but it took too long to arrive

[zenith jacinth]

The sender was also an argon crystal

And the rest of the message was too

[supple dagger]

https://youtu.be/HXyb-r6eqaEv here’s a video(by me) that showcases all the entries for the islands incase you haven’t seen them yet

But if you want to find the fragments and read the codex entries yourself then that’s fine

[green arrow]

reddit AMA

[lament axle]

Teshin just hummed Smiles from Juran when i chose Umbra
I'm not crying, you're crying

[supple dagger]

That’s a neat detail

[hollow totem]

what if DE gave us the option to choose at the end of divuri
will you give back his throne rewind time or take his place ?

i am guessing people will choose to take his place leaving tenshin to die because we do not know how much time can he rewind 😛

[fleet veldt]

We can always go back and borrow the throne again; Thrax would understand if we gave a thorough explanation beforehand since ||we technically 'created' him to hold the throne for the safety of Duviri||.

[velvet wing]

Yeah I got bored scrolling through the ama lol

[green arrow]

search bar

[supple dagger]

I’m just hyped to hopefully hear more about Wally down the line since it looks like we’re out of the Lotus/sentient arc and are now heading into the void arc

[burnt pond]

After collecting all the fragments I'm crying at the thought of Wally's body parts casually erupting from Duviri and poor Thrax erasing entire islands from existence saying nope nope NOPE hoping it will help stopping the awakening of an eldritch god lmao

[torpid lantern]

I'm more creeped out finally knowing where kuva comes from.

[supple dagger]

Lol the part that actually kinda hit me in the feels was Thrax creating and visiting the “graves” that were in the Doll Mausoleum

It’s sad that he honored all the kids who died on the Zariman

[torpid lantern]

Hey did!? I haven't gotten there yet

[supple dagger]

I don’t think that’s exactly where Kuva comes from cause we know from the Albrecht logs that the Orokin already achieved immortality before they ever decided to colonize other planets

[burnt pond]

Me too! Thrax is a tirant indeed but like many other villain character in warframe he also as some moments where one could only want to hug him poor broken thing

[supple dagger]

In my mind the kuva coming from the ground was a result of what we did in the war within at the end

Cause maybe it’s like Wallys showing the people in Duviri that he’s found/discovered this stuff called kuva and gets a good laugh at it while he’s at it

[torpid lantern]

Kuva has always been described as blood of the ancients. But we never knew whose blood. With that context and MITW first interacting with the Tenno when they had kuva in their possession, I wouldn't be surprised

[supple dagger]

And plus the “raining of the chains” that was happening during the void storm sounds like us breaking Harrow free

Or something like that

[torpid lantern]

Thrax isn't exactly a tyrant. He's a child. Children as kings rarely ever go well

[torpid lantern]

To me it sounded like when Rell first bound MITW. The story mentions a red veil descending across the sky which is pretty on the nose for us as readers.

[supple dagger]

It also talks about a red veil that was in the sky during that void storm soo

[supple dagger]

Well Wallys hand appearing out of the void sounds like he finally is free now cause Rell is no longer holding him back

[torpid lantern]

Oh sorry, I reread

I was mixing up some of them. Yep it sounds like when Rell was defeated

The story says "broken chains"

[supple dagger]

Albrecht also landed in Duviri, as mentioned by Acrithis when she spoke about the other person who came wayyyy before Teshin and the bleeding earth thing. So in my mind the order is: Albrecht lands in Duviri for “repentance”, the first finger appears in the Galleria, Rell seals him away, rain of chains happens and Wally appears again but with only 3 fingers and a thumb since he lost them during his encounter with Albrecht, the hollowed children appear, and then bleeding earth happens with all the kuva

Both finger parts could also just be happening at the same time instead. So maybe after Rell couldn’t hold him back anymore the 3 fingers and the thumb appeared and then came the 1 finger cause Wally maybe healed them overtime based off of what we saw during the end of TNW

[stray lynx]

I mean, the other thing about Wally is he doesn't experience time in a linear fashion. So if he lost his fingers at different points, he could have any number of fingers at any particular point in time when you meet him.

[tiny depot]

i wonder when protea prime will come out

[velvet wing]

In like a year

[supple dagger]

True. Albrecht is the catalyst tho for everything that’s involved with Wally because Sythel mentions that Albrechts worst fears took shape when he first entered the void, unless we learn that Wally existed even before Albrecht ever encountered him in void

[balmy storm]

How do you get this down? Shooting isnt working

Nvm, looks like it’s bugged

[agile oasis]

Hi, I have a question, is that normal that Kaithe Summon can't be used by drifter but only by warframe on the solar system open worlds ?

[wispy jasper]

Yeah. Only warframes can use vehicles

Drifter in duviri is coded differently

[merry jungle]

Do you think we found enough Temm's for the kid?

Basically Temmo-con in here

his quest broke and said we kept leaving the objective but it was still spawning temms

[stray lynx]

Temms are the most powerful force in the universe. They can shrug off blows that would tear Dax apart.

[edgy sierra]

duviri is coded different

which is how drifter can have 2 melees at once

[brittle vine]

Drifter can have 2 melees?

[edgy sierra]

normal plus orvius

[brittle vine]

Oh yeah.

[weary wigeon]

the reward for arch harbor enigma puzzle changes when i leave duviri after first stage of mission right ?

[wispy jasper]

Yeah you can keep repeating it

[weary wigeon]

ok thanks got no bp 4 times in a row so got me worried

[languid torrent]

Technically Orvius just replaces Sirocco as your 'ranged' weapon for the Orowyrm fights.

[rapid wraith]

Has anyone gotten the cinta bow

[twilit geode]

I've got enough parts to make like 3 or 4 of them, but not a single main blueprint

[rapid wraith]

I have a extra cinta blueprint the only thing I’m missing for it is the string

[twilit geode]

If they could both be traded, I'd gladly do so

[rapid wraith]

On my end when I tried to trade invite or join for some reason It always makes me or the other player leave the squad

[twilit geode]

Well I'm willing to give it a shot if you are.

[rapid wraith]

Sure and the cinta blueprint can’t be traded only the parts

[twilit geode]

...Of course it can't.

[rapid wraith]

Which bites though and have you gotten the cool owl decoration

[twilit geode]

I've done enough of them to almost buy 2 owls. No main blueprint

[rapid wraith]

That stinks

Fudge I play on PlayStation 4

[brittle vine]

So what if the actual weird looking Orokin never existed before but were Duviri style manifestations and it was just regular humans the whole time before?

Tenno and all the people on Zariman were very human and the weirdos with long arms are only seen in statues and after the incident.

We don't even see Entrati's as they were before. So 🤷‍♂️

[obtuse gyro]

well no, we have surviving orokin from before the accident

such as euluria, who we know as mother

and ballas

[brittle vine]

Do we see them?

[obtuse gyro]

ballas? we see him alot and mother is an npc on deimos

[brittle vine]

She lost her memory though, she might've not looked like that when she was an educator.

[obtuse gyro]

oh wait I cant believe I forgot, the biggest reason why we can tell this idea is just not it is because we have a lil code thingamabob from before the zariman's launch showing of the blueskin physiology

[brittle vine]

Duviri shows the idea of normie Orokins with the villagers... who exactly was the class of people that Zariman peeps were? They were more human in physiology. I thought it was simply lower class, don't get to be blue and long armed.

Were Zariman crew (Holdfast and adults) and Tenno considered Orokin?

[obtuse gyro]

Orokin empire not orokin blueskin

[brittle vine]

Hm oh ok.

[graceful zodiac]

The people in Duviri are based on a story book, not any real examples

[brittle vine]

Fair.

[cyan crest]

The Tuvul messages...

[wicked iron]

Saw something a bit ago about Albrecht in Duviri, but that can't be the case, can it? The Requiems say he landed in a copy of his very lab, and that beyond a short bit of the lab there was nothing but dark stars and white colored space.

[obtuse gyro]

it is, but its an older albretch

this is albretch coming for repentance to fight against wally

him landing in duviri takes place long after the lab accident

[wild wind]

Also, time doesn't exist in the void, effect can come before cause.

[wicked iron]

I see, I see. Hmmm... So he may still be about somewhere... Unless I missed the ending of his tale from the conversations in Duviri lol

[obtuse gyro]

he disappeared with his lab that he built in duviri

[wicked iron]

Not so much about time, but I thought he never made another trip to the Void. Clearly some conversations in Duviri I have not heard yet.

[wicked iron]

WE GON' FIND GRANDPAPA!

Maybe. Some day.

[obtuse gyro]

which segues perfectly for him to return to help us beat up wally

[cyan crest]

if he is not wally

[supple dagger]

Plot twist: Wally just disguised himself as Albrecht cause why not

[obtuse gyro]

doubt, this one was depresso expresso

[cyan crest]

I'm just saying him causing everything on a loop would be a bit too perfect
He's the grandfather and on a massive grandfather paradox
It'd be cool

[supple dagger]

I hope that clock behind Loid will one day make sense/maybe become important later on

[prime lantern]

Effect coming before cause seems rather tripping

[wild wind]

I wonder if that's what Reb 'n' folks meant by parts of the world coming back in future updates

[wild wind]

Makes more sense if you consider that experienced time is personal. Event A happens before B for one person, but B can happen before A for another, in the void. That's the core of the Duviri Paradox.

[ripe tinsel]

the one paradox that i sincerely hope happens is that it turns out the book on which duviri is based was, in fact, intended as a sort of exploration log of duviri when it was visited by someone

[viscid quarry]

Wait I thought hunhow was space grandpa

[cyan crest]

Albrecht is Grandpa entrati tho

[ripe tinsel]

i hope one day hunhow and natah get to have a chat

[viscid quarry]

What by us being introduced into the entrati family by rank 5 (also netting us the name ayatan iirc)

[ripe tinsel]

adopted!

[cyan crest]

He is Grandpa Entrati anyway, he is mother's father

[viscid quarry]

So we have grandpa entrati via means of adoption while we also have space racist grandpa hunhow uncle teshin and mother plus space mom lotus (ahhhhhhhhhh damn it why can’t it be more simple lol)

[cyan crest]

It's quite simple tho...

[viscid quarry]

The sentient part of the family is then there the entrati part which is I guess similar but the problem is what’s the name of the biological mother and father oh right and twice dead uncle teshin

[cyan crest]

The character is basically an avatar, their parents don't need names

[viscid quarry]

Fair

Still so for family on the sentient side there space mom lotus space uncle erra space racist grandpa hunhow and space dead corpse grandma phargasa and for the entrati side there’s grandpa entrati mother, father, sister, and brother with twice dead uncle teshin existing

[dry cove]

Is the shrine pieces decree bugged? I can't seem to get the fourth piece.

[frail nymph]

Nothing like Duviri actually existed, in terms of societal stuff.
It's just a children's book.

[brittle vine]

I mean, it came into existence from the Void stuff and incident of Drifter stuck there. I was wondering if some of the Orokin stuff from it bled out to the Origin System after that.

[frail nymph]

Why would Duviri have any Orokin-aesthetic stuff in it that didn't originate from the Origin System?

[brittle vine]

Children's book creativity.

Time Cube is canon in Warframe too, right?

[frail nymph]

Define Time Cube

[frail nymph]

A book that originated from the Origin System anyway...

[brittle vine]

It's like time goes in a cycle with corners or something. It's weirdo. LOL

[ripe tinsel]

its some really, really funny pseudoscience

made by someone who was probably schizophrenic or something adjacent

i would not actually be surprised if DE added that, given that they also added orgone

down the rabbit hole has an episode on it if youre at all interested

[torpid lantern]

Did you just call the main character an avatar!? The audacity of this cube.

I'd very much like to know the parent's names. We have a picture of them. They deserve names. Call them Mara's parents if you need to.

[cyan crest]

But they are tho... they're customizable and so are a lot of their choices and even dialogue and some of their past in TSD
They are an avatar, even if DE works with their own one called Mara

Mara's parents might have a name

but they're not my tenno's

I mean DE aren't even consistent with their tenno
Unless their suspiciously similar to Hayden Tenno drifter is trans... hey new headcanon acquired

[torpid lantern]

I should copy paste this for the number of times I explain this

[torpid lantern]

Wait a second. Went to copy paste and saw it was literally you that I said this to last time

[cyan crest]

:p

[torpid lantern]

I'm gonna save this screenshot for later so I can make a chain

[cyan crest]

And I get that
I just, personally, don't exactly do canon
It's weird to explain...? In any case, even if Mara is canon, the one we play as is very much an avatar
Even their mother's hair colour changes depending on yours

[torpid lantern]

Drifter/Adult Mara btw is shown in the NW trailer a d yes it's definitely hard to tell she's an adult instead of an older teen. They really relied on those beards

[cyan crest]

Oh that wasn't supposed to be Margulis or their mother?

[torpid lantern]

What

[cyan crest]

The adult with Mara in the TNW trailer

[torpid lantern]

That's Margulis

[cyan crest]

wait wrong TNW trailer

[torpid lantern]

No that's the correct trailer

[cyan crest]

I'm barely awake

[torpid lantern]

I'll go get pic

Adult Mara

[cyan crest]

Oh that's adult her?

damn

[torpid lantern]

child mara

[orchid remnant]

is she wearing the drifter zariman suit? I can't tell: it doesn't have the circle that the operator zariman does

[torpid lantern]

Yep and that's why they used a male for Duviri cuz no one could tell Mara was an adult

[cyan crest]

makes sense ig

In my headcanon Mara fits best as Voruna's operator from the leverian
Only way i can see her being awake before, well, awakening and tsd
And yeah I personally only work in headcanons, it's more fun (for me) ;)
In any case, i think not having their parents' names is better
If DE wants to say Mara's canon parents' names? Neat, but i think it'd be better if they didn't do it in game

[torpid lantern]

I don't think you'll have to worry too much on that since that arc seems to be over. If we were gonna learn anything, it would've been during AoZ

[cyan crest]

Fair enough, tho I think we mighy be returning to the Z in the future

[orchid remnant]

i want to see more NPC tenno like on the zariman! I want to see my best buddies mathon and jenva!!!

[cyan crest]

We still have a wall to un-man
Or a man to un-wall?

[orchid remnant]

we have a wall to man.

[ripe tinsel]

it seems we'd have a second zariman to explore

like, the one in duviri seems to be different, either chronologically or altogether

[cyan crest]

Also this

[cyan crest]

We have to take the man out of the wall, but can you take the wall out of the man?

[ripe tinsel]

i regret to inform you that mathon and jenva died in the years following their extraction from the zariman to falling rocks and peanut allergy

[orchid remnant]

yeah but eternalism so it's a-ok!

[cyan crest]

At the same time?! Shouldn't have taken that job at the peanut mine

[torpid lantern]

So do I! But in the Ama, Rebecca made it sound like that wasn't in any plans they've made so far for the future

[ripe tinsel]

the peanuts were also eternalism they died in every single timeline

[orchid remnant]

what!!! the peanuts in the wall

[orchid remnant]

i will change their plans

[cyan crest]

[torpid lantern]

I'm sure we all can if we ask enough. Like Drifter getting beards!

Maybe DE doesn't know that people WANT to meet Tenno NPCs

[cyan crest]

They really really really should check these channels more often :(

Apart from the couple of times Rebb has come to watch the chaos

[orchid remnant]

i think they do know: i just think maybe they are not particularly interested in it for some reason that may become clear...

like we always. Say: Eternlaism

[torpid lantern]

Ewww don't say that

That word is like a curse

[cyan crest]

Tbf it's only because people don't understand it

[torpid lantern]

Tbf it's also cuz DE will often say it to answer questions instead of giving the true juicy details. Like our Zariman questions

[cyan crest]

fair

[torpid lantern]

I've never feared a word so much before

Except maybe... Komi

[cyan crest]

Oh no not Komi

I think Eternalism is fine to explain stuff like drifter, or different player characters (in the Anti-Mara hill i will die), but not as an excuse to everything

[ripe axle]

it's gonna be the excuse for the next few things at least

[cyan crest]

i wish they explored the time travel angle more than the multiverse one ngl
All time existing and being accessible is the point of eternalism

Again, DE, you have a perfect character to make a grandfather paradox with

[orchid remnant]

but i liked the spider-verse so i like eternalism!

[cyan crest]

[ripe tinsel]

using it as an excuse to make anything and everything happen is really poor writing practice

[nimble harness]

Why did DE make all the default Mod configs not include any elemental damage whatsoever?

[real niche]

They can include elemental damage but sometimes they just don't

[viscid quarry]

I mean this is a fun channel so why ruin it with people observing it more (unless you mean spectating this chaos)

[real niche]

Thankfully, they don't but a lot of people just think that it does for some reason.

[steady gate]

They include elemental damage ONLY if it’s already on the weapon

[real niche]

I could've sworn they could roll elements in the later slots.

Ew what the hell!

[steady gate]

I’ve done a lot of Duviri, and I’ve never seen elemental mods on weapons that didn’t already-yeah

Random modding has no problem sticking slash mods on weapons without slash though

[real niche]

Mmm good game design

[steady gate]

It’ll use galvanized mods but rarely, if ever, add corrupted mods

[frail nymph]

That's not what that image is supposed to represent so no, time cube is not canon in Warframe

[timid ermine]

Sooo we are thrax huh....still don't understand how operator helped drifter by making the undercroft..

[frail nymph]

Operator didn't make the undercroft

And we aren't thrax, more like Thrax is a manifestation created by copying a part of Drifter's mind into a real thing.

[frail nymph]

Operator just helps by providing the Doll parts to Drifter, so that Drifter can remember that they are the one who made the world.
The Drifter had previously suppressed their emotions kinda like trauma, and that's why they were depressed and feeling stuck - couldn't feel anything.
Each piece unlocks a part of the mind, allowing Drifter to feel anger, happiness, sadness, envy, etc again one by one.

[atomic lantern]

Are the next weeks of incarnons known?

[steady gate]

Yes, they were in the Duviri release patchnotes

[atomic lantern]

Ty